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Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 09:29:51 -0300 (ADT)
From: "David M. Dewey" <dmdewey@yrkpa.kias.COM>
Subject: Re: Teaching handicapped children

Penny,

        I am not sure which models to build, but I would suggest that
you teach them to the helpers prior to attempting to teach the
youngsters. It will be tough enough with the kids without having to
teach the helpers at the same time. As far as things to teach, avoid
models with petal folds. Maybe in your 'train the helper' class you
could pre-fold enough prelim, bird etc bases to use as a starting point
in the class. 42 at one time - whew, I hope not. If it is, maybe you
could try to split the class into 2-3 sessions.

                              Dave Dewey

Penny Groom wrote:
>
> I have agreed to teach a club for handicapped youngsters next month,
> mostly downs syndrome, 42 of them and I am just beginning to panic.
>
> They will have about 6 helpers, probably none who have folded before. I
> know these kids will have a short attention span so what can I teach
> them that:
> a. They have a fighting chance of following
> b. Will be interesting for them
> c. The helpers will be able to help them with.
>
> I would usually do a box and jumping frog for starters to get them
> laughing so they can jump the frog into the box but I don't know if
> that, simple as it is , would be too hard.
>
> Any ideas from anyone with experience of teaching a similar large group
> would be most useful.

> Penny
> ------------------------------------------
> Penny Groom                :(  Membership Secretary
>                            :)  British Origami Society
> penny@sector.demon.co.uk
> Deputy Box Office Manager,Leicester Haymarket Theatre
> e-mail for our spring season productions
> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/htl
> -----------------------------------------

--

                     Dave Dewey
                     mailto:dmdewey@yrkpa.kias.com
                     http://yrkpa.kias.com/~dmdewey





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Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 09:46:45 -0300 (ADT)
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: 1st attempt models

Nick Robinson, quoting a third party now unknown to me:
+> How often does everyone complete a model on the first try that actually
+> looks presentable ?
+
+At risk of being contentious, I would suggest next to nobody, however
+experienced. paper is just too unforgiving.

At risk of being counter contentious ;-) ...

Sometimes I get a good first model "by accident" - a combination of good
diagrams and attitude.  My second and third models often end up being worse
because I tend to pay less attention to the diagrams, thinking that I "know"
what the next step is supposed to be.  The paper/model is merciless about
'reminding' me when I have made that kind of mistake.

As much as anyone, I like even my first attempt to turn out nice, and I want
to see clear diagrams that include recommended paper type/size and initial
paper and final model sizes.  Having said all of that, I never _expect_ my
first model to turn out to be anything but catapult ammunition. ;-)  This is
very true with Yoshizawa's models.  And anything very complex is going to have
to account for and fudge for paper thickness, which means you have to adjust
based on your own style as well as type of paper.  One of the reasons I don't
fold a lot of complex models is that making three or four of them to get one
nice looking one is very frustrating, so I really have to like the final
result.

ObConPlug:  One great thing about being taught a model is the ability to get
fudge factor info from someon who has already been there, and this massively
increases the chances of getting a nice model first time through.  And to be
taught by the creator!  Yow!

-Doug





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Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 10:41:00 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jeannine Mosely <j9@concentra.com>
Subject: Re: Teaching handicapped children

Penny Groom writes:

   I have agreed to teach a club for handicapped youngsters next month,
   mostly downs syndrome, 42 of them and I am just beginning to panic.

   They will have about 6 helpers, probably none who have folded before. I
   know these kids will have a short attention span so what can I teach
   them that:
   a. They have a fighting chance of following
   b. Will be interesting for them
   c. The helpers will be able to help them with.

   I would usually do a box and jumping frog for starters to get them
   laughing so they can jump the frog into the box but I don't know if
   that, simple as it is , would be too hard.

   Any ideas from anyone with experience of teaching a similar large group
   would be most useful.

While I have never taught a group like this, I have a couple of
suggestions.  All kids love to make simple hats out of newspapers.
Give them glue sticks and precut brightly colored shapes (stars,
hearts, etc.) to decorate them with.

There are several other traditional super simple models you could try:
the drinking cup, the house (turns into a piano), the swan.  There's a
clever 3 crease arrow design in one of Paul Jackson's books.  And
there are probably lots of other great pureland models you could use.

Good luck.  And be sure to let us know how it goes.

        -- Jeannine Mosely





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Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 10:58:03 -0300 (ADT)
From: casida@ere.umontreal.ca (Casida Mark)
Subject: Re: 1st attempt models

There is also another factor which enters into the relative success
of 1st and 2nd attempt models :  Sometimes the first completed version
of a model taints our perception of what the model should look like.
A particularly interesting example was the first rose I folded from
Origami for the Connoisseur.  I didn't have as much control over the
model as I do now, with the result that it was rather round and rather
soft looking (and wanted to spring open on the bottom).  But my wife
decided that that's what the rose should look like.  My new improved
crisper folds of the same model are certainly nicer from one point
of view, but for my wife they are much too stylized in comparison with
the original.  However now if I choose a strong but soft paper I get
something that pleases us both.

                        End of story!
                             ciao,
                               ... Mark
--
*-------------------------------------------------------*
|          Mark E. Casida                               |
|          e-mail: casida@chimcn.umontreal.ca           |





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Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 10:59:42 -0300 (ADT)
From: David Wilson <71062.1507@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Tomoko Fuse's polygon boxes

Doug:

I just worked out a useful approximation to the heptagonal box this weekend.
Looking on page 63 in "Origami Boxes",  if you omit step 7, and then on step 8
if you fold from the top point of the figure to the lower endpoint of the fold
shown in the diagram, you can get a good approximation (good enough for
everything to fit right).  I know it's off about a degree from the actual angle
required, but it fits.
don't know how you would construct the nonagon, but if you can construct a
pentagon, the decagon should be straightforward.
Let me know how this works out.

David Wilson





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Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 11:25:44 -0300 (ADT)
From: Ann McGrath <mcgrath@enter.net>
Subject: Re: Price of ORU

DLister891@aol.com wrote:
> I've noticed that, as well, and figured out that, in my case at least,
the window I have for writitng messages is about 2/3 of the screen wide,
whereas the messages I receive appear in a full wide window.

Then I noticed that there is a little ^ arrow at the top right of my
compose window, and when I clicked on it, it became a full width window.

Don't know if this applies to your software. YMMV

> I have to apologise one again for my inept laying out of my letters, and in
> particular for the layout of the prices of ORU I gave in my letter yesterday,
> which was so deformed as to make them incomprehensible. As far as I can see,
> the typing width on my E-mail program is wider than what is transmitted. It
> seems to apply to other people because the ends of their lines are often
> brought down as orphans to the following line, Why should this be?
> Ann A. McGrath        email: mcgrath@enter.net
Easton, PA      Origami enthusiast to assailant: I have a black
               belt in Origami, I'm going to fold you in half!





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Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 12:18:56 -0300 (ADT)
From: Sophie Balaven <Sophie.Balaven@inria.fr>
Subject: Re: Teaching handicapped children

Hi,

 I just suscribe this mailing-list yesterday.
I don't know much about origami but when I was
a child, I learn a nice story. Since I am french
you will have to forgive my mistakes and make
the story more enjoyable (I have a big lack
of vocabulary).

First you have to fold a boat. It is a very simple
boat that looks like this:

            /\
           /  \
          /    \
      --------------
      \            /
       \__________/

So you should first fold this boat with the children.
Then start the story.

On a big blue sea a boat was navigating. On this boat
were a Captain and his team. They all enjoy being on this
boat because the boat was so big, so beautiful, shining
under the sun.
But one night, a big storm starts. You know how rude
are the storms on the ocean!
The sea begin to "crumble", waves begin to be bigger and
bigger, the wind gets more and more violent.
(what's cool is to do noises, you can also ask the children
to help to do a lot of noise).
And suddenly, the sail beaks !

            /\
           /  \
       ----------------> cut here
          /    \
      --------------
      \            /
       \__________/

On the boat, now, everyone is afraid, they have never seen
such a big storm.
And it becomes worse and worse, it is raining, and there
is thunder and there are lightenings.

On the sea are floating some piece of wood, and the rear side
of the boat hurts one of these piece and get injured.

          ----
         /    \
      | /      \
    --|---------------
    \ |              /
     \|_____________/
      |
      V
     cut here

All the people from the boat are leaving the boat now. The
captain is the only one who want to stay on it.

After some minutes, it's the front side's turn.

          ----
         /    \
        /      \
      |-----------|----
      |           |   /
      |___________|__/
                  |
                  V
              cut here

The boat begin to sink, after some times it disapears totally.

But the next day, on a nice tiny beach someone founds (then
you unfold what is remaining from the boat) the captain's shirt !

Isn't it nice? Let me know what do you think of it.

   \|/ ____ \|/
   ~@-/ oO \-@~
   /_( \__/ )_\         Sophie
      \__U_/            Sophie.Balaven@inria.fr





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Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 12:29:45 -0300 (ADT)
From: Ann McGrath <mcgrath@enter.net>
Subject: Re: Teaching handicapped children

Penny Groom wrote:
>
> I have agreed to teach a club for handicapped youngsters next month,
> mostly downs syndrome, 42 of them and I am just beginning to panic.

I have taught Origami to a large group of summer camp kids, ranging from
6-12 years old, done Origami workshops for the library and provided an
hour, one day a week of Origami instruction to the afterschool program at
the YMCA.

My oldest daughter has Downs Syndrome, and from my experience with her
and her peers, there is a HUGE range in ability among Downs children of
the same age.

>From my experience with the summer camp and the library, if you can do a
20 minute review beforehand with your helpers, even 10 minutes, it helps
a lot. I showed them what folds I was going to do, did each one and
pointed out the most common problems, then if we had time, each of them
tried the folds.

Forgive me if I put too much patter in with my information, but I can
remember better if I pretend I actually have youngsters in front of me as
I type.

I always start with the paper cup.  Kids LOVE to make their own drinking
vessels, <g> even if it only works for one drink!  I use it to set up
definitions: this is a diagonal, this is folding the paper in half on the
diagonal, this is a valley fold, turn it over and it is a mountain fold.

The other models I usually use are:
the simplest box
the traditional house, (take the house with you and decorate it- draw the
windows and door, are there flowers growing in the windowboxes? draw in
the furniture and family inside, what are they doing? are they having
lunch? reading to each other? folding paper together? [the last always
gets a laugh]),
the talking fish or a simple fish from a diamond base
the bunny
the waterbomb

The most complicated model I try with them is John M. Nordquist's
flapping bird from p. 126 of Samuel Randlett's _The Art of Origami_,
copyright 1961, which may be out of print by now. mine was the 5th
printing, 1970. I did a verbal description of How to Fold a Flapping Bird
for a writing assignment.  If you wish, I'll get it on line and email it
to you. Since it starts with a waterbomb base, it follows well right
after doing the waterbomb. <g>

I have squares cut down from large computer paper, and make one of each
step in each model. It seemed like a lot to do, but I found it very
helpful to hold one up saying this is what you get when you take this
(hold up the previous one) and do this to it (give them the next step)
They are supposed to be kept in file folders, one model to a folder, but
they're not in my file drawer. <sigh> Wonder where they are this time.

You don't say how long you will have with your group.  Don't be
discouraged if it takes the entire time for them all to get a working
paper cup (or first model, whatever you choose). They will be excited to
have succeeded, and have something new to show to the other folks they
see every day.

> They will have about 6 helpers, probably none who have folded before. I
> know these kids will have a short attention span so what can I teach
> them that:
> a. They have a fighting chance of following
> b. Will be interesting for them
> c. The helpers will be able to help them with.
>
> I would usually do a box and jumping frog for starters to get them
> laughing so they can jump the frog into the box but I don't know if
> that, simple as it is , would be too hard.
>
> Any ideas from anyone with experience of teaching a similar large group
> would be most useful.

> penny@sector.demon.co.uk

Sorry to have rambled on so long. Hope you find something helpful here.

Ann A. McGrath  email: mcgrath@enter.net
Easton, PA USA  A fold a day keeps the doldrums away.





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Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 13:44:10 -0300 (ADT)
From: Alasdair Post-Quinn <acpquinn@panther.middlebury.edu>
Subject: Re: "German Bell"

On Wed, 22 May 1996, DEE LYNCH wrote:

> needed to get to their meeting, she couldn't tell me a whole lot. She
> indicated that it was 3D, a "bell" on the bottom, with points coming out.

Sounds familiar. Look in "The Magic of Origami" by Gray/Kasahara. I'm
pretty sure that model's in there. It's a bell and if you make a little
waterbomb and hang it from a string inside the bell, it'll have a clapper
too. Good as an xmas decoration.
-Alasdair
acpquinn@midd-unix.middlebury.edu





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Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 13:47:38 -0300 (ADT)
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: Re:COET

  attended COET 91.  How quickly time passes!!  I agree with Nick the book is
worth the price!
Happy Folding : )
Barbara

I too attended COET.......The book is indeed worth the money.  Especially for
teachers and for those involved in therapy.  Interesting of course to anyone
who reads it.  Dorigami





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Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 13:58:50 -0300 (ADT)
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: Re: "German Bell"

Dee....I think this German Bell is folded by folding each diagonal.  Then
folding on each diagonal as if to make a rabbits ear but don't make rabbits
ear.  Just leave the folds in.  Then bring the four corners of the square
together so that this makes a square.  This does not stay together by itself
and needs some glue. if that is the one I know.  Dorigami.  Let me know if it
works.  It is a very old model and you seldom see it in Origami
books....Perhaps V'ann Cornelius knows where this model is.  Dorigami





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Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 14:05:09 -0300 (ADT)
From: slider@ims.mariposa.ca.us (Pat Slider)
Subject: FAQs or (Re: no mail)

>don't forget those who post on numerous occassions
>-- fail to receive any responses either privately or publicly --
>then don't bother to contribute anymore
>because no one is listening
>(or so it seems)
>

I think this is indeed an issue....Especially, there is a tendency for the
"frequently asked questions" to slip by. Sad, as these are often the most
important questions....

The mailing list could use some more extensive FAQs, and really there is
quite a large quantity of information in the archives that could just be
organized. A wealth of hints and tidbits.

I've told myself that I would put the book review collection that I have
been working on  (since January?) in the archives this weekend -- even if I
haven't finished. (This declaration should make me put in some time on
editing in the next few days :->. I do need to bump this off my mental
queue.)

But going through the archives has sparked some other ideas for FAQs. The
one that really needs a volunteer is a Paper FAQ. A collection of
definitiions, sources, cutting, and wetfolding perhaps?  The material has
all been posted before methinks...so it would just require some editing
hours.

And perhaps a FAQ on creating your own models? And how about a history FAQ?
Although some of David Lister's recent postings (essays), are truly FAQs in
themselves.

Time for another cup of coffee....

pat slider
slider@yosemite.net





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Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 14:22:00 -0300 (ADT)
From: LFHBMS@aol.com
Subject: Re: "German Bell"

The German Bell is a simple yet elegant model.  A square is folded at both
diagonals.  Each corner is then folded into that crease and unfolded ( ice
cream cone, necktie).  You have ten crease lines .  There are no new creases
.  You fold in the  four vee shapes on each side as you bring the four points
to the center.  Hope this helps          Laura





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Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 14:43:04 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kristine Tomlinson <ktomlinson@platinum.com>
Subject: Haiku Origami References

    Hi,

    I came across these two haiku that I thought you might enjoy.  One is
    suggestive (in true haiku fashion) of the folded ocho and mecho
    butterflies used at weddings; the other seems to refer to an origami
    pinwheel.

    Kristine
    ktomlinson@trinzic.com

    They have the guise
      of being married just today--
        these two butterflies.

    by Ryota (1718-87)

    The locust-shrill:
      precisely a red paper
        toy windmill!

    by Issa (1762-1826)

    From: An Introduction to Haiku trans. by Harold E. Henderson, Garden
    City: Doubleday, 1958.





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Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 16:45:58 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: FAQs or (Re: no mail)

Pat slider writes:
<< there is
quite a large quantity of information in the archives that could just be
organized>>

Pat, I assume you mean buried in the list message traffic?
The archives themselves are very organized.

--valerie
Valerie Vann
75070.304@compuserve.com





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Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 17:29:19 -0300 (ADT)
From: slider@ims.mariposa.ca.us (Pat Slider)
Subject: Re: FAQs or (Re: no mail)

>Pat slider writes:
><< there is
>quite a large quantity of information in the archives that could just be
>organized>>
>
>Pat, I assume you mean buried in the list message traffic?
>The archives themselves are very organized.
>

Yes, this is what I mean. In all that accumulated email. And I agree, the
archives themselves are very well organized. And the email itself is even
searchable thanks to Alex Bateman's site.

pat slider
slider@yosemite.net





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Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 18:21:56 -0300 (ADT)
From: Nick Robinson <nick@homelink.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: 1st attempt models

Steve Arlow <yorick@conch.aa.msen.com> sez

>out of 6" foil, no less,
>since it was alll I had handy at the time -- came out almost
>perfect.

I would suggest (without trying to annoy anyone!) that foil is in some
ways less demanding than paper (entirely depending on the type of folds,
of course) & that insect legs (for instance) could be "bodged" flat, not
that I'm suggeting you resorted to that!

I suppose it depends on the complexity & requirements for unfolding
throughout the design. It's hard to reach step 78 & have to open out to
a square without adding a few over-stressed areas!

However, show me the folder that can make a perfect Jackstone or Brill's
Horse first time around & I'll buy them a pint!

cheers,

Nick Robinson
nick@homelink.demon.co.uk

***The COET mountain - have you bought *your* lump?***

Turnpike evaluation. For information, see http://www.turnpike.com/





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Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 19:02:45 -0300 (ADT)
From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@empnet.com>
Subject: Re: Teaching handicapped children

At 12:18 PM 5/23/96 -0300, you wrote:

Dear Sophie:

I thought your story was lovely, but I expect you will get a lot of mail
about the use of scissors.  All the same, I loved the story and can't wait
to share it with my children when they get home from school.

Merci Beaucoup!  (Now you will have to forgive my mistakes!)

>Hi,
>
> I just suscribe this mailing-list yesterday.
>I don't know much about origami but when I was
>a child, I learn a nice story. Since I am french
>you will have to forgive my mistakes and make
>the story more enjoyable (I have a big lack
>of vocabulary).
>
>First you have to fold a boat. It is a very simple
>boat that looks like this:
>
>
>            /\
>           /  \
>          /    \
>      --------------
>      \            /
>       \__________/
>
>So you should first fold this boat with the children.
>Then start the story.
>
>On a big blue sea a boat was navigating. On this boat
>were a Captain and his team. They all enjoy being on this
>boat because the boat was so big, so beautiful, shining
>under the sun.
>But one night, a big storm starts. You know how rude
>are the storms on the ocean!
>The sea begin to "crumble", waves begin to be bigger and
>bigger, the wind gets more and more violent.
>(what's cool is to do noises, you can also ask the children
>to help to do a lot of noise).
>And suddenly, the sail beaks !
>
>            /\
>           /  \
>       ----------------> cut here
>          /    \
>      --------------
>      \            /
>       \__________/
>
>On the boat, now, everyone is afraid, they have never seen
>such a big storm.
>And it becomes worse and worse, it is raining, and there
>is thunder and there are lightenings.
>
>On the sea are floating some piece of wood, and the rear side
>of the boat hurts one of these piece and get injured.
>
>
>          ----
>         /    \
>      | /      \
>    --|---------------
>    \ |              /
>     \|_____________/
>      |
>      V
>     cut here
>
>All the people from the boat are leaving the boat now. The
>captain is the only one who want to stay on it.
>
>After some minutes, it's the front side's turn.
>
>          ----
>         /    \
>        /      \
>      |-----------|----
>      |           |   /
>      |___________|__/
>                  |
>                  V
>              cut here
>
>
>The boat begin to sink, after some times it disapears totally.
>
>But the next day, on a nice tiny beach someone founds (then
>you unfold what is remaining from the boat) the captain's shirt !
>
>Isn't it nice? Let me know what do you think of it.
>
>
>   \|/ ____ \|/
>   ~@-/ oO \-@~
>   /_( \__/ )_\                Sophie
>      \__U_/                  Sophie.Balaven@inria.fr
>
>
>

Steve Woodmansee , Bend Oregon
USA
(Stevew@empnet.com)





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Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 19:46:07 -0300 (ADT)
From: Alex Bateman <agb@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: 1st attempt models

Nick Robinson wrote:
> However, show me the folder that can make a perfect Jackstone or Brill's
> Horse first time around & I'll buy them a pint!

Cheers Nick,
            That'll be a pint of bitter then! Brian Cole taught me the
Jackstone. It was fine the first time. Does that that count?

Alex

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- MRC Laboratory of Molecular Biology
- agb@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk
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Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 21:27:39 -0300 (ADT)
From: James_Sakoda@Brown.edu (James Minoru Sakoda)
Subject: Re: Japanese payment

I have found that the best way to send subscription to NOA magazine in
Japan is to send US postal money order.  Japan is one of the country from
which American postal money order can be sent directly.  The cost is about
3 or 4 dollars.  You calculate the amount of dollars corresponding to the
amount of yen you want to send by checking the newspaper or a bank.  You
order the international money order and pay for it in dollars.  Then send
the money order to Japan.  NOA now indicates this as the desirable method
of payment and I have done it successfully a few times now.  Check with
your local post office and if it is not aware of this possibility have it
look up the regulation and order the necessary money order.  If necessary
try another post office, since I can assure you that it is possible from
the US and several other countries.  James M. Sakoda.





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Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 23:20:52 -0300 (ADT)
From: DBSH47B@prodigy.com (MRS. JANET J HAMILTON)
Subject: Re: Teaching handicapped children

-- [ From: Janet Hamilton * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --

>  I just suscribe this mailing-list yesterday. I don't know much about
> origami but when I was a child, I learn a nice story. Since I am
french
> you will have to forgive my mistakes and make the story more
enjoyable (I
> have a big lack of vocabulary).

I had heard this story done a little differently.  It was about a
spoiled shild who was never happy with his own toys, but wanted
everyone elses.  The story uses each stage in folding the boat from a
newspaper. At points you have a fireman's hat, a Peter Pan hat, a
pirate hat, etc. that other children are playing with and the spoiled
child grabs away.  At the end, he grabs the toy boat, imagines a storm
where the sail, bow, and stern are ripped off.  The story ends that all
that was found of the spoiled shild was his undershirt.  When I was a
teenager babysitting for neighborhood kids, this was always a great
story for entertainment.  And there would be surprisingly little
sibling fighting for a while afterwards.

Janet Hamilton
dbsh47b@prodigy.com





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Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 23:25:06 -0300 (ADT)
From: DBSH47B@prodigy.com (MRS. JANET J HAMILTON)
Subject: Re: "German Bell"

-- [ From: Janet Hamilton * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --

> She indicated that it was 3D, a "bell"
> on the bottom, with points coming out.
> Does this sound familiar to anyone?

This "rang a bell" to me.  I have a book called Christmas Origami-1
Tree Ornaments.  I think it had come as part of a gift set from the
Lillian Vernon catalog years back.  No author, no ISBN, the publisher
is froebel-kan co. ltd., Toyko.  I'll try to describe it:

Start with a preliminary base, color side out, closed point on the
bottom.

Valley fold the folded edges (not the raw edges) to the center line.
Repeat behind.  You will have a kite shape with the elongated part on
the bottom.

Valley fold the top diagonal raw edges to the center line.  Repeat
behind.  You now have a diamond shape.

Unfold one of the top flaps and open it out, squash folding on the
valley crease made in the last step.  Then fold the outside part of the
squash around behind the inside part.  Repeat on all four top flaps.

Now you should have a model with four white points on the top.  You can
fold these points down or curl them around a pencil, while opening up
the model (stick a finger inside to help).

I know these aren't the best instructions.  If you get hung up, let me
know and I will try to explain a little better.

Janet Hamilton
dbsh47b@prodigy.com





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Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 11:12:50 -0300 (ADT)
From: Brett <BrettAndJill@OIA.Net>
Subject: Re: There is a Japanese Dictionary On-Line

At 09:07 AM 5/24/96 -0500, you wrote:
>
>This might have already been listed before
>
>At the site<A HREF="http://www.wg.omron.co.jp/cgi-bin/j-e/">
>http://www.wg.omron.co.jp/cgi-bin/j-e/</A>  There are links to a dictionary,
>wher, you can enter either English or Japanese text and it will give you the
>Japanese or English equivalent..
>
>You should try it out.  Once again the site is
>http://www.wg.omron.co.jp/cgi-bin/j-e/
>
>-Chris Miller
> (ORIGAMICMM@AOL.COM)

Here's also an aside for MICROSOFT INTERNET EXPLORER USERS ONLY.  There is a
japanese character set available at the Microsoft web site.  This set will
will let you view html in Japanese.

Brett
BrettAndJill@OIA.Net





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Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 13:02:41 -0300 (ADT)
From: Alex Bateman <agb@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Aardvark diagrams

Hello all,
          I have just added diagrams for my Aardvark to my web page. I
have tried to get a compromise between size and clarity. However if
nobody can follow them I can make them larger. Let me know how you get
on.

Bye for now
Alex

--
- Alex Bateman
- MRC Laboratory of Molecular Biology
- agb@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk
- Phone: (01223) 402479
- http://alf2.mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk:1500/origami.html





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Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 10:27:22 -0300 (ADT)
From: OrigamiCMM@aol.com
Subject: There is a Japanese Dictionary On-Line

This might have already been listed before

At the site<A HREF="http://www.wg.omron.co.jp/cgi-bin/j-e/">
http://www.wg.omron.co.jp/cgi-bin/j-e/</A>  There are links to a dictionary,
wher, you can enter either English or Japanese text and it will give you the
Japanese or English equivalent..

You should try it out.  Once again the site is
http://www.wg.omron.co.jp/cgi-bin/j-e/

-Chris Miller
 (ORIGAMICMM@AOL.COM)





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Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 13:52:29 -0300 (ADT)
From: "BOB T. LYNCH" <blynch@du.edu>
Subject: first time!

Nick -

So funny that you should use the Jackstone as an example of not getting
something on the first time - it took me nearly 15 years to figure that one
out - and THEN it was my NON-FOLDING husband that figured it out for me!!!

It is a great model though, and after 15 years of trying to figure it out, I
memorized it!!!

Dee





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Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 13:58:02 -0300 (ADT)
From: "BOB T. LYNCH" <blynch@du.edu>
Subject: Shirt story

The first time I saw the shirt story - the kids started yelling at me while
they were watching Lamb Chops Play Along... "MOM! Shari is doing mommagami!!"
Shari tells the story about a little boy being bored and his mother folds the
various boats and hats for him, finally winding up with a t-shirt..

Dee





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Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 14:23:26 -0300 (ADT)
From: "BOB T. LYNCH" <blynch@du.edu>
Subject: Mr. Rogers Neighborhood

Hi all -

I recently saw an episode of Mr. Rogers Neighborhood (I have a 5 year old and
a 4 year old) and they started shouting at me. There was a lady doing origami!
I, unfortunately, didn't catch her name. She did several things, and I think
she did a "pop-up star" and called it a paint palette. Anyone know the
whos and whats of this?

Dee





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Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 16:43:45 -0300 (ADT)
From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@empnet.com>
Subject: Origami on the silver screen

Hi all -

Well it wasn't really the *big* silver screen it was the little silver
screen, the t.v.  The other night the Origami crane appeared in a seque for
Home Improvement.

This may be old news to some of you since the episode was a repeat, but it
sure grabbed my attention.  Hands rapidly folded black paper with white fold
lines into a crane, which flapped away on its own.  Who would have suspected
such sophistication from the Tool Man!?!

Steve Woodmansee , Bend Oregon
USA
(Stevew@empnet.com)





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Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 18:11:33 -0300 (ADT)
From: slider@ims.mariposa.ca.us (Pat Slider)
Subject: "The Complete Origami Collection"?

going through the archives, I came across this blurb from amazon.com....

> "The Complete Origami Collection"
> Toshie Takahama
> List: $17.00 -- Amazon.com Price: $15.30 -- You Save: $1.70 (10%)
> Publisher: JAPAN PUBNS
> Binding: Paperback
> Expected publication date: January 1996
> ISBN: 0870409603

Did this book ever come out? Don't think I ever saw it.

pat slider
slider@yosemite.net





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Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 07:30:58 -0300 (ADT)
From: "C:WINSOCKKA9QSPOOLMAIL" <nick@homelink.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: 1st attempt models

In article: <31A4EA1E.41C6@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk> agb@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk writes:
>  That'll be a pint of bitter then! Brian Cole taught me the
> Jackstone. It was fine the first time. Does that that count?
>

Fine won't do, it must be *perfect* ;)

I'll get you a pint anyway.

The bos site is readyish - http://nw.demon.co.uk/rpmrecords/bos

Could you check it? The address will change in a week when forwarding comes
in.

cheers!

Nick Robinson

nick@homelink.demon.co.uk





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Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 07:34:59 -0300 (ADT)
From: "C:WINSOCKKA9QSPOOLMAIL" <nick@homelink.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: FAQs or (Re: no mail)

In article: <v01530502adca3e45a886@[205.139.79.10]>
slider@ims.mariposa.ca.us writes:

> one that really needs a volunteer is a Paper FAQ. A collection of
> definitiions, sources, cutting, and wetfolding perhaps?  The material has
> all been posted before methinks...so it would just require some editing
> hours.

Ther's a faq in the origami newsgroup, which I'm sticking with in an attempt
to reduce the spam content ;)  I agree though, we should have several
available. If anyone wants to write/start one, I can release/complete it on
the BOS home page, with the proviso that I may amend it slightly.

cheers!

Nick Robinson

nick@homelink.demon.co.uk





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Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 09:57:53 -0300 (ADT)
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: Re: Teaching handicapped children

Penny Groom is asking for help in teaching handicapped children mostly downs
syndrome.
I have had two such experinces.  One was a group of handicapped women, many
of whom had Downs Syndrome.  When I first started the program, I heard many
of them whispering "this is kid stuff" and became very nervous.   However I
plowed right ahead.  I did simple things, like a like a small wallet to keep
their change in and give members of their family for gifts.  I did the
butterfly, (pretty to hang in their windows) which has two squares, a larger
one and a smaller one, (wings) pleated along the diagonal, and joined
together by a pipe cleaner. I first diagrammed this in my book Paperfolding
Plus, and later it was in one of  Florence Tempkos book and then in Rachel
Katzes teaching book.   We did a simple paper cup too.  Not the one where the
two corners of a triangle are folded over each other.  We just fold a square
in half and in half again, put one flap down on one side and three flaps on
the other.  .  I  can't remember the other models but I stayed to simple
decorative or useful models and by the end of the program they were very
pleased.  I learned a lesson that day, that amongst every group there are
some that are more gifted than others and learn more quickly and this was
true that day as well.  With those who couldn't do it so well I and my
helpers just helped them finish each model so that they would have some thing
to take home and they were very pleased.  Got a very nice letter from the
people who had brought them telling me that they really enjoyed it very much.
 I got a great deal of satisfaction from this.  The other time was in a
school in Northern New Jersey for special children and again many were Downs
Syndrome.  My daughter went with me and together we taught many classes
during the day.  She with one group and I in another.  The kids were bussed
in from other school.  It was not a very easy day, but we both ended up
getting tremendous satisfaction from our work and were really surprized at
how well they did especially the more gifted amongst them. Dorigami





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Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 09:58:47 -0300 (ADT)
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: Re: didn't know it was me

Hi Rachel.....Just read your message thanks so much...was wondering if you
had gotten my last message....Isn't this computer a living miracle....can you
believe how much origami Info is coming over in this newsgroup.  I have been
learning so much about the goings on of the origami world.  And many of these
people are so interesting.  I can't seem to get the WWW working right yet but
hope to soon.  There's a lot of great stuff there.  Looking forward to seeing
you at the convention too.  With affecton Dorigami.  I hope this goes only to
you and not to the whole group.  Let me know. I'm never sure about this.
Dorigami.





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Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 09:58:58 -0300 (ADT)
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: Re: Hints and Tips for Diagramming

Thanks to all who replied about ideas and hints for diagramming.  I can with
great difficulty doing diagramming by hand but since I am not all an artist
it is excruciating for me to make the 3-d parts of them.  This is what has
held me back from doing another book all of these years although I have saved
up some very good material for same.  I really bought this computer to do
computer diagramming but never learned how to do that either.  I just didn't
have anyone around to teach me.  Everyonce in a while I invent something
pretty decent but diagramming always holds me back from publishing in other
publications even.  So any hints and tips that all of you can share will be
very much appreciated.  Thanks for those already sent and there are probably
others who are enjoying them too. Dorigami





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Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 09:58:37 -0300 (ADT)
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: Re: review: Quarterly ORU diagrams #3

Rob Moes writes that the Oru is very sophisticated.  Only tonite my daughter
and I had a debate on the meaning of the word sophistication.  We looked it
up in the dictionery and part of the meaning had a very negative connotation.
 Of course my dictionery is a very old Brittannica and the meaning may have
changed.  I said I thought it meant very slick, well done , and up to date.
 She thought very differently.  Anybody got any ideas?  Dorigami





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Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 09:58:24 -0300 (ADT)
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: Re: origami around the world! 3

Eric...How do you know where the mail is coming from if it isn't in the





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Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 15:28:20 -0300 (ADT)
From: Eric Andersen <Eric_Andersen@brown.edu>
Subject: Re: origami around the world! 3

At 09:58 AM 5/25/96 -0300, you wrote:
>Eric...How do you know where the mail is coming from if it isn't in the
>Sender slot.  Dorigami
>

Dorigami,

Usually I can tell from the email address itself. If the domain name (i.e.,
the part of the email address after the @ symbol) ends in .fr or .is, then I
know the email came from France or Iceland, respectively. There are country
codes for many countries around the world. Also, many of them tell me what
country they're from!

-Eric  :-P

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
      A                   A
     /|\            \    /|\
    / | \            \\ / | \ /7\            /-\.
   /__|__\            \/__|__\/            a miniature
   \  |  /             \_/ \_/               Kawahata
    \ | /             Flapping                stegosaurus
     \|/                bird
      V                       Eric Andersen   origami@brown.edu
  Bird Base             http://www.netspace.org/~ema/origami.html
 Origami Fantasy Page: netspace.org/~ema/origami/fantasy/fantasy.html





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Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 16:12:57 -0300 (ADT)
From: rmoes@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu (Rob Moes)
Subject: *sophisticated* origami

Well, I looked it up in my Funk & Wagnalls and found three definitions.
Take your pick.

1.  Having refined tastes; worldly-wise; cultured.  (A hydrangea blossom,
or a sea urchin)

2.  Appealing to the intellect.  (A nail-clipper or a toy with spring
action that throws a ball)

3.  Very complicated in design, capabilities, etc.  (An ornate dragon of
132 steps total, or a moth of 170 steps)

--Rob Moes





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Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 17:02:38 -0300 (ADT)
From: Mark Morden <marmonk@eskimo.com>
Subject: Announcement:Seattle PAPER meeting

The next gathering of the Seattle area's new folding group PAPER (Puget Area
Paperfolding Enthusiasts Roundtable) is Sunday, June 2.  We will meet from
1:30 to 3:30 at the University Heights Community Center, 5031 University Way
NE.  This is the old yellow grammer school that was closed a few years ago.
It is a few blocks north of the main drag of "the AVE" by UW.

Among planned activies are learning the Kawasaki Rose II, a Fuse crane
modular, and $bill folds.  If you are in the area or plan to be in the area,
please come and join us.  All are welcome.  If you need more information,
you may e-mail me at the address below.

Thanks

Mark

Mark Morden == marmonk@mail.eskimo.com
www.eskimo.com/~marmonk/index.htm
--------------------------------------------------------
I believe in Christianity as I belive in the rising sun;
not because I see it but by it I see all else.
                                           C.S. Lewis





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Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 19:50:26 -0300 (ADT)
From: Alex Bateman <agb@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Oriindex on the Web

Hello folks,
            I have just included a keyword search of the Oriindex on my
WWW page.  If you want to find the 125 different models by Adolfo
Cerceda or where you can get instructions for a giraffe, this is the
page for you.

http://alf2.mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk:1500/origami.html

This searches the Oriindex V'ann Cornelius' database of book and models
for keywords. For those who don't have web access a similar service is
provided by Maarten van Gelder for e-mail requests.

> Maarten has the model index on his system and he has
> written a utility that will answer e-mail requests.
>
> The address is:  Origami@ftp.rug.nl
>
> the message need
> only say........   oriindex [key] [key2...]
>
> This will cause all models with [key] [key2...] to be mailed
> .to your address.

--
- Alex Bateman
- MRC Laboratory of Molecular Biology
- agb@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk
- Phone: (01223) 402479
- http://alf2.mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk:1500/origami.html





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Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 21:19:10 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Hints and Tips for Diagramming

D'Origami writes:
<<since I am not all an artist
it is excruciating for me to make the 3-d parts of them
.I really bought this computer to do
computer diagramming but never learned how to do that either.
>>

Have you ever considered taking a basic course in pencil
drawing? Such courses are often offered by one's local
adult education facility, community college, even high
schools, or sometimes by non-profit experimental learning
solid objects, curved and otherwise, and how to get your
brain to make the necessary eye-hand connection. It really
isn't anywhere near as tough as it sounds, given an
experienced teacher. (I had one once who presented us with
an seemingly endless succession of Greek "Pots" from the
local anthropology museum. At first they all looked alike,
but by the end of the class, just about everyone's drawings
were good enough at the subtle differences in the curves
that you could tell one pot from the other, just by the
shape!)

While I use a CAD(computer aided drafting) program to do
the computer version of my diagrams, I still hand draw first
if there's anything 3-D required, as I can do that a whole
lot easier with a pencil than a mouse! There are computer
"drawing tablets", but my old CAD program won't talk to one
very well. They really need one of the big graphic designer
"drawing" programs, like Freehand or CorelDraw. These programs
are actually quite different in the way they work than a
CAD or "drafting" program. In either class of program,
"freehand" curves can be quite difficult, especially for
beginners.

CAD programs however are generally better at geometric drawing
than "drawing" programs, in my humble opinion. With regard
to 3D drawing/CAD programs, I've found them either too oriented
of regular shapes (spheres, cylinders, etc.) and found it
more hassle to use one for origami than just drawing the thing
freehand.

Another alternative is scanning your freehand drawings. Some
CAD and Drawing programs will allow you to "trace" or make
line drawings over a scanned image, and then delete the scanned
image, or retain it with the "enhancements". Or you can
import each as a separate scanned image to a Drawing or
Desktop Publishing type program, and then add the page
borders, text etc. This can work quite well if you start
with good clean sharp line drawings.

If you're just starting out to learn to use a computer drawing
or drafting (CAD) program, you might choose one like the
CorelDraw series. While the full versions (Corel5 and Corel6)
are pretty intimidating, you can still buy Corel3 or 4 and
then upgrade. There are also lots of books, video tapes etc
about the major drawing programs, including the entire series
of CorelDraws.

In this vein, the recently announced CorelCAD is actually
a program called VisualCAD by a company called Numera. The
Numera folks are the programmers who left AutoDesk (AutoCAD)
when AutoDesk abandoned its excellent mid-priced GenericCAD
program, which is what I'm still using because it has even
more built in shortcuts than AutoCAD at a fraction of the
price.

The Generic progammers took all their experience plus
years' worth of suggestions from the Generic users
community with them and incorporated it all into VisualCAD,
and though Corel Corp. is marketing it and providing user
support, Numera retains the code and does the updates, fixes
and heavy duty technical work. (The ONLY reason I'm not
using this program is that it only runs under Win95 and WinNT.
I'm skipping Win95, and waiting for NT4.)

Sorry, 2 cents turned into a $20 bill  :-)
--valerie
Valerie Vann
75070.304@compuserve.com





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Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 01:09:39 -0300 (ADT)
From: mandrk@pb.net
Subject: Re: Teaching handicapped children

Penny,

I like Jeannine Mosely's suggestions very much. I wouldn't teach any
fold that has more than three or four steps. I'd have them make a
paper cup without bisecting the forty five degree angle. I tell the
children they are making a "hug".

Also, I'd suggest the boat made from a triangle. In case you don't
know it. I used it in my book, "Fun Folds." BOS has it.

  First you fold the top down.
  Then the side triangles up - covering the center triangle
  Then fold up the bottom to make a stand
  Turn it around and the boat is complete

I tell a little story as I do this. First identify the parts of the
triangle. The top is the "head" the side points are the "arms."

It goes like this:

1-  Christopher Columbus BOWED (step 1) to Queen Isabella
2-  WAVED (step 2) to the crowed
3-  PULLED UP (step 3) the anchor
4-  And sailed across the seas

I tell the group that I have good news and bad news. The bad news is,
these boats don't go in the water. The good news is that they can
sail across your table. Then let them blow the boats gently. My
co-author (a speech teacher) had watched me do this lesson and
informed me that this is a good exercise in sustained breath therapy.
My guess is that Downs Syndrome kids would benefit as well as having
fun.

This is a very forgiving model and actually looks better if it is a
bit askew. I love it. Lillian taught it to me twenty five years ago.
I have no idea who came up with such a clever simple model.

I always have the children repeat it with smaller paper and I let
them teach it back to me. Then, the third time I let them try it by
themselves.

You can have them create a Father's day card. Do they celebrate that
in England in June? I have no memory of celebrating it when I grew up in
     Leicester
in the forties.

Oops, I just had another thought. I usually let the children
experiment with the triangles before they fold them. I show them how
two triangles placed together can make; a square, a larger triangle,
they see a diamond when the square is rotated and best of all a six
pointed star.

It's amazing how much mileage you can get working with simple right
angle triangles.

Feel free to contact me if any of this is interesting but doesn't
make sense. It's very late here and I'm not thinking too clearly.

Rachel Katz





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Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 01:44:38 -0300 (ADT)
From: Laurie Bisman <lbisman@sirranet.co.nz>
Subject: RE: Hints and Tips for Diagramming

Like everyone else, (I suppose), I spent most of my time in the beginning
creating and not really doing a lot of drawing. I made rough drawings that
only I could probably follow of course, but nothing that was good enough
for giving to someone else.

Eventually, everyone has to come to the realisation that part of the
origami experience is drawing what you have created.

Over the years, I have tried various methods, Tracing around difficult
models, making discrete dots at the corners and joining up the lines later
and so forth.

For some years, I did them the proper way, as taught me by Dave Venables.
During one visit to England when we stayed at Dave's house, we spent a very
pleasurable (for me at least) drawing my 'Policeman' in the traditional
manner. When we returned to NZ, I carried on doing my drawings the same
way. But eventually found that it was too time consuming (unfortunately...)
as life apart from origami had to go on too.

One method I found quite useful for a series of folds that were nearly
identical, was to draw the first one, then use a photocopier to make copies
of that one which I would alter one part of then re-photocopy and so on.

I have tried various CAD packages and found that most of them don't do the
job exactly the way you want to do it, and I hate modifying my modus
operandi to suit something like a piece of software!

I now find that the best solution is to get books of light blue graph
paper, (obtainable in various sizes and colours - usually for school
children) I then have the best of both worlds. I can freehand the folds,
and using the grid as a guide, get folds which are good enough for
publication, (I suspect that Paul Jackson among others uses a similar
technique - I could be wrong) - then when you are ready to copy a final
drawing, use a really good photocopier which will ignore the graph and only
copy your pen marks.

If you wish, draw in pencil first, then when satisfied, go over with ink.

Use lettraset or some equivalent for shading if you like.

Laurie Bisman
lbisman@sirranet.co.nz





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Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 02:54:38 -0300 (ADT)
From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@empnet.com>
Subject: Re: Hints and Tips for Diagramming

At 09:19 PM 5/25/96 -0300, you wrote:
>D'Origami writes:
><<since I am not all an artist
>it is excruciating for me to make the 3-d parts of them
>.I really bought this computer to do
>computer diagramming but never learned how to do that either.
>>>
I'm not sure how long ago, certainly within the last two weeks or so,
someone brought up the option of PowerPoint (part of Microsoft's office suite).

PowerPoint is not even close to CAD capabilities, however it may be a less
complex solution that would allow you to get immediate results.  The various
angles can be stretched rotated flipped, etc. as well as retained, which
would allow you to build up a common library of re-usable shapes to put
together in ongoing diagramming chores.  Once a shape, say for instance a
triangle is developed, it may be copied endlessly, and each copy may also be
stretched into new angles or perspectives.  The straight line drawing tools
are pretty easy to use and the product also exports into a number of other
formats.

Since you may not want to invest in a pricey CAD system, plotter, scanner,
etc. this may be a realistic first step for you.  It is also compatible
(import/export) with other products like Vision, which are specifically made
to to create and manipulate shapes.  I use PowerPoint frequently for making
technical presentations and find that it is at least quick and easy to use
for rapid development of a number of different views.

I believe Microsoft even has a demo disk, if not I can send you some samples
to evaluate.  It has a utility to create a self running show and I could
give you an idea of how some of the tools work.

Somewhere around here I may have a Visio demo diskette too, or I'm sure
they'd be happy to send you one ("They" meaning the Visio corporation).

And that, folding friends, is my 1 1/2 cents.

Steve Woodmansee , Bend Oregon
USA
(Stevew@empnet.com)





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Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 03:28:14 -0300 (ADT)
From: Pam Sirivedhin <pam@hel.ME.Berkeley.EDU>
Subject: Req:  Sources in London, Frankfurt

I will be travelling to London and Frankfurt in
the next few weeks.  If anyone knows any good
sources there, could you please let me know?

Thanks,
Pam
VS:jr
