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Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 23:41:57 -0400
From: "NIGEL POTTLE, TEACHER-LIBRARIAN, WOODLANDS ELEM. SCHOOL"@Owl.nstn.ca
Subject: Re: Paper for Kawahata's dinosaurs

Jeannine suggest's Kawahata's dinosaur paper is 15 - 30 meters. Pretty big
models! I bet she means 15 - 30 cm. Those of us in Canada will know that
30 cm. is a little short of 12 inches. So the paper would be 6 - 12 inches.

I must look for that book some day. Sounds very intriguing.

Nigel Pottl
npottle@cbe.ab.ca





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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 00:58:04 -0400
From: "BOB T. LYNCH" <blynch@du.edu>
Subject: Re: Folding and Space Travel.

>From what I understand (and you must realize it isn't very much) the people in
Star Trek really don't "fold" space like people in other fictional universes
so (Dune for example) Warp speed essentially allows the ship to go into another
sort of dimension (through space rather than following the surface of space).

Trekker (only I don't understand most of the techno-babble...)

Dee





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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 01:12:11 -0400
From: "BOB T. LYNCH" <blynch@du.edu>
Subject: Re: Folding and Space Travel.

all you out there looking for Voyager - it should be on on Wednesday evening to
usher in another "outstanding" (cough) UPN show...

Dee





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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 01:13:45 -0400
From: "BOB T. LYNCH" <blynch@du.edu>
Subject: Re: Folding and Space Travel.

PS - all of you looking for Voyager and in the Denver area (or like to travel)
Kate Mulgrew will be in Denver for a convention - come by and see us at our
folding table in the activities room!

Dee





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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 01:32:18 -0400
From: "BOB T. LYNCH" <blynch@du.edu>
Subject: Fas Folds page

Is anyone else having trouble getting into (onto) (to) Fascinating Folds'
web page? The last three days or so, it take forever to "connect" then it
gives me some sort of meesage about DNS errors and URLs and stuff... I tried
an alternate address and it didn't do anything but sit there and have the stars
go across Netscape's icon... for a LONG time. I finally gave up...

Bren - if you're reading this - get in touch - I just have a quick questions
about the availability of a particular type of paper.

Dee
blynch@du.edu





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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 01:35:17 -0400
From: Shi-Yew Chen <sychen@ENH.NIST.GOV>
Subject: Re: Paper for Kawahata's dinosaurs

At 11:42 PM 3/12/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Jeannine suggest's Kawahata's dinosaur paper is 15 - 30 meters. Pretty big

Well the dimensions in Kawahata's book are body lengths of real dinosaurs,
not model or paper size.
I can read Kanji (same as Chinese characters), :)

---------------------------------------------------
Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. SY)  <sychen@enh.nist.gov>
Origami Page > http://www.iia.org/~chens/pprfld.htm





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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 02:12:33 -0400
From: Eric Andersen <Eric_Andersen@brown.edu>
Subject: Re: Origamian is Westinghouse winner!

At 11:02 PM 3/12/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Aaron Michael Einbond, a senior at Hunter High School, Manhattan, won 5th
>place in the Westinghouse Science Contest, according to today's NY Times. He
>explored a new protein domain through protein sequence database searches and
>isolated two human genes (don't ask me, that's what it says). His name looked
>very familiar, so I looked it up - I assume this is the same Aaron Einbond
>who had his skunk published in RJ Lang's Origami Animals at age 14 (1992).

Yes, this is the same Aaron Einbond. I met him once at a convention many
years ago, and two summers later I got to know one of his best friends on a
cycling trip in Nova Scotia and Prince Edward Island. Our mutual friend is
Nick Proudfoote, who also went to Hunter High School. When Nick found out
that I was an avid folder, he asked me if I knew Aaron, and when I replied
that I had met him, he was quite surprised. Nick always spoke very highly of
him, and I believe he was surprised because he didn't realize how involved
in origami Aaron really was (is?). Is he still involved with Origami USA.
Mapping the human genome must keep him quite busy...

-Eric  :-I

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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 02:24:16 -0400
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: comments on Web Page

Thanx to all who've commented on my new page so far!

A few points I'll have to make clearer on the page:

1. ALL OF THE PHOTOS, MODELS, DIAGRAMS, etc on the page
are my own original work, with the exception of the
'Kawasaki Rose Tessellation', for which the DIAGRAMS
are my own work (of reverse engineering), and the
PHOTO of the xmas ornament, which was taken by a
Compuserve sysop, who gave me permission to use as
I like. The ornament unit is one of my own variations
on Sonobe cube units (there are hundreds of variations,
and while I've not spotted this particular one in
a publication, its probably just a parallel invention.)

2. The models in the photos are unpublished, and so
far only diagrammed in hand drawn working drawings,
not ready for prime time, as the models were still
evolving and have several variations. I'm trying to
gradually get these older diagrams into CAD and
debugged. I knew that the Nautilus Box was going
get somebody's attention. I'm working on diagrams,
REALLY, I am! Patience, you box and modular nuts!

3. I know b&W photos are not as sexy as color, but
these were done with a Logitech 256 grey-scale
digital camera a few years ago. It does produce very
clear graphics, which I was using with a CAD program
that allowed you to trace over a PCX graphic. Plus
I still think that a clear B&W photo that shows a
model's structure is sometimes better than low res
color. I hoped to move up to a color digital camera
this year, but some emergency dentistry plus house
repairs forced postponement. Digital cameras are
really neat; instant gratification.

Thanx again for the comments!

--valerie
Valerie Vann
Internet: 75070.304@compuserve.com
Internet: valerivann@aol.com
WWW: http://users.aol.com/valerivann/index.html





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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 07:29:13 -0400
From: "Dorinha M.S.S. Vitti" <dmssvitt@carpa.ciagri.usp.br>
Subject: digest- origami USA

 I am receiving the messages in the digest mode, but I dont know
how to print only one of the messages or how to reply directly to another
people. Is it possible?How I could come back to the normal way?
Another question: who knows if the Origami USA has a fax or an E-mail
address?Thank you in advance.Dorinha





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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 10:20:13 -0400
From: Tim Rueger <rueger@areaplg2.corp.mot.com>
Subject: Kawahata "Fantasy" model sizes (was Re: Paper for Kawahata's
         dinosaurs)

Hi, all,

Here are the sizes I came up with for the models in Kawahata's "Origami
Fantasy":

Starting size paper for all models: 10"

Model               Length

Protoceratops       5"
Apatosaurus         8.5"
Pteranodon          3.5" long, 7.5" wingspan
Triceratops         6.5"
Tyrannosaurus       6.5" long, 3" tall
Allosaurus          (same as Tyrannosaurus)
Parasaurolophus     5.5" long, 3" tall
Corythosaurus       (same as Parasaurolophus)
Lanbeosaurus        (same as Parasaurolophus)
Maiasaura           (same as Parasaurolophus)
Archaeopteryx       4" wingspan, 3" tall
Styracosaurus       5"
Dimetrodon          5.5"
Tuojiangosaurus     3"
Ankylosaurus        5.5"
Stegosaurus         5.5"
Unicorn             4" tall
Pegasus             3" tall, 4" wingspan

Some caveats: I haven't done the Allosaurus, Corythosaurus,
Lanbeosaurus, or Maiasaura.  I'm assuming that the Allosaurus is the
same size as the Tyrannosaurus, and the other three, being variations on
the Parasaurolophus, are the same size as the Parasaurolophus.

I'd also suggest that the Pteranodon, Triceratops, and Pegasus are best
done with monocolor paper.  They come out two-colored when made with
standard kami paper.

-Tim
--
Tim Rueger             Motorola CCRL IC Design Laboratory, IL02-2921
Fax  : (708) 538-4593  Internet: rueger@areaplg2.corp.mot.com





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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 11:40:20 -0400
From: Jeannine Mosely <j9@concentra.com>
Subject: Re: Paper for Kawahata's dinosaurs

   >I wondered this myself, but then I noticed that next to each of the
   >models was a notation in Roman characters indicating the size.  Most
   >of them are marked at around 15-30 meters.  This seems reasonable. ;-)

   Meters?  Are you sure?  15-30 meters is way bigger than my house. <grin>

I did include a smiley.  I guess it was just too subtle.  As some
others have pointed out, these dimensions are of the actual dinosaur.
Still, that ankylosaurus is pretty detailed ...

        -- jeannine mosely





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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 13:18:46 -0400
From: knuffke@sirius.COM (Charles Knuffke)
Subject: Re: digest- origami USA

>
>Another question: who knows if the Origami USA has a fax or an E-mail
>address?Thank you in advance.Dorinha
>

Regarding OrigamiUSA - If you want to talk/fax someone, their numbers are:
Fax (212) 769-5668

To my knowledge, they do not have an E-Mail address, but several officers
of the society have their own personal addresses and can be seen here on
the list occasionally.

However, if you are looking to send them stuff for the "OrigamiUSA/Origami
Source" bookstore, don't bother. The Origami Source is run by Phyliss Meth
at a separate location - which I believe is her house! She does all the
work at night on a voluntary basis with the only caveat being that you have
to contact her by normal mail. She doesn't have a fax or phone number.

Hope this is what you were looking for.

Regards.

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Charles Knuffke       "Amen the Thunderbolt in the Dark Void"
153 Divisadero                                  -Jack Kerouac
San Francisco CA 94104
knuffke@sirius.com





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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 16:21:35 -0400
From: CM317@aol.com
Subject: Got My Web page up.

I made this really quick, but as time passes, it will get better.

http://users.aol.com/cm317/indx.html

Best Viewed With Netscape 2.0

-Chris Miller(cm317@aol.com)





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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 17:49:26 -0400
From: Rene Besamusca <renebe@knoware.nl>
Subject: Re: what happened?

At 13:24 12-03-96 -0400, John Andrisan wrote:
>
>
> About a week ago I stopped receiving mail from this list.  I just sent
> another subscribe in and it was accepted... possibly meaning that some-
> how I was unsubscribed.  Could the list owner verify what happened?
>
> John Andrisan
> IBMMAIL: USMCDQND   Internet: a004773%lbvm1.profs@lbgwy.mdc.com
>

John,

What might have happened are one of two things;

1)  Your E-mail box may have been full

or

2)  The Gateway between your Organization and Internet was down for some time.

Either situation can result in messages being bounced back to the listserver.

Many -L servers accept only a few of these bouced messages and then
automatically will unsubscribe you.

Assuming there were more people having this same 'problem' a third reason
could be the -L server lost some subscription data and a backup file was put
in place.

If any-one can think up another reason, please enlighten me.

Bye

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| Rene Besamusca, Pagemaster for the O.S.N.  |
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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 22:33:58 -0400
From: schary@VNET.IBM.COM
Subject: Rose tessellation....

From: schary@vnet.ibm.com
    IBM Australia,FF11,
    2 Coonara Avenue,West Pennant Hills,NSW 2125
Subject: Rose tessellation....
Hello,
  I downloaded the .ps files from Valerie Vann's home page for the
Kawasaki rose tessellations, I get the error 'Bounding box error on
line 5' or something to that effect in Ghost script(OS2), but it still
manages to display the page. The second page is excellent as I found it
so helpful in folding the tessellation.
   However, I am disappointed with the final outcome....the 16 units
do not stay close to each other, and they hardly look like the rose
from Origami for the connoisseur. It may very possibly have been my
folding, but does anyone have a photo of the finished tessellation? I
asked my wife what she thought it was, and she said, 'don't know' but
it looks quite abstract and cute...certainly not what I expected, because
I wanted to give her a bunch of roses!!
  The reverse side of the finished tesselation is also very cute..almost
like an egg box.

Thanks,

Regards,
Sreenath
VNET ID: SYDVM1(SREENATH)  (Ph : 61-2-354-7495)





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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 23:03:07 -0400
From: Allen Parry <parry@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: living on origami

On Tue, 12 Mar 1996, ciarlet mathieu wrote:

>
> Does anybody know how many people live out of making, creating origami aso ?
> I was just wondering if it's possible to become a "professionnal", my studies
> becoming so boring from time to time.

Its the Dollar Bill Origamist again.

I just got back from a business meeting in LasVegas and of course I had
to do the tourist thing and see the shops and casinos.  Well, I came across
the most interesting shop.  A shop dedicated to money (so appropriate for
a gambling town).  The have shirts, hats, memo pads and even bow ties
made with dollars printed on them.  Anyway, to the point.  I found that
someone is manufacturing a budding rose out of a folded dollar.  Its
really beautiful.  The folder's company is called "The Paper Rose Co. of
Las Vegas".  So here is one way someone has turned there origami into
money (and visa versa).





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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 23:33:34 -0400
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: New Book

A bit over a week ago, John Montroll wrote:
+Guess what?  My new book-Mythological Creatures and the Chinese Zodiac-is
+out. The books have just been shipped around.

I have been scouring the local Barnes and Noble almost daily since, but no
luck.  Over the weekend I asked at the info desk, and while they acknowledged
that it was available, their computer system indicated that their distributor
hadn't gotten any copies yet.  I put in a special order, hoping that might
expidite things.  We'll see.  Has anyone seen this book in a retail store yet?

-Doug





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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 00:05:49 -0400
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: Re: overwhelmed needs of list

Jack...I tried what you said to do for the digest but got message "the
selected feils on thios form must be filled."  What did I do wrong?  I have a
Mac...does that make a difference.  Dorigami





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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 00:52:07 -0400
From: marckrsh@pipeline.com (Marc Kirschenbaum)
Subject: Re: Lang's butterfly

On Mar 12, 1996 00:23:35, '"Iron Will" Dawes <wdawes@cs.nmsu.edu>' wrote:

>First, I should thank the many, many, many, many people who
>responded and told me what "blinkers" were. Thanks!
>I have a more origami-related question. I have been working on the
>butterfly from Lang's and Weiss' "Origami Zoo" and am unable to get
>step 9 to work. When I fold up the left point of the diamond, I have
>several layers trapped behind the point which aren't shown in the
>diagrams. Also, since everything was reverse folded previously, no
>layers "swing out" like they're supposed to, as all flaps are
>connected to the points. Can anyone please shed some light on this?

Presumably you are refering to steps 28-29 (step 9 is just a series of
valley folds). I step 28, Robert is asking you to perform what resembles
3/4 of an open-sink (the bottom flaps are loose). The tendency (being that
it is easier), is to form a series of closed-reverse-folds, which as you
discovered, trap the layers together. The *proper way* of doing step 28 is
difficult, as the layers are fairly traped. What I do is what you did; I
first form the closed reverse folds. After that, I stretch down the trapped
point, reforming the creases internally. Doing it this way (IMHO), makes
this step fun to do.

Marc





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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 00:59:36 -0400
From: knuffke@sirius.com (Charles Knuffke)
Subject: Re: overwhelmed needs of list

>re digest...I did just what you said and got message "the selected field on
>this form must be filled...I have a Mac.  Does that make a difference or else
>what did I do wrong.  Dorigami

Dorigami:

The problem is definately not that you're using a mac (I use one,too), but
that you're on AOL. Their E-Mail system requires that you put something in
the "Subject" field. It shouldn't matter to the listserv software, so just
put anything in that space and that should take care of the error message
that you got.

Good Luck!

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Charles Knuffke       "Amen the Thunderbolt in the Dark Void"
153 Divisadero                                  -Jack Kerouac
San Francisco CA 94104
knuffke@sirius.com





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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 03:25:43 -0400
From: cher@camis.stanford.edu (Daniel Cher)
Subject: Re: Bonjour

>Hi everybody,
>
>I'm new to Origami (and to this mailing list) and I have some little questions.
>You are all speaking about models you find in books, but isn't it possible to
>find diagrams on CompuServe or Internet ?
>What are the most important books to buy ? Can I find these books in France or
>where if not ?
>
>Patrick

The best books are those of John Montroll from Dover Press (Mineola, NY).
I am looking for new ones, with complicated models.  Any suggestions?

Danny





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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 05:03:23 -0400
From: Jason L Tibbitts III <tibbs@uh.edu>
Subject: Re: Bonjour

>>>>> "DC" == Daniel Cher <cher@camis.stanford.edu> writes:

DC> I am looking for new ones, with complicated models.  Any suggestions?

Complicated?  If anyone can come up with anything more complicated than
Kawahata's _Origami Fantasy_ I'll buy it.  The T-Rex has teeth and toes.
Each model takes many, many hours of folding.

As is normal for Japanese books, there is no ISBN number that I can find.
Sasuga might still have copies as might other Japanese bookstores.

Sasuga is at <URL:http://www.terra.net/sasuga/>, which is down at the
moment so I can't provide a phone number.

 - J<





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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 09:32:59 -0400
From: marmonk@eskimo.COM (Mark Morden)
Subject: Announcement:Seattle Paperfolders Meeting

This is for any and all paperfolders in the Seattle and Puget Sound area.
Since there has been interest in a Seattle Paperfolders get-together, I have
taken it upon myself to try and get things rolling.  I have reserved a
meeting room at the Bellevue Public Library for us to get together and share
folds.

Here is the info:

Saturday, April 6
2:30 - 5:00 pm
Bellevue Public Library
1111 110th Avenue NE
Bellevue, Washington
Meeting room 3 (I think)

To get to the Library:

Take I-405 north or south to Bellevue and exit at NE 8th Street Westbound.
At the end of the ramp turn right and drive a block or so to 110th Avenue
NE.  Turn right and the library is between NE 10th Street and NE 12th Street.

The Agenda:

Since this is our first time together, we can just wing it regarding what to
do.  Bring items to share: models, books, photos, diagrams.  We can trade
folds.  If you have a favorite fold you'd like to teach bring that along.
If you have a fold you're dying to learn we can give that a try.  If your
stuck in a model bring it along and we can try to solve it.  Bring coins for
the copy machine.  And, not to belabor the obvious, bring paper.

We can also try to make plans for future meeting schedule and places.  I
chose Bellevue as being a central location and because we can get the room
for free as long as we aren't charging admission, dues, etc; selling
anything; and make the gathering open to the public.  Doesn't sound
unreasonable. The room is sized for about 15 to meet.

Please RSVP me so that I'll have an idea of who to expect and how many.  I
hope to see you then

Mark

Mark Morden == marmonk@mail.eskimo.com
--------------------------------------------------------
I believe in Christianity as I belive in the rising sun;
not because I see it but by it I see all else.
                                           C.S. Lewis





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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 10:11:01 -0400
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Rose tessellation....

Once, again folks, (as the Rose Tessellation diagrams state...):

The Rose crystallization/tessellation models, for which there are
two reverse engineered diagrams, (mine and another in the origami-l
archives) are not, repeat NOT, diagrams for the Kawasaki ROSE
that is diagrammed in origami for the Con. There would be little
point in diagramming something already published, (even though
THOSE diagrams have mistakes and alledgedly aren't the way
Kawasaki makes his rose.)

The Rose tessellation is a reverse engineering attempt based on
a photo in Jacksons Encyclopedia of Origami and Paper crafts.
A tessellation or twist folding is a speciallized branch of
origami. To see what it is, refer to Jackson's book.

The tessellation from my diagrams will collapse down into
the appearance of 16 little roses tightly packed in a square.

I'm sorry about the confusion, but I do state on the diagrams
what I was diagramming.

--valerie
Valerie Vann





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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 10:46:11 -0400
From: Brett <BrettAndJill@OIA.Net>
Subject: Re: New Book

At 09:52 PM 3/13/96 -0500, you wrote:
>
>A bit over a week ago, John Montroll wrote:
>+Guess what?  My new book-Mythological Creatures and the Chinese Zodiac-is
>+out. The books have just been shipped around.
>
>I have been scouring the local Barnes and Noble almost daily since, but no

You know, ...
I was looking for that book too and received pretty much the same answer
from the Library Ltd. (St. Louis, MO)

They told me that it was supposed to be released the last week in February.
It seems like I saw a post a while back from someone (maybe even Montroll
himself) announcing the books release anyone.

Also I Have been having trouble with the list server (or maybe my ISP).  If
anyone sees this message could you mail me at:

brettandjill@OIA.Net

Thanks.

Brett
BrettAndJill@OIA.Net





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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 22:17:01 -0400
From: JMontroll@aol.com
Subject: Re: New Book

When I mentioned the book (Mythological Creatures...) was out two weeks ago,
boxes were sent to Dover. From there it will reach the shops (including
whatever origami groups ordered from me) but everything takes time.      John





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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 23:23:45 -0400
From: Paul Slater <P.Slater@swansea.ac.uk>
Subject: oriindex - new address?

Hello folks,

A simple question from a very silly hour in the morning, in Wales.

I have been trying to use the oriindex database for a couple of days,
but have not been recieving any response, not even an "..ERROR.."
message.

I have used it in the past without any problems, but, just in case,
can someone please send me the correct "address" to which I send a
queery something like:

oriindex fish
stop

Thank you, and just in case you're wondering, MS research at 3 am is
quite FUN!

tatty bye,
Paul.





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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 00:52:44 -0400
From: knuffke@sirius.com (Charles Knuffke)
Subject: Re: oriindex - new address?

>
>I have been trying to use the oriindex database for a couple of days,
>but have not been recieving any response, not even an "..ERROR.."
>message.
>
>I have used it in the past without any problems, but, just in case,
>can someone please send me the correct "address" to which I send a
>queery something like:
>

Paul:

The proper E-Mail address for the OriIndex program is presently:

Origami@ftp.rug.nl

This was changed a while back, and probably explains why it's no longer
working for you.  Godd Luck!

Regards.

*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
Charles Knuffke       "Amen the Thunderbolt in the Dark Void"
153 Divisadero                                  -Jack Kerouac
San Francisco CA 94104
knuffke@sirius.com





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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 01:33:16 -0400
From: "BOB T. LYNCH" <blynch@du.edu>
Subject: Re: New Book

I think that even though a book has been released, it may take awhile to get
from the publisher to individual distributors in different areas of the country.
All of my bookstores show the book is out there (Montroll's new book, that is)
but they don't show it available to them yet. Oh well, perhaps I should try
Boulder - a friend of mine found Dave Brill's Brilliant Origami on the shelf
     thre
and I have had to order it here in Denver!

Dee





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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 01:37:21 -0400
From: "BOB T. LYNCH" <blynch@du.edu>
Subject: Re: living on origami

a guy somewhere in upper New York State called me the other day since he had
     read
in the OUSA newsletter that my group had done Jeremy Shafer's "Enterprise" at
a meeting. He explained that he made origami items for sale at his store and
was looking for science fiction material. (Jeremy, I directed him to you...)
I have his name address and phone if anyone is interested in getting in touch
with him. He was also looking for a regional or affiliate group close to him..

Dee





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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 06:00:27 -0400
From: Jonathan Poh <jonath@pl.jaring.my>
Subject: Unit Origami

Yahoo! I just got Tomoko Fuse's Unit Origami which my dad brought back from
Singapore. The polyhedra and structures are so beautiful (and complex) I
can't wait to start on them. Origami boxes pale in comparison (but are great
too).
Sorry for the mindless rattling, it's just that I'm so excited.

 \   Jonathan Poh
(//) Email: jonath@pl.jaring.my
  \  Home Page: http://www.lookup.com/Homepages/67661/home.html





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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 09:47:05 -0400
From: kkinney@med.unc.edu (Kevin Kinney)
Subject: Re: living on origami

> a guy somewhere in upper New York State called me the other day since he had
     read
> in the OUSA newsletter that my group had done Jeremy Shafer's "Enterprise" at
> a meeting. He explained that he made origami items for sale at his store and
> was looking for science fiction material. (Jeremy, I directed him to you...)
> I have his name address and phone if anyone is interested in getting in touch
> with him. He was also looking for a regional or affiliate group close to him..
>
> Dee

Sorry for the public post, folks; no way to reply directly...

 Dee,
        This wouldn't happen to have been Paul Meyer, of "Crazy Egor's
Warehouse" would it?  I made a Kirschenbaum dragon for him a while back,
for his store's anniversary, and always liked walking into the store and
seeing it displayed.
        (Other gamers out there:  anyone ever try using origami figures in
place of miniatures?  One reason I'm waiting for the new Montroll book
with a worm on my tongue (bated breath))

Kevin Kinney
kkinney@med.unc.edu





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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 11:33:49 -0400
From: Tim Rueger <rueger@areaplg2.corp.mot.com>
Subject: Sasuga's Japanese Bookstore (was Re: Bonjour)

Hi,

>>>>> "j" == Jason L Tibbitts <tibbs@uh.edu> writes:

    j> Sasuga is at <URL:http://www.terra.net/sasuga/>, which is down at the
    j> moment so I can't provide a phone number.

I got this info from http://www.switchboard.com/ (a free phone listing
web site):

   Sasuga Japanese Bookstore...7 Upland Rd...Cambridge, MA 02140-2717
   Phone: (617)497-5460

Hope this helps...

-Tim
--
Tim Rueger             Motorola CCRL IC Design Laboratory, IL02-2921
Fax  : (708) 538-4593  Internet: rueger@areaplg2.corp.mot.com





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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 13:11:37 -0400
From: Alex Barber <barber@nol.net>
Subject: Help out a folder

Those of you with web access, please take a look at the What's New page
in my Origami section on my web site:
http://www.nol.net/~barber/origami/New.html

Those of you w/o web access, please send me email if you are interested
in helping out Rocco Martinez, a folder in Austin, TX, make a gift of a
thousand cranes for his fiancee, Miwa.

Thanks
Alex Barber
barber@nol.net
http://www.nol.net/~barber





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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 14:03:13 -0400
From: Sheila Davis <sew@hpfisew.fc.hp.com>
Subject: Re: Origami & games

Kevin Kinney wrote:
>       (Other gamers out there:  anyone ever try using origami figures in
> place of miniatures?  One reason I'm waiting for the new Montroll book
> with a worm on my tongue (bated breath))
>
        Aha!  Another gaming geek who likes origami.  ;-)

        I haven't made origami "miniatures", but I often bring paper
        and books in order to fold while gaming.  It's the perfect way to
        keep my hands busy when I'm not directly involved in the
        action, but I still need to pay attention.

        And occasionally, I'll fold a dragon or an angel or some other
        figure that can be used as "visual aids".  :-)

Regards,

  Sheila Davis        Hewlett-Packard IC Business Division
 sew@hpfisew.fc.hp.com          Fort Collins, Colorado





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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 14:04:03 -0400
From: slider@ims.mariposa.ca.us (Pat Slider)
Subject: mulberry fiber "tissue" paper

Found some mulberry paper, a little thicker than the Thai Unryu paper that
I have, at a local Cost Plus (a chain of import stores). They are marketing
it as "tissue" paper and are selling it in packages of 2 20" x 30" sheets
for $1.49. Came in six (or eight?) different solid colors.

Actually, looking at the package, it does say "Made in Thailand". I'm sure
this is Unryu!

Still working on the book reviews....up to '93 in the archives, but I keep
getting distracted by interesting threads :->,

pat slider.





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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 14:31:09 -0400
From: A004773%LBVM1.profs@lbgwy.mdc.com
Subject: waiting for host

 Every time I try to get to your web page I get "waiting for reply" from
 my Netscape and I seem to get no further.  Today I got the same result.
 Yet I can get to other places like Yahoo.com.  /john

 > From: "Alex Barber" <barber@nol.net>
 > Those of you with web access, please take a look at the What's New page
 > in my Origami section on my web site:
 > http://www.nol.net/~barber/origami/New.html
 >

 John Andrisan
 IBMMAIL: USMCDQND   Internet: a004773%lbvm1.profs@lbgwy.mdc.com





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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 16:41:41 -0400
From: jmarcoli@stratacom.com (John Marcolina)
Subject: Re: Lang's butterfly

Will Dawes writes:
I have been working on the butterfly from Lang's and Weiss' "Origami Zoo" and
am unable to get step 9 to work. When I fold up the left point of the
diamond, I have several layers trapped behind the point which aren't shown in
the diagrams. Also, since everything was reverse folded previously, no layers
"swing out" like they're supposed to, as all flaps are
connected to the points. Can anyone please shed some light on this?
------------------------
I hadn't tried this model before, but I was able to successfully fold through
steps 9-11. At step 8, the white side of the paper is showing and there
should be 2 loose triangular flaps whose points extend to the 2 corners
following X in a clockwise direction. With me? Now when you form the
preliminary fold in step 9, these are the flaps that swing down and can be
seen on the left side of the drawing in step 11. BTW, step 11 does not lie
flat. Step 12 does.
If you don't see the loose triangular flaps in step 8, check the previous
steps carefully to make sure you followed them correctly, especially step 5
where the flap connected to point X is folded down. I believe all the
diagrams are correct.

Hope this helps - Good Luck!

John Marcolina
jmarcolina@strata.com





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Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 02:05:59 -0400
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: Re: what happened?

I read that someone owns this list...what does that mean and who is the owner
of the Origami-l.  Dorigami





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Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 08:53:28 -0400
From: Penny Groom <penny@sector.demon.co.uk>
Subject: BOS February Magazine

Can any BOS members in the USA please tell me if they have received
their February magazine yet, I've had a couple who say they have not and
I am getting WORRIED   !!!!!!!  Please post privately the rest of the
group don't want to hear!!!
Thanks Penny

penny@sector.demon.co.uk

--
Penny Groom





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Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 09:23:05 -0400
From: CThackeray@aol.com
Subject: Re: Lang's Butterfly

You mean there are people who can actually fold a Lang model?! I thought only
Lang could fold Lang. (I take that back, I can fold his mouse). I' ve been
trying for two years to fold his bi-plane, well not two years straight, but
whenever I feel up to some frustration. Everything usually starts off
honky-dorry, but by the time  I get about half-way through i'm completely
lost. but it is encouraging to know that other people are trying.
BrettAndJill, if you find John Montroll's book in St. Louis, let me know. I
tried the Barnes & Noble in Crestwood, not there yet. Does the Source have
it?

Clare





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Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 12:02:46 -0400
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: what happened?

A mail list owner is either the person who started
the list or a person the original owner has transferred
ownership to. In moderated lists the owner may be the
moderator. (Moderated lists have someone who weeds out
irrelevant traffic and generally keeps the list traffic
on subject. They're more formal and were originally
used on the early Net for scientific/research discussions.)
The origami-l is unmoderated.

When you sign up for a list you get a statement back
from the listserver about how to unsubscribe, who
the owner is etc.

The origami-l is a little unusual in that the owners
address/location, the location of the listserver (and
its attendant listmanager person), and the list
archive (and the person who takes care of the archive)
are all different people at widely separated sites.
The owner is in Massachusetts USA (yes?), the archives
are in the Netherlands, and the listserver and its
manager are in Canada. The person who most often
responds to list questions is the archivist, Maarten
van Gelder. You've probably seen his periodic reminder
notes about 'updating the archives once a month', which
means making the previous months messages available at
the archive, and telling folks how to unsubscribe and/or
contact the listmanager (Daniel) if the listserver is
being uncooperative about unsubscribing you.

The listmanager, by the way, may or may not have any
interest in the subject of a particular list. They are
usually system administration persons at the listserver
site, and typically manage a listserver ('robot' mail
forwarding software, actually) that handles hundreds
of mail lists. So they don't actually read most of the
lists.

The list owner, by the way, logs in from time to time
with contributions/comments. Finding out who's who I
leave 'as an exercise for the reader' - as those
annoying math books always say  :-)

--valerie
Compuserve: Valerie Vann 75070,304
Internet: 75070.304@compuserve.com
Internet: valerivann@aol.com
WWW: http://users.aol.com/valerivann/index.html





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Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 12:04:07 -0400
From: "Ashley G. Perrien" <perr2232@kutztown.edu>
Subject: Re: Lang's Butterfly

> You mean there are people who can actually fold a Lang model?!
>
Yes, there are a few of us out there who have managed to tackle the
hurdle. I actually enjoy Lang's models the most, I enjoy the process of
origami and his models most certainly take some tiiime and patience!

Unfortunately, I can not offer any help towards his butterfly. That is
one of the many that I haven't yet managed.

AshleyP





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Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 14:13:15 -0400
From: slider@ims.mariposa.ca.us (Pat Slider)
Subject: Re: Lang's models.

>> You mean there are people who can actually fold a Lang model?!
>>
>Yes, there are a few of us out there who have managed to tackle the
>hurdle. I actually enjoy Lang's models the most, I enjoy the process of
>origami and his models most certainly take some tiiime and patience!

Check out "Origami Animals"....most of these are intermediate models! His
Ibex (low intermediate) is one of my favorite "standards".

So even I can say that I have folded a Lang model :->.

(By the way, this book does contain some models by other creators too.)

pat slider
slider@yosemite.net





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Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 15:00:22 -0400
From: dzimm@nando.net (David Zimmerman)
Subject: Re: Lang's Butterfly

"> CThackeray@aol.com wrote ..."
>
> You mean there are people who can actually fold a Lang model?! I thought only
> Lang could fold Lang. (I take that back, I can fold his mouse). I' ve been
> trying for two years to fold his bi-plane, well not two years straight, but
>
My 7 year old son folded the bi-plane. I cann't, but Jonah can. I'm also stuck
on the butterfly. I've folded 6 other bugs but the butterfly...

--
David P Zimmerman             dzimm@nando.net
916 Riderwood Ct               919 557 7692
WillowSpring NC 27592           D-17293

  4 out of 5 people represent 80 of the population!





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Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 16:45:29 -0400
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Origami & games

If you mean dungeons & dragons fantasy type games,
I'd be surprised if someone hasn't. There are lots
of dragon models. Brills book has a knight (StGeorge)
on a horse w/ dragon. I'm fond of Tom Stamm's dragon,
and the 2-piece one on the cover of one of the Biddle
books.

And as I recall in one of the
discussions here about Sullivan Castle modulars (some
folks have done additional modules), I think Maarten
van Gelder said he had some knights to go with his
castles.

And though its probably not what Sheila has
in mind, my Sullivan castle add-ons include some
knights tournament tent/pavillions in several variations
that also make quite good chess pieces. And then there
are the 'real' origami chess sets...

Somewhere recently (one of the Japanese masters?) I
saw some terrific dwarfs in a book. I think only the
heads were diagrammed, but someone could probably
figure out the rest. (This ring a bell with anyone?
each dwarf was carrying a pick or tool, like the
Snow white crew?)

(and no, I still don't have diagrams for the Sullivan
Castle units)

--valerie
Compuserve: Valerie Vann 75070,304
Internet: 75070.304@compuserve.com
Internet: valerivann@aol.com
WWW: http://users.aol.com/valerivann/index.html





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Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 16:48:39 -0400
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Unit Origami

Jonathan,

I went bonkers when I first found Fuse's Unit Origami
a few years ago. In fact its what got me back into
origami after a 15 year hiatus... So I understand
perfectly!

I've been meaning to update my list with comments of
all the Fuse books I've got; must get to it. Meantime
you could get a catalog from OUSA's supply store,
which gives most of the ISBN numbers (though the
titles are translated from Japanese, the ISBNs should
do the trick); then you'd have a list of what to
order locally, or hunt for.

--valerie
Compuserve: Valerie Vann 75070,304
Internet: 75070.304@compuserve.com
Internet: valerivann@aol.com
WWW: http://users.aol.com/valerivann/index.html





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Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 16:50:30 -0400
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: mulberry fiber "tissue" paper

Yikes, at $1.49 for that much paper, if the Thais
tumble to the number of origami fans, it could
revolutionize the origami paper business. The only
place I can usually get that kind of paper is in
an art supply store $$$ or mixed in with the really
fancy printed origami paper (chirwhatever, sp?), or
occasionally in teensy pkgs of, say,  5 sheets of
8 in. paper for $7 (!!!!).

I also noticed some paper at a Hallmark store, sold
as tissue, looked like slightly heavier than usual
tissue paper, with 'silk threads'. Haven't tried it,
has anyone? I will probably pick up a pkg next time
I'm in there.

--valerie
Compuserve: Valerie Vann 75070,304
Internet: 75070.304@compuserve.com
Internet: valerivann@aol.com
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Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 16:52:22 -0400
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Comments/?? on Web Page

Tim,

<<The ornament and its color scheme>>

The ornament unit (Sonobe variation) I used
(as I said, its probably only a parallel
invention, somebody's got to have hit on it
before) adds some extra facets that make the
30-unit model look more spherical and less like
a stellated icosahedron as the usual plain
Sonobe 30-unit construction does. This is
especially good in foil paper, though I often
think foil obscures the geometry of modular
constructions in an unfortunate way, with this
one it works very well, as the colors refect each
other and themselves, giving more shades, and
making the construction look much more complicated
than it is.

There is a traditional piece of jewelry called a
Brazillian Miner's Ball, usually worn as a pendant.
Its a sphere that's covered with about 2 dozen
gems, all in different colors. The gems are the
varieties that are mined in Brazil, which is most
of the fancy colored precious and semi-precious
clear stones, so the Miner's Ball has lime green,
yellow, orange, red, purple, and just about every
other color of gem there is. My origami ornament
reminds me of a Miner's Ball.

About the color scheme: I used my standard 5 color
30 unit scheme. Since Sonobe type units are 'edge
units' (the diagonal valley fold of each unit lies
along an edge of an icosahedron in a 30-unit model),
the 5-color scheme is mapped as follows:

Join one each of the 5 colors as 5 edges converging
at a vertex of an icosahedron.

Select 5 more units, one of each color. Use each of
these to form triangles with 2 of the previous 5.
(The triangular 'faces' of the icosahedron formed
by 3 edges. In the case of Sonobe-type units, the
triangular face is actually the open base of a
tri-pyramid formed by the flaps and pockets of
three units joined together.)

Select the color of each of these last 5 units by
observing the color of the unit that is directly
opposite to and perpenticular to the unit you are
placing. Continue building using the icosahedron
edge paradigm, selecting the unit color in this
same way. (The 5th unit at any vertex is always
just the only one not at the vertex yet, as each
vertex will be the convergence of the five colors.)

     1      5     FIRST 5 UNITS
      1    5      AT A VERTEX
       1 5
   22222 44444
        3
        3
        3

      333333
     1      5     ADDING THE NEXT UNIT
      1    5      TO FORM A TRIANGLE:
       1 5        NOTE THE POSITIONS OF
   22222 44444    THE COLOR (3) UNITS.
        3         SIMILARLY, THE TRIANGLE
        3         WITH EXISTING (4) AND (5)
        3         SIDES WILL BE CLOSED WITH
                  A (2) UNIT, THE (3) and (4
TRIANGLE WITH A (1) UNIT AND SO ON IN ORDER
CLOCKWISE AROUND THE VERTEX.

The finished 30-unit construction will not have
the colors in the same ORDER around each vertex,
but vertices on opposite sides of the icosahedron
will be. No two units of the same color will be
adjacent.

--valerie
Compuserve: Valerie Vann 75070,304
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Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 17:14:58 -0400
From: bij1slm@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Sharon Lee McCarthy)
Subject: Origami Books in Chicago

Hi Netters,
     For those people in the Chicago Area a good place to get
origami books is the Brookfield Zoo Bookstore at Bookfield Zoo,
3300 Golf Road in Brookfield IL.
     They carry many of the Dover books by Lang, Montroll, and Engel,
as well as the Dover Origami Paper packets.   I have never asked
for them to special order any books but they would probably do that as
well.
      The bookstore is within the Zoo itself so if you are not a member
you need to go on a day when admission is free.  If you are a zoo
member, you get a 10% discount on all zoo purchases.  They charge the
cover prices for the books.
        I am a member so I do not know when the free days are but their
general phone number is 708-485-0263.

On another vein: are there any origami groups in the Chicago Area?
Please reply to me directly.  Thank you!

Dr. Sharon Lee McCarthy
Department of Chemistry and Physics
Chicago State University
9501 S. King Drive
Chicago, Il 60628
312-995-3892
bij1slm@bgu.edu





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Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 19:48:46 -0400
From: slider@ims.mariposa.ca.us (Pat Slider)
Subject: Re: Origami & games

>Somewhere recently (one of the Japanese masters?) I
>saw some terrific dwarfs in a book. I think only the
>heads were diagrammed, but someone could probably
>figure out the rest. (This ring a bell with anyone?
>each dwarf was carrying a pick or tool, like the
>Snow white crew?)

These must be the ones in Yoshizawa's "Sosaku Origami". There are three of
them, one with a shovel, one with a pick, and one with a lantern. Very
expressive fellows. Now how does Yoshizawa do that :->?

pat slider
slider@yosemite.net





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Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 22:00:31 -0400
From: Jeff Lanam <jlanam@netgate.net>
Subject: Any Mermaids?

        Can anyone point me to a mermaid model?  I have a fried
with a birthday upcoming who collects anything with mermaids.

Thanks
Jeff Lanam    jlanam@netgate.net     www.netgate.net/~jlanam





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Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 11:26:24 -0400
From: CThackeray@aol.com
Subject: Re: Roses for the wife

If you want a truely beautiful rose, try James Sakoda's Swirl Rose. It's not
only the best looking flower I've ever seen, its also fun to fold.
Clare





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Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 11:41:19 -0400
From: CThackeray@aol.com
Subject: Re: Sakoda's Swirl Rose

If anyone's interested, I have a scanned image of the rose. I've never tried
attaching a file, but I'll give it a shot. Just tell me what file format you
want.





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Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 12:16:11 -0400
From: Michael Adcock <adcock@Menudo.UH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Any Mermaids?

>
>         Can anyone point me to a mermaid model?  I have a fried
> with a birthday upcoming who collects anything with mermaids.
>
> Thanks
> Jeff Lanam    jlanam@netgate.net     www.netgate.net/~jlanam
>
The Annual Collection, Convention 1993, of The Friends of The Origami
Center of America (now Origami USA), has a mermaid by Christopher Zima on
page 248.

If you can't get a copy of the it, I might be able to scan in the 4 pages
at work next week, and email them to you...

Michael

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Eliteness is inversely proportional to claims of such" -Kevin Martinez

Michael Adcock (a.k.a. Blackadder)
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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 09:28:40 -0400
From: dzimm@nando.net (David Zimmerman)
Subject: Re: Any Mermaids?

"> Jeff Lanam wrote ..."
>
>         Can anyone point me to a mermaid model?  I have a fried
> with a birthday upcoming who collects anything with mermaids.
>

"fried mermaids?"

That's a mental image I probably don't need for day to day life.   ;-}

--
David P Zimmerman             dzimm@nando.net
916 Riderwood Ct               919 557 7692
WillowSpring NC 27592           D-17293

 The laws of gravity are very, very strict





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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 09:32:13 -0400
From: A004773%LBVM1.profs@lbgwy.mdc.com
Subject: rose picture

 Instead of attaching your scanned rose to a note for this list, could
 you upload it to Joseph Wu's WEB page where it would be more appropriate
 for graphic browsers?  Thanks in advance...

 John Andrisan
 IBMMAIL: USMCDQND   Internet: a004773%lbvm1.profs@lbgwy.mdc.com





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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 09:32:46 -0400
From: rlafleur@vnet.net (Ross Lafleur)
Subject: mermaids

There is a model of a mermaid in the 1993 OUSA annual
collection.





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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 09:32:30 -0400
From: A004773%LBVM1.profs@lbgwy.mdc.com
Subject: mermaid model

 There's a foil mermaid model by Pat Crawford on pages 53-57 of Robert
 Harbin's book "Origami A Step-by-Step Guide", published by Hamlyn
 Publishing Group, Ltd., London, date 1974, ISBN 0 600 38109 9.

 This book may be out-of-print and hard to find. I got my copy from FOCA
 in 1975.

 John Andrisan
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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 09:33:02 -0400
From: CThackeray@aol.com
Subject: Re: Sakoda Swirl Rose

The diagram I have is in a book titled "Origami Flower Arrangement". Every
model in this book is a gem. According to the preface  it's a workbook that
was created for a workshop. I bought it through OUSA Source. I haven't seen
it listed lately, but they may have some copies, if not, maybe they can
persuade Mr. Sakoda to re-release it.





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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 09:33:45 -0400
From: ROBINMACEY@aol.com
Subject: Origami bookshops in Japan & Singapore

Can anyone provide information about good bookshops to obtain origami books
in both Japan (Tokyo) and Singapore? I am due to make a short visit to both
these countries during April  / May and any information would be much
appreciated.

If any folders from Japan and Singapore subscribe to this list then I would
be interested to hear about any origami meetings taking place which it might
be possible to attend. If so please reply to me directly.

Robin Macey   (Nottingham, England)
robinmacey@aol.com





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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 09:34:19 -0400
From: Soylent Green <rhudson@ycp.edu>
Subject: RE: Any Mermaids?

There's one in Robert Harbin's out-of-print "Origami: A Step by Step Guide"  I
     have the mermaid diagrams if you can wait long enough for me to get them
     to you.





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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 09:35:00 -0400
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: David Petty / D. Petty

Could someone help me out with some information?

The BOS booklets I have list one by 'Dave Petty",
'Paper People and other Pointers', and a couple
more attributed just to 'D. Petty', including the
one on 'The Genius of Jan Willem Derksen' (which I
have; small but highly recommended; my favorite
butterfly, some nifty geometrics, a great bear).

'D. Petty' and 'Dave Petty' are one and the same,
I presume? Also the same as the 'David Petty'
included in one of Tomoko Fuse's international collections,
('Wonderful World of Modulars'; Japanese) along with
David Mitchell?

Thanks in Advance for any assistance,
--valerie
Internet: 75070.304@compuserve.com
Internet: valerivann@aol.com
WWW: http://users.aol.com/valerivann/index.html





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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 12:47:19 -0400
From: Kristine Tomlinson <ktomlinson@platinum.com>
Subject: Pinky and the Brain do Origami

    So, how many of you caught the origami episode of the Pinky and the
    Brain cartoon last night?  It aired on the WB network in the No'east
    (USA) and seems to have a repeat showing at some on Saturday mornings.

    Brain showed Pinky how to make a flapping bird to keep him busy.  It
    reappears a few more times, but I won't spoil the plot.  Let me just
    say that Pinky's preferred papers are newsprint and large government
    checks.

    Kristine
    ktomlinson@trinzic.com





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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 13:20:18 -0400
From: Brett <BrettAndJill@OIA.Net>
Subject: Re: Lang's Butterfly

>BrettAndJill, if you find John Montroll's book in St. Louis, let me know. I
>tried the Barnes & Noble in Crestwood, not there yet. Does the Source have
>it?
>
>Clare
>
I ordered it through Library LTD. Saturday.  They said they finally got it
in and then sold all copies.

I like that Lang book with the biplane in it, but I found some of the
diagrams confusing at times, but very do-able (it was the first book I
bought that was really complex)  I like the gerbil and the grasshopper.

Also, (if you don't have it already and you love frustration) Lang's Insect
book has some FAB models in it.  And the diagrams while being fiendishly
difficult to fold are very clear.

Clare Next time post/send me your Email address.

Brett
BrettAndJill@OIA.Net





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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 13:23:27 -0400
From: Iron Will Dawes <wdawes@cs.nmsu.edu>
Subject: bookstores in Tokyo

  I don't know of any bookstores devoted exclusively to origami, but
there's a bookstore chain called "Matsuda" in all the major cities of
Japan with a very exhaustive collection. I visited one in Tokyo and
Nagoya and found many origami books I'd wanted for a long time. The
stores are usually from 6 to 10 stories of nothing but books. If you
can't read Chinese characters, you may need to ask for assistance in
finding the "Origami" section.
                              -Will(wdawes@cs.nmsu.edu)





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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 14:10:58 -0400
From: Karina Wright <karina@fred.net>
Subject: Paper airplanes

Mark Kennedy was the origami guest of honor at Lunacon (a science fiction
convention) this past weekend.

On Sunday, he held a paper airplane design/flying contest followed by
lessons in a few simple figures (envelope, jumping frog, box bottom).

I am proud to announce my 2 kids (ages 9 & 7) came in first and second
respectively in the under-12 division. Of course, the fact that they are
subjected to origami at home and are both reasonably proficient at it (my
older daughter is better than my son in this regard), probably gave them an
edge.  Looking at my daughter's plane, however, I'm not sure how it got 1
foot, never mind 12 (very pretty, but very odd).  They both spent the 5 hour
trip home, making the frogs and patterns from the book she won for coming in
first (he got plans for an f-14 tomcat..he will have to aspire to this).

ttfn/Karina

e-mail:karina@fred.net
Cafe Karina BBS 301-662-9134
Ventriloquism Home Page: http://www.fred.net/karina/vent.html
Alan Rickman fan page: http://www.fred.net/karina/rickman.html





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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 14:13:20 -0400
From: Michael Lindner <lindner@worldweb.net>
Subject: Unfinished Models - What do you do?

It's been somewhat encouraging to hear from the all the people who've had
trouble folding Lang's models. While the ones I've finished are the BEST
models I've got (especially the bugs), I have an ever-growing collection of
incomplete models stalled at the step I wasn't able to proceed beyond. I
usually tuck them into the page with the offending step and go on to another
one.

At this point I must have a dozen or so books bulging with uncompleted
folds. These books usually say Lang or Montroll on the spine. What do you
do? Has anyone actually received textual info in this newsgroup to get them
through a troubling step? I've noticed, as with many things in life, that if
I stash the incomplete model and come back to it at a later date, I'm able
to move on (usually to another difficult step). Let me know.

Keep on foldin',

Michael Lindner
lindner@worldweb.net





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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 16:13:31 -0400
From: Brian@goodallb.demon.co.uk (Brian J. Goodall)
Subject: Re: David Petty / D. Petty

Yes, they are all one and the same.
Regards,
--
Brian J. Goodall             * Experience is what you get when *
Sutton Coldfield             * you're too old to use it!       *
West Midlands                * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
