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Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 16:07:50 -0300 (ADT)
From: John Smith <jon.pure@paston.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Fold Hierarchy and first historical reference to folds

At 11:38 25/04/96 -0300, you wrote:
>

>    What I would find most useful is a list of the *earliest printed
>    reference* of the individual folds.  Have any of our historian-folders
>    tackled this?  Previous messages seem to imply that complexity of folds
>    has been traced over time between China and Japan at least.
>
>    I'm especially interested in the first printed appearance of the
>    characters for "mountain" and "valley" folds.  Obviously, this isn't an
>    accurate date for their oral usage, but it's a starting point.

So far there is no evidence for the many claims that paper folding
originated in China so I don't know of any tracing over time of fold
complexity between China and Japan. The earliest instructions I have in my
library for the Boy's Own Paper June 1886 do not identify Mountain and
valley folds but simply instruct you to turn the paper over.

Maying Soong, The Art of Chinese Paper Folding  instructs a mountain fold by
using the term fold backward.

Bob Harbin in Paper Magic 1956 introduces most of the terms we now use,
including Reverse, Squash, and Petal but curiously doesn't seem to
distinguish mountain and valley.

Honda in 1965, The World of Origami does distinguish the folds and calls
them valley and peak or convex folds.

David Lister is now a member of Origami-l and as the foremost Origami
historian will, I hope respond to this fascinating query.

regards John.

John Smith
Norwich
England
e-mail  jon.pure@paston.co.uk





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Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 16:58:29 -0300 (ADT)
From: casida@ere.umontreal.ca (Casida Mark)
Subject: Re: Book bindings

> The books produced by Origami USA (including the upcomming Annual
> Collection), are spiraly bound for ease of use.

Would it be possible (e.g. in the future) to include a wrap-around
flap on spirally-bound origami books, as is common with computer
manuals, which would allow the title to show when the book is placed
on the shelf with the spiral binding facing the wall?  I for one
really appreciate this extra bit of folded paper.
                                  ... Mark

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Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 17:09:26 -0300 (ADT)
From: casida@ere.umontreal.ca (Casida Mark)
Subject: Re: Origami for the connoisseur

Kunihiko Kasahara and Toshie Takahama, ORIGAMI FOR THE CONNOISSEUR
(Japan Publications, Inc., Tokyo and New York, Fifth printing Dec. 1992).
ISBN 0-87040-670-1 .  U.S. distributer, Kodansha America, Inc. through
Farrar, Straus & Giroux, 19 Union Square West, New York, N.Y. 10003 .

And I understand it's out of print and I think it's a shame!

                                  ... Mark
>
> OK, I have an idea --  but I'll need help.
>
> 1.  If memory serves me (sigh) the Publisher was Putnam.  Will someone
> please look in their copy and confirm this.
>
> 2.  Please email me at by business address (so it will be on the header
> information) your requests that this book be reprinted.  I will use these
> "consumer requests", contact the publisher again, and see if I can lend any
> support.
>
> Business email is:  bren@fascinating-folds.com
>
> P.S.  The more emails the better!
>
> Thanks -
> Bren
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> - - - - - - - - - - -
> Fascinating Folds
> Rediscover the ancient craft of Origami, Japanese paper-folding, with
> our extensive line of Origami papers and books.
> http://www.fascinating-folds.com/paper
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> - - - - - - - - - - -
>

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Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 17:26:37 -0300 (ADT)
From: casida@ere.umontreal.ca (Casida Mark)
Subject: Re: but what is folding?

Hello everyone,

I have recently learned to fold the rose in Origami for the
Connoisseur.  In contemplating the result (which is still
delightfully irrepreducible as it depends upon the type of
paper, my skill that day, and ?the humidity?), I can't help
but imagine that it could also have been produced with a good
set of dental tools and some skilled pushing and proding.
All of which is wonderfully mind expanding.  Doesn't this
suggest that all our traditional terminology such as "rabbit
ear", "sink fold", etc. and those disarmingly mathematical
line diagrams of how to fold models, that all of this is
may be just a point of view and that we could afterall
sculpt the paper in another fashion with out it turning
into a "Normigami snowball"[*] ?

                                'nuff said,
                                  ... Mark

[*] I have a small and not very good book of ethnic Norwegen
    jokes of the sort that appeal to (some) Scadinavian Americans.
    It proports to be an exposition of Norwegen style origami
    (i.e. Norigami).  One of the proposed models is how to
    fold a snowball by crumpling up a white square into a ball.
    (For the Norskies out there, there is also the proposal
    that lefse be used instead of paper.)

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*-------------------------------------------------------*
|          Mark E. Casida                               |
|          e-mail: casida@chimcn.umontreal.ca           |





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Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 18:49:48 -0300 (ADT)
From: halgall@netverk.com.ar
Subject: Re: Fold Hierarchy and first historical reference to folds

>At 11:38 25/04/96 -0300, you wrote:

>So far there is no evidence for the many claims that paper folding
>originated in China so I don't know of any tracing over time of fold
>complexity between China and Japan. The earliest instructions I (...)

I think can to contribte about this:

>From always the humanity has been served of many material that they were
bent in aesthetics form, example of this: braided of rushes, the ancient
Greek vestments, and the folded of napkins in Europe include forms that but
late would be designated
"bases" and yet in paper, they were not known. The classics examples are the
zig zag folded, folded crushed, blintz bases and water pumps. To this is
made reference in the
book of Mattia Giegher, "Tratatto delle Piegature", Padua 1639, where are
shown those bases for the beginning of how to fold napkins.

According to Robert Harbing in his book "Paper Magic, the Art of
Paper-Folding", London 1965 (7th. Edition), among 1704 and 1739, appear
instruction books but, without doubt, that the greater document was the
appearance of the instructions book of the year 1797, where is mentioned a
generality of the folded bases.

In 1853, they are known in Europe the bird base and the frog base that, by
rare that it will be, the bird base does not arrive in form zuru. The first
publication that realizes of this, it is the English magazine "The Boys Own
Paper", Vol. VIII of 1886, where they are published the preliminary
instructions. But, as of 1952, it is started to appear the graph
representation, differentiating folded them in valley and in mountain that
devised Yoshizawa; at the same time, Randlett and Harbin, they analyze the
folded and begin to designate them and to differentiate them. Recently then
it starts the idea of "bases" as counterfoils for the execution of folded
and there the beginning of the need of unifying ideas: valley fold,
mountain, echeloned, rabbit ear, crushed, petal and sink; comet base, large
water pump, preliminar folds, bird and frog.

Patricia Gallo
La Plata, Argentina
halgall@netverk.com.ar

PS: I'm sorry for english mistakes.





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Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 21:11:52 -0300 (ADT)
From: Maumoy@aol.com
Subject: Paper 'knife', folding modulars, Golden Venture, multiform

Paper 'knife'

I frequently use the edge of a business card or index card to saw along a
book fold.  Can't remember in which book I learned this but people seem to
find it magical.  Not everyone has the dexterity to cut this way.  Most
people remember bleeding from a paper cut so they know the edge can be sharp.

Folding Modulars

At the 1989 FOCA convention, Toshie Takahama taught a class to fold a two
piece box and lid by folding both pieces simultaneously, at least thru the
steps both pieces had in common.  I've also used this technique to fold the
Shanghai Star and the sunflower, before cutting one piece into quarters w/ my
paper 'knife'.

Golden Venture Art

I visited the Museum of Chinese in the Americas in NYC on Tuesday.  There was
a 12 minute video on the detainees creating the works of art.  It sells for
$24.95.  Many of the pieces were auctioned on April 17.  I was told that some
of the articles on display were for sale - it was difficult to determine
which ones those were.  Also, I would have needed a trap door in the floor in
order to be at eye level w/ most of the objects.  I liked the vases and
teapots.

Multiform

I met a woman from Haiti today.  She showed me the catamaran from the
multiform.  She learned it as a child and called it a saddlebag.  Then she
unfolded it into a box w/ handles.

Marcia Mau
Maumoy@aol.com





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Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 21:23:17 -0300 (ADT)
From: Charles Knuffke <knuffke@sirius.com>
Subject: Re: NOA magazine

>Hi to All!
>Although I have been on the list for awhile, this is the first message I've
>posted.  Does anyone know how I can subscribe to the NOA magazine?  How much
>does it cost per year?  Who do I send it to? etc...  Any and all information
>is welcome.
>Thanks!    Happy Folding : )
>Barbara
>email address:  Basyrett@aol.com

I would contact the Sugusa bookstore. They offer subscriptions to NOA and
ORU, as well as getting Origami Books immediately after release. They are
at 7 Upland Road Cambridge, MA 02140 Tel: (617) 497-5460 Fax: (617)
497-5362.

Check out their new origami web page at
<http://www.terra.net/sasuga/neworigami.html>. This page has info on the
soon to be released book "Yoshizawa Osamu: Inochi Yutaka na Origami" (A
Compilation of Masterworks by Yoshizawa Osamu)

*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
Charles Knuffke       "Amen the Thunderbolt in the Dark Void"
153 Divisadero                                  -Jack Kerouac
San Francisco CA 94104
mailto://knuffke@sirius.com





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Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 22:13:33 -0300 (ADT)
From: DBSH47B@prodigy.com (MRS. JANET J HAMILTON)
Subject: Re: small Japanese translation (non-origami)

-- [ From: Janet Hamilton * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --

> My coworker is adopting an Akita. He already has a 125-pound male
Akita
> named "Sumo"! The new dog's name is "Matsu" and he is wondering what
it
> means. My knowledge of Japanese words is limited to food ingredients
and
> cooking techniques. I think matsu means some kind of box (???) but I
hope
> someone on this list can tell me for sure.
>
> He may want to change her name, depending on how she adapts to it, so
> since she's a black and white pinto pattern (spotted), he would like
to
> know the Japanese words for "spot" and "panda"

My Japanese dictionary lists the following definitions for matsu:

pine tree, highest (of a three tier ranking system); the end of, powder;
to wait

Panda appears to translate as is, i.e. the Japanese translation of
panda is panda.  There is also jaiantopanda (giant panda) and
ressaapanda (lesser panda) in my dictionary.

Here are a few for spot:

ippan - a spot, glimpse
supatto - spot
supotto - sponsor, spot (I guess like a commercial or an ad)
hokuro - beauty spot
shimi - stain, spot
tenten - here and there, sporadically, scattered, in drops, little by
little, dot, spot
ten - spot, mark, point, dot

.. and a bunch of others.

Hope this helps.

Janet Hamilton





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Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 23:07:39 -0300 (ADT)
From: BLUEEYS@delphi.com
Subject: Paper 'knife', folding modulars, Golden Venture, multiform

   Can anyone please tell me where is the Museum of Chinese
in the Americas (that had the Golden Venture origami)?
   And if I can't get there do you know how I can order the
video showing the Golden Venture detainees' origami??
   And please what is the catamaran from the multiform?
   Thankyou so much for any info you can provide!





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Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 01:11:25 -0300 (ADT)
From: Shi-Yew Chen <sychen@ENH.NIST.GOV>
Subject: Re: NOA magazine

At 09:24 PM 4/27/96 -0300, you wrote:

>Check out their new origami web page at
><http://www.terra.net/sasuga/neworigami.html>. This page has info on the
>soon to be released book "Yoshizawa Osamu: Inochi Yutaka na Origami" (A
>Compilation of Masterworks by Yoshizawa Osamu)
>

Sorry! Who is Yoshizawa "Osamu"? Akira's relative or just happen to be the
same last name? Gee... $61 bucks!

|-------------------------------------------------------\
|  _  Sy Chen <chens@iia.org or sychen@enh.nist.gov>    |\
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Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 01:39:44 -0300 (ADT)
From: Bob Nienhuis <IBFIRBN@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU>
Subject: Rose

Today I saw a rose model that I had never seen before. It was made
from three dollar bills. There was not much folding in it, each petal
was made from half of a bill with a fairly simple reverse fold
in the center. There was more, and I couldn't see how they were
fastened in the center.

Most of the effect was due to artful curling of the petals, perhaps
they were wet folded.

Does this sound familiar to anyone? Has it been published?

Bob Nienhuis
ibfirbn@mvs.oac.ucla.edu





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Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 01:55:53 -0300 (ADT)
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: Re: Music, math, modulars

Valerie, can you tell us more about yourself.....what you write is so
interesting so who are you and how did you get started.  Dorigami





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Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 01:55:41 -0300 (ADT)
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: Re: Fold Hierarchy and first historical reference to folds

John,  Am happy to hear that John will be joining us on the origami-L.  I am
sure he will have much to contribute.  Say hello for me to him.  Dorigami
(Dorothy Kaplan)





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Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 01:55:30 -0300 (ADT)
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: Re:who are you

Welcome Steve....nice to know a little bit about you....I have been doing
origami actively for 36 years and have belonged to OUSA for almost that long.
  I'm a grandma now and still am excited about every new model  I learn.  I
head an origami group  in this area, have an origami TV show (10 years), and
do a lot of origami professionally.  Dorigami.





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Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 01:56:06 -0300 (ADT)
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: Re: Paper 'knife', folding modulars, Golden Venture, multiform

Marcia, You never know from whence comes a folder or an interesting model.  I
love when serendipitous things like this happen.  Dorigami (Dottie Kaplan)





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Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 01:56:18 -0300 (ADT)
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: Re: Modular Folding

(Hi! Just wanted to offer a few comments regarding my newfound enjoyment of
modular folding. Steve Marsh.)
In answer to Steve Marsh, Robert Neales modulars were really what turned me
on to Origami...I just love doing them.  and yes they are relaxing because
you are doing a repetitive act over and over again. And they can be a great
group activity which brings the participants together. Dorigami





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Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 07:14:39 -0300 (ADT)
From: John Smith <jon.pure@paston.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Fold Hierarchy and first historical reference to folds

After sending a few notes on the 27th April it occurred to me to look at my
Yoshizawa collection. I have a copy of his diagrams for his butterfly and
tulip dated April 1955 which appeared in the Shufo-No-Tomo magazine, I think
this is or was a women's publication.

His diagrams are using the dotted line for a valley fold and the dash two
dots for a mountain.
As far as i know this is the earliest use of the now accepted symbols. Un
less anyone knows better I think we must attribute there invention to the
master!

Regards John.
John Smith
Norwich
England
e-mail  jon.pure@paston.co.uk





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Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 09:37:44 -0300 (ADT)
From: Nick Robinson <Nick@homelink.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Box pleating

David Holmes <cm4bcdmh@bs47c.staffs.ac.uk> offered the following pearls
of wisdom....

>I'd be very interested in an article on box pleating,  I've been meaning
>to try the Bugatti from Paul Jackson's "Origami - A complete step-by-step
>guide" for some time.  I just need to find some foil paper!

David Lister has written a fine article on box-pleating, but I don't
know if it is in text format yet - try dropping him a line at;
DLISTER891@AOL.COM

BTW, you can make the bugatti from ordinary paper - it works fine. (Or
wet fold it!)

cheers,

Nick Robinson

nick@homelink.demon.co.uk
http://alf2.mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk:1500/nickdata.html

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Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 13:01:30 -0300 (ADT)
From: hull@hypatia.math.uri.edu
Subject: Re: Book bindings

Yo Yo!

Kevin Kinney wrote:

> Regarding the bindings of books, a suggestion for authors out there:
>
> Would you consider having your books bound spiral format insted of the
> usual spine type?

        When I was working on "Origami, Plain and Simple" I begged
St. Martin's Press to spiral-bind the book (or to do that plastic
tooth/comb deal), because this makes the most sense.  They
replied with a resounding "NO".  Their argument was that it
made the production cost of the book higher.  Also, my editor
commented that people are less likely to buy a spiral or comb-bound
book because it psychologocally "feels" like less of a book.
Hmmm ...
        So in most cases the binding of the book is not within
the author's control.  It's entirely the publisher's decision.

--------------- Tom "Free Willy XX" Hull
                hull@math.uri.edu





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Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 13:15:34 -0300 (ADT)
From: CThackeray@aol.com
Subject: Re: small Japanese translation (non-origami)

My husband had an Aikita as a child. His name was Kuma, meaning bear. Perhaps
your friend might want to use Kuma instead of Panda.
Clare





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Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 13:19:20 -0300 (ADT)
From: CThackeray@aol.com
Subject: Re: points vs. art....

YEAH ROBERT!!!!!! It's about time you kicked butt!
Clare





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Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 13:35:07 -0300 (ADT)
From: CThackeray@aol.com
Subject: Re: points vs. art....

John.... I'd same you've down a good job of capturing an animals spirit. I
have your vulture casting a hungry eye at your snake. Everyone who's seen it
loves it!
Clare





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Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 14:33:46 -0300 (ADT)
From: Alasdair Post-Quinn <acpquinn@panther.middlebury.edu>
Subject: Re: useless books...

On Fri, 26 Apr 1996, Tim Rueger wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> >>>>> "vv" == Valerie Vann <75070.304@CompuServe.COM> writes:
>
>     vv> "breaking back of book"
>
>     vv> Shudder. Yes, even tho I'm a book nut, I do this
>     vv> occasionally. One thing to be said for Dover, they've got good
>     vv> bindings for paper bound books.
>
> I managed to wreck the binding of a Dover book I got recently (Lang's
> Insects book), probably because I worked front-to-back thru the whole
> thing.  (The binding for earlier pages is in considerably worse shape
> than for later pages.)
>
> So, Dover books aren't indestructible, but they *do* stand up pretty
> well.  :^)
>
> -Tim

Tim, you're not alone in this -- everyone I know who owns a copy of
Lang's Insect book has a split binding. Now since not everyone uses their
books the same way, my guess is that the bindings are all faulty.
Personally, my copy's binding was split when I left the convention last
year. I hadn't heard too many complaints about it, so I thought maybe it
was a fluke, even though it wasn't the only one.
To be perfectly honest, after the entire book fell apart, I refused to
use it anymore (I work for a library and have very low tolerance for
poorly assembled books). I know that Dover is capable of making some of
the most durable books around (see Origami for the Enthusiast), and I can
only hope that the first pressing of that particular book was bad, and
that this is not the beginning of a new trend in Dover books.
<scandal>
As much as I enjoy all the models in that book, I cannot stand to use a
book whose pages fall out. I dumped the book in the recycling and am
currently waiting for a new pressing. It's only $10 down the drain; I
would have had more tolerance if it had been my copy of Kawahata's book.
</scandal>
So if anyone is aware of Dover's plans, and whether a new pressing of
Lang's book with better bindings is included in them, please tell me; I'd
like to get another copy that I can actually use.
-Alasdair
acpquinn@midd-unix.middlebury.edu





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Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 14:34:10 -0300 (ADT)
From: rmoes@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu (Rob Moes)
Subject: Re: glue-bound books

Valerie writes:

>By the way: If you take a new paperback book (glue binding type)
>and crease the covers open in about 1/4 inch, then gently open
>the book fully at intervals of 5-10 pages, starting from back to
>center and front to center, you can "break it in" and limber it
>up so it will open better and longer without cracking.

I used to do this, and it does work.  I've had Honda's "World of Origami"
for 15 years, and it's still fine.

However I would strongly encourage people to spend possibly $10 and get
yourself a plexiglas cookbook holder.  It holds even very small books like
Jay Ansill's "Mythical Beings" without the need to force the pages open.  I
can't imagine how I ever managed without mine.

For the very largest books like Kasahara's "Origami Omnibus" it can be
awkward to lift the book out and replace every time you need to turn the
page, but I think it's the best money you can possibly spend to enhance the
life of your books.

--Rob





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Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 15:39:03 -0300 (ADT)
From: Marty Katz <mandrk@pb.net>
Subject: Re: Rose

> Date:          Sun, 28 Apr 1996 01:40:04 -0300 (ADT)
> Reply-to:      origami-l@nstn.ca
> From:          Bob Nienhuis                         <IBFIRBN@mvs.oac.ucla.edu>
> To:            Multiple recipients of list <origami-l@nstn.ca>
> Subject:       Rose

>
> Today I saw a rose model that I had never seen before. It was made
> from three dollar bills. There was not much folding in it, each petal
> was made from half of a bill with a fairly simple reverse fold
> in the center. There was more, and I couldn't see how they were
> fastened in the center.
>
> Most of the effect was due to artful curling of the petals, perhaps
> they were wet folded.
>
> Does this sound familiar to anyone? Has it been published?
>
> Bob Nienhuis
> ibfirbn@mvs.oac.ucla.edu
>
>
OUSA Convention program of 1989 has a $2 rose by Ros Joyce. She has
"golden hands" and achieves much of her amazing results with
wet-folding, so no doubt she used it for her lovely rose. She
indicates that additional units can be made and wired together for
larger flowers. It's a beautiful model.>

Rachel Katz





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Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 15:39:51 -0300 (ADT)
From: Marty Katz <mandrk@pb.net>
Subject: Re: Paper 'knife', folding modulars, Golden Venture, multiform

Hi Marcia,

I've found that my laminated library card cuts well and Michael La
Fosse has turned me on to using the edge of a playing card to cut.
Younger children find this a bit difficult but my classes are always
wowed when I do it.

Rachel Katz





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Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 17:49:10 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Fold Hierarchy and first historical reference to folds

<<the folded of napkins in Europe include forms that but
late would be designated
"bases" and yet in paper, they were not known>>

This is interesting to me; I've been involved in most of the
textile arts (embroidery, lacemaking, sprang, etc etc) from
time to time, and experimented years ago with a form of patchwork
(quilting and applique) using geometric origami forms, which
gave me a nagging sense of "been there, done that", though I
wasn't able to quite put my finger on it at the time.

Then a year or so ago, I started playing with tessellations
(or "twist folds"), figuring out how the ones pictured in
Jackson's encyclopedia were made. I was astonished to discover
that some of these were the paper equivalent of a technique
popular in the late 1940's or 1950's to make fancy velvet
cushions. These had the appearance of elaborate woven surfaces,
an illusion of the pleats; which were held in place by tacking
with thread on the back at strategic places. (I think I posted
something about this at the time to the list.)

--valerie
Valerie Vann
75070.304@compuserve.com





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Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 17:51:33 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: small Japanese translation (non-origami)

<< (Japanese) shimi = stain, spot>>

Hmmm. Shimi might be especially suitable as a name
for a spotted puppy...    :-)

--valerie





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Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 19:06:16 -0300 (ADT)
From: Paul Slater <P.Slater@swansea.ac.uk>
Subject: German Origami Society?

Hello everybody.
I was wondering if anyone knew of a national German Origami Society,
or of any Nord-German clubs. If so, could you please mail their
address to me.

Thank you!

Paul.





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Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 19:06:45 -0300 (ADT)
From: stevew@empnet.com
Subject: Re:who are you

Thanks for the reply - I hope everyone will keep me in line if I fail any
netiquette standards.  What is your TV show and where does it air?  Is it
available on tape?  --Steve in Oregon





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Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 19:09:59 -0300 (ADT)
From: Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com
Subject: Blades (was Re: Origami "kits"

Doug Phillips asked:
<<What, precisely, do you mean by "kitchen knife".  Do you mean something like a
paring knife, or one of those barely serated "table setting" knives, or ???>>

To my great glee, one day in a kitchen store I found a good 3 inch paring
knife with a sheath. The handle and cover are plastic, though I have also
seen them with wooden covers. (Can't tell you whether those blades are
as good.) Mine was made by Suncraft. I can't say whether it's better than
other covered knives, but I like it. It fits nicely into one of the little
pockets in my canvas "brief case."

*Much* better than a butter knife. I suspect a playing card is better than
most butter knives. (Though my playing cards are all too well-worn from
 too much Euchre and Whist to be used for paper cutting.)

Wait a minute! If the security guards ever confiscate your knife before
you get on the plane, you can ask the stewardess for cards. Voila! 52
(or maybe 54) fresh knives for your paper! (I like the card cutting
idea--I'll have to show that one off a lunch one day when we have a
fresh deck.)

Lisa
Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com





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Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 19:13:26 -0300 (ADT)
From: stevew@empnet.com
Subject: Re: NOA magazine

I would really be interested in this too!





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Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 19:24:17 -0300 (ADT)
From: slider@ims.mariposa.ca.us (Pat Slider)
Subject: Re: MATH: The Origami/Music Connection

>At 03:23 PM 4/25/96 -0300, you wrote:
>>>Gretchen commented:
>>><< This link is the relationship between both origami and music
>>>to mathematics.  >>
>>>
>>>While aware of the common notion that there is some link between
>>>math and music, I'll admit that I've never seen it myself.
>>
>..
>>        But then again, I recall being taught that mathematics is simply
>>the written language of logic, so anything that has a logical aspect could
>>theoretically be explained in mathematical terms.  Music has patterns, and
>>thus logic, so some aspects of music can be demonstrated mathematically.

>        By the way, if anyone has any ideas for a possible thesis topic in
>math and music, let me know! (especially if it involves origami  :-)

I have vague memories of a lecture given by one of my classics professors
on the Pythagoreans. Somehow it involved music of the spheres and math and
musical notation. Afraid I can't remember the details. But, I believe the
Pythagoreans and alchemists viewed both music/math as tools to help them
understand the universe...actually as representations of the laws of the
universe. Hard to put this into words with my faulty understanding.

But, anyway, my point is that if you are very interested in finding
connections between music and math, I think you might be able to find some
interesting papers in the classics/philosophy/alchemy area. You might need
to find a  helpful medievalist or philosopy professor to provide some
pointers to particular titles though....There is a large amount of
mind-bogging material out there. Interesting topic though.

Now if only those alchemists knew how to fold....

pat slider





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Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 20:53:13 -0300 (ADT)
From: Patricia Gallo <halgall@netverk.com.ar>
Subject: I'm sorry

for the repetition of my last mail (18:40 4/27/96), it was a mistake.

Patricia





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Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 22:40:38 -0300 (ADT)
From: Steve Arlow <yorick@conch.aa.msen.com>
Subject: Re: useless books...

>> I managed to wreck the binding of a Dover book I got recently (Lang's
>> Insects book)  [...]
>
>Tim, you're not alone in this -- everyone I know who owns a copy of
>Lang's Insect book has a split binding.

Mine too.  Clearly there was a manufacturer's defect.

--
 "Your dog stuffs his tongue up your nose.   |  Steve Arlow, Yorick Software
  It's a good omen.  You press on."          |  39336 Polo Club Dr. #103,
     -- Bernie E. Mireault, in _The JAM..._  |  Farmington Hills, MI  48335
            (.sig contest has been won)      |  http://www.msen.com/~yorick





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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 01:52:03 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Updated  Modular Origami Web Page

I've updated my web page with some photos from a
digital color camera. There's one of a polygonal
ornament (kusudama) from chewing gum wrapper
ornaments, and a new business card page with some
polygonal ornaments and a simplified version of
the Nautilus Box (bottom only, so more like a
Nautilus Dish.) The diagrams for this simplified
Nautilus Dish are about half done & will be put
on the page as soon as their done.

Correspondence with Jeannine Mosely indicates that
some of the Bcard polys are just parallel inventions,
as she and others have discovered them before.

--valerie
Valerie Vann
75070.304@compuserve.com
http:/users.aol.com/valerivann/index.html [Modular Origami Page]





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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 08:26:55 -0300 (ADT)
From: Yusri Johan <gs01yyj@panther.Gsu.EDU>
Subject: (fwd) Origami CD-ROM demo on the Web

Hi all!
        I found this on the alt.arts.origami newsgroup.  I haven't
checked it out yet and I though I might forward to the list since it is
origami related.

-----------------------------FORWARDING SEPARATOR--------------------------

From: kabob <kabob@accessone.com>
Newsgroups: alt.arts.origami
Subject: Origami CD-ROM demo on the Web
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 18:23:18 -0700
Lines: 22
NNTP-Posting-Host: kabob.accessone.com

Discovering Origami . . . on CD-ROM!

Geode Software Company announces the release of Discovering Origami, a
CD-ROM for Macintosh and Windows.

A FREE DEMO of Discovering Origami is available at the Geode Software Web Site
<http://www.geodesoftware.com/geode/>.

Animated 3-D figures in Discovering Origami make it the fun and easy way to fold
beautiful paper shapes. Discovering Origami guides you step-by-step through the
process of folding origami.

*  Learn to fold ten classic shapes.

*  Enjoy a variety of photographic backgrounds and traditional Japanese music
     while
folding shapes.

*  Discover the history of origami in an interactive tour of a traditional
     Japanese
garden and tea house.

For more information by e-mail, contact geode@geodesoftware.com or visit
our web site: <http://www.geodesoftware.com/geode/>

--
Yusri Johan (gs01yyj@panther.gsu.edu)
http://www2.gsu.edu/~gs01yyj/origami/origami.html





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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 09:36:51 -0300 (ADT)
From: Brett <BrettAndJill@OIA.Net>
Subject: Re: Origami "kits" (was: Re: Correction! (+ObOriga

At 05:19 PM 4/26/96 -0500, you wrote:
>
>The reason I said I can't imagine using scissors is that I can't see how you
>can get a smooth straight cut using them.  Which is why I am surprised you
>don't use the knife more.

The scissors are sharper than the knife.  To cut a straight clean line I
hold the scissors open at about a 45degree angle and push them along the
line with a minimum of "scissor" action.  This makes a nice straight cut
without scissor marks.

Brett
BrettAndJill@OIA.Net





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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 09:46:24 -0300 (ADT)
From: Brett <BrettAndJill@OIA.Net>
Subject: Re: The Ultimate Origami Kit

At 09:58 PM 4/26/96 -0500, you wrote:

>3)  Try and diagram.  Anyone remember Spyrograph?  I was wondering if
>there might be any way to create a miniature "Spyrgamigraph" that could
>be (1) portable, and allow (2) accurate diagramming of models by using
>plastic templates and such.  I thought it might be contained in one of
>the 4" plastic notecube holders and each square could represent a
>"step".  Just slap down the "kite base" or "angle bisector" spyrogami
>template and go to work!
>

How about a Flow Charting template.  They have a lot of different widgets  ?

Brett
BrettAndJill@OIA.Net





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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 10:09:23 -0300 (ADT)
From: David Holmes <cm4bcdmh@bs47c.staffs.ac.uk>
Subject: Book bindings

I've found that the lie flat bindings used by O'Reilly & Associates
for all their computer books are very good.  The system, called RepKover,
consists of the pages being bound together using a traditional method I
think.

The bound pages are then attached to the cover of the book down the front
and back edges.  In effect the book has a 'false' spine which stays flat,
while the inner spine of the bound pages arcs instead.

The book stays open at any page, and it remains in good condition for a
long time.

David M Holmes                  cm4bcdmh@bs47c.staffs.ac.uk
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
British Origami Society        Association of C & C++ Users
http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/2162/       (in development)





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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 10:34:14 -0300 (ADT)
From: "M.J.van.Gelder" <M.J.van.Gelder@rc.rug.nl>
Subject: Re: German Origami Society?

Hi Paul,

m> I was wondering if anyone knew of a national German Origami Society,
m> or of any Nord-German clubs. If so, could you please mail their
m> address to me.

You should have a look in the archives. There is a list of all Origami
associations in the world.
You may obtain it via mail.
Just send a message to:

   origami@ftp.rug.nl

with in the body:

   get lists/assocadr.txt

or try FTP:

   ftp://ftp.rug.nl/origami/lists/assocadr.txt

Maarten van Gelder,           Rekencentrum RuG,  RijksUniversiteit Groningen
M.J.van.Gelder@rc.rug.nl                         Nederland





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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 11:46:08 -0300 (ADT)
From: Maumoy@aol.com
Subject: Paper 'knives', modules

Rachel, thanks for the playing card 'knife' idea.  Just reminded me I also
cut w/ laminated cards advertising restaurants and tourist attractions.  I've
found them in countertop dispensers or on the concierge desks in hotels in
NYC and Honolulu.  Folded in half, they look like business cards.  They are
actually 2x as long.

I've started a Magic Star Flower (Gross'  The Art of Origami, pg 41,
Kaleidoscope Flower) craze in DC.  I had one at my booth at the Cherry
Blossom Festival.  That's what people wanted to make instead of jumping frogs
or hopping bunnies.  Most people could make the units and join them but I had
to help them link the first and 7th modules together.  We used Astrobright
memo cube paper.  I also like to make the MSFs out of Disney origami paper.
 There is a kaleidoscopic effect w/ matching up and turning all the Mickeys,
Minnies, Goofys, Donalds, and Daisys.

On Saturday at Maryvale School in Silver Spring, MD I taught Jeff Beynon's
Heptad Ring (Robinson's Paper Airplanes, pg 100).  Again we used memo cube
paper.  People had difficulty making the diagonal crease from edge to edge.
 After looking at the diagrams this morning, perhaps it would be easier to
assemble using kami or duo.

Any suggestions for simple modules, simple assembly, not too many pieces to
teach at fairs?

Marcia





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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 12:03:46 -0300 (ADT)
From: A004773%LBVM1.profs@lbgwy.mdc.com
Subject: straight edges

 Also a good straight edge is a steel ruler used for defining print
 forms used for mainframe computer programs.  I got a freebie from
 the company that supplied continuous forms to my computer center.
 The ruler is about 18 inches long.

 John Andrisan, departing soon...
 IBMMAIL: USMCDQND   Internet: a004773%lbvm1.profs@lbgwy.mdc.com





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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 12:05:32 -0300 (ADT)
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: #3 dollar bill rose:

For 3$ bill rose check out l989 convention model book.  There is another one
by me Dorothy Kaplan in another  convention book.  Check out v'ann
cornelious.  She is still on-line I believe. Dorigami





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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 12:18:55 -0300 (ADT)
From: chall@scsn.net (Carol Hall)
Subject: Re: Book bindings

I have a few shelves full of spiral and comb-bound origami (and other) books
and find it a real pain to go through them, pull them off the shelves, or
simply push them aside to make room for more. (This is no commentary on the
contents, just on the manner of putting the books together.)

I have various means of keeping volumes open while I work: the wire and
metal folding book holders (hmm...) meant for students; the acrylic cookbook
holders; a wire thingamajigie which slips around the spine; a weighted book
holder made of leather; my elbow; other books....  All of these work as
needed and they are scattered around my house and in my traveling origami
"kits".

I have recently started yet another system which is working well.  I have
favorite models rather than favorite books, so am constantly reaching for
different books (and I seem not to have a good memory for names or folding
sequences).  I have started a 3-ring binder which holds photocopies of my
favorite diagrams within the clear sheet protectors (closed on 3 sides).
The sheet protectors can hold a fair number of pages, so I can usually
staple the pages of diagrams together and put the whole thing into one
pocket.  In slips a test run model as well - if it is 2-dimensional - or a
fold pattern or step folds or whatever.  This is a good place for those
single sheets that I try to collect from conventions as well.  Now, if I
know I am searching for _______, I look in my binder first. (Yes, I do
recognize the hazard of the binder(s) becoming as big as my book collection,
but I'll deal with that later.... :)  ).

Carol Hall
chall@scsn.net





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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 13:13:50 -0300 (ADT)
From: jdharris@post.cis.smu.edu (Jerry D. Harris)
Subject: Re: Book bindings

        I too have a disintegrating copy of Mr. Lang's bug book, although
on mine it seems it's the middle pages that are falling out...

        I've contemplated getting one of those wire book-holders for use in
origami, but I haven't gotten around to it.  What I often do, although it
is almost certainly more harmful to the books, is fold on top of a large
clipboard made of transparent plastic.  I put the clipboard down over the
book (it thus works very well when folding on your lap!) so I can see the
instructions through the clipboard on which I'm folding.

Jerry D. Harris                       (214) 768-2750
Dept. of Geological Sciences          FAX:  (214) 768-2701
Southern Methodist University         jdharris@post.smu.edu
Box 750395                            (CompuServe:  73132,3372)
Dallas  TX  75275-0395

      \\             _^
      \\\         __/   >     "...having...seen those Grounds, out
       \ \\     _/       >    of which are digg'd up _shells_, and
   /    \ \\  _/         >    such like other things cast out by the
 _//_----\ \-/          >     Sea, and that everywhere we might es-
/   ( )    o           >      timate the number of times...the Sea
v--_                 >        had troubled here and there..."
    )     \ \   \_ >
^--/       \\  /                         - Nicolaus Steno, 1671





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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 14:11:28 -0300 (ADT)
From: Gretchen Klotz <gren@agora.rdrop.com>
Subject: Re: Paper 'knives', modules

On Mon, 29 Apr 1996 Maumoy@aol.com asked:

> Any suggestions for simple modules, simple assembly, not too many pieces to
> teach at fairs?

>From the same Gay Merrill Gross book as the Kaleidoscope Flower comes the
Fluted Diamond by Molly Kahn (Lillian Oppenheimer's daughter), page 104.
Take some needles and thread along and people will take home an
ornament!  (Don't bother stringing through the center -- the thread will
pull out.  Instead, loop the thread through the model ~1/4" below the "top.")

These were quite the hit at the holly-daze last year -- my last minute
gift idea after recovering from the flu and the Crane Project.  I even
made myself a pair of earrings from 2" foil that I wear whenever I teach
or show origami (except when I wear the pair of miniature cranes that
Jenni A folded for me).

I think they look nicest with foil, and did one set with all sorts of
color combinations.  Usually I just do gold, silver and red foil, 3.5" or
larger.  Already there is an art store and a rubber stamp store in town
that want me to teach them in November/December!

- Gretchen

--
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 14:34:03 -0300 (ADT)
From: Gretchen Klotz <gren@agora.rdrop.com>
Subject: Kathryn B Makes a Modular!

I warned Kathryn that if she didn't post to the list about her invention,
I would do it for her! ;->

At my last folding party, she read through Paul Jackson's _The Complete
Origami Course_ and taught herself his hyperbolic parabola.  She made many
parabolas (parabolae? ;-) over the next few weeks.  Then, in addition to a
*gorgeous* origami bouquet for my birthday, she presented me with a star
made of 5 parabolas glued together at the edges.  As many of you know, I
*love* 5-pointed stars, and this one is very striking.  It was quite the
hit of the party -- got passed around so much, I was afraid it was going
to get damaged!  It is now hanging safely in my project room.

I think it's worth boasting about, and am quite happy to do so for
Kathryn.  She made a very clever creation from Jackson's sculptural model!

(ObOrigamiChallenge for the purists: can *you* figure out a way to lock
them together without glue?)

- Gretchen

--
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 14:41:09 -0300 (ADT)
From: casida@ere.umontreal.ca (Casida Mark)
Subject: Re: Page Origami de Vincent

Those who do not read French, turn back now.

J'ai enfin regardi la page d'origami de Vincent Osele :

   http://www.worldnet.fr/~osele/origami.htm

Je ne peux dire que <<bravo!>>.  C'est tres bien fait.
Moi aussi j'avais songe a une petite page a la toile
d'araignee mondiale (il parait que c'est comme ca que
www est dit en francais) sur l'origami en francais.
J'en ai meme commence une, mais je l'ai abandonnee.
Felicitations Vincent et continue la bonne travail!

                          ... Mark

P.S. Il sera peut-etre d'interet d'inclure une liste des
     livres recommendes ecrit en francais pour encourager
     les debutants?  C'est au moins une des choses a la
     quelle j'ai songe pour ma page maintenant abandoneee.

--
*-------------------------------------------------------*
|          Mark E. Casida                               |
|          e-mail: casida@chimcn.umontreal.ca           |





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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 16:18:17 -0300 (ADT)
From: Rene Besamusca <renebe@knoware.nl>
Subject: Request.

Hi,

As some of you already may have found out. The O.S.N. WWW site has been
moved to it's final location over the past weekend.

All of you who have been so kind enough to put a link to our homepage in
their own page, I hereby would like to ask to redefine the link to the
following address;

http://www.rug.nl/rug/homepage/osn

Thank you so much for your help.

Regards,

|-----------------------------------------------|
| Rene Besamusca, Pagemaster for the O.S.N.     |
| WWW-pages: http://www.rug.nl/rug/homepage/osn |
| E-mail (Pvt)  : renebe@knoware.nl             |





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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 16:23:46 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jeannine Mosely <j9@concentra.com>
Subject: the last waltz (ORU #12)

This weekend I made the model called "the last waltz" from the
directions in issue 12 of ORU magazine.  I have been wanting to make
this model ever since I first saw it at the OUSA convention last year.
I am very pleased with it, but still not completely satisfied.  I have
a couple of questions for those of you who have made it, and for those
who have this issue of ORU.

What kind of paper do you use?  Even 12 inch kami seems like it would
be to small.  I used a roll of "fadeless art paper" that I purchased
at an educational supplies store on Saturday, and started with a
rectangle 8 by 24 inches.  This paper is a little thick for the
purpose, and while it may be "fadeless", the black color rubs off on
my fingers and gets the woman's white dress all dirty.

How do you keep the man from looking the a Montroll skunk?  He has
this white stripe up his back.

After careful inspection of the model shown on the cover of ORU, I
believe that it was wet folded from mono-colored paper and shot in a
dim light with a spot light on the woman to make it look like there is
a color change in the model.  While it is beautifully executed, this
seems like a bit of a sham.  Does anyone else agree with me?

        -- jeannine mosely





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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 16:45:25 -0300 (ADT)
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: Book bindings

+I have a few shelves full of spiral and comb-bound origami (and other) books
+and find it a real pain to go through them, pull them off the shelves, or
+simply push them aside to make room for more. (This is no commentary on the
+contents, just on the manner of putting the books together.)

I much prefer the comb bound books because you can write on the binding and
avoid having to pull the books out to find the one you are looking for.
Granted, I end up having to stagger them on the shelf because the spines are
wider...  (top view:)

        |w|   |w|   |w|   |w|   |w|
        | ||w|| ||w|| ||w|| ||w|| |
        | || || || || || || || || |
        | || || || || || || || || |
        | || || || || || || || || |
        | || || || || || || || || |
        | || || || || || || || || |
        | || || || || || || || || |
         - | | - | | - | | - | | -
            -     -     -     -

[About storing photo copies of favorite diagrams in sheet protectors...]

That is an interesting idea.  So far the only sheet protector diagrams I have
in binders are those I got from the FTP site, or from the convention or any
other "loose" diagrams.  As I recently picked up a used, old, IBICO machine, I
will be converting them to the comb bindings "real soon now".

But the idea of having a "booK of favorite models" is sound, however you might
hold such a book together!

-Doug





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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 16:52:08 -0300 (ADT)
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: Paper 'knives', modules

Marcia wrote:

+I've started a Magic Star Flower (Gross'  The Art of Origami, pg 41,
+Kaleidoscope Flower) craze in DC.  I had one at my booth at the Cherry
+Blossom Festival.  That's what people wanted to make instead of jumping frogs
+or hopping bunnies.  Most people could make the units and join them but I had
+to help them link the first and 7th modules together.

:-)  That is a neat model.  I have found that if you run into difficulty
closing the flower at 7 units, you can just add one more unit and it becomes a
heck of a lot easier to assemble.  And, in my experience, no less of a model.

+Any suggestions for simple modules, simple assembly, not too many pieces to
+teach at fairs?

Beynon's five unit _Patch_Star_ from one of his BOS Booklets (I don't have
it with me).

Neale's eight unit Magic/Expanding Ring thing from Origami Plain and Simple.
    (I don't have book with me )  Very simple units, good for introducing
    inside reverse folds. ;-)

-Doug





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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 17:00:46 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jennifer.Campbell@cciw.ca (Jennifer Campbell)
Subject: Re: the last waltz

Jeannine Mosely wrote about the model called "the last waltz"...

Are you talking about the Neal Elias model of that name? I don't get ORU
and wasn't at the convention, so I'm not certain if it's exactly the same
model. The one I know comes from an old BOS booklet.

>
>What kind of paper do you use?  Even 12 inch kami seems like it would
>be to small.  I used a roll of "fadeless art paper" that I purchased
>at an educational supplies store on Saturday, and started with a
>rectangle 8 by 24 inches.  This paper is a little thick for the
>purpose, and while it may be "fadeless", the black color rubs off on
>my fingers and gets the woman's white dress all dirty.

My husband made that model as a cake decoration for our wedding cake four
years ago. It ended up about 5 inches tall--I don't know what size
rectangle he started with, but now that you have done one with 8x24 you can
calculate a ratio. He HAD to make his model large because of the paper he
used...

He backcoated a piece of black washi and a white machine-made washi
look-alike. The white was really dense paper, although not much thicker
than the black. He experimented with papers and glues to get a combination
where the black ink would not bleed through to the white, or show through
and "grey" the white. The starting rectangle was plenty thick, but folded
much nicer than his trial model made from kami, which split in several
places. As a bonus, once the glue dried, the model was rigid.

>How do you keep the man from looking the a Montroll skunk?  He has
>this white stripe up his back.

I don't remember that being a problem--maybe I just never noticed. I can
say one thing about the model my husband did. The man's coat tails, or the
part that is the bottom of his jacket, ended up somewhat rounded instead of
crisply folded, due to the thickness (and also wetness) of the paper. It
really looks like the man has a rather large bum!

Four years later, and getting a little dusty, The Last Waltz still has a
place of honour in our living room (next to my life-size Montroll lobster,
bien sur).

Jennifer.

       /\_/\       ________
     `(     )' oo /        \
       `==='     | Maguro o |
       /   \     |  kudasai |
      |     |     \________/
      |     |
    ___\___/__Jennifer.Campbell@cciw.ca





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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 17:11:39 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy)" <SYCHEN@ENH.NIST.GOV>
Subject: Re: the last waltz (ORU #12)

At 04:24 PM 4/29/96 -0300, jeannine mosely wrote:
>
>This weekend I made the model called "the last waltz" from the
>directions in issue 12 of ORU magazine.  I have been wanting to make
>

I happened to fold it last week (my first time). Well diagram I got was from
Alasdair. Don't know the difference between this one and the one in ORU.

>What kind of paper do you use?  Even 12 inch kami seems like it would
>be to small.  I used a roll of "fadeless art paper" that I purchased
>at an educational supplies store on Saturday, and started with a
>rectangle 8 by 24 inches.  This paper is a little thick for the
>purpose, and while it may be "fadeless", the black color rubs off on
>my fingers and gets the woman's white dress all dirty.

I don't know fadeless paper would "smear"? I used sort of b/w paper (forgot
brand name and size). Finished model is about 15 cm high. I will double
check on this once I am at home.

>How do you keep the man from looking the a Montroll skunk?  He has
>this white stripe up his back.
>

Tell you the truth. I do get white seam on man's back on mine as well. My
guess would be making some overlapping folds on the paper edge (don't know
if it works!)
I am satisfied with my finished model. White seam does not bother me that
much. I will send mine for my friend's wedding gift. I wish I could WOW them
(for non-origamist). Wish me luck!

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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 17:25:05 -0300 (ADT)
From: Mary Jane Heussner <rgtmjh@gsusgi2.Gsu.EDU>
Subject: Re: the last waltz (ORU #12)

Jeannine,

I folded this model at the convention once and I have the diagrams
somewhere, but I haven't looked at them lately.  Doesn't it use a 1x2
rectangle?  I think we started with something approx. 10x20, but I can't
remember for sure.  The instructor supplied this wonderful paper that had
slightly foil like properties, but didn't look like foil at all.  It was
glossy white on one side and glossy black on the other and the black did
not rub off on the dress.  (I think the class was taught by Roz Joyce with
assistance from Rachel Katz or vice versa, so one of them might know more
about that wonderful paper.) Homemade tissue foil and florist's foil were
also mentioned as good for this model.  I don't remember the white stripe
on the man, but I'm sure mine has one, too.  I don't have any suggestions
for that.

Mary Jane Heussner





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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 19:07:21 -0300 (ADT)
From: slider@ims.mariposa.ca.us (Pat Slider)
Subject: Re: Washi paper

>I often hear about WASHI PAPER. Can someone tell me what is it?
>In which sort of models is it recommended to use this paper?

Washi paper is a kind of handmade paper from Japan (although you can now
get machine-made washi which isn't quite as nice). It is heavier than most
paper and MUCH more durable....Eric Kenneway writes in "Complete Origami"
that washi paper is often used for important documents, i.e. The Treaty of
Versailles, that people would like to last forever.

Most of the washi for origami is printed with stencilled designs, often
with touches of gold. It is quite beautiful and feels silky.

Because it is so thick, washi is really only appropriate for simple
models....To show off the paper and the print, I like the models that have
larger areas of unfolded paper, i.e. butterflies and boxes and ornaments.
Wallets are nice in washi too....All of these models make beautiful gifts.

Bren Riesinger (fascfold@fascinating-folds.com) has a catalog of some
beautiful washi, and she even sends it out with a little sample, which is
good as the pictures in the catalog don't really do the paper justice. But
I don't know if she mails/ships overseas or not. Bren?

pat slider
slider@yosemite.net





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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 19:29:31 -0300 (ADT)
From: Josh Knowles <joshk@eden.com>
Subject: Re: MATH: The Origami/Music Connection

>        By the way, if anyone has any ideas for a possible thesis topic in
>math and music, let me know! (especially if it involves origami  :-)

It might be interesting to investigate the "rhythms" produced by origami
pieces in this manner:

Connect any two defined points (corners of the paper of intersections of
creases) with a straight line. Note what crosses this line and when. Make a
rhythm based on this as if you were travelling along the line at a fixed
rate and each type of "thing" (ie point, crease, edge) makes a different
sound (or note) as you pass over it. This may or may not lead to some
interesting rhythmical patterns...

Sumthin' to think about.

Check out http://www.eden.com/~joshk/thought/origami.html for more about the
mathematics of origami. Tell me what you think! ;-)

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