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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 01:25:03 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Polyhedra from Fuse Units

Jonathan, you've discovered a few of the drawbacks of the
"open frame" units from "Unit Origami". What follows, by
the way, is not a criticism of her work, as the open frame
units and most of the models in "Unit Origami" is early
work, though some are advances/improvements of her early
5 volume series (out of print; in Japanese).

She admits that the open frame units tend to wobble; in fact
they fail in both torsion and compression. They are also
very sensitive to the paper being accurately "square". And
no, you can't make "wire frame" or "edge strut" models of
many polyhedrons from them because of the 45 degree joints,
including dodecahedrons, unless you settle for filling in the
faces, as she does with the hexagon faces of one of the large
models in the photos.

I had to smile when I read Jonathan's post, as years ago when
I first got back into origami a result of discovering "Unit
Origami" at my local book store (I stood so long staring at
the book on the shelf, riveted by the cover - I'd no idea
there was a whole "modular" branch of origami going on - that
the bookseller came over and asked if I was all right :)

After a couple of cubes, etc. I built the hexagon and square
poly, then attempted a dodecahedron, only to make the same
discovery Jonathan did: it won't work.

Which lead me off on several variations and endless tinkering
with Fuse units in search of the elusive dodecahedron etc.

Jonathan: analyze why the open frame units won't work, and
see if you can come up with something that will. In the
meantime, here's a neat use of the open frame units:

Make 60 units. For each unit, fold one end as if you
were going to put them together in triangles. On the
other end, omit the inner crease of the flaps/tabs, as if
you were going to assemble a cube. (These ends will be
square, the others 45 degrees)

Assemble the units in sets of three, joining three at the
"cube-type" end to form tripods like the corners of a cube.
(20 tripods)

Finally, picture each tripod as being erected on the triangular
face of an icosahedron (20 triangular faces). Assemble that
icosahedron by joining the free ends of the tripod legs.

To see what the final model looks like, look at the little
drawing in the title banner of my Web page. (Hint: its
geometrically similar/equivalent to a 30-unit icosahedral
Sonobe module assembly)

--valerie
Valerie Vann
75070.304@compuserve.com
http:/users.aol.com/valerivann/index.html
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/valerie_vann





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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 01:46:57 -0300 (ADT)
From: Brett <BrettAndJill@OIA.Net>
Subject: Origami Museum Animals 1.

Hey,

Whew, just started a new job last week and I haven't had a chance to post as
much as I normally do.

Just got to look at a copy of Origami Museum Animals (Yoshizawa) through
Inter-Library Loan.

Heres the models. I'm not too good a judge of Complexity so, please be easy
on me.

1. Butterfly - Intermediate?  Very similar to others I have seen, or vise
versa more than likely.

2. Tadpole - low intermediate?  Very nice softly formed rounded body and
slender tail, as long as the body. 2 variations one with leglets and one
without.  Excellent example of Yoshizawa's brilliance with a simple model to
reflect the essence of an animal.

3. Jumping Frog - Waterbomb start. Stylized front feet, back feet and Eyes.
A small sized model would look realistic in that Yoshizawa way.  ACTION:
push the froggy butt and the frog jumps.

4. Snail - Waterbomb start. Nice color change Shell in color body in white.
Color change eyestalks. Domed (conical) shell.  One variation (pictured not
diagrammed) has a beautiful spiraled shell.  The spiral seems easy to adapt
with a series of pleat sinks.

5. Leaf - Simple Fish based leaf.  Nice to display your brightly colored
snail on though (as pictured).

6. Cicada - Simple - 4 slight variations of the "Classic" stylized Cicada 1.
short and fat 2. Slender 3. Flying (with opened wings) Yoshizawa says
"Spread wings of Cicada ... It flies well" 4. a fat version with a pleated
body (nice touch).

7. Leaf - same as 5 with mountain and valley ridges to reproduce veins.

8. Crab - 3 variations shown.  the first one gives you a basic form the
other two add "finishing" details to the model. Another excellent example of
Yoshizawa's brilliance with a simple model to reflect the essence of an animal.

9. Grasshopper - 3 variations. 1. Simple stylized. 2. Stylized flying model.
3. Refine model number 2 into a Very nice simple grasshopper with back legs,
wings and a stylized head.  Reminescent (sp?) of Kasahara's ant minus the
cuts (Creative Origami).

10. Jumping Origami - simple childrens toys. Grasshopper and frog Action:
push bottom and jump the grasshopper/frog.

11. Dragonfly - Bird base dragonfly without the "Classic" cuts (2 wings not
4).  Nice finishing moves for the head.

12. Whale and Fish - odd method Fish Base (go figure).  Have seen diagrammed
elsewhere.

13. Lobster - iso. triangle - long slender "feelers" and a pleated body.
Have seen diagrammed elsewhere. As in many yoshizawa books there is a model
pictured (with a more refined tail) but not diagrammed.  Have seen
diagrammed elsewhere.

14. Hermit Crab - modified bird base - Very similar to a hermit crab by
Kashara in "Origami Omnibus".  Color change shell and eyestalks. 2 versions
diagrammed. the second a refinement on the first.  A third is pictured with
a Pleated shell but not diagrammed.

15. Turtle - Waterbomb start - Sea turtle variety 2 versions shown and
diagrammed one with a flat shell, the second with a refinement on the first
to produce a slightly arched shell using a pleat.  Method similar to the
bayou turtle in Origami Animals (Lang).

16. Bird - Simple - 2 variations - flying and standing .  Flying model
refers to posture, I don't think it was intended to fly.

17. Flying Dove (Glider) - Simple - Flying toy.

18. Penguin - Simple - 3 Variiations - as usual it seems the first two are
finishing move to complete the third which contains more detail.

19. Crow - Simple - 1. Classic Pecking Crow. 2. Classic Mother Crow
(standing) 3. Seated with wings.

20. Mother Crow and Babies - Low Intermediate - 4 models - Mother Crow 2
versions. the second a refinement of the first.  2 versions of the baby crow
with heads up to be fed. Very cute.

21. Duck Family - simple - Fish base - Mommy duck standing and swimming and
baby duck swimming.

22. Owl - Simple - Kite base - Color Change BIG eyes (Nice).  As in many
Yoshizawa models finishing touches are crucial to the outcome of the final
model actually looking like the wize old owl pictured in the book.

23. Dove - intermediate - Classic Bird base 2 legs head tail.  Nice rounded
breast and Head.  Finishing details crucial.

24. Rabbit - simple - kite/fish base - head, 2 ears, tail and back feet.  no
front feet.  Interesting pleat move to form ears.

25. RACCOON, The Drummer - Intermediate - Fish base - Color change FAT
stomach (cute).  The drummer refers to a Japanese folk song (maybe someone
could quote this for us all).

26. Snake - simple - fish base - 2 variations one coiled with pleats , one
straight.

27. Dragon - intermediate - Kite base - Very finished head.  No legs long
body similar to "Classic" snake.

28. Mouse - low Intermediate - kite base - head, 2 ears and tail.  Very cute.

29. Tiger - simple - 2 piece - Softly folded head.  Doesn't look much like a
tiger. (or much like anything when you first look at it)  pardon my
irreverence for the master, it doesn't, however, take away my respect.

30. Giraffe - intermediate - fish base - 4 legs, head and tail, nice basic
very recognizeable.  Also pictured on the same page are a dog (extremely
nice I wish it was diagrammed) and a Pig (could this be a photo of the
famous purloined pig discussed in the forward to Peter Engels Book ? If you
know please let all of us know.

21. Gorilla - Waterbomb start - intermediate - The photo in the book (even
though its black and white) is masterful.  The face of the gorilla is
slightly folded into creases and dents to form a very gorilla like face.  It
is pictures like this that so reflect the "LIFE" of an animal or subject
that inspire me to do and replicate others origami (fold from books).

22. Giant Panda - 2 piece - Nice color changes, crucial to the form of any
origami panda. Speaking of Panda's Can anyone point me to the book
containing diagrams for Kasahara's famous panda pictured seated in one of
Kashara's panorama cubes in Origami Omnibus ?

23. The face of a dog - Simple - 2 versions of the Classic dog head with
refinements to add color changing eyes, nose, and tongue.

24. Puppy - simple - 2 variations incorporating the face of a dog (previous
model) also these 2 models contain a text explaining Origami as formative art.

25. Iguanadon - high intermediate ? - Bird Base - Head, fore arms, back
legs, and tail, several postures are pictured not diagrammed, but easily
reproduced from the photos. Neat.

26. Elephant - Intermediate - fish base - Head, tusks, trunk, tail, and
extremely stubby legs.  Although i have seen more formed elephants I like
this one.  As in many Yoshizawa models the finishing touches are vital.

** Also there are a few paragraphs about Yoshizawa in the back of the book.
I will type it if anyone is interested (EMAIL Private BrettAndJill@OIA.Net
and I will post it to the list)

Sorry for the Long wind, but these Yoshizawa books are hard to come by.
Some may have never seen a Yoshizawa model in a book.  It is only recently
that I have had a chance to see the books in person.

And as always responding to flames and Netiquette posts only perpetuate more
talk about that kind of CRAP.  Let the newbies on the list hear about that
stuff somewhere else.  I always liked this lists lack of it.

Also it is very easy to use that political correctness CRAP to SQUEEZE the
life and individuality out of EVERYTHING and everybody.  Keep in mind that
this list contains a VERY diverse cross section of people of every age and
nationality.  Frankly, I LOVE that, lets keep it that way.

Brett
BrettAndJill@OIA.Net





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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 10:27:31 -0300 (ADT)
From: "C:WINSOCKKA9QSPOOLMAIL" <nick@homelink.demon.co.uk>
Subject: airplanes book

In article: <1.5.4.32.19960606221655.002ec970@yosemite.net>
slider@ims.mariposa.ca.us writes:

> Anyway, his favorite paper airplane book is Nick Robinson's "Paper
> Airplanes". This is a nice hardback with color pictures and standard
origami
> diagrams. I still see this getting remaindered in the Hamilton catalog
> sometimes. (How many copies did the publisher print, Nick? Did they just
> fail in marketing this one?)

No idea - they never contacted me after I sent the final diagrams. I gather
it has been published in several countries, including a German translation,
but not a penny (dime) comes my way ;) Still proud of it though!

cheers!

Nick Robinson

nick@homelink.demon.co.uk





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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:17:05 -0300 (ADT)
From: Nick Robinson <nick@homelink.demon.co.uk>
Subject: BOS supplies

Here's the latest update on supplies, hot from the sweaty city of London
where the BOS council met yesterday....

We now have a new supplies officer, Sandy Boyd, together with a team of
three others as a supplies sub-committee (we love SC's in the BOS!)

It is our intention to fully revise the current system to ensure a) a
complete stock list, regularly updated b) a fast turnround of orders and
c) the chance to order via the Internet (www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos) via
credit cards if required.

This will take a little while to establish, but we hope any disgruntled
folders will then be able to order with confidence. Our initial target
is to release many of the ten new booklets currently queued, followed by
reprints of all old stock. A full booklets list will be posted to you
soon and it would help us if you could indicate which out of print items
you would like to see reprinted. We will make decisions based on demand.

Many apologies for the unavoidable problems in the recent past.

cheers,

Nick Robinson
nick@homelink.demon.co.uk

***Fold, don't Fight!***





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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:33:55 -0300 (ADT)
From: RA Kennedy <kennedra@isdugp.bham.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Paul Jackson's books, again

> Sorry to bring this up again, but I saw a copy of Paul Jackson's
> Encyclopedia od Origami and Papercraft Techniques in a local bookstore
> (Popular Book Company). The cover is purplish/maroon and is divided into a
> grid of pictures including a beautiful lobster paper sculpture. The
> paperback is published by Headline and is printed in Singapore with a
> suggested retail price of 11 UK pounds. Unfortunately I did not have a pen
> to write down the isbn no. but I remember there was a 7888 in the number.
> Apparently it's one book in a series of other encyclopedias on art. There
> were also encyclopedias of painting, drawing etc by different authors but by
> the same publisher. I don't recall seeing the EoO&PT being edited by
> somebody else. Has anybody else encountered this book and could tell me if
> this is the original encyclopedia or the remaindered edition. Thanks.
>

All the above matches the description of the Jackson 'Encyclopedia' which I
bought several years ago (except I bought a hard back copy). A book to
grace any collection of papercraft and origami books.

Richard K.
(R.A.Kennedy@bham.ac.uk)





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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:47:01 -0300 (ADT)
From: Rjlang@aol.com
Subject: Re: Alice Gray & "Creativity"

>>>>
The letter written by Alice is in many ways a masterpiece but how
anyone can say that the person (Lillian Oppenheimer), who created The
Origami Center of America and influenced and encouraged so many other
creators of origami is "not creative", is beyond me. It was a
tactless remark...
<<<<

As a previous respondent has already noted, within much of the origami world,
"creativity" is used as a synonym for "designing". That is, a "creative
folder" is a folder who designs original models. So Alice wasn't denigrating
Lillian; she was just saying that Lillian wasn't a designer of original
models using commonly accepted terminology.

Common or not, this usage really irks me because of its not-so-subtle
implication that within origami there is no creativity outside of design.
Even as a designer (and thus one of the so-called "creative") I recognize
that there's a lot of creativity associated with other aspects of origami.

To build upon the musical analogy previously raised here: people don't refer
recognizing that there can be equal creativity in performance, choice and
construction of instrument, musical arrangement, etc. I don't see that
origami is any different.Hence, I prefer the term "origami design" -- at
least to describe what _I_ do.

Just my $2e-1.

Robert Lang





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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 08:20:04 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Na. (NAKANISHI Ken-ichi)" <nakanish@pd.scei.sony.co.jp>
Subject: Re: Netiquette, Opinions and Threads

Sorry to be late and simply to reply your message.

In mail <Pine.SOL.3.91.960604144753.539A-100000@gos-oz>
    kb9727@tec.oz.cc.utah.edu writes:
> ...  Correct me if I'm wrong, but it is my understanding, that if
> you send unsolicited mail to anyone, the reciever has the right to use it
> in anyway he see fit.  Of course if the letter contains personal
> information, it would be good etiquette to ask permission to reproduce it.

I think we have different points of decision.  I've believed it's
netiquette to ask quotation of permission from private mails EXCEPT
when it has been permitted in the mails or when on decide the mail
to be harmful.

Only for the purpose of asking questions broadly, isn't it enough
to show an abstract for the mail without the questioner's name?

It was just lucky if the quoted mail contains no information to
hide.  But there are many people living in various communities
all around the world.  Is it too nervous to consider if one's
custom is different from the other?

--
nakanish@pd.scei.sony.co.jp (NAKANISHI Ken-ichi, not Kenichi Nakanishi)





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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 00:32:37 -0300 (ADT)
From: Eric Andersen <ema@netspace.org>
Subject: Jasper's Origami Page

Hi everyone! Jasper wanted me to forward this message to origami-l. Also,
he wanted the Reply-To line set to jasper@cytex.com, but as far as I know,
I can't alter this in my current email program (PINE). So please send all
personal replies to jasper@cytex.com. Thanks!

>    Hi!  I just wanted to let you all know that my origami pages
> have moved.  The new address of the origami menagerie is:
>
>       http://www.cytex.com/go/jasper/origami/
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jasper
> ----------------
> jasper@cytex.com

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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 01:38:31 -0300 (ADT)
From: jdharris@post.cis.smu.edu (Jerry D. Harris)
Subject: New Model!  8-)

Hi Gang -

        Well, I'm all a'twitter, and I wanted to share the good news with
the list:  I just invented a terrific origami _Stegosaurus!_  It's
something I've wanted to make for years, and have been working on steadily
for the last month (in between dissecting cadavers for Human Anatomy
class...)  I'm very proud of it, although to be blunt, I'm still working on
the tail spikes.  It is (as are all my models) a single, uncut square.
It's got 15 plates in 2 alternating rows, all formed from two parallel
lines down the diagonal of the square.  Best of all, the alternation of the
plates does not depend on crimping one half of the paper (as in Montroll's
model) -- it's absolutely independent from the rest of the model, which is
nice because it allows the legs to be made symmetrically.

        On the downside of the model:  even though I ordered a copy of
Kawahata's book from Sasuga (and again, all my thanks to everyone who
pointed me at that web site!), it's been on back-order and I haven't gotten
it yet.  However, I've been examining (as best I can) pictures of his
_Stegosaurus_ model on a few people's web sites, and I'm noticing a
disturbing number of similarities between my model and his (at least in the
shape and apparent origin of the plates).  I honestly hope that I haven't
doubly created his model.  My suspicions are aroused all the more because
the penultimate inspiration for my design with this model was a photo of
Kawahata's _Ankylosaurus_ model (which is heavily anatomically inaccurate,
BTW).  While working on this _Stegosaurus_ design, I've also noted that I
think I may, in the future, be able to use the same essential technique to
obtain an anatomically accurate ankylosaur, a nodosaur, probably an
aetosaur, and maybe even a 3D turtle.  I can even envision some nice nudes
(of both genders) in the technique -- maybe I'll do an origami "Venus de
Milo!"  8-)

        Anyway, I just wanted to share my joy with the rest of the list!
Not to tease or tantalize, but I doubt I'll be able to get around to
diagramming the model for quite a while -- maybe I can send it to someone
who can put a photo on their web page, if they so desire, and if anyone
else wants to see it?  Well, at least, I can do that once I get the tail
spikes to be as nice as the rest of the model!  8-)

Jerry D. Harris                       (214) 768-2750
Dept. of Geological Sciences          FAX:  (214) 768-2701
Southern Methodist University         jdharris@post.smu.edu
Box 750395                            (CompuServe:  73132,3372)
Dallas  TX  75275-0395

"This was my first word of the discovery, and it told of the identification
of early shells, bones of ganoids and placoderms, remnants of
labyrinthodonts and thecodonts, great mosasaur skull fragments, dinosaur
vertebrae and armor plates, pterodactyl teeth and wing bones, Archaeopteryx
debris, Miocene sharks' teeth, primitive bird skulls, and other bones of
archaic mammals such as paleotheres, Xiphodons, Eohippi, Oreodons, and
titanotheres...the hallowed stratum had lain in its present, dried, dead,
and inaccessible state for at least thirty million years."
          -- H.P. Lovecraft, _At the Mountains of Madness_ (1931)





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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 02:05:43 -0300 (ADT)
From: Brett <BrettAndJill@OIA.Net>
Subject: Re: Polyhedra from Fuse Units

At 03:55 AM 6/8/96 -0500, you wrote:
>
>A question for modular nuts on the list.
>
>Can any of the units introduced by Fuse-san in her Unit Origami book be used
>to make polyhedra other than octahedra, icosahedra, snub cubes,
>rhombicuboctohedra and models consisting of squares and triangles only?
>I tried a dodecahedron from her Open Frame units but they don't lock well
>and broke apart. Others like the little turtle also can't hold a pentagon
>strong enough. what about the polyhedra containing octagons etc?
>
> \   Jonathan Poh                                      Ipoh, Perak, MALAYSIA
>(//) Email: mailto://jonath@pl.jaring.my
>  \  Home Page: http://www.lookup.com/Homepages/67661/home.html
>     NEW home Page: http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/3450/index.html

Try the Dual wedges.  Not the wedge that makes the concave dodecahedron, but
the one the makes the really sharp triangular points.

I made a lesser stellated dodecahedron, and a icosedodecahedron.  One
drawback, glue is require for anything with more than 4 sides to a face.

This unit can be used to make a face of up to 8 sides (octagon) the more
sides on the face the flatter the point becomes.  With an 8 sided face, the
face is completely flat (no longer stellated).

When I use the word face I am referring to one side of the polygon (either
flat or stellated).

I think that you could make any of the polyhedron listed in the back of the
book that don't contain any shapes larger than an eight sided figure.

Does this make any sense ?  I dont have a very strong math background so, I
don't really have the terminology.

Brett
BrettAndJill@OIA.Net





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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 10:58:11 -0300 (ADT)
From: plank@cs.utk.edu
Subject: Re: Polyhedra from Fuse Units

>A question for modular nuts on the list.
>
>Can any of the units introduced by Fuse-san in her Unit Origami book be used
>to make polyhedra other than octahedra, icosahedra, snub cubes,
>rhombicuboctohedra and models consisting of squares and triangles only?
>I tried a dodecahedron from her Open Frame units but they don't lock well
>and broke apart. Others like the little turtle also can't hold a pentagon
>strong enough. what about the polyhedra containing octagons etc?

I'm a big fan of Neale's ``penultimate'' module, which you can tweak
to do almost anything you want.  See my web page
(http://www.cs.utk.edu/~plank/plank/origami/origami.html) for
pictures and instructions.  Or see Jay Ansill's ``Lifestyle Origami"
for an introduction.  I don't give instructions for modules for
making octagons, but I have done it to make a truncated cube and
rhombitruncated cuboctahedron.  Both were fairly stable.  I haven't
gotten to the decagons, but I'm guessing that the truncated
icosahedron & rhombitruncated icosidodecahedron will not hold
together without glue (a decagonal prism probably would though).

If you're looking for cool modulars to make, a few years ago Jeannine
Mosely posted a brilliantly simple module for making greater/lesser
stellated dodecahedrons.  I still have the mail and can send it to
you if you want, or you can dig it from the archives (it was 7/11/94).

Jim
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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 15:06:54 -0300 (ADT)
From: Allen Parry <parry@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: New Model!  8-)

Congradulations!

You must be proud to bring to life the image that dwelled within your mind
for the last month.  I hope it spurs you on to birthing more designs.

Thanks, also, for the new vocab word - penultimate: next to the last in
a series.  I like a good new word.

Allen Parry
parry@eskimo.com





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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 15:29:15 -0300 (ADT)
From: Allen Parry <parry@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: New Model!  8-)

On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Allen Parry wrote:

Correction - I made a mistake... delete my penultimate message ... I
should have said the image that dwelled within your mind for several
years.  Sorry for the understatement!

(Hey, I got to use my new vocab word too!) =8-p

Allen Parry
parry@eskimo.com





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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 18:23:37 -0300 (ADT)
From: GURKEWITZ@WCSUB.CTSTATEU.EDU
Subject: Re: Polyhedra from Fuse Units

In our book, we have a module that makes an open dodecahedron. We
call it the Dodecahedron Flower Ball and the units are made from
equilateral triangles. It's supposed to be taught at the OUSA convention
this year.

"3D Geometric Origami: Modular Polyhedra", Rona Gurkewitz and Bennett Arnstein
Dover Publications

Rona





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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 06:57:34 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jonathan Poh <jonath@pl.jaring.my>
Subject: Re: ORIGAMI-L digest 369

>no, you can't make "wire frame" or "edge strut" models of
>many polyhedrons from them because of the 45 degree joints,
>including dodecahedrons, unless you settle for filling in the
>faces, as she does with the hexagon faces of one of the large
>models in the photos.

But filling in the faces of a dodecahedron with triangles makes it a
icosahedron...

>Origami" at my local book store (I stood so long staring at
>the book on the shelf, riveted by the cover - I'd no idea
>there was a whole "modular" branch of origami going on - that
>the bookseller came over and asked if I was all right :)

I had a similar reaction when my dad brought it back from Singapore.. I just
flipped through the pages in awe, not knowing where to start...

>Jonathan: analyze why the open frame units won't work, and
>see if you can come up with something that will. In the

how do I get an accurate 108 degree angle on a open frame unit?

>meantime, here's a neat use of the open frame units:

--deleted--

Ok. will try that ASAP. Thanks for the help!

How about the Simplified sonobe units and variations (i.e your gum wrapper
units) Are they more versatile or do they have the same 45 degree
restriction as the open frame units?

 \   Jonathan Poh                                      Ipoh, Perak, MALAYSIA
(//) Email: mailto://jonath@pl.jaring.my
  \  Home Page: http://www.lookup.com/Homepages/67661/home.html
     NEW home Page: http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/3450/index.html





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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 10:01:50 -0300 (ADT)
From: "C:WINSOCKKA9QSPOOLMAIL" <nick@homelink.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Netiquette, Opinions and Threads

In article: <9606111117.AA03740@deneb.pd.scei.sony.co.jp>
nakanish@pd.scei.sony.co.jp writes:

> It was just lucky if the quoted mail contains no information to
> hide.

Lucky perhaps, hopefully a matter of judgement.....

cheers!

Nick Robinson

nick@homelink.demon.co.uk





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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 10:28:16 -0300 (ADT)
From: plank@cs.utk.edu
Subject: Re: Polyhedra from Fuse Units

> If you're looking for cool modulars to make, a few years ago Jeannine
> Mosely posted a brilliantly simple module for making greater/lesser
> stellated dodecahedrons.  I still have the mail and can send it to
> you if you want, or you can dig it from the archives (it was 7/11/94).

Ok -- it's now hanging off my web page at

http://www.cs.utk.edu/~plank/plank/origami/mosely.txt

or anonymous ftp to cs.utk.edu in pub/plank/origami/mosely.txt

Jim





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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:12:30 -0300 (ADT)
From: Nebaman@aol.com
Subject: Temporarily Rob

This is Unhinged@yrkpa.kias.com.  There have been some problems with that
account, so I haven't been getting e-mail AT ALL.  I've temporarily signed on
to AOL, and posted my page on, until my provider corrects the problems.

Check out the page at:

http://members.aol.com/nebaman

I have 4 origami books/covers online, plus a whole section on the Golden
Venture (which is going to GROW soon).  I'm an Information systems intern at
the law office that was involved (and is still) in seeking asylum for the
Chinese, and as such have more opportunities to photograph some GREAT models,
more insight into their plight, and soon to have MANY MANY new pieces of
information to add to my page.

Please give me some feedback on the first part of it, and watch for more of
the same!

Rob Hudson





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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 14:10:32 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: ORIGAMI-L digest 369

"not a dodecahedron any more"

Right. Most of the polys assembled from Sonobe-type units
(essentially squares folded in half diagonally; cf.
Origami for the Conoisseur), using the wireframe poly
patterns in both Fuse and OFTC, resort to filling in the
faces with triangles, so most are actually sort of
"stellated" with pyramids erected on the non-triangular
faces.

My gum wrapper module, like all Sonobe-type modules
assembles the same way, so is not what you're aiming for
(Sonobe units are fun, but not for "purists"  :-)

I do have a "family" of strut modules that will make all sorts
of open/wire frame polys, but I'm not ready to go public with
the diagrams yet. Fuse and/or Ow have published recently
something very similar, but don't seem to have quite gotten
as far with it in terms of flexibility to various constructions;
if I don't get into print with it soon, I'll get pre-empted.

--valerie
Valerie Vann
75070.304@compuserve.com





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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 17:59:51 -0300 (ADT)
From: Pam & Namir <pgraben@umich.edu>
Subject: Alex's moved page

>Date: Fri, 07 Jun 1996 13:21:29 -0400
>To: Origami-l
>From: Namir <pgraben@umich.edu>
>Subject: Alex's moved page
>
>I know this is probably old news, but has anyone been able to get into
http://www.mrc-cpe.cam.ac.uk/cpe/jong/agb/origami.html ?        Just
checking to see if it is me or something!
>

!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-
!-!-!

Pamela Graben,         We and the world, see, we got
Namir Gharaibeh                this understanding!

          pgraben@umich.edu





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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:31:35 -0300 (ADT)
From: Rjlang@aol.com
Subject: "Origami, the Secret Life of Paper" CD-ROM

Hi all,

the long-awaited origami-CD-to-end-all-origami-CDs is in its final throes of
gestation and the Mac version should be shipping Real Soon Now. I'm gonna
bring a copy to convention: if all goes well, the shrink-wrapped shipping
version, if not, a late beta (which is still pretty darn cool even as a beta,
if I immodestly say so myself). For latecomers, this CD contains video
instructions for simple folds, a walk-through art gallery of models by 35 of
the world's top folders, text and tidbits on history, paper, origami and
mathematics, and assorted other goodies.

I'll be happy to demo and let folks try it out there, but I need a computer.
Is there anyone who is (1) going to the convention, (2) has (or has access
to) a color Mac with a CD-ROM, that (3) would be willing to allow use of at
the convention? If so, please reply privately and we'll work out the
logistics.

Thanks, and see the rest of you in NY!

Robert J. Lang
rjlang@aol.com





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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:54:59 -0300 (ADT)
From: Alex Bateman <agb@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Alex's moved page

> >I know this is probably old news, but has anyone been able to get into
> http://www.mrc-cpe.cam.ac.uk/cpe/jong/agb/origami.html ?        Just
> checking to see if it is me or something!

Try
http://www.mrc-cpe.cam.ac.uk/jong/agb/origami.html

--
- Alex Bateman
- MRC Laboratory of Molecular Biology
- agb@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk
- Phone: (01223) 402479
- http://www.mrc-cpe.cam.ac.uk/jong/agb/origami.html





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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 00:44:30 -0300 (ADT)
From: Charles Knuffke <knuffke@sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Alex's moved page

At 4:55 PM -0800 on 6/13/96, Alex Bateman wrote:

> > >I know this is probably old news, but has anyone been able to get into
> > http://www.mrc-cpe.cam.ac.uk/cpe/jong/agb/origami.html ?        Just
> > checking to see if it is me or something!
>
> Try
> http://www.mrc-cpe.cam.ac.uk/jong/agb/origami.html
>
> --
> - Alex Bateman
> - MRC Laboratory of Molecular Biology
> - agb@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk
> - Phone: (01223) 402479
> - http://www.mrc-cpe.cam.ac.uk/jong/agb/origami.html

Alex:

Wanted to let you know that I can get log onto your homepage and can use
your way cool search engines for the OriIndex and the Origami-L archives.
However, every time I choose on of your hypertext links (for example
"Aardvark" or "Cool Squid") I get:

"403 Forbidden

 Your client does not have permission to get URL /cpe/jong/agb/xxx.gif from
this
 server."

Thought you'ld like to know. Also wanted you to know your search engines
are still the coolest thing going. Thanks for letting us have access to
them.

Regards.

*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
Charles Knuffke       "Amen the Thunderbolt in the Dark Void"
153 Divisadero                                  -Jack Kerouac
San Francisco CA 94104
mailto://knuffke@sirius.com





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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 05:20:46 -0300 (ADT)
From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@empnet.com>
Subject: Re: Alex's moved page

At 06:00 PM 6/13/96 -0300, you wrote:
>>Date: Fri, 07 Jun 1996 13:21:29 -0400
>>To: Origami-l
>>From: Namir <pgraben@umich.edu>
>>Subject: Alex's moved page
>>
>>I know this is probably old news, but has anyone been able to get into
>http://www.mrc-cpe.cam.ac.uk/cpe/jong/agb/origami.html ?        Just
>checking to see if it is me or something!
>>
I backtracked one segment at a time and was finally able to get into
http://www.mrc-cpe.cam.ac.uk.  There is a section where the next segment
(http://www.mrc-cpe.cam.ac.uk/*CPE*) would be but it is under the heading of
"Mainly for local users (access may be restricted):"

Since this is a U.K. based page I imagine any of us across the pond will not
be considered local users.

It's a shame though, I'd love to see Alex's new page myself.  Alex, are you
listening out there?
Cheers,

Steve Woodmansee,
stevew@empnet.com





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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 05:24:16 -0300 (ADT)
From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@empnet.com>
Subject: Re: Alex's moved page

At 09:55 PM 6/13/96 -0300, you wrote:
>> >I know this is probably old news, but has anyone been able to get into
>> http://www.mrc-cpe.cam.ac.uk/cpe/jong/agb/origami.html ?        Just
>> checking to see if it is me or something!
>
>Try
>http://www.mrc-cpe.cam.ac.uk/jong/agb/origami.html
>
>--
>- Alex Bateman

Is my face red or what?  I replied to someone's post regarding difficulty
getting to Alex's new web page before I encountered this post from Alex
himself.  Apologies to all.
Cheers,

Steve Woodmansee,
stevew@empnet.com





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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 07:33:25 -0300 (ADT)
From: "P.J. APPLEFORD" <pabpja@west-01.novell.leeds.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: BOS supplies

Hi,

I noticed a few days back Nick Robinson mentioned that there is now a
new supplies officer for the BOS.  Does anybody know what the
expected turnaround of orders is at the moment?  I sent off for a
book weeks ago and have received nothing, not even a comfirmation
that my order is being processed.

Thanks in advance,

Pete XXXXXXX





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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 10:23:21 -0300 (ADT)
From: Alex Bateman <agb@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Alex's moved page

Charles Knuffke wrote:

> However, every time I choose on of your hypertext links (for example
> "Aardvark" or "Cool Squid") I get:
>
> "403 Forbidden
>
>  Your client does not have permission to get URL /cpe/jong/agb/xxx.gif from
> this
>  server."

Thanks Charles, I'm glad someone let me know about this. It is now
rectified, make sure you press reload when you visit though!
If you have any suggestions for improvements to the archive searches I'd
be happy to try and implement tham.

Bye for now
Alex

--
- Alex Bateman
- MRC Laboratory of Molecular Biology
- agb@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk
- Phone: (01223) 402479
- http://www.mrc-cpe.cam.ac.uk/jong/agb/origami.html





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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 10:24:04 -0300 (ADT)
From: Tim Rueger <rueger@areaplg2.corp.mot.com>
Subject: YA New Origami Webpage - Lang's Insects, etc.

Hi, all,

I'd like to announce Yet Another New Origami Webpage:

    http://homepage.interaccess.com/~rueger/origami/index.html

It has the following:

    - An overview of Robert Lang's Origami Insects book, with
      photos of all models in the book

    - Photos of other models I've folded

    - Information on CHAOS (the CHicago Area Origami Society).

The photo pages use frames if your browser supports them, but users of
other browsers (even lynx) should also find the pages easy to read and
navigate.  (I'm a firm believer in keeping content browser-independent.)

Please stop by and tell me what you think.  If you experience any
problems with the pages, please let me know.  Enjoy...

-Tim
--
Tim Rueger             Motorola CCRL IC Design Laboratory, IL02-2921
Fax  : (847) 538-4593  Internet: rueger@areaplg2.corp.mot.com





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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 10:37:02 -0300 (ADT)
From: "BOB T. LYNCH" <blynch@du.edu>
Subject: help for Spring into Action

Hi all -

I have been searching the archives and, so far, haven't found what I wanted
I am attempting to fold Jeff (Geoff?) Benyon's "Spring into Action" and I am
stumped - I can see where it is going - I just can't get there! Anyone have a
handy dandy trick on how to get this puppy to twist the way you want it to
without 1) unfloding 2) mashing the rest of your creases? I am tempted to g___
the thing into a tube to see if that will help! AAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!

thanks -

Dee





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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 11:38:12 -0300 (ADT)
From: Bruce Stephens <stephens@math.ruu.nl>
Subject: Re: help for Spring into Action

>>>>> "BOB" == BOB T LYNCH <blynch@du.edu> writes:

> I have been searching the archives and, so far, haven't found what I
> wanted I am attempting to fold Jeff (Geoff?) Benyon's "Spring into
> Action" and I am stumped - I can see where it is going - I just
> can't get there! Anyone have a handy dandy trick on how to get this
> puppy to twist the way you want it to without 1) unfloding 2)
> mashing the rest of your creases? I am tempted to g___ the thing
> into a tube to see if that will help! AAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!

Well, the only advice I've been able to get is to use a tube or
something to hold most of it while you do the end.  I've never managed
to make it work, though.  Dimensions aren't critical: if you take a
silver rectangle and remove a third, I'm told that will work.

I've managed to make 3 or maybe 4 that worked, and I must have started
30 or 40.  I think it's just one of those tricky folds.  Dave Brill
told me he'd never made one which he felt was entirely satisfactory.





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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 12:46:14 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy)" <sychen@leatherback.nist.gov>
Subject: New photos on Sy's page!

Hi,

I just added some new photos of my models in my page:
http://www.iia.org/~chens/pprfld.htm

Please tolerate its current non-organized look. I will renovate it once I
learn the frame feature of HTML in the future.

|-------------------------------------------------------\
|  _  Sy Chen <chens@iia.org or sychen@enh.nist.gov>    |\
| |_| Folding Page http://www.iia.org/~chens/pprfld.htm --\





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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 14:25:57 -0300 (ADT)
From: Gretchen Klotz <gren@agora.rdrop.com>
Subject: Fabric Origami Web Site

Howdy all -

Glenda Scott, who wrote an article for the July issue of _Threads_
magazine (at the newsstand now) on folding with fabric, has finally gotten
her web pages going.  Give them a look at:

        http://www.owt.com/gdscott

She knows about origami-l but does not subscribe, so I offered to post the
info for her.  I think her work is really beautiful (which has *nothing*
to do with the fact that she folds mostly Fuse boxes, of course ;-), and
she gives instructions for how to treat the fabric.  Great stuff!

- Gretchen

--
gren@agora.rdrop.com         http://www.ogi.edu/~gren/





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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 16:11:35 -0300 (ADT)
From: unhinged@yrkpa.kias.com
Subject: back in action

Straightened out my provider probs.  I'll probably keep the page on AOL
for a while, and update it here.  I'll decide which one to keep, or how
to change em'.

Rob





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Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 14:27:20 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: help for Spring into Action

I've only made one Benyon "Spring", and it did work, but I
thought the paper dimensions were important at least to some
degree, to get it to curl inside itself and look "solid"
(Can't find the darn thing now; probably lurking inside a
Fuse Box somewhere :-)

Anyway, I used the dimensions from Benyon's BOS booklet
diagrams, and a large sheet of medium weight letter bond
paper, some of that "FadeLess" paper I think. (Isn't it
also diagrammed in one of the Fuse Spiral books or
someplace in addition to the original BOS booklet?)

If I recall correctly, I got both ends spiralled completely
around, and then switched to working the pleats from the
center of the spring toward both ends. Took maybe 3 hours
or so to make, and the pleat intersections had to be very
precise. I couldn't see how putting it int a tube would
help.

Terrific gizmo when done. Engineer/technical types go
bananas when you show it to them.

--valerie
Valerie Vann
75070.304@compuserve.com





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Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 17:58:20 -0300 (ADT)
From: rshuster@newtech.net (Bob Shuster)
Subject: Re: YA New Origami Webpage - Lang's Insects, etc.

Tim, I've added your page to my list of origami pages, the URL is:

http://www.thewebwerks.com/orihot.html

I also have my own origami page at:

http://www.thewebwerks.com/origami.html

and an origami bibliography page at:

http://www.thewebwerks.com/oribib.html

Check them out and feel free to add links to them on your pages!  Happy
folding  - Bob

   [ ------> The WebWerks!  -  custom graphics & site design <------ ]
   [      "Come into my parlor - said the spider to the fly..."      ]
   [      email: rshuster@newtech.net       phone: 215-927-4928      ]
   [               website: http://www.thewebwerks.com               ]
   [ *also*  MusikWerks:  http://www.thewebwerks.com/musikwerks.html ]





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Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 18:01:50 -0300 (ADT)
From: rshuster@newtech.net (Bob Shuster)
Subject: Re: YA New Origami Webpage - Lang's Insects, etc.

>Tim, I've added your page to my list of origami pages, the URL is:
>
etc.

Sorry for posting this inadvertantly to the list, this was meant to be
private.  :(

 - Bob

   [ ------> The WebWerks!  -  custom graphics & site design <------ ]
   [      "Come into my parlor - said the spider to the fly..."      ]
   [      email: rshuster@newtech.net       phone: 215-927-4928      ]
   [               website: http://www.thewebwerks.com               ]
   [ *also*  MusikWerks:  http://www.thewebwerks.com/musikwerks.html ]





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Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 22:05:45 -0300 (ADT)
From: Michael Whittington <mwhittin@freenet.npiec.on.ca>
Subject: tea bag origami

A friend showed me a greetings card made by her friend in Holland. It
included "flowers" produced by folding tea bag envelopes. Though not
pure origani, since pieces were stuck together with glue :( it was none
the less an attractive arrangement. Do any of our Dutch friend on the list
have any further details? I understand there are a lot of books on he
subject. Since this is slightly off topic please e-mail me direct. Thanks

mike whittington, Niagara Falls, Ontario, Canada
mwhittin@freenet.npiec.on.ca





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Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 22:09:20 -0300 (ADT)
From: Imagine104@aol.com
Subject: Re: Klingon Bird of Prey

Thought you all should know:
I am very pleased wth Dee's diagram of Jeremy Bootwell's model "Klingon Bird
of Prey" that Dee offered to recipients of the list. Of course the biggest
appeal would be to "Trekkies", but there is a clever twist on the crane base
that everybody will enjoy. Also if you have a special attraction to any type
of origami airplane this is very cool. IMHO.
I haven't been able to find the right combination of paper and angles to get
it to the flying stage yet, but it does glide gently to the ground. (Or into
port depending on your point of view.)
WELL DONE!!

Maldon Wilson





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Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 22:53:20 -0300 (ADT)
From: Imagine104@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: Selling my own model.

---------------------
Forwarded message:
Subj:    Selling my own model.
Date:    96-06-15 20:58:41 EDT
From:    Imagine104

Grechen drew my attention to the "Selling Models" thread. As I read through
it similiar questions occured to me.
Recently I developed a envelope model made from a square. I am considering
selling a small amount of note cards using some very simple models (some
traditional some by others, pending permission of course), but I would prefer
to keep the envelope to myself. Now here come the questions:
1. How do I go about copyrighting the diagram?
2. How much does it cost?
3. How do I know some one else hasn't done it before? (As I say it is very
simple.)
4. If I copyright but don't publish does this protect my rights to the model?
5. If another folder wants to publish the envelope in a book do I earn
anything?

Please pardon the monentary delusion of grandeur.

Maldon Wilson

P.S.All this refers to US copyright.





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Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 04:56:05 -0300 (ADT)
From: Seth E Kingman <sk6n+@andrew.cmu.edu> (by way of Jonathan Poh
      <jonath@pl.jaring.my>)
Subject: Re: Polyhedra from Fuse Units

[I'm not subscribed to the list, so could you please re-post this to the
list, in case others are interested?]

I made some pentagonal faces using the open frame II units
(solid-colored), by making a spoke-and wheel system. This keeps internal
angles under the 90-degree limit imposed by the unit. The spokes can be
made to either indent a little, or form a mountain on the face. This can
also be done for  a hexagonal face, which would then be flat, but
diagonals are too long for 7 or more sides. The only solution I can
think of for a 7-sider (which, ocme to think of it, probably isn't all
that useful) is to use paper for the spokes that is longer on two
(opposite) sides, and modify the unit to make it match up in the
assembly. For an 8-sider, make a sqaure inside the octagon, and connect
two corners of the octagon to one of the square, as follows; I haven't
tried this, but I don't see why it wouldn't work. (similarly, for any
non-prime number of sides, make a polygon with a number of sides that
divides the number for of sides for the one you're after; this should
make anything accessible.) Good luck!

        ----
       /\  /\
      /  \/  \     ooh, I hope the spacing on this
     |\  /\  /|    works... anyway, with all the units
     | \/  \/ |    the same length, the square will project
     | /\  /\ |    a little, like the spokes on the pentagon.
     |/  \/  \|
      \  /\  /
       \/  \/
        ----

                    -Seth

Seth Kingman       Carnegie Mellon Class of 1998

"The willow knows what the storm does not: that the
 power to endure harm outlives the power to inflict it"
                     -- "Blood of the Martyr"





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Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 14:26:09 -0300 (ADT)
From: marckrsh@nyc.pipeline.com (Marc Kirschenbaum)
Subject: Re: Fwd: Selling my own model.

On Jun 15, 1996 22:53:20, 'Imagine104@aol.com' wrote:

>Grechen drew my attention to the "Selling Models" thread. As I read
through
>it similiar questions occured to me.
>Recently I developed a envelope model made from a square.
>1. How do I go about copyrighting the diagram?

Basicly, the person who produced the first instance of the diagrams gets
the
copyright. The simple act of publushing your diagrams, with the year and
your
name included, provides you with the copyright to those diagrams. Another
trick
that some music composers do is to mail themselves a copy of the music they

wrote. As long as the letter remains sealed, the stamped date on the letter
is
proof that the contents enclosed were produced prior to that date.

>2. How much does it cost?
If you use the above method, it will cost you about $0.32. I suppose if you

wanted you could try to patent your work, but people in the arts tend to
avoid
that route (too expensive, and silly INMHO).

>3. How do I know some one else hasn't done it before? (As I say it is very

>simple.)

You can only hope for the best. Especially with simple models, duplication
of
other's work is quite possible (and has happened). This is legaly okay
(only
the diagrams are copyrightable), but if done intentionally, I personally
find
it moraly wrong.

>4. If I copyright but don't publish does this protect my rights to the
model?

I would like to be enlightened on this question as well; I do not know of
any
other route of copyrighting other than publishing (i.e., I do not know of
an
official copyrighting agency).

>5. If another folder wants to publish the envelope in a book do I earn
>anything?

That would be up to you. In all of the instances I have been a guest artist
in
someone else's book, my only compensation was a complementary copy of the
book.
I suppose if I were in a greedy mood, I could have asked for some money as

well, but chances are, my proposal would be rejected, and a substitute
model
would have been found. For me, the real value was beeing afforded the
opportunity to be published in the company of other great creators. If you
are
supplying a significant portion of the diagrams for a commercial
publication,
then it is perfectly in line to request compensation. Here, the amount
would
vary, and I am not that familiar with this area.

I hope you will be willing to share your design with the rest of us (there
are
a lot of letter fold lovers out there).

Marc





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Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 18:54:31 -0300 (ADT)
From: deg farrelly <ICDEG@ASUVM.INRE.ASU.EDU>
Subject: Copyright of diagrams

Marc wrote:

>Another trick that some music composers do is to mail themselves a copy
>of the music they wrote. As long as the letter remains sealed, the
>stamped date on the letter is proof that the contents enclosed were
>produced prior to that date.

Sorry, Marc.  But this is not a proof of the contents of the envelope.
You can mail yourself an unsealed envelope (tuck the flap inside for
mailing), then place something in the envelope and seal it at a later
date.

The larger question in this thread (to me) is one of why the interest
in protecting the copyright on a diagram.  If one is working on a book,
I can understand the intent to preserve interest in the contents of
the eventual book.  In that case, don't release diagrams in other
venues.  (I believe that John Montroll tests his diagrams in group
settings, but collects the diagrams at the end of the meeting so
that they don't get out to the general public).

There is not a lot of money to be made in origami diagram publishing.
(Ask just about any of the book writers.)  But the thrill of seeing
your model and name included in another's publication (book, conference
program, magazine, etc.) is incomparable.

There is very little that can be done to protect your work as your
own, even when it is published.  First, many discoveries are made
simultaneously in different areas by different people.  Secondly, by
making a small change to a model (an extra fold in, another fold left
out, etc.) anyone can claim a model design as their own.  (Not saying
they *should*, just that they can and sometimes *do*).

In my own unfortunate experience, I showed my (then undiagrammed)
Flapping Butterfly to a member of NOA at a FOCA convention.  Months
later, even though the model had by then been diagrammed and published,
it appeared in a Japanese book, as the work of the book's author.
Nothing that can be done about that.  Those who know me know the model
is mine.  Those who don''t...well, they still have the model.

Just my $.02.

|:^}

deg farrelly
1601 West Sunnyside Drive, #115       E-Mail:  deg@asu.edu
Phoenix, Arizona  85029               Phone:   602.943.8175





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Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 22:59:26 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Na. (NAKANISHI Ken-ichi)" <nakanish@pd.scei.sony.co.jp>
Subject: Origami Tanteidan Diagram Book 2/Image Files

Hello all,

I put images of finished models drawn in "Origami Tanteidan Diagram
Book Vol.2", which will be sold this weekend, on Tanteidan homepage:

        http://www.ask.or.jp/~origami/t/

"New" page has the direct link to the image page.  We're still
preparing the page of the contents of the book translated in
English, but you'll be enjoying the images just now.

I'm sorry but the page contains only thumbnails now.  I'll take
color photos for them at the convention held on this weekend to
add on the page.

--
nakanish@pd.scei.sony.co.jp (NAKANISHI Ken-ichi, not Kenichi Nakanishi)





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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 04:42:50 -0300 (ADT)
From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@empnet.com>
Subject: Spider problems

        Hello all - a couple of weeks ago I posted a note about my recent
acquisition of Nuyen's Origami book.  Though I've successfully completed
some of the models one in particular has given me a great deal of trouble;
the spider model.

        I seem to recall someone replying to my earlier post and saying the
spider was the first (and only) model in the book they had completed.  Will
this kind and magnificent human being once again make themselves known and
help me past step #8?

        Many thanks in advance!

Cheers,

Steve Woodmansee,
stevew@empnet.com





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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 08:29:41 -0300 (ADT)
From: Allen Parry <parry@eskimo.com>
Subject: dollar dragon to be taught at OUSA Convention

I am going to be teaching, at the OUSA convention, my latest and greatest
creation; my dollar bill dragon.  I am pretty excited about it!  Anyway,
I created a quick and dirty home page with a side and read view of the
dragon for your viewing pleasure, if you're so interested.

It can be found at:    http://www.eskimo.com/~parry/

Allen Parry
parry@eskimo.com





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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 12:27:00 -0300 (ADT)
From: cwalker@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us (Cindy Walker)
Subject: Re: tea bag origami

>A friend showed me a greetings card made by her friend in Holland. It
>included "flowers" produced by folding tea bag envelopes. Though not
>pure origani, since pieces were stuck together with glue :( it was none
>the less an attractive arrangement. Do any of our Dutch friend on the list
>have any further details? I understand there are a lot of books on he
>subject.

>Since this is slightly off topic please e-mail me direct.
>

Then forward your response to me. This sounds interesting.

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