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Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 01:33:49 -0300
From: vern@inetcom.net (Vernon Zehr)

Hello people,
Is everyone finished venting about the dragon thingy?
good.
Onward and upward.

        I have been trying to make the butterfly from Langs Insects and
their kin and I have been having a terrible time with steps 26-32.
specificaly the pleat folds on step 30. I always end up getting frustated
and just fudging it but on steps 44-48 I pay the price. How is this done? I
promised someone a butterfly and now my paperfolding reputation is on the
line.
Thanx in advance for any help.
        BTW I used to be Origamiist from aol. Well to be honest I still am.
I wanted to try the internet, www thing. I like the mail reader, now I can
do those cool reply things:

> How dare you send graphics to the listserver, blah, blah, blah
> blah, blah, blah blah, blah, blah
> etc, etc, etc, etc, etc,

Just kidding ;-)
-Vern





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Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 16:07:20 -0300
From: Jeanine Meyer <MEYER@pacevm.dac.pace.edu>
Subject: independent study; a lurker

I have been inspired by the last digest to participate after lurking.
It was Melissa saying something about Gretchen Klotz's father, a
mathematician in Philadephia:  is this Prof. Klotz at Swarthmore who has
a geometry project?
Re: request for ideas for independent study
I echo what was implied before: the COET proceedings would be
a source of ideas. The topic I spoke about at COET was Origami
in the (regular) classroom, specifically origami in service of
mathematics.  There are trends in mathematics education that are
very supportive of many aspects of origami: students teaching students,
applications of geometry and spatial relations, promoting math
discourse (people 'talking mathematics' about things).
Send a note and we can chat some more.

Jeanine Meyer
(two "n's" not three, like Jeannine Moseley, but also working in the
computer field).





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Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 16:41:26 -0300
From: William Anstine <cptcobel@yrkpa.kias.com>
Subject: Re: your mail

I had the same problem... I've got to impress this girl, and she saw
Lang's book (note: never bring a Lang book you have not attemped a single
model in as a demonstration of origami books to non-folders)

On Sat, 14 Oct 1995, Vernon Zehr wrote:

> Hello people,
> Is everyone finished venting about the dragon thingy?
> good.
> Onward and upward.
>
>         I have been trying to make the butterfly from Langs Insects and
> their kin and I have been having a terrible time with steps 26-32.
> specificaly the pleat folds on step 30. I always end up getting frustated
> and just fudging it but on steps 44-48 I pay the price. How is this done? I
> promised someone a butterfly and now my paperfolding reputation is on the
> line.
> Thanx in advance for any help.
>         BTW I used to be Origamiist from aol. Well to be honest I still am.
> I wanted to try the internet, www thing. I like the mail reader, now I can
> do those cool reply things:
>
> > How dare you send graphics to the listserver, blah, blah, blah
> > blah, blah, blah blah, blah, blah
> > etc, etc, etc, etc, etc,
>
> Just kidding ;-)
> -Vern





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Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 22:13:18 -0300
From: Melissa Dershewitz <mdershew@reed.edu>
Subject: Re: independent study; a lurker

On Sat, 14 Oct 1995, Jeanine Meyer wrote:

> I have been inspired by the last digest to participate after lurking.
> It was Melissa saying something about Gretchen Klotz's father, a
> mathematician in Philadephia:  is this Prof. Klotz at Swarthmore who has
> a geometry project?

Yes, you speak of the same Prof. Klotz!  His current project is the
Geometry Forum - check it out at http://forum.swarthmore.edu/. Come
January the Geometry Forum will expand to become the Math Forum (with more
of an emphasis on math education), and that's the project I'm going to be
working on.

Melissa





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Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 01:36:48 -0300
From: marckrsh@pipeline.com (Marc Kirschenbaum)
Subject: Re: your mail

On Oct 14, 1995 16:41:26, 'William Anstine <cptcobel@yrkpa.kias.com>'
wrote:

>I had the same problem... I've got to impress this girl, and she saw
>Lang's book (note: never bring a Lang book you have not attemped a single

>model in as a demonstration of origami books to non-folders)
>

Yeah, there are probably much easier ways of impressing women...

>On Sat, 14 Oct 1995, Vernon Zehr wrote:
>

>>         I have been trying to make the butterfly from Langs Insects and
>> their kin and I have been having a terrible time with steps 26-32.
>> specificaly the pleat folds on step 30. I always end up getting
frustated
>> and just fudging it but on steps 44-48 I pay the price. How is this
done? I
>> promised someone a butterfly and now my paperfolding reputation is on
the
>> line.

The way I did step 28 was by disregarding Lang's text, and forming closed
sinks (which in this instance is easier than the open-sink variety). I then
stretch down the locked top point to convert the construction into the
open-sink formation. As for step 30, the most critical fold is the bottom
mountain-fold that lies near the raw edge. Once this is in place, the
others could even be located by feel. As Robert noted, this sequence is
repeated six moe times, so you will have plenty of practice to impress that
special someone.

Marc





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Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 03:00:32 -0300
From: PenneyA@aol.com
Subject: Re: OUSA membership

Happy birthday and here is the way to a membership.  Send $25 to
 Origami USA
15 West 77th Street
New York, NY 10024-5192
Attn: Membership





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Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 03:38:12 -0300
From: Pam Sirivedhin <pam@hel.ME.Berkeley.EDU>
Subject: OUSA Lending Library:  Canada okay, too.

Grace, the OUSA Lending Library is available for people in the
continental US *and* Canada, so you'll be able to use it, too.  =-)

Anyway, my original question was actually meant to ask for the details
from those who have used the service before, such as what the exact
procedure is, how long you can keep the book(s), how many books you can
borrow at the same time, what kind of material is available (whether it
include books currently available for sale at the Origami source, the
annual collections, BOS stuff, newsletters from various groups, etc?)
and such things.  I suppose when i write for more info, most(or all) of
these questions will be answered anyway, but I would like to place an
order to the Origami Source soon and there are a few things that I might
not buy if I could just borrow instead.  So if someone could enlighten me
on some of these questions, I would appreciate it.

Thank you.
pam





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Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 22:49:30 -0300
From: DBSH47B@prodigy.com (MRS. JANET J HAMILTON)
Subject: Re: OUSA Lending Library:  Canada okay, too.

-- [ From: Janet Hamilton * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --

> Anyway, my original question was actually meant to ask for the
details
> from those who have used the service before, such as what the exact
> procedure is, how long you can keep the book(s), how many books you
can
> borrow at the same time, what kind of material is available

When you write for information on the lending library, you will get a
list of what materials are available.  The list does include some, but
not all, the books available through the Origami Source.  You then send
in a request with first and second choices, and the appropriate fee
($2.50 for US and $3.00 US for Canadian).  You can keep books for three
weeks, which starts from the day they are mailed out, and they must be
return postmarked by the due date.  There is a late fee of .50 per day.
You are allowed only allowed one book out at a time.  There are no
loans processed in the 2 weeks before and after the OUSA annual
convention.

I have had some mixed success with the lending library.  On more than
one occasion, I have sent in requests with first, second, and third
choices, only to have the request seemingly dissappear.  The check for
the fee is never cashed, and no book is ever sent.  Has anyone else had
similar experiences with the library?  Does anyone know if there is
some policy where requests are "held indefinitely" if none of the
requested books are available?

Janet Hamilton





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Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 22:55:26 -0300
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Independent study suggestions

<<a Pterodactyl out of a pizza box>>

.sounds like a splendid project to me, especially
if you make good use of the tomato sauce stains...
Heck, if you start with a big enough pizza/box you
could make it life size and maybe pick up a few units
of paleontology...

--valerie





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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 10:45:53 -0300
From: Tim Rueger <rueger@areaplg2.corp.mot.com>
Subject: Lang butterly (was: null subject)

>>>>> "vz" == Vernon Zehr <vern@inetcom.net> writes:

    vz>         I have been trying to make the butterfly from Langs
    vz> Insects and their kin and I have been having a terrible time
    vz> with steps 26-32.  specificaly the pleat folds on step 30. I
    vz> always end up getting frustated and just fudging it but on steps
    vz> 44-48 I pay the price. How is this done? I promised someone a
    vz> butterfly and now my paperfolding reputation is on the line.

Hi, All,

Here's how I got thru "the pleats from hell".  :^)  This is pretty long,
so please bear with.  (A word of warning: without a copy of the Lang
Insects book, this won't make any sense at all.)

After step 8, the paper has been divided essentially into 10ths along
each edge.  (3 units at each corner, and 4 in the middle).  This creates
four 3x4 rectangles, one along each edge of the paper.  After step 9, I
precreased each of these rectangles with the creases indicated in steps
26 and 27 before moving on to step 10.  These creases divide each of the
1/10 units into thirds (the divisions are 1/30 the edge of the paper).

I also found it helpful to precrease the diagonal creases in step 24 by
making four additional diagonal creases at step 9.

(This becomes much clearer if you fold up to step 26 or so, then unfold
the paper completely.)

Finally, after all the precreases are in place, the Elias stretches at
steps 28 an 30 become manageable.  (Well, sort of.)  I found it useful
to lift out a corner (as in step 35) to complete step 28.  For step 30,
I just gradually worked my way inward from the outside raw edge - like a
lot of complicated steps in Lang's models, the result is flat, but
almost nothing in between is.  :^)

Precreasing this way also enabled me to complete the challenge butterfly
described at the last step (i.e., fold into fifths instead of thirds
above).  After step 9, I measured the 1/5 divisions with a ruler (gasp!)
and created the creases by lightly scoring with a ruler and a thin
tweezers point.  (I remember someone here mentioning Kawasaki doing
something similar, with a knife point, for his crystallized roses.)

A caveat: precreasing is probably not the most accurate way to do these
folds (either the 1/3 or 1/5 version).

This is one model I'd *love* to see a miniature of.  I've done it with
10" kami, and it's cumbersome even at that scale.

-Tim
--
Tim Rueger             Motorola CCRL IC Design Laboratory, IL02-2921
Fax  : (708) 538-4593  Internet: rueger@areaplg2.corp.mot.com





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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 10:49:48 -0300
From: parkmaam@gol.com (M. Schleicher P. Saalbach)
Subject: Re: Flower patterns

A while back, I sent the message response (at the bottom of this message),
to which Joseph Wu added that Yoshihide Momotani has a series of flower
books, including one on Alpine Flowers.  Someone on the list asked for more
info. (sorry, I can't remember who), so here are details of a couple more
flower books of Momotani-san, all in Japanese, all published in 1995,
introductions in English:

"Origami Alpine Flowers"                ISBN4-900747-04-1       1300 yen
        Day-Lily, Alpine Rose Bay, Maianthemum, Dryas, Dwarf Cornel,
Edelweiss,         Bleeding-heart, Black Lily, Bilberry, Clematis,
Tripetaleia, Alpine             Wintergreen, Globe-Flower, Bramble,
Cransebill, Campanula, Arctic               Bellflower, Gentian, Primrose
"Origami Wild Flowers"                  ISBN4-900747-03-3       1300 yen
        Vetch, Bird's Trefoil, Corydalis, Mazus, Japanese Honeysuckle,
Violet,         Coastal Bindweed, Flower of Lagwort, Cat's-eyes, Wild Rose,
Pearl Twist,         Yellow Skunk Cabbage, Houttuynie, Harb-Paris, Blue-Eyed
Grass, Fan         Columbine, Dwarf Lilyturf
"Earky Spring Flowers of Origami"       ISBN4-416-39506-X       1200 yen
        Ornamental Kale, Ume: Japanese Apricot, Japanese Quince, Peach
Flower,         Inflorescence of Butterbur, Christmas Rose, Japanese
Allspice, Adonis,         Wild Anemone, Japanes Hamamelis, Barrenwort,
Cymbidium, Daphne,         Narcissus, Asarabacca, Amaryllis, Snowdrop,
Camellia, Red Poppy

In case you didn't know, the last copy of 'ORU' (Summer, No. 9) had an
article and examples of Chris Palmer's work -- absolutely wondrous!
Unfortunately for me, it was written in Japanese.

Pamela Saalbach
parkmaam@gol.com

>To: origami-l@nstn.ca
>From: parkmaam@gol.com (M. Schleicher P. Saalbach)
>Subject: Re: Flower patterns
>
>In addition to Gretchen's list in response to the query below, I just found
another book in Japan in Japanese called "Origami Flowers of Early Summer"
by Yoshihide Momotani -- a 1995 edition.  Price 1200 yen.
ISBN4-416-39507-8.  Flowers covered: Amaranth, Glaucidium, Rhododendron,
Bindweed, Rose, Small Anemone, Creeping Lady's Sorrel, White Clover, Peony,
Hydrangea, Lily, Iris, Magnolia, Pansy, Genista, Pawlonia, Orchid, Weigela.
I haven't listed of the very specific types of these flowers.
>
>>On Wed, 11 Oct 1995, Kathryn Burlingham wrote:
>>
>>> Does anybody know of a book with a lot of flower patterns? I would *think*
>>> there'd be one out there, but I haven't seen one. Thanks!
>
>Pamela Saalbach
>parkmaam@gol.com
>
Pamela Saalbach
parkmaam@gol.com





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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 12:38:41 -0300
From: tony@ele.puc-rio.br (Antonio Jose' Correia Sampaio)
Subject: Re: star trek

Hi all

I would like to know if there is an Enterprise Origami Model somewhere?

Tony

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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 18:08:32 -0300
From: chiug@cognos.com (Grace Chiu)
Subject: ORU / was Re: Flower patterns

Pamela Saalbach wrote:

>In case you didn't know, the last copy of 'ORU' (Summer, No. 9) had an
>article and examples of Chris Palmer's work -- absolutely wondrous!
>Unfortunately for me, it was written in Japanese.

ORU seems to always have all the 'absolutely wondrous' stuff, doesn't
it?  For $35 (US) a pop, they're quite the picture books.

Now, why can't the English versions be published in, say, the
OUSA newsletters?

---
Grace Chiu, Enslavened Manager, Technology Support Services,   | "Narf..."
Cognos Inc.: Rubberneckers on the Information Super-Dirt Road  |   - Pinky
Ottawa, ON 1-800-365-3968, ext. 3218.                          |





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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 19:02:03 -0300
From: Jeannine Mosely <j9@concentra.com>
Subject: Re: ORU

Grace Chiu wrote:

   Pamela Saalbach wrote:

   >In case you didn't know, the last copy of 'ORU' (Summer, No. 9) had an
   >article and examples of Chris Palmer's work -- absolutely wondrous!
   >Unfortunately for me, it was written in Japanese.

   ORU seems to always have all the 'absolutely wondrous' stuff, doesn't
   it?  For $35 (US) a pop, they're quite the picture books.

   Now, why can't the English versions be published in, say, the
   OUSA newsletters?

Even in translation, the copyright applies.  Too bad.

I just bought a copy of a new ORU publication from Sasuga in Cambridge
last friday.  It's a collection of all the folding diagrams from ORU
quarterly issues 1 through 8!  Wow. For 32.95 it was a steal.  Too bad
we'll have to wait 2 years for the next volume.

(Grace -- looks like you came to town a week too early!)

        -- jeannine mosely (j9@concentra.com)





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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 20:47:40 -0300
From: DBSH47B@prodigy.com (MRS. JANET J HAMILTON)
Subject: Re: star trek

-- [ From: Janet Hamilton * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --

>
> I would like to know if there is an Enterprise Origami Model
somewhere?
>

Tony,

The only one I have seen was designed by Jeremy Shafer and published in
the Bay Area Rapid Folders (BARF) Summer 1995 newsletter.  You can
order back issues from Jeremy Shafer for $2 plus $2 postage ($3
overseas).  I just the received the issue I ordered, so I have not
tried to fold the model yet.  Jeremy had also taught it at the OUSA
convention this past summer, and it was rated complex.

I have Jeremy's address to order from, but I don't want to post his
home address without his permission, so if you are interested, email me
directly.  I understand he is away at college now, but he is very good
about filling orders.

Janet Hamilton
dbsh47b@prodigy.com





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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 22:05:33 -0300
From: terryh@lamg.com (Terry Hall)
Subject: Re: Re: star trek

Hi Tony,

You will be pleased to know that there is starship enterprise model, which is
folded from one piece of paper. This is a good model, do not underestimate
it's appeal because it is only folded from one piece. It was published in the
Bay Area Rapid Folders (BARF) Summer 1995 newsletter. Contact Jeremy Shafer,
1744 Virginia St., Berkeley, Ca. 94703. Back issues are $2 each plus $2
postage and handling. Sorry I do not have an e-mail address or telephone
number. Hope you enjoy the model.

Terry Hall





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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 02:40:48 -0300
From: Pam Sirivedhin <pam@hel.ME.Berkeley.EDU>
Subject: OUSA Lending Library

Thank you, Janet, for the info on the library policy.

And for people who don't already know, the lending library is for OUSA
members in the continental USA and Canada.  To receive the form for your
library card, send a self-addressed stamped envelope to OUSA at

Origami USA
15 West 77 Street
New York, NY 10024-5192
Attn: Lending Library

(tel: (212)769-5635, fax: (212)769-5668)

pam





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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 16:00:28 -0300
From: Richard Kennedy <KENNEDRA@ibm3090.bham.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Japanese Paper Dolls (Shimada)

Valerie Vann asked for some more information about the book "Papercraft of
the World", which contains instructions on how to make a Shimada doll (as
on the cover of Kenneway's book). So, since this is probably of interest to
several:

Title  Papercraft of the World

editor  Tracy Marsh

Publishers:  World Living Arts pty Limited (Australia?)
             Cassell (UK)

ISBN:  0 304 34586 5

Contents, the book is divided into 10 topics. For each topic there is a
4 page introduction (lots of colour photographs), followed by some projects
(profuse colour photographs to show steps). The topics and projects are:

Pages

 8 - 27     Paper making
               Stationery box
               Paper book
               Paper pulp bowl
 28 - 37    Mexican Papercraft
               Pinata
               Papel Picado Placemats
 38 - 53    Marbling
               Watercolour Marbling
               Turkish Marbling
               Oil Marbled Compendium
 54 - 65    Decoupage
               Book box
               Vase
 66 - 81    Japanese Papercraft
               Shimada Doll
               Origami Box (top is masu, bottom looks a vase from Harbin's
                            Origami 2)
               Washi Chigiri-e
 82 - 93    Papier Mache
               Tray
               Treasure box
 94 - 105   Paper Cutting
               Scherenschnitte
               Shelf liner
               Silhouette
 106 - 113  Quilling
               Quilled box
 114 - 127  Chinese Papercraft
               Chinese kite
               Chinese lantern
               Chinese paper cut
 128 - 176  General information, patterns, index etc.

I hope this helps. I think you'll need to see the book itself to answer any
further questions, but let me know if you think I can help.

Richard K.





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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 23:05:47 -0300
From: terryh@lamg.com (Terry Hall)
Subject: Re: Re: ORU

Hi Jeannine,

I too have the ORU publication and all 9 issues of ORU. The new publication
that you referred to does not have all the models of the first 8 issues. I
only mention this in case someone thinks that they can just buy the "model
only" issue and get all the diagrams. Hope you are not disappointed.

Terry Hall





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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 11:52:58 -0300
From: Jeannine Mosely <j9@concentra.com>
Subject: Re: Re: ORU

Terry Hall wrote:

   I too have the ORU publication and all 9 issues of ORU. The new publication
   that you referred to does not have all the models of the first 8 issues. I
   only mention this in case someone thinks that they can just buy the "model
   only" issue and get all the diagrams. Hope you are not disappointed.

Thanks for the warning.  Tom Hull wrote to tell me this too.  He says
that the ORU publication covers models pictured but not diagrammed in
the first 8 issues, so there's a reason to buy the book even if you
already have all the ORUs.

        -- jeannine mosely (j9@concentra.com)





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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 07:41:06 -0300
From: DonShall@aol.com
Subject: Copyrights / Resignation

Date: 18 October, 1995

To: David Shall
 Jean Baden-Gilette, President of the Board of Origami USA
 Editor, The Paper (Official Magazine of Origami USA)
 Mick Guy
 Joan Homewood, Editor of British Origami (Official Magazine
  of the British Origami Society)
 Recipients, origami-l (Internet Origami ListServer)

 In my haste, and in my neglect of the copyrights of those involved, I
micro-published 25 unauthorized copies of a booklet (entitled "Baker's Dozen
- A Sampler of Diagrams & Original Origami by David Shall").  In doing so, I
also published without prior consent, material originally appearing in and
copyright by the British Origami Society ("Tree Module, drawings by Mick
Guy").  I apologize to David, to Mick and to all affected.

 I have violated the laws of the lands, the recommended guidelines of the
Board of OrigamiUSA, and most significantly, the rights of the creator of the
work itself, David Shall - who had no prior knowledge.  I carried these
booklets to the Origami USA Convention'95 in New York City, and used them as
class materials in the class I taught on Saturday, June 24, 1995 entitled
"Models by David Shall (Level: Simple to Intermediate).  While I had David's
permission to teach his work, and share single copies of his diagrams, I did
not obtain his permission to publish them into any further form.  At the end
of class I offered these booklets for sale for $10 each.  I sold or
distributed 14 of these copies.  This behavior is illegal, unethical, and has
been hurtful to the creator of the work.  David Shall's request is that if
you received or currently have one of these outstanding copies, please do not
sell or reproduce without his express consent.

 In addition, I believe these actions disqualify me from serving as
chairperson of the Multi-Media Committee (a standing committee of the Board
of Origami USA), and I hereby resign effective immediately.  I will do all
that I can to aid the transition.  Volunteers may contact the Board thru
their liaison to this list, Jan Polish (JPOLISH@usa.pipeline.com).

Don Shall   *   920 West Washington Street
Ann Arbor, Michigan 48103-4240
313-662-3394  *  internet: dshall@umich.edu





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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 09:43:32 -0300
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: Re: Last Waltz

Please send me address for diagrams





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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 09:51:22 -0300
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: math in origami

Robert....can you give me some idea of what models you used in your talk at
DeKalb.  I am giving a talk on Origami in Math at the math dept of a local
University next month.  Plan to show how to make hexagons, equilateral
triangles, trisect an angle, how to make a pyramid, etc.  This is for
teachers of 5th to 8th graders.  Thanks.





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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 09:56:09 -0300
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kase

I have a video of him at Birmingham convention....Maybe you can get hold of
it.





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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 10:00:49 -0300
From: PennyBOS <PennyBOS@sector.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Robert  Lang's Paper Animals supplier??

Hello all, I've just had a new member join the BOS , he asks where he can
get the above book, he says it's out of print.
If anyone UK or US can tell me an address where he can purchase a copy I'll let
him know.
I'd be grateful if you can help him,his name is Joe Byfield.
Thanks
Penny Membership Sec BOS

------------------------------------------
Penny Groom                :(
                           :)
penny@sector.demon.co.uk





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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 10:11:51 -0300
From: Kellie Elizabeth Cass <KELLIECASS@delphi.com>
Subject: origami plaques

   Does anyone know where I can have origami made into plaques?
   I mean if say I make 1000 cranes and want them made into a
plaque. I hear there are places that do this professionally but
don't know how to find one.
   Thankyou so much for any help anyone can give me!

.                                                          Kellie

`[1;30;47mRainbow V 1.17.0 for Delphi - Registered





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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 10:08:06 -0300
From: Yusri Johan <gs01yyj@panther.Gsu.EDU>
Subject: Robert Lang in Atlanta

Greetings fellow folders and lurkers,
        You have heard from Robert Lang that he is going to be giving a
lecture in Atlanta on October 27, 1995.  I am going to make it official
by announcing it again.  Robert will give a lecture titled "From One
Thousand Cranes to One Thousand Legs:  Mathematical Methods in Origami."
This lecture will take place in the Jim Cherry Lecture Hall of DeKalb
College Central Campus.  DeKalb College (http://www.dc.peachnet.edu)
Central Campus is located on 555 N. Indian Creek Drive, Clarkston, GA.
This lecture will start at 11:30 am - 1:00 pm.  Guess who will be
introducing him?  Me! :).  Those who are going to be in Atlanta area or if
you are in Atlanta area, please stop by if you don't have anything
planned.  Need more info?  Please send me an e-mail at
yjohan@dekalb.dc.peachnet.edu or gs01yyj@panther.gsu.edu.

Later,
Yusri Johan





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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 10:04:35 -0300
From: parkmaam@gol.com (M. Schleicher P. Saalbach)
Subject: What **is it** about origami

Hi!  You've briefly heard from me before, sharing local prices, new flower
book ISBNs and such.  But I'm rather new to the list and I have some
questions that may provoke some interesting discussion.

TOPIC 1:

Background:
My husband has just seen his forty-ahem-year-old wife start going
stark-raving bonkers with origami in Japan.  For example: I was incredibly
excited with finding a cockroach to fold yesterday (Um, I have kind of a
wierd sense of humor about creepy crawley things and having 'fake' ones
around to pester people with). I've been either stubbornly staying awake
until 3 am or waking up then to iso the iso-folds, sink the sink-folds (a
new technique for me), attempt twist folds and fail, etc.  I'm even dreaming
origami dreams!

Does this describe any of you, or have I really gone crazy?

How I started on this insanity kick a month or so ago:
I dug out my old stuff from childhood that my sister had given me plus Eric
Kenneway's book I'd picked up along the way somewhere -- to share it with an
expatriate mother here in Japan whom I figured would find it handy to know
for  on-the-spot entertaining of her 3-year-old.  Well, this at-the-time
rather insignificant act catapulted me into a whole new major focus since
then. I first joined this discussion group (I signed onto the Internet/Web
for the first time this year) after seeing Joseph Wu's page, then started
eyeing and buying paper packets, then books, then digging through the
archives, then looking for places to learn more about the waaaaay cool
origami you all are talking about -- in all places -- Japan!!!

THE ACTUAL TOPIC 1:
Back to hubby:  Last night, he asked me, "What are you going to do when
you've folded all the models there are to fold?"

Well, this got me thinking over the last 24 hours or so.  Reflecting back on
what I've seen about you longer-term members in the archives, some of you
have been folding for a really long time!

****
Just what **is it** about Origami that has kept you folding?  Do you ever
imagine yourself folding the last fold?  What motivates you to fold what you
fold next?  Do most people eventually end up creating their own models?  Is
it a passing phase for some of you?  Is it an integral part of your vocation
for others of you?  Can you define the magic and excitement that's caught
you up like it has me?
****

The question is leading me to articulate what's got me so fascinated.  Some
initial ideas:
- it's like architecture that I always wanted to study, but it's so much
more wonderful, because I'm only dealing with one material starting with
(mostly) one geometric form
- it's bringing back the joy I experienced in school as a child about
solving math problems (e.g. pre-planning and plotting folds)
- (and it's challenging me to remember all I was supposed to have remembered
from geometry!)
- it's a lovely combination of the aesthetic and the computational -- my
brain needs both to feel fulfilled intellectually (I earned an art degree,
but almost had one earned in math, too)
- there is a sense of wonder about the sheer number of shapes that can be
made with a single square of paper (yes, I also adore modulars,
rectangle-based models, and models requiring some scissorwork, too.)

Enough of *my* ramblings on TOPIC 1 -- what about you???

(I guess I'd better send TOPIC 2 another time -- this one got pretty long.)

Bye for now.  Pamela

Pamela Saalbach
parkmaam@gol.com





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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 12:40:04 -0300
From: JRMetzger@aol.com
Subject: RE: Robert  Lang's Paper Animals supplier??

Penny,
Paper Animals is the paperback version of Lang's Origami Animals, which, as
far as I know, is available to purchase from OUSA's Supply Center. (I bought
a copy about 2 months ago). Good luck!
Yaacov





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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 13:42:36 -0300
From: parkmaam@gol.com (M. Schleicher P. Saalbach)
Subject: Books: Molecular 'Origami', Escher tesselations, paper, and etc.

Tripping through my regularly scheduled browsings through bookshops here,
I've come across a couple of books in English that may be of interest to
some of you, if you don't know about them already.  Pardon this message if
you do.

Molecular 'Origami'

Hanson, R.M.  1995.  Molecular Origami: Precision scale models from paper.
Sausalito, CA: University Science Books  ISBN: 0-935702-30-X

This book provides cut-and-construct models of molecular structures
discussed at one point in this group.  I'm no scientist, so I can't
elaborate further, except to say they're not the 'folding' challenges from
square paper as are the Platonic/Archimedean solids, etc. in origami books.
The models are more 'papercraft' (cut, glue, etc.) but probably really handy
for the classroom.

I also came across several other interesting books in my travels that have
older copyright dates that aren't specifically 'origami' books, but are
handy for those who want to discover tesselations, Platonic solids, etc. (I
didn't even know what these things were a couple of weeks ago -- thanks to
your enthusiastic, motivation-building conversations for
origami-come-lately's like me!!  Thanks a bunch!

While I'm on the subject, I've been progressing slowly through the archives
-- there's a ton of info. that I've learned, thanks to your robust
conversations -- and there's a ton of info. that can be pulled out and put
into a FAQ on 'technique' -- like how to cut and/or 'square' paper, how to
foil-mount papers, how to trisect an angle, how to make different
proportioned paper, how to glaze models, how to wet-fold etc.  I've sashayed
through your email to glean this info. for myself, but centralized, it would
be a real boon to anyone just joining the group and a savior to those who
have already contributed it.  Is this part of the 'origami' database I was
reading about prior to the conference?

Ok, now for the books:

1.  Schattschneider, Doris and Wallace Walker.  1977.  M.C. Escher
Kaleidocycles.  Rohnert Park, CA: Pomegranate Artbooks, Inc.  (reprinted 1987)
(ISBN: 0-87654-208-9

While I haven't read it fully, it's helping me understand this tesselation
business.  You may be able to find it in a library.

2.  Zeier, Franz.  Books, Boxes and Portfolios: Binding, Construction, and
Design Step-by-Step.  1990 (1983 original by Paul Haupt Berne).  New York:
Design Press.

Again, another book I've only briefly romped through, but it looks handy for
glueing, cutting, etc. technique questions, as well as discussion about
solids. It's mainly for people who want to know how to construct books,
portfolios, etc., though  ISBN: 0-8306-3483-5

3. Hunter, Dard.  Papermaking: The History and Technique of an Ancient
Craft.  1978 Dover reprint of original 1947 Alfred A. Knopf.  ISBN:
0-486-23619-6

Nice (rather detailed) intro. to the history and technique of paper and
papermaking.

4.  Holden, Alan.  Shapes, Space and Symmetry.   1991 Dover reprint of
original 1971 by Columbia University Press.  ISBN: 0-486-26851-9

A good and cheap book to remind me about what all the 3-D solids are all
about, and how to make them using papercraft techniques.

Well, hope this helps someone.  Please forgive me if it's already widely
known info.

Pamela
Pamela Saalbach
parkmaam@gol.com





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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 17:34:29 -0300
From: CM317@aol.com
Subject: book

about a month ago, I got origami sculptures, and it seems to be pretty good.
 (the weevil discourages me)

CM





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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 20:50:52 -0300
From: Cyrene Slegona <slegona@saturn.caps.maine.edu>
Subject: Re: math in origami

I would be interested in the same as I will be giving a four hour
workshop on origami and mathematics at the Association of Teachers of
Mathematics annual conference in Portland, Maine, at the end of November.
Any information and ideas to pass on would be appreciated. Yes, you can
do origami with teachers for that long, as long as you also break of lunch.
Thanks.

Cyrene Slegona

On Mon, 23 Oct 1995 DORIGAMI@aol.com wrote:

> Robert....can you give me some idea of what models you used in your talk at
> DeKalb.  I am giving a talk on Origami in Math at the math dept of a local
> University next month.  Plan to show how to make hexagons, equilateral
> triangles, trisect an angle, how to make a pyramid, etc.  This is for
> teachers of 5th to 8th graders.  Thanks.





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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 21:55:41 -0300
From: Maumoy@aol.com
Subject: Re: origami plaques

Kellie,

I know of two companies in Honolulu who arrange the 1000 cranes into Chinese
or Japanese characters, scenic pictures, etc.

Frame Masters
1543 S. Beretania
808 955-6771

Derek S. Hiroe
Origami Artistry
98-029 Hekaha St, Ste 30
Aiea, HI 96701
808 488-0660
808 488-2422

Marcia Mau





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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 22:44:21 -0300
From: DBSH47B@prodigy.com (MRS. JANET J HAMILTON)
Subject: Re: What **is it** about origami

-- [ From: Janet Hamilton * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --

> Just what **is it** about Origami that has kept you folding?  Do you
ever
> imagine yourself folding the last fold?  What motivates you to fold
what
> you fold next?  Do most people eventually end up creating their own
> models?  Is it a passing phase for some of you?  Is it an integral
part of
> your vocation for others of you?  Can you define the magic and
excitement
> that's caught you up like it has me?

Pamela,

I guess I started folding when I was a child - I just generally enjoyed
creating things.  I also did cross stitch, needlepoint, crocheting,
knitting, embroidery, and various other crafts.  Ones that could be
done with inexpensive or readily available materials were best.
Folding origami had the added allure of being like a puzzle to solve.
I went through all the origami books in the local public library,
figured I had done it all, and didn't fold again for many years.  I the
mean time, I studied technical and mechanical drawing, math, statistics,
and computer science.  Though I never studied architecture, I have
always been facinated by buildings - I am amazed at the old cathedrals
in Europe that were built before people had worked out all the
mathematics to calculate the loads on the vaulted cielings and flying
buttresses.  I got back into folding after my family made our annual
December trek into NYC to look at the Christmas window displays and the
tree in Rockerfeller Center,  We made an addititonal stop at the
American Museum of Natural History to amuse the kids, and saw the
origami tree there.  I guess I fold now to learn models to entertain
the kids, decorate packages, and mostly because I still like making
things, and it is easier to find 2 hours to dedicate to a model than 2
months to an afghan.

Janet Hamilton





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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 14:29:42 -0300
From: "Dorinha M.S.S. Vitti" <dmssvitt@carpa.ciagri.usp.br>
Subject: origami group

We are a group interested in origami here in Piracicaba-Brazil. We would
like to start an official origami organization, with rules, meetings, and
so on.How to do this?Thanks in advance. Dorinha Vitti.





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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 14:22:19 -0300
From: ACPQUINN@myriad.middlebury.edu
Subject: RE: flower books

To whom it may concern -
Does anyone have copies of the three new Momotani flower books? Sasuga Japanese
bookstore in Cambridge is checking on them for me and I want to know if they
are really worth the $20-$22.00 each one costs. Please post at least a short
review of the books... thanX!
-Alasdair
acpquinn@myriad.middlebury.edu





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Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 03:21:59 -0300
From: Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>
Subject: Re: origami group

On Tue, 24 Oct 1995, Dorinha M.S.S. Vitti wrote:

> We are a group interested in origami here in Piracicaba-Brazil. We would
> like to start an official origami organization, with rules, meetings, and
> so on.How to do this?Thanks in advance. Dorinha Vitti.

And official organization is governed by the rules of the country that it
is in. You will have to check to see what is required to run a non-profit
("not for profit" in the USA) organization in Brazil. You might want to
contact these people for more information:

Centro Brasileiro de Difusao de Origami
c/o Carlos Eduardo Quillin
R. Honorio Libero 154
01445 Sao Paulo SP
Brazil

I've met Carlos before and he's a very nice guy. Besides Sao Paulo is not
too far from Piracicaba if I'm not mistaken...

Joseph Wu      <jwu@cs.ubc.ca> | Witty quote is now back to the
Former Master's Student        |   drawing board due to squeamish
University of British Columbia |   readers. Any suggestions?
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Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 16:27:55 -0300
From: John Smith <jon.pure@paston.co.uk>
Subject: Japanese Butterflies.

David Lister in his superb essay 'The Migration of the Paper Flapping Bird
to the West' mentions thta when Japanese magicians came to Europe in about
1880 thay showed many illusions previously unkmown in the west including
'Japanese Butterflies' in which paper butterflies appear to come alive and
dance and flutter when they are thrown into the air.  David mentions that it
is still performed today by conjurors.

Can anyone throw light on 'Japanese Butterflies', is the illusion based on
some fold or other and how is it achieved? It sounds a great trick for
finishing off a talk.

John Smith
Norwich
England
e-mail  jon.pure@paston.co.uk





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Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 22:17:17 -0300
From: Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>
Subject: Re: Books: Molecular 'Origami', Escher tesselations, paper, and etc.

On Mon, 23 Oct 1995, M. Schleicher P. Saalbach wrote:

> 1.  Schattschneider, Doris and Wallace Walker.  1977.  M.C. Escher
> Kaleidocycles.  Rohnert Park, CA: Pomegranate Artbooks, Inc.  (reprinted 1987)
> (ISBN: 0-87654-208-9
>
> While I haven't read it fully, it's helping me understand this tesselation
> business.  You may be able to find it in a library.

This is still available, and I've also seen it in Japanese here in
Sapporo.

> 3. Hunter, Dard.  Papermaking: The History and Technique of an Ancient
> Craft.  1978 Dover reprint of original 1947 Alfred A. Knopf.  ISBN:
> 0-486-23619-6
>
> Nice (rather detailed) intro. to the history and technique of paper and
> papermaking.

GET THIS BOOK!!!! Dard Hunter is considered THE papermaker of America (or,
was, as he's now deceased), and even the washi-makers in Japan have respect
for him. He has his own wing in the papermaking museum in Atlanta, GA.

> Well, hope this helps someone.  Please forgive me if it's already widely
> known info.

Nope, not well known at all (except maybe for Kaleidocycles). Thanks!

Joseph Wu      <jwu@cs.ubc.ca> | Witty quote is now back to the
Former Master's Student        |   drawing board due to squeamish
University of British Columbia |   readers. Any suggestions?
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Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 23:00:00 -0300
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Origami math - Geodesic

Can someone give me a hand with some geodesic math applied
to origami?

Here's the situation:

I have a modular unit "strut" that I use to build
polyhedrons. It is an "EDGE MODULE", so produces polys
that are more or less "wire-frame", depending on the
width of the strut, with one module or STRUT per EDGE
of the polyhedron. (The strut can be folded from
just about any proportion of rectangular paper. It has
a "V" cross-section, locking joint, and depending on the
situation, can be used with the "V" facing in or out.)

Since this strut also has the property that it can
be constructed in several different lengths and joint
angles, all compatible (i.e. will join with each other),
I decided to build an approximate geodesic "sphere" with
them.

The sphere is based on a 150 edge poly with 12 regular
pentagon faces connected by 80 equilateral triangle faces.
Assume that these edges or struts are of length ONE UNIT.

I then filled in the pentagon faces by erecting a pyramid
(or perhaps better, a 5-legged "tripod"/"pentapod"??)
of 5 isosceles triangles on each pentagon, using 5 more
struts per pentagon face. These struts are shorter than
the 150 struts used in the main poly, being 0.94 times
the length of the ONE UNIT struts. (The length of the
shorter struts is a result of the geometry of the module,
specifically, the proportions of the rectangular paper
and the selected joint angle.) The completed "sphere" now
has 210 edges/struts (5x12 + 150), with open faces: 80
equilateral triangle faces and 60 isosceles triangle faces.

My question is:

If the resulting 210 edge (strut) "sphere" were a geodesic,
what would be the length of the 60 shorter struts that
"fill in" the pentagons, in proportion to the 150
longer struts? That is, how close to a "correct"
calculated geodesic-strut-length do my shorter struts
come if they are 0.94 the length of the longer ONE UNIT
struts?

--valerie
Compuserve: Valerie Vann 75070,304
Internet: 75070.304@compuserve.com
Internet: valerivann@aol.com

<< To Keep every Cog and Wheel is the
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Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 23:24:46 -0300
From: terryh@lamg.com (Terry Hall)
Subject: Re: What **is it** about origami

****Pamela Saalbach recently posted a long message asking, among other things;

Just what **is it** about Origami that has kept you folding?  Do you ever
imagine yourself folding the last fold?  What motivates you to fold what you
fold next?  Do most people eventually end up creating their own models?  Is
it a passing phase for some of you?  Is it an integral part of your vocation
for others of you?  Can you define the magic and excitement that's caught
you up like it has me?

Like many other people I had folded simple designs in my childhood. One of
the models that left a lasting impression on me was from the "Rupert" books.
This was a modified waterbomb base with handles that you could fill with
water and boil it over a candle. The paper never burned through because it
had the water in it.
Then in 1986 I attended a "hands on" meeting of the West Coast Origami Guild
(WCOG) and I was astounded with the variety of things that could be folded.
Instantly joining on the spot I have been increasingly involved since then.
Currently, I publish the WCOG newsletter which is sent to five foreign
countries in addition to the  USA. Each issue has a new design in it with
complexity varying from simple to high complex.

Tell your husband that it will be impossible to fold all the published
designs in your lifetime, there are so many. Many things motivate me to fold
the next model, here are some of them: the challenge of a difficult model,
the aesthetics, a request, the chance of improving the folding over the last
time that I folded it, to relax, as a gift (typically at a sushi bar), an
idea to change the model. If I had more time I would be folding much more.
Typically on an airplane trip I will fold nonstop and give all the models
away. I never imagine myself folding the last fold, but I do fold in my head
(fold a complete model by imagining all the  folds). It is not a passing
phase with me I love it. Many people do create their own models (me too, but
not very many yet). Many people just fold for the pure enjoyment, which is a
good enough reason.

Origami is inexpensive (well most of the time), is very portable, is clean
and is incredible since a square of paper (or a dollar bill, or ?) can be
turned into just about anything imaginable. The only limit is your
imagination. It has a tactile quality that also gives satisfaction. I may
have folded a model many time before but I am still amazed by the
transformation of a piece of paper into an animal. Hope that this has given
you some food for thought.

origami  regards,

Terry Hall





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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 00:38:31 -0300
From: Fred Curtis <fred@zip.com.au>
Subject: Re: Origami math - Geodesic

Vaerie Vann wrote:

[... Re: 'Sphere' of 5 pentagons + 80 triangles ]
>
> I then filled in the pentagon faces by erecting a pyramid
> (or perhaps better, a 5-legged "tripod"/"pentapod"??)
> of 5 isosceles triangles on each pentagon, using 5 more
> struts per pentagon face. These struts are shorter than
> the 150 struts used in the main poly, being 0.94 times
> the length of the ONE UNIT struts.
>
[...]
>
> If the resulting 210 edge (strut) "sphere" were a geodesic,
> what would be the length of the 60 shorter struts that
> "fill in" the pentagons, in proportion to the 150
> longer struts? That is, how close to a "correct"
> calculated geodesic-strut-length do my shorter struts
> come if they are 0.94 the length of the longer ONE UNIT
> struts?

Hmmm... with flat pentagons, the centre-to-vertex radius
is 0.5 / sine(36 degrees) = approx. 0.85 of the unit length.
You've bumped that up on your model to make it a bit more
sphere-like.

Given a centre-to-vertex radius "R" of your sphere, and the
ratio "r", approx 0.85 for the plane pentagon, the correct
geodesic ratio is g = rR / sqrt(R^2 - r^2).  Here are some
random values of R and their corresponding values of 'g':

  R = 2  ->  g = 0.939904
  R = 3  ->  g = 0.887058
  R = 4  ->  g = 0.870564
  R = 5  ->  g = 0.863235

Good luck with guessing "R", the radius of your sphere :)





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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 02:04:48 -0300
From: Jack.Thomas.Weres@att.com
Subject: Propeller Units

fellow folders of paper,,,

i have a question regarding propeller units
from tomoko fuse's "unit origami"

i was trying to fold the regular tetrahedron 4-unit assembly
(picture on page 117)

on page 116
it says to "Invert step 17 on p. 112."

i guess i do not understand what it means to invert step 17
i.e. do not "Fold inward." or invert as in "turn over"
but i assume it would say turn over

when i initially folded the propeller unit to the completion
on page 112 -- step 18
i had trouble with everything aligning
in the middle to cover the whole surface

by the time i get to step 11 on page 111
my fold in the upper left corner doesn't quite match
-- one side my "triangle" does not hit the top line
but more or less matches the upper left hand corner

where i have gone wrong up to step 11???
what's that "Invert step 17" instruction???

HELP!!!
       this propeller unit is used in a good number of models
       that i'm interested in

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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 07:13:10 -0300
From: Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.CA>
Subject: Re: What **is it** about origami

On Mon, 23 Oct 1995, M. Schleicher P. Saalbach wrote:

> THE ACTUAL TOPIC 1:
> Back to hubby:  Last night, he asked me, "What are you going to do when
> you've folded all the models there are to fold?"

Not physically possible. If you mean all models already diagrammed, I still
don't think that's possible. There are always new designs out there to be
found and folded.

> Well, this got me thinking over the last 24 hours or so.  Reflecting back on
> what I've seen about you longer-term members in the archives, some of you
> have been folding for a really long time!

Yup. About 22 years...

> Just what **is it** about Origami that has kept you folding?  Do you ever
> imagine yourself folding the last fold?  What motivates you to fold what you
> fold next?  Do most people eventually end up creating their own models?  Is
> it a passing phase for some of you?  Is it an integral part of your vocation
> for others of you?  Can you define the magic and excitement that's caught
> you up like it has me?

There are too many new things to do, new models to create, new papers to
play with... I'd say that most people do not end up creating their own
models, but they really should! That is, at least they should try. I love
the feeling of paper, and the way that something so simple can become a
figure of wonder and amazement. I need to fold. I go into withdrawl if I
don't. And, when inspiration hits, I've just got to make whatever it is I'm
thinking of or risk losing it forever.

Joseph Wu      <jwu@cs.ubc.ca> | Witty quote is now back to the
Former Master's Student        |   drawing board due to squeamish
University of British Columbia |   readers. Any suggestions?
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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 11:08:27 -0300
From: ciarlma6@etud.dauphine.FR (ciarlet mathieu)
Subject: For the creators

        As long as I've been folding, I've always been amazed by the quality
and the sameness that existed between the model and the origami. Thus I was
wondering if there were any method to create an origami. Do people fold and
by hazard happen to obtain something that look alike an animal or whatever else,
or have automatically the idea of how preparing the fold to obtain the origami.
That is : do creators start from the real model ?or do they start from nothing
and happen to achieve a model ?

               Thanks a lot; I'd like myself to create and don't know how yet.

Mathieu Ciarlet ciarlma6@etud.dauphine.fr
"May the fold be with you"





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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 13:04:27 -0300
From: NOSTALGIA1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Japanese Butterflies.

The trick is performed in my silent act It goes as follows:

I take a strip of tissue paper and tear it into pieces. I wave a fan over it
and it unfolds completely restored. I then take a sciscors and after folding
the paper, I cut it into squares. I wave the fan over it and it turns into
connected squares. I then crumple it up and start fluttering the fan. Dozens
of paper butterflies come flying out of my hand into the air. My assistant
has been on stage holding a bouquet of flowers. I place one butterfly on the
flower and all of a sudden, dozens of butterflies fly out of the bouquet.

That's how I do Japanese butterflies.

Bruce Kalver





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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 13:25:25 -0300
From: sychen@ENH.NIST.GOV (Shi-Yew Chen \(a.k.a. Sy\))
Subject: Re: For the creators

Hi,

Good question! My design experience comes from both ways or mixed way?!

1) Sometime I likes to fold w/o objective for killing time. e.g. waiting for
someone. Fold and fold ... till it resembles something. Then I can determine
the objective and fine-tune the model. Well I got it without any reference
(or books). Indeed this requires my previous experience of folding.

2) Sometime I have an objective in mind. I may start from my previous
folding experience or from other reference diagram. The way I take depends
on my mood. I found it would be more fun and challenging w/o looking any
which ends up to be another model. This is called moving objective. Whether
I can get my original objective done depends on how strong I want to reach it.

3) Sometime I can achieve my objective model design in a few try and error
steps. It is not that easy though. A lot of failure and unsatisfied model
ends up my design. I might go back to fold other's model to relieve my
frustration.
I believe if you can study the detail about the relation between crease and
model. You have the best luck to design the model in the first hand.
Accumulated folding and thinking experience do help.

I am not an expert though. Feel free for any comments.
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Sy Chen <sychen@enh.nist.gov>
Origami Page - http://www.iia.org/~chens/pprfld.htm

>
>       As long as I've been folding, I've always been amazed by the quality
>and the sameness that existed between the model and the origami. Thus I was
>wondering if there were any method to create an origami. Do people fold and
>by hazard happen to obtain something that look alike an animal or whatever
else,
>or have automatically the idea of how preparing the fold to obtain the origami.
>That is : do creators start from the real model ?or do they start from nothing
>and happen to achieve a model ?
>
>
>             Thanks a lot; I'd like myself to create and don't know how yet.
>
>
>Mathieu Ciarlet ciarlma6@etud.dauphine.fr
>"May the fold be with you"





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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 14:21:37 -0300
From: NOSTALGIA1@aol.com
Subject: JAPANESE BUTTERFLIES

I just got some e-mail asking where the source for the butterflies. You can
check out Hoffman's Modern Magic. I believe it is in there.

Bruce Kalver
