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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 15:13:50 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jennifer.Campbell@cciw.ca (Jennifer Campbell)
Subject: Origami in the year 2041

Hello all,
I was at Ontario Place (waterfront theme park) in Toronto over the weekend.
One of the attractions is a motion simulator ride depicting a submarine
adventure, set in the year 2041. On display in the waiting area, amongst
diving paraphenalia, schematics and monitors to create a futuristic,
high-tech mood, are lockers containing the personal belongings of the five
"crew" (the characters in the video shown as part of the ride). Even before
I saw that one of the crew was said to be from Tokyo, I expected to see
origami. I mean, if you were working on a submarine, wouldn't that be a
perfect passtime? (I expect a skewed response from this crowd...) And sure
enough, tucked into the corner of one locker were several fine origami
models. I wish I could have gotten closer to identify them. One looked like
a pteradactyl, made of green kami, and there were other animals. When I
said "Hey, neat! Origami!" several heads turned...

Anyway, just thought I'd share the origami sighting.

       /\_/\       ________
     `(     )' oo /        \
       `==='     | Maguro o |
       /   \     |  kudasai |
      |     |     \________/
      |     |
    ___\___/__Jennifer.Campbell@cciw.ca





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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 15:18:22 -0300 (ADT)
From: Pat Slider <slider@ims.mariposa.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Copyright info sources....

Two sources of information about copyrights and trademarks that I know of:

1. The government printing office prints a small brochure on
copyrights/trademarks and how to apply for one....An application is
included. (You can pick up government printing office catalogs usually from
the same spots you pick up those ever popular IRS forms -- libraries, post
offices, etc..)

2. NOLO Press sells a very extensive book on copyrights and trademarks. I
expect if you get a hold of this, you can answer all your questions and
become aware of various relevant issues. I highly recommend this book and
other NOLO publications. I believe NOLO has a web site....Perhaps they have
the relevant info on this title. (I'm not quite sure where my copy is right
now.)

pat slider
slider@yosemite.net





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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 15:38:57 -0300 (ADT)
From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@empnet.com>
Subject: Re: tea bag origami

At 12:27 PM 6/17/96 -0300, you wrote:
>>A friend showed me a greetings card made by her friend in Holland. It
>>included "flowers" produced by folding tea bag envelopes. Though not
>>pure origami...
>
>>Since this is slightly off topic please e-mail me direct.
>>
>>...Then forward your response to me. This sounds interesting.
>>/             Cindy Walker                    /

And me too please!

Stevew@empnet.com

Cheers,

Steve Woodmansee,
stevew@empnet.com





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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 15:49:20 -0300 (ADT)
From: Pat Slider <slider@ims.mariposa.ca.us>
Subject: Re: dollar dragon

At 08:30 AM 6/17/96 -0300, Allen Parry wrote:
>
>I am going to be teaching, at the OUSA convention, my latest and greatest
>creation; my dollar bill dragon.  I am pretty excited about it!  Anyway,
>I created a quick and dirty home page with a side and read view of the
>dragon for your viewing pleasure, if you're so interested.
>
>It can be found at:    http://www.eskimo.com/~parry/
>

This does look like a great model. Will it be diagrammed in the convention
annual?

pat slider
slider@yosemite.net





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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 17:37:04 -0300 (ADT)
From: "David M. Phillips" <phillips@qxo.com>
Subject: Anyone here who also does string figures?

Idle curiousity.  I do both and see some similarities in the
two.  I remember vividly my grandfather introducing me when I
was six years old to Origami with Robert Harbin's THE ART OF
ORIGAMI.  I believe I discovered string figures on my own many
years later.  I don't remember it as distinctly, but I remember
thinking it was neat, like Origami.

Anyone else with similar experiences/feelings on the two?
  --David





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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 19:25:29 -0300 (ADT)
From: Allen Parry <parry@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: dollar dragon

On Mon, 17 Jun 1996, Pat Slider wrote:

>
> This does look like a great model. Will it be diagrammed in the convention
> annual?
>

  Nope.  I wasn't aware of the process to submit, so it won't be going in.
  Maybe next year or something???

Allen Parry
parry@eskimo.com





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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 20:09:56 -0300 (ADT)
From: Nick Robinson <nick@homelink.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Selling my own model.

>1. How do I go about copyrighting the diagram?

I *believe* it establishes it's own copyright once published; I assume
you have put your name & "copyright" on the diagrams?

>3. How do I know some one else hasn't done it before? (As I say it is very
>simple.)

You don't! Many simple designs are created independantly - if it's new
Tomoko Fuse in this way & we both respect each others integrity - I try
of a similar work.

>5. If another folder wants to publish the envelope in a book do I earn
>anything?

They should seek your permission first, but may not be able to pay you.
I've had 15 or so published in books & never had a penny (dime) yet!

cheers,

Nick Robinson
nick@homelink.demon.co.uk

***Fold, don't Fight!***





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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 20:44:09 -0300 (ADT)
From: Sally Giordano <dasyprnces@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Anyone here who also does string figures?

At 05:38 PM 6/17/96 -0300, you wrote:
>Idle curiousity.  I do both and see some similarities in the
>two.  I remember vividly my grandfather introducing me when I
>was six years old to Origami with Robert Harbin's THE ART OF
>ORIGAMI.  I believe I discovered string figures on my own many
>years later.  I don't remember it as distinctly, but I remember
>thinking it was neat, like Origami.
>
>Anyone else with similar experiences/feelings on the two?
>  --David
>

can anyone tell me what string figures are?

>
>
******************************************************************************
*                                   Sally                                    *
*                           dasyprnces@earthlink.net                         *





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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 21:55:59 -0300 (ADT)
From: Alasdair Post-Quinn <acpquinn@panther.middlebury.edu>
Subject: Re: Anyone here who also does string figures?

On Mon, 17 Jun 1996, David M. Phillips wrote:

> Idle curiousity.  I do both and see some similarities in the
> two.  I remember vividly my grandfather introducing me when I
> was six years old to Origami with Robert Harbin's THE ART OF
> ORIGAMI.  I believe I discovered string figures on my own many
> years later.  I don't remember it as distinctly, but I remember
> thinking it was neat, like Origami.
>
> Anyone else with similar experiences/feelings on the two?
>   --David

Yep.
I do string figures as well.
Those who don't know what they are, think of cat's cradle. Many young
people used to do that in their spare time. But string figures are to be
done on one's own, without passing the string back and forth between two
or three people. Most start with a loop of string around the hands and
fingers, and end with some pattern or symbol that is supposed to represent
an object, and go through a series of steps to get there. In this respect
it is very much like origami; using a simple medium to create something
not so simple, and using steps to get there. Also, Dover has put out a
few inexpensive books on the topic, the only problem with which is that
your hands are tied up in the string and must stay there at all times,
which makes turning pages rather difficult.
Someone once remarked to me that if there was a way to fold string, I'd
be the first to figure it out. Little did they know that several cultures
of the world had been doing just that for hundreds of years. One of the
Dover books (a fat purple one, I don't remember the name) also goes
through the history of string figures from various cultures, then
organizes the directions for making them by culture as well. I haven't
done string figures for a while, myself, but I still have a few memorized
from the time when I was doing them all the time -- I can do a nice
four-diamond pattern (medium complexity) in under 20 seconds, and I can
do the "Breastbone and Ribs" (complex, using all ten fingers and the
teeth) in a little over a minute.
Obviously, the one major difference between string figures and origami is
that in origami there is a finished product that can be displayed and
fawned over by visiting relatives and friends, or given away or sold or
whatever. In string figures the finished product is always shown to
others or appreciated by one's self, then taken apart to get the loop of
string again, to be used for a new string figure. Of course, attempts
have been made to preserve some string figures, using starch or some such
preservative, for museum displays, but the preserved figures are never as
satisfying and nice to look at as a freshly-finished one on someone's
hands.
In any case, look for me at the convention and ask me about the string
figures. I'll try to remember to bring a loop of string, and maybe even
dig up the old books I have on the topic.
Peace --
Alasdair
acpquinn@midd-unix.middlebury.edu





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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 22:50:05 -0300 (ADT)
From: Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>
Subject: Re: Anyone here who also does string figures?

Just to further the thread (sorry about that pun), the origami books and
the string figures books appear next to each other on the shelves in the
children's sections of bookstores here in Sapporo, Japan.

Joseph Wu  <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>  <http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/jwu/origami.html>
Approach life like a voyage on a schooner. Enjoy the view. Explore the vessel.
Make friends with the Captain. Fish a little. And then get off when you get
Home.                                                     --Max Lucado





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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 23:13:57 -0300 (ADT)
From: Bernie Cosell <bernie@fantasyfarm.com>
Subject: Delivery time from the Origami source

Hi--

I was wondering about how long it generally takes to get an order from the
Origami Source...  I placed a largish one (>$150) about six weeks ago and
to date I've not heard anything.  Is it overdue?  Is this about average?
Am I being too optimistic about how soon it would arrive?

  Thanks
    /Bernie\
--
Bernie Cosell                     Fantasy Farm Fibers
bernie@fantasyfarm.com            Pearisburg, VA
    -->  Too many people, too few sheep  <--





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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 23:17:16 -0300 (ADT)
From: James_Sakoda@Brown.edu (James Minoru Sakoda)
Subject: Re: Anyone here who also does string figures?

>Idle curiousity.  I do both and see some similarities in the
>two.  I remember vividly my grandfather introducing me when I
>was six years old to Origami with Robert Harbin's THE ART OF
>ORIGAMI.  I believe I discovered string figures on my own many
>years later.  I don't remember it as distinctly, but I remember
>thinking it was neat, like Origami.
>
>Anyone else with similar experiences/feelings on the two?
>  --David
Fuuny you should mention it.  Not too long ago I was thinking about how
origami was transmitted, and picked up a string to see if I remembered some
of the string figures that I had learned as a child.  The Japanese call it
itotori which might be translated as string taking, which is played by two
people, each one adding a step and taking over the string.    I have also
heard it referred to as "cat's cradle."  In those days (1920's) a great
deal of children's play was handed down from mother to child, one child to
another, and helped to pass the time without spending a lot of money.  I
went through the repertoire that I remembered which one could perform by
oneself--a house which turned into a broom, a simple bridge and a more
elaborate one.  Surprisingly I was able to do the more complex one after a
little trial and error.  Thanks for the memories.
James M. Sakoda.





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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 23:20:36 -0300 (ADT)
From: Bernie Cosell <bernie@fantasyfarm.com>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Selling my own model.

On 17 Jun 96 at 20:10, Nick Robinson wrote:

> >1. How do I go about copyrighting the diagram?
>
> I *believe* it establishes it's own copyright once published; I assume
> you have put your name & "copyright" on the diagrams?

No.  Under current US Copyright law, creative works are *born* copyrighted
by their creators.  Period.  There are two subsequent things a copyright
holder can do: first is to explicitly mark the item as copyrighted and the
second is actually to register the copyright.  *all* those additional
actions do is affect the ease of winning a judgment and the nature of
award one can gain [for example, can you only block future future
infringement or can you get compensated for past infringement].

Note that although there is much agreement on this around a fair bit of
the world as many countries have joined the Berne convention, (1) lots of
countries have *not*  [e.g., consider the current flap with CD piracy in
China], and (2) even among the signatories, teh details of implementing
the Berne convention is up to the indivdual countries and so the details
will vary.  In particular, I haven't a clue how it all works in
England, but I doubt that it requires the copyright mark [since I believe
that the notion of "born copyrighted" is an explicit part of the Berne
convention].

  /Bernie\
--
Bernie Cosell                     Fantasy Farm Fibers
bernie@fantasyfarm.com            Pearisburg, VA
    -->  Too many people, too few sheep  <--





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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 23:24:02 -0300 (ADT)
From: Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>
Subject: Re: Delivery time from the Origami source

On Mon, 17 Jun 1996, Bernie Cosell wrote:

> I was wondering about how long it generally takes to get an order from the
> Origami Source...  I placed a largish one (>$150) about six weeks ago and
> to date I've not heard anything.  Is it overdue?  Is this about average?
> Am I being too optimistic about how soon it would arrive?

I don't remember how long my last order took, but seeing as this is crunch
time for Convention preparation, I'm not surprised that things are going a
little slowly...

Joseph Wu  <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>  <http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/jwu/origami.html>
Approach life like a voyage on a schooner. Enjoy the view. Explore the vessel.
Make friends with the Captain. Fish a little. And then get off when you get
Home.                                                     --Max Lucado





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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 00:24:15 -0300 (ADT)
From: unhinged@yrkpa.kias.com
Subject: Re: Anyone here who also does string figures?

I've got the big purple book.  I especially like the mouse that runs
through your finger and the 'fighting headhunters'.  I could probably
find the big purple book if someone else could bring some good string.

(heck- we could all shoot marbles later too :) )





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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 02:50:39 -0300 (ADT)
From: chapbell@crocker.com (Philip Craig Chapman-Bell)
Subject: Re: tea bag origami

Dear Folks,
        To stray farther off the subject -- when in grad school (and
consequently, constantly broke), I developed origami methods of making tea
bags from round coffee filters (for loose tea) and also a way of making
Number 6 Melitta coffee filters from the same.  No, you don't need diagrams:
a little experimentation will do the trick.
        Now that I'm back in the real world, I can afford these little
luxuries.  And of course, I don't need to be awake all the time anymore.
        Yours, <>Philip<>

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
<> Philip Craig Chapman-Bell  <> Tell me why Lettuce, which <>
<> 86 Lyman Road  Apt. 4      <> our Grandsires last did eat<>
<> Northampton, MA 01060-4228 <> Is now of late become the  <>
<> chapbell@crocker.com       <> first of meat?  -Martiall  <>





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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 05:34:01 -0300 (ADT)
From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@empnet.com>
Subject: Montroll's Blue Shark

        I hope everyone will consider this post appropriate, but I just had
to share my excitement with those who will understand.  This evening I
successfully completed Montroll's Blue Shark (he rates as difficulty level
*** out of 4) and was very happy with the result.
        It's going to kill me to have people glance at it and say, "Oh, it's
a shark, huh?" but I know the members of this list will understand how I feel.
        I also wanted to thank everyone who has posted their progress on
similar models, as well as photographs of their completed projects.  It was
a great inspiration to me, and I thank you.
        On to one of Lang's insects!

Cheers,

Steve Woodmansee,
stevew@empnet.com





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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 10:45:32 -0300 (ADT)
From: jan_polish@colpal.com
Subject: Re: Delivery time from the Origami source

     For Bernie and anyone else waiting for orders ... please be patient!
     Yes, as Joseph Wu pointed out, this is preparation time for the
     convention. In addition, Phyliss Meth is recovering from pneumonia!
     She will be fine, but she has gotten a bit behind in filling orders.
     Our apologies ... but things will definitely improve in the future.
     Phyliss has retired from her full-time job, and will have more time to
     devote to The Origami Source. So watch your mail (e and snail) for
     information about fax orders, express deliveries, and other new
     features! If you have any questions or suggestions, please contact me
     privately. Thanks, Jan Polish (jan_polish@colpal.com)

______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Delivery time from the Origami source
Author:  origami-l@nstn.ca at internet
Date:    6/17/96 10:29 PM

Hi--

I was wondering about how long it generally takes to get an order from the
Origami Source...  I placed a largish one (>$150) about six weeks ago and
to date I've not heard anything.  Is it overdue?  Is this about average?
Am I being too optimistic about how soon it would arrive?

  Thanks
    /Bernie\
--
Bernie Cosell                     Fantasy Farm Fibers
bernie@fantasyfarm.com            Pearisburg, VA
    -->  Too many people, too few sheep  <--





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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 12:04:07 -0300 (ADT)
From: "BOB T. LYNCH" <blynch@du.edu>
Subject: string figures and marbles

(heck- we could all shoot marbles later too :) )

But - I think I LOST all my marbles several years ago!!! ;-)

Dee





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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 12:58:02 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Dr. Moze" <DrMoze@pressroom.com>
Subject: Klingon Bird of Prey?

Hi all! Somehow I missed the original messages describing the
availability of diagrams for a Klingon BoP. I just caught mention of
this model in a follow-up message or 2. (Yes, I have been very busy
lately and only loosely following this list--sorry!)

I am very interested in this diagram. Could someone be so kind as to let
me know how I may get it? Thanks!!  $^)

--
     Dr. Moze   <DrMoze@pressroom.com>





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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 13:28:46 -0300 (ADT)
From: DLister891@aol.com
Subject: String Figures.

David Phillip's enquiry about whether anyone else has an interest in string
figures (or cat's cradles) evokes an immediate response from me! I'm even
less able when it comes to constructing  string figures than I am about
folding paper, but I have a deep interest in the subject, dating from the
days when my younger sister used to spend hours weaving some of the more
common designs. I was never much good at it myself, although I did manage to
learn one or two patterns. However, they would never "stick" in my memory.
Cat's cradles are even more transitory than paperfolds.

Then when I was at University, I found Kathleen Haddon's little
booklet:"String Games for Beginners" in a bookshop and I became fascinated.
Her father was A.C.Haddon, the great anthropologist, who thought that the
native string games that were found among many native tribes throughout the
world would be important for establishing cultural relationships. It never
worked out quite like that, but anthropologists remain interested in string
figures.

I began to collect books on the subject (just as I collected paperfolding
books) and now have about sixty titles. (Nothing like the number of my
origami books). Then Eric Kenneway came to visit me, because he had managed
to arrange a visit to Japan and thought it would be helpful if he could look
at my Japanese Origami books, if only to be able to tell the authors if he
bumped into them in Japan that he had seen their books! Eric was sidetracked
by my books on String figures, particularly those by Kathleen Haddon, and he
listed those too, merely out of curiosity. Sure enough, however, and wholly
unexpectedly, Eric met not only paperfolders, but also cat's cradlers, when
he got to Japan. In particular, he met SeishiroYuasa, who had written one or
two books on the subject in Japanese. The Japanese interest in cat's cradles
had only just started, but they had already imroved the notation for the
subject. Hitherto, the subject had not been very strong in Japan. There were,
as far as I know, no "native" varieties.

Eric told Seishiro about my books and Seishiro was most interested. It seems
he had been searching for books by Kathleen Haddon, but had been unable to
find them. So, out of the blue, I received a letter from Japan, not about
Origami, but about string figures.

Through the anthropology department at Cambridge, I was able to trace
Kathleen Haddons's son Henry Rishbeth and he gave me permission to phoocopy
her books to send to Japan for Seishiro Yuasa. A few months later Seishiro
came to Euope and I had the pleasure of escorting him and his friends round
London. They even tried steak and kidney pudding in the typically English
restaurant that |I found for them, but it was much too heavy for their
delicate Japanese tastes!

The story was by no means over .Philip Noble of the British Origami Society
was (and i) an Anglican priest. I met him at the Japanese Embassy in London
on the occasion of a reception for Akira Yoshizawa during his first visit to
Britain (1971, I think it was). He told me that he and his family were going
to Papua New Guinea as missionaries. I told him I didn't think he was likely
to find much paperfolding there, but he agreed with me that there mmight
possibly be cat's cradles. And so it turned out to be. Philip turned himself
into an expert on String Figures and collected the local versions, later
compiling them into an academic book. I introduced him to Seishiro Yuasa, who
visited him in Papua New Guinea. I also got permission to send Philip copies
of Kathleen Haddon's books They were good training manuals..

Seishiro went on to Australia  to meet Honor Maude, the grand old lady of
string figures in the Pacific. So a wonderful link-up evolved between cat's
cradlers in Japan, Australia and Britain. I hoped it would develop in the
same way that Origami had done, but, although there was some growth, there
was never the same explosion that had taken place among paperfolders.

Another of the Japanese String Games enthusiasts was Hiroshi Noguchi. He has
now written many books on the subject.. He formed the (Japanese) String
Figures Association. Later Philip Noble collaborated with him and they
produced an English version of the yearly Journal of the Association. This
was sent without payment to the few western enthusiasts then known. It was a
very short list and I often thought that the String Figures Association must
be one of the most exclusive societies in the world! Hiroshi would never
accept any contribution to finances. Eric Kenneway was a member, and I
ensured that Henry Rishbeth was made a member, too, but there were very few
others in Europe, Britain or the United States.

Slowly, others became interested, including Mark A  Sherman of Pasadena,
California. Eventually, the time came when Hiroshi Noguchi decided that he
wanted to hand over the reins. In 1994, Mark Sherman took over The
International String Figures Association and organised it on a more
professional basis, with regular membership and a  proper subscription.The
Associaltion now issues an annual Journal and a bennial newslatter "ISFANews"

The bibliography of string figures is enormous and another American Tom
Storer has issued a  liong list of books, which he updates from time to time.

Just as in paperfolding, "Creative" cat's cradling has been introduced and
experts are now creating their own figures, as well as finding out how to
weave those traditional figures which were drawn by anthropologists in their
completed form, but without any instructions for making them.(This is rather
more difficult than copying most origami models).

The address is:      International String Figures Association, P.O. Box 5134,
Pasadena, California, 91117, USA.

Telephone:            (213) 214 7333.   Fax:    (818) 305 9055.
E-mail:                  marksherman@isfa.org
World Wide Web: http://www.isfa.org/~webweavers/isfa.htm

The subscription is twenty-five dollars per year .New members are eagerly
awaited!

If annyone would like any more information about String Figures, I shall be
pleased to help as far as I can.

Yours with tangled fingers,

David

(David Lister, Grimsby, England)





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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 15:22:52 -0300 (ADT)
From: reeds@openix.com (Reeds Family)
Subject: Re: tea bag origami

lots of books on folding T-bag envelopes?! Info on this  sounds worth
sharing on the list generally to me. (My non-folder husband is equally
bemused at the idea! We drink a lot of tea, though mostly loose.)
Karen Reeds

>>A friend showed me a greetings card made by her friend in Holland. It
>>included "flowers" produced by folding tea bag envelopes. Though not
>>pure origani, since pieces were stuck together with glue :( it was none
>>the less an attractive arrangement. Do any of our Dutch friend on the list
>>have any further details? I understand there are a lot of books on he
>>subject.
>
>>Since this is slightly off topic please e-mail me direct.
>>
>
>
>Then forward your response to me. This sounds interesting.
>
>///////////////////////////////////////////////
>/                                             /
>/             Cindy Walker                    /
>/      http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~cwalker    /
>/       cwalker@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us         /





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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 15:26:58 -0300 (ADT)
From: "David M. Phillips" <phillips@qxo.com>
Subject: Re: String Figures.

Dear David,

   What a wonderful lot of sharing!  Thank you for those
insights into goings on amongst origamians and string figurers
(? actually I like your "cat's cradlers" better).





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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 16:17:37 -0300 (ADT)
From: David Holmes <cm4bcdmh@bs47c.staffs.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Klingon Bird of Prey?

On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Dr. Moze wrote:

> I am very interested in this diagram. Could someone be so kind as to let
> me know how I may get it? Thanks!!  $^)
>

I'd also be very interested in getting hold of the diagrams.

I must have missed the original post due to the network at my
university going down one weekend, some time ago.  I haven't had
time to look back through the archives yet - exams, etc :(

Thanks,

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
           David M Holmes

 email://cm4bcdmh@bs47c.staffs.ac.uk
 http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/2162





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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 16:31:10 -0300 (ADT)
From: Dexteron2@aol.com
Subject: Klingon Bird of Prey

I also happened to notice the messages about the Klingon Bird of Prey ("In
_true_ Origami?" he thinks to himself.  "No Way.").  I would appreciate the
diagrams involved (preferably in adobe's .PDF format, or maybe just a big ol'
.GIF file).  Thanks!

Hammer Down





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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 16:37:48 -0300 (ADT)
From: Dexteron2@aol.com
Subject: Re: Montroll's Blue Shark

In a message dated 96-06-18 04:58:34 EDT, you write:

>This evening I
>successfully completed Montroll's Blue Shark (he rates as difficulty level
>*** out of 4) and was very happy with the result.

Congratulations!  However, you mention moving on to Lang's insects from here,
and having experience in Montroll's models and Lang's Insect models, I
suggest attempting some of Montroll's four-star models, as the insects are
some of the most difficult pieces I've folded.  BTW, the first time you
finish the butterfly, you'll feel great, as it's one of Lang's coolest
looking models.

Hammer Down





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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 18:07:01 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kristine Tomlinson <ktomlinson@platinum.com>
Subject: Re: Spider problems

    Hi,

    On Mon, 17 Jun 1996 Steve Woodmansee wrote about P.D. Tuyen's Classic
    Origami spider model ...

    >I seem to recall someone replying to my earlier post and saying the
    >spider was the first (and only) model in the book they had completed.
    >Will this kind and magnificent human being once again make themselves
    >known and help me past step #8?

    Well, golly Steve, with a setup like that, even false modesty can't
    keep me from replying!  Yes, I created the spider model on the first
    try and while watching Brit Coms no less!  (I love them, no flames
    please.)

    Unfortunately, after reading *your* note, I thought I'd go back and
    create another spider using some neat paper (a paper bag that
    reproduced a 19th century newspaper).  Believe it or not, I got stuck
    too.  I'm not at home, but bet it was step 8 which seems to collapse
    the top onto the bottom.  So, I'll have to tune into reruns of Faulty
    Towers and pick it up again.  Sometimes when the mind is disengaged and
    the hands are busy, the solution appears :-)

    This has happened to me with more than one model.  Maybe someone else
    can help in the meantime?  (Can I still be "kind and magnificent", if a
    little forgetful? :-)

    Kristine
    ktomlinson@trinzic.com
    Waltham, MA, USA





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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 18:28:28 -0300 (ADT)
From: jdharris@post.cis.smu.edu (Jerry D. Harris)
Subject: Re: string figures

>Well, I have enjoyed string figures, but just to diverge a little further,
>I've wondered a little about the connection between origami and another
>pleasure of mine, bobbin lacemaking (string figures with a vengeance!). As
>with origami, I tend to prefer the more geometrical patterns in lacemaking.

        If there can be any craft hobby with less coverage and an even
poorer selection of books on the market than origami, I think my girlfriend
has it:  tatting!  ...this brings me to another, tangentially related
issue:  how do people perceive origami compared to other, generally
encountered crafts?  I mention this because repeatedly, when demonstrating
or giving away an origami model to non-folders, I always hear "Oh, I would
never have the patience for that."  However, many of these people do
perform _other_ crafts, such as needlepoint, cross-stitching, etc.  In
fact, I had one friend who said she could never do origami for lack of
patience, but once spent over 1.5 years doing a single, small cross-stitch.
I always find it peculiar that someone wouldn't have the patience for a
model that takes 15-20 minutes to fold, but can do one "model" for over a
year!  I would guess that there are different kinds of "patience," but I
couldn't figure out what kind we folders must have...???

Jerry D. Harris                       (214) 768-2750
Dept. of Geological Sciences          FAX:  (214) 768-2701
Southern Methodist University         jdharris@post.smu.edu
Box 750395                            (CompuServe:  73132,3372)
Dallas  TX  75275-0395
USA

"This was my first word of the discovery, and it told of the identification
of early shells, bones of ganoids and placoderms, remnants of
labyrinthodonts and thecodonts, great mosasaur skull fragments, dinosaur
vertebrae and armor plates, pterodactyl teeth and wing bones, Archaeopteryx
debris, Miocene sharks' teeth, primitive bird skulls, and other bones of
archaic mammals such as paleotheres, Xiphodons, Eohippi, Oreodons, and
titanotheres...the hallowed stratum had lain in its present, dried, dead,
and inaccessible state for at least thirty million years."
          -- H.P. Lovecraft, _At the Mountains of Madness_ (1931)





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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 19:08:35 -0300 (ADT)
From: Pat Slider <slider@ims.mariposa.ca.us>
Subject: Re: another string figure divergence

Well, I like another craft that I think shares some similarities to origami.
I like to make polymer clay figurines. Mostly as Christmas ornaments.

I've been hoping that my sense of animal proportions and posture shown in my
polymer work will someday be of use in creating origami figures....

By the way, I'm experimenting using some of the polymer tools in origami. Of
interest is a small stylus-like tool that is also used in embossing. It is a
steel point with a very small ball at the tip. Good for running along a
delicate sink crease. A little more controllable than a chop stick. A tool
with a lot of potential -- embossing is creasing too in a way.

(I weave and cross-stitch sometimes too, but not lately. Too obsessed with
folding.)

pat slider
slider@yosemite.net





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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 19:47:56 -0300 (ADT)
From: Pat Slider <slider@ims.mariposa.ca.us>
Subject: Embossing models?

After sending my last message, I started to wonder if anyone has ever
combined embossing with origami?

Perhaps someone could create an origami model then embosse additional
details, i.e. feathers, etc? This is probably more complex than I am
envisioning. I have a vague memory that you have to emboss on a hard surface.

This might be fun to experiment with. A research project. Definitely not for
purists :->,

pat slider
slider@yosemite.net





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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 19:52:26 -0300 (ADT)
From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@empnet.com>
Subject: Re: Spider problems

At 06:07 PM 6/18/96 -0300, you wrote:
>
>    Unfortunately, after reading *your* note, I thought I'd go back and
>    create another spider using some neat paper (a paper bag that
>    reproduced a 19th century newspaper).  Believe it or not, I got stuck
>    too...

      For some reason this makes me feel better...

>    This has happened to me with more than one model.  Maybe someone else
>    can help in the meantime?  (Can I still be "kind and magnificent", if a
>    little forgetful? :-)
>
Yes you can still be K & M, just don't forget to let me know when you get it
right.  I may be able to scare up a few more superlatives then!
>    Kristine
>    ktomlinson@trinzic.com
>    Waltham, MA, USA
>
P.S. - I *love* Brit Coms - what's your favorite?

Cheers,

Steve Woodmansee,
stevew@empnet.com





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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 20:31:09 -0300 (ADT)
From: Dexteron2@aol.com
Subject: Re: Embossing models?

In a message dated 96-06-18 19:05:35 EDT, you write:

>After sending my last message, I started to wonder if anyone has ever
>combined embossing with origami?
>
>Perhaps someone could create an origami model then embosse additional
>details, i.e. feathers, etc? This is probably more complex than I am
>envisioning. I have a vague memory that you have to emboss on a hard
surface.
>
>This might be fun to experiment with. A research project. Definitely not for
>purists :->,

Darn Tootin' It's not for purists!  However, if your paper's strong enough it
would probably work...

-Hammer Down-





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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 20:35:19 -0300 (ADT)
From: "MARGARET M. BARBER" <mbarber@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu>
Subject: Re: Anyone here who also does string figures?

Sorry to chime in so late in this thread, but I've been away.  When I was
a child, my Grandmother gave me a book that she had gotten from a dear
friend of hers in 1932, (published in 1912) and written by Kathleen Haddon
entitled, _Cat's Cradles from Many Lands_.  I remember many enjoyable
hours trying to figurout the diagrams.  I later purchased a book put
out by Dover Press entitled, _String Figures and How to Make Them_ by
Caroline Furness Jayne.  This book is too old to have an ISBN number,
but it is possible that they still publish it...  I don't work with string
much any more -- mostly for lack of time...

Peg Barber
mbarber@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu





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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 20:59:57 -0300 (ADT)
From: Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>
Subject: Re: tea bag origami

On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Reeds Family wrote:

> lots of books on folding T-bag envelopes?! Info on this  sounds worth
> sharing on the list generally to me. (My non-folder husband is equally
> bemused at the idea! We drink a lot of tea, though mostly loose.)
>
> >>have any further details? I understand there are a lot of books on he
> >>subject.

A lot of books on the subject? The only reference to this that I know of
is a photo on the last page of Kasahara/Maekawa's "Viva Origami" where
there is a deer folded out of teabag wrapper. No instructions are given,
so I've come up with a design of my own for a similar deer. The two long
strips at the end of the wrapper (that are left when you tear out the
little paper square that's attached to the end of the string) are used to
make the deer's antlers.

Joseph Wu  <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>  <http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/jwu/origami.html>
Approach life like a voyage on a schooner. Enjoy the view. Explore the vessel.
Make friends with the Captain. Fish a little. And then get off when you get
Home.                                                     --Max Lucado





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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 23:13:44 -0300 (ADT)
From: DBSH47B@prodigy.com (MRS. JANET J HAMILTON)
Subject: Re: Anyone here who also does string figures?

-- [ From: Janet Hamilton * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --

> Those who don't know what they are, think of cat's cradle.

It's kind of odd that this topic should come up now.  My daughter had
just gotten interested in string figures (she's 7), and after
unsuccessfully trying to remember any that I had known in grade school,
I bought the Klutz book of string figures for her.  It's a good
beginner book, with rainbow colored string included.  I'm curious if
anyone can recommend other books.  I did a search on amazon.com and
found a few, but there was little information about the books and no
reviews.

Thanks, and sorry if this is too far off topic.

Janet Hamilton
dbsh47b@prodigy.com





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Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 03:12:01 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jonathan Poh <jonath@pl.jaring.my>
Subject: Model diagrams from Paul Jackson's EoOaPT

Hello. Does anybody know how to make the Proteus module designed by David
Mitchell as featured in th book, Encyclopedia od Origami and Papercraft
Techniques by Paul Jackson? A completed polyhedra is on page 37 in my new book.
How about the Enigma cube modules designed jointly by David Mitchell and
Dave Brill (page 121)? Are the diagrams available somewhere(hopefully online)?

This book is really excellent and inspirational, wish it had more origami
diagrams, though..

Thanks..
------=====-----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====------
 \   Jonathan Poh                                      Ipoh, Perak, MALAYSIA
(//) Email: mailto://jonath@pl.jaring.my
  \  Home Page: http://www.lookup.com/Homepages/67661/home.html





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Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 06:46:57 -0300 (ADT)
From: Maarten van Gelder <M.J.van.Gelder@rc.rug.nl>
Subject: Re: tea bag origami

m> > lots of books on folding T-bag envelopes?! Info on this  sounds worth
m> > sharing on the list generally to me. (My non-folder husband is equally
m> > bemused at the idea! We drink a lot of tea, though mostly loose.)
m> >
m> > >>have any further details? I understand there are a lot of books on he
m> > >>subject.
m>
m> A lot of books on the subject? The only reference to this that I know of
m> is a photo on the last page of Kasahara/Maekawa's "Viva Origami" where
m> there is a deer folded out of teabag wrapper. No instructions are given,
m> so I've come up with a design of my own for a similar deer. The two long
m> strips at the end of the wrapper (that are left when you tear out the
m> little paper square that's attached to the end of the string) are used to
m> make the deer's antlers.

The first reference on folding tea bags for me was the same. And I also have
tried my own design. I've diagrammed it and I will put it in the archives
soon.
It is the only complete model from one single tea bag I've seen up to now.

A lot of books? No, not very many. I'm not sure about the number but I think
it may be about five different small books.
It is not my style of doing Origami: you cut small squares from the colored
part of a tea bag envelope, fold simple figures from them and glue them
together on cards in all kinds of patterns. It looks very nice.
A lot of people in Nederland save these tea bags (or ask other people to save
them) and do this kind of 'work'.

I save them also. But, as said, decorate cards is not my style of Origami.
I used a lot of these tea bags to cut rectangles, fold and assemble them to a
chain and other 3D arrangements. These will also be in the archives soon.

Maarten van Gelder,           Rekencentrum RuG,  RijksUniversiteit Groningen
M.J.van.Gelder@rc.rug.nl                         Nederland





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Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 09:22:45 -0300 (ADT)
From: mym@fuwutai.att.COM
Subject: Re: Delivery time from the Origami source

> From att!cbig3.att.att.com!nstn.ca!origami-l Mon Jun 17 22:36:46 1996
> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 23:14:01 -0300 (ADT)
> Reply-To: origami-l@nstn.ca
> Originator: origami-l@nstn.ca
> Sender: origami-l@nstn.ca
> From: "Bernie Cosell" <bernie@fantasyfarm.com>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <origami-l@nstn.ca>
> Subject: Delivery time from the Origami source
> X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
> Content-Type> : > text>
> Content-Length: 475
>
> Hi--
>
> I was wondering about how long it generally takes to get an order from the
> Origami Source...  I placed a largish one (>$150) about six weeks ago and
> to date I've not heard anything.  Is it overdue?  Is this about average?
> Am I being too optimistic about how soon it would arrive?
>
>   Thanks
>     /Bernie\
> --
> Bernie Cosell                     Fantasy Farm Fibers
> bernie@fantasyfarm.com            Pearisburg, VA
>     -->  Too many people, too few sheep  <--
>
>
Bernie,

My experience says that this is normal. I've placed orders that have taken about
6 weeks to get. Your books should be coming any day. I'm not sure but I think
that they process orders once a month.

Mark





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Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 09:27:04 -0300 (ADT)
From: mym@fuwutai.att.com
Subject: Re: Anyone here who also does string figures?

> From att!ihig1.att.att.com!nstn.ca!origami-l Mon Jun 17 22:46:25 1996
> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 00:24:23 -0300 (ADT)
> Reply-To: origami-l@nstn.ca
> Originator: origami-l@nstn.ca
> Sender: origami-l@nstn.ca
> From: unhinged@yrkpa.kias.com
> To: Multiple recipients of list <origami-l@nstn.ca>
> Subject: Re: Anyone here who also does string figures?
> X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
> Content-Type> : > text>
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>
> I've got the big purple book.  I especially like the mouse that runs
> through your finger and the 'fighting headhunters'.  I could probably
> find the big purple book if someone else could bring some good string.
>
> (heck- we could all shoot marbles later too :) )
>

Do you have more information about this big purple book? Is it still in print?

Mark McKinnon





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Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 10:13:26 -0300 (ADT)
From: casida@ere.umontreal.ca (Casida Mark)
Subject: Re: Montroll's Blue Shark

Steve Woodmansee wrote,

>         I hope everyone will consider this post appropriate, but I just had
> to share my excitement with those who will understand.  This evening I
> successfully completed Montroll's Blue Shark (he rates as difficulty level
> *** out of 4) and was very happy with the result.

Congratulations.  I love this model and share your enthusiasm.

                                   ... Mark

--
*-------------------------------------------------------*
|          Mark E. Casida                               |
|          e-mail: casida@chimcn.umontreal.ca           |





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Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 13:11:09 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Ashley G. Perrien" <perr2232@kutztown.edu>
Subject: Re: Embossing models?

> Perhaps someone could create an origami model then embosse additional
> details, i.e. feathers, etc? This is probably more complex than I am
> envisioning. I have a vague memory that you have to emboss on a hard surface.
>
Would it be possible to emboss paper while wet? Similar in theory to wet
foldling but only to get the feather or fur pattern needed.

Just an idea.

AshleyP





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Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 14:14:14 -0300 (ADT)
From: jopmall@ipa.net (Joplin Mall)
Subject: Re: Montroll's Blue Shark

   Good work Steve:
   Although I am unfamiliar with that model, I do know Montroll's work, and
it is a chalenge. First chance you get scan a picture of it so we can see.
Again congrats, I know the thrill of compleating a difficult project.

      Yours Truly:
      Sid Melton   sierramike@ipa.net
      Origami creations
      2509 Utica st.
      Joplin, Mo.   64801

>Steve Woodmansee wrote,
>
>>         I hope everyone will consider this post appropriate, but I just had
>> to share my excitement with those who will understand.  This evening I
>> successfully completed Montroll's Blue Shark (he rates as difficulty level
>> *** out of 4) and was very happy with the result.
>
>Congratulations.  I love this model and share your enthusiasm.
>
>                                   ... Mark
>
>--
>*-------------------------------------------------------*
>|          Mark E. Casida                               |
>|          e-mail: casida@chimcn.umontreal.ca           |





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Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 14:19:45 -0300 (ADT)
From: jopmall@ipa.net (Joplin Mall)
Subject: Re: Embossing models?

to continue that thought: wet the paper then do the embossing. dry the paper
then fold. If you were doing a fur pattern the orientation of the paper when
folded would make no difference. On the other hand doing feathers would
require that you determine whitch sections of the paper would run which
directions. try folding the model in plain paper then draw direction lines
on the finished model. unfold the model and use that as a pattern for your
embossing.

Have fun:
        Sid Melton   sierramike@ipa.net
        Origami Creations
        Joplin,Mo

>> Perhaps someone could create an origami model then embosse additional
>> details, i.e. feathers, etc? This is probably more complex than I am
>> envisioning. I have a vague memory that you have to emboss on a hard surface.
>>
>Would it be possible to emboss paper while wet? Similar in theory to wet
>foldling but only to get the feather or fur pattern needed.
>
>Just an idea.
>
>AshleyP





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Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 14:44:53 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kristine Tomlinson <ktomlinson@platinum.com>
Subject: Re: spider problems

    This response is for Steve Woodmansee and anyone else trying P.D.
    Tuyen's spider.  Last night I opened my book, and sure enough, it *was*
    step 8 that I got stuck on, so I started folding away and think I
    figured it out.  By the way, I was watching PBS again :-). Here goes:

    1. Follow the diagram in step 8 by folding the top and bottom points
    together.  This should create a TRIANGLE-shape with all the soon-to-be
    leg points tucked inside.  (If you don't have a triangle, I may have
    moved ahead to Step 9 in my frustration.)  Either way, you should end
    up with a triangle front and back, with the legs inside by step 9.

    2. I think I rotated the model about 1/4 turn.  Ignore step 10 -- it is
    an interim step to step 11.

    3. Fold the top point of the front triangle down and continue through
    to step 11 and 12.  Basically, you're doing something like a petal
    fold.

    4. Repeat on the other side and you should be on your way.

    I didn't finish the model after step 19 or so, because my non-origami
    paper gave out.  Let me know if you still have problems and I'll try
    from scratch over the weekend.  I fiddled so much at step 8 I may have
    done something that I haven't written here.

    Good luck!

    Kristine
    ktomlinson@trinzic.com (P.S. -- To the Manor Born is my favorite Brit
    Com, but I get a big kick out of Keeping Up Appearances, too!)





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Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 14:59:39 -0300 (ADT)
From: bminch@pcmp.caltech.edu
Subject: Re: Re: Klingon Bird of Prey

Hi all,

        It seems as though the original message about the availability of
diagrams for Jeremy Bootwell's model "Klingon Bird of Prey" didn't make it
to everyone.  I don't remember seeing it either and so went back and checked
all of my e-mail messages since April and didn't find it.  I would appreciate
it if the person who originally posted the message or someone who saved the
original message would repost it.  Thanks much!

                                   Brad Minch.
      _________________________________________________________________
 \|
 (")  Bradley A. Minch  <>< (818) 395-6996 <><  bminch@pcmp.caltech.edu  |/
 |^^  Physics of Computation Laboratory, Computation and Neural Systems (")_
 | |  California Institute of Technology, MC 136-93, Pasadena, CA 91125  (  \





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Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 15:10:20 -0300 (ADT)
From: Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com
Subject: Patience [Was: Re: string figures}

Jerry D. Harris said:
> repeatedly, when demonstrating
>or giving away an origami model to non-folders, I always hear "Oh, I would
>never have the patience for that."

I hear this all the time, and it always makes me laugh. I have several
hobbies that require a certain level of enduring frustration: origami,
paper cutting (pop-up cards, cut-and-glue polyhedra, snowflakes),
chair seat weaving (caning, porch seat weaving). All of these provoke
the "I don't have the patience for that." But put me in a chair with a
needle and thread and I will be a raving lunatic of impatience before
the button is sewn on. I can't imagine how anyone finds needlepoint,
cross-stitch or the like pleasant and relaxing in spite of the fact that
I can sit and fold cranes by the dozens just to relax or enjoy giving
a chair a new seat using just strips of reed.

*My* hobbies don't require patience (well, except for putting
together pieces of polyhedra) *because* I enjoy them. Patience is only
required for things that I don't enjoy. (dealing with impolite people,
for example, requires inordinate amounts of patience)

Well, having said that, I decided to look up the word. From the _American
Heritage Dictionary_ :  patience n. 1. The quality of being patient; capacity
of calm endurance. Which led me to : patient: adj. 1. Capable of bearing
affliction with calmness.

I have certainly watched non-folders struggle to make cranes. They proved
that they were capable of bearing affliction, but not, perhaps, with calmness.

Which leads me to my response whenever I have to respond to the standard
response when I tell people what I do: <normal red-blooded mercan says>
"You edit math textbooks. I hated math. Couldn't do it. How can you stand it."
<me> "Fortunately, we don't all enjoy the same things, or else everyone
would want to be a <fill in the blank> and the world would be much less
interesting.

Lisa
Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com

(Jerry--nice dinosaur! I won't embarrass myself by trying to name it.)





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Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 15:46:34 -0300 (ADT)
From: Pat Slider <slider@ims.mariposa.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Embossing models?

At 01:12 PM 6/19/96 -0300, you wrote:
>> Perhaps someone could create an origami model then embosse additional
>> details, i.e. feathers, etc? This is probably more complex than I am
>> envisioning. I have a vague memory that you have to emboss on a hard surface.
>>
>Would it be possible to emboss paper while wet? Similar in theory to wet
>foldling but only to get the feather or fur pattern needed.

So far what I have learned about embossing is that you use the embossing
stylus to draw with pressure. Probably would tear the paper if it was wet?
Although perhaps you could use the stylus as a tool for wet-folding details?
Never mind the embossing.

Anyway, after you make the impression, you can then shake on embossing
powder, which can come in multiple colors and metallic glitters, and then
apply heat (I saw where someone uses an old toaster :->). The impressed
image then raises up. Seems fairly simple really.

Perhaps embossing directly on a model won't be possible, but I still think
it could be fun to emboss a square of paper before folding. Perhaps a
pattern of fish or dragon scales, etc.? You can even add gold gilt too,
similar to decorative washi paper. You could always fold a model, unfold it
to emboss, and then fold it again.

Not much on the Internet has turned up so far. I shall have to find a good
book! I did find where someone uses their printer to impress a design (must
be an old daisy wheel printer?) and then just applies embossing powder and
heat. If you have a clunker of a printer, this could be something to try for
a decorative piece of paper with minimum effort....The URL for this is:

http://www.genie.com/holiday/emboss.txt

By the way, if anyone else is interested in this, embossing appears to be a
craft that is being pickup up by the rubber-stamping crowd. I expect
embossing info and materials would be available at any "rubber-stamp" store
or big craft store.

I myself am still learning, but beginning to feel determined :->....

pat slider
slider@yosemite.net





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Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 15:50:58 -0300 (ADT)
From: Pat Slider <slider@ims.mariposa.ca.us>
Subject: Suminagashi paper dying.

While netsurfing I came across some basic instructions for the paper dying
method Suminagashi:

http://www.calweb.com/~mcfadden/rbmpg5.html

This looks fun too.

pat slider.





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Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 15:53:13 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jennifer Andre <JAndre@cfipro.com>
Subject: Other Pursuits

     I'm curious to know what other hobbies we origami artists pursue, such
     as the string figures.  This is not a scientific survey; no results
     will be collected.  It might be interesting to see what other
     similarities we share or can come to share!





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Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 16:07:26 -0300 (ADT)
From: Pat Slider <slider@ims.mariposa.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Re: Klingon Bird of Prey

Dee Lynch originally posted the message and sent out the diagrams upon
receiving a SASE. I believe she will be offline for a few days, but I expect
she will reply when she gets back.

In case some of those interested in the "Klingon Bird of Prey" missed this
too....A number of posters recommended Jeremy Shafer's Enterprise model,
diagrammed in BARF Spring 1995 newsletter as I remember. Charles Knuffke
posted information on how to get the BARF back issues a month or two ago.

pat slider
slider@yosemite.net

At 02:59 PM 6/19/96 -0300, you wrote:
>
>Hi all,
>
>       It seems as though the original message about the availability of
>diagrams for Jeremy Bootwell's model "Klingon Bird of Prey" didn't make it
>to everyone.  I don't remember seeing it either and so went back and checked
>all of my e-mail messages since April and didn't find it.  I would appreciate
>it if the person who originally posted the message or someone who saved the
>original message would repost it.  Thanks much!
>
>                            Brad Minch.
>      _________________________________________________________________
> \|
> (")  Bradley A. Minch  <>< (818) 395-6996 <><  bminch@pcmp.caltech.edu  |/
> |^^  Physics of Computation Laboratory, Computation and Neural Systems (")_
> | |  California Institute of Technology, MC 136-93, Pasadena, CA 91125  (  \





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Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 16:28:19 -0300 (ADT)
From: jfryer@lib.ursinus.edu
Subject: Re: string figures

Jerry Harris said

> repeatedly, when demonstrating or giving away an origami model to
> non-folders, I always hear "Oh, I would never have the patience for that."
     ....
> I would guess that there are different kinds of "patience," but I
> couldn't figure out what kind we folders must have...???

I agree with Jerry, as I learned through personal experience and observation
of others.  There are different kinds of patience, and for me, origami sits
right on the edge!
                                 Judith
                                 jfryer@lib.ursinus.edu
