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Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 17:58:25 -0300 (ADT)
From: bminch@pcmp.caltech.edu
Subject: New web site

Hi All,

        I just set up a minimal origami web page.  I'll probably be making
additions to it as I have time.  Please let me know what you think...  The
URL is

http://www.pcmp.caltech.edu/~bminch/origami.html

Enjoy!

                                   Brad Minch.
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Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 20:48:48 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kim Best <Kim.Best@m.cc.utah.edu>
Subject: Re: Wet Fold Paper

On Fri, 2 Aug 1996, Ramrod wrote:

> What is the best paper for wet folding? One book I have said
> watercolor paper 28-40 lb is the best and comes in assorted colors.
> But so far this has been impossible to find. I live in the Atlanta
> area so if anyone knows where to find this paper in Atlanta please
> let me know. Or if there is another type of paper you use I would
> like to know that too. Thanks.

I was at Epcot Center, at the Japanese Pavilion, about a year ago.  I
puchased some paper that had a different color on each side.  At first I
didn't like it, because it was thicker than the paper I was used to, and
the finished models didn't tend to hold to gether well.  But when I
started to get into wet folding, it was fantastic.  It absorbed water
well, when the paper dried the models looked great.  I folded everything
in Montrolls "Mythological Creatures....", with it, with the exception of the
card suits, which looked best with foil.  Now I'm all out and I have no
idea where to find it.

Kim Best                            *******************************
                                    *          Origamist:         *
Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   * Some one who thinks paper   *
420 Chipeta Way #120                * thin, means thick and bulky *
Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         *******************************





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Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 23:01:30 -0300 (ADT)
From: Michael & Janet Hamilton <mikeinnj@cris.com>
Subject: Re: Wet Fold Paper

>
> What is the best paper for wet folding? One book I have said
> watercolor paper 28-40 lb is the best and comes in assorted colors.
> But so far this has been impossible to find. I live in the Atlanta
> area so if anyone knows where to find this paper in Atlanta please
> let me know. Or if there is another type of paper you use I would
> like to know that too. Thanks.
>

Here's places for supplies in Atlanta that have been mentioned on this list.  I
     can't vouch for any of them,
though.

Sam Flax on Northside

Binders Discount Art Supply in the Lindbergh Shopping Center

If It's Paper
535 Indian Trail-Lilburn Rd.
Lilburn, GA 30247
(404) 923-4735

If It's Paper
8610 Roswell Rd.
Dunwoody, GA 30350
(404) 998-9226

Janet Hamilton
mikeinnj@concentric.net





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Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 23:56:50 -0300 (ADT)
From: quintin@peak.mountnet.com (L. Quintin)
Subject: Re: cute origami t-shirts

How about:

Imagiro: the art of unfolding paper

(Not my idea)
Lise
quintin@peak.mountnet.com





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Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 02:59:39 -0300 (ADT)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: Montroll's "Mythological Creatures..."

On Fri, 2 Aug 1996, Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy) wrote:
> Japanese and even some of the Chinese don't celebrate Lunar New Year. You
> may just drop the rule to be yearly solar system based. No one (I guess)
> will check on that.

To be more specific, the Japanese apply the Chinese zodiac to the
Julian/Gregorian calendar. They simply move the date of the new year from
the middle of February (start of the lunar year in the Gregorian calendar)
up to January 1. I'm not all that Chinese, but it's still kinda strange to
me. 8)

          Joseph Wu           | There are no ordinary people. You have never
  origami@planet.datt.co.jp   | talked to a mere mortal. Nations, cultures,
 Webmaster, the Origami Page  | arts, civilisations--these are mortal....
http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami | But it is immortals whom we joke with, work
  Webmaster, DATT Japan Inc.  | with, marry, snub, and exploit....
    http://www.datt.co.jp     | --C.S. Lewis, "The Weight of Glory"





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Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 03:04:35 -0300 (ADT)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: Wet Fold Paper

On Fri, 2 Aug 1996, Ramrod wrote:

> What is the best paper for wet folding? One book I have said
> watercolor paper 28-40 lb is the best and comes in assorted colors.
> But so far this has been impossible to find. I live in the Atlanta
> area so if anyone knows where to find this paper in Atlanta please
> let me know. Or if there is another type of paper you use I would
> like to know that too. Thanks.

Heavy parchment paper is good. Make sure you're buying parchment PAPER and
not just PARCHMENT, though (parchment is a type of treated animal skin...
I've got a huge roll of the stuff, but it's almost impossible to work with).
What I consider to be the best wet-folding paper (and I think that Robert
Lang agrees...correct me if I'm wrong, Robert) is a paper called "marble"
by Wyndstone. It used to be called "elephant hide" and can still be found
under that name in certain places. It comes in many colours, dampens well,
and doesn't turn into mush if it gets too wet. It sculpts well, and dries
relatively smoothly.

          Joseph Wu           | There are no ordinary people. You have never
  origami@planet.datt.co.jp   | talked to a mere mortal. Nations, cultures,
 Webmaster, the Origami Page  | arts, civilisations--these are mortal....
http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami | But it is immortals whom we joke with, work
  Webmaster, DATT Japan Inc.  | with, marry, snub, and exploit....
    http://www.datt.co.jp     | --C.S. Lewis, "The Weight of Glory"





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Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 03:10:56 -0300 (ADT)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: paper rocks....

On Fri, 2 Aug 1996, Nick Robinson wrote:

> Kristine Tomlinson <ktomlinson@platinum.com> sez
>
> >but I'd really prefer a more irregular shape.  Something
> >    with five (or 6?) irregular sides would be ideal
>
> It's free-form time, you'll be glad to hear. Take a square, crease a
> 4/5/6 sided section near the center. Then start to form big & small
> crimps from the corners (or radically, the sides) heading outwards at
> any old angle. At a suitable location, recrimp the crimps to take the
> sides further round. Fold the excess inside as a kind of lock.
>
> Not a pretty technique, but it will produce "1/2 rocks" that are
> irregular. It's a similar method used for one or two Easter Eggs I've
> seen.

I've used these, too. You can see a photo of them in my "Origami Gallery"
on my home page. The URL is below.

          Joseph Wu           | There are no ordinary people. You have never
  origami@planet.datt.co.jp   | talked to a mere mortal. Nations, cultures,
 Webmaster, the Origami Page  | arts, civilisations--these are mortal....
http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami | But it is immortals whom we joke with, work
  Webmaster, DATT Japan Inc.  | with, marry, snub, and exploit....
    http://www.datt.co.jp     | --C.S. Lewis, "The Weight of Glory"





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Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 03:26:34 -0300 (ADT)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: cute origami t-shirts

On Fri, 2 Aug 1996, L. Quintin wrote:

> How about:
>
> Imagiro: the art of unfolding paper
>
> (Not my idea)

Ah, but Lise, "Imagiro" is already the name of an APA (amateur press
alliance or "zine") put out twice a month by a bunch of us. We've taken the
name as a reference to origami and to imagination.

Incidentally, to all you imagirons out there, the Origami Tanteidan members
liked the name "Imagiro". Yamaguchi-san said something to the effect of
"why didn't we think of that?". Apparently, it's a fairly common game to
reverse the syllables of a word here, and there are companies, magazines
and sports teams that are named by using such a process.

          Joseph Wu           | There are no ordinary people. You have never
  origami@planet.datt.co.jp   | talked to a mere mortal. Nations, cultures,
 Webmaster, the Origami Page  | arts, civilisations--these are mortal....
http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami | But it is immortals whom we joke with, work
  Webmaster, DATT Japan Inc.  | with, marry, snub, and exploit....
    http://www.datt.co.jp     | --C.S. Lewis, "The Weight of Glory"





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Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 05:19:46 -0300 (ADT)
From: Nick Robinson <nick@homelink.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Wet Fold Paper

Ramrod <RWhite3671@gnn.com> sez

>What is the best paper for wet folding?

The weight is less important than the characteritics of the sizing that
holds the paper together.  My suggestion is: try 'em all! After a while,
you develop a feel for which paper will & won't wet-fold. I would
suggest a medium weight of paper, around 200gms per square metre. If you
can pick up samplers/swatches, they are ideal for testing the wet-fold
factor.

Check out my article on the subject at the BOS web-site -

www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/wetfold.html

Most of all, enjoy it!

all the best,

Nick Robinson
nick@homelink.demon.co.uk
www.rpmrecords.co.uk/nick





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Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 20:16:58 -0300 (ADT)
From: "MARGARET M. BARBER" <mbarber@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu>
Subject: Re: Imagiro -- was cute origami t-shirts

So how does one get access to the 'zine?  I have heard several mentions
of this on the list, but have not yet found out how to subscribe to it...

TIA
Peg Barber
mbarber@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu





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Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 20:17:56 -0300 (ADT)
From: "David M. Phillips" <phillips@qxo.com>
Subject: Re: cute origami t-shirts

OFF ORIGAMI TOPIC...

Joseph Wu wrote:
> ... it's a fairly common game to reverse the syllables of a word here,
> and there are companies, magazines and sports teams that are named
> by using such a process.

I used to pilot a Citabria Decathalon airplane.  It's one of very few U.S.
     certified
planes for aerobatics.  My wife and I thought the name "Citabria" (pronounced
sih.tah'.bree.uh) sounded so pretty that we chose that name for our daughter.
     It
wasn't until a few years later that I learned from another pilot friend that
     the name
came from spelling AIRBATIC backwards.

Citabria has a nice story to tell new friends when she introduces herself, and
     she
enjoys her unusual name.
--
David M. Phillips 512-288-2887 phillips@qxo.com
QXO Corporation   512-288-1386 Fax
6316 Thomas Springs Rd Austin TX 78736-2321
http://www.onr.com/user/phillips/qxo.html





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Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 01:57:29 -0300 (ADT)
From: imcarrie@actrix.gen.nz (Ian Carrie)
Subject: Origami in New Zealand

Hi out there!

I've just started at origami, working from a few well-known books but I
sure would like to link up with people in New Zealand and in particular in
Wellington my home town. I've tried the addres given for the New Zealand
Origami Society  in the latest edition of Kenneway's 'Complete Origami" but
given in Kenneway in the local telephone directory.

 The high usage of origami books through our local public library and the
turnover of origami books in the local bookshops suggests there are lots of
people interested in origami around here. Can anyone help with names and
addresses of origamists in Wellington New Zealand please.

Concerning the copywright issue currently under discusson, there is an
interesting article on this topic with particular reference to the Internet
in the British magazine "The Economist", issue for the week beginning 27
July.

Cheers

Ian Carrie





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Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 17:54:42 -0300 (ADT)
From: DLister891@aol.com
Subject: Neal Elias' Elephant

We all know about George Rhoads' (or Rhodes') Elephant.

But in at least two places, Gershon Legman (who was very proud to have
introduced George to paperfolding and to have encouraged him to discover the
blintzed bird base), while acknowledging the wonder of George's own
pioneering Elephant, in the next breath goes on to praise Neal Elias's
Elephant as the very greatest in Western Folding.

I wonder which of Neal Elias's elephants was the one on which Gershon Legman
bestowed such high praise. There are two elephants in the first of the Elias
booklets published by the BOS. (Booklet no.34.) The elephant with the raised
trunk on page 33 seems to be the only real candidate, and certainly has an
impressive pose.  But is it technically and in the folded result the equal of
George Rhodes' elephant?  Or did Neal Elias create yet another elephant?

I should welcome all suggestions and opinions.

David Lister,

Grimsby, England.

DLister891@AOL.com





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Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 17:55:18 -0300 (ADT)
From: DLister891@aol.com
Subject: Reversed Names

When Ping Pong was invented, a rival firm brought out an identical game under
the name of "Gnip-Gnop".

Or was it the other way round? (It was long before my time.) I really think
"gnip-gnop" better represents the sound of a celluloid ball on a table than
"ping-pong".

I wonder who was the pompous ass was decreed that the game should be known by
neither of these wonderful names but by the boring and funless name of "Table
Tennis"?

David Lister

Grimsby, England.

DLister891@AOL.com





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Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 21:04:26 -0300 (ADT)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: Reversed Names

On Sun, 4 Aug 1996 DLister891@aol.com wrote:

> When Ping Pong was invented, a rival firm brought out an identical game under
> the name of "Gnip-Gnop".
>
> Or was it the other way round? (It was long before my time.) I really think
> "gnip-gnop" better represents the sound of a celluloid ball on a table than
> "ping-pong".
>
> I wonder who was the pompous ass was decreed that the game should be known by
> neither of these wonderful names but by the boring and funless name of "Table
> Tennis"?

It was precisely the fact that "Ping Pong" is a trademarked name that the
"official" name of the game was set as "table tennis".

          Joseph Wu           | There are no ordinary people. You have never
  origami@planet.datt.co.jp   | talked to a mere mortal. Nations, cultures,
 Webmaster, the Origami Page  | arts, civilisations--these are mortal....
http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami | But it is immortals whom we joke with, work
  Webmaster, DATT Japan Inc.  | with, marry, snub, and exploit....
    http://www.datt.co.jp     | --C.S. Lewis, "The Weight of Glory"





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Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 21:07:41 -0300 (ADT)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Best Elephant (was Re: Neal Elias' Elephant)

On Sun, 4 Aug 1996 DLister891@aol.com wrote:

> We all know about George Rhoads' (or Rhodes') Elephant.
>
> But in at least two places, Gershon Legman (who was very proud to have
> introduced George to paperfolding and to have encouraged him to discover the
> blintzed bird base), while acknowledging the wonder of George's own
> pioneering Elephant, in the next breath goes on to praise Neal Elias's
> Elephant as the very greatest in Western Folding.

Going slightly off-topic, I beg to differ and am willing got claim that the
best elephant design thus far is David Brill's elephant.

          Joseph Wu           | There are no ordinary people. You have never
  origami@planet.datt.co.jp   | talked to a mere mortal. Nations, cultures,
 Webmaster, the Origami Page  | arts, civilisations--these are mortal....
http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami | But it is immortals whom we joke with, work
  Webmaster, DATT Japan Inc.  | with, marry, snub, and exploit....
    http://www.datt.co.jp     | --C.S. Lewis, "The Weight of Glory"





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Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 21:44:45 -0300 (ADT)
From: PenneyA@aol.com
Subject: Re: Models for the Mail "good idea"

The Star of David is in OrigamiUSA "Making More With Money"  so is the $2
suit, but the boots didn't come from there, I learned them at the monthly
Origami Meeting in Ann Arbor, Mi.
                        Penney





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Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 21:45:10 -0300 (ADT)
From: PenneyA@aol.com
Subject: Re: Cute Origami T-Shirts

When I tell people this is therapy they don't believe me either because I
look nuts to them when I am folding the paper, until of course they see the
results, if they stick around long enough!
                      Penney





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Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 21:49:58 -0300 (ADT)
From: Laurie Bisman <lbisman@sirranet.co.nz>
Subject: RE: Origami in New Zealand

Hi there Ian (and others on the list)...

Laurie Bisman here, president of NZ origami society. Saw your message and
thought I would get in touch. The address for NZ society is changed,
although I get mail redirected from time to time. Our secretary, who used
to live at that address is now married and had a name change. Her parents
forward mail to me at irregular intervals.

The society meets in Christchurch (unfortunately) - but I travel to
Wellington from time to time, so perhaps we could meet.

I may be able to track down some folders in Wellington for you, otherwise
we can exchange folds etc by overnight mail. - Please email privately with
your snailmail address and some details about yourself. Likes/dislikes
origami-wise etc.

Kind regards,

    Laurie Bisman..
    lbisman@sirranet.co.nz

----------
From:   Ian Carrie[SMTP:imcarrie@actrix.gen.nz]
Sent:   Sunday, 4 August 1996 01:57
To:     Multiple recipients of list
Subject:        Origami in New Zealand

Hi out there!

I've just started at origami, working from a few well-known books but I
sure would like to link up with people in New Zealand and in particular in
Wellington my home town. I've tried the addres given for the New Zealand
Origami Society  in the latest edition of Kenneway's 'Complete Origami" but
given in Kenneway in the local telephone directory.

 The high usage of origami books through our local public library and the
turnover of origami books in the local bookshops suggests there are lots of
people interested in origami around here. Can anyone help with names and
addresses of origamists in Wellington New Zealand please.

Concerning the copywright issue currently under discusson, there is an
interesting article on this topic with particular reference to the Internet
in the British magazine "The Economist", issue for the week beginning 27
July.

Cheers

Ian Carrie





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Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 21:50:27 -0300 (ADT)
From: PenneyA@aol.com
Subject: Re: Imagiro -- was cute origami t-shirts

Unless someone knows the address, I found it by chance when on the internet
search.  If you've done this, you know you can find lots of pages on Origami.
                                         Penney





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Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 22:16:44 -0300 (ADT)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: Imagiro -- was cute origami t-shirts

On Sat, 3 Aug 1996, MARGARET M. BARBER wrote:

> So how does one get access to the 'zine?  I have heard several mentions
> of this on the list, but have not yet found out how to subscribe to it...

The current editors are Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com> and John Morin
<morin@transarc.com>. Please contact them. APA's (zines) however, cannot be
simply subscribed to. Active membership is required which means a
submission once each issue (every 2 months). Also, there is a membership
cap and I'm not clear as to how close we are to our limit (or if we're
already over the limit in which case there would be a waiting list to
join).

          Joseph Wu           | There are no ordinary people. You have never
  origami@planet.datt.co.jp   | talked to a mere mortal. Nations, cultures,
 Webmaster, the Origami Page  | arts, civilisations--these are mortal....
http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami | But it is immortals whom we joke with, work
  Webmaster, DATT Japan Inc.  | with, marry, snub, and exploit....
    http://www.datt.co.jp     | --C.S. Lewis, "The Weight of Glory"





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Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 22:29:49 -0300 (ADT)
From: Laurie & Bruce <bastian@nis.net>
Subject: Re: Including models in the mail

Hello,

One of my favorites is the nautilus sea shell by Robert Lang - a
a simply elegant model in my not so humble at times opinion.
Found in Origami Sea Life by Robert J. Lang & John Montroll -
isbn #0-486-26765-2 - no origami library is complete without this
book.

A similar model is found in Tomoko Fuse's Spirals isbn4-480-87202-7

Another model which is more functional is a candy box which folds
flat from Creative Life with Creative Origami Vol III
isbn# 4-8377-1290-8 (made from a rectangle - should it be important
to anyone)

have fun

lsr
bastian@nis.net
new jersey





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Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 22:29:37 -0300 (ADT)
From: Laurie & Bruce <bastian@nis.net>
Subject: Models - ooh ahh ?

Hello,

Thanks to all who replied to my thousand crane queries and
top 10 origami in different classifications and other queries.
I will try to summarize soon, but there were some
models that I haven't heard of and dont know where to find them

1) moveable octagon
2) carp/fish/whale
3)Ed Sullivan's "Un-unfoldable Box"
4)Florence Temko's Squawking Bird

thanks,
laurie
bastian@nis.net
new jersey





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Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 00:00:45 -0300 (ADT)
From: Charles Knuffke <knuffke@sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Models - ooh ahh ?

At 5:29 PM -0800 on 8/4/96, Laurie & Bruce wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Thanks to all who replied to my thousand crane queries and
> top 10 origami in different classifications and other queries.
> I will try to summarize soon, but there were some
> models that I haven't heard of and dont know where to find them
>
> 1) moveable octagon

The moveable Octagon was created by Robert Neale, and is shown in the
Robert Neale/Thomas Hull book "Origami, Plain and Simple". It's also shown
in the Gay Merrill Gross Book "The Origami Workshop" as Magic Star

> 2) carp/fish/whale

Too many different versions of these models to be sure. Any idea who the
creator is?

> 3)Ed Sullivan's "Un-unfoldable Box"

Ed Sullivan's Un-Foldable box is in both Kennedy's "Complete Origami" and
Paul Jackson's "Classic Origami" (Might also appear in other Jackson books
- several of them look the same, but have different titles).

> 4)Florence Temko's Squawking Bird

In her book Paper Pandas and Jumping Frogs, Temko's got a model - Bird with
Flapping Wings. However, I don't think it's her design, it's a traditional
model that she diagrammed.

*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
Charles Knuffke       "Amen the Thunderbolt in the Dark Void"
153 Divisadero                                  -Jack Kerouac
San Francisco CA 94104
mailto://knuffke@sirius.com





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Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 04:31:32 -0300 (ADT)
From: DLister891@aol.com
Subject: Best Elephant

Admitting that he is going off track, slightly, Joseph Wu suggests that the
best elephant is neither George Rhodes,. nor Neal Elias', but David Brill's.

I can only agree, with the qualification that this is how things stand today.
David Brill's elephant is magnificent. Notice in particular that it is folded
neither from a classic base, nor from one of the blintzed bases which were
the obsession of Gershon Legman, who firmly believed  that in them lay the
future of paperfolding technique, nor from one of the composite bases which
were  the speciality of Dokuohtei Nakano.

The ad hoc "bases" that David Brill uses should be studied in their own
right. Max Hulme and Martin Wall developed similar ones of their own, with
similar splendid results This is a field of paperfolding technique that has
been neglected and which should be studied actively.

But in enquiring about Neal Elias's elephant, I was asking not about the
repertoire today, but about the time around 1970, which is the period when
Gershon Legman was stating his opinion. I am trying to fit it into a history
of the development of paperfolding technique, and, welcome though I find
Joseph's comment, I should still like replies to my original question.

David Lister

Grimsby, England.

DLister891@AOL.com





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Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 08:52:47 -0300 (ADT)
From: reeds@openix.COM (Reeds Family)
Subject: Re: Models - ooh ahh ?  Florence Temko's Squawking Bird

>At 5:29 PM -0800 on 8/4/96, Laurie & Bruce wrote:
>
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Thanks to all who replied to my thousand crane queries and
>> top 10 origami in different classifications and other queries.
>> I will try to summarize soon, but there were some
>> models that I haven't heard of and dont know where to find them...

>> 4)Florence Temko's Squawking Bird
>
>In her book Paper Pandas and Jumping Frogs, Temko's got a model - Bird with
>Flapping Wings. However, I don't think it's her design, it's a traditional
>model that she diagrammed.
>
>*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
>Charles Knuffke mailto://knuffke@sirius.com
>*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*

About Florence Temko's Squawking Bird--It's not the Bird with Flapping
wings in the PANDAS AND JUMPING FROGS. I learned this from Florence Temko
at the American Booksellers Association meeting in NYC about 6 (?) years
ago. She was demonstrating it to advertise a new book  (handing out paper
that had been already marked iwth the folds to help non-folders at the
ABA). But for complicated reasons, I couldn't buy the book then and haven't
been able to remember its name or track it down since. It's a wonderful,
pretty simple model.

Karen
Karen Reeds
reeds@openix.com





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Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 11:12:27 -0300 (ADT)
From: Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com
Subject: Re: my mail coming back to me?

Nick Robinson asked about listserver mail being returned.

Take a look at the header info that's included in the message. On occasion,
if the server used by a list subscriber will not accept mail for some
reason, an error message will be sent to the person who originally sent
the mail. I have noticed this happening pretty often lately. It may always
be the same server, but I haven't paid enough attention to it to notice.

A couple of years ago someone pursued the reasons for this and posted them
up this message.

> I've recently found my listserver mail coming back to me with
>no title or originator

This may be a different problem than the one I described above.

>I *had* switched off the "copy to self" option, but forget how
>I did it!

I've forgotten the exact syntax to change this. Send a message to the
listserv (listserv@nstn.ca) with the message: help set
You will get a message about the various ways you can set up the
way you receive your mail.

Lisa (help! help!)
Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com





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Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 12:11:54 -0300 (ADT)
From: Rjlang@aol.com
Subject: "Origami" CD-ROM is here!

Hi all,

After many months (far longer than I ever thought), "Origami: the Secret Life
of Paper," our CD-ROM, is finally out. It's being shown at Macworld in
Boston, will soon be on your retailer's shelves, and you can order it
directly from Casady & Greene, the publisher (publisher of Conflict Catcher,
Infogenie, et al).

Version 1.0 is Mac-only (sorry, WinFolks), but version 1.1 will be
cross-platform and (I am told) will be out around Christmas.

For those who came in recently, "Origami" contains video instructions for 12
simple models (many of which are probably familiar to origami folk, but this
part's targeted to beginners), a drawing tool that lets you color parts of
the finished model and print out squares with the colors & patterns in the
right places; a walk-through origami gallery with over 100 photos of models
by 35 of the top folders in the world (Yoshizawa, Kawahata, Brill, Montroll,
Casey,...well, you get the picture); tutorials on origami and mathematics;
histories of paper and origami; origami activities around the world; a
bibliography of origami books and references; all tied together with a
hypertext origami glossary.

If you're interested, you can place an order or get more info from Casady &
Greene as follows:

----------
[From Casady & Greene]

Suggested retail price for "Origami" is $59.95 and our direct price is $41.95
plus shipping and handling.  We ship:
UPS Ground ..................................$7.50
UPS 2nd Day.................................$10.00
UPS Next Day Red............................$17.50
UPS International(insured & guaranteed).....$45.00
Air Mail (uninsured & not guaranteed).......$10.00

To place an order direct from C&G you may fax or phone it in.
Fax number is (408) 484-9218.
Voice number is (408) 484-9228 or
Toll Free at 800-359-4920.

You may also order by mail. Please include name, address, phone, check, money
order in US Funds or credit card number with expiration date. We accept Visa,
Master Card, or American Express.

For more information, contact:

C&G Sales
Luisa@casadyg.com
----------

[Robert again]

Thanks to all of them members of this list who contributed -- several of you
are in the gallery and many others were part of our dedicated corps of beta
testers. Hope you like the final product!

Robert J. Lang
rjlang@aol.com





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Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 12:12:21 -0300 (ADT)
From: Rjlang@aol.com
Subject: Re: Wet Fold Paper

Joseph Wu sez:

> What I consider to be the best wet-folding paper (and I think that Robert
> Lang agrees...correct me if I'm wrong, Robert) is a paper called "marble"
> by Wyndstone. It used to be called "elephant hide" and can still be found
> under that name in certain places.

Actually, they are two different papers. 'Marble' is indeed made by Wyndstone
(in Chicago) and is widely available in the U.S. 'Elephant hide' (or
'Elephantenhaut') is made by Zanders (sp?) (in Germany) and is less widely
available in the U.S. (although I have it on good word that Fascinating Folds
may soon carry it). The two papers are very similar; my feeling is that
Elephant Hide folds a bit better, but it smells like moldy socks when you wet
it. (Thus do we suffer for our art.)

Robert J. Lang
rjlang@aol.com





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Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 14:20:15 -0300 (ADT)
From: chall@scsn.net (Carol Hall)
Subject: moveable octagon/magic star/coaster

The magic star 8-piece modular seems to be quite a popular model.  It is in
Robert Neale's _Plain and Fancy_ as his design.  This also seems to be the
same design attributed to Kasahara in Kasahara and Gray's _ Magic of Origami_.

Is this a case of parallel creation?  Anyone know?

Carol Hall
chall@scsn.net





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Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 14:50:59 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jeannine Mosely <j9@concentra.com>
Subject: Re: Comments, opinions, advice sought on copyrights

   On Mon, 29 Jul 1996, Joseph Wu wrote:

   > I am becoming increasingly miffed as I find more and more people passing
   > off other people's work as their own on the Web.
   etc, etc, etc.

   Joseph:
   I have a sort of solution to your problem, I think. There's a program
   called Afterburner that can encrypt pictures so that they can be shown on
   a web page but not used outside of that page. If anyone tries to copy
   them, all they get is gibberish.  This may be a bit extreme, but in an
   extreme situation, if you feel there is nothing left to do, give it a try.
   One drawback: I believe the program is just a plug-in for Freehand; in
   any case that is the capacity in which I have it. There may be similar
   programs out there that work independently.

   just my $0.02 US.
   Alasdair

I don't think this is proof against all forms of piracy.  There are
lots of programs, such as "xv", that will let you grab, manipulate and
store the bitmap on any portion of your screen.  You may not be able
to steal someone's gif file, but if you can view it, you can copy it.

        -- Jeannine Mosely





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Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 15:56:23 -0300 (ADT)
From: RA Kennedy <kennedra@isdugp.bham.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Models - ooh ahh ?

>
> > 3)Ed Sullivan's "Un-unfoldable Box"
>
> Ed Sullivan's Un-Foldable box is in both Kennedy's "Complete Origami" and

I hope this is not horribly impolite, but I think the author is Eric Kenneway,
rather than Kennedy.

Richard (Kennedy)
(R.A.Kennedy@bham.ac.uk)





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Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 16:09:17 -0300 (ADT)
From: Gretchen Klotz <gren@agora.rdrop.com>
Subject: Re: 3-D Shapes and Paper ideas?

On Thu, 1 Aug 1996, Kristine Tomlinson wrote:

>     1.  Has anyone seen origami paper with a bamboo motif or print?
>     Preferrably in earth or muted tones.  I checked the Origami Source
>     catalog with no luck.

Loose Ends has bamboo paper.  Their prints tend to be fairly large (life
size? I don't have a swatches, alas), and *are* the natural colors of
bamboo (browns to greens, sometimes with a cream background).  Since Loose
Ends has dropped the ball on cutting their paper into squares for the
zillions of us who would prefer to buy it that way, you'd have to buy it
by the sheet and cut it into squares yourself.  (I'll pick up that
proverbial ball the next time I have an opportunity to drive down there.)

The bamboo papers are on pages 11, 49, 50, 52, 56, and 60 of the current
catalog.  Some of them are printed patterns, others have actual bamboo
fibers or leaves imbedded in the paper.  The "Grass" paper (p. 54, item
#276-02) might be suitably-proportioned for working in miniature.

For a catalog, send $5 to:

        Loose Ends
        PO Box 20310
        Keizer, OR  97307

Or call (with your VISA handy) (503) 393-2348.  Ask them how they are
doing after the spring flood, and tell them they should offer pre-cut
origami squares! :-)

I also have 2 ideas for irregular rocks.  One is to start with Sam
Ciulla's Stellated Octahedron (yes, we know it's not a *true* octahedron)
in Gross's _The Art of Origami_.  If you add the last instruction "Give to
a cat or toddler for 5 minutes," it becomes quite irregular. ;-)

My second rock idea would be some of the patterns from Fuse's new _Boxes
within Boxes_.  I haven't seen the book yet, only some of the models that
go inside others.  There might even be something with the "right"
proportions!

Your origami garden sounds lovely, Kristine.  Will we get to see photos on
the web when you are finished?

- Gretchen

--
gren@agora.rdrop.com         http://www.ogi.edu/~gren/





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Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 23:20:57 -0300 (ADT)
From: hull@MATH.URI.EDU
Subject: Re: moveable octagon/magic star/coaster

Hey!  Carol Hall writes:

> The magic star 8-piece modular seems to be quite a popular model.  It is in
> Robert Neale's _Plain and Fancy_ as his design.  This also seems to be the
> same design attributed to Kasahara in Kasahara and Gray's _ Magic of Origami_.
>
> Is this a case of parallel creation?  Anyone know?

        I think I know!  First of all, Neale's book is called _Origami,
Plain and Simple_.  When I was working on this book with Bob, he told
me that some kind of mix-up occured, and that's the only reason why
he wasn't given credit in Kasahara & Gray's _Magic of Origami_.  Gray
certainly was aware that this model was Neale's design.  I don't know
where the blame falls for this one, but I believe that it's clear to
all that it's Bob Neale's sole creation, not a parallel discovery.
        At least, that's how Bob tells me!

------------ Tom "totally scrumptious" Hull





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Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 01:31:16 -0300 (ADT)
From: marckrsh@nyc.pipeline.com (Marc Kirschenbaum)
Subject: Yet even more diagrams

At this last convention, a number of people had requested diagrams for one
of my latest models, *The Missionary.* I have scanned in diagrams for this
model, and I can now make them available through e-mail. I know the name of
this model is not very descriptive, so for the record, the subject matter
has virtualy nothing to do with members of the clergy. rather, this is a
model of adult nature (the name refers to the sexual position), so I might
imagine some individuals might find the model to be offensive in nature.
Just for the record, the model is not too graphic (well, I guess you can
not get too graphicaly explicit with origami anyway), and if I do say so
myself, I think it is one of my better works. As an aside, it is one of the
few models my parents wanted to have for their display for their posh
living quarters.

If you are interested in receiving diagrams for this model, send me an
e-mail privately (not to origami-l), to :

marckrsh@pipeline.com

The 5 files are all in GIF format. The file sizes are 83KB, 761KB, 83KB,
81KB, and 153KB. The model level is somewhere between high-intermediate and
complex , and feature (?) my inimmitable hand drawn style. The final
drawing is a scanned image of a finished model.

In the event I am inundated with requests (this has happened with my last
offering), it might be easier to upload it to the FTP site. Would anyone
have a severe opposition to this? If so, please let me know. Marc





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Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 10:41:42 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Economics & Statistics Division, HM Customs & Excise"
     <hmce.esd@gtnet.gov.uk>
Subject: Diagrams for Flower Models

Hi,

I am new to origami and have just started folding.  Can anyone help me find
diagrams for good flower models ?  I already have the lily and iris (both
from the lily / frog base), and have also seen some very complicated looking
roses.  Are there any good books about flower models or other sources that
anyone knows about ?  I would be grateful for any help.

Jonathan Smith





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Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 11:24:04 -0300 (ADT)
From: Maarten van Gelder <M.J.van.Gelder@rc.rug.nl>
Subject: New version of ORIDRAW in archives

To those who use my package ORIDRAW:

ORIDRAW is updated to level 3.2. The new version is in the archives in
directory programs/oridraw.

Maarten van Gelder,           Rekencentrum RuG,  RijksUniversiteit Groningen
M.J.van.Gelder@rc.rug.nl                         Nederland





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Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 17:19:03 -0300 (ADT)
From: hull@MATH.URI.EDU
Subject: Another origami-math-education talk

Hi everybody!  Here's another announcement:

        At this year's Eastern Regional NCTM (National Council of Teachers
of Mathematics) Conference I'll be giving a three-hour workshop on
using origami in the high school and college classroom, titled
"Origami: How to do Math without Scissors or Glue".  The conference
will be this October 10-12 in Baltimore, MD.  My talk will be on
Thursday (the 10th) from 9am-12pm.
        Topics I'll be covering will include:
        (1) origami geometric constructions
        (2) teaching graph theory using modular origami
            (e.g., the Sonobe unit, Neale's dodecahedron unit and
             other zig-zag units)
        (3) self-similar origami and attempts at origami fractals
        (4) Haga's Theorem and other Haga-esque projects

        From what I understand, the NCTM is very strict against people
"crashing" their conferences, so I can't recommend that anyone attend
unless that go through the registration process. (The price ranges
depending on if your a student, NCTM member, or other.)  For info
on this conference, write to
        National Council of Teachers of Mathemetics
        1906 Association Drive
        Reston, VA  20191-1539
        tel: (703) 620-98400  fax: (703) 476-2970
        email: nctm@nctm.org
        http://www.nctm.org

        I hope to see some of you there!

------------------- Tom "got milk?" Hull





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Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 19:38:48 -0300 (ADT)
From: marckrsh@nyc.pipeline.com (Marc Kirschenbaum)
Subject: New diagrams at the archives

Due to a very positive responce, I have placed my diagrams for *The
Missionary* at the archives. I was impressed that all responses went right
to me and not to the list; good job! I had a few people specificaly request
the placement of the diagrams to the archives, as it would be easier to
download them from there. To repeat, this model depicts the sexual
position, so some individuals might not find the subject matter suitable
for viewing. I have included a reademe file, to explain the contents of the
GIF files I sent over.

For those of you who have forgotten, the archives is an FTP site at :

ftp.rug.nl

After logging in anonymously, you will find the origami directory. My files
can be found within the /incoming directory. They will probably be moved
eventually to the models.bin directory.

Since the diagrams are now at the archive, I have no plans of e-mailing
them out to those who requested them. If you really have trouble getting
them from there, send me a special request to:

marckrsh@pipeline.com

and I will accomodate you. The diagrams are also at the
alt.binaries.pictures.origami newsgroup, for those of you who would find it
easier.

I also would like to thank everyone for the graet comments (and this is
before seeing the model). I am still curios as to what people think of it.
It was nice to see a wide variety of people request this work.

Marc





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Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 21:21:21 -0300 (ADT)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Neal Elias's Elephants

David Lister asked about elephants created by Neal Elias and Gershon
Legman's claim that one of them is the best elephant ever designed. Not
realizing that this statement was made around 1970, I promptly went off
track and proposed that David Brill's elephant to be the best ever. Anyway,
now properly chastened, I've gone and looked up what I could on Neal Elias
elephants.

>From V'Ann Cornelius's OriIndex via Alex Bateman's search page:

              elephant                         Creator: Neal Elias
                 Folding Money II, p. 116  By: Randlett, (ed)
                 Begin w/ a 3:7  folding into book base.
                 level: L  #/steps: 16
                 This model works well with money p

I don't have that book, but I do have photocopied versions of the BOS's
"Neal Elias: Miscellaneous Folds - I" and "Miscellaneous Folds - II".
Unfortunately, they are incomplete. In MFI, there is a $elephant that appears
either of these elephants would qualify for such an accolade as Mr. Legman
bestowed. The only other Elias book I have, "Selected Works", also has no
elephant.

The only candidate I could find in my library is the drawing on the cover
of MFI. My copy has no diagrams, but I don't know if I am missing those
pages or if it was not included. The elephant depicted there is a
trumpeting African elephant. Most of the relavent details are there to
distinguish it from an Indian elephant: shoulders higher than haunches,
"baggy" hind legs that widen at the legs, and large floppy ears. I can't
tell from the drawing if the tip of the trunk has two "fingers" or not. My
one complaint is that there is not enough definition between the ears and
the head, making it look like the head is "all ears". There are tusks,
however.

Well, that's as far as I can get on this one. Can anyone with a better library
shed some more light on this?

          Joseph Wu           | There are no ordinary people. You have never
  origami@planet.datt.co.jp   | talked to a mere mortal. Nations, cultures,
 Webmaster, the Origami Page  | arts, civilisations--these are mortal....
http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami | But it is immortals whom we joke with, work
  Webmaster, DATT Japan Inc.  | with, marry, snub, and exploit....
    http://www.datt.co.jp     | --C.S. Lewis, "The Weight of Glory"





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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 00:40:03 -0300 (ADT)
From: jdharris@post.cis.smu.edu (Jerry D. Harris)
Subject: Re: Neal Elias's Elephants

>The only candidate I could find in my library is the drawing on the cover
>of MFI. My copy has no diagrams, but I don't know if I am missing those
>pages or if it was not included. The elephant depicted there is a
>trumpeting African elephant. Most of the relavent details are there to
>distinguish it from an Indian elephant: shoulders higher than haunches,
>"baggy" hind legs that widen at the legs, and large floppy ears. I can't
>tell from the drawing if the tip of the trunk has two "fingers" or not. My
>one complaint is that there is not enough definition between the ears and
>the head, making it look like the head is "all ears". There are tusks,
>however.

        This sounds like a perfect description of Elias's "Elephant" (from
a 2x1 rectangle) on pp. 77-81 of Robert Harbin's _Origami 4_.  I've made
it; it doesn't have the "fingers" at the tips of the trunk.  It's made from
the same essential base as his "Centaur" from Ansill's _Mythical Beings_.
FWIW, I don't think it's a terrific elephant model by modern standards, but
seeing as how Elias probably created long before the modern "renaissance"
of origami, it was probably considered quite a feat back then!  8-)

        Hope this helps!

Jerry D. Harris                       (214) 768-2750
Dept. of Geological Sciences          FAX:  (214) 768-2701
Southern Methodist University         jdharris@post.smu.edu
Box 750395                            (CompuServe:  73132,3372)
Dallas  TX  75275-0395

"Tyrannosaurs, though rarely seen, are certainly still around.
And no one knows just where or when the next one will be found."

                                  -- Calvin (aka Bill Watterson)
                                    .    .
                              .-_  /:\  /'\ .
                             /'''\/:::\/'''/:\
                         .---_'''/:::::\''/:::\----.
 .  .            .    .  \::: \''\:::::/''\:::/'__/_ .
 \\_\\_       /\/:\/\/:\/ \_:::\__\---/----\_/'/ :::/
  \ \\_\______\_\_/\/\_/\__\\_/    o  o  o  \_/::::/ ___ .
   \___\__________              o           o    \//''''/
                  \______     o                o   \''_/   _----_
                        \__  /     '            o  \/:\  / ....-/





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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 01:28:06 -0300 (ADT)
From: marckrsh@nyc.pipeline.com (Marc Kirschenbaum)
Subject: Re: Neal Elias's Elephants

On Aug 06, 1996 21:21:21, 'Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>' wrote:

>David Lister asked about elephants created by Neal Elias and Gershon
>Legman's claim that one of them is the best elephant ever designed. Not
>realizing that this statement was made around 1970, I promptly went off
>track and proposed that David Brill's elephant to be the best ever.
Anyway,
>now properly chastened, I've gone and looked up what I could on Neal Elias

>elephants.
>
>>From V'Ann Cornelius's OriIndex via Alex Bateman's search page:
>
>elephant                         Creator: Neal Elias
>Folding Money II, p. 116  By: Randlett, (ed)
>Begin w/ a 3:7  folding into book base.
>level: L  #/steps: 16
>This model works well with money p
>
>I don't have that book, but I do have photocopied versions of the BOS's
>"Neal Elias: Miscellaneous Folds - I" and "Miscellaneous Folds - II".
>Unfortunately, they are incomplete. In MFI, there is a $elephant that
appears
>to be different from the one in "Folding Money II". Somehow, I doubt that
>either of these elephants would qualify for such an accolade as Mr. Legman

>bestowed. The only other Elias book I have, "Selected Works", also has no
>elephant.
>

The Elephant being refered to here is probably the one found in Robert
Harbin's *Origami  4.* In my edition, it can be found on page 77. This is
one of Neil Elias' better models, and still holds up today as a great
model. His dollar bill elephans are very good as well, but it would be
inapropriate to compare them to Brill's *Elephant.* I have seen a lot of
good elephant models out there, and I would have a hard time deeming one to
be the best. I must say, however, that the new elephant Robert Lang had on
display this year hold up quite well against Brill's. It even looked pretty
good considering that Lang forgot to remove much of the packing materials
while it was on display (he later removed it during the convention).
Modesty aside, my own elephant is by far the most efficient for its level
of realism (it is about twice as large as its contenders). Hope this helps.
Marc





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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 02:11:21 -0300 (ADT)
From: Wayne Ko <Herman_Ko@mindlink.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Origami Sayings (Cute T-shirts Discussion?)

How about the following?

Origami fold ever.  (May have been mentioned before.)

Your well-being in creases many folds with Origami.  (This should be
original, but if any one have thought of this already they can claim credit
for it.)

Happy folding,

Wayne Ko





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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 09:25:52 -0300 (ADT)
From: kkinney@med.unc.edu (Kevin Kinney)
Subject: Odd Figure Request

Hi Folks,
        I am also on a list devoted to balloon twisting, and the subject
of giving balloon figures to very small children has again recently come
up.  One or two twisters have come up with an alternative:  giving the
little ones an origami figue, which presents a much smaller choking hazard
than a latex balloon.

        My question for you folks is this:  does anyone have an origami
figure depicting a "balloon dog"?  You know, the one everybody learns to
make if they learn to twist anything.  I'd love to pass that along to the
twisters as a cute alternative.

        If no one has one, I guess I'll just have to take a shot at
inventing one (not that I've had much success in that area so far).

        If you do have one, or want more clarification, let me now, please

Kevin Kinney
kkinney@med.unc.edu





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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 10:35:05 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kristine Tomlinson <ktomlinson@platinum.com>
Subject: Re: 3-D Shapes and Paper Ideas

    Thanks to the many people who have responded with ideas on the listserv
    and to me privately about locating bamboo paper and creating rocks.

    Sorry, for this generic thank-you, but I'm working on an ongoing
    deadline and time is very limited.

    The current model is really a very simple proof-of-concept. It was a
    way to learn what the benefits and limitations were to translating rock
    garden design philosophy to origami.  If any are interested in the
    details arrived at so far, I can post them (after my deadline :-).

    Thanks again to you all!

    Kristine
    ktomlinson@platinum.com
    Waltham, MA





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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 12:25:30 -0300 (ADT)
From: bob@maggie.pentek.com (Bob)
Subject: Re: New diagrams at the archives

>>On Aug 6, Marc Kirschenbaum wrote:
>>
>>Due to a very positive responce, I have placed my diagrams for *The
>>Missionary* at the archives.

Hi Marc,

I visited the ftp.rug.nl site this morning, but I couldn't locate `The
Missionary' files.  Having never downloaded from ftp.rug.nl, I have two
general questions:

- what's the full path to /incoming?

- is the directory visible?  if it's not, what are the names of the files
  I need to download.

Thanks,
Bob
bob@pentek.com





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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 12:44:20 -0300 (ADT)
From: Maarten van Gelder <M.J.van.Gelder@rc.rug.nl>
Subject: Re: New diagrams at the archives

These diagrams including the read.me file are in the archives now at
directory:

   models.bin/missionary

m> Due to a very positive responce, I have placed my diagrams for *The
m> Missionary* at the archives. I was impressed that all responses went right
m> to me and not to the list; good job! I had a few people specificaly request
m> the placement of the diagrams to the archives, as it would be easier to
m> download them from there. To repeat, this model depicts the sexual
m> position, so some individuals might not find the subject matter suitable
m> for viewing. I have included a read.me file, to explain the contents of
m> the GIF files I sent over.

Maarten van Gelder,           Rekencentrum RuG,  RijksUniversiteit Groningen
M.J.van.Gelder@rc.rug.nl                         Nederland





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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 13:45:00 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jennifer Andre <JAndre@cfipro.com>
Subject: Cute(?) T-shirt

     While working on a "senbazuru" project, we "developed" this witty,
     deep (at least it seemed that way usually anytime after 1AM),
     "go-for-it" phrase and actually considered putting it on t-shirts:

     "Shut Up and Fold!"

     Of necessity, back to LURK.

     Take care, everyone!

     - Jennifer
     JAndre@cfipro.com

     PS - "senbazuru" = 1K cranes, if you don't already know.  It's a lot.





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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 17:50:28 -0300 (ADT)
From: Sheila Davis <sew@hpfisew.fc.hp.com>
Subject: Fuse book for sale

        Well, I managed to do it again.

        On a recent trip to San Francisco, I picked up a really great
        looking origami book.  Upon returning home, I discovered I
        already have it.

        The book is Origami Spiral by Fuse Tomoko (Origami Wonderland
        Series #2).  It's 78 pages of intermediate level stuff--mostly
        abstract.

        I paid $21 for it, so I'll sell it to the first person who
        wants it for that (add a bit for shipping).

        Please reply to me directly, not to the list.

        Thanks!

Regards,

  Sheila Davis        Hewlett-Packard IC Business Division
 sew@hpfisew.fc.hp.com          Fort Collins, Colorado
