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Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 20:35:01 -0300 (ADT)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: Washi vs. Chiyogami

On Mon, 2 Sep 1996, Ole A. Nielsen wrote:

> A question which has been bothering me for a while now: Is there a
> difference between washi and chiyrogami, or are they just two different
> names for the same thing?

"Washi" is a term meaning Japanese (handmade) paper. "Wa" means "peace" or
"harmony" and is often used to refer to things Japanese. "Shi" means
"paper". "Chiyogami" (not "chiyRogami") refers to decorated paper, i.e.
paper with a pattern or design printed or painted on. I don't know the
exact definition of "chiyo" but, of course, "gami" is a form of "kami"
meaning "paper". There is some overlap between the two as chiyogami is
often made by printing patterns onto washi, but some of the "chiyogami"
origami paper is made by printing the same patterns onto regular origami
paper, or even onto brown craft paper.

I don't know if this is also called chiyogami, but there are also some
Japanese paper-makers who do fantastic pictures by "painting" onto washi
(before it dries) with coloured paper pulp.

          Joseph Wu           For me, a poem is the crossroads of my thoughts,
  origami@planet.datt.co.jp   my feelings, my imaginings, my wishes and my
 Webmaster, the Origami Page  verbal sense: normally these run parallel.  Often
http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami two or more cross. But only when all cross at
 Webmaster, DATT Japan Inc.   one point do you get a poem - Bash! Whop! Klok!
    http://www.datt.co.jp     Doing! - Poem, Yippee!   --Philip Larkin, poet.





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Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 20:56:57 -0300 (ADT)
From: imcarrie@actrix.gen.nz (Ian Carrie)
Subject: Harbin Books

With all the recent talk about the scarcity of these books I have to tell
you that yesterday I found in a second-hand book shop in Wellington a
paperback copy of Harbin's "Teach Yourself Origami" (1983) and a hardback
copy of Harbin's "Origami: a Step-by-Step Guide" (1974), complete with the
diagams for Patricia Crawford's ship with a stand by Fred Rohm. Both books
in mint condition and costing only $5 each!

What luck 8-)

Cheers

Ian





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Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 21:09:23 -0300 (ADT)
From: jdharris@post.cis.smu.edu (Jerry D. Harris)
Subject: Re: cranes mailed to Hiroshima

>Many thanks, Barbara.  I will try to find it in Montreal first as ordering
>from the States can be a real pain sometimes.  I have had a lot of success
>with one particular store which seems willing to go the extra mile for their
>clients, and they may be of help to me here.  The name seems familiar
>somehow, but I can't place it.

        You might also try a www site:  CDConnection, at:

http://www.cdconnection.com/

        They've got an absolutely _huge_ selection of CDs available, and
they can ship anywhere!  8-)

Jerry D. Harris                       (214) 768-2750
Dept. of Geological Sciences          FAX:  (214) 768-2701
Southern Methodist University         jdharris@post.smu.edu
Box 750395                            (CompuServe:  73132,3372)
Dallas  TX  75275-0395

"Tyrannosaurs, though rarely seen, are certainly still around.
And no one knows just where or when the next one will be found."

                                  -- Calvin (aka Bill Watterson)
                                    .    .
                              .-_  /:\  /'\ .
                             /'''\/:::\/'''/:\
                         .---_'''/:::::\''/:::\----.
 .  .            .    .  \::: \''\:::::/''\:::/'__/_ .
 \\_\\_       /\/:\/\/:\/ \_:::\__\---/----\_/'/ :::/
  \ \\_\______\_\_/\/\_/\__\\_/    o  o  o  \_/::::/ ___ .
   \___\__________              o           o    \//''''/
                  \______     o                o   \''_/   _----_
                        \__  /     '            o  \/:\  / ....-/





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Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 22:26:21 -0300 (ADT)
From: James_Sakoda@brown.edu (James M. Sakoda)
Subject: Adobe's Portable Document Format (PDF)

I have been considering setting up a web page to display some of my
origami diagrams, and have run into the problem of cost of using JIF or
JPEG with Netscape to store them.  The reason, of course, is that line
drawings and text require much more storage space and transmission time
when treated as a collection of dots on a page. Using a scanner to copy a
picture or line drawings makes the job of creating a page relatively
simple.   My understanding is that the use of portable document format can
correct this situation.  Adobe has taken the lead in providing PDF and is
providing Acrobat Exchange, Acrobat PDF Writer, Acrobat Search, Adobe Type
Manager, ATM,  Acrobat Reader as Acribat Exchange  V. 2.1.  The Reader and
ATM (Adobe Type Manager) sent to the recipient along with the message will
enable him to read or print messages sent to him in PDF.
In a recent catalog from CDW (phone 800-549-4239) it was listed  at
$119.49, with a note that there would be a free upgrade to Acrobat 3.0.
Next to it was an ad for Acrobat Pro V. 2.1 for $179.41 and included
Acrobat Exchange V. 2.1 plus
Distiller and Exchange.   In a catalog from MacConnection there is a
listing of NEW! Adobe Acrobat Exchange 3.0, which includes Acrobat
Exchange, Acrobat Distiller, Acrobat Catalog. New Capture Plug-in ($199.95
for Mac or Windows versions).  It appears that Acrobat 3 replaced Acrobat
Pro 2.1, which previously had cost close to $500.  It appears that the cost
of the whole set was reduced, but the option to buy Acrobat Exchange 2
alone no longer seems to  exist, except for this special offer which
includes a free Acrobat V3.  My order was back-ordered, but I am hoping
that it will
come through, since for the price of the smaller set I can get a free
update to a more complete one.  I am particularly interested in having
Distiller, which translates Postscript to PDF, which I believe will be
useful, but I didn't want to pay close to $500 for its inclusion.
        Netscape has been battling with Microsoft for control of the world
wide web programs.   Netscape is ahead with something like 8o% of the web
users, but Microsoft has the money and is offering web software free of
charge.  For many e-mail users that may solve the problem of a web browser,
but that still leaves the need for a program to produce PDF.  Also, to
create line drawings one needs a drawing program of some sort.  What is
needed is a simple text editor with simple drawing capabilities suficient
to do simple origami drawings. I use Ready Set Go as a page layout program,
and it has some simple drawing instructions.  There may be others around.
James M. Sakoda.





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Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 22:47:53 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Na. (NAKANISHI Ken-ichi)" <nakanish@pd.scei.sony.co.jp>
Subject: Re: Toshikazu Kawasaki Rose

In mail <199609010016.UAA21918@mime3.prodigy.com>
    DBSH47B@prodigy.com (MRS. JANET J HAMILTON) wrote:
> So now I need a little clarification.  Please correct any of the
> following statements if I am wrong.  The rose diagrams that Winson has
> are NOT the rose in OftC.  Winson, as the diagrammer, must give
> permission to distribute his diagrams.  Kawasaki-san, as the creator,
> should be asked for permission, also.  From the message posted by
> NAKANISHI Ken-ichi, it seemed that Kawasaki-san was happy to have his
> models shared, as long as proper credit was given in the diagrams.
>
> So, if proper credit to Kawasaki-san is given in Winson's diagram, it
> looks like it is okay to have the diagrams posted.

Sure, I understand so, too.  Only one thing I think it should be
cared that the diagram wouldn't spoil the value of the original
model.

MAEKAWA Jun said that their creations are as sweet as their own
children.  I want to compress image files on the web as small as
possible as I'm a technical staff, but he wants to put larger and
clearer images as a creator.

--
nakanish@pd.scei.sony.co.jp (NAKANISHI Ken-ichi, not Kenichi Nakanishi)





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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 00:09:29 -0300 (ADT)
From: Bren Riesinger <fascfold@fascinating-folds.com>
Subject: Folding Tape - Thank You

Thanks to all who replied with this cry for help - both here on the list and
privately.  It does seem that currently this tape remains fairly elusive and
I'm glad that some is still available from Viereck Verlag in Germany.  I
will keep looking for an alternate material - hopefully with varying widths
and will let everyone know if I'm successful.

Regarding the lost papers - it seems that they are gone for good. (Very big
sigh) Thanks here, too, for all the messages from everyone - it was really
great to here from so many of you.

The Artisan Paper project has taken over my entire office - the paper is
everywhere! - and another box just arrived.  The greatest thing about this
business is that I have the ultimate excuse to play with the paper all day!  :-)

Happy folding -
        Bren
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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 01:05:00 -0300 (ADT)
From: chall@scsn.net (Carol Hall)
Subject: Re: Wet-Folding + Questions

>        *  Since the Marble paper is monochromatic, same color on both
>sides, is there a way of coloring one or both sides of the paper
>differently to make models which require color differences (for example,
>Montroll's "Zebra") without compromising the nature of the paper?  I'd love
>to have some of this stuff white on one side and black on the other, as
>well as a variety of other color combinations and variations.
>

Find a store which stocks supplies for teachers.  Among all of the flash
cards and cursive alphabets you will find a number of rolls of paper
intended for bulletin boards and classroom projects.  Fadeless Art Kraft
paper is one, but there are several.  Many of these are colored on one side,
white on the reverse, and they come in many colors.  It is heavier than kami
but not as heavy as Marble.  It wet folds nicely, although since it doesn't
have the same sizing content as Marble (and other "art" papers) the finished
model won't be quite as sturdy.

If you want to try coloring your own paper, you might try a waterproof ink.
Calligraphy inks come in many colors.  The waterproof ones contain shellac
(if it is not labelled waterproof, look for "contains shellac").
Non-waterproof ink might work as well, although your fingers might look odd
for a few days.  I recommend ink because it is less likely to alter the
foldability of the paper -- but the method of applying it I will leave to
you.  (I can foresee a long experimentation period!)

The other alternative, of course, is to backcoat one paper to another
(Marble to a lighter-weight paper or two ligher weight papers).  Let it dry
(stretch) and then wet fold the composite.  This is the method Yoshizawa
uses (well, not the Marble...)

Carol Hall
chall@scsn.net





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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 01:34:01 -0300 (ADT)
From: marckrsh@nyc.pipeline.com (Marc Kirschenbaum)
Subject: Re: Origami Convention pack.. "

On Sep 02, 1996 19:25:03, 'cathypl@generation.net (Cathy Palmer-Lister)'
wrote:

>>Hi everyone.  I just received my origami convention pack.
>

>What are these packs?  Am I missing out on something I should know
about??!!

In a word, yes. The main focus of these packs is the '96 Annual Collection,
which contains over 100 models. Also included are token items from the
recent 1996 OrigamiUSA convention, such as a t-shirt. You can contact
OrigamiUSA for more details.

Marc





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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 01:40:46 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: re: crane

Jim writes:

<< Classic Origami by P.D. Tuyen. It also has a crane
fold but it's even more confusing. It's quite a bit different in the
folding than the one above. >>

Tuyen's book title is misleading (not intentionally so, of
course): what he means by "Classic origami" in origami in
a "classic" style, i.e from uncut squares, etc. He doesn't
mean "classic" in the sense most folders would think of, i.e.
what's usually called "traditional", which is folds like the
crane, usually anonymouse, and essentially folk art. Tuyen's
book is about models he has developed himself, or from
rememembered folds from a somewhat different "tradition",
(he is Vietnamses).

So the crane in his book is not one of the "traditional"
or "classic" ones (the standard crane and the "flapping
bird".)

--valerie





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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 01:47:05 -0300 (ADT)
From: jdharris@post.cis.smu.edu (Jerry D. Harris)
Subject: Re: Wet-Folding + Questions

>Find a store which stocks supplies for teachers.  Among all of the flash
>cards and cursive alphabets you will find a number of rolls of paper
>intended for bulletin boards and classroom projects.  Fadeless Art Kraft
>paper is one, but there are several.  Many of these are colored on one side,
>white on the reverse, and they come in many colors.  It is heavier than kami
>but not as heavy as Marble.  It wet folds nicely, although since it doesn't
>have the same sizing content as Marble (and other "art" papers) the finished
>model won't be quite as sturdy.

        I'll give that one a shot.  Do you (or does anyone else) know of a
good applique for finished models that can waterproof as well as stiffen
them?  (I think we had a conversation about this several months ago, but
sadly, I've forgotten it all!)  8-S

>If you want to try coloring your own paper, you might try a waterproof ink.
>Calligraphy inks come in many colors.  The waterproof ones contain shellac
>(if it is not labelled waterproof, look for "contains shellac").
>Non-waterproof ink might work as well, although your fingers might look odd
>for a few days.  I recommend ink because it is less likely to alter the
>foldability of the paper -- but the method of applying it I will leave to
>you.  (I can foresee a long experimentation period!)

        I've contemplated this, but I've been worried about the ink
occupying some or all of the pore spaces in the paper, thus making it less
permeable to water, thus negating its utility in wet-folding!  I suppose
that, when I've got a lot of time (i.e., not in the foreseeable future), I
could toy with dying and then rinsing papers in hopes of dying only the
paper fibers, and not filling the pore spaces.  Has anyone tried this?  Or
know of a reference to such a procedure?

>The other alternative, of course, is to backcoat one paper to another
>(Marble to a lighter-weight paper or two ligher weight papers).  Let it dry
>(stretch) and then wet fold the composite.  This is the method Yoshizawa
>uses (well, not the Marble...)

        I've contemplated this, too, but I fear that, because Marble is
fairly thick as it is, back-coating would make it too thick to make some of
the complex models.  8-(  Doesn't Yoshizawa make all of his own paper, too?
Gee, maybe someday I'll have the liberty to sit down and play long enough
to _really_ understand the nature of paper!  Anyway, Carol, thanks for your
suggestions -- I'll give them a shot when I have a moment or twelve!  ;-)

Jerry D. Harris                       (214) 768-2750
Dept. of Geological Sciences          FAX:  (214) 768-2701
Southern Methodist University         jdharris@post.smu.edu
Box 750395                            (CompuServe:  73132,3372)
Dallas  TX  75275-0395

"Tyrannosaurs, though rarely seen, are certainly still around.
And no one knows just where or when the next one will be found."

                                  -- Calvin (aka Bill Watterson)
                                    .    .
                              .-_  /:\  /'\ .
                             /'''\/:::\/'''/:\
                         .---_'''/:::::\''/:::\----.
 .  .            .    .  \::: \''\:::::/''\:::/'__/_ .
 \\_\\_       /\/:\/\/:\/ \_:::\__\---/----\_/'/ :::/
  \ \\_\______\_\_/\/\_/\__\\_/    o  o  o  \_/::::/ ___ .
   \___\__________              o           o    \//''''/
                  \______     o                o   \''_/   _----_
                        \__  /     '            o  \/:\  / ....-/





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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 01:50:21 -0300 (ADT)
From: Shi-Yew Chen <sychen@leatherback.nist.gov>
Subject: Re: Abstract on virtual origami.

At 11:01 AM 9/1/96 -0300, Paul wrote:
>
>(1)   TI: AN ORIGAMI PLAYING SIMULATOR IN THE VIRTUAL SPACE

I would love to see this paper!

>Another point could be: Will origami as we know it be replaced by
>'folding' computerised models. Programs like the one above look as
>though this might be a (SLIGHT) possability. Think about how many
>traditional games are now computerised, e.g. reversi, chess, etc.
>It's getting hard to find the first of these examples in the toy
>shops. Then again, programs like this could save a hell of a lot of
>paper while trying to fold a Robert Lang insect...
>

I don't think origami would be replaced by virtual folding. Real people
still like to have a real touch of paper, do you? People are expecting to
have paperless office when computers come out. It turns out to be evan more
papers are used/dumped/printed than the days of no computers. I do see
computers help folders to communicate and demonstrate. I am expecting the
days computer help designer to diagram models easily and to create models
efficiently. Readers can follow direction easily and enjoy the interaction
fascinatingly.

Sy Chen
http://roger.ecn.purdue.edu/~sychen/origami/pprfld.htm





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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 02:18:01 -0300 (ADT)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Backcoating vs. Wet-Folding (was Re: Wet-Folding + Questions)

On Tue, 3 Sep 1996, Jerry D. Harris wrote:

> >The other alternative, of course, is to backcoat one paper to another
> >(Marble to a lighter-weight paper or two ligher weight papers).  Let it dry
> >(stretch) and then wet fold the composite.  This is the method Yoshizawa
> >uses (well, not the Marble...)
>
>         I've contemplated this, too, but I fear that, because Marble is
> fairly thick as it is, back-coating would make it too thick to make some of
> the complex models.  8-(  Doesn't Yoshizawa make all of his own paper, too?
> Gee, maybe someday I'll have the liberty to sit down and play long enough
> to _really_ understand the nature of paper!  Anyway, Carol, thanks for your
> suggestions -- I'll give them a shot when I have a moment or twelve!  ;-)

Backcoated papers work well for soft sculpting, of course! I've never
backcoated marble since I've yet to exhaust the wonderful possibilities of
washi. The best thing about backccoated washi is that the perspiration from
your hands is sufficient for sculpting since the paste between the layers
(and absorbed into the paper fibres) acts like extra sizing in the paper.
For examples of sculpted origami using backcoated washi, take a look at the
photo galleries on my origami page.

Incidentally, the story I heard about Yoshizawa's paper is that he does not
make his own (since making washi is VERY hard on the hands and would
probably render them useless for doing the sorts of soft sculpting that he
likes to do), but that there is a washi maker that supplies him
exclusively. Whether that means the gets his paper exclusively from this
particular maker, or if this maker only makes washi for Yoshizawa, I never
did get clear.

          Joseph Wu           For me, a poem is the crossroads of my thoughts,
  origami@planet.datt.co.jp   my feelings, my imaginings, my wishes and my
 Webmaster, the Origami Page  verbal sense: normally these run parallel.  Often
http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami two or more cross. But only when all cross at
 Webmaster, DATT Japan Inc.   one point do you get a poem - Bash! Whop! Klok!
    http://www.datt.co.jp     Doing! - Poem, Yippee!   --Philip Larkin, poet.





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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 02:39:39 -0300 (ADT)
From: fatboy <fatboy@main.aquanet.co.il>
Subject: Re: Origami Convention pack.. "

Marc Kirschenbaum wrote:
>
> You can contact  OrigamiUSA for more details.

Marc,

Do you have an address or email for OrigamiUSA? I am also interested in
this kit, as it is difficult for me to get to conventions in your part
of the world.

TIA,

Shalom LeVine
(Jerusalem, Israel)
fatboy@main.aquanet.co.il





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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 02:39:58 -0300 (ADT)
From: fatboy <fatboy@main.aquanet.co.il>
Subject: Re: Wet-Folding + Questions

Jerry D. Harris wrote:
>
>I'll give that one a shot.  Do you (or does anyone else) know of a
>good applique for finished models that can waterproof as well as stiffen
> them?  (I think we had a conversation about this several months ago, > but
     sadly, I've forgotten it all!)  8-S

There is a spray laquer that artists use on finished paintings that you
might try; its easy to apply, and should do a good job of  stiffening.
You should be able to buy it at any art supply store, and it's not
expensive.

Shalom LeVine
fatboy@main.aquanet.co.il





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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 02:58:28 -0300 (ADT)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: Wet-Folding + Questions

On Tue, 3 Sep 1996, fatboy wrote:

> Jerry D. Harris wrote:
> >I'll give that one a shot.  Do you (or does anyone else) know of a
> >good applique for finished models that can waterproof as well as stiffen
> > them?  (I think we had a conversation about this several months ago, > but
     sadly, I've forgotten it all!)  8-S
>
> There is a spray laquer that artists use on finished paintings that you
> might try; its easy to apply, and should do a good job of  stiffening.
> You should be able to buy it at any art supply store, and it's not
> expensive.

The problem with most spray laquers is that the carrier fluid absorbs very
easily into the paper, causing the creases to weaken and open.

          Joseph Wu           For me, a poem is the crossroads of my thoughts,
  origami@planet.datt.co.jp   my feelings, my imaginings, my wishes and my
 Webmaster, the Origami Page  verbal sense: normally these run parallel.  Often
http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami two or more cross. But only when all cross at
 Webmaster, DATT Japan Inc.   one point do you get a poem - Bash! Whop! Klok!
    http://www.datt.co.jp     Doing! - Poem, Yippee!   --Philip Larkin, poet.





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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 04:41:46 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Lauinger,p15" <Lauinger@06.bonn02.telekom400.dbp.de>
Subject: Tomoko Fuse CV

Hi,
everybody who has the English version of Fuse's "Origami
Boxes", published  can read a short CV. As far as I
remember (by heart) she was born in 1948, studied
mathematics and became ill at  the age of 12 (diphterie?).
At that time she got involved in origami.
As David mentioned she published a large number of books
(one problem: the same books are published by different
editors even in Japan, there are a "cheap" version and an
"expensive" one). BTW there are also video tapes "Origami
Boxes" and it is shown the trick how to complete a
hexagonal or octagonal or....box.

I had the chance to meet her twice. She is a wonderful lady
 a very good origami teacher and a specialist in modular
origami (look in her book "Unit Origami").

Currently I prefer her book "Gift Boxes" (written in
Katakana - Japanese syllable). This book (hard cover) was
published by NHK volume II. It is completly written in
Japanese and the system of showing the folds is quite
different from her former ones.

Happy folding

Doris





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Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 05:32:07 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Na. (NAKANISHI Ken-ichi)" <nakanish@pd.scei.sony.co.jp>
Subject: Re: TV Champion origami contest

The 2nd Origami Champion will be broadcast by TV Tokyo at 19:30
on September 19 JST.

--
nakanish@pd.scei.sony.co.jp (NAKANISHI Ken-ichi, not Kenichi Nakanishi)





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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 08:00:09 -0300 (ADT)
From: GURKEWITZ@WCSUB.CTSTATEU.EDU
Subject: Didier Boursin's address

Can someone send me Didier Boursin's address?

Thanks,
Rona





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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 10:39:54 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kjartan Clausen <kjartan@ii.uib.no>
Subject: Re: Origami Sayings (Cute T-shirts Discussion?)

On Mon, 12 Aug 1996 Dexteron2@aol.com wrote:

}Or there's always "Origamists do it between the sheets."
}
}maybe not...

Well, As a practicioner of aikido and origami both I have found what I think
is the perfect origami saying.

It's in my .sig......
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Kjartan Clausen                 Aikido is origami with people instead of paper
kjartan@ii.uib.no                               http://www.ii.uib.no/~kjartan/





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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 10:54:13 -0300 (ADT)
From: vann@tredgar.cardiff.com (VAnn Cornelius)
Subject: re: lacquer finishes

I found a clear finish called Accent-Layers by Koh-li-nor.
It is water soluble until it is dry.  That means I can use it
in my workroom without going outside.

The paper responds well to it and doesn't loose its 'paper-ness'.
For smaller things like boxes, I coat the paper before I fold it.

I found for one dish built from the blintz base, that coating
the paper that goes to the inside allowed me to shape the dish.

Some people have great looking models with Jolly GLaze.

V'Ann





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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 11:23:46 -0300 (ADT)
From: bob@maggie.pentek.com (Bob Sgandurra)
Subject: Jay Ansill's book

Hello Bren,

I was at your site this weekend and found that "Mythical Beings" was no longer
listed.  I'm sure this is not the first request but, do you have any copies
still 'around'.  I  picked up a copy for my nephew at the OUSA convention
this year and thought `I'll pick up a copy for myself another time'.  Bad idea.
Anyway just wondering if there was a way to order it through you.

Thanks,
Bob Sgandurra
bob@pentek.com





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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 12:00:35 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kristine Tomlinson <ktomlinson@platinum.com>
Subject: Re: Origami Day

Hi,

Thanks to Joseph Wu for his 28 August mention of November 11, Origami Day from
the Tanteidan newsletter.  That's one reference I hadn't come across.  When I
checked November 11 against my list of Chinese and Japanese festivals and
ceremonial uses of paper, I came across this (and unfortunately some sloppy note
taking!):

Mid-November (and/or??? first day of 10th month of Chinese year) is the third of
three festivals of death celebrated in some parts of China.  During this time
paper garments and (hell?) money are burned for the deceased to protect them
from the winter chill.

The source is probably Laurence G. Thompson, "Chinese Religion: An
Introduction", 1975.

No similar reference appeared under November for Japan, but perhaps there's a
connection.  This makes some sense, since the other two Chinese festivals do
appear in some form in Japan: New Year's and Little New Year (January 1,
around January 15) when the year's shrine papers are burned, and the Great
Purification (June 30, six months later), when paper dolls are rubbed against
the body to remove impurities, and then are left at shrines to be disposed of by
priests.

Thanks again for a most interesting tidbit!

Kristine
ktomlinson@platinum.com





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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 12:04:02 -0300 (ADT)
From: bob@maggie.pentek.com (Bob Sgandurra)
Subject: Re: Thanks, Em!

PenneyA@aol.com wrote:

 The points are not long enough to interlock!!  Anyone
> got any ideas for me?
>                                Penney

I know this is not really specific help but ... The first few roses I made
WOULD NOT LOCK.  Then after about the third of fourth one they started to
hold together.  I don't _think_ I changed my folding procedure, but 30-40
roses later they ALWAYS lock.  The bottom flaps get rounded into place,
not really folded, and I start 'rounding' these as high up as possible, at
the line where the flap begins.

Like I said, not really specific help, but ...

Happy folding.

Bob
bob@pentek.com





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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 12:52:39 -0300 (ADT)
From: bob@maggie.pentek.com (Bob Sgandurra)
Subject: Re: Jay Ansill's book

Sorry all,

the previous email was meant for Bren at Facinating folds. A classic
case of sending email before that first cup of coffee!

Bob





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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 13:08:38 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Origami Convention pack.. "

One thing Marc didn't mention:

The Convention Annual (the big book of diagrams) is
available from OrigamiUSA as long as supplies last,
but the the rest of the pack can only be ordered for
a limited time *BEFORE* the Annual Convention (July).

It is intended to console those of us who couldn't go
to the Conventions, so besides the Annual book, it
includes a Convention T-shirt, button, schedule, list
of attendees, misc. other info, hand-outs, and packages
of neat paper & foil. (All the stuff that convention
goers get.) Definitely worth having, but you'll have
to wait til next year. I believe you also have to be
a member of OUSA to get the pack, also. But that's
something many do anyway, even if we can't get to
New York. (You get the newletter, 10% discount on
supplies and books, other good stuff.)

Some back issues of the Convention Annual (formerly called
Model by Members) are still available, too, from the OUSA
supply center.

I'm getting a little anxious, as mine hasn't shown up yet.
Has anyone on the West Coast gotten their Convention Pack yet?

--valerie





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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 13:45:43 -0300 (ADT)
From: fatboy <fatboy@main.aquanet.co.il>
Subject: Re: Wet-Folding + Questions

Joseph Wu wrote:

> The problem with most spray laquers is that the carrier fluid absorbs very
> easily into the paper, causing the creases to weaken and open.Joseph,

 Hmm... that would be a problem; Thanks for the clarification. I'll see
what I can come up with, I am going to try some wet folding very soon,
so I'll experiment a bit.

Shalom LeVine
fatboy@main.aquanet.co.il





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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 13:50:18 -0300 (ADT)
From: Yusri Johan <gs01yyj@panther.Gsu.EDU>
Subject: Another Origami Drawing Program

Hi All,
        The following message is originally posted by Zachary Brown in
the Alt.Arts.Origami.  With his permission, I am reposting it here
because I am sure some of you will find it interesting.

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From: zbrown@lynx.dac.neu.edu (zachary brown)
Newsgroups: alt.arts.origami,alt.sex.strip-clubs
Subject: ANNOUNCE: Rod, an origami diagramming planguage
Date: 2 Sep 1996 19:23:54 -0400
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NOTE: although rod is available at the website mentioned below, it's
not yet ready for anything other than hacking around. But I'm posting
this anyway to get reactions. What do you think an origami diagramming
language should do?

Zack

                 ROD origami drawing language for the masses
                                Version: 004
                Author: Zack Brown (zbrown@lynx.dac.neu.edu)

Rod is a wrapper for oridraw. Hopefully it provides a more friendly language
to go along with oridraw's wonderful graphics routines. Rod is to oridraw as
C is to assembly. You can get it at
http://lynx.dac.neu.edu/home/httpd/z/zbrown/origami

Rod runs under perl 5, so to use rod, you must have perl 5 as well as the
oridraw programs.

Rod attempts to address several problems in the oridraw language. It gives
an unlimited number of multi-letter variables (oridraw only gives 26). It
allows enhanced mathematical and geometric transformations, including access
to the full power of the perl language. It is also more readable and
flexible in terms of writing style. I want rod to make diagramming easy.

As of yet, not all of oridraw's functions have been duplicated. This will
gradually cease to be the case. Even so, there is a lot that can be done
with rod as it stands.

WARNING: I don't consider rod to be fully ready. This release is mainly to
get people's reactions, what they think is missing, and what could be
improved (as well as, I'm sure, a lot of bug reports). So, since the
features may be in flux for awhile yet, don't go writing tons of models in
rod just yet. But do try it out and tell me what you think.

Here are the specifications of rod it stands

                             GENERAL INFORMATION

Commands take the form of a keyword followed by arguments in curly braces.
There can be spaces and newlines anywhere in a command (though none are
required), so long as they don't split a keyword or variable. A keyword
(including user defined commands) is composed only of letters and the
underscore.

A variable is a group of letters or numbers. The first character of a
variable cannot be a number. Case is significant, so 'xcoord' is not the
same as 'Xcoord'

A comment is initiated by a # and extends to the end of the line. All
comments are ignored by the processor, as are blank lines.

An argument can be a number, a variable, or another command. Some commands
return more than one number, for example a set of coordinates. These are
interpreted correctly.

There are some special variables that already have values you can modify
later. They are:

    linelength (default = 30) -- this is the number of text characters that
    can fit on each line under a diagram.

    diagram (starts at 1) -- this contains the number that will be used by
    the following 'next' command unless you give next a different argument.
    It increments automatically with each empty 'next' command

                            COMMAND DESCRIPTIONS

There are several types of commands: Those that return a single number,
those that return a set of two numbers (i.e. coordinates), those that
perform drawing commands and don't return anything at all, and miscellaneous
functions like variable assignments, reading separate files as data, or
accessing perl itself.

                      Those That Return A Single Number

getangle
    {
    x1, y1,
    x2, y2,
    x3, y3
    }

Rotating along the axis of (x2,y2), counterclockwise from the first line
(x1,y1)-(x2,y2) to the second (x2,y2)-(x3,y3), this returns the angle in
degrees.

---

getlength
    {
    x1, y1,
    x2, y2
    }

Returns the length of the line (x1,y1)-(x2,y2)

---

getx
    {
    x1, y1,
    x2, y2,
        y3
    }

On the imaginary line (x1,y1)-(x2,y2), this function returns the x-location
of a point whose y-location equals y3

---

gety
    {
    x1, y1,
    x2, y2,
    x3
    }

Same as getx{}, only it returns a y-location

---

xcoord
    {
    xy
    }

Returns the x-value of a set of coordinates stored in a single variable with
the form "x,y" (the form returned by the two-value functions.

---

ycoord
    {
    xy
    }

Same as xcoord, but returns the y-value.

                   Those That Return A Set Of Two Numbers

angle
    {
    degree,
    length,
    [c,cc],
    x1, y1,
    x2, y2
    }

Rotating clockwise or counterclockwise (c or cc) around the second set of
coordinates (x2,y2) of the line (x1,y1)-(x2,y2), this returns the endpoint
of a line of the specified length.

---

intersect
    {
    x1, y1,
    x2, y2,
    x3, y3,
    x4, y4
    }

Returns the coordinates of the intersection between (x1,y1)-(x2,y2) and
(x3,y3)-(x4,y4)

                              Drawing Commands

arrow
    {
    [c,cc],
    curvature,
    x1, y1,
    x2, y2
    }

Draw an arrow, clockwise or counter clockwise, with the specified curvature

---

curve
    {
    [c,cc],
    curvature,
    x1, y1,
    x2, y2}

Draw a curve, clockwise or counter clockwise, with the specified curvature

---

header
    {
    title,
    author,
    year,
    month,
    day
    }

Gives essential information to oridraw. The year should be four digits, the
month and day should be two. This function must come before any other
drawing functions.

---

line
    {
    x1, y1,
    x2, y2
    }

Draw a line

---

mountain
    {
    x1, y1,
    x2, y2
    }

Draw a mountain fold

---

next
    {
    [number]
    }

begins a new diagram, with an optional specified number. If left out, the
number rises automatically, in the special variable 'diagram', initialized
to 1 when the program starts.

---

text
    {
    words
    }

Properly format however many lines of text and write them under the diagram.
Precede variable names with a $ to substitute their values in the text.
Multiple text{} commands can be given in the same diagram, and the results
will be properly formatted.

---

valley
    {
    x1, y1,
    x2, y2
    }

Draw a valley fold

                           Miscellaneous Commands

assign
    {
    var, 10
    }

Set var equal to 10. Also var{10} accomplishes the same thing, if var is not
the name of another command.

---

include
    {
    filename, filename, ...
    }

Read in another file and interpret it as standard input

---

perl
    {
    block of perl statements
    }

Execute the block as perl code, returning the final value

---

raw
    {
    block of oridraw statements
    }

Print the block directly to the output, as oridraw commands.

---

recall
    {
    var
    }

Reinterpres a saved block.

---

save
    {
    var, block
    }

Save the block of commands to be reused at any time with recall{}. It
expands all variables immediately, so altering a relevant will not effect
what happens when the block is recalled.

---

sub
    {
    name,
    block
    }

Define a new subroutine.

---

var
    {
    10
    }

Set var equal to 10 (shortcut for assign{})





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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 14:13:39 -0300 (ADT)
From: Wayne Ko <Herman_Ko@mindlink.bc.ca>
Subject: Re:  Thanks Em (Hints for Kawasaki Rose)

Here are some of my personal hints for the Kawasaki Rose.  Others may want
to elaborate.  The diagrams in OftC are not the best and the rose is more
difficult since it is 3D and shown in 2D.  However, the effort is well worth
it since the model is absolutely gorgeous - it is one of my favorite.

Step 8: (twist fold)  Do this step in the air instead of on the table.
Pleat fold the diagonals along the other edge of the paper first.  The paper
should rise up like a cone with the small square in the middle of the paper
as the vertex (tip).  Turn/twist the little square and flatten.  The result
should be as shown in step 9.

Step 11-13:  The key to this sequence of folds is the corner P1.  I fold
corner P1 first and then flatten the left side of the flap against the
model.  Finally, I wrap the triangular flap around as shown in the diagram.
(I personally find it easier to get the rose into shape and interlock if I
valley fold the bottom edge where the thumb is in the diagram up a little
bit at a slight diagonal first before wrapping the triangular flap around.

Step 15:  Fold the first flap down, then the 2nd, then the 3rd one on top of
the other,  Finally slide the last flap into the hole underneath the 1st
flap and the model should lock into place.

Other hints:  It takes a bit of practice and patience.  Also, use a thin
flexible piece of paper instead of a thick/stiff one.

Good luck,  Wayne

- - - -

>I recieved the Rose and I thank you for it but I have tried and tried and am
>so close but not close enough.  I am having a heck of a time trying to swirl
>the diagonal creases around.  Two times I actually got something that looked
>like petals but the part where you turn the rose upside down doesn't work out
>quite right either.  The points are not long enough to interlock!!  Anyone
>got any ideas for me?
>                               Penney





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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 14:36:47 -0300 (ADT)
From: contract@nyc.pipeline.com (Contractors Exchange)
Subject: Re: Origami Convention pack.. "

On Sep 03, 1996 02:39:39, 'fatboy <fatboy@main.aquanet.co.il>' wrote:

>
>Marc,
>
>Do you have an address or email for OrigamiUSA? I am also interested in
>this kit, as it is difficult for me to get to conventions in your part
>of the world.
--

As Valerie stated, the convention pack is probably not available (as a
package), but the items contained in it should still be available.

The address (as per the FAQ), is:

OrigamiUSA
15 West 77th Street
New York, NY 10024-5192





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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 15:03:14 -0300 (ADT)
From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@empnet.com>
Subject: Re: Fuse Boxes: Book Recommendation?

At 01:02 PM 8/31/96 -0300, you wrote:
>Hello all,
>
>I see that Fantastic Folds has 3 books by Fuse related to boxes:
>
>Origami Boxes
>Quick & Easy Origami Boxes
>Joyful Origami Boxes
>
>What are the differences...?

If you're a raw beginner, Quick & Easy Origami Boxes is the best choice
IMHO.  It comes with a small supply of paper and the 'book' is actually
wirebound cards which can be propped up as you go through each step.  Many
of the same models in the Q&EOB are in Origami Boxes, and some are repeated
in Joyful Origami.  As far as I'm concerned all three are well worth
acquiring; each contains unique and stunning designs.  Can you tell I'm a
huge Fuse fan?!  Have fun!!

Cheers,

Steve Woodmansee,
stevew@empnet.com





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Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 15:21:20 -0300 (ADT)
From: Nick Robinson <nick@homelink.demon.co.UK>
Subject: Plea to quote selected text!

Hi all, can I point out a few small points of netiquette? I offer these
in a positive way, admitting that I'm not the finest of examples, but I
do try!

When quoting mail, *please* try to only quote the bits you need to make
the reply intelligible. Quite a few mails have had more quote than
reply! If you can't highlight relevant quotes, quote the lot & remove
the irrelevant bits - it makes mail download so much quicker!

Where a personal reply is more appropriate, please do so, even if it
takes a bit more effort. Try not to send "me too!" or "I agree!"
replies, unless privately...

If your message is long, please put some empty lines in to split it up -
makes for much easier reading...

Thanks for those who responded to the BOS booklets survey currently on
at the BOS web site (address below).

Watch for a stressed-up report of the convention here in Sheffield the
weekend after next, I'm organising it single-handed :(

all the best,

Nick Robinson
email   nick@homelink.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/nick
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
DART homepage   http://www.shef.ac.uk/uni/projects/oip/dart/index.html
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk





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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 15:24:12 -0300 (ADT)
From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@empnet.com>
Subject: Re: Origami Convention pack.. "

re:  Origami convention pack. ..
>What are these packs?  Am I missing out on something I should know about??!!
>
>
>    Cathy
>
I have the same question.  Is it too late to order these?

Cheers,

Steve Woodmansee,
stevew@empnet.com





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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 15:48:34 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kim Best <Kim.Best@m.cc.utah.edu>
Subject: Re: Another Origami Drawing Program

On Tue, 3 Sep 1996, Yusri Johan wrote:

> From: zbrown@lynx.dac.neu.edu (zachary brown)
> Newsgroups: alt.arts.origami,alt.sex.strip-clubs
                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Subject: ANNOUNCE: Rod, an origami diagramming planguage

One dumb question.  Why in the world would this be posted in
alt.sex.strip-clubs?  This is where they discuss nudie bars isn't it?
Or is something going on in these places I don't know about?

Maybe Marc's "The Missionary" model has started something.

Kim Best                            *******************************
                                    *          Origamist:         *
Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   * Some one who thinks paper   *
420 Chipeta Way #120                * thin, means thick and bulky *
Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         *******************************





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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 17:13:09 -0300 (ADT)
From: Paul Slater <P.Slater@swansea.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Origami Day + sheffield plug

Kristine just wrote:

 "During this time paper garments and (hell?) money are burned for the
deceased to protect them from the winter chill."

If I'm not too wrong, nuggets are also folded from ceremonial paper
and burnt during this period, and at funerals.

(probably) This particular fold will be taught sometime at the BOS
conference in shefield in a couple of weekends time... by this 'ere
bloke. ;) There's a big pile of the chinese paper available for this
purpose.

Hope to see you all there,

Paul.





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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 18:28:21 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kristine Tomlinson <ktomlinson@platinum.com>
Subject: Symbolism

Re: Symbolism in Origami

As I'm still just catching up with my Origami-L digest reading and am missing a
few of the latest ones, I hope the points below haven't already been made, or
are too late to add to the symbolism discussion brought up again by David Lister
and carried forward by so many of you.  (Some of the following I've shared
off-line; one of you will find the content familiar :-) )

The software company I work for used to be an artificial intelligence company
(no jokes, please!). The developer of the software's natural language interface
and I used to have impromtu discussions of AI, science, art, and Buddhism.  He's
a brilliant man who is constantly exploring art, music, vision, language,
movement, and on and on with the idea of programming computers or robots to
think, recognize, and learn as humans do. An example he gave was that computers
can be programmed to create music using typical rules of composition, but what
determines what is good or bad music?  It's the same with art, as one of you
pointed out earlier.

When I showed this coworker Peter Engel's "Origami: from Angelfish to Zen", he
got very excited and showed it to his other AI buddies who were also very
enthusiastic.  (Interestingly, enough, he never once made a model, but spent
several months just studying the diagrams.)   He saw origami as a shorthand or
language for defining and recognizing things that could be translated for the
computer.  Engel, in fact, mentions the Origami Instruction Language (OIL),
although I've never seen any references to it since.

One example I like to give is what makes an acceptable cow? Horns, a head, four
legs, and tail, or will Randlett's three-legged model from the 1960's do?  My
reason for bringing this up, is that from the standpoint of "symbolic
recognition", origami and artificial intellegence may have a lot to teach one
another.

Another area my friend studied was the act of creation and the phases involved.
Although, not an original origami designer, I was actually able to map out with
words and a flow chart the events and process I went through when I conceived,
designed, and executed my one and only model -- a Pennsylvania Dutch distlefink
(spelling?) or two-headed dove.   It correlated exactly to the rough model of
creativity that local AI investigators have come up with.  If there's interest,
I can try and dig out my diagram and post the jist of it.

Have any of you programmer-folders explored the origami-AI connection?

Kristine





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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 18:38:15 -0300 (ADT)
From: marckrsh@nyc.pipeline.com (Marc Kirschenbaum)
Subject: Re: Another Origami Drawing Program

On Sep 03, 1996 15:48:34, 'Kim Best <Kim.Best@m.cc.utah.edu>' wrote:

>On Tue, 3 Sep 1996, Yusri Johan wrote:
>
>> From: zbrown@lynx.dac.neu.edu (zachary brown)
>> Newsgroups: alt.arts.origami,alt.sex.strip-clubs
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> Subject: ANNOUNCE: Rod, an origami diagramming planguage
>
>One dumb question.  Why in the world would this be posted in
>alt.sex.strip-clubs?  This is where they discuss nudie bars isn't it?
>Or is something going on in these places I don't know about?

It sounds as if you have not been to alt.arts.origami recently. To keep you
abreast of everything, I will relay the story of the origami-strip club
connection. About a week ago, the people at alt.sex.strip-clubs decided to
have some fun by cross-posting over to the most straight-laced group they
could think of. After a bit of deliberation, they settled on origami. The
guys at ASS-C were not quite prepared for the responce from AAO. After a
few well crafted posts (primarily from Zack Brown and myself, we have
managed to turn the guys at ASS-C into origami converts. They have made a
few serious origami postings, and expressed interest in places where they
could see origami. I was impressed by how quickly they assimilated the
origami terminology. Also, for those of you on the list who happen to
frequent srtip clubs, you should be aware you now will have a free entry if
you arrive wearing an origami model (at least at the clubs endorsed by
ASS-C).

>
>Maybe Marc's "The Missionary" model has started something.

They did seem to like that one; I wonder why?

Marc





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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 19:06:44 -0300 (ADT)
From: Gordon Crane <gordonc@mnsinc.com>
Subject: Kim's Crane Web Page

Kim's Crane, a supplier of supplies for origami now has a Web page.
http://www.mnsinc.com/gordonc  Please check out this site for papers,
books, and other items.

There is Elephant Hide paper, holographic prism papers, foils, doll
kits, washi papers, and many more items.

Happy browsing;
Gordon and Kimberly
http://www.mnsinc.com/gordonc





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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 20:37:49 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Ole A. Nielsen" <nielseno@knot.queensu.ca>
Subject: Help!  dbwalker

Hi everyone,

My system screwed up, so I am missing some messsages. One thing I lost was
the address of dbwalker  (?) who just found a copy of Jay Ansill's book
MYTHICAL BEINGS. Could he please write either to origami-l or to me
personally with his address?

Thanks a lot and sorry,
Janet Nielsen





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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 20:41:27 -0300 (ADT)
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: Re: stringing cranes for plaques

Hi all,  Thanks Gretchen for your hints on stringing cranes.
Would appreciate more ideas on stringing cranes.  I have never yet attempted
it but perhaps someone can give me directions for doing this.  Would
appreciate any help anyone has to offer..  Affoldingly,Dorigami





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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 21:15:42 -0300 (ADT)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: Another Origami Drawing Program

On Tue, 3 Sep 1996, Marc Kirschenbaum wrote:

> On Sep 03, 1996 15:48:34, 'Kim Best <Kim.Best@m.cc.utah.edu>' wrote:
> >
> >One dumb question.  Why in the world would this be posted in
> >alt.sex.strip-clubs?  This is where they discuss nudie bars isn't it?
> >Or is something going on in these places I don't know about?

Also, about a year and a half ago, someone forwarded me a note from that
newsgroup. One of the ASS-C people was telling his buddies to go to my
origami page to find instructions on how to make some origami since it's
such a good way to get to know the strippers.

          Joseph Wu           For me, a poem is the crossroads of my thoughts,
  origami@planet.datt.co.jp   my feelings, my imaginings, my wishes and my
 Webmaster, the Origami Page  verbal sense: normally these run parallel.  Often
http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami two or more cross. But only when all cross at
 Webmaster, DATT Japan Inc.   one point do you get a poem - Bash! Whop! Klok!
    http://www.datt.co.jp     Doing! - Poem, Yippee!   --Philip Larkin, poet.





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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 21:40:39 -0300 (ADT)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: Origami Day

On Tue, 3 Sep 1996, Kristine Tomlinson wrote:

> Thanks to Joseph Wu for his 28 August mention of November 11, Origami Day from
> the Tanteidan newsletter.  That's one reference I hadn't come across.  When I
> checked November 11 against my list of Chinese and Japanese festivals and
> ceremonial uses of paper, I came across this (and unfortunately some sloppy
> note taking!):

No problem. You should get this list onto the Web! I've got space, if
you're interested. 8)

> Mid-November (and/or??? first day of 10th month of Chinese year) is the third
     of

The two dates are equivalent. The months of the Chinese year usually are
about 1-2 months "behind" those of the Gregorian year. The actual
difference depends on matching of the phases of the moon to the solar
calendar, since the Chinese year is based on a lunar calendar.

> three festivals of death celebrated in some parts of China.  During this time
> paper garments and (hell?) money are burned for the deceased to protect them
> from the winter chill.

Yes, it is called "hell money" in English. In fact, you can actually buy
"hell money" that is printed with the "official" Bank of Hell mark on it.

          Joseph Wu           For me, a poem is the crossroads of my thoughts,
  origami@planet.datt.co.jp   my feelings, my imaginings, my wishes and my
 Webmaster, the Origami Page  verbal sense: normally these run parallel.  Often
http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami two or more cross. But only when all cross at
 Webmaster, DATT Japan Inc.   one point do you get a poem - Bash! Whop! Klok!
    http://www.datt.co.jp     Doing! - Poem, Yippee!   --Philip Larkin, poet.





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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 22:44:27 -0300 (ADT)
From: PenneyA@aol.com
Subject: Re: Origami Convention pack.. "

Well Valerie, I am not from the west coast, I am from Michigan and haven't
recieved my convention pack yet either.  But there must be hope because they
are slowly trickling in to others on this list.  Maybe by the next
convention?
                            Penney





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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 22:50:56 -0300 (ADT)
From: PenneyA@aol.com
Subject: Re: Thanks Em (Hints for Kawasaki Rose)

Wayne, (and everyone else who gave me hints)
     You guys are great.  I have finally succeeded in making the rose.  It
needs refining and I don't know how I figured it out but I know what helped.
 My kids were gone all labor day weekend so I could sit at the kitchen table
for hours uninterrupted.  It was a feeling of major accomplishment to get it
done.  But the hints will help me alot in making it look neater and crisper(
more rose like).  Thanks again to all of you.
         Penney





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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 02:05:20 -0300 (ADT)
From: carpentr@market1.com (Andy Carpenter)
Subject: Introduction & thank you

Hi

I have been silently listening to you all for a couple of months now & finally
I have decided to join in the discussions.

As I have been listening I have picked up many useful tips & pieces of
information for which I would like to say thanks. I have been folding for
less than a year & particularly like Kawasaki, Lang & Brill amongst others.
The tips on Kawasaki's rose have proved most useful.

A month ago someone suggested contacting The Internet Bookshop
(http://www.bookshop.co.uk/) to obtain a copy of 'Origami for the
Connoisseur' by Kasahara. I did just that & today a brand new copy arrived
through the post. Thank you to whoever offered the advice to begin with.

For those of you in the States(and perhaps other countries too) who can't
afford the cost of paying British prices (18.50 pounds + shipping - my
american keyboard doesn't have the correct symbol) may I suggest the
following. Use inter-library loan facilities at your public library &
they'll track down and get a copy for you to borrow. Originally I did just
that. I also used inter-library loan to obtain a copy of
an article called 'Crystallographic Flat Origamis' by Kawasaki & Yoshida
printed in an obscure periodical in 1988. For those of you interested in
Kawasakis work and/or the math behind origami, this is an interesting
article. Email me offline if you want more info. I have also used CARL
(http://www.carl.org/lpart.html) as a jumping board to various public
libraries in the USA where you can access their catalog via Telnet. For
example I found the Los Angeles public library has 163 origami books from,
amongst others, Yoshizawa, Kasahara, Ansill etc. These should all be
available using inter-library loan. For those of you not in the
States...maybe your public library system has something similar to offer.
Again if you want more info...email me offline.

Keep folding, offering tips etc.

Cheers

Andy
