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Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 21:05:15 -0300
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: flower petals ??

Anybody:
Are cherry blossoms pink or white?
How many petals do they have, 4, 5, ?
How many petals do scarlet pimpernels have?
--valerie





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Date: Sun, 17 Sep 1995 01:23:57 -0300
From: PenneyA@aol.com
Subject: Re: Convention Exhibition

I have an old book called Modern Origami by James Minoru Sakoda. There is a
peacock with a pleated tail in it? could that be the one your looking for?
                                                  Penney





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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 08:43:18 -0300
From: "MARGARET M. BARBER" <mbarber@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu>
Subject: Re: flower petals ??

both cherry blossoms and scarlet pimpernels have 5 petals according to
the Newcomb Wildflower guide... hope this helps.

On Sat, 16 Sep 1995, Valerie Vann wrote:

> Anybody:
> Are cherry blossoms pink or white?
> How many petals do they have, 4, 5, ?
> How many petals do scarlet pimpernels have?
> --valerie





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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 08:50:56 -0300
From: Folderbuck@aol.com
Subject: Re: maple leaf

Dear Carol,

Today you wrote:

>I've been wanting to find a nice, accurate model of a maple leaf.<

There is a very nice Japanese Maple Leaf diagrammed in NOA (Nippon Origami
Association) Magazine, by Setsuko Yamashina, in issue No. 195, November 1991.

You can e-mail me directly if you don'y have access to a source for back
issues.

Happy Folding,

Steve Buck





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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 08:52:41 -0300
From: Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>
Subject: Fascinating Folds (fwd)

Here's the new contact info for Fascinating Folds.

Joseph Wu      <jwu@cs.ubc.ca> | Witty quote is now back to the
Master's Student               |   drawing board due to squeamish
University of British Columbia |   readers. Any suggestions?
WWW: http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/jwu/origami.html (Origami Page)

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Thanks for the interest.  The complete info is:

Fascinating Folds
P.O. Box 2820-235
Torrance, CA  90509-2820
Tel  310/378-0076
Fax  310/378-0647





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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 08:54:46 -0300
From: "Mr B.R. Stephens" <bruce@liverpool.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Convention Timing

> That is very enticing.  I suspect too expensive though.  Has anyone on this
> list gone to a BOS convention recently _and_ paid their own way?  How expense
> was it really?  I imagine the convention fee is the smallest of the expenses!

Well, I just went to the last one, but I'm a bit closer, I guess!
There is no convention fee.  You pay only for what you want
(accommodation and food, and of course the convention book).  I took
accommodation for Friday and Saturday night, and all relevant meals,
and the whole lot cost about 90 pounds.  Your main cost is surely
travel, and that I can't estimate:  ask your local travel agent!

It would make sense to stay a little longer, if you are traveling far.
For almost all locations in the UK, in March and September you can get
accommodation without pre-booking.  Reasonable hotel rooms cost about
30 or 40 pounds a night, perhaps a little more, and B&B rooms cost a
little less (20 pounds a night).  I'm sure Penny would be willing to
help arrange to find accommodation in advance if you wanted to be
sure.  Food varies a lot, obviously, but it's not that much different
in cost to elsewhere in the Western world.

> Wow, now I really have to get a passport, just in case!

The next one's in Nottingham in March (possibly April, I don't
remember).

--
Bruce                   Institute of Advanced Scientific Computation
bruce@liverpool.ac.uk   University of Liverpool





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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 11:46:15 -0300
From: Mike Kennon <mkennon@nando.net>
Subject: RE: Fascinating Folds (fwd)

Sorry I missed the thread, what is Fascinating Folds?
-------------------------------------
Name: Mike Kennon
E-mail: mkennon@nando.net
Date: 09/18/95
Time: 08:36:06
-------------------------------------

>Here's the new contact info for Fascinating Folds.
>
>Joseph Wu      <jwu@cs.ubc.ca> | Witty quote is now back to the
>Master's Student               |   drawing board due to squeamish
>University of British Columbia |   readers. Any suggestions?
>WWW: http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/jwu/origami.html (Origami Page)
>
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>Thanks for the interest.  The complete info is:
>
>Fascinating Folds
>P.O. Box 2820-235
>Torrance, CA  90509-2820
>Tel  310/378-0076
>Fax  310/378-0647





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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 12:13:25 -0300
From: kkinney@med.unc.edu (Kevin Kinney)
Subject: Dollar Bill Star?

Hi everyone,
        I'm pretty new to the list, so I suppose I should introduce myself
first.

        My name is Kevin Kinney, and I am a postdoctoral fellow at the
Carolinas Medical Center in Charlotte, NC.  I have been a paperfolder for
about three years now, ever since a friend drafted me into making 100
cranes for a wedding of a friend of his (actually, he was making 1111, but
that's another story).  As we were doing this, he showed me some of the
other models he had folded, each after I had said something to the effect
of "There's NO WAY you can make a _______ out of a square of paper without
scissors or glue."  Each time he proveed me wrong, so naturally I had to
take up the craft myself.  As a card-carrying zoologist, I prefer the
animals, the more accurate the better, but my favorite fold is the
"Rearing Dragon" model (By M. Kirchenbaum ?) from the Mythical Beings book.

        Why am I posting now?  (Other than the intro, of course)
        The same friend who got me hooked has had for some time a dollar
bill which someone showed him how to fold into a Star of David (six-sided
star, with an opening in the middle).  He's forgotten how to fold it, and
I don't think he has the heart to unfold his only copy after so many years
to figure it out.  Does anyone have a folding diagram for such a piece?
Do you know where I can get a copy?

Thanks,

Kevin Kinney





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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 12:15:57 -0300
From: gpowell@mv.us.adobe.com (Gary W. Powell)
Subject: Quality of paper

Hi,
  I'm having trouble trying to figure out what the quality of the paper is
inside those plastic wraps before I purchase and open it. Everytime I
switch to a different brand I seem to get a quality of different paper. ie.
The thickness feels nearly the same, but some after a multitude of folds,
it appears to have been slightly thicker. And some has a almost a more
plastic feel to it. A higher shine to the ink and it creases better than
other papers which I can only describe as cheap (Not in-expensive, I seem
to pay about the same amount for all of this stuff.)

  Is there some sort of universal markings on paper which would help me
know what it is I am buying?

  IYHO are the loose sheets from the OUSA the best you ever found?

  Do you have a favorite brand for those R. Lang and Montrol four star
models? I can fold regular 20lb bond into the simple stuff but the hard
models require paper which won't tear easily and creases well. (And is
available in 10" squares.)

  -Gary-

PS
  What I really love is when there appears to be no Trade name on the
package. Yet some of that paper is the best I can find. (Unfortunately it
comes only in mixed sizes and colors.)





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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 12:16:39 -0300
From: John Smith <jon.pure@paston.co.uk>
Subject: top-ten

For some time now I have been sorting out what for me are the top ten
contemporary masterpieces. By contemporary I simply mean that I am
excluding the classic traditional folds. Obviously such a list reflects one's
preferences and my list is no exception. I have not included any modular folds
as I much prefer models made from a single piece of paper. I have not included
any of the incredible technical folding, I prefer simplicity and elegance.
Except
possibly for David Brill's horse I have not included any models which depend
on wet fold sculpturing, for me this is not really paper folding. Anyway this is
my list:-

Shuzo Fujimoto   Cube.  In one glorious move the cube is formed. I was so
enchanted with this that I wrote a poem about it which Mr. Fulimoto published
in his book in Japanese, I wonder what on earth our Japanese friends made of
it1.

Shuzo Fujimoto.  Hexagon Box with lid made from A4 paper. Method by Thoki
Yen. The way this box is formed and then the parts slide into each other is
incredible.

Toshikazu Kawasaki  Rose. The the version with a complex curved sink to
suggest extra petals. Surely the most convincing rose in Origami

Robert Neal  Butterfly. I think this was a dollar bill fold originally. So very
simple but it comes to life as a superb action model with a story to match,
sublime.

Herman Van Goubergen. What a brilliant creator. I must include two of his.
Man reading the paper, which is almost frightening. Gecko and fly on a wall,
how wonderful this is, the living creatures seem to arise from the geometric
form of the wall.

David Brill. I must include David's horse which I think is the greatest in
origami. Also his Sake Box wonderfully proportioned and beautifully clean
shapes.

Jun Maekawa Shell form. This is pureland, with every fold located as it should
be in pureland. The folding sequence is a delight. How simple yet how
profoundly elegant. A delight to fold.

Geoff Beynon, In and Out.  The most amazing abstract action model ever
folded, it's a swine to fold though.

Well that is my ten best (at the moment). I look forward to reading other
peoples selections. I wonder how much one can guess about a person from
knowing their top ten?
John Smith
Norwich
England
e-mail  jon.pure@paston.co.uk





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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 12:17:15 -0300
From: John Smith <jon.pure@paston.co.uk>
Subject: Kase

I am organising a little exhibtion and workshop in my village. I intend to
show something of Origami for the handicapped, and want to include Sabura
Kase's work. I only have details of his vase. chair and butterfly ring. Can
anyone suggest where I might find diagrams for more of his models?
John Smith
Norwich
England
e-mail  jon.pure@paston.co.uk





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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 12:18:06 -0300
From: Sheila Davis <sew@hpfisew.fc.hp.com>
Subject: Re: flower petals ??

>
> Anybody:
> Are cherry blossoms pink or white?
> How many petals do they have, 4, 5, ?
> How many petals do scarlet pimpernels have?
>
        Assuming you're referring to sakura (flowering cherry) and not
        the blossoms of the cherry fruit tree, they are a beautiful
        gentle pink with 5 petals each.  Dunno about the pimpernels
        though, perhaps someone else can help you there.
Regards,

  Sheila Davis        Hewlett-Packard IC Business Division
 sew@hpfisew.fc.hp.com          Fort Collins, Colorado





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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 12:18:54 -0300
From: pernod@pernod.demon.co.uk (Peter Hall)
Subject: Box with a lid?

Hello All,

I am looking for a model for a box with a hinged lid.
I would prefer not to use the 'box pleating' technique, as I haven't
got the hang of it yet (I had thought of adapting a 'jack-in-the-box'
pattern.)

Apologies to all if this is a FAQ, but I couldn't find the FAQ :-(
Pointers to that would also be helpful

Thanks in Advance.
--
Peter Hall





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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 12:23:52 -0300
From: DBSH47B@prodigy.com (MRS. JANET J HAMILTON)
Subject: Sasuga Bookstore

-- [ From: Janet Hamilton * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --

I just got back from a trip to Boston and NY (a relative was riding in
the Boston to NY Aids biking fundraiser).  While in Boston I stopped in
the Sasuga Japanese Bookstore (7 Upland Rd., Cambridge).  Thanks to
everyone on the list who recommended the store.  There were a number of
books not available in regular bookstores or through OUSA.  In
particular, I finally got to see what the ORU and NOA newsletters
looked like.  Both were impressive color productions, and ORU was
thicker than most origami books, which is surprising considering it is
a quarterly publication.  I bought Volume I of the Quarterly ORU
Folding Diagrams, $35.  Sasuga apparently does mail orders, so if you
are looking for particular Japanese publications, they might be a place
to try.

Janet Hamilton





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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 12:31:21 -0300
From: LapinPub@aol.com
Subject: Final Call for Origami Models Designed by Children

Several months ago I sent out a call for models designed by creators prior to
thier 18th birthday.  This means that "grown-ups" are invited to play also,
as long as their work predate's their gaining the right to vote.  The models
will be used in my upcoming series of books on origami designed by children.
 I got a wonderful response from my first posting and I just wanted to give
everyone one last chance to submit.  The models should be of
Beginner/Intermediate level and in general should not require a great deal of
"sculpting" to make them look good.  If you are interested or know of anyone
that might be please post me at LapinPub@aol.com (Please note that this is a
NEW e-mail address!)

Thanks!

J.C. Nolan (LapinPub@aol.com)





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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 17:11:31 -0300
From: Jae Hyuk Lee <jaelee@WPI.EDU>
Subject: Re: Sasuga Bookstore

> Folding Diagrams, $35.  Sasuga apparently does mail orders, so if you
> are looking for particular Japanese publications, they might be a place
> to try.

In case anyone is interested,

           e-mail:  sasuga@world.std.com (Karen Yahara)
              WWW:  http://www.japanese.com/sasuga/





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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 17:22:39 -0300
From: sychen@ENH.NIST.GOV (Shi-Yew Chen \(a.k.a. Sy\))
Subject: Re: Box with a lid?

>Hello All,
>
>I am looking for a model for a box with a hinged lid.
>I would prefer not to use the 'box pleating' technique, as I haven't

What is 'box pleating'?

>got the hang of it yet (I had thought of adapting a 'jack-in-the-box'
>pattern.)
>
>Apologies to all if this is a FAQ, but I couldn't find the FAQ :-(
>Pointers to that would also be helpful
>
>Thanks in Advance.
>--
>Peter Hall
>

Did you try David Brill's model? Its diagram can be fournd in Origami for
Connoisseur.

Shi-Yew Chen (Sy)
E-Mail - sychen@enh.nist.gov
WWW URL - http://www.iia.org/~chens/syhome.htm





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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 17:22:59 -0300
From: Tim Kennedy <TKENNEDY@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>
Subject: Re: top-ten

I was intrigued by Mr. Smith's top-ten...enough to ask for a bibliography of
where the folds mentioned could be found. While my own selection of origami
books is small, my powers of research are great!  Thanks in advance.
TK





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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 18:27:41 -0300
From: William Anstine <cptcobel@yrkpa.kias.com>
Subject: Re: Sasuga Bookstore

Speaking of "traveling" origami, are there files in the archives for
local areas and origami resources for those areas?  I've seen lists of
bookstores for general reading posted on the 'Net, but nothing
origami-specific.

As I am stuck in the pit of York, PA, there are not many origami
resources here, but I would be more than willing to type up a 3 or 4 byte
text file on what is available! :)

Would anyone else be willing to type up origami resources, by city or
region, available in the USA?  If you send me the textfiles, I would be
glad to edit and compile them into a usable form.

Thanks!

Cpt

"The Origami Travel Guide"





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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 20:31:34 -0300
From: DBSH47B@prodigy.com (MRS. JANET J HAMILTON)
Subject: Re: Box with a lid

-- [ From: Janet Hamilton * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --

> >I am looking for a model for a box with a hinged lid.

There is a book by Tomoko Fuse called "Boxes in One Piece" that has a
few boxes with hinged lids.  The boxes are various shapes - diamond,
rectangle, and hexagon.  The book is in Japanese, but the diagrams are
easy to follow.

Janet Hamilton





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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 23:10:11 -0300
From: Kevin Thorne <C598033@MIZZOU1.missouri.edu>
Subject: Re: Box with a lid

     Kasahara has a nice box with a hinged lid in Origami Omnibus.  It's
pretty simple and works nicely if you use thin paper.

                        Kevin

c598033@mizzou1.missouri.edu





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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 23:16:06 -0300
From: tms58@uswinfo.com (Tms)
Subject: Re: Australian Origami Socs

hello folders in the south (united states)

how about starting a folding club in the southeastern united states?  i
would like to start a list and then we could share our favorite
origami through the mail.  any suggestions out there?

tms from georgia





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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 23:57:14 -0300
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: top-ten

John Smith wrote his list of criteria/caveats and his top-ten folds.  What
the heck, I'll do the same.

John wrote:
+excluding the classic traditional folds. Obviously such a list reflects one's
+preferences and my list is no exception. I have not included any modular folds
+as I much prefer models made from a single piece of paper.

I, however, love geometric/modular origami and will allow modular stuff. ;-)

+                                                           I have not included
+any of the incredible technical folding, I prefer simplicity and elegance.

I will go along with this.  Besides, I don't know how I'd begin to rate them,
even subjectively!

+Except possibly for David Brill's horse I have not included any models
+which depend on wet fold sculpturing, for me this is not really paper
+folding. Anyway this is my list:-

I too will not consider wet folded models, but that is my own lack of
experience and exposure only.

Bibliogrpahic references in square brackets '[]' are explained at the end.

In no particular order, here is my list:

1. Kawasaki's Rose...
+Toshikazu Kawasaki  Rose. The the version with a complex curved sink to
+suggest extra petals. Surely the most convincing rose in Origami

Agreed!  Can be found in [OftC].

2. Beynon's Spring Into Action...
+Geoff Beynon, In and Out.  The most amazing abstract action model ever
+folded, it's a swine to fold though.

;-) Agreed.  Found in [JO] titled "Spring Into Action".  I have found a
square folded into 3x8 then folded with the "Spring Into Action"
creases/pleats works well.  I would imagine a long rectangle divided up
would make an amazing sight when "sprung".  John Smith "forgot" to mention
that he wrote a poem for this one as well, which is reprinted inside the
back cover of [JO].

3. The Sonob`e Unit, which can be found in [OftC] and [UOMT] and probably other
places.  This unit is versatile, allowing the creation of a host of
geometric forms as well as sculptures ([OftC]), but as a bonus it is
amenable to many different variations.  An all around stellar unit
performer.

4. The Ornamental Omega Star by Michael Naughton (Michael is this published in a
book anywhere?).  Related to the Sullivan/Shen Omega Star, but because it is
hollow it is more striking and can hold a cube for additional decorative
effect.  Most importantly, the empty center affords a much much easier
assembly than the Omega Star.

5. Daffodil (and stem) by Ted Norminton, which can be found in [CO].  This
is an _amazing_ flower, and ranks (in my book) as equal with the Kawasaki
Rose in terms of capturing the reality and soul of the subject.

6. Cat by Toshie Takahama, which can be found in [CO].  Of all the cat
models I have run across this one is my favorite, and I'll quote Jackson
with whom I completely agree:
    The cat is regarded by many creative folders to be a very difficult
    subject to capture in paper, because its shape is very simple and
    curved.  In the opinion of the author, Mrs. Takahama's Cat is the most
    successful version yet achieved, being well proportioned, full of
    character, instantly recognizeable and pleasing to fold.

7. My Favorite Fox by Kunihiko Kasahara in [OOPfE].  I was completely taken
in by this model when I first saw it, and am still enchanted to this day.
The simpliicty of the form and the use of curve are so clean and so
evocative.  Elegant is the best single word to describe it.

8. Stellated Octahedron by Sam Ciulla in [tAoO].  While not a true
stellation in the mathematical sense, it is a great one piece inflatable
alternative to the water bomb/ballon.  This is the first model I make when I
get new paper.

9. Kaleidoscope Flower, collected by Fumio Inoue and Hisa Amimoto, in
[tAoO].  'Also known as a flexagon' (Gay Merrill Gross).  I love this model
because the units are easy to fold, only moderately annoying to assemble,
and the model is a treat to play with.  A fun model for fussy handed people.

10. Frog with a Big Mouth by Robert Neale, in [OPaS].  Very simple, yet
instantly recognizeale (to steal a well turned phrase) and easily
teachable.  Delightful!

+Well that is my ten best (at the moment). I look forward to reading other
+peoples selections. I wonder how much one can guess about a person from
+knowing their top ten?

Perhaps too much! :-)  In my case it also shows that I've not had access to
the older "contemporary books" of the Harbin and early BOS era which have been
out of print longer than most of Jackson's books!

Bibliographic Key:
CO - Classic Origami
            by Paul Jackson
            (currently out of print)
            (is half of the book "Make it with Paper" by Vivian Frank and Paul
            Jackson - seen on the discount shelf at Barnes and Noble)
OftC - Origami for the Connoisseur
            by Kunihiko Kasahara and Toshie Takahama
            (currently out print)
OOPfE - Origami Omnibus Paperfolding for Everybody
            by Kunihiko Kasahara
OPaS - Origami Plain and Simple
            by Robert Neale and Thomas Hull
JO - Jeff 'Ori BOS Booklet #37
            By Jeff Beynon
Spirals - Spirals
            by Tomoko Fus`e
            (in Japanese)
tAoO - The Art Of Origami
            by Gay Merrill Gross
UOMT - Unit Origami Multidimensional Transformations
            by Tomoko Fus`e

Typos and miscredits are unintentional, please straighten me out if I have
made a mistake!

-Doug





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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 00:26:40 -0300
From: marckrsh@pipeline.com (Marc Kirschenbaum)
Subject: Re: Dollar Bill Star?

On Sep 19, 1995 12:13:25, 'kkinney@med.unc.edu (Kevin Kinney)' wrote:

>       Why am I posting now?  (Other than the intro, of course)
>       The same friend who got me hooked has had for some time a dollar
>bill which someone showed him how to fold into a Star of David (six-sided
>star, with an opening in the middle).  He's forgotten how to fold it, and
>I don't think he has the heart to unfold his only copy after so many years

>to figure it out.  Does anyone have a folding diagram for such a piece?
>Do you know where I can get a copy?

The star that you are referring to is in all likelihood Fred Rohm's *Star
of David Moneyfold.* This model was created back in 1970, was diagrammed by
Tony Cheng in 1989 for an Origami USA convention Annual. These diagrams
have been recently reprinted for inclusion in Origami USA's latest
publication, *Making More with Money.* This excellent book can be obtained
through the Origami Source, which is the supplies center of OrigamiUSA.

Marc Kirschenbaum





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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 01:27:00 -0300
From: Ffolds@aol.com
Subject: Who is Fascinating Folds?

Hi,
I have just recently joined your list, so it seems an appropriate time to
introduce myself.

My name is Bren Riesinger, and Fascinating Folds is the name of my business -
a mail order supplier of Origami papers and books.  I have been developing
this business for a few years, first as a hobby, then as a passion.  Though
definitely not a master folder, I am continually amazed at this wonderful
craft and the myriad of creations that are possible from simple paper!  I
should further explain that I still work a "regular job" and continue to work
with Fascinating Folds as an extra business.  Maybe some day things will
change, you never know!

I have two requests for the group:  1)I have started a newsletter for my
friends/clients and would very much appreciate any articles on Origami that
anyone would like to submit.  Please email them to me at Ffolds@aol.com.  2)
I am always looking for Origami books to add to my line and would like to
work with any authors who are interested.

Thanks!





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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 09:57:25 -0300
From: kkinney@med.unc.edu (Kevin Kinney)
Subject: Re: Southern Folders

> hello folders in the south (united states)
>
> how about starting a folding club in the southeastern united states?  i
> would like to start a list and then we could share our favorite
> origami through the mail.  any suggestions out there?
>
> tms from georgia

I tried making a private reply, but couldn't, so I'll have to take up a
slot on the list.
        I'm in Charlotte, NC, and might be interested in such a proposed
club.   If it goes any further, let me know.

As long as I'm making a public post, let me say thanks to any and all of
you who sent the source for Rohm's Dollar Bill Star.  I'm looking forward
to wow-ing my mentor next time I see him.

Kevin
kkinney@med.unc.edu





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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 11:06:12 -0300
From: Jennifer.Campbell@cciw.ca (Jennifer Campbell)
Subject: It's lovely, but it's only paper...

Hi everyone,

I've just been lurking for a while...
I know the topic of selling origami models has come up from time to time.
The only time I will sell a model is when I donate the entire selling price
to charity. AND YES, THE DESIGNER ALWAYS GETS TOP BILLING! I've had good
luck with this over the previous years, selling "inexpensive" models as a
fundraiser for our United Way campaign. The profile of origami has been
raised in our building. Many people who brought these models home to their
children came back for lessons or advice about how they could get started
themselves. Others just wanted to learn more about it because it was so new
and unusual.

Yesterday we had a silent auction for charity and I donated a bouquet of
Kawasaki roses and a Montroll lobster. I spent _hours_ on them, used the
best handmade papers, folded them carefully (these are models I've had lots
of practise with). They were presented well (the roses in a nice vase, the
life-size lobster on a plate!). They were well in-tune with the theme of
the auction and countless people admired them, gushed over how much time it
must have taken, how difficult they were to do, etc... (these remarks I
deflected, since there were so many beautiful donated items by other
artists)

Yet no one wanted to pay for them! The roses were "stolen" for barely the
cost of the materials and no one bid on the lobster :-(

I found this very discouraging. I hope it was just the "garage sale"
mentality people took into the auction--looking for a bargain instead of
remembering that we were trying to raise money for a cause... I think I'll
have to go back to making origami models as gifts only for those who
appreciate it!

       /\_/\       ________
     `(     )' oo /        \
       `==='     | Maguro o |
       /   \     |  kudasai |
      |     |     \________/
      |     |
    ___\___/__jennifer.campbell@cciw.ca





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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 11:45:57 -0300
From: jnoll@su19bb.ess.harris.com (John Noll)
Subject: I've lurked long enough!!

Hello All,

   My name is John Noll.  I am an electrical engineer and live in
Melbourne, FL.  I have been listening with great interest to the
discussions here but have not posted before because I felt that
I had nothing to contribute.  But I now have something to say.  I
have invented (?) a fold and I would like to share it with the world.

DIGRESSION >  Did I invent, create, or discover the fold.  Certainly,
        I 'created' the first piece as the original was art.  However, to
        be able to recreate it I 'invented' an algorithm of the order of
        folds to achieve the result.  What is proper?
<REGRESSION

Anyway, my problem now is how to share it.  I need to diagram it.  So my
question to you all is "What tool do you use to diagram your creations?"
I could diagram it by hand on paper easy enough.  Is there someone on the
list who would like to turn my drawing into a form suitable to posting
on the net.  I thought about trying to describe how to fold it but I even
confused myself so that is out.  Also, how do I find out if someone else
has already 'invented' it.  I don't want to post it and have someone think
that I stole it.  It is easy to fold and so may very likely have already
been done.

By the way, It is a dollar bill fold of a cow.  It really looks like a cow
and is not very difficult to fold.

P.S. I do have access to corel draw but have never used it.  Any one
have any experience doing origami drawings with corel?

Any help or advice would be appreciated.

< < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < <
 John Noll                       /~~\
 jnoll@su19bb.ess.harris.com  /\/    \o\_
 Palm Bay, Florida           /        \o\\





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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 12:03:09 -0300
From: John Smith <jon.pure@paston.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Box with a lid?

At 12:18 19/09/95 -0300, you wrote:
>Hello All,
>
>I am looking for a model for a box with a hinged lid.
>I would prefer not to use the 'box pleating' technique, as I haven't
>got the hang of it yet (I had thought of adapting a 'jack-in-the-box'
>pattern.)
>
>Apologies to all if this is a FAQ, but I couldn't find the FAQ :-(
>Pointers to that would also be helpful
>
>Thanks in Advance.
>--
>Peter Hall
My favourite box is by David Brill made from a square. It has a hinged lid
which comes over an inner shell. The inner part of the box is a different
colour to the outside.
Find it in 'Origami paper folding for Fun, Octopus, 1980. ISBN 0 7064 1015
7. This is a superb book by the way with a great collection of models
>
John Smith
Norwich
England
e-mail  jon.pure@paston.co.uk





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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 12:36:52 -0300
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: flower petals: thanx & etc.

To all who answered my SOS about cherry blossoms and pimpernels: thanx

I thought they were both 5 petaled. And I was after the ornamental sakura
cherry primarily, though I imagine that since it is really a cherry, it has the
same structure as the regular fruit trees.

And fortunately, what I'm working on does give 5 petals!

-valerie





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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 12:42:51 -0300
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Box with a lid?

I'm not sure how "box pleating" comes into it, but there is
a box with integral lid (hinged) in Origami for the Connoiseur.
I'm not sure of the designer, maybe David Mitchell [?], but
since OFTC has been covered by the model index in the
archive, a search on BOX or container would turn it up.
As a box nut, this is one of my favorites, as it has an
inner lip that enables the lid to stay closed.

--valerie





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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 15:52:09 -0300
From: LapinPub@aol.com
Subject: Re: I've lurked long enough!!

Hey John and welcome,  In my limited (heh, heh) experience in diagramming
I've used a package called Micrographics Designer.  I use version 31 (I think
they're up to 6 now) becase each time they upgrade the software the interfae
becomes more and more cumbersome.  What is nice about Designer is that it is
more like a CAD/Vector hybrid than a standard vector drawing package. I've
played with Corel, Adobe Illustrator and Aldus Frehand and if I ever give up
Designer I'd probably move to Corel (though to be honest I'd probably check
out the recent versions of AI & Freehand).  Your cow sounds cool, I'm looking
forward to seeing it.  best of luck and let me know how things work out.





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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 11:00:53 -0300
From: LapinPub@aol.com
Subject: Fans of "Creating Origami"

To anyone who owns, or has encountered my book, could you please post me
privately?  I have a question...

Thanks,

J.C. Nolan (LapinPub@aol.com)





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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 13:25:19 -0300
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: It's lovely, but it's only paper...

<<no one wanted to pay for them...>>

Bummer. They need to go down to the local art gallery and
check prices on paper mache "scuptures", collages,
prints...

Maybe you could convince the event organizers that they
need a "minimum bid" policy and an aggressive auctioneer
to shame the cheapskates by pointing out that 1) its a charity
not a garage sale 2) someone donated hours of time, care and
expensive materials, the least they can do is cough up some
cash.

Maybe a local gallery or artists coop would let you show some
"proceeds to charity" items from time to time, and you'd get a
more appreciative audience...

--valerie





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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 13:34:15 -0300
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: I've lurked long enough!!

I've tried using Corel (v5; which is a "bigger" program ie more complicated than
the earlier versions, so I'm told), but I come from a CAD background, used to
precision drawing and vector operations, so I, too, find a CAD program better
than a drawing program. I use mainly Generic CAD, an "orphan" mid-range CAD
     program
from AutoDesk, the AutoCAD folks, but most any CAD or vector technical
     illustration
program would do. Its mostly a matter of what you're used to.

If you're in an engineering office (even electrical) there should be CAD around.
And maybe a scanner. If not, your local blueprinter can usually scan, print,
plot etc. in larger formats, Postscript etc. Most drawing and CAD programs have
at least an Apple Laserwriter Postscript printer driver that will output to
disk file, even if you don't actually have the printer.

Also, you might consider scanning your hand drawings. GIF, TIFF, and Postscript
files can be made from scanned graphics for computer posting, though bit-mapped
graphics files tend to be much larger than for instance, Postscript output from
     a
vector/CAD drawing program. Avoid color in any case for smaller more versatile
files, cleaner printouts and scans.

--valerie





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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 13:56:12 -0300
From: bryan@sgl.ists.ca (Bryan Feir)
Subject: Re: I've lurked long enough!!

> Anyway, my problem now is how to share it.  I need to diagram it.  So my
> question to you all is "What tool do you use to diagram your creations?"

   Me?  I use xfig for the individual diagrams, export them to encapsulated
PostScript files, then use LaTeX with the psfig extensions to perform the
layout on the page, and dvips to turn it all into one PostScript file.  At
least, that's what I did the last time I did this.

   But then, I'm a UNIX masochist.  <grin>

> I could diagram it by hand on paper easy enough.  Is there someone on the
> list who would like to turn my drawing into a form suitable to posting
> on the net.

   You'll find a fair degree of disagreement here on what constitutes a
'form suitable to posting on the net'.  Sending it as pictures, such as
GIFs, means you'll reach the greatest number of people, but lose out a
lot on detail.  I prefer PostScript myself, and most of the documents on
the FTP site are in that format; it lays out the directions for how to
draw the figure rather than the individual dots, so you get the best
resolution possible.  The only problem with it is that some people,
especially those on Windows, seem to have problems getting Ghostscript
(a free PostScript interpreter on the net) working.

   Some people have been advocating a move towards PDF, the Adobe
Portable Document Format.  While there are readers for that easily
available for the PC, you end up cutting off a lot of the others with
that; for example, there's not a PDF reader for Linux so I'm cut off.

>              I thought about trying to describe how to fold it but I even
> confused myself so that is out.

   It's difficult to describe any complex fold in words, yes; the crane
could probably be done, but anything really sophisticated would be next
to impossible, especially given the average attention span of people these
days.  As someone who's had to write system documentation, I *know* that
nobody reads large stretches of text.

>                                  Also, how do I find out if someone else
> has already 'invented' it.  I don't want to post it and have someone think
> that I stole it.  It is easy to fold and so may very likely have already
> been done.

   This is somewhat more difficult... especially as origami folds aren't
generally patented or written down in a single location that you could
search.  In fact there's a bit of a legal limbo here; you can copyright
a particular physical model, and you can copyright the diagrams used to show
someone how to fold it, but you can't copyright the sequence of folds itself;
that would require a patent, as it's a 'process'.  And patents aren't
automatic like copyrights are.  (Take with a grain of salt, as I'm not a
lawyer, but that's my understanding of the law.)

   Probably the best way to find out if someone else has already 'invented'
it is to just make it public that you've got this, and see if anyone else
has seen anything like it.  If it's a simple fold, nobody's going to make
a big fuss about it anyway.  There are a few of the more reclusive 'masters'
who might take people to task over an independent invention, but those
would be for complex pieces anyway.

> By the way, It is a dollar bill fold of a cow.  It really looks like a cow
> and is not very difficult to fold.

   Neat...

---------------------------+---------------------------------------------------
Bryan Feir           VE7GBF|"A half-truth, like a half-brick, is more forcible
bryan@sgl.ists.ca          | in an argument than a whole one...
                           | it carries further."     -- Stephen Leacock





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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 14:42:11 -0300
From: William Anstine <cptcobel@yrkpa.kias.com>
Subject: Re: It's lovely, but it's only paper...

Most people around my area- York, PA, think the Origami is wonderful.  At
least, that is the first reaction.  The second is "make me such-and-such
a model"  Then, when one person has something, everyone else wants one.

This is all well and good, only         EVERYONE WANTS THE 30-UNIT 2-HOUR
MODULAR FOLDS!   Nobody seems to realize that they are more than little
toy trinkets that take a bit longer than 5 minutes to make.

Oh, some people offer to pay for them, but they're more likely to offer
$5-7 for a modular piece than the $15 or $20 I would like (I figure, for
the base labor required to fold one, between 1-2 hours, @ 5$ an hour, I
should charge at least 10$ to make my labor worth anything)

I suppose the problem is perspective!

Cpt

On Thu, 21 Sep 1995, Valerie Vann wrote:

> <<no one wanted to pay for them...>>
>
> Bummer. They need to go down to the local art gallery and
> check prices on paper mache "scuptures", collages,
> prints...
>
> Maybe you could convince the event organizers that they
> need a "minimum bid" policy and an aggressive auctioneer
> to shame the cheapskates by pointing out that 1) its a charity
> not a garage sale 2) someone donated hours of time, care and
> expensive materials, the least they can do is cough up some
> cash.
>
> Maybe a local gallery or artists coop would let you show some
> "proceeds to charity" items from time to time, and you'd get a
> more appreciative audience...
>
> --valerie





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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 14:51:38 -0300
From: William Anstine <cptcobel@yrkpa.kias.COM>
Subject: Re: CAD software diagramming

I just began using Generic Cadd 6.0 (around $65 these days), and I've
found it to be a very useful diagramming tool.  It's best for depicting
2-dimensional folds or modular units (though I haven't tried describing
assemblies yet).  Once you have the basic components drawn (symbols can
be saved as such 'parts'), diagramming and copying shapes is fairly
easy.

Generic considers each line as an object, which gives you maximum
flexibility for scaling, "snapping" to endpoints to join parts, and for
picking out parts of the model (e.g. crease lines or shapes to follow) to
create the next step.

The only complaint I have is that if you put too many steps on the same
page, even with scaling down fold lines to make them visible, Postscript
output still prints some smaller crease lines as solid lines.

Anyone else use Generic Cadd to diagram?

Cpt..





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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 15:50:03 -0300
From: David Okey Cummings <CUMMIND1@mail.firn.edu>
Subject: Re: flower petals: thanx & etc.

Would some vendors please e-mail me their addresses, snail mail addresses,
so I can obtain some catalogue :-) David and David Jr. Cummings





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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 20:11:16 -0300
From: John Smith <jon.pure@paston.co.uk>
Subject: Re: top-ten

At 17:22 19/09/95 -0300, you wrote:
>I was intrigued by Mr. Smith's top-ten...enough to ask for a bibliography of
>where the folds mentioned could be found. While my own selection of origami
>books is small, my powers of research are great!  Thanks in advance.
>TK
>

Well here goes:.

Bob Neales Fluttering Butterfly,  Spiel und Spass mit Origami Paulo
Mulatinho ISBN 3-419-53526-0, Christophorus-Verlog Freiburg.

David Brill's Horse,BOS magazine No.100

David Brill's Sake Box, der Falter no 17 Jun 95

Shuzo Fujimoto's Hexagonal Box, Thoki Yen's method, der Falter N0. 4, Dez.90

Jeff Beynon' In and Out, BOS booklet no. 37

Shuzo Fujimoto's cube, BOS magazine no.94

Herman van Goubergen's Man reading the paper, BOS magazine No.160

Herman van Goubergen's Gecko and fly on a wall,  der falter no.14 Juni '94

Shell by Jan Maekawa, I cannot trace this in a publication. I was shown it
at a convention and liked it so much that I did some rough diagrams for myself.

Toshikazu Kawasaki's rose. Well here we have a problem there are several of
them. The one I chose was taught to me in Italy by Kawasaki and in Germany
by Silke Schroeder (who learnt it from Kawasaki). I spent ages figuring it
out and doing some diagrams for myself. I was given a specimen folded by
Kawasaki himself and Silke folded three for my wife. These are identical and
I was able to check my instructions against them.

 Kasahara in his book, Origami for the Connoisseur gives a rose by Kasahara,
but it is certainly not the one I was taught and admire so much. I remember
Kawasaki being asked about it and saying that he could not recognise the
Kasahara version as his...but I don't really know the origin of that
particular rose. It may well be that somewhere the rose I am on about has
been published, as well as Maekawa's simple shell. Pehaps someone will tell us.

Mant thanks for your interest. I would recommend 'der Falter' ( Origami
Deutchland) as probably the most beautifully designed magazine in the West.
The choice of models also shows great flair.
John Smith
Norwich
England
e-mail  jon.pure@paston.co.uk





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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 20:43:47 -0300
From: John Smith <jon.pure@paston.co.uk>
Subject: Re: top-ten

At 23:57 19/09/95 -0300, you wrote:
>John Smith wrote his list of criteria/caveats and his top-ten folds.  What
>the heck, I'll do the same.
>
>John wrote:
>+excluding the classic traditional folds. Obviously such a list reflects one's
>+preferences and my list is no exception. I have not included any modular folds
>+as I much prefer models made from a single piece of paper.
>
>I, however, love geometric/modular origami and will allow modular stuff. ;-)
>
>+                                                           I have not included
>+any of the incredible technical folding, I prefer simplicity and elegance.
>
>I will go along with this.  Besides, I don't know how I'd begin to rate them,
>even subjectively!
>
>+Except possibly for David Brill's horse I have not included any models
>+which depend on wet fold sculpturing, for me this is not really paper
>+folding. Anyway this is my list:-
>
>I too will not consider wet folded models, but that is my own lack of
>experience and exposure only.
>
>Bibliogrpahic references in square brackets '[]' are explained at the end.
>
>In no particular order, here is my list:
>
>1. Kawasaki's Rose...
>+Toshikazu Kawasaki  Rose. The the version with a complex curved sink to
>+suggest extra petals. Surely the most convincing rose in Origami
>
>Agreed!  Can be found in [OftC].
>
>2. Beynon's Spring Into Action...
>+Geoff Beynon, In and Out.  The most amazing abstract action model ever
>+folded, it's a swine to fold though.
>
>;-) Agreed.  Found in [JO] titled "Spring Into Action".  I have found a
>square folded into 3x8 then folded with the "Spring Into Action"
>creases/pleats works well.  I would imagine a long rectangle divided up
>would make an amazing sight when "sprung".  John Smith "forgot" to mention
>that he wrote a poem for this one as well, which is reprinted inside the
>back cover of [JO].
>
>
>3. The Sonob`e Unit, which can be found in [OftC] and [UOMT] and probably other
>places.  This unit is versatile, allowing the creation of a host of
>geometric forms as well as sculptures ([OftC]), but as a bonus it is
>amenable to many different variations.  An all around stellar unit
>performer.
>
>
>4. The Ornamental Omega Star by Michael Naughton (Michael is this published
in a
>book anywhere?).  Related to the Sullivan/Shen Omega Star, but because it is
>hollow it is more striking and can hold a cube for additional decorative
>effect.  Most importantly, the empty center affords a much much easier
>assembly than the Omega Star.
>
>
>5. Daffodil (and stem) by Ted Norminton, which can be found in [CO].  This
>is an _amazing_ flower, and ranks (in my book) as equal with the Kawasaki
>Rose in terms of capturing the reality and soul of the subject.
>
>
>6. Cat by Toshie Takahama, which can be found in [CO].  Of all the cat
>models I have run across this one is my favorite, and I'll quote Jackson
>with whom I completely agree:
>    The cat is regarded by many creative folders to be a very difficult
>    subject to capture in paper, because its shape is very simple and
>    curved.  In the opinion of the author, Mrs. Takahama's Cat is the most
>    successful version yet achieved, being well proportioned, full of
>    character, instantly recognizeable and pleasing to fold.
>
>
>7. My Favorite Fox by Kunihiko Kasahara in [OOPfE].  I was completely taken
>in by this model when I first saw it, and am still enchanted to this day.
>The simpliicty of the form and the use of curve are so clean and so
>evocative.  Elegant is the best single word to describe it.
>
>
>8. Stellated Octahedron by Sam Ciulla in [tAoO].  While not a true
>stellation in the mathematical sense, it is a great one piece inflatable
>alternative to the water bomb/ballon.  This is the first model I make when I
>get new paper.
>
>
>9. Kaleidoscope Flower, collected by Fumio Inoue and Hisa Amimoto, in
>[tAoO].  'Also known as a flexagon' (Gay Merrill Gross).  I love this model
>because the units are easy to fold, only moderately annoying to assemble,
>and the model is a treat to play with.  A fun model for fussy handed people.
>
>
>10. Frog with a Big Mouth by Robert Neale, in [OPaS].  Very simple, yet
>instantly recognizeale (to steal a well turned phrase) and easily
>teachable.  Delightful!
>
>+Well that is my ten best (at the moment). I look forward to reading other
>+peoples selections. I wonder how much one can guess about a person from
>+knowing their top ten?
>
>Perhaps too much! :-)  In my case it also shows that I've not had access to
>the older "contemporary books" of the Harbin and early BOS era which have been
>out of print longer than most of Jackson's books!
>
>Bibliographic Key:
>CO - Classic Origami
>           by Paul Jackson
>           (currently out of print)
>           (is half of the book "Make it with Paper" by Vivian Frank and Paul
>           Jackson - seen on the discount shelf at Barnes and Noble)
>OftC - Origami for the Connoisseur
>           by Kunihiko Kasahara and Toshie Takahama
>           (currently out print)
>OOPfE - Origami Omnibus Paperfolding for Everybody
>           by Kunihiko Kasahara
>OPaS - Origami Plain and Simple
>           by Robert Neale and Thomas Hull
>JO - Jeff 'Ori BOS Booklet #37
>           By Jeff Beynon
>Spirals - Spirals
>           by Tomoko Fus`e
>           (in Japanese)
>tAoO - The Art Of Origami
>           by Gay Merrill Gross
>UOMT - Unit Origami Multidimensional Transformations
>           by Tomoko Fus`e
>
>Typos and miscredits are unintentional, please straighten me out if I have
>made a mistake!
>
>-Doug
>

Many thanks for your wonderful list. I am very fond of Ted Norminton's work
and his daffodil is superb I agree. I like his rose which has it's own leaf
into which it fits. I often make it as a gift. Tomoko is brilliant and I
admire her boxes very much, but I still like to use just the one sheet,
sorry about that! Oh yes have you seen her lovely butterfly on a leaf/ It's
in her latest spiral book, (made from one square)

Your reply is everything I had hoped for, now I have some highly recommended
models to try. Wonderful.
John Smith
Norwich
England
e-mail  jon.pure@paston.co.uk





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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 20:54:35 -0300
From: kkinney@med.unc.edu (Kevin Kinney)
Subject: Vendor Request

>
> Would some vendors please e-mail me their addresses, snail mail addresses,
> so I can obtain some catalogue :-) David and David Jr. Cummings

I second this request

Kevin Kinney
kkinney@med.unc.edu





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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 20:59:21 -0300
From: "MARGARET M. BARBER" <mbarber@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu>
Subject: Re: It's lovely, but it's only paper...

I used to make custom children's clothing - lots of hand work,
embroidery, lace, fancy stitching, beautiful (and expensive) materials.
I found that people loved the garment, but had no appreciation whatsoever
about the amount of time required to complete the garment.  They also
didn't understand that some of the laces and fabrics cost nearly $20.00
per yard.  I think the problem was the "venue."  You need to find the
right place to market such beauties.  I agree with your decision to make
things for special friends who will appreciate them.  That's what I
finally ended up doing with the children's clothing.  Ah well... Perhaps
someone more market-oriented could make this work, but not me.  I know
how you must have felt!





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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 23:04:28 -0300
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: It's lovely, but it's only paper...

MARGARET M. BARBER wrote:
+I found that people loved the garment, but had no appreciation whatsoever
+about the amount of time required to complete the garment.  They also
+didn't understand that some of the laces and fabrics cost nearly $20.00
+per yard.  I think the problem was the "venue."  You need to find the
+right place to market such beauties.  I agree with your decision to make
+things for special friends who will appreciate them.  That's what I
+finally ended up doing with the children's clothing.  Ah well...

I've been thinking about this since the first message popped up, and while
reading Margaret's message it finally clicked.  This is just my opinion of
course....

I think the failure is not that "the public" doesn't understand the amount
of time or effort or special materials and techniques that go into origami,
but rather that the market for "similar" products has been so flooded by
inexpensive, cheap, but nice enough looking stuff that price expectations
have been drasticly lowered.  I know I am subject to this expectation
manipulation myself!  At the '95 Pittsburgh Arts Festival I enjoyed window
shopping, but found that what I wanted to pay for handmade candles, stained
glass, paintings, etc.  etc. etc.  (I didn't see any origami for sale) was
very different from what was being asked.  I don't recall if I attempted any
bartering though.

I don't think origami is being singled out, it is just that mass produced
goods are so "good enough" that handmade goods have lost sufficient
perceived quality "superiority" to make price about the only comparision, and
handmade stuff can't compete with mass produced stuff on price.

-Doug





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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 23:35:39 -0300
From: tms58@uswinfo.com (Tms)
Subject: Who is Fascinating Folds?

OR>Original Sender: Ffolds@aol.com

OR>Hi,
OR>I have just recently joined your list, so it seems an appropriate time to
OR>introduce myself.

OR>My name is Bren Riesinger, and Fascinating Folds is the name of my business
OR>a mail order supplier of Origami papers and books.  I have been developing
OR>this business for a few years, first as a hobby, then as a passion.  Though
OR>definitely not a master folder, I am continually amazed at this wonderful
OR>craft and the myriad of creations that are possible from simple paper!  I
OR>should further explain that I still work a "regular job" and continue to wor
OR>with Fascinating Folds as an extra business.  Maybe some day things will
OR>change, you never know!

OR>I have two requests for the group:  1)I have started a newsletter for my
OR>friends/clients and would very much appreciate any articles on Origami that
OR>anyone would like to submit.  Please email them to me at Ffolds@aol.com.  2)
OR>I am always looking for Origami books to add to my line and would like to
OR>work with any authors who are interested.

OR>Thanks!

bren,

count me in! could you please send me a catalog?

teresa





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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 23:42:30 -0300
From: tms58@uswinfo.com (Tms)
Subject: Re: Southern Folders

OR>Original Sender: kkinney@med.unc.edu (Kevin Kinney)

OR>> hello folders in the south (united states)
OR>>
OR>> how about starting a folding club in the southeastern united states?  i
OR>> would like to start a list and then we could share our favorite
OR>> origami through the mail.  any suggestions out there?
OR>>
OR>> tms from georgia

OR>I tried making a private reply, but couldn't, so I'll have to take up a
OR>slot on the list.
OR>     I'm in Charlotte, NC, and might be interested in such a proposed
OR>club.   If it goes any further, let me know.

OR>As long as I'm making a public post, let me say thanks to any and all of
OR>you who sent the source for Rohm's Dollar Bill Star.  I'm looking forward
OR>to wow-ing my mentor next time I see him.

OR>Kevin
OR>kkinney@med.unc.edu

kevin,

ok you're on.  but i believe we need to get atleast 10-15 more people on
the list.  hopefully there will be more folders responding.

teresa (tms58@uswinfo.com)
from folkston, georgia





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Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 00:52:28 -0300
From: Rjlang@aol.com
Subject: Re: I've lurked long enough!!

> There are a few of the more reclusive 'masters'
> who might take people to task over an independent invention, but those
> would be for complex pieces anyway.

I beg to differ. Every designer of _complex_ models that I know has an
appreciation for and understanding of the concept of simultaneous invention.
In my experience, the folks known to get bent out of shape are a very small
(and dwindling) number of designers of simple-to-intermediate folds.

Robert





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Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 00:53:14 -0300
From: Rjlang@aol.com
Subject: Re: Southern Folders

OR>> how about starting a folding club in the southeastern united states?

I'd suggest that you contact the Atlanta Regional Folders, which is an
affiliate of OUSA. The contact address is:

Laura Faller, 404-636-6424 or
Martha Mitchen, 404-396-4586.

And while we're in Lewis Grizzard country, I'll mention that I'll be giving a
talk on origami and mathematics at Dekalb College in Atlanta on Friday,
October 27 at 11:30 a.m. Contact ARF for details on where and how to get
there.

Robert J. Lang
