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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 21:37:37 -0400
From: Nick Robinson <Nick@homelink.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: DART

Here's a potted history, written for PR purposes- excuse the woffle! We
have a web page for you to
check;

http://www.shu.ac.uk/city/community/dart

Things are moving fast since we were given 300k by the lottery! We're
after a new  site, decent computers etc. !!

Let me have any further queries...

Cheers

Nick Robinson

DART
Disability Access to Resources in Technology, more commonly (and briefly)
known as DART, we are a free resource for people with disabilities who wish
to develop their skills in Information Technology. DART aims to redress the
current lack of training and employment opportunities in this area by
offering structured courses leading to recognised qualifications.
Counselling, support and careers guidance are on hand from qualified staff.

Well that's the technical details, but DART functions as far more than just
a training institute. Unlike many of the more commercial agencies, DART
focuses on people and doesn't see them simply as a route to further funding.
We believe that people, disabled or not, can only realise their potential
through development of self confidence. This is achieved by a low staff to
student ratio and positive motivation.

The project is managed by a voluntary group with a majority of members with
disabilities and it applies a sound policy of equal opportunities in all
areas. We work with eight students over four days (within the minimum hours
ruling), The fifth day is set aside as a development day for previous
students to continue their training.  Students are encouraged to help with
the day to day running of the project and become involved in the future
development of DART.

Specialised training helps improve employment prospects and DART offers
counselling, support and careers guidance.  Qualified staff  are  on hand to
discuss the student's needs, whether it be part time sheltered work,
placement with a local employer, self employment or perhaps going on to
higher education.

Homelink
After researching the needs of potential DART students, we identified a
number of people who were not sufficiently mobile to attend our centre, so
we raised funds to launch HomeLink, a sister project to DART. We have
supplied HomeLink students with computers equipped with modems. With this
technology, they can access training materials, send queries, explore
Internet and Fidonet news groups and develop friendships with other students
and Fidonet users.

With the help of a local BBS we have set up a Homelink Bulletin Board (BBS)
providing disability-related information amongst other resources. Our staff
visit each student once a week to reduce any possible feeling of isolation.
Where possible, HomeLink computers are made available to a group of students
based within residential centres.

If you would like to try our system, please call on 0114 272 1297, 24 hours.
For those who like to know about these things(!) the modem operates on 14400
baud, with 8 data bits, no parity and 1 stop bit. We welcome mail of any
kind, whether for staff or students & all mail will be replied to.





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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 05:44:11 -0400
From: amnons@actcom.co.il (Amnon S.)
Subject: Re: Ghostscript

> I have been having big problems with ghostscript:

I've also had problems with early versions of Ghostscript a few years ago.
You normally might have problems with the fonts or the display driver. I
managed to get it working in the end but it didn't support all PS commands.
Currently I'm not using it. For Web document viewing I download the ACROBAT
version of the document (just as popular). If that suits your needs, you can
DL it for free from many sites, and it works great!

regards and shalom,
                       Amnon





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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 09:01:53 -0400
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: Re: start stories

I am loving the how I got started stories.  Let's have more of them from
other people.  I also like a little something about the people I am talking
to, and what they are doing with Origami.  I belong to FOLD, (an Origami
zine) and we have gotten to know each other pretty well over the 10 years we
have been writing to one another.  Dorigami





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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 11:17:11 -0400
From: Tim Rueger <rueger@areaplg2.corp.mot.com>
Subject: Re: start stories

Hi, all,

Just a quick one here.

My first origami experience was in a math puzzles book I got from the
Weekly Reader book service back in 3rd grade.  It had the flapping
crane, which I thought was neat.  Not much after that until...

A week-long origami workshop during IAP (Independent Activities Period)
my freshman year at MIT.  I didn't know it at the time, but my favorites
from that workshop were from Montroll's Origami for the Enthusiast.  I
think Ann LaVin ran the workshop.  It was pretty cool.  Not much after
*that* until...

I found Montroll's "Animal Origami for the Enthusiast" at a
educational/toy store.  It has his early T.rex on the cover, and they
were displaying the book as a pseudo-tie-in to Jurassic Park (this was
summer of 1993).  It was then I realized the IAP models were from him.
In the next few weeks, I found all of John's other books published up to
then, and Lang's books, etc.  It just snowballed from there.  I've got
seven or eight shoe boxes full of models stacked up by now...

I lean heavily toward *hard* models (must be the engineer in me), and
thanks to help from this list, I'm pretty much up to close to
"state-of-the-art" with recent publications (like Lang's Insects and
Kawahata's Fantasy).

Guess it wasn't so quick after all.  Sorry 'bout that.  :^)

-Tim
--
Tim Rueger             Motorola CCRL IC Design Laboratory, IL02-2921
Fax  : (708) 538-4593  Internet: rueger@areaplg2.corp.mot.com





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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 11:36:06 -0400
From: Iron Will Dawes <wdawes@cs.nmsu.edu>
Subject: "How I got started" story

  In following the "How I got started" story thread, I was seven when
I first got started. My father was going on a business trip to Japan
and asked me what I wanted for a souvenir. I replied, "Please bring me
Shimada Youko." Shimada Youko, by the way, is the very beautiful
Japanese actress who played Mariko in "Shougun", which had just been
released at that time. Surprisingly, he did not bring her back for me!
Instead, he gave me a hardback copy of Honda Isao's "World of Origami"
in Japanese. It was another twelve years before I could speak
Japanese, but I learned all of the models from the diagrams. I didn't
come across another origami book until I was nineteen, when I found a
copy of Montroll's "African Animals in Origami" at the bookstore. The
description on the back said something about the book being for
"advanced folders", which I took to mean, "those who can handle a
seven-fold model" (having only ever seen "traditional" Japanese
designs) and purchased the book. What a shock! Since then, I have put
all of my spare time and money into acquiring and learning the many
advanced designs published today.
                              -Will





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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 12:03:25 -0400
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: Re: moravian star?

Do you think that the Moravian and the Swedish Star are two different stars.
 As far as I know the one that starts with 4 strips woven together and ends
with 4 stubby points on the top and 4 stubby points on the bottom and 8 flat
points around the outside (total 16 points) are sometimes called Swedish and
sometimes Moravian.  Now I'm thinking perhaps they are two different stars.
>From Dorigami





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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 12:09:04 -0400
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: Re: moravian star?

The 26 pointed star sounds very interesting.  Let's see if we can track it
down.  But we need a better description.  How does it begin.  How many
strips, and what are the first steps do you think.   from Dorigami





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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 12:10:11 -0400
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: Re: ORIGAMI-L digest 218

Marcia, I think I read that  Maying was the sister of  Madam Chung Kai Shek.
 Her husband was a financier in the United States.  She was one of three
beautiful sisters.  I mentioned in another E mail that I saw Madam Chung Kai
Shek on T.V. a month or so ago and was really surprized that she was still
living.  have you been in touch with Maying to see if she is still folding.
 She must be quite old by now.





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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 13:09:35 -0400
From: Fran Schwamm <schwammf@emh.yokota.af.mil>
Subject: Intro/Moose pattern?/"circle" origami

Hello Origami-ans(?)

A brief background and intro:  I teach on an American (U.S.)
military base in the suburbs of Tokyo, Japan and my niece suggested
last week that I "join" this listserv.

A few years ago when my niece got married she asked me for possible
"favors" for her wedding reception.  I thought it would be neat to
have origami moose (her "favorite" animal) and I searched many
bookstores but only found "regular" deers and reindeers.. is there
such an "animal"... i.e. an origami moose?

At our (elementary) school we have a *big* event every year called
Nihon Matsuri and many local (national Japanese) "present" different
aspects of Japanese culture including various forms of origami.  One
year one of the "presenters" had many interesting "origami" creations
made from _circular_ pieces of origami paper e.g. a _koi_ (goldfish),
vegetables, etc.  I asked if there was a book with such samples, and
altho' I was assured there was and info would be given, I have not
been able to find here (Japan).

TIA for any ideas, info, or help!

Are we having FUN yet?
(^_^) Fran <schwammf@emh.yokota.af.mil>





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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 13:15:35 -0400
From: Iron Will Dawes <wdawes@cs.nmsu.edu>
Subject: origami moose

  John Montroll's "North American Animals in Origami" contains an
excellent moose model. It's rather complex, but very real-looking.
                              -Will





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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 14:04:28 -0400
From: sarah@abel.math.umu.se (Sarah Goodall)
Subject: Teaching and mathematics

Hi everyone!

Does anyone have any experience of teaching mathematics to ages 16-18
using origami?  Or have any suggestions as to how to justify its use
in the teaching of mathematics to this age group?

Sarah Goodall

sarah@abel.math.umu.se





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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 14:15:08 -0400
From: ACPQUINN@myriad.middlebury.edu
Subject: Re: moravian star?

A clarification -
The moravian star is a symbol of the Moravian church which is based somewhere
in the southern states.  the swedish star, made from strips, is european in
origin.  They are not at all the same star, nor do they look at all similar;
the swedish star has a ring of 8 flat points and 2 rings of 4 3-d points, while
the moravian star has 26 3-d conical points arranged with three rings of 8 and
a long point at either pole of its sphere.  If there was a way to show this in
ASCII, i might draw one, but it's too complex.
I think that in creating a moravian star I would not think of the swedish star
as inspiration; there are some things that strips of paper can't do as easily
as modules can.
Alasdair
acpquinn@myriad.middlebury.edu





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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 14:46:05 -0400
From: casida@ere.umontreal.ca (Casida Mark)
Subject: Re: "How I got started" story

My "how I got started story" starts in Calif. where some of my
playmates were the children of Japanese visitors.  They showed
me how to fold a balloon.  I remember this especially because
I just couldn't inflate it no matter how hard I blew --- because
I was pushing it closed with my lips.  The result was that
my lips soon took on the color of the paper (red, I think.)
  I must have learned how to fold quite a few things because
I recall having spent hours teaching my friends how to fold
during recess in the school yard.
  Later when I was 13 my family spent 1 month in Kyoto where I
discovered that the Japanese are very hospitable people.  My
brother and I soon discovered the book of Hondo and those of
Kasahara.  I especially loved the book of Kasahara.  We devoured
these books and easily managed to memorize the folds.  I remember
being inspired to invent a few new things but I never wrote down
what I did.
  Then time went by and I abandonned my origami as a "childhood
thing" until I married.  Then my wife helped me to rediscover
what a wonderful thing I had learned (why is it so hard to see
through others eyes!?)
  By this time, I had discovered that most books were becoming
too simple for me.  But then I discovered the book of Sakoda which
I bought immediately because of the new bases!  And then it was
one discovery after another (Engel's wonderful book, the book
"Creative Origami", the devilishness of Lang, the technique of Montrol).
  Oddly enough I only encountered Yoshizawa's work much later.
And I have come to have a special love for some of his simple
and effective models as well as certain of Kasahara's.
  Please excuse this long message, but I would like to add
just one thing.  As you can see from my story, there was a time
that I gave up on origami due partly to lack of encouragement and
partly due to a misguided concept that "origami is childish"
(a concept I've encountered too many times among Japanese).
Origami groups such as are own are very important for helping
keep origami alive and well.  Let us keep up the good work!

                         ... Mark

--
*-------------------------------------------------------*
|          Mark E. Casida                               |
|          e-mail: casida@chimcn.umontreal.ca           |





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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 16:13:52 -0400
From: rva036@lulu.acns.nwu.edu (Justin Vandenbroucke)
Subject: Re: Published & unpublished wallets for you..

>I had a fairly functional wallet published in the FOCA magazine a couple of
>years ago & just invented another - text to follow (!)
>
>1) square, colour down. Crease in half both ways & fold two opposite sides to
>the centre forming 1/4 creases. Turn the paper to unfold a 1/4 crease a
>have that side nearest to you.
>
>2) fold the two nearest corners to the centre & unfold.
>
>3) fold the same two corners in 1/2 the distance, ie. to where the 1/4 crease
>intersects the crease in step 2
>
>4) exactly 1/2 of the original raw edge still faces you (the middle 1/2!).
>Fold
>1/2 of that(!) at 22.5 degrees to line up with a crease made in step 2. Repeat.
>
>5) now refold the creases made in step 2, turn over
>
>6) fold in the right & left sides to the centre crease.
>
>7) fold the edge opposite the point to the centre & tuck the point up
>within it.
>
>8) turn over - complete.
>
>It should be a wallet with two nicely shaped flaps to hold credit cards
>etc. If
>you have *really* struggled, I can send UU diags on request. Oh yes, let
>me know
>if this already exisits - there is always that possibility with simple designs!
>
>Nick Robinson

Do you have diagrams?





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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 16:16:13 -0400
From: rva036@lulu.acns.nwu.edu (Justin Vandenbroucke)
Subject: Re: Ghostscript

> I have been having big problems with ghostscript:
>
>I have downloaded the one of the ftp site, I have downloaded v 3.51, 3.33 and
>none of them have worked.  My laserjet or my dot printer are no postscript
>compatible, and unless a fax machine can print postscript files, I'm
>doomed...
>
>Any suggestions?
>
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
><>Chris Miller                                                <>
><>cm317@aol.com                                        <>
><>8th Grade Student At Harshman M.S.          <>
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

This program sounds interesting; can I have more information about it?
Where do you download it?





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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 16:29:33 -0400
From: Eric_Andersen@brown.edu (Eric, accept no imitations!)
Subject: Re: Teaching and mathematics

>
>Hi everyone!
>
>Does anyone have any experience of teaching mathematics to ages 16-18
>using origami?  Or have any suggestions as to how to justify its use
>in the teaching of mathematics to this age group?
>

     Well, I'm 19 now and a math a major. In high school I did as many
origami-realted math projects as I could...I did one project on the Golden
ratio and as part of that project I used similar triangles to show how to
get a golden rectangle from a square. A sketch of this proof can be found in
Kashara's Origami Omnibus. I took advantage of my class time and also gave
proofs for getting various other rectangles from a square, and how to divide
a square into 3rds, 5ths, and 7ths. And once the paper is divided into
fifths, who can resist folding Dave Brill's Box with Lid (which can be found
in Kenneway's Origami Paperfolding for Fun and Origami for the Connoisseur)?

     Origami Omnibus also has many geometric models, few of which are
encountered in your average high school geometry course. Another book that
may be of interest is Origami for the Connoisseur (and I know that's the
right spelling because the book's in front of me!), which discusses iso-area
folding and many other geometric ideas through paperfolding. Also, if you
happen to know Chinese, Viva! Origami (by Maekawa?) has what looks to me
like some interesting mathematical discussions.

     If you want more ideas, talk to Tom Hull; he's the real expert around
here on mathematics and origami :-)

-Eric

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 16:31:07 -0400
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Origami Newsletter.

The first '96 issue of the Origami Club of Pittsburgh's Newsletter will be
coming out soon (about a week).  For those of you who have subscribed as a
result of previous messages to origami-l:  THANKS!

The Origami Club of Pittsburgh is a not-for-profit organization dedicated to
spreading the joy and practice of Origami in and around the Pittsburgh area.
Newsletter subscriptions run on a calendar year basis.  For more info on the
Newsletter and the Pittsburgh club, check out:
            http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/usr/origami/home.html

If you are interested, but don't have web access, send me private email and
I'll send more info.

-Doug





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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 16:38:27 -0400
From: unhinged@yrkpa.kias.com
Subject: Re: start stories

I was glancing through the stacks at the local Waldenbooks where I work,
when I noticed a book which may have been the first book I found origami
in.  I had originally believed it was Maying Soong's book, but in fact
probably was "Curious George Rides a Bike" in which the famous little
monkey shows the reader how to make a boat an d a paper hat.

On Thu, 25 Jan 1996 DORIGAMI@aol.com wrote:

> I am loving the how I got started stories.  Let's have more of them from
> other people.  I also like a little something about the people I am talking
> to, and what they are doing with Origami.  I belong to FOLD, (an Origami
> zine) and we have gotten to know each other pretty well over the 10 years we
> have been writing to one another.  Dorigami





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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 16:39:25 -0400
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Call for Bird models!

[Those of you who belong to OUSA may have seen this in the latest "The Paper",
 but for those who missed it or who do not subscribe....]

The Origami Club of Pittsburgh, in conjunction with the National Aviary in
Pittsburgh, is presenting a display of bird models this summer.

We are looking for 300-600+ high quality bird models from both local and
national/ international folders.  For all the nitty gritty details and info,
please see the web page:
        http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/usr/origami/aviary-exhibit.html

If you don't have access to the web, and want the info, send me private email
and I'll send it to you!  Or send email to orgami@andrew.cmu.edu.  The curator
of the exhibit, Mark Kantrowitz, can also be reached by phone:  412.268.2582

Thanks!
        -Doug





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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 17:14:42 -0400
From: chall@scsn.net (Carol Hall)
Subject: how I got started...

Although I had picked up the American standards - newspaper hat and sailboat
- somewhere along the line (probably from my father who always needed to
have a hat), my first introduction to `origami' was through a very special
little book. My family had the great privilege of hosting an international
student from Japan one year when I was 10 years old.  She was a senior in
high school (and how two kids, 9 and 11, can coerce the sponsoring church
into placing an international student in a family without other high
schoolers is another story!). She brought with her the little chapbook of
origami diagrams which she had used as a small child.  It was completely in
Japanese, of course, and was well-used and covered with crayon marks. (I
still have it.) My sister had no interest in such things, but I was
fascinated.  Chieko left the book with me when she returned to Japan.  I had
not memorized the models -- I learned to read diagrams out of necessity!

After she left, I discovered it was difficult to find origami books and even
more difficult to find paper.  Whenever I was in a bookstore and found a
book I would grab it - Honda, Kasahara, Sakoda.  I didn't fold too much out
of them because of the lack of square paper.  Discovered that while I was
willing to spend much time and concentration folding, tearing all those
strips off of typing paper drove me crazy. (Hmm, I still seem to have that
tendency :-)  )

Chieko lived with us during the 1963-64 school year.  The best part of the
story occurred in 1994 when my mother and I got to visit her in Tokyo.  We
have kept in touch all these years; she now has 3 grown children.  One of
her daughters works with pre-schoolers.  She had huge notebooks of step
folds under page protectors for the kids to use.  Chieko, Satoko and I sat
up late those nights folding.  I loved being able to teach my Japanese niece
folds she hadn't seen which she could use with the children: the frog
puppet, 3-piece pig, butterfly ball... I came back from Japan loaded with
paper -- every member of her family gave me a gift of origami paper!  We had
a great time scouring bookstores for origami books.  They were amazed at the
complexity of models available, since they only really concentrated on the
ones which would interest young young children.

And the non-origami moral of this story: if you ever have the chance to host
an international student, do it!  You will enrich your life forever.

Carol Hall
chall@scsn.net





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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 17:28:53 -0400
From: Jennifer Andre <JAndre@cfipro.com>
Subject: Hey, Doug!

     Sorry, everyone, but maybe I speak for more than only myself...

     Doug, could you please include your private e-mail address in the text
     of messages to which you would like/accept private response?  I may be
     failing to see something or maybe my e-mail system cuts you off.  (I
     suspect the latter!)

     Thanks, friend!





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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 17:33:36 -0400
From: Jennifer Andre <JAndre@cfipro.com>
Subject: Origami start

     "Dorigami," (I love that!) thanks for asking for our stories.  I'm
     enjoying them, too.  It's interesting to see how we all ended up here,
     paper in hand.  This has turned out to be longish, so erase whenever
     you get bored!

     I think origami found me.  I was about 11, and my father and I were in
     a B. Dalton bookstore.  I don't even know how I happened to pick up
     Isao Honda (Honda Isao, for us Japanese purists)'s "World of Origami."
     Because he has always said, "Rule Number One is, 'Don't surprise
     Mother,'" he wrote down the name of the book.  A few days later, he
     brought me the book.  For paper, I tore old school papers (mostly old
     math assignments) into squares.  It's a good thing I was still
     outgrowing shoes then...

     Boxes of origami models piled up until I got too busy during later
     high school and college and forgot about the joys of the little paper
     treasures.

     I folded Honda's tiger (from an old math assignment I still had...) in
     1990, then almost nothing more until about a year ago when I put
     together my aunt's instructions for making earrings with the idea of
     using origami for the main attraction.  (A co-worker had reawakened my
     interest in folding.)

     This brings us to now.  I'm (ahem) "twenty-ten" and still wallowing
     about in my third childhood.  The same co-worker who inspired my
     getting out my shredding "World of Origami" helped me subscribe to
     this list.  Thanks to all of you, I've bought more books.  I'm even
     considering replacing my well-loved "World" with a new one...it's more
     than doubled in price!

     BTW...it's so exciting to go to a bookstore and tell my Significant
     Other (S.O.), "Hey!  I've seen messages from the author of that book!"

     I know, I know..."Shut up and fold!"  Gladly!

     One more thing:  whenever possible, please support small businesses.
     Please try to buy your books from locally-owned bookshops. Thank you!

     - Jennifer A. (JAndre@cfipro.com)





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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 17:57:53 -0400
From: Troy Tate <supertroy@wc2.tdh.state.tx.us>
Subject: Getting started....

Yes, another in a long list of those starting with Isao Honda's World
of Origami (WOG).  I was a young child when my family and I went to visit
relatives in San Francisco.  We visited the Chinatown area and I saw
all the colored origami paper in small packages and had to have some.
It was bought for me and I did all of the patterns in the package.

Well, somehow, I found out about OUSA and became a member at the
tender age of ten or so.  It was through OUSA that I bought my
treasured copy of WOG.  It was _several_ years (as others have said)
before the "folding fever" hit me again.  I made a deer from WOG last
year for my daughter's diorama for school.  I hadn't realized all of
the new artists who have made more realistic models until finding out
about this listserv and its members.

Thanks to all of you who are still folding and keeping it alive.  I
appreciate the authors who share their designs with us!

Troy

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Cutler/Williams, Inc.
Texas Department of Health
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ttate@wc2.tdh.state.tx.us
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Avoiding those who are "technically
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 18:03:26 -0400
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: moravian star?

FYI:

Despite the way soap TV has played fast & loose with history,
Moravia is a "real" historic geographic and cultural region of central
Czechoslovakia. The Moravian church is a Protestant denomination
founded in the 1700's in Germany by refugees from Moravian,
where it was persecuted as a Hussite heresy.

The Moravian Star is therefore probably one of the numerous
geometric folk tradition star patterns originating in many cultures,
in this case Czech. Many of these geometric folk patterns are
expressed in crafts from knitting, embroidery, rug making, painted wood,
and even paper cutting, and many therefore strongly resemble
each other. Moreover, trade between the various regions resulted
in exchange of folk art patterns, so that similar patterns such as
various stars occur in Eastern Europe, Scandinavia and even Islamic
countries (where representational art is discouraged).

--valerie
Valerie Vann
Internet:75070.304@compuserve.com





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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 18:07:26 -0400
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: My email address.

(*BLUSH*)
My email address, if you want to find out more about the Origami Club of
Pittsburgh, or anything origami related ;-), is:  dwp@transarc.com
-Doug





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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 21:53:05 -0400
From: Ingi and T <ingi_t@atc.ameritel.net>
Subject: Re: guitar model?

At 03:49 AM 1/23/96 -0400, you wrote:
>As a guitarist, I don't rate *any* of those I've seen - how about a
>Stratocaster (with tremolo arm & dot-markers) as a challenge?
>
>Nick Robinson
>
Ugh.

While you're at it, how 'bout a flute with working keys, and pretty good
tone quality (saltine crackers required eating before playing so the
moisture doesn't disturb the paper).

T in Maryland
ingi_t@atc.ameritel.net

"It's your own fault, you know."  -- T.





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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 22:17:07 -0400
From: Ingi and T <ingi_t@atc.ameritel.net>
Subject: Re: OR Origami Levels

For a bunch of paper folders, we sure seem to be thinking 2-D.

How about instead of "simple, intermediate, complex", we set up a grid:

Total number of creases
Number of simple folds (valleys, mountains, squashes, etc.)
Number of intermediate folds (sinks, etc.)
Number of advanced folds (irregular (like J.Montroll's five sided square -
Animal Origami for the Enthusiast))
Three dimensional difficultly rating
Assembly difficulty

Of course, the "etc." should be defined, and probably a few more categories
added.  Perhaps one of our mathmaticians out there can come up with a
sliding scale to give an average overall score.

I do not volunteer to be the one to evaluate every model in the world by
this, though.  Hmmmm, do you think a monstrous on-line database could handle it?

T in Maryland
ingi_t@atc.ameritel.net

"One of our difficulties today stems from the fact that we desire the state
of being loved rather than the challenge of loving."  -- The Estranged God





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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 00:39:21 -0400
From: "NIGEL POTTLE, TEACHER-LIBRARIAN, WOODLANDS ELEM. SCHOOL"@Owl.nstn.ca
Subject: Moravia

Sorry this isn't really origami related, except as addenda to the
Moravian star request. According to my Webster's Dictionary, the Movavians
were a protestant denomination arising from a 15th century religios movement
in Bohemia and Moravia. I wanted to make the point because, although they
may have groups in the south, I heard about them because of the Moravian
missions to the Innu (or Inuit) (known as eskimos in the U.S) in
Labrador, now part of the province of Newfoundland and Labrador.

Nigel Pottle
npottle@cbe.ab.ca





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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 00:49:13 -0400
From: "NIGEL POTTLE, TEACHER-LIBRARIAN, WOODLANDS ELEM. SCHOOL"@Owl.nstn.ca
Subject: Eastern Dragons

As a school librarian I could not resist mentioning two of my favourite
children's books which contain eastern dragons. They are actually by
westerners, so may be idealized, but do check them out if you can, since they
might inspire some intriguing new folds.
The first is Everyone Knows What a Dragon Looks Like by Mercer Mayer,
illustrated by Jay Williams. The second is The Dragon's Pearl by Julie Lawson
illustrated by Paul Morin. Paul won the Canadian Governor-General's medal
for children's illustration for his work which was inspired by a lengthy trip
he took through China. The pictures have incredible texture partly because
he used real dirt and grass in the paint.

Check them out if you can. (I suddenly think Paul won the award for another
book, The Orphan Boy by Tololwa Mollel), but The Dragon's Pearl is
gorgeous.

Nigel Pottle
npottle@cbe.ab.ca





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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 00:50:17 -0400
From: "BOB T. LYNCH" <blynch@du.edu>
Subject: Lang's "Origami Animals"

Hi all -

You may want to check your nearest Waldenkids or Waldenbooks... today I found
three copies of Robert Lang's wonderful "Origami Animals" for (sorry Robert)
$5.98! If you don't have this book run to the nearest Waldens and see if they
have it (for $5.98 or otherwise!). There are some great models in there,
including a really cute Edwin Corrie Koala and a Grey (?) Whale by Robert
(which I have made part of my "by heart" repertoire)

Dee
blynch@du.edu





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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 00:54:31 -0400
From: "BOB T. LYNCH" <blynch@du.edu>
Subject: Re:  Moravia

I LOVE this list - a week ago I didn't know anyplace called Moravia even
existed - let alone had a star names for it and missionaries to the Inuit!





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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 01:33:05 -0400
From: knuffke@sirius.com (Charles Knuffke)
Subject: Re: Brilliant origami?

>> Does anyone have David Brill's new book, Brilliant Origami?

>Unlikely, since it's not been release yet! Tentatively within a couple of
>months....  Worth waiting for - I've seen it!

This comes as a surprise to me! Brilliant Origami is listed in the October
1995 edition of "The Origami Source" orderform (the OrigamiUSA book and
paper store). Maybe they listed it prematurely??? I hope not, since it was
on my last order, which should arrive in about a week. I'll let you know
the outcome.

FYI - The Origami Source's mini-review on the book says...
A collection of origami models binding the "analytic, highly detailed and
engineered" look of the East with the "minimal and artistic" sensibilities
of the West. Models include toys, a book, walking man, spectacles, boxes
and containers, spiky star, matchbox; wet folding techniques include a
witch, reindeer and Pinocchio. 240 pp. Paperback. Intermediate to Complex.
$19.00

*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
Charles Knuffke               knuffke@sirius.com
153 Divisadero
San Francisco CA 94104
          "Amen the Thunderbolt in the Dark Void"





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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 03:16:28 -0400
From: Nick Robinson <Nick@homelink.demon.co.uk>
Subject: sorry for NORM post!

Hi there - sorry about the largish file my software (cough) posted to
you all by mistake. Hope you enjoyed it!

Nick Robinson

NORM = non-origami-related-material ;)





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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 05:42:49 -0400
From: Fran Schwamm <schwammf@emh.yokota.af.mil>
Subject: Re: Hey, Doug! -- use <h> while in msg

Hi Jennifer & others,

On my "system" (and I believe also on others) if you hit <h> while on/in a
message you will get a "full" heading with the sender's info.  I have been
Internetting for about a year and a half and "someone" told me a while
back, but it's only been within this last week that I understood the
significance and have used several times already!

If this is not "universal", I'd like to know. I believe it may be possible

Are WE having fun yet?
(^_^) Fran <schwammf@emh.yokota.af.mil>





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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 06:39:51 -0400
From: DORIGAMI@aol.COM
Subject: Re: start stories (me too)1

I LOVE the got started stories.....let's have more of them....I have often
wondered how the popularity of Origami has burgeoned so much in the last 30
years.....I will keep a file of all of the stories and make a list of them
when we get a goodly number.  I think we will gain a lot of insights with
this sort of survey.  Tell us what doing Origami lead to in your life, too.
Dorigami.





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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 10:48:32 -0400
From: casida@ere.umontreal.ca (Casida Mark)
Subject: Re: Eastern Dragons

Nigel Pottle mentionned

> Everyone Knows What a Dragon Looks Like by Mercer Mayer,

I looked this over once in a bookstore.  I really liked this one and
would have bought it had we children.

                           ... Mark

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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 11:51:20 -0400
From: Rjlang@aol.com
Subject: Rating Origami and Other Endeavors

>>>>
How about instead of "simple, intermediate, complex", we set up a grid:
Total number of creases
Number of simple folds (valleys, mountains, squashes, etc.)
Number of intermediate folds (sinks, etc.)
Number of advanced folds (irregular (like J.Montroll's five sided square -
Animal Origami for the Enthusiast))
Three dimensional difficultly rating
Assembly difficulty
[...]
<<<<

Having watched this thread for a while, I kinda thought it was time to chime
in. Origami "difficulty" is inherently multidimensional since there are many
different criteria that contribute to a model's difficulty. You could imagine
representing a model by a vector in "difficulty-space" with 5 or 10 different
components ranking different aspects of difficulty. Even if you could
mathematically define all these different components (which I doubt is
possible), a function that would project such a vector onto a one-dimensional
(linear) scale, such as the familiar OUSA scale (simple - low intermediate -
high intermediate - complex - sadistic), would be highly arbitrary.

A similar situation occurs in a different field -- rock-climbing, which
shares with origami the property that a really gnarly problem can totally
trash your 'tips (of course, in origami, if you screw up, only the paper gets
ripped), so we might learn something by seeing how climbers dealt with the
problem.

In climbing, a few standard routes were originally established to define
numbered levels of difficulty and subsequent climbs were fit into that
framework. Despite the wide variation in climbing moves required (crack
jamming, face edging, off-width thrashing -- perhaps analogous to reverse
fold, rabbit-ear, and closed-sink), there is general agreement on current
climbing ratings. Although the original choice and rating of climbs was done
by a consensus of several climbers, the custom now is that the first ascender
of a new route assigns the difficulty rating, and by and large, that system
seems to work.

So perhaps a solution to establishing a rating scale in origami is not to try
to establish a strict mathematical measure of difficulty but to continue to
use the general "feeling" of difficulty of a model and let the designer of
the model set the rating (using consensus for traditional models or those
whose designers have passed away). One problem with the current American
4-level origami rating system (S, LI, HI, C) is that _everything_ harder than
High Intermediate now gets tossed into Complex, so that Complex currently
contains (IMHO) at least as wide a range of difficulty as exists between
Simple and High Intermediate. (The same situation arose in U.S. climbing
during the '60s, which is why the American scale that originally ran from 5.0
to 5.9 was converted to an open-ended scale adding 5.10 through 5.14 to
date.) So we could add subrankings to Complex models: C1, C2, C3, and so
forth, as harder models make their appearance in coming years.

There are other numerical measures in climbing that have analogs in origami
as well. A climbing "Grade" (using Roman numerals) rates the length of a
route independently of its difficulty; Yoshino's T. Rex Skeleton, while not a
terribly hard model, fills an entire book, and thus might be rated C1, Grade
VI. Similarly, on some climbs, the consequences of a fall are denoted by a
letter appended to the route (R = You Be Hurtin', X = Baggie Time) and a
similar system could be used to indicate the likelihood of a rip or blowout
in the paper if you miss a landmark.

It could be argued that the establishment of a scale in climbing spurred the
development of the sport by giving climbers something tangible to shoot for.
The same thing could happen in origami! I picture a future convention when
the talk is how Hatori-san red-pointed a Montroll C5 while Kirschenbaum put
up the first Grade VII C4. We can make it happen!

Then again, perhaps I'm getting carried away...

Robert





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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 11:51:36 -0400
From: kkinney@med.unc.edu (Kevin Kinney)
Subject: Phoenix?

Hi all,
        Time for yet another model request.
        With the discussion of fanciful animals, I got to wondering if
anyone out there has a model of a phoenix.  And before you start, I'm not
positive what would say "phoenix" definitively, other than, say, actually
having it erupting from flames.  Otherwise, I'd guess that a nice peacock
(say Montroll's on Origami Sculptures) in red or orange would do, but I'd
welcome any thoughts, or specific models.

Kevin Kinney
kkinney@med.unc.edu





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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 12:10:58 -0400
From: casida@ere.umontreal.ca (Casida Mark)
Subject: Re: Phoenix?

I was just introduced to some differences between the Eastern
(Chinese, anyway) phoenix and our Western phoenix (which I
believe originated in ancient Egypt).  The Chinese phoenix
has the distinction of being the king of the birds and its
most visual characteristics seem to be associated with
its intricate and colorful plumage.  The Western phoenix
is of course the bird which raises anew from the flames
every 100 years (?) and which I always imagine as a golden
bird.

I've been following the thread about Western versus Eastern
dragons and have learned a lot.  Can anyone else contribute to a
thread about Eastern versus Western phoenixes?

                           ... Mark

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|          Mark E. Casida                               |
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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 12:39:21 -0400
From: "Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy)" <sychen@ENH.NIST.GOV>
Subject: Re: start stories

Here is my story...

I was born in Taiwan. I began to love origami when I bought my 1st Chinese
origami book around my 4th(?) grade in elementary school.  No one introduced
that book. I just picked it up by myself in a local book store. Book title
can be translated as "Paper Folding Creation Primer". I folded several
models in the book and did enjoy it. Thereafter I bought several other books
(in Chinese too). But none of them were as good as the first bought book! I
did not count how many. (more than 10 I believe) I did have a little
creations and kept it till my junior high school. There is an uncut crab
model (8 legs, 2 craws, no eyes) which I could never finish it. It was
unbelievable to me to make a crab like this without cutting at that time.
This hobby gradually died off in my senior high and college years which I
could hardly remember. And all of my works were gone then. (I don't know
where they are) I still liked to fiddle with papers occasionally.

I came to USA for my graduate study. One day I browsed a local book store in
Lafayette, Indiana and saw a book, "Origami Zoo" by Lang and Weiss. This one
got all my attention and re-enlightened my origami interests. Crab model in
the front cover of the book really impressed me. I did not realize there
were really some masters in western world till I looked at that book.  There
after I bought several English origami books. They are treasures of my
collections now.

After moving to Gaithersburg, Maryland for my new job, I was thinking about
reaching out my own origami world. I played around the internet and found
Origami-List (No one told me this! No one told me this!). This list brought
my origami interest to summit. I do have a new look about origami and know
origami internationally wide.  That's how I found local folding group and
OUSA convention. I have never been in convention. I will go! I will go! I
promise!

Since I restarted my origami life in USA. I have known little about what
happening in Taiwan right now. This might be the next project of my own
interests.

---------------------------------------------------
Sy Chen <sychen@enh.nist.gov>
Origami Page - http://www.iia.org/~chens/pprfld.htm





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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 12:42:48 -0400
From: unhinged@yrkpa.kias.com
Subject: Origami Legacy

What origami led to?  Well, it gave me a 99% on a standardized test
portion dealing with mentally folding unfolded cube patterns.. :)

Also met a young woman on the list when I signed on.  I suppose that's a
function of "origami".





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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 12:46:19 -0400
From: unhinged@yrkpa.kias.com
Subject: Re: Phoenix?

There's an "Archeoptrx" (sp?) in one of Kasahara's books, I think
Connoisseur.  It sort of resembles a phoenix with pleating..

On Fri, 26 Jan 1996, Kevin Kinney wrote:

> Hi all,
>       Time for yet another model request.
>       With the discussion of fanciful animals, I got to wondering if
> anyone out there has a model of a phoenix.  And before you start, I'm not
> positive what would say "phoenix" definitively, other than, say, actually
> having it erupting from flames.  Otherwise, I'd guess that a nice peacock
> (say Montroll's on Origami Sculptures) in red or orange would do, but I'd
> welcome any thoughts, or specific models.
>
> Kevin Kinney
> kkinney@med.unc.edu





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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 12:50:16 -0400
From: hull@hypatia.math.uri.edu
Subject: Re: Teaching and mathematics

Hoopla!  A few days ago Sarah Goodall wrote:

> Does anyone have any experience of teaching mathematics to ages 16-18
> using origami?  Or have any suggestions as to how to justify its use
> in the teaching of mathematics to this age group?

        While I'm not a high school teacher, I do have a little
experience with this age group.  The hardest part about providing
suggestions for this kind of thing is that there really aren't
any (that I know of) good references for this age group.  (Although
Rona Gurkewitz and Bennet Arnstein's (sp?) new book on Modular
Origami may he a help - I haven't read it yet.)  But I can make
two suggestions for origami-math projects.

(1) Explore 3-D polyhedra using Sonobe Units.
        You can make representations of any Platonic or Archamedian
solid using the Sonobe Unit.  (I prefer the simplified Sonobe Unit
from "Origami for the Connisseur" (sp?))  This is GREAT for the
high school geometry class for many reasons.  First, the units
are simple and don't take a lot of origami training to fold.
Second, you can start with the 6-piece "cube" (actually, it's a
tetrahedron) and the 12-piece octahedron, both of which are projects
that can be completed in one classtime (each).  More advanced or
ambitious students can then try the 30-piece icosahedron.  Third,
the final objects the Sonobe Unit makes don't *really* look like
what they're representing.  E.g., the 12-piece octahedron doesn't
look like an octahedron - it looks like an octahedron with
pyramids placed on each face.  (And the 6-piece "cube" is really
a tetrahedron with pyramids placed on each face!)  Understanding
this structure can be very challenging for students since it
requires a little abstract thinking, but I believe that it also
generates a much deeper knowledge of 3-D polyhedra.  You can't
just slap units together and hope to make an octahedron - you
need to understand the structure of the octahedron *in your mind*
in order to create an origami version.  These are, admitedly,
challenging projects, but students tend to love making these
shapes and that always provides enough motivation.
        I know that "Connisseur" is out of print, but the Sonobe
Unit also appears in some of Fuse's books, I believe.  There are
also other units that work wonderfully in the high school classroom.
If there's enough interest I could try posting ASCII diagrams for
the more simple ones.

(2) Straight Edge & Compass (SE&C) constructions vs. Origami Constructions
        If your geometry class already studies SE&C constructions,
why not compaire it to origami constructions?  It can be very illuminating
to explain to students *why* you can't trisect angles with SE&C, but
you can with origami.  (Answer: you can't solve cubic equations with
SE&C, but you can with origami.)  There has been several articles
written on this stuff.  Most of the good ones are hard to find, but
I wrote an intoduction to all this in the COET95 proceedings
(available through OUSA), and the latest issue of the Mathematics
Magazine has a good article on this as well.  There's also a .ps
file (called orinote.ps, I think) in the articles subdirectory in the
archives which describes how to trisect an angle via origami.  (BTW,
this note will appear in the March 1996 issue of the American Mathematical
Monthly.)

        I know I said 2 projects, but...

(3) Kazo Haga's "Origamics" projects!
        The past 3 issues of ORU have had articles by Kazo Haga
educational exercises in what he calls "origamics", which is meant
to mean exploring the geometry of origami without folding anything
specific, like a cat or dog.  These articles *are* in Japanese, but
you can get the gist of them if you squint at the pictures for
long enough.  Here's an example of one, which I previously wrote
about in a past issue of the OUSA Newsletter:
        Take a square piece of paper and draw a dot at random on the
paper.  Then fold each corner of the paper to this random dot.
Then unfold and examine the creases.  Depending on where your dot
was located the creases will outline either a square, pentagon or
hexagon.  E.g., if your dot was in the exact center of the square
then this would be a blintz fold and the creases would form a square.
The question is: where must this random dot be positioned to get
a pentagon, and where must it be to get a hexagon?  A "solution"
to this problem was posted in the OUSA Newsletter by some junior
high school kids, but it was incorrect.  (And the folks at the
Newsletter didn't check it with me first! Har!)  But this is a very
fun, interesting problem, and well within the means of any
high school class as a project.

        I hope that helps!  It's very difficult to provide suggestions
for origami-math (i.e., origametry) education on the internet.
For example, you can't use Sonobe Units to teach 3-D polyhedral
geometry unless you yourself have played extensively with it
beforehand.  Thus, whenever a teacher asks me for ideas, I almost
always have to tell them to play around with origami by themselves
first!
        However, I will be running a 3-hour workshop on using
origami in the math classroom at the October 1996 NCTM meeting
in Baltimore.  Any math teachers out there should keep an eye
out for that if they'd liek to learn more.

--------- Tom "too much math, too little time" Hull





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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 13:51:55 -0400
From: Kevin Thorne <c598033@showme.missouri.edu>
Subject: Getting started.

        I first discovered Orgami at the age of 5 while living in Red
Devil, Alaska.  It's a remote village of only 50 people with access to
the outside world only through airplanes.  We ordered supplied from
Anchorage and my mom had this catalog with an $0.88 cent section that she
would allow me and my brothers to order from.  That's where I got my
first origami.  The package consisted of 10 sheets of paper and a single
page with very simple models-crane, dog, goldfish, etc.
        I immediately became very interested and was able to order a
simple book (I can't remember which) from Anchorage.  This helped to
start developing my skills.  After 4 years in Alaska we moved back to the
civilized world (lower 48) and I was able to find Honda's World of
Origami, an excellent beginers book.  Although finding paper was also a
difficulty for me, the public libraries where I lived all had at least 1
book on the subject so I continued my work.
        Next came Complete Origami and Origami Omnibus which I worked on
for quite a while.  These 2 developed my skills at precise folding of
even complex models.  (I have models made in progressional stages, the
same model folded awkwardly at first then perfectly finally)
        I didn't meet another single person who knew anything about
Origami until I came to college where I also found this group.  Many of
you have helped me find the most complex models available(which I like
most to fold) and also enhanced my abilaty at creating my own, which I
will always be thankful of.  Keep up the good work!!!

Kevin Thorne
c598033@showme.missouri.edu





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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 14:01:35 -0400
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re:  Moravia

>> didn't now [Moravia] existed...>>

Watch out there, you're telling the whole world
you don't watch soap/trash TV or read romance novels??
That's almost un-American!
:-)
Moravia is one of the classic obscure principalities that the
mysterious dark stranger is the Count or Prince of, when
he whisks the heroine off to the family castle, complete
with family ghosts, secret passages and sinister old
family retainers...

--valerie





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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 17:17:49 -0400
From: Bill Hall <billhall@computek.net>
Subject: Re: Hey, Doug! -- use <h> while in msg

Fran Schwamm wrote:

> If this is not "universal", I'd like to know. I believe it may be possible
> to "suppress" this info .. by personal choice???

No, not a universal. I use a PC, Windows 95, and Netscape. I don't think
     there's a way to
suppress this information in Netscape.

--
Eschew obfuscation.
Bill Hall <billhall@computek.net>
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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 17:29:25 -0400
From: rshuster@netaxs.com (Bob Shuster)
Subject: my origami pages

I finally got around to seperating my origami hotlist from the rest of the
huge hotlist.  Actually broke the hotlist up into six parts.  You can go
directly to the origami hotlist by using the following URL:

http://www.newtech.net/webwerks/hotori.html

Or you can still get to it from my origami page at:

http://www.newtech.net/webwerks/origami.html

If you go to the hotlist and find any URLs that need updating or some that
I've missed and should be included, please email me and let me know!  Happy
Folding!  - Bob

      = = =      /| Bob Shuster -  Composer/Arranger/Copyist/MIDI & Computer
[>----|-|-|-----/ |  Consultant (& trumpet!) - now Web Page Design too!
  (___|_|_|____)\ |  email: rshuster@netaxs.com       phone: 215-927-4928
      " " "      \|  music: http://www.newtech.net/webwerks/musikwerks.html
                         web design: http://www.newtech.net/webwerks/





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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 18:21:05 -0400
From: "Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy)" <sychen@ENH.NIST.GOV>
Subject: Re: Brilliant origami?

At 01:34 AM 1/26/96 -0400, you wrote:
>
>
>This comes as a surprise to me! Brilliant Origami is listed in the October
>1995 edition of "The Origami Source" orderform (the OrigamiUSA book and
>paper store). Maybe they listed it prematurely??? I hope not, since it was
>on my last order, which should arrive in about a week. I'll let you know
>the outcome.
>

I have a short visit on Bookserve ( http://www.bookserve.com/us/index.HTM)
I found Brilliant Origami in surprise too! You may go directly into origami
titles (http://www.bookserve.com/cgi-win/w3.exe?O22_us_st:origami)
or jump into this book only
(http://www.bookserve.com/cgi-win/w3.exe?C:208584_6_1001_1).

Does it mean we can get it elsewhere?
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Sy Chen <sychen@enh.nist.gov>
Origami Page - http://www.iia.org/~chens/pprfld.htm
