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Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 16:34:18 -0400
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Top Ten Models.

Way back in September John Smith posted his top ten models and I post this
reply.  Not quite top three, but so it goes. ;-)  Lines beginning with plus
signs are quoted from John's original message.

John Smith wrote his list of criteria/caveats and his top-ten folds.  What
the heck, I'll do the same.

John wrote:
+excluding the classic traditional folds. Obviously such a list reflects one's
+preferences and my list is no exception. I have not included any modular folds
+as I much prefer models made from a single piece of paper.

I, however, love geometric/modular origami and will allow modular stuff. ;-)

+                                                           I have not included
+any of the incredible technical folding, I prefer simplicity and elegance.

I will go along with this.  Besides, I don't know how I'd begin to rate them,
even subjectively!

+Except possibly for David Brill's horse I have not included any models
+which depend on wet fold sculpturing, for me this is not really paper
+folding. Anyway this is my list:-

I too will not consider wet folded models, but that is my own lack of
experience and exposure only.

Bibliogrpahic references in square brackets '[]' are explained at the end.

In no particular order, here is my list:

1. Kawasaki's Rose...
+Toshikazu Kawasaki  Rose. The the version with a complex curved sink to
+suggest extra petals. Surely the most convincing rose in Origami

Agreed!  Can be found in [OftC].

2. Beynon's Spring Into Action...
+Geoff Beynon, In and Out.  The most amazing abstract action model ever
+folded, it's a swine to fold though.

;-) Agreed.  Found in [JO] titled "Spring Into Action".  I have found a
square folded into 3x8 then folded with the "Spring Into Action"
creases/pleats works well.  I would imagine a long rectangle divided up
would make an amazing sight when "sprung".  John Smith "forgot" to mention
that he wrote a poem for this one as well, which is reprinted inside the
back cover of [JO].

3. The Sonob`e Unit, which can be found in [OftC] and [UOMT] and probably other
places.  This unit is versatile, allowing the creation of a host of
geometric forms as well as sculptures ([OftC]), but as a bonus it is
amenable to many different variations.  An all around stellar unit
performer.

4. The Ornamental Omega Star by Michael Naughton (Michael is this published in a
book anywhere?).  Related to the Sullivan/Shen Omega Star, but because it is
hollow it is more striking and can hold a cube for additional decorative
effect.  Most importantly, the empty center affords a much much easier
assembly than the Omega Star.

5. Daffodil (and stem) by Ted Norminton, which can be found in [CO].  This
is an _amazing_ flower, and ranks (in my book) as equal with the Kawasaki
Rose in terms of capturing the reality and soul of the subject.

6. Cat by Toshie Takahama, which can be found in [CO].  Of all the cat
models I have run across this one is my favorite, and I'll quote Jackson
with whom I completely agree:
    The cat is regarded by many creative folders to be a very difficult
    subject to capture in paper, because its shape is very simple and
    curved.  In the opinion of the author, Mrs. Takahama's Cat is the most
    successful version yet achieved, being well proportioned, full of
    character, instantly recognizeable and pleasing to fold.

7. My Favorite Fox by Kunihiko Kasahara in [OOPfE].  I was completely taken
in by this model when I first saw it, and am still enchanted to this day.
The simpliicty of the form and the use of curve are so clean and so
evocative.  Elegant is the best single word to describe it.

8. Stellated Octahedron by Sam Ciulla in [tAoO].  While not a true
stellation in the mathematical sense, it is a great one piece inflatable
alternative to the water bomb/ballon.  This is the first model I make when I
get new paper.

9. Kaleidoscope Flower, collected by Fumio Inoue and Hisa Amimoto, in
[tAoO].  'Also known as a flexagon' (Gay Merrill Gross).  I love this model
because the units are easy to fold, only moderately annoying to assemble,
and the model is a treat to play with.  A fun model for fussy handed people.

10. Frog with a Big Mouth by Robert Neale, in [OPaS].  Very simple, yet
instantly recognizeale (to steal a well turned phrase) and easily
teachable.  Delightful!

+Well that is my ten best (at the moment). I look forward to reading other
+peoples selections. I wonder how much one can guess about a person from
+knowing their top ten?

Perhaps too much! :-)  In my case it also shows that I've not had access to
the older "contemporary books" of the Harbin and early BOS era which have been
out of print longer than most of Jackson's books!

Bibliographic Key:
CO - Classic Origami
            by Paul Jackson
            (currently out of print)
            (is half of the book "Make it with Paper" by Vivian Frank and Paul
            Jackson - seen on the discount shelf at Barnes and Noble)
OftC - Origami for the Connoisseur
            by Kunihiko Kasahara and Toshie Takahama
            (currently out print)
OOPfE - Origami Omnibus Paperfolding for Everybody
            by Kunihiko Kasahara
OPaS - Origami Plain and Simple
            by Robert Neale and Thomas Hull
JO - Jeff 'Ori BOS Booklet #37
            By Jeff Beynon
Spirals - Spirals
            by Tomoko Fus`e
            (in Japanese)
tAoO - The Art Of Origami
            by Gay Merrill Gross
UOMT - Unit Origami Multidimensional Transformations
            by Tomoko Fus`e

Typos and miscredits are unintentional, please straighten me out if I have
made a mistake!

- -Doug





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Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 22:12:48 -0400
From: Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>
Subject: Re: Going West

On Fri, 3 Nov 1995, Winson Chan wrote:

> When your in Vancouver, there are two places you might want to visit:
> Sophia - Books from the Far East located at Granville and Nelson (Downtown
> Vancouver)
> Forgot the of the other place, but its at Main and 21st, lots of paper,
> but not too many books.

Defintely go to Sophia. The place on Main and 21st is called the "Japanese
Language Centre" (but it's run by Chinese people!). They do have paper, but
the selection varies with time. A much better place to visit is Paper-Ya,
on Granville Island. But then again, Paper-Ya doesn't compare with the
Japanese Paper Place in Toronto, so you might not want to visit it if
you've been to the JPP recently. The UBC bookstore had a reasonable origami
book selection when I was there, so that might be an option. I wonder if
they still have my models on display.

> If your in Vancouver on Nov 25, Sat.  there's is an origami club meeting.

How's that going, anyway?

Joseph Wu      <jwu@cs.ubc.ca> | Witty quote is now back to the
Former Master's Student        |   drawing board due to squeamish
University of British Columbia |   readers. Any suggestions?
WWW: http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/jwu/origami.html (Origami Page)





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Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 23:12:53 -0400
From: vann@tredgar.cardiff.com (VAnn Cornelius)
Subject: Re: two sided paper

The Origami USA supply center carried a paper called 'mono' which
is light weight and has terrific dyes that seem to resist fading
(although I didn't test it in direct sun.)

Some teaching supply stores carry a paper that is 3' wide on a roll
that is smooth on one side and rought on the other. Also a light
weight paper but does fade with long uses.  The fibers also don't
hold a crease as well as the 'mono' paper does.

V'Ann
vann@cardiff.com





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Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 00:06:49 -0400
From: DBSH47B@prodigy.com (MRS. JANET J HAMILTON)
Subject: Re: http://dubhe.cc.nps.navy.mil/~library/

-- [ From: Janet Hamilton * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --

Because there has been so many inquiries recently about origami sources,
I am posting the list I have compiled from past suggestions on this
list.  I am sorry that it is not well orgamized, and there may be
duplicates.  The list includes sources for craft supplies, paper, and
books.   Some are mail order sources and some stores.  Hope this is of
some help to people.

By the way, I'll be travelling to Irving and Dallas, Texas next month.
Anyone know of sources for books or paper in that area?

STORES, SUPPLIERS, PUBLISHERS

WASHINGTON, D.C.
----------------
1.   Borders Books, D.C.  on L street near 18th or in Rockville at the
White
Flint shopping Mall in Rockville (off Rockville Pike)  Both stores have
an
outstanding collection of Origami books. IMHO, D.C. slightly better
than
Rockville.
2.    Ginza, Connecticut Avenue, D.C. a Japanese gift shop with a
dwindling
supply of Origami books but a growing selection of prepackaged Origami
papers
and large sheets of beautifully printed Washi.
3.    Pearl Paint, Rockville on Rockville Pike about 3 miles north of
White
Flint Mall. Some prepackaged Origami paper but a wide selection of
exotic
papers - marbleized, washi, diaphanous patterned papers perfect for
baccoating, watercolor and charcoal papers for wet folding and any
other
kinds of supplies you might want for decorating paper e.g. watercolors,
markers, etc. A great art supply/arts and craft store.
4.    Visual Systems, a few blocks away from Borders D.C. has
interesting
single sheets of wrapping papers, many with animal prints on recycled
paper,
as mentioned in the Loose Ends catalog.

Aitoh
1434 28th Ave.
San Francisco, CA 94122
1-800-681-5533
FAX 415-566-1448
ask for catalog,minimum order $100 or so. If you pay up front they ship
free

Alufoil Products Co., Inc.
135 Oser Ave.
Hauppauge, NY 11788

BOS Supplies,
c/o Dr. Martin Wall,
21, Kennet Close,
Grove,
Wantage,
OXFORDSHIRE  OX12 0NJ
U.K.

Calumet Photographic at (800) CALUMET. Ask to have a catalog
sent to you.  Be sure to let them know you're interested in
paper cutters (they have several catalogs).  Here's the price
list from my 1994 catalog:
Cut Legth       Size          Price (US$)    Catalog #
12"         17.5"  x  15"      140.95           SO8912
15"        21.5"  x  15"     164.95           SO8915
17.5"     24"  x  15"      181.95             SO8917
24"         30.5"  x  15"      211.95             SO8924
30"         36.5"  x  15"      281.95             SO8930
36"         42.5"  x  15"      334.95             SO8936
42"         48.5"  x  15"      481.95             SO8942
54"         60.5"  x  15"      466.95             SO8954

Chaselle, Inc.
9465 Gerwig Lane
Columbia, MD 21046

Cheap Joe's Art Stuff
300A Industrial Park
Boone, NC  28607

Dale Seymour Publications
P.O. Box 10888
Palo Alto, CA  94303-0879
800-872-1100

Dick Blick
PO Box 1267
Galesburg, IL 61501
1-800-447-8192
Art Supplies

Dover Publications, Inc.
31 East 2nd Street
Mineola, NY  11501

Earth Care
(800) 347-0070.
Paper is $6.00 per pack of 50

Edward R. Hamilton, Bookseller
Falls Village, CT 06031-5000

Fascinating Folds
P. O. Box 2820-235
Torrance, CA  90509-2820
(tel) 310/378-0076
(fax)  310/378-0647
The paper is called Prism Color

The Herbarium
PO Box 246836
Sacramento, CA 95824
retail decorative papers and etc. - The
catalog is $2.50 ($4.00 for Canada):

Key Curriculum
PO Box 2304
Berkeley, CA  94702-9983
(800) 995-MATH

In San Francisco, so you probably already know about the small
Kinokuniya
stationery shop in a corner across from the big Kinokuniya bookstore in
the Japantown mall.
Kinokuniya Bookstores
NY: 212-765-1461
NJ: 201-941-7580
CA: 2141 West 182nd Street
    Torrance, CA 90504
San Francisco 415-567-7625     Costa Mesa 714-434-9986
San Jose      408-252-1300     Seattle    206-587-2477
Los Angeles   213-687-4480     New York   212-765-1461
Torrance      310-327-6577     New Jersey 201-941-758

Lee S. McDonald, Inc.
P.O. Box 264
Charlestown, MA  02129
617-242-2505
617-242-8825 fax
Paper Making Supplies

Loose Ends
PO Box 20310
Keizer, OR  97307
Their phone is (503) 393-2348, and fax is (503) 390-4724. $4.00
for catalog - lots of papers!!

Magnolia Editions Paper]
510-839-5268
Berkeley, CA
Paper Making Supplies

Origami Tanteidan,
Office 112,
Matuedaiichi Building,
2F 5-36-7 Hakusan,
Bunkyou-ku,
Tokyo,Japan

Origami Tanteidan
Matsuedaiichi Bldg.
5-36-7 Hakusan,
Bunkyo-ku, Tokyo, 112, Japan
Ph.#: (03) 5684-6040

OSN
P.O. box 35
9989 ZG Warffum
Netherlands
Fax: (0)5950- 3188
Netherlands Origami Society

Rugg Road Paper & Prints
One Fitchburg Street
Somerville, MA 02143
(617) 666-0007

S&S Arts and Crafts
75 Mill Street
Dept. 2020
Colchester, CT  06415
1-800-842-7730

Sanpho Corp.
189 State Street
3rd Floor
Boston, MA 02109
(617) 720-5370
FAX (617) 720-0887

Sax Arts and Crafts
PO Box 51710
New Berlin, WI  53151

Triarco Arts and Crafts, Inc.
14650 28th Ave NW
Plymouth, MN  55447

WORDSWORTH Books
30 BRATTLE
CAMBRIDGE, MA 02138
617-354-5201

Two paper stores that I know of in the  Atlanta area are Sam Flax on
Northside and Binders Discount Art Supply in  the Lindbergh Shopping
Center.

Speaking of run-of-the-mill, the following are 800-numbers (and
toll numbers) for some paper distributors. They are all uncoated,
recycled
stock. If you call, you may have to imply that you are planning a print
job, though they don't usually ask. If they ask you which swatch books
you
want, just request a sampling of "text, cover, and bond."
Beckett Paper Co.               800-423-2259
Cross Pointe Paper Co.          612-644-3644 (worth the toll call!)
Gilbert Paper Co.               800-828-4553
Graphic Suisse Inc.             800-944-7445 (specialty papers)
Hammermill Intl. Paper Co.      800-242-2148
Mohawk Paper Mills              800-441-3408
Neenah Paper                    800-338-6077
S.D. Warren Co.                 800-882-4332
Simpson Paper Co.               415-358-9970
Strathmore Paper Co.            800-423-7313
Weyerhauser Paper Co.           800-523-5590</pre>

U.S.A
-----

Aiko's Art Material Import Inc.           Bunkado
3347 North Clark St.                      340 East First St
Chicago, IL 60657                    Los Angeles, CA 90012
(312) 404-5600                    (213) 625-8673

Five Eggs                        If It's Paper
436 West Broadway                    535 Indian Trail-Lilburn Rd.
New York, NY 10003                 Lilburn, GA 30247
(212) 226-1606                    (404) 923-4735

If It's Paper                Jam Envelope & Paper Co.
8610 Roswell Rd.                       621 Sixth Ave.
Dunwoody, GA 30350                 New York, NY 10011
(404) 998-9226                    (212) 255-4593

Kate's Paperie                    Kinokuniya Bookstore
8 West 13 St.                10 West 49th St.
New York, NY 10011                 New York, NY 10020
(212) 633-0570                    (212) 765-1461
                                          (212) 765-7766

Kinokuniya Bookstore (in Yaohan Plaza)    Mitsukoshi
595 River Rd.                Japan Pav.-EPCOT Center
Edgewater, NJ 07020              P.O. Box 10000
(201) 941-9113                    Lake Buena Vista, FL 32830
(201) 941-4993                          (407) 827-8513

New York Central Art Supply Inc.          Paper Source
62 Third Ave.                232 West Chicago St.
New York, NY 10003                 Chicago, IL 60610
(212) 473-7705                    (312) 337-0798
(800) 950-6111

The Paper Tree                    Sasuga (Across from Porter Sq.)
1743 Buchanan Mall                 7 Upland Rd.
San Fransisco, CA 94115                  Cambridge, MA 02140
(415) 921-7100                    (215) 563-8742
                                          Tel: 617-497-5460
                                          Fax: 617-497-5362
                                          e-mail:  sasuga@world.std.com
                                          WWW:  http:
//www.japanese.com/sasuga/

Taws                    Uwajimaya
1527 Walnut St.                        Sixth South and South King
Philadelphia, PA 19102             Seattle, Washington 98103
(215) 563-8742                    (206) 624-6248

Zen Oriental Bookstore-Tokyo Shoten       Origami Source (OUSA Supply
center)
521 Fifth Ave.                            c/o Phyllis Meth
New York, NY 10175                        40-05 166th St.
(212) 697-0840                            Flushing, NY 11358

CANADA
------

The Japanese Paper Place                 Paper-Ya on Granville Island
887 Queen Street West        9-1666 Johnston St.
Toronto, Ontario M6J IG5                 Vancouver, British Columbia V6H 3S2
p: (416) 703-0089                    (604) 684-2531
f: (416) 703-0163

Sophia Books                              UBC Bookstore
725 Nelson St                             6200 University Blvd.
Vancouver, British Columbia               Vancouver, British Columbia
684-4032                                  822-2655

UK
--
Paper Chase,213 Tottenham Court Road

Faulkners Fine Papers 76 Southampton Row wc1 (superb Japanese papers
etc.)

The big library supply house Gaylords carrys archival quality
(ie acid free, PH neutral etc) tissue in sheets. (intended for
wrapping small museum objects and clothing in costume
collections), plus several varieties of glassine for
interleaving (in books with prints to keep the color from
coming off on the facing page.)
GAYLORD's Library Supply: PO Box 4901, Syracuse NY 13221-4901
1-800-448-6160

Contact paper like material 1-508-885-3973 Spencer, MA.  Great stuff
for GIANT origami.  Free,too!

Janet Hamilton





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Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 19:17:36 -0400
From: Raymond Koc <raykoc@sfsu.edu>
Subject: Where to find modular "pineapple" form

While in vacation in Hong Kong and China recently, I saw
a modular origami form made of small "dollar" bills. The modular shapes
where sort of trianglar in shape. The units were put together in shapes of
pineapples, ships, and even baskets. I explored many bookstores,
including the Japanese bookstore in San Francisco, in hopes of finding how to
make this unusual form, with no luck. I think the form might be Chinese
because I have never seen it anywhere else.

If anyone knows of a book that has this modular origami forms please
e-mail me. The book can be in any language.





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Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 01:27:02 -0400
From: marckrsh@pipeline.com (Marc Kirschenbaum)
Subject: Happy Birthday Tom!

I just wanted to let the members of Origami-L know that today, 11/5/95, is
Tom Hull's birthday. For the few of you out there who might not know him,
Tom is a frequent contributor to this list, who seems to get overly excited
when the discussion gets steered towards his other favorite subject, which
is math. I hope you can keep Tom extra busy now by inundating him with
happy bithday wishes.





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Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 01:50:35 -0400
From: LapinPub@aol.com
Subject: Re: Paper/Book sources in DC/Baltimore area

In a message dated 95-11-03 20:28:11 EST, you write:

>
>Does anybody know of a good source for origami papers and/or books in the
>Washington, DC or Baltimore area.  The only ones I know of are Ginza at
>Dupont Circle, which used to be a great source of funky papers, but isn't at
>this time, and Visual Systems, which is a generic kami source, period.
>Thanks.
>
>Michael Lindner
>mjlindner@aol.com

Well, you've pretty much covered it, and I agree, Ginza is not what it once
was.  I have, however, noticed in the past months that Chasselle (in
Columbia) has had an incresingly diverse array of precut papers to work with.
 Though on a recent project wherein I needed a certian type of paper fast I
ended up special ording it though Ginza (they had it within 2 days!) after
Chasselle let me down.  Chaselle, also, is a mail order source so anything
that they carry in the store can be bought through their catalog.  You might
also try the supply center at the Maryland institute of art (in Baltimore on
Mt.Royal near the train station)  I once discovered a nice cache of fine
uncut handmade stock there.  Good luck!

JCN (LapinPub@aol.com)





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Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 11:17:15 -0400
From: MJLindner@aol.com
Subject: Re: Paper/Book sources in DC/Baltimore area

In a message dated 95-11-05 00:56:51 EST, you write:

>Well, you've pretty much covered it, and I agree, Ginza is not what it once
>was.  I have, however, noticed in the past months that Chasselle (in
>Columbia) has had an incresingly diverse array of precut papers to work
with.
> Though on a recent project wherein I needed a certian type of paper fast I
>ended up special ording it though Ginza (they had it within 2 days!) after
>Chasselle let me down.  Chaselle, also, is a mail order source so anything
>that they carry in the store can be bought through their catalog.  You might
>also try the supply center at the Maryland institute of art (in Baltimore on
>Mt.Royal near the train station)  I once discovered a nice cache of fine
>uncut handmade stock there.  Good luck!
>
>

Thanks so much for your time and advice.  It sounds like a trip to Columbia
might be worth it.  BTW,
do you participate in any organized folding activities in the metro area?
 I'm not aware of any, but I thought it would be worth asking.

Thanks again,
Michael Lindner
mjlindner@aol.com





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Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 15:28:59 -0400
From: Maumoy@aol.com
Subject: Re: ORIGAMI sources

In  Chinatown NYC,  Oriental Culture Enterprises Co., Inc., 13 - 17 Elizabeth
St, Second Floor, NY, NY 10013, 212-226-8461, FAX 212- 431-6695 sells Chinese
origami books and Korean origami paper.  The latter is available in packages
of 6" and for $2.25 in cute plastic hassocks containing 500 sheets of 52x52mm
(approximately 2 1/16" squares) in five different assortments of patterns.
 On the same side of Elizabeth St. I found another store, Chinatown Books,
 which also sold origami books.  Elizabeth St. is one block west of Canal and
Bowery.

I haven't found origami paper or origami books in any Korean bookstores.  Has
anyone else had better luck?

On Canal St in NYC near Chinatown is Pearl Arts and Crafts.  They have
beautiful sheets of marble and fancy papers and a few origami books.  I found
Paulo Mulatinho's Origami 30 Fold-by-Fold Projects there in June for $9.88,
slightly discounted from $10.98.  They must have origami paper, too since
their DC area outlets sell origami paper.  Pearl also has a branch north of
Orlando.

Re:  2 sided paper:  I bought a pack of 6 5/16" (160mm) squares at Scholten
on Ferdnand Bol Straat in Amsterdam.  100 sheet assortment of pink, red,
green, yellow, and blue for 1.50 guilders ($1).  It is called Vouwblaadjes by
Van der Meulen Sneek B.V.  The store looked like a Woolworth's or Kresge's
clothing and housewares clearance center.

Does anyone have a source for Fadeless Duet by Bemiss-Jason?  It came in a
pack of 30  12x18" sheets in assorted duo color combinations.  Hammett's used
to sell it for $4.20.  I also found it at Film Services of Hawaii in
Honolulu.

I'm also looking for paper quilling supplies.  The strips are handy for
Swedish stars.

Re:  Neon index cards.  Found at Walmart in Northern VA and Osco Drugs in the
Chicago area.

Re:  Borders in the Washington, DC area.  There are several other branches in
the Northern  VA suburbs, including one at the Pentagon City Metro.  It's
across the st. from the Fashion Centre's Food Court, where Capital Folders
meets on the First Wednesday of the month from 6 til 9PM.

Re: Honolulu Sources. Holiday Mart, Shirokiya and Iida at Ala Moana for
paper, Bunbundo Bookstore, Iwase Books Honolulu, and Hakubundo Inc. at the
Chinese Cultural Plaza.  The latter had 2 books by Nishimura and Watanabe on
Japanese Paper Doll Craft (anesama ningyoo).

Re:  Chicago.  Toguri's on Belmont between Clark and the CTA station has
books and paper.  Star Market on Clark, north of Aiko's, has some paper.
 Both within walking distance of Aiko's.

Thanks to Janet Hamilton for compiling the source list in Digest 141.  Has
anyone thought of putting together a list of days of the month, times, and
places when the various groups meet?  It'd be fun to plan a trip around the
country to coincide w/ the various meetings and visit all those origami
sources, too!  It would also be useful if you have some flexibility in
scheduling work and personal trips.

Marcia Mau





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Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 15:41:54 -0400
From: Edward Crankshaw <ECRANKSHAW@nps.navy.mil>
Subject: Kinokuniya Bookstore in Seattle

The address for Kinokuniya Bookstore in Seattle according to the
Seattle phone book is:

519 6th S Seattle 98104

The hours of the stores down here in California range about 10:00
to about 6 or 7:00.

Ed Crankshaw
http://dubhe.cc.nps.navy.com/~ejcranks/origami.html





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Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 17:04:41 -0400
From: DBSH47B@prodigy.com (MRS. JANET J HAMILTON)
Subject: Re: ORIGAMI sources

-- [ From: Janet Hamilton * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --

In the central NJ area there are a few sources of books and paper:

Borders Books and Music on Route 18 in East Brunswick (Mid-State Mall)
has a fair selection of books.  They will also be glad to special order
anything in print.

Zany Brainy on Route 18 in East Brunswick (Mid-State Mall) has books,
mostly by Dover, and origami paper, paper making and marbelizing kits.

Pearl Arts and Crafts on Route 1 in Woodbridge (across from Woodbridge
Center Mall) has a few books, a decent selection of pre-cut origami
papers, and a large selection of sheets of marbelized paper, handmade
washi, and other interesting papers.

A.C. Moore Arts and Crafts on Route 27 in Edison (Tops Plaza) has a few
books and a small selection of paper.

I'll be in Irving and Dallas, Texas next month - does anyone know of
any good sources there?

Janet Hamilton





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Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 00:01:35 -0400
From: hull@hypatia.math.uri.edu
Subject: Happy Birthday Marc!

I just wanted to let the members of Origami-L know that today, 11/6/95, is
Marc Kirschenbaum's birthday.  For the few of you out there who might not
know him, get your eyes checked because Marc is always contributing
to this list with helpful insights.  He is also perhaps the youngest
living certified origami vetran (i.e., someone who goes back to the
days where the NYC convention was a gathering of 20 people at
Lillian Oppenheimer's apartment).  He can also play electric guitar
with Stevie Vai-esque speed!  He's my hero.  Happy Birthday Marc!

------------- Tom "fire up the T-Bird" Hull





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Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 00:41:35 -0400
From: GLORIA@usthk.ust.hk
Subject: Re: Paper around Boston

>
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> I lived in Boston for 2 years and the only 2 places I found worth getting
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> near Porter Square, and at the Children's Museum in Boston which is next
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Thanks again for the information. :)





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Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 08:58:59 -0400
From: Yusri Johan <gs01yyj@panther.Gsu.EDU>
Subject: Re: two sided paper

------------------V'ann Cornellius wrote:-------------------------

> The Origami USA supply center carried a paper called 'mono' which
> is light weight and has terrific dyes that seem to resist fading
> (although I didn't test it in direct sun.)
>
> Some teaching supply stores carry a paper that is 3' wide on a roll
> that is smooth on one side and rought on the other. Also a light
> weight paper but does fade with long uses.  The fibers also don't
> hold a crease as well as the 'mono' paper does.

There are two kinds of this paper.  One is called Decolor Art Paper and
the other is called the Art Kraft Paper.  Both comes in rolls.  The one
with smooth and rough side is the Kraft paper.  They are both extremely
cheap. A foot of the paper (3' X 1") is about $0.16 - $0.18 depending on
where you buy it.  A roll (3' X 1000') of decolor paper in Dick Blick
catalog is listed as $64.  I have tried laminating this paper with
aluminum foil and it works well.

Later,
--
Yusri Johan (gs01yyj@panther.gsu.edu)
Georgia State University
http://www2.gsu.edu/~gs01yyj/
Origami Page: http://www2.gsu.edu/~gs01yyj/origami/origami.html





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Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 16:03:18 -0400
From: MJLindner@aol.com
Subject: Source for Out-of-Print Books

I am in relatively urgent need of a copy of "Origami for the Conoisseur" and
"Origami Omnibus", both of which I believe are out of print.  Does anyone
know where I might be able to pick up these great books?

Thanks for answering (especially if your answer is yes),

Michael Lindner
mjlindner@aol.com





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Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 17:28:45 -0400
From: Kevin Thorne <C598033@MIZZOU1.missouri.edu>
Subject: Origami Sources in St. Louis

     Does anyone know of any good Origami sources in the St. Louis
area??  I might be heading that way later this month and wondered if
anyone had some info on good products available in the area.

                                Thanks,

                                Kevin

Kevin Thorne
c598033@mizzou1.missouri.edu
Columbia, MO





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Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 20:04:50 -0400
From: akriger@elroy.mv.us.adobe.com (Andy Kriger)
Subject: Looking for David Fisher

i found the paper "Origami on Computer" by David Fisher on the origami archives.

does anyone have an email or snail mail address for Mr. Fisher?

thx

Andy Kriger





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Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 13:38:22 -0400
From: Gretchen Klotz <gren@agora.rdrop.com>
Subject: Idea: One Thousand Cranes for the Okinawa Rape Survivor

Greetings -

I've been following the case of the American military personnel accused of
raping a 12-year-old girl in Okinawa with great sadness.  Today I heard on
the radio that all 3 pleaded guilty.  The victim wrote a letter that was
read in court expressing that she wished they would be sentenced to jail
forever.  It seems likely that this will be the case.

I've been wanting to reach out to this girl, to let her know that there
are Americans who are also appalled by what those men did to her, and to
wish her body and spirit thorough healing.  Yet words do not seem the
proper medium for expressing how I feel, nor for reaching her.

This morning I thought of sending her a thousand cranes.  The symbolism of
both healing and peace seems quite appropriate to me under the
circumstances.  Yet I don't know enough about Japanese culture to know if
it *is* appropriate.  And I'm not up to folding a thousand cranes on my
own right now.

So I thought I'd ask for your opinions.  I'd like to have some discussion
on the list about whether others think this is a good idea, and are
interested in helping fold the cranes.

Thanks.

- Gretchen

P.S.  This is my first post to the list from my new account.  Those of you
who with whom I've exchanged private email in the past may want to make a
note of it.

P.P.S.  To my folding friends who are blind-carboned on this message but
are *not* on the origami list, please email me privately if you have any
input.  Thanks.





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Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 16:12:15 -0400
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Idea: One Thousand Cranes for the Okinawa Rape Survivor

Gretchen,

If those more expert on Japanese culture than I think your
idea is OK, I would certainly pitch in with some cranes. (You
would have to decide what size paper you wanted to use, maybe the
3 inch kami that comes multicolor 100-250 sheets per pkg?)
Assembling them is several rainbow colored chains is what I've
seen pictured recently.

Do you know, or can you find out, how to get the cranes to her
if the project goes ahead? I suppose the American Embassy or
the Okinawa consulate? Going through the civil US authorities on
Okinawa might be better than going thru the military authorities,
unless perhaps one of the base chaplains?

Just some thoughts.

--valerie





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Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 17:31:42 -0400
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Super Strong Paper.

I haven't seen this come up in a while...

Does anyone have a source for paper that is at least as strong as the paper
used in US currency?  I _could_ buy uncut sheets of bills, but that is too
expensive.  I assume that the US Treasury/Mint doesn't just hand out blank,
ready for counterfeiting, paper.

Thanks!
-Doug





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Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 18:07:53 -0400
From: cspooner@gw.jmpstart.com (Courtney Spooner)
Subject: Re: Super Strong Paper.

Doug,

>Does anyone have a source for paper that is at least as strong as the paper
>used in US currency?  I _could_ buy uncut sheets of bills, but that is too
>expensive.  I assume that the US Treasury/Mint doesn't just hand out blank,
>ready for counterfeiting, paper.

I don't know about US Treasury paper but have you worked with Wyndstone's
Marble paper (aka elephant hide)?  It's thicker than bill paper but it's
incredibly strong.  If you're not sure what the paper looks a lot of Chris
Palmer's models from his display at the '95 convention were from Wyndstone
Marble.

If you're interested in the paper, the company is Wyndstone and the paper
type is Marble.  You should be able to call around local art stores and ask
if they carry the paper by name.  It's sold in large sheets mostly, although
I have seen it in packs of letter size from Paper Direct, a printing supply
company.

Courtney Spooner





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Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 18:53:18 -0400
From: Yusri Johan <gs01yyj@panther.Gsu.EDU>
Subject: conversing about origami via IRC

Hi all,
        Just want to throw something out and see what you think about
it.  Lately Juancarlos and I (independentlyand sometime simultaneously)
access IRC (internet relay chat) to see if anybody was there.  We both
make up a channel called #origami and see if anybody logged in and
discuss about origami.  Apparently not many of you access or have the
access to IRC.
        For me, IRC and mailing list is a good way to discuss about
origami.  One advantage of accessing IRC is that one can ask a dying
question about folding a particular model providing that there is
somebody knows about the particular model.  Instant question and instant
reply.  It is just like talking on the phone.  The difference is that you
need to type everything in.
        The server that Juancarlos and I connected to is
irc.colorado.edu 6665, we might not log on all the time, but we frequent
it often.

Any opinions?

Yusri





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Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 19:31:33 -0400
From: CM317@aol.com
Subject: Re: Idea: One Thousand Cranes for the Okinawa Rape Survivor

I would help you, if other people would be interested.

-CMM





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Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 19:44:39 -0400
From: vern@inetcom.net (Vernon Zehr)
Subject: Re: conversing about origami via IRC

Yusri Johan wrote:

>Hi all,
>        Just want to throw something out and see what you think about
>it.  Lately Juancarlos and I (independentlyand sometime simultaneously)
>access IRC (internet relay chat) to see if anybody was there.  We both
>make up a channel called #origami and see if anybody logged in and
>discuss about origami.  Apparently not many of you access or have the
>access to IRC.

I would be very interested in this. I am not sure if I have access to IRC.
I hve used the web chat but found it not very satisfying. Please, if you
can, get me some more info on this. I use a Macintosh and have internet/web
access. also have demo of phone net that I haven't used yet (neeed someone
to call to use it)

        -Vern





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Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 21:28:40 -0400
From: Kevin Thorne <C598033@MIZZOU1.missouri.edu>
Subject: Televised Origami

     I was flipping through channels this afternoon when I heard the word
Origami mentioned and of course checked it out.  Turns out I saw the last
3 or 4 minutes of today's Beyond 2000 on the Discovery channel.  The final
section of the day was on the importance of Origami in the scientific
world.  A professor Mannura (sp.?) was talking with the host of the show-can't
think of his name at the moment.  They were talking about the processing
power of Origami as compared to euclidean geometry and the advantages that
Origami has.  One example was the ability, through a series of folds, to
perfectly trisect an angle--an accomplishment formerly thought to be
impossible.  Professor Mannura even talked about the possibility of using
Origami to move into the 4th dimension.
     I've seen Origami used as props before, but it was pretty cool to see
an exploration of the scientific properties behind the art of origami.

                                Later,

                                Kevin

c598033@mizzou1.missouri.edu
Columbia, MO
USA





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Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 23:15:29 -0400
From: hull@hypatia.math.uri.edu
Subject: Re: Televised Origami

Hey!

> The final section of the day was on the importance of Origami in the
> scientific world.  A professor Mannura (sp.?) was talking...

        This was probably Professor Miura of Seian University.  He has
written a number of wiz-bang articles on applications of mathematical
models of origami.  He's a pysicist and is generally considered a
very smart dude.  But I have a nit to pick here ...

> They were talking about the processing power of Origami as compared
> to euclidian geometry and the advantages that Origami has.

        This is the kind of silly talk that I've seen a lot of in
origami-math literature.  (Not to offend Mr. Thorne, the author of
the above quotes - I imagine he was just repeating what they said on
TV.)  The fact is that statements like "euclidean geometry is less
powerful than origami geometry" make no sense.  What they *really* mean
is the following:
        If you look at all the types of things you can construct
with ONLY a straight edge and a compass, then no, you can't trisect
angles or construct the cube-root of 2 or things like that.  However,
if you look at all the kinds of things you can construct with
paperfolding (i.e., given a piece of paper and all the normal
origami operations) then you CAN trisect any angle and you CAN
construct the cube-root of 2, etc.  So it is completely
valid to say that origami is more powerful than straight-edge and
compass geometry.  If this (straight-edge and compass constructions)
is what you mean by "euclidean geometry", then yes, origami is
more powerful.  But euclidean geometry often is used to mean much
more than just straight-edge and compass doodlings.
        The problem that I have with all this is that it seems as if
people want to hold up origami as the "most powerful" geometric system
in existance, something that is totaly revolutionary which can
change the world as we know it.  In my opinion, nothing could
be further from the truth.
        For example, mathematicians have known for 200 years that
you can't trisect an angle by only using a straight-edge and compass. (Or
maybe it's only 150 years ... whatever.)  However, math geeks have
also known for just as long that you CAN trisect an angle if you
allow yourself to use MORE than just a straight-edge and compass.
E.g., if you allow yourself to use a *ruled* straight edge (i.e.,
a straight edge with ruler marks on it) and a compass, then
trisecting angles IS possible.  And mathematicans have known this
for a long time.  This is why statements like "they always thought
trisecting angles was impossible until they used origami" are
moronic.  It ignores the whole history of the problem.
        (And if you think about it, it's really no surprise that
you can trisect angles via origami, since you can easily "rule"
the edge of the piece of paper by making 1/2, 1/4, 1/8, ... pinches
in the side.  Thus anything that you could do with a ruled straight-edge
and compass should be doable via origami.)

> Professor Mannura even talked about the possibility of using
> Origami to move into the 4th dimension.

        I'm sorry, but I laughed out loud when I read this.  I can just
see them in Star Trek, "We can use the principles of origami to
fold ourselves through time and space..."  (Actually, Prof. Kawasaki
HAS done research on "4 dimensional folding", but it really has
nothing to do with "using Origami to move in the 4th dimension".)

        Don't get me wrong, I find origami geometry extremely
interesting and something worthy of further study.  (Indeed,
mathematicians don't know what the limits of origami constructions
are!)  But this type of romanticising of origami geometry is silly
and harmful - it only perpetuates missinformation about origami.

------------ Tom "on the sugar highway to heaven" Hull





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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 00:23:49 -0400
From: Fred Curtis <fred@zip.com.au>
Subject: Trisections (was Re: Televised Origami)

Tom "exorcising the Romance outta origami geometry" Hull wrote:
> [...]
>       For example, mathematicians have known for 200 years that
> you can't trisect an angle by only using a straight-edge and compass. (Or
> maybe it's only 150 years ... whatever.)  However, math geeks have
> also known for just as long that you CAN trisect an angle if you
> allow yourself to use MORE than just a straight-edge and compass.
> E.g., if you allow yourself to use a *ruled* straight edge (i.e.,
> a straight edge with ruler marks on it) and a compass, then
> trisecting angles IS possible.  And mathematicans have known this
> for a long time.  This is why statements like "they always thought
> trisecting angles was impossible until they used origami" are
> moronic.  It ignores the whole history of the problem.

Tom wrote the rant I restrained myself from posting :).  For those
interested in some of the near misses, bad misses and downright bizarre
attempts at trisection via compass-and-straightedge over the years,,.  I
heartily recommend Underwood Dudley's "A Budget of Trisections" (pub.
Springer-Verlag).

--
Fred Curtis  -*-  fred@zip.com.au  -*-  http://www.zip.com.au/~fred

"Soon every Tom, Dick and Harry with a big magnet is going to be doing
 psychological activation studies"   --  New Scientist 7 Jan 1993, p. 33.





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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 01:28:25 -0400
From: JENEVOLD@aol.com
Subject: Re: One Thousand Cranes for the Okinawa Rape Survivor

>interested in helping fold the cranes.

I would help, and I know some adolescent girls who might like to assist in a
project dealing with a threat they worry about. Let me know your plans.

Julie Enevoldsen
jenevold@aol.com





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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 04:39:21 -0400
From: knuffke@sirius.com (Charles Knuffke)
Subject: Re: Source for Out-of-Print Books

>I am in relatively urgent need of a copy of "Origami for the Conoisseur" and
>"Origami Omnibus", both of which I believe are out of print.  Does anyone
>know where I might be able to pick up these great books?

I believe "Origami Omnibus" is back in print. I think I saw some copies
while I was in the San Francisco Kinokuniya Bookstores.Try them at
415-567-7625.

Origami for the Conoisseur" is a different story. I've been looking for
that one myself, and haven't had any luck. Let me know if you get more than
1 offer - I'd love to be able to find that one.

Regards + Good Luck,

Charles Knuffke

*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
Charles Knuffke               knuffke@sirius.com
153 Divisadero
San Francisco CA 94104
          "Amen the Thunderbolt in the Dark Void"





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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 09:44:42 -0400
From: farrarb@vnet.net (Bill Farrar)
Subject: Re: Idea: One Thousand Cranes for the Okinawa Rape Survivor

I would gladly help, too.  I saw the story on the news, and really
wanted to do something.

bill
Bill Farrar, C++Windows Programmer.
The Linking and Binding is the Important step...
"60 Million Gigabits can do alot.  It can even do Windows"
Fred Pohl, _Beyond_The_Blue_Event_Horizon_





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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 10:43:20 -0400
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: Super Strong Paper.

Courtney,

+If you're interested in the paper, the company is Wyndstone and the paper
+type is Marble.  You should be able to call around local art stores and ask
+if they carry the paper by name.  It's sold in large sheets mostly, although
+I have seen it in packs of letter size from Paper Direct, a printing supply
+company.

Thanks for the info!

If anyone else has info on other strong papers, I'd appreciate hearing about
them too!  After, one can never really have too much paper, just too few
projects that make use of it!

-Doug





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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 11:31:31 -0400
From: dzimm@nando.net (David Zimmerman)
Subject: Re: Super Strong Paper.

"> Doug Philips wrote ..."
>
> Courtney,
>
> +If you're interested in the paper, the company is Wyndstone and the paper
> +type is Marble.  You should be able to call around local art stores and ask
> +if they carry the paper by name.  It's sold in large sheets mostly, although
> +I have seen it in packs of letter size from Paper Direct, a printing supply
> +company.
>
> Thanks for the info!
>
> If anyone else has info on other strong papers, I'd appreciate hearing about
> them too!  After, one can never really have too much paper, just too few
> projects that make use of it!
>
> -Doug
>
I love elephant hide. I use it for modulars, tesselations(!), boxes and other
geometrics. It's super tough and puts up the rpeated folding and unfolding
that many of the tesselations require. I live near Courtney, so I get her
to cut me squares of the stuff (and she charges me what I hope is a fair
price for her time though sometimes it seems too low).

--
David P Zimmerman             dzimm@nando.net
916 Riderwood Ct               919 557 7692
WillowSpring NC 27592           D-17293

"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend: and inside a dog,
 it's too dark to read."
                -- Groucho Marx





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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 12:10:10 -0400
From: JRMetzger@aol.com
Subject: Cool Web Site - www.amazon.com bookstore

FYI -
There is an on-line bookstore on the web, at http://www.amazon.com. It
supposedly has  over 1 million books available to order. I did a keyword
search on "origami", and it came back with 189 hits, mostly available at 10%
off list. It had detailed information on eack book, including author, ISBN,
publisher, pub. date.
About 50 books were classified as "special order", which included soon-to-be
published books such as Tokohama's "The Complete Origami Collection" (1/96)
and Temko's "Money Folding" (10/95?), and "out-of-stock-indefinitely" books
such as "Origami for the Connoiseur" and "Origami Omnibus".
The list seemed pretty accurate and up-to-date as far as US books in print
are concerned. I haven't actually ordered any books from them yet, so I can't
attest to their shipping costs, service, etc. They also have a "Personal
Notification Service" which will e-mail you when a book with the subject
you're interested in is available.
Just thought this would be interesting to all...
If any UK people know of web sites for UK-based bookstores, I'd be very
interested in seeing them! Thanks.

Yaacov Metzger





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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 13:02:08 -0400
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Super Strong Paper.

Doug,
If you're interested in strong paper for money folds,
you might  try Tyvek. Some stationery stores carry
it in 8.5 x 11 for  copies of stuff that gets used a lot,
(its used for mailing envelopes, FedExpress etc.)
Only available in white, but has a sort of cloth-paper
feel like money paper, and folds fairly well. is about
the same weight as money paper.
Also available by scrounging at construction sites
and building supply (comes in great big rolls so
ask for leftovers unless you're doing the worlds
biggest money fold.) New houses are "wrapped up"
in the stuff over the insulation.  The construction stuff
is sometimes light blue I think.
--valerie





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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 13:45:56 -0400
From: Sharon Gerber-Boeder <sgerber-boed@edgewood.edu>
Subject: Angels, etc...

HI!  I'm new to the origami listserv and consider myself an "intermediate"
in origami. I'm impressed with the knowledge and sensitivity of those who
are participating in this forum. Presently, working with college students
in a mental health setting and at a hospice. The students like to fold
while waiting for a counselor and in the hospice origami seems to help family
members to pass time.  We write prayers and wishes on the paper before
folding.  Cranes are a favorite.

Has anyone ever come across a way to fold angels?  Or have other ideas that
may be appropriate for these folks?

Sharon
Sgerber-boed@Edgewood.edu





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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 17:16:16 -0400
From: MJLindner@aol.com
Subject: Re: Source for Out-of-Print Books

In a message dated 95-11-08 03:44:47 EST, you write:

>I believe "Origami Omnibus" is back in print. I think I saw some copies
>while I was in the San Francisco Kinokuniya Bookstores.Try them at
>415-567-7625.
>
>Origami for the Conoisseur" is a different story. I've been looking for
>that one myself, and haven't had any luck. Let me know if you get more than
>1 offer - I'd love to be able to find that one.
>
>

Thank you. If I'm able to find OftC, I'll be sure and let you know.

Michael Lindner
mjlindner@aol.com





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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 17:39:24 -0400
From: Kevin Thorne <C598033@MIZZOU1.missouri.edu>
Subject: Re: Angels, etc...

     There are several models around.  The ftp site has diagrams available
for a model I believe by Maarten Van Gelder that you can print out for
yourself.  There is also a good model in Origami Omnibus that I particularly
like.  If you want to see most of the models available, go to the model list
at the ftp site.  the address is ftp rugcis.rug.nl

Kevin
c598033@mizzou1.missouri.edu
Columbia, MO
USA





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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 18:24:01 -0400
From: "Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy)" <sychen@ENH.NIST.GOV>
Subject: Re: Angels, etc...

At 01:46 PM 11/8/95 -0400, you wrote:

>
>Has anyone ever come across a way to fold angels?  Or have other ideas that
>may be appropriate for these folks?
>
>Sharon
>Sgerber-boed@Edgewood.edu
>
Send an e-mail to  maarten@info.service.rug.nl with body text of "oriindex
angel". You should be able to get model list related to "Angel".
There are at least 8 models in the database.

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Sy Chen <sychen@enh.nist.gov>
Origami Page - http://www.iia.org/~chens/pprfld.htm





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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 21:02:18 -0400
From: Rjlang@aol.com
Subject: Re: Televised Origami

>  Don't get me wrong, I find origami geometry extremely
> interesting and something worthy of further study.  (Indeed,
> mathematicians don't know what the limits of origami constructions
> are!)  But this type of romanticising of origami geometry is silly
> and harmful - it only perpetuates missinformation about origami.

I couldn't agree with you more Tom! And speaking of laughable things written
about origami, I was re-reading the Auckly & Cleveland article (for those
just tuning in, this was an article in the American Mathematical Monthly in
which the authors claimed to prove trisections were impossible using origami,
laughable because origami trisections were already known twenty years ago).
As you have observed, they left out the basic operation of "bring two
separate points to two separate lines." They also left out the operation
"bring one point to a line with the crease formed going through a second
point," which is sort of related. Using this operation one can construct a
right triangle given hypotenuse and leg (one of the broad categories they
claimed impossible). Is your scathing rebuttal assigned a publication date
yet?

Robert





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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 22:26:37 -0400
From: Edward Crankshaw <ECRANKSHAW@nps.navy.mil>
Subject: Paper like U.S. Currency

I have seen recycled paper available made from money through a company
called

On Paper, 3342 Melrose Ave., Roanoke, VA 24017 (1.800.820.2299).

I don't, however, know if the strength is the same. They also have a
paper made from cotton denim (bluejeans). The paper comes in 8.5 x 11
sheets and have matching envelopes.

Ed Crankshaw
http://dubhe.cc.nps.navy.mil/~ejcranks/origami.html
ecrankshaw@nps.navy.mil





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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 00:07:46 -0400
From: GLORIA@usthk.ust.hk
Subject: Re: Angels, etc...

Maybe you should check on a site called "Postscript Diagrams for Origami
Models".  You can try Internet Search.  I believe you could also check
on Joseph Wu's homepage.





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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 00:47:05 -0400
From: Laurie Bisman <lbisman@sirranet.co.nz>
Subject: 1000 Cranes

I too would be happy to contribute.

It occurred to me that we should try to get as many people from as many =
different countries to contribute in some way, thereby showing our =
collective concern about what has happened.

What do others think?





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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 00:51:57 -0400
From: Laurie Bisman <lbisman@sirranet.co.nz>
Subject: RE: Super Strong Paper.

Calligraphy paper (parchment type) is excellent for folding.. takes a =
crease really well but you have to careful that you mean what you crease =
because unlike love, creases in parchment *are* forever!

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From:   Doug Philips[SMTP:dwp+@transarc.com]
Sent:   Thursday, 9 November 1995 03:43
To:     Multiple recipients of list
Subject:        Re: Super Strong Paper.

Courtney,

+If you're interested in the paper, the company is Wyndstone and the =
paper
+type is Marble.  You should be able to call around local art stores and =
ask
+if they carry the paper by name.  It's sold in large sheets mostly, =
although
+I have seen it in packs of letter size from Paper Direct, a printing =
supply
+company.

Thanks for the info! =20

If anyone else has info on other strong papers, I'd appreciate hearing =
about
them too!  After, one can never really have too much paper, just too few
projects that make use of it!

-Doug





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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 01:22:08 -0400
From: "Jeffrey M. Goff" <jgoff@esu6.esu6.k12.ne.us>
Subject: Re: conversing about origami via IRC

On Tue, 7 Nov 1995, Vernon Zehr wrote:

> Yusri Johan wrote:
>
> >Hi all,
> >        Just want to throw something out and see what you think about
> >it.  Lately Juancarlos and I (independentlyand sometime simultaneously)
> >access IRC (internet relay chat) to see if anybody was there.  We both
> >make up a channel called #origami and see if anybody logged in and
> >discuss about origami.  Apparently not many of you access or have the
> >access to IRC.

It's not so much lack of interest as lack of communication. I'm sure that
now that the word is out, you'll have more participants.
I'll probably check in on occasion, now that I know it's available.
The primary problem is that IRC isn't terribly easy to browse. Like FTP,
you generally have to know that the site exists to connect.

Incidentally, the IRC server that you log into doesn't much matter,
unless it's one of the Undernet sites. Read the alt.irc FAQ for more details.

> I would be very interested in this. I am not sure if I have access to IRC.
> I hve used the web chat but found it not very satisfying. Please, if you
> can, get me some more info on this. I use a Macintosh and have internet/web
> access.

If you've got a Macintosh, I recommend ircle 2.18, available on any of
the large Macintosh sites (sumex-aim, ftp.wustl.edu, archive.umich.edu).
Make sure that you get version 2.18, though. There's an annoying security
hole in all versions earlier than 2.18. If you want details, send me
private e-mail.





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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 02:56:12 -0400
From: LapinPub@aol.com
Subject: Re: Angels, etc...

The best Angels that I have seen are those by Tom Stamm, I believe he is on
this list but if not you can email him @ stamm@aol.com





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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 03:25:33 -0400
From: star@redshift.com (Star Reierson)
Subject: Re: 1000 Cranes

>I too would be happy to contribute.
>
I asked a Japanese friend if 1000 cranes would be a compassionate apology.
She assured me that it would send our wishes of physical and emotional healing.

She also offered help.

Any progress on finding the girl's address?

Star Reierson
