




Return-path: <stevew@empnet.com>
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Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 03:49:24 -0300 (ADT)
From: stevew@empnet.com
Subject: Re: bluenose folders?

I get to go to Halifax several times a year on business.  In fact there's a
shop near the Nova Scotia Power headquarters office that has some fantastic
selections of Washi paper, reasonably priced (as I recall).  Where in the
Province do you live?





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Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 05:41:01 -0300 (ADT)
From: "C:WINSOCKKA9QSPOOLMAIL" <nick@homelink.demon.co.uk>
Subject: points, legs & watter

> I should state that as a creator of models with many points, the thickness
> of each point is a major concern for me. I am not that concerned with the
> thickness of each point individualy, but rather how thick each point is,

Do you then (for example) accept an insect with 6 legs grossly thicker than
they would be on the "original"?

> large models (to me, anyway), often look better, and are
> easier to infuse some expression into.

You're quite right, but as you say, most folders don't use larger sheets.
Should a design be annotated as "needs a 5 foot square for elegant results"?

cheers!

Nick Robinson

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Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 08:36:08 -0300 (ADT)
From: mym@fuwutai.att.com
Subject: Re: RE: books by Gay M. Gross

Neil and Jean Alexander

How soon will the rest of us be able to obtain your CD-ROM? How much will it
cost? And most importantly how can I become a beta tester?

Mark





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Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 07:14:27 -0300 (ADT)
From: chee.tang@eng.ox.ac.uk (Chee Tang)
Subject: Re: points, legs & watter

I think that it would be useful if authors also publish a recommended
size of paper from which the model should be folded.

I've been caught out a few times when in the last stages of folding
a model it's been impossibly fiddly to get that last rabbit's ear,
etc.

It would also be a good idea if the author makes suggestions as to the
type of paper to use, aside from the usual kami.

Chee.





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Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 11:02:20 -0300 (ADT)
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: points, legs & watter

Chee wrote:

+I think that it would be useful if authors also publish a recommended
+size of paper from which the model should be folded.
+
+I've been caught out a few times when in the last stages of folding
+a model it's been impossibly fiddly to get that last rabbit's ear,
+etc.
+
+It would also be a good idea if the author makes suggestions as to the
+type of paper to use, aside from the usual kami.

While I agree with that sentiment, I also never expect my first model to be of
display quality.  Because of the thickness of the paper you are using you may
need to fold a model a few times before you get the hang of how to interpret
the directions.  Take a big piece of kami.  Cut part of it into a 10" square,
part into a 3" square.  Same paper, same thickness, but the _relative_
thickness is very different.  Allow yourself the time and permission to fold a
few "preliminary" versions of the model before you turn on the critic and you
might find your folding more enjoyable.  I have.  But it isn't always easy to
break that kind of habit. ;-)

-Doug





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Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 12:08:39 -0300 (ADT)
From: VickyAV@aol.com
Subject: RE>Delta Air-Lines advertis

Attn: origami-l@nstn.ca
SentBy: Victoria Avery

Date    5/2/96
Subject RE>Delta Air-Lines advertis
From    Victoria Avery

 RE>Delta Air-Lines advertisement
 5/2/96             11:54 PM
John Pruess wrote:
>the Deseret News (here in Salt Lake City, UT) by Delta Air-Lines that
>had 16 step instructions to making an jetliner seat in Origami.

I asked a friend to look for the ad in San Francisco, and he tells me
"The ad only appeared in Salt Lake City, part of Delta's local advertising.
 I called the Advertising Department of Delta (I first called Delta at 143
Geary Street and, after many many transfers and people wondering what the
great obaguba I was talking about) I got Rolph at Delta Advertising.  The
design is a level 7 design by Paul Jackson of England.  Rolph will make me a
copy of the advertising.  Should be here Friday or Monday."

I'll let you know what I think!
Vicky

vicky@infoarch.com





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Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 09:46:22 -0300 (ADT)
From: "BOB T. LYNCH" <blynch@du.edu>
Subject: Yoshino T-Rex, again!

Hi all!

A while back, I asked for help on the tail bones for Yoshino-san's (is that
right, I would like to show respect, but now I am confused as to which name
gets the "san") T-Rex... A friend in my own group finally solved the mystery
for me - and for all you that have figured it out, skip on to your next message!

You don't insert the tail bones into each other symetrically! Tom said he
*ahem* glued the locks on the tailbones together before he put the tail together
and he still inserted the bones into each other PAST that fiddly bit that
hangs off the front (that doesn't appear in the drawings!) What you do is ONLY
glue the locking mechanism - do not get the stuff on anything else (and if
you use foil paper, you may not have to glue at all, it may stick together
well enough without the glue. Then, as you are inserting one bone into the other
that little fiddly part goes off to the side of the locking mechanism! If you
recall, either side of the very back has those triangular things hanging off
the bottom, the part htat hangs off the front is inserted into one of those
triangular pieces! So SIMPLE and I didn't even see it until he stuck one
under my nose!!! AAAAAHHHHH!!!

Anyway - then I got inspired and checked into Joseph Wu's page to see how small
that T-Re was that JC Nolan folded. I decided t challenge myself and attenpt
to make one out of inch squares - knowing the tail bone would be, by far, the
most difficult piece to fold, I started with one.... AAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!! I did
get SOME sort of resemblance to what the thing was supposed to look like - but
I think I will forego any other attempts at it!! (At least until I can get
some good, sharp tweezers, and a magnifier!!!) It took me about an hour and
45 minutes to fold the tail bone - and there is no color left to the foil!!!

Take care all!

Dee





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Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 10:06:24 -0300 (ADT)
From: kkinney@med.unc.edu (Kevin Kinney)
Subject: Re: points, legs & watter

> You're quite right, but as you say, most folders don't use larger sheets.
> Should a design be annotated as "needs a 5 foot square for elegant results"?
>
> cheers!
>
> Nick Robinson

Well, I'd certainly appreciate a "recommended paper size" from the author,
occasionally.  That's one of the things I like about the Engel book
("Folding the Universe" or Origami from Angelfish to Zen).  He tells you
that a 10-inch square will yield a model of x height.  A nice piece of
advice for those of us who can't figure it out without folfing it
completely.  Just a request/thought.

Kevin Kinney
kkinney@med.unc.edu





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Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 14:33:17 -0300 (ADT)
From: JovianSoft@aol.com
Subject: CD-ROM

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Neil and Jean Alexander

How soon will the rest of us be able to obtain your CD-ROM? How much will it
cost? And most importantly how can I become a beta tester?

Mark

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Well,

The Macintosh version of Origami : The Secret Life of Paper will be available
by the end of May. It is already in Beta testing, so we're not adding more
testers to our list - sorry!

The Windows version will be done before the end of the Summer.

Finally, when our Web page is done, we'll let you know what its URL is.

Thanks.

Jean & Neil Alexander





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Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 14:46:36 -0300 (ADT)
From: Brett <BrettAndJill@OIA.Net>
Subject: Re: Fold Hierarchy and Origin of Origami Symbols.

At 01:19 PM 5/2/96 -0500, you wrote:

>In a later development, Robert Harbin introduced the terms squash fold, petal
>fold, rabbit ear, crimp etc. in "Paper Magic" in 1956. But although he then
>knew about Yoshizawa, he didn't use Yoshizawa's dotted lines in that book.
>They were not needed with Rolf Harris's brilliant freehand perspective
>drawings. Soon after, in extensive private correspondence, Sam Randlett and
>Robert Harbin hammered out a comprehensive system of symbols and terminology
>This included the regular bases and these were given the now familiar names
>of preliminary fold, waterbomb base, blintz base,fish base, bird base and
>frog base.

I've always heard this system reffered to as the "Randlett-Yoshizawa
System".  I don't know much about origami history, but I always assumed that
it was a collaboration between Samuel Randlett and Akira Yoshizawa.  Did
Randlett and Yoshizawa ever meet?  Or did the term come from a fusion of two
diagramming styles?

Thanks for the information, it is very interesting to know.

Brett
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Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 15:35:14 -0300 (ADT)
From: John Smith <jon.pure@paston.co.uk>
Subject: Re: fold hierarchy and first historical references

Hi Kristine
>
>    Hi John Smith, Patricia Gallo, and others,

>    ........made earlier in this forum about the problems of taking
information
>    found in book prefaces and repeating it as though it were fact.
>    Unfortunately, right now that's the stage of my research.

The trouble is that many authors simply repeat published opinions for which
there is no evidence. I hope you will help in stopping these misleading
statements, often by eminent folders who slightest comment is taken as fact.
We must insist on the sources for historical statements being identified if
we are ever to sort fact from much of the junk that is put out.

>
>    The most fascinating question to me is why didn't origami get picked up
>    by Zen?  There are so many references to similarities between the two
>    that it seems a natural expression.  (Read anybody's preface, or listen
>    to stories of the master himself, Yoshizawa and you'll see what I
>    mean.)
>
I agree with you. I have often thought that in Gustie Herrigel's book 'Zen
in the art of Flower Arrangement' one could simply substitute origami for
the references to flowers and it would still be in the spirit of Zen. But
the sad fact is that as yet we have no evidence of origami being picked up
by Zen. Uchiyama was (or is) a Zen priest I believe but I know nothing of
his use of origami as a way of Zen. I wish we could encourage the
'spiritual' feeling for paper and folding in the West, I am sure we are
missing a great deal in the current emphasis on 'realism'.

>    Here are some of the other questions and themes that have been puzzling
>    me, maybe our readership have some ideas?
>
>    *  In Japan, references to the spread of paper and improved technology,
>    new papers, origami publications, etc. are often associated with
>    Buddhist temples (paper was introduced by a Chinese priest).  But,
>    references to ceremonial uses of paper (the purifying qualities in
>    particular) are associated with Shinto temples and ritual.

The most important text on this subject is the late and great Eric Kenneway
in his book 'Complete Origami' which is essential reading for anyone
studying the history of paper folding. In fact I think this is the greatest
book ever written on Origami. Eric was a true scholar and you can rely on
his work.

Also I must commend my friend David Lister, surely the outstanding
researcher at the present time into the history of world origami . His paper
in BOS magazine no. 174 for October 1995 covers a great deal of what we know
about the world history of paper folding. I think David covers most of the
queries you have raised. In particular it was David who introduced the idea
of the radial and grid bases in their historical context.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, but speculation is not the
same as evidence. Good hunting, John.

>
>
John Smith
Norwich
England
e-mail  jon.pure@paston.co.uk





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Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 16:24:23 -0300 (ADT)
From: Namir Gharaibeh <U50879@UICVM.CC.UIC.EDU>
Subject: Re: points, legs & watter

>Well, I'd certainly appreciate a "recommended paper size" from the author,
>occasionally.  That's one of the things I like about the Engel book
>("Folding the Universe" or Origami from Angelfish to Zen).  He tells you
>that a 10-inch square will yield a model of x height.  A nice piece of
>advice for those of us who can't figure it out without folfing it
>completely.  Just a request/thought.
>
>Kevin Kinney
>kkinney@med.unc.edu

     I agree, also adding that many times you can judge a model's
difficulty by how small it ends up from the original square.  For instance,
a 2 inch model from a 10 inch square will be harder than a 6 inch model
from the same sheet.

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Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 16:48:31 -0300 (ADT)
From: mmacri@dc.uba.ar (Martin Alberto Macri)
Subject: Re: information

I need some origami.gif, could you told me where i can find then.
Thank for all.

Martin.





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Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 18:06:47 -0300 (ADT)
From: marckrsh@pipeline.com (Marc Kirschenbaum)
Subject: Re: points, legs & watter

On May 03, 1996 05:41:01, Nick Robinson <nick@homelink.demon.co.uk>' wrote:

>> I should state that as a creator of models with many points, the
thickness
>> of each point is a major concern for me. I am not that concerned with
the
>> thickness of each point individualy, but rather how thick each point is,

>
>Do you then (for example) accept an insect with 6 legs grossly thicker
than
>they would be on the "original"?
>

For insects, I usually settle for legs that come from a 22.5 degree angled
flap, or a 11.25 degree angled flap. The number of layers for each leg has
never been a problem for me. The thickest insect leg I came up with
(comming from the center of the square) was 32 layers thick, and being a
slim 11.25 degree angled flap. If I had settled for a 22.5 degrees angled
flap, I would have had only 16 layers. When compared to the legs of an
actual insect, the aspect ratio (length to width) of my origami insect legs
would make *thunder thighs* an apt description of them.

Fortunately, I am not trying to approximate the thinness of insect legs
when I design. For me, a more salient feature of insect legs would be their
highly angular joints. This is what I try to approximate, and even at 32
layers thick, it is not difficult to shape them in an angular fashion. If I
were very sensitive to the thickness of my models legs, I would try to
position them so they are viewed by their thickness; this gives a very
effective illusion of having thinner legs.

>> large models (to me, anyway), often look better, and are
>> easier to infuse some expression into.
>
>You're quite right, but as you say, most folders don't use larger sheets.

>Should a design be annotated as "needs a 5 foot square for elegant
results"?

Very funny! I have yet to see a model with such extreme paper requirements,
but if that is what it takes, then I am all for it. The original post
seemed to be concerned with the feasibility of even making a model. For
complex models, using paper ranging from 15 to 20 inches can make first
attempts at a super complex Lang model a less grueling experience (sorry
Robert). The next question would be where to obtain such paper. As most
commercially available wrapping paper is too thick and springy, I do not
have an easy answer for this. Even a well stocked place such as the Origami
Source does not have the resources to store such large sheets for sale. The
good news is that Origami USA is addressing this problem right now. Origami
USA is thinking about making arrangements with large paper distributors to
make them more accessable to the general public.  It is unlikely we will
see representitives from NY Central Art Supply selling their handmade
Japanese papers at the next Origami USA convention, but I am going to push
to make such a scenario a reality for Convention '98!

Marc





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Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 19:10:09 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kristine Tomlinson <ktomlinson@platinum.com>
Subject: Origami and Metaphysics Workshop in Westford, MA, USA

    Hi,

    This month I'm teaching a workshop that uses origami to teach Buddhist
    and Native American metaphysics. Although the traditional models are
    too simple for the readership of this list, feel free to pass the
    information on to someone in the local area you think might be
    interested.

    This workshop is a test to see 1. if origami can be used as a
    "hands-on" teaching tool for "non-physical" concepts and 2. how much
    interest there is in this approach. If successful, I have 2 - 3 other
    workshops planned which use intermediate-level origami, kirigami,
    mobius strips, and modulars.

    By the way, the "chakras" mentioned below are a concept of energy.
    Feel free to send e-mail if you have questions.

    Kristine Tomlinson
    ktomlinson@trinzic.com

Origami Workshop Description

Explore religious and metaphysical concepts
with the 1000-year old Asian art of paper folding!

Session one
Presents an historical overview of ceremonial and religious uses of
paper and paper folding in China and Japan.  Similarities between
these beliefs and Native American concepts are explored as they
relate to three origami models (the crane, balloon, and offering
table) taught in preparation for the second session.

Session two
Puts the concepts from the first session into practice.  You will
choose one or more models from the first session to create a
hanging rainbow-colored model of the chakras.  Primary emphasis
will be on using origami to express metaphysics, although high-
level chakra concepts will be covered.

What: Origami Workshops -- Two sessions

When: May 22 and 29, 1996, 7:00 - 9:00/9:30 PM

Where:
Illuminations Bookstore
Rt. 110
Westford, MA

Cost: $7 per session (includes supplies)

For More Information and to Register:
Call Illuminations Bookstore at 508-486-4268.  Sign-up is
available in the store or by telephone.

Instructor:
The instructor holds degrees in Anthropology and Art,
emphasizing comparative and traditional religions.





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Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 19:10:48 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Ashley G. Perrien" <perr2232@kutztown.edu>
Subject: Re: points, legs & watter

>      I agree, also adding that many times you can judge a model's
> difficulty by how small it ends up from the original square.  For instance,
> a 2 inch model from a 10 inch square will be harder than a 6 inch model
> from the same sheet.
>
I'd be careful how you say stuff like that. In Engel's book (Angelfish to
Zen) his butterfly from a 10 inch square gets a 5 inch wing span. Those
proportions make it seem rather simple but trust me, it's not! It's not
the hardest model out there but it's not the simplist either. But I do
understand your point and as a general rule, it may have some truth. But
as with any rule, there are probably quite a few exceptions.

AshleyP





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Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 19:21:10 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Ashley G. Perrien" <perr2232@kutztown.edu>
Subject: Re: points, legs & watter

> >Should a design be annotated as "needs a 5 foot square for elegant
> results"?
>
> ... The next question would be where to obtain such paper...
>
If any of you live near a college campus, maybe you can get some there.
I'm in college at the moment and the bookstore sells paper for art
students on roles that you can buy by the foot. The roles are 4.5 feet
high and while it's not the best paper in the world for folding, it's
not that bad. I have a 2 foot, 3 headed dragon sitting next to me and it
came out rather well. The paper's think enough to hold the models shape
but it's not too thick to the point that you can't fold complex models
with it.

AshleyP





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Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 20:38:33 -0300 (ADT)
From: "David M. Phillips" <phillips@qxo.com>
Subject: Flying from Austin to Origami Convention

I'm making plans to attend the Origami Convention -- my first!

I expect to fly my Comanche 260B from Austin to New York, going
up on the Friday before and coming back the Tuesday after the
convention.

Let me know if you'd like to come with me.  I can carry four
people with minimal baggage, or more comfortably three big
people with plenty of baggage.  I could even make a stop to pick
someone up somewhere generally along a line from Texas to New
York.

I'd also welcome any advice from past attendees on how to prepare
to get the most from the event.
--
David M. Phillips 512-288-2887 phillips@qxo.com
QXO Corporation   512-288-1386 Fax
6316 Thomas Springs Rd Austin TX 78736-2321
http://www.onr.com/user/phillips/qxo.html





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Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 23:07:37 -0300 (ADT)
From: DBSH47B@prodigy.com (MRS. JANET J HAMILTON)
Subject: San Francisco

-- [ From: Janet Hamilton * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --

Thanks to everyone on the list who sent me information on origami book
and paper sources in San Francisco, and who also clued me into the
Cheery Blossom Festival and the origami display there.  The Kinokumiya
bookstore had a good selection of books.  I picked one up that featured
the Sullivan Castle units that I have heard about on the list.  I also
picked up several kinds of paper at the Kinokuniya stationary store,
and at the Paper Tree down the street.  If you are in the area, these
places are all within a block or two of each other a worth a stop.

Janet Hamilton
dbsh47b@prodigy.com





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Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 01:57:15 -0300 (ADT)
From: Eric Andersen <Eric_Andersen@brown.edu>
Subject: Re: information

At 04:50 PM 5/3/96 -0300, you wrote:
>I need some origami.gif, could you told me where i can find then.
>Thank for all.
>

Well, I have a lot of pictures of models on my page but they're mostly in
jpeg format to conserve space. However, most software such as LView,
Paintshop, PhotoShop, etc. will do the conversion for you.

Here are the URLs for a few pages with really great pictures:

Jasper's page:
http://web.mit.edu/jasper/www/origami/menagerie/origami.html

Bob Shuster's page:
http://www.newtech.net/webwerks/origami.html

Paul Close's page:
http://reality.sgi.com/employees/pdc/origami.html

Jim Plank's Modulars:
http://www.cs.utk.edu/~plank/plank/pics/origami/origami.html

Valerie Vann's Modulars:
http://users.aol.com/valerivann/index.html

Gretchen Klotz's Origami Boxes:
http://admin.ogi.edu/~gren/origami.html

And last but not least, Joseph Wu's Origami Photo Galleries:
http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/jwu/Gallery/galleries.html

-Eric  :-P

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   /__|__\            \/__|__\/            a miniature
   \  |  /             \_/ \_/               Kawahata
    \ | /             Flapping                stegosaurus
     \|/                bird
      V                       Eric Andersen   origami@brown.edu
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Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 09:41:20 -0300 (ADT)
From: Vincent & Veronique <osele@worldnet.fr>
Subject: Re: books by Gay M. Gross

Dear Carol Hall, I'm not sure it will help you but I post it for
information.
I have this book from Gay  Merrill Gross:

"Mille et une Manieres de plier les serviettes"
ISBN: 9-782876-771628
1993

Yes, it's translate in french :-)
It's a beautiful book, with lot of good pictures from Bill Milne.

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|       | Osele Vincent                   Membre du MFPP    /|    |
|       | osele@worldnet.fr                                /_|    |
|       | http://www.wordlnet.fr/~osele/origami.htm       |       |
|_______| -----------------> ORIGAMI -------------------> |_______|





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Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 13:10:42 -0300 (ADT)
From: DBSH47B@prodigy.com (MRS. JANET J HAMILTON)
Subject: Re: Cutting Templates

-- [ From: Janet Hamilton * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --

> Quite some time ago - and on several occassions as well - there has
been
> discussions about methods used to cut exact squares from larger
sheets of
> paper.  Anyone who is interested in using a Lexan (very hard plastic)
> template as a guide please take a few minutes and check out the
"Related
> Products" page on the website.  You will still need a mat and exacto
> knife, but the templates will enable an exactly square cut.

Hi everyone!

Is it best to use an exacto knife with the square templates, or would a
rotary blade work better (or as well?  It would seem that a rotary
blade would be faster and less likely to rip the paper.  Has anyone
tried using different cutting tools with the lexan templates, and if so,
what were your results and opinions?

Janet Hamilton
dbsh47b@prodigy.com





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Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 14:02:04 -0300 (ADT)
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: Re: Delta Air-Lines advertisement

Are you kidding or what....was it an origami seat and who designed it....I
can't wait to see it!  Dorigami





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Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 14:03:32 -0300 (ADT)
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: Re: the last waltz (ORU #12)

Roz Joyce is the expert on this model and she taught it at the convention
last year.  Her models are beautiful.  They almost sway to the music.  Get in
touch with her for advice.  Dorigami





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Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 14:05:08 -0300 (ADT)
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: Re:who are you

Steve, My show airs in Monmouth County every Saturday at 5 o'clock.    It has
been on for more than ten years.  I am in the process of preparing a tape
titled My Favorite Origami. It is the first of a series based on my show.
 Will let you know when it is available.  Dorigami





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Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 14:06:39 -0300 (ADT)
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: Re: Mary Jane

Hi Mary Jane.....Did you just get on-line....haven't seen your name
before....it's me, Dorigami (Dorothy Kaplan).  Are you and Martha coming to
the convention this year.  Hope to see you there.   I was in Atlanta but I
don't think Laura could get in touch with you....she got together about 8
people and we had a great time...yours is such a special group.  Hope to see
you soon.  Dorigami





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Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 14:15:19 -0300 (ADT)
From: CM317@aol.com
Subject: Re: Wrinkly folds  (somewhat NORM)

Someone told me last year that if you keep crumpling paper, unfolding
it,crumpling it, etc., after a while it woulf feel like tissue paper.
 (actually, he said it would feel like toilet paper, but it also feels like
tissue paper)

<A HREF="mailto:cm317@aol.com">Chris Miller
MAIL:cm317@aol.com</A>





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Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 14:22:57 -0300 (ADT)
From: Namir Gharaibeh <U50879@UICVM.CC.UIC.EDU>
Subject: Web accessing

AARgh!  Pardon my french.  Has anyone had problems getting to Fascinating
Folds?  Or Alex Barber's page?  I keep getting a server could be down
thing.  Is there anywhere els on the web to search the origami archives?
Besides through email?   Thanks...

+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Me and the world, see, we got  :            Namir Gharaibeh           |
|     this understanding.        :     a.k.a.  U50879@uicvm.uic.edu     |
|                                :   University of Illinois at Chicago  |





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Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 14:24:28 -0300 (ADT)
From: chall@scsn.net (Carol Hall)
Subject: Re: Origami Convention

>  I wanted to let
>you all know that the materials for the Origami convention reached me
>on Tuesday, April 30.

Ack!  Here it is May 1 and my packet has not yet arrrived!  I can just hear
the meter running on the ticketing sequence.....

Carol Hall
chall@scsn.net





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Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 14:46:20 -0300 (ADT)
From: Eric Andersen <Eric_Andersen@brown.edu>
Subject: Re: Wrinkly folds

At 02:19 PM 5/1/96 -0300, you wrote:
>Erik Andersen wrote :
>>>PS I downloaded the Geode Software demo...very nice! It teaches you how to...
>
>I tried too, the web page asked me for my name and e-mail address, acknoledged
>it and... ???
>What should I do after that ? There was no link to download and nothing
>appened...
>
>Any idea ?
>

        If you have any form-capable browser it should work fine: Once you
have filled out the name and email address fields and have selected either
Windows or Macintosh, you have to hit the "Submit" button. On the very next
page the first two sentences will have links to the executable files for
Macintosh and Windows, respectively.
        If this doesn't work then you don't have a form-capable browser such
as Netscape 1.1N or higher (2.01, 3.0b3, 4.0, etc.) and you can download it
from home.netscape.com.

-Eric  :-P

PS. The origami gif89s on the Download page are great!

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      A                   A
     /|\            \    /|\
    / | \            \\ / | \ /7\            /-\.
   /__|__\            \/__|__\/            a miniature
   \  |  /             \_/ \_/               Kawahata
    \ | /             Flapping                stegosaurus
     \|/                bird
      V                       Eric Andersen   origami@brown.edu
  Bird Base      http://techhouse.brown.edu/~tech/eric/origami.html
     Robert Lang models online! Coming soon: Origami Fantasy Page!





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Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 14:47:47 -0300 (ADT)
From: casida@ere.umontreal.ca (Casida Mark)
Subject: Re: MATH

I think I have heard of this model.  Isn't this the one with the
famous mistake?  (The helix twists in the wrong direction.  To correct,
look at the directions in a mirror? :-)

                                                    ... Mark
>
>
>     For you origami and Escher fans, have you folded Thoki Yenn's DNA 4
>     model?  It's in the Conference on Origami in Education and Therapy
>     1995(?) book.
>
>     It's a wonderful 3-d rectangle with mirrored mountain and valley folds
>     and a twist or two.  Viewed from either angle it looks just like an
>     Escher staircase. Is it up, or down?
>
>     Kristine ktomlinson@trinzic.com
>

--
*-------------------------------------------------------*
|          Mark E. Casida                               |
|          e-mail: casida@chimcn.umontreal.ca           |





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Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 14:48:10 -0300 (ADT)
From: Robert Maldonado <robert_maldonado@csufresno.edu>
Subject: Book Binding and Origami for the Connosieur

Hi, I've been lurking in the back for a while, but as a result of the
discussion about Origami for the Connosieur, I decided to get my copy
off the shelf, since it had been a while.  I don't know if it was due
to the discussion of bindings falling apart (my Lang _Insects_ hasn't
disintegrated yet), but to my horror, two pages fell out as I opened
it.  Sigh.  Probably not causally connected.

Robert D. Maldonado
Philosophy Department
CSU, Fresno
Fresno, CA 93740-0105
(209) 278-2879
(209) 278-6484 FAX
robert_maldonado@CSUFresno.edu





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Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 15:04:15 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: San Francisco

Janet,

Just out of curiosity, what was the book with
the Sullivan Castle units in it? Is it one
of Tomoko Fuse's books in Japanese? If it is
in Japanese, could you tell me the ISBN number?

Valerie
75070.304@compuserve.com





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Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 15:04:02 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Jackson Encyclopedia

Pat Slider's message about the version of Paul
Jackson's Encyclopedia currently found on remainder
tables is very disturbing.

The version I have is indeed called "The Encyclopedia
of Origami & Papercraft Techniques", Running Press, 1991
ISBN 1-56138-063-6.

It was one of a series of excellent craft books by Running Press.

I love it, find it inspirational, as though only one section
is on origami, it also contains many other forms of paper
art with a large number of photos of really high level
designs, i.e. "professional" level works in pop-up, papercuts,
papermaking, paper sculpture, etc, no kindergarten crafts junk.

For an entirely different book to be sold under the very
same title is in my opinion reprehensible. What is the ISBN
on the current remaindered version? Can it be distinguished
from the older version that way?

Valerie Vann
75070.304@compuserve.com





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Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 15:34:51 -0300 (ADT)
From: Eric Andersen <Eric_Andersen@brown.edu>
Subject: Re: San Francisco

At 03:04 PM 5/4/96 -0300, you wrote:
>Janet,
>
>Just out of curiosity, what was the book with
>the Sullivan Castle units in it? Is it one
>of Tomoko Fuse's books in Japanese? If it is
>in Japanese, could you tell me the ISBN number?
>

Ed Sullivan's castle can be found on page 116 of Eric Kenneway's "Complete
Origami".
The heading is "Multi-piece Models" and the model is called "Bluebeard's
Castle".

Oh, and if you need it the ISBN number is 0-312-00898-8.

-Eric  :-P

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      A                   A
     /|\            \    /|\
    / | \            \\ / | \ /7\            /-\.
   /__|__\            \/__|__\/            a miniature
   \  |  /             \_/ \_/               Kawahata
    \ | /             Flapping                stegosaurus
     \|/                bird
      V                       Eric Andersen   origami@brown.edu
  Bird Base      http://techhouse.brown.edu/~tech/eric/origami.html
     Robert Lang models online! Coming soon: Origami Fantasy Page!





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Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 15:41:49 -0300 (ADT)
From: Nick Robinson <Nick@homelink.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Maxfields??

Bob <bob@maggie.pentek.com> offered the following pearls of wisdom....

>I have been using Robert Maxfield paper for miniature module jewelry

Maxfields???? It is a standing joke in GB - "as rare as a square sheet
of maxfields". It's not really as bad as *that*, but the colours/paper
are so weedy I wouldn't use it for anything other than practise or
train-journeys.

Are there no better papers for jewellery in your neck of the woods?

Just subbed to alt.arts.origami for a trial. I shan't be returning. Two
messages were about hair restorer and there were 4 tests, out of 14
messages. I'll try again in a few months to see if there is anything
more mentally taxing (& for me that isn't hard to find!)

cheers,

Nick Robinson

nick@homelink.demon.co.uk
http://alf2.mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk:1500/nickdata.html

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Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 18:06:31 -0300 (ADT)
From: unhinged@yrkpa.kias.com
Subject: Roommate hunt

I'm going to be at convention for FRI, SAT, and SUN nights, and would
like a suite roommate, non-smoking.  Anyone going those nights?

rob





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Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 19:02:57 -0300 (ADT)
From: slider@ims.mariposa.ca.us (Pat Slider)
Subject: Re: Jackson Encyclopedia

>For an entirely different book to be sold under the very
>same title is in my opinion reprehensible. What is the ISBN
>on the current remaindered version? Can it be distinguished
>from the older version that way?

Here is the info on the remaindered version:

ISBN 0-7858-0441-2
Chartwell Books -- a division of Book Sales

Since the publisher is different, that is what I would watch for....and as
I notice that amazon.com is selling the Running Press version for $24.95,
the price of the book is a big hint too....Interesting that both versions
are in print at the same time.  The remaindered book has a rooster and mask
on the cover. What is on the cover original title?

I would point out that this is not a bad book per se (some of the books
that are used as sources for the excerpts I would gladly recommend), but I
wanted the original title and felt deceived.  Maybe these large discounted
volumes spread about in bookstores tempt non-folders to try origami....but
the BIG point here is that it should have been called something else to
avoid confusion.

pat slider





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Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 21:46:51 -0300 (ADT)
From: Mark Morden <marmonk@eskimo.com>
Subject: The Origami Olio is online

This is to announce that my web page, The Origami Olio, is now online.
Point your browswer to

http://www.eskimo.com/~marmonk/origami.htm

What you will find there includes: some original bill folds, a gallery, some
photos of the Sadako statue in Seattle, and other origami related goodies.
Please excuse a few remaining glitches. (I don't know if the counter is
working or not.)  I hope you enjoy my humble contribution to the world of
folded paper.  Feel free to e-mail comments to me.

Mark

Mark Morden == marmonk@mail.eskimo.com
--------------------------------------------------------
I believe in Christianity as I belive in the rising sun;
not because I see it but by it I see all else.
                                           C.S. Lewis





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Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 22:32:02 -0300 (ADT)
From: reeds@openix.com (Reeds Family)
Subject: free beds available for OUSA convention (in NJ 1 hour away)

Coming to NYC for  OUSA Convention the last weekend of June, trying to keep
it cheap? Come stay with us. We live in NJ about 1 hour away from Manhattan
by car/train/bus (25 mi due west of World Trade Center). Both our kids will
be away that weekend, so we have lots of room (4-5 beds/couches, 2
bathrooms) for visiting non-smoking folders. We're especially handy for
anyone coming in to Newark airport--about 1/2 hour away from our house.

I probably won't be able to go in to the Convention on Friday--that's my
last day of work as full-time science editor at Rutgers Univ Press (anyone
interested in hearing about the job? email me privately). But it's easy to
get to Manhattan by train from here. For Saturday and Sunday, we can fill a
car and go in together. The Convention will be my celebration of moving to
a life of freelancing editing/writing, being a independent scholar in
history of medieval/renaissance science & medicine--and doing a lot more
folding!

Karen  5/4/96





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Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 23:37:14 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: 2 Jackson Encyclopedias

I agree with Pat that this 2nd version shouldn't be
sold under the same title as the original. I wonder
what control over this Jackson himself has.

The original book had a blue-grey dust jacket with
photos of various articles from the different sections
of the book (papercuts, pop-ups, origami, papermaking,
etc.) I would add also that it has a nice section on
types of paper for origami, and that the papermaking
section shows finished works that are of the nature of
works of art in their own right, that is the paper is
integrally colored, thick, embossed, etc. to make a
one of a kind piece.

Thanx to Pat Slider for the ISBN number for the "bad"
version, which most serious origami fans will want to
avoid, as they're looking for the original.

--valerie
Valerie Vann





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Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 23:38:00 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: San Francisco

<<sullivan's castles in Kenneway>>

Thanx Eric, I know Sullivan Castles are in Kenneway and one
of Tomoko Fuse's books in Japanese.

I was asking Janet **specifically** what book she bought in
SF that included them, asking for the ISBN number, since if
the book she bought is the Fuse one, perhaps she doesn't
read Japanese, and so the best way to identify the book she
bought is by the ISBN number.

--valerie
Valerie Vann
75070.304@compuserve.com





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Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 00:04:13 -0300 (ADT)
From: Aimee Miura <aimeem@ohana.com>
Subject: Jackson's Encyclopedia

Speaking of Paul Jackons and his _Encyclopedia of Origami & Papercraft
Techiniques_ (1991 Quarto Publishing ISBN:1-56138-063-6), anybody have any
suggestions on where to find diagrams for the Philip Shen dish featured on
page 25? There is some explanation given, but not enough for me to figure
it out..

Thanks,
Aimee
aimeem@ohana.com





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Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 01:06:41 -0300 (ADT)
From: stevew@empnet.com
Subject: Re:who are you

Thanks - I'll be waiting.  Also, where is Monmouth County?  It sounds so
familiar - New York?  Connecticut?  Nova Scotia?





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Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 15:39:33 -0300 (ADT)
From: DBSH47B@prodigy.com (MRS. JANET J HAMILTON)
Subject: Re: San Francisco

-- [ From: Janet Hamilton * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --

> Just out of curiosity, what was the book with
> the Sullivan Castle units in it? Is it one
> of Tomoko Fuse's books in Japanese? If it is
> in Japanese, could you tell me the ISBN number?

Valerie,

After some research, I was able to recogize the book as one by Tomoko
Fuse titled _Sekai no Yunitto Origami_, or _Unit Origami of the World_.
There are four different units diagrammed, a cube, a half cube (split
parallel to one of the faces), another half cube (split diagonally),
and a peaked roof.

It is in Japanese, and the ISBN is ISBN4-416-38826-8.

Janet Hamilton
dbsh47b@prodigy.com





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Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 16:30:18 -0300 (ADT)
From: Nick Robinson <Nick@homelink.demon.co.uk>
Subject: eh?

Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@pipeline.com> offered the following pearls
of wisdom....
>using paper ranging from 15 to 20 inches can make first
>attempts at a super complex Lang model a less grueling experience (sorry
>Robert).

Must be tasty gruel ;)

Even the Cuckoo Clock? What's the smallest sized paper this has been
made from?
cheers,

Nick "curious" Robinson

nick@homelink.demon.co.uk
http://alf2.mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk:1500/nickdata.html

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Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 17:19:15 -0300 (ADT)
From: BLUEEYS@delphi.com
Subject: CHIAGAMI

    Since your all Japanese paper experts does anyone
know where I can order the handmade Japanese rice paper
and Japanese lacquer used for chiagami (Japanese paper
covered eggs)?
    Thankyou so much for any help you can give me.
    Back to the subject of origami, stuff has been written
here about the origami paper chains. Well here is an idea I
found on the wedding bb. I thought i was neat and hope you
will too:
              From: mgarnett@minerva.cis.yale.edu (Margaret Garnett)

         "When I was a kid, my (very creative) mom used to have
   us make paper chains to count down to any big event --
   birthday, vacation, grandparents coming to visit, etc.
   You just cut strips of construction paper, write the #
   of days left (until the event) on them, and staple them
   into interlocking rings.  Brian has been saying for most
   of our engagement "I'll be happy when it's June 8th... I
   wish it were June 8th..." etc.  So I wanted to do
   something for him for our 100 day countdown.  So I made
   him one of these paper chains from my childhood.  I cut
   strips from gold construction paper (gold rings) and
   wrote the date and number of days remaining on the
   outside (i.e. March 8 -- 91 days).  The best part is
   that I wrote personal messages on the inside of each
   ring -- sometimes they were things unique to the day
   (i.e. March 8th was our 4-year anniversary of dating, so
   I wrote something about our first date), and sometimes I
   just wrote little notes or poems I like or quotes or
   funny little jokes.  He has really loved it, and it has
   been really fun for both of us (because after writing
   100 of those things, I forgot most of the things I
   wrote!).  just one idea!  I have also heard of people
   filling a jar with 100 hersheys kisses, or something
   like that.

              If anyone wants more info about the paper chain, let me
   know -- I've posted about it before, but i'm not sure
   the above description is very clear."





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Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 17:41:24 -0300 (ADT)
From: DLister891@aol.com
Subject: Origin of Origami Terms and Symbols.

Brett queries my assertion that Robert Harbin had a hand in what is, indeed,
often called the Yoshizawa - Randlett system. I can only think that the name
was given by someone who had only a partial knowlege of the facts, and
perhaps because the system was first fully described in Sam Randlett's book
"The Art of Origami" (1961). An inspection of Robert Harbin's "Paper Magic
(!956), written before Sam Randlett's keen interest in paperfolding started,
is sufficient to prove that the terms "squash fold", "petal foold" and the
like were invented by Harbin.

The intensive correspondence between Bob and Sam is also an established and
provable fact. Before he died, Robert Harbin gave me several files of his
correspondence and among them is a file of Sam's letters to Bob. (Bob
apparently didn't keep copies of his outgoing letters.)  While Sam was the
driving force, the two of them worked together. Other folders, including
Gershon Legman were also consulted to a less extent.

Later Sam and Bob agreed that The Best of Origami (1963) and "The Secrets of
Origami (!964) should complement each other and should not overlap. They were
(and remain) great milestones in the development of Western paperfolding.

A grain of fact is worth a ton of unevidenced supposition!

David Lister





Return-path: <origami-l@nstn.ca>
Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 17:41:37 -0300 (ADT)
From: DLister891@aol.com
Subject: Paper and Religion in Japan.

Kristine Tomlinson asks many interesting questions about  the relationship
between paper, Shintoism and Buddhism in Japan.

It is another field where there is more conjecture and traditional
supposition than fact. I have heard the popular story about a monk from Korea
who is said to have brought paper to Japan. While it could be true, we have
to treat it with caution.

I can only suggest one  point, which however, is one of fact. In Japanese,
the same sound - "kami" has the two distinct meanings of "paper" and "god".
(Despite this, I understand the written characters  for the two meanings are
different). It has been asserted that the reason paper is treated with such
reverence in Japan  derives from the two meanings for the sound "kami".

David Lister





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Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 02:29:15 -0300 (ADT)
From: Bill Hall <billhall@computek.net>
Subject: Re: Cutting Templates

MRS. JANET J HAMILTON wrote:

> Is it best to use an exacto knife with the square templates, or would a
> rotary blade work better (or as well?  It would seem that a rotary
> blade would be faster and less likely to rip the paper.  Has anyone
> tried using different cutting tools with the lexan templates, and if so,
> what were your results and opinions?

I prefer an exacto knife. I use the kind with a thin, pointed blade.
This enables me to cut exactly to the corner with very little if any
over cut, thus maximizing how many squares I get out of a piece of
paper. The rotary cutter works okay, but it's harder to tell when you're
at the corner.

The exacto doesn't rip the paper if you use a sharp blade.

--
Bill Hall <billhall@medport.com> Dallas, Texas, USA
Where go the poet's lines? Answer, ye evening tapers!
Ye auburn locks, ye golden curls, Speak from your folded papers!
                     -- Oliver Wendell Holmes





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Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 10:52:48 -0300 (ADT)
From: chall@scsn.net (Carol Hall)
Subject: Re: Convention forms online

>Hi all,
>       With the permission from Origami USA (thanks Jan), I once again
>have put the Origami Convention '96 information and forms online.  For
>those who don't know what the Origami Convention is, please take a minute
>to visit this URL:
>
>http://www2.gsu.edu/~yjohan/ousa/ousa.html
...
>--
>Yusri Johan (gs01yyj@panther.gsu.edu)
>http://www2.gsu.edu/~gs01yyj/origami/origami.html
>

Thanks to Yusri for providing this service!  Maybe OUSA can make
arrangements for doing this on a regular basis from now on.

Carol Hall
chall@scsn.net





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Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 11:12:04 -0300 (ADT)
From: bob@maggie.pentek.com (Bob)
Subject: Re: Maxfields??

Hi Nick,

So that's why my models never come out right??!!

Seriously, the color selection is a little bizarre, and the paper doesn't
hold up for complex models with a lot of folding ... but, for really small
modulars (10-12mm squares) it's thin enough to allow the pieces to fit
together without gaps.  But I'm always ready to try something new ... and
my wife is getting tired of purple/magenta/forest green/royal blue/orange
jewelry!

Bob
bob@pentek.com





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Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 11:37:50 -0300 (ADT)
From: Michael Michalek <michalek@net2.netacc.net>
Subject: Re: Cutting Templates

>Is it best to use an exacto knife with the square templates, or would a
>rotary blade work better (or as well?  It would seem that a rotary
>blade would be faster and less likely to rip the paper.  Has anyone
>tried using different cutting tools with the lexan templates, and if so,
>what were your results and opinions?
>
>Janet Hamilton
>dbsh47b@prodigy.com
>
  I use a quilters' square marked in 1/8-inch intervals to cut paper.  I
find it easier and more accurate to line two sides up underneath the thin
lines (marking the 1/8-inch segments) than lining up on the edge of the
template.  I much prefer an exacto knife to a rotary blade, but it must be
new and sharp.  Once it begins to get dull, it does have a tendency to tear
the edge of the paper.  The blades aren't expensive to replace frequently.
With a rotary blade I always end up cutting into the "scrap" part of the
paper, which I may want to use for something else.

Patti Michalek
<michalek@mail.netacc.net>





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Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 12:05:37 -0300 (ADT)
From: slider@ims.mariposa.ca.us (Pat Slider)
Subject: Re: 2 Jackson Encyclopedias

>I agree with Pat that this 2nd version shouldn't be
>sold under the same title as the original. I wonder
>what control over this Jackson himself has.

Well, I was in the office where the actual 2nd remaindered title is
awaiting return, and I noticed that it says "edited by Emma Cullery" not
"by Paul Jackson"....so I must back down a little, I guess, as there are
lots of books with the same title, i.e. "Creative Origami".

The fault/confusion lies with the Hamilton catalog, who is marketing the
book as being "by Paul Jackson". I suppose as it is mostly a republication
of Paul Jackson material.

So be careful if you see this title in the Hamilton catalog.

A little shame-faced,

pat slider.





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Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 13:47:28 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: 2 Jackson Encyclopedias

Good grief! It bad enough that there are hundreds of
books just titled "Origami" or "Easy Origami" or some
such unenlightening thing, without having to contend
with a couple with exactly the same LONG title, and/or
SOME of the same contents!
[I'm glad I've got the Running Press "real thing"]

--valerie





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Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 14:45:58 -0300 (ADT)
From: Sheila Davis <sew@hpfisew.fc.hp.com>
Subject: Re: Delta Air-Lines advertisement

Dorigami wrote:
> Are you kidding or what....was it an origami seat and who designed it....I
> can't wait to see it!
>
        My parents live in Salt Lake City, so when I saw the original note
        I called them and asked them to send me a copy of the ad.  It
        arrived Saturday.  It's real, and interesting, but not really
        interesting :-)  The finished model looks like a chair with oversized
        armrests, and solid sides, rather than legs.

Regards,

  Sheila Davis        Hewlett-Packard IC Business Division
 sew@hpfisew.fc.hp.com          Fort Collins, Colorado





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Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 14:49:40 -0300 (ADT)
From: Sheila Davis <sew@hpfisew.fc.hp.com>
Subject: Re: Paper and Religion in Japan.

> I can only suggest one  point, which however, is one of fact. In Japanese,
> the same sound - "kami" has the two distinct meanings of "paper" and "god".
> (Despite this, I understand the written characters  for the two meanings are
> different). It has been asserted that the reason paper is treated with such
> reverence in Japan  derives from the two meanings for the sound "kami".
>
        While I like the association, I don't think there is a relation.
        Japanese has few sounds in the language, so there are thousands
        of homophones.  "Kami" also means "hair" in Japanese.  I'm afraid
        to imagine what sort of association that would have ;-)

Regards,

  Sheila Davis        Hewlett-Packard IC Business Division
 sew@hpfisew.fc.hp.com          Fort Collins, Colorado





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Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 15:35:24 -0300 (ADT)
From: jdharris@post.cis.smu.edu (Jerry D. Harris)
Subject: Re: Paper and Religion in Japan.

>        While I like the association, I don't think there is a relation.
>        Japanese has few sounds in the language, so there are thousands
>        of homophones.  "Kami" also means "hair" in Japanese.  I'm afraid
>        to imagine what sort of association that would have ;-)

        Does this mean that when a Japanese person says that they do
chiyogami that they like to cut paper or that they're a barber/hairstylist?

Jerry D. Harris                       (214) 768-2750
Dept. of Geological Sciences          FAX:  (214) 768-2701
Southern Methodist University         jdharris@post.smu.edu
Box 750395                            (CompuServe:  73132,3372)
Dallas  TX  75275-0395

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   /    \ \\  _/         >    such like other things cast out by the
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Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 16:14:52 -0300 (ADT)
From: Oded Streigold <benjic@netvision.net.il>
Subject: RE: Web accessing

Hi!

You can search the archives in Alex Bateman's page
( http://alf2.mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk:1500/origami.html )

On Sat, 4 May 1996 14:22:57 -0300 (ADT)  Namir Gharaibeh wrote:
>AARgh!  Pardon my french.  Has anyone had problems getting to Fascinating
>Folds?  Or Alex Barber's page?  I keep getting a server could be down
>thing.  Is there anywhere els on the web to search the origami archives?
>Besides through email?   Thanks...
>
>
>

 Oded =8-D





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Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 16:21:42 -0300 (ADT)
From: Oded Streigold <benjic@netvision.net.il>
Subject: Joseph Wu folds

 Hi,

 I saw In Joseph Wu's origami page pictures of some really great folds,
 especially the myth creatures. I'd like know where can diagrams of these
 folds be found. The 3D Chimera with 3 heads is *GREAT!*

 Thanks,
 Oded =8-)





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Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 16:48:40 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy)" <sychen@leatherback.nist.gov>
Subject: Re: Paper and Religion in Japan.

At 03:37 PM 5/6/96 -0300, Jerry D. Harris wrote:

>        Does this mean that when a Japanese person says that they do
>chiyogami that they like to cut paper or that they're a barber/hairstylist?
>
>
>

Confusion rises when Japanese turns Romanji-nized. That's why 'Kanji' has
never been eliminated. Actually 'kami' has more meanings than just hair and
paper...

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