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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 18:24:13 -0400
From: Richard Kennedy <KENNEDRA@ibm3090.bham.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Start Stories

As far as I can recall I first did some origami on my father's knee. He
was a travelling salesman, and would sometimes bring packs of origami
paper home, which contained instructions for some traditional models -
pigeon, frog etc. Books were also borrowed from the local library, looking
through old boxes I've found models from Harbin's Secrets and Randlett's
Best of Origami. I continued to do a little origami as I grew up, and
even managed to buy copies of Origami 1, 2, 3 and 4. Time for recreational
activities was very short whilst I was at University, and so the origami
books disappeared into a dark corner. On finishing my Ph.D. I went to the
Ohio State University. One day as I was exploring the local bookstores, I
found a pack of origami paper, and decided to start again. It is an
excellent craft for an itinerant person, as you need so little in the way
of equipment, just some paper, no messy glues or ... It's easy to tidy
up afterwards. Most people are delighted if you give them a model. Of course
I needed a book of diagrams. I found one of the little Kawai books (a bit
frustrating as the diagrams/photos are not always clear), and then
Kasahara's "Creative Origami". I think I folded all the models in this
masterpiece before I returned to England. Each of my friends received a
model by which to remember me. On a subsequent trip to OSU I found a copy
of Origami for the Connoiseur, which has provided me with really
challenging models.

More recently I have joined BOS, and been introduced to many new delights,
such as the boxes of Fuse. My book collection has grown a lot. I've been
to several BOS conventions, and met many people I had only known previously
as the names on the pages of books of origami diagrams. Now I've joined
origami-l, and make contact with all sorts of other people. It's a
wonderful hobby, and its practioners are so friendly. I always take paper
with me on holiday, and there must be examples of my folding in many
different places around the UK and Europe (as well as Ohio).

Now I have a serious origami book buying habit. Does anyone know of a
cure?

It's a great hobby. It encourages sharing, participation, teaching, and
communication. Who could ask for anything more?

Richard K.
(R.A.Kennedy@birmingham.ac.uk)





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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 21:04:38 -0400
From: chall@scsn.net (Carol Hall)
Subject: Re: Start Stories

>
>Now I have a serious origami book buying habit. Does anyone know of a
>cure?

Cure? Why, I can stop anytime I want....   ;-)

Carol Hall
chall@scsn.net





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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 21:12:30 -0400
From: chall@scsn.net (Carol Hall)
Subject: Re: photographing origami

>> Doug Philips mentionned his experience photographing origami.
>> I bet there are others on the list who have tried their hand
>> at photographing models.  What I want to know is if you have
>> any tips to give :

I have a drawer full of BAD, failed photos of models (now trying to think of
what - and how - to turn them into something useful)

For those of you who have the expertise -- maybe a session at the convention
of photo tips, preferably aimed at those of us who don't have lots of
special equipment. (I have a couple of point and shoot cameras and a dining
room table... Is there any hope without extra expense?)

Carol Hall
chall@scsn.net





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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 22:25:03 -0400
From: vjamep%epvx03.dnet@gpo.nsc.com
Subject: Re: Start Stories

From:   GPO::"origami-l@nstn.ca"  9-FEB-1996 09:29:02.98
Subj:   Re: Start Stories

>
>Now I have a serious origami book buying habit. Does anyone know of a
>cure?

Cure? Why, I can stop anytime I want....   ;-)

Carol Hall
chall@scsn.net
--------------------------------------------------

Yes , Carol Hal is right !!!
do what you think is GOOD  and STOP as long as its BAD to everyone and
you ...........

JAmes TAn (MALAYSIA)





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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 22:32:43 -0400
From: slider@ims.mariposa.ca.us (Pat Slider)
Subject: Re: Book buying...

>>
>>Now I have a serious origami book buying habit. Does anyone know of a
>>cure?
>

Bankruptcy? I wish those Japan Publications were cheaper....

I recently toured some Texas used bookstores for origami books (and firsts
by favorite authors) while visiting family there. The pickings are few. I
asked one bookseller about this, and he said that when he gets an origami
book, it sells very fast. Oh well. I did manage to find one older Eric
Kenneway book, but it had just come in that day.

By the way, Half-Price Books is carrying Robert Lang's "Origami Animals"
for $4 even.

pat slider.

(Book buying is truly an obsession. We went to tour the Johnson Space
Center near Houston, and I couldn't help wondering if the odds might be
better in used bookstores near NASA...all those mathematicians, don't you
know? Never did book-browse; the space center was fun though. I think I
realized the silliness of it all, but then again...who knows what I
missed?)





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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 23:00:14 -0400
From: reeds@openix.com (Reeds Family)
Subject: Re: Thanx for start stories

>Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 21:49:32 -0100
>To:DORIGAMI@aol.com
>From:reeds@openix.com (Reeds Family)
>Subject:Re: Thanx for start stories
>
>>To all who have volunteered their start stories, thank you so much.  I am
>>really enjoying reading all of them and we have a lot of them already.  I
>>will compile  them as soon as we have enough, & send them out to all who want
>>them.  Dorigami.
>
>Dear Dorigami--I only recently started subscribing again to Origami-l so I
>missed the original question, but if the question is along the lines of
>How did you get started, here's my answer:
>When I was about 10 or 11,living in Ann Arbor, I went to the International
>Students' Fair held every year a tthe University of Michigan. A young
>Japanese woman was folding cranes at the Japan table--I must have spent 2
>hours watching her, and she finally showed me how. I can't remember what
>the first packet of paper or book I got was (long since lost in moves),
>but I do remember making cranes and water balloons while baby sitting soon
>after. I had been making airplanes and cootie catchers for years before
>that and a cut/fold/paste house.The first model I invented was a 3-legged
>elephant when I was about 13 and bored watching my sister's horse-riding
>lesson. It's close on to 4 decades later, and I'm still going strong. In
>January Itaught a family workshop at our local Friends of the Library
>program that drew about 25 people, all ages, on a school night soon afer
>the big snow storms here.(Mostly original models with a Valentines
>theme--about 10pp of diagrams availble if you send a SASE I count any trip
>by bus, train, or plane or long public meeting/show wasted if I haven't
>invented something (usually simple--intermediate). I've made a lot of
>instant friends, calmed lots of querulous kids, tantalized grownups all
>around the world.
>Best wishes,
>Karen
>Karen Reeds
>Science/Medicine Editor
>Rutgers University Press
>Bldg 4161, Livingston Campus
>PO Box 5062
>New Brunswick NJ 08903-5062
>908--445-7762x602
>Fax 908--445-7039
>reeds@openix.com (for origami)





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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 08:50:10 -0400
From: agb@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk
Subject: BOS home page

Hello all,
          The BOS web page can be found at

http://alf2.mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk:1500/bos.html

where you can find some diagrams for a rather good
frog by Nick Robinson as well as subscription info.

Alex





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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 09:03:20 -0400
From: Jennifer.Campbell@cciw.ca (Jennifer Campbell)
Subject: origami photos

Hi everyone,

I don't have any tips for photographing origami (other than use a camera
that does good closeups...), but I do have a funny story about this.
Several years ago we had a PROFESSIONAL PET PHOTOGRAPHER come to do a
portrait of our cat (!) The photographer promised 12 proofs, but our cat
was such a miserable old cuss that he could only get seven shots of her
before he had to give up. So he used up the rest of his film taking
pictures of my best origami. He used a Hasselblad (sp?) camera, those
lighting umbrellas, coloured backdrops, etc. and I'm really pleased with
the origami "portraits"! But the cat is still prettier.

Jennifer.

       /\_/\       ________
     `(     )' oo /        \
       `==='     | Maguro o |
       /   \     |  kudasai |
      |     |     \________/
      |     |
    ___\___/__Jennifer.Campbell@cciw.ca





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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 10:22:18 -0400
From: Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com
Subject: Book buying Was: Re: Start Stories

>Now I have a serious origami book buying habit. Does anyone know of a
>cure?

Well, my other book buying compulsions keep my origami book habit
in check, but I don't recommend this as a "cure!" When I last moved,
fully *half* of the boxes were books...

Lisa (why buy anything else?) Hodsdon





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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 11:43:46 -0400
From: kkinney@med.unc.edu (Kevin Kinney)
Subject: Re: Book buying

>
> >Now I have a serious origami book buying habit. Does anyone know of a
> >cure?

Simple:  Buy all the ones there are, then the problem is solved :)

Kevin Kinney
(Who is working toward this solution, but is still a long way off)





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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 12:20:47 -0400
From: Paul Leclerc <pleclerc@wsj.dowjones.com>
Subject: Book recommendations

With all this talk about *buying* books, I thought I would check out
my favorite public library and see what they had.  Below is the list
of books on the shelf and was wondering if I could get some recommendations
on those that are:
        1) Challenging
        2) Not too challenging :-)  I've only been doing this for a few months.

I seem to like boxes and similar things.  I prefer books that present the
folding fairly simply.  I bought a few books but was thoroughly confused
with many models.

Any picks?

Thanks
Paul

Araki, Chiyo. Origami in the classroom ; Book II
Honda, Isao, The world of origami.
Sakade, Florence. Origami; Japanese paper folding.
Sarasas, Claude. The ABC's of origami; paper folding for children
Randlett, Samuel. The art of origami; paper folding, traditional and mode1
Kenneway, Eric. Origami : paperfolding for fun
Ayture-Scheele, Zulal HThe great origami book
Ayture-Scheele, Zulal. Origami in color :   paperfolding fun
Jackson, Paul,   The complete origami course
Montroll, John. Prehistoric origami :   dinosaurs and other creatures
Jackson, Paul. Classic origami
Kallevig, Christine Petrell. Folding stories : storytelling and origami together
Randlett, Samuel. The art of origami; paper folding, traditional and mode1
Jackson, Paul, Origami and papercraft : a step-by-step guide
Jackson, Paul. The encyclopedia of origami & papercraft techniques
Kneissler, Irmgard. Creative origami
Araki, Chiyo. Origami for Christmas
Needham, Kate. The Usborne book of origami
Smolinski, Jill. Holiday origami
Kitamura, Keiji. Origami animals
Honda, Isao, The world of origami
Randlett, Samuel. The best of origami; new models by contemporary folders
Harbin, Robert, Secrets of origami: the Japanese art of paper folding
Honda, Isao, How to make origami; the art of paper folding
---
Paul Leclerc       http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/pel/
Dow Jones & Co., Inc.   pleclerc@wsj.dowjones.com
Voice: (609) 520-7253   Fax: (609) 520-4655





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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 12:55:20 -0400
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: Re: Cyber Fair

Greetings  Marsha...did you get my message about Deana Shulman.....I'm not
always sure my messages are sent because I sometimes  get a message that this
is not a known user.....Dorigami





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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 12:57:34 -0400
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: Re: Brochure Folds?

Gretchen: What is PNW....Dorigami





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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 13:23:43 -0400
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: letterfold exhibition? 2

V'Ann....Hi, I hope you and Gay will conduct a class on Letterfolding at the
convention and that it is at a time when I won't be teaching.....I am really
getting into letterfolds and have learned a lot.  I've even done a couple
shows on them.....My son in law is a writing teacher in Atlanta School system
and he uses them to encourage the kids to write letters.......Dorigami
 (Dorothy)





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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 13:25:44 -0400
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: Re book buying habit

Buying Origami books beats buying booze, sex, drugs, cigarettes,
gambling,etc.  so why try to beat the habit....Now as for me, I must have 200
or more Origami books on my shelf....I have been buying books for 36 years
now.  I always tell myself no more! but they keep popping up and saying you
can't leave me behind.  By the way, have you seen the new list from
Ousa....it's the longest one I have ever seen and the books keep getting
better and better and more and more beautiful....And on top of it I now get a
discount at Borders where I teach Origami.....Oi Yoy Yoy.  I recommend Gay
Gross's books as priority books, the Biddle books are really great, Eric
Kenneways books with the doll on the front, Kasahara books. (I really love
Kasahara's models).....these books all have models that are "fun" models in
them....Dorigami





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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 15:27:10 -0400
From: altj@cix.compulink.co.uk (Al Jardes)
Subject: Re: Re book buying habit
> ...  I recommend Gay
> Gross's books as priority books,

I don't. while they may have pretty paper, the drawings (of the ones
that I have) are unclear, imprecise, do not attribute the originator,
and are not representative of a style of drawing consistent with 197x+.

but at least they are there, keeping the information flowing.

roc





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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 16:14:45 -0400
From: Ninety Six Elementary <frick@emeraldis.com>
Subject: books & photos

Love this email.  Feel like I've gone from a bathtub to a great ocean being
connected to other origamians.  I'd like tips on how to photo models too.
Things as to lighting, what format camera, what type of lens.  I've tried
but it seems to be hit or miss.  Some great, some very indistinct.  Oh well!
I must confess I'm a sucker for an origami book I don't have.  Only thing to
do is to lock yourself in your house and join bookaholics.  DON'T enter a
bookstore.  It's all over if you do!  Visiting bookstores in new places is a
treat.  Fortunately my book buying is curbed by how much I can lift.  I
mailed some origami books home from Japan this past summer and the cost made
me decide I'd better be more selective.  Happy folding from the South.
Marsha DuPre





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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 16:27:25 -0400
From: Michael J Gebis <gebis@ecn.purdue.edu>
Subject: Re: Start Stories

> Now I have a serious origami book buying habit. Does anyone know of a
> cure?

Don't buy any more books until you have folded a picture-perfect
version of every model in the last book you purchased.

Either you'll buy less books or become a much better folder. :)

--
Mike Gebis  gebis@ecn.purdue.edu





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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 17:02:37 -0400
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: Re book buying habit

In message <memo.629587@cix.compulink.co.uk>,
    altj@cix.compulink.co.uk (Al Jardes) wrote:
+In-Reply-To: <960209122017_317240699@mail04.mail.aol.com>
+> ...  I recommend Gay
+> Gross's books as priority books,
+
+I don't. while they may have pretty paper, the drawings (of the ones
+that I have) are unclear, imprecise, do not attribute the originator,
+and are not representative of a style of drawing consistent with 197x+.
+
+but at least they are there, keeping the information flowing.

I must take exception to this.  "The Art of Origami" lists the creators of the
models.  And I have found the diagrams to be very clear, including the
butterfly bomb assembly directions.

If you have a specific complaint, name the book, and include the ISBN.  Some
of Gay's books have gone out of print and popped up again under different
titles and different bindings.

-Doug





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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 17:15:10 -0400
From: chall@scsn.net (Carol Hall)
Subject: Re: Re book buying habit

>In-Reply-To: <960209122017_317240699@mail04.mail.aol.com>
>> ...  I recommend Gay
>> Gross's books as priority books,
>
>I don't. while they may have pretty paper, the drawings (of the ones
>that I have) are unclear, imprecise, do not attribute the originator,
>and are not representative of a style of drawing consistent with 197x+.
>

I'm totally confused.  Gay _always_ attributes designers.  And I'm not sure
what is meant by drawing style consistent with the 197x+.  Her style seems
pretty current to me.  Everyone has their own opinion, of course - and their
own preferences for folding style.
Carol Hall
chall@scsn.net





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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 18:00:31 -0400
From: Gretchen Klotz <gren@agora.rdrop.com>
Subject: Re: Brochure Folds?

On Fri, 9 Feb 1996 DORIGAMI@aol.com wrote:

> Gretchen: What is PNW....Dorigami

Pacific North Wet^H^H^H West.  Apologies.  I wrote it out in my first post
about the brochure content (Origami Resources in the Pacific Northwest),
but forgot to in this one.  It includes Oregon and Washington states, and
British Columbia if one is feeling inclusive.

And speaking of content and inclusiveness, I'm still waiting for Phillip
Yee (and anyone else who wants to offer some suggestions from the Seattle
and Vancouver BC areas!) to get back to me with addresses and phone
numbers of their favorite book and paper stores!  TIA.

- Gretchen, glad that the leaks in the bedroom and project room (right
behind *all* my origami stuff!) are no longer dripping or seeping

--
gren@agora.rdrop.com         http://admin.ogi.edu/~gren/





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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 20:18:16 -0400
From: slider@ims.mariposa.ca.us (Pat Slider)
Subject: Re: Gay Merrill Gross books.

>In-Reply-To: <960209122017_317240699@mail04.mail.aol.com>
>> ...  I recommend Gay
>> Gross's books as priority books,
>
>I don't. while they may have pretty paper, the drawings (of the ones
>that I have) are unclear, imprecise, do not attribute the originator,
>and are not representative of a style of drawing consistent with 197x+.

I do. I've enjoyed her "Origami Workshop". I like her choice of models. And
I haven't had any problems understanding her diagrams, even on the
difficult models. (I had fun folding Nick Robinson's wallet :->. Now I just
want to fold a couple in some of my best washi paper for gifts....And now
thanks to his recent posting, I have another one to try!)

pat slider.





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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 21:10:51 -0400
From: ACPQUINN@myriad.middlebury.edu
Subject: Re: Gay Merrill Gross books.

Are you perhaps thinking of Zulal Ayture-Scheele? Her books have pretty but
hard-to follow diagrams, and she never mentions the authors of the folds...
This sounds more like your description than Gay's books do....
-Alasdair





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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 21:12:21 -0400
From: slider@ims.mariposa.ca.us (Pat Slider)
Subject: Re: Book recommendations

>Below is the list
>of books on the shelf and was wondering if I could get some recommendations
>on those that are:
>        1) Challenging
>        2) Not too challenging :-)  I've only been doing this for a few months.

The Araki book that I have seen and the Usborne book are definitely more
for young children. I don't think that an adult would be very happy with
them.

I have gotten one Isao Honda book from my library, enjoyed it, but must say
that some of the diagrams were a little confusing. But not too difficult to
figure out and fold.

I love Eric Kenneway books. He seems to always include some
functional/entertaining models.

Paul Jackson's books have a nice variety of models with a range of levels
(at least the ones that I have seen).

John Montroll's books are more difficult, but definitely inspiring.

So how many books can you check out :->? I think the Kenneway and Jackson
books would provide a number of well-diagrammed models you would enjoy
trying. Are these just the books from your local library? My own library
system can get me books from other libraries in the same system....I've
been going through the available Kasahara collection.

pat slider.

This reminds me of a question I have been meaning to ask....





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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 21:13:52 -0400
From: slider@ims.mariposa.ca.us (Pat Slider)
Subject: Fold away or side-to-side?

So here is my question....

In the Paul Jackson book I have, he explicitly says that you should never
fold away from your body because it is more inaccurate, but that you should
fold left-to-right or right-to-left.

So what is the list's opinion on this? Does it really make a difference?

Swamping the list after being deprived of email for two weeks,

pat slider.





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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 23:28:43 -0400
From: "BOB T. LYNCH" <blynch@du.edu>
Subject: book cure?

Well, people, much to the amazement and chagrin of my husband, my origami book
habit has made me reshelve all my STAR TREK books - they had been sharing
shelf space in my office, but my origami collection has grown enough that I need
to find a new place for the ST stuff...

Dee





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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 23:40:11 -0400
From: "Ashley G. Perrien" <perr2232@kutztown.edu>
Subject: Re: Start Stories

> Don't buy any more books until you have folded a picture-perfect
> version of every model in the last book you purchased.
>
I wish it were that easy, but with me there are 2 flaws in that

1) I completed the models and will do them better next time. But in the
   mean time...

2) I can't figure a model out and that book right there will give me the
   extra experience I need!

My cure is moving to the boonies and not owning a car. I get to a
decent book store about once every other month, and the ones I hit don't
have anything good anyway.

AshleyP





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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 23:47:50 -0400
From: "BOB T. LYNCH" <blynch@du.edu>
Subject: Re: Book recommendations

well... pat don't just leave us hanging.. what was the question YOU wanted to
ask??!!





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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 02:13:15 -0400
From: Namir Gharaibeh <U50879@UICVM.CC.UIC.EDU>
Subject: Dead Folds

On the subject of foldings that appear less than, well, alive,
I've found that if it's at least a halfway decent fold of a
Lang insect, a cat will love it.  Give it a whirl, and the cat takes
over.  Grtanted it is heart-breaking seeing all that work being
batted around the room with predatory ferver, but what else are you
going to do with the not so perfect folds?

Yes, I'm a new guy on the block, forgive any faux pas.

+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
|        THE SNIPER'S GUILD            :  a.k.a.   Namir Gharaibeh      |
| "Proud Advocates of Creative Mayhem" :           U50879@uicvm.uic.edu |
|                                      :____ University of Illinois at  |
| Me and the world, see, we got this understanding.\           Chicago  |





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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 07:08:38 -0400
From: Allen Parry <parry@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: Dollar Bill Heart

On Thu, 8 Feb 1996, Jeff Lanam wrote:

> I am particularly interested in origami with
> dollar bills, and have gotten ahold of a bill folded into a heart
> with a four-petal flower on it.  I did not get this from the folder
> and I would like to know how to do it.  I really don't want to
> dissect it.  Can anyone help?
>
Jeff, I am also a neophyte to this list, but I am also a connoisseur of
dollar bill origami.  Take a look at http://www.deskmedia.com/~ccent/
I think perhaps you'll find what you're looking for there.  It seems like
I saw something like that there.

I have quite a collection of dollar bill origami that I'd like to
expand.  Here is a list of what I have so far:
*Gecko, *Falcon, *Mouse, *Dog, *Turtle, *Eagle 1, *Rabbit 1, *Ram, *Calf,
*Sailboat, *Armidillo, *Dinosaur, *Caterpillar, *Pellican, *Rabbit 2, Bow
Tie 1 & 2, Eagle 2, Elf Boots, Money Talks, Peacock, Shirt, Rings, A pair
of hearts, Single heart, Throwing Star, Frogs, Framed President, Rotating
Tetra, Dolphin, Pin Wheel, Elephants, Cartagan, and a puzzle that is hard
to unfold ($100 bills provide greater incentive).
(Items with * are original creations)

My favorite are the puzzle, dolphin, armidillo, dinosaur, falcon, shirt,
peacock, gecko, and the turtle.

I'd like to expand my collection and would be interested in trading with
others.  I don't have them illustrated but I could send samples.  (I use
paper imitation dollars for my models, saves on the money. Don't tell the
Feds.)  Anyway, if there is anyone out there who would be interested,
send e-mail to parry@eskimo.com





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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 10:35:57 -0400
From: altj@cix.compulink.co.UK (Al Jardes)
Subject: Re: Re book buying habit
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaH!

don't you hate it when that happens; dropping clangers, making fopars=
=20
so, Sorry chaps/esses, apologies to Gay as well; I withdraw my previo=
us=20
statement regarding GMG's books and in the previous missive, you may=
=20
substitute any reference to GMG with Z=FClal Ayt=FCre-Schele; of whic=
h the=20
remarks _do_ still stand.

I was thinking about the buying of books and I had the association of=
=20
several that I bought at once in my mind, all of which had rilly nice=
=20
pictures/papers. I remember the quality of papers of both authors boo=
ks=20
as being rilly nice, but the quality of the diagrams of one being=
=20
absolute rubbish, and as my books are located at the other end of the=
=20
garden, I did not check my facts before posting. :-(

OTOH, I've had this cold this week and have been under enough pressur=
e=20
k=20
has enough information and dribble to keep the punters interested. As=
=20
you all may well know, there are those who lurk and expect others to =
do=20
it all for them, contribute little and derive lots.

It seems as all of a sudden all those models that I've originated hav=
e=20
come under intense pressure to jump out of their boxes and onto the=
=20
printed page ...

roc

<fx: Walks off in the distance muttering 'maybe I'll just go bury my =
head=20
like an Ostrich, as if I can't see them, then they can't see me ...'>





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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 12:00:38 -0400
From: altj@cix.compulink.co.uk (Al Jardes)
Subject: Re: Gay Merrill Gross books.
that's the ticket!

roc





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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 15:03:26 -0400
From: terryh@lamg.com (Terry Hall)
Subject: Origami Resources

Hi All,

I am still collecting names, addresses and phone numbers of your favorite
origami resource location. So far I have about 100 entries in the database,
however, some info is missing on some of them. If you could email me with
your info I will include it in the database. Some of the entries are from
countries other than the US so please send me information no matter where you
are. Once the data is entered in the database it can be sorted by just about
any criteria (city, country, state, zip code, etc.). My intent is to make
this information available to everyone so please help me on this project.
Thanks.

Terry Hall
terryh@lamg.com





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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 15:24:29 -0400
From: Nick Robinson <Nick@homelink.demon.co.uk>
Subject: fold the lot??

gebis@ecn.purdue.edu writes:

> Don't buy any more books until you have folded a picture-perfect
> version of every model in the last book you purchased.

My first "real" book was a Montroll - I would never have bought another
book! If they are cheap, buy 'em. If they're good-looking, buy 'em. If
there's a couple of *superb* folds or techniques, buy 'em. At worst you can
sell them on to other folders!

My 2*1/2d worth

Nick Robinson





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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 15:27:29 -0400
From: Nick Robinson <Nick@homelink.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Zulal? No thanks...

> Ayture-Scheele, Zulal HThe great origami book
> Ayture-Scheele, Zulal. Origami in color :   paperfolding fun

I would avoid both on two counts;

1) the folds are old hat
2) the folds are ripped off without credit

Nic Nic Robinson





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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 15:30:57 -0400
From: Nick Robinson <Nick@homelink.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Fold away or side-to-side?

I can't agree with Paul - I always stress fold away so that you can
clearly see *all* the side that is lining up. It encourages a feel for
paper - sliding the top 1/2 whilst not the bottom half.

Nick Robinson





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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 15:34:19 -0400
From: Nick Robinson <Nick@homelink.demon.co.uk>
Subject: ori vs. the rest?

> Buying Origami books beats buying booze, sex, drugs, cigarettes,
> gambling,etc.

It would be interesting to take a straw poll on this!!

Nick Robinson





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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 15:37:19 -0400
From: "Weinstein, Michael" <michaelw@bdg10.niddk.nih.gov>
Subject: Dead folds

I'm a fairly experienced folder, and a worthwhile insect usually takes me
between a half-hour to an hour.  If my cat so much as breathed on that much
work she would rapidly become an ex-mammal (fortunately, my cat is old and
decrepit enough that this just isn't a
possibility).





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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 15:40:09 -0400
From: Nick Robinson <Nick@homelink.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Dead Folds

> I've found that if it's at least a halfway decent fold of a
> Lang insect, a cat will love it.  Give it a whirl, and the cat takes
> over.

I use old cuckoo clocks to plug the holes in the plaster in our bathroom...

Anyone else got any exciting tips for dead origami?

Nick Robinson





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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 15:56:15 -0400
From: Bob Nienhuis <IBFIRBN@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU>
Subject: Re: Re: Dollar Bill Heart

Allen,
I have a collection of original money folds also. I have a pig, rhino,
dolphin, xmas tree, butterfly, striking snake (action), and a moving
back hoe. So far, only the rhino has been diagrammed, but I am working
on the others. If you can supply me with some of your "funny money" I
am willing to fold my stuff from it and trade for yours.

Bob Nienhuis
ibfirbn@mvs.oac.ucla.edu

------------------------------TEXT-OF-YOUR-MAIL--------------------------------

> From: Allen Parry <parry@ESKIMO.COM>
> Subject: Re: Dollar Bill Heart
>
> On Thu, 8 Feb 1996, Jeff Lanam wrote:
>
> > I am particularly interested in origami with
> > dollar bills, and have gotten ahold of a bill folded into a heart
> > with a four-petal flower on it.  I did not get this from the folder
> > and I would like to know how to do it.  I really don't want to
> > dissect it.  Can anyone help?
> >
> I have quite a collection of dollar bill origami that I'd like to
> expand.  Here is a list of what I have so far:
> *Gecko, *Falcon, *Mouse, *Dog, *Turtle, *Eagle 1, *Rabbit 1, *Ram, *Calf,
> *Sailboat, *Armidillo, *Dinosaur, *Caterpillar, *Pellican, *Rabbit 2, Bow
> Tie 1 & 2, Eagle 2, Elf Boots, Money Talks, Peacock, Shirt, Rings, A pair
> of hearts, Single heart, Throwing Star, Frogs, Framed President, Rotating
> Tetra, Dolphin, Pin Wheel, Elephants, Cartagan, and a puzzle that is hard
> to unfold ($100 bills provide greater incentive).
> (Items with * are original creations)
>
> I'd like to expand my collection and would be interested in trading with
> others.  I don't have them illustrated but I could send samples.  (I use
> paper imitation dollars for my models, saves on the money. Don't tell the
> Feds.)  Anyway, if there is anyone out there who would be interested,
> send e-mail to parry@eskimo.com





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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 16:08:19 -0400
From: "Eric, accept no imitations!" <Eric_Andersen@brown.edu>
Subject: Re: Dead Folds

At 03:42 PM 2/10/96 -0400, Nick wrote:
>> I've found that if it's at least a halfway decent fold of a
>> Lang insect, a cat will love it.  Give it a whirl, and the cat takes
>> over.
>
>I use old cuckoo clocks to plug the holes in the plaster in our bathroom...
>
>Anyone else got any exciting tips for dead origami?
>

Sure, give them to people! Even a misshapen Montroll model will always
receive oohs and aahs from people who have never folded...and most people
will believe you when you tell them it's a giraffe, or a fish, or anything else.

-Eric

.             .     .     .     |--|--|--|--|--|--|  |===|==|   /    i
        .            ___________|__|__|__|__|__|_ |  |===|==|  *  . /=\
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__|   /|\      _|_|//    ooooooooooooooooooooo  |-|                    |
__|  |/|\|__   ||l|/,----8::::::TONIGHT::::::8 -| | "Don't believe     |
__|._|/|\|||.l |[=|/,----8:::Eric:Andersen:::8 -|-|    a word I say."  |
__|[+|-|-||||li|[=|------8:origami@brown.edu:8 -| |   -Professor Suggs |
_-----.|/| //:\_[=|\`----8:::::::::::::::::::8 -|-|    (in Orgo class) |
 /|  /||//8/ :  8_|\`--- 8ooooooooooooooooooo8 -| |                    |
/=| //||/ |  .  | |\\__________  ____  _________|-|                    |
==|//||  /   .   \ \\__________ |X|  | _________| `---==----------==---'
==| ||  /         \ \__________ |X| \| _________|     ||          ||
==| |~ /     .     \
LS|/  /             \___________________________________________________
                           http://techhouse.brown.edu/~tech/eric/





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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 17:03:27 -0400
From: "Ashley G. Perrien" <perr2232@kutztown.edu>
Subject: Re: Dead Folds

> Sure, give them to people! Even a misshapen Montroll model will always
> receive oohs and aahs from people who have never folded...and most people
> will believe you when you tell them it's a giraffe, or a fish, or anything
     else.
>
I wish I could! I've made models the came out almost exactly like the
picts in the books and peoplel still don't know what they are! I made a
bear, someone thought it was a pig, a pigeon was recognized at a chicken,
and spider wwaws recognized as a roach...

The models look just fine to me but it's disheartening to spend and hour
slowly folding and perfecting a bear and then have someone come along and
say, gee, nice PIG! ARRRGGHH!!!

Ashley <- confused as to whether he's a lousy folder or his friends just
          have to get to a zoo more often.





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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 18:40:53 -0400
From: casida@ere.umontreal.ca (Casida Mark)
Subject: Re: Dead Folds

Ashley wrote:

> I've made models the came out almost exactly like the
> picts in the books and peoplel still don't know what they are!

Don't be discouraged.  Art, even when trying to be realistic, is
fundamentally representational.   This raises the facinating issue
of what makes the representation of a pig we fold a pig, what makes
the representation of an ant we fold an ant, what makes the
representation of a rose we fold a rose, etc.  And the answer isn't
the same for everyone and it can be different in different cultures.
For example, Northwest Coast indian art is highly representational,
yet a culturally aware individual can pick out Beaver, Eagle, and
Thunderbird without any trouble because (s)he knows what makes
Beaver what he is (his flat tail and a stick to chew!)  Yet this
represenation of a beaver is nothing like what a European artist
would draw.  So next time you fold a pig and someone guesses it is
a bear, or a fox and someone guesses it is a mouse, ask why!  It
is an interesting game and you learn a lot.  It may turn out that
the fox looks like a mouse because mice have big ears.  It may
turn out that with this clue and a little ingenuity that you can
turn that fox into the best little mouse there ever was.
  So you see, origami is an art but it is also a game.  Take every
opportunity to bring others into the game too.

                              ... Mark

--
*-------------------------------------------------------*
|          Mark E. Casida                               |
|          e-mail: casida@chimcn.umontreal.ca           |





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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 20:52:46 -0400
From: "BOB T. LYNCH" <blynch@du.edu>
Subject: Re: Dead Folds

I know what you all mean about folding on something for an hour and then having
what is verey plain for you to see be totally lost on the first person you
show it to - usually my spouse. He has learned to look at them very carefully,
then try to see what book I am working out fo and then he very carefully says,
"Pig?" or "dinosaur?"  He can never quite get the question out of his voice
though - whichm in certain moods can be very annoying!!! ;-)

Dee





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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 21:06:33 -0400
From: "MARGARET M. BARBER" <mbarber@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu>
Subject: Re: Dead Folds

My spouse is in the same boat -- I usually take pity on him and just tell
him what it is.  In a way, identifying a model is like proofreading
something.  We've worked on it long enough, our eyes see what we want them
to see (not that the model isn't perfect, it's just that we have it in mind
what the model is).  Other people haven't seen the picture in the book
nor have they worked on it for an hour - they aren't starting with the same
background that we are and thus have more difficulty seeing what the
model is.

Peg Barber
mbarber@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu





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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 21:32:33 -0400
From: Rjlang@aol.com
Subject: Another cool dino book!

Hi all,

I recently received a book whose title is, I think, "Dinosaur Origami 2," by
dino-sensei Fumiaki Kawahata. (I say "I think" because everything but the "2"
is in Japanese, which I can't read.) It's about the same size as Kawahata's
"Dinosaur Origami" book (published in English by Japan Publications) and is
intermediate between DinoOri and his recent hardcover masterpiece, "Fantasy
Origami" (published by Gallery Origami House in Japanese) in scope and
difficulty. All of the models are from single uncut squares and are very
clearly diagrammed, running typically 30-50 steps. The "look" of the models
is slightly more stylized than those in Fantasy Origami, but important
details are there: the Dilophosaurus has a double crest, the
Pachycephalosaurus has a color-changed dome on its head, etc., etc. As with
most Kawahata designs, the geometry of each fold is a joy to follow, if
you're into the structural aspects of origami designs; even if you're not,
they're great fun to fold and it's a great book to get.

As I said, it's in Japanese; the ISBN is: 4-416-39517-5. 64 pp, price on the
cover is Y1200. What looks like the publisher's logo is a red, yellow, and
green square, each rotated; it's the same logo on one of my Fuse box books.
Perhaps Nakanishi-san can provide further information?

Robert J. Lang





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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 21:55:23 -0400
From: Rjlang@aol.com
Subject: Re: Fold away or side-to-side?

Regarding an author's edict to never fold away from oneself because it is
inaccurate...It seems to me that if someone can't fold accurately when
folding away from himself he can fold the paper any way he wants, but to
state that everyone else should avoid folding this way is silly. Particularly
since any folder can easily try folding a square from-side-to-side and
away-from-the-folder and see for himself (herself) which one comes out
better. I personally find that for many folds, folding the paper away from me
gives the _best_ accuracy, but I'm not going to start a religious war over
it. If you're worried about accuracy, paying attention to the fold as it's
happening is much more important than the direction the paper happens to be
going.

Along these lines, I periodically see statements by various folders about the
"proper" way to fold: the light should be just so, or you should hold the
paper up in the air and not use a table, or you should always fold
side-to-side, always stated as if the technique in question is the *only* way
of doing something. Different people fold different ways, and these edicts
should be treated as suggestions (You Shall Treat Edicts As Suggestions!).
What's important is the result, not the technique itself.

Robert Lang





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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 23:02:35 -0400
From: terryh@lamg.com (Terry Hall)
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Dollar Bill Heart

Hi Allen,

Would you be interested in having your folds published in the West Coast
Origami Guild (WCOG)newsletter? We have about 80 members across the world,
representing 5 foreign countries in addition to the whole USA. The newsletter
is published every month and usually contains an original model from members,
or other generous person (hint, hint). The WCOG was started in 1970 and holds
meetings on the second Saturday of the month (today was one of them) from 1pm
to 4pm. I can give you more info if you are interested.

Terry Hall
terryh@lamg.com





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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 23:35:28 -0400
From: James_Sakoda@Brown.edu (James Minoru Sakoda)
Subject: Re: Fold away or side-to-side?

For as long as I can remember I have taught beginners, especially young
children without much dexterity developed yet, to hold the paper with both
hands at the corners and up to the upper edge.  Then holding the paper in
place with one hand the other hand is slid down to the fold which is then
creased both to the right and to the left.  It is much harder for a child
to fold downward.  Folding sideward does not, it seems to me,  have the
advantage of holding the paper with both hands, which is needed by the
child for better control over the paper.  But people will find the method
they are most comfortable with, and that should be respected.  James M.
Sakoda





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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 00:48:43 -0400
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: Re: Book recommendations

Paul...what an impressive array...I suggest you try all of them
I usually find something that suits me in each book....try folding all of the
models in each book as far as you can and this will give you good experience
in folding as well following diagrams.  You can't really know if you like a
model unless you try folding it...Good Luck. Dorigami





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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 09:06:53 -0400
From: vann@tredgar.cardiff.com (VAnn Cornelius)
Subject: Paris Convention

>From Genevieve de Gouvion Saint Cyr
        Mouvement Francais des Plieurs de Papier (MFPP)
        56 rue Coriolis
        75012 Paris

This year our meeting is set in Paris: Les Rencontres in Paris, 16 - 19 May,
     1996

The special guests will be Paul Jackson (G.B.) and Alfredo Giunta (Italy).
We will offer student accomodations just outside Paris, and the foreign folders
will be most welcome.

The price of the two-bed room, including breakfast and one meal is 210FF for one
person.  The convention fee is not agreed upon yet, but will be around 100FF
a day.

Please write to the address above for information.

c/o V'Ann Cornelius
vann@cardiff.com





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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 14:10:42 -0400
From: Daniel Say <say@sfu.ca>
Subject: Re: Fold away or side-to-side?

" Regarding an author's edict to never fold away from oneself because it is
" inaccurate...It seems to me that if someone can't fold accurately when
....
" better. I personally find that for many folds, folding the paper away from me
" gives the _best_ accuracy, but I'm not going to start a religious war over
" it. If you're worried about accuracy, paying attention to the fold as it's
" happening is much more important than the direction the paper happens to be
" going.
               And the reason Yoshizawa in his lessons
               in Tokyo gives for folding in the air and
                     not by pressing on the table as children
               often do, is that the fold will be more
               accurate, the ends are defined and the
               fold joining the two will form accurately.

" Along these lines, I periodically see statements by various folders about the
" "proper" way to fold: the light should be just so, or you should hold the
" paper up in the air and not use a table, or you should always fold
" side-to-side, always stated as if the technique in question is the *only* way
" of doing something. Different people fold different ways, and these edicts
" should be treated as suggestions (You Shall Treat Edicts As Suggestions!).
" What's important is the result, not the technique itself.
"
" Robert Lang
                          D. Say
                          say@sfu.ca





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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 16:08:03 -0400
From: vann@tredgar.cardiff.com (VAnn Cornelius)
Subject: Re: recognition of origami models

> The models look just fine to me but it's disheartening to spend and hour
> slowly folding and perfecting a bear and then have someone come along and
> say, gee, nice PIG! ARRRGGHH!!!
>
> Ashley <- confused as to whether he's a lousy folder or his friends just
>           have to get to a zoo more often.

        This has become a fun game at our house.  When I finish folding
        the model, I announce to my son, "I-Q test!"  He looks carefully
        and makes a statement.  He is usually able to guess what I want
        him to say but recently he has begun a new script.

        He will look at the model very seriously,  hesitate and then
        announce with confidence,  "It is a dog." It doesn't matter
        what it is, a flower, mouse, sea-shell.  Such a tease. We laugh
        a lot.

        by-the-by,  Thanks Mark for your comment on cultural interpretations
        of representational art. Very interesting.

        V'Ann
        vann@cardiff.com





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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 16:16:37 -0400
From: vann@tredgar.cardiff.com (VAnn Cornelius)
Subject: Re: Book recommendations

WOW!, I'm impressed by your library service.  Are you saying that these
were actually on the shelf or listed in the general collection?

We have a good listing as available but I found that there are usally only
one or two books on a shelf at a time.  If I put in a request,  it takes
many weeks to get a book.

V'Ann
vann@cardiff.com

> With all this talk about *buying* books, I thought I would check out
> my favorite public library and see what they had.  Below is the list
> of books on the shelf
> ...
>
> Araki, Chiyo. Origami in the classroom ; Book II
> Honda, Isao, The world of origami.
> Sakade, Florence. Origami; Japanese paper folding.
> Sarasas, Claude. The ABC's of origami; paper folding for children
> Randlett, Samuel. The art of origami; paper folding, traditional and mode1
> Kenneway, Eric. Origami : paperfolding for fun
> Ayture-Scheele, Zulal HThe great origami book
> Ayture-Scheele, Zulal. Origami in color :   paperfolding fun
> Jackson, Paul,   The complete origami course
> Montroll, John. Prehistoric origami :   dinosaurs and other creatures
> Jackson, Paul. Classic origami
> Kallevig, Christine Petrell. Folding stories : storytelling and origami
     together
> Randlett, Samuel. The art of origami; paper folding, traditional and mode1
> Jackson, Paul, Origami and papercraft : a step-by-step guide
> Jackson, Paul. The encyclopedia of origami & papercraft techniques
> Kneissler, Irmgard. Creative origami
> Araki, Chiyo. Origami for Christmas
> Needham, Kate. The Usborne book of origami
> Smolinski, Jill. Holiday origami
> Kitamura, Keiji. Origami animals
> Honda, Isao, The world of origami
> Randlett, Samuel. The best of origami; new models by contemporary folders
> Harbin, Robert, Secrets of origami: the Japanese art of paper folding
> Honda, Isao, How to make origami; the art of paper folding
> ---
> Paul Leclerc   http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/pel/





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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 16:18:47 -0400
From: chall@scsn.net (Carol Hall)
Subject: Re: Fold away or side-to-side?

               And the reason Yoshizawa in his lessons
>             in Tokyo gives for folding in the air and
>                  not by pressing on the table as children
>             often do, is that the fold will be more
>             accurate, the ends are defined and the
>             fold joining the two will form accurately.
>
I was very willing to do as sensai Yoshizawa said during the workshop that I
took, because I wanted to experience all he had to offer.  My impression was
that to him, origami is much more than folding paper.  It is philosophy; it
is ballet; it is being.  He spent quite a while telling us not only to fold
in the air but how our hands should move while we crease the paper.  This
was a valuable lesson that transcended origami.

I often fold in the air now, just to get those lessons back.  But on my own,
in regular 'hum-dum' folding, my paper goes on the table.  It feels more
comfortable that way.  And if I am more comfortable in the folding process,
I am more likely to be accurate.  I respect Yoshizawa's mastery immensely,
and he can proclaim edicts from which I will learn.  But that does not mean
that mastery cannot be achieved along a different path.

Carol Hall
chall@scsn.net





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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 17:32:54 -0400
From: Bob Nienhuis <IBFIRBN@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU>
Subject: Re: Re: recognition of origami models

It has been my experience that young children recognize the model
instantly, but the adults have a bit more trouble.

 Bob Nienhuis
 ibfirbn@mvs.oac.ucla.edu
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> Subject: Re: recognition of origami models
>
> > The models look just fine to me but it's disheartening to spend and hour
> > slowly folding and perfecting a bear and then have someone come along and
> > say, gee, nice PIG! ARRRGGHH!!!





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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 17:56:25 -0400
From: slider@ims.mariposa.ca.us (Pat Slider)
Subject: Re: Fold away or side-to-side?

So, for the record, did Yoshizawa fold away from his body, side-to-side
or...? Just curious.

Folding in a somewhat northwest direction :->,

pat slider.





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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 18:35:15 -0400
From: A004773%LBVM1.profs@lbgwy.mdc.com
Subject: leave it to the French

 >>       Mouvement Francais des Plieurs de Papier (MFPP)

 A.K.A. Origami in France?
 It seems that the French always have a different name for something than
 the rest of the world... must be a cultural thing...

 John Andrisan
 IBMMAIL: USMCDQND   Internet: a004773%lbvm1.profs@lbgwy.mdc.com





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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 19:06:24 -0400
From: casida@ere.umontreal.ca (Casida Mark)
Subject: Re: leave it to the French

John Andrisan commented that

>  It seems that the French always have a different name for something than
>  the rest of the world... must be a cultural thing...

Well, yes, the French have a tradition of trying to keep their language
pure.  In Renaissance times, they complained about the number of Italian
words being adopted into French.  Now the complaints are primarily English.
  The funny thing is that France French and Quebec French both use words
borrowed from English but they are often different.  For example, automobile
emergency flashers are "les warnings" in France (look in your Petit Larrouse)
but "les flashers" in Quebec.  However for the purist you can also say
"les feux d'urgence" which is at least not borrowed from English.
  Woops, not much origami content.  But, by the way, from what little
I've seen from le mouvement des plieurs de papier, there is some real
talent among the francophonie.

                             A la prochaine!
                                  ... Mark
                                (a Montreal)

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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 20:31:13 -0400
From: LapinPub@aol.com
Subject: Dead Dinos...

Does anyone know of any dino-skeletons other than Yoshino's T-Rex, which have
been diagrammed?  I'm sure I saw a brachiosaurus type thing (using differnet
sizes of paper) in a Japanese book which Anne LaVin had, but I've not been
able to track it down.  If anyone has any info could you let me know?

J.C. Nolan (LapinPub@aol.com)





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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 23:19:39 -0400
From: marckrsh@pipeline.com (Marc Kirschenbaum)
Subject: Re: Dead Dinos...

On Feb 11, 1996 20:31:13, 'LapinPub@aol.com' wrote:

>Does anyone know of any dino-skeletons other than Yoshino's T-Rex, which
have
>been diagrammed?  I'm sure I saw a brachiosaurus type thing (using
differnet
>sizes of paper) in a Japanese book which Anne LaVin had, but I've not been

>able to track it down.  If anyone has any info could you let me know?

I just had my T-rex diagrammed for the most recent Origami USA Annual
Collection. Robert Lang also created one which was diagramed for the
previous Annual collection. Also, as of the last Origami USA convention,
Peter Budai was working on diagraming one of his own; I do not know if he
has made progress with it yet.

Marc





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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 23:44:31 -0400
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re book buying habit

Doug: You surely must be mistaken...This book you describe does not seem like
Gay's books. I feel that her books are well written, well illustrated, good
diagrams and models carefully chosen.  She gives credit to creators whenever
she can and mentions people who have been of help to her.....I know her and
she is a very special person, and I think her books reflect this. Dorigami.





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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 00:03:20 -0400
From: schary@VNET.IBM.COM
Subject: Problem with 'double rabbit earing'....

Hi all,
  I don't post often, but I enjoy reading this forum mail! I have been
into folding complex origami (I find RJ Lang's Insects the most
difficult to fold even compared to John Montroll's) for a couple of
months now.
   In most of the insect or other models, I find at the end  I have
to 'double rabbit ear' the points sticking out. However some of the
points are many many layers thick.....oooh my aching thumb nail. I have
no idea if the leg is supposed to be that thick, because the photo
of the model in the book seems to be very slick, and all legs about
the same thickness....An example is the Cicada from 'RJ Langs-Origami
Insects'...the middle two legs come out very thick, and I can't
do 'Double rabbit ear' for these. Am  I reading the diagrams correct
and some legs will turn out very thick, or....

Thanks,
Sreenath------schary@vnet.ibm.com

P.S I have tried to fold the Cicada, 4 times now (total 8 hours) and
    still have not got it right...I seem to stuff up step 54,
    but the photo of the model is a real beauty.





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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 00:25:36 -0400
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Chinese triangle modules

Back in Nov. 95, Raymond Koc wrote about seeing some
modules in Hong Kong & China, modular, sort of
triangular in shape. "the units were put together in
shapes of pineapples, ships, and even baskets." He
wondered if anyone had seen the module published anywhere.

Appartently no one had, but I was just weeding out the
printouts of past list traffic, and something clicked.
The winter 95 issue of the OUSA magazine had an article
on p. 9 about paper objects made from 1000s of modules
folded by Chinese who are interned pending deportation
proceedings. These people were from the June 1993 ship of
illegal immigrants, The Golden Venture. One man started
folding, taught others, and the objects include "vases,
eagles, pineapples, bowls and baskets." The article shows
vases, and an eagle with head and legs apparently of paper
mache and the wings and tail of the multicolored modules.

I wonder if this could be what Raymond saw? And whether
the modules are glued together or the projects are glueless?
Also, I wonder if the module is not then original to the
refugees, but some older Chinese craft or origami variation?

Does anyone from the NY area know more about this? or has
seen the exhibit at the Miele Gallery? Some of the objects
have 1000-4000 modules.

--valerie
Compuserve: Valerie Vann 75070,304
Internet: 75070.304@compuserve.com





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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 01:07:16 -0400
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: Re: ori vs. the rest?

Re ori vs. the rest?
Nick:  Straw poll?that's funny. Dorigami
