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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 13:22:36 -0300 (ADT)
From: "S.Blackman" <s.blackman@cranfield.ac.uk>
Subject: Origami Calendar

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Pat Slider wrote:

>Thinking of Christmas cards made me wonder if anyone had ever done an
>origami calendar? Maybe a nice photo with diagrams per month.

In 1995 the Japanese trading company, Mitsui and Co. Ltd. did an Origami
calendar for their business contacts. The production and instructions are
credited to Akira Yoshizawa. The cover sheet provided instructions for
models. Pages for two months showed a scene featuring a particular model.

The models were:

Jan/Feb - Flying Crane
Mar/Apr - Cock
May/June - Rabbit
July/Aug - Swan
Sept/Oct - Dove
Nov/Dec - Peacock

A pack of origami paper was included with the calendar and there is an
introduction to origami on the cover.

The intro states:

"...Origami is the creating of formative beauty only by the folding of the
face and line of paper and using the most of the colour and characteristics
of paper, without painting or cutting; the simple action of folding a sheet
of flat paper leads to the creation of varied figures. Employing curved
lines and faces, you can freely express natural objects or images
realistically, concretely or abstractly by origami, which is based on
straight line designs........The completed work is marked by the sense and
touch of the person who folded it. Origami will lead you to the joy of
creating beautiful figures with the paper that you can find anywhere."

Regards

Stephen Blackman
Cranfield University, UK
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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 18:37:49 -0300 (ADT)
From: Marcia Mau <marcia.mau@pressroom.com>
Subject: calendars

The British Origami Society issued one or two origami calendars many years
ago. I think I remember reading about strawberries in May for Wimbledon but
I don't remember what the other models were or which issues of the British
Origami magazine featured the calendar(s).

Elsje van der Ploeg created an origami birthday/anniversary calendar around
1994.  There is one sheet for each month with a line to write in names for
each day of the month, grouped by seasons. The calendar is used for more
than one year. I have a copy of the calendar.  I'm not sure if it was ever
sold commercially in The Netherlands where birthday calendars are hung in
the bathroom.
Marcia Mau
marcia.mau@pressroom.com





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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 20:27:27 -0300 (ADT)
From: halgall@netverk.com.ar
Subject: origami for therapy

Hello,

I expect power to contribute in this important subject.

I believe that the origami,  is an excellent method in therapy,  to relax
physical
and mentally to a person.  Do not we speak of ages,  but yes of symptoms of
stress,  nervousism, problems with the sleep,  problems of learning,
concentration,
motiveity, etc.
Today,  any society is exposed to any of these problems,  in many cases,
are not
visible, but we are surrounded of fear that can carry to contract these
problems.
Nobody is far bing reached by some of them. How many of us,  afterwards of
hours
of work,  dedicate us with pleasure to the origami? I believe that all in
this list.
Without doubt,  we must part the need of every person,  of the type of
problem,  and
of the physical and mental condition,  to arrive to obtain a good result.
IMHO the psychology,  to advanced too,  and if to it you contribute with the
teaching
of the origami as therapy alternative,  we are achieving a good group of
elements to
work about every person.

The group of individual conducts,  does to an only personality in every
case,  and
inside that group of conducts is the symptom of the stress,  in the majority
of the
cases.
The creased must be had contemplate  for every case in particular. Not must
generalize. Creased that can offer therapy,  must be in many cases,  with an
utilitarian end,  where most over there of the theme,  proportion a relax,
a mental
relief,  a relax such that the person in question could profit,  and keep it
totally
occupied and removed of the problem. Not must forget neither,  that the
learning
lasts a minimum of time,  and that the person to help will return to the
world upon
finalizing that moment.
Therefore,  I believe that must accompany to the teaching of the origami,
with an
appropriate music,  smooth,  and to the time insentive the pratice in the
house. Thus,
the person will have over a resource for the relax,  therefore inside of the
proper
medium,  in the which can be felt most comfortable,  without hours that
limit it,  could
count on the proper therapy,  that will carry it to have less moments to
think in the
problems.

The directive of the that will teach origami,  not must be rigid,  do not we
forget that
is lowered a system of rigidity,  to give pass to the creativity can help,
to elect a
subject inside of creased where each one contribute with something, this
helpes to
the work in group,  but every person is a" to be individual" and for each
one of them
the problem is "only one", no " similar to the others".

I believe in a first individual teaching, to know their pleasure,  emotions,
feelings,
and later a groupal teaching,  where the work in equipment can be favorable.
Creased initially not must be of much complexity,  must be that near it to
an actual
world,  in this I can include from animals ( to form a zoo ),  houses ( for
a city ), boxes
of diverse form,  flowers,  etc, and all what nears it to the nature,  to
the proper to be
interior,  to himself.
We must have to think to the age,  for the therapy in children is different
to of the
 adults, the childrens have the power of the imagination,  the power to
believe the
stories. The adult has other things in the mind,  also most problems.

Thank you for reading this. Sorry for my english, please.

Patricia Gallo
La Plata-Argentina
halgall@netverk.com.ar





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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 20:59:07 -0300 (ADT)
From: Richard of Foong <ryf@ecr.mu.oz.au>
Subject: The Kawasaki Rose... A question.

Hi All.

        Can anyone tell me it it is possible to fold this model without
making all those initial creases. Is it alot harder, or easier? I'm too
lazy to do it at the moment, but i'll get round to it.

        I must say, its a really good model to build during boring
lectures. Fun to give away as well. People love that kinda thing. :)

Richard Foong.





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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 21:25:24 -0300 (ADT)
From: "ANITA L. HAWKINS" <ahawkins@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu>
Subject: Re: Counciling/ relaxation therapy..ideas?

On Tue, 24 Sep 1996, Paul Slater wrote:
>
> I have been approached by my university's counciling office to teach
> some origami models to clients who wish to use a relaxation room.

What a wonderful idea! I wish we all had such a place available, someplace
more conducive to quiet folding than perching on the front lobby chairs...

My favorite fold for distraction and relaxation is Montroll's 3-D star,
the one that looks like the "innards" of a cube (the intersecting X,Y, and
Z planes, I guess) until you kite fold the points. There are a lot of
creases involved, but no petal folds. They repeat in a rythmic way around
the evolving star, which for me makes it involving without being too
frustrating. I memorized the fold without really meaning to, just by
folding a few for Christmas decorations. The finished product is a
stunner, and sturdy enough to volley around a room :)

It would be a hard fold for a beginner to follow from the diagrams,
though, without someone to show the way, so I don't know if it would fit
your needs or not...

BTW, the diagrams are in Animal Origami for the Enthusiast (John, just
what sort of an animal is this supposed to be? Maybe a sea urchin :)? )

Anita
Havre de Grace, Maryland





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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 02:12:40 -0300 (ADT)
From: Laurie Bisman <lbisman@sirranet.co.nz>
Subject: RE: calendars

...I don't remember what the other models were or which issues of the British
Origami magazine featured the calendar(s).

I seem to remember Foxes 'n Hounds and also Rowers in boats - but they may have
     come from the origami postcards from BOS.

Laurie Bisman
lbisman@sirranet.co.nz





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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 02:38:53 -0300 (ADT)
From: Gretchen Klotz <gren@agora.rdrop.com>
Subject: Re: Counciling/ relaxation therapy..ideas?

On Wed, 25 Sep 1996, ANITA L. HAWKINS wrote:

> There are a lot of
> creases involved, but no petal folds. They repeat in a rythmic way around
> the evolving star, which for me makes it involving without being too
> frustrating.

This reminds me of the story someone (sorry, forget who!) posted awhile
back about how Michael Shall became engaged with origami:  It was the
rhythm of folding Rae Cooker's strawberry that took him from a somewhat
interested occasional participant to a completely enthusiastic constant
spokesperson for origami.

I think the strawberry would be an excellent model to teach under these
circumstances, as would the simple ornaments we talked about in another
distant thread, about what to teach at a fair.  The two I remember most
were Robert Neale's Magic Star and Molly Kahn's Fluted Diamond.  They are
modular and fairly simple to fold and then assemble.  Both appear in Gay
Merrill Gross's _The Art of Origami_, and Neale's also appears in his and
Tom Hull's _Origami, Plain and Simple_.  Keep a needle and thread handy,
and everyone will have instant decorations!

Also, the box made from a rectangluar piece of paper has a good simple-
fold-to-satisfaction ratio.  And they can really come in handy:  Last
month while vacationing on the Olympic Peninsula, my father's wife
demanded an instant container for holding blackberries by the side of the
road that she wanted to pick.  Their rental car map was perfect -- we
filled it within 5 minutes.  Yum!

And my last idea (at least for tonight ;-) is some of Paul Jackson's
recent work with one-fold origami.  I don't know anything more than what
he said in the interview that appeared in the Spring 1996 issue of _The
Paper_ (OUSA's quarterly publication), but it sure sounds intriguing and
emotionally involving (maybe too much so for a drop-in situation).  Can
anyone out there comment on that?  Or can any of the COET attendees speak
to other techniques and models that have been used in a therapeutic
context?

- Gretchen

--
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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 08:36:00 -0300 (ADT)
From: Gisela Schneider <giselas@hrz.uni-bielefeld.de>
Subject: Origami advent calendars and IRC (2nd try)

I have the impression that my first posting dealing with these subjects
got lost somehow so I'll give it another try.

topic 1:

In my circle of friends it is a tradition to give away advent calendars
each year so I would appreciate sharing ideas and inspirations with other
people - it's getting harder and harder to find new ideas every year.

I am making one advent calendar mobile this year. The recipient gets the
basic mobile construction and 24 boxes containing sonobe units he has to
put together every day. The finished diamonds (12 units) have to be
placed on the mobile construction.

topic 2

I am regularly hanging out on IRC and I am wondering if anyone else from
this list can be found there. I'd find it great to be able to exchange
opinions, complaints about frustrating models or tips how to get on with
one online. I haven't tried any of the online chats that are available
under netscape but I faintly remember hearing someone say that some of
you can be approached there??

Take care everyone and have a great day!

Gisela
(who received her copies of "Brilliant Origami" and "Horrorgami" today
and who will start folding pumpkins, spiders, bats, and more this
weekend!)





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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 10:41:56 -0300 (ADT)
From: Francis Firth <Francis.Firth@uce.ac.uk>
Subject: Patricia Crawford - Piano

I have the diagrams for this in Harbin's Book 4 and have tried it several
times over the years.
All goes well until the final stage where the narrow end of the piano
(triangular end opposite the keyboard) needs to be closed and the sides
raised.
I can't really read the diagrams at this stage and have never been able to
work out how to fold and lock this end of the piano.
Can anyone help?
Thanks,
Francis Firth
Francis.Firth@uce.ac.uk





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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 07:43:34 -0300 (ADT)
From: Paul Slater <P.Slater@swansea.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Counciling/ relaxation therapy..Thankyous

Thank you for all your ideas!. It has always been tricky for me to
choose the right type of models which were both easy to fold, but had
high reward factors. I'd forgotten about the strawberry, and modular
ideas (Fuse boxes etc..) are another great idea. With Christmas
coming up, decorations could be appropriate, but this being a very
much international university, I would have to be careful how to
promote dangly things. Mobiles?.

I could even try Yoshizawa's (hope I spelt that correctly!)
butterfly, and have each model blue-tacked up on a board. When
completed to be donated to the hospidal next door to this university.
(Although the kids in there were much more interested in Sega than
learning how to fold anything!! :) ....) Each butterfly from
different pieces of coloured paper.????

Any other easy models for mobiles?

Thanks again folks,

Paul.





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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 11:02:49 -0300 (ADT)
From: Brett Askinazi <askinazi@i1.NET>
Subject: Re: Counciling/ relaxation therapy..Thankyous

Still nobody mentioned the COET book, it's topic is origami/therapy I
think.  I can't imagine a better place for a plug.

Eh Nick.

Major Plug on the way.

Brett
askinazi@i1.net





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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 11:27:32 -0300 (ADT)
From: chall@scsn.net (Carol Hall)
Subject: strawberry/pumpkin

Since Cooker's strawberry was mentioned and it is now autumn.....

Use 10 inch (or larger) orange paper held back to back with green or brown.
Fold the strawberry, orange side out.  Instead of holding the "pages"
together in pairs while inflating, let them each separate from the others
and inflate (actually pull apart) until the bottom is flat.  This is a fair
representation of a pumpkin - recognizable at least.  The disadvantages: a
much larger hole in the top, due to the pages separating singly, and leaves
which are too big for a pumpkin.  Problem can be solved by folding the
leaves up toward each other, covering the hole and twisting into a stem.
(Watch those small folds at the top!)

Speaking of stems, I heard Michael Shall say that he had designed a pumpkin
stem.  I assumed that this was a separate piece of paper to be used with ?
some pumpkin model, but I never saw it.  Anyone know of this stem - or the
pumpkin he was referring to?

Carol Hall
chall@scsn.net





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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 12:53:11 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Counciling/ relaxation therapy..ideas?

There is a wonderful "minimalist/Zen" model in Jackson's
encyclopedia (no diagram, I think, but the photo is
all you'd need to make your own.) It's called
"Mount Fuji and the Sea", apparently from lettersize
paper, with one edge turned back to make Fuji's snowcap,
then that end of the paper folded into a triangular shape
(Fuji), and the other end accordian pleated to make the sea.
Then the sea half and the Fuji half are bent at right angles,
so the model stand up with Fuji at the back and the sea as
a base in front, like a book-end.

The paper would have to be white on one side, colored on
the other (something appropriate to mountain and sea).
Acordian pleating is very rhythmic, by the way. :-)
Plus none of the folds have "critical" landmarks. In
fact, it helps if the initial fold to make the snowcap
*isn't* parallel to the edge, and the triangular folds and
even the "sea/wave" pleating don't have to be precise, so
nobody has to get anxious about "doing it right"!

There's another slightly more complex model best done all
in white of the sky, sea and a seagull. It relies on the
shadows of the folds for effect; also very "Zen". I'll have
to look that one up, don't remember where it is; possiblt one
of the Convention Annuals.

Jackson's Encyclopedia contains a number of single or minimal
fold models, some abstract, where a single fold, sometimes
curved, makes the model go 3-D and gives interesting light
and shadow effects. They emphasize the beauty and texture of
the paper. Some of the spiral models (Fuse has published two
collections by herself and others) are similarly beautiful,
though most are more complex to fold.

--valerie





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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 15:40:54 -0300 (ADT)
From: RA Kennedy <kennedra@isdugp.bham.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Counciling/ relaxation therapy..ideas?

> "Mount Fuji and the Sea", apparently from lettersize

I think that the diagrams for this model are in Jackson's
"Classic Origami".

The giving of simple gifts is also very therapeutic, and a way of expressing
our thanks to those who help and support us when we are stressed, even
depressed. In this vain, I have found hearts a good subject, there are some
wonderful examples in the books by Francis Ow.

Richard





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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 16:17:55 -0300 (ADT)
From: rita <rstevens@philly.infi.NET>
Subject: Re: strawberry/pumpkin

Please post again what book "Cooker's Strawberry" is in.  Thanks in advance.

Rita

At 11:27 AM 9/26/96 -0300, Carol Hall wrote:
>Since Cooker's strawberry was mentioned and it is now autumn.....
>
>Use 10 inch (or larger) orange paper held back to back with green or brown.
>Fold the strawberry, orange side out.  Instead of holding the "pages"
>together in pairs while inflating, let them each separate from the others
>and inflate (actually pull apart) until the bottom is flat.  This is a fair
>representation of a pumpkin - recognizable at least.  The disadvantages: a
>much larger hole in the top, due to the pages separating singly, and leaves
>which are too big for a pumpkin.  Problem can be solved by folding the
>leaves up toward each other, covering the hole and twisting into a stem.
>(Watch those small folds at the top!)
>
>Speaking of stems, I heard Michael Shall say that he had designed a pumpkin
>stem.  I assumed that this was a separate piece of paper to be used with ?
>some pumpkin model, but I never saw it.  Anyone know of this stem - or the
>pumpkin he was referring to?
>
>Carol Hall
>chall@scsn.net





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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 18:49:59 -0300 (ADT)
From: Pat Slider <slider@ims.mariposa.ca.us>
Subject: New Sadako statue.

Just got another origami story from the San Jose Mercury News. Seems there
is now a statue by Bruce Kueffer of Sadako at the Stanford Linear
Accelerator Center. The article says:

"Kueffer's sculpture includes dozens of colorful paper cranes. And the plaster
figure of Sadako holds a golden origami crane in its hands. The crane was placed
 there by Michiko Benevedes, a Hiroshima survivor who now lives in Daly City."

For those of you in the neighborhood, the Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
is behind Stanford University itself:

"The Sadako sculpture can be seen Monday through Friday from 8 a.m. to 5
p.m. at
the SLAC Visitor Center, which was opened in July. The facility is on Sand Hill
Road in Menlo Park, east of Interstate 280."

(The blurb says Menlo Park, but the Center is quite close to the Palo Alto
border.)

The article was unclear as to whether or not this statue will be a permanent
addition to the center or not.

pat slider.





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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 23:47:25 -0300 (ADT)
From: Steve Arlow <yorick@conch.aa.msen.com>
Subject: Re: Announce: erotic origami page changes its name 2

I can see that dozens of messages on this topic have arrived in
the past few days (I've not been on-line much; having had two
hard disks, a video card, and a laser printer all go belly-up in
the space of two weeks).  I'll go read the rest of the debate,
and probably have more to say thereafter, but first this:

DORIGAMI@aol.com wrote:
>
>Zack: Is this erotica stuff really necessary to the Origami-l.  In private it
>is fun for adults and I'm not a prude but I think we have a lot of young
>people in this group.  Can't we keep one area of our life clean. Does anyone
>else agree with me or do you think I am too old fashioned. Dorigami

I suspect that any debate over this is pointless.  If enough
people want a "sanitized" version of ORIGAMI-L, I am sure that
our list-maintainer can set one up in about ten minutes.  There,
no more problem.

Any kids who have access to a computer and Internet connection,
and who are able to find a high-volume mailing list like this
one both interesting and useful, but are still somehow so
innocent that they must be protected from exposure to terms like
"missonary position" or "erection" (or from absurd jokes about
tubs of jello and trapeezes) can then be relegated by their
parents to the kiddie list.

Perhaps you can call it "PURELAND-L".

C'mon, do we really have that many young kids on this list?
(Assume that the question is rhetorical, unless it has somehow
not already been posed and answered in the huge pile of mail I
see below me.  I ask, of course, because I expect that the
number is few or none.)

  -- Steve

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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 01:26:05 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jeff Goff <jeffgoff@synergy.net>
Subject: Re: Counciling/ relaxation therapy..ideas?

At 12:58 PM 9/26/96 -0300, you wrote:
>There is a wonderful "minimalist/Zen" model in Jackson's
>encyclopedia (no diagram, I think, but the photo is
>all you'd need to make your own.)

Actually, there is a diagram. Not that you'd need one.

[Snip]

I've got two on my desk, and I get more compliments about those than some of
the Lang insects I've got scattered around. It seems to be more
recognizable. Incidentally, it's better IMO if the pleating isn't quite
right, as you get a feel for the rippling of the sea. In addition, mine are
done in Aizome washi, with a blue pattern. It works for both the snow on the
mountain and the wave crests on the sea.

>There's another slightly more complex model best done all
>in white of the sky, sea and a seagull. It relies on the
>shadows of the folds for effect; also very "Zen". I'll have
>to look that one up, don't remember where it is; possiblt one
>of the Convention Annuals.

Seagull and Surf appears in Eric Kenneway's _Complete_Origami_, page 136.
ISBN 0-312-00898-8

It may appear elsewhere. In the geometric realm, some of Chris Palmer's work
has some of that Zen-like simplicity. I sat down and did an 16x24 grid of
Palmer's square twist tesselation, and there's a very rhythmic effect as
your eye moves across it. It helps if you take the time so that the creases
don't go across the twisted square.

>Jackson's Encyclopedia contains a number of single or minimal
>fold models, some abstract, where a single fold, sometimes
>curved, makes the model go 3-D and gives interesting light
>and shadow effects. They emphasize the beauty and texture of
>the paper. Some of the spiral models (Fuse has published two
>collections by herself and others) are similarly beautiful,
>though most are more complex to fold.

True. I spent lots more time figuring out the creasing patterns than I did
actually folding the spirals.

-Jeff <jeffgoff@synergy.net>





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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 01:27:51 -0300 (ADT)
From: Steve Arlow <yorick@conch.aa.msen.com>
Subject: Quality of discourse (was: Re: alt arts...)

Penny Groom <penny@sector.demon.co.uk> writes:
>
>I have deliberately avoided giving out the address of origami-l to alt
>arts origami en masse and just given it out privately to  people who
>were obviously frustrated by the lack of quality origami converstion
>there.

As opposed to?  I've long since given up hope of carrying out
any serious discourse here.  There are a few people who do, of
course, but by and large, Sturgeon's Law applies even here.

Anyone can post to this list, there is no peer review; there are
no editorial standards being enforced.  So when I spend, for
example, several hours researching copyright law as it could be
applied to origami, and report my findings with documentation
and references, anyone can follow up with a message which blithly
states that half of my information is wrong, while providing
absolutely no evidence to substantiate her claims or to refute
mine.

When the majority of those who participate actively on this list
don't seem to make any critical distinction between serious,
thoughtful posts and offhand prattle, I find little motivation to
go to the effort of writing serious, thoughtful posts.  I have
nothing but admiration and gratitude for those who do (Lang,
Lister, Smith, Kirschenbaum, a few others), but the proportion is
so small that I usually feel that I may as well just stick to
swapping chit-chat and origami tips, trivia, and so on.  Mind you,
there is value to be had in that, too -- but we can hardly pretend
that it's worth archiving for posterity.

>Please think twice before giving it out to all and sundry. There are
>some screwballs on these newsgroups, anyone can join newsgroups by just
>picking  them off the list, you have to know about origami-l to join it.

So what?  In newsgroups (at least, in the Big 8), many more
people can participate -- people who have less time and fewer
resources to devote to it.  People who subscribe to this list
and immediately unsubscribe because they can't find their
business email in the flood of origami-l.  Are there too many
people on ORIGAMI-L?  Yeah, probably.  I've got procmail
installed, and I still have dropped this list twice when the
volume got too heavy.  But while I can see a good argument for
creating a moderated list to complement (not replace) this one,
what you suggest is rather to create an "elite" list to keep
the "riff-raff" out.  Go ahead and start one, if that's what
you want.  But please don't try to do it to this list -- it's
already to big to be turned into a private clique, and anyway
I've always found that such little clique-lists tend to get
stale very quickly.

>Lets not risk sinking to the level alt arts has been recently because
>the nutters have joined us.I agree with Dorothy, lets keep this list
>clean, if you want to talk smut, join a smutty list!

Excuse me, Ms. Groom?

Zack Brown, Marc Kirschenbaum, and Nick Robinson are "nutters",
you say?

You are entitled to your opinion, of course, but I suggest that
everyone take a look at the contribution Penny Groom has made to
this list over the past few months -- consisting almost entirely
of three-line chit-chat, BOS administrivia, requests for
addresses she has lost or for advice on her various technical
difficulties, with only one or two substantive origami-related
posts.  Now compare that with the contributions of *any* of the
three people listed above.

I think that this list could do with a lot more "nutters" like
them, and a lot less of something else that I'm too polite to
put a name to.

  -- Steve

--
"I felt a strong desire to howl at the moon.   |  Steve Arlow, Yorick Software
 It was such a howlable moon.  But I           |  39336 Polo Club Dr. #103,
 restrained myself."  -- Snuff (Zelazny)       |  Farmington Hills, MI  48335
   My email is backlogged; please be patient.  |  http://www.msen.com/~yorick





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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 01:59:46 -0300 (ADT)
From: Steve Arlow <yorick@conch.aa.msen.COM>
Subject: Re: Announce: erotic origami page changes its name 2

Please accept my apologies for quoting the entire thing -- it's
necessary to drive the point home.  I suspect that someone
doesn't read her own posts...

Laurie Bisman,

  1) Writes a one-line "me too" response.

  2) That one line is 120 characters long.

  3) Includes the entire post she is replying to, PLUS several
     lines of quoted headers.

  4) Includes 2.4K of binary attachment -- OVER 200 TIMES THE
     SIZE OF HER MESSAGE -- that is meaningless to the vast
     majority of the people on this list, and she does this
     despite the fact that others have previously asked that
     such attachments not be sent to the entire list.

And she seems to feel, along with dorigami, that other folks here
should be more considerate of the sensibilities of others when
they post.  Indeed.  The mind boggles.

Before worrying about that mote in your brother's eye, why not
tend to the beam in your own?

Laurie Bisman <lbisman@sirranet.co.nz> writes:
>
>I agree with DORIGAMI - as interesting as this has been, let's finish this
     thread and move onto something else.
>
>Laurie Bisman
>lbisman@sirranet.co.nz
>
>----------
>From:  DORIGAMI@aol.com[SMTP:DORIGAMI@aol.com]
>Sent:  Saturday, 21 September 1996 11:45
>To:    Multiple recipients of list
>Subject:       Re: Announce: erotic origami page changes its name 2
>
>
>Zack: Is this erotica stuff really necessary to the Origami-l.  In private it
>is fun for adults and I'm not a prude but I think we have a lot of young
>people in this group.  Can't we keep one area of our life clean. Does anyone
>else agree with me or do you think I am too old fashioned. Dorigami

--
"I felt a strong desire to howl at the moon.   |  Steve Arlow, Yorick Software
 It was such a howlable moon.  But I           |  39336 Polo Club Dr. #103,
 restrained myself."  -- Snuff (Zelazny)       |  Farmington Hills, MI  48335
   My email is backlogged; please be patient.  |  http://www.msen.com/~yorick





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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 02:12:28 -0300 (ADT)
From: Steve Arlow <yorick@conch.aa.msen.COM>
Subject: Re: 4 Sonobe (was Re: 1000 uses for dimes & quarters?)

abeshous@pitt.edu (Daniel Abeshouse) writes:
>
>At 2:56 AM 9/19/96, Steve Arlow wrote:
    ^^^^^^^ ('swhat I get...)
>>ObOrigami:  I constructed the two-intersecting-squares shape from
>>            four Sonobe modules that someone mentioned here
>>            recently.  (Its outline forms a cube, so there is
>>            such almost a thing as a 4-unit cube after all!)  I
>>            notice that this is sort of an action fold [...]
>
>        I may be mistaken, but what you're describing sounds more like an
>octahedron than a cube

I stand corrected...

>                       (its dual).

..on both counts.  :)

>                                      The edges of all three (mutually
>perpendicular) squares will be the edges of a cuboctahedron.
                                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
But you got it wrong here.  :)  :P

  -- Steve

--
"I felt a strong desire to howl at the moon.   |  Steve Arlow, Yorick Software
 It was such a howlable moon.  But I           |  39336 Polo Club Dr. #103,
 restrained myself."  -- Snuff (Zelazny)       |  Farmington Hills, MI  48335
   My email is backlogged; please be patient.  |  http://www.msen.com/~yorick





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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 05:33:17 -0300 (ADT)
From: Maarten van Gelder <M.J.van.Gelder@rc.rug.nl>
Subject: Re: Quality of discourse (was: Re: alt arts...)

m> From:           Steve Arlow <yorick@conch.aa.msen.com>
m>
m> >Lets not risk sinking to the level alt arts has been recently because
m> >the nutters have joined us.I agree with Dorothy, lets keep this list
m> >clean, if you want to talk smut, join a smutty list!
m>
m> Excuse me, Ms. Groom?
m>
m> Zack Brown, Marc Kirschenbaum, and Nick Robinson are "nutters",
m> you say?

 Did she?

m>
m> You are entitled to your opinion, of course, but I suggest that
m> everyone take a look at the contribution Penny Groom has made to
m> this list over the past few months -- consisting almost entirely
m> of three-line chit-chat, BOS administrivia, requests for
m> addresses she has lost or for advice on her various technical
m> difficulties, with only one or two substantive origami-related
m> posts.  Now compare that with the contributions of *any* of the
m> three people listed above.

I don't agree with this opinion. The things you mention above (BOS admin...
addresses and advices) are just the subjects we had on this list when it
started. And also later on. Do you think the messages asking where do I find
a shop and who's going to a convention are more Origami related?
For me they don't have much inpact because that are mostly shops and local
conventions in the USA. And that is for me (Holland) very far away ...
But I don't complain about that. It is what we all together make from this
list.

Maarten van Gelder,           Rekencentrum RuG,  RijksUniversiteit Groningen
M.J.van.Gelder@rc.rug.nl                         Nederland





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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 06:13:13 -0300 (ADT)
From: Bruce Stephens <stephens@math.ruu.nl>
Subject: Shops and other useless things (was Re: Quality of discourse )

> For me they don't have much inpact because that are mostly shops and local
> conventions in the USA. And that is for me (Holland) very far away ...
> But I don't complain about that. It is what we all together make from this
> list.

Yes, what we really want is information about shops and conventions in
the Netherlands!  I've yet to find anywhere really good for books.  The
local bookshop (Broese Kemink) has a few, but what happened to the
Japanese shop which apparently used to be in Amsterdam?  Most
stationers have some origami paper, of course: in Utrecht, Mado on
Oudegracht is one of the best I've found.

> Maarten van Gelder,           Rekencentrum RuG,  RijksUniversiteit Groningen
> M.J.van.Gelder@rc.rug.nl                         Nederland

--
Bruce Stephens           | email: B.Stephens@math.ruu.nl
Utrecht University              | telephone: +31 30 2534630
Department of Mathematics       | telefax:   +31 30 2518394
P.O. Box 80010, 3508 TA Utrecht, The Netherlands





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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 09:46:49 -0300 (ADT)
From: Juancarlos <jlondono@calima.ciat.cgiar.org>
Subject: My homepage has a new home!

       Hi. Finaly after several months waiting for it my origami homepage
has a new home.

http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/5456/ORIGAMI.HTM

This page is only available in spanish (sorry)

Juancarlos





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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 10:42:33 -0300 (ADT)
From: bob@maggie.pentek.com (Bob Sgandurra)
Subject: Re: Accurate dimensions

Hi Namir,

I've only seen the Black Forest Cuckoo Clock in that one magazine (ORU).
I really hope Robert includes it in a future book.

Bob
bob@pentek.com





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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 10:53:30 -0300 (ADT)
From: chall@scsn.net (Carol Hall)
Subject: Re: strawberry/pumpkin

>Please post again what book "Cooker's Strawberry" is in.  Thanks in advance.
>
>Rita
>
Can someone help?  I think the only diagram I have of the strawberry is the
one OUSA sent out a few years ago in their appeal for models for the museum
holiday gathering.

I'm off to the SE Festival...Rita, if you don't have your answer by next
week, get in touch and I will send you step-folds.

Carol Hall
chall@scsn.net





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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 11:18:58 -0300 (ADT)
From: chall@scsn.net (Carol Hall)
Subject: Re: Quality of discourse

>You are entitled to your opinion, of course, but I suggest that
>everyone take a look at the contribution     has made to
>this list over the past few months -- consisting almost entirely
>of three-line chit-chat, BOS administrivia, requests for
>addresses she has lost or for advice on her various technical
>difficulties, with only one or two substantive origami-related
>posts.

Not only do I disagree with the opinion that BOS matters and advice are
irrelevant to this list, I would much rather read a posting along that line
than one which engages in personal attacks.

>Please accept my apologies for quoting the entire thing -- it's
>necessary to drive the point home.  I suspect that someone
>doesn't read her own posts...
>
I believe that the person in question has explained to the list his
technical difficulties regarding the attachments to his posts.  Again, I
think that personal attacks are completely uncalled for.

There is no need to "drive the point home."

Carol Hall
chall@scsn.net





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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 11:28:12 -0300 (ADT)
From: chall@scsn.net (Carol Hall)
Subject: discourse/ culture of the list

It seems to me that when opinions differ and we choose to debate those
issues, we each of us has an obligation to do so in a civil manner.  I don't
object to differing opinions, but I am increasingly uncomfortable with the
tone with which they are stated.  We all live in the same world, folks, and
just because we can't see each other face to face in this forum doesn't mean
that we shouldn't have some empathy for those who read our messages.  I
would hate to think that there are people who unsubscribe or who choose not
to post valuable information/creative ideas because they don't want to be
screamed at by someone who thinks differently.

I believe that the majority of regular readers/contributors to origami-l
agree with me on this, so I would ask all of us to do our personal best to
uphold those commonly-held standards.  We need to at least set the example
for those who mistakenly think that usenet culture should prevail.

Carol Hall
chall@scsn.net





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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 13:30:57 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jennifer Andre <JAndre@cfipro.COM>
Subject: Steve Arlow - A pseudo-personal response

     Sorry, Fellow Folders, I'm on one of those backward systems that
     doesn't show me a sender's personal return address...

     Mr. Arlow, thank you for reminding us that variety IS the spice of
     life!  Having a bad day, are we?

     Fold something.  It might relax you.  Look for yourself at how many
     kilobytes you've spent on negativity.  Please be more kind to Ms.
     Bisman and Ms. Groom.  They're nice people.  If you want the right to
     "speak" your mind here, please afford them the same courtesy, no
     matter what they have to say.

     BTW...Congratulations on your proficiency with your e-mail system.
     Please understand that not everyone shares your skills.

     There!  The central theme here didn't even get to be origami!  All
     because personal attacks (please don't deny it, Mr. Arlow) get me
     really SNORKED OFF!!!  We are all modules in the origami world.

     - Jennifer
     JAndre@cfipro.com

     PS - I folded a couple of kitties, last night...and they don't even
     look much like bunnies!  REAL ORIGAMI CONTENT!!!





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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 13:34:39 -0300 (ADT)
From: contract@nyc.pipeline.COM (Contractors Exchange)
Subject: Re: Accurate dimensions

On Sep 27, 1996 10:42:33, 'bob@maggie.pentek.com (Bob Sgandurra)' wrote:

>Hi Namir,
>
>I've only seen the Black Forest Cuckoo Clock in that one magazine (ORU).

There is also a picture of it available through the archives (ftp.rug.nl in
the /origami/pictures directory).





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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 14:14:54 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Cymbalist <ae565@freenet.toronto.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Accurate dimensions

> >I've only seen the Black Forest Cuckoo Clock in that one magazine (ORU).
>
> There is also a picture of it available through the archives (ftp.rug.nl in
> the /origami/pictures directory).

There is a cuckoo clock in Robert Lang's book, "The Complete Book of
Origami".  This is apparently not the one you are referring too but I
thought it might interest you anyway.

|    Greg Cymbalist                                              |
| ae565@freenet.toronto.on.ca                                             |





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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 15:53:47 -0300 (ADT)
From: vicky@infoarch.com
Subject: Ori Classes in S.F.

Ori Classes in S.F.

Hi everyone -

For anyone interested in origami classes in San Francisco,
I'm scheduled to teach a few through the San Francisco City
College Continuing Education.  Each session is two monday
evenings, 6:30-8:30pm at Marina Middle School.  Please call
them at (415) 561-1840 to register.  $35 per session or $80
for all three, plus $8 materials per session.

Oct 7 & 14 - Origami flowers (including Kawasaki rose)
Oct 21 & 28 - Boxes & baskets (Fuse and others)
Nov 18 & 25 - Holiday gifts & jewelry

If you are interested in the specific models just email me
privately!  Thanks!

Vicky Mihara Avery
vicky@infoarch.com





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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 16:37:09 -0300 (ADT)
From: halgall@netverk.com.ar
Subject: Re: Quality of discourse (was: Re: alt arts...)

Sorry,  folders!!!

Mr.Arlow,  please,  puts music smooth,  fold something,
it is good for relax you.

This is a list for subject about origami,  no for personal insults.
If all we might think of equal manner,  the world would be too boring.
No seems to you?

Patricia Gallo
halgall@netverk.com.ar





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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 16:56:17 -0300 (ADT)
From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@empnet.com>
Subject: Re: My homepage has a new home!

At 09:47 AM 9/27/96 -0300, you wrote:
>       Hi. Finaly after several months waiting for it my origami homepage
>has a new home.
>
>http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/5456/ORIGAMI.HTM
>
Hola Juancarlos!

Congratulations on your new home page (nuevo pagina casa?  pagina primera?
Yo no se...).  I was very happy to see that it will be in pure Spanish - I
need the challenge!  Hope to visit often, and thanks for remembering me

"Origami: Welcome to the Fold!"

Steve Woodmansee,
stevew@empnet.com





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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 17:20:35 -0300 (ADT)
From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@empnet.COM>
Subject: Origami list content [NOT a flame!]

Dear friends

        I'd like to add one more comment to the ongoing thread regarding
Origami list netiquette and all related sub-topics.  I am an adult
professional and am exposed to "blue" language and off-color jokes
constantly and generally am not offended by it.  I've even been known to use
such language (gasp!), although certainly never as a result of folding
frustrations --- *all the same* this list has, from the moment I found it,
been a safe zone, a quiet haven amidst the techno-trash, ads, flames, spam,
and the general blather of other web sites.

        The whole mood of this list, especially with so much focused on
Origami and Asian cultural observations, has always made me feel as if I
were entering a qentle rock garden or peaceful sanctuary.  I believe it is
this lovely mood we are trying to protect in asking for some restraint in
what is allowed into "the garden".  I'm sure if we compared views on any
number of topics we would find wild diversity amongst ourselves, but this
list is not geared towards examining these issues - we all came here because
we love an ancient, beautiful and *delicate* art form.

        I'm sorry to see so much negative correspondence in my mail today,
but hopefully it won't last.  At the very least, it's been interesting...

"Origami: Welcome to the Fold!"

Steve Woodmansee,
stevew@empnet.com





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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 17:20:21 -0300 (ADT)
From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@empnet.COM>
Subject: Sorry for the general distribution

Sorry everyone, that note to Juancarlos was supposed to be private.  My
apologies...

"Origami: Welcome to the Fold!"

Steve Woodmansee,
stevew@empnet.com





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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 17:20:01 -0300 (ADT)
From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@empnet.com>
Subject: Origami madness in Philadelphia

Dear friends -

        Well I'm on my way home from Philadelphia and unfortunately have to
report I wasn't able to visit the paper store someone was kind enough to
recommend to me.  I did however clean out a Barnes and Noble which had about
6 books missing from my collection.  I picked up 'Angelfish-Zen' 'Creative
Origami' 'Origami Sculpture' 'Wild Origami' and a couple of others.  I fully
admit I was out of control, but these books are not available locally, and
though I've had great success ordering from Fascinating Folds, I went a bit
mental.

        I haven't figured out which one I want to start with first - any
recommendations or favorites?  Several of the books were of Montroll's
animal collections, I don't know where to start!

"Origami: Welcome to the Fold!"

Steve Woodmansee,
stevew@empnet.com





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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 17:29:58 -0300 (ADT)
From: Marcia Mau <marcia.mau@pressroom.com>
Subject: Mount Fuji and The Sea by Seiryo Takekawa

My cousin has taught this model to first graders in Milwaukee.  When I
showed it to people who stopped by my booth at the Cherry Blossom Festival,
NO ONE expressed any interest in learning it.  I think they felt it was
beneath them.  On the other hand, everyone wanted to learn the Butterfly Ball.
Marcia Mau
marcia.mau@pressroom.com





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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 17:43:01 -0300 (ADT)
From: casida@ere.umontreal.ca (Casida Mark)
Subject: Re: Origami list content [NOT a flame!]

Steve Woodmansee wrote:
>
>         The whole mood of this list, especially with so much focused on
> Origami and Asian cultural observations, has always made me feel as if I
> were entering a qentle rock garden or peaceful sanctuary.  I believe it is
> this lovely mood we are trying to protect in asking for some restraint in
> what is allowed into "the garden".
>
Yes, let us try to preserve the mood as best we can.

                                         ... Mark

--
*-------------------------------------------------------*
|          Mark E. Casida                               |
|          e-mail: casida@chimcn.umontreal.ca           |





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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 17:46:14 -0300 (ADT)
From: halgall@netverk.com.ar
Subject: Re: My homepage has a new home!

Hola Juan!!!

>       Hi. Finaly after several months waiting for it my origami homepage
>has a new home.
>http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/5456/ORIGAMI.HTM
>
>This page is only available in spanish (sorry)
>
>Juancarlos

Gracias, la visitare. Felicidades!!!





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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 17:52:33 -0300 (ADT)
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Expectation clash.

Pardon me for not taking this all seriously, but I have found the
discussions lately to be often more amusing than I think they were
intended.  Mostly because, in my not-so-humble opinion, the list is
undergoing "growing pains"... whether from an influx of new people, or just
from expectation change and clash.

I don't get the same things from the list as I did when I first joined it,
and I don't expect to.  And I certainly don't expect the list to conform to
my likes and dislikes.  I ignore what I don't care to read, rather than
choosing to take offense.  And I take responsibility (though not lately) to
try to post the kinds of messages that I myself like to read.  It is easier
filtering the messages we read.  BUT, we can also shape it buy what we
post.

But I'm preachin' to the choir, as they say.

Grinningly,
            -Doug





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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 18:00:45 -0300 (ADT)
From: "MARGARET M. BARBER" <mbarber@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu>
Subject: Re: Quality of discourse (was: Re: alt arts...)

I'm really not sure why this is being shared on the list.  Please let's
all try to restrain sending unpleasant flames and holding on to old
grudges.  I agree with Steve Woodmansee - the list is a special place.
I think spirited debate/discussion is wonderful; however there is no place
here for personal diatribes such as was posted here recently.

Peg Barber
mbarber@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu





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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 18:35:38 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jennifer Andre <JAndre@cfipro.COM>
Subject: AYYYMEN! + "Quick & Easy Origami Boxes" Question

     AYYYMEN!/NON-ORIGAMI PART

     First, I agree with my Fellow Folders (and Fellow Oregonian), Steve
     W., and with all others who feel our list is our sanctuary from all
     the emotional cacophony of the real world.  Let's be supportive of one
     another.  I'll always run to the defense of good people, but I'd
     rather not see the need to do so.

     ORIGAMI PART

     I've seen the "Quick & Easy Origami Boxes" (Fuse) kit in my local
     bookstore, but unfortunately, all available copies were shrinkwrapped.
     I have "Origami Boxes," "Joyful Origami Boxes," and the 4-part
     "Origami Wonderland" series, which includes "Manpuku Hako" (aka "Boxes
     Within Boxes").  Would "Q & E" be a worthwhile addition to the
     collection, or is it more suited as an introduction to Ms. Fuse's
     boxes, for those who have none of her books?

     Thank you, in advance, for any information you can provide me, either
     privately or, if you feel others might want to know, by the List.

     - Jennifer
     JAndre@cfipro.com





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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 18:51:12 -0300 (ADT)
From: Rob Hudson <rhudson@netrax.net>
Subject: Re: Expectation clash.

Let's just make this simple- put the stuff in the subject line.  Just as
parents tell children not to sneak a look at the porn on the top shelves of
the bookstore magazine racks, we can tell them not to look at the subject
lines of messages that their parental guidance units deem to be inappropriate.

Besides, if the kid's are worth they're salt, they will have already figured
out how to disable surfwatch and head for alt.usenet.babes conferences! :)

Rob
