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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 17:37:18 -0300
From: REEDS@zodiac.rutgers.edu
Subject: Re: Does anyone know how to do this?

About the napkin rose, with stem and a leaf. If this is the fold I think it is
is, I have a longish and wonderful story to tell about it.
Several years ago, I was riding the train from Washignton to NJ and
folding happily away, someone stopped and started talking origami.
Turned out to be a lawyer and magician (whose name I have at home
Michael Levine??, from LA) on hisway to hs first visit to Friends
of Origami Center. Also turned out that he was a good friend of
a mathematician/magician whom my husband and I have known since
grad school. X whisked out a small square of thin tough tissue paper
(like hamburger wrappers at fast food shops) and swirled it into
a rose. To top it off, he dipped it in my water cup, and the edges of
the rose turned a lovely red. The color chang is a trade secret
(I assume he carried chemicall treated paper with him.) I was, of course,
enchanted and delighted to learn the model, which is really
a twist, rather than a fold.

It works well with any thin paper that holds a twist well--kleenex,
napkins, tissue wrapping paper, hamburger wrappers, foil. Here's directions
for a righthanded person.
1. Pinch the top left corner of the square with your left thumb anf
forefinger.
2. Loosely wrap the left edge around your left thumb.
grabbing hold of each wrap with your forefinger as you go.
3. That makes the blossom. While still holding the flower in
your left hand, start twisting the stem at the end of your left thumb.
Twist as tightly as you can about half-way across the width
of the paper.
4. Slip your left thumb out of the rose and use it to grab the
twisted stem at the point you stopped twisting.
5. With your right hand, bring the outermost corner on the right side
left. Your left hand now holds the base of the leaf next to the stem
while your right hand continues twisting the remaining loose
paper tightly to the right to make the rest of the stem.
6. The rose is complete!
(7. Depending n the paper and the length of stem you want, you
can, after making the first leaf, make a second smaller one, by
twisting a bit more stem, then folding the last corner back to
about halfway up the top leaf and continue twisting whatever loose
paper is left into a bit more stem.)

[I've been doing this with kleenex as I type the directions
and think kleenex is actually lousy for th purpose. But since
I have impressed people even with the kleenex for a moment--until
it untwists--I won't delete it from the list of ppaers to try.
Cheap paper napkins are better.]

I gather that X had invented this, but of course don't know for sure.
Part II of story.
At the ned of August I visited my stepmother just before she
was about to take off to the Beijing Internatio Women's Conferenece.
Some deep violet tissue wrapping paper was lying handy and I
started tearing rough squares and turnign them into roses as
we chatted. Robin was delighted and insisted on tucking them into
her bag to take along to China. She would, she said, leave them
with other flowers that were being left at Tienamen Square to remember
the demonstrations there.
Part III of story--
sorry--I have to leave off here. Will try to continue towmorrow.
with this origami cliffhanger!
Karen Reeds
effective 10/2/95
new address:
Rutgers University Press
Bldg 4161, Livingston Campus, PO Box 5062
New Brunswick NJ  08903-5062
908--445-7762; FAX -7039
reeds@rci.rutgers.edu





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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 17:44:06 -0300
From: "Londono, Juancarlos (3421)" <J.LONDONO@CGNET.COM>
Subject: IRC software

Hi!!!

Who has a Email connection via IRC*?

(An interface for use with the Internet Relay Chat Network...)

Juancarlos





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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 18:01:13 -0300
From: REEDS@zodiac.rutgers.edu
Subject: Re: I've lurked long enough!!

JOhn re cows--fax would be gratefully received t
908--932-7039 (through Wed 9/27)
908--445-7039 (after 10/3) attn Karen Reeds
If you don't have my diagrams for George Washignton Dresses for
Summer (in OUSA Convention 95 book), let me know at my new
email address or meniton it with your fax.
Many thanks
Karen Reeds
new address:
Rutgers University Press
Bldg 4161, Livingston Campus, PO Box 5062
New Brunswick NJ  08903-5062
908--445-7762; FAX -7039
reeds@rci.rutgers.edu





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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 18:05:31 -0300
From: Lonnie Riley <lonnier@tenmail.mincom.oz.au>
Subject: 95 Convention Book

Is this anyone out there still waiting for their copy of the 95 Convention
Book? I live in Australia & still haven't received mine.

lonnier@mincom.oz.au





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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 18:58:33 -0300
From: Winson Chan <winsonc@sfu.ca>
Subject: help with origami math

I recently came up with a design needing several sheets of paper, each
being smaller than the next.  The ratio of one sheet to the next smaller
one is (by area that is) 1:2-root(2) which is about 1:0.586.  The ratio
of the sides are 1: root(2-root(2)) which is about 0.765.  Thats close
enough to .75, but I was wondering if there was any exact mathematical
method of finding the correct ratio?

Thanx in advance for any suggestions.
--
Winson Chan
Electronic Engineering
Simon Fraser University
Burnaby, Canada





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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 20:23:55 -0300
From: Iron Will Dawes <wdawes@cs.nmsu.edu>
Subject: Re: Flower Book Recommendations

With profound wisdom, infinite insight and unparallelled studliness, Gretchen
     Klotz writes:
-->
-->Takahama, _Creative Life with Origami Book III_, in Japanese, not
-->exclusively flowers, simple to complex, paperback, $29.95.
-->
-->Takahama, _Origami Flowers_, in Japanese, intermediate to complex,
-->paperback, $12.00.
-->
-->
-->Thanks in advance for your help!
-->
-->- Gretchen
-->
-->
-->
  These are the only two I'm familiar with. The "Creative..." book is
outstanding. It's as diversified an origami book as you'll ever find;
models include Chinese zodiac, flowers, mosaic tile patterns, dogs,
cats and a really cool frill-necked lizard. If you or someone you know
can read Japanese, the textual content is also excellent. Each model
has a small description (not nearly, in my opinion, as enjoyable and
informative as Mr. Montroll's or Mr. Lang's). There is also a very
brief section on the Chinese zodiac and on ikebana (flower arranging).
There are several different types (sorry, but I don't know flower
phylogeny) of flowers presented, all of which are very real-looking.
  The second book sort of targets young (very young) folders. The
projects are more classroom arts & crafts than origami in my opinion.
Scissors, nonrectangular bases and even glue appear in many of the
designs. The completed models, though, are quite attractive.
                              -Will





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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 20:31:51 -0300
From: gabe@kaleida.com (Gabriel Mont-Reynaud)
Subject: Re: Does anyone know how to do this?

>About the napkin rose...

Thanks so much for your help, your instructions were very clear.  I'm
actually impressing myself with this fold!  I didn't know the answer would
be so simple, but...it is!  You have helped me tremendously, I thanks
again,

                                                        Sincerely,

                                                                Gabriel

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Gabriel Mont-Reynaud
Systems Administrator
User Support
Kaleida Labs Inc.
415 335-2089
gabriel@kaleida.com





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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 20:41:36 -0300
From: Gretchen Klotz <gren@lclark.edu>
Subject: Re: Another Origami Paper Source

On Tue, 26 Sep 1995, Kevin Nara Park wrote:

>       Do you mean Kasahara's _Beautiful Origami_?  =)

Yeah, probably.  :-}

My excuses: 1) the books aren't listed in the Summer edition of the Earth
Care catalog (I recycled my older copy when I got my order), 2) that
particular book is not listed in the OUSA Source 9/94 list, and 3) I'm
such a modular fanatic I have trouble remembering who wrote anything else
(no offense intended -- we all have our obsessions).  Okay, so they're not
that good as excuses go...  A thousand pardons, and thanks for the
correction.

Oh, and I forgot to list the item number of the origami paper in my
original post.  It is: 09006.

- Gretchen





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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 21:55:49 -0300
From: Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>
Subject: New look on the Origami Pages

Due to popular demand, I've reformatted the pages to a form that *should*
be viewable under Mosaic. For those of you who don't know, Mosaic is a
WWW browser that is in competition with Netscape. I'd set up the pages to
use some extra features of Netscape, but Mosaic has decided (in their latest
release) to simply ignore all sections of a web page that it doesn't
understand, rendering much of my pages unreadable by Mosaic users. I hate
to be caught in the crossfire of this battle, but I try to please! Pity
the pages  don't look quite so nice now...

Joseph Wu      <jwu@cs.ubc.ca> | Witty quote is now back to the
Master's Student               |   drawing board due to squeamish
University of British Columbia |   readers. Any suggestions?
WWW: http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/jwu/origami.html (Origami Page)





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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 23:15:35 -0300
From: DBSH47B@prodigy.com (MRS. JANET J HAMILTON)
Subject: Re: Flower Book Recommendations

-- [ From: Janet Hamilton * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --

> I scanned the OUSA list for flower-related books, and before paying
> postage for the library service or risking a blind purchase, I
>thought I'd ask folks here for their recommendations.

Gretchen,

I'm a flower nut too!  Here's my 2 cents on the books.

> Appel & Gray, _Origami Flowers and Flower Arrangements_, intermediate,
> booklet, $5.00.

Mostly simple, traditional models.  Leaves for the flowers are also
diagrammed.  You will find many of these in other books.

> Gazzera, _Fiori in Origami_, in Italian, intermediate, paperback,
$21.00.

A nice book, color pictures, also includes stems, leaves, and an
origami vase.  My second favorite flower book.

> Takahama, _Creative Life with Origami Book III_, in Japanese, not
> exclusively flowers, simple to complex, paperback, $29.95.

A beautiful book! Some flowers, but a large variety of other models.
Don't buy it if all you want is flowers, but a worthwhile book for a
budding intermediate folder.

> Takahama, _Origami Flowers_, in Japanese, intermediate to complex,
> paperback, $12.00.

I have a book in my collection that I am not sure of the title and
author of (it is all in Japanese), but I believe it is the book you
list above.  It is my favorite flower book because it has a wide
variety of realistic flowers, with appropriate leaves to match.  A
warning to purists - some use odd shaped paper (triangular, hexagonal,
etc).

> Yamaguchi, _Origami for Children: Volume 3, Flower Origami_, in
Japanese,
>  simple to intermediate, paperback, $11.95.

A kids book - lots of cutting, glue, and multiple piece models.  I'd
put this at the bottom of the list.

In addition, James Sakoda had a self published book a while back.  I
believe there were one or two different flowers, stems, leaves, a vase,
and a discussion of ikebana arrangements.  Dr. Sakoda is on the list
and may be able to comment on whether the book is still available.

Janet Hamilton





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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 01:26:03 -0300
From: Philip Craig Chapman-Bell <CHAPBELL@delphi.com>
Subject: Bladerunner (once more -- my apologies to the bored)

Dear All and Sundry,
     I glanced through an interesting article in a book on _Bladerunner_
which suggested the origami in the movie is a comment on the movie's
subject, id est, man's relation to his creations, you know, _making_ little
critters out of paper is analogous to making a woman out of spare parts.
The whole Pygmalion/Galatea thing.
     In the novel, the same thing is done with people's absurd concern with
pets and their vicious treatment of the retarded and genetically damaged.
Of course, that's also a comment on contemporary society.
     As I recall, the folding guy wasn't entirely wicked, either.  (Was he?)
     Just thought I'd throw that in,
     Yours, <>Philip<>

Philip Craig Chapman-Bell  Northampton, Massachusetts
chapbell@delphi.com

`[1;30;42mRainbow V 1.17.0 for Delphi - Test Drive





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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 01:40:36 -0300
From: Kevin Nara Park <prank@leland.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Re: Another Origami Paper Source + Bladerunner

On Tue, 26 Sep 1995, Gretchen Klotz wrote:

> >     Do you mean Kasahara's _Beautiful Origami_?  =)
>
> Yeah, probably.  :-}

Gretchen,
        In no way did I mean my reply to correct you, but more to make a
small joke about the author of the aforementioned book.  Sorry for
seeming petty.

        On a more curious note: does anyone know who made the models used
in "Bladerunner"?  Can these models be found in a book?  How many times
is this question brought up in this list?  Does anybody answer?  I am a
big Bladerunner fan and would like to find the models used in the movie.

--Kevin





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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 02:24:54 -0300
From: Sterling Barrett <sbarrett@fir.fbc.com>
Subject: Re: Another Origami Paper Source + Bladerunner

On Sep 27,  1:40am, Kevin Nara Park wrote:
> Subject: Re: Another Origami Paper Source + Bladerunner
> On Tue, 26 Sep 1995, Gretchen Klotz wrote:
>
> > >   Do you mean Kasahara's _Beautiful Origami_?  =)
> >
> > Yeah, probably.  :-}
>
> Gretchen,
>       In no way did I mean my reply to correct you, but more to make a
> small joke about the author of the aforementioned book.  Sorry for
> seeming petty.
>
>       On a more curious note: does anyone know who made the models used
> in "Bladerunner"?  Can these models be found in a book?  How many times
> is this question brought up in this list?  Does anybody answer?  I am a
> big Bladerunner fan and would like to find the models used in the movie.
>

http://www.smartdocs.com:80/~migre.v/Bladerunner/bdimages.html

The above url is a page about Bladerunner with numerous pictures. Some of which
are of Gaff's origami.  The pictures appear to have been taken off some video
source though so the quality isn't great.  The faq, which you can get to from
this page, mentions origami several times but not any useful reference.

sterling

> --Kevin
>-- End of excerpt from Kevin Nara Park

--

-------------------------------------------------------------
Sterling P. Barrett
CS First Boston
12 East 49th, 26th Floor
New York, NY  10017
212-909-3409                       Alpha: 800-225-0256 311255





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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 06:14:05 -0300
From: piu1868@cdc8g5.cdc.polimi.IT
Subject: New! Need help!

Hi, all!
I am new here, I hope to stay long with you all. I need help:
A few years ago I saw a picture of a beautiful winged dragon made of
folded paper. Since I am an origami fan, I started looking for directions
on how to make it, but so far...
I'd really appreciate if you could help me find something about this model.
Thank you all.
Alessandro





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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 09:35:34 -0300
From: Angel Rodriguez Negron <arodrign@ns.inter.edu>
Subject: Re: New! Need help!

Maybe it's the one found at ftp://rugcis.rug.nl . Go to the "models"
directory and look for dragon.ps

On Wed, 27 Sep 1995 piu1868@cdc8g5.cdc.polimi.it wrote:

>
> Hi, all!
> I am new here, I hope to stay long with you all. I need help:
> A few years ago I saw a picture of a beautiful winged dragon made of
> folded paper. Since I am an origami fan, I started looking for directions
> on how to make it, but so far...
> I'd really appreciate if you could help me find something about this model.
> Thank you all.
> Alessandro





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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 10:42:25 -0300
From: GURKEWITZ@WCSUB.CTSTATEU.EDU
Subject: Re: Flower Book Recommendations

There's another flower book by Sakoda.





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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 10:46:16 -0300
From: dzimm@nando.net (David Zimmerman)
Subject: Re: Origami Ominibus (fwd)

"> MARGARET M. BARBER wrote ..."
>
> I would be interested in finding out where you got this book.  Please
> send me the address/phone number or post it on the list.
>
> On Tue, 26 Sep 1995, David Zimmerman wrote:
>
> > I just ordered "Origami Omnibus" from Bookstar. They claim
> > to have it in stock (in paperback). It's been out of print
> > for some time.
> >

BOOKSTAR is a chain, the one near me is:

BOOKSTAR
301 Crossroads Blvd
Cary NC 27511

919 859 9933

--
David P Zimmerman             dzimm@nando.net
916 Riderwood Ct               919 557 7692
WillowSpring NC 27592

The laws of gravity are very, very strict





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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 10:53:11 -0300
From: William Anstine <cptcobel@yrkpa.kias.com>
Subject: Re: IRC software

I have *access* to IRC, don't know if this is what you mean.

This *does* raise an interesting point.  If enough people have full net
access, why not have an #origami channel?

On Tue, 26 Sep 1995, Londono, Juancarlos (3421) wrote:

>
> Hi!!!
>
> Who has a Email connection via IRC*?
>
>
> (An interface for use with the Internet Relay Chat Network...)
>
> Juancarlos





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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 11:11:07 -0300
From: Iron Will Dawes <wdawes@cs.nmsu.edu>
Subject: origami dragon

With profound wisdom, infinite insight and unparallelled studliness,
     piu1868@cdc8g5.cdc.polimi.it writes:
-->
-->
-->Hi, all!
-->I am new here, I hope to stay long with you all. I need help:
-->A few years ago I saw a picture of a beautiful winged dragon made of
-->folded paper. Since I am an origami fan, I started looking for directions
-->on how to make it, but so far...
-->
-->
  Jay Ansill's "Mythical Beings" contains no less than four different
winged dragons, as well as many other beautiful and intricate models.
The dragons range (in my opinion) from simple to high intermediate.
                              -Will





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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 12:19:15 -0300
From: Rjlang@aol.com
Subject: Re: help with origami math

>>>> The ratio
of the sides are 1: root(2-root(2)) which is about 0.765.  Thats close
enough to .75, but I was wondering if there was any exact mathematical
method of finding the correct ratio?

-----

There is and it's not too bad. We make use of the following trick:

sqrt(2-sqrt(2)) =

sqrt( 1/2 + (3/2-sqrt(2) ) =

sqrt( (1/sqrt(2))^2 + (1-1/sqrt(2))^2 )

Now you've got your dimension as the hypotenuse of a triangle whose sides are
easily foldable. Here's how you do it.

1. Start with a square and crease both diagonals

2. Bring the bottom edge up to touch one of the diagonals, crease, and unfold
(kite fold).

3. The desired distance is the distance between (a) the intersection of
crease #2 with the other diagonal and (b) the farthest bottom corner of the
square.

If you want to mark off the distance along the side of the square (for
example, to cut the square down), fold the bottom edge up to lie along crease
#2, refold the diagonal, and unfold everything.

So what's the design of?

Robert Lang





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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 12:47:17 -0300
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: New! Need Dragon help!

Two other winged dragon possibilities are
Tom Stamm's, diagrams in a single-model booklet
available through OUSA's mail order store,
and a very nice (tho 3-piece) one in Steve &
Megumi Biddle's earlier book, pictured on the
cover in fact. (Someone: is the title of this "Essential
Origami"? I'm at the office, can't look it up.)

--valerie





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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 13:07:51 -0300
From: Yusri Johan <gs01yyj@panther.Gsu.EDU>
Subject: Re: New! Need Dragon help!

You (Valerie Vann) wrote:
>
(snip ... snip...)
> and a very nice (tho 3-piece) one in Steve &
> Megumi Biddle's earlier book, pictured on the
> cover in fact. (Someone: is the title of this "Essential
> Origami"? I'm at the office, can't look it up.)

That's the one! Three sheets of square paper but the proportion for each
piece is not the same.

Later,
Yusri





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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 13:52:40 -0300
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: New! Need Dragon help!

+Two other winged dragon possibilities are
+Tom Stamm's, diagrams in a single-model booklet
+available through OUSA's mail order store.

This is a cool dragon!  You want to use at least 10inch paper, if not more, so
you can put in lots of detailed pleats and such.

-Doug





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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 13:56:41 -0300
From: Winson Chan <winsonc@sfu.ca>
Subject: Re: help with origami math

> >>>> The ratio
> of the sides are 1: root(2-root(2)) which is about 0.765.  Thats close
> enough to .75, but I was wondering if there was any exact mathematical
> method of finding the correct ratio?
>
> -----
>
> There is and it's not too bad. We make use of the following trick:
>
> sqrt(2-sqrt(2)) =
>
> sqrt( 1/2 + (3/2-sqrt(2) ) =
>
> sqrt( (1/sqrt(2))^2 + (1-1/sqrt(2))^2 )
>
> Now you've got your dimension as the hypotenuse of a triangle whose sides are
> easily foldable. Here's how you do it.
>
> 1. Start with a square and crease both diagonals
>
> 2. Bring the bottom edge up to touch one of the diagonals, crease, and unfold
> (kite fold).
>
> 3. The desired distance is the distance between (a) the intersection of
> crease #2 with the other diagonal and (b) the farthest bottom corner of the
> square.
>
> If you want to mark off the distance along the side of the square (for
> example, to cut the square down), fold the bottom edge up to lie along crease
> #2, refold the diagonal, and unfold everything.
>
> So what's the design of?

The design is of a set of boxes, where the lid of one box is the base to
another box.  Essentially, several boxes stacked on top of each other.  Each
layer of the box is rotated by 22.5 degrees, and from there, that's where I
need the ratio.

-----------------------
|     ......          |
|    /      ......    |
|   /             ....|
|  /                 /|
| /                 / |
|/                 /  |
| .....           /   |
|      ......    /    |
|            ....     |
-----------------------

you can kinda see the square inside the square rotated at 22.5 degrees.  I'm
working on the diagrams for it right now, but it might be a while before
their done, too many assignments and projects from my professors. (I'm in
my fourth year at University)  If anyone is interested, send me an email and
send me a SASE when I'm finished.
>
> Robert Lang
>
>

--
Winson Chan
Electronic Engineering
Simon Fraser University
Burnaby, Canada





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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 15:22:42 -0300
From: "Londono, Juancarlos (3421)" <J.LONDONO@CGNET.COM>
Subject: Re: IRC software

***I have *access* to IRC, don't know if this is what you mean.  ***

YES I'm connected to "irc.colorado.edu" almost every morning (the same time
of N.Y.)

Why not?

Juancarlos





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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 18:51:57 -0300
From: CM2018@aol.com
Subject: Thanx a lot, everybody.

   I just felt like saying thanx to everybody who ever helped me, because it
got me thinking.

   If I had never found this list, I would probably still have a milliion
unanswered origami questions.  And I would have never gotten to put my two
cents to anything.  I just wanna say thanx to everyone.

Christopher M. Miller
September 27, 1995





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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 22:21:39 -0300
From: Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>
Subject: Re: New! Need Dragon help!

On Wed, 27 Sep 1995, Valerie Vann wrote:

> and a very nice (tho 3-piece) one in Steve &
> Megumi Biddle's earlier book, pictured on the
> cover in fact. (Someone: is the title of this "Essential
> Origami"? I'm at the office, can't look it up.)

Yes, the book is called Essential Origami in the USA, but is called
Step-by-Step Origami elsewhere.

Joseph Wu      <jwu@cs.ubc.ca> | Witty quote is now back to the
Master's Student               |   drawing board due to squeamish
University of British Columbia |   readers. Any suggestions?
WWW: http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/jwu/origami.html (Origami Page)





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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 22:34:34 -0300
From: marckrsh@pipeline.com (Marc Kirschenbaum)
Subject: Re: Bladerunner

On Sep 27, 1995 01:40:36, 'Kevin Nara Park <prank@leland.Stanford.EDU>'
wrote:

>       On a more curious note: does anyone know who made the models used
>in "Bladerunner"?  Can these models be found in a book?  How many times
>is this question brought up in this list?  Does anybody answer?  I am a
>big Bladerunner fan and would like to find the models used in the movie.

It has been a while, but I do recall seeing Patricia Crawford's *Unicorn*
as a feature in the movie.

Marc





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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 22:50:37 -0300
From: Sterling Barrett <sbarrett@fir.fbc.com>
Subject: : Another Origami Paper Source + Bladerunner

On Sep 27,  1:40am, Kevin Nara Park wrote:
> Subject: Re: Another Origami Paper Source + Bladerunner
> On Tue, 26 Sep 1995, Gretchen Klotz wrote:
>
> > >   Do you mean Kasahara's _Beautiful Origami_?  =)
> >
> > Yeah, probably.  :-}
>
> Gretchen,
>       In no way did I mean my reply to correct you, but more to make a
> small joke about the author of the aforementioned book.  Sorry for
> seeming petty.
>
>       On a more curious note: does anyone know who made the models used
> in "Bladerunner"?  Can these models be found in a book?  How many times
> is this question brought up in this list?  Does anybody answer?  I am a
> big Bladerunner fan and would like to find the models used in the movie.
>

http://www.smartdocs.com:80/~migre.v/Bladerunner/bdimages.html

The above url is a page about Bladerunner with numerous pictures. Some of which
are of Gaff's origami.  The pictures appear to have been taken off some video
source though so the quality isn't great.  The faq, which you can get to from
this page, mentions origami several times but not any useful reference.

sterling

> --Kevin

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Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 09:47:13 -0300
From: James_Sakoda@Brown.edu (James Minoru Sakoda)
Subject: Re: Flower Book Recommendations

>In addition, James Sakoda had a self published book a while back.  I
>believe there were one or two different flowers, stems, leaves, a vase,
>and a discussion of ikebana arrangements.  Dr. Sakoda is on the list
>and may be able to comment on whether the book is still available.
>
>Janet Hamilton
I only printed out a few hundred copies of my Origami Flower Arrangement,72
pages,which was sold mostly through OUSA for $15.  They have sold out and I
have only a few copies left.  I plan to make some revisions before trying
to publish it again.  The stems made from foil paper need to be
strengthened by widening the size of the paper used.  The vase also will
undergo a little change.  From a single size square vase, I plan to add
five or six sided vases or various sizes, which have the advantage of being
more stable than the square ones.  The vases are folded from poster boards
and have slots inside the box to hold the stems in place, and I am changing
the angle at which the slots are folded.  There are dozens of flowers
folded from the simple bird base, 8 and 16 petal flowers from blintzed bird
base.  There is a section on using pentagons and hexagons and another on
cutting nonsquare quadrilateral to fold bird and blintzed bird base
flowers. There is a chapter on the basic principles of Japanese flower
arrangement.  All of the flowers, leaves and stems are folded from foil
paper, which creates the problem of trying to make appropriate foil paper
available.  Fortunately OUSA has begun to carry some of the dull (matte)
finishes which I recommend.  The 30 lb. weight of the foil paper is just
right for my flower arrangement work.  But at the rate I am going it will
take a while.  Sorry.  James M. Sakoda





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Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 12:41:54 -0300
From: LapinPub@aol.com
Subject: Bladerunner

Well, obviously this is not "origami" content but I thought that I'd pipe on
in this thing.  First of all you (or whoever said it) are correct (sort of)
-- the character in the the movie who did the origami was a "good-guy" but
only sort of.  There is a lot more to the movie than meets to eye (truly, the
film does put a lot more attention towards eye-candy than it does amking the
nuances of the story easily perceived (which is why the original verion of
the movie has the voice-over of Decker explaining to the audiance all the
"important" stuff that is easily missed)).  The movie is based on a short
story by (William Gibsen?) called "Do Andriods Dream of Electric Sheep?" and
the title is misleading.  It sounds cutesy but actually isn't. It is a
reference to the fact that in the "world" ofthe story, almost all life on the
planet has been killed off by pollution and that is why the replicants were
created, because real animals were so rare and expensive that very few could
actually afford one.  Replicants are sort of the "Velveeta" of animals.
 Decker's greatest ambition is to buy a "real" sheep and move away from the
city.  That is where the title comes from, do replicants have similar
asperations, are they in fact more human than simply machines?  And if so,
are they not spiritual beings just like him?  He is in conflict over whether
or not these "replicants" have a right to live and whether or not he is
nothing more than a murderer in doing his job.  The story is infact quite
spiritual and the movie is replete with the spiritual references and imagry.
 Unfortunately, you really have to watch it over and over to start picking up
on the nuance of the story, though reading the book gives you a wonderful
head start.

The dude who was doing the origami was tasked with making sure that Deeker
went though with the killing regardless of what his heart told him to do.  He
was also taked with killing decker if he didn't do his job.  Though the
course of the movie he made three creatures, a "chicken", a "man" made out of
a wooden match and the famous unicorn.  The character and his art was
symbolic of mankind taking the "sacreligious" leap from simply making "graven
images" of gods work (the origami) to making things nearly indiscernable from
gods creations (The replicants).  So, the 'gami dude was infact, a symbol of
man's callousness and disregard for the dignity of nature, and in fact, quite
a forboding character.  (And for anyone who didn't get it in the movie, the
reason that the unicorn was in hall of Decker's apartment was because "the
Dude" had been tasked with killing both Rachel and Decker, if Decker hadn't
already killed her himself.  The unicorn, in this case represents "Purity of
Nature" & "Purity of Spirit".  In the case of the "gami dude", his good
nature comes though and he decides that Rachel won't do any harm, as long as
the couple gets away.

As for the models,  I've studied the movie vary closely and feel it very
likely that they are cut, pricinpily because of the thinness of the model and
the fact that the movie was made quite awhile ago.  I've been on the look out
for the piece ever since I first saw the movie in the theatre.  I do know of
a similar unicorn which involves cutting and is a little more detailed which
Stephen Weiss has folded but I have yet to locate "The Unicorn" and would
love to.  Well, I hope you've enjoied my little lecture...Now back to our
regularly scheduled programming...

J.C. Nolan (LapinPub@aol.com)

Dear All and Sundry,
     I glanced through an interesting article in a book on _Bladerunner_
which suggested the origami in the movie is a comment on the movie's
subject, id est, man's relation to his creations, you know, _making_ little
critters out of paper is analogous to making a woman out of spare parts.
The whole Pygmalion/Galatea thing.
     In the novel, the same thing is done with people's absurd concern with
pets and their vicious treatment of the retarded and genetically damaged.
Of course, that's also a comment on contemporary society.
     As I recall, the folding guy wasn't entirely wicked, either.  (Was he?)
     Just thought I'd throw that in,
     Yours, <>Philip<>

Philip Craig Chapman-Bell  Northampton, Massachusetts
chapbell@delphi.com

`[1;30;42mRainbow V 1.17.0 for Delphi - Test Drive





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Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 13:25:04 -0300
From: LapinPub@aol.com
Subject: F.Y.I.

Every busted bubble has a glory.
Each absymal failure makes a point.
Every glowing path that goes astray,
shows you how to find a better way.
So everytime you stumble, never grumble.
Next time you'll bumble even less.
For up from the ashes, up from the ashes,
grow the roses of success.

For every big mistake you make be greatful.
That mistake you'll never make again.
Every shiny dream that fades and dies,
generates the steam for two more tries.
There's magic in the wake of a fiasco.
It gives you the chance to second guess,
and up from the ashes, up from the ashes
grow the roses of success.

Disaster didn't styme Louis Pasteur.
Edison took years to see the light.
Alexander Grahm, knew failure well,
He took a lot of knocks to ring that bell.
So when it gets distressing it's a blessing.
Onward and upward you must press.
'Till up from the ashes, up from the ashes,
Grow the roses of success...





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Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 14:21:47 -0300
From: David Vaules <dvaules@BBN.COM>
Subject: Re:  Bladerunner

Just a small note. In Philip's facinating anaylsis of _Bladerunner_ he is
unsure of the author of "Do androids dream of electric sheep".  The
author is Philip K. Dick.  I've tried to read it a couple of times, looks
quite interesting, but have always been sidetracked before getting into it.
Philip, a question.  Is the origami "dude" in the original?  I remember
Decker and his wife, but not him (as I said, I was sidetracked, with a
midterm, if memory serves :^).

                          David Vaules Jr.
"Come Pinky, a brain like yours belongs on Television"
                              Pinky and the Brain





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Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 15:16:43 -0300
From: avinapas <avinapas@shani.net>
Subject: mcKawa Theory? / Oh dear, another troubled newbie....

Hello fellow folders!

Recently I've been reading Kunihiko Kasahara's "ORIGAMI OMNIBUS I", and
I've become somewhat confused. In the chapter discussing the Origami
bases, he attempts to explain the mcKawa theory (mcKawa? roughly
reverse-engineered from the Hebrew translation - this may be misspelled)
in a passage which leaves me looking for the
must-have-been-torn-out-following page:

        "Determining the minimal connection-unit of the
        base form relying on the number of equal parts
        that the angles divide into.

               L(alpha)=1/nLR (n=2,3,4,5...)

        When n equals 2, one form as in a to the left.
        When n equals 4, two forms as in a and b to the left.
        When n equals 3, one form as in c in the bottom."
        (Following are two not-very-clear diagrams)

    (-Roughly translated from the Hebrew edition.)

Ehh?
Whaaa?
Ah! It, er... umm, right.

Any Ideas on this?

                     Avi,
                     Fumbled Folder





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Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 18:15:34 -0300
From: William Anstine <cptcobel@yrkpa.kias.com>
Subject: Re: Bladerunner

Regarding Pat Crawford's Unicorn-

I have the diagrams for that (published in Harbin's Origami:  A Step by
Step guide), but I have yet to find the "best" paper to use for that
(best an indicator of foldability).  Kami seems to be too thick to make
it work properly.

Another question:

I know of 3 unicorns:

        Pat Crawfords (in Harbins book)
        Stephen Weiss' (in Jay Ansill's Mythical Beings)
        John Montroll's (not yet in a book)

IMHO, Montroll's is the easiest to fold, and comes out looking 1st or 2nd
best.  There was a unicorn on display in Convention, (as you came off of
the elevator).  Can anyone identify that one?

Does anyone know of any others?

Cpt





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Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 19:42:24 -0300
From: VickyAV@aol.com
Subject: Re: It's lovely, but it's only paper...

"Wow, a 1994 Tom Hull original for only $500!"

Let's hope that those are the kinds of comments that we will hear about any
well made origami model, anywhere.

I think this dialog is important to keep alive.  All the comments by Tom,
Joseph Wu, VAnn Cornelius etc. have much to say to newcomers to "public and
professional presentation of origami."

There is a thrill the first time someone comes up to you and asks if one of
your models is for sale.  Then the grip of fear to quote a price that is
"reasonable" overtakes you and you stammer out a number that is probably way
low.  Then comes frustration when the customer thinks that your low price is
too much!!!   (unless you are fortunate to find an appreciative buyer as Tom
did).

I've done the craft shows, until others jumped in to sell their crane
earrings for only $8 a pair (mine were $18 and .. well..perfect).  It
undermined the appreciation for my other original earrings





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Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 19:46:26 -0300
From: jnoll@su19bb.ess.harris.com (John Noll)
Subject: Cows on FAX.

I think that I have faxed my cow to almost everyone who requested it so far.

The have been faxed to list is:

        Mary Jane  - Thanks for the excellent feedback.
        J.C. Nolan
        Kevin Kinney
        Steve Buck
        John Marcolina
        Ken Lehner
        Yaacov
        Chris Miller

In addition I was unable to get answers from the fax machines of:

        Karen Reed
        Scott Porter

If you received the fax garble or not at all and you are on my list please
email me and I will retransmit.  If you received it ok then I would greatly
like some feedback.  I am most interested in your suggestions/opinions of:
my drawing style, clarity of the instructions, ways to shorted steps when
redrawing it, improvements, etc..  I will soon begin drawing it on the
computer for more mass distribution and would like to make any improvements
then.

Hope you all enjoy it.

P.S. - For those who did not request it but want it: if you can live without
it, please wait for the electronic version.  If you just gotta have it now,
email me and I will fax it when I get some more free time.

< < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < <
 John Noll                       /~~\
 jnoll@su19bb.ess.harris.com  /\/    \o\_
 Palm Bay, Florida           /        \o\\





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Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 23:59:48 -0300
From: LapinPub@aol.com
Subject: Re: ORIGAMI-L digest 110

In a message dated 95-09-28 15:10:13 EDT, you write:

>Just a small note. In Philip's facinating anaylsis of _Bladerunner_ he is
>unsure of the author of "Do androids dream of electric sheep".  The
>author is Philip K. Dick.  I've tried to read it a couple of times, looks
>quite interesting, but have always been sidetracked before getting into it.
>Philip, a question.  Is the origami "dude" in the original?  I remember
>Decker and his wife, but not him (as I said, I was sidetracked, with a
>midterm, if memory serves :^).
>
>
>                      David Vaules Jr.

David, It's been so long since I've read the book that I cannot remember.
 But if you were to press me I would say that the origami dude was actually
another "bladerunner" who may have either saved Decker's life at the end or
killed him or maybe Decker had to kill him to save Rachel.  It's funny that I
don't remember, who survived was almost ancillary to the theme of the book!
 Oh, also I'm J.C. Nolan, not Phillip Craig.  I messed up the "Reply"

J.C. Nolan (LapinPub@aol.com)





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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 06:23:48 -0300
From: VickyAV@aol.com
Subject: Re: It's lovely, but it's only paper..cont.d

Oops, my 14 month old son "helped me" send my note before I finished... so to
continue...

re: craft fairs, I'm in a competitive market (SF) where there are many people
capable of making origami jewelry to sell and so the price becomes an issue.
 My earrings & pins had net me $800 - $1200 per event (in 1992) but it sure
took a lot of work to prepare.  When it comes to origami models other than
jewelry, the audience is not sophisticated (or should I say educated) to
appreciate the skill and time.  It's not the right market to further the
"art" of origami.

On the other hand, work with ad and marketing agencies as the professional,
skilled artists that many of us are... : ) is certainly one area that  has
proven to be the place to charge an artist's fee ($50 - $250 per hour...)
 Unfortunately, those jobs are few and far between.

Anyways, perhaps it would help to share some information about fees some of
us have received that could be used as some type of guideline for folders to
refer to.

O.k., o.k.    Now I'm curious.  I will volunteer to collect and exchange
information about fees that others have charged for:  1)teaching,
2)demonstrations, 3)commissioned art   etc.
I will post this as a separate topic and appreciate any suggestions.

Vicky Mihara Avery





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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 06:46:29 -0300
From: parkmaam@gol.com (M. Schleicher P. Saalbach)
Subject: Re: It's lovely, but it's only paper..cont.d

Hello!  I've been a passive but interested new listener to the forum for the
past couple of weeks and just want to put my 2 cents in from Japan re: cost
of paper-made goods, etc.

I have just returned today from Kyukodo paper store in the center of the
Ginza shopping district in Tokyo.  The price for paper crane and etc.
earrings was 1200 yen a pair -- the approximate equivalent of US$12.

I have no idea if this info. is relevant to the discussion or figures into
anyone's price figuring.

Pamela Saalbach
parkmaam@gol.com





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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 07:05:42 -0300
From: VickyAV@aol.com
Subject: Survey on Origami Artist Fees

Wheither you consider origami an "art" or a "craft", some of us have received
Artist Fees for sharing our talents.  Yes... many of us have also done alot
of "free" work, its all a part of the sharing philosophy that is a hallmark
of folders everywhere.

But what I want to know is all about those occasions when you were
compensated for your skills!  I'll collect the information with the hopes of
creating a resource or perhaps a guideline - or it may just become a
curiosity.   Let's see where we can go with this.

I don't know if protocol would require that this type of information should
or should not be posted to the entire list, so unless you can tell me
otherwise it's certainly ok to mail to me directly.  Indicate if you prefer
to be confidentially included.

1)  teaching  - fee per hour or session, number of people at session, type of
contract (school, library, convention, private party, corporate,etc), did you
provide and charge extra for paper?  How did you get the job?

2)  demonstration - a demonstration of folding that did not include teaching.
 (answer same questions as for teaching)

3)  agencies - work with ad agencies for tv, movie, print, magazines, etc.
 What did you do?  How much did you charge or did you trade for free
publicity.   How did you charge - per hour, per model or flat fee for
project.  How did you get the job?

4)  selling models - finished models purchased or commissioned for private
collectors.  What models, how much, how was it presented (boxed, framed, on
its own as exhibit quality, etc),  and any other details about the finished
model such as paper used and if its your original creation.

5)  mass production models-  for craft fairs or wholesale.  (same questions
as #4)

6)  author's fees:  what type of compensation - flat fee, percentage of books
sold, exchange for free copies, a combination of the above?

Please add any pertinent information but keep answers as brief as possible.
 Again, it can be confidential or public.  Any other topics I should include?
 Thanks.

Vicky Mihara Avery





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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 09:38:59 -0300
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: diagrams..

In reply to Nick Robinson's message of Sep 25, 1995,
    on Sep 26, 1995, Marc Kirschenbaum wrote:
+Also, I think that for non-newbie folders, overdiagramming can be taxing to
+the reader as well. To draw an analogy, could you imagine having to read a
+book in which every word was defined as you read? By overdefing things, a
+reader can forget the original conext of what was being defined. The
+ultimate diagrams are those that are consise to a point that is comparable
+to the skill of the folder; a difficult thing to measure, but whose bounds
+can be established though experience. As with any form of information
+transfer, you have to know who your prospective audience is, and that
+trying to please the lowest common denominator might make the majority of
+an audience upset.

Interesting point.

I have folded so many simple and intermediate models that start with the
crease by crease instructions for a preliminary base, or a bird base, or
whatever, that I can't keep count.  However, it is very easy for anyone
above "the lowest common denominator" to quickly scan the instructions and
see that the first <n> steps are a bird base, and to do the bird base
folding however they want, and pick up from there.  I think it is
interesting that you posit that experienced folders will follow
"oversimplified" diagrams and thereby get upset.  Rather the opposite is
true, at least for me, and I suspect a lot of other folders.  I read three,
or four, or more diagrams ahead.  Doing that allows me to see that, for
example, I'll be doing the next several steps on all the flaps and then I
can decide if I want to do them all in sequence, or do each step on each
flap as I go.  I have found many diagrams are written to be clear to
understand (YAY!) but that is not necessarily the same as the optimal or
fastest folding sequence.

-Doug





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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 09:38:21 -0300
From: kkinney@med.unc.edu (Kevin Kinney)
Subject: Re: Cows on FAX.

> If you received the fax garble or not at all and you are on my list please
> email me and I will retransmit.  If you received it ok then I would greatly
> like some feedback.  I am most interested in your suggestions/opinions of:
> my drawing style, clarity of the instructions, ways to shorted steps when
> redrawing it, improvements, etc..  I will soon begin drawing it on the
> computer for more mass distribution and would like to make any improvements
> then.
>
> Hope you all enjoy it.

John,
        Finally! I can now reply.  Thanks very much for sending the Cow
diagrams.  I tried it and was immediately successful, so that should be an
indication that the diagrams are quite clear.  The result is quite nice.
I really like the way the head turns out, suggests a bovine clearly (and
the swirly eyes are great).  I'm thinking of using it as a fold when I
leave tips in restaurants ("Cow tipping").
        As far as overdiagramming, I certainly believe that it is
possible to do so, but I don't think you've done so here.  I base this on
my admittedly brief survey of other dollar bill folds.  Folds from bills
(as opposed to from squares) tend to be more heavily diagrammed than
others, I'm not sure why.  Certainly if you were writing for master
folders, you could eliminate several steps, but then again, for master
folders, I think an accurate drawing of the final product would suffice!
(a testament to the elegance of the folds, If you like).
        Regarding the model itself, once you begin, the pattern is so
straightforward that it almost seems obvious, but I've never run into it
before.  The body is reminiscent of an elephant/rhino fold (depending on
who looks at it) that I ran into a while back, but the head is new to me.

        Thanks again.

Kevin Kinney





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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 09:57:42 -0300
From: "Londono, Juancarlos (3421)" <J.LONDONO@CGNET.COM>

Hi:

I'll travel to Costa Rica on the 8 of October for a week.

Is there anybody of our origami group living in San Jose or you know some
address/origami groups for visit?

Best regards

          >>>>>>>>>>>>ORIGAMI<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
              *********No Scissors required*********

Have a nice week and happy folding





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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 09:57:02 -0300
From: "Londono, Juancarlos (3421)" <J.LONDONO@CGNET.COM>
Subject: RE: Cows on FAX.

Please FAX me at 57-2-4450273
Juancarlos Londono

******************************
If you received the fax garble or not at all and you are on my list please
email me and I will retransmit.  If you received it ok then I would greatly
like some feedback.  I am most interested in your suggestions/opinions of:
my drawing style, clarity of the instructions, ways to shorted steps when
redrawing it, improvements, etc..  I will soon begin drawing it on the
computer for more mass distribution and would like to make any improvements
then.
*****************
THANKS A LOT!!!!!

>>>>>>>>>>>ORIGAMI<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
    *********No Scissors required*********





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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 14:24:20 -0300
From: Kevin Nara Park <prank@leland.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Fr. Francis McNaul

        Does anyone know how to contact any of the following people:

        Joan Decker, Yoshiko Decker, or Dr. M.J. Sherman.

        These people were in charge of the donation of an origami
collection which belonged to the late Fr. Francis McNaul.  The people who
are in charge of the collection would like to move it or donate it
someplace else (!!).
        Also, what are OUSA's policies on receiving origami collection
donations?  Is there a gallery or physical archive in which collections
can be stored or put on display?

--Kevin





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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 15:02:10 -0300
From: Tim Kennedy <TKENNEDY@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>
Subject: A1,A2,A4,etc.

Is it possible that someone on this list can inform me as to what the dimension
s of A1,A2,A4,etc.paper formats? I have used this format before but so long ago
that I have forgotten the basic module. I am hoping that the international
breadth of this forum can inform me on this matter. Most of the paper retailers
here in Georgia are not aware of this standard of paper format and look at me
as if I may be involved in somekind of un-American activity.I guard my
anonymity as a card folding member of the Origamist Party and, if pressured,
exercise my right to take the Fifth.





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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 15:27:47 -0300
From: bryan@sgl.ists.ca (Bryan Feir)
Subject: Re: A1,A2,A4,etc.

> Is it possible that someone on this list can inform me as to what the
> dimensions of A1,A2,A4,etc.paper formats?

   Okay, the setup is fairly simple, actually:

   Ax paper always has a height/width ratio of sqrt(2):1.  The useful
thing about this ratio is that if you cut the paper exactly in half
down the middle, you end up with two smaller pieces of paper with
exactly the same ratio.

   A0 is a piece of paper with an area of exactly one square metre
in area.  Given the sqrt(2):1 ratio, this gives us a format of:

A0:  1189mm x 841mm.   Splitting this down the middle, we get...
A1:   841mm x 595mm
A2:   595mm x 420mm
A3:   420mm x 297mm
A4:   297mm x 210mm
A5:   210mm x 149mm
A6:   149mm x 105mm   ... and so on...

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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 15:44:51 -0300
From: jacobs@roch803.mc.xerox.com (Robert Jacobs)
Subject: Re: A1,A2,A4,etc.

Paper Dimensions? Sure, no problem.  I work with them every day.  I've only
got the measurements in millimeters, so if you need inches you'll have to
convert them.

A0      841 x 1189
A1      594 x 841
A2      420 x 594
A3      420 x 297
A4      210 x 297
A5      148 x 210
A6      105 x 148
A7      74 x 105
A8      52 x 74

- Rob

>Is it possible that someone on this list can inform me as to what the dimension
>s of A1,A2,A4,etc.paper formats? I have used this format before but so long ago
>that I have forgotten the basic module. I am hoping that the international
>breadth of this forum can inform me on this matter. Most of the paper retailers
>here in Georgia are not aware of this standard of paper format and look at me
>as if I may be involved in somekind of un-American activity.I guard my
>anonymity as a card folding member of the Origamist Party and, if pressured,
>exercise my right to take the Fifth.





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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 15:49:06 -0300
From: Richard Kennedy <KENNEDRA@ibm3090.bham.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Flower Book Recommendations

I think the most recent ORU (8) has a lot of flower models. At the BOS
convention in York Maarten van Gelder showed a modular Christmas cactus
from this issue. Beautiful and quite realistic.
Richard K.





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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 17:11:50 -0300
From: agb@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk
Subject: Diggers

Does anyone know of diagrams for a mechanical digger?
Thanks

Alex Bateman





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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 18:12:47 -0300
From: Grace.Chiu@Cognos.COM (Chiu, Grace)
Subject: RE: Maekawa's Theory

Okay.  I am forgetting that I'm a mathie.  The first time I read it, I
didn't get it either.
No, Avi, you're not missing a page.  Some verbiage may have been edited out
to
make room for notes or something.  Fortunately, I have in front of me a
soon-to-be-overdue library copy of "Origami Omnibus" (English language
version) in which a previous borrower has pencilled in some notes.

So, here's my non-mathematical interpretation of this Maekawa application
thing.
Say you want to create a base for something, and you need to make some
flaps.
Maekawa is saying that the minimum base is made by always splitting right
angles n times, where n is the number of flaps you need.

>         L(alpha)=1/nLR (n=2,3,4,5...)
L(alpha) means "an angle labelled alpha", LR means "a right angle" (?)  So,
the above means "angle alpha is 1/n times the angle of a right angle for n
flaps(?)

I dunno.  Try folding that dinosaur and then that peacock on the next page.
  Then unfold them and study the crease patterns.  I think they're just
trying to get you to appreciate the relationship between bases and crease
patterns as a foundation for design.  That's why there isn't any
instructions to fold the peacock, just the crease pattern and a photo of the
finished product.

This Maekawa stuff and what I got from Robert Lang's design workshop at the
OUSA convention certainly made me get away from the patternized approach to
origami.
It's kinda second-generation origami, eh?  Deep stuff this hobby of ours.

Have a fun weekend,

Grace
 ---
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From: origami-l
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: mcKawa Theory? / Oh dear, another troub
Date: Thursday, September 28, 1995 2:42PM

Hello fellow folders!

Recently I've been reading Kunihiko Kasahara's "ORIGAMI OMNIBUS I", and
I've become somewhat confused. In the chapter discussing the Origami
bases, he attempts to explain the mcKawa theory (mcKawa? roughly
reverse-engineered from the Hebrew translation - this may be misspelled)
in a passage which leaves me looking for the
must-have-been-torn-out-following page:

     "Determining the minimal connection-unit of the
     base form relying on the number of equal parts
     that the angles divide into.

          L(alpha)=1/nLR (n=2,3,4,5...)

     When n equals 2, one form as in a to the left.
     When n equals 4, two forms as in a and b to the left.
     When n equals 3, one form as in c in the bottom."
     (Following are two not-very-clear diagrams)

    (-Roughly translated from the Hebrew edition.)

Ehh?
Whaaa?
Ah! It, er... umm, right.

Any Ideas on this?

               Avi,
               Fumbled Folder
