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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 02:11:10 -0300 (ADT)
From: Laurie Bisman <lbisman@sirranet.co.nz>
Subject: RE: Kiwi model

I have a kiwi model (from birdbase) which was created in the 70's if anyone
     wants it.

Laurie Bisman
lbisman@sirranet.co.nz (New Zealand)





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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 02:53:41 -0300 (ADT)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: RE: Kiwi model

On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Laurie Bisman wrote:

> I have a kiwi model (from birdbase) which was created in the 70's if anyone
     wants it.

I wonder how similar all of these bird-based kiwi models are? The one that
I know (attributed to Steven Casey) seemed to be the only "logical" way of
doing a kiwi from a bird base. And, following Robert Lang's comment about
fudging dimensions to come up with a visually pleasing (as opposed to
technically anatomically correct), that particular kiwi is not "correct" in
that sense, but leaves the viewer with no doubt whatsoever that it is a
kiwi (assuming they know what a kiwi is...).

          Joseph Wu           | There are no ordinary people. You have never
  origami@planet.datt.co.jp   | talked to a mere mortal. Nations, cultures,
 Webmaster, the Origami Page  | arts, civilisations--these are mortal....
http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami | But it is immortals whom we joke with, work
  Webmaster, DATT Japan Inc.  | with, marry, snub, and exploit....
    http://www.datt.co.jp     | --C.S. Lewis, "The Weight of Glory"





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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 05:16:34 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Lauinger,p15" <Lauinger@06.bonn02.telekom400.dbp.de>
Subject: Origami books

Everybody looking for Japanese origami book
should go to KINOKUNIYA (a Japanese bookstore chain).
They are in San Francisco (Nihonbashi) and =

in New York, , in Toronto, and I don't know =

where.

For these coming to Tokyo should go to a big bookstore (I =

forgot the name) in Shinjuku, Meiji dori =

(street name), subway exit =A3 6 or 7. =

Tomoko Fuse's books are published in two different =

editions in Japanese:  The cover and book size are =

different and the price, too. =

Happy folding
Doris





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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 06:41:24 -0300 (ADT)
From: Laurie Bisman <lbisman@sirranet.co.nz>
Subject: RE: Kiwi model

I was prompted to fold my kiwi after seeing the only fold around (at the
time) called a kiwi, which looked more like a penguin to me. I decided to
fold a kiwi that actually looked like a kiwi.

Laurie Bisman
lbisman@sirranet.co.nz

----------
From:   Joseph Wu[SMTP:origami@planet.datt.co.jp]
Sent:   Monday, 19 August 1996 02:53
To:     Multiple recipients of list
Subject:        RE: Kiwi model

On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Laurie Bisman wrote:

> I have a kiwi model (from birdbase) which was created in the 70's if
anyone wants it.

I wonder how similar all of these bird-based kiwi models are? The one that
I know (attributed to Steven Casey) seemed to be the only "logical" way of
doing a kiwi from a bird base. And, following Robert Lang's comment about
fudging dimensions to come up with a visually pleasing (as opposed to
technically anatomically correct), that particular kiwi is not "correct" in
that sense, but leaves the viewer with no doubt whatsoever that it is a
kiwi (assuming they know what a kiwi is...).

          Joseph Wu           | There are no ordinary people. You have
never
  origami@planet.datt.co.jp   | talked to a mere mortal. Nations, cultures,
 Webmaster, the Origami Page  | arts, civilisations--these are mortal....
http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami | But it is immortals whom we joke with, work
  Webmaster, DATT Japan Inc.  | with, marry, snub, and exploit....
    http://www.datt.co.jp     | --C.S. Lewis, "The Weight of Glory"





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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 09:57:22 -0300 (ADT)
From: Brett Askinazi <askinazi@i1.net>
Subject: Re: '96 Convention Packages?

Do you have to be a member of OUSA to get this package ?   And if not what
exactly is in it ?

BrettAndJill
askinazi@i1.net
----------
> From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@dorsai.dorsai.org>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <origami-l@nstn.ca>
> Subject: Re: '96 Convention Packages?
> Date: Saturday, August 17, 1996 8:52 PM
>
> >
> > Have the "sorry can't attend" OUSA Convention
> > packages started arriving anywhere yet?
> >
> I'm still waiting for mine.
>
> --
> Sheldon Ackerman.......http://www.dorsai.org/~ackerman/
> ackerman@dorsai.dorsai.org





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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 10:10:57 -0300 (ADT)
From: Brett Askinazi <askinazi@i1.net>
Subject: Re: Mithical Beings

As far as I know it already has been listed as out of print.  I tried to
order it through a local bookstore and that is what they told me.

BrettAndJill
askinazi@i1.net
----------
> From: Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com
> To: Multiple recipients of list <origami-l@nstn.ca>
> Subject: re: Mithical Beings
> Date: Friday, August 16, 1996 6:21 PM
>
> Jay Ansill's _Mythical Beasts_ has recently been appearing in
> remainder bins in the Boston area*. Hurry and find your copy, for this
> will probably soon be amongst the out-of-print...
>
> *If you're in the Boston area and interested, I have seen this in the
> remainder craft section at New England Mobile Book Fair in Newton.
>
> Lisa
> Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com





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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 10:26:45 -0300 (ADT)
From: Robert Bossy <rbossy@Email.ENST.Fr>
Subject: large origami

a friend of mine needs a large origami (a 2 meters crane).
I need some advice:
How heavy must be the paper?
Is the size of the complete origami proportionnal to the size of the initial
     paper?
Is it possible to do it alone?
thanks for your help.





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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 11:36:04 -0300 (ADT)
From: Nick Robinson <nick@homelink.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Nick Robinson's Fishy

Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com> sez

>Haven't I seen your tessellating Fish on someone's web site, along with
>a dozen or so of your other diagrams?

Yes!

>Is it Alex Barber's?

Is what Alex Barber's?

>..how do fish tessellate? :-)

They choose the right plaice for it....

all the best,

Nick Robinson
email           nick@homelink.demon.co.uk
homepage        www.rpmrecords.co.uk/nick
BOS homepage    www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    www.rpmrecords.co.uk





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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 12:43:07 -0300 (ADT)
From: Basyrett@aol.com
Subject: Re: LIFE's Miniconvention

Congratulations to Rachel Katz and all the members of LIFE
on your mini convention on Sunday August 18th.
I had a great time and am sorry I couldn't stay longer.
Mark-  loved the Leaping Willy,
Kay and partner - thanks for the wonderful box...  see you at OCEAN Folders
Gay - loved talking with you, as usual
Rachel - great job

Barbara Syrett  :-)





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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 14:33:56 -0300 (ADT)
From: Sheila Davis <sew@hpfisew.fc.hp.com>
Subject: Re: convention packs

Dee wrote:
> I haven't gotten my "sorry"pack, either... I "heard" someone in CA got their
> annual -- she didn't buy the whole pack -- perhaps they send them in waves?
>
        This is likely the case.  I also ordered only the annual, and it
        arrived a couple of weeks ago.  It probably takes more time to put
        together the full packs.

Regards,

  Sheila Davis        Hewlett-Packard IC Business Division
 sew@hpfisew.fc.hp.com          Fort Collins, Colorado





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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 14:52:41 -0300 (ADT)
From: mike <76003.3034@compuserve.com>
Subject: Leis

Are there any good Origami leis(hope I spelled it right)? I have a Hawaiian
feast to goto.

                                                       Mike
                                                       76003.3034@compuserve.com





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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 15:45:12 -0300 (ADT)
From: RA Kennedy <kennedra@isdugp.bham.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Nick Robinson's Fishy

>
> Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com> sez
>
> >Haven't I seen your tessellating Fish on someone's web site, along with
> >a dozen or so of your other diagrams?
>
> Yes!

I'm not quite sure why Nick has omitted the addresses, but for anyone who'd
like to see the fish, they are on Alex Bateman's site, and also on the BOS
site at rpmrecords:

http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/nickpix/tessfish.gif

http://www.mrc-cpe.cam.ac.uk/jong/agb/fish.gif

Don't be so bashful next time, Nick!

> >Is it Alex Barber's?
>
> Is what Alex Barber's?

Good guess, but the answer is Alex Bateman.

For another tessellating fish, see "Origami, Pure and Simple" by Robert
Neale and Tom Hull.

I have seen other tesselating objects - arrows, swans ... I'll try to find

Richard K.
(R.A.Kennedy@bham.ac.uk)





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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 16:54:23 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Nick Robinson's Fishy

<< Good guess, but the answer is Alex Bateman >>

Obviously, I'm getting too old for multi-tasking :-)
That's the second name in a week I've scrambled
due to trying to read/answer email while on
hold for tech support. Or maybe the ghastly
music-on-hold is contribulting to brain-rot...  :-)

--valerie





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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 16:54:01 -0300 (ADT)
From: Gisela Schneider <giselas@hrz.uni-bielefeld.de>
Subject: cube

I am a bit embarrassed  to send such a simple request to such advanced
Origami experts, but I do hope that you can help me along.

I found quite a few very good books on Origami here in Germany but I
am looking for one model that may just be too simple to appear in any
of them.
If any of you has seen the Film "James and the Giant Peach" (correct
translation?? I just had a guess) you may recall the 3D-cube he folds
and uses as a balloon near the beginning of the story. I want to fold
it but as I said above, while I found a lot of wonderful and
complicated models to fold I didn't find the cube anywhere.
Please help me.

And 2:
Are there any Germans on the list? I'd like to exchange information
on books, models, meetings, paper stores etc. with them since the US
information (apart from mail-order book stores) does not help me a
lot.
Please mail me personally

A newbie to the list and quasi-beginner in Origami

Gisela
--------------------------------------------------------
giselas@hrz.uni-bielefeld.de

            "Everyone you see leaves a mark on your soul
            Everyone you bear leaves a mark on your soul
           Everyone you touch leaves a mark on your soul
          Everyone you love   leaves a mark on your soul"





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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 17:03:46 -0300 (ADT)
From: jtweres@psp.ih.lucent.com
Subject: Books For Sale

fellow folders,,,

one of my friends just gave me copies
of two money-folding books that i already have

SO
  i'm offering the following two books for sale
  and i would like to sell them as a set (and therefore one sales transaction)

Magic of Folding Money by Bill Caruba
Folding Money Book by Adolfo Cerceda

how about $15.00 including usa shipping???
or you can make me an offer

  /-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-///plieur de papier\\\-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-\
 /=-= jack thomas weres                         jtweres@lucent.com =-=\
/=======================\\\================///=========================\
"Let Go and Let Fold"                             "One Crease At A Time"





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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 17:16:02 -0300 (ADT)
From: Miss Emma Jane Griffiths <emmajg@cardiffcybercafe.co.uk>
Subject: Re: cube

Right then  the waterbomb  can be shaped into a cube or there
is a "pop up" cube in one of my books.  I can scan the diagrams
for you if you like and either email or post them to you.

Em*
Happy Folding

At 16:54 19/08/96 -0300, you wrote:
>I am a bit embarrassed  to send such a simple request to such advanced
>Origami experts, but I do hope that you can help me along.
>
>I found quite a few very good books on Origami here in Germany but I
>am looking for one model that may just be too simple to appear in any
>of them.
>If any of you has seen the Film "James and the Giant Peach" (correct
>translation?? I just had a guess) you may recall the 3D-cube he folds
>and uses as a balloon near the beginning of the story. I want to fold
>it but as I said above, while I found a lot of wonderful and
>complicated models to fold I didn't find the cube anywhere.
>Please help me.
>
>And 2:
>Are there any Germans on the list? I'd like to exchange information
>on books, models, meetings, paper stores etc. with them since the US
>information (apart from mail-order book stores) does not help me a
>lot.
>Please mail me personally
>
>A newbie to the list and quasi-beginner in Origami
>
>Gisela
>--------------------------------------------------------
>giselas@hrz.uni-bielefeld.de
>
>            "Everyone you see leaves a mark on your soul
>            Everyone you bear leaves a mark on your soul
>           Everyone you touch leaves a mark on your soul
>          Everyone you love   leaves a mark on your soul"
>
>
---------------------------------------------------
             Miss Emma Jane Griffiths
      E-mail: emmajg@cardiffcybercafe.co.uk
  URL: http://www.cardiffcybercafe.co.uk/~emmajg





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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 17:28:24 -0300 (ADT)
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: Eight-legged Crab

Still catching up on origami-l since before the convention when I had to
stop reading, but this message from David Lister struck a few chords that I
hope haven't been overplayed. ;-)

First, I'd like to thank Mr. Lister for the amount of information he shares
via this list.  I don't often have any kind of response, but I do greatly
enjoy reading and learning about what he has to say.

I am also doing a lot of simplifying, though I know many of the
generalizations have exceptions...

In message <960816134014_180545163@emout18.mail.aol.com> David Lister wrote:
+Did Yoshizawa's Crab or Uchiyama's Crab come first? Yoshizawa often
+complained that other paperfolders copied his models and on one occasion
+included Uchiyama in the list. Yet It could easily be a case of simultaneous
+discovery or invention. (Does one "discover" or does one "invent" a 4XFrog
+Base?) I doubt if we shall ever have documentary evidence to enable us to
+make a final decision. This is a pity, because we ought to know who was the
+very first creator of an eight-legged uncut crab.

I am curious to know if the "origami is for sharing not selling" kind of
attitude, which from my limited perspective seems to prevail mostly in the
West, is more a result of the minority status of origami as an acceptable
persuit in the West, or if it is a rather more direct response to the
secretive and competitive attitude which seems, again from my limited
perspective, much more Eastern.  Just harking back a few weeks to some
post-96-convention origami-l mail about who did what with whose modulars,
the underlying theme was, IMHO, more one of credit, not of secrecy.

+Classic" of 1961. This reproduces Professor Frederick Starr's own
+reproduction copy of the Kayaragusa made for him in Japan by hand and
+astonishingly close to the original. The original is owned by the Asahi
+Newspaper of Osaka. and apart from photocopies, has never been adquately
+reproduced.

One of the reasons I like to support Dover Publications (source of many cool
things, including origami books), is that they keep older books in print.  I
have never understood (at an emotional level) the desire to keep one of
something locked away so that no one else can see/view/read/etc. it, and so
I find it hard to understand why Asahi Newspaper would want to risk
something happening to what is likely a singular document (assuming that the
copies are unlocatable).  Oddly enough, I don't have a socialistic attitude,
as I don't believe such things should be available for free, whether this
particular antiquity or just the latest images on Joseph Wu's pages.  But
that reproductions simply aren't available baffles me.  I suspect it may be
a cultural thing, but I'm not sure.

+In view of the great importance which was attached to blintzed bases in the
+West in the 1960s and 1970s it is most surprising how little is was (and
+still is) generally known about the advanced technqiues that undoubtedly
+existed in Japan at that time.

I really am not a closet historian, fascinating as all of this is.  I am
more just a puzzled observer.  Perhaps this is just the propaganda of the
West, but it seems that the East, and Japan in particular, is more often
protrayed as a place where society plays a much greater role and makes many
more demands on individuals than do the societies of the West.  So it is odd
to me that the origami traditions are reversed.  I might be tempted to think
that in the East (esp. Japan) this is due to a kind of counterbalancing
psycological need for self-definition, whereas in the West the tradition is

I'll stop rambling now and try to catch up on more back origami-l email. :-)

-Doug





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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 17:32:10 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: The Two Alex B's of origami on the WEB

OK, so I've not *totally* lost it  :-)

There are two Alex B... folders/web-site-owners/list-members:

Alex Barber:  Web site with a "mirror" of the Postscript diagram
              files from the origami-l archive, translated
              into Acrobat Reader PDF files format.

Alex Bateman: Web site with Nick Robinson's diagrams, and
              a search facility for both the origami-l
              mail list message archives (try it, its great!)
              and V'Ann Cornelius' (no relation ;-)
              Index to Origami Books and Models

Apologies to both, but
given that they both have names starting with "ba", both are on
the list, both have web sites with a connection to, and supplementing
the origami-l archives, perhaps I can be excused for mixing them up
once in awhile...

--valerie
Valerie Vann
75070.304@compuserve.com





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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 17:36:25 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jeannine Mosely <j9@concentra.com>
Subject: James' balloon

Gisela wrote:

   If any of you has seen the Film "James and the Giant Peach" (correct
   translation?? I just had a guess) you may recall the 3D-cube he folds
   and uses as a balloon near the beginning of the story. I want to fold
   it but as I said above, while I found a lot of wonderful and
   complicated models to fold I didn't find the cube anywhere.
   Please help me.

James folded the classic origami balloon, which can be found in Isao
Honda's "The World of Origami" and many other introductory books on
origami.  I hope you can find this in Germany.

Everybody is always writing to the list to tell of origami "sightings"
on TV and film.  How did we miss this one?

        -- Jeannine Mosely





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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 18:19:37 -0300 (ADT)
From: TrekDBob@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: OUSA on-line

Try again...

---------------------
Forwarded message:
Subj:    OUSA on-line
Date:    96-08-19 00:57:35 EDT
From:    TrekDBob
To:      TrekDBob

Hey Gang!

I'm forwarding the following for Brian Jendryka - the Managing Editor of
OUSA's "The Paper."

He mentioned in a later posting that the issue would more than likely be the
Winter issue, and that I wasn't to make promises that he couldn't keep! :-)
He also reiterated he would like to hear from anyone that would like to
contribute.... you can e-mail him directly BJendryka@aol.com

Personally, I think that the rest of the members of OUSA would enjoy reading
some of the history that is discussed (such as the recent information about
the 8-legged crabs!) (THAT is a HINT David!!!!! ;-)

Dee
TrekDBob@aol.com

---------------------
Forwarded message:
Subj:    Re: Affiiliate stuff
Date:    96-08-14 21:43:52 EDT
From:    BJendryka
To:      TrekDBob

I have been promised by the powers that be that OrigamiUSA will be on-line by
the end of the year. The next issue of The Paper will be a special internet
issue, so if you can think of anything, let me know. Also, if you wanted to
be a pal, you could post a little notice on Origami-l that such an issue is
taking place and that I would love to hear of cool origami internet things
going on (and that people can e-mail me their ideas).

Thanks,

Brian





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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 18:43:30 -0300 (ADT)
From: Miss Emma Jane Griffiths <emmajg@cardiffcybercafe.co.uk>
Subject: Netscape Cool Talk

Hello All!

For those who have Cool Talk, you can now contact me at:
emmajg@dogbert.cardiffcybercafe.co.uk
I won't be on tomorrow daytime (UK Time)
But I'll be around and about between 18:30 to 22:30 (UK time)
for the rest of the week.
Unfortunately I don't have a mic on my machine but if needs be
I can go on another machine if you wish to hear my voice!
Oh well happy folding.
Talk soon

Em*
---------------------------------------------------
             Miss Emma Jane Griffiths
      E-mail: emmajg@cardiffcybercafe.co.uk
  URL: http://www.cardiffcybercafe.co.uk/~emmajg





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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 18:44:46 -0300 (ADT)
From: contract@nyc.pipeline.com (Contractors Exchange)
Subject: Re: large origami

On Aug 19, 1996 10:26:45, 'Robert Bossy <rbossy@Email.ENST.Fr>' wrote:

>a friend of mine needs a large origami (a 2 meters crane).

That certainly qualifies as large. In terms of inches, I guess you would
need to start with a 120 inch square (or about 4 meters).

>I need some advice:
>How heavy must be the paper?

I guess heavy weight paper would be desirable, but availability and
strength might be more important criteria. An art framing store might carry
paper of that size. No matter what weight or size you use, you will have to
use a wire frame anyway to support the weight of the paper. You can also
stuff aluminum foil inbetween the layers of the model for additional
support.

>Is the size of the complete origami proportionnal to the size of the
initial
>paper?

All origami models have a particular reduction factor from the initial
square. In the case of the crane, the resulting model occupies about 1/4th
the area of the starting square.

>Is it possible to do it alone?

You probably could, but an etra hand would be helpful. I have folded a
60inch square and a 21foot long rectangle without help. I was able to do
this by using weights to hold down the paper at the opposite end.

Marc





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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 19:09:15 -0300 (ADT)
From: Bernie Cosell <bernie@fantasyfarm.com>
Subject: Shield of Origami

Hi--

I need a touch of advice on Peter Budai's "Shield of Origami" fold that
appeared in the Summer issue of The Paper.  I'm stuck at diagram 6. I
can't make any sense outof what the two arrows in the diagram are trying
to tell me, and I have sat and stared at diagram 7 and I just can't see
where that trangular flap out to the left comes from. Hints would be
appreciated.  Thanks!!
  /Bernie\
--
Bernie Cosell                     Fantasy Farm Fibers
bernie@fantasyfarm.com            Pearisburg, VA
    -->  Too many people, too few sheep  <--





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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 19:54:31 -0300 (ADT)
From: cathypl@generation.net (Cathy Palmer-Lister)
Subject: Hello!

Hello!

        I am new to this list, I hope I am getting this right!  I lost the
address to call for HELP...

      I have been following your discussions for  two or three weeks now,
and I must tell you how much I enjoy your conversations.  I cannot find any
origami clubs in the Montreal area (although we do have a very fine Japanese
paper store), and I feel rather alone.  I just got on Internet and was
stunned by the amount of interest in origami.

        I get the impression that most of you know one another.  May I
introduce myself?

        I am a fourth grade teacher, 45 yrs old, with more hobbies and
interests than I have hours in a day.  This summer, most of my vacation was
spent on origami, science fiction and fantasy, and astronomy.  My level of
ability varies according to whose diagrams I am trying to read--mild
dyslexia can make origami especially interesting!!--but I have never been
stymied by a Montroll design.  I guess I would say I usually enjoy success
at the intermediate level, but I have folded a few more complex designs.  I
love doing origami with the kids I teach.  Often the best folders are not
the best students, or even the best artists, so it's great to see them
achieve something special.  What makes a good folder?  I often wonder about
this when I watch the kids at work.  I can't seem to predict who will "get
it" and who won't.  Have you any thoughts on this?

        While surfing the net, I ran across a beautiful dragon attributed to
Robert Neil.  Can anyone tell me where this design is published?  It's so
perfect for me!  One place where I can show off my origami talents is at the
science fiction and fantasy clubs I belong to.  Which reminds me, somebody
(Hammer Down?)  wrote about folding the Enterprise designed by (Mike K?) .
Hammer Down, if you are reading this, would you tell me more about it?
Surely, this has to be modular?  A friend of mine has folded a Vorlon
spaceship (Babylon 5) from frog base.  I modified(or rather simplified!) one
of John Montroll's dinosaurs into an origami Klingon Bird of Prey.  Seeing a
Klingon ship made of paper always gets lots of laughs!!

        I would like to know more about all of you who contribute to this
list.  You can write to me privately, I would welcome your correspondence.

                    Cathy Palmer-Lister

                    >cathypl@generation.net<





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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 19:59:16 -0300 (ADT)
From: vann@tredgar.cardiff.com (VAnn Cornelius)
Subject: Re: large origami

Our group in San Diego has folded a 12 foot whale (montroll'), a four foot
     Gorilla, a 3x4 foot easel, and an six foot tree (Jeff Beynon).  I've
     folded a 4' chamleon, a 3 foot pelican (Montroll) and a silver back
     gorilla (Herman vG).

We have used photographic backdrop papers. For the tree, we painted the paper
     with
white glue first. It made the paper feel like leather and made the color much
richer looking.

The gorillas were the only ones that needed wires added but they were not for
support like legs will need since we had it hung from the ceiling next to
an 18 inch bi-plane. A platform touched the feet but didn't bear any weight.

We usually fold with two or three people but like Marc said,
it CAN be done with weights and clamps  It is really a lot of fun with more
people.  Each person learns the model on their own so that everyone
comes with some background before we start.

V'Ann





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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 20:22:35 -0300 (ADT)
From: Rjlang@aol.com
Subject: Re: large origami

Robert Bossy <rbossy@Email.ENST.Fr>' wrote:

>a friend of mine needs a large origami (a 2 meters crane)...

Several years ago I folded several big models for various displays from
seamless photographic backdrop paper, which comes in rolls 3 meters wide.
This made a crane with a 3 meter wingspan. I also folded a biplane and
pianist from 1.5 m wide paper for the "Naruhodo the World" Japanese TV show a
few years ago (and unfolded the biplane on-camera). The paper is absolutely
terrible stuff -- rips easily, doesn't hold a crease worth beans -- but it's
colorful and big, which are the two major requirements. For the crane, I
braced the wings, head, and tail with wooden dowels tucked and hot-melt glued
inside the flaps (so they wouldn't show).

Good luck,

Robert J. Lang
rjlang@aol.com





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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 21:03:35 -0300 (ADT)
From: marckrsh@nyc.pipeline.com (Marc Kirschenbaum)
Subject: Re: Shield of Origami

On Aug 19, 1996 19:09:15, '"Bernie Cosell" <bernie@fantasyfarm.com>' wrote:

>
>I need a touch of advice on Peter Budai's "Shield of Origami" fold that
>appeared in the Summer issue of The Paper.  I'm stuck at diagram 6. I
can't
>make any sense outof what the two arrows in the diagram are trying to tell
me,
>and I have sat and stared at diagram 7 and I just can't see where that
>trangular flap out to the left comes from. Hints would be appreciated.

For fisrt-timers, I can see how this would be a non-obvious step, but it
turns out this move is common in models by people like John Montroll. The
flap you are looking for happens to be at the top of the birbase-like
shape, as depicted in step 6. This flap is actually one of the original
corners of the sqaure, which is well concealed, as it has melded into the
birdbase-like form.  The most effective way to release it is to open out
the birbase-like form. As you open it out, bring the original corner down,
and *pop* the structure inside-out. The mini-base will now be white, and
the central point can be swung to the left, as shown in step 7.

Marc





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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 22:27:10 -0300 (ADT)
From: Rachel Katz <mandrk@pb.net>
Subject: Re: Valerie's Bus. Card 4 piece modular

At our L.I.F.E. Fold Fest, Vernon Isaac taught this clever modular
and got some lovely results. He used florists gift cards for the
design. The cards had to be trimmed slightly to standard card size
and the floral design was cleverly placed to form geometric floral
centers on at least one face of the cubeoctahedron. He used cards
with various messages e.g. "Get Well," "Happy Anniversary," etc.
The cards cost about $1 per 100 at florist supply places. They were
a big hit at our little convention. Thanks Valerie!

Rachel Katz
Origami - it's not just for squares!





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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 22:30:33 -0300 (ADT)
From: NiceMartha@aol.com
Subject: Thanks for Kiwi Info

I appreciate your responses to my Kiwi query.  Yes, it was Steven Casey's
Kiwi.  No, I haven't yet found the folding instructions.  I am very glad to
know the name of the creator.  It's nice to have an Australian model in my
collection.  Thank you!

Martha Landy





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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 22:42:54 -0300 (ADT)
From: nienhuis@westworld.com (Bob Nienhuis)
Subject: Re: Books For Sale

SOLD!
Bob Nienhuis
nienhuis@westworld.com

>  i'm offering the following two books for sale
>  and i would like to sell them as a set (and therefore one sales transaction)
>
>Magic of Folding Money by Bill Caruba
>Folding Money Book by Adolfo Cerceda
>
>how about $15.00 including usa shipping???
>or you can make me an offer
>
>
>  /-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-///plieur de papier\\\-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-\
> /=-= jack thomas weres                         jtweres@lucent.com =-=\
>/=======================\\\================///=========================\
>"Let Go and Let Fold"                             "One Crease At A Time"





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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 02:25:04 -0300 (ADT)
From: TrekDBob@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kiwi model

you mean a kiwi is a BIRD and not a fruit or a person from New Zealand???!!!
(Apologies to all our NZ friends -- at least I HOPE they're still my
friends!! ;-)

It's interesting that JWu should mention Steven Casey -- when I met Steven a
couple of years ago, I asked him how he thought of all these wonderful
models. He told me he just sits and makes heads, or appendages, whatever. He
then folded for a second, and said "What does this remind you of?" I
immediately said "a kiwi." The model had no head or feet - just a shape that
was recognizable as a kiwi! I thought it was pretty amazing... especially
since I would probably have never come across that shape folding!

Dee





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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 02:41:26 -0300 (ADT)
From: Charles Knuffke <knuffke@sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Hello!

At 2:54 PM -0800 on 8/19/96, Cathy Palmer-Lister wrote:

>
> Hello!
> I get the impression that most of you know one another.  May I
> introduce myself?
>

Cathy:

Welcome to the list! Interesting last name you've got. It's a combination
of two Origami Greats - Chris Palmer and David Lister. Chris is THE CHAMP
when it comes to origami tessalation models, and David Lister blesses the
Origami-L list with the most erudite articles on any Origami topic. Any
chance you're related?

Most of the people on the list know each other from the list itself, from
the OrigamiUSA conventions, or local Origami clubs. Origami seems the be a
great vehicle for the introduction of people. People are amazed at how many
other people are also into paperfolding. At least that's how it's been for
me.

> ...What makes a good folder?  I often wonder about
> this when I watch the kids at work.  I can't seem to predict who will "get
> it" and who won't.  Have you any thoughts on this?
>

While generalizations about any group are dangerous, I'll take a chance
with the following... Origamists seem to be, if not good at math, at least
interested by the subject. Also, theres a logical side to many (comes in
handy when trying to read diagrams), an aptitude for problem solving (i.e.
how did they get to THAT next step !?!), and an above average amount of
patience! There also does seem to be a correlation between Origami and
Sci-Fi themes - witness the enthusiam toward models like the "Enterprise"
or any mythical creature.

I've also noticed origamists tend to rate very high on the "Willing to
Helps Others" scale. I've never met an origamist who wasn't willing to help
another with a model, or show them a new piece that they've created (Thats
if they have the time! When confronted with a 100+ step model, even the
most gracious might be tempted to plea "How about later?"). Michael Shall
said it best when he said "Origami is about sharing".

>         While surfing the net, I ran across a beautiful dragon attributed to
> Robert Neil.  Can anyone tell me where this design is published?  It's so
> perfect for me!  One place where I can show off my origami talents is at the
> science fiction and fantasy clubs I belong to.  Which reminds me, somebody
> (Hammer Down?)  wrote about folding the Enterprise designed by (Mike K?) .
> Hammer Down, if you are reading this, would you tell me more about it?
> Surely, this has to be modular?  A friend of mine has folded a Vorlon
> spaceship (Babylon 5) from frog base.  I modified(or rather simplified!) one
> of John Montroll's dinosaurs into an origami Klingon Bird of Prey.  Seeing a
> Klingon ship made of paper always gets lots of laughs!!
>

The only location I know of for the Neale Dragon is J. Ansill's "Mythical
Beings". This book has been mentioned several times in the last week, and
unfortunately I believe it's now out of print. Neale's Dragon is one of the
easier models in the book, and is fantastic. I've been told that many other
dragons owe there existance to this early design. Unfortunately the book
suffers from it's layout (small) and hard to read diagrams. As has been
pointed out on the list, the publisher was largely responsible for these
drawbacks, as well as evident unwillingness to allow corrections. The book
may still be available thru "The Source", i.e OrigamiUSA's bookstore. It
was included in the June 96 listing of books available at The Source, and
was priced at $10.00 Unfortunately, the only way to contact the source is
by snail mail - address:

OrigamiUSA
c/o Phyliss Meth
40-05 166th Street
Flushing, NY  11358

According to my printout, shipping and handling would add $3.50 to the
$10.00 for the book. They do accept Visa and Mastercharge.

There are two "Enterprise" models that I know of - one by Jeremy Schafer,
and one by Marc Kirschenbaum. Jeremy's model is diagrammed in the Summer
1995 issue of the Bay Area Rapid Folders (E-Mail me privately if interested
in a full list of issues). Marc made his model available to everyone via
the Origami Archive. Either use an FTP program (or Netscape's Web Browser),
and go to
ftp://ftp.rug.nl/origami/models.bin/
There you'll find 2 directorys for Enterprise Drawings. Pick either the B&W
or grayscale version, and you can download the .gif files that Marc created
by scanning his hand drawn sketches. The reason for the hand sketches is
that Paramount's lawyers are always on the lookout for anyone infringing on
their trademarks, and Marc was wary of publishing an "Enterprise" model any
other way.

Cathy, I hope that answers all your questions. I look forward to seeing you
on the list!

*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
Charles Knuffke       "Amen the Thunderbolt in the Dark Void"
153 Divisadero                                  -Jack Kerouac
San Francisco CA 94104
mailto://knuffke@sirius.com





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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 04:38:52 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Lauinger,p15" <Lauinger@06.bonn02.telekom400.dbp.de>
Subject: Origami Meeting NRW

Sorry to other list subscriber for writing German

Endlich ist es uns gelungen, das erste Regionaltreffen NRW =

aus der Taufe heben zu lassen.

Elfie Franke hat einen Raum organisiert, so da=DF wir uns ale =

2 Monate samstags ab 15.00 Uhr treffen k=F6nnen. Unser erstes =

Treffen findet am 14.09.96, 15.00 Uhr, in der =

Altenpflegest=E4tte in Bergisch Gladbach statt. Wer im =

Umkreis von K=F6ln, Bonn, Bergisch Gladbach (Mittelpunkt der =

Welt) wohnt, Lust zum Falten hat, sollte sich mit mir in =

Verbindung setzen.

Schickt mir eine email an meine email-Adresse (bitte nicht =

=FCber die Liste) und gebt auch eine Telefonnummer an.

Viel Spa=DF beim Falten

Dorisris





Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 06:28:26 -0300 (ADT)
From: Laurie Bisman <lbisman@sirranet.co.nz>
Subject: RE: Kiwi model

OMIGOSH! - yes I see where the confusion has arisen. Kiwi-fruit in this
country are called kiwi-fruit (they used to be called chinese gooseberries
when I was growing up) and I believe that they are just called kiwi's
overseas! - to a New Zealander, a kiwi is a bird, or it is sometimes used
to describe a person from NZ in much the same way as Yank, or Limey is
used. It is not considered a derogotory term for a New Zealand person.

I don't think that I could ever be inspired to create an origami fold of a
kiwi (fruit), whereas the bird is much, much more interesting.

Incidentally, they are nocturnal and the vast majority of New Zealanders
have never seen one in the flesh, (or should that be feathers?)

Laurie Bisman
lbisman@sirranet.co.nz





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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 07:09:17 -0300 (ADT)
From: Maarten van Gelder <M.J.van.Gelder@rc.rug.nl>
Subject: New models in the archives

In the past I've been thinking about making booklets with models in it.
I didn't like to have much work on it, so I tried and asked the OSN and the
BOS for possibilities.
In the OSN we have a lot of members but only a few folding difficult things.
So they didn't see a possibility to make my booklet(s).
With the BOS is another story. They'd like to do. But the problem is that
they have a lot of booklets in store. They need to sell enough to have money
available to make new booklets. And I'm not the first on their list.

So I decided to put all my models on the NET (if diagrams are available).

Have a look in the archives. I've put several of my models there:

   Bowl de Vicenza
   Dahlia
   Drip catcher
   Garland unit 1
   Garland unit 2
   Mushroom
   Pine tree
   Serviette as French lilly
   Stand
   Deer from tea bag

When a booklet with (some of) my models will be published, I don't know.
We'll have to wait.

Maarten van Gelder,           Rekencentrum RuG,  RijksUniversiteit Groningen
M.J.van.Gelder@rc.rug.nl                         Nederland





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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 08:45:42 -0300 (ADT)
From: scasey@enternet.com.au (Steven Casey)
Subject: Re: Thanks for Kiwi Info

>I appreciate your responses to my Kiwi query.  Yes, it was Steven Casey's
>Kiwi.  No, I haven't yet found the folding instructions.  I am very glad to
>know the name of the creator.  It's nice to have an Australian model in my
>collection.  Thank you!
>
>Martha Landy
>
>

 The folding instructions can be found on page 27, in "Origami Per Tutti" by
Guido Gazzera , the finish drawing shows the beak drawn fairly thickly. A
photo on page 56 gives a better idea of the finished model. The model was
designed in 1975 and  was one of my first efforts. These days it could be
jazzed up a bit by introducing a texture to the paper (similar to the spiny
anteater) to simulate the kiwi's feathers. If you would like some original
instructions email me privately at the address below.

An earlier version of a kiwi was published in "Secrets of Origami" by Robert
Harbin. It was designed by Harry Weiss and can be found on page 82.

Best wishes,

Steve Casey  (scasey@enternet.com.au)





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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 10:03:06 -0300 (ADT)
From: kkinney@med.unc.edu (Kevin Kinney)
Subject: Re: large origami

>
> Our group in San Diego has folded a 12 foot whale (montroll'), a four foot
     Gorilla, a 3x4 foot easel, and an six foot tree (Jeff Beynon).  I've
     folded a 4' chamleon, a 3 foot pelican (Montroll) and a silver back
     gorilla (Herman vG).
>
> The gorillas were the only ones that needed wires added but they were not for
> support like legs will need since we had it hung from the ceiling next to
> an 18 inch bi-plane. A platform touched the feet but didn't bear any weight.
>
> We usually fold with two or three people but like Marc said,
> it CAN be done with weights and clamps  It is really a lot of fun with more
> people.  Each person learns the model on their own so that everyone
> comes with some background before we start.
>
> V'Ann

And speaking of large origami, the Southeast Origami Festival people are
apparently planning on folding a life-sized version of Issei Yoshino's
T-Rex skeleton.  Another reason I have to go (as if I needed another one!)

Kevin Kinney
kkinney@med.unc.edu





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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 10:35:36 -0300 (ADT)
From: chall@scsn.net (Carol Hall)
Subject: Re: large origami

>
>And speaking of large origami, the Southeast Origami Festival people are
>apparently planning on folding a life-sized version of Issei Yoshino's
>T-Rex skeleton.  Another reason I have to go (as if I needed another one!)
>
>Kevin Kinney
>kkinney@med.unc.edu
>

And let's not forget that the southeast's own Jonathan Baxter (that's right,
Jonathan, you are larger than Charlotte!) managed to hang large origami
cranes from the the construction cranes in downtown Charlotte NC during last
year's winter holidays.

Carol Hall
chall@scsn.net





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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 10:54:57 -0300 (ADT)
From: chall@scsn.net (Carol Hall)
Subject: Re: Hello! and predictions

>Hello!
  Often the best folders are not
>the best students, or even the best artists, so it's great to see them
>achieve something special.  What makes a good folder?  I often wonder about
>this when I watch the kids at work.  I can't seem to predict who will "get
>it" and who won't.  Have you any thoughts on this?

>                    Cathy Palmer-Lister
>
>
>                    >cathypl@generation.net<
>
>
Hello and welcome, Cathy!
This comment brings to mind something I learned 15 years ago, not about
origami but about international folk dancing.  There was a wonderful folk
dance teacher who taught recreational dance and also was a university
professor.  Through her work and research, she came up with a way of
identifying at the start of a session which people in the group would likely
have difficulty learning the steps and movements.  This allowed her to "just
happen" to stand next to them as she taught, or to have one of her
assistants do the same.  I wonder if origami teachers could come up with
something similar?

Her test was by way of a warm-up:  put some music on and have people stand
in place and clap in time.  Gradually she would lead them to this sequence
of patty-cake-like movements: with both hands, tap your thighs, clap your
hands, hands apart snap your fingers, clap your hands; repeat as a seamless
pattern.
People who couldn't internalize the pattern in rhythm, had to stop to think,
got it mixed up, whatever, would likely need extra time to learn the (any)
dance.  If there were quite a few, she would spend some time teaching the
general pattern across the floor so that those folks could manage to avoid
getting in the others' way. (This, of course, seemed to be a regular part of
the teaching; no one was the wiser.)  That way everyone could enjoy
themselves in some way.

Could there be an origami warm up?  It would certainly be a great help to
those of us who find ourselves teaching larger than expected groups with
little or no help.

By the way, this teacher also taught me one of my favorite lines, which I
have used teaching geography, so it can apply in lots of places:  "How many
people think that someone on the other side of the room is confused?"

Carol Hall
chall@scsn.net





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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:12:34 -0300 (ADT)
From: scasey@enternet.com.au (Steven Casey)
Subject: Re: Origami Sayings (Cute T-shirts Discussion?)

I have some ideas for cute Origami saying for T-Shirts as follows:

"Origami - Paper with Personality"

"Origami - the gift of paper"

"Origami - for that "AHA" experience"

"Origami - The shape of things to come"

"I dabble in wet folding"           (note: dabble wet slightly or partly)

"Origami - folding by design"

"Get enfolded with Origami"

"The art of Origami is Increasing"

"The ancient art of Origami"        (with origami dinosaur graphic)

"I'm an Origami Fan "               (with origami peacock graphic)

"My well being increases four fold with Origami"

"Origami recycling paper into art"

"Paperfolders are model people"

Hope this sparks off some more ideas.

Regards,

Steven Casey (scasey@enternet.com.au)





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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:13:35 -0300 (ADT)
From: Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com
Subject: 2 meter crane (Re: large origami)

I'm curious about what is meant by a "2 meter crane."

Marc (contract @ nyc.pipeline.com) wrote:
> In the case of the crane, the resulting model occupies about 1/4th
>the area of the starting square.

Robert Lang (rjlang@aol.com) wrote (edited for conciseness):
>Seamless photographic backdrop paper is 3 meters wide.
>This made a crane with a 3 meter wingspan.

I would assume that a "2-meter crane" is a crane with a 2 meter wingspan.
So the edge length of the square is approximately equal to the wing span of
the finished crane. In reality, it is slightly less, but at 2 or 3 meters it is
certainly a good enough approximation unless the cranes must have a wing
span of exactly 2 meters. (They have to fit *perfectly* into this box...)

On the other hand, the "footprint" of the crane is certainly less than the
area of the original sheet. With erect head and tail (something my cranes
rarely have) I can see how a crane's footprint would be about a quarter of
the original piece of paper. (Of course, crane's usually don't have feet...)

Now, if a 2 meter crane is supposed to be 2 meters *tall* (which would be
true if we were discussing construction cranes rather than birds) what
would we need for a piece of paper? My guess is that the height of the crane
if the tail stands straight up (rather than at a jaunty angle) would be about
1/2 the diameter of the paper. Thus it would have a 4 meter wingspan and
a one square meter footprint...

I'll shut up now...

Lisa
Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com





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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 12:33:35 -0300 (ADT)
From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@empnet.com>
Subject: Re: Hello!

Cathy Palmer-Lister wrote:
>
> Hello!
>
>         I am new to this list, I hope I am getting this right!  I lost the
     address to call for HELP...
>
>       I have been following your discussions for  two or three weeks now,and
     I must tell you how much I enjoy your conversations...
>         I get the impression that most of you know one another.  May I
> introduce myself?
> Cathy, since so many of the contributors to this list have apparently
been on it for some time, I just wanted to let you know that it is a
very friendly but intimidating group.  No one's ever made me feel bad
about some of the questions I've had and I've learned a great deal.  I'm
about the same skill level you described for yourself.  Anyway, WELCOME!





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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 13:44:18 -0300 (ADT)
From: Abe Edlin <aedlin@closerlook.com>
Subject: Any good Ships?

Hello, I am looking for a good model of a ship. I have come accross the
Junk in Honda's book, and there is a reference to a three masted ship in
brill's "Brilliant Orgami" in the bottle fold, but I haven't found the
plans for one. If someone could help, it would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks Again,
Abe Edlin





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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 14:02:50 -0300 (ADT)
From: mike <76003.3034@compuserve.com>
Subject: Origami sighting

   My nephews spent the night last Friday. On Saturday moring they were watch
cartoons and there is a real people show called Fudge. This about a boy and his
younge brother(Fudge). I am not sure how old the older brother is but they had
to spend a week with a buddy. The buddies are kindergardners. They are not
looking forward with this.
   They all were given a picture from there buddy that they had drawn. Well to
the point. One girl only had a piece of paper that was unfolded. She made the
statement her buddy "must not be very artistic". To end this story her buddy is
another girl that tells her it is origami and it must have come unfolded. So the
younger girl show the older one origami for the week. It was the traditonal
swan. The older girl really enjoy origami and is showing everone what she
learned to make.

  Another origami sighting is with the Power Rangers toys. One of my nephews
Zords(???) has a plastic origami crane for a helmet. this is a Shogun Zord so I
guess it is a Japanese theme.

                                                                       Mike
Henderson

     76003.3034
@compuserve.com
