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Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 15:16:15 -0300
From: Nick Robinson <Nick@homelink.demon.co.uk>
Subject: the late Ed Sullivan

In message <v01530501ad9492751bcc@[129.119.254.128]>, "Jerry D. Harris"
<jdharris@post.cis.smu.edu> writes

>perhaps
>someone could contact Mr. Sullivan and see if he'd allow it to be uploaded
>to the ftp site?

Unlikely, since he died a few years ago - perhapsd a ouija board might
help?

cheers,
Nick Robinson
nick@homelink.demon.co.uk
http://alf2.mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk:1500/nickdata.html

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Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 15:22:24 -0300
From: Nick Robinson <Nick@homelink.demon.co.uk>
Subject: edible folds

In message <199604122042.AA23140@Menudo.UH.EDU>, Michael Adcock
<adcock@Menudo.UH.EDU> writes

>I must admit, I've never seen anyone *taste* an origami model as they fold it.

Try a rice-paper cicada - if it looks awful, eat the evidence!
cheers,
Nick Robinson
nick@homelink.demon.co.uk
http://alf2.mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk:1500/nickdata.html

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Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 18:28:12 -0300
From: Dorkostop@aol.com

the list, i am also brand new to origami. none of the
postings i got seemed to have a lot to do with origami... can you download
instructions for how to do certain things with origami or what? i am
interested in staying on but want to make it relevant
thanks





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Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 23:55:37 -0300
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Business Cards

Some alternatives to using your printed business cards
to experiment with Business Card models/modules:

NOTE: All but the "do-it-youself" BCards will get you
something with Business Card proportions (4:7), NOT exact
same SIZE as business cards, which are 2 in x 3.5 in.

1. Do-It-Yourself business cards, in sheets of ten to
run through a laser printer are available in plain and
fancy preprinted designs from stationers and several
mail-order supply places such as Paper Direct. These are
a lighter weight than the heaviest commercially printed
cards, but have good micro-perf edges to separate the
cards, and fold very well.

2. Square paper: remove a strip 1/8th width of square to
get a rectangle 7:8. Then divide in half through the
longer sides ("8") to get the "4" dimension. To get 8
cards per sheet, divide in half twice more.

3. USA letter size (8.5 in x 11 in): Fold in thirds in
the 11 in direction (11/3). Then fold in 1/4ths the other
way (8.5/4) to get 12 pieces. Not quite 4:7, but close
enough even for modulars when working with heavy paper or
light cardboard.

4. Do-It-yourself paper suppliers (eg. PaperDirect) sell
28 and 38 lb cardstock in 8.5 x 11 prescored in thirds for
printing tri-fold brochures. This comes in colored designs,
some printed on both sides. The scores can be used to get
the thirds (see 3 above), and the cardstock is a good weight
for BCard modules. There are also microperfed "Certificates"
that come 3 per 8.5 x 11 sheet.

5. Iomega ZIPP disks. These are turning up all over the place
as they're a great cheap backup device for both PCs and Macs.
The disks come in a plastic "jewel case" similar to that used
for CDROMs. The cardstock liner has a piece you tear off to
expose the disk label. The "throwaway piece" makes 2 BCard
proportion cards. (How's that for "found paper", folks? :-)
Its kind of a nifty purple and red design...

--valerie
Valerie Vann
75070.304@compuserve.com





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Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 00:09:24 -0300
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: cool origami VRML site showcased by c|net!

<<VRML inside view of origami model..>>

Trouble with this is to get the same point of view while folding,
you'd have to be inside the model... :-)

Yikes: "Honey, I shrunk the kids and one of them is trapped inside
a half-made Lang Helmet Beetle..."

By the way, for some polyhedron VRML, follow the link on Joseph's
origami "mother page" (under related stuff) to The Pavilion of
Polyhedreality". And while you're there, check out the gorgeous
handmade plastic polyhedron model collection that's in need of
a permanent home...

--valerie
Valerie Vann
75070.304@compuserve.com
<< I am not V'Ann Cornelius and she is not me  :-) >>

--valerie





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Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 00:13:16 -0300
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Plateaus and Re: Skill

<<tasting origami paper>>

It has been mentioned here before that many folders use the
old school trick of running their tongue along a paper crease
in order to make it tear more easily. I also suggest, half in
jest, to Jeannine Mosley that doing this to the stiffer variety
of business cards as a variation on "wet folding" helps to make
the creases easier and and more permanent.

<<toxic origami paper>>

Some of the inks used on Japanese origami paper does indeed have
a strong enough chemical odor (not very nice) that you can tell
which side the color is on. Red & purple particularly. I've often
wondered just what kind of inks are being used; they SHOULD be
non-toxic for use with children, but does anyone know for sure?
Some slick (glazed) papers and the plastic finished "foils" eg
holographics smell terrible to me. Probably one reason why I tend
to stick to regular old paper.

--valerie
Valerie Vann
75070.304@compuserve.com





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Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 09:11:03 -0300
From: Nick Robinson <Nick@homelink.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: ORIGAMI-L digest 303

In message <960413111752_190376121@emout09.mail.aol.com>,
DORIGAMI@aol.com writes

>trying to decode digests

I'm trying the Turnpike mail software & it allows me to reply to
individual messages within a digest message - this seems to be the best
of both worlds! I downloaded it via their web page..

cheers,
Nick Robinson
nick@homelink.demon.co.uk
http://alf2.mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk:1500/nickdata.html

Turnpike evaluation. For Turnpike information, mailto:info@turnpike.com





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Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 11:51:11 -0300
From: marmonk@eskimo.com (Mark Morden)
Subject: Origami in the movies

The new movie that just opened, "James and the Giant Peach," uses origami as
part of the story.  It's not nearly as sophisticated as Bladerunner, but it
is an element that moves the plot along at one point.  James is "trapped"
with two mean aunts and wants to go to New York from England.  Alone in his
room one night he draws a picture of New York on an old bag of potato chips
(crisps?) (found paper!) and then folds it into a waterbomb-base ballon.
Using a candle from an old birthday cake he rigs it into a hot-air ballon
and sends it out his window.  Oh yes, he is singing a song the whole time.
Later the ballon shows up again and is involved with how the peach gets so
big and he becomes animated.

For those interested, two thumbs up for the movie, even for adults.  Very
imaginative story and animation.

Mark

Mark Morden == marmonk@mail.eskimo.com
--------------------------------------------------------
I believe in Christianity as I belive in the rising sun;
not because I see it but by it I see all else.
                                           C.S. Lewis





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Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 14:55:41 -0300
From: John Smith <jon.pure@paston.co.uk>
Subject: Boiling Water in paper

I noticed the recent contributions on boiling water held in paper. I thought
the following was of interest:-

Boys Own Paper, January 17th 1891, page 268.

Instructions are given for making a paper kettle, this is a waterbomb with
two flaps left out and is I think well known.

You are instructed to tie strings to the ears (ie flaps), and half fill the
kettle with water. Using the strings you hold the kettle over a gas jet or
lamp flame so that the flame just touches the box, but it must not touch any
paper where there is no water. It says you can boil water without any
difficulty in this manner.

The article says that the author had previously folded a printer's hat and
boiled the water successfully in that.

Anyone know of an earlier reference than this?

keep things simple, John.
John Smith
Norwich
England
e-mail  jon.pure@paston.co.uk





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Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 20:46:40 -0300
From: Aimee Miura <aimeem@ohana.com>
Subject: Re: un-unfoldable box

> >>Where does one find Ed Sullivan's box?  Does anyone know?
> >
> >I've got it in BOS no 121 ? December 1986.
>
>         It's also on p. 120 of the 1989 FOCA Annual Collection, available

Is this the same un-unfoldable box by Ed Sullivan that is on page 54-5 of
Paul Jackson's _Classic Origami_ (ISBN 0-792-45356-8)?





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Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 21:07:23 -0300
From: dzimm@nando.net (David Zimmerman)
Subject: Re: Plateaus and Re: Skill

"> Oded Streigold wrote ..."
>
>
>    Michael Adcock wrote:
> ><snip>
> >I must admit, I've never seen anyone *taste* an origami model as they fold
     it.
> >(O.K. so I'm being a bit bizarre here...)
> >
>
>  You sometimes puff air into a fold, and I sometime vacuum a fold with my
     mouth to pull some paper up. Sure looks strange to people in the bus!
>

I've been seen puffing up a frog from underneath. Definitely looks suspicious.

--
David P Zimmerman             dzimm@nando.net
916 Riderwood Ct               919 557 7692
WillowSpring NC 27592           D-17293

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
                     Clarke's Law





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Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 22:02:25 -0300
From: Kevin Thorne <c598033@showme.missouri.edu>
Subject: Re: your mail

On Sat, 13 Apr 1996 Dorkostop@aol.com wrote:

> Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 18:31:00 -0300
> From: Dorkostop@aol.com
> To: Multiple recipients of list <origami-l@nstn.ca>
>
> the list, i am also brand new to origami. none of the
> postings i got seemed to have a lot to do with origami... can you download
> instructions for how to do certain things with origami or what? i am
> interested in staying on but want to make it relevant
> thanks
>

        Of course we can help you out with instructions, etc.  All you
have to do is write about what model you are working on and what book
it's from and discuss the step you are haveing trouble with.  Many people
on the list will have the book(more than likely) and will gladly coach
you through the model.

        It's true that some of the posting aren't about origami and
shouldn't be on here, but others discuss other aspects of origami, like a
movie they saw origami used in, or where to buy the hippest, way coolest
piece of paper you ever saw, etc.  The majority of messages are relevant
to origami in some aspect, and if you ever wan help in folding something,
don't wait to write about it and we'll help you out.

Kevin

c598033@showme.missouri.edu





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Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 22:22:21 -0300
From: barber@nol.net (Alex Barber)
Subject: Web site updates

A few weeks ago, Laurie Reynolds sent me some photos from last year's OUSA
convention in New York.  I finally got Laurie's pix up on my site for
everyone, and I'd like to thank Laurie for sharing her images with me. If
anyone has any other photos from last year, please contact me.

The site is http://www.nol.net/~barber
All the origami bits are under http://www.nol.net/~barber/origami
Convention shots are under http://www.nol.net/~barber/origami/Ousa95.html

Alex Barber

barber@nol.net | http://www.nol.net/~barber
                 http://www.printnet.com/abarber/barber.html

I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or
numbered.  My life is my own.





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Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 23:00:36 -0300
From: "Na. (NAKANISHI Ken-ichi)" <nakanish@pd.scei.sony.co.jp>
Subject: Re: Origami Insects

Hello again, all!

I'm subscribing this list again.

I folded "dragonfly" this weekend.  It has some tough sinks and
I teared the center of the paper:-P, but I finished it.

This weekend we had an editorial meeting of Tanteidan Newsletter.
We talked about Origami Insect book, and Nishikawa-san said the
hercules beetle is excellent.  Of course we agreed.  I was
surprised at the Lang model which I can fold with 15cm square
sheet of ordinary origami paper!

--
nakanish@pd.scei.sony.co.jp (NAKANISHI Ken-ichi, not Kenichi Nakanishi)





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Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 23:27:19 -0300
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: your mail (questions from newcomer)

The nature of the mail list tends to contribute to the
majority of messages being discussions about various
aspects of origami, that is, verbal rather than graphic.

Also many folks exchange more detailed diagrams in
the form of Postscript print files, rather than viewable
graphics with often inadequate resolution. These files
tend to be rather large, not the sort of thing one wants
filling up one's mail box routinely. So usually someone
will post a message asking those who are interested to
email them privately. Or often they will park the file
on a Web page or FTP site such as the archive associated
with the list. (You should have received a message about
the archives when you subscribed.)

Some non-origami stuff does turn up, but I think its because
the list is like a circle of friends who share a major
interest but occasionally talk about other things of common
interest. Nobody "moderates" ("polices") the list, but if
the topic gets really far out, usually someone (like the one
who started the diversion) will call a halt shortly.

So give us a trial, and watch for Web site references, and
announcements of available files.

--valerie
Valerie Vann
75070.304@compuserve.com
http://users.aol.com/valerivann/index.html  [Modular Origami Page]





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Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 07:29:10 -0300
From: ciarlma6@etud.dauphine.fr (ciarlet mathieu)
Subject: love and hate

Hi everybody,

Just to tell that this week end I attacked myself to Montroll's Lobster or
     Lang's one as
it's taken from Origami sea life. Anyway my point is that while reading I just
     couldn't
help me worshipping such a magnifiscent creation , and thus the creator. BUT
     the folding
wasn't that fun. Along the steps my feelings of worship were being replaced by
     somehow
what could be called hate. Sink fold here, tiny tiny tiny reverse folds there;
     I know I'm
fond of mini origami but that's not a reason. BUT eventually everything turned
     out well
and an immense wave of pride took over me, so now I defenitely worship Montroll
     and Lang.
BTW, can anyone tell me if a 4-star Montroll-rated is among the hardest origami
     or there
exists a LOT more difficult.
oh another BTW, I thank everyone who contributed to my searchs of a Locomotive
     model. I'll
get in touch with the ones who offered or would exchange diagrams,

bye bye

Mathieu Ciarlet         ciarlma6@etud.dauphine.fr
http://www.dauphine.fr/~ciarlma6/
"May the fold be with you"





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Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 08:18:12 -0300
From: "Dorinha M.S.S. Vitti" <dmssvitt@carpa.ciagri.usp.br>
Subject: Re: ORIGAMI-L digest 303

I had the same problem. To get  off from digest, write:
set origami-l mail postpone  (  and no messages will sent to you), then
write: set origami-l mail ack  ( and you return to the normal way). Dorinha
On Sat, 13 Apr 1996 DORIGAMI@aol.com wrote:

> Please put me back on the regular Origami-L messages without the digest.  I
> am spending inordinate amounts of time trying to  unstuff or expand the
> digests.  I have sent messages as directed to no avail.....please get me off
> the digest somehow.





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Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 11:21:01 -0300
From: Jeannine Mosely <j9@concentra.com>
Subject: Re: Business Cards

Valerie suggests some ways of getting business card substitutes for
folding purposes.  I have another suggestion.  Make friends with a
printer.  I built a stellated rhombic triacontahedron out of 120 old
business cards and gave it to a printer.  Now he has all his employees
put bad print runs in a special bin for me to collect on Tuesdays.
(The recyclers pick-up on Wednesday.)

        -- jeannine mosely





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Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 13:28:15 -0300
From: A004773%LBVM1.profs@lbgwy.mdc.com
Subject: Alex Barber's WEB Page

 I can't get to www.nol.net - Netscape goes into a "waiting for reply"
 mode and never gets there.  So I tried Traceroute in PC/TCPIP and get
 what is shown below.  The trace knows the site's IPA but never gets
 there.

 My guess is that there's a "firewall" up between my site and Alex's...

 Tracing route to target: 206.126.32.200
 Hop:        IP Address:        Domain Name:        Round-Trip Time (ms)
    1         129.200.58.1         WANK54.MDC.COM         55
    2         129.200.59.1         WANLB-S5.MDC.COM         165
    3         129.200.62.3         LBISO.MDC.COM         385
    4         129.200.33.2         CERFNET-LINK.MDC.COM         385
    5         134.24.65.103         uci-mdc.cerf.net         165
    6         134.24.95.5         wilshire-la-smds-ds3.cerf.net         110
    7         134.24.9.112         ucop-sf-ds3-smds.cerf.net         110
    8         149.20.64.9         border3-hssi1-0.SanFrancisco.mci.net       164
    9         204.70.2.161         core1-fddi-0.SanFrancisco.mci.net         165
   10         204.70.4.13         core3.Dallas.mci.net         274
   11         204.70.1.122         core1-hssi-3.Houston.mci.net         275
   12         204.70.3.98         border2-fddi-0.Houston.mci.net         219
   13         204.70.37.18         networks-on-line.Houston.mci.net         330
   14         206.126.32.200         ** mirror.nol.net **         604
  Target www.nol.net reached.

 John Andrisan
 IBMMAIL: USMCDQND   Internet: a004773%lbvm1.profs@lbgwy.mdc.com





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Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 15:30:54 -0300
From: Jack.Thomas.Weres@att.com
Subject: Origami Balloon in "James and the Giant Peach"

fellow folders,,,

> Using a candle from an old birthday cake he rigs it into a hot-air ballon
> and sends it out his window.  Oh yes, he is singing a song the whole time.
> Later the ballon shows up again and is involved with how the peach gets so
> big and he becomes animated.

my origami question regarding the origami balloon was:

can you ACTUALLY do this???
i mean
      put a candle into a paper balloon
      and have it take flight WITHOUT burning up???

  /-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-///plieur de papier\\\-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-\
 /=-= jack thomas weres                       jtweres@psp.ih.att.com =-=\
/=======================\\\================///===========================\
"Let Go and Let Fold"                               "One Crease At A Time"





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Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 19:35:29 -0300
From: Eric Andersen <Eric_Andersen@brown.edu>
Subject: Re: Fwd: "final" chain letter

At 04:12 PM 4/15/96 -0300, you wrote:
>...
>>
>>>>>           ***THIS IS THE WORLD'S FINAL CHAIN LETTER***
..

    I find this very inappropriate to send to the origami-l mailing list.
Someone mentioned earlier about the relevance of posts, and although I
usually enjoy some divergence that may only be slightly related to origami,
chain letters have no
place here.

        Back to origami...I have eight more models to make to complete my
Origami Insects web page. Actually I have the cicada already done but I
can't seem to get the body to curve properly without risking ripping the
paper vertically...any suggestions??? Thanks!

-Eric  :-P

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
         A                   A
        /|\            \    /|\
       / | \            \\ / | \ /7\            \./
      /__|__\            \/__|__\/            a miniature
      \  |  /             \_/ \_/               Lang butterfly
       \ | /             Flapping
        \|/                bird
         V                       Eric Andersen   origami@brown.edu
     Bird Base      http://techhouse.brown.edu/~tech/eric/origami.html
         Robert Lang models online! Coming soon: the VRML version :-)





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Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 22:52:54 -0300
From: Allen Parry <parry@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: Plateaus and Re: Skill

On Sun, 14 Apr 1996, David Zimmerman wrote:

> "> Oded Streigold wrote ..."
> >    Michael Adcock wrote:
> > ><snip>
> > >I must admit, I've never seen anyone *taste* an origami model as they fold
     it.
> > >(O.K. so I'm being a bit bizarre here...)
> > >

In being a money folder...

I must admit, I never paid attention to mom when she told me not to put
that dirty money in my mouth.  You didn't know where its been.

When folding Engel's one dollar crab, step 11 says "...this may be a good
time to press the model in a vise...".  I don't always carry a vise in my
back pocket, but those good old molars work great in a pinch.

Allen Parry
parry@eskimo.com





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Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 23:39:04 -0300
From: Steve Arlow <yorick@conch.aa.msen.com>
Subject: Re(4): Chain letter + ObOrigami

BLUEEYS@delphi.com writes:
>
>   I just joined this list. What on earth is a stinking
>CHAIN LETTER doing on it?????

Wasting bandwidth.  :)  That was easy, any other questions?

People do this from time to time.  The appropriate response is
to simply send a copy of the entire message, headers and all,
to the postmaster at the perpetrator's service provider.  In
this case, that is "postmaster@gnn.com", and perhaps to the
list maintainer as well.  No need to compllain to the whole
list about it, though -- that only makes matters worse.

If the perpetrator is a periodic contributor to the list, I am
inclined to grant some leeway on a first offense, but if not,
they should get the boot and be blocked from posting to the
list in the future.

      -- Steve Arlow

ObOrigami:  John Montroll has now obliterated ;-) what was my
            greatest contribution (however meagre) to the art:

            It was a straightforward matter to take Montroll's
            five-sided bird base to make a two-headed version
            of the classic Neale dragon.  But then I noticed
            that one part of that 5-sided bird base has an
            extra corner that can be pulled out, and I devised
            a way of forming the extra paper into a third,
            identical head.  Never diagrammed it, though.  :(

            Unlike the five-headed version of the Neale
            dragon that can be made from a blintzed bird base
            (Ken Kawamura of Butterfly-Bomb fame taught me
            that one), this one does not have an unsightly
            hump on its back, because the top of it can still
            be sunk pentagonally after the extra paper has
            been pulled out.  (I don't think it's possible to
            sink (octagonally?) the top of a blintzed bird
            base -- the paper is locked together too well.  At
            least, I've never been able to do it, and I've
            certainly tried.)

            But now Montroll has devised his own three-headed
            dragon for his latest book, dooming my humble
            innovation to irrelevance.  (I have not folded it
            yet, though it will probably be the next new model
            I fold.)  There are probably other interesting
            things that can be done with the extra paper in
            JM's five-sided bird base, though...

               -- SEA

--
 "Your dog stuffs his tongue up your nose.   |  Steve Arlow, Yorick Software
  It's a good omen.  You press on."          |  39336 Polo Club Dr. #103,
     -- Bernie E. Mireault, in _The JAM..._  |  Farmington Hills, MI  48335
            (.sig contest has been won)      |  http://www.msen.com/~yorick





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Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 00:05:18 -0300
From: Alan Light <alight@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Skill

Brett wrote:
>
> >So my conclussion is that what is requires is not a matter of skill but
> >rather the ability to read the author's mind.
> >

> I bought Angelfish to Zen, about 3 weeks ago, and haven't finished a thing
> out of it yet.  The models are stunning.
>
> The model I keep trying is the crab.  I get stuck VERY early.  I think it's
> step 11 the paper looks like a very wide angular valentine heart.
>
> I can get the paper to the shape, and then to the shape in the next diagram
> but then, uh .. .. heh heh .... Uh Duh.

The problem with that model is that is seems to have been designed
for paper that has no thickness and infinite strength.

The model is *very* thick at that step, and you are just getting
started...

--
/-\ |_ /-\ |\|  Alan Light  alight@panix.com
(finger alight@panix.com for PGP public key)

History's third dimension is always fiction.  -- Hermann Hesse





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Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 00:53:30 -0300
From: marckrsh@pipeline.com (Marc Kirschenbaum)
Subject: Ripping models (was Re: Fwd: "final" chain letter)

On Apr 15, 1996 19:35:29, 'Eric Andersen <Eric_Andersen@brown.edu>' wrote:

>I have eight more models to make to complete my
>Origami Insects web page. Actually I have the cicada already done but I
>can't seem to get the body to curve properly without risking ripping the
>paper vertically...any suggestions??? Thanks!

Whenever I encounter an area in a model that is structurally challenged, I
will reinforce the problem area with scotch tape. I do this by unfolding
the model at a strategic moment in the folding sequence, and then apply the
tape along the interior of the model (so it will not be visable). I have
always felt that tape is fine with origami, provided it does not alter the
original topology.

Marc





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Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 03:11:58 -0300
From: Namir Gharaibeh <U50879@UICVM.CC.UIC.EDU>
Subject: Eric Andersen's web pages

Is anyone else having problems connecting to Eric Andersen's web
pages?  It just keeps trying and trying, and says there's no response
or the server's down.  ?  I wanted to check out his new insects.

ObOrigami: I just finished Lang's scorpion out of his book "Insects and
Their Kin" and wanted to say, way cool.  I used paper that makes it puff
up, so I'll probably run it through some steam.  Then fold it out
of nicer paper.  Does anyone like this model better than Peter Engel's?

+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Me and the world, see, we got  :            Namir Gharaibeh           |
|     this understanding.        :     a.k.a.  U50879@uicvm.uic.edu     |
|                                :   University of Illinois at Chicago  |





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Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 06:13:02 -0300
From: "M.J.van.Gelder" <M.J.van.Gelder@rc.rug.nl>
Subject: Models in the archives

I added the bookmarks and the Chinese Units (PostScript version) to the model
directory in the archives (ftp://ftp.rug.nl/origami/models).
I also rearranged some files in subdirectories (basket, mantis, peacock, and
others).
During the rearrangement I lost the second part of the basket by Andrew
Anselmo. Who has a copy of that PostScript file (or both parts) and can
put it in the .incoming directory?

Maarten van Gelder,           Rekencentrum RuG,  RijksUniversiteit Groningen
M.J.van.Gelder@rc.rug.nl                         Nederland





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Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 10:36:51 -0300
From: casida@ere.umontreal.ca (Casida Mark)
Subject: Re: Ripping models

Marc wrote :

> I have
> always felt that tape is fine with origami, provided it does not alter the
> original topology.

Is that a confession? ;-)

                            Another Mark

--
*-------------------------------------------------------*
|          Mark E. Casida                               |
|          e-mail: casida@chimcn.umontreal.ca           |





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Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 10:45:18 -0300
From: Brett <BrettAndJill@OIA.Net>
Subject: Re: Plateaus and Re: Skill

At 09:06 PM 4/15/96 -0500, you wrote:

>When folding Engel's one dollar crab, step 11 says "...this may be a good
>time to press the model in a vise...".  I don't always carry a vise in my
>back pocket, but those good old molars work great in a pinch.
>
>
>Allen Parry
>parry@eskimo.com

I didn't want to admit actually biting a model made of paper a little to
thick, someone might think I'm some sort of freak.

Thanks Allen for bringing me out of the closet. ;)

Brett
BrettAndJill@OIA.Net





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Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 10:50:06 -0300
From: dzimm@nando.net (David Zimmerman)
Subject: Re: Origami Balloon in "James and the Giant Peach"

"> Jack.Thomas.Weres@att.com wrote ..."
>
> fellow folders,,,
>
> my origami question regarding the origami balloon was:
>
> can you ACTUALLY do this???
> i mean
>       put a candle into a paper balloon
>       and have it take flight WITHOUT burning up???

When I was kid we lived in Brazil for a few years. On their
independence day (for the life of me, I cann't remeber the date) they
build paper ballons out of tissue paper with a hole in the bottom and
little bit of wire to hold a gauze, bee's wax and kersone torch. These
ballons varied from a foot or so across (used a candle) to tens of feet
across.  They launch these things at night and the torch lights up the
beutiful paper as they float across the sky. The least bit of wind,
however, would tip the thing a little bit, the paper would catch and
down it would come unto somebosies roof. Good thing the roofs were
mostly tiled. Very often the torch would just burn out and the balloon
would float gently to earth in the morning.

--
David P Zimmerman             dzimm@nando.net
916 Riderwood Ct               919 557 7692
WillowSpring NC 27592           D-17293

"I went into a restaurant that advertised "breakfast anytime" so I ordered
eggs during the rennaisance."                                 Steven Wright





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Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 10:54:47 -0300
From: Brett <BrettAndJill@OIA.Net>
Subject: Re: Re(4): Chain letter + ObOrigami

At 09:56 PM 4/15/96 -0500, you wrote:
>
>BLUEEYS@delphi.com writes:
>            been pulled out.  (I don't think it's possible to
>            sink (octagonally?) the top of a blintzed bird
>            base -- the paper is locked together too well.  At
>            least, I've never been able to do it, and I've
>            certainly tried.)
>
I think in Origami for the connieuseur (sp, whatever) that there is a sea
snail shell of some kind that has an octagonal sink.  And on top of that it
is double or triple.

Brett
BrettAndJill@OIA.Net





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Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 11:02:32 -0300
From: Brett <BrettAndJill@OIA.Net>
Subject: Re: Eric Andersen's web pages

At 01:20 AM 4/16/96 -0500, you wrote:

>ObOrigami: I just finished Lang's scorpion out of his book "Insects and
>Their Kin" and wanted to say, way cool.  I used paper that makes it puff
>up, so I'll probably run it through some steam.  Then fold it out
>of nicer paper.  Does anyone like this model better than Peter Engel's?
>

Actually I liked the scorpion out of Complete Origami (Lang) better than the
new one.  Although the older one's folding sequence at the beginning was a
little freaky.  It had a nice shape to it though.  Haven't tried either of
them though.

Brett
BrettAndJill@OIA.Net





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Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 11:13:29 -0300
From: "NIGEL POTTLE, TEACHER-LIBRARIAN, WOODLANDS ELEM. SCHOOL"@Owl.nstn.ca
Subject: Re: useful origami

I'm not a scientist, but a colletor of trivia (in memory banks only), and
the reason you can boil water in a paper cup is because the boiling point of
water is 212 degrees F, while paper's flash point is 451 degrees F. A book by
I think Ray Bradbury called Fahrenheit 451, is a science fiction novel about
burning books. An interesting side note to paper folding.

Nigel Pottle
npottle@cbe.ab.ca





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Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 11:59:09 -0300
From: Eric Andersen <Eric_Andersen@brown.edu>
Subject: Re: Eric Andersen's web pages

At 03:16 AM 4/16/96 -0300, you wrote:
>Is anyone else having problems connecting to Eric Andersen's web
>pages?  It just keeps trying and trying, and says there's no response
>or the server's down.  ?  I wanted to check out his new insects.

I live in a specialty dorm here at Brown called Technology House and we
decided to have our own server instead of putting our web pages on
www.brown.edu (hence the "techhouse.brown.edu" in the URL). Our server is
actually my friend Arnold's computer, and every so often he needs to take
the server offline to do various things. If the server is down just wait an
hour or so, it's usually not down too often. I hope to be finding a
permanent home for my pages soon...and I will have a bunch of Origami Hearts
models up soon also.

-Eric  :-P

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
         A                   A
        /|\            \    /|\
       / | \            \\ / | \ /7\            \./
      /__|__\            \/__|__\/            a miniature
      \  |  /             \_/ \_/               Lang butterfly
       \ | /             Flapping
        \|/                bird
         V                       Eric Andersen   origami@brown.edu
     Bird Base      http://techhouse.brown.edu/~tech/eric/origami.html
         Robert Lang models online! Coming soon: the VRML version :-)





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Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 12:12:25 -0300
From: Steve Arlow <yorick@conch.aa.msen.com>
Subject: Sinking the top of Blintzed Bird (was: Re(4): Chain...)

Note: Attributions corrected!

Brett <BrettAndJill@OIA.Net> writes:
>Steve Arlow <yorick@msen.com> writes:
>>            been pulled out.  (I don't think it's possible to
>>            sink (octagonally?) the top of a blintzed bird
>>            base -- the paper is locked together too well.  At
>>            least, I've never been able to do it, and I've
>>            certainly tried.)
>>
>I think in Origami for the connieuseur (sp, whatever) that there is a sea
>snail shell of some kind that has an octagonal sink.  And on top of that it
>is double or triple.

Yes, and I've done that one.  But that model starts with
an ordinary bird base with the sides squash-folded.  The
top part of the model can be opened out flat to do the
"ocatagonal hextuple open sink".

But with a blintzed bird base, the top part of the paper
has several layers locked together,  <fold fold fold>
because the center of the paper has already been sunk
once in the making of the blintzed bird base.  I suppose
that what is really required is an "ocatagonal double
closed sink -- if there's really room for the paper in
there, and I'm not sure that there is.

Perhaps there is some way to get the sink started
earlier on in the folding.  I will experiment further.

  -- Steve Arlow

--
 "Your dog stuffs his tongue up your nose.   |  Steve Arlow, Yorick Software
  It's a good omen.  You press on."          |  39336 Polo Club Dr. #103,
     -- Bernie E. Mireault, in _The JAM..._  |  Farmington Hills, MI  48335
            (.sig contest has been won)      |  http://www.msen.com/~yorick





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Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 12:25:47 -0300
From: "Ashley G. Perrien" <perr2232@kutztown.edu>
Subject: Need suggestions for origami display

Hi all,
        I have a showcase signed up in the art building of the college I
go to for the beginning of the fall semester. It will, of course, be
devoted completely to origami, I thought it would be fun to educate the
public on what origami really is and what's possible outside of the
simple crane and jumping frog. I consider myself a somewhat advanced
folder since I'm mostly into the complex origami (Insects and such) and
have been quite successful with the models.
        I do however have a few questions. The models will have to hold
their shape for about 2 weeks and I don't think I'm going to be able to
go over and adjust them every day. I assume I'll have to either use glue
or sticky tack to hold the models shape or perhaps place something inside
for the models to hold steady. Do any of you have any other
suggestions? I hate having to compromise on my rules but I really don't
see any other way.
        Also, which models have you found to be the most impressive in
general? I don't have a huge collection of books so my resources are
rather limited. The ones I do have are Origami: Angelfish to Zen,
Origami Zoo, Insects and their Kin, Animal origami for the Enthusiast,
and Brilliant Origami. Are there any must have books that I'm missing?
This display is giving me a great excuse to buy books and supplies I
wouldn't normally get :-))))) I do plan on getting Montrolls new book
on mythological creatures also.
        I would like to have a model of the demon in there but don't have
the book for it. Would it be a copyright infringement for someone to
photocopy the instructions and mail them to me? Is there any way to get
it short of buying the whole book which I belive isn't in English. If I'm
wrong, pleast let me know!
        I'd also like to have a small write up on the history of origami.
Engles book has a good section in it but are there any other resources
out there? I believe someones homepage has some documents on it.
        Finally, if anyone has any suggestions on themes or anything at
all, it would be greatly appreciated. I've never had a display set up so
any help would be most welcome.

Thanks for any suggestions, all are welcome!
AshleyP





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Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 13:33:08 -0300
From: A004773%LBVM1.profs@lbgwy.mdc.com
Subject: hot air baloon of paper

 Maybe we can combine the water-boiling in a paper pot with a paper
 baloon and get a steam baloon?  Maybe the water's too heavy...

 John Andrisan, departing soon...
 IBMMAIL: USMCDQND   Internet: a004773%lbvm1.profs@lbgwy.mdc.com





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Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 14:32:22 -0300
From: Pat Slider <slider@ims.mariposa.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Need suggestions for origami display

>       Also, which models have you found to be the most impressive in
>general? I don't have a huge collection of books so my resources are
>rather limited. The ones I do have are Origami: Angelfish to Zen,
>Origami Zoo, Insects and their Kin, Animal origami for the Enthusiast,
>and Brilliant Origami. Are there any must have books that I'm missing?
>This display is giving me a great excuse to buy books and supplies I
>wouldn't normally get :-))))) I do plan on getting Montrolls new book
>on mythological creatures also.

I would suggest getting a copy of "Sousaku Origami" by Akira Yoshizawa (in
Japanese, mind you). You might have to close your eyes though! OUSA sells it
for $42, but it is a beautiful hardback with a ribbon :->. I do think this
book has a high percentage of wowable models! OUSA says they will only have
this book for a limited time by the way....Maybe Bren at Fascinating Folds
can special order it, too? Some of the models in the photos are arranged in
tableus, i.e. frogs on lily pads. Might give you some ideas for displays too.

Now on my book review poll/archive collection (which I'll release at the end
of this month....I guess :->, I have stalled out in the 1994 archives), the
top books in order are:

Origami From Angelfish to Zen, Peter Engel
Origami for the Connoisseur, Kunihiko Kasahara
Origami Boxes, Tomoko Fuse
Unit Origami, Tomoko Fuse
Origami Insects and Their Kin, Robert Lang
Origami Sculptures, John Montroll
Origami Sea Life, Lang & Montroll
Origami Fantasy, Fumiaki Kawahata
Viva Origami, Kasahara & Maekawa
Origami for the Enthusiast, Montroll
Origami Omnibus, Kunihiko Kasahara
Secrets of Origami, Robert Harbin

You might try seeing what your local library has! Most library systems have
ways of letting you request books from other libraries too....You might get
your local librarian to help you. Good chance you can get an out-of-print
Kasahara for a month. (For example, the San Joaquin Library System in
California has "Origami Omnibus".)

pat slider
slider@yosemite.net





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Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 18:09:52 -0300
From: JovianSoft@aol.com
Subject: Re: Need suggestions for origami display

For you origami display, I'd suggest you buy Tomoko Fuse's book on modular
origami and build some giant modulars. I particularly like the bow-tie cube.
(12 sheets of paper)

Just a thought

Neil





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Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 18:56:56 -0300
From: Patrick Antouly <100332.1710@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Origami Balloon in "James and the Giant Peach"

>      put a candle into a paper balloon
>      and have it take flight WITHOUT burning up???

Why not if the baloon i large enought, but I think that then, the hot air from
the
candle would not be sufficient to raise up the baloon.





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Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 19:00:41 -0300
From: Brett <BrettAndJill@OIA.Net>
Subject: Re: Need suggestions for origami display

At 12:52 PM 4/16/96 -0500, you wrote:
>
>
>>      Also, which models have you found to be the most impressive in
>>general? I don't have a huge collection of books so my resources are
>>rather limited. The ones I do have are Origami: Angelfish to Zen,
>>Origami Zoo, Insects and their Kin, Animal origami for the Enthusiast,
>>and Brilliant Origami. Are there any must have books that I'm missing?
>>This display is giving me a great excuse to buy books and supplies I
>>wouldn't normally get :-))))) I do plan on getting Montrolls new book
>>on mythological creatures also.

I would also suggest something similar to Pat.  I've never seen the
Yoshizawa book but, if there is a limited supply I would jump on it.

Heres a simple rule;
Buy the more obscure, expensive, or foreign language books FIRST.  They seem
to be harder to come by, and you may not get a second chance.

Brett
BrettAndJill@OIA.Net





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Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 19:05:00 -0300
From: marckrsh@pipeline.com (Marc Kirschenbaum)
Subject: Re: Ripping models

On Apr 16, 1996 10:36:51, 'casida@ere.umontreal.ca (Casida Mark)' wrote:

>Marc wrote :
>
>> I have
>> always felt that tape is fine with origami, provided it does not alter
the
>> original topology.
>
>Is that a confession? ;-)

I do not have any feeling of guilt about it, but yes I have used tape for
reinforcing models. Also, for most of the complex models I teach, I make
sure I have a roll of tape handy. Most of my students have seemed
bewildered at this sight, but by the end of the class, most have them have
repaired their failed cloed-sinks with a patchwork of tape.

Marc





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Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 19:16:42 -0300
From: Kim Best <Kim.Best@m.cc.utah.EDU>
Subject: The Bee diagram.

Has anyone been able to successfully view the Postscript files in the
/origami/bee directory on rugcis.rug.nl?  I have tryed to view the files
using 3 different utilities, and all three have been unable to load them.

I get this image in my head of a bee model with the complexity of Lang,
combined with a striped abdomen, ala Montroll!

Kim Best                            *******************************
                                    *    Curse you Robert!!       *
Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   *  Now my apartment is being  *
420 Chipeta Way #120                *    Overrun with insects!    *
Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         *******************************





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Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 19:40:18 -0300
From: Brett <BrettAndJill@OIA.Net>
Subject: Re: The Bee diagram.

At 05:29 PM 4/16/96 -0500, you wrote:
>
>
>Has anyone been able to successfully view the Postscript files in the
>/origami/bee directory on rugcis.rug.nl?  I have tryed to view the files
>using 3 different utilities, and all three have been unable to load them.
>

Does anyone for that matter, know of a free/shareware utility that will
convert a .ps to a .jpg or a .gif ?

I used rops and ghostscript for windows to view the bee and had no problems,
although I have found myseld editing the .ps files and removing certain
unreadable lines to get the file to run.  I don't remember if I had to do
that for the bee.

If I can find a way, to convert the .ps to another format, I would be happy
to Email you the Diagrams Kim.

Also, anyone, there are .tif files of a model called Nbird on rugcis.  When
I viewed the second .tif file, the whole picture did not display.  Did
anyone else have this problem ?

Brett
BrettAndJill@OIA.Net





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Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 20:05:03 -0300
From: DBSH47B@prodigy.com (MRS. JANET J HAMILTON)
Subject: Re: Origami newsgroup

-- [ From: Janet Hamilton * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --

> There definitely is an alt.origami...I'm subscribed to it! However, I
> think I may be the only person in cyberspace subscribed to it right
now.
> The fact that you can't find it means that your system isn't
subscribed to
> it now. Just email your system administrator or whomever you deal
with in
> terms of your internet access and ask them to subscribe to
alt.origami. It
> may not be worth it however, unless you want to have conversations
with
> just lonely old me  :-(

I have tried getting to these newsgroup through compuserve and prodigy.
I went through customer service, customer suggestions, and a couple of
other contacts on each service.  There answer was that if there was not
enough traffic on the newsgroup they wouldn't carry it.  For some
reason, they couldn't understand that if they refused to give people
access to it, there would never be any traffic.

Janet Hamilton
dbsh47b@prodigy.com





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Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 21:32:21 -0300
From: Laurie Bisman <lbisman@sirranet.co.nz>
Subject: RE: Re(4): Chain letter + ObOrigami

I have always performed complicated sinks like this by unfolding the model,
sinking (which allows for any complexity) and refolding with the sink in
place.

You can sometimes perform this by just unfolding a part of a model.
Eventually, you can work out what parts need sinking and pre-crease them
whenever you make that particular model.

Laurie Bisman
lbisman@sirranet.co.nz





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Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 21:58:07 -0300
From: James_Sakoda@Brown.edu (James Minoru Sakoda)
Subject: Re: Sinking the top of Blintzed Bird (was: Re(4): Chain...)

>But with a blintzed bird base, the top part of the paper
>has several layers locked together,  <fold fold fold>
>because the center of the paper has already been sunk
>once in the making of the blintzed bird base.  I suppose
>that what is really required is an "ocatagonal double
>closed sink -- if there's really room for the paper in
>there, and I'm not sure that there is.
In Modern Origami I sank the center square of the bird base to develop the
eight point star, which led to many creations.  I have also used the
blintzed bird base (example, elephant), which involves sinking the center
point and bending the corners of the center square which was sunk to create
a bird base with eight petals.  Attempting to sink this center once more is
futile, I believe, because there is no room for it.  I would suggest
instead  retaining the center square of the blintzed bird base and then
folding in the sides along the diagonals to form four additional points, as
I did for the bird base to make the eight point star.  This provides four
extra point on top and eight longer petals  below, with little waste of
material and considerable freedom of motion.
  From here one could make use of the top square instead of the four
points, pull apart two opposite petals below to stretch the blintzed bird
base, bend up the eight points below to make a flower with 12 points, The
four points on top can be used as legs, with two longer ones added to make
six legs, and the end point made into a tail, while the two side petals can
be made into wings, and in front are three petals, two of which can be used
for antenna or ears and one for a head.  There are also enough points to
try for a man on a horse.  By using this approach one can avoid both the
use of force and waste which would occur  if the sink  could be made. Kosho
Uchiyama advised against both.                James M. Sakoda.





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Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 00:21:45 -0300
From: unhinged@yrkpa.kias.com
Subject: Re: The Bee diagram.

To convert postscript files from their native VECTOR format to a BITMAP
(like a .GIF, .BMP or .JPG), you might try viewing them on Windows, and
doing a screen capture.  This is crude, but the only manner I know of.
Anyone heard of a utility?

Rob

On Tue, 16 Apr 1996, Brett wrote:

> At 05:29 PM 4/16/96 -0500, you wrote:
> >
> >
> >Has anyone been able to successfully view the Postscript files in the
> >/origami/bee directory on rugcis.rug.nl?  I have tryed to view the files
> >using 3 different utilities, and all three have been unable to load them.
> >
>
> Does anyone for that matter, know of a free/shareware utility that will
> convert a .ps to a .jpg or a .gif ?
>
> I used rops and ghostscript for windows to view the bee and had no problems,
> although I have found myseld editing the .ps files and removing certain
> unreadable lines to get the file to run.  I don't remember if I had to do
> that for the bee.
>
> If I can find a way, to convert the .ps to another format, I would be happy
> to Email you the Diagrams Kim.
>
> Also, anyone, there are .tif files of a model called Nbird on rugcis.  When
> I viewed the second .tif file, the whole picture did not display.  Did
> anyone else have this problem ?
>
> Brett
> BrettAndJill@OIA.Net





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Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 01:19:54 -0300
From: sychen@ENH.NIST.GOV (S.Y. Chen)
Subject: Re: The Bee diagram.

>At 05:29 PM 4/16/96 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>Has anyone been able to successfully view the Postscript files in the
>>/origami/bee directory on rugcis.rug.nl?  I have tryed to view the files
>>using 3 different utilities, and all three have been unable to load them.
>>
>
>Does anyone for that matter, know of a free/shareware utility that will
>convert a .ps to a .jpg or a .gif ?
>
>I used rops and ghostscript for windows to view the bee and had no problems,
>although I have found myseld editing the .ps files and removing certain
>unreadable lines to get the file to run.  I don't remember if I had to do
>that for the bee.

I don't have problems using MAC GS Viewer 68K version 1.0 to view all
bee*.ps on screen (no extra editing)!

>
>If I can find a way, to convert the .ps to another format, I would be happy
>to Email you the Diagrams Kim.

Ghostscript does support many bitmap format (Tiff, bmp, pcx, pbm, ...).
Once you can view it on screen you should be able to output it to any
supported bitmap format. But my MAC GS viewer failed to do the job. I might
need to check out my mac version or try other platforms.

>
>Also, anyone, there are .tif files of a model called Nbird on rugcis.  When
>I viewed the second .tif file, the whole picture did not display.  Did
>anyone else have this problem ?
>

I don't have problems to view nbird2.tif using Graphic Convert 1.77 for MAC.
Graphic type is TIFF(B) Packbits compression

Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. SY)
E-Mail: chens@iia.org or sychen@enh.nist.gov
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Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 04:49:45 -0300
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: Re Unfoldable box

Yes unfoldable box is in Convention "89 and Paul jackson's book.  I like
Sullivan's "89 method better than Paul Jacksons.  If you know how to make
butterfly ball, this box is perfect for assembling  the  ball in.  You need a
box made from 6" paper to make ball from 3 inch paper.  I just taught it in
N. Y. at OUSA workshop.





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Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 05:10:37 -0300
From: Oded Streigold <benjic@netvision.net.il>
Subject: Re: The Bee diagram.

On Wed, 17 Apr 1996 00:21:45 -0300  unhinged@yrkpa.kias.com wrote:
>
>To convert postscript files from their native VECTOR format to a BITMAP
>(like a .GIF, .BMP or .JPG), you might try viewing them on Windows, and
>doing a screen capture.  This is crude, but the only manner I know of.
>Anyone heard of a utility?
>
>Rob

 In the GhostView program you can convert PS to BMP. This program comes
 in several platforms and with names like GView, GSView. It can be found in
     the GhostScript site, and it requires GhostScript to work.

 Oded =8-)





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Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 07:28:03 -0300
From: "M.J.van.Gelder" <M.J.van.Gelder@rc.rug.nl>
Subject: Models in the archives

I found a copy of the basket PostScript files in an old ZIP file and have
put it in the archives again.
So nobody needs to upload it (thanks for the offer I got).

Maarten van Gelder,           Rekencentrum RuG,  RijksUniversiteit Groningen
M.J.van.Gelder@rc.rug.nl                         Nederland





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Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 10:57:33 -0300
From: Brett <BrettAndJill@OIA.Net>
Subject: Re: The Bee diagram.

At 03:22 AM 4/17/96 -0500, you wrote:
> In the GhostView program you can convert PS to BMP. This program comes
> in several platforms and with names like GView, GSView. It can be found in
the GhostScript site, and it requires GhostScript to work.
>
> Oded =8-)

Thanks Oded.
Brett
BrettAndJill@OIA.Net





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Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 11:39:43 -0300
From: "Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy)" <sychen@ENH.NIST.GOV>
Subject: Re: The Bee diagram.

At 01:22 AM 4/17/96 -0300, I wrote:
>
>Ghostscript does support many bitmap format (Tiff, bmp, pcx, pbm, ...).
>Once you can view it on screen you should be able to output it to any
>supported bitmap format. But my MAC GS viewer failed to do the job. I might
>need to check out my mac version or try other platforms.
>
>

I tried viewing bee*.ps on PC using Ghoscript 3.53 with GSView 1.4 for
Windows as front-end. No problem for viewing bee*.ps files. I tried
rendering to bmp (a popular bitmap format in MS-Win) format feature in
Ghostscript successfully too.  If anyone does need them in GIF or PDF format
I would be happy to upload them to rugcis.rug.nl.

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Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 12:16:28 -0300
From: "Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy)" <sychen@ENH.NIST.GOV>
Subject: Re: The Bee diagram. - PS

I forgot this in previous mail:

I found CTRL+D code in bee*.ps diagrams. It is very common for postscript
files generated from MS-Win printer driver. Any Unix users might get nothing
if he/she tries to print them using UNIX postscript printers. Strip CTRL-D
code before printing will take care of this.

Sorry for too many "POSTSCRIPT" mails!

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PS: Just kidding :-)
