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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 01:23:19 -0400
From: Namir Gharaibeh <U50879@UICVM.CC.UIC.EDU>
Subject: Origami brooches.

Hey all.  Has anyone tryed making origami brooches?  I read somewhere
(an old book "Modern Origami" I think) that it's possible to make
a model and then like, shellac it or something, to make it longer
lasting or even permanent.  Glue it to a pin-viola: brooch.  Has anyone
tryed this?  Specifically, if so, what did you use.  Even more
specifically if you did and live in Chicago, where did you get it?
( I know I'm reaching, any info is helpful)  This is an attempt to
justify long hours folding, when I could be spending quality time
with my fiancee.  :)

                                              Namir G.





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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 01:39:22 -0400
From: Laurie Bisman <lbisman@sirranet.co.nz>
Subject: RE: Fold away or side-to-side?

I also don't agree with Paul (is that correct english as she's spoke!)
I always have folded away from my body, and after trying Pauls side-to-side
method, find it is very awkward.

I suppose it's a little like tell someone the correct way to hold the cup
you're drinking tea from. Some people hold out their little finger and
others don't.

(I don't)

Laurie Bisman.
lbisman@sirranet.co.nz





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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 05:58:15 -0400
From: Nick Robinson <Nick@homelink.demon.co.uk>
Subject: in the air...

>            And the reason Yoshizawa in his lessons
>            in Tokyo gives for folding in the air and
>                not by pressing on the table as children
>            often do, is that the fold will be more
>            accurate, the ends are defined and the
>            fold joining the two will form accurately.

It certainly *looks* more impressive in the air, but I really wouldn't offer
it as an option to any other than experienced folders, since it is MUCH
harder to be accurate. Yoshizawa has had a few years to master the technique
;)

Nick Robinson





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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 06:37:54 -0400
From: Laurie Bisman <lbisman@sirranet.co.nz>
Subject: RE: in the air...

Yes, I agree, but those of you who have taught to groups will no doubt have
had to not only fold in the air, but do it backwards because you hold the
paper in front of your body, but make the folds away from you, so that the
audience can follow what you are doing.

You get pretty good at doing things in a "kackhanded" way - at least things
like birdbases and so forth that you fold a lot.

----------
From:   Nick Robinson[SMTP:Nick@homelink.demon.co.uk]
Sent:   Monday, 12 February 1996 11:00
To:     Multiple recipients of list
Subject:        in the air...

>            And the reason Yoshizawa in his lessons
>            in Tokyo gives for folding in the air and
>                not by pressing on the table as children
>            often do, is that the fold will be more
>            accurate, the ends are defined and the
>            fold joining the two will form accurately.

It certainly *looks* more impressive in the air, but I really wouldn't
offer
it as an option to any other than experienced folders, since it is MUCH
harder to be accurate. Yoshizawa has had a few years to master the
technique
;)

Nick Robinson





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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 07:48:16 -0400
From: Paul Leclerc <pleclerc@wsj.dowjones.com>
Subject: Re: Book recommendations

At 04:17 PM 2/11/96 -0400, VAnn Cornelius wrote:
>WOW!, I'm impressed by your library service.  Are you saying that these
>were actually on the shelf or listed in the general collection?

I used our dialin card catalog to search for origami books.  I did not
check the status of any of the books though.  Even if it does take weeks
to get a book, it's unlikely that I'll go through one book in a week or
two.  So, if I place my "order" now and stagger additional books later,
I'll have a constantly flow of books for some time now!

Paul Leclerc
---
Paul Leclerc       http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/pel/
Dow Jones & Co., Inc.   pleclerc@wsj.dowjones.com
Voice: (609) 520-7253   Fax: (609) 520-4655





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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 08:37:50 -0400
From: "M.J.van.Gelder" <M.J.van.Gelder@rc.rug.nl>
Subject: Re: Fold away or side-to-side?

m> So, for the record, did Yoshizawa fold away from his body, side-to-side
m> or...? Just curious.

Yoshizawa was at the convention in Toulouse. When he gave a class he folded
one of his models. He did that ON THE TABLE and not in the air. And as far as
I can remember he folded away from his body.

I fold always away from my body. When you try and do it in another way, you
are pretty sure your hands cover (at least partially) the fold you are making.

Maarten van Gelder,           Rekencentrum RuG,  RijksUniversiteit Groningen
M.J.van.Gelder@rc.rug.nl                         Nederland





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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 09:04:17 -0400
From: "David M. Dewey" <dmdewey@yrkpa.kias.COM>
Subject: Re: Chinese triangle modules

At least some of these models were made by the Chinese interned
at the York County, PA prison which is near where I live. Many of the
models were initially given in appreciation to those that have helped
them in their plight. Now these models have gotten a life of their own
with museum visits, etc. Given the local interest, there have been
articles about the models in the local papers. However, I don't remember
many of the details. It seems to me that the basic module may be
traditional, but the extension to elaborate models was something
developed by the inmate/potential immigrants themselves. If there is a
desire, I could do some research and provide more detail.

                                 Dave Dewey

Valerie Vann wrote:
>
> Back in Nov. 95, Raymond Koc wrote about seeing some
> modules in Hong Kong & China, modular, sort of
> triangular in shape. "the units were put together in
> shapes of pineapples, ships, and even baskets." He
> wondered if anyone had seen the module published anywhere.
>
> Appartently no one had, but I was just weeding out the
> printouts of past list traffic, and something clicked.
> The winter 95 issue of the OUSA magazine had an article
> on p. 9 about paper objects made from 1000s of modules
> folded by Chinese who are interned pending deportation
> proceedings. These people were from the June 1993 ship of
> illegal immigrants, The Golden Venture. One man started
> folding, taught others, and the objects include "vases,
> eagles, pineapples, bowls and baskets." The article shows
> vases, and an eagle with head and legs apparently of paper
> mache and the wings and tail of the multicolored modules.
>
> I wonder if this could be what Raymond saw? And whether
> the modules are glued together or the projects are glueless?
> Also, I wonder if the module is not then original to the
> refugees, but some older Chinese craft or origami variation?
>
> Does anyone from the NY area know more about this? or has
> seen the exhibit at the Miele Gallery? Some of the objects
> have 1000-4000 modules.
>
> --valerie
> Compuserve: Valerie Vann 75070,304
> Internet: 75070.304@compuserve.com





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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 09:24:52 -0400
From: kkinney@med.unc.edu (Kevin Kinney)
Subject: Re: Dead Folds

>
> I know what you all mean about folding on something for an hour and then
     having
> what is verey plain for you to see be totally lost on the first person you
> show it to - usually my spouse. He has learned to look at them very carefully,
> then try to see what book I am working out fo and then he very carefully says,
> "Pig?" or "dinosaur?"  He can never quite get the question out of his voice
> though - whichm in certain moods can be very annoying!!! ;-)
>
> Dee
>
That's why, when I'm folding a toughie (currently, that means various
arthropods a la Lang), I make a point of muttering and chanting the
name.(Ladybug, Ladybug, %$@ [crumpled paper]...Ladybug, Ladybug).  Don't
think it "magically makes the model tun out more accurate, but at least
Donna has been given a "hint" as to what her answer should be!

Kevin Kinney
kkinney@med.unc.edu





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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 09:59:17 -0400
From: JRMetzger@aol.com
Subject: Re: Book suppliers

In a message dated 96-02-09 00:43:17 EST, you write:

>     and paper.  I can't say much about the paper, but I have plenty to say
>     about where we get our books.  (I'm climing onto my soap box now...)

>     of these stores).  However, they're driving honest, hardworking people
>     out of business.
>

Are you saying there are no honest, hardworking people who work in
mega-stores? Come on now!

Yaacov

BTW, we heard you the first time...





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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 10:19:53 -0400
From: plank@cs.utk.edu
Subject: Rona's book

Hi -- this message is mainly for Rona Gurkewitz.  Rona, has your
book been published yet, and if so, can you give us all info on how
we can get it?  I've been looking forward to seeing it!

Thanks,

Jim
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jim Plank
plank@cs.utk.edu
http://www.cs.utk.edu/~plank

Assistant Professor
Department of Computer Science
University of Tennessee
107 Ayres Hall
Knoxville, TN 37996





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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 11:50:54 -0400
From: chall@scsn.net (Carol Hall)
Subject: Re: Book suppliers

>In a message dated 96-02-09 00:43:17 EST, you write:
>
>>     and paper.  I can't say much about the paper, but I have plenty to say
>>     about where we get our books.  (I'm climing onto my soap box now...)
>
>>     of these stores).  However, they're driving honest, hardworking people
>>     out of business.
>>
>
>Are you saying there are no honest, hardworking people who work in
>mega-stores? Come on now!

It's not a matter of who works there; it's a matter of who owns the store
and what their business philosophy is.  I'll stop now.
Carol Hall





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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 11:57:43 -0400
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: Rona's book

In message <199602121417.JAA29260@plank.cs.utk.edu> you wrote:
+Hi -- this message is mainly for Rona Gurkewitz.  Rona, has your
+book been published yet, and if so, can you give us all info on how
+we can get it?  I've been looking forward to seeing it!
+
+Jim

Jim writes asking about Rona's book.  You can get it from Dover Publications
(write to: Dover Publications, Inc., 31 East 2nd Street, Mineola, NY 11501)
as I did.  I ordered it when I first saw it in their catalog.  It was back
ordered, but my copy arrived on Friday.  I haven't had a chance to do
anything but browse through it so far.

-Doug





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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 12:24:50 -0400
From: hull@hypatia.math.uri.edu
Subject: Re: Fold away or side-to-side?

Hey kids!  Robert "origami techno-god" Lang wrote:

> Different people fold different ways, and these edicts
> should be treated as suggestions...

        While I agree wholeheartedly, I think the real point
is being missed.  I see this as largely a *pedagogical* (sp???)
question.
        Those Paul Jackson books that I've seen which say "fold
from left-to-right, not away from you" make such edicts in the
*beginner's* section - that is, the part of the book which is
supposed to aid the beginner through the difficulties of learning
origami via a book.  Now, there are many ways to teach origami
in whatever way feels most comfortable" approach.  BUT I
personally feel that most people who are learning origami for
the first time will do better if you tell them specifically
what to do.  Later, after they have more experience you can
say, "Notice the many different ways in which we can fold the
paper.  Experiment and see which way is the most accurate for
you."  Once the folder has some practice they can make
personal decisions about their folding style more easily.
        Thus, I agree with Paul Jackson's choice of pedagogy.
You ask the beginner to fold in a specific way in hopes that
this will make their life easier.  It doesn't mean that
*everyone* has to fold this way all the time!  I see
it at merely a teaching technique.  (Although I could be wrong,
yet Paul Jackson isn't here to defend himself, so I must be right!)

---------- Tom "happy happy happy ... not!" Hull





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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 13:50:17 -0400
From: slider@ims.mariposa.ca.us (Pat Slider)
Subject: Re: Origami brooches.

>Hey all.  Has anyone tryed making origami brooches?

There are instructions for making pins and diagrams for a corsage in Gay
Merrill Gross's "The Origami Workshop"....Haven't tried it myself though.

pat slider.





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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 13:53:44 -0400
From: Jeannine Mosely <j9@concentra.com>
Subject: Re: Rona's book

Rona's book is definitely out.  I bought my copy last week at
Wordsworth in Harvard Square.  Ask your local bookstore to order it
for you, if they don't carry it.  It looks good, but I haven't had a
chance to make anything from it yet.

        -- jeannine mosely





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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 13:56:37 -0400
From: unhinged@yrkpa.kias.com
Subject: Re: Origami Archive index

I was considering sorting the archives and doing a topical index based on
information that I feel is useful to folders, e.g. categorical advice
people presented on various subjects like 'wet folding' and 'paper
sources' and 'help with step 10,344 of Lang's working ecosphere out of
10" Kami'.  I realize the archives are indexed by message sender and
subject, but did not know if such an index existed for strict topics.

Would anyone like to join me on this venture or provide advice on how to
proceed?  I have the archives downloaded onto an Iomega ZIP disk.

Rob





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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 13:59:30 -0400
From: unhinged@yrkpa.kias.com
Subject: Re: Dead Folds

Dead origami can make great social statements about societal decay- my
favorite use of old folds is in dioramas like-

"Underfunded Zoo in depressed abandoned urban area"  featuring lame
horses, three-legged squirrels and a roach circus.

On Sat, 10 Feb 1996, Nick Robinson wrote:

> > I've found that if it's at least a halfway decent fold of a
> > Lang insect, a cat will love it.  Give it a whirl, and the cat takes
> > over.
>
> I use old cuckoo clocks to plug the holes in the plaster in our bathroom...
>
> Anyone else got any exciting tips for dead origami?
>
> Nick Robinson





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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 14:02:25 -0400
From: unhinged@yrkpa.kias.com
Subject: Re: Dead Folds

I made a Neale dragon for a waitress in a restaurant once, very
meticulously folded and crimped.  When she saw it, she said, "is that sum
kinda dina'sore or sometin'?"

I don't remember what happened next, but a friend along for the meal insists
that I asked her, "have you ever seen a dinosaur with wings?" and
haughtily snatched it back.

On Sat, 10 Feb 1996, BOB T. LYNCH wrote:

> I know what you all mean about folding on something for an hour and then
     having
> what is verey plain for you to see be totally lost on the first person you
> show it to - usually my spouse. He has learned to look at them very carefully,
> then try to see what book I am working out fo and then he very carefully says,
> "Pig?" or "dinosaur?"  He can never quite get the question out of his voice
> though - whichm in certain moods can be very annoying!!! ;-)
>
> Dee





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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 14:05:18 -0400
From: unhinged@yrkpa.kias.com
Subject: Re: Chinese triangle modules

I think the immigrants are 'interned' at the prison about 3 miles away
from my house in York, PA.  Wonder if the guards would let me sneak in
for origami lessons?

Rob

On Mon, 12 Feb 1996, Valerie Vann wrote:

> Back in Nov. 95, Raymond Koc wrote about seeing some
> modules in Hong Kong & China, modular, sort of
> triangular in shape. "the units were put together in
> shapes of pineapples, ships, and even baskets." He
> wondered if anyone had seen the module published anywhere.
>
> Appartently no one had, but I was just weeding out the
> printouts of past list traffic, and something clicked.
> The winter 95 issue of the OUSA magazine had an article
> on p. 9 about paper objects made from 1000s of modules
> folded by Chinese who are interned pending deportation
> proceedings. These people were from the June 1993 ship of
> illegal immigrants, The Golden Venture. One man started
> folding, taught others, and the objects include "vases,
> eagles, pineapples, bowls and baskets." The article shows
> vases, and an eagle with head and legs apparently of paper
> mache and the wings and tail of the multicolored modules.
>
> I wonder if this could be what Raymond saw? And whether
> the modules are glued together or the projects are glueless?
> Also, I wonder if the module is not then original to the
> refugees, but some older Chinese craft or origami variation?
>
> Does anyone from the NY area know more about this? or has
> seen the exhibit at the Miele Gallery? Some of the objects
> have 1000-4000 modules.
>
> --valerie
> Compuserve: Valerie Vann 75070,304
> Internet: 75070.304@compuserve.com





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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 15:07:40 -0400
From: Jeannine Mosely <j9@concentra.com>
Subject: Re: Chinese triangle modules

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   I think the immigrants are 'interned' at the prison about 3 miles away
   from my house in York, PA.  Wonder if the guards would let me sneak in
   for origami lessons?

   Rob

I believe that virtually all prisoners are entitled to have visitors.
Go for it!  (And tell us about it.)

        -- jeannine mosely





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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 15:10:49 -0400
From: vann@tredgar.cardiff.com (VAnn Cornelius)
Subject: An Idea

Hello, Robert,
How is your CD coming?

Thanks also for your fun comment "You Shall Treat Edicts As Suggestions!"
You have a great sense of humor.

Vicky Mihara and I are discussing having some type of
West Coast Origami conference.  The timing seems right.
We are thinking about 1997.  She has mentioned that
we might be able to arrange to use the Japanese Culture
Center in Japan Town.  There are several  hotels in
the area. The question is:  Are you interested in
being involved as a presenter in any capacity?  Do you
have any formats that you like?  Do you have any wishes
or thoughts on the subject?

The Origami USA board has said that they will entertain
a proposal requesting front money to enable such an event.

I'll be visiting my son in Pleasant Hills March 9-10.
Vicky and I want to meet to get some pieces of the
proposal worked out.

It would be great to do something like what Toshi did
for you in Toronto.  It would also seem great to
include Peter, Jeremy and Chris.

I hope this is interesting to you.

V'Ann
vann@cardiff.com





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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 15:13:45 -0400
From: jmarcoli@stratacom.com (John Marcolina)
Subject: Re: Re: Origami Archive index

Rob writes:

I was considering sorting the archives and doing a topical index based on
information that I feel is useful to folders, e.g. categorical advice
people presented on various subjects like 'wet folding' and 'paper
sources' and 'help with step 10,344 of Lang's working ecosphere out of
10" Kami'. (snip)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
     -------------
Boy, you're good! I only made it to step 857, and I was using 13" kami ;).

John Marcolina
jmarcolina@strata.com





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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 15:20:07 -0400
From: John Smith <jon.pure@paston.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Kawasaki rose mystery

>
> Hello origamigos...
>
> Some time ego someone posted a massage saying that the Kawasaki rose
> from 'origami for the connoisseur' was actually not made by Toshikazu
> Kawasaki, and that when Kawasaki saw it, he didn't know who created it.
> The original Kawasaki rose is supposed to be much more complex.
> Can someone solve the mystery?
> - Is this true?
> - If it is, who created the rose from the connoisseur?
> - And where does the rose made by Kawasaki apear?
>
> Thank you!
> Oded Streigold  ( benjic@netvision.net.il )

I think you may be referrring to my comments on the Famous Kawaski rose.
I will repeat tell you what I know and this clears up a little of the mystery.

In Nov. 1991 I was invited to the CDO (Italian) 9th convention at Citta Di
Castello near Florence. Mr and Mrs. Kawasaki attended and he taught his
complex rose. I say complex because I know of a simpler version which I was
assured was also by Kawasaki. We asked him about the rose in Origami for the
Connoisseur and he replied that he did not recognise it as his. Certainly
the rose he taught was nothing like the one in that book. I don't know where
Kasahara got that rose from, but I suspect that he had a version of a
Kawaski rose and worked out a method of folding it.

I first saw the complex rose in Ferrara in 1989 which Mr. Kawasaki attended.
I thought it the best rose I had ever seen and determined to find out how to
fold it. In Nov. 1991 I learnt some of the method but not enough to be sure
of success. However I later went to Germany and spent some time with Silke
Schroeder who had been taught the method by Kawasaki. Silke is a great
folder and a fine teacher and I was able to record the full method. I then
spent a long time drawing up notes and diagrams and then checked them with
Silke to ensure accuracy.  I should mention that I was given a original rose
by Mr. Kawasaki at the 1991 COET in the UK. This means that I have been able
to check that my result is correct. Also Silke sent my wife three superbly
folded roses as a gift and I was able to check these against my diagrams and
my precious original.

The Kawasaki method requires prefolding the paper into a pattern of 16 by 16
squares set at 70 degrees to the edge of the paper. The usual Fujimoto twist
is then made in the centre. The rose is the formed by wrapping special folds
in a similar way to that shown by Kasahara. Now four 3D sinks have to be
made, these cannot be flattened and must be made around the rose shape. Then
follows a clever series of moves to make a box which locks the base of the
rose.

I have not copied my diagrams to anyone as I have not requested or received
permission from Mr. Kawasaki. Perhaps someone may be able to get permission
for the official version to be taught at OUSA convention, I am sure it would
be a star attraction.

Sorry this is so long but it may help  regards John.

John Smith
Norwich
England
e-mail  jon.pure@paston.co.uk





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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 15:32:47 -0400
From: Jennifer Andre <JAndre@cfipro.com>
Subject: Origami Brooches (response)

     I'm wading (no pun intended...I'm in Portland, Oregon, where we've had
     quite a bit of troubles with flooding since last week) through about a
     billion e-mail messages, so if someone else has already responded to
     this, please accept my apologies for not reading it before writing...

     Namir G., you have absolutely every justification for spending those
     long hours folding!  Brooches?  Been there, done that...without a book
     to guide me.  It rather gave me a child's openness to the experience.

     -  Fold smallish models.

     -  Glaze with clear nail polish (get the cheapest you can find!),
     hairspray, clear spray-paint lacquer stuff (smells awful!), that
     spray-on coating for protecting drawings or paintings, or any other
     method you can find.  I find that foil and "aurora" style papers don't
     respond to any glazing, so I don't worry about it.

     -  Pin backs:  Buy at a craft store.  I like the kind that come with
     adhesive backing already on them.  You peel off the paper backing,
     then smoosh it onto your model.  ("Smoosh" is a scientific term, you
     understand...)

     -  More difficult pin backs:  These come in several lengths, but,
     alas, they have no adhesive of their own.  The best way to get them to
     stick is to use a glue gun (something fancier than I have yet to use).

     -  Other stuff:  If you want to glue on a decorative bead or two (or
     more), use a glue that becomes clear when it dries.  (The craft store
     people can help you.)

     When I've done a goldfish brooch (from Isao Honda's "World of Origami"
     goldfish model), I've put on a single tiny gold (okay, gold *colored*)
     bead on for an eye, and covered the model with cheap clear nail polish
     that has glitter already in it.  (Unfortunately, despite all the
     obvious signs, such as orange paper, glittery coating, and an eye, my
     goldfish brooch has been mistaken for a bear.  So much for worrying
     about accurate representations!)

     I've also done an owl, a heart, and, while it's still in "prototype"
     stages, an angel.  They make great gifts, especially when I tell
     people I'm product testing and not to worry about wearing them out too
     soon.  (This way I can stay in practice...)

     Please tell me if any of this helps!  You're sweet to want to share
     the joys of folding (or at least the *results*) with your fiancee!
     :-)

      - Jennifer (JAndre@cfipro.com)

     "Let's look it up!"  -- my great-grandmother, my grandmother, and my
     mother





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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 15:40:55 -0400
From: Jeannine Mosely <j9@concentra.com>
Subject: Re: Dead Folds

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   I made a Neale dragon for a waitress in a restaurant once, very
   meticulously folded and crimped.  When she saw it, she said, "is that sum
   kinda dina'sore or sometin'?"

   I don't remember what happened next, but a friend along for the meal insists
   that I asked her, "have you ever seen a dinosaur with wings?" and
   haughtily snatched it back.

   On Sat, 10 Feb 1996, BOB T. LYNCH wrote:

   > I know what you all mean about folding on something for an hour and then
     having
   > what is verey plain for you to see be totally lost on the first person you
   > show it to - usually my spouse. He has learned to look at them very
     carefully,
   > then try to see what book I am working out fo and then he very carefully
     says,
   > "Pig?" or "dinosaur?"  He can never quite get the question out of his voice
   > though - whichm in certain moods can be very annoying!!! ;-)
   >
   > Dee
   >
   >

Ah!  Now I understand why Dee's husband confuses pigs with dinosaurs.
They both have wings.

        -- jeannine mosely





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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 16:14:34 -0400
From: "Andrew P. Anselmo" <anselmo@ERXSG.rl.plh.af.mil>
Subject: folding in the air... another reason

Another reason I like to fold in the air is that sometimes,
a hard, clean, and dry surface is unavailable (i.e. when in
a bar, on a train, waiting for someone on a streetcorner, on
the bus)  Folding in the air keeps me in practice.

A.

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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 17:40:18 -0400
From: Namir Gharaibeh <U50879@UICVM.CC.UIC.EDU>
Subject: Rona's Book

As I timidly raise my hand to ask a question: What is this book by Rona
that everyone is raving about?
        Don't yell at me, please...
                                    Namir G.





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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 17:54:29 -0400
From: GURKEWITZ@WCSUB.CTSTATEU.EDU
Subject: Re: Rona's book

I'm glad people are still interested in the book. It seems like it's been
forever getting out.
Doug got the book from Dover. When I called them they said that individual
retail orders needed $4 for shipping and handling and 8.25% sales tax if
the order was going to NYC. The address is Dover Publications, 31 E 2nd St,
Minneola, NY 11501.

The book price is $6.95.

If you want, you can order it from me and include just $1.25 for fourth
class postage or $2.50 for first class postage.

The book we're talking about is "3D Geometric Origami: Modular Polyhedra"
by Rona Gurkewitz and Bennett Arnstein.

My snail address is: 47 Mountainview Drive, Brookfield, Ct 06804.

Rona
gurkewitz@wcsu.ctstateu.edu





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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 17:56:07 -0400
From: "Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy)" <sychen@ENH.NIST.GOV>
Subject: Re: Origami Archive index

At 01:59 PM 2/12/96 -0400, you wrote:
>
>I was considering sorting the archives and doing a topical index based on
>information that I feel is useful to folders, e.g. categorical advice
>people presented on various subjects like 'wet folding' and 'paper
>sources' and 'help with step 10,344 of Lang's working ecosphere out of
>10" Kami'.  I realize the archives are indexed by message sender and
>subject, but did not know if such an index existed for strict topics.
>
>Would anyone like to join me on this venture or provide advice on how to
>proceed?  I have the archives downloaded onto an Iomega ZIP disk.
>
>Rob
>
>

To Rob or whoever is interested:

Alex Bateman have implemented a single keyword search to origami-list
archives. Have a look of his page:
http://alf2.mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk:1500/origami.html. The search includes main
mail text. It should not be that hard to add multiple keyword search in Alex
Bateman's page. Is this what you want? Maybe Alex has some comments on this.
While the origami@ftp.rug.nl mail server only search keyword in subject.
You will miss those mails without proper subjects. Does the search engine
maintained by mail listmanager or ...? Any comment? Maarten van Gelder?

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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 18:03:53 -0400
From: casida@ere.umontreal.ca (Casida Mark)
Subject: Re: Rona's book

Can we talk any of the lucky owners into a book review?
(Hint.  Hint.)

                              ... Mark
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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 19:17:20 -0400
From: Gretchen Klotz <gren@agora.rdrop.com>
Subject: Re: Re: recognition of origami models

On Sun, 11 Feb 1996, Bob Nienhuis wrote:

> It has been my experience that young children recognize the model
> instantly, but the adults have a bit more trouble.

This is not too surprising, if you consider the illustrations in most
books for children.  I spend a lot of time with a very literary
29-month-old, and am continually amazed at his ability to recognize
extremely different renderings of, say, bears.  Sometimes I think it's a
cat (or dog or pig), and it's only after he corrects me that I recognize
it as a bear.  Something about capturing the essence or expressing the
gestalt...  Obviously an ability that many of us lose as we grow older. ;-)

- Gretchen

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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 19:44:27 -0400
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: Book suppliers

A long time ago, in a message far far away,
    Jennifer Andre <JAndre@cfipro.com> wrote:

+     I use the big, nice, tempting mega-bookstore-thing that's moved into
+     my neighborhood as a great big ISBN catalog.  It's nice to be able to
+     see the actual book, but then to buy it, I take my business to an
+     independent bookshop, where they've gotten to know me and my book
+     desires.

I find this very interesting.  Without getting off subject too much, let me
add that you might be able to get the smaller store to carry more origami
books "in stock" if you put on some demonstrations and exhibits with them.
For example, the Origami Club of Pittsburgh University Chapter (OCoPUC) has
done several exhibits at a local store, "The Bookworm," and as a result of
the last one the store had to take some books out of the display to sell!
They now carry a larger selection of origami books.

(To give proper credit:  Mark Kantrowitz has been the driving and organizing
person on behalf of OCoP and the proprietor of the Bookworm has been very
interested, and helpful).

So, the moral is, you can make a difference for both yourself and your local
bookstore by investing some time, effort, _and_ fun, into an exhibit and/or
demonstration.

You could achieve the same affect with a "ISBN catalog" store too.  My point
isn't really to take sides here, but to show that you can make a difference
either way -- and have a great time too!

-Doug "Pre-creases!?!?  Fold it again!" Philips





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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 19:49:35 -0400
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: photographing origami

+I have a drawer full of BAD, failed photos of models (now trying to think of
+what - and how - to turn them into something useful)

You don't want to try to fold them?   You might be able to adapt Mosley's
Business Card folds, depending on the shape of your prints. ;-)

+For those of you who have the expertise -- maybe a session at the convention
+of photo tips, preferably aimed at those of us who don't have lots of
+special equipment. (I have a couple of point and shoot cameras and a dining
+room table... Is there any hope without extra expense?)

That is a great idea!

I fear that a point and shoot is not going to produce the kind of photos you
want.  It was the results from my P&S camera at last year's convention that
spurred me into getting a "good camera" with a macro (closeup) lens.  For
"most" origami models you just can't get close enough to the model to get
reasonable detail.

Still, I think a photographing origami session would be great.  I'd be the
second sign up (after Carol!)...

-Doug





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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 19:54:30 -0400
From: dersh@forum.swarthmore.edu (Melissa Dershewitz)
Subject: Announcing the Math Forum

Hello origami folks!

As a long-time lurker on origami-l, I wish to invite you all (and
especially those of you who enjoy math) to check out the new and improved
Math Forum web site, which I've been helping to build.  It's at:

http://forum.swarthmore.edu/

Searching our site with the key word "origami" will give you an annotated
list of links to origami web sites, as well as some archived discussions of
math/origami from the geometry newsgroups hosted by the Forum.  Have fun
with it - and if you have an URL or two for math-related origami material
that you'd like to have added to our Internet Resource Collection, please
write to me.

The mastermind of the Math Forum is Prof. Gene Klotz, who just happens to
be Gretchen's dad.

Enjoy!

Melissa

Here's our official press release:

____________________________________________________________________________
The Geometry Forum is now ... THE MATH FORUM:

                 A Virtual Center for Math Education on the Internet

Are you interested in math education, or any other aspect of mathematics?
Wouldn't it be nice if there were a single place on the Web that was
designed just for you?  A place where you could not only find anything
you're looking for, but also where you'd be part of a growing and important
community of people like yourself.  Well, you've got it!  The Math Forum
aims to provide a one-stop center for teachers, students, researchers,
parents, and mathematicians at all levels.  The Math Forum offers:

 - Expanded support of the best Geometry Forum features: Ask Dr. Math, Geometry
   Problem of the Week and Project of the Month, Internet Geometry Hunt, etc.

 - A comprehensive, fully searchable and annotated collection of Internet
   math sites.

 - The best math resources organized by role, by topic, and by level.

 - Public forums for discussing math and math education: newsgroups, mailing
   lists and Web-based discussions.

 - Math materials that implement new pedagogy and take advantage of the
   Internet's latest technology.

 - Extensive sections devoted to math education and key issues of interest
   to the mathematics community.





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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 20:40:06 -0400
From: PamGotcher@aol.com
Subject: Re: Dead Folds

In a message dated 96-02-12 14:46:35 EST, you write:

>
>Ah!  Now I understand why Dee's husband confuses pigs with dinosaurs.
>They both have wings.
>
>       -- jeannine mosely
>
>

Particularly if they were designed by Joseph Wu ;^)

Pam Gotcher





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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 20:48:25 -0400
From: Richard Kennedy <KENNEDRA@ibm3090.bham.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Dead Dinos...

At the last BOS convention, Yoshino-san showed not only the T-Rex
skeleton, but 2 (or 3?) others. Sorry, I can't recall the names, but they
were every bit as good as the T-Rex.

Richard K.





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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 21:12:24 -0400
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: Re: Origami brooches.2

Check Origami USA at Museum of Nat. History in NYC.  I think they sell a book
by Mark Kennedy about coating jewelry.   .  Send self addressed stamped
envelope for their book and supplies  list.  You could join OUSA, get their
newsletter and know what is going on in the Origami world.....Many, many
people are making beautiful jewelry.
good luck, Dorigami.





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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 21:14:04 -0400
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: Re: Chinese triangle modules

Yes, yes, yes, do some research.....See if you can get 1 unit of the modulars
and perhaps you can share it with us...Sounds absolutely fascinating!
 Dorigami





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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 23:01:20 -0400
From: altj@cix.compulink.co.UK (Al Jardes)
Subject: Re: Origami brooches.
yes, thousands (or so it seems).

At the 25 BOS conference, Mark Kennedy, I believe, sent along oodles =
of=20
broaches and my flabber was gasted by the sheer amount of work that=
=20
went into them; the complexity of the models, the nicely dyed PBF and=
=20
the fact that it just didn't break (through usual handling).

If your gaff is anything like mine, there are thousands of bits of pa=
per=20
and models everywhere, so I had a think, had a big practise at foldin=
g=20
miniature (and ultra miniature), had a go at dyeing lots of paper, th=
en=20
letting the paper decide the model.=20

For paper, I used PBF, washi, maxfield and bog standard paper. I trie=
d=20
several inks and dyes and settled on Winsor and Newton inks and found=
=20
that PBF and washi work best and produce better effects. The other pa=
per=20
which works out rilly nice is the backing paper, usually pastel, that=
=20
you get with some tr=E9s expensive hand printed papers.

I found (after much trial and error) an agent to make the critters mo=
re=20
'permanent' I settled on a mixture of epoxy resin and acetone in the=
=20
ratio of 1:1 or 4:3. By all means DO IT ONLY ON DRY DAYS as moisture =
in=20
the air affects the quality of the epoxy.

Some of the effects are rilly nifty, differences in light, difference=
s=20
in the density of ink, how translucent the paper may become and it le=
nds=20
a new meaning to the term 'wet folding' when wet becomes epoxy which =
is=20
going off while the model sets. Now, try keeping your finger prints o=
ut=20
of/off of that. :-) Usually have to throw the lodger out for the week=
end=20
as it is a 3 day job which occupies all of the kitchen and most of th=
e=20
conserveratory.=20

Backing are easily done for broaches afterward with 5 minute epoxy an=
d I=20
have found it best if making earrings to get it sorted with the fitti=
ngs=20
before hand, although it is not nearly so much fun as making or dippi=
ng=20
them in the epoxy.

The hardest that I've done are some earrings with studs with some fis=
h=20
=66rom an Isao Honda (name escapes me) which is about 6mm long. But t=
here=20
you go, I proudly wear the title of anorak. :-))

Hope that helps a bit.

roc

<fx: just wait a second while I pull this rabbit from out of my sleev=
e.>





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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 23:22:21 -0400
From: Bob Nienhuis <IBFIRBN@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU>
Subject: Re: Re: Re: recognition of origami models

It really feels that way to me too. Something about fresh young eyes..
But maybe that's part of the appeal of origami, it allows us to see
in the same way a child sees.

Bob Nienhuis
ibfirbn@mvs.oac.ucla.edu

------------------------------TEXT-OF-YOUR-MAIL--------------------------------

> From: Gretchen Klotz <gren@AGORA.RDROP.COM>
> Subject: Re: Re: recognition of origami models
>
> On Sun, 11 Feb 1996, Bob Nienhuis wrote:
>
> > It has been my experience that young children recognize the model
> > instantly, but the adults have a bit more trouble.
>
> Sometimes I think it's a
> cat (or dog or pig), and it's only after he corrects me that I recognize
> it as a bear.  Something about capturing the essence or expressing the
> gestalt...  Obviously an ability that many of us lose as we grow older. ;-)
>

>
> --
> gren@agora.rdrop.com   http://admin.ogi.edu/~gren/





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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 23:39:44 -0400
From: Bob Nienhuis <IBFIRBN@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU>
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Dollar Bill Heart

 Where does the group meet now? I used to be involved when the group
 started, but lost track for a while. Iam interested in getting the
 newsletter also.

 Bob Nienhuis
 ibfirbn@mvs.oac.ucla.edu

------------------------------TEXT-OF-YOUR-MAIL--------------------------------

> From: terryh@LAMG.COM(Terry Hall)
> To: Multiple recipients of list <origami-l@NSTN.CA>
> Subject: Re: Re: Re: Dollar Bill Heart
>
> The WCOG was started in 1970 and holds
> meetings on the second Saturday of the month (today was one of them) from 1pm
> to 4pm. I can give you more info if you are interested.
>
> Terry Hall
> terryh@lamg.com





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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 23:44:27 -0400
From: slider@ims.mariposa.ca.us (Pat Slider)
Subject: origami in space?

So, if you have web access, what do you think of this image of Koichi
Wakata, Japan's first astronaut in space?

http://shuttle.nasa.gov/sts-72/images/postflight/72330h24.jpg

Is that some origami he is juggling in the bottom left of the picture? Or
just packaging? I think perhaps I am just being hopeful. Maybe I need a new
monitor. Now I would like to see a picture of some paper cranes in zero
gravity!

pat slider.





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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 00:04:36 -0400
From: jwu@cs.ubc.ca (Joseph Wu)
Subject: Re: Zulal? No thanks...

>> Ayture-Scheele, Zulal HThe great origami book
>> Ayture-Scheele, Zulal. Origami in color :   paperfolding fun
>
>I would avoid both on two counts;
>
>1) the folds are old hat
>2) the folds are ripped off without credit

And don't forget this one: she uses non-standard symbols.

 Joseph Wu                      Webmaster of the Origami Page
<jwu@cs.ubc.ca> <http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/jwu/origami.html>
  Approach life like a voyage on a schooner. Enjoy the view.
  Explore the vessel. Make friends with the Captain. Fish a
  little. And then get off when you get Home.  --Max Lucado





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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 00:10:08 -0400
From: jwu@cs.ubc.ca (Joseph Wu)
Subject: Re: Fold away or side-to-side?

I asked Paul about that at the First Southeastern Origami Festival
and basically he said what Tom said below.

>        While I agree wholeheartedly, I think the real point
>is being missed.  I see this as largely a *pedagogical* (sp???)
>question.
>        Those Paul Jackson books that I've seen which say "fold
>from left-to-right, not away from you" make such edicts in the
>*beginner's* section - that is, the part of the book which is
>supposed to aid the beginner through the difficulties of learning
>origami via a book.  Now, there are many ways to teach origami
>to beginners, and some people might learn well through a "fold
>in whatever way feels most comfortable" approach.  BUT I
>personally feel that most people who are learning origami for
>the first time will do better if you tell them specifically
>what to do.  Later, after they have more experience you can
>say, "Notice the many different ways in which we can fold the
>paper.  Experiment and see which way is the most accurate for
>you."  Once the folder has some practice they can make
>personal decisions about their folding style more easily.
>        Thus, I agree with Paul Jackson's choice of pedagogy.
>You ask the beginner to fold in a specific way in hopes that
>this will make their life easier.  It doesn't mean that
>*everyone* has to fold this way all the time!  I see
>it at merely a teaching technique.  (Although I could be wrong,
>yet Paul Jackson isn't here to defend himself, so I must be right!)

 Joseph Wu                      Webmaster of the Origami Page
<jwu@cs.ubc.ca> <http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/jwu/origami.html>
  Approach life like a voyage on a schooner. Enjoy the view.
  Explore the vessel. Make friends with the Captain. Fish a
  little. And then get off when you get Home.  --Max Lucado





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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 00:11:48 -0400
From: "BOB T. LYNCH" <blynch@du.edu>
Subject: Re:  in the air...

I think it is much harder to fold in the air - and unfortunately, when I teach
I find that I almost have to, otherwise I wind up standing against a wall
with my back to the class... then I find that they are doing what I do and
folding in the air -- which makes it very hard for the class (usually kids who
aren't very accurate in some ways, anyway) to get good results...

Dee
blynch@du.edu





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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 00:13:30 -0400
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Chinese triangle modules

I would very much like to know if these constructions use glue.
I would bet they do. The vases/jars in the OUSA magazine article
are symetrical about an axis (like a curved line revolved in a
3D CAD program to produce a solid.) The different colored modules
give a mosaic effect reminiscent of that Italian jewelry that uses
little bits of glass/ceramic in inlays. Another thing the vases
remind me of are those "honeycomb" paper flowers, bells, fans, etc
that are made in China and Japan (for decades). They come flat,
and you swing one surface around to meet the other, the honey
comb opens out and you get a "solid". (Hallmark always has these
in decorations at Xmas, etc., and circular fans are available
in Japan & China town shops...)

The connection technique may be similar to some variations
of circular or "ring" shaped origami "flexagons".

I'd also like to know how big the vases and eagle are.

Anyway, if these things are glueless constructions, its going
to take Jeannine Mosely's fractal to break the record for
most modules in a glueless origami construction...

--valerie
Valerie Vann
>INTERNET:75070.304@compuserve.com





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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 00:51:09 -0400
From: marckrsh@pipeline.com (Marc Kirschenbaum)
Subject: Re:  in the air...

On Feb 13, 1996 00:11:48, '"BOB T. LYNCH"  <blynch@du.edu>' wrote:

>I think it is much harder to fold in the air - and unfortunately, when I
teach
>I find that I almost have to, otherwise I wind up standing against a wall
>with my back to the class... then I find that they are doing what I do and

>folding in the air -- which makes it very hard for the class (usually kids
who
>aren't very accurate in some ways, anyway) to get good results...

When accuracy is of prime concern (i.e., as when folding complex models),
folding in the air I have found to be a luxury I can not afford. When I
teach, I compramise by first forming the sequence I am about to display on
a table, unfold what I have done, and then re-collapse in the air. The
result often looks like a pop-up book being closed up. Since my folds are
alredy well scored, I am at a folding advantage to my students, but I think
that seeing everything collapse unobstructed in the air aids in
visualization.

Marc





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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 01:02:38 -0400
From: "BOB T. LYNCH" <blynch@du.edu>
Subject: Re: Book suppliers

In the thread of larger vs smaller bookstores... at least in the metro Denver
area I find that while the smaller stores are friednly, so are the "big" ones.
AND the books are generally less expensive - I can think of two smaller stores
that I have been in that actually use white out on the back of the book to
"erase" the publishers msrp (so to speak) and up the price of the book by up to
$5.00! I have found that while the big stores will order books for you, they
generally don't charge for the servie, which some smaller stores do, and you
aren't obligated to buy the book after it somes in - which I have been told at
a couple of stores - you order it you buy it.

Perhaps I just haven't found the "right" neighborhood bookstore, but I think
for the time being I will stick with B&N and BDalton and Walden...

Dee





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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 01:07:31 -0400
From: marckrsh@pipeline.com (Marc Kirschenbaum)
Subject: Re: Re: Re: recognition of origami models

On Feb 12, 1996 23:22:21, 'Bob Nienhuis
<IBFIRBN@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU>' wrote:

>It really feels that way to me too. Something about fresh young eyes..
>But maybe that's part of the appeal of origami, it allows us to see
>in the same way a child sees.

Children probably do have more open imaginations than adults. Another issue
is that most origamists are perhaps too intimatly involed with the visual
language of origami. Throughout the years, certain sequences have evolved
to become generally recognizedf as certain kinds of appandages. This puts
the well seasoned origamis at an advantage at recognising subjects
portrayed through origami. I know that I would recognize a crimped
bird-base flap as a beak much sooner than, lets say for instance my mother
(who is remarkably ignorant about origami). She still thinks that anything
on the amphorous end of the spectrum that I have produced is an elephant,
while anything I have done with lots of appandages is a lobster. If she
does recognise what I have done, then I truly know I have produced
something realistic. (Please not this test will never work in the presence
of my father, who can not help blurting out what I am trying to replicate).

Marc
