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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 14:30:08 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kristine Tomlinson <ktomlinson@platinum.com>
Subject: Re: Emotions in Paper

    Hi,

    Recently, Pamela Graben asked about conveying emotions with models.  I
    try to do this for friends with gift models, or with models attached to
    gifts or cards.

    Animals seem to work especially well, and I try to select a model that
    reminds me of an animal story a friend told me, or maybe an animal
    unique to a country for a foreign co-op student.  Because they're
    animals *and* have a personal connection, you can get extra mileage out
    of the emotion evoked.

    The paper selection (especially color) is something I also try to
    connect to a personal experience.  So, a crow may be done in green
    paper if it will have meaning to the recipient.

    And, let's not overlook all those holiday-oriented models.  Hearts, and
    Santas, and so on.  I made a Honda turkey as a thank-you for a
    Thanksgiving dinner for a friend who likes birds.

    Taking a cue from this listserv, I visited used books stores and found
    Harbin's "Secrets of Origami".  In it was a nice origami face -- now
    there's something you could use to show emotion! :-)  Was it Eric
    Kenneway who did a whole book on origami faces?  Nixon was one that I
    remember seeing which should create an emotional response -- in the US
    at least! :-}

    Kristine





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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 15:05:03 -0300 (ADT)
From: Ignacio Perez <iperez@cdcnet.uniandes.edu.co>
Subject: Re: Emotions in paper

> Date:          Sun, 2 Jun 1996 22:02:42 -0300 (ADT)
> Reply-to:      origami-l@nstn.ca
> From:          "Lori S." <104613.670@CompuServe.COM>
> To:            Multiple recipients of list <origami-l@nstn.ca>
> Subject:       Emotions in paper

For the taironas people from the northern coast of Colombia (South America) it
was related to fertility!.

Bye,

Ignacio Perez
> Pamela Graben wrote about emotions on paper.
>
> Dear Pam,
>    What is the significance of the frog? I never heard of
> that one.
>    I have heard of the crab, lucky star, et cetera. I'll
> be glad to give you that info if you'd like it.
>    I love using origami to show these things!





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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 16:36:46 -0300 (ADT)
From: RA Kennedy <kennedra@isdugp.bham.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: origami card, letter folds

> I'm fairly sure there's a BOS booklet on letter folds too.  I can't
> give the details because unfortunately all of my origami books are in
> the wrong country at the moment.
>
I think you're referring to the ELFA (Envelope and Letter Folding Association)
booklet prepared by John Cunliffe, which can indeed be obtained from BOS
Supplies. If you contact me directly, I'll try to dig out my copy, and
provide further information.

Richard K.
(R.A.Kennedy@bham.ac.uk)





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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 16:41:53 -0300 (ADT)
From: casida@ere.umontreal.ca (Casida Mark)
Subject: Re: origami card

Hmmm.... Don't know if this counts as an answer, but instructions
for a nice envellope may be found in a recent edition of Origami USA's
newsletter ("The Paper").  I can well imagine writing a letter and
then folding the letter into an envellope and sending it.   Does this
qualify as an origami note card?

                           ... Mark

P.S. I once wrote a note to one of my Profs. and folded it into an
     origami envellope.  The result was that he came to me and asked
     me how to unfold it !!!

>
> >>  I received the neatest note card from a friend. It was
>     just a piece of paper that was folded so that it tucked
>     itself in and didn't require an evelope to be mailed. I
>     would like to send her back something similar. Is there
>     origami books available that have stationery projects
>     or self mailer projects?
>
>    I just saw this on a service.
>    I havve the same question! Where could I find a pic &/or
> directions of this kind of card?
> >>  I received the neatest note card from a friend. It was
>     just a piece of paper that was folded so that it tucked
>     itself in and didn't require an evelope to be mailed. I
>     would like to send her back something similar. Is there
>     origami books available that have stationery projects
>     or self mailer projects?
>    Thankyou so much.
>
>

--
*-------------------------------------------------------*
|          Mark E. Casida                               |
|          e-mail: casida@chimcn.umontreal.ca           |





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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 17:24:21 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: OrigamiUSA Web site/NET etc

<<The registered domain name is more of a marketing item than a necessity. >>

It's still a good idea - considering how cheap it is to reserve
one - to register a real domain name (rather than a virtual one).
I for one am hoping to see OUSA as an independent part of the
Net eventually, running their own hardware.

--valerie
Valerie Vann
75070.304@compuserve.com





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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 00:25:20 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Na. (NAKANISHI Ken-ichi)" <nakanish@pd.scei.sony.co.jp>
Subject: Re: Netiquette, Opinions and Threads

Hello,

In mail <199606022157.RAA21488@conch.aa.msen.com>
    yorick@conch.aa.msen.com writes:
> Nick Robinson <nick@homelink.demon.co.uk> writes:
> >Gretchen Klotz <gren@agora.rdrop.com> sez
> >
> >>I asked you PRIVATELY what the BOS policy on selling origami models was.
> >
> >Yes, but the reply seemed pertinent (on topic etc.) to the list, so I
> >made it public. As one of the few BOS council members on the list, I
> >tried to sum up our (not just my) unwritten policy. I didn't think there
> >was anything in it that ought to have been kept private?
>
> The judgement isn't yours to make.  Ask for permission first.

I agree.  One should ask for permission to post this list
especially because the messages are not closed here but open to
the world.

Not related to this list, but I was much surprised at my private
mail sent to my friend several years ago was found on WWW.  I
send the mail privately to him, then he posted it to the closed
mailing list, but the list is shown to the world later.  Recent
search engines are so powerful to find local sites.

I found two things in this case.  One is that we should always
mind the messages posted here are also open to the world because
all this list can also be scanned on some web sites.  The other
is that we shouldn't expect common netiquette to this list.
Imagine private chatting in front of a TV camera.

--
nakanish@pd.scei.sony.co.jp (NAKANISHI Ken-ichi, not Kenichi Nakanishi)





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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 00:35:39 -0300 (ADT)
From: DBSH47B@prodigy.com (MRS. JANET J HAMILTON)
Subject: Re: Netiquette and the Origam-l list

-- [ From: Janet Hamilton * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --

> 2.      The fact that a great deal of "non-Origami" information ends
up on
> this page is part of what makes it interesting to me.

Exactly: dinosaurs, Chinese detainees, DNA molecular structure, history,
copyright/patent law, ethics... I would hate to see these kind of
postings discouraged.

> 3.      Though I try to reply privately when it seems appropriate,
I'm
> always aware that on a public medium such as the net, there is a
great
> likelihood that my responses my be shared with more than the person
to
> whom they are addressed.

With the mail package I use, you cannot tell whether the message was
sent from the list or sent privately, without looking at the routing
information in the message header.  For things coming from the list, I
see the sender as the original person posting the message.  This means
it takes a little extra effort to determine whether to reply privately
or to the list.  With other mail packages it may be even more
difficult.

Janet Hamilton
dbsh47b@prodigy.com





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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 02:08:05 -0300 (ADT)
From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@empnet.com>
Subject: Re: Netiquette and the Origam-l list

At 01:02 PM 6/3/96 -0300, you wrote:
>
>There are only two kinds of off-topic posts that I complain
>about.  The first kind is spam (off-topic advertisements, the
>GOOD TIMES hoax, chain letters, pyramid schemes... things
>which are not welcome on *any* mailing list).  The second
>kind is flamewars.

I absolutely agree.  But the off-topic posts you mentioned above are not
natural diversions in conversation, they are intentionally distributed
*junk*.  The complaints I've been reading about in the last few days had to
do with people who happened to includ non-Origami topics in their otherwise
Origami related e-mails.
>
>I (rather harshly) pointed out to two people who were being
>rude in subjecting the entire list to their flamewar -- over
>netiquette, of all things -- that (a) they were both violating
>netiquette left and right, and (b) they should take their
>private conflict to private email.

I agree with you here too, especially your suggestion that they "take it
outside."

>I was harsh, yes, but you will notice also that we have not
>been treated to another round of the pot and kettle screaming
>senselessly at each other over which is blackest.
>
>  -- Steve Arlow

Agreed.  I think we both have the same idea.  The main reason I sent out my
admittedly windy post was because I believe there are probably a lot of
people who, reading those angry exchanges, would have been afraid to ever
contribute to the list.

Bottom line: I think we're on the same track.  Thanks for listening.

Steve Woodmansee , Bend Oregon
USA
(Stevew@empnet.com)





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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 02:53:59 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Wayland, Sharon" <SWayland@colonial.com.au>
Subject: Australian exhibition

Hi all,

Well we have had the exhibition and it was quite a success. We managed to
get over 50 names of people interested in pursuing origami. There were a
number of children as well as adults in the list. We even gave a seminar
(when I said we I really mean Steve Casey ;->).  On Saturday Steve showed a
number of folds to about 10 people. Our seminair started quite late and a
lot of people had already left, but it was good to see some enthusists hang
around for it. Steve will have to fill you in on how the Sunday one went as
I left before then.

I think the stand was very good for short notice we had. There was a number
of animals including some original creations from Steve. There were also a
number of modulars and geo-shapes made by both Steve and Gary Doben who
attended the stand for three of the four days.

So we plan to send follow up letters to see the level of interest and form
gathering and stuff. We are planning to produce a newsletter quarterly. So
if anyone wishes to contribute please let Steve or myself know and we'll
follow it up. At the moment we don't know what format we'll have. Most
likely on computer but there are a number of options avaliable so if you
would like something published here's your chance!!

Well this is probably long enough now.
Here's my email address:
SWayland@colonial.com.au

Sharon





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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:35:27 -0300 (ADT)
From: mandrk@pb.net
Subject: Re: Hats3

> Subject:       Re: Hats3

> About hats, Rachel Katz's son designed a great sun shade from copmputer
> paper.  Maybe she'll tell us where to find it again.  It is in some
> convention collection.   Dorigami

My recollection is , that my son, Geoffrey's visor was printed in a
OUSA newsletter a few years ago. I can dig up the issue if someone
wants it .             Rachel





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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 15:25:30 -0300 (ADT)
From: Nick Robinson <nick@homelink.demon.co.uk>
Subject: envelopes

Bruce Stephens <stephens@math.ruu.nl> sez

>I'm fairly sure there's a BOS booklet on letter folds

There are two - #21 "The Silver Rectangle" has some letter folds in, &
there's #25 "Envelope & letter folding". The latter was revised &
reprinted by ELFA & (I would imagine) is still available from them.

Has anyone seen Heinz Strobl's amazing envelope? A marvel of "A"
rectangle geometry. It was published in "Der Falter" recently.

cheers,

Nick Robinson
nick@homelink.demon.co.uk

***Origami is Sharing, not Selling***





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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:23:04 -0300 (ADT)
From: RA Kennedy <kennedra@isdugp.bham.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: envelopes

>
> Bruce Stephens <stephens@math.ruu.nl> sez
>
> >I'm fairly sure there's a BOS booklet on letter folds
>
> There are two - #21 "The Silver Rectangle" has some letter folds in, &

Believed to be out of print.

> there's #25 "Envelope & letter folding". The latter was revised &

I think this is still available (ELFA revised version). At least, I
bought a copy at a recent BOS convention.

> reprinted by ELFA & (I would imagine) is still available from them.
>
> Has anyone seen Heinz Strobl's amazing envelope? A marvel of "A"
> rectangle geometry. It was published in "Der Falter" recently.

I do wish that you would give traceable references - i.e. an issue
number, year, or similar..., rather than the vague 'recently'.

Richard K.
(R.A.Kennedy@bham.ac.uk)





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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:26:39 -0300 (ADT)
From: jdharris@post.cis.smu.edu (Jerry D. Harris)
Subject: Global Origami Publications

Nick Robinson recently penned:

>Has anyone seen Heinz Strobl's amazing envelope? A marvel of "A"
>rectangle geometry. It was published in "Der Falter" recently.

        I don't think I've heard of this publication...which brings me to a
question:  has anyone compiled a list of all regular origami-oriented
publications (specifically those which contain instructions for new
models), globally?  Such a list, if it included contact information, costs
of subscription (and, if applicable, costs of back issues), how often it's
put out, etc., etc., would be truly wonderful, and I'd love to see one (a
web page with links to appropriate pages might be even better)!  Does
anyone know of such a thing?

Jerry D. Harris                       (214) 768-2750
Dept. of Geological Sciences          FAX:  (214) 768-2701
Southern Methodist University         jdharris@post.smu.edu
Box 750395                            (CompuServe:  73132,3372)
Dallas  TX  75275-0395
USA

"This was my first word of the discovery, and it told of the identification
of early shells, bones of ganoids and placoderms, remnants of
labyrinthodonts and thecodonts, great mosasaur skull fragments, dinosaur
vertebrae and armor plates, pterodactyl teeth and wing bones, Archaeopteryx
debris, Miocene sharks' teeth, primitive bird skulls, and other bones of
archaic mammals such as paleotheres, Xiphodons, Eohippi, Oreodons, and
titanotheres...the hallowed stratum had lain in its present, dried, dead,
and inaccessible state for at least thirty million years."
          -- H.P. Lovecraft, _At the Mountains of Madness_ (1931)





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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 18:36:53 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kim Best <kb9727@tec.oz.cc.utah.edu>
Subject: Re: Netiquette, Opinions and Threads

On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, Na. (NAKANISHI Ken-ichi) wrote:

> In mail <199606022157.RAA21488@conch.aa.msen.com>
>     yorick@conch.aa.msen.com writes:
> > Nick Robinson <nick@homelink.demon.co.uk> writes:
> > >Gretchen Klotz <gren@agora.rdrop.com> sez
> > >
> > >>I asked you PRIVATELY what the BOS policy on selling origami models was.
> > >
> > >Yes, but the reply seemed pertinent (on topic etc.) to the list, so I
> > >made it public. As one of the few BOS council members on the list, I
> > >tried to sum up our (not just my) unwritten policy. I didn't think there
> > >was anything in it that ought to have been kept private?
> >
> > The judgement isn't yours to make.  Ask for permission first.
>
> I agree.  One should ask for permission to post this list
> especially because the messages are not closed here but open to
> the world.
>

What!?!?!  I'm I that only one who is totally confused here?  Why in the
world should Nick have to ask the permission of someone who requested
information, to provide that information publicly.  Even if the requestor
did ask for that information, in private.  The requestor does not own that
information, the BOS council does.  And since Nick is a member of that
council, it seems to me he has every right to publish that information.
Unless of course the other members of the counsel object.

Or is the objection, that Nick made public the identity of the requestor,
or that he quoted some part of the requestors, private e-mail to him.
Mind you, I'm not sure whether he did either, this whole thread has
become rather conviluted.  Even then, I don't see any damage done.  Has
any of this information in any way brought embarassement to the
requestor?  Correct me if I'm wrong, but it is my understanding, that if
you send unsolicited mail to anyone, the reciever has the right to use it
in anyway he see fit.  Of course if the letter contains personal
information, it would be good etiquette to ask permission to reproduce it.

I've perticipated in discussion groups, a whole lot rougher than this.
You have to develop somewhat of a thick skin, if you want to perticipate
on the internet at all.  But to get upset about a request for information,
seem to me to be the ultimate in thin skin.

Or maybe the contention is over something else entirely, and I missed it...

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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 18:46:17 -0300 (ADT)
From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@empnet.com>
Subject: P.D. Tuyen

        Over the weekend I obtained a new book, Classic Origami by P.D.
Tuyen.  Has anyone else worked with Tuyen's designs before?  I find them to
be quite interesting and not exactly like any other models I've seen.  Tuyen
is Vietnamese and offers an interesting background on his creations in the
foreword to the book.

        The models are somewhat simplistic in appearance, not so determined
to replicate each and every feature of the object.  And yet the sense of the
object is so beautifully conveyed!  All of the pieces I've tried thus far
were all made from a single piece of square paper; none of the models were
made of compound units.  Tuyen doesn't say whether or not this is a personal
standard or merely a coincidence.

        Tuyen's overall philosopy is stated in the foreword:

        "How does one judge a new Origami figure?  First, by how the
original and the Origami figure correspond in shape and proportion, and
second, by the number and distinctness of the folding steps necessary to
achieve the figure."

        I found several interesting 'new' bases used by Tuyen as well as a
number of alternative renditions of traditional Origami figures such as the
crane, elephant, horse, fish, and others.  The spider was my personal favorite.

        Hope this isn't old news.  I've only just discovered this book and
thought I'd share my impressions with everyone on the list.

Cheers!

Steve Woodmansee , Bend Oregon
USA
(Stevew@empnet.com)





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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 19:27:19 -0300 (ADT)
From: Alex Bateman <agb@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: P.D. Tuyen

Steve Woodmansee wrote:
>
>         Over the weekend I obtained a new book, Classic Origami by P.D.
     Tuyen.   The spider was my personal favorite.

Yes my favourite too! I haven't got the book, but I saw the spider at
the last BOS convention.

- Alex Bateman
- MRC Laboratory of Molecular Biology
- agb@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk
- Phone: (01223) 402479
- http://alf2.mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk:1500/origami.html





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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 22:04:24 -0300 (ADT)
From: terryh@lamg.com (Terry Hall)
Subject: Re: Global Origami Publications

>re your post:
 >has anyone compiled a list of all regular origami-oriented
>publications (specifically those which contain instructions for new
>models), globally?  Such a list, if it included contact information, costs
>of subscription (and, if applicable, costs of back issues), how often it's
>put out, etc., etc., would be truly wonderful, and I'd love to see one (a
>web page with links to appropriate pages might be even better)!

Hi Jerry,

This sounds like a great idea.

Terry Hall
terryh@lamg.com





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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 23:48:54 -0300 (ADT)
From: unhinged@yrkpa.kias.com
Subject: Golden Venture Web Page

I've begun my Golden Venture Web Page.  You can check out the first work
by linking to:

http://yrkpa.kias.com/~unhinged

And following the golden venture link, or directly at :

http://yrkpa.kias.com/~unhinged/golden.html

I've only put one photo on so far, but look for more in the near future,
as well as some more things from my own origami collection.

I'm attempting to catalog my origami books by photographing and scanning
covers.  Anyone with .GIF's or bitmaps of book covers, let me know and
I"ll incorporate them as thumbnails.

Rob





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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 10:57:58 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kristine Tomlinson <ktomlinson@platinum.com>
Subject: Re: P.D. Tuyen's book

    Hi,

    Steve Woodmansee wrote about P.D. Tuyen's book "Classic Origami".  I
    bought it a few weeks back as it had a section on the religious history
    of folding.  It wasn't clear to me if he was telling the history of
    Vietnamese folding or folding in general in Asia.  (If it was in
    general, did I sense some of those inaccuracies that get repeated from
    one book to the next?)

    Regarding his interesting bases -- I wondered if they are his own
    style, or part of the tradition of Vietnam he learned from his
    grandfather.  Anyone have any ideas?  Seen any other books by
    Vietnamese folders?  The book layout and emphasis on grouping bases
    with Roman numerals seems to be standard for the German origami books
    I've seen, but that part aside, they are interesting with lots of
    prefolding.  A whole different feeling than traditional Japanese
    models.

    And, yes, add me to the two other votes for his spider!  So far, it's
    the only model I've done from the book.  I love it!  It's visually
    quite wonderful and the *only* spider model I've been able to fold
    successfully on the first try. :-)  The folding process to get to the
    end result is a joy.

    Definitely worth the price of the book for just that model.

    Kristine
    ktomlinson@trinzic.com or @platinum.com





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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:36:32 -0300 (ADT)
From: Nick Robinson <nick@homelink.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Der Falter

"Jerry D. Harris" <jdharris@post.cis.smu.edu> sez

>>Has anyone seen Heinz Strobl's amazing envelope? A marvel of "A"
>>rectangle geometry. It was published in "Der Falter" recently.
>
>        I don't think I've heard of this publication

It's the magazine of Origami Deutschland & well worth subbing, even if
your German is minimal (like mine!). Check out the "other societies" at
Joseph's site....

cheers, (sorry, all the best)

Nick Robinson
nick@homelink.demon.co.uk

***Fold, don't Fight!***





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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 16:03:41 -0300 (ADT)
From: John Smith <jon.pure@paston.co.uk>
Subject: Alice Gray

While looking for something else I came across this superb letter by Alice
Gray published some 25 years ago. I hope I am not breaking any laws by
letting others share it. It seems to me one of the really great accounts of
Origami I have ever read. Sorry about the length but I hope you will agree
it is worth it.

Alice Gray's reply to a Japanese scholar and historian of paper folding who
wrote to the
Origami centre to inquire about the American philosophy of origami.
Published in 1971 in 'The Origaminian'.

The American Philosophy
of Origami

        "What is Origami? It is the art of making geometrical figures and the
likenesses of
natural and man-made objects by folding sheets of paper.
        'Why do people become paperfolders? The reasons are almost as many as
     the
folders. I suspect that most noncreative folders learn origami in order to
be able to teach it -
as an entertainment for children, as therapy for patients with physical or
mental handicaps,
as a means of cultivating dexterity, or as a demonstration of the principles
of geometry.
Others fold paper because they want to use the models they make - as
decorations for
holidays and parties or to make individual greeting cards and letter paper.
Lillian
Oppenheimer, who is not at all creative but is a very friendly person, likes
origami because it
is something she can share with so many different sorts of people, friends
and strangers,
young and old.
        "Creative folders, I think, are stirnulated by the challenge of the
     limited
medium.  A
satisfying  three-dimensional model made without cutting or pasting from a
single two-
dimensional sheet of paper is an accomplishment of which one may rightly be
proud. Some
creators are artists, expressing their  own  thoughts  and emotions in
paper. They work for
their own pleasure, and their models, though often simple, are difficult to
duplicate, as they
require the artist's acute perception of proportion for placement of
creases. Other creators,
more numerous than artists, are mathematicians or engineers. Their models
are likely to be
complicated but easy to duplicate, as they make use. of "landmarks" for the
placement of all
creases. Such folders, almost all men, delight in mechanical (ingenuity and
appreciate it
keenly in the work of other folders. In this country there are not more than
ten or twelve top-
ranking creative' folders, and they all know one another, at' least through
correspondence.
With them, origami becomes a game. when one has created something that
pleases him, he
sends copies to the others. Often, the models will be returned with
improvements, or
metamorphosed into  something  altogether different. The original creator is
not offended -
on the contrary, he is pleased to have been a source of inspiration to
others. But the best of
all models is one so "right" that nobody can improve upon it, and the
highest of all
compliments is the envious exclamation, "why didn't I think of that?"
        "In order to make their game more difficult, our creative folders have
adopted a set
of rules, never actually formulated but non-the-less known and observed by
all. They are
        1. A model made from one sheet of paper is better than an equally
successful model
of the same subject made from two or more sheets.
        2. If several sheets are used, it is better to lock them together in the
folding then to
paste them.
        3. A model without cuts is better  than  an  equally successful model of
the same'
subject in which cuts are used.
        4. Other things being equal, a model made from a square sheet of paper
     is
better
than one of tile same subject made from paper of any other shape.
        5. when the finished models 'are equally pleasing, a simple one is
     better
than a
complicated one.
        "We are much concerned with what we call "pure" origami. By that we mean
folding
that is done with awareness of the quality of paper as distinct from other
mediums of
sculpture or modelmaking and that wastes no effort. Every crease made should
serve a
purpose, and the finished model should be clean and crisp. Origami is an art
of straight lines
and plane surfaces. Nature uses curves and masses. Any origami model of a
natural object
is necessarily a character. It must capture the distinctive features of the
subject and express
them in the fewest possible straight lines. It follows that subjects with
pronounced  and easily
recognized peculiarities of structure - the elephant and the giraffe, for
example - lend
themselves to expression in origami and  are often represented, while less
clearly definable
creatures are rare or never attempted. It also follows that to be a suitable
subject for origami
an object must be so
familiar that it is recognisable and acceptable in very simplified form. As
origami, the sloth
and the armadillo, for instance, would awake no gleam or recognition in
people who had
never seen them in life. It is said that the human figure is the most
difficult of all subjects for
origami, but I think that is just because we are all so familiar with it
that we are very severe
critics of models representing it. We notice errors or omissions that would
not trouble us in a
model of a giraffe.
        "I am not sure I know what you mean by "origamiology" Are you asking
     whether we
believe it is possible to classify and  describe  all  the manipulations
used in paper folding
and reduce what is now an  art  or  craft  to  a mathematical science? To
some extent, it is.
Every really experienced folder builds up an ever-increasing repertory of
folding  procedures,
each producing predictable effects, and draws upon them when he wishes to'
use those
effects in new creations. The commonest of these manipulations have been
named already -
mountain and valley folds, squash, crimp, wing and petal folds and others
will be if enough
people become interested in communicating them. But to crystallise
accumulated experience
into maxims that will be true under all conditions and can serve as a guide
in creating new
models - that is altogether more difficult. I have given some thought to
this, and have been
able to think on only one such "rule."' 'You cannot make, a piece of paper
bigger. Therefore,
to make any part of a model proportionally bigger, you must make the other
parts smaller.
Just now I thought of another. "Divide a flat sheet of paper by a straight
fold in any direction,
and the two parts will lie flat, one upon the other. But use a curve fold,
and the sheet will be
warped. The two parts will stand at an angle to one another proportional to
the arc of the
curved fold, and cannot be pressed flat." All folders must develop insights
like this, but I don't
suppose many have troubled to express them in words. We all know for
instance, that paper
is not truly two-dimensional. We learn to allow for the thickness when
folding very. precisely.
But I know no teacher other than myself who points out this fact to pupils
at the beginning of
their folding experience.

John Smith
Norwich
England
e-mail  jon.pure@paston.co.uk





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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 16:09:42 -0300 (ADT)
From: Allen Parry <parry@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: Emotions in paper

On Mon, 3 Jun 1996, Pat Slider wrote:

> How about a dollar-bill snail for a slow waiter/waitress?
>

If you're serious, let me know,  I have a dollar-bill snail.

Allen Parry
parry@eskimo.com





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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 17:11:34 -0300 (ADT)
From: Nick Robinson <nick@homelink.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Sheffield BOS convention

As you may know, the Autumn BOS convention is in Sheffield this year on
the 14/15th September. Can I make a plea for anyone attending to let me
know if they would like to teach one or more designs? You can use your
own choices or I can supply diagrams. Alternatively, you might like to
run a "non-folding" discussion/theory workshop. Please let me know ASAP!

Any queries about booking etc, contact the venerable Penny Groom
(penny@sector.demon.co.uk)

If anyone is attending from abroad & has time to spare, let me know what
your non-Ori preferences (theatres, eating etc) are & I can point you to
the right places in Sheffield & district.

cheers, (sorry, all the best)

Nick Robinson
nick@homelink.demon.co.uk

***Fold, don't Fight!***





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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 00:26:52 -0300 (ADT)
From: fayeg@ix.netcom.com (Faye E. Goldman )
Subject: Re: Origami Animals (Lang)

in Reference to the Origami Animals book-
Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. SY) writes:

    This is the simplest Lang's book I have. It does not look like
    Lang's book (more Gross like) to me at my first glance: A lot of
    photos and colors.

I found a similar book - Paper Animals ISBN 1-85076-404-2 by Robert
Lang.  This one is softback, but other wise identical to the Origami
Animals version.  This is Apple Press while Origami Animals is Crescent
Books.  I am looking at them side-by-side and they look identical!  The
paperback was remaindered at Borders for 4.98- a great price!

--
 Faye E. Goldman     (FayeG@ix.netcom.com)





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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 01:44:19 -0300 (ADT)
From: slider@ims.mariposa.ca.us (Pat Slider)
Subject: Re: Emotions in paper

Well, I was serious (sort of). I almost left one as a tip once, and then
realized luckily that it might be taken the wrong way....

The snail model I know of is by Ted Bond in OUSA's "Making More With
Money". Are you talking about your own design or....? Always interested in
another dollar-bill fold. (I've a good friend who is a waitress, and she is
such an appreciate audience too :->.)

pat slider
slider@yosemite.net

>> How about a dollar-bill snail for a slow waiter/waitress?
>>
>
>If you're serious, let me know,  I have a dollar-bill snail.
>
>
>Allen Parry
>parry@eskimo.com





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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 17:51:36 -0300 (ADT)
From: Eric Andersen <ema@netspace.org>
Subject: origami books for preschoolers?

Hi everyone! I just got email from someone in Costa Rica who wants me to
recommend some simple origami books for his 4-year-old daughter. I checked
the archives but didn't find much...I haven't really been paying attention
to all of the new simple origami books out there. Anyone have any
recommendations for this age group?
Thanks!

-Eric  :-P

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 18:14:56 -0300 (ADT)
From: Paul Slater <P.Slater@swansea.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: origami books for preschoolers?

Yes, I can really recomend "Amazing Origami for Children" by Steve
and Megummi Biddle. Great fun for all ages!!

Paul.
___________________________________________________________________
> Date sent:      Thu, 6 Jun 1996 17:51:36 -0300 (ADT)
> Send reply to:  origami-l@nstn.ca
> From:           Eric Andersen <ema@netspace.org>
> To:             Multiple recipients of list <origami-l@nstn.ca>
> Subject:        origami books for preschoolers?

>
> Hi everyone! I just got email from someone in Costa Rica who wants me to
> recommend some simple origami books for his 4-year-old daughter. I checked
> the archives but didn't find much...I haven't really been paying attention
> to all of the new simple origami books out there. Anyone have any
> recommendations for this age group?
> Thanks!
>
> -Eric  :-P





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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 18:46:04 -0300 (ADT)
From: Pat Slider <slider@ims.mariposa.ca.us>
Subject: New US money....

While cleaning today I came across a info sheet on the new $100 bill (mailed
with a bank statement). It said "lower denominations will follow at 9 to 12
month intervals." Guess this means that there WILL be a new $1 in '98.
Unknown whether it will offset George's portrait in the same way as Ben's on
the $100.

By the way, one of the $100 bill characteristics is described as
"color-shifting ink". Apparently the black number in the lower right corner
looks green when viewed at an angle. Wonder if some clever designer could
work this into a new money fold....

pat slider





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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 19:18:09 -0300 (ADT)
From: Pat Slider <slider@ims.mariposa.ca.us>
Subject: Re: origami books for preschoolers?

"Amazing Origami for Children" by Steve and Megumi Biddle has a nice
selection of models including finger puppets and some action models. My
favorite model in here is a rolling, modular circle with a set of bowling pins.

For myself, my 4 and 6-year-olds really like to make paper airplanes--the
ultimate origami action model. I believe that these are a great way to begin
folding.

My six-year-old (just had a birthday!) recently created his own plane design
that flew well. It wasn't that far from the classic dart, but I was
impressed. If he keeps this up, he will be doing his own models before I
do...maybe he will teach them to me.

Anyway, his favorite paper airplane book is Nick Robinson's "Paper
Airplanes". This is a nice hardback with color pictures and standard origami
diagrams. I still see this getting remaindered in the Hamilton catalog
sometimes. (How many copies did the publisher print, Nick? Did they just
fail in marketing this one?)

pat slider
slider@yosemite.net

At 05:52 PM 6/6/96 -0300, you wrote:
>
>Hi everyone! I just got email from someone in Costa Rica who wants me to
>recommend some simple origami books for his 4-year-old daughter. I checked
>the archives but didn't find much...I haven't really been paying attention
>to all of the new simple origami books out there. Anyone have any
>recommendations for this age group?
>Thanks!
>
>-Eric  :-P
>
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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 21:06:59 -0300 (ADT)
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: Re-Oded

Greetings to you... Just read your introduction and it sounds like you design
interesting models.  Will add it to the intros I am saving and will soon
compile them.   What will you do when you get out of the army.  Dorigami





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Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 00:39:17 -0300 (ADT)
From: mandrk@pb.net
Subject: Re: Alice Gray

The letter written by Alice is in many ways a masterpiece but how
anyone can say that the person (LIllian Oppenheimer), who created The
Origami Center of America and influenced and encouraged so many other
creators of origami is "not creative", is beyond me. It was a
tactless remark. Also she claims to be the only teacher who tells her students,
     right at the
beginning, that paper is not really two dimensional and therefore
there is need to allow for the thickness is, in my mind, confusing
the beginner with technique before turning them on to the magic of
origami.

It is unfair of me to criticise someone who can no longer defend
herself but I have a feeling that as Alice saw the need to develop
and teach good simple folds, she would not have written the same
letter today.

Rachel Katz
Origami: it's not just for squares.





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Date: Fri, 07 Jun 1996 07:58:19 -0300 (ADT)
From: Stephen Blackman <s.blackman@cranfield.ac.UK>
Subject: Re: ORIGAMI-L digest 366

I was in London yesterday and had some time to browse the bookshops.

Foyles - Charing Cross Rd - had 2 copies of Brilliant Origami by David
Brill (now they only have one). They had a wide selection of simple
books.

The Japan Centre Bookstore - 115 Picadilly - had many simple books in
English and Japanese. They also had one copy of the original 'Origami
Dinosaours' by Kawahata (they still have it).

Mitsukoshi - Regent St. - no longer sell books.

The Mitsukoshi sales assistant gave me details for a bookshop called
Asahiya at the Yaohan Plaza on Edgeware Rd near Colindale Underground
Stn. Has anyone visited this bookstore recently. Is it worth looking for
intermediate/complex origami books here?

Stephen





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Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 13:20:09 -0300 (ADT)
From: Pat Slider <slider@ims.mariposa.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Japanese bookstores

>The Mitsukoshi sales assistant gave me details for a bookshop called
>Asahiya at the Yaohan Plaza on Edgeware Rd near Colindale Underground
>Stn. Has anyone visited this bookstore recently. Is it worth looking for
>intermediate/complex origami books here?

There is a chain of Japanese bookstores in the LA area called Asahiya. And
one in New York. They have a web page in Japanese even:

 (http://www.tomio.com/ASAHIYA/)

I wonder if these stores are related? All I know of these is that the LA
store carries Japanese comic books and animation-related items.

Also, for whoever collects such info, I came across another Japanese
bookstore in Beaverton, Oregon:

http://www.aracnet.com/~akonishi/anzen/

I emailed them last week to see if they carried ORU and origami titles, but
haven't gotten a response. Perhaps I shall try again. They advertize that
they can order any book or magazine. At least you can get cake there :->.
Anyone ever been here in person?

And perhaps one day Kinokuniya will have a web page? They just registered
the name kinokuniya in March! But maybe this will just be for their stores
in Japan. This site says that the English version of their page is "under
construction"....I'm starting to hate that phrase.

http://www.kinokuniya.co.jp/

I just looked again and it does seem to me that these pages have changed
significantly in the last week.

Hope springs eternal,

pat slider
slider@yosemite.net





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Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 13:30:21 -0300 (ADT)
From: Pat Slider <slider@ims.mariposa.ca.us>
Subject: "Origami in English"

Just found in one of the lower pages of the Kinokuniya site what looks like
a bestsellers list. It has a small table of English language titles....On it
was the title:

ORIGAMI IN ENGLISH, by Makoto Yamaguchi (Kodansha)

Anyone know anything about this?

The subpage was:

http://www.kinokuniya.co.jp/2F/2_7.htm

I think maybe I'll learn Japanese....It is either that or hanging out with
my single copy of ORU where all the tour buses stop on the way to the park :->.

pat slider
slider@yosemite.net





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Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 13:52:08 -0300 (ADT)
From: Sheila Davis <sew@hpfisew.fc.hp.com>
Subject: Re: Alice Gray

> The letter written by Alice is in many ways a masterpiece but how
> anyone can say that the person (LIllian Oppenheimer), who created The
> Origami Center of America and influenced and encouraged so many other
> creators of origami is "not creative", is beyond me. It was a
> tactless remark.

        Not really.  Not being creative in a certain context is neither
        degrading nor insulting.  Although I've folded for over 25 years,
        I'm not the least interested in creating new folds.  In that
        respect, I'm not creative when it comes to origami.  Now you
        might say I'm creative in adding my own personal touch to
        folds, and this is true, but that's not the type of "creative"
        I mean, and I don't think it was the type of creative Alice
        Gray meant.

        My take on the comment was that Lillian Oppenheimer, for all
        her wonderful work in spreading origami in the Western world
        (and no one is disputing that) was not into creating new models.
        Nothing wrong with that.

Regards,

  Sheila Davis        Hewlett-Packard IC Business Division
 sew@hpfisew.fc.hp.com          Fort Collins, Colorado





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Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 14:26:09 -0300 (ADT)
From: Pam & Namir <pgraben@umich.edu>
Subject: Alex's moved page

I know this is probably old news, but has anyone been able to get into
http://www.mrc-cpe.cam.ac.uk/cpe/jong/agb/origami.html ?        Just
checking to see if it is me or something!

!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-
!-!-!

Pamela Graben,         We and the world, see, we got
Namir Gharaibeh                this understanding!

          pgraben@umich.edu





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Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 17:04:43 -0300 (ADT)
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: Re: Alice Gray

"The letter written by Alice is in many ways a masterpiece but how
anyone can say that the person (LIllian Oppenheimer), who created The
Origami Center of America and influenced and encouraged so many other
creators of origami is "not creative", is beyond me. It was a
tactless remark."

I too wondered about this reference but I think what Alice was referring too
was that Lillian didn't invent too many models if any but failed to mention
that she was outstandingly creative idea wise about how to use, teach, sell,
and bring people together with Origami. I'm sure that that is what Alice
thought about Lillian. I always felt that Lillian was the catalyst that
joined the worldwide community of Origami together.  Alices letter was very
interesting and I was happy to read what she had said.  I'm wondering what
she would have written if she were living today.
she too was in her own way a catalyst, having been instrumental in getting us
into the museum of Nat. History and starting the tradition of the Origami
tree.  The Origami world has changed so much in recent years that I am agog.
 And the people involved are truly a unique bunch.  I always say that Origami
is like tofu, it takes on the characteristics of the participant. Long live
Origami and all those who love it. Dorigami





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Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 17:05:12 -0300 (ADT)
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: Re: origami books for preschoolers?3

Eric, Check out Florence Tempkos books.  She has many very simple folds in
some of her books that would be suited to preschoolers. Dorigami





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Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 18:12:39 -0300 (ADT)
From: rshuster@newtech.net (Bob Shuster)
Subject: pages moved *again*!!!

Yes, my pages have moved yet again - but this time the move is permanent
since I now own the domain name!

So, my origami page is now at:

http://www.thewebwerks.com/origami.html

The origami bibliography page is at:

http://www.thewebwerks.com/oribib.html

The origami hotlist is at:

http://www.thewebwerks.com/hotori.html

Please change all your bookmarks and pages please.  The referrals from the
old addresses will remain up indefinitely, btw. :)  Please feel free to
visit my non-origami homepage as well (yes, I have a life outside of the
folding arts! :)  It's at:

http://www.thewebwerks.com

(but I'll bet you could have figured that out for yourself, eh?)

 - Bob Shuster

   [ ------> The WebWerks!  -  custom graphics & site design <------ ]
   [      "Come into my parlor - said the spider to the fly..."      ]
   [      email: rshuster@newtech.net       phone: 215-927-4928      ]
   [               website: http://www.thewebwerks.com               ]
   [ *also*  MusikWerks:  http://www.thewebwerks.com/musikwerks.html ]





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Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 20:23:49 -0300 (ADT)
From: Oded Streigold <benjic@netvision.net.il>
Subject: RE: Re-Oded

   DORIGAMI@aol.com wrote:
 >
>   What will you do when you get out of the army.  Dorigami
>

 Hallo!

 I plan to learn computer science, maybe one day I will be a scientist.
 As for my start story: When I was a small kid, a sometimes tresure hunted
 trush hips in the streets. There I found a simple origami book:Origami 2
 by Atsuko Nakata. Then I bought other books that I could find in Israel,
 and I'm hooked ever since. I like origami very much; it helps me have a
     sence of identity: I belong to the paper-folding comunity and culture.
 If asked what I am, I'll say (If I wont be shy..) that I'm a paper-folder.

 Well.. Bye Dorigami!

 Oded.

 benjic@netvision.net.il





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Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 05:30:11 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jonathan Poh <jonath@pl.jaring.my>
Subject: Paul Jackson's books, again

Sorry to bring this up again, but I saw a copy of Paul Jackson's
Encyclopedia od Origami and Papercraft Techniques in a local bookstore
(Popular Book Company). The cover is purplish/maroon and is divided into a
grid of pictures including a beautiful lobster paper sculpture. The
paperback is published by Headline and is printed in Singapore with a
suggested retail price of 11 UK pounds. Unfortunately I did not have a pen
to write down the isbn no. but I remember there was a 7888 in the number.
Apparently it's one book in a series of other encyclopedias on art. There
were also encyclopedias of painting, drawing etc by different authors but by
the same publisher. I don't recall seeing the EoO&PT being edited by
somebody else. Has anybody else encountered this book and could tell me if
this is the original encyclopedia or the remaindered edition. Thanks.

 \   Jonathan Poh                                      Ipoh, Perak, MALAYSIA
(//) Email: mailto://jonath@pl.jaring.my
  \  Home Page: http://www.lookup.com/Homepages/67661/home.html
     NEW home Page: http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/3450/index.html





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Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 05:31:05 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jonathan Poh <jonath@pl.jaring.my>
Subject: Polyhedra from Fuse Units

A question for modular nuts on the list.

Can any of the units introduced by Fuse-san in her Unit Origami book be used
to make polyhedra other than octahedra, icosahedra, snub cubes,
rhombicuboctohedra and models consisting of squares and triangles only?
I tried a dodecahedron from her Open Frame units but they don't lock well
and broke apart. Others like the little turtle also can't hold a pentagon
strong enough. what about the polyhedra containing octagons etc?

 \   Jonathan Poh                                      Ipoh, Perak, MALAYSIA
(//) Email: mailto://jonath@pl.jaring.my
  \  Home Page: http://www.lookup.com/Homepages/67661/home.html
     NEW home Page: http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/3450/index.html





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Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 15:57:30 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: P.D. Tuyen's book

I rather liked Tuyen's book too; I mentioned it a year or so
ago here on the list, but the only folks who responded seemed
to think it somewhat trivial.

Personally, I liked the rather "geometric" "traditional"
origami look of his models, definitely a "folded-paper"
style, not paper trying to be something else, and the dozen
or so models I folded all came out near-perfect first time,
and looked great in mono or duo ordinary kami paper.

If I understood him correctly, this is what the title "Classic
Origami" is meant to imply. I also liked his hand-done
diagrams, and found it interesting that he's developed his
approach to origami coming out of a somewhat different
tradition.

Besides the spider, I thought the chickens, fish, swan, crocodile,
and dragonfly were fun, and found myself immediately tinkering
with them to make "improvements".

The main disappointment to me was the failure to diagram the pink
flower shown on page 8, but it was easy to figure out.
[Hint: Start with his Form X "Rose" Step 9, on page 76, unfold
back to Step 6 and make a minor modification, refold to 9)

--valerie
Valerie Vann
75070.304 @compuserve.com





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Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 16:35:47 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Alice Gray

<< how
> anyone can say that the person (LIllian Oppenheimer), who created The
> Origami Center of America and influenced and encouraged so many other
> creators of origami is "not creative", is beyond me. It was a
> tactless remark. >>

Alice Gray & Lillian Oppenheimer were personally close enough,
I believe, that no outside years after the fact could pass
judgement on whether what one said about the other was
"tactless" or not.

Alice Gray, known at OrigamiUSA (Formerly the Friends of the
Origami Center of America/FOCA) as "The Founding Mother of
Origami", was a close collaborator with Lillian Oppenheimer
in promoting origami in general and OUSA in particular. She
was on entomolgist at the American Museum of Natural History,
which is probably why the home offices of OUSA are at the
Museum. Alice Gray created the original holiday origami tree
at the Museum, edited The Origamian, the first official
publication of The Origami Center of America (now OUSA), and
a particular class of designs published in OUSA's big annual
model collections (models following a se





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Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 17:09:48 -0300 (ADT)
From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@empnet.com>
Subject: Thank You Thank You Thank You!

At 03:57 PM 6/8/96 -0300, you wrote:
>I rather liked Tuyen's book too; I mentioned it a year or so
>ago here on the list, but the only folks who responded seemed
>to think it somewhat trivial.
>
>Personally, I liked the rather "geometric" "traditional"
>origami look of his models, definitely a "folded-paper"
>style, not paper trying to be something else, and the dozen
>or so models I folded all came out near-perfect first time,
>and looked great in mono or duo ordinary kami paper.
>
>If I understood him correctly, this is what the title "Classic
>Origami" is meant to imply. I also liked his hand-done
>diagrams, and found it interesting that he's developed his
>approach to origami coming out of a somewhat different
>tradition.
>
>Besides the spider, I thought the chickens, fish, swan, crocodile,
>and dragonfly were fun, and found myself immediately tinkering
>with them to make "improvements".
>
>The main disappointment to me was the failure to diagram the pink
>flower shown on page 8, but it was easy to figure out.
>[Hint: Start with his Form X "Rose" Step 9, on page 76, unfold
>back to Step 6 and make a minor modification, refold to 9)
>
Thank you Valerie!!!  I had the same problem and haven't taken the time to
figure it out yet.  My flower comes out looking like a flat "thing."
(Can't even find a word for what it looks like, but it is definitely unnatural.)

As to the previously tepid response to Tuyen's book, that's hard to figure.
I think if anyone were to read his very interesting and lovely introduction
the models would be very easy to appreciate.

Cheers!
Cheers,

Steve Woodmansee,
stevew@empnet.com





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Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 23:13:54 -0300 (ADT)
From: Maumoy@aol.com
Subject: Asahiya Bookstores

I've been to the store in Arlington Hts, IL at the Yaohan Plaza.  Also
there's one in NYC on Vanderbilt St, west side of Grand Central Station
between 42nd and 43rd Sts.  I noticed its listing in the NYC Yellow Pages.
 Plan to stop in later this month.  Has anyone been there?

There are three branches in CA:  LA, San Diego, and San Gabriel.

Marcia Mau





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Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 15:54:46 -0300 (ADT)
From: Mark Morden <marmonk@eskimo.com>
Subject: Announcement: July meeting for Seattle's PAPER group

We will be getting together at the University Heights Community Center for
our July meeting.  The date is July 14, from 1:00 to 3:00. The room is 110.
This is the same building we were at for the June meeting.  If you need the
address it is 5031 University Way NE.  Planned activties include Allen's
report of his visit to the Annual Convention in NYC, a review of the
Kawasaki Rose II that we learned last meeting, learning a dollar bill dragon
that Allen designed, and another Fuse modular if time permits.  As always,
bring books, models, etc. that you would like to share or show off.  Also
bring friends along to join in with us.

Please RSVP if you will be able to attend next month.  Thanks

Mark

Mark Morden == marmonk@mail.eskimo.com
www.eskimo.com/~marmonk/index.htm
--------------------------------------------------------
I believe in Christianity as I belive in the rising sun;
not because I see it but by it I see all else.
                                           C.S. Lewis





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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 01:20:44 -0300 (ADT)
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: Re Mini Convention CO-OP

Just a reminder, our annual mini convention at the Monmouth Cty HdqtsLibrary
in Manalapan, N. J. will take place on Saturday, Sept .21 from 10 o'clock
till 4 oclock.  E.mail me for directions and confirmation although this is
not necessary.  Hope to see a lot of New Jerseyians, New Yorkers,  and other
nearby states....Dorigami
