




Return-path: <origami-l@nstn.ca>
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 11:17:39 -0400
From: hull@hypatia.math.uri.edu
Subject: Re: Televised Origami

Robert "Grand Puba of Origami" Lang wrote:

> Is your scathing rebuttal assigned a publication date yet?

No, no specific date has been nailed down, but the folks at the American
Mathematical Monthly assure me that it'll appear sometime in 1996.
Also, my "rebuttal" isn't exactly "scathing".  The fact is that Auckly
and Cleveland's mathematical work IS completely accurate - their
only "crime" is that they modeled origami using a very weak set
of axioms.  So in a pure, mathematical sense their article is rather
interesting and valuable, but as far as trying to make a realistic
study of the limits of paper folding, their article is useless.
I say as much in my "rebuttal".

-------- Tom "riding the origami gravy train" Hull





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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 12:25:56 -0400
From: PASSMOREHE@rascal.guilford.edu
Subject: re:1000 Cranes

I would also like to help fold the cranes, and know of many students and
staff here at Guilford College who would also help.  Thanks for the
wonderful idea of a way to reach out to this young rape victim.
(*:  Hanna Passmore





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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 12:42:30 -0400
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: 1000 Cranes

someone inquired:
<<..success on getting the girl's address>>?

I would suggest trying to work through either the US civil representatives
on Okinawa, or a religious affiliation (base chaplain's office etc),

It seems to me that some sensitivity to the privacy of the victim and
her family is in order, and to avoid turning it into something the media
can pick up on. The victim doesn't need anymore public exposure
than she's already had in court.

For what it's worth, I also think the US government should reimburse
the Japanese for the ongoing expense of keeping these {expletive deleted}
creeps locked up for life....

--valerie





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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 13:17:02 -0400
From: ACPQUINN@myriad.middlebury.edu
Subject: re:1000 Cranes

I'm also willing to fold the cranes ... i will bet that my regional group
would also be more than willing, being part of a national Japan-America
society.
If we recruit people from all over the globe, we'll need a central point
to send cranes to, from which the final 1000 cranes may be mailed. Hey, if we
get enough people, we could send 2000 cranes!
-Alasdair
acpquinn@myriad.middlebury.edu





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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 13:28:47 -0400
From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@dorsai.dorsai.org>
Subject: Re: 1000 Cranes

>
> For what it's worth, I also think the US government should reimburse
> the Japanese for the ongoing expense of keeping these {expletive deleted}
> creeps locked up for life....
>
> --valerie
>
>
If they did what the Japanese court found them guilty of, then they are more
than creeps. If they did not, then they may still be creeps. According to
what I have read, however, it does not seem as if their guilt is definite
     according
to US standards.

--
Sheldon Ackerman.......http://www.dorsai.org/~ackerman/
ackerman@dorsai.dorsai.org
sheldon.ackerman@nycps.nycenet.edu





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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 13:24:33 -0400
From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@dorsai.dorsai.org>
Subject: Re: 1000 Cranes

>
> I too would be happy to contribute.
>
> It occurred to me that we should try to get as many people from as many =
> different countries to contribute in some way, thereby showing our =
> collective concern about what has happened.
>
> What do others think?

We should. But we should also realize that the soldiers may not necessarily
be guilty. This is not a forum where we should decide their guilt.

--
Sheldon Ackerman.......http://www.dorsai.org/~ackerman/
ackerman@dorsai.dorsai.org
sheldon.ackerman@nycps.nycenet.edu





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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 14:46:09 -0400
From: Gretchen Klotz <gren@agora.rdrop.com>
Subject: 1000 Cranes is a Go!

Thank you all for your public and private email support of my idea of
folding 1000 cranes for the Okinawa rape survivor.  We're going to go
ahead and do it.  I'll be sending specific instructions directly to those
of you who have volunteered to help, rather than clutter up the list.
Several of us are already looking into how to get the cranes to someone in
Okinawa who can get them to the girl (her identity is being protected --
understandably!).  I encourage anyone who is interested to participate --
even if you only have time to fold one crane!  If you *are* interested and
haven't sent me email directly, please do so I can get the information to
you.

Thanks again to everyone who responded.

- Gretchen, overwhelmed and excited





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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 14:37:11 -0400
From: Richard Kennedy <KENNEDRA@ibm3090.bham.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Angels, etc...

What about hearts, also a symbol of love and affection? Francis Ow has
published some collections (available through OUSA Supplies, I think). I
folded several boxes full when I was ill for several months, it helped
me get through a very bad time.

Richard K.





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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 15:28:35 -0400
From: kkinney@med.unc.edu (Kevin Kinney)
Subject: Re: 1000 Cranes is a Go!

Gretchen,
        I don't have your direct address (my processor probably cuts it
off), so I have to post to everyone, but please add me to your 1000 cranes
list.  Send any instructions you have.  My e-mail is :  kkinney@med.unc.edu

Kevin Kinney





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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 15:43:39 -0400
From: John Smith <jon.pure@paston.co.uk>
Subject: Gay Merril Gross

I want to write to Gay Merril Gross, can anyone tell me her E-Mail address,
thanks
John Smith
Norwich
England
e-mail  jon.pure@paston.co.uk





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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 15:44:09 -0400
From: John Smith <jon.pure@paston.co.uk>
Subject: Origami records (OR) or not?

Origami Records
  I have always enjoyed reading about the biggest and smallest of almost
anything,
naturally I enjoy the Guinness Book of Records (or superlatives). At odd
times I have
been collecting Origami Records and thought it about time I exposed my
collection to
the fierce gaze of Origami-l. I would welcome corrections, updates or new
entries.

Model folded from largest square.
  33 sq. metres used to fold a crane. Maebashi, Gunma Pref. Japan, October
30th 1995.
reported by Joseph Wu, Origami-L on Internet.

Model folded from smallest square
  Square 1mm by 1mm used to fold a crane using a microscope and sewing needle by
Assistant Professor Watanabe at Nigata University, Japan. see BOS magazine
no. 119
page 22.

Origami Book with largest size pages
  Origami Package Design , Klein, 36 CMS by 36 CMS.

Origami Book with smallest sized pages.
  Origami Encyclopaedia by Kasahara. 9cms by 9cms.

Most prolific Author.
  Yoshide Momotani, 36 books from 1971. BOS magazine no. 174 page 23.

Most prolific creator
  Akira Yoshizawa, 50,000 reported by Peter Engels in Folding the Universe,
Vintage
Publications.

Book with most pages.
 Proceedings of COET91, 461 pages edited by John Smith, published by BOS

Book with least pages.
  Pop-up-Origami  a Johnnie Book, 8 pages  Japan publications 1962.

Book with the most models
 Origami Zukon, Picture Book of Origami,  by Okimasa Uchiyama, over 250 models.

Book with the least models.
   LaFosse F14-Tomcat 16 pages one model
  Stamm, Dragon, one model 18 pages.

Model with the most steps/folds.
  Scorpion by Robert  Lang with 158 steps many involving several moves. Origami
Insects, 1995, Dover.

Model with least folds.
  Greek Warrior, John Smith modified by Snr. Pomaron, 2 folds.
In Paper Play by John Smith several models are shown without any folds at all.

Greatest Eccentric in Origami.
  Peter Kopper a Munich Bus Driver who only folds the classic boat (like a
hat) he
calls them Microships and folds hundreds of them in different colours and
are then
assembled into collages. see der falter April 1991 No5 for more about this
extraordinary man.

Largest Society.
  Nederlands Origami Society last reported as having over 8000 members.

Largest convention ever held
  Origami USA convention New York 1995 with over 600 attending.

 Largest Bibliography.
  Origami in Education and Therapy by John Smith the last edition in 1993
contained
262 references.

Most influential book on Origami published in the West
  Paper Magic by Bob  Harbin, 1956, Oldbourne Book Co,

Top Selling book.
  Origami, the art of paper folding by Bob Harbin originally published as Teach
Yourself Origami, Hodder 1969. The last report I had was 375000 sold.

The most beautiful Origami Book
  Pfiffiges Origami by Paulo Mulatinho 1995, Augustus Verlag , ISBN
3-8043-0368-4
every spread is a superb example from a great graphic designer and  paper
folder.

Earliest illustration of an Origami model
  Sphera Mundi, by Johannesdi Sacrobesco published in  Venice 1490, has an
illustration of an Eclipse of the Sun and on the sea are shown two classic
paper boats.

First folding diagrams in the W
John Smith
Norwich
England
e-mail  jon.pure@paston.co.uk





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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 16:41:00 -0400
From: Ffolds@aol.com
Subject: Re: 1000 Cranes is a Go!

Gretchen-
Count me in and send me information on helping to fold the 1000 cranes.
Bren Riesinger
Fascinating Folds
Ffolds@aol.com
p.s.  my address will be changing soon and I'll let you know the new one
ASAP.





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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 17:12:37 -0400
From: gpowell@mv.us.adobe.com (Gary Powell)
Subject: Re: 1000 Cranes is a Go!

Hi  Gretchen,

   Please send me the information. Unfortunately I won't be able to get it
via e-mail as due to unfortunate circumstances I'm leaving this list as of
Friday 11/10.

  If you can send me the information via smail, I'll re-imburse you for
stamps envelopes etc.

  I'd really like to help.

14300 SE 171st Way C-8
Renton, WA 98058

(206) 226-8150

    Gary Powell

    Thanks!
  -Gary-





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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 17:34:45 -0400
From: "Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy)" <sychen@ENH.NIST.GOV>
Subject: Re: Origami records (OR) or not?

At 03:44 PM 11/9/95 -0400, you wrote:
>Origami Records
>  I have always enjoyed reading about the biggest and smallest of almost
>anything,
>naturally I enjoy the Guinness Book of Records (or superlatives). At odd
>times I have
>been collecting Origami Records and thought it about time I exposed my
>collection to
>the fierce gaze of Origami-l. I would welcome corrections, updates or new
>entries.
>
>Model folded from largest square.
>  33 sq. metres used to fold a crane. Maebashi, Gunma Pref. Japan, October
>30th 1995.
>reported by Joseph Wu, Origami-L on Internet.
>
>...... Text omitted here ......

Good information! Can someone put it in web page or archive site?

---------------------------------------------------
Sy Chen <sychen@enh.nist.gov>
Origami Page - http://www.iia.org/~chens/pprfld.htm





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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 18:54:59 -0400
From: "SCOTT BEDRICK, O:BEDRIS, DDA.ID:PFIZER.BEDRIS, P:PFIZER, A:, C:"
      <BEDRIS@pfizer.com>
Subject: Re: French folder ?

     >Anyone folding around Paris , here ?

     I happen to be going to Paris on business next week (Nov. 12-15).  It would
     be fun to get together with you (whoever you are).

     Send me a message

     Scott Bedrick

     bedris@pfizer.com





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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 21:14:17 -0400
From: Gretchen Klotz <gren@agora.rdrop.com>
Subject: Re: 1000 Cranes

On Thu, 9 Nov 1995, Valerie Vann wrote:

> I would suggest trying to work through either the US civil representatives
> on Okinawa, or a religious affiliation (base chaplain's office etc),

Actually, we are trying to get a Japanese contact, perhaps a women's

> It seems to me that some sensitivity to the privacy of the victim and
> her family is in order, and to avoid turning it into something the media
> can pick up on. The victim doesn't need anymore public exposure
> than she's already had in court.

Please let me assure everyone that we are respecting her privacy.  It is
not my intention to contact her directly; rather, I would like to get the
cranes to someone who can get them to her, when and if that is
appropriate.  Otherwise, I am perfectly happy if they are a gift to the
city of Okinawa, or a rape/crisis organization, or some other such place.

- Gretchen, overwhelmedand delighted at the response





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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 21:13:31 -0400
From: Gretchen Klotz <gren@agora.rdrop.com>
Subject: Re: 1000 Cranes

On Thu, 9 Nov 1995, Sheldon Ackerman wrote:

> According to
> what I have read, however, it does not seem as if their guilt is definite
     according
> to US standards.

I am personally of the mind that, when in Rome do as the Romans do *and* be
subject to their laws and traditions.  Or Singapore.  Or Japan.

- Gretchen





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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 21:31:00 -0400
From: Gretchen Klotz <gren@agora.rdrop.com>
Subject: Re: 1000 Cranes

On Thu, 9 Nov 1995, Laurie Bisman wrote:

> It occurred to me that we should try to get as many people from as many =
> different countries to contribute in some way, thereby showing our =
> collective concern about what has happened.

It is fine with me to include cranes from all over the world, if they can
get to Portland, Oregon on time!

I do feel that since the crime was perpetrated by Americans, it is we who
should respond.  However, let me assure you that this is an equal
opportunity project!  No crane will be turned away based on (in no
particular order) age, gender, religious affiliation, sexual orientation,
race, ethnicity, national origin, or anything else that has ever been used
as grounds for discrimination. ;-)

- Gretchen





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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 22:12:00 -0400
From: Folderbuck@aol.com
Subject: Re: Paper/Book sources in DC/Baltimore area

Another place to add to the list of papersources in the DC are is

Bookmakers International LTD.
6001 66th Avenue
Riverdale, MD.
301-459-3384

The have a wide assortment of book binding/bookmaking supplies including all
weights and kinds of paper. marbleized paper and other fine papers. They are
only open during the week. They are located adjacent to (in the same
building):

Pyramid Atlantic
6001 66th Avenue
Riverdale, MD.
301-459-7154

A paper making and decorating studio, a studio for the art of the book
they have some hand made papers available. call first they also hold many
classes for marbleizing, papermaking, bookbinding, etc.

Both are right off the Baltimore Washington Parkway

Steve





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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 22:25:58 -0400
From: sychen@ENH.NIST.GOV (Shi-Yew Chen)
Subject: Re: Origami records (OR) or not?

Does this one TIE the Model with the most steps/folds record?
  Tuojiangosaurus by Fumiaki Kawahata with 158 steps. Origami Fantasy, 1995,
Origami House Tokyo.
---------------------------------------------------
Sy Chen
Origami Page - http://www.iia.org/~chens/pprfld.htm
-----------------------------------------
Shi-Yew Chen (Sy)
E-Mail: sychen@enh.nist.gov
WWW: http://www.iia.org/~chens/syhome.htm





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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 23:06:08 -0400
From: Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>
Subject: Re: Origami records (OR) or not?

On Thu, 9 Nov 1995, Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy) wrote:

> Good information! Can someone put it in web page or archive site?

I'll get on it. Look for it within the next week.

Joseph Wu  <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>  <http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/jwu/origami.html>
Approach life like a voyage on a schooner. Enjoy the view. Explore the vessel.
Make friends with the Captain. Fish a little. And then get off when you get
Home.                                                     --Max Lucado





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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 23:00:42 -0400
From: Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>
Subject: Re: Origami records (OR) or not?

For the least folds for a model, I think that my "one-fold stegosaurus" and
Jeremy Shafer's "how to fold an origami square" should be included in the
list.

Joseph Wu  <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>  <http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/jwu/origami.html>
Approach life like a voyage on a schooner. Enjoy the view. Explore the vessel.
Make friends with the Captain. Fish a little. And then get off when you get
Home.                                                     --Max Lucado





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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 23:36:25 -0400
From: GLORIA@usthk.ust.hk
Subject: Re: 1000 Cranes is a Go!

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> Thank you all for your public and private email support of my idea of
> folding 1000 cranes for the Okinawa rape survivor.  We're going to go
> ahead and do it.  I'll be sending specific instructions directly to those
> of you who have volunteered to help, rather than clutter up the list.
> Several of us are already looking into how to get the cranes to someone in
> Okinawa who can get them to the girl (her identity is being protected --
> understandably!).  I encourage anyone who is interested to participate --
> even if you only have time to fold one crane!  If you *are* interested and
> haven't sent me email directly, please do so I can get the information to
> you.
>
> Thanks again to everyone who responded.
>
> - Gretchen, overwhelmed and excited

Count me in too!  How big should the crane be?





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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 00:10:15 -0400
From: BerylMark@aol.com
Subject: Re: 1000 Cranes

All:

A freind and I contacted the japanese Consulate, and they approve of this
gesture. I have written Gretchen, and I will be forwarding her the address of
the Prefecture in Okanowa. ( The Consulate suggested to use the Prefecture as
the messanger.) Naturally it's up to Gretchen as to wheather or not she
wishes to use that route.

I do have one other thought I wish to share. There are many people in the US
and other countries who have suffered the same type of abuse as the young
woman in Okanowa. If this idea generates a large responce ( seems to me it
already has). Prehaps we should all consider sending cranes to rape suvivors
on our own shores. Maybe not a 1000 but at least a string or two.

We've got ourselves a movement! ;-)))

Beryl

P.S. What a wonderful group of people you all are!!!!





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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 07:30:41 -0400
From: John Smith <jon.pure@paston.co.uk>
Subject: Origami records (OR) or not?

Many thanks for the great response, I look forward to seeing the OR's on
WWW. The missing bit was entirely my fault in copying the list over from my
wordprocessor, my apologies. This is the missing bit:-

First folding diagrams in the West.

 The Boys Own Paper, June 26th 1886, pages 618-619. Diagrams for the
Flapping Bird.
 I look forward to some more records,  John.
John Smith
Norwich
England
e-mail  jon.pure@paston.co.uk





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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 08:46:19 -0400
From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@dorsai.dorsai.org>
Subject: Re: 1000 Cranes

>
> On Thu, 9 Nov 1995, Sheldon Ackerman wrote:
>
> > According to
> > what I have read, however, it does not seem as if their guilt is definite
     according
> > to US standards.
>
> I am personally of the mind that, when in Rome do as the Romans do *and* be
> subject to their laws and traditions.  Or Singapore.  Or Japan.
>
> - Gretchen

Here is my final say regarding this matter.
Gretchen, I do not feel there is anything wrong with showing our sympathy by
sending cranes. I never did understand that line about when in Rome...
Hopefully you would not compromise your moral convictions if you lived in a
society where raping and pillaging was the norm. Why Rome is used as an
example is another thing I never understood. They had certain laws regarding
gladiators and throwing individuals to lions. So if I lived there, I would
have to participate and agree with their laws???

To get back to my point. The American soldiers may or may not be guilty. A
girl however was raped, and a show of support on our part would certainly
not be wrong.

--
Sheldon Ackerman.......http://www.dorsai.org/~ackerman/
ackerman@dorsai.dorsai.org
sheldon.ackerman@nycps.nycenet.edu





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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 09:24:23 -0400
From: parkmaam@gol.com (M. Schleicher P. Saalbach)
Subject: Re: Proceedings of 2nd International Meeting of Origami Science

Dear John:

Just had a thought with the info. you shared below:

>The proceedings of the 2nd International Meeting of Origami Science and
>Scientific Origami will be published in Merch 1996(the end of the fiscal
>year of the University).
>
>Excuse us for the delay. Translation of some Japanese papers take a lot of
time.

Do these people need help with "re-writing"?  This is a term in Japan that
refers to editing a Japanese-to-English translation into 'proper' English --
an activity in which I am involved on a very part-time basis with a major
American corporation based in Tokyo.  As I'm a technical writer by
profession, I am wondering if my help will make their work go faster.

Thanks in advance for letting me know what you think.

Pamela
Pamela Saalbach
parkmaam@gol.com

                            "If all the world were paper,
                               And all the sea were ink,
                        And all the trees were bread and cheese,
                             What should we do for drink?"

            (from a 1910 edition of "The Most Popular Mother Goose Songs")





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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 10:19:47 -0400
From: casida@ere.umontreal.ca (Casida Mark)
Subject: Re: 1000 Cranes is a Go!

Gretchen,

Please count me in.  My e-mail address is below.

                                    ... Mark
>
> Thank you all for your public and private email support of my idea of
> folding 1000 cranes for the Okinawa rape survivor.  We're going to go
> ahead and do it.  I'll be sending specific instructions directly to those
> of you who have volunteered to help, rather than clutter up the list.
> Several of us are already looking into how to get the cranes to someone in
> Okinawa who can get them to the girl (her identity is being protected --
> understandably!).  I encourage anyone who is interested to participate --
> even if you only have time to fold one crane!  If you *are* interested and
> haven't sent me email directly, please do so I can get the information to
> you.
>
> Thanks again to everyone who responded.
>
> - Gretchen, overwhelmed and excited
>
>
>

--
*-------------------------------------------------------*
|          Mark E. Casida                               |
|          e-mail: casida@chimcn.umontreal.ca           |





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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 15:47:03 -0400
From: John Smith <jon.pure@paston.co.uk>
Subject: Origami records (OR) or not? Some updates.

  Thanks to many contributions I already have the following updates of my
Origami Records.

Model with the most steps/folds.

Robert Lang's Flying Samurai Helmet Beetle, see p96 in the Annual Collection
1995 (OUSA)

306 steps many of which require several seperate folds.

( note; the actual steps shown come to 200. However 21 of the steps simply
call for the repetition of a previous sequence, one or more times. If these
had been illustrated in full this would give the total of 306, thanks to
Doug who pointed this one out).

Model with the least steps/folds.

Stegasaurus by Joseph Wu, 1 fold

Origami Archives on WWW Internet.

(Note, Thanks to many people who pointed this out.  I wish I could see this
model but unfortunately it is only available in Postscript and I can't print
or view that. I wish we could have the diagrams etc. in GIF which is surely
more convenient for most of us. I cannot get the Ghostscript which is
supposed to permit printing of Postscript, to download from the archives, it
says it is complete about halfway through).
John Smith
Norwich
England
e-mail  jon.pure@paston.co.uk





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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 18:07:34 -0400
From: THERESA DAVIS <td0333@acc.msmc.edu>
Subject: Re: 1000 Cranes

Dear Gretchen,
        I would also like to help fold the Cranes.
My e-mail address is td0333@acc.msmc.edu
               Thank-you
                     Theresa.





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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 19:42:15 -0400
From: Don Quixote <martinb@ucs.orst.edu>
Subject: Turkey

Hi,

With the Thanksgiving season here, I have been looking for directions on
folding a turkey. Would anyone be able or willing to help me out? Maybe
scan into gif some pages from a book or something?

P.S. I don't know about etiquitte in this mail server, so if I'm breaking
rules forgive me.

Thanks!

martinb@ucs.orst.edu
Bill Martin





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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 19:26:17 -0400
From: Gretchen Klotz <gren@agora.rdrop.com>
Subject: Re: Paper like U.S. Currency

Earth Care catalog carries paper recycled from old currency by Crane &
Co., who "has been making all the paper for our US currency since 1879."
It's actually 70% old money and 30% cotton, and does have the appearance
of being lightly speckled green.  Here's what they offer:

        Item # Name                  Price
        ------ --------------------------------------  -----
        03-156 Old Money Notepad                  $7
               100 sheets
               (5.25" x 5.25" -- yes, square!)

        03-160 Certificate Border Tablets/Envelopes    $15
               50 sheet tablet (6-3/8" x 8.5") with
               25 envelopes

        03-145 Post-It Notes              $4
               Set of 2 pads, 1 each: "Time is
               Money" and "Money Doesn'et Grow on
               Trees" with 40 sheets (3" x 4") each

Earth Care also carries wonderful recycled origami paper with speckles
(08-357, $6 for 50 6" sheets -- folds great but hard to find those marking
lines!), Fuse's _Origami Boxes_ (09-006, $13), and _Classic Origami_ by
Pham Dinh Tuyen (? 80-054, $11).  (I posted about these items recently.)

Give them a call at (800) 347-0070.  Overseas orders are taken by (707)
468-9214.

- Gretchen





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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 20:09:55 -0400
From: Gretchen Klotz <gren@agora.rdrop.com>
Subject: 1000 Cranes: Various Issues

Greetings -

PLEASE REPLY CAREFULLY per instructions below.

I'm hoping that this will be the last post to the origami list on this
topic for awhile.  There are many people participating who are not
subscribers to that list, and I want to make sure they are included in the
discussions.  Contrarily, there are many on the origami list who are not
participating in this project who probably would prefer not seeing all the
messages about it.  So please follow up to me individually, and I will
forward your message to the participant address list I'm maintaining.  I
know it's a little cumbersome, but it's the only way I can think of (on
short notice) to include people who are interested in participating *and*
not clutter the mailboxes of those who are not.

And before I let those of you in the latter category go completely, I'll
make one last plea: we would like to have a crane from every state if at
all possible.  I've been so overwhelmed by answering all the messages I've
will be coming from!  So we'll trust in luck to provide an even
distribution, but do consider sending at least one crane if you can.
(Please send me *private* email if you haven't received the instructions
yet.)

There are several issues that various people have raised both publicly and
privately, and I'd like to take an opportunity to address them.  I welcome
your feedback.

First and foremost is publicity.  I envisioned this project as very grass
roots -- a goodwill gesture from the PEOPLE of the United States to one
particular PERSON (and by extension all the people) of Okinawa (and
Japan).  This is not a media event.  This is not a governmental gesture.
This is not a publicity stunt.  And I'd like to keep it that way.  Once
the media become involved, we lose a tremendous amount of control, and the
gesture would be seen in quite a different light, both by the people of
Japan and those in the states.  So while I encourage everyone to talk to
your friends about this, I request that you not seek out the media.  It's
almost inevitable that they will hear about it, and then we can develop a
press release and decide how to respond.  But I'd rather our immediate
concern be folding.

Someone mentioned that it would be good publicity for origami (which
doesn't receive much press) and for the Internet (which doesn't receive
much *good* press).  I agree, but again would rather wait until after the
cranes are received in Japan.

Finally, Maldon suggested that we extend the gesture to give strands of
cranes to rape victims and/or rape/crisis centers in the US.  I think it's
a fine idea, although the power of this particular project is that it is a
culturally-specific response to a tragic international incident.  I'm not
sure that 1000 cranes would be well-understood or appreciated by most
people in America, but of course it provides another opportunity to expand
the origami horizon!  I would suggest that anyone following up in this
manner coordinate the effort locally.

Thanks again to all who have responded, for all your ideas, support,
stories and folding!  Truly, I could not do it without you *all*.

- Gretchen

P.S.  My apologies to those of you who get 2 copies of this message because
you're on both lists!  I just wanted to make sure...

P.P.S.  And another reminder to PLEASE REPLY CAREFULLY.





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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 22:20:21 -0400
From: Kelly Reed <kreed@lcsc.edu>
Subject: re:1000 Cranes

        I also would like to help fold cranes.  I am glad you thought of
making such a hopeful gesture to this girl.

                              Kelly Reed
                              Lewiston, Idaho





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Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 00:28:43 -0400
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Origami records (OR) or not?

Does anyone know the record for:

Maximum No. of Modular Units in a single origami construction?

Origami FTC has the 900 Sonobe Unit "Sphere" by Students of the Ikeda
Institute (Osaka)

and several Kasahara sculptures of Sonobe Unit variations numbering
over 100 units; perhaps there are Kasahara sculptures with even
more units?

I believe the 900 Unit "Sphere" is the limit for the Sonobe Unit
technique used, and possibly for identical units, at least as with
respect to polyhedrons (Fuse's molecular-like unit "chains" wouldn't
be similarly limited, of cours. The Kasahara
sculptures involve several Sonobe variations.

Another possibility is "most units used to construct a
Sullivan Castle"...

I'm currently working on geodesics, which also involves use of
multiple similar units, but of varying lengths, so not identical.
Has anyone else explored origami geodesics?

--valerie





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Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 12:19:43 -0400
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Where to find modular "pineapple" form

It may not be what you saw in China, but I have seen very
convincing pineapples made of a modular form. The module is
very simple, starts life as a "waterbomb base" (which is
triangular looking). Assembly is kusudama style, i.e. with
either glue or thread. The modules are assembled in
flexagon-type rings.

A version diagrammed (and/or) by Hiroshi Kumasaka starts on
p. 96 of Nippon Origami Association "Kusudamas",
ISBN 4-418-88504-8  In Japanese, available from
OUSA supply center still June 1995; small format 109 p
paperback EXPENSIVE $26US (the US price of Japanese
origami books is scandalous). You might see if the OUSA
lending library has a copy (if you're a member).

If you're "into" modulars, you really ought to check out
all the kusudama books/diagrams you can get your hands
on: they're the original "UNIT ORIGAMI". And if you
have a thing about (pardon the expression) GLUE, many
of the newer designs are assembled without it. Tomoko
Fuse has a great book of Kusudamas. If you think you've come
up with a "new" variation on the Sonobe Unit, check out this
and other kusudama books first; odds are, its in there!

--valerie





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Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 13:37:18 -0400
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: IRC - Chat (not origami)

Just curious: I've never quite understood the passion for IRC.
To me it's slow, and the content, probably because of the pressure in
any "real time" communication to respond quickly, tends to be even
more "shoot from the hip" (not well thought out) than email and
newsgroups. I can sort of see the attraction for starving students
with "free" access to a big network Internet site, and buddies on
the other side of the globe.

But unlike email, other Internet activities such as IRC, Telnet, and
the WWWeb require real time, on-line transfers of packets over
the networks, and can be enormously profligate of resources
(bandwidth). Heavy graphical uses (WWW!), sound (Net "phone"),
and animation are the most demanding. Consequently IRC and
other forms of real time 'Net activities have real world
costs, both in direct economic cost, and costs in use of
time and resources.

Universities, schools and commercial providers are constantly
buying new bigger equipment to handle overloaded networks, but its
analogous to building freeways in the Los Angeles basin: You can't
expand them fast enough to prevent traffic jams, especially since
people use them wastefully (one per car). Meanwhile, schools &
universities are cutting their library book, staff & plant
maintenance budgets so they can buy more & bigger computers.

In my area during business hours and the most popular home
Web surfing hours as well, the networks are so clogged with
traffic (4th graders on the WEB getting whale getting whale
pictures & sound clips; government employees tinkering with
the graphics on their new home pages) that it sometimes
takes 3 hours to get access to a major government or university
Web or FTP site.  You can get the information you need faster
in person or by overnight mail!

Many businesses don't object (yet!) to a limited amount of personal
email (I can check mine during lunch, for instance, and save the
heavy downloads for home, and use my own Internet provider), but
the day is coming, boys & girls, when this too may pass.
Many businesses already restrict newgroups, Web access and IRC as
the biggest cause of productivity loss since Windows Solitaire.

And there is no such thing as "free" Internet service: somebody is
paying for the equipment, communication satellites, cable systems,
etc. Guess Who is footing the bill?! That's right folks; the costs
of all the "free" Internet stuff is right there in our tax
bills, phone bills, and the cost of goods & services we buy from
businesses who maintain a site/presence on the 'Net and/or
incur the costs of non-business related 'Net activity.
"We have met the enemy and it is us".

.. stepping off the soapbox  :-)

--valerie





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Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 15:49:10 -0400
From: unhinged@yrkpa.kias.com
Subject: Re: IRC - Chat (

You might like "Silicon Snake Oil" by Clifford Stoll.  IT's a cynical and
critical look at the 'Net as a wasteful resource.

I think 'Lost World'  by Crichton also had a line or two about it's
wastefulness and how the 'Net confines thought and creativity..





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Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 18:03:19 -0400
From: casida@ere.umontreal.ca (Casida Mark)
Subject: Re: Turkey

Hi,

There are probably some great turkey models out there.  But, if you
don't find one, a peacock model might work just as well.  It could
easily pass for a turkey in the context of the Thanksgiving holiday.

                                      ... Mark
>
>
> Hi,
>
> With the Thanksgiving season here, I have been looking for directions on
> folding a turkey. Would anyone be able or willing to help me out? Maybe
> scan into gif some pages from a book or something?
>
> P.S. I don't know about etiquitte in this mail server, so if I'm breaking
> rules forgive me.
>
> Thanks!
>
> martinb@ucs.orst.edu
> Bill Martin
>

--
*-------------------------------------------------------*
|          Mark E. Casida                               |
|          e-mail: casida@chimcn.umontreal.ca           |





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Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 18:44:35 -0400
From: jmarcoli@stratacom.com (John Marcolina)
Subject: Desparately Seeking Origami Fantasy

Hello All,
I recently saw another reference to the book "Origami Fantasy" by Fumiaka
Kawahata. I wanted to know if anyone has a line on where to find this book!
As an avid (make that rabid) folder of complex models, I simply must have a
copy! Robert Lang gave a glowing review of it a while back and I've been
searching for it ever since. Unfortunately, since there doesn't seem to be an
ISBN for it, and Robert couldn't read the publisher, no one seems to be able
to help me (including Kunikuniya bookstore - they said they might if they
knew the publisher).

Does anyone out there have any new information? Perhaps one of the members
residing in Japan can help?

Thanks in advance,

John Marcolina
jmarcolina@strata.com





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Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 23:31:32 -0400
From: parkmaam@gol.com (M. Schleicher P. Saalbach)
Subject: Re: Desparately Seeking Origami Fantasy

In reference to the "Origami Fantasy" request below, can someone who *has*
the book FAX me the cover and/or something resembling the
copyright/publisher info. page and I'll see what I can do at the local Tokyo
stores?  Having the name of the book in Japanese romaji may help if the
above fails.  Please contact me directly for my FAX number.  Thanks!

Pamela
parkmaam@gol.com

>Hello All,
>I recently saw another reference to the book "Origami Fantasy" by Fumiaka
>Kawahata. I wanted to know if anyone has a line on where to find this book!
>As an avid (make that rabid) folder of complex models, I simply must have a
>copy! Robert Lang gave a glowing review of it a while back and I've been
>searching for it ever since. Unfortunately, since there doesn't seem to be an
>ISBN for it, and Robert couldn't read the publisher, no one seems to be able
>to help me (including Kunikuniya bookstore - they said they might if they
>knew the publisher).
>
>Does anyone out there have any new information? Perhaps one of the members
>residing in Japan can help?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>John Marcolina
>jmarcolina@strata.com
>
>
>
Pamela Saalbach
parkmaam@gol.com

                            "If all the world were paper,
                               And all the sea were ink,
                        And all the trees were bread and cheese,
                             What should we do for drink?"

            (from a 1910 edition of "The Most Popular Mother Goose Songs")





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Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 00:13:40 -0400
From: sychen@ENH.NIST.GOV (Shi-Yew Chen)
Subject: Re: Desparately Seeking Origami Fantasy

>Hello All,
>I recently saw another reference to the book "Origami Fantasy" by Fumiaka
>Kawahata. I wanted to know if anyone has a line on where to find this book!
>As an avid (make that rabid) folder of complex models, I simply must have a
>copy! Robert Lang gave a glowing review of it a while back and I've been
>searching for it ever since. Unfortunately, since there doesn't seem to be an
>ISBN for it, and Robert couldn't read the publisher, no one seems to be able
>to help me (including Kunikuniya bookstore - they said they might if they
>knew the publisher).
>
>Does anyone out there have any new information? Perhaps one of the members
>residing in Japan can help?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>John Marcolina
>jmarcolina@strata.com
>
>

Hi,

I got one copy form Sasuga Japanese bookstore. They may still carry some of
the copies. Call them ASAP. Sasuga is on internet:
           e-mail:  sasuga@world.std.com (Karen Yahara)
              WWW:  http://www.terra.net/sasuga/
 7 Upland Road Cambridge, MA 02140 Tel: (617) 497-5460 Fax: (617) 497-5362

The book is published by Origami House, Tokyo.
English Title is Origami Fantasy. Japanese title is Kuusou Origami.
Publisher's phone # is (03)5684-6040.

For those who want to know its name in Japanese (hiragani & Kanji) please
look at my paper library book list collection page:
http://www.iia.org/~chens/myoribk.htm
Well you need to know kanji and hiragana!

---
Sy Chen
Origami Page - http://www.iia.org/~chens/pprfld.htm





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Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 04:35:10 -0400
From: vern@iNet.net (Vernon Zehr)
Subject: Re: IRC - Chat (not origami)

Valerie Vann wrote:

>But unlike email, other Internet activities such as IRC, Telnet, and
>the WWWeb require real time, on-line transfers of packets over
>the networks, and can be enormously profligate of resources
>(bandwidth). Heavy graphical uses (WWW!), sound (Net "phone"),
>and animation are the most demanding. Consequently IRC and
>other forms of real time 'Net activities have real world
>costs, both in direct economic cost, and costs in use of
>time and resources.
I am sorry this subject is not origami related but is relevant since we all
use the internet to comunicate. I have been reading a book called "Being
Digital" it is an absolute must read for anyone not sure where digital
technology is going and all the talk about bandwidth. The internet is
growing and changing. At the rate people are getting "connected" there will
be more people on the internet than are on the planet by the year 2000. I
can't explain in this short space how interesting this book is. irc chat is
nothing compared to what we will have in the future. Bandwidth will take
care of itself as the demand increases (you can't stop it anyway, why
try?). Anyway read the book it is great.
-Vern





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Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 13:08:54 -0400
From: Nick Robinson <nick@homelink.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Turkey

Try Randlett's "Best of origami", page 78.

Nick Robinson

            ***** "Origami isn't just for squares!" *****
                       my wife doesn't agree!!!
          http://sonja.acad.cai.cam.ac.uk/alex/nickdata.html





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Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 16:39:15 -0400
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: IRC - Chat (

"unhinged" wrote:
(sorry, I'd bet I'm not the only one on the list
who wishes some of you psuedonominous folks would
give the rest of us a clue as to who you are in
real life...)

<<a cynical and
critical look at the 'Net as a wasteful resource..>>

I think perhaps you need to read Silicon Snakeoil again:
Stoll is neither a cynic nor of the opinion that the 'Net
is a wasteful resource. He does think the 'Net as a resource
is over-hyped and all too often, wastefully and
inappropriately USED.

Apologies to the purely origami-oriented, by the way.
Its just that I don't have time for many mail lists, and
I know I count on this one for an intelligent discussion,
even "off-topic".

--valerie

Valerie Vann  compuserve: 75070,304
INTERNET:     valerivann@aol.com
      or:     75070.304@compuserve.com





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Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 20:39:34 -0400
From: ACPQUINN@myriad.middlebury.edu
Subject: Re: Turkey

As Mark said, a peacock works nicely in the place of a turkey... but to make it
more passable, shorten the tail a bit.  I've found that John Montroll's Peacock
works well for this...just fold in the top edges of the tail about halfway.
-Alasdair





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Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 20:36:49 -0400
From: rogerj@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
Subject: Re: Japanese Butterflies.

This is a real-for-sure magic trick.  Irv Cook and Harry Allen offered it
in a recent "Hot Sheet" (catalog update) from their shop Daytona Magic.
They also offer Michael Lair's "Floating Origami Bill".
Anyone interested in Daytona's number?

                      email: rogerj@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca

On Wed, 25 Oct 1995, John Smith wrote:

> David Lister in his superb essay 'The Migration of the Paper Flapping Bird
> to the West' mentions thta when Japanese magicians came to Europe in about
> 1880 thay showed many illusions previously unkmown in the west including
> 'Japanese Butterflies' in which paper butterflies appear to come alive and
> dance and flutter when they are thrown into the air.  David mentions that it
> is still performed today by conjurors.
>
> Can anyone throw light on 'Japanese Butterflies', is the illusion based on
> some fold or other and how is it achieved? It sounds a great trick for
> finishing off a talk.
>
> John Smith
> Norwich
> England
> e-mail  jon.pure@paston.co.uk





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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 01:02:23 -0400
From: unhinged@yrkpa.kias.com
Subject: Re: IRC - Chat (

Apologies for the "pseudonym".. this is Rob Hudson, the paperfolder
formerly known as Bill Anstine, or CptCobel (didn't have my own unix
account till now, and the provider neglected to include my real name on
the acct.)  As I am more of a VAX person, I haven't figured out how to
add the "Rob Hudson" part onto the From: line.

I must admit that I didn't get all the way through Snake Oil.. I probably
should have finished the book before I paraphrased :).

I would have to agree on the use aspect of the 'Net.  I recently advised
someone to turn down funding for an educational project which would
"bring science alive" by busing students to an interactive media center
uplink.  Seemed like a waste of money to pay for hte cameras, the
helicopters that circled the digs, the uplink (all that bandwidth) and
the busing just to make science "exciting" for middle and high school
students.

Or, as my MIS professor would say, the Internet is in the "control" stage
of evolution, in which costs begin to skyrocket and people find "neat-o
new things to do with technology"

Off topic..

Rob

On Sun, 12 Nov 1995, Valerie Vann wrote:

> "unhinged" wrote:
> (sorry, I'd bet I'm not the only one on the list
> who wishes some of you psuedonominous folks would
> give the rest of us a clue as to who you are in
> real life...)
>
> <<a cynical and
> critical look at the 'Net as a wasteful resource..>>
>
> I think perhaps you need to read Silicon Snakeoil again:
> Stoll is neither a cynic nor of the opinion that the 'Net
> is a wasteful resource. He does think the 'Net as a resource
> is over-hyped and all too often, wastefully and
> inappropriately USED.
>
> Apologies to the purely origami-oriented, by the way.
> Its just that I don't have time for many mail lists, and
> I know I count on this one for an intelligent discussion,
> even "off-topic".
>
> --valerie
>
> Valerie Vann  compuserve: 75070,304
> INTERNET:     valerivann@aol.com
>       or:     75070.304@compuserve.com





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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 08:39:34 -0400
From: Yusri Johan <gs01yyj@panther.Gsu.EDU>
Subject: Re: turkey

Here are some turkeys found from origami index:

Turkey
    Creator: Fredric G. Rohm
    Book: Best of Origami   page 78   By: Randlett, (ed) Samuel
    Begin w/ a sq folding into bird/frog base
    Level: I   12 steps   Folds: s/sq,rev,swivel,crimp

Turkey
    Creator: George Rhoads
    Book: Secrets of Origami   page 244   By: Harbin Robert
    Begin w/ a 1:2 folding into bird base
    Level: I   8 steps   Folds: sink,rev

Turkey
    Creator: Isao Honda
    Book: World Of Origami   page 96   By: Honda Isao
    Begin w/ a sq folding into bird base
    Level: L   14 steps
    Keywords: animal  bird  turkey

Turkey
    Creator: Traditional   Diagrams: Florence Temko
    Book: Origami Magic   page 32   By: Temko Florence
    Begin w/ a sq folding into kite base
    Level: S   9 steps
    A modular form needing 2 units (non uniform)

Turkey
    Creator: Robert Harbin   Diagrams: Robert Harbin
    Book: Paper Magic   page 56   By: Harbin Robert
    Begin w/ a sq folding into bird base
    Level: L   11 steps   Folds: sp/sq,rev

Cheers
--
Yusri Johan (gs01yyj@panther.gsu.edu)
Georgia State University
http://www2.gsu.edu/~gs01yyj/
Origami Page: http://www2.gsu.edu/~gs01yyj/origami/origami.html





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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 08:52:19 -0400
From: Yusri Johan <gs01yyj@panther.Gsu.EDU>
Subject: A good time to buy paper

Just a quickie!
        As you all already know that Christmas is around the corner, I
would like to say that this is a very good time to purchase some paper
expecially tissue paper and foil wrapping paper.

Tschus,
Yusri





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Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 10:25:41 -0400
From: Rjlang@aol.com
Subject: Re: Origami records (OR) or not? Some updates.

> Thanks to many contributions I already have the following updates of my
> Origami Records.
>
> Model with the most steps/folds.
>
> Robert Lang's Flying Samurai Helmet Beetle, see p96 in the Annual
Collection
> 1995 (OUSA)

Y'know, folks, I gotta problem with keeping records of this type (flattered
though I am to be mentioned): the number of steps in a model is a highly
variable quantity that depends on factors unrelated to the model, such as the
skill and/or sadism of the diagrammer. In the old (pre-computer) days, most
diagrammers tried to cram as much action as possible into each step to
minimize copying and re-copying and so older folding sequences tended to be
much shorter than today's. Modern diagrammers try to spread things out a bit
and give helpful intermediate steps (well, we *try* to make them helpful
<g>), which tends to puff up the step count.

But enough grousing. For the record, I should point out that for sheer number
of steps in a single model, Yoshino's T. Rex skeleton exceeds my FSHB by a
considerable margin.

Robert





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Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 10:40:37 -0400
From: Maumoy@aol.com
Subject: Re: Scoop, Scoop 1 Envelope

Does anyone know the origin of this fold?  It can be made from a square, A4,
8 1/2x11 or 8 1/2 x 14.  I usually fold it from legal size paper - it makes a
great envelope to send 4x6 photos.

I learned the fold from Kay Eng at BOS London '92.  Rona Gurkewitz is not the
creator.  John Cunliffe thinks David Lister got it from Bennett Arnstein and
it was shown at a Friends convention.  V'Ann Cornelius used a variation in
her COET95 presentation.

Thanks!

Marcia Mau





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Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 10:13:43 -0400
From: LFHBMS@aol.com
Subject: Re: 1000 Cranes is a Go!

Gretchen would be happy to help fold.  Send info Laura Faller Atlanta
    LTMBMS





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Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 10:43:43 -0400
From: piu1868@cdc8g5.cdc.polimi.it
Subject: Re: 1000 Cranes is a Go!

Dear Gretchen,
Excuse me if I didn't mail you sooner, but I have been busy and I did't have
     much time to look at my mailbox.
I am interested, too, in helping you out with this.
Please send me instructions.
Thanx
alessandro





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Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 10:38:33 -0400
From: parkmaam@gol.com (M. Schleicher P. Saalbach)
Subject: Origami for seeming 'un-WOW-ables'

Hi all!  Need your help in convincing a VERY practical-minded, engineer,
55-year-old, brother-in-law that it's a 'sin' he's lived his life without
origami. I want to fold some stuff for him that has him saying, "Say, let me
see that.  That's kinda neat.  How did you do it?"

FYI -- we have a running mutual friendly 'aggravation' campaign.  E.G.  I
gave him a PINK extension cord last year for Christmas and bet him to use
it.  He does, by golly, each chance he gets!  (P.S. the diggers in Japan are
two-tone purple!  And there are extension cords that are purple, too.)  I've
already folded and unfolded an eagle for him that I'll give him flat when I
tell him it's an eagle (argument naturally ensues, etc.)

So, guys, gals, what origami models just WOW the seeming un-WOW-able?

Thanks in advance for your imminently wise suggestions!

Pamela
Pamela Saalbach
parkmaam@gol.com

                            "If all the world were paper,
                               And all the sea were ink,
                        And all the trees were bread and cheese,
                             What should we do for drink?"

            (from a 1910 edition of "The Most Popular Mother Goose Songs")





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Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 10:30:39 -0400
From: jmarcoli@stratacom.com (John Marcolina)
Subject: Thanks!

I just wanted to thank everyone who responded to my message about Kawahata's
book, Origami Fantasy. I called Sasuga, and they are out of stock, but
they're ordering it for me.
I'm sure I wouldn't even know about this book if it weren't for this list,
now I'm going to own it! Thanks again!

For me,

"The waiting is the hardest part." - Tom Petty

John Marcolina
jmarcoli@strata.com





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Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 10:43:01 -0400
From: terryh@lamg.com (Terry Hall)
Subject: Re: Where to find modular "pineapple" form

Valerie,
I too thought that the books from Japan are very expensive until I found out
that the postage in Japan is horendous (sp ?). The book stores also charge
you the postage on all books from Japan, often doubling their price. So the
real problem is the high postage rate in Japan and not some "profiteering"
from the bookstores. A simple letter size costs Y120 (about $1.20) and we
only charge 32 cents. Just thought that you might like an explanation.

Terry Hall





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Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 10:34:57 -0400
From: Pruess Family <AB10TP3412.cin@desnews.com>
Subject: RE: Ghostscript

     I do not have Eudora, but I would UUENCODE using WinCode.  Also, do you
have any unzipping programs, because I think that it would be littler if I
compressed it first.
     Sorry I posted to the list with this, but I erased the original before I
replied.

++++++++++     BYU
John Pruess
utahjohn@aol.com
ab10tp3412.cin@desnews.com
103157.2343@compuserve.com
282 N. Seemore Dr.
Kaysville, UT 84037-9526
USA





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Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 10:39:51 -0400
From: Jeannine Mosely <j9@concentra.COM>
Subject: Re: Origami records (OR) or not?

Valerie  writes:

   Does anyone know the record for:

   Maximum No. of Modular Units in a single origami construction?

   Origami FTC has the 900 Sonobe Unit "Sphere" by Students of the Ikeda
   Institute (Osaka)

   and several Kasahara sculptures of Sonobe Unit variations numbering
   over 100 units; perhaps there are Kasahara sculptures with even
   more units?

   I believe the 900 Unit "Sphere" is the limit for the Sonobe Unit
   technique used, and possibly for identical units, at least as with
   respect to polyhedrons (Fuse's molecular-like unit "chains" wouldn't
   be similarly limited, of cours. The Kasahara
   sculptures involve several Sonobe variations.

   Another possibility is "most units used to construct a
   Sullivan Castle"...

   I'm currently working on geodesics, which also involves use of
   multiple similar units, but of varying lengths, so not identical.
   Has anyone else explored origami geodesics?

I have plans to make a depth 3 recursion model of a Sierpinski's
sponge (nice fractal solid) out of business cards.  As it will require
48,000 cards (but only two creases per), I think I'm going to need
some help.  (I have the cards, though!)  Shall we try for a record at
the next convention?

        -- jeannine "still crazy after all these years" mosely
