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Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 18:24:19 -0300 (ADT)
From: unhinged@yrkpa.kias.com
Subject: Re: The best origami book ever?

Any chance someone could arrange to "deliver" a coet91 to this year's
convention?  I wouldn't mind reserving one if I could duck shipping and
just pay for the book when I arrive in NYC.

Rob

On Sat, 11 May 1996, Nick Robinson wrote:

> Please forward this message (unchanged) to *any* groups, newsgroups or
> individuals or magazines that you think might have an interest. These
> could cover maths, health, education, crafts, philosophy, history &
> probably lots more. If you could let me know which newsgroups you have
> covered, it will help prevent accusations of spamming! The BOS feels it
> is vital that this book gains a wider readership, so please, do your
> best!
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Nick Robinson
>
>   ***** COET '91 - Convention on Origami in Education & Therapy *****
>
> Where do you start with what may be the most important origami book in
> the last 10 years? Perhaps by saying what it is not;
>
> It isn't a collection of diagrams, although there are many unpublished
> designs within It isn't a set of dry theoretical papers, although there
> is plenty of theory and new insights It isn't an evenings reading - the
> 461 pages are enough to keep you going for months.
>
> 1991 saw the first international Convention on Origami in Education &
> Therapy, better known as COET. Speakers from around the globe gave talks
> on how they employ origami as a powerful educational tool as well as in
> therapy and rehabilitation. The entire meeting was painstakingly
> transcribed and has been published by the BOS so that others can share
> in this knowledge.
>
> Speakers included Saburo Kase, Micheal Shall, Thoki Yenn, Paul Jackson,
> Marieke de Hoop, John Smith, the Froebel Institute and many others. The
> limited edition epic is now available to origami enthusiasts everywhere
> and is a rich source of fascinating and practical information.
>
> So what do you get for your money?  The following are *brief*
> highlights!
>
> The life and philosophy of Friedrich Froebel, including 26 pages of his
> classic "Index of folding"
> Modular origami for molecular models
> Understanding geometry through folding including proof of Pythagorus'
> theorem and trisection of an angle
> Micheal Shalls' guide to teaching origami
> Paul Jacksons' one-crease workshop
> Gay Gross's guide to origami in the classroom
> Teaching origami as mathematics including creating golden/silver
> rectangles and achieving attainment targets - many folded examples
> Paperfolding and education in history
> Florence Temkos' paperfolding in schools
> Over 50 unpublished & rare designs to fold
> Teaching the blind by Master Saburo Kase
> Origami & children with educational/learning difficulties
> Origami as a diagnostic test
> Folding with visually impaired students
> Origami & therapy
> Folding for the hearing impaired
> Thoki Yenn's wonderful "Origami & Sanity"
> Origami with severely handicapped children
> Origami in prison
> Origami & rheumatism
> Origami as social rehabilitation
> Paperfolding in St. Petersburg
> A 22 page bibliography of books in this area
>
> Plus lots more! The published price is 25.00 but the book is available
> via the Internet to BOS members at 19.00 and 22.00 for non-members. All
> prices in UK pounds. Bulk discount (5 or more) can be negotiated.
> Postage of the 2kg(!) book to your door is as follows;
>
>      Europe/World       7.00 (non-members) 5.00 (members)
>      United Kingdom     4.00 (non-members) 3.00 (members)
>
> Payment is by Money Order, Cheque or any other *standard* forms of
> payment made payable to the BRITISH ORIGAMI SOCIETY.  If you prefer to
> pay directly to our Bank you will need to quote the following details.
>
> BANK                    Barclays Bank plc.
> BRANCH                  Sawston
> SORTING CODE            20-74-05
> ACCOUNT NAME            British Origami Society.
> ACCOUNT NUMBER          10204404
>
> To order your copy, please send a letter & payment to the address below.
> Write as clearly as possible & include your e-mail address. Remember
> that stocks are limited and this book is unlikely to be re-published, so
> make sure you order now! The book makes an ideal and unique present for
> any of your origami friends and we can post the book to whoever you
> choose. Send your order to;
>
> Nick Robinson,
> 182 Mountview Road,
> Norton Lees
> Sheffield S8 8PL
> England.
> nick@homelink.demon.co.uk
>
>
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Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 20:47:26 -0300 (ADT)
From: DBSH47B@prodigy.com (MRS. JANET J HAMILTON)
Subject: Re: Welcome to clueless

-- [ From: Janet Hamilton * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --

>         On Alex Barber's exellent web page I noticed that he added a
new
> feature of some diagrams from the origami-l archives.  I was
wondering if
>  anybody knew where that was?

Origami-l Archive ftp://rugcis.rug.nl/





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Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 21:15:35 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: File Format Poll & Info

I'd appreciate some input from list members on the subject
of graphics file formats for origami diagrams.

I've been using Postscript as the main format for my diagrams,
for the following reasons:

1. All drawing and CAD programs on all platforms support Postscript
printers, and allow output of the Postscript to a file instead of
directly to a printer.

2. My diagrams usually are too complex for bitmapped file formats
like JPEG and GIF. Postscript output from CAD drawings is a vector
format, which will scale, while bitmapped (pixel) formats don't
scale well.

3. Freeware/shareware programs such as Ghostscript are avoilable
for most platforms to enable printing Postscript files on
non-Postscript printers such as HPLaserJets.

4. Postscript files (uncompressed) are plain ASCII text files,
making them easy to transfer as an email attachment without
encoding on either end.

However, lately I've become attracted to the PDF (Portable
Document Format) associated with Adobe Systems' Acrobat
Reader. (Adobe is the inventor-owner of the Postscript
language, essentially an interpreted programming language.
Postscript printers license the interpretation software
from Adobe.)

Acrobat Reader is a program available from Adobe for free. It enables
you to view PDF files on screen and print them on any good quality
printer, Postscript or non-Postscript. PDF files can include color,
graphics, desktop publishing quality formatting, etc.

PDF files, (for a variety of platforms:DOS, Windows, MAC, Unix),
are made by a suite of programs from Adobe: Exchange, Writer, and
Distiller. Writer is essentially a printer driver, a program that
acts like a printer, but creates a PDF file instead of printing.
Exchange allows you to edit, combine, etc PDF files, and add
hyperlinks. The current version supports QuickTime movies in
PDF docs, hyperlinks within PDF docs, and Web hyperlinks to
Web sites. (Other plugins are under development.)  PDF documents
are ideal for electronic publishing online or on CDROM.

The basic commercial Exchange package includes Exchange and Writer.
(note: ONLY Acrobat Reader is free). The more expensive Professional
Exchange package inscludes Distiller, which is a program that can
make PDF files from Postscript files.

Alex Barber has used Distiller to convert many of the Postscript
files from the origami-L archive. The hitch - until recently -
was that the Pro version of Exchange with Distiller was very
expensive, over $500US. A month or so ago the price dropped
under $400, and I began to think about it. Now however, with
a new version in the works, the Pro package is just under $200.
It includes Exchange, Distiller, Writer, and a program for
indexing PDF docs for full text search, plus a CDROM with
all the distributable versions of Acrobat Reader 2.1 for DOS,
MAC, Windows and several flavors of Unix. The Quicktime movie
and Weblink plug-ins are also included.

So I'm thinking of switching to PDF as the main file format
for diagrams for my Web site. PDF files would be for download,
not on-Web viewing, but unlike postscript, once downloaded to
your system they can be both viewed and printed using Acrobat Reader.

I'd appreciate the reactions of origami-L members: do you have
access to a Postscript printer? If not, do you have trouble running
Ghostscript or other Postscript translators for printing
Postscript files? Do you now have/use Adobe Acrobat Reader
for your particular platform? Would PDF files be more
accessible to you than Postscript?

--valerie
Valerie Vann
75070.304@compuserve.com





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Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 21:28:03 -0300 (ADT)
From: Steve Arlow <yorick@conch.aa.msen.com>
Subject: Re: File Format Poll & Info

>I'd appreciate some input from list members on the subject
>of graphics file formats for origami diagrams.  [...]

Postscript is fine by me, about as universal as you can get.
Acrobat is becoming more widely available all the time,
though, so there would probably be very few people who would
be cut off by a switch to PDF, and maybe even a few people
who would gain access.  I'd suggest keeping both Adobe
formats for an interim period, and see how things go.

  -- Steve Arlow

--
 "Your dog stuffs his tongue up your nose.   |  Steve Arlow, Yorick Software
  It's a good omen.  You press on."          |  39336 Polo Club Dr. #103,
     -- Bernie E. Mireault, in _The JAM..._  |  Farmington Hills, MI  48335
            (.sig contest has been won)      |  http://www.msen.com/~yorick





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Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 21:46:37 -0300 (ADT)
From: PamGotcher@aol.com
Subject: Re: File Format Poll & Info

In a message dated 96-05-11 20:28:41 EDT, you write:

>
>I'd appreciate the reactions of origami-L members: do you have
>access to a Postscript printer? If not, do you have trouble running
>Ghostscript or other Postscript translators for printing
>Postscript files? Do you now have/use Adobe Acrobat Reader
>for your particular platform? Would PDF files be more
>accessible to you than Postscript?
>
>--valerie
>Valerie Vann
>75070.304@compuserve.com

Valerie,
I find PDF files a lot easier to work with.  I was unable to get Ghostscript
to work after downloading it and Ghostview and have no problems with the PDF
files.  I do have Acrobat 2.0.  As a matter of fact, there are a few more
diagrams on the archives that Alex has not yet translated, and I'm looking
for a way to get them moved into PDF myself.
Pam
PamGotcher@aol.com





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Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 21:53:06 -0300 (ADT)
From: "J. Jernigan" <jjernign@niia.net>
Subject: Re: File Format Poll & Info

Valerie Vann wrote:
> I'd appreciate the reactions of origami-L members: do you have
> access to a Postscript printer? If not, do you have trouble running
> Ghostscript or other Postscript translators for printing
> Postscript files? Do you now have/use Adobe Acrobat Reader
> for your particular platform? Would PDF files be more
> accessible to you than Postscript?

I think that PDF is very easy to use.  I can't really state my opinion,
though, because I can never get ghostwriter to work.  When I download, it
sits there and says 1K read, 4K read, etc., then I look at it and I can't
use it.  Would someone please enlighten me on how to use it?

                                 Happy Folding,
                                   John





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Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 22:47:51 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: give them away!

Nick says:
<< What else would you do with them
side from file them in a box? Origami is about sharing....>>

Well, some of us fold weird stuff that nobody wants :-)

And I fold modular ornaments, most of which are too big
to put in a box, so the ceiling is covered with grids and
they hang down in forests... At Christmas I usually make
a few for special people who realize how long it takes
to make some of them. And I rarely make more than one of
somebody else's design (more than one satisfactory one I
mean :-)

--valerie
Valerie Vann
75070.304@compuserve.com





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Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 23:19:21 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: File Format Poll & Info

I think I forgot to mention that the version of Adobe
Acrobat Reader that came with the PRO package is 2.1.
(I also got it earlier from Adobe's web site. However,
the CDROM in the PRO package also included the Quicktime
Movie and WebLink plug-ins.

Thanx to all for the "instant feedback" and keep it coming!
I suspected I wasn't the only one who had trouble with
Ghostscript. I'm fortunate enough to have access to
Postscript printers at work, but at home I have and HP
LaserJet5L (great printer for under $500! even does light
coverstock). PDF files print great on the 5L.

--valerie
Valerie Vann
75070.304@compuserve.com





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Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 01:37:11 -0300 (ADT)
From: Charles Knuffke <knuffke@sirius.com>
Subject: Re: File Format Poll & Info

>I'd appreciate some input from list members on the subject
>of graphics file formats for origami diagrams.
>

I've been using the PDF file format for a while now, and it gets my vote.
The files it creates are not overly large, it prints without a problem, and
a document's multiple pages can be viewed before printing.

The PDF format is also available thru non-Adobe software (I'm pretty sure
that the latest version of Macromedia's Freehand offers PDF as an output
format - And some Origami heavyweights use this program when diagramming
their models).

I got a "free" copy of Distiller when I upgraded to the latest version of
PageMaker. I've been very impressed by the ease of use of this format.

BTW - The IRS now publishes all tax forms in the PDF format for people
wanting to access them thru the internet!

Just my 2=A2...

Regards.

*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
Charles Knuffke       "Amen the Thunderbolt in the Dark Void"
153 Divisadero                                  -Jack Kerouac
San Francisco CA 94104
mailto://knuffke@sirius.com





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Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 02:08:39 -0300 (ADT)
From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@dorsai.dorsai.org>
Subject: Re: File Format Poll & Info

>
> >I'd appreciate some input from list members on the subject
> >of graphics file formats for origami diagrams.
> >

PDF is certainly easier to view and print for those of us who do not have
PostScript printers.

--
Sheldon Ackerman.......http://www.dorsai.org/~ackerman/
ackerman@dorsai.dorsai.org
sheldon.ackerman@nycps.nycenet.edu





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Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 02:12:08 -0300 (ADT)
From: Eric Andersen <Eric_Andersen@brown.edu>
Subject: Origami Fantasy Web Page!

Hi everyone! I just finished folding the stegosaurus from Kawahata's
"Origami Fantasy" today. I've put that and two other models online at:

http://www.netspace.org/~ema/origami/fantasy/fantasy.html

Please let me know what you think (especially the JavaScript, which I don't
plan to leave it there permanently...I just want to know how it turns out on
various browsers...thanks!)

-Eric  :-P

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
      A                   A
     /|\            \    /|\
    / | \            \\ / | \ /7\            /-\.
   /__|__\            \/__|__\/            a miniature
   \  |  /             \_/ \_/               Kawahata
    \ | /             Flapping                stegosaurus
     \|/                bird
      V                       Eric Andersen   origami@brown.edu
  Bird Base             http://www.netspace.org/~ema/origami.html
 Origami Fantasy Page: netspace.org/~ema/origami/fantasy/fantasy.html





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Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 05:48:26 -0300 (ADT)
From: DLister891@aol.com
Subject: Paper and Religion in Japan.

Many thanks to Sheila Davis for pointing out a grave error in my quotation
from p.47 of Dominique Buisson's "The Art of Japanese Paperfolding" in my
contribution to Origami-L yesterday.

The error is mine. Buisson says that Buddhism became established in Japan in
the 6th Century, not, repeat not, in the 16th Century. This date itself may
be debatable, but I think that further dsicussion of the date of the coming
of Buddhism to Japn would not be appropriate here.

Only one digit, but one thousand years out! I really should  have spotted it
and I apologise to everybody. So do errors creep in. Not all are as blatant
as this. The insidious thing about them  is that they are blindly carried
from one writing to another ad infinitum and become crystallised as
incontrovertible truth. Always check your references!

Sheila also asks whether the presence of the monument to the 46/47 devoted
retainers in Tokyo could indicate that the Rokoan temple was situated there.

I think not. The event was an actual historical event, and the facts were
different from those in the play, which was only inspired by what actually
happened. The actual events took place in the Edo (later Tokyo) region beteen
1701 and 1703. The original play on the subject was a puppet play first
performed in 1748. It was subsequently adapted to other styles of Japanese
drama. The whole thing has become a most popular aspect of Japanese
tradition, celebrated in the capital and elsewhere.The Chushingura Orikata
merely illustates  the incident in origami pictures.There is no connection
between the Rokoan temple where the instruction sheet for folding the figures
was printed and the original incident. Incidentally the reason for the
confusion between 46 and 47 loyal retainers is that one of them dropped out
before the dirty (but honourable) deed was accomplished. If some of you are
bewildered by all this, I'm sorry, but a full explanation would be to long.
If there is a general demand, no doubt I can crib from my sources and write a
fuller account.

David Lister.





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Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 05:48:55 -0300 (ADT)
From: DLister891@aol.com
Subject: Red Dwarf

One or two of you have asked if I am the same David Lister as the character
in the television fantasy, "Red Dwarf". I hate to disappoint you, but the
short answer (and, indeed, the long answer) is:  No!

I have only the haziest notion of what  Red Dwarf is about and I am ashamed
(if that is the right word) to say that I have never even seen the programme
on television.

Marcia asks if I am related to the two mycologists  Arthur Lister (1803 -
1906) and Guilielma Lister (1860 - 1949). No, I'm not at all related to them,
fungoid though I may increasingly be becoming. Nor am I related to the really
famous Lister, Joseph, Lord Lister, who in the last century invented
antiseptic surgery. (The antiseptic "Listerine" is named after him.) I cannot
even claim a relationship with the various Listers who manufactured carpets
and oil engines.  My forbears were no more than farmers and butchers.
Subsequently, my branch became shopkeepers selling pottery and china and
later, jewellery, clocks and watches.

It hasn't much to do with origami, but some people may be interested in a
backwater of English history.I once spent a happy two weeks researching my
ancestry. I got back to a Lister who came into Grimsby in 1740 and married a
freeman's daughter, thereby becoming a freeman himself. Where he came from, I
couldn't discover, so I was never able to trace my ancestors back any further
or to find a link with  anyone either famous or infamous. Sixty years later
two of his descendents took it in turns to be Mayor of Grimsby, which was
then, before the Great Reform Act of 1832, one of the most corrupt of rotten
boroughs. The family has lived in Grimsby and the surrounding area ever
since, but I and my younger son Mark are about the only Listers who haven't
wandered off to other parts of the country, and Mark is set to go. We're not
freemen now, because my father was born 100 yards over the boundary into the
neighbouring parish of Cleethorpes. Freemen still receive a share of the
rents from what were the common lands of the Borough of Grimsby, now built
upon and paying substantial rents.

So far as I know, I am the only member of the family to have taken an
interest in paperfolding., I reckon it's been more fun than space travel and
makes up for not receiving any rents. I do, however, have difficulty in
confining my interests to just one subject.

>From another planet,

David





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Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 11:57:47 -0300 (ADT)
From: slider@ims.mariposa.ca.us (Pat Slider)
Subject: Kawahata "Dinosaur Origami" vs "Fantasy"

Does anyone know if the Kawahata book "Dinosaur Origami" (in English!)
contains a subset of the models from his "Origami Fantasy" book? Or are
these simpler models, or....?

See http://fascinating-folds.com/book/dino.html for info on "Dinosaur Origami".

pat slider





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Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 18:32:23 -0300 (ADT)
From: Penny Groom <penny@sector.demon.co.uk>
Subject: British. BOS members going to OUSA convention

If any British members are going to New York could they E-mail me
please, thanks
Penny

Penny Groom
penny@sector.demon.co.uk





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Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 19:45:42 -0300 (ADT)
From: DBSH47B@prodigy.com (MRS. JANET J HAMILTON)
Subject: Re: File Format Poll & Info

-- [ From: Janet Hamilton * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --

> I'd appreciate the reactions of origami-L members: do you have access
to a
> Postscript printer? If not, do you have trouble running Ghostscript
or
> other Postscript translators for printing Postscript files? Do you
now
> have/use Adobe Acrobat Reader for your particular platform? Would PDF
> files be more accessible to you than Postscript?

I don't have a postscript printer at home, but I do at work.  At home I
have had some limited success using ghostscript to view and print PS
files.  Sometimes I can print to my laser (an Okidata OL400), sometimes
to my color inkjet (HP Deskject 450), and sometimes the only recourse
is to bring the file to work and use the real postscript.  I have
downloaded and do use the Acrobat reader - it is very easy to use and I
have not had any trouble with it.

Some questions - are PDF files generally larger or smaller than PS
files for the same graphic?  Are PDF files 'text only' so that they can
be sent through the mail, or do they have to be encoded?  I prefer the
PDF format, can handle most encodings, and don't mind files that are
somewhat larger, but these issues might be important for others.

Janet Hamilton dbsh47b@prodigy.com





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Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 21:51:21 -0300 (ADT)
From: Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>
Subject: Re: Kawahata "Dinosaur Origami" vs "Fantasy"

On Sun, 12 May 1996, Pat Slider wrote:

> Does anyone know if the Kawahata book "Dinosaur Origami" (in English!)
> contains a subset of the models from his "Origami Fantasy" book? Or are
> these simpler models, or....?

No. Dinosaur Origami is the English translation of Kawahata's earlier book,
"Kyoryu no Origami" (same meaning) which is full of intermediate dinosaur
models.

Joseph Wu  <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>  <http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/jwu/origami.html>
Approach life like a voyage on a schooner. Enjoy the view. Explore the vessel.
Make friends with the Captain. Fish a little. And then get off when you get
Home.                                                     --Max Lucado





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Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 22:43:16 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: File Format Poll & Info

Update on PDF files:

I installed the Acrobat Exchange/Distiller PDF file-
making software last night and ran Distiller (makes
PDF files from PS/postscript files) on some of the
Postscript files from my Web page. The PDF files are
1/2 to 1/3 the size of the PS files (!!); bearing in
mind that these PS files were straight vector output
from a CAD program (no bitmaps, embedded fonts, etc.)

This is a significant file size reduction for those of
us with limited Web space, and also will reduce download
time for the end users. The Exchange program also will
allow me to combine the multiple pages of output from my
CAD program into a single PDF document, and hopefully to
include photos too.

All of the PDF files were of high enough resolution to
read & fold from (PC running at 800x600 resolution) in
Acrobat Reader 2.1, and printed beautifully on my
HPLaserJet5L; no resolution or "information" loss, as
PDF files retain the info to print at higher resolution
than is possible to display on screen.

The Acrobat Reader 2.1 (widely available for free at
www.adobe.com and various other Web &/or FTP sites)
has some nifty enhancements over the previous versions.
If you haven't updated yet, I recommend it. The Acrobat
Reader also has a thumbnail view mode that shows you a
mini view of the document pages along with the full size.
The user just move a rectangle around on the mini view to
select the part of the page they want to view full size.
This is excellent for navigating origami diagrams, so I've
had Distiller make the thumbnails for my files.

The other good news - and the major reason for the BIG price
drop for the MAC and WIN Acrobat PRO software (the version
with Distiller; form $500us+ to $200us) is that there is
a Beta/Test version for Win95 that is a plug-in for the
Netscape Web browser (I don't use either Win95 or Netscape,
so I haven't tried it). This new version of Acrobat will
allow you to view PDF files on Web sites online, which should
be an enormous improvement over HTML and/or the various Web
graphics formats. This plug-in should also be available
eventually for other major browsers (Microsoft, Mosaic,etc.)

So far the response from the origami-l indicates that many
have had trouble printing Postscript on non-PS printers,
and with Acrobat Reader its a piece of cake. So I'm going
to start switching my Web page diagrams to PDF files.

Keep the comments/reactions coming...
Could you'all let me know also what platform/operating
system you use (MAC, WIN, OS2, a flavor of UNIX, or some
other HeavyMetal OS), whether you currently have the
Acrobat Reader?

--valerie
Valerie Vann
75070.304@compuserve.com





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Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 01:51:08 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jason L Tibbitts III <tibbs@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: Kawahata "Dinosaur Origami" vs "Fantasy"

>>>>> "JW" == Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.ca> writes:

JW> No. Dinosaur Origami is the English translation of Kawahata's earlier
JW> book, "Kyoryu no Origami" (same meaning) which is full of intermediate
JW> dinosaur models.

Oops, and I keep getting this wrong.  Is "Origami Fantasy"'s Japanese title
"Kuusouno Origami".  (My Japanese is pretty bad.)  If so, well, the pun is
pretty bad.  That's what I keep yelling about a hundred steps into the
Ankylosaurus.

(Kuso translates roughly to "excrement".)
--
      Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@uh.edu - 713/743-8684 - 221SR1
System Manager:  University of Houston High Performance Computing Center
                1994 PC800 "Kuroneko"      DoD# 1723





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Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 04:00:24 -0300 (ADT)
From: Nick Robinson <nick@homelink.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: The best origami book ever?

In message <Pine.SUN.3.91.960511172049.22415C-100000@yrkpa.kias.com>,
unhinged@yrkpa.kias.com writes

>Any chance someone could arrange to "deliver" a coet91 to this year's
>convention?  I wouldn't mind reserving one if I could duck shipping and
>just pay for the book when I arrive in NYC.

OUSA has (AFAIK) some copies for sale, but our whole supplies structure
is being held up due to our "COET mountain", so I'm trying to move them
a bit faster. The shame is, if people could only see what a wonderful
book it is, we'd have to reprint it....

cheers,

Nick Robinson
nick@homelink.demon.co.uk

***Origami is Sharing, not Selling***

Turnpike evaluation. For information, see http://www.turnpike.com/





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Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 04:00:47 -0300 (ADT)
From: Nick Robinson <nick@homelink.demon.co.uk>
Subject: ordering COET the easy way

Just in case any of you wanted to order the COET book, but didn't want
the hassle of cheques etc, you can send your credit card number to Penny
Groom (Penny@sector.demon.co.uk) & she will then tell me to post the
book on to you. Please publicise it to your friends!

cheers,

Nick Robinson
nick@homelink.demon.co.uk

***Origami is Sharing, not Selling***

Turnpike evaluation. For Turnpike information, mailto:info@turnpike.com





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Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 04:03:58 -0300 (ADT)
From: Nick Robinson <nick@homelink.demon.co.uk>
Subject: ghostscript

In message <960512000948_75070.304_CHK49-2@CompuServe.COM>, Valerie Vann
<75070.304@compuserve.com> writes

> Freeware/shareware programs such as Ghostscript are avoilable
>for most platforms to enable printing Postscript files

I've recently downloaded the 6 or so files that (apparently) are all you
need, but it gives me wierd error messages when I try to load. The whole
process is so careless - why can't we download a single zip of all
necessary files for a given format? My installation program for Win 3.11
insisted on having a 600k zip file for Win 32 bit, which it then
ignored!

I would argue that gifs etc are not able to handle your complex diagrams
- they are as good as any other, if more bulky for high resolution. I
still await a common file format that can be viewed/printed without
hassle....

cheers,

Nick Robinson
nick@homelink.demon.co.uk

***Origami is Sharing, not Selling***

Turnpike evaluation. For Turnpike information, mailto:info@turnpike.com





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Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 05:02:31 -0300 (ADT)
From: Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>
Subject: Re: convention; free champagne...

On Fri, 10 May 1996, Andrew P Anselmo wrote:

> 2) On a recent flight from Amsterdam to Boston, I folded about 10-15 classic
> models for one of the flight attendants. Totally unsolicited, I got a free
> bottle of champagne for my efforts!

That sort of thing has happened a lot recently (to me, that is). I've had
clusters of flight attendents around my seat both on my way to Hong Kong at
Christmas, and on my way back to Sapporo last week. I don't drink, so they
kept plying me with food. The people sitting with me certainly did
appreciate it! 8)

Yes, (for those who care) I'm back in Japan. A little sad to leave
Vancouver, but happy to be back in Sapporo. The visa is taken care of, and
this time I've brought back a computer! Yes, this means that I'm going to
(finally) resume diagramming. Nagging may resume at this point. 8)

> Hope to see you all at the convention,

Unfortunately, contrary to prior announcements, it's now looking like I
won't be at Convention. But I'm going to try for the SE Origami Festival in
September...

Joseph Wu  <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>  <http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/jwu/origami.html>
Approach life like a voyage on a schooner. Enjoy the view. Explore the vessel.
Make friends with the Captain. Fish a little. And then get off when you get
Home.                                                     --Max Lucado





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Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 13:05:06 -0300 (ADT)
From: Gretchen Klotz <gren@agora.rdrop.com>
Subject: Origami in Dreams

Well, I posted this on Saturday morning, only to find out when I logged in
today (Monday) that I had been unsubscribed from the list (not my doing at
all! go figure) and none of you got to see it.  So now that I'm back on,
here it is...

- Gretchen

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 11:16:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Gretchen Klotz <gren@agora.rdrop.com>
Subject: Origami in Dreams

In the middle of a very intense dream last night, two distinctive origami
heart models made an appearance.  I was curious to know whether I had seen
drawings of them in Francis Ow's book (I only have his first one), but
there wasn't anything like them in it.  I'll describe them to you, and if
anyone knows of any models like this, I'd love a citation!  If not, you're
welcome to try creating them (heaven knows I won't get around to it!).

The first model appeared to be a modular where the units could stand
alone, had variations, and could be combined in a variety of ways (I'm
surmising here -- it was of a piece when I gave it to my mother in the
dream, but of course I am curious and had to ponder the details upon
waking!).  One unit consisted of two hearts side-by-side with another
turned 90 degrees (taking it to 3 dimensions) between them below their
halfway point.  The other module had the two hearts side-by-side with the
third turned 90 degrees appearing *above* the halfway point between them.
The units were linked by the two "middle" hearts that slid into a slot
each had in their center (sorry, not enough detail to tell you how they
locked ;-), creating a sort of "tower" of hearts that radiated from the
center (although with only 2 units it was more of a "cluster").  Somehow I
knew that each set of 3 hearts was a separate module, and that they could
both be folded and combined in a variety of ways.  The units were folded
such that the 2 side-by-side hearts were the same color, but the middle
one was different.

The second heart model reminded me of Rae Cooker's strawberry in that it
was inflated.  I think the inflation hole was between the lobes of the
heart, not at the bottom point.  The heart had a very soft shape and
"feel" to it (not just the texture of the paper; the gestalt was very
tender).

If any of you has seen anything like either of these, I'd love to know
about it!  And if anyone wants to create them, I'd be delighted to see
them.

And for those of you into dream analysis, because of the timing and since
I gave both of these hearts to my mother in the dream, I suppose you could
say it was a metaphor for a Mother's Day gift, but my mom has always
despised this particular holiday.  (It is my tradition to thank her for
having me on *my* birthday, the anniversary of the beginning of all her
hard work... :^)

- Gretchen

--
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Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 13:06:29 -0300 (ADT)
From: vicky@infoarch.COM
Subject: Re- More on Selling models

Re: More on Selling models
5/12/96
11:28 PM

I've been following this thread about selling models and
just wanted to add my 2=A2.  I have had the great fortune to
be able to create some origami as commissioned pieces for ad
agencies or photographers, etc.  For the times that I was
paid, I always made a point to include in my fees a
"creators fee" which is forwarded to the creator of the
models that I used.  This is explained to my client as a
type of "license" fee for the permission to use the model in
a commercial situation. =20

>From my point of view, the creators deserve compensation for
their extraordinary talent of being able to CREATE a model.=20
And the fact is is that they have taken the time, the
efforts, the time and the time to deliver a diagramed book
for us to enjoy.  If you are going to sell a model,
regardless if you charge $5 or $500, a part of that fee
should go to the creator.  If you want to net $5 for your
time and efforts, you should be able to add $2 for the
creator.  If you can't sell a model for less than $10, then
why bother? =20

I always try to check with the creators to confirm that it
would be appropriate to use the model in a commercial
situation (usually not a problem).  In the cases that I
don't get paid but the origami is used in printed material,
I get credit published and a copy to the creator.

These paid jobs are certainly few and far between, but
recently we used a Thay Yang plane for a special direct-mail
piece for BofA, and I made sure he received compensation.=20
Just this past month I just created for an ad agency's
in-house use, a sushi-box that featured a J. Montroll
lobster, and (as soon as they pay me John) he too will get
his fee.  This particular job started out with their need to
wrap a few binders for a special presentation, and developed
into a custom-made box because I showed them samples of
origami - one which was the lobster - and their creative
juices started flowing.  Without the sample lobster, it
would have been four times less lucrative.

I am very grateful for the wealth of creativity that resides
on my library shelf.  They deserve a share of your receipts.

Vicky Mihara Avery

vicky@infoarch.com





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Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 13:35:23 -0300 (ADT)
From: Yaacov Metzger <origami1@mail.idt.net>
Subject: Review: Gay Merril Gross' New Book "Easy Origami"

The following is my review of Gay Merrill Gross' and Tina Weintraub's new
book "Easy Origami" (Scholastic Books, 1995, ISBN# 0-590-53549-8,
$10.95 list (with pack of origami paper):

I've probably taught about a dozen introductory origami classes to
children (synagougues, schools, work) and adults (nursing home - thanks
to Karen Reed's Origami-L request), and I usually teach the same 3 or
four models to each new class - swan, jumping frog, magazine cover box,
and (time permitting) cup. These choices were arrived at mainly through
helpful suggestions (and prior threads) from Origami-L. They're all easy,
satisfying, and also show that origami needn't be only from special
"origami paper". So it was gratifying to read this new book and find all
these models clearly diagrammed and explained in one place! During my
first classes, I had to switch between two or three books for all the
models (till I eventually got them down pat - I definitely do not have a
"photographic" origami memory).

The book is divided into three parts -
  1) introduction to origami symbols, terms, history, etc.
  2) Models
  3) "Skills, Activities, & Resources": teaching and classroom tips and
suggestions

The models shown are cup, picture frame, book (w/cut), floating boat,
talking puppet, magazine cover box, swan, jumping frog, envelope, water
bomb, and crane. Each model also has  several pages of additional
variations and suggestions.

I think this book is a MUST for anyone who teaches or is considering
teaching an introductory origami class. The diagrams and instructions are
very clear and easy to follow.

BUT, the best part is the following paragraph on the copyright page:
"Scholastic Inc. grants teachers permission to photocopy the <** origami
pattern pages **> from this book for classroom use."

Yaacov Metzger





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Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 15:37:14 -0300 (ADT)
From: John Smith <jon.pure@paston.co.uk>
Subject: Re: File Format Poll & Info

At 21:15 11/05/96 -0300, you wrote:
>I'd appreciate some input from list members on the subject
>of graphics file formats for origami diagrams.
>

>
>I'd appreciate the reactions of origami-L members: do you have
>access to a Postscript printer? If not, do you have trouble running
>Ghostscript or other Postscript translators for printing
>Postscript files? Do you now have/use Adobe Acrobat Reader
>for your particular platform? Would PDF files be more
>accessible to you than Postscript?

I cannot afford the extra equipment to print Postscript on my HP printer. I
have tried Gohstscript but I can't get it to work, the version I had seemed
to be written for expert programmers. I downloaded Acrobat and it worked
very well with no problems.

So please go for GDF files, then I can at last see some of these treasures!
John Smith
Norwich
England
e-mail  jon.pure@paston.co.uk





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Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 15:50:11 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kristine Tomlinson <ktomlinson@platinum.com>
Subject: Re: Paper and Religion in Japan

    Hi,

    Many thanks to David Lister for summarizing sections of "The Art of
    Japanese Paper" by Dominique Buisson.  Buisson states so emphatically
    points that have drifted up in my (still new) research.

    This particular reference caught my eye:

    >>the few esoteric folded shapes of Buddhism were only a late
    >>development of shinto models.

        Buisson doesn't happen to state what those few shapes are, does he?
    If not, does he cite his research sources?

    >>To query Buisson, do the Japanese rebuild their
    >>shrines every twenty years?

       From what I've read, yes, using traditional methods and styles
    passed down over the centuries.  The Mayan Indians of Central America
    used to do the same on a 50?-year cycle, but they built on top of the
    old ones.  In Japan, the architectural styles didn't change.

    >>Kristine Tomlinson suggests that  most of the Japanese festivals
    >>still celebrated today, where paper  is still used ceremonially. are
    >>traditional Chinese in origin. Could we have this list please?
    >>Presumably it does not include secular festivals like  the Girl's
    >>Festival, the Boys' Festival or the Star Festival (Tanabata), where
    >>origami is often used y children.

        Sorry to disappoint, I'm afraid the list is mostly secular
    festivals.  But secular festivals are built on prior traditional
    religions -- especially those connected to the land and cycles.
    Besides, they are both celebrated at home and at local, regional, or
    national shrines/temples. From what I understand, the home is
    considered "sacred space" compared to Western ideas of sacred space
    (church not home). And, so a family ritual has wider meaning -- or at
    least, once did.

    Because I'm also trying to understand ways in which paper is considered
    sacred, or has non-ordinary properties, my list includes non-origami
    references.  The point is, at some point, paper was used at these
    secular festivals *before* becoming children's playthings.  Sources,
    when I recorded them, are in brackets [] with full citations at the
    end.  I'm still working on this, so beware of major plagiarism!!!

    Please note, all my sources are secondary and English-language.  I
    would welcome any input from Japanese readers.

    PRESENT-DAY CEREMONIAL USES of PAPER/ORIGAMI in JAPAN

A.  Shinto uses of pure white paper (~ 12th century to present)

O-shide -- streamers of pure white paper cut in a zig-zag pattern.
Placed at entrances to Shinto shrines.

Go-hei -- pairs of o-shide, in a place of honor inside the shrine to
denote presence of the deity.  Zig-zag represents lightning, from
which the God-spirit comes down [Needs verification].  Go-hei are also placed at
the sides of kamidama, alters used to enshrine kami within the home,
[cookbook photo], as well as, at enshrined stones in gardens. [Bring]

White paper whisks used by Shinto priests to purify a room before
a sacred kagura dance, purify a car, etc. [Abercrombi:314; PBS
broadcast]

B. Festivals and paper  (?? to present)

New Year's Eve

The day before New Year's is a day of purification; see June 30 -- are same
techniques used?  [Earhart]

January 1 or Eve

The New Year.  Originally a Chinese festival.  People go to shrines
and temples where they can purchase a fortune paper (even
from vending machines) predicting good luck or advising on how
to avoid bad luck.  Shrine papers kept in the home to absorb
bad luck and illness are either returned, thrown away, or often
burned, and replacements for the new year are purchased.

around January 15

Little New Year.  The first full moon of a new year.  In some areas,
old shrine and temple papers are burned at a bonfire on this
night celebrating the kami of rice and the new year.

March 3

The Doll Festival.  Originally a Chinese festival.  In previous times,
paper dolls were used to remove impurities in people.  They were
thrown into streams to carry away the impurities.  Today it is
largely a festival day for girls who create doll displays.

May 5

Kodomo-no-Hi or Childrens'/Boys' Day. Originally a Chinese
festival; possibly first intended to drive evil spirits out of the house by
placing dolls dressed as soldiers outside the gate.  Now, during this
national holiday, boys display miniature warriors, and families
place paper or cloth carp streamers outside their homes, one for
each son.  Size of carp matches boys' ages and symbolizes
strength.  [several; Abercrombie:236-237]

June 30

The Great Purification.  Ceremony performed at local Shinto
tutelary shrines to destroy impurities people have acquired since
New Year's Day.  Some people rub a paper doll against themselves to pick up the
impurities.  The dolls are left at the shrine to be disposed of by the
priests.  [Earhart]

July 7, August 6-8

Tanabata Matsuri.  Originally a Chinese festival.  The star festival
honors lovers who were changed into stars and who are reunited
on this day.  Huge streamers imitate the stars of the Milky Way
where they lived.  Paper dolls, prayer strips, or colored poem
papers are placed on bamboo branches set in front of homes.
They symbolize prayers for success in weaving (tanabata),
writing, and handicrafts.  Parents also tie their children's writing
samples on the branches.  After the festival, the branches are
floated down a river so that prayers will be answered, and the
children's writing improved. [several, Editors of Time Life]

July 25

An Osaka festival. Dating from a 1000 years ago, people make
paper dolls and rub them on their bodies to draw off illness or evil
spirits.

August 6

In Hiroshima in recent times, obun odori or paper lanterns are
floated to commemorate the 75,000 victims of the atomic bomb.

August 9

Near Nagasaki, school children create garlands of cranes and
burn them to commemorate the 40,000 killed by the atomic
bomb. [PBS broadcast]

no date

(Paper lore). Sukushi, or recycled paper was paper that had
been de-inked. It also included kankonshi, (paper recalling the
lost soul).  This is paper recycled from letters of the deceased,
and recycled paper for daily use. [All Japan ...]

Sources:

Abercrombie, Thomas, Kansai: Japan's Historic Heartland, National Geographic,
March 1970

All Japan Handmade Washi Association, A Handbook of the Art of Washi: A
Collection of Questions and Answers, date? -- excerpts from "JW" (Joseph Wu, is
this you?), Sapporo, Japan on the World-wide Web, site unknown.

Bring, and ?, Japanese Gardens, McGraw Hill, 1981.

Compton's Multimedia Encyclopedia, Version 1.01W, 1991

Earhart, H. Byron, Religions of Japan: Many Traditions Within One Sacred Way,
Religious, Traditions of the World Series, San Francisco: Harper & Row
Publishers, 1984

Editors of Time-Life Books, The Mystical Year, 1992





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Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 15:53:39 -0300 (ADT)
From: RA Kennedy <kennedra@isdugp.bham.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Thoki Yenn's DNA

>
> I think I have heard of this model.  Isn't this the one with the
> famous mistake?  (The helix twists in the wrong direction.  To correct,
> look at the directions in a mirror? :-)
>
>                                                     ... Mark
> >
> >
> >     For you origami and Escher fans, have you folded Thoki Yenn's DNA 4
> >     model?  It's in the Conference on Origami in Education and Therapy
> >     1995(?) book.
> >

Another source of diagrams for this model is:

Trends in Biochemical Sciences, Monthly Edition  vol. 20 (1995), page 94.

Richard K.
(R.A.Kennedy@bham.ac.uk)





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Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 19:00:36 -0300 (ADT)
From: Oded Streigold <benjic@netvision.net.il>
Subject: Re: File Format Poll & Info + gif

 Hallo every one!

 I'm afraid printing acrobat pdf has been a high intermediate piece of cake
 for me.. ;-)
 I have a pc windows 3.11, dot matrix printer, acrobat 2.0.
 When I try to print a file in acrobat, I get the following massage:
 acrobat does not support printing at this device resolution, please
 print at this device's highest resolution.
 At the 'Print' dialogue box I can choose between 3 different DPI
 resolutions, which all result in the same error massage.
 I searched pdf FAQs, but no help there.

 I'm able to print without a problem the postscript files using
 ghostscript & gsview. Althou some files appear with the 'symbol' font
 instead of a normal english font.

 Also an important thing: I heard that it is now illegal to create gif
 files without license from compuserve, is that true?

 And another question: is it possible to save pdf files in some other
 format ( like bmp )? if so then I can print the file in the other format
 which is what I do to print the postscript files.

 Thank you!!
 Oded Streigold           |||
 benjic@netvision.net.il  @-@
                           l





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Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 19:07:29 -0300 (ADT)
From: Oded Streigold <benjic@netvision.net.il>
Subject: Re: File Format Poll & Info + gif

> And another question: is it possible to save pdf files in some other
> format ( like bmp )? if so then I can print the file in the other format
> which is what I do to print the postscript files.
>
>
  benjic@netvision.net.il  @-@
>                           l
>                          \_/
>

 Addendum to my previous massage: I just discovered that you can convert
 pdf to bmp by checking 'select graphics' in the tools manu, and then
     selecting with the mouse the whole page. ( then doing Edit-Copy-and
 pasting the picture to a graphic program, then saving it in whatever
     format)
 After changing the file format, I can print it on my dot matrix printer,
 but isn't there a better way?

 Thanks all!

 Oded Streigold |||         Email: benjic@netvision.net.il
                O-O
                 l





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Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 19:22:15 -0300 (ADT)
From: bryan@sgl.ists.ca (Bryan Feir)
Subject: Re: File Format Poll & Info + gif

   Well, I might as well toss my two cents in here...

   I prefer Postscript personally, mostly because Adobe does not make
the Acrobat reader available for Linux.  I've recently found a freeware
version of a reader called xpdf that _can_ read PDF files under Linux,
but it's far from complete; mostly because of the difficulty in getting
the technical information out of Adobe on how the format works.  (This
is really my main complaint: Postsript is a widely accepted open standard,
whereas PDF is much less open and thus more difficult to code to.  You
can't really claim something as a 'global standard' as Adobe is trying to
unless you make it available for more platforms than they have.)

   And just to clear this up:

>  Also an important thing: I heard that it is now illegal to create gif
>  files without license from compuserve, is that true?

   Not exactly.  What has happened is that Unisys owns the patent on the
Lempel-Zif-Welch (LZW) compression algorithm.  They only recently realized
that GIF files used that algorithm, and have started charging royalties.
As part of the agreement betweem them and Compuserve, any previously written
programs that create or read GIF files are 'grandfathered' and so don't have
to pay the royalties.  You can keep using the format, it's just that you
can't legally write a GIF creator/reader without getting licence from
Unisys.

---------------------------+---------------------------------------------------
Bryan Feir           VE7GBF|"I am a great believer in luck, and I find that the
bryan@sgl.ists.ca          | harder I work, the more I have of it."
                           |                          -- Stephen Leacock





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Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 19:51:19 -0300 (ADT)
From: Eric Andersen <Eric_Andersen@brown.edu>
Subject: origami.com ???

Hi everyone! I did a whois query on origami.com (to see who owns the domain
name) and I came up with this:

>Stansbury Consulting (ORIGAMI-DOM)
>   218 Avery Drive
>   Syracuse, NY 13212
>   USA
>
>   Domain Name: ORIGAMI.COM
>
>   Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
>      Stansbury, Scott P.  (SPS3)  scotts@NYSERNET.ORG
>      315-453-2912 ext. 253
>
>   Record last updated on 29-Feb-96.
>   Record created on 12-Jul-94.
>
>   Domain servers in listed order:
>
>   NS1.CYBERCENTRAL.COM         198.242.25.10
>   NS.NYSER.NET                 192.77.173.12

Does anybody know who this is and why he has this domain? Just curious...

-Eric  :-P

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    / | \            \\ / | \ /7\            /-\.
   /__|__\            \/__|__\/            a miniature
   \  |  /             \_/ \_/               Kawahata
    \ | /             Flapping                stegosaurus
     \|/                bird
      V                       Eric Andersen   origami@brown.edu
  Bird Base             http://www.netspace.org/~ema/origami.html
 Origami Fantasy Page: netspace.org/~ema/origami/fantasy/fantasy.html





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Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 19:58:56 -0300 (ADT)
From: OrigamiCMM@aol.com
Subject: Re: File Format Poll & Info

In a message dated 96-05-11 20:28:41 EDT, you write:

<< I'd appreciate the reactions of origami-L members: do you have
access to a Postscript printer? If not, do you have trouble running
Ghostscript or other Postscript translators for printing
Postscript files? Do you now have/use Adobe Acrobat Reader
for your particular platform? Would PDF files be more
accessible to you than Postscript? >>

I do not have a PS printer,  have a laserjet, and PDF would be much easier to
access than ps.  Ghostscript doen't work for me, so I use ROPS.  The bad
thing about it is that it prints all files microscopic,(this program can
enlarge, if you tell it) but with Valeries files, and some others from the
archives, it says it will paue at the end of each page of the file (which are
one paged models) and will not let me zoom.  I use Acrobat Reader too.

C mIlLeR
ORIGAMICMM@aol.com or CM317@aol.com





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Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 20:55:10 -0300 (ADT)
From: "P.J. APPLEFORD" <PABPJA@west-01.novell.leeds.ac.uk>
Subject: Designing models - a few questions

Hello everyone,

I'm sitting in my lab and everyone else has gone home (it's nearly 1
am) so I thought I would take the opportunity to ask a few questions;
I hope you don't find them too stupid.

Firstly, I would like to be able to design my own models.  I
certainly enjoy folding models from designs that are published by
other people, but it would be nice to be able to come up with
something truly original.  Do you normally think of the overall form
of the model you want to create and try to use a base that would be
appropriate, or is the process of design more one of starting with a
good base and seeing what can be derived from it?

Secondly, I have just joined the BOS (hooray!), but my enjoyment has
been slightly tempered by the fact that I find the diagrams in the
magazine slightly too condensed.  I have only been folding for a
couple of years but I normally haven't had any problems enterpreting
the diagrams I have come across in books.  Does anybody else have
this kind of problem or am I just a no-hoper.

Pete. XXX





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Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 21:18:03 -0300 (ADT)
From: DBSH47B@prodigy.COM (MRS. JANET J HAMILTON)
Subject: Re: Re- More on Selling models

-- [ From: Janet Hamilton * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --

> I've been following this thread about selling models and just wante=
d
to
> add my 2=A2.  I have had the great fortune to be able to create som=
e
origami
> as commissioned pieces for ad agencies or photographers, etc.  For
the
> times that I was paid, I always made a point to include in my fees =
a
> "creators fee" which is forwarded to the creator of the models that=
 I
> used.  This is explained to my client as a type of "license" fee fo=
r
the
> permission to use the model in a commercial situation. =20

This certainly seems like a good solution to the legal and ethical
questions we all seem to be wrestling with as regards use of publishe=
d
models for commercial gain.  How do you usually contact the creators
for permission and payment of royalties?  Do you go through the
publisher?  And what are your opinions on an appropriate fee?  Do you
stick with some percentage of the fee paid, or does it depend on the
model, the fee you are earning as compared to the cost of the diagram=
s,
or some other criteria?

Also, I still am not clear about implications of using models in non-
commercial situations, like as favors at a wedding, a display for a
library, or an xmas tree that will be auctioned for charity.

I'm sorry if I am beating a dead horse with this topic - I think we a=
ll
want to 'do right' by those that have enriched the art (and gnarled o=
ur
fingers!) with their efforts.

Janet Hamilton
dbsh47b@prodigy.com
