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Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 13:31:24 -0300 (ADT)
From: "BOB T. LYNCH" <blynch@du.edu>
Subject: dearth of messages

I think the students studying and the people that write from work not being at
their machines on the weekends and just the beautiful weather over the weekend
(at least WE had nice weather here in Colorado) probably explains the dearth
of messages over the weekend!

Dee





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Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 13:34:50 -0300 (ADT)
From: rmoes@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu (Rob Moes)
Subject: source for ORU

Just got off the phone with Karen Yahara at Sasuga--a wonderful source for
all books Japanese.

Write or call them for a copy of their new catalog:

Sasuga Japanese Bookstore
7 Upland Road, Cambridge MA  02140;
tel: (617)-497-5460;
e-mail sasuga@world.std.com;
WWW:  http://www.terra.net/sasuga

In addition to ORU Magazine (160 pages, $32.95--also back issues and
subscriptions available), they have something new, which I didn't know
existed  :)   It's called Quarterly ORU Folding Diagrams.  These are
compilations of models which were *not* diagrammed in ORU--and apparently
just diagrams, so it sounds like good value for the money (200 pages,
$32.95).

There has been a huge run on Volume 1, and Sasuga has it on backorder.  But
Volume 2 is just out, and I ordered one.  Will post a review when it
arrives--these folks are very courteous and quick with their phone orders.

They also carry NOA, the monthly magazine for the Nippon Origami
Association.  Lavish, full color, but rather pricey (32 pages, $12).

--Rob





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Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 15:56:56 -0300 (ADT)
From: David Holmes <cm4bcdmh@bs47c.staffs.ac.uk>
Subject: Origami for the Connoisseur

Hi all,

It *IS* available !!!  In true Sherlock Holmes :) style I've managed to
track it down and I now own a copy.

Following Gordon Crane's post on Wednesday 8 May, explaining that Origami
for the Connoisseur was available from Kodansha Europe Ltd, I rang them
on the Friday morning.

They explained that another company actually distributed it and gave me
their phone number.  I rang this new number and was given another number
to ring!  Finally I was put through to the Ordering Department of a
company called Biblios.

Apparently only SEVEN copies were available, so I sent my cheque the very
next day.  I also asked about Origami Omnibus but was told it had been
out of stock for 2 months.

So, it's available... ableit in limited numbers !  Here are the details:

        Biblios, Star Road, Partridge Green, West Sussex, RH13 8LD
        Telephone: 01403 710971

        Credit cards, or cheques payable to Biblios.

I must say that it is a very nice book, with a good selection of models
including modulars, and some John Montroll models - something to strive
to accomplish !  The actual quality of the book itself is also excellent;
if all Japan Publications books are like this, then I will definitely be
buying more soon.

Cheers, from a very happy chap :)

David M Holmes                  cm4bcdmh@bs47c.staffs.ac.uk
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British Origami Society        Association of C & C++ Users





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Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 16:02:23 -0300 (ADT)
From: slider@ims.mariposa.ca.us (Pat Slider)
Subject: Re: source for ORU

>Will post a review when it arrives....

I will look forward to it! I for one greatly appreciate some of your past
reviews....quite an impressive number of them have accumulated in the
archives. (....and I am still slowly going through them all.)

pat slider





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Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 16:06:48 -0300 (ADT)
From: slider@ims.mariposa.ca.us (Pat Slider)
Subject: Re: no mail

I for one just think the tide is out :->. Last month the number of messages
was way up, I expect everyone is just feeling quiet for a while....or at
least until they feel inspired by a great topic.

Mailing lists seem to exhibit wave-like behavior to me. If you browse
through the archives, seems like there are some patterns to the postings,
but I can't quite define them....I wonder if anyone has done a thesis on
this yet?

Seems to me that new subscribers post the most, get their questions out,
and then settle in or unsubscribe. And then there are those who have been
subscribed to the list for multiple years, who only post if someone asks a
question that noone else seems to have the answer to, sort of the resident
experts, I guess.

And then there are those of us who are just downright chatty :->....

pat slider
slider@yosemite.net





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Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 16:09:59 -0300 (ADT)
From: DBSH47B@prodigy.com (MRS. JANET J HAMILTON)
Subject: Re: diagramming hints

-- [ From: Janet Hamilton * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --

> I am interested in starting a discussion on diagramming.  I would
like
> hints for diagramming and your favorite tricks.  One trick that
someone
> told me is to make step folds and then to photocopy them with the lid
> open.  This gives a much sharper image of the folds.  I would be
> interested in any other that yu have other than doing the diagrams on
the
> computer. Dorigami.....(I am wondering if my mail is going thru
because I
> never seem to get any answers to my questions.  Can someone signal me
that
> my replies to all are coming thru.)

My only tricks are to use the drafting supplies I had purchased for a
college course ages ago.  The t-square, straight-edges, triangles, and
templates are very low tech, but functional.  Now, if I had a
scanner...

Janet Hamilton





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Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 16:13:09 -0300 (ADT)
From: David Holmes <cm4bcdmh@bs47c.staffs.ac.uk>
Subject: Models that fold themselves

Just thought I'd mention that I've finally managed to fold Marc Vigo
Anglada's Pencil Pot from the archives.  It's funny how you can be
folding something every which way trying to get it to look like the
diagram... you kinda switch into automatic as you manipulate the paper
and when you get focussed again, the paper has magically formed itself
into the correct position !

Just thought I'd contribute to increase list traffic :)

David M Holmes                  cm4bcdmh@bs47c.staffs.ac.uk
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British Origami Society        Association of C & C++ Users





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Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 16:16:19 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: dearth of messages

Plus in my part of the USA, there were lots of graduations
last weekend. At this time of year lots of students get
booted out into the "real world" :-) and lose their free
high speed Internet access. Brace yourselves for the annual
spring flood of botched "unsubscribe" messages....

--valerie





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Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 16:19:29 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: origami.com ???

Eric & Dorigami wrote:
<<Eric wrote
Hi everyone! I did a who is query on origami.com (to see who owns the domain
name) and I came up with this:
>From Dorigami:   I would like to know more about this person
too so so that I know about the workings of this listserver.....Any one have
any info to share on this subject? Dorigami
>>

FYI: A domain name and this (or any other) listserver have
nothing to to with each other.

"A domain name" is the
principal part of an Internet address, denoting that the
address represents a site which is actually part of the
network of computers that make up the Internet. Domain
names are unique, and must be registered with the Internet
"powers-that-be". Registered domain names are exclusive to
their registered owners; and since last year are no longer
free, they require an annual fee, or the "ownership" lapses
and the name is up for grabs again. "nstn.ca" is a domain
name, as is "whitehouse.gov", "aol.com", etc.

The "listserver" is the robot computer program that
services the mail list by sending carbon copies of all
messages to all subscribers to the list. Information about
a mail list is obtained by sending a message to the listserver
similar to a "subscribe" message. When you first subscribe, you
get a reply about the list, how to get more info, where the
archives are, who "owns" it, etc. Some of this info appears
here regularly in the messages with subject "archives once
a month". The "owner" of the list, by the way, is NOT the
same as the person who is the "listmanager", and the listserver
program is not necessarily at the same site as the owner.
Most of this info is in the "FAQ" files at the origami-l
archive site [ftp.rug.nl]

Get a general book on the Internet (The 2-volume "internet
for dummies", despite its offensive title, is very good), and
look up mail lists.

Cheers,
--valerie
Valerie Vann
75070.304@compuserve.com





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Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 17:42:46 -0300 (ADT)
From: Martin Gibbs <mrg1001@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: dearth of messages

Hmm.  It was windy and rainy in this part of Britain.  It's picked up now
though.  So where were all those British people writing from home over the
dreary weekend?!

On Mon, 20 May 1996, BOB T. LYNCH wrote:

>
> I think the students studying and the people that write from work not being at
> their machines on the weekends and just the beautiful weather over the weekend
> (at least WE had nice weather here in Colorado) probably explains the dearth
> of messages over the weekend!
>
> Dee





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Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 17:52:18 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jennifer Andre <JAndre@cfipro.com>
Subject: Origami for the Connoisseur - more!

     I think I also saw "O for the C" in a department store or bookstore in
     Osaka or Kyoto (Japan).  I would have grabbed it if I had recognized
     its significance (duh!).  It seemed an ordinarily-stocked item, if I
     remember correctly.  I may have seen it in the foreign books area.  I
     was too busy looking for Fuse Tomoko's latest books...

     Thus, if you have a friend in Japan (if you don't have the good
     fortune to be there yourself) and you can arrange with your bank to
     send money in yen by means of an "international draft," probably this
     can be an easily-acquired item.

     I hope this makes *someone* at least marginally happy!

     Happy folding!

     - Jennifer Andre (JAndre@cfipro.com)





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Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 17:55:28 -0300 (ADT)
From: Hamilton Edmund Link <hamlink@cs.uoregon.edu>
Subject: John S. Smith please respond

I am having trouble sending email to you at jon.pur@paston.co.uk -- is
this the correct email address?  If so or if not, please respond to me sot
that i can try to reply to send you some mail.

thanks,
hamilton





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Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 18:00:40 -0300 (ADT)
From: Brett <BrettAndJill@OIA.Net>
Subject: Re: Bases

At 05:43 PM 5/19/96 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Many have written that they started with a classic base, and then they
>did something, or they made up a variation of a base.  Now,
>unfortunately, I didn't follow the writings on the details of who owns
>what when it comes to diagrams, but can somebody do 1 of 3 things:  1:
>Send me diagrams of the classic bases,  2: Direct me to a page where I
>can find that, or 3: Tell me a book that has them in it.
>
>
>
>                           Happy Folding,
>                            John

Check FTP://rugcis.rug.nl there are diagrams for the waterbomb base and the
preliminary base.

For further base study pick *any* of the books that you own (or check out at
the library or whatever).  Look at the beginning steps of the model, say the
first ten folds or steps.  Generally after the first ten steps or folds a
ROUGH shape appears.  From these rough shapes or bases more refining steps
are added until the final form is reached.

As for a book of just bases ?  I don't know.

Brett
BrettAndJill@OIA.Net





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Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 18:04:01 -0300 (ADT)
From: Eric Andersen <Eric_Andersen@brown.edu>
Subject: Re: origami.com ???

>Eric & Dorigami wrote:
><<Eric wrote
>Hi everyone! I did a who is query on origami.com (to see who owns the domain
>name) and I came up with this:
>>From Dorigami:   I would like to know more about this person
>too so so that I know about the workings of this listserver.....Any one have
>any info to share on this subject? Dorigami
>>>

And Valerie Vann wrote:
>
>FYI: A domain name and this (or any other) listserver have
>nothing to to with each other.
>
>"A domain name" is the
>principal part of an Internet address, denoting that the
>address represents a site which is actually part of the
>network of computers that make up the Internet. Domain
>names are unique, and must be registered with the Internet
>"powers-that-be".

Those "powers that be" are known as InterNIC, and about two years ago they
were only getting 300 or so requests for domain names. Now they get over
1300 requests a month!

        My concern is about use of the domain origami.com...I was hoping
this was someone in the origami community, not someone on the outside for
whom folding isn't a hobby but who is planning on somehow cashing in on the
worldwide interest in origami.

        A domain name is a name that can be used as a World Wide Web site
(http://www.origami.com) or as an FTP or gopher site, and a few other
things. As I mentioned they're getting harder and harder to come by.
Everyone's snatching up the common names these days because as the World
Wide Web grows, recognition will become a key factor. The classic story is
that of television.com. A guy bought it for $50 a few years ago and c|net
recently (maybe a year ago?) offered him $50,000 !!! He turned down the
offer, figuring he could get a lot more later on from one of the big TV
networks (FOX, Turner, etc.) The point is recognition and memorability. The
domain "erics_haven.com" is much harder to remember than just plain "haven.com"

        As for "Origami.com", it's easy to remember and it's not a
copyrightable name. The person who owns it (Scott P. Stansbury) may very
well use the name origami to market something that has little or nothing to
do with origami but will benefit only because people will remember the name
and find his site. This is what concerns me.

-Eric  :-O

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      A                   A
     /|\            \    /|\
    / | \            \\ / | \ /7\            /-\.
   /__|__\            \/__|__\/            a miniature
   \  |  /             \_/ \_/               Kawahata
    \ | /             Flapping                stegosaurus
     \|/                bird
      V                       Eric Andersen   origami@brown.edu
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Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 18:07:12 -0300 (ADT)
From: Brett <BrettAndJill@OIA.Net>
Subject: Re: diagramming hints

I've found plain old graph paper to be very helpful.

Brett
BrettAndJill@OIA.Net





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Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 18:15:30 -0300 (ADT)
From: Robert Maldonado <robert_maldonado@csufresno.edu>
Subject: Templates?

Sorry for the ignorant query but where does one get a template?  I
take it that they are metal, perfect squares used for cutting paper
squares.  Thanks.  Oh, I just folded Wu's Armadillo yesterday.
Beautiful model.

Thanks,
Robert Maldonado
Philosophy Department
CSU, Fresno
Fresno, CA 93740-0105
robert_maldonado@CSUFresno.edu





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Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 19:21:08 -0300 (ADT)
From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@empnet.com>
Subject: Re: no mail

At 11:14 AM 5/20/96 -0300, you wrote:
>  I'm glad to hear someone else say that.  I was getting a bit worried
>myself.  I look forward to logging on to E-mail at any time of the day and
>having lots of origami messages.  But there's been a dearth of messages.
>My guess is that a lot of students on this list (myself included) are
>revising for exams soon and so don't have much time to write E-mail.  But
>why our non-student people haven't been writing so much either I don't
>know.  Some people can only E-mail from work I suppose and so the weekend
>is sometimes rather quiet.  Let's hope people start writing again soon!
>
>  Martin Gibbs.
>  mrg1001@hermes.cam.ac.uk
>
>On Mon, 20 May 1996 DORIGAMI@aol.com wrote:
>
>> Just wondering....there was just one E-mail on the l7th of May and one E-mail
>> on the 18th in the letterbox.  Since there are usually at least 10 or more a
>> day....how does this happen.  I thought maybe I had been taken off the list
>> but this morning there was one  letter. Dorigami
>
I was worried by the lack of mail too, because I enjoy the many different
perspectives represented and I learn a lot from the aspects of Origami that
others are studying.  On the other hand, as one of the "non-student
contributors" I have to say that it's very intimidating to put anything out
in this particular idea pool on the heels of intensive discussions of math
sciences, copyright infringement laws, and vector based moral
dilemnas--Yikes!  I just want to make it one of Lang's insects!!
Steve Woodmansee , Bend Oregon
Pacific Northwestern U.S.
between Washington & California,
dead center of the state.
Population about 85,000
Surrounding area: SPECTACULAR
(Stevew@empnet.com)





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Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 19:29:08 -0300 (ADT)
From: Sally Giordano <dasyprnces@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: diagramming hints

personally i have been using powerpoint for diagraming but i am looking into
other programs that may give more accurate results.  i can't remember the
name of the book but i once used a book that used photographs instead of
drawings.  they used paper with designs that enabled you to see from one
fold to the next where the paper went.  i think this is especially helpfull
for more complicated folds.  with the aid of a scanner you would also be
able to manipulate your pictures for even better clarity.  don't know if it
will help, but it's a thought.





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Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 19:35:36 -0300 (ADT)
From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@empnet.com>
Subject: Re: no mail

At 04:07 PM 5/20/96 -0300, you wrote:
>I for one just think the tide is out :->. Last month the number of messages
>was way up, I expect everyone is just feeling quiet for a while....or at
>least until they feel inspired by a great topic.
>
>And then there are those of us who are just downright chatty :->....
>
>pat slider
>slider@yosemite.net
>
Pat!  Speaking of great topics - are you in Yosemite?  My favorite place on
earth?  I have to know!!!
Steve Woodmansee , Bend Oregon
Pacific Northwestern U.S.
between Washington & California,
dead center of the state.
Population about 85,000
Surrounding area: SPECTACULAR
(Stevew@empnet.com)





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Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 21:04:53 -0300 (ADT)
From: marckrsh@nyc.pipeline.com (Marc Kirschenbaum)
Subject: Re: diagramming hints

On May 20, 1996 08:44:02, 'DORIGAMI@aol.com' wrote:

>I am interested in starting a discussion on diagramming.  I would like
hints
>for diagramming and your favorite tricks.  One trick that someone told me
is
>to make step folds and then to photocopy them with the lid open.  This
gives
>a much sharper image of the folds.  I would be interested in any other
that
>yu have other than doing the diagrams on the computer. Dorigami

One advantage that computer aided diagraming hold is the auto copy feature.
This can be simmulated to some extent with hand drawn diagrams. If I have
to draw a sequence of steps that look very simmilar, I will create a
temporay template from which I can trace from. if I am using reasonably
dark ink, I can usually see what I have drawn through most thicknesses of
standard bond paper.

Another trick I use when drawing by hand is to make use of a paper
protractor. Many models make use of 45 degree and 22.5 degree angles. I can
create a straightedge to draw these angles, by folding paper in half
radialy repeatedly.

>wondering if my mail is going thru because I never seem to get any answers
to
>my questions.  Can someone signal me that my replies to all are coming
thru.)

Whether or not you are subscibed, you should be getting some sort of
positive feadback regarding the mail you send to the list. If your mail
gets sent to you as an origami-l posting, you can be sure the rest of the
list is receiving them to. If for some reason you were accidently
unsubscribed, your mail will be sent back, with a message saying to the
effect that you have to be a member of origami-l to send postings.

Marc





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Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 21:09:20 -0300 (ADT)
From: marckrsh@nyc.pipeline.com (Marc Kirschenbaum)
Subject: Re: diagramming hints

On May 20, 1996 16:09:59, 'DBSH47B@prodigy.com (MRS. JANET J HAMILTON)'
wrote:

>My only tricks are to use the drafting supplies I had purchased for a
>college course ages ago.  The t-square, straight-edges, triangles, and
>templates are very low tech, but functional.  Now, if I had a
>scanner...

I have used a scanner for diagramming, albeit only sparingly. I know it
might seem like it could remove the straing of diagramming, but in reality,
you have to do a lot of editing and clipping, only to achive lackluster
results. The only time I scan, is when I have to draw a difficult 3-d
picture (such as the final drawing of a completed model). I will scan the
model, and then trace the image with my drawing program, to keep the file
size small, and more importantly, to keep the style consistent with the
rest of the diagrams. There was one good place for the scanner, which was
to produce dollar bill diagrams. It was a hastle, but I got a fairly clean
rendering of George's face on my diagrams. A sample of this can be found at
the archives. The file is called *Inflation,* and due to the use of scanned
images, the file is huge.

Marc





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Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 21:13:11 -0300 (ADT)
From: marckrsh@nyc.pipeline.com (Marc Kirschenbaum)
Subject: Re: Bases

On May 20, 1996 18:00:40, 'Brett <BrettAndJill@OIA.Net>' wrote:

>As for a book of just bases ?  I don't know.

Try *Origami Basics* which is produced by Origami USA, and sold through The
Origami Source (notice the capitalized *T* JBG?). The upcomming Convention
Annual will contain a condensed version of this.

Marc





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Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 21:50:37 -0300 (ADT)
From: DBSH47B@prodigy.com (MRS. JANET J HAMILTON)
Subject: Re: Bases

-- [ From: Janet Hamilton * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --

> As for a book of just bases ?  I don't know.

Origami USA has put out a book called Origami Basics.  Here's the
description:

A folder-friendly book with clear precise text and illustrations on how
to follow origami diagrams, including paper terminology, bases, and
geometric paper divisions.  An excellent teachiong tool; the perfect
companion to any origami book.  Paperback, spiral bound.  50pp.  $9.50

OUSA used to put this lind of information in each year's convention
book, but decided it ws repetitive and not needed each year, so they
put it out as a separate book.

Janet Hamilton
dbsh47b@prodigy.com





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Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 21:54:38 -0300 (ADT)
From: DBSH47B@prodigy.com (MRS. JANET J HAMILTON)
Subject: Re: Templates?

-- [ From: Janet Hamilton * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --

> Sorry for the ignorant query but where does one get a template?  I
take it
> that they are metal, perfect squares used for cutting paper squares.
> Thanks.  Oh, I just folded Wu's Armadillo yesterday. Beautiful model.

Actually, the templates are Lexan, a hard, clear plastic.  The fact
that it is clear is nice because you can see to  align the pattern on
the paper to be cut exactly as desired.  I ordered the "mini-set" from
Fascinating Folds for $45, which includes various sizes from 3" to 12".
I just received them today, so I have not yet tried them out.  Here's
the info on Fascinating Folds:

Fascinating Folds
P. O. Box 2820-235
Torrance, CA  90509-2820
(tel) 310/378-0076
(fax)  310/378-0647
http://www.fascinating-folds.com/paper/

Janet Hamilton
dbsh47b@prodigy.com





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Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 21:58:28 -0300 (ADT)
From: mandrk@pb.net
Subject: Re: no mail

Hi Dorigami,

I didn't realize it was you on this list. I attempted to write to you
a couple of weeks ago but I unsubscribed temporarily as I went to
Prague for a couple of weeks. They returned my response as I was no
longer on the list. Well, I'll be monitoring the list now and look
forward to your contributions.

See you at the convention. ---Hope to see others, whose comments I've
been reading, there too.

Rachel Katz





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Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 22:09:29 -0300 (ADT)
From: mandrk@pb.net
Subject: Re: Bases

> Date:          Sun, 19 May 1996 19:19:56 -0300 (ADT)
> Reply-to:      origami-l@nstn.ca
> From:          "J. Jernigan" <jjernign@niia.net>
> To:            Multiple recipients of list <origami-l@nstn.ca>
> Subject:       Bases

> Many have written that they started with a classic base, and then they
> did something, or they made up a variation of a base.  Now,
> unfortunately, I didn't follow the writings on the details of who owns
> what when it comes to diagrams, but can somebody do 1 of 3 things:  1:
> Send me diagrams of the classic bases,  2: Direct me to a page where I
> can find that, or 3: Tell me a book that has them in it.
>
Almost every origami book features the common bases near the
beginning of the book. They usually follow a page on origami symbols.
The convention annuals also show the common bases. The older ones do
it in more detail. I believe origami USA has exerpted all the helpful
information for beginners and published them as a separate book.

The "Conmon bases included in the 1995 Annual Collection are:
  Kite Base
  Fish Base
  Waterbomb Base
  Preliminary Base
  Bird Base
  Frog Base-Lily Base
  Windmill Base
  Stretched Bird Base
  Blintzed Bird Base
See books by John Montroll for a whole other world of Origami from
his own bases.

Any questions, e-mail me and I'll be glad to help.>
>
>                                           John
>    Rachel Katz





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Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 22:13:28 -0300 (ADT)
From: Eric Andersen <Eric_Andersen@brown.edu>
Subject: origami around the world!

        Hi everyone! For the first time yesterday I ran a perl script which
emailed me the logs for my origami page on Friday...wow, what a diverse set
of IP addresses! Besides the few from Brown and various other colleges
across the country, there were people viewing from aol, prodigy, compuserve,
earthlink, and many other providers here in the U.S.
        But the amount of international traffic I got was what was really
cool...in just one day I had hits from Canada, the UK, Spain, France,
Mexico, Argentina, Japan, India, Germany, Denmark, the Netherlands, Hungary,
Turkey, Italy, Sweden, Finland, Iceland, Australia, and Brunei!!! Wow, the
population of Brunei is less than a third of the population of Rhode
Island...I wonder if it was the Sultan himself???

-Eric  :-P

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
      A                   A
     /|\            \    /|\
    / | \            \\ / | \ /7\            /-\.
   /__|__\            \/__|__\/            a miniature
   \  |  /             \_/ \_/               Kawahata
    \ | /             Flapping                stegosaurus
     \|/                bird
      V                       Eric Andersen   origami@brown.edu
  Bird Base             http://www.netspace.org/~ema/origami.html
 Origami Fantasy Page: netspace.org/~ema/origami/fantasy/fantasy.html





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Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 22:20:32 -0300 (ADT)
From: slider@ims.mariposa.ca.us (Pat Slider)
Subject: Re: yosemite

>Pat!  Speaking of great topics - are you in Yosemite?  My favorite place on
>earth?  I have to know!!!

Actually, we live about an hour outside of the park near a small town
called Mariposa, but you know how people like to lay claim to great places.
The realtors here like to say that "Yosemite is Mariposa's backyard."

I have been meaning to get to the park soon. The heavy rains last week have
melted quantities of snow at the higher elevations, flooding the Merced
River and closing some campgrounds and the El Portal entrance. So I have
been thinking that all the falls must be spectacular right now, and the
crowds down due to publicity about the entrance closing.

Guessing from the state of the wildflower season here, the valley is
probably getting shooting stars and baby blue eyes....my favorites.

I keep thinking that there is plenty to inspire new origami models in the
Sierra Nevada, if I can only reach that level of understanding folding :->.

pat slider
slider@yosemite.net





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Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 23:49:23 -0300 (ADT)
From: Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>
Subject: Re: origami around the world!

On Mon, 20 May 1996, Eric Andersen wrote:

>         But the amount of international traffic I got was what was really
> cool...in just one day I had hits from Canada, the UK, Spain, France,
> Mexico, Argentina, Japan, India, Germany, Denmark, the Netherlands, Hungary,
> Turkey, Italy, Sweden, Finland, Iceland, Australia, and Brunei!!! Wow, the
> population of Brunei is less than a third of the population of Rhode
> Island...I wonder if it was the Sultan himself???

Hmm...and if it were the Sultan, did he go from my page to yours or vice
versa? Here's the relavent line from my log summary:

             Sites Connected          Pages Accessed
          ---------------------   ---------------------
Domain      Total     per Day       Total     per Day     Country
------    ---------  ----------   --------- ----------    -------
bn           1         0.1          32         4.5      BRUNEI DARUSSALAM

The ones that interest me are the Eastern European ones. Estonia, Latvia,
Slovenia, Slovakia? And who's the guy in Bahrain? 8)

Joseph Wu  <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>  <http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/jwu/origami.html>
Approach life like a voyage on a schooner. Enjoy the view. Explore the vessel.
Make friends with the Captain. Fish a little. And then get off when you get
Home.                                                     --Max Lucado





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Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 01:00:32 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Na. (NAKANISHI Ken-ichi)" <nakanish@pd.scei.sony.co.jp>
Subject: Homepage & Diagrams

Hello again,

Accidentally I'd dropped off from this list these two weeks.  I
regret it because we just moved Origami Tanteidan Homepage to
publicly announceable site.

        http://www.ask.or.jp/~origami/t/

It is also discussed in Tanteidan how much we should provide
photos and diagrams of models and what and how we should charge.
There are some agents to deal electric commerce, but I don't know
how anybody can pay a small fee such as postal cost to us in
reasonable fee for the agent on line.

Some weeks ago there was discussion about CD-ROM containing origami
diagrams.  Charging to passwords for each of favorite diagrams
seems to be better than charging to whole of a book containing
diagrams unattractive for purchasers.  We also discussed if we
can apply this way into our homepage, but some of us worry if
only one purchaser pay for key and announce it on the network.
Much difficult.

--
nakanish@pd.scei.sony.co.jp (NAKANISHI Ken-ichi, not Kenichi Nakanishi)





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Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 01:50:30 -0300 (ADT)
From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@empnet.com>
Subject: Re: yosemite

At 10:21 PM 5/20/96 -0300, you wrote:
>
>>Pat!  Speaking of great topics - are you in Yosemite?  My favorite place on
>>earth?  I have to know!!!
>
>Actually, we live about an hour outside of the park near a small town
>called Mariposa, but you know how people like to lay claim to great places.
>The realtors here like to say that "Yosemite is Mariposa's backyard."

Are you near the Mariposa Grove?  I once lived in Manteca for about 2 years
and used to visit clients in Sonora and Groveland often.

>I have been meaning to get to the park soon. The heavy rains last week have
>melted quantities of snow at the higher elevations, flooding the Merced
>River and closing some campgrounds and the El Portal entrance. So I have
>been thinking that all the falls must be spectacular right now, and the
>crowds down due to publicity about the entrance closing.

The first time I ever saw Yosemite was right after a heavy winter and the
falls were so full they arced away from the cliff sides.  I'll never forget it.

>Guessing from the state of the wildflower season here, the valley is
>probably getting shooting stars and baby blue eyes....my favorites.
>
>I keep thinking that there is plenty to inspire new origami models in the
>Sierra Nevada, if I can only reach that level of understanding folding :->.
>
Let me know if you come up with any ideas - hey, here's one: I challenge you
to an Origami half-dome model!  (Does the challenger have to be able to do it?)

Can't wait to hear what you come up with.

Steve Woodmansee , Bend Oregon
USA
(Stevew@empnet.com)





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Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 02:29:03 -0300 (ADT)
From: kevin !! <prank@leland.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Re: Templates?

In answer to your query about templates...

Any person that has access to a LaserCAMM or a computerized milling
machine can make an infinite number of templates accurate to within two
1/1000ths of an inch; just input squares, triangle, circles, or what have
you, and away you go!

With a CNC, you can use almost any material, metal or plastic, but if you
want plastic templates the best bet is a LaserCAMM.  This device will cut
all types of plastic with a laser, to "real accurate."  Then the main cost
is the material, which comes to about $1 a pound in "leftover" bins to
much less at wholesale or discount material stores.  By material I mean
Lexan, acrylic (or plexiglass), ABS, PET, G-10... all of various colors.

I will admit that getting a LaserCAMM is on the expensive side, but
consider this: after selling "just" 2000 template sets you will have made
your money back (with profit!)!   This number is orders of magnitude less
if you simply buy machine time...

For example, for $10 you could get square templates of various sizes, up
templates: a template for two different squares on a single piece of
material to bring the cost of material down:

        __________
        | ______ |     an "outer" template
        | |    | |
        | |    | |     and
        | |____| |
        |________|     an "inner" template

The left-over inner piece (template-hole?) could be used for further
templates of different square sizes (smaller, of course).

LaserCAMM.  It's fast.  It's easy.  And it just may save your life.

Just a thought.

--Kevin

(I don't have any association with the LaserCAMM people, but I do like
their product...)





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Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 08:58:13 -0300 (ADT)
From: Nick Robinson <nick@homelink.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: origami.com ???

Eric Andersen <Eric_Andersen@brown.edu> sez
>A domain name is a name that can be used as a World Wide Web site
>(http://www.origami.com) or as an FTP or gopher site, and a few other
>things. As I mentioned they're getting harder and harder to come by.

I agree - I've jsut rented some web space for my brothers CD company,
RPM records. The name is grabbed in the States by a record *shop*, but
we've grabbed the .co.uk version. The BOS web site will move there
within a couple of weeks. Can I express my public appreciation for the
efforts of Alex Bateman in maintaining it at his Uni site.

cheers,

Nick Robinson
nick@homelink.demon.co.uk

***Origami is Sharing, not Selling***

Turnpike evaluation. For information, see http://www.turnpike.com/





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Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 09:02:37 -0300 (ADT)
From: Nick Robinson <nick@homelink.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Homepage & Diagrams

"Na. (NAKANISHI Ken-ichi)" <nakanish@pd.scei.sony.co.jp> sez
>It is also discussed in Tanteidan how much we should provide
>photos and diagrams of models and what and how we should charge.

Why not just make them downloadable? This would cut out the hassle of
mailing, but they would then be "free". I would support this, since
that's how all other ori sites operate. As a post-script (pun), why not
make them available in PS, Acrobat & gif format so people can choose
their favourite?

cheers,

Nick Robinson
nick@homelink.demon.co.uk

***Origami is Sharing, not Selling***

Turnpike evaluation. For Turnpike information, mailto:info@turnpike.com





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Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 09:06:28 -0300 (ADT)
From: Nick Robinson <nick@homelink.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: John S. Smith please respond

Hamilton Edmund Link <hamlink@cs.uoregon.edu> sez

>jon.pur@paston.co.uk

Try Jon.pure@paston.co.uk - pure as in pureland....

cheers,

Nick Robinson
nick@homelink.demon.co.uk

***Origami is Sharing, not Selling***

Turnpike evaluation. For Turnpike information, mailto:info@turnpike.com





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Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 10:43:52 -0300 (ADT)
From: Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com
Subject: listserv hints

Marc Kirshenbaum replied to Dorigami's query:
>>If your mail
gets sent to you as an origami-l posting, you can be sure the rest of the
list is receiving them to. If for some reason you were accidently
unsubscribed, your mail will be sent back, with a message saying to the
effect that you have to be a member of origami-l to send postings.<<

You can set your subscription to the mailing list four different ways:
1) You receive all postings including your own.  (set origami-l mail ack)
2) You receive all postings except your own. (set origami-l mail noack)
3) You receive no postings. (set origami-l mail postpone)
4) You receive all postings as digest messages (set origami-l mail digest)

You can change your mail setting by sending the one line message in
parentheses to listserver@nstn.ca. Turn off you sig file if you use one.

This information and more can be found by sending the message "help"

Happy folding!
Lisa
Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com





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Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 10:51:49 -0300 (ADT)
From: juancarlos <jlondono@calima.ciat.cgiar.org>
Subject: ORIGAMI STAMPS

Hi:

I was going thru my things and voil=E1 I found my old stamps collection. I
found three nice Spanish stamps (the same one different price) which have a
paper airplane printed.=20

I wonder if you know more origami stamsp. I like to trade it!!!!!

On the other hand I'm finished to upgade my origami homepage  in spanish
which include new pictures. You are welcome!

Juancarlos
http://www.ciat.cgiar.org/~jclondono/stamps.html     >just the stamp <
http://www.ciat.cgiar.org/~jclondono/origami.html





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Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 11:12:17 -0300 (ADT)
From: Rjlang@aol.com
Subject: Re: yosemite

> >>Pat!  Speaking of great topics - are you in Yosemite?...
> Let me know if you come up with any ideas - hey, here's one: I challenge
you
> to an Origami half-dome model!  (Does the challenger have to be able to do
it?)

Gotta point out here that in Origami USA's Annual Convention 2 years ago (I
think), you can find instructions for my "Rock Climber on the Wall". Start
with a big enough sheet of paper, and you can fold the "wall" into Half Dome.
Take your pick of routes (my favorite's the Snake Dike on the Southwest
Face).

Robert Lang





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Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 11:18:34 -0300 (ADT)
From: jfryer@lib.ursinus.edu
Subject: RE: listserv hints

Lisa wrote:
> You can set your subscription to the mailing list four different ways:
> 1) You receive all postings including your own.  (set origami-l mail ack)
> 2) You receive all postings except your own. (set origami-l mail noack)
            etc.
> This information and more can be found by sending the message "help"
> to listserver@nstn.ca.

I haven't requested the "help" message for several years, but my information
is that  ack   generates an acknowledgement that the listserv has received
your post and will distribute it;  noack   turns the function off.
To receive a copy of my own posts when everyone else received it, I use the
command   repro    and turn it off with  norepro.  I use both and receive
an automated confirmation almost immediately, and at some future time I
receive a copy of my post.

                              Judith
                              jfryer@lib.ursinus.edu





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Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 11:24:31 -0300 (ADT)
From: casida@ere.umontreal.ca (Casida Mark)
Subject: Re: armadillo

Robert Maldonado wrote,

> Thanks.  Oh, I just folded Wu's Armadillo yesterday.
> Beautiful model.

Hmmm... I've folded this one a couple of times before and always
seemed to wind up with a somewhat crumpled mess.  What paper did
you use?  Do you have any hints to give about the steps after
the model becomes 3 dimensional?

                                   ... Mark

--
*-------------------------------------------------------*
|          Mark E. Casida                               |
|          e-mail: casida@chimcn.umontreal.ca           |





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Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 11:24:50 -0300 (ADT)
From: David Work <davwork@sosinc.net>
Subject: Re: no mail

I have been with this group for about 4 months, and this seems like a good
time to ask.  What is the best paper to use when folding.  Is there
different papers for different models?

I have seen discussions about paper but not in this area.

David Work
davwork@sosinc.net





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Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 11:37:15 -0300 (ADT)
From: "NIGEL POTTLE, TEACHER-LIBRARIAN, WOODLANDS ELEM. SCHOOL"@Owl.nstn.ca
Subject: Re: listserv hints

I have always wanted to use the "postpone" or nomail function of the
Origami list for those times when I am on holiday. Lisa mentioned the
postpone function, but how do you get back on when you return?

Nigel Pottle
npottle@cbe.ab.ca





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Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 12:12:29 -0300 (ADT)
From: Brett <BrettAndJill@OIA.Net>
Subject: Re: armadillo

At 10:05 AM 5/21/96 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Robert Maldonado wrote,
>
>> Thanks.  Oh, I just folded Wu's Armadillo yesterday.
>> Beautiful model.
>
>Hmmm... I've folded this one a couple of times before and always
>seemed to wind up with a somewhat crumpled mess.  What paper did
>you use?  Do you have any hints to give about the steps after
>the model becomes 3 dimensional?
>
>                                   ... Mark

I used regular Kami a pastel color (pastel colors seem more pliable for
shaping).  I only folded it once.  I came out kinda FAT, and maybe a little
to long.  I guess the next time I fold it I will make the pleats a little
deeper.

Off the armadillo for a sec;

How often does everyone complete a model on the first try that actually
looks presentable ?  Models with interesting or different or difficult
steps, such as the armadillo ?

Brett
BrettAndJill@OIA.Net





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Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 12:32:44 -0300 (ADT)
From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@empnet.com>
Subject: Re: yosemite

At 11:13 AM 5/21/96 -0300, you wrote:
>> >>Pat!  Speaking of great topics - are you in Yosemite?...
>> Let me know if you come up with any ideas - hey, here's one: I challenge
>you
>> to an Origami half-dome model!  (Does the challenger have to be able to do
>it?)
>
>Gotta point out here that in Origami USA's Annual Convention 2 years ago (I
>think), you can find instructions for my "Rock Climber on the Wall". Start
>with a big enough sheet of paper, and you can fold the "wall" into Half Dome.
>Take your pick of routes (my favorite's the Snake Dike on the Southwest
>Face).
>
>Robert Lang
>
I might have known.  Guess I'll have to pick something less famous for the
next challenge.

Steve Woodmansee , Bend Oregon
USA
(Stevew@empnet.com)





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Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 12:39:43 -0300 (ADT)
From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@empnet.com>
Subject: Re: ORIGAMI STAMPS

At 10:52 AM 5/21/96 -0300, you wrote:
>Hi:
>
>I was going thru my things and voil=E1 I found my old stamps collection. I
>found three nice Spanish stamps (the same one different price) which have a
>paper airplane printed.=20
>
>I wonder if you know more origami stamsp. I like to trade it!!!!!
>
>On the other hand I'm finished to upgade my origami homepage  in spanish
>which include new pictures. You are welcome!
>
>
>Juancarlos
>http://www.ciat.cgiar.org/~jclondono/stamps.html     >just the stamp <
>http://www.ciat.cgiar.org/~jclondono/origami.html
>
>
        Hola Juan!  I saw your posting on the Origami list.  In it, you
invited anyone who was interested to your upgraded home page, which is in
Spanish, I believe.  Correct so far?
        I very much want to improve my Spanish and also love Origami.  Would you
be willing to put up with my beginner's Espanol and my many mistakes?  (At
least it will be in writing - you won't have to correct me on my accent!).
        Diga me si esta es bueno...?es correcto?!

Steve Woodmansee , Bend Oregon
USA
(Stevew@empnet.com)





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Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 13:05:11 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Homepage & Diagrams

Nick Robinson writes:
<< why not
make them available in PS, Acrobat & gif format so people can choose
their favourite?>>

Speaking mainly for myself, I have been trying to determine
the most accessible format for the majority of users, since
I have limited Web Page storage space. Other folks may not
have to worry about it. Also, I find that my diagrams are
usually too detailed to use the GIF format, which is mainly
intended for screen display at standard resolution of
640x480, which gets you about 2 square inches of a 300dpi
CAD output drawing. Printed GIF files lose a great deal of
information. PDF loses NO information; files print at the
original resolution, colors, fonts etc., while still displaying
well, and can be "manufactured" from Postscript files. This
is why I'm currently leaning toward Acrobat PDF files. In
addition, support for direct access/display of PDF in the
popular Web browsers is already underway...

--valerie
Valerie Vann
75070.304@compuserve.com





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Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 13:49:44 -0300 (ADT)
From: DLister891@aol.com
Subject: ORU

ORU can be bought direct fro the publishers, as follows:

           Sojusha Inc.
           DIK  Koishikawa  405
           2 - 3 - 28   Koishikawa
           Bunkyo - ku,  Tokyo  112
          Japan

The cost is somewhat complicated and depends on where you live and how many
copies you want. The prices in May, 1993 (and so far as I know, they still
apply, because they did in January 1996) were as follows:

Magazine Price              1  copy              2  copies      3copies
     4copies
                                     Y2,060              Y4,120
        Y6,180        Y2,080

Postage (SAL)                1copy                2copies        3copies
      4copies

Asia and Oceania            Y640                 Y1,120          Y1,600
       Y2,080

Middle East                      Y780                 Y1,380           Y1,980
       Y2,580
North and Central
America

Europe                            Y920                  Yi,640
           Y2,360        Y3,080
Africa
South America

Payment is requested by Postal Money Order in Japanese Yen only, and price
and postage must be sent with the order.

There is no doubt that ORU is expensive. It is also written entirely in
Japanese, except for one or two Western names, and occasionally the title of
a section will be given in English. But the illlustrations are superb and
many people think that ORU is not only worth the price, but is one of the
really indispensible publications in the world of Origami.

I, myself, have met a serious difficulty in making payment. I have found to
my surprise that overseas money orders are no longer available from the
British Post Office, and, overseas postal orders (which are really
appropriate only for small payments) are obtainable, but are not accepted in
Japan!  When I asked what I should do in these circumstances, I was advised
to obtain a bank draft in Yen.

It so happens that I make fairly frequent purchases, abroad, mainly of books,
and payment by bank draft in the currency of the payee is my normal method of
payment. Currency conversion charges are paid by me , and, after a wait of a
day or two, my bank issues me with a bank draft in the requisite currencey,
payable to the payee and drawn on a bank in the payee's country. For those
unfamiliar with these things, a draft is merely a cheque (or check in the
American spelling) of which the signatory is a bank.

I have previously sent bank drafts in payment for ORU. The first two times,
there was no problem. However, when I sent my payment in January,, I received
a letter asking me to pay in future by Postal Order in Japanese Yen, because,
with payment by bank draft, a charge for exchange is very expensive. They
said they had paid the bank charge of Y1,500, "But only this time".

I am somewhat put out by this. My bank draft was exactly like a cheque drawn
in Yen in Japan. The money was already changed into Yen. It was payable by a
bank in Japan. So where did the charge for exchange come in? Perhaps I am
being uncharitable , but I suspect that some banks  deliberately and
unjustifiably charge excessively in foreign money transactions where they
think they can get away with it. If you're in business and paying large sums
in the hundreds or thousands of pounds or dollars, then bank charges are a
trivial addition. But for small payments they are are real problem..

Unless ORU or their bank will concede that an error has been made, the only
solution is for me to contine to pay by bank draft, but to add a further
Y1,500 to my draft to cover the bank charges demanded, whatever they are for.

Of course, if you can find a shop or dealer who imports ORU, you can save
yourself all this trouble. But you will find that the shop will have paid
charges, too, and added this and their own profit to the price. The best
thing is to find a friend in Japan to buy and send the money, but you will
still have to pay him or her, unless you can arrange a swap for some books
published in your own country. It can be done, but it isn't easy.

Increasingly firms in Europe and America will accept payment by credit card
by post and undoubtedly, this is the cheapest and easiest method. Excange
fees and charges are minimal.  But sadly, it doesn't appear to apply yet to
Japan. even though their bigger shops accept credit cardfrom personal
shoppers.

So what am I to do? Are there any others with experience in these matters, or
who can give any advice?

David Lister..





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Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 14:28:48 -0300 (ADT)
From: slider@ims.mariposa.ca.us (Pat Slider)
Subject: Re: yosemite

>>> Let me know if you come up with any ideas - hey, here's one: I challenge
>>you
>>> to an Origami half-dome model!  (Does the challenger have to be able to do
>>it?)
>>
>>Gotta point out here that in Origami USA's Annual Convention 2 years ago (I
>>think), you can find instructions for my "Rock Climber on the Wall". Start
>>with a big enough sheet of paper, and you can fold the "wall" into Half Dome.
>>Take your pick of routes (my favorite's the Snake Dike on the Southwest
>>Face).
>>
>>Robert Lang
>>
>I might have known.  Guess I'll have to pick something less famous for the
>next challenge.
>
>

Well, now I know which OUSA annual to buy first....I was about to pick one
out by the page count :->.

Actually, seems to me that there could be a lot of different versions of
half dome, just like there are millions of photographs. (My favorite one so
far is called "Two Half-Domes" and consists of a picture of Half-Dome in
the background and one of those bear-proof yosemite trash cans in the
foreground. Afraid I can't remember the photographer's name.)

How about some models of the Three Brothers and Bridalveil Falls? Feel like
these are just at my fingertips (so to speak)...simple models of course
:->. Now a real challenge would be El Capitan....I'm not even sure it is
possible.

Perhaps I shouldn't advertise a great idea like this, but I have been
thinking that a "Yosemite origami book" would sell great in the park. Think
of all those millions of international tourists with time on their hands.
And knowing the gift shops, a book like this would be prominently
displayed. Definitely a lot of possibilities for models too....

pat slider
slider@yosemite.net

Non-origami Content:

> Are you near the Mariposa Grove?

Mariposa is an hour outside the El Portal entrance, at the intersection of
highways 49 and 140. It is an old mining town, home of John C. Fremont's
land grant and mine. The creek here was named by the Spanish long ago after
seeing a large number of butterflies (at least that is the story). Mariposa
used to be the center of Mariposa county, which used to extend down to L.A.
Now when Galen Clark discovered the grove of Sequoias, he named it after
the county they were in, but Mariposa Grove is a ways from the town. It
lies just inside the Wawona park entrance off of highway 41.





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Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 14:51:03 -0300 (ADT)
From: David Holmes <cm4bcdmh@bs47c.staffs.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: listserv hints

On Tue, 21 May 1996 NIGEL POTTLE, TEACHER-LIBRARIAN, WOODLANDS ELEM.
     SCHOOL@owl.nstn.ca wrote:

> I have always wanted to use the "postpone" or nomail function of the
> Origami list for those times when I am on holiday. Lisa mentioned the
> postpone function, but how do you get back on when you return?
>
> Nigel Pottle
> npottle@cbe.ab.ca
>
I used the postpone function while I was at home during Easter.  When I
got back I didn't know what was required to get the server to resume, so
I simply unsubscribed myself and when I'd got confirmation from the server,
I just re-subscribed.  There haven't been any problems so far...

David M Holmes                  cm4bcdmh@bs47c.staffs.ac.uk
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Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 14:55:03 -0300 (ADT)
From: Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com
Subject: Re: listserv hints

>I have always wanted to use the "postpone" or nomail function of the
>Origami list for those times when I am on holiday. Lisa mentioned the
>postpone function, but how do you get back on when you return?
>
>Nigel Pottle
>npottle@cbe.ab.ca

You send one of the other messages to listserver@nstn.ca.
For example, sending the message "set origami-l mail ack" will return
you to the default type of mailing for the list.

Lisa
Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com
(I'm basing this on the "HELP SET" message from the listserver, not
from any actual experience in using these commands. I hope it won't,
but YMMV.)





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Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 14:58:27 -0300 (ADT)
From: David Holmes <cm4bcdmh@bs47c.staffs.ac.uk>
Subject: 1st attempt models

On Tue, 21 May 1996, Brett wrote:

> How often does everyone complete a model on the first try that actually
> looks presentable ?  Models with interesting or different or difficult
> steps, such as the armadillo ?
>
> Brett
> BrettAndJill@OIA.Net
>
Yeah, *right* :)

I sometimes find that I haven't done the creases accurately enough, and I
end up adjusting the creases some way into the model.

Unless, of course, it's your own creation in which case it *always* turns
out right :)

David M Holmes                  cm4bcdmh@bs47c.staffs.ac.uk
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British Origami Society        Association of C & C++ Users





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Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 14:58:18 -0300 (ADT)
From: Douglas Tucker <dhtucker@spdmail.spd.dsccc.com>
Subject: Question regarding Tomoko Fuse's polygon boxes

Greetings to all ORIGAMI-L folks -- this is my de-lurking post!

I've been working through Tomoko Fuse's book "Origami Boxes", and I'm
particularly taken with her pattern for a hexagonal box lid.  She
suggests attempting to derive the other polygons as well.  So far I've
managed her hexagon, and extrapolated the octogon on my own.  I even
created my own bottom-box to match (I didn't like the bottom-box in
the book, fudging the paper size).

My question:  Can anyone tell me how to set the fold angles for some
               of the other regular polygons?

Her diagrams demonstrate how to derive the hexagon's 60-degree angle
(bisected, of course, to form two vertical walls 120-degrees apart).
Bisecting a 45-degree angle made the octogon easy enough. The dodecagon
and hexadecagon I can see -- simply bisect the angles derived for the
hexagon and octagon.  But what about the angles required to make the
pentagon (72-degrees), septagon (51.4-degrees), nonagon (40-degrees),
and decagon (36-degrees)?  How can I fold/bisect these exotic angles
(or fold the bisections directly) with the level of precision required
to get all the pieces to fit correctly into a polygon?
--
Doug Tucker, aka dhtucker@spd.dsccc.com (DSC Communications Corp.)
"I'm not sure I speak for myself, much less DSC"





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Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 15:04:42 -0300 (ADT)
From: jfryer@lib.ursinus.edu
Subject: Re: listserv hints

When you want to reverse the "postpone" feature, simply set it to
mail or digest, and you're back on the list.
                                 jfryer@lib.ursinus.edu
