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Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 21:41:36 -0300 (ADT)
From: Steve Vinik <z007169b@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us>
Subject: Re: (Swedish?) Story with origami model

I know a version of this fold. But I don't know where the swastika comes
from. I can get the letters H, E, L, L and a cross out of a rectangle of
paper, but it involves one cut along the vertical center, the pieces
unfold and combine. I learned it from a Japanese priest when I was in
grade school. But I might have it a little wrong. It does work, however.

Steve Vinik
z007169b@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us

+++++Check out my Cursillo web site at++++
http://members.aol.com/ifold/cursillo.html

> >The gist of it is:  a piece of paper is folded.  The story:  Three people
> >have died & are about to meet St. Peter & one-by-one each person is asked
> >to show him their paper.  The first one unfolds the paper in a manner to
> >spell out Hell.  The second one unfolds his paper and its in the shape of
> >a swastika (this is all done with the same piece of paper).  The third one
> >unfolds the paper & it forms a tall cross.
> >
> >Christopher (the Swede) got very frustrated because he couldn't remember
> >how to do it.  Do you have any clues?





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Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 21:45:21 -0300 (ADT)
From: "MARGARET M. BARBER" <mbarber@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu>
Subject: Re: Cute Origami T-Shirts

Neil Alexander asks for catchy origami-isms
  -- What about the Peace of Paper.

Peg Barber
mbarber@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu





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Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 22:10:21 -0300 (ADT)
From: PenneyA@aol.com
Subject: Re: Cute Origami T-Shirts

or "Folders sink to higher heights"





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Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 22:56:30 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Na. (NAKANISHI Ken-ichi)" <nakanish@pd.scei.sony.co.jp>
Subject: Re: TV Champion origami contest

In mail <199607281606.NAA08102@Owl.nstn.ca>
    Marcia Mau <marcia.mau@pressroom.com> wrote:
> Hatori Masaru, a sushi chef used insects, sea urchin, raccoon, and goshu, a
         ====== Masao
> club.  Hatsume Mitsuko is an o. teacher who likes to fold linked cranes.
         ======= ======= HATSUNE Mineko
> Thumbelina was made from a waterbomb head and pleated paper body.  Hatori
> Koshiro is from Tokyo U.  He likes to fold shells and to fold a pegasus
                  ======= Univ. of Tokyo

> I found watching this program a great break from Olympics coverage.  It was
> related - an origami olympics!

The recording of the "2nd Origami Champion" was held just after
the Atlanta Olympic had started.  It will appear on TV in August,
maybe.  I know who will appear, but I cannot tell the name of
athletes yet:-).  Let's check TV section of newspaper and the
trailers of "TV Champion" not to miss the program.

--
nakanish@pd.scei.sony.co.jp (NAKANISHI Ken-ichi, not Kenichi Nakanishi)





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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 01:22:50 -0300 (ADT)
From: TrekDBob@aol.com
Subject: Including models in the mail

Carol (and anyone else interested)

Sometimes I use a model as a "seal" on the outside of the envelope - usually
on the flap. Paul Weinberg, in New York, sent me a letter with a rather - I
thought - clever origami seal. Basically, you fold a bird base, open in up
and cut it in half diagonally. Then, you fold each half to make a bird -
using the creases that are there. I know that is a pretty bad decription, but
I think if you fold a bird base real quick, and cut it in half, you will see
what I mean. I guess you would be rabbit ear-ring the acute angles of the
triangle...

Then you glue it onto the flap.

Dee





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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 01:38:27 -0300 (ADT)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Comments, opinions, advice sought on copyrights

I am becoming increasingly miffed as I find more and more people passing
off other people's work as their own on the Web. Obviously, this is a
personal gripe, or else I'd not have said anything. I'm finding more and
more origami home pages on the Web that feature photos that I've presented
on my page (as well as photos belonging to others as presented on their own
pages). No permission was asked to use these photos, and no credit is given
as to the source of the photos. I don't mind if people use my photos. If I
did, I wouldn't have put them on the Web. But is it asking too much to be
asked before the photos are taken, and to be acknowledged? I think not, but
others may not agree. Perhaps some people merely do not think of such
things? Anyway, I don't want to kill my Origami Page because of this, but
I'd like to do something about it. Any suggestions, opinions, or comments
are welcome. If you think that this public forum is not the place for this
discussion, please e-mail me privately. Thanks.

          Joseph Wu           | There are no ordinary people. You have never
  origami@planet.datt.co.jp   | talked to a mere mortal. Nations, cultures,
 Webmaster, the Origami Page  | arts, civilisations--these are mortal....
http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami | But it is immortals whom we joke with, work
  Webmaster, DATT Japan Inc.  | with, marry, snub, and exploit....
    http://www.datt.co.jp     | --C.S. Lewis, "The Weight of Glory"





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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 02:24:23 -0300 (ADT)
From: "arien kismet del'tai" <arien@blegga.omnigroup.com>
Subject: Re: Comments, opinions, advice sought on copyrights

Delurking to reply to Joseph Wu -- personally, I certainly don't think that
it's asking too much to be asked before people use someone's photos on a web
page, and then to be acknowledged.  It'd be different if you had graphics set
up as a page of nifty icons for people to use, but this context seems quite
different.

What are some good ways to attribute discreetly?  h6 underneath the picture,
perhaps with a link to the author's page?

---
|> "Anyone can have the harmony, if they would leave us the counterpoint." <|
|>  --Dorothy Sayers' _Gaudy Night_     //    arien@omnigroup.com          <|





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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 05:32:22 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Lauinger,p15" <Lauinger@06.bonn02.TELEKOM400.dbp.de>
Subject: Sergej Alfonkin

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Hi Bren,
Sergej gave me last June in Berlin his email address.

Sergej(a)origami.nit.spb.su

I hope I could help you
Dorisris





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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 05:38:51 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Lauinger,p15" <Lauinger@06.bonn02.TELEKOM400.dbp.de>
Subject: Re: Lego

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Hi Dorigami,
It's a little bit difficult to describe the model, but >I
try it:
There is one rectangular box and two "things" for fitting
together. These two look like a "pill box" or something
else.
But I think if you send me your fax number, I'll fax you
the diagramm I have.

The model is by P. D'auria, I think he is an Italian.  I
don't have more information about him.

I hope you'll enjoy the model.

Nice folding
Dorisris





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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 05:46:54 -0300 (ADT)
From: DLister891@aol.com
Subject: Protecting Copyright

Joseph Wu asks for ways to prevent other people from copying his Web pages
without permission.I write as an English lawyer (now retired), but the way
the law works and also the law of copyright are much the same in England as
in most of the United States.

 Of course, at any rate in theory, Joseph has the Law entirely behind him.
Nobody is ever enthusiastic about instituting a copyright case in the Courts.
The costs could be phenomenal. But don't rule out legal action altogether. If
the law is never invoked, it will be disregarded. A stitch in time can save
nine. A  well-chosen case can have miraculous results far beyond the
immediate complaint, and in a successful case costs may well be negligible or
even non-existent, depending on how the lawyer wants to charge.However, what
you must have for a cast iron and sucessful case is clear and provable
evidence. Cast iron case rarely come to court. So keep records.

It might, be a good idea just to consult a lawyer on at this stage. He could
review the particular facts and give specific advice and if you should need
him again, you have already made contact.
of other things you can do which fall short of all-out conflict.

The first thing to do is to make every page immediately identifiable as that
of Joseph Wu. Of course, make sure that the copyright sign (C), followed by
Joseph Wu and the year is consistently used.  (But the C must be within a
complete circle - I don't think I can show this on E-mail, but everyone knows
the international symbol.) Sprinkle it liberally about the text and
especially the diagrams: the more symbols there are, the harder it is to
copy.

In addition, however, try to incorporate small individual quirks in the text
and diagrams which wil not be readily noticed, but which will make them
easily identifiable as your own. The odd spelling mistake or individual use
of punctuation marks are useful for this purpose. A friend of mine who lives
in the United States protected his drawings of flags by drawing each flag
with a tiny turned up corner: it made any unauthorised reproduction
immediately identifiable. But he also incorporated other small deviations
into his drawings, which plagiarists would blithely copy, not realising that
they were not part of the original design and that they were giving
themselves away. And it really worked, because I knew of an instance.

Before the advent of the word processor and E-mail, the problem was with
usually ordinary photocopying, but I think that the same ideas would apply to
electronic copying using computers as well.

Next, you must jump sharply on any copying that comes to your notice - at
once and  without delay. A strongly worded letter sent by ordinary mail, with
a copy kept by you (not by E-mail) will often work wonders. If you do this
reguarly as a matter of course every time you come across a contravention,
your vigilance about copying will become generally known and people will be
less likely to attempt to copy your work: they will move over to softer
vicims. Demand that the offending matter must be withdrawn immediately.If you
have clear proof that it really is your work that has been copied, you are in
a very strong position.

If this fails, do not flinch from going to a lawyer. A single letter from a
lawyer often works miracles and  should not cost too much. (But make
enquiries about your lawyer first and find one  who charges sensible fees!)
Remember that if you have clear proof that your work has been stolen and that
the copyright sumbol was displayed, few offenders are likely to stand up to
even the threat of being sued.

Keep full copies of every instance  where your work is copied without
permission, with particulars of the date ,place and source. Keep hard copies
and not just electronic copies in your computer memory. Write on them the
date you found the offending material, what matter of your own was stolen and
anything else that may be relevant. You may, perhaps, be willing to overlook
one isolated instance, but if you discover more than one instance from the
same offender, then you will need evidence of every contravention from the
very start..

In the end, vigilance and an unwillingness to be sat upon are the best
weapons in the battle It may mean a bit more work in presenting uour material
and in keeping records, but it can save a lot of trouble, difficulty, work
and money for the future.

All strength to your arm!

David Lister

Grimsby, England.

DLister@891AOL.com





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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 06:59:21 -0300 (ADT)
From: Charles Knuffke <knuffke@sirius.COM>
Subject: Re: Comments, opinions, advice sought on copyrights

At 8:38 PM -0800 on 7/28/96, Joseph Wu wrote:

> I am becoming increasingly miffed as I find more and more people passing
> off other people's work as their own on the Web. Obviously, this is a
> personal gripe, or else I'd not have said anything. I'm finding more and
> more origami home pages on the Web that feature photos that I've presented
> on my page (as well as photos belonging to others as presented on their own
> pages)...
>

Joseph:

You may want to take a more active role and "brand" you're photos on your
web pages. I don't know how you're generating the GIF or JPEG images, but I
presume you're using photoshop or some similar program. You might want to
think about adding a watermark or signature to a corner of each photo.
While a name like mine would take up a lot of the image, a "WU" signature
would be short and to the point. It would definately let people know where
the images originated from.

The other obvious thought would be to include a paragraph on your web page
telling everyone what your thoughts are on the topic of "borrowing" images.
Are all images off limits? Can people use your images as long as credit is
given to the source? The web is still pretty generous when it comes to
borrowing things off other pages - just including your rules will probably
stop all but the most inconsiderate web authors.

The whole issue is a little sad. I personally can't imagine coping one of
your images and presenting it as my own work. Where's the reward in that?
It's much more satisfying to present something you created yourself on a
personal web page (giving credit to the original creator, of course) than
showcasing someone elses work. Although If I could get my hands on your pig
with wings ;-)

Hope you're not too upset. It would be tragic to lose your magnificent web
site because of the greed of others.

Regards.

*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
Charles Knuffke       "Amen the Thunderbolt in the Dark Void"
153 Divisadero                                  -Jack Kerouac
San Francisco CA 94104
mailto://knuffke@sirius.com





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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 11:11:03 -0300 (ADT)
From: "C:WINSOCKKA9QSPOOLMAIL" <nick@homelink.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Jan, where are you #34

Had this from Joan Homewood, who is anxious to hear from Jan.....

Nick

Need help again - just got a message back to say that the e-mail I sent to
Jan Polish 4 days ago could not be delivered!  Could you send via origami-l
a message to her to say that I have been trying to contact her, that I
was not able to "reply" to her message, and that I was asking what Mrs
Sano was interested in so that I know what to buy her for a present.
.... or tell me how to get a message onto origami-l myself - I did do
as I was told to subscribe but so far nothing has happened - I have not
been inundated with messages!

Best
Joan

cheers!

Nick Robinson

nick@homelink.demon.co.uk





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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 11:43:13 -0300 (ADT)
From: Yaacov Metzger <origami@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: re: beginner's books?

Lisa -

The book I always recommend for older beginners is definitely Gay Merril
Gross' "Origami Workshop". The models range from simple to intermediate,
with excellent diagrams, and most importantly, the models are all FUN! I
personally enjoy almost all the models in the book, and I find that kids
do too! The book is very colorful and attractively presented, which also
helps keep their interest. (For younger kids, Montroll's "Easy Origami"
is excellent, with easy to follow diagrams and minimal written
instructions - but they're all simple - older kids can get bored
quickly.)

Yaacov Metzger
origami@worldnet.att.net





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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 12:14:10 -0300 (ADT)
From: Alasdair Post-Quinn <acpquinn@panther.middlebury.edu>
Subject: Re: Comments, opinions, advice sought on copyrights

On Mon, 29 Jul 1996, Joseph Wu wrote:

> I am becoming increasingly miffed as I find more and more people passing
> off other people's work as their own on the Web.
etc, etc, etc.

Joseph:
I have a sort of solution to your problem, I think. There's a program
called Afterburner that can encrypt pictures so that they can be shown on
a web page but not used outside of that page. If anyone tries to copy
them, all they get is gibberish.  This may be a bit extreme, but in an
extreme situation, if you feel there is nothing left to do, give it a try.
One drawback: I believe the program is just a plug-in for Freehand; in
any case that is the capacity in which I have it. There may be similar
programs out there that work independently.

just my $0.02 US.
Alasdair





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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 12:23:48 -0300 (ADT)
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re Mini Convention CO-OP

Saturday,  Sept. 21, l996, from 10 to 4 o'clock

Hi....don't forget miniconvention at Monmouth Cty. Hdgts Library, Manalapan,
N. J. off of Rte 9,  about 5 miles north of   Freehold Raceway Malld in
Freehold, N. J.  Call Monmouth County Hdqts. Library for directions.
   Dorigami





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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 12:38:46 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Lauinger,p15" <Lauinger@06.bonn02.TELEKOM400.DBP.DE>
Subject: Ramrod <RWhite3671(a)gnn.com

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Ramrod <RWhite3671(a)gnn.com
I try to send you a fax with the diagramms
of Herman van Goubergen, but your fax is alwasy absent.
Do I have the right fax# ++1/770/919-5908?

Doris





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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 14:12:20 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Comments, opinions, advice sought on copyrights

<< re: Joseph Wu's post about finding work on other's
<< Web sites being used without attribution or permission>>

I have noticed his dragon photos on a few sites. On one
of these sites, a photo from my pages also appears. However,
in that particular case, though there is no indication of
this fact, the owner of the site asked and was given my
permission to use the photo, so when I saw other photos
on that site I assumed that in that particular case at least,
the page owner had permission to use the other photos also.

Lately I have taken to incorporating the copyright notice
in my photos and documents, though in the case of Joseph's
dragon, it would spoil the effect. This won't prevent others
from using the photos without permission, but does give some
recourse.

If the offending sites are hosted on Compuserve, America-On-Line,
most other major USA IP's, a corporate server, and perhaps some
educational institutions, complain to the webmaster of the host.
If the offender persists, the host can and will cancel service to the
offending site under their usage agreements, which specifically prohibit
copyright violations is web sites, file uploads, etc..

Among amateurs, though, I think most offenses are unintentional
or thoughtless; their browser has captured a really neat graphic
and they just go ahead and use it. A note asking them to desist
would probably suffice, though in Joseph Wu's case, tracking down
all the places would be a pain.

I have run into at least one case of a graphic on another
site that will not download or retrieve to the browser cache.
Perhaps the owner is using "Afterburner" or something like it
as Alasdair describes. That would be rather handy.

--valerie
Valerie Vann
75070.304@compuserve.com





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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 14:14:30 -0300 (ADT)
From: Nick Robinson <nick@homelink.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Yoshizawa's Pigeon

DLister891@aol.com sez

>My favourite for this purpose is Yoshizawa's Pigeon .Many years ago, Robert
>Harbin sent this fold in a letter to me. I thought it was exquisite.Three-D
>models had scarcely been invented in those days, and the bird is flat.

I'd agree whole-heartedly with this choice - I make dozens of them for
people & find it easy to 3D the finished result. It stands beautifully &
is so full of life. It is perhaps my favourite Yoshizawa design.

all the best,

Nick Robinson
nick@homelink.demon.co.uk

                           ***  Origami Deutschland!   ***





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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 14:27:21 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jansill@aol.com
Subject: Rodin's Thinker

I have a Rodin's THINKER from a BOS booklet of Neal Elias' work, but I would
be curious to see if there are other versions of it.

Time is of the essence, though. I need to give one to a friend as soon as
possible.

Thanks

Jay





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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 17:39:07 -0300 (ADT)
From: Anne R LaVin <lavin@MIT.EDU>
Subject: Re: Comments, opinions, advice sought on copyrights

(Re: Joseph's problem with GIF theft)

As another technique for identifying your graphics, you can insert
comments into GIF files themselves.  This is hardly foolproof, as
anyone with the appropriate tool can later strip out the comments, but
it takes a certain amount of wizardry to deal with things like that,
and is not something most people would think to check.  While it
doesn't address the theft part, it can make it easier to show that the
graphics are actually *yours*.

There's a shareware tool called GIFTOOL which lets you easily insert
comments into graphics.  More details can be found at:

        http://www.homepages.com/tools/giftool/

(It's a command-line application for UNIX-type machines, Linux and DOS.)

Anne R. LaVin       |"Say, Pooh, why aren't YOU busy?" I said.|  \|/ ____ \|/
lavin@mit.edu       |"Because it's a nice day," said Pooh.    |   @~/ ,. \~@
(617) 258-7940      |"Yes, but---"                            |  /_( \__/ )_\
Foreign Langs & Lits|"Why ruin it?" he said.                  |     \__U_/





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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 18:31:16 -0300 (ADT)
From: R Hudson <rhudson@roo.Netrax.Net>
Subject: Re: Comments, opinions, advice sought on copyrights

Actually, my opinion is: save the effort.  If you see a violation, first
contact the person to resolve the dispute.  If the party is unreceptive,
simply post his or her name somewhere public and shame them into
compliance.

I hardly think the origami web world is full of hardened master criminals
(with the exception of Ayture-Scheele :) ) that need to be quashed
beneath the heels of elaborate software packages.

Just stop it when you see it.

Or have there been "repeat offenders"?

Rob





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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 22:27:02 -0300 (ADT)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: More on intellectual property on the Web

Thank you all who have replied, both publicly and privately. Here is a
summary of some of the comments so far, as well as some thoughts on each of
them. I also include a few points that I've forgotten to mention before.

1. If permission to use the images is usually given as long as proper
attribution is given, why require the asking of permission?

  Mainly, because I'd like to know! More to the point, I'd like to be able
  to ensure that the images are being used in a proper manner.

2. Mark all images as being mine.

  This is a labour-intensive project, given the number of images. However,
  if laziness is the only reason I can give as to why I'm not doing this,
  then I deserve to have stuff stolen from me! But marks on images detracts
  from them. A mark at the edge of the image can be easily cropped off, and
  a mark in the middle of the image obscures it. GIF labeling works well as
  an "invisible" mark, but there is no such option for JPEG files (which
  form the bulk of my pages).

3. Communicate my concern to the offenders.

  I'm already in the process of doing this. But there are other concerns in
  doing this. See below.

4. Shame people into compliance.

  Posting a list of offenders on my page might work. But see below.

5. Initiate a lawsuit.

  I would like to avoid this (and all other "strong arm" methods) if at all
  possible. As have been proven already on this mailing list, people who
  pursue the enforcement of copyright are generally not considered very
  highly. I would like to believe that this problem can be resolved without
  hard feelings, but that may not be possible. Also, there are several
  points that must be considered in this issue.

  Fair use: American copyright law, as far as I can recall, allows for the
  use of copyrighted material as long as it falls under the "fair use"
  clause. What constitutes fair use? I think a good example would be Eric
  Anderson's (sorry, Eric) list of links to other origami pages
  <http://www.netspace.org/~ema/oriweb.html>. He includes images from
  various pages as part of his link list. I believe that this fits under
  fair use. Another, more tenuous example would be ".net" magazine which
  ran a review of my page in its Spring 1996 issue. Several photos were
  included, some of which had been "artistically" cropped. Permission was
  not asked, nor was notice even given (one would think that a magazine
  would do a better job than that!). So, anyway, judgement must be made in
  each case as to whether or not the use of the images falls under "fair
  use".

  Encouraging students: I've come across a page that seems to be a school
  project by some high school students. Given the quality of the English,
  the students seem to be ones who have difficulties in school and I really
  don't want to discourage them in their efforts to learn! I have managed
  to track down an e-mail address for the teacher, however, so I will be
  contacting him.

          Joseph Wu           | There are no ordinary people. You have never
  origami@planet.datt.co.jp   | talked to a mere mortal. Nations, cultures,
 Webmaster, the Origami Page  | arts, civilisations--these are mortal....
http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami | But it is immortals whom we joke with, work
  Webmaster, DATT Japan Inc.  | with, marry, snub, and exploit....
    http://www.datt.co.jp     | --C.S. Lewis, "The Weight of Glory"





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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 23:46:26 -0300 (ADT)
From: Caslegona@aol.com
Subject: Re: Cute Origami T-Shirts

May the Peace/Piece of Paper Be With You?





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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 00:15:12 -0300 (ADT)
From: jeffgoff@synergy.net (Jeffrey Goff)
Subject: Re: Cute Origami T-Shirts

"Why yes, I fold under pressure!"

(Somewhat apropos for MacWorld, I must say :-()
I'm a Mac owner myself, so no disparagement was meant.

Not original, I hasten to admit. I've seen it in a book somewhere.

-Jeff <jeffgoff@synergy.net>





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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 05:55:08 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Lauinger,p15" <Lauinger@06.bonn02.TELEKOM400.dbp.de>
Subject: Lawrence Couey

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Hi Lawrence,
I try to send you a fax. But I got always the message
"absent". Are you living in the USA or Canada?
I used the fax# ++1/801-862-2990. Please write again your
fax number with the complete country code.
Thanks
Dorisris





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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 09:17:11 -0300 (ADT)
From: frr@opal.cs.brown.edu
Subject: Re: More on intellectual property on the Web

Joseph Wu wrote:

> 2. Mark all images as being mine.
>
>   This is a labour-intensive project, given the number of images. However,
>   if laziness is the only reason I can give as to why I'm not doing this,
>   then I deserve to have stuff stolen from me! But marks on images detracts
>   from them. A mark at the edge of the image can be easily cropped off, and
>   a mark in the middle of the image obscures it. GIF labeling works well as
>   an "invisible" mark, but there is no such option for JPEG files (which
>   form the bulk of my pages).
>

You can imbed data inside graphics files _without_ causing any noticable
change in the appearance of the files by using a technique called
steganography.  A list of steganography programs for various platforms
can be found at http://www.sevenlocks.com/SteganographySoftware.htm .

                                    - Fred





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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 11:30:21 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Lauinger,p15" <Lauinger@06.bonn02.TELEKOM400.dbp.de>
Subject: Copyrights

#Mail.D# 2.00
49

Anlage(n):  0

"These strange copyrights". If something is in the net, you
 are no longer "master" of your pages. Didn't
 you give your general permission to use
 your pages? Perhaps the Internet pages are
like newspapers: You can use all information
, but you have to give credit to the source if it
is not your own "new" oeuvre.
I think a lot of lawyers try to find a solution of the
Internet copyright.
I agree with David Lister's recommends how to
protect. If your oeuvre is protect, you have the chance to
help yourself. E.g by German law
you have the right to demand some money for
abusing your(!) copyright or to forbid using
further your design a.s.o. by paying an
extremly high fee for each abusing. But
don't forget,  there could be a new oeuvre if the other
person change a "little bit" your photos
or pages.

I think even the Internet is an open information highway,
nobody has the right to abuse any information or
or your photos. This is more than unpolite.

I remember some years ago a German lady published
an origami book. Theme: boxes. I looked into the book and
found all diagramms of Fuse's boxes but I didn't find the
name "Fuse". I think many people wrote the editor and in
the second edition the name of Tomoko Fuse as the author of
the wonderful boxes was mentioned. Letters are sometimes
very helpful.

I hope we don't have to miss your pages.
Doris





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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 15:54:44 -0300 (ADT)
From: megazine@usa.net
Subject: "miniatura"

Paper-Folders -

The latest issue of "miniatura" is now available for download.

The highlights in this issue are:

        *  Web Tours featuring Joseph Wu's Origami Page.
        *  A review of "Mythological Creatures and the Chinese
           Zodiac in Origami" by John Montroll.

This electronic journal is available in two flavors: PDF and HTML.

See "miniatura", dated July 26, 1996, at: <http://www.p-pub.com>

Kathy Prochnow
Senior Editor
P.publishing
MsKathy@p-pub.com





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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 21:07:33 -0300 (ADT)
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: Re: (Swedish?) Story with origami model for Deg

>...A Swedish friend of one of her sons also visited.  He tried to show us
>something his mother had taught him, but he couldn't remember.
>
>The gist of it is:  a piece of paper is folded.  The story:  Three people
>have died & are about to meet St. Peter & one-by-one each person is asked
>to show him their paper.  The first one unfolds the paper in a manner to
>spell out Hell.  The second one unfolds his paper and its in the shape of
>a swastika (this is all done with the same piece of paper).  The third one
>unfolds the paper & it forms a tall cross.
>
>Christopher (the Swede) got very frustrated because he couldn't remember
>how to do it.  Do you have any clues?





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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 21:09:46 -0300 (ADT)
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: Re: (Swedish?) Story with origami model

Deg.  I know the story a little differently and don't know how to make the
swastika but I know how to write out the word hell  and how to get the cross
so here goes.

Using  a sheet of typing or copier paper
1. Fold top short edge down to meet  left long edge.
2. Without unfolding, fold top narrow point (now two layers) down to meet
bottom point of diagonal crease.  (Now looks like a house with pointed roof
 and two outer walls)
3.  Fold left side of house over to meet right side of house.( from top
 point to mid point of bottom raw edge.)  (Model now looks like half a house
with one side.)
4. About 1 1/2" in. from  side of house,  rip off a strip of paper (this will
have several thicknesses at top.  Do this a second time about 1 1/2" in. in
again.
5.  When you open out you will find you have a cross and the left over little
peices will form the word Hell.  There are two long peices and a little peice
for the H.  There's a peice that looks like a C, add another little peice to
this and you will have an E. and the two left over peices sort of look like
L's.    If you make a slight curve at the top when you are ripping the strips
off the letters will look better.

the Joke:
When these two guys get up to St. Peter, and ask him where they are supposed
to go, he takes out a sheet of paper and performs this little trick.  When he
opens it out, he says "Bad guy, here is where you go and lays out the letters
Hell, and then he says "And you,  good guy, here is where you go" and shows
him the cross.

You can embellish this story any way you want to with names or other stuff
and there you are.  Somebody showed me how to do this maybe 30 years ago at a
meeting at Lillians house.

And a big thank you to yu for the wonderful ball made from the index cards
that I learned at the convention and was told it was your invention.
Wunnerful, wunnerful, wunnerful..........Dorigami.





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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 21:23:15 -0300 (ADT)
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: Re: Models for the Mail "good idea"

Re sending models in the mail.....you have the same needs as for making
greeting cards....you need models that lay flat.  I am always searching for
same......since many of you mentioned how to give models away, I remember
once the librarian of a very big library told me that they find models on the
shelves all over the library left by an unidentified folder and on the models
it says "Take me home"....Isn't that wonderful!  I always promise myself that
someday that is what I will do. Dorigami





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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 00:38:06 -0300 (ADT)
From: MJNAUGHTON@amherst.edu
Subject: Biz Cards at Convention

After several weeks of absence from the list, I signed on last
weekend to discover to my surprise that my name was being linked
to an apparent act of origami hooliganism, in which I and others
were alleged to have disregarded a creator's intentions by willfully
pulling apart and trashing some unpublished models at the recent
OUSA convention and then shamelessly "crowing about it publicly".
A number of charges were either made or implied, in total adding
up to "a blatant disregard of origami etiquette". As far as I could
tell, these charges were made by people who had no first-hand
knowledge of the events described, and who instead relied on their
own paranoid fantasies to paint things in the worst possible light.
(Oddly, one of the issues was the failure of certain people to
make sufficient effort to get their facts straight - rather ironic,
I thought, under the circumstances, since none of the accusers had
bothered to contact me personally to verify any of their facts.)

Since then, I have replied privately to Valerie Vann, the creator
whose models were allegedly violated. I have not done so with
Gretchen Klotz, since Rob Hudson's reply to her pretty much sums
up things as I see them, and her subsequent apology indicates that
she seems to have thought better of her initial vituperation. That
might be the end of it, but the fact that my name has been publicly
dragged through the mud necessitates, IMHO, a public reply.

I'll start by saying that Rob Hudson has done an admirable job of
describing what really happened, and I don't see any point in
repeating his account, except to say that he and I have the same
perception of the facts of the case. Far from being inconsiderate
yahoos, he, I, and everyone else involved acted with appropriate
respect for both the creator and the models in question. It now
seems that there was a misunderstanding as to the creator's
actual intent, which is truly unfortunate, but that misunderstanding
appears to be due to her failure to effectively communicate her
intent to anyone who actually attended the convention, and all of
us there acted on the best information available to us. To expect
us to have done otherwise is both unfair and unreasonable (IMHO).
For the record, I have been attending conventions for over a decade,
and people sharing models, pulling apart models, and learning and
teaching models any way they can has always been an integral part of
them. "Origami is sharing" has been a consistent theme, and origami
models - especially new models, for which no diagrams are available
- are treated like puzzles, not Faberge eggs. Creators who are
uncomfortable with this are free to avoid showing their models in
this setting, but they cannot expect the rest of us to know their
wishes unless they have clearly communicated them. That that didn't
happen in this case is unfortunate, but it hardly justification for
lambasting us for doing what we have always done.

Having said that, I should add that all the folders I know share
a concern for correctly attributing models that they have learned.
Since a number of rumors have been circulating, I would like to
confirm here that I have never invented any business card modulars
(not yet, anyway), and that Tony Cheng was present during part of
the time that I was practicing what Jeannine Mosely calls the
"cuboctahedron with dimpled faces" and Wenninger calls the
"octahemioctahedron" ("Polyhedron Models", p.103) - a model that
I have every reason to believe was created by Valerie Vann. I
assume that he may have shown this model to Marcia Mau, mentioning
my name in the process, and thus the story started that I had
something to do with its invention. This was all pretty late on
Sunday afternoon of a weekend which had provided us with lots of
folding but not very much sleep, so the situation was probably
ripe for misunderstandings of some sort. IMHO, if Tony did indeed
show Marcia a model he learned from me (and I don't know that he
did), I'm sure he was trying to be as accurate as he could in
attribution. A mistake in that context, although certainly
regrettable, seems less serious, IMHO, than a wholesale trashing
of some people's motives by others who haven't bothered to check
their facts. Just my opinion, of course.

I apologize for taking so much space, but under the circumstances
I felt it necessary to defend myself and describe the situation
as I see it. I'm not a fan of using a lot of origami-l time on this
- if anyone wants to reply privately, they can reach me at either:

                mjnaughton@amherst.edu
                mjnaught@shaysnet.com

Thanks for listening,

Michael Naughton





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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 10:39:48 -0300 (ADT)
From: Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com
Subject: RE: Including models in the mail

I thought I sent this earlier, but I never received it. Since I don't find
a copy in my sent mail folder maybe I just dreamed that I made this response...

At the convention, I bought two of the three BOS booklets by Jeff Benyon.
(I think the names are _Jef Ori 2_  and _More-igami_, but I don't have
them here.) Both of these have many 5 to 8 piece modulars that look like
stars. Most of the ones I have tried are flat enough to put in a letter.

My mom had great fun with one that had a hole in the center. She stuck a
pencil through the hole and blew on it--made a very nice pinwheel.

The diagrams in these booklets are sketchy at best, but I've been able to
figure them out for the most part. One of these books contains the infamous
Spring-into-action--can someone tell the group which one it is?

Lisa
Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com

(OUSA didn't have the first of Benyon's three books. Can anyone tell me
if it's still available from BOS or from someone in the states?)





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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 16:32:45 -0300 (ADT)
From: Vincent & Veronique <osele@worldnet.fr>
Subject: Re: Cute Origami T-Shirts

I saw the following sentence that someone use (don't remember who,
excuse me)

"May the fold be with you"

Vincent
 _______                                                     _____
|       | Osele Vincent                   Membre du MFPP    /|    |
|       | osele@worldnet.fr                                /_|    |
|       | http://www.worldnet.fr/~osele/origami.htm       |       |
|_______| -----------------> ORIGAMI -------------------> |_______|





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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 19:39:27 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jeff Goff <jeffgoff@synergy.net>
Subject: Re: Models for the Mail "good idea"

At 09:23 PM 7/30/96 -0300, you wrote:
>Re sending models in the mail.....you have the same needs as for making
>greeting cards....you need models that lay flat.  I am always searching for
>same......since many of you mentioned how to give models away, I remember
>once the librarian of a very big library told me that they find models on the
>shelves all over the library left by an unidentified folder and on the models
>it says "Take me home"....Isn't that wonderful!  I always promise myself that
>someday that is what I will do. Dorigami

I know this isn't quite origami, but greeting cards brings to mind pop-up
architecture. I've got a few books on this topic, and the models do get
quite complex. If anyone's curious I can look up the titles.

-Jeff <jeffgoff@synergy.net>





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Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 09:01:54 -0300 (ADT)
From: "C:WINSOCKKA9QSPOOLMAIL" <nick@homelink.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Beynon booklets

Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com writes:

> (OUSA didn't have the first of Benyon's three books. Can anyone tell me
> if it's still available from BOS or from someone in the states?)

The BOS still has copies of all three Beynon booklets. As you may know, BOS
supplies is in the proces of being reorganised. One of our priorities is to
sell the Beynon & Elias booklets so we may well be offering a "3 in 1"
bargain soon.

This will be accesible via the BOS web page (www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/)
so you can order from there. I'll keep you informed.

cheers!

Nick Robinson

nick@homelink.demon.co.uk





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Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 09:48:18 -0300 (ADT)
From: Steve Vinik <z007169b@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us>
Subject: May the Folds Be With You

Speaking of slogans for t-shirts, this parody of mine from a few years
back popped into my head. So, once again . . .

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
                           STAR FOLDS
                 An origami parody by Steve Vinik

     Pulling back the paper hood from his wrinkled face, the old man
caught the eye of his pupil. "Lucky Starfolder," he said, "the folds are
strong with you."
     "I don't believe in the folds," said young Luck. "Just a page out of
a children's story."
     The old man chortled, then sat heavily on a paper chaise lounge.
"Never underestimate the force of the folds, Luck. Although the power of
folded paper increases harmony, it can also be bent towards destruction.
Your father, you know, succumbed to the reverse side of the folds. He is
the reason for this ever widening rip in the Peace of Paper."
     "But Foldy-One-Papyrus, my father is dead."
     "No, Luck. He is just crimped beyond recognition. He lives for the
glory of showing off his twisted folds while squashing the folds of
others. He pirates away origami supplies, depriving us of square-cut
paper and foils; hence his name . . ."
     "You don't mean my father is Dearth Paper!" Luck exclaimed.
     "Your father is the fold's mortal enemy. And you, Lucky Starfolder,
are the fold's final hope."
     Foldy-One-Papyrus unfolded from his chair and gave Luck the square
sign. "May the folds be with you."

                                  *   *   *

Steve Vinik
z007169b@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us

+++++Check out my Cursillo web site at++++
http://members.aol.com/ifold/cursillo.html





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Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 14:53:59 -0300 (ADT)
From: RA Kennedy <kennedra@isdugp.bham.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: BOS Beynon Booklets

> At the convention, I bought two of the three BOS booklets by Jeff Benyon.
> (I think the names are _Jef Ori 2_  and _More-igami_, but I don't have
> them here.) Both of these have many 5 to 8 piece modulars that look like

The BOS has published 5 booklets of models by Jeff Beynon:

27      Origami
31      More 'Igami   3.00 uk pounds
37      Jef Ori' 3     3.00     >
38      Four 'Igami   3.00    >  set of 3, 10.00
44      Multiplication             4.75 >

Prices are from the December 1995 BOS price list. I believe that 'Origami'
is at present out of print, but that the other 4 are all available from BOS
Supplies.

> The diagrams in these booklets are sketchy at best, but I've been able to
> figure them out for the most part. One of these books contains the infamous
> Spring-into-action--can someone tell the group which one it is?

Spring-into-action is in Jef Ori' 3.

Hope this helps you. If you have trouble obtaining these items, try contacting
a BOS member!

> Lisa
> Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com

Bye

Richard K.
(R.A.Kennedy@bham.ac.uk)

PS I believe that Jeff Beynon has self-published two further collections of
his models. I think I saw this in a BOS magazine?





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Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 21:53:52 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kristine Tomlinson <ktomlinson@platinum.com>
Subject: 3-D Shapes and Paper ideas?

    Hi,

    Recently I created an origami prototype of a Zen dry landscape garden
    or karesansui.  It consists of a traditional rectangular box, a
    corregated sheet of mountain and valley folds representing sand, and an
    assortment of balloon and hexahedron models for rocks.

    Now I'd like to get a little more artistic and am looking for the
    following items.  Perhaps some of you can help?

    1.  Has anyone seen origami paper with a bamboo motif or print?
    Preferrably in earth or muted tones.  I checked the Origami Source
    catalog with no luck.

    2.  The hexahedrons are by Molly Kahn from p. 101 of Gay Merrill Gross'
    "The Origami Workshop".  They work well in different sizes as rock
    groupings, but I'd really prefer a more irregular shape.  Something
    with five (or 6?) irregular sides would be ideal, or anything that
    would look like a natural rock*.  Also traditional garden proportions
    are 3:5:7 which makes a terribly flat triangle :-), but may suggest
    some other ideas to the more mathematically inclined of you.

    *Yes, some of my crumpled failed folding projects have that "rock"
    look, but this isn't quite what I'm looking for :-)

    Thanks in advance for any ideas.

    Kristine
    ktomlinson@trinzic.com
    Waltham, MA





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Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 22:25:41 -0300 (ADT)
From: PenneyA@aol.com
Subject: Re: Models for the Mail "good idea"

I fold boots, $2 suits, and star of davids out of $1 bills ahead of time for
tips in restaurants.
                Penney





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Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 22:27:08 -0300 (ADT)
From: PenneyA@aol.com
Subject: Re: Cute Origami T-Shirts

origami is also theraputic but I can't think of a witty way to say it.
                             Penney





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Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 23:32:07 -0300 (ADT)
From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@dorsai.dorsai.org>
Subject: Re: Cute Origami T-Shirts

>
> origami is also theraputic but I can't think of a witty way to say it.
>                              Penney
>
How about: Unfold with origami :-)

--
Sheldon Ackerman.......http://www.dorsai.org/~ackerman/
ackerman@dorsai.dorsai.org





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Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 10:22:38 -0300 (ADT)
From: Tim Rueger <rueger@areaplg2.corp.mot.com>
Subject: Tips on rectangular box folds

Hi, All,

I'm looking for hints on some geometric folds.  I'd like to be able to
fold a closed rectangular box of arbitrary proportions (well, ratios of
small integers, anyway).  Square starting paper isn't too important (Tim
ducks...).

Specifically, I'm looking for boxes in the proportions 1:5:5, 3:5:5 and
3:5:10 for a project I'm working on (email me if you're curious about
those particular ratios).

I have Origami for the Connoisseur, which has some excellent regular
geometric forms.  Is it possible to generalize a good, solid locking box
fold to other proportions, or do I need to design each new box from
scratch?  Or is this easier than I think?

Thanks...
-Tim
--
Tim Rueger             Motorola CCRL IC Design Laboratory, IL02-2921
Fax  : (847) 538-4593  Internet: rueger@areaplg2.corp.mot.com





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Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 10:26:40 -0300 (ADT)
From: Robert Roos <rroos@alleg.edu>
Subject: Montroll's "Mythological Creatures..."

At the goading of Nick Robinson I'm leaving "Lurk City" as he calls it
and posting a suggestion and a question.

RE: origami figures suitable for mailing--this past year I've been sending
birthday cards featuring the Chinese zodiac creatures from Montroll's
"Mythological Creatures..." book. Although some are not flat, many can be
stuck to the front of a folded piece of card stock and mailed as a greeting
card. Inside I usually have something like "You were born in the year of
the <...whatever...>", along with something about people born in that year.
I deviate significantly from the text in Montroll's book, however, and just
make stuff up as seems appropriate! (I'm not about to tell someone, "people
born in the year of the ... are self-centered and unlucky in love--Happy
Birthday!")

For some, like the snake, that look better in 3-D, I've glued the model
onto a piece of cardboard (with a nice contrasting color of paper
spray-glued onto it) and put the message on a scroll, then mailed the
"card" and scroll in a small box.

On each scroll I try to reproduce the Japanese character for "year of the..."
as well. The scrolls are all printed out in a fancy font; the Japanese
text is created with Microsoft Paint and imported into a Word document.

Now for my question: each zodiac animal is listed along with the various
years corresponding to it. BUT...the Chinese new year is the lunar new year,
which does not correspond to January 1. So someone born in, say,
January of 1953 is not necessarily born in the year of
the snake, right? (Unless the lunar new year occurred before their
date of birth?)

Can someone tell me if this is an accurate understanding and, if so,
where I could easily obtain a list of when the various Chinese New
Years have been? (I've already tried a quick search on the Web, but
haven't found anything like this.)

Thanks!

Bob Roos
rroos@alleg.edu





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Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 10:27:02 -0300 (ADT)
From: Tim Rueger <rueger@areaplg2.corp.mot.com>
Subject: to Chicago area folders - August CHAOS meetings

Hi, All,

If you're a folder in the Chicago area, please stop by the twice-monthly
meetings of CHAOS, the "CH"icago Area Origami Society.

The next northwest suburban Chicago meeting is Monday, August 5.  The
next downtown Chicago meeting is August 14.  If you would like more
information, email me or stop by:

    http://homepage.interaccess.com/~rueger/origami/chaos.html

It lists the CHAOS meeting schedule thru December of this year, and
tells where each of the meetings is.

-Tim
--
Tim Rueger             Motorola CCRL IC Design Laboratory, IL02-2921
Fax  : (847) 538-4593  Internet: rueger@areaplg2.corp.mot.com





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Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 11:52:13 -0300 (ADT)
From: rita <rstevens@philly.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Models for the Mail "good idea"

Where did you get the diagrams for these, I have 'Complete Origami' by (I am
going from memory here) Kinney?, and I've had a hard time completing the
dollar sign.

Thanks Rita

At 10:25 PM 8/1/96 -0300, PenneyA@aol.com wrote:
>I fold boots, $2 suits, and star of davids out of $1 bills ahead of time for
>tips in restaurants.
>                Penney





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Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 12:15:56 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy)" <sychen@leatherback.nist.gov>
Subject: Re: Montroll's "Mythological Creatures..."

At 10:26 AM 8/2/96 -0300, Bob Roos wrote:

>
>Can someone tell me if this is an accurate understanding and, if so,
>where I could easily obtain a list of when the various Chinese New
>Years have been? (I've already tried a quick search on the Web, but
>haven't found anything like this.)
>
>Thanks!
>
>Bob Roos
>rroos@alleg.edu
>
>

Dear Bob:

Strictly speaking the born year rule is lunar calendar based. Most of the
Chinese new year falls in sometime between January and February.  e.g. If
you were born on 2/19/96 you would be a "Mouse/Rat"; Before that You would
be a "Pig/Boar".
Western People don't count on this. So the rule loosely becomes (solar)
yearly based. (It is hard to count without reference) You may roughly claim
you are a "Pig/Boar" even you were born before 2/19/96 this year.
Japanese and even some of the Chinese don't celebrate Lunar New Year. You
may just drop the rule to be yearly solar system based. No one (I guess)
will check on that.

For Lunar calendar software try the following one. It can be ported to many
other platforms if you have C compiler in hand.

software: lunar
version : 2.1
function: conversion program between Solar and Chinese lunar calendars;
          calculation of birthday in "4-column" astrology as well
URL     : ftp://ifcss.org/pub/software/unix/c-utils/lunar-2.1.tar.gz
author  : Ricky Yeung and Fung Fung Lee

If you are a web surfer try this page, (one of that I know, there should be
something better in the netland)
http://pasture.ecn.purdue.edu/~agenhtml/agenmc/china/zzodiac.html
This page only count it through 12 year cycle - loose rule used. You see!

Good luck!

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Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 09:52:39 -0300 (ADT)
From: Brett Askinazi <askinazi@i1.net>
Subject: Re: 3-D Shapes and Paper ideas?

>
>     1.  Has anyone seen origami paper with a bamboo motif or print?
>     Preferrably in earth or muted tones.  I checked the Origami Source
>     catalog with no luck.

In Fuse's book Unit origami there are some photos of models made from paper
w/ a bamboo pattern.  This doesn't help I know, but the models are nice.

You might want to try to find some gift wrap, or find a rubber stamp of
bamboo and transfer it onto paper.

BrettAndJill
askinazi@i1.net





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Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 13:34:16 -0300 (ADT)
From: kevin !! <prank@leland.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Re: Cute Origami T-Shirts

On Thu, 1 Aug 1996 PenneyA@aol.com wrote:

> origami is also theraputic but I can't think of a witty way to say it.
>                              Penney
>

I always say, "It's better than drugs and cheaper than therapy," but I get
arguments on both statements.  =)

--Kevin





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Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 14:55:54 -0300 (ADT)
From: Ramrod <RWhite3671@gnn.com>
Subject: Wet Fold Paper

What is the best paper for wet folding? One book I have said
watercolor paper 28-40 lb is the best and comes in assorted colors.
But so far this has been impossible to find. I live in the Atlanta
area so if anyone knows where to find this paper in Atlanta please
let me know. Or if there is another type of paper you use I would
like to know that too. Thanks.

Ron White   404-761-1806
RWhite3671@gnn.com





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Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 15:35:28 -0300 (ADT)
From: Nick Robinson <nick@homelink.demon.co.uk>
Subject: paper rocks....

Kristine Tomlinson <ktomlinson@platinum.com> sez

>but I'd really prefer a more irregular shape.  Something
>    with five (or 6?) irregular sides would be ideal

It's free-form time, you'll be glad to hear. Take a square, crease a
4/5/6 sided section near the center. Then start to form big & small
crimps from the corners (or radically, the sides) heading outwards at
any old angle. At a suitable location, recrimp the crimps to take the
sides further round. Fold the excess inside as a kind of lock.

Not a pretty technique, but it will produce "1/2 rocks" that are
irregular. It's a similar method used for one or two Easter Eggs I've
seen.

Quite fun and will perhaps stimulate an oft-unused origami nerve...

all the best,

Nick Robinson
nick@homelink.demon.co.uk

                           ***  Origami Deutschland!   ***





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Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 15:36:06 -0300 (ADT)
From: Nick Robinson <nick@homelink.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Cute Origami T-Shirts

PenneyA@aol.com sez

>origami is also theraputic but I can't think of a witty way to say it.

This doesn't scan Penney - keep working on it......

all the best ;)

Nick Robinson
nick@homelink.demon.co.uk

                           ***  Origami Deutschland!   ***





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Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 16:42:04 -0300 (ADT)
From: Michael Adcock <adcock@Menudo.UH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Cute Origami T-Shirts

>
> I always say, "It's better than drugs and cheaper than therapy," but I get
> arguments on both statements.  =)
>
> --Kevin
>
>

I'd wear a shirt with that on!           (I think...)

"Origami - It's better than drugs and cheaper than therapy."

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Forgive my ascii piracy... Flapping bird is from Eric Andersen's .sig.
I picked up Beavis a while ago from who knows where...

Michael
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Michael Adcock (a.k.a. Blackadder)
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