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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 02:59:29 -0400
From: "BOB T. LYNCH" <blynch@du.edu>
Subject: dragons

With all the discussion about fragons, could someone please explain to me the
difference between a western dragon and an eastern dragon? Is it the eastern
dragons are like those you see in Chinese parades - long and slinky, while
western dragons are like the firebreathing St Georde and the dragon type?

Dee
blynch@du.edu





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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 03:33:24 -0400
From: Nick Robinson <Nick@homelink.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Paper - ori or not?

I have to agree with you - I use ori-paper for creating/doodling, but
as soon as I have a finished design, it's off to the scrap box to find
something suitable. There is so much attractive paper about (even if it
needs cutting down to size) and you can make something larger than the
average.

 Nick Robinson





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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 10:00:26 -0400
From: marmonk@eskimo.com (Mark Morden)
Subject: Re: dragons

>
>With all the discussion about fragons, could someone please explain to me the
>difference between a western dragon and an eastern dragon? Is it the eastern
>dragons are like those you see in Chinese parades - long and slinky, while
>western dragons are like the firebreathing St Georde and the dragon type?
>
>Dee
>blynch@du.edu
>
>
>

This has nothing to do with your question, but it is the only bit of dragon
trivia that I know.  In Chinese depictions of dragons, 4-fingered dragons
are malevolent and 5-fingered dragons are benevolent.  Thats my 2 cents.

Mark

Mark Morden == marmonk@mail.eskimo.com
--------------------------------------------------------
I believe in Christianity as I belive in the rising sun;
not because I see it but by it I see all else.
                                           C.S. Lewis





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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 11:47:39 -0400
From: "Weinstein, Michael" <michaelw@bdg10.niddk.nih.gov>
Subject: Dragons

Chinese dragons are good and wise, and are long and slinky sans wings.
Western dragons are winged, malevalent beasties.  A number of good dragons
are in a little book by Tom Stamm, whose title I can't remember, but is
probably something like "Dragon Origami".  I believe its available through
Origami USA.





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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 12:16:26 -0400
From: slider@ims.mariposa.ca.us (Pat Slider)
Subject: Re: Paper - washi?

I just got some beautiful washi paper from Bren Riesinger
(fascinating-folds.com).  I have been wanting to fold this kind paper
more...seems very different than folding other paper and quite enjoyable to
me.

So far I have folded washi butterflies and cranes -- Does anyone have some
recommendations for models that show off great paper? Something simple with
large flat surfaces?

pat slider.





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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 12:36:19 -0400
From: ACPQUINN@myriad.middlebury.edu
Subject: moravian star?

Greetings all ...
A friend of mine recently asked if I could design for her a Moravian star.
I had no idea what this was, so I had her draw one for me. Apparently it has\
two long points pointing up and down, a ring of 8 shorter points around the
middle, and two rings of short points on either side of the center ring. All
in all the points total 26, around a spherical base.  She said it looks more
like a mace than anything else, really.  If anyone has seen or developed a
model for such an object, please tell me and save me developing one on my own!
Thanks! ;)
-Alasdair
acpquinn@myriad.middlebury.edu





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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 13:15:48 -0400
From: "Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy)" <sychen@ENH.NIST.GOV>
Subject: Re: dragons

At 03:03 AM 1/19/96 -0400, you wrote:
>
>With all the discussion about fragons, could someone please explain to me the
>difference between a western dragon and an eastern dragon? Is it the eastern
>dragons are like those you see in Chinese parades - long and slinky, while
>western dragons are like the firebreathing St Georde and the dragon type?
>
>Dee
>blynch@du.edu
>
>

Chinese dragon is an auspicious mythical being in China. People believe
emperor is a descendant from TRUE dragon in heaven. In the year of dragon
birth rate soars abnormally high in Taiwan! As not being brought up in
western world I have little knowledge about western dragon.

Well here is another Chinese model I know (in the first origami book I got)

A Chinese dragon folded using a similar technique as in SENBAZURU (1000
paper cranes).
Finished model is really really cool! (if you don't think cutting is SIN)
I only saw the photo of finished model. No idea about folding procedures!
---------------------------------------------------
Sy Chen <sychen@enh.nist.gov>
Origami Page - http://www.iia.org/~chens/pprfld.htm





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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 15:10:53 -0400
From: Angelica Freire <yu105050@yorku.ca>
Subject: Washi?

Hey everyone!  I'm just a beginner in origami and I'm learning and trying
out some new projects.  However I do not know all of the terms of this
paper art.  Would anyone like to help me and explain to me what washi
is?  I came across this word...and I don't know what it means. Help!

Thanks,
Angelica Freire





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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 15:20:17 -0400
From: Richard Kennedy <KENNEDRA@ibm3090.bham.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Re: Advanced models source?

Origami for the Connoiseur

Although this book may be out of print in the US, this book is listed as
available by all the major bookshops in Birmingham, England. They also
list Origami Omnibus as being available. None of them carry these books as
standard stock, all were confident they could provide a copy in a month.
Perhaps this could give you some leverage?

Richard K.
(R.A.Kennedy@birmingham.ac.uk)





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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 15:37:33 -0400
From: casida@ere.umontreal.ca (Casida Mark)
Subject: Re: origami level

Too what extent is the level of an origami model really the
level of the model and to what extent is it the level of
communication of the diagrams?  (Didn't I hear somewhere that
there are even pureland methods for folding a crane base using
only valley and mountain folds?)
                                         ... Mark
--
*-------------------------------------------------------*
|          Mark E. Casida                               |
|          e-mail: casida@chimcn.umontreal.ca           |





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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 15:40:36 -0400
From: Iron Will Dawes <wdawes@cs.nmsu.edu>
Subject: Chinese Zodiac?

SY-
  What's this about a new book by John Montroll? I am a huge fan of
Mr. Montroll's designs and would love any information you could offer
about that book. Has it been released yet? Have you seen any of the
models or read a review or anything?
                              -Will





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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 15:47:43 -0400
From: Jim Hollister 512-356-7027 <Jim.Hollister@sematech.org>
Subject: Rose

          I liked the idea of giving origami roses as a Valentine's Day gift
          so I've been researching different rose designs. I found about 10
          designs in the OriIndex archive. Is there one that stands out as a
          nice one that an intermediate folder could handle? I found a
          postscript file that shows how to make "Base for Kawasaki's Rose".
          Is this a good one and are there more parts to it?





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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 15:57:01 -0400
From: John Smith <jon.pure@paston.co.uk>
Subject: Re: origami level

I did quite a lot of research into fold difficulty for my paper on
'Forgiving Folding' at COET95. This was with the idea of trying to make
Origami easier for handicapped people.

I tried to identify the process we go through in folding, and then look at
the difficulties that can arise.
Some of the key issues which affect fold difficulty are:-

1. Communication

That is understanding what one has to do in the next step.

2. Orientation

Given that I understand what is to be done I still have to find orientate my
model to the instructions.

3. Location

I must find out exactly where the fold or folds are to be made in this next
step.

4. Manipulation.

In general the more folds which have to be managed in the step the more
difficult it is. Also the number of layers which have to be managed can make
things more difficult. Where we are using modular construction then the
location of assembly, and the handling of the assembly are relevant.

5. Number of steps.

As the number of steps increase so does the dependency on accuracy earlier on.

6. Physical

The size of the model at the particular step matters, as does the ability of
the material to take a fold easily

So if we require simple models then given good instructions, we should
require only valley or mountain folds in one square of paper, with all
significant landmarks easily identifiable, not more than about 12 steps.This
is what I have called Pureland.

 Of course the capability and experience of the folder is important but I
don't think that this affects the above ideas.

It is worth noting that in minimal folding we seek to capture the essence of
the object in the fewest possible folds. Often this means there are no
landmarks. Minimal folding can be very difficult.

A very complex model will usual have 900 or more steps, and require a great
many complex manipulations including sinks with a great many layers. If
there are difficult landmarks as well and we are required to handle very
thick layers then I would be doubtful whether this is really elegant origami
at all.

In my paper to COET95 I gave an additive scale so that would could get a
value for the difficulty of the model.

regards John.

John Smith
Norwich
England
e-mail  jon.pure@paston.co.uk





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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 16:19:27 -0400
From: Nick Robinson <Nick@homelink.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Ted Norminton's daffodil

As luck would have it, I'm picking up Ted Norminton at his canal barge
tommorrow, en route to a mini-meeting in Stockport. I'll pass on your
good wishes & see if he has anthing new - there's a BOS booklet of his
work awaiting fund to print it ;(

-- Nick Robinson





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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 17:05:24 -0400
From: slider@ims.mariposa.ca.us (Pat Slider)
Subject: Re: Washi?

>Hey everyone!  I'm just a beginner in origami and I'm learning and trying
>out some new projects.  However I do not know all of the terms of this
>paper art.  Would anyone like to help me and explain to me what washi
>is?  I came across this word...and I don't know what it means. Help!
>
>
>Thanks,
>Angelica Freire

Washi traditionally refers to hand-made paper from Japan; although some of
it is machine-made these days.

It is much thicker than standard origami squares and so not very
appropriate for most complex models...but according to Eric Kenneway,
"washi can withstand several thousand vertical folds compared to mere
hundreds in the case of other paper."  Kenneway goes on to say how washi
paper is traditionally used for important documents (i.e. the Treaty of
Versailles) because of its durability.

I myself find it a joy to fold...and the prints almost seem to glow.

By the way, I strongly recommend Eric Kenneway's book "Complete Origami"
for looking up all these "terms".  I find this book quite useful  -- sort
of an origami encyclopedia with lots of fun diagrams.

pat slider.

Bren Riesinger (email: fascfold@fascinating-folds.com) has a nice catalog
of washi paper.  Mine came with a little paper sample, so for a hands-on
"washi" experience :->, email for a catalog!





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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 17:51:06 -0400
From: Iron Will Dawes <wdawes@cs.nmsu.edu>
Subject: Washi

  Pat Slider gave an excellent description of washi. While in Japan, I
was able to visit the washibunko ("museum of paper") in Yatsuo. As an
origami enthusiast, it was very enjoyable.
  Washi has two (at least) qualities which are very desirable for
folders:

1. It is handwashed and generally has very beautiful patterns and
texture.
2. It is usually distributed in enormous rolls and dealers will cut it
to the purchaser's requested dimensions and geometric configuration.

  If any of you ever go to Kyuushu, I would strongly advise stopping
by the washibunko. Yatsuo is very close to the major city of Toyama.
                              -Will

_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
_/                                              _/
_/      "In origami, crossing the divide is a   _/
_/       spiritual act. Is the model immanent   _/
_/       in the paper, or is the square a       _/
_/       blank slate to be written on by the    _/
_/       creator? Does each model possess a     _/
_/       set of phylogenetic rules governing    _/
_/       its shape and structure? In the        _/
_/       morphogenesis of the model, how do     _/
_/       local(cellular) and global(organismic) _/
_/       structures meet? Like natural          _/
_/       selection - or God - does the folder   _/
_/       impose a teleology on a blind,         _/
_/       mechanical process? The answers are    _/
_/       remote and elusive - as elusive as     _/
_/       the origin of life."                   _/
_/                  -M.C. Escher    _/





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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 18:01:49 -0400
From: Gretchen Klotz <gren@agora.rdrop.com>
Subject: Origami Resources Request

Greetings -

I'm developing a brochure on origami resources in the Pacific Northwest,
with additional information on national organizations/catalogs such as
OUSA and Fascinating Folds, and electronic resources such as origami-l and
the various "central" http sites.  I plan to distribute it when I teach or
show origami.

If you would like me to include *your* favorite store (or whatever) in
Oregon or Washington, please send me private email with the following
information:

Business Name, Address and Phone

Do they Carry:

        Precut Paper (must be a good selection)

        Other Paper (suitable for cutting and folding)

        Origami Books in English (again, must be a good selection)

        Origami Books in Japanese

Other Comments

By "good selection" I mean more than Alex papers and those little origami
booklets.  In my personal experience, those are not difficult to come by.
If I'm going to make a car trip somewhere, I want to make sure it'll be
worth it!  (Okay, so I'm an ori-snob...)

Please let me know if there is anything else *you* would want to see on
such a brochure (even if you're not from the PNW).  And if you know of
something like this that already exists, point me to it!  Thanks much.

- Gretchen

--
gren@agora.rdrop.com         http://admin.ogi.edu/~gren/





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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 18:03:46 -0400
From: sychen@ENH.NIST.GOV (S.Y. Chen)
Subject: Re: Chinese Zodiac?

>SY-
>  What's this about a new book by John Montroll? I am a huge fan of
>Mr. Montroll's designs and would love any information you could offer
>about that book. Has it been released yet? Have you seen any of the
>models or read a review or anything?
>                                        -Will

As a memeber of Capital Folder I got some chance to look at some draft
diagram and proof folding them. But I was always distracted by other things
(my daughter) during folding time.  I have never finished any of the
models. The diagram and model do maintain Montroll's style.
Except 12 zodiac animals there are other mythical beings such as cerberus,
pegasus, ...etc.

John is on this list. It would be better for him to release more informations.

Some of the local folders here do outstanding jobs for proof-folding his
diagrams. They might have some comments. I have not been in the local
meeting for a while.

Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. SY)
E-Mail: chens@iia.org or sychen@enh.nist.gov
Origami Page - http://www.iia.org/~chens/pprfld.htm





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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 18:21:43 -0400
From: Lillian_Sun@mail.amsinc.com
Subject: Re: Chinese Zodiac?

          The lucky folks who can attend the DC area Capitol Folders
          meetings have the privilege of "test driving" John
          Montroll's latest and greatest.  I have seen the models, and
          they are GREAT!!!!!

          Cheers,
          Lillian





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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 21:09:46 -0400
From: PamGotcher@aol.com
Subject: Ice Skater Model?

Does anyone on the list know of an ice skater model?  I haven't found one
yet, and am still looking.  Thanks!  (OK, Richard, don't laugh;^))
Pam
PamGotcher@aol.com





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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 21:59:35 -0400
From: Ingi and T <ingi_t@atc.ameritel.net>
Subject: Re: Paper

Hi all!!!  I just got back from a trip to a convention.  I discovered a
great source of paper...

Out at dinner, the first night, we stopped at a lovely Italian restaurant
(even the straws were uncooked pasta).  Out came this silver dish with
bread.  Lining the dish was some really cool black and white checkered
paper.  Yes, both the bread and paper disappeared.  My dad thought perhaps
we could use it for chessboards (we were running a live action role playing
game(larpg) at a convention that included chess, origami, and maritial arts
competitions and didn't have enough chess sets).  Naturally, I won out, and
the paper became a star box.

The waitress came back.  "Is everything all right?"

Dad, completely serious, said, "See that dish there?  Notice anything missing?"

The waitress grimiced.  "I'll get you some bread immediately, Sir."

"Ah, no.  No more bread.  Notice anything else missing?"

"Um."

Dad grinned patiently.  My sister-in-law looked like she wanted to crawl
under the table.

"Paper?" she said finally, looking seriously doubtful.

"Why, yes, paper.  I was wondering if you could bring us a few sheets of
that paper."

She brought us some paper.  I used some of the kami I had bought for the
larpg participants and made one of those lilies and gave it to her.  We
talked to the manager and got a package of about 500 square sheets of black
and white checked paper for eight dollars.  It makes excellent practice
paper (although I expect by the four hundredth or so I'll have nightmares
about getting swallowed by a chess board).  I did pass out quite a bit at
the larpg for people to practice with.  Moral:  It's everywhere.  You can
not hide from it.  Paper will find YOU.

An interesting side-line.  I had folded Tom Stamm's Dragon and had it on
display in the art room of the convention (gamers and other weird people),
and attached a note saying "Dragon by Tom Stamm" and that anyone interested
should come ask in the larpg room two doors down.  Around mid-afternoon, a
young man came into our crowded hotel room, yelling, "Who made the dragon?".
Several people pointed at me.  He ran up, dropped to his knees, and kissed
my foot.  "How did you ever do it?" he exclaimed.  I replied, "It was easy.
It was in a book."  "Oh." he said, and got up and left.  After a very brief
pause, everyone went on with what they were doing.  (This was pretty normal
for a convention of gamers, but I thought it was rather endearing, and had
to share it.)

I love folding paper.

T in Maryland
ingi_t@atc.ameritel.net

"I gave my life to become the person I am right now.  Was it worth it?" --
Richard Bach, at the beginning of "One".





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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 22:04:11 -0400
From: JMontroll@aol.com
Subject: Mythology and Chinese Zodiac

Hi,

I have a new book that should be ready in March titled Mythological Creatures
and the Chinese Zodiac in Origami.
This is the Year of the Rat which begins the cycle of the 12 animals. One of
them is the Chinese dragon. A 10th grader at my school wrote about the
significance, according to Chinese legend, of being born under each of the
animal signs.

In the mythology section there is a unicorn, Pegasus, Western dragon, wyvern,
and several others. The book ends with two four star (very complex)
models-the Chimera with three heads (snake, lion, and goat) along with wings
and a three-headed dragon (each head with open mouth and horns).

Next week I will send everything to the printer. Along with the computer
drawings, there will be the Japanese/Chinese kanji of the zodiac animals.
Given the disks, It takes the factory about a month to print the books.

John Montroll





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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 00:33:29 -0400
From: Kellie Elizabeth Cass <KELLIECASS@delphi.com>
Subject: origami cicada

   Does anyone know of a book that shows how to fold a cicada?
(I've never even seen a real cicada - for which I'm thankful -
but want it to go with a quote about a cicada).
   Thankyou so much for any help anyone can give me.

.                                                          Kellie

`[1;31;43mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Registered





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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 00:42:00 -0400
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: Ted Norminton's daffodil

+This model is in "Make it With Paper" by Paul Jackson & Vivien Frank.
+Grange Books.

_Make_It_With_Paper_ is an "interesting" book.  It is a concatenation of
Jackson's _Classic_Origami_ and some other book.  According the B.O.S.
Supplies list and several BOS members, _Classic_Origami_ is still in print
and available, at least in Britain.  The downtown Pittsburgh PA Barnes and
Noble store had one copy of _Make_It_With_Paper_ a few weeks ago, so perhaps
there are some copies still floating around.  Even on the discount rack it
is $17.xx which I suppose isn't bad for an oversized book...

-Doug





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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 01:00:49 -0400
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: _3D_Geometric_Origami_

Rona wrote:
+My book is at the publisher's, but I haven't seen a copy of it yet.
+"3D Geometric Origami: Modular Polyhedra" Gurkewitz and Arnstein
+(with a lot of Lewis Simon influence) by Dover, 80pp $7.95

It was listed in the Winter 1996 "DOVER NEW BOOK CATALOG" that I received last
week.  I have already placed my order and am hoping that it won't be
immediately backordered!

The Dover info from page 21 of that catalog is:
        80pp 9x12 item 28863-3 Pa. $6.95

-Doug





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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 01:16:12 -0400
From: DBSH47B@prodigy.com (MRS. JANET J HAMILTON)
Subject: Re: Rose

-- [ From: Janet Hamilton * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --

>           I liked the idea of giving origami roses as a Valentine's
Day
> gift
>           so I've been researching different rose designs. I found
about
> 10
>           designs in the OriIndex archive. Is there one that stands
out as
> a
>           nice one that an intermediate folder could handle? I found
a
>           postscript file that shows how to make "Base for Kawasaki's
> Rose".
>           Is this a good one and are there more parts to it?

Kawasaki's rose is a very realistic rose model, and one of my favorite
models in general.  I have heard it described as an intermediate model,
but it includes a nasty twist fold at the beginning.  I have only seen
it diagrammed in the out-of-print Origami for the Connoisseur (aka Top
Origami).  It was also one of the harder flowers to mount on a stem.
It's worth the effort though!

Janet Hamilton





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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 01:19:47 -0400
From: DBSH47B@prodigy.com (MRS. JANET J HAMILTON)
Subject: Re: moravian star?

-- [ From: Janet Hamilton * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --

> A friend of mine recently asked if I could design for her a Moravian
star.
> I had no idea what this was, so I had her draw one for me. Apparently
it
> has\
> two long points pointing up and down, a ring of 8 shorter points
around
> the
> middle, and two rings of short points on either side of the center
ring.
> All
> in all the points total 26, around a spherical base.  She said it
looks
> more
> like a mace than anything else, really.  If anyone has seen or
developed a
> model for such an object, please tell me and save me developing one
on my
> own!

I have hand drawn diagrams for a "Swedish Star" that was taught at a
OUSA convention a couple of years ago.  The instructor distributed the
diagrams at the class.  The star was made with 4 long strips of paper,
and has two triangular points on the top, bottom, and each side, plus a
circle of 4 points in the middle of the front and back.  That is a
total of only 16 points, so I'm not sure if it the same thing.

Janet Hamilton





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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 01:33:07 -0400
From: "Ashley G. Perrien" <perr2232@kutztown.edu>
Subject: Re: origami cicada

>    Does anyone know of a book that shows how to fold a cicada?
>
 Origami Insects and their Kin by R. Lang. An excellent book, but
definitely on the difficult side. I haven't managed to figure out the
cicada yet though.

AshleyP





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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 02:45:48 -0400
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: Rose

In message <097.09088710.DBSH47B@prodigy.com>,
    Janet Hamilton wrote:
+Kawasaki's rose is a very realistic rose model, and one of my favorite
+models in general.  I have heard it described as an intermediate model,
+but it includes a nasty twist fold at the beginning.  I have only seen
+it diagrammed in the out-of-print Origami for the Connoisseur (aka Top
+Origami).  It was also one of the harder flowers to mount on a stem.
+It's worth the effort though!

I agree, this is the rose model to do!

The diagrams are also available in one of the issues of ORU, I can find out
which one if anyone is interested.

As for the difficulty rating of this model... I would say that it is high
intermediate or low complex.  The twist is one reason, but also the final
stages of the model, while fairly well diagrammed, are not easy to execute.
During the latter stages you have to make the model three dimensional.  But
it doesn't want to be 3D, so while you trying to lock it, it is trying to
flatten out.  The only technique I've found successful is to hold the model
in one cupped hand and to slowly and gently form the locks with the other
hand.  When I was first learning this model it was model's desire to open
out, much more than the twist, which made it hard.  At least with the twist
once you have done it the model is stable.

-Doug





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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 02:56:25 -0400
From: terryh@lamg.com (Terry Hall)
Subject: Re: Re: Paper

Hi Ming,
The only booklet that I know of dedicated to dragons is the one that Tom
Stamm of Idaho created. I cannot find my own copy at the moment so this is
all from memory. Tom  shows what he calls a dragon base and then proceeds to
show how different dragons can be developed with this base. The book is
available from Origami USA and it is only a few dollars. Dont know of any
other book that has just dragons in it. Hope this helps. BTW Tom Stamm is on
the web somewhere - does anyone have his e-mail address?

Terry Hall
terryh@lamg.com





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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 05:20:26 -0400
From: VickyAV@aol.com
Subject: Re: Dozen origami roses.

On Wed, 17 Jan 1996, Rich Will Powers wrote:

> I've been thinking that instead of a dozen real roses, I want to send
> a dozen origami roses to my lover.  Anyone have ideas on what to do
> about stems for the roses?

warning: this technique is not for purists:... but works great!

For the Kawasaki rose I use a heavy florist wire (slightly thinner than
clothes hanger wire) and coil one end into a circle perpendicular to the wire
stem, and glue a ball of cotton on the circle.  This gives a nice base to
goop glue onto and will fill the inside space of the rose, adding body and
support.  You need to insert the ball and then close the flaps around the
stem. If you can manuver some of the cotton to stick out, you can start the
florists tape around it and create that nice thick part that (I forget the
biological term...) is directly under a flower.  Then continue down the stem.

I made several hundred of these for my wedding favors, and they have held up
beautifully.  More recently, I folded some for the Wall St. Journal (from
their newspaper) as a promotional gift to Microsoft.

Vicky Mihara Avery





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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 06:00:54 -0400
From: VickyAV@aol.com
Subject: San Francisco Origami Exhibit

This is an open invitation for folders to join us at the annual Cherry
Blossom Festival in San Francisco.  This year's dates are April 13 &14 and 20
& 21, so I hope some of you who are in the area (or will be) can come and
visit, participate or just hang out.

Look for details in future postings, including who will be there and the
great stuff we will have on exhibit.  If you are interested in participating
please email me directly.

Note to SF bay area folders (barf, Redwood & others on my mail list) you will
be getting info from me by snail mail or hopefully at your next meetings.
 Thanks!

Vicky Mihara Avery

VickyAv@aol.com
or
vicky@infoarch.com





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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 11:14:06 -0400
From: ACPQUINN@myriad.middlebury.edu
Subject: Re: moravian star?

Janet -
When asked about the moravian star, I immediately thought of the same model
you thought of, which is something i memorized while i was in grade school.
If only it was that simple... no, we need 10 more points to make it Moravian.
Thanks for the thought tho...
Alasdair
acpquinn@myriad.middlebury.edu





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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 11:52:02 -0400
From: GURKEWITZ@WCSUB.CTSTATEU.EDU
Subject: RE: _3D_Geometric_Origami_

I heard about that catalog print the price at $6.95 instead of $7.95.
I called Dover but they hadn't decided what to do about it.

Rona





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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 13:35:33 -0400
From: marckrsh@pipeline.com (Marc Kirschenbaum)
Subject: Re: Ice Skater Model?

On Jan 19, 1996 21:09:46, 'PamGotcher@aol.com' wrote:

>Does anyone on the list know of an ice skater model?  I haven't found one
>yet, and am still looking.  Thanks!  (OK, Richard, don't laugh;^))

Akira Yoshizawa had his ice skater model published for the BOS's 100th
anniversary issue. This issue might still be available through their
supplies list. Yoshizawa might have published it elsewhere, but I am not
familiar enough with his books.

Marc





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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 18:21:38 -0400
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: origami level

As a mostly modular nut, I have to agree with Jeannine
about the inadequacy of existing origami difficulty
ratings when it comes to modular origami. The classic
butterfly bomb is typical: the modules are simple, but
getting the thing together takes patience, dexterity
and practice.

There are many modular models where
either the thing tends to fall apart right down til
the last unit, or else is easy to get together, but
the last module is a stinker. Some models have good
diagrams for the individual units, but inadequate
assembly directions.

When I diagram my own designs, working out a good
assembly strategy is often more time consuming than
the diagrams for the units. Plus they tend to "go
three dimensional" at an early stage in assembly,
which makes it more difficult to draw good clear
diagrams.

--valerie
Valerie Vann
>INTERNET:75070.304@compuserve.com





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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 18:25:41 -0400
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: moravian star?

Is the star you describe flat or 3 dimensional?
I.e., when you say "a ring around the middle", do
you mean, as if the 2 long points were in the N an
S pole positions, and the "ring around the middle"
at the equator? So that you're describing some sort
of irregular stellated polyhedron? (Hence the mace
analogy?)

Or is it more like a "flat" coaster-type thingie,
with concentric rings of points of varying length?

--valerie
Valerie Vann
>INTERNET:75070.304@compuserve.com





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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 18:26:59 -0400
From: chall@scsn.net (Carol Hall)
Subject: Re: Ice Skater Model?

>Does anyone on the list know of an ice skater model?  I haven't found one
>yet, and am still looking.  Thanks!  (OK, Richard, don't laugh;^))
>Pam
>PamGotcher@aol.com
>
>
I believe Yoshizawa has such a model.  I remember seeing a wonderful mobile
at the OUSA convention a few years ago -- several Yoshizawa people (hooded,
bundled) with paper clips inserted in the feet to serve as skates.  Don't
remember who folded it, though.  If you use the paper clip trick, quite a
few human models ought to serve as skaters...
Carol Hall
chall@scsn.net





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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 18:28:19 -0400
From: "Andrew P. Anselmo" <anselmo@ERXSG.rl.plh.af.mil>
Subject: New model available for viewing...

Hi all-

Those folks with browsers might want to check out:

http://thermsa.eng.sunysb.edu/~anselmo/origami.html

I've got a (new?) pinwheel flower put there, as well as the
old X-wing with engines (and references).  I've make them JPEGs
instead of GIFS; image quality is not reduced, and loading time
is a lot faster.  Let me know what you think.

A.

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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 18:28:00 -0400
From: PASSMOREHE@rascal.guilford.edu
Subject: guitar model?

I was wondering if anyone knows where I could find instructions
for a model of a guitar or a person playing a guitar.  I have
seen models of violinists and other musicians, but never a
guitarist.  Thanks to anyone who can help me in my surch.
-Hanna





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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 18:29:16 -0400
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: Ice Skater Model?

Marc wrote:
+On Jan 19, 1996 21:09:46, 'PamGotcher@aol.com' wrote:
+>Does anyone on the list know of an ice skater model?  I haven't found one
+>yet, and am still looking.  Thanks!  (OK, Richard, don't laugh;^))
+
+Akira Yoshizawa had his ice skater model published for the BOS's 100th
+anniversary issue. This issue might still be available through their
+supplies list. Yoshizawa might have published it elsewhere, but I am not
+familiar enough with his books.

Yes, one of his books does have an ice skater model.  I'll try to look it up
later this weekend if no else chimes in with the info.

-Doug





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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 18:30:23 -0400
From: Bren Riesinger <fascfold@fascinating-folds.com>
Subject: Re: Washi

Will -
Thanks for the info on Washi.  I'm still collecting all the info I can find
regarding Washi in preparation for an article I would like to post on my web
site.  If you have anything more detailed on the types of Washi, the regions
and how they differ in style, inks, etc. I would really appreciate it-
Thanks-
Bren

At 05:53 PM 1/19/96 -0400, you wrote:
>  Pat Slider gave an excellent description of washi. While in Japan, I
>was able to visit the washibunko ("museum of paper") in Yatsuo. As an
>origami enthusiast, it was very enjoyable.
>  Washi has two (at least) qualities which are very desirable for
>folders:
>
>1. It is handwashed and generally has very beautiful patterns and
>texture.
>2. It is usually distributed in enormous rolls and dealers will cut it
>to the purchaser's requested dimensions and geometric configuration.
>
>  If any of you ever go to Kyuushu, I would strongly advise stopping
>by the washibunko. Yatsuo is very close to the major city of Toyama.
>                         -Will
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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 19:12:57 -0400
From: Ingi and T <ingi_t@atc.ameritel.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Paper

>Hi Ming,
>The only booklet that I know of dedicated to dragons is the one that Tom
>Stamm of Idaho created. I cannot find my own copy at the moment so this is
>all from memory. Tom  shows what he calls a dragon base and then proceeds to
>show how different dragons can be developed with this base. The book is
>available from Origami USA and it is only a few dollars. Dont know of any
>other book that has just dragons in it. Hope this helps. BTW Tom Stamm is on
>the web somewhere - does anyone have his e-mail address?
>
>Terry Hall
>terryh@lamg.com
>

Hi, there, Ming!  Hi, there, Terry!  Hi, there, All!

As I sit looking at my copy of Dragon by Tom Stamm...
It's an 18 page booklet that I got from Origami USA.  In it are:

Tom Stamm
2950 N. Maywood Ave.
Boise, Idaho  83704

STAMM@AOL.COM

It looks like my printing was from 1994, so I don't know how current the
addresses are.

Could someone help me with the pronounciation of "Stamm"?  I understand that
it could be said a few different ways, and I want to say it right when I
tell someone about the dragon.  (It's a really cool dragon.)

T in Maryland
ingi_t@atc.ameritel.net

"Wilt thou seal up avenues of ill?  Pay every debt, as though God wrote the
bill."  -- Ralph Waldo Emerson





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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 20:02:32 -0400
From: Ingi and T <ingi_t@atc.ameritel.net>
Subject: Re: origami level and first origami

I learned most of what I know about origami from books.  No one bothered to
tell me that Robert Lang's Complete Book of Origami, or John Montroll's
Animal Origami for the Enthusiast were "complex".  I never saw books that
were "simple" until after I had been folding for a while.  Maybe if someone
had told me Robert Lang's Biplane (from the above) was hard, I would never
have gotten around to it.  I just thought all origami was like that
(ignorance is bliss).

The only thing that really ever frustrated me came with the first package of
origami paper I had ever bought.  I was bored, waiting for band class, and
wandered through a college bookstore.  Never having seen or heard of
origami, I thought the little package of paper would be an interesting way
to pass the time.  Sure enough, it was.  Folded everything on the paper
insert, except that crane.  I wanted that crane really badly, let me assure
you, but there was this one step where the paper goes from a square to a
diamond (there were no "fold here" dotted lines), and the caption said,
"petal fold front and back".  I didn't know what that was.  How was I
supposed to know?  I worked at it for, quite literally, weeks.  (This was
when I was a really determined kid.)  I asked everyone I knew.  I had an
entire bus load of highschool/elementary (private schools) kids working on
it.  I finally ran into someone who showed me.  After that, I went and
bought Robert Lang's, Complete Book of Origami.

I found out about book ratings after I joined OUSA, last year.  I find them
rather amusing.  I expect it has something to do with the actual number of
folds, though, as opposed to steps (I've seen the crane described in 6-46
steps).  I try not to pay much attention to how difficult someone else
thinks something is, and make my own opinions.  It is far too easy to allow
pre-conceived notions to direct your ability to think.  (For example, just
put yourself on a time limit, and watch how difficult it is to make edges
line up, when without a time limit, you can do it smoothly in half the time.)

Happy Folding!

T in Maryland
ingi_t@atc.ameritel.net

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Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 07:13:29 -0400
From: John Smith <jon.pure@paston.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Rose

At 02:45 20/01/96 -0400, you wrote:

>I agree, this is the rose model to do!
>
>The diagrams are also available in one of the issues of ORU, I can find out
>which one if anyone is interested.
>
>As for the difficulty rating of this model... I would say that it is high
>intermediate or low complex.  The twist is one reason, but also the final
>stages of the model, while fairly well diagrammed, are not easy to execute.
>During the latter stages you have to make the model three dimensional.  But
>it doesn't want to be 3D, so while you trying to lock it, it is trying to
>flatten out.  The only technique I've found successful is to hold the model
>in one cupped hand and to slowly and gently form the locks with the other
>hand.  When I was first learning this model it was model's desire to open
>out, much more than the twist, which made it hard.  At least with the twist
>once you have done it the model is stable.
>
 As you know I pout this rose in my list of ten modern masterpieces.
But I  need to be clear about which Kawasaki rose is being talked about.
The best one I think and the most difficult starts with 16 by 16 square set
at an angle to the edges of the paper. It also needs a 4 difficult sinks
which have to be done in 3D. The final locking is very hard. I am fortunate
in that I was taught in Italy by Kawasaki and then by Silke Schroeder who
had learnt it from Kawasaki. I made by own diagrams and had them checked by
Silke. Also I was given a rose by Kawasaki and so could ensure that I had
got it correct.
There is a new simpler version which requires 8 by 8 squares and has no 3 D
sinks. It does have a 4 leaved calex at the base which is rather nice. The
techinque of folding is very similar to the 'best' version.

The rose in Kasahara's book is not either of the above two. Kawasaki said to
us in Italy that he could not recognise it as his rose. So I don't really
know where that one came from.

regards John
John Smith
Norwich
England
e-mail  jon.pure@paston.co.uk





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Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 07:17:52 -0400
From: John Smith <jon.pure@paston.co.uk>
Subject: Sound making folds.

I am thinking of a bibliography of origami Toys. One of the sections would
be on sound making folds.
I have so far details of the following.

Bangers (Trad)
Typwriter (Trad)
Pipe (Momotani)
Whistle ( Angel Ecija) incredible
Money ripping (Thoki Yenn)
Squeaker (Eric kenneway)
Drums and brush (John Smith)
Camera (Traditional)
Tumbling Toy (Takekawa)
Paper edge melody maker (John Smith)

Can anyone please add to this first list, thanks John.
John Smith
Norwich
England
e-mail  jon.pure@paston.co.uk





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Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 07:18:04 -0400
From: John Smith <jon.pure@paston.co.uk>
Subject: Re: origami level

At 15:37 19/01/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Too what extent is the level of an origami model really the
>level of the model and to what extent is it the level of
>communication of the diagrams?  (Didn't I hear somewhere that
>there are even pureland methods for folding a crane base using
>only valley and mountain folds?)
>                                         ... Mark

In my attempts to simplify Origami for the handicapped I tried to see how
complex moves could be made in simpler steps.

The Bird Base is usually shown as requiring petal folds, but in fact it can
be simplified to one valley and 6 sinks which are of course jusr reverse
folds. I found a nice sequence for the windmill base which only uses calley
and mountain folds. I found a way to fold the Bird base in which only one
fold is manipulated at each step.

The most difficult moves to simplify are complex sinks and twists. However I
have found a very easy sequence for making the starting twist in Kawaski's
most complex rose.

John.
John Smith
Norwich
England
e-mail  jon.pure@paston.co.uk





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Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 07:24:31 -0400
From: John Smith <jon.pure@paston.co.uk>
Subject: Re: guitar model?

At 18:28 20/01/96 -0400, you wrote:
>I was wondering if anyone knows where I could find instructions
>for a model of a guitar or a person playing a guitar.  I have
>seen models of violinists and other musicians, but never a
>guitarist.  Thanks to anyone who can help me in my surch.
>-Hanna
>
>

Neal Elias Booklet 35 published by the BOS.

page 31 Andres Segovia

page 41 Folk Singer

both are, of course, suparb being Elias.

OUSA should have copies of the Neal Elias series, if you like complex
Origami of superb qaulity then these are the books to get.

John
John Smith
Norwich
England
e-mail  jon.pure@paston.co.uk





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Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 09:08:48 -0400
From: vann@tredgar.cardiff.com (VAnn Cornelius)
Subject: Re: origami level

I'm listening intently for observations about
defining difficulty levels for modulars. The
concerns are well stated.

Another issue is the characteristic of a form.
Some are of a type that will allow variation.
One unit can be learned and using 6, or 12, or64
etc, will enable something of interest.

Other modulars need to be used in only one form.

This may not really be part of the difficulty but
it does seem worth noting.

V'Ann
vann@cardiff.com





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Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 09:09:14 -0400
From: vann@tredgar.cardiff.com (VAnn Cornelius)
Subject: RE:  re: origami level

> > Too what extent is the level of an origami model really the
> > level of the model and to what extent is it the level of
> > communication of the diagrams?  (Didn't I hear somewhere that
> > there are even pureland methods for folding a crane base using
> > only valley and mountain folds?)
> >                                          ... Mark

 This is the part that gets very subjective.  Some diagrams are
 drawn with the expectation that the person reading them knows a
 wide range of folding techniques. They are difficult for
 someone with different experience to follow.

 We are fortunate that Robert Lang and John Montroll and others
 are so solicitous of our limitations and various expectations.

 V'Ann
 vann@cardiff.com





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Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 11:12:33 -0400
From: PamGotcher@aol.com
Subject: Re: Mythology and Chinese Zodiac

Oh, goody, out in time for convention, I hope!!  (I know you said March,
John, but we all know these printers!!)
Pam
PamGotcher@aol.com





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Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 11:48:23 -0400
From: casida@ere.umontreal.ca (Casida Mark)
Subject: Re: origami level

John Smith wrote :

> In my attempts to simplify Origami for the handicapped I tried to see how
> complex moves could be made in simpler steps.
>
> The Bird Base is usually shown as requiring petal folds, but in fact it can
> be simplified to one valley and 6 sinks which are of course jusr reverse
> folds. I found a nice sequence for the windmill base which only uses calley
> and mountain folds. I found a way to fold the Bird base in which only one
> fold is manipulated at each step.

Wow!  Thanks for reminding me.  I only saw this way to fold a bird base
long long after I learned the conventional squash fold way (and didn't
know who originated it.)  Believe me, this simplified method is great for
beginners!  The only problem is that I forget to use it when I should
because I'm so used to the older method.

                                 ... Mark

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Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 11:57:56 -0400
From: dzimm@nando.net (David Zimmerman)
Subject: Re: Re: Advanced models source?

"> Richard Kennedy wrote ..."
>
> Origami for the Connoiseur
>
> Although this book may be out of print in the US, this book is listed as
> available by all the major bookshops in Birmingham, England. They also
> list Origami Omnibus as being available. None of them carry these books as
> standard stock, all were confident they could provide a copy in a month.
> Perhaps this could give you some leverage?
>
I've heard that from book stores on this side of the pond. I ask at the counter
if they have Origami Omnibus, or Connoiseur, and they look it up and say
     something
lilke "We don't have it, but we could order it, 4-6 weeks." Two months later, I
get a call telling me that the publisher has stopped printing it, even though
     it's
still listed in "Books in Print".

--
David P Zimmerman             dzimm@nando.net
916 Riderwood Ct               919 557 7692
WillowSpring NC 27592           D-17293

" 'Eisteddfod' is an old Welsh word from the old Welsh.  It comes from
 two words: 'eistedd' meaning 'bored' and 'fod' meaning 'stiff'."
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Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 14:45:53 -0400
From: John Smith <jon.pure@paston.co.uk>
Subject: Chinese paper folding

The earliest record of paper folding in China that I have is  Maying Soong's
book The Art of Chinese Paper Folding, first published in 1913.  In this
book the author says she was taught models by her mother, who was taught by
her mother. This takes us back to the mid 19th century. Does anyone have any
evidence of Chinese folding before this?

Thanks John
John Smith
Norwich
England
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Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 16:41:59 -0400
From: A004773%LBVM1.profs@lbgwy.mdc.com
Subject: complexity

 Thanks for the simplification comments ... now how about simplifying
 some of Mr. Langs's works?

 One possible measure of the complexity of modular folds could be the
 number of paper clips required during the assembly process.  But that
 may turn out to be equal to the number of modules... not useful.  Maybe
 there's a minimal number, less than the number of modules, that could
 suffice.

 John Andrisan
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Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 17:54:19 -0400
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: Paper

In message <v01530500ad222a37b750@[198.6.201.24]
    John Fisher wrote:
+Forgive me if I am violating the culture of this LISTSERV.  I am new here
+and don't know what you have been discussing previously, but after nearly
+20 years of origami, I would like others' opinions about some things.

Don't worry about that, after a while every topic comes around again (and
again). ;-)

[To save space, I've paraphrased.  Check the archives for the original. -dwp]

    John says that he almost never uses packaged origami paper because for
    him "rescuing/finding" paper is a big part of his origami joy.

    John mentions shopping bags, office paper, magazine/coated paper, and
    foils and that each one is often good for only certain kinds of models.

While I use prepackaged origami paper extensively, "rescued/found" paper is
also in my repetoire.   While John gets a lot of satisfaction from the
reuse/recycling aspect (that is how I interpreted his message), I get more
satisfaction from:  a) finding a material/texture/pattern that is not
available through "normal channels" and b) putting the paper to a use for
which it was never intended.

One of the unfortunate things about prepackaged paper is that any multicolored
pack always has colors that I don't like.  Those are the first to be used for
the practice/first-attempt models.  Sometimes though, origami paper is the
perfect paper to use for a final model, esp. where strength and thinness are
very important.  Of course, "prepackaged origami paper" is not such a simple
category, even if you consider paper only marketed to the origami crowd!

+This obsession with salvage means that I have also collected an arsenal of
+related tools" x-acto knives, paper cutters, steel rulers, etc.  Getting
+those exact squares is an art in itself!

Collateral hobbies. ;-)  Have you gotten into making your own paper, either
backcoating, tissue foiling, or from pulp?  Hopefully soon I will be ready to
start recycling lots o' junk mail into interesting paper.

I think this is an interesting topic, because "pushing the envelope" with
paper is as much on the "cutting edge" of origami as the latest
techno-tesselating-twisting mathematical marvels of Palmer, Hull, etc. or
the cunningly complex models of Kawahata, Lang, Montroll, Tantiedan (sp?),
etc. or the stunningly simple models of Jackson, Smith, and co.

The "love" of paper in the Japanese culture is something that both impresses
and baffles me (as a foreigner), and the amazing photography found in many
origami books today very effectively illustrates how much the choice of
paper contributes to the art of the model.

-Doug





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Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 18:11:32 -0400
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: origami level

In message <96Jan19.195458-0000gmt.22810-4+22@red.paston.co.uk>
    John Smith wrote:
+I did quite a lot of research into fold difficulty for my paper on
+'Forgiving Folding' at COET95. This was with the idea of trying to make
+Origami easier for handicapped people.
..
+In my paper to COET95 I gave an additive scale so that would could get a
+value for the difficulty of the model.

[My comments are based on my memories of John's talk, I haven't yet gotten
around to reading the printed version. -dwp]

I really like John's system because it is so quantitative and is almost
folder independent.  I suppose that there could always be someone who has
practiced some types of folds so much that they are much much easier than
other "simpler" folds.  But overall, John's system is based on the complexity
of the physical requirements more than the skill of the folder.

As John has mentioned in other messages, there are ways to transform some
complex folds into sequences of simpler steps, but, so far as I know there
is not yet a formalized system of such transformations.  I might even hazard
that while one might have success at taking the individual steps for a given
model and "simplifying them", one might have even greater success at taking a
larger view, considering several steps at once (whether in sequence or not),
or even from analyzing the crease pattern.  I might guess that one could go a
good bit with a crease pattern "contstruction" analysis, perhaps matching
sub-patterns in the crease pattern with known short and simple folding
sequences, which could get one very far long in the folding of a model but by
a very different route than originally diagrammed.  Another issue here is that
often diagrams are written to be good diagrams and not the simplest or most
efficient folding methods, so before one starts a simplification process, one
might want to consider either a crease pattern analysis or an alternative
folding sequence not based on the ease of diagramming.

-Doug

P.S.  Read John's paper, if you are at all interested in this, it is much
richer than has been described so far!





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Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 18:16:18 -0400
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Alternative folding sequences...

In message <96Jan21.111237-0000gmt.22814-2+106@red.paston.co.uk>
    John Smith wrote:
+At 15:37 19/01/96 -0400, you wrote:
+>Too what extent is the level of an origami model really the
+>level of the model and to what extent is it the level of
+>communication of the diagrams?  (Didn't I hear somewhere that
+>there are even pureland methods for folding a crane base using
+>only valley and mountain folds?)
+>                                         ... Mark
+
+The Bird Base is usually shown as requiring petal folds, but in fact it can
+be simplified to one valley and 6 sinks which are of course jusr reverse
+folds. I found a nice sequence for the windmill base which only uses calley
+and mountain folds. I found a way to fold the Bird base in which only one
+fold is manipulated at each step.

I must thank Mr. Beynon for opening my eyes on a bird base folding
sequence.  His booklets are full of minimalistic diagrams, often with only
three or four steps, but the first step is often quite a number of precreases.
Anyway, it was in making one of his models that I "opened my eyes" to
precreasing the bird base.  I had seen the crease pattern many times, but it
never dawned on me to precrease the bird base and then collapse it.  One of
models I was doing had a first step with a lot of precreases, including the
bird base crease lines.  As I was collapsing the model to reach step two, it
suddenly hit me what I had seen.  I have since then always folded my bird
bases with complete precreasing, and where ever possible I precrease and
collapse petal folds.  For me I find it to be as fast and more accurate.  If I
was going to fold sloppy (say for a competition at and origami convention
;-)), then I wouldn't.  But for models whose appearance I care about...

-Doug
