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Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 15:14:36 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jeannine Mosely <j9@concentra.com>
Subject: Re: ORU

I just read David Lister's story about trying to order ORU from Japan.
I tried to find a way to do this myself last year, even though I live
a few miles from a store that carries the magazine, because it seemed
that it would save me money.  ORU insists on receiving a Postal Money
Order in Japanese Yen, even though, as far as I have been able to
tell, no such thing exists, at least not in the U.S.  I called several
post offices inquiring about this, and was told that I had to order
something (I forget what they called it) from a central office
somewhere in the midwest, which would involve a delay of a couple of
weeks and therefore, I would have to try to guess what the exchange
rate might be when they got around to filling my order!  I give up.
Now, I just pay $32.95 at Sasuga and am grateful they are nearby.  But
I remain just as confused about how to subscribe to Origami Tanteidan.
Can anybody help me?

        -- Jeannine Mosely (j9@concentra.com)





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Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 15:23:02 -0300 (ADT)
From: juancarlos <jlondono@calima.ciat.cgiar.org>
Subject: Re: ORIGAMI STAMPS

Estimado Steve
 Me alegra que estes interesado en aprender mas espanol, lo mismo deseo
hacer yo con mi ingles.

En mi homepage encontraras informacion que de seguro te servira para
aumentar tus conocimientos en espanol (y en origami por supuesto)

Yo trabajo en un centro de investiagaciones agricolas en la ciudad de Cali,
Colombia y hago desktop publishing disen~ando materiales de capacitacion.

Me gustaria saber que haces tu y si tienes homepage para visitarla

Te escribo luego.

Check this!
>Diga me si esta es bueno...?es correcto?!

>> Digame si esto esta bien...?es correcto?<<

hasta pronto

Juancarlos





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Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 15:48:23 -0300 (ADT)
From: John Smith <jon.pure@paston.co.uk>
Subject: Re: diagramming hints

At 08:44 20/05/96 -0300, you wrote:
>I am interested in starting a discussion on diagramming.  I would like hints
>for diagramming and your favorite tricks.

A few of the tricks I have found work for me :-

1. If I am being taught a model and I want to be able to fold it again
(assuming no diagrams are available) I try to fold 2 specimens. On one of
them I mark the valley and/or mountain fold lines and number the folds in
sequence.
If I then fold the model again as soon as possible I can usually work it out
using both specimens.
I also use this numbering and fold marking method when I am teaching a model
and want to be very sure of what comes next.

2. I am used to drawing (I like to paint and draw) so as a second step I
often sketch out the steps very quickly with lots of notes and specimens. I
nearly always do this when developing my own models.

3. If I have to prepare manual diagrams for publications I use the actual
model step by step and with a sharp pencil mark the outlines and the
location of the folds by making a point where an angles occur. For locations
inside the boundary I either press through the paper with the pencil or use
a metal point. I then sketch in very roughly the shapes conncting the
points. Finally I use a ruler and connect the points as accurately as I can
correcting their location where necessary.

4. Computer diagrams are a different world entirely. I have built up a
library of diffrent lines and basic shapes. I fold the next step, open up
and then use the computer to generate the shapes needed. Nearly always I
copy what I have done as the basis for the next step and modify it as
neceaary. Such diagrams take me a long time but where complex shapes are
concerned the copying facility is an enormous help. Also since I am using a
vector system I can easily arrange the sizes and locations to fit the pages
as well as possible.
It has taken me about 2 years to develop many of the proceedures I now use,
for example in using a flat diagram as a basis for creating a 3D version.

I have experimented with copying the steps but this has never been much good
for me.I have used my scanner to copy my type 3 diagrams and then use my
Designworks programme to produce the vector form. This is very quick and
works quite well.

I look forward to hearing other ideas.
John Smith
Norwich
England
e-mail  jon.pure@paston.co.uk





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Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 16:04:11 -0300 (ADT)
From: John Smith <jon.pure@paston.co.uk>
Subject: Re: John S. Smith please respond

At 17:55 20/05/96 -0300, you wrote:
>I am having trouble sending email to you at jon.pur@paston.co.uk -- is
>this the correct email address?  If so or if not, please respond to me sot
>that i can try to reply to send you some mail.
>
>thanks,
>hamilton

Sorry you have had trouble as Nick says the address is jon.pure as above not
jon.pur
I look forward to hearing from you regards.
John Smith
Norwich
England
e-mail  jon.pure@paston.co.uk





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Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 17:36:53 -0300 (ADT)
From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@empnet.com>
Subject: Re: 1st attempt models

At 02:58 PM 5/21/96 -0300, you wrote:
>On Tue, 21 May 1996, Brett wrote:
>
>> How often does everyone complete a model on the first try that actually
>> looks presentable ?  Models with interesting or different or difficult
>> steps, such as the armadillo ?
>>
>> Brett
>> BrettAndJill@OIA.Net
>>
>Yeah, *right* :)
>
>I sometimes find that I haven't done the creases accurately enough, and I
>end up adjusting the creases some way into the model.
>
>Unless, of course, it's your own creation in which case it *always* turns
>out right :)
>
>
>David M Holmes                  cm4bcdmh@bs47c.staffs.ac.uk
>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>British Origami Society        Association of C & C++ Users
>
>
I generally assume that the first or second model I make is going to be a
learning (and tearing) experience.  I tend to spend a lot of time on them,
figuring out what the diagrams are trying to show, and in the case of more
complex models (for me anyway) I like to annotate the diagrams in spots
where I've had trouble or misunderstood the directions.

Most of the other folks who post to this list are far more advanced than I
am, however.  For folders this advanced I would imagine diagrams are not as
critical to the success of the model, so perhaps their approach differs.

Any of you master folders care to comment?

Steve Woodmansee , Bend Oregon
USA
(Stevew@empnet.com)





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Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 17:43:59 -0300 (ADT)
From: billlise@gol.com (Bill Lise)
Subject: Re: ORU

At 1:49 AM 96.5.22, DLister891@aol.com wrote:

> I have previously sent bank drafts in payment for ORU. The first two times,
> there was no problem. However, when I sent my payment in January,, I received
> a letter asking me to pay in future by Postal Order in Japanese Yen, because,
> with payment by bank draft, a charge for exchange is very expensive. They
> said they had paid the bank charge of Y1,500, "But only this time".

This is quite normal in Japan. Aside from the fact that both bank drafts and
personal checks are extremely rare payment instruments here in Japan (where
direct bank-to-bank transfers are the usual method of payment), virtually
any payment instrument coming in from overseas is charged from 1500 to
3500 yen (depending upon the amount of money), even if denominated in
yen to start out with at the country of origin, because it is not a matter of
"exchange" but a matter of receiving money from a non-Japanese bank.
The reason this is done is simply that the market will allow it (the Japanese
are seldom heard to complain), and I do not know a solution, other than an
international postal money order, as suggested by ORU, but it appears that the
     British Post Office no longer issues a usable payment instrument.

This problem has plagued me in Japan for years--at international conferences,
we either charge more for foreign visitors, publication orders, etc., or just
     eat
the charges.

Bill Lise       1-5-9-1101 Higashiyama, Meguro-ku, Tokyo 153
Tel:  03-3791-6870      Cellular phone:   030-00-90023       Fax:  03-3715-2748
More than 180 translators (many of them familiar honyakkers) will be at IJET-7
     this month.





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Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 18:45:36 -0300 (ADT)
From: Sheila Davis <sew@hpfisew.fc.hp.com>
Subject: Re: ORU

        A friend of mine often orders things from Japan, so I asked
        him about his experience with Postal Money Orders.  His
        reply:
>
>       There's an International Postal Money Order.  You can get these at
>       the post office (it usually must be a main branch).  You have
>       to ask for an International one and specify which country it is
>       for.  You have to pay cash for the money order and I believe there
>       is a $3.00 charge for generating one.  There is a maximum amount
>       for the order as well, I believe that it's in the $500 range though.
>       The IPMO amount is in dollars.  They convert to yen at the Japanese
>       end.

        This will only work for the US, unfortunately, but I hope it helps.

Regards,

  Sheila Davis        Hewlett-Packard IC Business Division
 sew@hpfisew.fc.hp.com          Fort Collins, Colorado





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Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 19:01:17 -0300 (ADT)
From: Caslegona@aol.com
Subject: Re: ORU and traveler's checks

Has anyone tried sending traveler's checks for yen? They must be available.





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Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 19:23:03 -0300 (ADT)
From: "BOB T. LYNCH" <blynch@du.edu>
Subject: paying for stuff in Japan

I, too, would like info on how to get money to Japan - if for a slightly differ-
ent reason, my brother lives there and we have been having a heckuva time get-
ting money to him! Western Union won't do it, and he has a hard time getting
anything cashed - even at the bank where he keeps his money! (They were going
to charge him $21 to cash a $20 Cashier's Check at Christmas!)

Dee





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Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 19:29:30 -0300 (ADT)
From: "BOB T. LYNCH" <blynch@du.edu>
Subject: folding for the first time

Steve -

and all - I don't know that I qualify as a "master" but I have been folding for
about 25 years now, and I find the more I fold, the more practiced I become
and the easier some things get... for instance, I can get edges lined up pretty
welll - no overlap, and I can do a few simple things the first time without
any problem, but, as yet, I have never done anything harder than intermediate
level the first time without looking at it and then giving it to my kids to play
with!

Dee





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Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 19:42:05 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jennifer Andre <JAndre@cfipro.com>
Subject: Re[2]: ORU and traveler's checks

     I thought of that, then wondered how one can countersign in the
     presence of the recipient...  Good idea, just impractical/illegal or
     some such. :(

______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Re: ORU and traveler's checks
Author:  origami-l@nstn.ca at Internet
Date:    5/21/96 3:06 PM

Has anyone tried sending traveler's checks for yen? They must be available.





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Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 19:54:54 -0300 (ADT)
From: Rjlang@aol.com
Subject: New programs in the archives

I (with the able assistance of AFL Andy) have uploaded two programs to the
archives that you might find interesting:

1. OriManip.hqx is a program I described here recently that lets you fold a
piece of paper on screen -- i.e., you grab a corner by clicking on it, drag
it to another position, and watch the paper fold itself into shape.

2. Trmkr36.hqx is the latest upgrade to TreeMaker (version 3.6). The biggest
change is that opening and saving now takes seconds rather than minutes and I
replaced some documentation that I accidentally left out of version 3.5. Alex
Bateman has alerted me to a bug in printing with Laserwriter 8 and higher; it
doesn't print. Use LW7 or copy and paste your crease patterns into another
application.

Both files are binhexed self-extracting archives, Mac-only. They're currently
in ftp.rug.nl/origami/.incoming but will probably get moved into the
/origami/programs directory at some point.

Robert J. Lang
rjlang@aol.com





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Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 20:10:53 -0300 (ADT)
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: Re: Thanks for Your Patience!

Bren:  I have tried to get your web page and cannot get it with the http you
gave out.  What do you suggest...Dorigami





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Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 20:12:06 -0300 (ADT)
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: Re: origami.com ???

Thank you Valerie....very good explanation....Dorigami





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Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 22:59:44 -0300 (ADT)
From: Alasdair Post-Quinn <acpquinn@panther.middlebury.edu>
Subject: Re: 1st attempt models

> On Tue, 21 May 1996, Brett wrote:
>
> > How often does everyone complete a model on the first try that actually
> > looks presentable ?  Models with interesting or different or difficult
> > steps, such as the armadillo ?
> >
> > Brett
> > BrettAndJill@OIA.Net

Just thought i'd add a note here -- instead of the weird complicated
pleating at the end of the armadillo, i like to pleat the model first,
then fold it. This way I can get in more pleats as well. This method may
take some other adjustment of the diagrams, but it's well worth it for
the result.
-Alasdair
acpquinn@midd-unix.middlebury.edu





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Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 23:22:21 -0300 (ADT)
From: Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>
Subject: Re: 1st attempt models

On Tue, 21 May 1996, Alasdair Post-Quinn wrote:

> Just thought i'd add a note here -- instead of the weird complicated
> pleating at the end of the armadillo, i like to pleat the model first,
> then fold it. This way I can get in more pleats as well. This method may
> take some other adjustment of the diagrams, but it's well worth it for
> the result.

As you like. I diagrammed it the way I did because that's the way I like to
do it. I've found that that method allows for better preservation of the
roundedness of the body. Also, Phillip Yee has come up with a head
modification (for wet-folding) that looks much better than my original
design.

Joseph Wu  <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>  <http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/jwu/origami.html>
Approach life like a voyage on a schooner. Enjoy the view. Explore the vessel.
Make friends with the Captain. Fish a little. And then get off when you get
Home.                                                     --Max Lucado





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Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 23:32:41 -0300 (ADT)
From: Pamela Graben <pgraben@umich.edu>
Subject: First time successes

>Off the armadillo for a sec;
>
>How often does everyone complete a model on the first try that actually
>looks presentable ?  Models with interesting or different or difficult
>steps, such as the armadillo ?
>
>Brett
>BrettAndJill@OIA.Net

I usually need to do it once before I get a good hakering for a model, and
then I can do it clean with correct paper choice.  Unless its a bear, when I
need to do it multiple times to figure out the nuances of shaping,
positioning, etc.

!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!

Pamela Graben,               Us and the world, see, we got this
understanding...
Namir Gharaibeh                     pgraben@umich.edu





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Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 23:32:18 -0300 (ADT)
From: Pamela Graben <pgraben@umich.edu>
Subject: paper

Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 11:15:52 -0300 (ADT)
From: David Work <davwork@sosinc.net>

>I have been with this group for about 4 months, and this seems like a >good
>time to ask.  What is the best paper to use when folding.  Is there
>different papers for different models?
>
>I have seen discussions about paper but not in this area.
>
>David Work
>davwork@sosinc.net

You might try looking up my hybrid paper survey in the archives.  It
provides a look at different types of combinations of non-paper with paper
mixtures, based on the characteristics of each material.

!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!

Pamela Graben,               Us and the world, see, we got this
understanding...
Namir Gharaibeh                     pgraben@umich.edu





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Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 23:32:18 -0300 (ADT)
From: Pamela Graben <pgraben@umich.edu>
Subject: paper

Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 11:15:52 -0300 (ADT)
From: David Work <davwork@sosinc.net>

>I have been with this group for about 4 months, and this seems like a >good
>time to ask.  What is the best paper to use when folding.  Is there
>different papers for different models?
>
>I have seen discussions about paper but not in this area.
>
>David Work
>davwork@sosinc.net

You might try looking up my hybrid paper survey in the archives.  It
provides a look at different types of combinations of non-paper with paper
mixtures, based on the characteristics of each material.

!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!

Pamela Graben,               Us and the world, see, we got this
understanding...
Namir Gharaibeh                     pgraben@umich.edu





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Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 23:42:13 -0300 (ADT)
From: Eric Andersen <Eric_Andersen@brown.EDU>
Subject: Mozilla post from Iceland...

Hi everyone! As I mentioned earlier I got a post yesterday from someone in
Iceland. The return address field was:

Fullt nafn <notandanafn@mmedia.is>

and the organization field was:

The message just said:

"Hi Eric! A nice homepage you've made.  Just wanted to say hello from
Iceland.  One of my hobbies is also Origami.  Best regards from Viggi."

I tried to reply but I got sent back a "User unknown" (aka 550) error.
Anyone know who this is or have any ideas about how to get back in touch?

-Eric  :-P

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      A                   A
     /|\            \    /|\
    / | \            \\ / | \ /7\            /-\.
   /__|__\            \/__|__\/            a miniature
   \  |  /             \_/ \_/               Kawahata
    \ | /             Flapping                stegosaurus
     \|/                bird
      V                       Eric Andersen   origami@brown.edu
  Bird Base             http://www.netspace.org/~ema/origami.html
 Origami Fantasy Page: netspace.org/~ema/origami/fantasy/fantasy.html





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Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 00:19:34 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Photo diagrams & P.Shen dish

On the more-or-less related subjects of Photo diagrams
and help folding the Phillip Shen Dish shown in Jackson's
Encyclopedia (Running Press edition):

There was a recent inquiry and some discussion (some by
private email) about the Shen Dish, which is as one of
our [pick one] gurus/photographic memories :-) pointed
out, diagrammed in the BOS booklet #18 by Jackson. (I'd
completely forgotten the booklet, which I had, even while
struggling with a reverse engineering job from the photo;
mucho embarrassing... )

Anyway, I parked a series of quickie photo-diagrams and
some text helping out getting the initial "1/3 angle" - that
is the only slightly tricky thing about Shen's very elegant
Dish - on my Web site. However, it isn't linked to my main
Web page, you have to go direct, as I don't intend to leave
it up for more than a couple of weeks, it's sort of crude
and one of the photo references in the text is wrong, but
it more or less gets the job done. There's also one color
photo of several Shen dishes, with variations.

If anyone else is interested, the URL is:

http://users.aol.com/polygons/shendish/shendish.html

FTP  to  users.aol.com/polygons/shendish

will work too. The photos are GIFs and the text is HTML.

Valerie Vann
75070.304@compuserve.com





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Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 00:52:51 -0300 (ADT)
From: sychen@leatherback.nist.gov (S.Y. Chen)
Subject: Re: New programs in the archives

Robert Lang wrote:
>1. OriManip.hqx is a program I described here recently that lets you fold a
>piece of paper on screen -- i.e., you grab a corner by clicking on it, drag
>it to another position, and watch the paper fold itself into shape.
>

I did a quick check on this program. Well done job, Robert.
Great animation for Pureland origami! My $0.02 comment is:
The program is still buggy. I got several type 1 errors in a few clicks and
drags. It is quite a memory eater too.
I have not figured out what cut/copy/paste does in program menu.
If those bugs can be cleaned and memory can be managed using better
schemes. It would turn out to be a superb pureland origami
diagrammer/folder/animater once all sequences are saved.

Way to Go! Robert. I am sorry for this kick-off kicker and I know this is
quite amount of work...

Sy Chen





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Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 00:58:42 -0300 (ADT)
From: Hamilton Edmund Link <hamlink@cs.uoregon.edu>
Subject: Re: origami around the world!

This is more an html question than an origami question, so let me
apologize in advance, but how did you set up your traffic log (and
associated hit counter) in your web pages?

hamlink

On Mon, 20 May 1996, Joseph Wu wrote:

> On Mon, 20 May 1996, Eric Andersen wrote:
>
> >         But the amount of international traffic I got was what was really
> > cool...in just one day I had hits from Canada, the UK, Spain, France,
> > Mexico, Argentina, Japan, India, Germany, Denmark, the Netherlands, Hungary,
> > Turkey, Italy, Sweden, Finland, Iceland, Australia, and Brunei!!! Wow, the
> > population of Brunei is less than a third of the population of Rhode
> > Island...I wonder if it was the Sultan himself???
>
> Hmm...and if it were the Sultan, did he go from my page to yours or vice
> versa? Here's the relavent line from my log summary:
>
>              Sites Connected          Pages Accessed
>           ---------------------   ---------------------
> Domain      Total     per Day       Total     per Day     Country
> ------    ---------  ----------   --------- ----------    -------
> bn           1         0.1          32         4.5      BRUNEI DARUSSALAM
>
> The ones that interest me are the Eastern European ones. Estonia, Latvia,
> Slovenia, Slovakia? And who's the guy in Bahrain? 8)
>
> Joseph Wu  <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>  <http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/jwu/origami.html>
> Approach life like a voyage on a schooner. Enjoy the view. Explore the vessel.
> Make friends with the Captain. Fish a little. And then get off when you get
> Home.                                                     --Max Lucado





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Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 01:00:25 -0300 (ADT)
From: Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>
Subject: Re: Mozilla post from Iceland...

On Tue, 21 May 1996, Eric Andersen wrote:

> Hi everyone! As I mentioned earlier I got a post yesterday from someone in
> Iceland. The return address field was:
>
> Fullt nafn <notandanafn@mmedia.is>
>
> and the organization field was:
>
> Organization: Margmidlun
>
> The message just said:
>
> "Hi Eric! A nice homepage you've made.  Just wanted to say hello from
> Iceland.  One of my hobbies is also Origami.  Best regards from Viggi."
>
> I tried to reply but I got sent back a "User unknown" (aka 550) error.
> Anyone know who this is or have any ideas about how to get back in touch?

Eric, many people don't seem to have their reply address info properly set
up in their mail browsers, so replying to them is not possible. Also, since
many people browse via SLIP/PPP connection, their return addresses default
to their home PCs or Macs which aren't equipped to directly receive e-mail.

I've long since given up trying to respond to these people. If the
return address doesn't work (i.e. I answer every piece of web page
related mail I get but some of them bounce) then that's too bad.

Joseph Wu  <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>  <http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/jwu/origami.html>
Approach life like a voyage on a schooner. Enjoy the view. Explore the vessel.
Make friends with the Captain. Fish a little. And then get off when you get
Home.                                                     --Max Lucado





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Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 01:05:06 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Morris M. Keesan" <keesan@world.std.com>
Subject: Japanese payment

American Express issues Japanese yen traveller's cheques.  I've never tried
sending
them through the mail, but in Japan I found that I had to go to banks to
cash them.

What about simply sending Japanese currency to ORU, in 1000-yen notes,
rounded up to
the correct amount?  The rounding process can't cost you as much as the
1500-yen bank
charge.  I would guess this is reasonably safe.  I would trust the Japanese
post office
and ORU to be honest with the money, and anyone in the US Postal Service who
might be
tempted to steal cash from the mails would most likely be put off by it
being foreign
currency.
----------------------------------------
Morris M. Keesan -- keesan@world.std.com





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Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 09:33:23 -0300 (ADT)
From: "C:WINSOCKKA9QSPOOLMAIL" <nick@homelink.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: 1st attempt models

> How often does everyone complete a model on the first try that actually
> looks presentable ?

At risk of being contentious, I would suggest next to nobody, however
experienced. paper is just too unforgiving.

cheers!

Nick Robinson

nick@homelink.demon.co.uk





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Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 10:24:48 -0300 (ADT)
From: David Work <davwork@sosinc.net>
Subject: Re: Chinese Modulars

I sorry if this has been posted but my server has been down for a few days.

Did anyone else see the story on the Chinese Refuges?  I was fliping through
the channels this past weekend and saw the last on this story.  They
explained a little about what has happened and what the lawyers are still
trying to do.

But they also showed some of the models that they had made.  It was
impressive to say the least.

David Work
davwork@sosinc.net





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Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 10:49:44 -0300 (ADT)
From: Loretta Hudelot <Loretta_Hudelot@sch.org>
Subject: When Pigs Grow Wings and Fly

In an attempt to be sneaky and use public opinion to sell my request, I'm
addressing my question to Joseph Wu in public domain format.

Joseph, have you diagrammed the pattern for your adorable model
"When Pigs Grow Wings and Fly"?  It's one of my all-time favorite origami
models (humorous as well as challenging).

Last I heard, you said your computer is up and running and we can now
bug you for diagrams.  So,

                   WHEN CAN WE HAVE IT?, PLEASE HUH HUH ...

This is the cue for everyone else who wants the diagram to chime in and
bug Joseph  %8-)  .

Loretta Hudelot
<Loretta_Hudelot@sch.org>
Houston, TX





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Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 11:42:03 -0300 (ADT)
From: Rjlang@aol.com
Subject: Re: New programs in the archives

>>>>
The program [OrigamiManip] is still buggy. I got several type 1 errors in a
few clicks and
drags. It is quite a memory eater too...
<<<<

You're lucky it runs at all -- I wrote it back when System 6.0.x was the
latest and greatest and THINK Pascal hadn't been ruined by Symantec. At any
rate, I haven't worked on it for several years and don't plan to do any more
(although anyone who wants to pick up the project is welcome to -- contact me
directly).

Robert
rjlang@aol.com





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Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 11:51:36 -0300 (ADT)
From: Paul Slater <P.Slater@swansea.ac.uk>
Subject: Chinese Folds for "joss" paper.

A story of what happened to me at a local chinese supermarket.

A few days ago I searched the MESSAGES archives for "joss" paper
folds. The information here is fasinating!. I've been looking for
this type of paper since reading about the chinese tradition in the
late Eric Kenneway's COmplete Origami.

This past weekend I went to a recently opened chinese supermarket
here in Swansea, and to my delight, they sold "joss" paper. (But I
had to look for it as the word "joss" bought quizical looks from the
shop owners.)

This shop supplies narrow rectangluar cream paper, bundles of money
notes, and two types of paper which were similar to that shown in
complete origami. One type was a plain cream colour with a gold foil
rectangle in the centre and a orange band leading from it to the
paper's edge. The other paper was similar but had a red ink border
with pictures and symbols written over the foil.

Wonderful. But even better, the shop owner asked me if if I wanted to
learn how to fold a nugget.

Today I popped down to buy another pack of the printed paper.
However, this time the shop owners mother was there. She heard how I
was interested in the traditional folding of this type of paper and
offered to teach me a crown.

This consisted of a near modular technique of folding nuggets with
two extra pieces of paper coming out to be folded with another
nugget. It amazed me how quickly she created a four nugget crown,
with a thick head band, and with all the colours facing outwards,
and the gold rectangles facing upwards.

Question: Has anyone else heard of this fold?. Who knows!! it maybe a
very early example of modular origami!!!.

But whatever, it was a delight to watch and learn from this lady,
and I look forward to going back to the shop to learn some more.

I'll scribble up some diagrams for some people if they are interested.
It will have to be snail mail as this terminal can't cope with sending
pictures via email.

Has anyone else got an interesting learning story?

yours, happily eating some chinese fortune cookies,..

Paul.





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Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 15:58:23 -0300 (ADT)
From: Alasdair Post-Quinn <acpquinn@panther.middlebury.edu>
Subject: Re: 1st attempt models

> > How often does everyone complete a model on the first try that actually
> > looks presentable ?
>
> At risk of being contentious, I would suggest next to nobody, however
> experienced. paper is just too unforgiving.

I'd like to add that when I first bought Viva! Origami, I folded the
Maekawa Demon quite nicely out of red monocolor (which is more forgiving,
I guess).

-Alasdair
acpquinn@midd-unix.middlebury.edu





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Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 16:56:16 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kim Best <kb9727@tec.oz.cc.utah.edu>
Subject: Re: Homepage & Diagrams

On Tue, 21 May 1996, Valerie Vann wrote:

> addition, support for direct access/display of PDF in the
> popular Web browsers is already underway...
>

In a sense it's already here. Most Web browsers, such as Netscape, when
they see a file with an extention they are unfamiliar with will ask you
to set up a viewer. If it's a PDF file just point it to your Acrobat
reader. Or if it is a Postscript file just point it to Ghostview.  And
then everytime you click on a diagram reference it fires up your viewer
and displays your diagram on the screen.

Kim Best                            *******************************
                                    *  'Course if you want        *
Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   *  inline origami diagrams    *
420 Chipeta Way #120                *   thats another problem...  *
Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         *******************************





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Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 17:48:49 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jack.Thomas.Weres@att.com
Subject: Re: no mail

fellow folders,,,

> Seems to me that new subscribers post the most, get their questions out,
> and then settle in or unsubscribe. And then there are those who have been
> subscribed to the list for multiple years, who only post if someone asks a
> question that noone else seems to have the answer to, sort of the resident
> experts, I guess.

don't forget those who post on numerous occassions
-- fail to receive any responses either privately or publicly --
then don't bother to contribute anymore
because no one is listening
(or so it seems)

  /-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-///plieur de papier\\\-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-\
 /=-= jack thomas weres                       jtweres@psp.ih.att.com =-=\
/=======================\\\================///===========================\
"Let Go and Let Fold"                               "One Crease At A Time"





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Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 17:55:39 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kim Best <kb9727@tec.oz.cc.utah.edu>
Subject: Re: Bases

On Mon, 20 May 1996 mandrk@pb.net wrote:

>
> The "Conmon bases included in the 1995 Annual Collection are:
>   Kite Base
>   Fish Base
>   Waterbomb Base
>   Preliminary Base
>   Bird Base
>   Frog Base-Lily Base
>   Windmill Base
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I am familiar with all the bases except the windmill base.  Am I correct
in assuming it is the form that can be made into a simple sailboat, a
pinwheel, and the famous Pajarita?  Or is it something else entirely?

Kim Best                            *******************************
                                    * For 1001 Xciting models from*
Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   *  Hardins Non-base just call *
420 Chipeta Way #120                *1-800-555-SCAM  (Not really!)*
Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         *******************************





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Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 18:00:16 -0300 (ADT)
From: DLister891@aol.com
Subject: Price of ORU

I have to apologise one again for my inept laying out of my letters, and in
particular for the layout of the prices of ORU I gave in my letter yesterday,
which was so deformed as to make them incomprehensible. As far as I can see,
the typing width on my E-mail program is wider than what is transmitted. It
seems to apply to other people because the ends of their lines are often
brought down as orphans to the following line, Why should this be?

Now for Oru prices. I'll try a different layout.

Magazine price:

1copy Y2,060.     2copies  Y4,120
 3copies Y6,180.  4 copies Y8,240.

Add Postage:
For Asia and Oceania.

1copy Y640.        2copies  Y1,120.
3copies  Y1,600.  4copies  Y2,080.

For Middle East, North
and Central America.

1copy  Y780.       2copies  Y1,380.
3copies  Y1.980.   4copies  Y2,580.

For Europe, Africa,
South America.

1copy  Y920.      2copies  Y1,640.
3copies  Y2,360  4copies  Y3,080.

I hope this works and you will find the information useful. Thank you to all
those who have wrtten about Japanese bank charges. It seems we're stuck with
them. I am, however, making further enquiries and will report if anything
comes of them.

Yours frustratingly,

David Lister.





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Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 18:01:49 -0300 (ADT)
From: DLister891@aol.com
Subject: Bases

Mention has been made of the "Classic" bases. Lest there should be a
misunderstanding, I think that it should be pointed out that it cannot can be
said that  there is any rigid set of bases called "classic".  "Classic" is a
somewhat loose term. Some would restrict the term to those bases whch, when
folded flat, form a diamond shape: the Kite, Diamond, Fish, Bird and Frog
bases. They are what Dr. Solorzano Sagredo called "Deltoids". In the very
early days of the modern paperfolding revival there was a  tendency by some
almost mystical significance. (But Eric Kenneway took a different view and
said we should free ourselves from folding from bases. He did!)

A wider concept of "Classic" bases extends the term to Preliminary Fold,
Waterbomb Base, Blintz Base, Windmill Base and such exotics as the Blintzed
Bird Base and the Stretched Bird Base. Some people might extend the list even
further, but does it matter much? A base is only one stage in the folding
process and today we are much more liberated from the tyrrany of the bases
than we once were.

Turning to another point, it has been asked if there are any books on bases.
OUSA's "Origami Basics" has been suggested and  I would agree that this is
the best collection of bases and basic folding techniques. But it is not the
only system. there are many variations in symbols and ways of doing things
and none has absolute authority.

 I sugges,however, that there is scope for publication of a wider collection
of bases: a collection of bases of of many kinds, both simple and advanced.
It would be a kind of resource book in which folders could browse for
inspiration. It would be anlogous to a book of standard chess openings. A
folder could pick and choose where he wanted or where he found inspiration.
Such a book would need to be compiled with taste and with care. There are
some monstrous concoctions around which could masquerade under the title of
"bases"!

No doubt the collection would include a few models illustrative of what some
of the folds could produce, just to relieve the monotony of continuous pages
of instructions, but in no way would it be a collection of folding
instructions for completed models.

For example: Fred Rohm invented a simple base in the sixties, which he called
the "Simplex", a very simple base which he used to surprisingly good and
varied effect (Fred would have little to do with the Classic bases!) On a
more advanced plane, I can think of the bases that David Brill, Max Hulme and
Martin Wall each developed independently in the 197Os and used in their
several ways for folding some wonderful animals. So far as I know, they have
not been published, except in so far as they may appear as steps in folding
instructions for those models which happen to have appeared in print..

Someone would have to write and diagram such a book of bases, and, perhaps
even more difficult, they would have to get it published, but I am convinced
that if it could be done, it  would be a valuable addition to origami
literature. Any volunteers?

David





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Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 19:42:27 -0300 (ADT)
From: slider@ims.mariposa.ca.us (Pat Slider)
Subject: Re: paper

>Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 11:15:52 -0300 (ADT)
>From: David Work <davwork@sosinc.net>
>
>>I have been with this group for about 4 months, and this seems like a >good
>>time to ask.  What is the best paper to use when folding.

>

Part of the fun of folding for me is choosing the paper and experimenting....

For standard origami squares, I find that the kami paper OUSA and
Fascinating-Folds.com sells works well. Some of the origami paper sold in
toy stores and craft stores have caused me some real headaches. I used to
try and fail folding multiple models with cheap paper, only to find it
working well with better paper. (Now I only use the cheaper paper for
modulars or other simple folds. Then it isn't really an issue.) Wish I had
learned about good paper earlier....I wouldn't have felt so
fumble-fingered.

But I wouldn't say that a good kami paper is "best". It is also fun to use
foils, gift wrap, tissue paper, washi, and even oddments that arrive in the
mailbox. And then there is combining the different papers with
adhesive...something I haven't really tried yet myself.

>>Is there different papers for different models?

Well, I would say there is probably a perfect paper for every model, but
that it is up to the folder to find it. Perhaps most people would agree
with "thicker paper for boxes" or "the more complex, the thinner the
paper", but I expect there are bound to be exceptions to even this.

Anyway, it is nice to keep a LARGE variety of paper about, so you can pick
and choose the paper for each model.

pat slider.





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Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 20:00:12 -0300 (ADT)
From: Gonzalez Patrick <gonzalep@plgcn.umontreal.ca>
Subject: Re: armadillo

Casida Mark wrote:
>
> Robert Maldonado wrote,
>
> > Thanks.  Oh, I just folded Wu's Armadillo yesterday.
> > Beautiful model.
>
> Hmmm... I've folded this one a couple of times before and always
> seemed to wind up with a somewhat crumpled mess.  What paper did
> you use?  Do you have any hints to give about the steps after
> the model becomes 3 dimensional?
>
>                                    ... Mark

C'est vrai qu'il s'agit d'un tres beau model.
J'ai obtenu de tres bons resultats avec une simple
feuille d'origami standard (12 pouces).

It is a nice model indeed. I got good results with
a simple standard sheet of origami paper (12 inches).

--
| Patrick Gonzalez                                   |
| Dpt de sciences economiques --- CRDE               |
| Universite de Montreal gonzalep@plgcn.umontreal.ca |
|      http://tornade.ere.umontreal.ca/~gonzalep     |





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Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 20:12:59 -0300 (ADT)
From: Steve Arlow <yorick@conch.aa.msen.com>
Subject: Re: 1st attempt models

>> How often does everyone complete a model on the first try that actually
>> looks presentable ?
>
>At risk of being contentious, I would suggest next to nobody, however
>experienced. paper is just too unforgiving.

Well, my first attempt at Lang's Ant -- out of 6" foil, no less,
since it was alll I had handy at the time -- came out almost
perfect.  In fact, I have not managed to make one look that nice
in several attempts since then!

So, it seems that "beginner's luck" does exist in origami....

--
 "Your dog stuffs his tongue up your nose.   |  Steve Arlow, Yorick Software
  It's a good omen.  You press on."          |  39336 Polo Club Dr. #103,
     -- Bernie E. Mireault, in _The JAM..._  |  Farmington Hills, MI  48335
            (.sig contest has been won)      |  http://www.msen.com/~yorick





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Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 20:19:18 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kevin Thorne <c598033@showme.missouri.edu>
Subject: Re: armadillo

On Tue, 21 May 1996, Brett wrote:
>
> How often does everyone complete a model on the first try that actually
> looks presentable ?  Models with interesting or different or difficult
> steps, such as the armadillo ?
>

        This of course also depends on your definition of "presentable".
I think this depends largely on the amount of experience you have with
folding these types of difficult models in general.
         For instance, Robert Lang has been folding models for ~30 years,
many of which are extremely complicated models he enjoys to create.
I would think that Robert is probably pretty good at turning out a
presentable difficult model of someone else's design.

Kevin

Kevin Thorne
c598033@showme.missouri.edu





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Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 20:44:00 -0300 (ADT)
From: chall@scsn.net (Carol Hall)
Subject: Re: 1st attempt models

>> > How often does everyone complete a model on the first try that actually
>> > looks presentable ?

Here is my method:
--fold the first attempt up to the point where you encounter difficulty (if
this is the finished model, disregard the rest!)
--fold a second, third.... sample up to this first difficult point
--once you figure out the (first) difficulty, save the 'before and after'
step folds
--begin again and continue past that first sticking point until....

I have found that often when I have problems with a particular step, that
same step will hang me up if I try the model again after a period of time,
so the step folds come in handy.  Also, designers tend to have particular
styles, and step folds from one model may come in handy when trying a
different model from the same designer.  The other advantage is you don't
completely ruin your previous work to the point that you can't tell what it
is you are trying to do!

Carol Hall
chall@scsn.net





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Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 22:12:59 -0300 (ADT)
From: terryh@lamg.com (Terry Hall)
Subject: Re: Re: ORU

Hi Jeannine,

I am a subscriber to the Origami Tanteidan and when renewal time comes around
I simply send Y2000 in cash to them. So far I have had no problem. The risk
is that the Yen can be easily pocketed anywhere along the way. Yen can be
bought from International airports, some banks or from friends. The cheapest
is from friends since you do not pay any extra charges.

Terry Hall
terryh@lamg.com





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Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 22:48:32 -0300 (ADT)
From: "BOB T. LYNCH" <blynch@du.edu>
Subject: "German Bell"

Hi all -

I taught a class yesterday to a group of ladies at a luncheon, and one lady
remembered a display I had done TWO years ago! She had met Michal Shall at
some in time, and was very proud that she still had the strawberries he folded.
(She hadn't heard of his passing, though, so that was kind of a downer)
ANYWAY! She wanted to know if I knew a model her son's learned when the were
kids (they are probably in their late 30s or 40s by now) called a "German Bell"
She tried to describe it to me, but since I was running late and the ladies
needed to get to their meeting, she couldn't tell me a whole lot. She indicated
that it was 3D, a "bell" on the bottom, with points coming out. It sounded to
me like the 3D star made of ribbon, but when I described that to her, she said
no. She had started to try and fold it, and if she remembered anything about
it, it looked as though she was folding a fish base, or some variation on it.
Does this sound familiar to anyone?

Thanks in advance!

Dee
blynch@du.edu





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Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 23:22:36 -0300 (ADT)
From: Basyrett@aol.com
Subject: Re: ordering COET the easy way

Hello
I attended COET 91.  How quickly time passes!!  I agree with Nick the book is
worth the price!
Happy Folding : )
Barbara





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Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 23:38:29 -0300 (ADT)
From: Bren Riesinger <fascfold@fascinating-folds.com>
Subject: Re: rare origami book

Hamilton -
I'll be happy to list this on the "Classified" page if you'd like.  Please
let me know.
Thanks -
Bren
--------------------------------------------
At 09:04 PM 5/7/96 -0300, you wrote:
>If you or anyone you know has a copy of this book, I would like to know.
>I would like a xerox copy (if it's not too long), or i would like to
>borrow or even purchase it if you would be willing to sell it.
>
>"An Invitation to Creative Playing with Origami"
>by Shuzo Fujimoto, 1982
>published by the Ashai Culture Center
>no ISBN, out of print
>
>Thanks,
>hamilton
>
>
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - - - - -
Fascinating Folds
Rediscover the ancient craft of Origami, Japanese paper-folding, with
our extensive line of Origami papers and books.
http://www.fascinating-folds.com/paper





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Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 00:00:10 -0300 (ADT)
From: Bren Riesinger <fascfold@fascinating-folds.com>
Subject: Re: Templates?

The "templates" are available from Fascinating Folds.  They are 3/16" Lexan
- are available in 3.5", 4", 6", 8", 10", 12", 18,", and 24".  They are
guaranteed to be exactly square so you can enjoy all the wonderful "large"
papers in addition to the regular origami sizes.  (When I get caught up on
the website, there will be a LOT more full sheets of paper!)

Details on the templates are available on the website in the "Tools and
Supplies" section.
Thanks -
Bren
--------------------------------

At 06:16 PM 5/20/96 -0300, you wrote:
>Sorry for the ignorant query but where does one get a template?  I
>take it that they are metal, perfect squares used for cutting paper
>squares.  Thanks.  Oh, I just folded Wu's Armadillo yesterday.
>Beautiful model.
>
>Thanks,
>Robert Maldonado
>Philosophy Department
>CSU, Fresno
>Fresno, CA 93740-0105
>robert_maldonado@CSUFresno.edu
>
>
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- - - - - - - - - - -
Fascinating Folds
Rediscover the ancient craft of Origami, Japanese paper-folding, with
our extensive line of Origami papers and books.
http://www.fascinating-folds.com/paper





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Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 00:31:28 -0300 (ADT)
From: Bren Riesinger <fascfold@fascinating-folds.com>
Subject: Re: Thanks for Your Patience!

I've heard this from several others lately - yet when I check, it seems OK.
We recently went to a dedicated domain, but both appear to be working.
Please check the following:

http://www.fascinating-folds.com
and
http://www.fascinating-folds.com/paper

If you can let me know what's not working, maybe we can figure it out at
this end.  BTW, hits are still holding at over 100 per day, so hopefully,
the problem isn't too widespread.
Thanks -
Bren
------------------------------------

At 08:10 PM 5/21/96 -0300, you wrote:
>Bren:  I have tried to get your web page and cannot get it with the http you
>gave out.  What do you suggest...Dorigami
>
>
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - - - - -
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Rediscover the ancient craft of Origami, Japanese paper-folding, with
our extensive line of Origami papers and books.
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Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 00:45:04 -0300 (ADT)
From: marckrsh@nyc.pipeline.com (Marc Kirschenbaum)
Subject: Re: Bases

On May 22, 1996 18:01:49, 'DLister891@aol.com' wrote:

>I sugges,however, that there is scope for publication of a wider
collection
>of bases: a collection of bases of of many kinds, both simple and
advanced.
>It would be a kind of resource book in which folders could browse for
>inspiration. It would be anlogous to a book of standard chess openings. A
>folder could pick and choose where he wanted or where he found
inspiration.

With the marketability of such a book aside, for now we will have to read
between the lines (or diagrams, rather), and extract standard techniqes and
bases from our standard model-oriented origami books. My personal favorite
resource is the Lang-Montroll joint effort, *Origami Sea Life.* Contained
in those pages are a multitude of techniques for taking standard bird-base
type flaps, and dividing them up into a multitude of appendages. The reader
just has to know what to look for. The focus seems to be moving away from
pre-existing bases, and more towards point manipulation and adjustment to
have custom made bases.

Having said all of that, I do like the idea of having our own set of
classic bases. I think they give a strong sence of tradition to our art.
They are also still quite useful, at the very least as starting points for
more elaborate bases. As for the bases that are repeatedly used by modern
creators that remain nameless, I think that is okay too. The only
counterexample I can think of to this is Montroll's *Dog Base.* I think it
is nice that he gave it a name, as it makes the creative thread that much
clearer to folders of models employing the base.

Do people have a favorite starting base? My favorite would probably be an
offset fish base. I have used it to make a rat, pianist, guitarist,
drummer, biplane, elephant, skunk, and probably a handful of others I have
forgotten.

Marc





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Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 01:10:59 -0300 (ADT)
From: rmoes@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu (Rob Moes)
Subject: review:  Quarterly ORU diagrams #2

Just got my copy in the mail from Sasuga today, and I am very pleased by
its sophistication!  I think this is going to be an exciting series of
books.  I would say that half of the models are high-intermediate or
complex.  As I mentioned, volume #1 is currently on backorder, and I
haven't seen it yet.

This has 184 letter-sized pages ($32.95 + postage).  Looks to be 38
different models, with a color photo of nearly every model.  This is very
much an international effort, with the Western models named in English.

The models I have seen elsewhere:  Montroll's moose & stegosaurus,
Kawahata's parasaurolophus, Ow's heart with two cranes, Peter Engel's
octopus, Shen's Chinese vase, Momotani's koala.

Here are the other models, as best I can identify them:

two simple carp variations (12 steps),
nice bear cub which could be wet-folded (41 steps),
sensational two-toned winged dragon out of 3 squares in ratios 8: 6: 3
        (head=39 steps, body=68 steps, wings=25 steps),
chrysanthemum blooms (33 steps) with leaves (13 steps),
        <requires wire & floral tape to assemble>
tennis ball launcher--unique action model (65 steps),
two-tone coin purse, pinches open (27 steps),
swan (23 steps) with cygnet (14 steps),
floral decorative motif with cranes and hearts--very elegant,
        four modules (38 steps each) mounted on center base (11 steps)
        <two cuts needed to create cranes>
elf--lots of box pleating (64 steps),
box with coiled spring, several assembled sections
        (15, 8, 21, 9, 16, 23 steps),
Jeremy Shafer's nail clipper (new to me, and astonishing in 99 steps!),
winged stag beetle (140 steps--yes, and not even a Lang!),
crane & turtle card, with variation (26 steps) <two cuts>,
square box & lid (out of 1 by sq. root 2 paper, 36 steps each)
hydrangea blossom & leaves--magnificent, looks challenging
        --out of 3 squares (36, 6,16 steps),
stems & floral blossoms, two motifs for greeting cards
        (12, 20, 6 steps) and (25, 15, 5, 10 steps)
decorative mask--quite handsome, subtle details (68 steps)
another chrysanthemum (16, 4, 15 steps),
        <requires wire & floral tape to assemble>
bird bookmark (28 steps),
decorative motif--several collapsed boxes which open up
         larger and larger (difficult to describe)--two rectangles,
        one square (27, 10, 10 steps), <four cuts>
simple T-Rex (29 steps),
apatosaurus (54 steps),
tuck-in envelope (24 steps),
moth--sensational, very ornate, not for the faint at heart (172 steps),
Philip Shen's snow flower--hexagonal (24 steps),
polygonal dishes--4, 5, 6-sided (11 steps),
sea urchin--two variations, one of 25 points (41 steps)
        one of 145 points (???? steps)
child hidden in leaf, 3 sheets (18, 17, 12 steps)

--Rob





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Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 01:48:38 -0300 (ADT)
From: Maumoy@aol.com
Subject: Origami 3, Paperfolding for the Mathematics Class

I'd like to report a successful matchup of my want ad on Fascinating Folds
web page.  Richard Kennedy, of Birmingham, England had a copy of Harbin's
Origami 3 that I wanted.  I rec'd it today, only 2 days after he mailed it
air mail.  Just wanted to let you know that Bren's system works - but only 4
people have participated to date.

After wondering what happened to 3 e-mails I sent to the list in the past
week, I finally figured out I was using the wrong address.   OOPS!

Copies of Paperfolding for the Mathematics Class by Donovan A. Johnson are
available from the National Council of Teachers of Mathematics, 1906
Association Dr, Herndon, VA 22090 Attn:  Order Dept.  Price is $8.00 plus .36
tax, no shipping charge, Visa or MC accepted.  Phone is 703-620-9840.  There
is a 20% discount for 10 or more copies.  Anyone going to the OUSA convention
who wants a copy, please email me direct by May 31.  I will order them
shipped to NYC.  We can settle up later -  either $8.36 or $6.66, depending
on quantity.

The June 3, 1996 issue of Forbes has an Eddie Bauer ad w/ a diagram for a
paper airplane (Figs 1 and 2).  Figs 3 and 4 are other completed planes.

I saw last Sunday's cable tv show on the Golden Venture refugees - a program
called Nation Within.

Marcia Mau
Maumoy@aol.com





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Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 04:25:34 -0300 (ADT)
From: Penny Groom <penny@sector.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Teaching handicapped children

I have agreed to teach a club for handicapped youngsters next month,
mostly downs syndrome, 42 of them and I am just beginning to panic.

They will have about 6 helpers, probably none who have folded before. I
know these kids will have a short attention span so what can I teach
them that:
a. They have a fighting chance of following
b. Will be interesting for them
c. The helpers will be able to help them with.

I would usually do a box and jumping frog for starters to get them
laughing so they can jump the frog into the box but I don't know if
that, simple as it is , would be too hard.

Any ideas from anyone with experience of teaching a similar large group
would be most useful.

Penny
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                           :)  British Origami Society
penny@sector.demon.co.uk
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