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Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 10:38:15 -0300
From: marmonk@eskimo.com (Mark Morden)
Subject: craft vs. art, another perspective?

I was doing a crossword puzzle yesterday.  The clue was a three letter word
for "Craft" beginning with "a."
Mark Morden == marmonk@mail.eskimo.com
--------------------------------------------------------
I believe in Christianity as I belive in the rising sun;
not because I see it but by it I see all else.
                                           C.S. Lewis





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Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 15:44:07 -0300
From: JRMetzger@aol.com
Subject: Re: 30 unit multimodular sphere

Richard Kennedy
Doug Phillips
Tim Rueger
Diane Kelly

Richard, Doug, Tim, Diane -

Thanks for all your help. A funny thing happened to me on the way to making a
30-unit sphere - I made a 12 unit sphere without intending to. The 30 had me
stumped, but with your assistance, and "Essential Origami" by the Biddles I
was able to succesfully complete the 30. A VERY satisfying feeling. The first
couple of spheres I made  using mono-color memo cube paper with Kasahara's
"Simplified Sonobe" module, then with regular kami paper I used Steve
Biidle's basic module, with white barss on the front of the unit (from the
above-mentioned book) for a really beautiful effect (with a little more
work). Highly recommended.
Thanks again!

Yaacov (a.k.a. Jacob) Metzger

BTW, Doug, what did you mean by a "subtle difference" between the 30 and the
12 unit spheres?





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Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 15:48:45 -0300
From: JRMetzger@aol.com
Subject: Re: Diagram for Mother Love?

In a message dated 95-08-07 11:10:43 EDT, you write:

>Date: Mon, 07 Aug 1995 09:52:27 -0400 (EDT)
>From: sychen@ENH.NIST.GOV (Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy))
>To: Multiple recipients of list <origami-l@nstn.ca>
>Subject: Diagram for Mother Love?
>Message-ID: <01HTSCZ4FFSY00N5ZP@ENH.NIST.GOV>
>
>Hi, everyone,
>
>Could someone point me the direction for "Mother Love" diagram? I saw the
>photo on OUSA newsletter. Is that made from one piece or two pieces?
>
>TIA.
>
>---------------------------------------------------
>Sy Chen <sychen@enh.nist.gov>

This was asked a month ago, with no replies. Anyone out there know where this
model is diagrammed (It's a mother with baby carriage/pram, apparently from
one piece of paper - with color change from mother to carriage)? Thanks.

Yaacov





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Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 16:43:58 -0300
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: 30 unit multimodular sphere

Yaacov,

+Thanks for all your help. A funny thing happened to me on the way to making a
+30-unit sphere - I made a 12 unit sphere without intending to. The 30 had me
+stumped, but with your assistance, and "Essential Origami" by the Biddles I
+was able to succesfully complete the 30.

+BTW, Doug, what did you mean by a "subtle difference" between the 30 and the
+12 unit spheres?

Do you know why you got a 12 unit sphere instead of a 30 unit one?
This is the key!  You are close!

I am curious to know how you actually assembled your spheres.  Did you add one
unit/piece at a time, or did you construct your sphere from larger groups of
units ('subassemblies' for the lack of a better word)?  Depending on which way
you did it, the "subtle" difference could be very subtle!

-Doug





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Date: Sat, 9 Sep 1995 00:42:04 -0300
From: PenneyA@aol.com
Subject: downloading origami diagrams

I am new to this listing and would really appreciate it if anyone knows of
internet addresses that have origami diagrams that can be downloaded.  If you
do, can you tell me where and how to do it?  Thanks   Penney





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Date: Sat, 9 Sep 1995 00:55:23 -0300
From: PenneyA@aol.com
Subject: Re: models of kiwis

How does anyone come us with these designs.  I am so facinated by some of the
boxes and unit origami I've made.





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Date: Sat, 9 Sep 1995 01:11:17 -0300
From: PenneyA@aol.com
Subject: Re: Halloween models

What is wet folding? When do you use it and what kind of paper do you use for
it?





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Date: Sat, 9 Sep 1995 01:15:00 -0300
From: PenneyA@aol.com
Subject: Re: Models of Kiwis

How do you access the BOS library?
                               Penney





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Date: Sat, 9 Sep 1995 01:38:02 -0300
From: marckrsh@pipeline.com (Marc Kirschenbaum)
Subject: Re: Diagram for Mother Love?

On Sep 08, 1995 15:48:45, 'JRMetzger@aol.com' wrote:

>In a message dated 95-08-07 11:10:43 EDT, you write:
>>
>>Could someone point me the direction for "Mother Love" diagram? I saw the

>>photo on OUSA newsletter. Is that made from one piece or two pieces?
>
>This was asked a month ago, with no replies. Anyone out there know where
this
>model is diagrammed (It's a mother with baby carriage/pram, apparently
from
>one piece of paper - with color change from mother to carriage)? Thanks.

Due to this apparent lack of replies, I guess that my incomplete reply will
have to suffice. The baby carriage portion of the model is the *Baby Buggy*
model, as created by Bun McLain. This model was diagramed for the 1989
Origami USA Convention Annual, by Ron Levy and Tony Cheng, with text by
Michael Shall. The *mother * portion of the model was based on the the lady
portion of Neil Elias' *The Last Waltz.* This model was diagramed in the
presently out of print BOS booklet. I have forgotten the proportions used
forr the model (somewhere inbetween a 1x2 to a 1x3), and I am not sure if
any official diagrams were ever released. Most importantly, I have
forgotten who came up with this model. To srtay slightly off topic, I
should mention that the ever imaginative Jeremy Shafer came up with a
variation on *Mother Love.* His version showed the results of the baby
being run over by the carriage. Jeremy, if you are on-line again, perhaps
you could shed some light on this model.

Mostly forgetteful, Marc





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Date: Sat, 9 Sep 1995 01:59:52 -0300
From: marckrsh@pipeline.com (Marc Kirschenbaum)
Subject: Wet folding (was Re: Halloween models)

On Sep 09, 1995 01:11:17, 'PenneyA@aol.com' wrote:

>What is wet folding? When do you use it and what kind of paper do you use
for
>it?
>
Wet folding is what happens when your fingers get really sweaty durring a
frusterating folding experience. Actually, there is some truth to that
silly statement. For papers that contain a large amount of sizing (the glue
that bonds the paper fibers together),  even the moisture of one's fingers
can affect the paper as with the more standard means of wet folding.
Typically, the folder will slightly dampen the paper throughout the entire
folding sequence, by using a mister (usung wet fingers can achive simmilar
results). The paper should never be soaked; you should try to acieve a
somewhat leathery texture.

When your model is dry, the sizing will hold the paper in it's new shape,
so this technique is great for molding models into that 3-d look. You can
always apply more moisture to parts that need reshaping.

As for paper, usually the thicker breed of papers contain more sizing. Some
people add glues and pastes to their water to improve ther model's
rigidity.

Probably by now, the people on this list who know how much I hate wet
folding are laughing at that I was the one who responded to this post. To
get a broader scope of techniques used for making display quality models, I
reccomend the Origami USA publication, *Paper Handling Techniques.*

Doing anything to plug a book, Marc





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Date: Sat, 9 Sep 1995 02:04:38 -0300
From: Jae Hyuk Lee <jaelee@WPI.EDU>
Subject: Origami-l FAQs (was Re: downloading....)

> I am new to this listing and would really appreciate it if anyone knows of
> internet addresses that have origami diagrams that can be downloaded.  If you
> do, can you tell me where and how to do it?  Thanks   Penney

* Diagrams, origami-l archive, and FAQ:         ftp://rugcis.rug.nl/origami/

* Many origami WWW sites:    http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/jwu/home-other.html

Penney, please try to use relevant subject lines.

> Subject: Re: models of kiwis
>
> How does anyone come us with these designs.  I am so facinated by some of the
> boxes and unit origami I've made.

> Subject: Re: Halloween models
>
> What is wet folding? When do you use it and what kind of paper do you use for
> it?

> Subject: Re: Models of Kiwis
>
> How do you access the BOS library?





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Date: Sat, 9 Sep 1995 12:56:59 -0300
From: Gretchen Klotz <gren@lclark.edu>
Subject: Scale-O-Graph

I was being dragged around an art supply store by a six-year-old
yesterday, and when we whipped into the graphics aisle my eye was caught
by the Scale-O-Graph.  It is 2 pieces of L-shaped plastic held together
across the diagonal by a metal rod with an adjuster knob.  It is made for
doing paste-up -- it measures and then is used to mark the place of any
size square or rectangle.  To use it, you adjust it to the size of the
photo or graphic you want to insert, position the Scale-O-Graph on the
page where you want to put the photo/graphic, and trace the inside with
your handy blue mock-up pencil to save its place.

So what does this have to do with origami?  Why, cutting paper into
squares, of course!  Does anyone out there own one of these and use it for
this purpose?  I am very intrigued by the possibilities, even though the
inner corner of each L is slightly rounded -- I can finish cutting those
corners after the other 99% of a perfect square is cut.

They come in 2 sizes: 6" and ~12".  The larger one cost $37, but
everything in this particular store is 20% off starting today.  I just
want some advice before I shell out that much money.  TIA.

- Gretchen





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Date: Sat, 9 Sep 1995 14:04:58 -0300
From: Gretchen Klotz <gren@lclark.edu>
Subject: Survey for Loose Ends Catalog Owners

Howdy!

I've talked with Peggy at Loose Ends a few times, and while they still
haven't made a definite decision about offering square paper, it seems
like they're leaning heavily toward doing so.  They've asked us to fold
some things out of their Yuzen paper to be photographed for the catalog!

Meanwhile, I want to take a very informal completely unscientific poll of
what those of you who already have the catalog (and your friends) would
consider buying.  Please reply to me directly, including the items on the
list below that you would purchase.

A few notes before the list...

We did ask if they would consider re-plating their animal prints smaller,
so if you made a zebra from a 6" square it would have more than one
stripe.  They are not able to justify the cost/quantity ratio for this
(although I imagine they'd reconsider if we all bought more than 10,000
yards of any other stuff).

I've folded with the metallic wash paper, and it is definitely thicker
than standard kami.  It folds well, but I didn't get super sharp creases.
This, like most of their papers, is at least partly recycled (has *some*
acid content), and is made to be distressed (doesn't tear easily).  I'm
not a wet folder, and if RC ever sends some of the samples to Philip Yee,
perhaps he'll post a report (hint hint!).

I'm (TM)ed out from my first post; please remember that most of their
names are trademarked. :-) I've just gone through the catalog, so the
things listed below are in order of appearance.  The numbers in
parenthesis after the paper name indicate how many colors/patterns there
are.  I've just tried to make similar suggestions to how origami paper is
already packaged.  No idea what Loose Ends will charge for these; they
have a copy of the OUSA Supply List and know what is standard.  I don't
know how they will set their own prices.

Paper      Pack    # sheets   Size
-----      ----    --------   ----
Wild Things (9)         multi  45 (5 each)      10"
Rough Stuff (10)        multi  50 (5 each)      10"
Papiers Wrinkle Wrap(13)multi   65 (5 each)       10"
Papiers Wrinkle Wrap(13)multi   65 (5 each)        6"
Not-A-Hide (14)         multi  70 (5 each)      10"
Not-A-Hide (14)         multi  70 (5 each)       6"
Not-A-Hide (5 naturals) multi   50 (10 each)      10"
Not-A-Hide (5 naturals) multi   50 (10 each)       6"
Yuzen (15)           multi       30 (2 each)   10"
Yuzen (15)           multi       30 (2 each)    6"
Colorwash "Basics" (6)  multi    60 (10 each)        6"
Colorwash plain (4)     multi       20 (5 each)   10"
Colorwash patterns (2)  multi    10 (5 each)        10"
Wild Things Faux (8)    multi      40 (5 each)  10"
Seaspray (5)       multi     25 (5 each)  6"
Seaspray (5)       multi     25 (5 each) 10"
Metallic Wash (3)       multi 30 (10 each)     6"
Metallic Wash (3)       multi 30 (10 each)    10"
Gilded Papers (5)       multi 50 (10 each)     6"
Gilded Papers (5)       multi 50 (10 each)    10"

In your reply, please indicate which you would buy and which you would not
and why.  Let me know if you don't see your favorite paper; it is probably
because:

        1) the pattern is too big to work well on a small model;
        2) the paper is handmade;
        3) the paper is too thick to fold well;
        4) it's ribbon;
        5) I overlooked it.

I will let you know my reasoning, and certainly will pass on any
suggestions to Loose Ends.  Some of their handmade papers are foldable, or
can be used with backcoating.  I'll have to get more samples -- I wonder
how some of the papers (Papiers Wrinkle Wrap, for instance) will fold.

- Gretchen, hoping this makes sense





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Date: Sat, 9 Sep 1995 14:12:28 -0300
From: Gretchen Klotz <gren@lclark.edu>
Subject: P.S. Re: Loose Ends Survey

Oh yeah -

Peggy said that cutting the paper might produce a lot of scrap, and I
told her that 2", 3", and 4" squares are also acceptable!  To those of
you answering my survey, please let me know which of those sizes you
might use.  Thanks.

- Gretchen





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Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 15:29:45 -0300
From: ACPQUINN@myriad.middlebury.edu
Subject: Last Waltz

Once again I extend an offer out to the folding masses:
I have the Last Waltz diagrams in order and foldable this time; all those
who received incorrect diagrams need only to send me their snail-mail addresses
by e-mail and I will send along the correct diagrams. The offer is still open,
however, to those who missed it the first time, to send me a SASE and $1.00
to cover copy costs (get my address by sending me an e-mail) with a request for
the Last Waltz.

may the peace of paper be with you,
Alasdair
acpquinn@myriad.middlebury.edu





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Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 23:03:08 -0300
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Survey for Loose Ends Catalog Owners

I've not seen the catalog (but just the descriptions are making me
crazy), but would like to make an couple of observations:

1. As a modular folder, getting enough of one color or pattern to
make a modular project is a constant problem. But a lot of modular
boxes, kusudama, polyhedrons ("spheres") require 30 units, or a multiple
of 30, so multiples of 5 or 6 or even 10 are good, so you can cut
them up.

2. They might consider A4 size (either European or American letter size)
since there are lots of origami models for A4, it can be cut down to
square easily, and it might give a marketably size for other interests
besides origami (calligraphers, printmakers, specialy low quantity
desktop publishing - especially if some of the papers are OK for
copiers or laser printers).

3. B size (11x17 inches) might be considered for the same reasons:
additional market (brochures & newsletters), plus 11 in squares and
some smaller pieces possible per sheet.

4. Perhaps OUSA's Supply Center would be interested in stocking some
of this paper, which would give them a some exposure to a lot of
folders.

5. Depending on the size they usually carry, larger squares than 10 in
in interesting paper ready cut is always helpful. And if its heavier
than kami, say, but still folds well, then the solution is larger
pieces. But the 2,3,4 in sizes mentioned in the other post as leftovers
are often ideal for boxes and similar projects where heavier paper
and fewer folds are required.

--valerie





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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 15:14:04 -0300
From: Stefan Gumhold Geomod WS94/95 <sgumhold@gris.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de>
Subject: prizes for books

Hello,

some time ago there was a question wether to buy Peter Engel's Folding
the Universe or not, because it shall be so expensive.
I just came over to Boston from Germany two weeks ago and went to a big
book store near Havard Square. I was very suprised to find very cheap
paperbacks of the following books:

Folding the Univers, Peter Engel:      $11.90
North Amerikan Animals, Montroll:      $ 8.90
Origami Sculptures, Montroll   :       $ 8.90
Origami Sealife, Montroll & Lang:      $ 8.90

So I bought all of them, as in Germany you won't get them for less thean
$20 each.
Thus was this a good deal or not ?

Stefan





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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 16:13:00 -0300
From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@dorsai.dorsai.org>
Subject: Re: prizes for books

>
> Folding the Univers, Peter Engel:      $11.90
> North Amerikan Animals, Montroll:      $ 8.90
> Origami Sculptures, Montroll   :       $ 8.90
> Origami Sealife, Montroll & Lang:      $ 8.90
>
> So I bought all of them, as in Germany you won't get them for less thean
> $20 each.
> Thus was this a good deal or not ?

I think you should have bought them all up at those prices :-)

--
Sheldon Ackerman.......http://www.dorsai.org/~ackerman/
ackerman@dorsai.dorsai.org
sheldon.ackerman@nycps.nycenet.edu





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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 18:35:16 -0300
From: LEMIEUXJ@aspen.uml.edu
Subject: RE: prizes for books

Hi Stefan

>
> Folding the Univers, Peter Engel:      $11.90
> North Amerikan Animals, Montroll:      $ 8.90
> Origami Sculptures, Montroll   :       $ 8.90
> Origami Sealife, Montroll & Lang:      $ 8.90

  You missed:
    The Origami Workshop, Gay Merrill Gross $10.76
    Birds in Origami, John Montroll  $2.66

  I assume you stopped at WORDSWORTH, they discount most books 10%.

  The ones you purchased were Dover publications, which are priced
 very reasonably to start with.

   WORDSWORTH,  30 BRATTLE,  CAMBRIDGE, MA 02138,  617-354-5201

Bob
J. Robert A. Lemieux
lemieuxj@woods.uml.edu





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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 19:34:58 -0300
From: Grace.Chiu@Cognos.COM (Chiu, Grace)
Subject: Re: prizes for books

No... no... don't buy ALL of them.  Leave some for me!

Lemme guess... Wordsworth Books?  Gotta like the 10% off (same as OUSA
discount but doesn't take 6 weeks to shop).

Grace

 ----------
From: origami-l
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: Re: prizes for books
Date: Monday, September 11, 1995 3:39PM

>
> Folding the Univers, Peter Engel:      $11.90
> North Amerikan Animals, Montroll:      $ 8.90
> Origami Sculptures, Montroll   :       $ 8.90
> Origami Sealife, Montroll & Lang:      $ 8.90
>
> So I bought all of them, as in Germany you won't get them for less thean
> $20 each.
> Thus was this a good deal or not ?

I think you should have bought them all up at those prices :-)

 --
Sheldon Ackerman.......http://www.dorsai.org/~ackerman/
ackerman@dorsai.dorsai.org
sheldon.ackerman@nycps.nycenet.edu





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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 21:07:51 -0300
From: casida@ere.umontreal.ca (Casida Mark)
Subject: Paul Jackson's book

Hi guys!

I just wanted you to know that thanks to you I took a close
look at
   L'encyclopedie du papier
             par Paul Jackson
when I found it in the Montreal public library and checked it
out.  It is not really an origami book but rather about using
paper as a basic material for art, all too neglected up till
now in the occident.  The first part of the book covers
technique, including a bit about origami.  The second part
of the book presents examples of what others have done
with paper as inspirational "themes".  In this section, you
can see photos of origami insects by Alfredo Giunta and
Robert Lang, a murex shell by Robert Lang, a bull's head
by Dave Brill, and a crow and a ram by Akira Yoshizawa.

I will translate what it says beside the photo of Akira
Yoshizawa's ram :
 "He tries to translate the character of his subject rather
  than aim, as do Western artists, at a literal representation."

Well, I'm out of time for now.  But the book is neat for many
reasons, one of which is the high respect it shows for paper
and what you can do with it.

                         Ciao!
                          ... Mark

--
*-------------------------------------------------------*
|          Mark E. Casida                               |
|          e-mail: casida@chimcn.umontreal.ca           |





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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 00:23:44 -0300
From: Vik Olliver <vik@atlas.econz.co.nz>
Subject: Unicorns

I'm after an FTP or WWW site with origami instructions for a unicorn.
I've rediscovered my childhood interest in origami - I used to be
fairly competent - and I'd love to be able to make one.

Any ideas?

Vik :v)





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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 00:57:32 -0300
From: David Eisner <cradle@wam.umd.edu>
Subject: Re: prizes for books

On Mon, 11 Sep 1995, Stefan Gumhold Geomod WS94/95 wrote:

[. . .]
> Folding the Univers, Peter Engel:      $11.90
[. . .]
> Thus was this a good deal or not ?
>
> Stefan

I don't know about the other books, but the cover price for the
Dover paperback of Engel's book is $12.95.

To be completely accurate, I should point out that the Dover edition
is technically titled _Origami from Angelfish to Zen_.

>From the copyright page:

     This Dover Edition, first published in 1994, is an unabridged,
   repaginated republication of the work originally published by
   Vintage Books, a division of Random House, Inc., New York, in 1989
   under the title _Folding the Universe: Origami from Angelfish to
   Zen_.  The acknowledgments and the biography of the author have been
   updated.

I used to own the original, found it amazing, and lent it to a friend who
promptly lost it.

David Eisner
cradle@wam.umd.edu





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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 05:22:56 -0300
From: Penny <Penny@sector.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Israel Origami Society

I've just had a letter returned from the Israel Origami society(I'm membership
sec of the BOS) Unknown is ticked on the reasons box, it went to the usual
address of Mevo HaAsara 122, Jerusalem 97876, Israel.

Also recently returned was one from Dan Johannsen in Stockholm,if any of you can
help I'd really appreciate it.

------------------------------------------
Penny Groom                :(
                           :)
penny@sector.demon.co.uk





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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 05:43:57 -0300
From: Lee Cotton <gbwflg75@ibmmail.com>
Subject: Nice Paper

Greetings, Origami fiends.  Can any UK folk tell me where's the best place to
get posh origami paper in the London area?  You often see in books all these
wonderful models made with all kinds of patterned paper, but I can only find
plain.  Any ideas anyone?

Lee.





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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 08:17:40 -0300
From: John Smith <jon.pure@paston.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Nice Paper

At 05:43 12/09/95 -0300, you wrote:
>
>Greetings, Origami fiends.  Can any UK folk tell me where's the best place to
>get posh origami paper in the London area?  You often see in books all these
>wonderful models made with all kinds of patterned paper, but I can only find
>plain.  Any ideas anyone?
>
>Lee.
>

Hallo Lee,

Depends if you are willing to cut your own paper. If you are then try

Paper Chase,213 Tottenham Court Road

Faulkners Fine Papers 76 Southampton Row wc1 (superb Japanese papers etc.)

Strongly recommend a book on paper, 'Which Paper by Silvie Turner, published
by Estamp. ISBN 1 871831 040 0

It is superb, a real treasure of information about paper including Japanese.
The BOS has a good stock of patterned origami paper as well.
John Smith
Norwich
England
e-mail  jon.pure@paston.co.uk





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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 09:04:39 -0300
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: COET95 report

In message <9509021534.AA26811@red.paston.co.uk> you wrote:
+Hi every one. I'm John Smith , I plucked up my courage and installed
+internet and E mail, so that I could keep in touch with
+Origami news and thinking.

(Belated!) Welcome to origami-l!  Glad you could make it.

+I can confirm that my paper will be published in full with diagrams in the
+proceedings.

Excellent news!

+I was most encouraged by your kind comments on my paper. I tried to tackle
+two separate issues.

Yes, I didn't make that clear enough, I think.

+1. Where we are teaching people who are handicapped in some way, how can we
+change, modify and improve the
+process of teaching to help them to achieve the very best they possibly can?
+This entails effective communication as well as the actual folding process.
+My difficulty analysis was a first attempt to measure difficulty and to use
+this as a tool for modifying the model and/or the folding methods.

Agreed, there really are two parts here and I glossed over the 'effective
communication part.'  For those who didn't attend John's talk (or COET '95!)
he stated early on that he was focussing on "teaching" origami, in the sense
of a teacher and student(s), not in the sense of learning to fold from a book.
In looking back over my "review," I realize that I didn't make that point,
since learning from books can be considered "traditional instruction." ;-)
I recall that John talked about several different ways of communicating
effectively, but the only one I remember is having templates for each step of
the model, for tactile comparison with the folders' model.

+2. How can we select models which work even if the folding is inaccurate ? I
+have not yet succeeded in classifying and understanding the principles which
+are involved. In action models clearly the mechanisms must be tolerant and
+still work. With boxes the shapes must be reasonable. In animal folds the
+final form must be accepted as a visual symbol for that entity. I have been
+experimenting with the measurement of fold error. I hope that Tom and others
+may be able to suggest an effective analysis tool here.

I agree with most of that high level analysis.  I like processes which are
self-correcting or which otherwise hide or adjust-for errors.  In origami this
often translates into having parts of the model which later fold inside or
fold over to the "back", or which are in some other way covered by later
steps whose accuracy is decoupled from the sloppy part.  As you mentioned,
animals (and plants... Montroll's Prickly Pear Cactus is a good example)
often have a lot of freedom to accommodate personality folds or other
folder-specific 'customizations'.

I think quantifying folding error is an interesting idea, even though I'm not
entirely sure what it means, or what precisely it might measure.  Just to make
a stab in the dark, since you didn't say how you were experimenting with
measuring fold error.....  What about a system in which the individual steps
or even the folds (since steps often involve several folds, whether
simultaneous or just convenient) can be analyzed for "error tolerance".  How
much error (whatever that means!) can be tolerated at each step.  Having just
pulled it out the top of my hat, I don't know of such a metric would be
additive or not.  Then there is the issue of compensatory steps, either built
in to the folding itself, such as aligning two edges, or as adjustment in the
process, such as "fold this corner past the landmark crease about as far as
the corner from three steps ago was folded past it's landmark crease" (if that
makes any sense).

One of the interesting things about your system for measuring the difficulty
of folding models is how well it decouples the steps.  I'm not sure that level
of independence can be attained for error analysis, though it would be nice.

+I'm sorry I rated an A- for my talk. Your criticisms are entirely fair. I
+should explain that I asked for 60 minutes and found I only had 45 to make
+my presentation. I always seem to try to get too much in. I will try to cut
+out my English humour  ( if I get asked to give another talk)

I went back and forth on the rating... it wasn't an easy decision.

Please keep the humour in!

-Doug





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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 11:04:11 -0300
From: marmonk@eskimo.com (Mark Morden)
Subject: Washington D.C. sources?

Next week I will be attending a professional conference in the Washington
D.C. area.  Does anybody know of paper and/or book stores worth visiting
while I am there?  I will have a car so I can get around to any far flung
locales, if need be.

Thanks in advance.

Mark Morden == marmonk@mail.eskimo.com
--------------------------------------------------------
I believe in Christianity as I belive in the rising sun;
not because I see it but by it I see all else.
                                           C.S. Lewis





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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 12:31:06 -0300
From: Gretchen Klotz <gren@lclark.edu>
Subject: Re: Survey for Loose Ends Catalog Owners

Valerie -

Thanks for your comments!  I'll make sure to pass them on.

On Sun, 10 Sep 1995, Valerie Vann wrote:

> 4. Perhaps OUSA's Supply Center would be interested in stocking some
> of this paper, which would give them a some exposure to a lot of
> folders.

Loose Ends is already interested in that, if not doing a mailing to all
OUSA members (I know Valerie's not keen on that, and I suggest that any
who feel the same let OUSA know -- if they have a database that's worth
its salt, they'll be able to mark your name as "do not release" or
something).  I also suggested they sound OUSA out about advertising in the
newsletter, something I've not seen before, but considering the mailing I
just got from OUSA about their financial situation and reconsideration of
the services they offer, they ought to ponder now (IMNSHO)!

> 5. Depending on the size they usually carry, larger squares than 10 in
> in interesting paper ready cut is always helpful. And if its heavier
> than kami, say, but still folds well, then the solution is larger
> pieces. But the 2,3,4 in sizes mentioned in the other post as leftovers
> are often ideal for boxes and similar projects where heavier paper
> and fewer folds are required.

All of their paper is offered in 20"x30" sheets, and some of it comes in
mongo rolls (30"x400'!).  My suggestion for those of you who want >10"
pieces is to buy the larger sheets and custom cut it.

- Gretchen, still waiting for other responses





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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 16:59:32 -0300
From: CM2018@aol.com
Subject: Re: Nice Paper

Usually, well, with what I've seen, They use wrapping paper.





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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 22:18:49 -0300
From: Folderbuck@aol.com
Subject: Re: Washington D.C. sources?

Dear Mark,
       The places you need to hit are the following:
1.   Borders Books, D.C.  on L street near 18th or in Rockville at the White
Flint shopping Mall in Rockville (off Rockville Pike)  Both stores have an
outstanding collection of Origami books. IMHO, D.C. slightly better than
Rockville.
2.    Ginza, Connecticut Avenue, D.C. a Japanese gift shop with a dwindling
supply of Origami books but a growing selection of prepackaged Origami papers
and large sheets of beautifully printed Washi.
3.    Pearl Paint, Rockville on Rockville Pike about 3 miles north of White
Flint Mall. Some prepackaged Origami paper but a wide selection of exotic
papers - marbleized, washi, diaphanous patterned papers perfect for
baccoating, watercolor and charcoal papers for wet folding and any other
kinds of supplies you might want for decorating paper e.g. watercolors,
markers, etc. A great art supply/arts and craft store.
4.    Visual Systems, a few blocks away from Borders D.C. has interesting
single sheets of wrapping papers, many with animal prints on recycled paper,
as mentioned in the Loose Ends catalog.
If you are here on Saturday, 2 to 4p.m. come vist some of the Capital Folders
at the Sasakawa Peace Foundation (across the Street from Borders, D.C., as we
teach beginners and more advanced folders.
Call if you need further instructions - my number is in the newsletter.

Steve Buck

(Marcia, Did I miss anything ?????)





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Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 01:28:41 -0300
From: Jack.Thomas.Weres@att.com
Subject: origami haiku

fellow folders of paper,,,

i've been going through my electronic directories
and doing some "fall cleaning"

i came across the following origami cinquain that i wrote back in 1992
when i was more active on the rec.arts.poems newsgroup

a cinquain is a poetry structure like a haiku is a poetry structure;
a cinquain is 5 lines with the following syllabic form
        2 syllables -- 1st line
        4 syllables -- 2nd line
        6 syllables -- 3rd line
        8 syllables -- 4th line
        2 syllables -- 5th line

---
        origami bird
        ------------

        paper
        begins as square;
        manipulating hands
        align, fold, crease, open, flatten

        blue crane

                        Copyright 1992  Jack Thomas Weres
                        All Rights Reserved.  Personal use copies okay.
---

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     s  ========     s          -=-=-=-=-    jack thomas weres   -=-=-=-=-
      a               c           -=-=-=-                        -=-=-=-
       l               o            -=-=- jtweres@psp.ih.att.com -=-=-
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Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 04:24:24 -0300
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Paul Jackson's book

Its precisely because Jackson's book is eclectic that I find it
inspiring (beyond of course the temptation to reverse engineer
things that are just pictured...). Origami mixed with papermaking,
papermache, etc. has lots of exciting possiblilities, even if the
purists wouldn't consider it origami anymore. But if you think
about it, wet folding and paper mache use some of the same paper
characteristics, and decorating your own paper can borrow from
all sorts of other media; and sometimes cutting <GASP> makes a
better sculpture.
--valerie





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Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 12:14:28 -0300
From: Yusri Johan <gs01yyj@panther.Gsu.EDU>
Subject: (fwd) Re: Fine Art Paper Sources

Here is another paper source that I found in the
misc.industry.pulp-and-paper.  I though some of you would like to know
about this.

common@lagally.engr.wisc.edu (common) wrote:

>>      I'm trying to help my wife find sources of fine art paper/home-made
>> paper/lace paper/etc.  Any pointers?

> There is a mail order source for retail decorative papers (as well as
> other items such as rubber stamps, commercial papers, etc). The
> catalog is $2.50 ($4.00 for Canada):
> The Herbarium
> PO Box 246836
> Sacramento, CA 95824

There is also another supply mail order company which carries origami
paper and books.  I have put it in the paper source page in my origami
page.  This company is located in Canada.

Tschus, Ciao, later,
--
Yusri Johan (gs01yyj@panther.gsu.edu)
Georgia State University
http://www2.gsu.edu/~gs01yyj/
Origami Page: http://www2.gsu.edu/~gs01yyj/origami/origami.html





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Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 14:47:05 -0300
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Fascinating Folds contact info?

I just tried to contact "Fascinating Folds" from the info in Yusri Johan's
paper sources www page, and the phone number there is answered by the
"You have reached a number no longer in service" message.  Has anyone dealt
with or spoken to this place recently?  The information was originally
posted here by Dee Lynch.
Thanks!
        -Doug





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Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 16:06:08 -0300
From: casida@ere.umontreal.ca (Casida Mark)
Subject: Re: Paul Jackson's book

Jackson's book helps to open my eyes a bit to the importance of
the finished product.  Here origami is just one technique to the
making of elegant creations out of paper.  Each technique contributes
its own artistic value and has its own rigorous demands.  In the
case of folding (origami or not), a certain precision and basic
knowledge of geometry helps immensely.  If you like it enough,
then you become a purist (which is basically what I am) and
the game of making the most out of a constrained system (a simple
square piece of paper) becomes very important.  But Jackson's book
is neat because it says (well) you don't have to be a purist
everyday and cutting <GASP> can be OK too.  (I like the popups!)

              So long,
                         ... Mark

>
> Its precisely because Jackson's book is eclectic that I find it
> inspiring (beyond of course the temptation to reverse engineer
> things that are just pictured...). Origami mixed with papermaking,
> papermache, etc. has lots of exciting possiblilities, even if the
> purists wouldn't consider it origami anymore. But if you think
> about it, wet folding and paper mache use some of the same paper
> characteristics, and decorating your own paper can borrow from
> all sorts of other media; and sometimes cutting <GASP> makes a
> better sculpture.
> --valerie
>
>

--
*-------------------------------------------------------*
|          Mark E. Casida                               |
|          e-mail: casida@chimcn.umontreal.ca           |





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Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 16:51:58 -0300
From: CM2018@aol.com
Subject: Re: Survey for Loose Ends Catalog Owners

How exactly do you get the loose ends catalog?





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Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 21:57:27 -0300
From: Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>
Subject: Re: Fascinating Folds contact info?

On Wed, 13 Sep 1995, Doug Philips wrote:

> I just tried to contact "Fascinating Folds" from the info in Yusri Johan's
> paper sources www page, and the phone number there is answered by the
> "You have reached a number no longer in service" message.  Has anyone dealt
> with or spoken to this place recently?  The information was originally
> posted here by Dee Lynch.

I was contacted by them recently about help in setting up a homepage.
I've sent them e-mail asking for updated contact info and I'll post it
here when I get it.

Joseph Wu      <jwu@cs.ubc.ca> | Witty quote is now back to the
Master's Student               |   drawing board due to squeamish
University of British Columbia |   readers. Any suggestions?
WWW: http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/jwu/origami.html (Origami Page)





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Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 22:07:54 -0300
From: Gretchen Klotz <gren@lclark.edu>
Subject: Loose Ends Address

On Wed, 13 Sep 1995 CM2018@aol.com wrote:

> How exactly do you get the loose ends catalog?

>From my first post about them:

So here's the scoop.  The catalog costs $4 US (you get a certificate for
$5 off a $30 minimum order within 60 days) and can be ordered from:

        Loose Ends
        PO Box 20310
        Keizer, OR  97307

They do accept foreign orders (credit card only), but I don't know how
you'd get a catalog.  Their phone is (503) 393-2348, and fax is (503)
390-4724.

Please tell them you heard about here, or mention my name.

- Gretchen





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Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 22:08:45 -0300
From: PenneyA@aol.com
Subject: Re: Nice Paper

I have found that wallpaper samples that are no longer used at the stores,
makes some great origami boxes.  I don't know how small you can work with it,
but I have made origami wallpaper boxes to match the wall paper of rooms for
my friends
                                                                     Penney





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Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 22:42:42 -0300
From: David Okey Cummings <CUMMIND1@mail.firn.edu>
Subject: RE: Loose Ends Address

To Gretchen :-) for Christopher Cummings and his father David Cummings





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Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 22:45:38 -0300
From: David Okey Cummings <CUMMIND1@mail.firn.edu>
Subject: Re: Nice Paper

Thank You :-) David and David Jr. Cummings





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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 05:09:23 -0300
From: DBSH47B@prodigy.com (MRS. JANET J HAMILTON)
Subject: Re: Loose Ends Catalog

-- [ From: Janet Hamilton * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --

> How exactly do you get the loose ends catalog?

Loose Ends
PO Box 20310
Keizer, OR  97307
Their phone is (503) 393-2348, and fax is (503) 390-4724. $4.00
for catalog - lots of papers!!

Janet Hamilton





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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 11:23:02 -0300
From: Yusri Johan <gs01yyj@panther.Gsu.EDU>
Subject: Fascinating folds ph#

OK. Folks,
Here are the phone number and fax number of Fascinating Folds:

Fascinating Folds
(tel) 310/378-0076
(fax)  310/378-0647

Please keep in mind that this company is located in Canada.  Check the
time before calling :).

Have fun.
Yusri





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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 11:29:03 -0300
From: Yusri Johan <gs01yyj@panther.Gsu.EDU>
Subject: correction

It's me again,
        Sorry for the mistake in my previous e-mail.  I don't know what I
was thinking when I wrote that e-mail.  Anyway, Fascinating Folds is
located in California.

Ciao,
--
Yusri Johan (gs01yyj@panther.gsu.edu)
Georgia State University
http://www2.gsu.edu/~gs01yyj/
Origami Page: http://www2.gsu.edu/~gs01yyj/origami/origami.html





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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 11:38:47 -0300
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: Convention Exhibition

A long time ago, in a message far far away, V'Ann wrote:

+About the Exhibition of Origami Models at the Origami USA Convention, 1995
+
+I will comment on a few general ideas and perhaps other people will share thei
+r observations about the exhibition. My pictures just came back and I see ther
+e were models in the pictures that I sort of missed. I'd like to find out what
+ other people noticed.
+
+My favorites:  Robert Lang's Chameleon, Michael La Fosse's Soft Shell Turtle,
+Joseph Wu's Orchids, Matt Harnick's Lillie Pads and Fish Sculpture, Mr. Yoshiz
+aw's Ram's Head.

Gosh, I seem to have missed all those, except for the Chameleon. ;-)

+to the bottom of the sole. Then there was Mark Kennedy's mask series of 35 som
+e personalities including the 'invisible Man'.

I really liked this display!

I agree with the rest of your comments.

My biggest observation on the exhibition is:    WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

let me say that again:                  WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks to V'Ann for organizing it and getting everyone set up.  As one of the
setters up (for the Pittsburgh group's table), things seemed very smooth.
Thanks V'Ann!

There was soooooo much to see and take in that I was overwhelmed!
I am sure I missed seeing a display or two, and have probably forgotten
several that I did see!

[When I can remember names at all, it is usually the name of the person doing
 the display.  Many original models appeared, and many models by other
 creators were folded.  The names below are of the folder.  The creator of the
 models may or may not be obvious or known to me.]

I remember the shelves next to the elevator, though I have forgotten who
folded the models on them.  The shelves themselves being origami was
interesting, though not obvious, which is as it should be.

Two catagories of things caught my eye and stay in mind even now:
Geometric stuff:
        Tom Hull, Chris Palmer, Jeremy Shafer, with the wicked
            tesselations and such.
        Michael Naughton and his great progression of cubish stuff (Sorry
            I just can't remember the real name), and the interlocking
            skeletal squares.  He also had some business card thingies, but
            I never made it back to look at them in detail.
        Jeannine Mosley's business card polyhedra.
        Janet Yelle's prismatic star sequence.
Diorama stuff:
        ???'s underwater scene - this was built from what looked like a
            Fus`e grid of graduated color units that suggested the change in
            color of the sea water and various depths, and attached and
            intermingled with that were various fish and other sea
            creatures.  Without the photo I can't recall the specific
            critters, but I was wowed by the concept and presentation.
        ???'s Happy Good Luck bat display - Michael LaFosse's bats are
            great in and of themselves, but the display was even better.
            Was this Michael's display, I can't remember?!
            Perhaps 5 bats total, a wooden frame from which a few of them
            hung sleeping, the posture and position of the others I have
            forgotten.
        Mark Kirschenbaum's musicians...  Not an orchestral layout, but
            the thematic tie in was great.
        ????'s hanging "fish" mobile.  A large fish (from units if I
            remember right) with smaller fish and other objects.
        Mark Kantrowitz's arctic/penguin diorama (this was on the
            Origami Club of Pittsburgh table).
        Jospeh Wu's models, even though his exhibit didn't have any other
            underlying theme than "I created these models" (if it did
            have a theme, I didn't get it, sorry!!)

I fear that by mentioning these I have put down the ones not mentioned.  That
is neither true nor intended.  I didn't see anything there that I didn't like.

My biggest personal surprise was in how much I liked the diorama/theme
effect.  I mentioned above the ones that most caught my eye and stuck in my
memory.  I didn't go in to the convention with any opinion either way, that
I am aware of, about diorama/themes, so I was quite surprised to find how
much I enjoyed them.  Then I noticed, that despite excellent quality
individual models, I didn't enjoy the other displays quite as much.  The
geometric displays had a freebie underlying theme of pattern and geometry,
which only made Michael Naughton's series of cubish stuff even nicer,
because of the deliberate progression!  Janet Yelle's Prismatic Star sequence
got the same double benefit.

Well, that is my Buck Two Fifty!

-Doug  "Oh, why does time fly so much faster as I get older, yet the next
convention is still so very far into the future??" Philips





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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 11:58:17 -0300
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: WWW pages moved.

My home page is still at:
    http://www.transarc.com/afs/transarc.com/public/dwp/html/Home.html
But my Fun page has moved, it is now:
    http://www.pgh.net/~dwp/
My Origami page has also moved, it is now:
    http://www.pgh.net/~dwp/Origami.html

-Doug "And now back to your regularly scheduled origami discussion" Philips





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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 15:40:21 -0300
From: Grace.Chiu@Cognos.COM (Chiu, Grace)
Subject: Re: Convention Exhibition

I have a photo from the Convention of a gold peacock with a
ziggy-zag-pleated tail.
The designer and folder escaped me.  Did YOU do it?  Or can you recall who
did it?

Thanks,

Grace





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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 17:39:36 -0300
From: Yusri Johan <gs01yyj@panther.Gsu.EDU>
Subject: Pulp and Paper

Hi,
For those who are interested in papermaking and pulp industry.  The
Technical Association of the Pulp and Paper Industry has a web page.  The
information covered including newsletter, about tappi, exhibition, etc.
The URL for it is http://www.tappi.org/

Have fun,
Yusri





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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 17:56:58 -0300
From: David Okey Cummings <CUMMIND1@mail.firn.edu>
Subject: Re: Loose Ends Address

Please give us some names around Palatka, Florida that we could contact to
practice your craft. :-). My son knows how to make some things you might be
interested in. Palatka is below Jacksonville, Florida; east of Gainesville,
Fla; West of St. Augustine and north of Orlando.  Send out our e-mail
address on your next newsletter. That would contact people. :-) David and
David Jr. Cummings. David Christoper Jr. wants give you instructions to m-
ake some things. :-)





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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 20:38:13 -0300
From: Jack.Thomas.Weres@att.com
Subject: BARF & jeremy shafer

fellow folders,,,

is jeremy shafer on this list or does anyone know him???
i was just wondering when i would receive the BARF summer newsletter
that had the Starship Enterprise diagrams???

i vaguely remember some email that he was summer teaching???
i sent him the money back in late-july and now it's mid-september

can anybody help me out???

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    s      ||       o         -=-=-=-=-=-                        -=-=-=-=-=-
     s  ========     s          -=-=-=-=-    jack thomas weres   -=-=-=-=-
      a               c           -=-=-=-                        -=-=-=-
       l               o            -=-=- jtweres@psp.ih.att.com -=-=-
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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 22:46:51 -0300
From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@dorsai.dorsai.org>
Subject: Re: BARF & jeremy shafer

>
> is jeremy shafer on this list or does anyone know him???
> i was just wondering when i would receive the BARF summer newsletter
> that had the Starship Enterprise diagrams???
>
> i vaguely remember some email that he was summer teaching???
> i sent him the money back in late-july and now it's mid-september
>
> can anybody help me out???
Well, if he's on the list he should see your message.
Here is a cute command that you can send the listserv.

Address your message to: listserv@nstn.ns.ca
In the body of your message type: review origami-l
You do not need a subject.

The above message should result in your being sent a list of everyone on
this list and their email address if it is listed.

--
Sheldon Ackerman.......http://www.dorsai.org/~ackerman/
ackerman@dorsai.dorsai.org
sheldon.ackerman@nycps.nycenet.edu





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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 22:59:19 -0300
From: Penny <Penny@sector.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Re: Convention Exhibition

>
> -Doug  "Oh, why does time fly so much faster as I get older, yet the next
> convention is still so very far into the future??" Philips
>
There is a remedy,come to the BOS conventions, conveniently spaced either side
the OUSA convention AND TWICE A YEAR.
Unless you book Concorde pretty quick you are too late for this one, but there
is another in March in Nottingham., home of Robin Hood & Torvill & Dean!( and
Robin Macey, photographer extraordinaire)

------------------------------------------
Penny Groom                :(  Theatrical
                           :)  humour
penny@sector.demon.co.uk





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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 23:04:55 -0300
From: ACPQUINN@myriad.middlebury.edu
Subject: RE: BARF & jeremy shafer

Funny, I received that newsletter a long time ago, and I gave him money at the
Convention.  He's off the net (as I understand) for a bit but will be back
soon... I'd just write to him and ask for the mag.

Alasdair
acpquinn@myriad.middlebury.edu





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Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 09:37:01 -0300
From: Pruess Family <AB10TP3412.cin@desnews.com>
Subject: Re: Last Waltz

>Once again I extend an offer out to the folding masses:
>I have the Last Waltz diagrams in order and foldable this time; all >those
>who received incorrect diagrams need only to send me their >snail-mail
addresses
>by e-mail and I will send along the correct diagrams. The offer is still
>open,
>however, to those who missed it the first time, to send me a SASE >and $1.00
>to cover copy costs (get my address by sending me an e-mail) with a >request
for
>the Last Waltz.
>
>may the peace of paper be with you,
>Alasdair
>acpquinn@myriad.middlebury.edu
>
     Sounds interesting, but what is the Last Waltz?
     Thanks!  :-)

++++++++++     BYU
John Pruess
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Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 09:40:47 -0300
From: William Anstine <cptcobel@yrkpa.kias.COM>
Subject: Re: Convention Exhibition

You wouldn't happen to know which model the black vase with flowers
(tulips, I think) that had the white lizards crawling on it was, would
you?  It was on the right just out of the elevator at Convention..

Rob





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Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 09:41:34 -0300
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: Convention Timing

Penny Groom wrote:
+Doug Philips wrote:
+> -Doug  "Oh, why does time fly so much faster as I get older, yet the next
+> convention is still so very far into the future??" Philips
+>
+There is a remedy,come to the BOS conventions, conveniently spaced either
+side the OUSA convention AND TWICE A YEAR.  Unless you book Concorde pretty
+quick you are too late for this one, but there is another in March in
+Nottingham., home of Robin Hood & Torvill & Dean!( and Robin Macey,
+photographer extraordinaire)

That is very enticing.  I suspect too expensive though.  Has anyone on this
list gone to a BOS convention recently _and_ paid their own way?  How expense
was it really?  I imagine the convention fee is the smallest of the expenses!

Wow, now I really have to get a passport, just in case!

-Doug





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Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 13:06:43 -0300
From: ACPQUINN@myriad.middlebury.edu
Subject: Re: Last Waltz

The Last Waltz is -- for those who missed it at the convention -- a model by
Neal Elias of two ballroom dancers dancing, out of one 1x3 sheet.  The book
it is diagrammed in is now out of print and I am helping to spread it around.
A very nice model, I think, and worthy of the effort and small amount of cash
I ask for a copy.

Alasdair
acpquinn@myriad.middlebury.edu





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Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 16:11:02 -0300
From: JOHN HASENMYER <95231@tayloru.edu>
Subject: Re: Last Waltz

What is the price you're asking?  I may be interested....

95231@tayloru.edu





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Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 18:29:09 -0300
From: contract@pipeline.com (Contractors Exchange)
Subject: Re: Convention Exhibition

On Sep 15, 1995 09:40:47, 'William Anstine <cptcobel@yrkpa.kias.com>'
wrote:

>You wouldn't happen to know which model the black vase with flowers
>(tulips, I think) that had the white lizards crawling on it was, would
>you?  It was on the right just out of the elevator at Convention..

That display was done by Aldo Puntignano. I believe that the vase is
origainal, the tulips are traditional, and the lizards are by Max Hulme.
Aldo is not on-line to correct me on this, but perhaps the other convention
atendees on this list could correct me if I am wrong. Aldo also did the
flower arrangement that was in a hanging frame (perhaps the most original
display there).

Marc





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Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 23:34:47 -0300
From: David Okey Cummings <CUMMIND1@mail.firn.edu>
Subject: Re: Convention Exhibition

I'm Christopher I've been interested in origami all my life.
I know how to make a few things myself such as
boats,planes,speedboat,fortune tellers ,hats ,poppers,chinese poppers,
buildings,i'm ten years old. we got one local contact from your a-
nnouncement of us. They.re too far away. please announce us again.:-)





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Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 00:27:02 -0300
From: David Okey Cummings <CUMMIND1@mail.firn.edu>
Subject: Re: Last Waltz

        We would like a copy of these diagrams. David and David Christopehr
Cummings, 111 Oakdale Drive, Palatka Florida. Send yoru address and I'll
send you the proper SASe





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Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 14:23:47 -0300
From: chall@scsn.net (Carol Hall)
Subject: maple leaf

I've been wanting to find a nice, accurate model of a maple leaf.

On page 43 of the Summer 1994 issue of ORU (the only issue I have) there is
a photo of a wonderful one.  But this page appears to be an advertisement
for paper.  There is no diagram.

Does anyone know of a diagram for a maple leaf?

Carol Hall





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Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 20:52:32 -0300
From: ACPQUINN@myriad.middlebury.edu
Subject: Re: Last Waltz

The price is a simple $1.00 for xerox copies of the diagrams; if you're
interested, the address is:
Alasdair Post-Quinn
22 Chipman Park
Middlebury, VT 05753
Please send a SASE and $1.00 for copy costs as well as a note referring to
the Last Waltz.
Thanks,
Alasdair
acpquinn@myriad.middlebury.edu





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Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 21:03:13 -0300
From: ACPQUINN@myriad.middlebury.edu
Subject: Re: Last Waltz

David(s)-
the address is:
Alasdair Post-Quinn
22 Chipman Park
Middlebury, VT 05753
Please send a SASE and $1.00 to cover copy costs as well as a note referring
to the Last Waltz.
Thanks,
Alasdair
acpquinn@myriad.middlebury.edu
