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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 11:36:28 -0400
From: chall@scsn.net (Carol Hall)
Subject: Re: photographing origami

>Hmmmm... I am beginning to see different options for courses:
>
>1) Someone with experience photographing origami could give a "lecture"
>   on what type of equipment is needed to to do a good job, what techniques
>   are useful, and show some of theirown pictures.  This might be a
>
>2) A similar idea but oriented towards what can be done with "point and click"
>   type cameras --- i.e. the type most people have.  The problem (perhaps)
>   is to find someone into photography enough to want teach the course, but
>
>3) Something along the lines of (2) but with some opportunity for the
>   students to try out the ideas.  Doug Philips idea of 2 courses in one
>   day with time to develop the film in between is a good one.
>
>Carol, am I right that you are thinking about (2) and/or (3)?
>
Right you are, although I think (1) would be most interesting, just because
I always like to know how things are done.  Most of us are not going to
publish origami books so the top quality professional photos, beautiful as
they are, are not what we are after.  I'd like hints on setting up a
background, makeshift lighting (I'm not about to buy those spotlights since
photography is not something I aim to spend a lot of time on), and film
types, distances from which to shoot, those types of things.  A two-part
workshop would be great, but a one hour (single session) lecture type class
might be even better for those of us who want to cram as much folding as
possible into the convention. (I don't get to fold with other knowledgeable
folders at any time except the convention.)
Carol Hall





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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 12:15:38 -0400
From: Jeannine Mosely <j9@concentra.com>
Subject: Re: photographing origami

Another thought about class logistics:  If we photographed in black
and white, there might be a darkroom at the F.I.T. that we could get
access to.

        -- jeannine mosely





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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 12:16:33 -0400
From: Troy Tate <supertroy@wc2.tdh.state.tx.us>
Subject: Business card ornaments?

As there are several readers who enjoy making modulars with business
cards, I thought you might find this WWW site interesting.....

http://iamg.novell.com/iamg/internet/soulmate/kate.htm

This is one page in a series of images/descriptions of people and
personalities relating to a Novell LAN Workplace product.  Novell is
running a quiz on the features of the product and giving away some
neat prizes.

 I know this is not typical origami related material,  but the text for
"Kate" has a reference to her taking "pride in making small gold
and teal Christmas ornaments with business cards. "

Hope you have fun!

Troy
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Troy Tate, CNE
Cutler/Williams, Inc.
Texas Department of Health
512-458-7355 x3118
ttate@wc2.tdh.state.tx.us
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Avoiding those who are "technically
competent but have a charisma bypass".





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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 12:20:38 -0400
From: dzimm@nando.net (David Zimmerman)
Subject: Re: Folding Tyvek

"> MRS. JANET J HAMILTON wrote ..."
>
> -- [ From: Janet Hamilton * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --
>
> > I thought of actually ironing the finished model to try
> > and *slightly* melt the plastic paper, but haven't wanted to ruin our iron
> > just yet.
>
> Use a piece of newspaper between the iron and the model (it's what we
> do when ironing out the wax when doing wax resist dying on fabric).
>

Good thought!

That's what I love about this "sport". The cross fertilization between
various people's interests makes for some great hybrid vigor.

--
David P Zimmerman             dzimm@nando.net
916 Riderwood Ct               919 557 7692
WillowSpring NC 27592           D-17293

A plan is just a tangential vector on the monifold of reality
                            --"Skratch" Garrison





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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 12:37:43 -0400
From: "Weinstein, Michael" <michaelw@bdg10.niddk.nih.gov>
Subject: Origami Fantasy

Someone on the list recntly asked whether Kasahara's new dinosaur
book is worth the fifty simoleans one has to invest in it.  My
answer is an emphatic yes!

Kasahara's "Origami Fantasy" is definitely worth the asking price.
The dinosaur models are absolute materpieces, and the whole thing
is well done.  It is also a hardback, so it won't fall apart after
it goes out of print.

The best models are all projects in their own right.  Many
involve a great deal of box-pleating or other types of precreasing,
which is very time consuming.  On the other hand, a Tyrannosaur
complete with teeth, or an ankylosaur complete with everything,
is certainly worth the investment of time and funds.  I plan on
saving these models for occasions when I want something really
impressive.

Yeah, its pricey, but what's money for anyway?

Michael Weinstein
MichaelW@bdg10.NIDDK.NIH.gov





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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 12:47:26 -0400
From: kkinney@med.unc.edu (Kevin Kinney)
Subject: frog-tadpole

> >I believe John Montroll has devised such a model, or something like it ...
> >In Origami Sea Life, there are models for the four stages of the frog's
> >life cycle.  That's not exactly the same as the one challenged, since they

Yes, those are the ones I've seen, but they are separate models (thught
the two tadpoles are related, as are the two frog stages).

> >are four separate models....I swear I've seen something that actually
> >metamorphoses from tadpole to frog tho ...
>
> This is true. Aaron Einbond, that creative prodigy from NY, recently taught
> a tadpole to frog model that was actually one model (i.e., the folding
> sequence for each of the four stages is based on the last step of the
> previous stage). The resulting stages are not as efficient as John's, but
> IMHO, this work from Aaron was highly underrated. Sorry, this model to my
> knowledge was not diagrammed.
>
That's *exactly* what I was thinking of...Ah well.

Ksk





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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 13:50:15 -0400
From: slider@ims.mariposa.ca.us (Pat Slider)
Subject: Re: photographing origami

Couldn't resist putting in my 2=A2....

If you just have a point-and-shoot, it will be almost impossible to achieve
satisfying results. Things are always much harder to do (and frustrating)
when you aren't using the right tools.

=46or those that really need to take some quality pictures but don't have th=
e
equipment and can't really justify investing in some, consider renting an
SLR with the appropriate lens! If you live near a good-size city, you could
probably find a shop that rents equipment; if not, there are some places in
the back of photo magazines that advertize (CALUMET does I believe). I
don't really know what the going rental rates are, but you might save on
film :->.

If you want to buy a good camera and can't afford it, consider buying used.
There are a number of companies that sell used equipment with warranties,
plus lots of ads in the back of Shuttlebug magazine.  If you aren't looking
for a Nikon, you can probably find something for less than $200....i.e. an
older manual Canon.

As for a course teacher, perhaps if someone asked at some of the local
photo shops in New York, a volunteer could be found. Maybe a photo shop
might do it for the advertising and film sales?

pat slider.





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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 13:56:53 -0400
From: Rjlang@aol.com
Subject: Re: Fold away or side-to-side?

Tom "origami-math-god" Hull wrote:

>>>>
 Thus, I agree with Paul Jackson's choice of pedagogy.
You ask the beginner to fold in a specific way in hopes that
this will make their life easier.  It doesn't mean that
*everyone* has to fold this way all the time!
<<<<

I gotta disagree witcha Tom. It sounds like you're saying "it's better to be
definite than to be right." A beginner is *more* likely to take a direct
order such as the quoted one as gospel truth, not knowing any better, than a
more experienced folder; so it's more important with a beginner that you not
close any doors. Especially when you might be telling him the wrong thing.
For example, I (and apparently, many other readers on this list who
responded) find that I fold more accurately "folding away." By flatly
ordering the beginner to do things the more awkward way (even if it's less
awkward for beginners who are wired like Paul, it's more awkward for a
significant fraction), you're causing more problems than you're fixing by
being pedagogical.

Robert Lang





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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 14:03:41 -0400
From: jan_polish@colpal.com
Subject: Books

     Hi ... it's me, Jan Polish (from Origami USA, sometimes), back on the
     list after several months in isolation with a sick computer. The
     computer at home is still ill, but I've subscribed from work at least
     temporarily.

     Just wanted to let everyone know that we FINALLY got our shipment from
     Japan of Kawahata's book of super-complex dinosaurs (plus unicorn and
     centaur) "Fantasy Origami", and they'll be on sale at The Origami
     Source for $45. Yes, I know that's frightfully expensive, but we got a
     minimal discount ourselves from the publisher, and what with shipping
     and the state of the Japanese yen vs US $, etc. that's what the price
     has to be. Usual discount to members, of course. Robert Lang's posting
     several months ago described the book well ... it's amazing!

     Also, the new book "Brilliant Origami" by Dave Brill has finally
     arrived, after many publication delays. Since I've been absent from
     the list for a while, I don't know if anyone has talked about it, but
     it's a 240-page, 79-model masterpiece filled with Dave's incredible
     creations. It's paperback, and $20. If anyone wants, I can describe it
     more fully.

     Last ... could I beg everyone who posts to the list to include their
     name and eMail address in the body of the text? My work system is one
     of those that does not include the address of the original poster, and
     it's very frustrating not to be able to reply privately or even know
     the author of the posted pearls of wisdom. (And, yes, I saw the
     posting about obtaining the headers when you get digest format, but I
     prefer the individual items.)

     Information about the convention in my next posting!

     Thanks,

     Jan Polish (jan_polish@colpal.com)





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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 14:24:56 -0400
From: kkinney@med.unc.edu (Kevin Kinney)
Subject: What's money for?

Snip, snip

> Yeah, its pricey, but what's money for anyway?
>
> Michael Weinstein
> MichaelW@bdg10.NIDDK.NIH.gov
>
Why, for folding, obviously!

Kkinney





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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 14:41:05 -0400
From: jmarcoli@stratacom.com (John Marcolina)
Subject: Re: Origami Fantasy

Michael Weinstein writes:

Someone on the list recntly asked whether Kasahara's new dinosaur
book is worth the fifty simoleans one has to invest in it.  My
answer is an emphatic yes!
(snip)
The dinosaur models are absolute materpieces, and the whole thing
is well done.  It is also a hardback, so it won't fall apart after
it goes out of print.
(snip)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
     ----
I must agree, and I'd like to add that there have been detailed reviews that
included a complete list of the models, that you'll find in the archives (I
don't have the book with me so I can't list them all). Also, the book *is* in
Japanese, but the diagrams are so outstanding that I found this no hindrance
at all.

Oh, and by the way, it's by Fumiaki Kawahata, not Kasahara.

John Marcolina
jmarcolina@strata.com





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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 15:29:33 -0400
From: "Weinstein, Michael" <michaelw@bdg10.niddk.nih.gov>
Subject: Re: Fold away or side-to-side?

The Origami/Math Dieties are having epic wars over the proper
way to fold/teach folding.  I thought I'd meekly interject
the question, "did anyone teach you which way to fold paper
(i.e. side to side, up and down etc...) when you (reflexive)
were learning?".  Noone taught me, and my mom thinks I turned out
O.K. (my wife isn't sure yet).  Moreover, I've taught lotsa folks
who didn't know beans about origami, and I never even thought to
tell them about side to side or anything.  Most of them turned out
to be influential leaders in their respective communities, so I
don't think I was that far wrong.  My students seem to figure it
out for themselves most days.  Tom, did anyone show you "which
way to fold"?.

On the other hand, Robert, when teaching a beginner anything one
usually gives a linear sequence of steps with a minimum of branch
points (i.e. you say, "do this, and not "well, you can do this
several different ways").  My rotation students get the basic DNA
prep, no frills attached.  They'll figure out there's more than
one way to skin a cat (or a mouse, in my case) for themselves in
good time.  Introducing multiple approaches to a greenhorn only
encourages confusion, except for those with massively towering
intellects, who'll figure it out for themselves anyway.

Toodleoo!
Michael Weinstein
MichaelW@bdg10.NIDDK.NIH.gov





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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 15:30:09 -0400
From: David Holmes <cm4bcdmh@bs47c.staffs.ac.uk>
Subject: Start story

Hi all,

Now that my exams have finished, I hope to participate more in the
discussions, that's if I don't get overwhelmed by the amount of traffic
on the list - on Monday morning, after spending a long weekend at home, I
was confronted by 98 messages :)

I think I first came across origami while at primary school, folding
fortune tellers, waterbombs and paper aeroplanes.  I can't remember when I
progressed onto further models, but I certainly borrowed books from local
libraries.

I put origami to one side for a while and up until Christmas, I only knew
two models off-by-heart: the flapping bird and the Star of David money
fold (for obvious reasons).

It was at christmas that I found "Origami: A complete step-by-step guide"
by Paul Jackson in a discount book store, and thus my interest was rekindled.

I'm hoping to go to the BOS convention in Nottingham at the end of
March.  It's on the weekend after I finish for easter and the day after
my birthday, so it would be nice to attend.

Look out for more from me real soon - I have a number of things to
say/ask but I'll put them in separate messages with appropriate subjects :)

David M Holmes                  cm4bcdmh@bs47c.staffs.ac.uk
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British Origami Society        Association of C & C++ Users
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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 15:31:34 -0400
From: "David M. Dewey" <dmdewey@yrkpa.kias.com>
Subject: Is it art? or It looks like a crumpled piece of paper to me!

It is interesting to note that the trend in origami has been away
from the stylized representations of objects toward more 'anatomically
correct' ones which can be more easily recognized by, not only kids, but
even adults. More and more illustrations are required to show how to
manipulate thick but microscopic folds into the fingernails of a monkey.
Another example - Wet folding, which has received a bit of attention in
here recently, is an attempt to more naturally duplicate the roundedness
of animals.  Don't take this as a complaint because I'll admit that I get
a sense of accomplishment when I am able to fold some of the more complex
models. But, if we are to call origami an art form then I wonder if we
might be approaching a time when we will shift away from the accurate
renditions and move toward more stylistic creations. Anybody ready for
cubistic origami where you can try to convince your audience that that
box is really a person! Don't ask me what the point of this was! I don't
know. It just came to me as I was reading some of the thread on What is
it? Dead Origami and Origami as art.

                              Dave Dewey





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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 16:01:19 -0400
From: Ninety Six Elementary <frick@emeraldis.com>
Subject: RE:Dead Folds

Dead Folds, aren't lose the ones that you can't fold, that haunt you in the
middle of the night as you lie awake trying to figure out where you went
wrong? Marsha DuPre





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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 16:14:07 -0400
From: "Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy)" <sychen@ENH.NIST.GOV>
Subject: Re: Books

At 02:03 PM 2/14/96 -0400, you wrote:
<snip>
>
>     Also, the new book "Brilliant Origami" by Dave Brill has finally
>     arrived, after many publication delays. Since I've been absent from
>     the list for a while, I don't know if anyone has talked about it, but
>     it's a 240-page, 79-model masterpiece filled with Dave's incredible
>     creations. It's paperback, and $20. If anyone wants, I can describe it
>     more fully.
>

<snip>

Yes! More review! Please!

|-------------------------------------------------------\
|  _  Sy Chen <chens@iia.org or sychen@enh.nist.gov>    |\
| |_| Folding Page http://www.iia.org/~chens/pprfld.htm --\





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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 16:28:13 -0400
From: David Holmes <cm4bcdmh@bs47c.staffs.ac.uk>
Subject: Some random thoughts...

I enjoy origami for both the folding of the model and the end product.  I
can also see a parallel between origami and writing computer programs;
you are creating something 'complex' from very basic objects.  With
origami it is a simple piece of paper, and with programming it is the
commands and syntax of the programming language.

As far as types of models go, I particularly like action models and money
folds.  I also hate models with a vengeance which require the piece of
paper to be cut.

Now that I have found a postscript printer in my university, I am
steadily printing out the models from the archive, they are proving to be
an excellent resource.

I have developed a couple of models of my own - a seal pup, and a flat
christmas cracker (Has anyone else done a cracker?).  I will draw the
diagrams for them soon, scan them in, and email them to anyone who is
interested.

David M Holmes                  cm4bcdmh@bs47c.staffs.ac.uk
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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 17:01:22 -0400
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: Re: self-pride1

Matthew...You indeed did have reason to feel very proud of yourself.....Part
of the mystique of Origami is when you have a serendipitous magical moment
with other people......I hope you have as happy a life with Origami as I have
had....I have been doing it for 36 years and still learning and teaching.  I
get more excited about new models all of the time......Greetings, Dorigami.





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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 17:05:50 -0400
From: David Holmes <cm4bcdmh@bs47c.staffs.ac.uk>
Subject: Questions for BOS members.

I recently joined the BOS and have a few questions for BOS members:

1) The introductory information I received included two Mail-Order
   Supplies List pamphlets (sp?), one was a stop press detailing Eric
   Kenneway's "ABC of Origami" booklet.  Before I order anything I
   would like to know what the current P&P charges are, the two
   pamphlets quota different amounts.

2) How long is the list of BOS publications?  The list in the pamphlet I
   have does not include a booklet called Action Toys which someone on
   this list recommended to me earlier.

3) Is the 75mm square paper intended for modular origami?

4) What format do BOS conventions usually take?

All responses gratefully received.

David M Holmes                  cm4bcdmh@bs47c.staffs.ac.uk
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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 17:25:40 -0400
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Fuse's Quilt book.

I just email searched the archive and couldn't find any juicies on Fuse's
Quilts book.  I will probably but it on principal, but I am curious to know
what those of you who already have it think.  Do tell!

-Doug





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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 17:39:38 -0400
From: jan_polish@colpal.com
Subject: Techniques Day at Convention

     You probably all know about the dates for Origami Convention '96, and
     I know there's been discussion about what happens at a convention ...
     but did you know that this year we're trying something new? This is
     the blurb that will be in the next issue of Origami USA magazine:

     "We're planning something special this year at Origami Convention `96
     - a full day of sessions on Techniques. On Monday, July 1 we'll have
     classes and workshops on teaching origami, reading diagrams, jewelry
     making, wet folding, backcoating, folding miniatures, greeting cards,
     photographing origami, flower construction, decorating paper,
     diagramming, etc. In addition, we'll have sessions on learning or
     improving the folding skills that will help you to move from simple to
     intermediate models, or from intermediate to complex. So mark your
     calendars for June 28 to July 1. "

     I added "photographing origami" based on the current string. We'll
     definitely do something, maybe several things, but whether it's a
     class or a workshop will depend on whether someone qualified steps
     forward to teach.

     There will still be techniques classes during Saturday and Sunday, but
     possibly fewer, and we'd try to repeat them all on Monday. That way
     Saturday and Sunday can be more geared towards learning models, and
     Monday more geared towards learning techniques.

     My questions for the list are: What do you think about the concept?
     Any thoughts or suggestions on logistics and organization? What other
     techniques should we include? Can you suggest good teachers for the
     items listed? Any volunteers?

     Jan Polish (jan_polish@colpal.com)





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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 17:42:50 -0400
From: unhinged@yrkpa.kias.com
Subject: Re: Is it art? or It looks like a crumpled piece of paper to me!

Heh.. after seeing Michael LaFosses' approach to the "Art" aspect of
Origami, I'd be more willing to conclude that origami is taking a reverse
evolutionary path from the traditional art forms.  Origami in the past
has been highly stylized and requiring lots of interpretation (e.g.
Pajarita), but looking at some of Michael's wet-folded designs, one might
assume Origami is becoming sophisticated in an attempt to represent REAL
LIFE as accurately as possible.  In fact, IMHO LaFosse's origami not only
emulates the creature in a realistic format but also captures the MOOD of
the subjects he models.  In this respect origami has trancended 'art' in
impressionistic forms by combining realism with feeling.





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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 18:10:02 -0400
From: "Ashley G. Perrien" <perr2232@kutztown.edu>
Subject: Need flower! Emergency!

        Please help, I've got as date this weekend and would love to
impress her with an origami flower. Trouble is, the only one I know is
the water lily. Are there any flower diagrams available on the net??

Thanks for any help! Your responses are much appreciated!

AshleyP





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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 18:23:28 -0400
From: lehner@espinc.espinc.com (Ken Lehner)
Subject: Re: Techniques Day at Convention

Jan,

>      You probably all know about the dates for Origami Convention '96, and
>      I know there's been discussion about what happens at a convention ...
>      but did you know that this year we're trying something new? This is
>      the blurb that will be in the next issue of Origami USA magazine:

Not only do I not know the dates for the Convention, but I don't even
know *where* it is!  I'd appreciate any info you or anyone else can
supply.

Ken "awaiting my _Origami Fantasy_ from Sasuga" Lehner





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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 18:29:03 -0400
From: casida@ere.umontreal.ca (Casida Mark)
Subject: Re: Is it art? or It looks like a crumpled piece of paper to me!

I decided to react to :

> In this respect origami has trancended 'art' in
> impressionistic forms by combining realism with feeling.

Ummm... Isn't this what Ansel Adams and other photographers did when
they reacted to the then current trend of making fuzzy photographs
which attempted to imitate impressionist art by creating the f64
movement?  f64 refers to the f stop necessary for high depth of
field and exclusion of the outer parts of the lens which were not
as well ground as the center.  In other words, the movement was
toward having both ultrasharp photographs and doing art.  But, as
Ansel Adams frequently underlined, a photograph is never what the
photographer really saw when he took the picture.  If you can do
something to make its reality more believable (e.g. sharp clear figures),
then you are that much closer to convincing the viewer of that
visual image you are trying to communicate.

Now I will put this dangerous topic aside and see if anyone else
finds parallels between developments in origami and photography.

                                   ... Mark

P.S. "Art is a window washer" --- seen on a tee-shirt in Madison, Wisc.

--
*-------------------------------------------------------*
|          Mark E. Casida                               |
|          e-mail: casida@chimcn.umontreal.ca           |





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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 18:59:02 -0400
From: "Weinstein, Michael" <michaelw@bdg10.niddk.nih.gov>

In my thinking, traditional origami is not art, its craft.  The difference
lies in the fact that you don't look at a Mona Lisa and say, "gee, I'd
sure like to learn to do that".  Traditional models are simple,
and easily duplicated and disseminated.  Michael Lafosse's work is
completely the opposite.  Utilizing complex folding patterns,
specialized materials, and sophisticated sculptural processes
Michael creates works that are beautiful, stylized, and not easily
duplicated.  Someone else on the list mentioned photography.  Anyone
can snap a polaroid, but only a few gifted individuals can make
photographic art.

One of the really great directions in Origami is the development
of both highly complex and representational models, and specialized
materials and sculptural processes to create signature pieces.
In my opinion, this is one direction in which the art of origami
lay.





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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 20:48:31 -0400
From: terryh@lamg.com (Terry Hall)
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Dollar Bill Heart

Hi Bob,

The West Coast Origami Guild meets on the second Saturday of the month, from
1pm to 4pm at the Westside Hospital on Fairfax just North of Olympic. We meet
in the doctors lounge, parking is in the rear of the hospital. The newsletter
is put out every month and contains diagrams for an origami model.
Additionally, it has the location of our next meeting. Membership runs from
January to December of each year and costs $15 (for domestic). We had 27
people at our last meeting and regularly get 20 + at a meeting. Also, on the
months that have 5 Saturday's in them (March is the next one) we have an
extra meeting at a member's house in Orange County. If you decide to join
please make the check out to: WCOG and send it to :
Terry Hall, 2628 29th Street, Santa Monica, CA 90405
Hope to see you at one of our meetings.

Terry Hall
terryh@lamg.com





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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 23:48:41 -0400
From: "Jeffrey M. Goff" <jgoff@esu6.esu6.k12.ne.us>
Subject: re:a goofball challenge

On Tue, 13 Feb 1996, MARGARET M. BARBER wrote:
> On |Tue, 13 Feb 1996, Kevin Kinney wrote:
> >
> > Goofball challenge:  Anybody make a model that reflects  phases of an
> > animal's development, e.g., a frog model that at some point looks like a
> > tadpole?
> > Ksk
> >
>
> I believe there is a great model for a tadpole in Viva Origami by
> Kasahara and Maekawa -- but it doesn't turn into a frog;)

Origami Sea Life by John Motroll has a series of models running from the
tadpole to the frog, through several stages of development.

-Jeff <jeffgoff@synergy.net, jgoff@esu6.esu6.k12.ne.us>





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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 23:55:23 -0400
From: schary@VNET.IBM.COM
Subject: Closed sinks-How to, Lang's Cicada step 54-Help needed

Hi all,
   What is the technique to do closed sinks? I can do closed sinks
for small triangular flaps (like the top of a waterbomb base), but
how does one do closed sinks for large irregular shapes (many many
involved in Langs-Insects...Robert, How did you even visualise
such complex folds?????).
   I am having trouble with step 54 in the Cicada from Origami
Insects...it says Crimp by spreading layers evenly...there are 3 layers
here, and when I crimp, I can't get it to be even...Help!!
Thanks,
Sreenath---------schary@vnet.ibm.com





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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 00:00:57 -0400
From: "Jeffrey M. Goff" <jgoff@esu6.esu6.k12.ne.us>
Subject: Re: Speaking of books...

On Wed, 14 Feb 1996, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote:

> Well, fumble-fingers strikes.  That was intended to be a personal response,
> and was intended to have some actual original text in it, to boot.  Since
> I'm apologizing, I might as well ask the question here:
>
> What makes _Origami Fantasy_ worth $43?  Messages in the archives mention
Primarily 'cause it's imported from Japan. While I was over there, I
picked up some copies of _Oru_ magazine, each at about $37/issue.

> that it has some really nice, _hard_ models in it.  How large is it?  How
> many models are presented?  If it's a sizable book I'll probably pick it
> up, but if it's thin then I'll probably save my money and instead buy some
> more of the cheap Montroll/Lang paperbacks from Dover.
My copy hasn't come in yet, though I wait with bated breath.
I don't think anyone's posted the contents of the book, although I will if
there's enough interest.

Judging by price <a notoriously bad guide, I realize> it's probably about
180 pages. I've got a copy of _Oru_ magazine sitting at my desk, and it
was $37 with 160 pages.

> Oh, and is it in Japanese?  I have some Japanese ability (two years of
> college instruction) and could use the practise.
I would guess that it is, yes.
If you really want to practice your Japanese, I would probably recommend a
few issues of _Oru_ magazine. Lots of text, probably a lot more than your
typical Origami book.

-Jeff Goff <jeffgoff@synergy.net, jgoff@esu6.esu6.k12.ne.us>





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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 00:07:20 -0400
From: James_Sakoda@Brown.edu (James Minoru Sakoda)
Subject: Re: Try a scanner

>What I had in mind was not trying to produce publishable-quality photos.  If
>I wanted that type of job done, I'd find a professional.  What I am
>interested in is good enough quality that I can distinguish at least the
>major features of the model as a record of what I've folded.  This is
>especially helpful for models to be given away!  I'd be able to proove (to
>myself anyway) that I actually produced the thing!
>
One possibility for a recognizable photograph is to use a scanner, if one
has access to one.  A copier may work just as well.  I tried putting a
folded origami on the scanner, propped up the lid so that it would not
squash the folding, and scanned it onto my computer, and then printed it
out.  One of the difficulties is the lack of control over the orientation
of the origami and the lack of control over the lighting.  I have put the
origami on a cardboard using poster putty and placed the cardboard at an
angle to get a different view.  Of course it would be better to have a
camera, preferably a video camera, to get a picture into a computer.  The
advantage of using a scanner is that one solves the problem of close-up
photographing and the cost of developing and printing.  James M. Sakoda





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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 00:09:53 -0400
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: Re: Teaching

Sarah....I like your idea about sharing tips on favorite models to teach and
tips on teaching them.  It would also be expedient if you would list in what
books the models could be found. I think it would be  good to suggest age
appropriateness also.    Dorigami





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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 01:19:59 -0400
From: Michael J Gebis <gebis@ecn.purdue.edu>
Subject: Re: Some random thoughts...

> I have developed a couple of models of my own - a seal pup, and a flat
> christmas cracker (Has anyone else done a cracker?).  I will draw the
> diagrams for them soon, scan them in, and email them to anyone who is
> interested.

I recently developed a model of a saltine.  I belive that it's one of
the finest examples of 0 fold origami to be found. :)

--
Mike Gebis  gebis@ecn.purdue.edu





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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 01:25:37 -0400
From: unhinged@yrkpa.kias.com
Subject: Re: Chinese detainees

Well, I've made some progress in finding out what the nature of the
models that the Chinese detainees at the York County prison create.  I've
got an appointment with the prison on Monday afternoon around 1:15 to
talk with the creators of these works.

It's already been an interesting trial.  After convincing the warden that
I should be allowed to visit for a school 'art project', I was
transferred to the chaplain of the prison.  Turns out its maximum
security, and the chaplain (grim fellows, they are) gave me the ground
rules- no sharp objects, don't wear blue (blue is in this season for
inmates), and don't wear a necktie ("You see, you'll get strangled to
death that way", he explained).  He also told me that only a couple speak
very limited English, and that I couldn't bring anything in with me (no
paper!), so it will be a fascinating exercise in communication, since I
speak no Chinese.

Oh- and I get to sign a neat liability waiver "Don't worry," said the
chaplain, "the forms a formality- it means that if you are held hostage,
we might give into SOME of the prisoners demands, but not all of them"

Mom was somewhat dubious tonight when I told her where I'll be on Monday,
and wondered exactly what the connect was between entering a maximum
security prison and learning origami.

Oh, well- anything to learn a new model!

(pray they don't show "Attica" on prison TV that day!)

I'll keep the list posted

Rob





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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 01:41:09 -0400
From: "NIGEL POTTLE, TEACHER-LIBRARIAN, WOODLANDS ELEM. SCHOOL"@Owl.nstn.ca
Subject: Re: Teaching

Since I asked about teaching, I agree. I would love to have some recommendations
and estimated age/ability appropriateness.

Thanks, Nigel
Npottle@cbe.ab.ca





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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 01:52:37 -0400
From: "BOB T. LYNCH" <blynch@du.edu>
Subject: Re: photographing origami

beware of one hour processing - I once needed photos just overnight and wound
up paying $41 for three rolls of film! (24 exposures per roll... it can be
VERY pricey!)





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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 03:01:28 -0400
From: "BOB T. LYNCH" <blynch@du.edu>
Subject: "proper" folding

You know - I stated that I generally fold away from myself to be more accurate
but, I think since the discussion has made me more aware of what I am doing, I
find that I fold just about all ways in a more complext project. I am working
on a Yoshino T-Rex Skeleton and I find I fold away from myself, toward myself,
on the table, in the air, using fingernails, looking over the tops of my
glasses (I am terribly nearsighted but I find myself taking them off or looking
over them to do small close-up work... ) and usually with my tongue caught
between my front teeth!

:-)

Dee
blynch@du.edu





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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 04:35:11 -0400
From: vern@iNet.net (Vernon Zehr)
Subject: Origami Fonts(truetype)

Hi to all. Have not been reading list lately. Changed provider at work and
could not access this mailbox. (had 636 messages when I finally checked in)
Been working on HUGE website for client. No origami on it, sorry.
        Anyway, I have been attempting to diagram (when I have time which
is almost never) and I have access to fontographer and was thinking of
developing an origami font. arrows, symbols, anything I find myself using
all the time.(copy and paste just isn't quick enough) before I start this
project maybe someone has already done this. Let me know what you think. I
work on Macintosh but can convert fonts to windows truetype I am pretty
sure.
        -Vern





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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 09:54:23 -0400
From: dzimm@nando.net (David Zimmerman)
Subject: Re: "proper" folding

"> BOB T. LYNCH wrote ..."
>
>
>         (I am terribly nearsighted but I find myself taking them off or
     looking
> over them to do small close-up work... ) and usually with my tongue caught
> between my front teeth!
>
I hear you. I also do close up work without my glasses and I can *not* keep
my tongue in my head when folding paper.

Just finished the tick in my effort to fold the bugs from front to back. The
tick was *much* easier than two spiders that come immediately before it.

--
David P Zimmerman             dzimm@nando.net
916 Riderwood Ct               919 557 7692
WillowSpring NC 27592           D-17293

 "That's the whole problem with science.  You've got a bunch of
   empiricists trying to describe things of unimaginable wonder."
                                      -Calvin





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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 10:44:58 -0400
From: Rjlang@aol.com
Subject: Re: Chinese detainees

>>>>
Mom was somewhat dubious tonight when I told her where I'll be on Monday,
and wondered exactly what the connect was between entering a maximum
security prison and learning origami.
<<<<

Several years ago I taught a series of classes at the euphemistically named
California Institute for Women (which is the state prison where some former
members of the Manson clan, among others, hang out). They were one of the
best audiences I've ever taught. We did all the usual beginner stuff
(kite-base duck, Randlett bird, a few others) and finished the series with
the Cerceda peacock -- which everyone completed successfully.

Robert Lang





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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 10:44:32 -0400
From: Rjlang@aol.com
Subject: Re: Fold away or side-to-side?

Michael Weinstein wrote:

> The Origami/Math Dieties are having epic wars over the proper
> way to fold/teach folding...

Is a "diety" a folder who needs to lose some weight? ;)

> On the other hand, Robert, when teaching a beginner anything one
> usually gives a linear sequence of steps with a minimum of branch
> points (i.e. you say, "do this, and not "well, you can do this
> several different ways").

Michael, we're not talking about giving all possible options in the folding
sequence. We're talking about general tips on folding, which are not usually
given in a "linear sequence." The point of this whole brouhaha is not "what
is the correct direction to fold?" It is, "should a beginner be told
specifically to fold only in a certain way when that way is more awkward and
less accurate for a significant fraction of the readership?" I think not.

Robert





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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 10:48:58 -0400
From: Jim.Hollister@SEMATECH.Org
Subject: Stuck folding Kawasaki rose

     Many thanks to everyone who sent me diagrams for the Kawasaki rose
     described in "Origami for the Connoisseur". I've started working on
     folding one and I've managed to negotiate my way past the twist fold.
     I'm stuck at the following step, step #10 in the diagrams. This is
     where the model changes from flat to "curvilinear". Can anyone give me
     some advice?

     Also, how do I pull on 4 parts of a model at once with only 2 hands?

     P.S. This rose was going to be part of a Valentine's day present to my
     wife but since I'm having trouble with it I used a simpler rose design
     combined with 3 origami leaves, some florist's wire and tape. She was
     very impressed, but then she hasn't seen a picture of the Kawasaki
     rose yet. Maybe for her birthday in June.

     Jim Hollister
     jim.hollister@sematech.org





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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 10:58:17 -0400
From: Triesha@aol.com
Subject: Re: Speaking of books...

In a message dated 96-02-14 23:26:46 EST, you write:

>f you really want to practice your Japanese, I would probably recommend a
>few issues of _Oru_ magazine. Lots of text, probably a lot more than your
>typical Origami book.

hmmm...pray tell where can one pick up a copy of said magazine?

regards,

tree





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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 11:52:50 -0400
From: chall@scsn.net (Carol Hall)
Subject: folding back to front...

How limited we all are!  Are 90 degree angles all we can think of?  Folding
at a 45 degree or 60 degree angle is often the most comfortable way....
Carol Hall





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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 13:09:18 -0400
From: jan_polish@colpal.com
Subject: Re: Fuse's Quilt book.

     I don't have my copy at work, so can't give you precise details - but
     the book is spectacular. The description in The Paper says 48 models
     and variations, but that's a bit misleading, since it counts all the
     modules, not the final quilts. But ... if you can imagine a pieced
     quilt, you see lots of small pieces of fabric cut out and sewn
     together into a pattern. Frequently the pattern is traditional, but
     the quilt maker determines their own color and print combinations to
     create a unique quilt. What Fuse has done in this book is develop
     several quilt-like patterns (my memory says somewhere between 10 and
     20) and the smaller piece-like modules required to build those
     patterns. In addition to the color and print variations that the
     folder can add, Fuse shows several folding variations for some of the
     modules and quilts. Some of the modules work in several quilts, and
     allow for even more variations. There are excellent color photos,
     clear instructions, and Fuse's usual elegant folding sequences.

     Do I sound enthusiastic? Yes, I loved this book. I love most of her
     stuff, but I felt that this whole concept (and execution) was a real
     innovation. It's the kind of thing you could have on a desert island
     (or vacation) and work with for years, never duplicating your results.

     Jan Polish (jan_polish@colpal.com)

______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Fuse's Quilt book.
Author:  origami-l@nstn.ca at internet
Date:    2/14/96 5:24 PM

I just email searched the archive and couldn't find any juicies on Fuse's
Quilts book.  I will probably but it on principal, but I am curious to know
what those of you who already have it think.  Do tell!

-Doug





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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 13:16:08 -0400
From: lin6@cooper.edu (Wally)
Subject: Re: Stuck folding Kawasaki rose

Hi.  Though I've seen the rose in Connoisseur a long time ago, back in
elementary school, I've only seem to have figured out that step last Dec.  I
find it neat that there's so much disscussion about it since I started making
it.

If this is wrong, someone let me know, I'm doing this from memory and don't have
the book.  The one in my library is now a bit worn out.  I'm waiting for a
book sale :)

I've been doing it by partially unpleating the twist.  Leave the center alone
and bend along the "1/8"crease they said to accentuate.  I put my thumb under
the pleat, and "pop" it up where center diag crease and the 1/4 crease meet,
and get a 3-D pocket.   If you now fold along the 1/4 and 1/8creases you
should be able to see the petals forming.

The little "triangle" folds shouldn't give much trouble, the "new crease" is on
the right side (45 degrees from triangle top down to center diag).

hope this helps.

Walter Lin





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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 14:39:41 -0400
From: Jeannine Mosely <j9@concentra.com>
Subject: Re: Chinese detainees

I think Rob is brave to go into the prison after the cautionary
instructions he's been given.  I am grateful that he is willing to do
this research.  But I can't help wondering, why are these refugees
being held in such a place?  What have they done to deserve this?

        -- jeannine mosely





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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 14:45:22 -0400
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: Techniques Day at Convention

Jan,
    First off, thanks for the advance notice!

+     "We're planning something special this year at Origami Convention `96
+     - a full day of sessions on Techniques. On Monday, July 1 we'll have

I am really glad to see this stuff addded!

I am very not-sanguine about the timing.  After two and half days of
convention, plus evening/night/morning folding, plus possibly extra days
before the convention, I was completely wiped out at COET last year.  I
overheard many other COET attendees remarking about their state of near
non-consciousness.  Having this day before the convention has other
advantages... Just think how much more fun it would be to take your own
back-coated tissue-foiled handmade paper into convention classes to fold
with!

I do realize that it is too late to change the plans for this year, but I
strongly urge that the board consider doing something before, rather than
after, next year.

+     I added "photographing origami" based on the current string. We'll
+     definitely do something, maybe several things, but whether it's a
+     class or a workshop will depend on whether someone qualified steps
+     forward to teach.

CoOl!

+     My questions for the list are: What do you think about the concept?
+     Any thoughts or suggestions on logistics and organization? What other
+     techniques should we include? Can you suggest good teachers for the
+     items listed? Any volunteers?

I'll volunteer to be a gadfly!

I won't be able to go early this year, but if there are tasks to be done in
advance which can be farmed out to out-of-towners, I'll consider volunteering
for those!

    -Doug





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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 16:17:10 -0400
From: Maumoy@aol.com
Subject: Alternate Book Sources

Several years ago I found copies of Lang's Origami Animals for $5.99 at T J
Maxx.  I'd never thought of looking for origami books in a clothing store til
then.  I found and purchased a copy of Soong's The Art of Chinese Paper
Folding  by advertising in Antique Week magazine.  Any other unusual sources
for origami books?

I recently discovered that Marshall's is a good place to buy Terra Chips.
 Marshall's (another clothing store!) has  an extensive gourmet foods dept.

Marcia Mau
Maumoy@aol.com





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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 16:37:19 -0400
From: jan_polish@colpal.com
Subject: Brilliant Origami

     OK, I casually said I'd write more about Dave Brill's book, Brilliant
     Origami, if anyone wanted. Someone wanted, so here it is:

     I have to tell you that I haven't folded much from this book yet. I
     just got my copy a couple of days ago. So I can't give you great
     detail about the quality of the diagrams, ease of folding, etc. But
     Dave Brill's models are wonderful, as you will see from the color
     illustrations, and the diagrams seem clear. They are hand-drawn, not
     computer-drawn, so they have an appealing (to me, at least) rough
     character about them.

     I did not have any problems with the few things I've folded so far, so
     I assume the rest of them are OK, too. Most of the geometrics are from
     A4 based paper, and there is a handy page of explanations, sizes, and
     ways to get A4 from other shapes. Most of the other models are from
     square based paper (i.e., square, triangle, 2 x 1). There are some
     interesting helpful hints, suggestions, and discussion about the
     models. They are not rated for complexity, but I'd grade them from
     Intermediate to Complex.

     The book is divided into several sections. Here are some of the 79
     models in the 240-page book:

     Toys and Working Models, including Exhibitionist (not anatomically
     correct), Spectacles and Nut and Bolt

     Boxes and Containers, including Gift Box, Bottle, Yacht, Box and Lid,
     Cigarette Packet and Matchbox

     Modular Origami, including Sunken Silver Cube, Stellated Dodecahedron
     and Double Star Flexicube

     Animals, including Goose, Foxhound, Horseman, Rhinoceros, Lion, Horse
     and Dragon

     Human Figures, including Christmas Tree Fairy, Father Christmas, Three
     Wise Men, Show Jumper, St. George, Geppetto and Pinocchio

     Groups and Scenes, including Ashtray, Reindeer and Square Silver Star

     I hope this helps. If anyone else has seen the book, perhaps they can
     add more.

     Jan Polish (jan_polish@colpal.com)





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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 16:58:54 -0400
From: Brett <BrettAndJill@OIA.Net>
Subject: Demon

I am looking for another source for the diagrams for Jun Maekawa's DEMON,
OTHER than Viva Origami.

Any suggestions Anyone ?

Brett
BrettAndJill@OIA.Net





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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 16:59:43 -0400
From: jan_polish@colpal.com
Subject: Re[2]: Techniques Day at Convention

Doug wrote:

I do realize that it is too late to change the plans for this year, but I
strongly urge that the board consider doing something before, rather than
after, next year.

     Here's my reply ... I agree that having this stuff after rather than
     before isn't ideal. There were a couple of members of the board who
     were snoring during sessions on Monday (I won't mention names). It
     wasn't a whim, however, but necessary based on logistics. Right now we
     spend most of the week prior to convention working like crazy in the
     Home-Office to get everything ready for Saturday and Sunday, which are
     still the main emphasis. Friday is moving day, and we use a gazillion
     volunteers to help us move and set up in time for the Open House
     Friday night. Unfortunately, if we had COET, or Techniques Day, or any
     other event on Friday, many of these same volunteers would be taking
     classes. And shifting everything one day, so we move and set-up on
     Thursday, doesn't work because it would mean we had to pay for our
     main rooms (cafeteria, 8th floor) for an extra day. Plus security.
     That's a lot of money. Also, many of our volunteers aren't available
     until Friday.

     Having these extra days on Monday means that on Sunday night we can
     break up the cafeteria and 8th floor, move most of the stuff back to
     the Museum, and move the few things that we need to a smaller (and
     cheaper) venue for Monday.

     Perhaps someone can come up with a better alternative for next year,
     but for now I guess we'll just have to pace ourselves better. I
     promise I'll nudge you if you start to nod off ... if you'll do the
     same for me!

     Jan Polish (jan_polish@colpal.com)





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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 17:04:34 -0400
From: "David M. Dewey" <dmdewey@yrkpa.kias.com>
Subject: Re: Chinese detainees

The Chinese are being held in the prison because they are basically
illegal aliens from the point of view of the immigration service. I
forget exactly how they got to the U.S, but it was not through the normal
immigration channels. Most of the detainees are claiming they are or will
be victims of political persecution in China. Apparently, they are having
difficulty convincing the immigration service that this is true. They are
being housed/detained in the York County Prison until he issue is
resolved. I believe they are been there a year or two at this point.

                              Dave Dewey

Jeannine Mosely wrote:
>
> I think Rob is brave to go into the prison after the cautionary
> instructions he's been given.  I am grateful that he is willing to do
> this research.  But I can't help wondering, why are these refugees
> being held in such a place?  What have they done to deserve this?
>
>         -- jeannine mosely





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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 17:11:41 -0400
From: Ninety Six Elementary <frick@emeraldis.com>
Subject: Re: "proper" folding

At 09:54 AM 2/15/96 -0400, you wrote:
>"> BOB T. LYNCH wrote ..."
>>
>>
>>         (I am terribly nearsighted but I find myself taking them off or
looking
>> over them to do small close-up work... ) and usually with my tongue caught
>> between my front teeth!
>>
>I hear you. I also do close up work without my glasses and I can *not* keep
>my tongue in my head when folding paper.
>
>Just finished the tick in my effort to fold the bugs from front to back. The
>tick was *much* easier than two spiders that come immediately before it.
>
>--
>David P Zimmerman           dzimm@nando.net
>916 Riderwood Ct             919 557 7692
>WillowSpring NC 27592           D-17293
>
> "That's the whole problem with science.  You've got a bunch of
>   empiricists trying to describe things of unimaginable wonder."
>                                -Calvin
>
>Maybe you can give me a suggestion..  I got the tick folded except for the
every last lock and then my feeble brain shut down and I can not seem to get
that one last fold to look right.  Is it possible to help people figure out
how to complete origami over E-mail?  Thanks  Marsha DuPre





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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 17:15:49 -0400
From: Ninety Six Elementary <frick@emeraldis.com>
Subject: Re: Speaking of books...

At 10:58 AM 2/15/96 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 96-02-14 23:26:46 EST, you write:
>
>>f you really want to practice your Japanese, I would probably recommend a
>>few issues of _Oru_ magazine. Lots of text, probably a lot more than your
>>typical Origami book.
>
>hmmm...pray tell where can one pick up a copy of said magazine?
>
>regards,
>
>tree
>Kinokunya bookstore near Rockerfeller Center in NYC will send you a copy if
they have one in stock.  It's sporadic.  I think there are now 9 or 10
magazines.  Cost runs about 40 - 45 dollars including postage.  There is
lots of Japanese to read!  Marsha DuPre





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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 18:01:59 -0400
From: Jennifer Andre <JAndre@cfipro.com>
Subject: Where's the pretty paper?

     Greetings, all!

     Could anyone please tell me the grand secret to obtaining paper that
     even comes close to the beautiful material used by the pros for their
     origami book examples?  Maybe I'm exhibiting unbridled hubris, but I'd
     like a shot at making some really nice gifts.

     Thanks!

     Jennifer (JAndre@cfipro.com)





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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 20:18:30 -0400
From: DBSH47B@prodigy.com (MRS. JANET J HAMILTON)
Subject: Re: Some random thoughts...

-- [ From: Janet Hamilton * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --

> > I have developed a couple of models of my own - a seal pup, and a
flat
> > christmas cracker (Has anyone else done a cracker?).  I will draw
the
> > diagrams for them soon, scan them in, and email them to anyone who
is
> > interested.

I am interested in these diagrams, too.  Sorry for replying to the
whole list on this, but I didn't get the originator's address.

Janet Hamilton
dbsh47b@prodigy.com





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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 20:51:10 -0400
From: "Jeffrey M. Goff" <jgoff@esu6.esu6.k12.ne.us>
Subject: OUSA '96 question

When and where will it be held this year?
I've got to make vacation plans early this year, so I thought I'd check in.
My understanding is that it's going to be held in New York sometime in
August.

I just sent in my membership check last week, but I'd like a little
advance notice. That and I'm going to ttry to catch _Phantom_ while I'm
out there.

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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 21:44:40 -0400
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Christmas Crackers

For those who don't speak the dialect(s) of English
in use on the East side of the Big Pond:
As I recall, a "Christmas Cracker" is a small paper "fireworks"
device traditionally used in Britain at Christmastime.
In the USA they used to be common at birthday parties,
though less commonly now. The "explosion" ("POP") is provided
by something similar to a cap gun charge, and they're often
called "poppers" on the west side of the Atlantic...
--valerie





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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 22:35:07 -0400
From: LapinPub@aol.com
Subject: Jeremy Shafer???

Does anyone out there have a number where I can reach Jeremy Shafer?  EIther
him or his parents or e-mail or anything?  I've got an old address but have
not been able to get in touch with him that way...

Please post me privately at "LapinPub@aol.com"

Thanks, J.C. Nolan (LapinPub@aol.com)
