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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 03:08:41 -0300
From: LEMIEUXJ@aspen.uml.edu
Subject: Re: mountains

Robert Lang wrote:

 > Finally, my five-year old son Peter makes an excellent rendition of a
 > volcano, instructions reproduced below:
 >
 > 1) Fold the paper in half diagonally, white inside.
 > 2) Fold down one corner on each side.

  With a few more steps and a single cut, you could have Rising Mt. Fuji.
While not in the category of a great table centerpiece, it would appeal
greatly to a five-year old.

         See: Kobayashi, Kazuo & Makoto Yamaguchi. "Origami for Parties".
                Kodansha International 1987. ISBN 0-87011-797-1.

     Page 28: "This fascinating trick relies on the friction
               of the paper to make Mt. Fuji rise from within
               It is also known as the Climbing Monkey."

Fold away

Bob
lemieuxj@woods.uml.edu





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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 06:24:58 -0300
From: Nick Robinson <Nick@tritec.demon.co.uk>
Subject: mountain design..

Here's a starter.

Take a square, white up, rotated so a corner faces you.

Fold the nearest corner to a point just to the left of the opposite
corner and slightly higher. The mountain crease forms the base of the
"mountain" :) adjust the peaks to taste.

On the right there is a point where the raw edges cross. Create a valley
from that point to the folded edge at about 10 degrees towards the raw
edges. The original right-hand corner of the square will lie along the lower
folded edge and a small triangular section will stick out below. The side of the
"mountain" now has a slight kink in it, getting steeper.

Create a matching mountain fold on the other side, the same angle, starting
where the raw edges meet, but it's a bit nearer the corner. The same lower
location mark applies and another triangular area will show. Valley fold
the parts of these flaps that lie below the base of the "mountain" at 90
degrees. Open the larger flaps slightly to form legs/stands with small
triangular feet. Stand it on these feet. To my eyes, it works either way
round, with the feet forming extra features to the lower faces of the
peaks, or simply functioning (Joseph?:) as feet.

Done. A matter of taste *obviously* but I like it. One peak will be a
different colour to the other, so I suggest the same colour on both sides.
(is there a phrase for this - mono-coloured? same-sides-colour?
not-bi-coloured?)

Let me know if this makes sense. OH for listservers with pictures. Would
anyone object if I UUencoded a gif of it & included it in the mailserver?
Is that allowed or would it open up space/size problems - I'd keep it tiny
but you'd get the basic idea...

Nick Robinson

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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 08:43:28 -0300
From: DEWIT@rulwinw.leidenuniv.nl
Subject: Re: Ligia Montoya and Patricia Crawford

Date sent:      Thu, 27 Jul 1995 09:15:32 -0300
Send reply to:  origami-l@nstn.ca
From:           Richard Kennedy <KENNEDRA@ibm3090.bham.ac.uk>
Subject:        Re: Ligia Montoya and Patricia Crawford

The following Montoya and Crawford models can be found in Harbin's
Origami 1 (AKA Teach yourself origami), Origami 2, Origami 3 and
Origami 4:

My source at BOS supplies thinks that there are still some copies of
the Dutch version of Harbin's "Origami a Step-by-step Guide" in the
BOS vault. This book has many wonderful creations by P. Crawford.

Like, I promised before, I checked the catalog of the Dutch Origami
Society (OSN).
Theonly book they have by R. Harbin is 'Teach yourself origami'.
Price HFl 31,95 (price is in Dutch guilders, I donot know anything
about mailing costs)

Address: OSN
         P.O. box 35
         9989 ZG Warffum
         Netherlands
         Phone: (0)5950 - 4311
         Fax: (0)5950- 3188
This are the local numbers without international code. These numbers
might chance in the beginning of October.

Besides that, there lots of books by Dutch authors, further they sell
books in English/Japanese and a few in other languages.

I donot know most of the books.

Engelien de Wit





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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 10:12:08 -0300
From: Rjlang@aol.com
Subject: Re: mountains

> However my question is subtler (I think).  Suppose you want to fold
> something which sitting centrally on an otherwise empty coffee table
> will be immediately recognised as a mountain (and not a cone or pyramid)?

I'd like to see more than that: how about a mountain fold that is
recognizable as a PARTICULAR mountain, such as the Matterhorn, K2, or Mount
St. Helens (of course, you might have to update this one every few years).

On a related note, for those of you who saw my Rock Climber in the convention
program two years ago; since the climber can be made any size compared to the
paper he's on, I originally had the goal of folding a series of climbers on
famous rock climbs of the world (Shockley's Ceiling at the 'Gunks, the Nose
on El Cap, Boulder 1 at Stoney Point, etc.,), but I couldn't find the right
paper big enough <g>.

Robert





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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 10:16:09 -0300
From: Rjlang@aol.com
Subject: Re: Origin of Pureland

>  What's the origin of the term "Pureland"?

"Pureland" origami is a term coined by John Smith of England and it describes
origami that can be made solely with mountain and valley folds. So, for
example, a crane base is not Pureland. John has at least one BOS booklet
named, appropriately, "Pureland Origami," composed solely of such models.

Robert Lang





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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 10:20:11 -0300
From: Rjlang@aol.com
Subject: Re: glossy mags, art etc.

> Right now, I don't even have any large size
> origami paper, which is particularly sad because I just got Lang's new
> book!  8-(

Don't let that hold you back, Jerry. Try folding them from small paper --
it's good exercise! The models in the introduction were folded from paper
ranging from 1 to 3 cm on a side.

Robert





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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 10:59:57 -0300
From: Bateman "A." "G." <agb@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Origin of Pureland

>
>>  What's the origin of the term "Pureland"?
>
>"Pureland" origami is a term coined by John Smith of England and it describes
>origami that can be made solely with mountain and valley folds. So, for
>example, a crane base is not Pureland. John has at least one BOS booklet
>named, appropriately, "Pureland Origami," composed solely of such models.
>
>Robert Lang
>
>Hi Robert,
           The crane base can be made in a pureland manner, i.e no
reverse folds. John Smith shows a method in one of his BOS
books, however the method allows one to rearrange the ordering of
layers, which is a bit dubious.

Alex
Bateman





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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 11:12:50 -0300
From: casida@ere.umontreal.ca (Casida Mark)
Subject: Re: craft

Kim Best wrote :

> It is ART because folding it takes you on a journey that disiplines the
> fingers and mind, yet takes unexpected turns that delight the spirit and
> enrich the soul.

I can't resist chiming in on a favorite theme of mine.  Origami for me
is the folding process.  By that I mean the finished model alone just
doesn't convey the true spirit of origami.  That true spirit is how it
was folded!  That's where the magic comes in and (excuse my use of the
word) the "art," as we dance (or fight) our way through the beguiling
challenge of constraints posed by a simple square piece of paper
seeking to understand how the final form will emerge.

                           ciao!
                            ... Mark
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|          e-mail: casida@chimcn.umontreal.ca           |





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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 11:15:15 -0300
From: Jeannine Mosely <j9@concentra.com>
Subject: RE: Contact for PINE ?

    > I was just wondering if there was an origami center in the Boston area.

      Boston : Paperfolders in New England (PINE)
               Joyce Rockmore (617)444-4059

     This is the only group I know of in the Boston area.

   Good Luck

   Bob

   J. Robert A. Lemieux
   lemieuxj@woods.uml.edu

Unfortunately, Joyce Rockmore died of a heart attack last December, so
this number is no longer valid.  I do not know who the contact for
PINE is now.  Does anyone else?  Also, if any of you are maintaining a
database of paperfolding groups, this information needs to be updated.

        -- jeannine mosely (j9@concentra.com)





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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 11:56:19 -0300
From: casida@ere.umontreal.ca (Casida Mark)
Subject: Re: Mountains, Zen etc.

Nick Robinson wrote :

> For me, this is the essence of origami. A butterfly (for example) has a
> simplicity of form which doesn't need the antennae, legs etc. Those that have
> are invariably ugly to my eyes.

and some other interesting things.  I just want to say that I entirely
agree.

On a related note, I am a big fan of Ansel Adams photos.  Ansel Adams is
known as a realist nature photographer.  However in reading his
3 volume series on photography, I finally understood something important
about his photography, namely that his photos _never_ give a realistic
representation of the objects whose photo was taken.  That isn't even
the intent.  _But_ in his style of art ("F64 Club"), it is important that
the photo appear sharp and literal even though it is not and was never
intended to be a literal image.

On a Zen level, I think origami should strive to capture that special
essence of the object being modeled.  This can be at a simple level or
at a complex level, agreed, but it should (I think) appear natural and
not strained.

                                   ... Mark

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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 12:20:10 -0300
From: A004773%LBVM1.profs@lbgwy.mdc.com
Subject: NO SUBJECT

 We'll have to develop Fractal Origami in order to get realistic
 mountains.  The trouble with Fractal Origami would be deciding when
 your fold is finished...

 John Andrisan
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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 12:24:25 -0300
From: jdharris@lust.isem.smu.edu (Jerry D. Harris)
Subject: Re: glossy mags, art etc.

At 10:23 AM 8/2/95, Rjlang@aol.com wrote:
>> Right now, I don't even have any large size
>> origami paper, which is particularly sad because I just got Lang's new
>> book!  8-(
>
>Don't let that hold you back, Jerry. Try folding them from small paper --
>it's good exercise! The models in the introduction were folded from paper
>ranging from 1 to 3 cm on a side.

Hi Robert! -

        Actually, I already have.  I had a couple sheets of 13" paper,
which I used to try out the truly complex models (that I had already seen
elsewhere), including the "Samurai Helmet Beetle," where I had to leave it
at those peculiar corner sinks on the body until I have more time!  8-)

        But I have a fair supply of 7" paper, and I've been using that for
some of the other ones, like the "Pine Sawyer" and the "Tarantula."
(Thankfully your origami spiders are not exquisitely realistic, because I
could never hold it in my hands long enough to fold it!  ;-)  )  As always,
I really admire your techniuqes -- the bases you invent for these models
are perpetually ingenius.  I would like to inquire, if I may:  how exactly
do you create?  I know you've been using some of the quasi-mathematical
formulae of late, as outlined in recent messages, but...when I create (with
what little time I devote to it), I try and picture the finished
animal/model, observe the distribution of and number of points, and then
say "OK, to get those points there, I can use this method, and those points
there from that method..." and then try to find a base that can put points
where I need them.  I have invented a few bases that are not standard, but
none nearly as complex as yours.  For example, for my recent
_Tyrannosaurus_ and _Iguanodon_ models, I had to invent a six-pointed bird
base, which is actually so easy to make and so functional that I'm
surprised no one else ever did it!  For my _Triceratops_, I noticed that
everyone else's similar models (that I've seen, which isn't a lot) forced
the multi-pointed head to  result from the center of the paper.  I found a
much easier way to get it from a corner and adjacent edges.

        But then again, I've not really tackled many very multi-pointed
models, like insects, and whenever I think about it, I get a headache.  ;-)
That's partly why I enjoy your models so very much, because, as a creator,
I find the process you must have gone through mentally to invent the thing
just as, if not more so than, incredible the models themselves!

Jerry D. Harris
Schuler Museum of Paleontology
Southern Methodist University
jdharris@lust.isem.smu.edu
        (Compuserve:  73132,3372)

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Humorous Quote Is Forthcoming...

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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 13:12:01 -0300
From: casida@ere.umontreal.ca (Casida Mark)
Subject: Re: fractal origami

Ohhhhhhhhhh!  From the intro to Peter Engels' Zen and Origami book,
you would think that the fractal concept has a lot to do with the design
of origami.  Cool thought.
                                    ... Mark
>
>
>  We'll have to develop Fractal Origami in order to get realistic
>  mountains.  The trouble with Fractal Origami would be deciding when
>  your fold is finished...
>
>  John Andrisan
>  IBMMAIL: USMCDQND   Internet: a004773%lbvm1.profs@mdcgwy.mdc.com
>

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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 13:43:50 -0300
From: REEDS@zodiac.rutgers.edu
Subject: email vs usergroup

When I mentioned this discussion to my husband, his reaction
was: Ah, they want to keep it in the fold.

My own vote, as wholly inexperienced user of usergroups with
only limited access to them, is email.
Karen
KAREN REEDS, Science Editor
Rutgers University Press
109 Church Street
New Brunswick NJ 08901
908-932-8174, 7782 FAX-7039
reeds@zodiac.rutgers.edu





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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 13:52:36 -0300
From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@dorsai.dorsai.org>
Subject: raccoon

OK! Three days, and one aborted critter, later, I have me a raccoon! It's
really not a difficult model to fold, but one does have to be somewhat exact
on those initial precreases. I still have the moose to fold and then I will
be done with the models in the North American Animals in Origami! I have
already folded the deer so hopefully the moose will not be too difficult as
it looks similar.

The model that seems to be the most difficult for me is the bobcat. I had to
fudge a bit on the model I completed. It does look the way the model in the
book does but I had to do some of my own manipulations to get the head
shaped properly.

Great book, John!
--
Sheldon Ackerman
ackerman@dorsai.dorsai.org
sheldon.ackerman@nycps.nycenet.edu





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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 14:15:10 -0300
From: Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>
Subject: Re: glossy mags, art etc.

On Wed, 2 Aug 1995, Jerry D. Harris wrote:

> none nearly as complex as yours.  For example, for my recent
> _Tyrannosaurus_ and _Iguanodon_ models, I had to invent a six-pointed bird
> base, which is actually so easy to make and so functional that I'm
> surprised no one else ever did it!  For my _Triceratops_, I noticed that

Ah, but Jerry, people already have invented 6-pointed bird bases before. In
fact, Jay Nolan has created 5-, 6-, 7-, and 8-pointed bird bases. And I've
independently come up with the 6-pointed version myself.

Joseph Wu      <jwu@cs.ubc.ca> | Witty quote is now back to the
Master's Student               |   drawing board due to squeamish
University of British Columbia |   readers. Any suggestions?
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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 14:21:26 -0300
From: Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>
Subject: Re: Fractal Origami

On Wed, 2 Aug 1995 A004773%LBVM1.profs@lbgwy.mdc.com wrote:

>
>  We'll have to develop Fractal Origami in order to get realistic
>  mountains.  The trouble with Fractal Origami would be deciding when
>  your fold is finished...

What, pray tell, does fractal have to do with realistic? Fractals are a
mathematical construct. They are useful in modelling things in the real
world. but nothing in the real world is truly fractal. Incorporating
fractal ideas into models could certainly help with design, but to claim
that this is the way to make things (e.g. mountains) realistic is a
fallacious statement. (For the record, my supervisor is one of the leading
researchers in the use of fractals in creating realistic computer graphics
imagery.)

Joseph Wu      <jwu@cs.ubc.ca> | Witty quote is now back to the
Master's Student               |   drawing board due to squeamish
University of British Columbia |   readers. Any suggestions?
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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 15:05:19 -0300
From: jdharris@lust.isem.smu.edu (Jerry D. Harris)
Subject: Re: glossy mags, art etc.

>Ah, but Jerry, people already have invented 6-pointed bird bases before. In
>fact, Jay Nolan has created 5-, 6-, 7-, and 8-pointed bird bases. And I've
>independently come up with the 6-pointed version myself.

Hi Joe -

        OK...what I _should_ have said was:  "...never seen one published."
Of course, I'm so far out of publication circles in origami, that really
doesn't say much...

Jerry D. Harris
Schuler Museum of Paleontology
Southern Methodist University
jdharris@lust.isem.smu.edu
        (Compuserve:  73132,3372)

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"South American Animals and Their Lice"

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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 15:21:42 -0300
From: casida@ere.umontreal.ca (Casida Mark)
Subject: Re: Fractal Origami

"What is realistic about a model?"  Speaking as a theoretical chemist,
this is a loaded question.  Let us say that realism in modeling has
something to do with
  -> successful results
  -> consistancy with other models
  -> "common sense"
  -> (add your requirements to the list)

Fractals _are_ nice models for realistic systems.  Just think of the
finite number of elements in the periodic table and the limited (albeit
large and complicated) combination rules.  By some miracle, putting
lots of these little beasties together sometimes results in order
(instead of the usual tarry gunk on the bottom of your reaction flask).
Isn't this "law of nature" analogous to how so many fractals are made?

                                      ... Mark
Joseph Wu wrote :

> What, pray tell, does fractal have to do with realistic? Fractals are a
> mathematical construct. They are useful in modelling things in the real
> world. but nothing in the real world is truly fractal. Incorporating
> fractal ideas into models could certainly help with design, but to claim
> that this is the way to make things (e.g. mountains) realistic is a
> fallacious statement. (For the record, my supervisor is one of the leading
> researchers in the use of fractals in creating realistic computer graphics
> imagery.)

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|          Mark E. Casida                               |
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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 15:29:18 -0300
From: Richard Kennedy <KENNEDRA@ibm3090.bham.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: pureland

The following is taken from BOS Booklet 47, "ABC of Origami" an edited
selection of material written by Eric Kenneway for the BOS magazine:

Pureland Origami

Coined by J.Smith, this term describes his own development of Origami in
which the only permitted procedure is a valley fold and turning the paper
over to allow a valley fold to become a mountain fold.

This deliberate technical limitation grew out of a desire to find simple
introductory models suitable suitable for teaching to people with no
Origami experience, but soon became a self-imposed discipline by means of
which simple alternatives to complex procedures were discovered. There
are, for example, now recognised Pureland alternatives for the more usual
inside reverse fold, etc. The genre attracted some adherents aming British
folders during the late seventies.

John derived the name from the Pureland sect of Buddhism but it has no
connection with it; 'pure' refers to the concept of pure origami and its
restrictions on technique while'land' refers to the use of valley and
mountain folds only.

See also pure origami in Kenneway's "Essential Origami", where you will
find the diagrams for a pureland swan, by John Smith.

The BOS has produced 3 booklets of John Smith's pureland creations:

No. 14   Pureland origami
    29   Pureland origami 2
    43   Pureland origami 3   (gosh aren't these titles original!)

I believe that 29 and 43 are still available, I'm not sure about 14.
For ordering information, contact:

BOS Supplies,
c/o Dr. Martin Wall,
21, Kennet Close,
Grove,
Wantage,
OXFORDSHIRE  OX12 0NJ
U.K.

Regards,

Richard K.





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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 16:14:24 -0300
From: Nick Robinson <nick@tritec.demon.co.uk>
Subject: mountain diags available..

I've diagrammed my initial mountain design & still like it (always a good test!)
If anyone wants the final pix, they've been uuencoded to 2 files of 2k each - I
can netmail them on request, or indeed the whole of the diagram.

Nick Robinson

            ***** "Origami isn't just for squares!" *****
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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 11:25:26 -0300
From: Cynthia.Pettit@virtus.com (Cynthia Pettit)
Subject: Otto, the outrageous octopus -- OUSA '92

In the Annual Collection for '92, there's a model called Otto.

Has anyone else folded this?

I can fold it, but I can't fold the rabbit ear in step #11 quite as far up
as the instructions indicate.  As far as I can tell, I've folded everything
correctly -- and given that, the rabbit ear *CANNOT* be folded that high up
-- it rips.

I've looked and looked and looked and I can't see anything I did wrong,
though *all* of the *following* diagrams show it folded like this, and the
creases for the rabbit ear have all kinds of landmarks as to how high up
they're supposed to be...

BTW, if you haven't folded this and have the book, it's a real hoot to
fold!  The first instruction is, "Start with the blintzed bird base.  You
can use the fried or poached bird base if you want, but the blintzed one
works best..." and continues like that!  Almost as fun reading as folding!

Cyn

Cynthia.Pettit@virtus.com        "It's not about driving down route
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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 11:35:23 -0300
From: Cynthia.Pettit@virtus.com (Cynthia Pettit)
Subject: n-sided bird bases

Hey, Joseph, didn't you have a 9-sided bird base for your Griffen? [sp?]

Cyn





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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 11:39:37 -0300
From: "BOB T. LYNCH" <blynch@du.edu>
Subject: RE: Hello

Unfortunately, Joyce Rockmore, with PINE, has passed away. She died last spring
I believe. I don't know who has taken over PINE, someone thought Michael LaFosse
might, but I haven't heard from anyone in the group for awhile. I do know there
is at least one folder that lurks on this list that is from the Boston area...
perhaps she can help our new friend a little bit more!

Dee





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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 11:45:16 -0300
From: Douglas Zander <dzander@solaria.sol.net>
Subject: Re: Fractal Origami

> On Wed, 2 Aug 1995 A004773%LBVM1.profs@lbgwy.mdc.com wrote:
> >  We'll have to develop Fractal Origami in order to get realistic
> >  mountains.  The trouble with Fractal Origami would be deciding when
> >  your fold is finished...

  When I was experimenting with fractal origami some years ago I kept
  searching for larger and larger pieces of paper so that I
  could fold several repetitions of the same thing and not have to use
  tweezers and a magnifing glass :-)
>
> What, pray tell, does fractal have to do with realistic? Fractals are a
> mathematical construct. They are useful in modelling things in the real
> world. but nothing in the real world is truly fractal. Incorporating
> fractal ideas into models could certainly help with design, but to claim
> that this is the way to make things (e.g. mountains) realistic is a
> fallacious statement. (For the record, my supervisor is one of the leading
> researchers in the use of fractals in creating realistic computer graphics
> imagery.)

  I believe that fractals are the most efficient and fastest way to model
  some things from the 'real world'.  Just a comment on this mountain thing,
  I had read somewhere that the reason it is so hard to judge the distance
  to a faraway mountain range on the horizon is because of the mountain's
  fractal properties.  A person walking toward the mountains sees basically
  the same things (regarding roughness and jaggedness) whether he is 20
  miles away, 10 miles away, or just 5 miles away.  This may be the original
  poster's reasoning for claiming we need fractal origami for really *good*
  mountains. :-)
>
> Joseph Wu      <jwu@cs.ubc.ca> | Witty quote is now back to the
> Master's Student               |   drawing board due to squeamish
> University of British Columbia |   readers. Any suggestions?
> WWW: http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/jwu/origami.html (Origami Page)
>
>
--
 Douglas Zander          | editor of GAMES Player's Zine (GPZ)
 dzander@solaria.sol.net | an ezine for subscribers of GAMES Magazine (tm)





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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 11:52:10 -0300
From: Nick Robinson <nick@tritec.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Recognisable mountains? AAAARGH!

> I'd like to see more than that: how about a mountain fold that is
> recognizable as a PARTICULAR mountain, such as the Matterhorn, K2, or Mount
> St. Helens (of course, you might have to update this one every few years).

Wow - what a concept! They should, of course, have all the requisite mountain
goats and a little man in the middle climbing the peak. (That last is obviously
far too silly for words - don't even try it!)

Nick Robinson

            ***** "Origami isn't just for squares!" *****
          www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/jwu/Origami/BOS/nickdata.html





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Date: Thu, 03 Aug 1995 11:55:01 -0300
From: Rjlang@aol.COM
Subject: Re: spare the mod & spoil the child

> > Finally, my five-year old son Peter makes an excellent rendition of a
> > volcano, instructions reproduced below:
>
> :From stellated snowflake unit to pureland - your influence is > waning!

Yeah, but he aspires to the Sea Urchin!

Robert





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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 11:57:53 -0300
From: Rjlang@aol.com
Subject: Re: Fractal Origami

> What, pray tell, does fractal have to do with realistic? Fractals are a
> mathematical construct. They are useful in modelling things in the real
> world. but nothing in the real world is truly fractal. Incorporating
> fractal ideas into models could certainly help with design, but to claim
> that this is the way to make things (e.g. mountains) realistic is a
> fallacious statement. (For the record, my supervisor is one of the leading
> researchers in the use of fractals in creating realistic computer graphics
imagery.)

Joseph, I don't understand your objection. On the one hand, you suggest that
fractals don't have anything to do with "realistic," yet your advisor (and
presumably you) use fractals to create "realistic computer graphics imagery."
I think the rationale for using fractals in computer graphics and origami is
the same: you can use relatively simple algorithms to produce shapes that
closely resemble the natural subject. It doesn't matter whether the subject
is "truly" fractal or not -- as long as it LOOKs fractal, then fractals can
be a good stand-in.

Robert





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Date: Thu, 03 Aug 1995 12:00:47 -0300
From: Rjlang@aol.COM
Subject: Re: glossy mags, art etc.

> I would like to inquire, if I may:  how exactly
> do you create [the bases you invent for these models]?

I subscribe to the Origami Base Service, located in Schenectady, NY. For a
small monthly fee, each month they send me a new selection of origami bases,
which I peruse for model possibilities. I send back any that I don't use and
pay for the ones I keep.

(Not really.)

Since I've already talked about the mathematical concepts here recently, I
won't bore long-timers on this list with another detailed recitation.
Although I've only recently turned the concepts into mathematical algorithms,
the basic idea I've used for years is to identify the number and distribution
of points in the base, figure out how much paper to allocate for each point
based on its size and distance from other points, figure out where on the
paper each point has to come from, then figure out how to collapse the paper
into a base.

I should stress though that there are LOTS of subjects for which an analysis
in terms of points simply doesn't work very well, and it's probably in these
areas that the next generation of origami "breakthroughs" will come.
Tesselations, for example, and their related offspring (flashers, etc.) come
to mind; also two-tone models (although Origami Inside-Out has picked a lot
of the goodies out of that genre already!).

Robert





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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 12:03:17 -0300
From: MKFIRE@aol.com
Subject: Re: Hello

The contact for the Boston Origami group-Paperfolders of New England (PINE)
is Dottie Tolini,617-323-7993.  Joyce Rockmore, the founder, unfortunately
passed away last December.
Marsha





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Date: Thu, 03 Aug 1995 14:06:35 -0300
From: Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.CA>
Subject: Re: Fractal Origami

On Thu, 3 Aug 1995 Rjlang@aol.com wrote:

> Joseph, I don't understand your objection. On the one hand, you suggest that
> fractals don't have anything to do with "realistic," yet your advisor (and
> presumably you) use fractals to create "realistic computer graphics imagery."
> I think the rationale for using fractals in computer graphics and origami is
> the same: you can use relatively simple algorithms to produce shapes that
> closely resemble the natural subject. It doesn't matter whether the subject
> is "truly" fractal or not -- as long as it LOOKs fractal, then fractals can
> be a good stand-in.

My point was yet another subtle distinction. Have I been splitting too many
hairs lately? Perhaps. 8)

What I was objecting to was the immediate assumption that fractal equals
realistic. Fractals are useful for modelling the realistic, but reality is
not fractal.

Joseph Wu      <jwu@cs.ubc.ca> | Witty quote is now back to the
Master's Student               |   drawing board due to squeamish
University of British Columbia |   readers. Any suggestions?
WWW: http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/jwu/origami.html (Origami Page)





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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 14:09:10 -0300
From: Richard Kennedy <KENNEDRA@ibm3090.bham.ac.uk>
Subject: Pureland

The following is taken from BOS Booklet 47, "ABC of Origami" an edited
selection of material written by Eric Kenneway for the BOS magazine:

Pureland Origami

Coined by J.Smith, this term describes his own development of Origami in
which the only permitted procedure is a valley fold and turning the paper
over to allow a valley fold to become a mountain fold.

This deliberate technical limitation grew out of a desire to find simple
introductory models suitable suitable for teaching to people with no
Origami experience, but soon became a self-imposed discipline by means of
which simple alternatives to complex procedures were discovered. There
are, for example, now recognised Pureland alternatives for the more usual
inside reverse fold, etc. The genre attracted some adherents aming British
folders during the late seventies.

John derived the name from the Pureland sect of Buddhism but it has no
connection with it; 'pure' refers to the concept of pure origami and its
restrictions on technique while'land' refers to the use of valley and
mountain folds only.

See also pure origami in Kenneway's "Essential Origami", where you will
find the diagrams for a pureland swan, by John Smith.

The BOS has produced 3 booklets of John Smith's pureland creations:

No. 14   Pureland origami
    29   Pureland origami 2
    43   Pureland origami 3   (gosh aren't these titles original!)

I believe that 29 and 43 are still available, I'm not sure about 14.
For ordering information, contact:

BOS Supplies,
c/o Dr. Martin Wall,
21, Kennet Close,
Grove,
Wantage,
OXFORDSHIRE  OX12 0NJ
U.K.

Regards,

Richard K.

(Sorry if you've seen this before, but my mail system through a big wobbly
when I tried to send this before).





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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 18:09:09 -0300
From: JRMetzger@aol.com
Subject: Origami for the Connoiseur

To All:
I've been trying very hard to get a copy of the oft-quoted 'Origami for the
Connoiseur' and 'Origami Omnibus' by Kasahara. The good news is, that while I
haven't been able to get either yet, 'Omnibus' is supposedly in reprint, so
all I have to do is wait. 'Connoiseur' on the other hand, is a different
kettle of fish. While it is still listed in Books in Print, the publisher
tells me they have no more copies, with no plans to make more, effectively
putting it out of print. I've tried all the major (and many minor) new and
used bookstores in the northeast US, with no luck. I've even tried four
different North Jersey county library systems - same thing :-(. If anyone can
help, either with a lead where I can find 'Connoiseur' or if they have an
*extra* copy they could bear to part with (for appropriate recompensation, of
course), I'd be very, very, grateful.
Thanks. Feel free to e-mail me with any info.
Jacob Metzger
JRMetzger@aol.com





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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 19:22:06 -0300
From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@dorsai.dorsai.org>
Subject: NA Animals in Origami

Bullwinkle the moose looks great!

Having completed all the, almost all the models in the new Montroll book, I
decided to attempt what looked like a simple model--the Saguaro Cactus.
HELP!!!
How am I supposed to get from diagram 13 to 14???
It just does not end up looking that way. What do I do on the part of the
projection that is not visible in diagram 13? Is it a simple valley fold
down? When you then move the flap to the right, valley folding, the top of
the projection or protruding piece slants downword. I can not seem to get
that inverted triangular shape that is shown in diagram 14 on that left
protruding piece!
Anyone try this?
--
Sheldon Ackerman
ackerman@dorsai.dorsai.org
sheldon.ackerman@nycps.nycenet.edu





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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 20:22:05 -0300
From: Kellie Elizabeth Cass <KELLIECASS@delphi.com>
Subject: KIMONO

   Can anyone direct me to a book that shows how to fold a
kimono?
   Thankyou so much.

.                                                          Kellie

`[1;36;40mRainbow V 1.17.0 for Delphi - Registered





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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 21:23:42 -0300
From: Nick Robinson <nick@tritec.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Re: spare the mod & spoil the child

> Yeah, but he aspires to the Sea Urchin!

Sounds painful! There's a catch-phrase over here - "you'll have someone's eye
out with that" - your folds could cripple several at once if thrown
thoughtlessly :)

Nick Robinson

            ***** "Origami isn't just for squares!" *****
          www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/jwu/Origami/BOS/nickdata.html





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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 23:08:07 -0300
From: LEMIEUXJ@aspen.uml.edu
Subject: RE: KIMONO

Hi Kelle,

This may be what you are looking for.

Honda, Isao "World of Origami" Japan Publications       ISBN 0-87040-383-4
 Kimono on Page 127

Now out in paperback, saw several copies on the shelf at Barnes & Nobel.

If you want orther references let me know.

Happy Folding....

Bob
J. Robert A. Lemieux
lemieuxj@woods.uml.edu





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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 00:46:54 -0300
From: Leo Kin <leokatbu@acs.bu.edu>
Subject: RE: Hello

Thanks for everybody's help on finding folding groups for me in the Boston
area. I've contact someone from Pine but it seems to me that either there
aren't many folders in the Boston area or they are just not on this
mailing list. I hope it's the latter.

Out of curiosity, are there any people from the Boston area on this
mailing list?

                          Leo





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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 01:09:25 -0300
From: Kellie Elizabeth Cass <KELLIECASS@delphi.com>
Subject: Re: KIMONO

Dear Bob,
   N Honda, Isao "World of Origami" Japan Publications       ISBN

   Thankyou so much! I've been looking all over for this. As
long as I know where it is I can track it down!
    Thankyou again.

.                                                          Kellie

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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 08:43:09 -0300
From: Mike Kennon <mkennon@nando.net>
Subject: RE: Origami for the Connoiseur

Funny you ask. I found a copy of "Connoiseur" in the local library last
weekend. I checked it out! Have not had any time to fold yet, have enjoyed
looking through it. Is there a particular fold you wanted from this book?

-------------------------------------
Name: Mike Kennon
E-mail: mkennon@nando.net
Date: 08/04/95
Time: 07:42:32
-------------------------------------

>To All:
>I've been trying very hard to get a copy of the oft-quoted 'Origami for the
>Connoiseur' and 'Origami Omnibus' by Kasahara. The good news is, that while
I
>haven't been able to get either yet, 'Omnibus' is supposedly in reprint, so
>all I have to do is wait. 'Connoiseur' on the other hand, is a different
>kettle of fish. While it is still listed in Books in Print, the publisher
>tells me they have no more copies, with no plans to make more, effectively
>putting it out of print. I've tried all the major (and many minor) new and
>used bookstores in the northeast US, with no luck. I've even tried four
>different North Jersey county library systems - same thing :-(. If anyone
can
>help, either with a lead where I can find 'Connoiseur' or if they have an
>*extra* copy they could bear to part with (for appropriate recompensation,
of
>course), I'd be very, very, grateful.
>Thanks. Feel free to e-mail me with any info.
>Jacob Metzger
>JRMetzger@aol.com





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Date: Fri, 04 Aug 1995 11:51:53 -0300
From: Tim Rueger <rueger@areaplg2.corp.mot.COM>
Subject: RE: Origami for the Connoiseur

Hi, All,

>>>>> "mk" == Mike Kennon <mkennon@nando.net> writes:

    mk> Funny you ask. I found a copy of "Connoiseur" in the local library last
    mk> weekend. I checked it out! Have not had any time to fold yet, have
     enjoyed
    mk> looking through it. Is there a particular fold you wanted from this
     book?

I'd recommend two as being really essential.  One, the Kawasaki Rose
("THE rose", as it is sometimes called here).  Second, a John Montroll
Pelican that I haven't seen published anywhere else.  (Someone correct
me on this if I'm wrong.)

-Tim
--
Tim Rueger             Motorola CCRL IC Design Laboratory, IL02-2921
Fax  : (708) 538-4593  Internet: rueger@areaplg2.corp.mot.com





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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 16:11:53 -0300
From: Penny@sector.demon.co.uk
Subject: Folding by words

Following my surprising success with Bill Hall's bookmarks
and Laura Kruskal's  Swan Candy Dish , all in written
instructions rather than diagrams I would like to appeal
to anyone who is currently sitting on this type of
folding instructions to send them my way.

I'm not talking Cuckoo Clock in 100,000 words type stuff,
but things simple enough to teach beginners, you know , schools,
groups of old ladies, people at work who are bored out of their
minds at the moment because no one wants to book tickets for the
Theatre in this heat!

I look forward to lots of inspiration!
Penny
penny@sector.demon.co.uk

:) :( well I do work in Theatre





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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 17:05:05 -0300
From: Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>
Subject: Paper with colour bleeds (was Re: Mountains, and paper choice)

On Tue, 1 Aug 1995, Cynthia Pettit wrote:

> Also a note on paper use: Joseph showed me his Wyvern [a mythological
> creature like a two-legged dragon].  The most striking thing about it was
> that he'd made it out of black paper with red corners -- so the tips of
> wings, tail and beard were all faded to red!  It was breathtaking and I
> still haven't gotten it out of my mind!  [I think I now like "tye-dyed"
> paper better when the colors go out from the *corners* not the center...]

I believe that the stuff is called "harmony" or "concentric corners" or
some such. I've also used it in the past for various flower models. It
makes for a very nice touch with the shaded corners giving different
petal colours.

Joseph Wu      <jwu@cs.ubc.ca> | Witty quote is now back to the
Master's Student               |   drawing board due to squeamish
University of British Columbia |   readers. Any suggestions?
WWW: http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/jwu/origami.html (Origami Page)





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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 17:09:01 -0300
From: Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>
Subject: Re: glossy mags, art etc.

On Wed, 2 Aug 1995, Jerry D. Harris wrote:

> >Ah, but Jerry, people already have invented 6-pointed bird bases before. In
> >fact, Jay Nolan has created 5-, 6-, 7-, and 8-pointed bird bases. And I've
> >independently come up with the 6-pointed version myself.
>
>         OK...what I _should_ have said was:  "...never seen one published."
> Of course, I'm so far out of publication circles in origami, that really
> doesn't say much...

Right. Well, as far as I know, they've only been published with those names
recently. Jay's book was out just in time for Convention in New York in
June.

Joseph Wu      <jwu@cs.ubc.ca> | Witty quote is now back to the
Master's Student               |   drawing board due to squeamish
University of British Columbia |   readers. Any suggestions?
WWW: http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/jwu/origami.html (Origami Page)





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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 17:18:52 -0300
From: Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>
Subject: Re: n-sided bird bases

On Thu, 3 Aug 1995, Cynthia Pettit wrote:

> Hey, Joseph, didn't you have a 9-sided bird base for your Griffen? [sp?]

Nope! The gryphon (or griffin) was made from an inside blintzed frog base
(which has 9 long flaps).

Joseph Wu      <jwu@cs.ubc.ca> | Witty quote is now back to the
Master's Student               |   drawing board due to squeamish
University of British Columbia |   readers. Any suggestions?
WWW: http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/jwu/origami.html (Origami Page)





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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 18:04:30 -0300
From: A004773%LBVM1.profs@lbgwy.mdc.com
Subject: written origami

 Penny, there was an article in the Origamian (old newsletter from FOCA)
 about folding Fred Rohm's dollar bill sid-pointed star.

 I've got a copy at home, I think, I hope, but it is rather old and may
 not repro or fax very well.   john

 John Andrisan
 IBMMAIL: USMCDQND   Internet: a004773%lbvm1.profs@mdcgwy.mdc.com





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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 19:37:47 -0300
From: Rjlang@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: spare the mod & spoil the child

> your folds could cripple several at once if thrown
> thoughtlessly :)

As opposed to the ones that just cripple the folder?

RL





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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 19:39:30 -0300
From: JMontroll@aol.com
Subject: art/craft part 1

-Part 1 of 2 parts-

I've been reading your debate over origami as an art or craft and what I
consider myself to be.

Art elevates us whether it be music, painting, origami, poetry, etc. Art
defies gravity. From the first note of a song we are lifted and by the last
note placed back down. Art changes the world. The laymen appreciate the art
and see the world in a new way, the performer has a new means of expression,
and artists influence each other showing new direction to their art.

An artist has something new to say. Beethoven lived in a time when Mozart's
music was the rage. Beethoven began many pieces in the classical style of
Mozart, then let lightning strike as if to say there is more to music than
beautiful, predictable melodies. He was not always appreciated, most artists
were ahead of their time and often not understood during their life (poor Van
Gogh).

Level of difficulty and artistic merit need not be related. Bethoven's music
is difficult to perform yet has much artistic expression. Some 20th century
music might also be difficult to perform yet lack expression. A woman, not
terribly long ago, made up the Happy Birthday song, a simple song but, wow,
did that change the world!!! And I'd rather not hear another rendition of
Mary Had a Little Lamb.

(more to follow-  John Montroll)





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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 19:40:51 -0300
From: JMontroll@aol.com
Subject: art/craft part 2

-Part 2 of 2 parts-

As an origami artist I have a unique understanding of paper folding. Being
brought up on Honda books, my early message was cutting and multiple sheets
for animals was not pleasing and that traditional bases were not the end-all
be-all of origami.

To express myself I could a) do exhibits or b) write books. I have done a few
exhibits. For the recent one in Japan I was grateful that several of my
friends contributed, still I did fold the majority. The problem was I spent
much of the summer folding for it and (though it was well attended and
received) only so many people saw it, did you?! With a book I can reach the
world.

Jeannine Mosely said it well-an artist could be a composer or performer. As
an amateur piano player, one of my favorite composers is Chopin. He created a
new sound for the piano. There is no recording of his performance yet I enjoy
listening to and playing his music. Luckily, he wrote his music. If he
composed a piece and didn't write it, it would be lost to the world forever.

An artist has the power to change the world. I am honored and delighted to
see my influence. From Holland to Japan, my friends now use the same computer
and program for their diagrams after they asked me to get them started. My
vocabulary from double-rabbit-ear to 5-sided square (from my early Animal
Origami book) is now mainstream. I could go on and on but I just want to show
the power of an artist.

Happy folding,  John Montroll





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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 19:49:38 -0300
From: CM2018@aol.com
Subject: Re: Folding by words

I am wondering If I can get those e "word" diagrams, too.  also... if I could
get instructions on how to fold a swan candy dish... I am a volunteer at The
Children's Museum (Indianapolis) and in my gallery we do origami for
visitors... so it would be great for you to send those my way...please.

thanx





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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 20:00:00 -0300
From: Yan Lau <lau@wharton.upenn.edu>
Subject: is it art?

With all this discussion about whether origami is art, I was wondering
if someone can explain Kenneway's discussion in "Complete Origami",
is it art in the sense of "Art-with-a-capital-A"?

He talks about matter and form.  I seem to be able to follow along but
then get very confuse.

Yan.
--
          "I think we're both gonna make it *big*. I am very optimistic."
   )~  Yan K. Lau                                      lau@wharton.upenn.edu
 ~/~   WCIT Department     The Wharton School     University of Pennsylvania
 /\    God/Goddess/All that is -- the source of love, light and inspiration!





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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 21:23:11 -0300
From: Kellie Elizabeth Cass <KELLIECASS@delphi.com>
Subject: Re: Folding by words

____MESSAGE HEADER INFORMATION DO NOT WRITE ABOVE THIS LINE______
   N I am wondering If I can get those e "word" diagrams, too.  also... if
   NI could get instructions on how to fold a swan candy dish...
   N... so it would be great for you to send those my way...please.

   Please post them to the group. I'd love to see them too!

.                                                          Kellie





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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 23:35:01 -0300
From: Jae Hyuk Lee <jaelee@WPI.EDU>
Subject: ORU mag / J. Montroll

> -Part 2 of 2 parts-
> [.....]
> Happy folding,  John Montroll

While I was at a Japanese boostore, I was flipping through the ORU magazine
which I heard about here and was surprised to see an article on J. Montroll.
I think it was the 4th and final issue of 1994, and it had a picture of John
and many of his models.

I looked at various ORU issues, but the relatively few number of diagrams
and pics (since I can't read Japanese :)  ) made me not want to spend
$34 (Y2000 * 0.017) per issue.





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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 23:47:22 -0300
From: Jae Hyuk Lee <jaelee@WPI.EDU>
Subject: Re: Origami for the Connoiseur

> I've been trying very hard to get a copy of the oft-quoted 'Origami for the
> Connoiseur'
> [.....]

The following is a message that I sent to this list a few months ago.  I'm
pretty sure I saw a copy of OFTConnoisseur in the NYCity store.  They seem
to replenish their origami books on occasion.

> Subject: Origami Omnibus
>
> Those of you who are having trouble find this out-of-print book
> should try calling Kinokuniya (Japanese) Bookstores.  I went to
> one of their branches when I visited NYCity yesterday, and found
> three copies there.  Naturally, I bought one for myself.  ^_^
>
> The lower right corner of the front cover on the 2 remaining copies
> is slightly curled (but not ripped) toward the center of the cover.
> Call them today before they are all gone!  Try to speak clearly and slowly.
> The book is about 1 inch thick, and has a red spine with white letters.
>
> Here are the phone numbers:
>
> San Francisco 415-567-7625     Costa Mesa 714-434-9986
> San Jose      408-252-1300     Seattle    206-587-2477
> Los Angeles   213-687-4480     New York   212-765-1461
> Torrance      310-327-6577     New Jersey 201-941-7580

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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 23:50:53 -0300
From: Jae Hyuk Lee <jaelee@WPI.EDU>
Subject: folders around Boston

> [.....]
> Out of curiosity, are there any people from the Boston area on this
> mailing list?     > Leo

*waving my hand*   I was actually in Boston yesterday and today.  :)





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Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 00:22:38 -0300
From: William Anstine <cptcobel@yrkpa.kias.com>
Subject: Honda's World of Origami

I *think* we might still have a lone copy of World Of Origami, by Isao
Honda, in the bookstore that employs me.  I believe this is also out of
print, so if anyone wants it, let me know!

Cpt





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Date: Sat, 05 Aug 1995 01:42:52 -0300
From: kenjihtn@clubmet.metrobbs.COM
Subject: Origami program

Dear Mr. Montroll,

You have refered to an Origami Drawing Program, please send me more
info.

Thanks.

Kenji

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Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 04:25:07 -0300
From: Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>
Subject: Re: art/craft part 2

Thanks, John. Always glad to get the real story, rather than what I
thought I had heard.

Joseph Wu      <jwu@cs.ubc.ca> | Witty quote is now back to the
Master's Student               |   drawing board due to squeamish
University of British Columbia |   readers. Any suggestions?
WWW: http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/jwu/origami.html (Origami Page)





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Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 13:47:37 -0300
From: Nick Robinson <nick@tritec.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Folding by words

> instructions rather than diagrams I would like to appeal to anyone who
> is currently sitting on this type of folding instructions to send them.

Well, I'm not sitting on them, but;

Square, valley side to opposite side - a Birthday card
White square on its side - a snow-covered field
Black   "     "  "   "   - same field at night
Square folded corner to corner - precision 45 degree set-square
Square inserted into a book - a book-mark
thin strip of white paper - instant dental floss

Any use to you Penny? (all copyright of course)

Nick Robinson

            ***** "Origami isn't just for squares!" *****
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Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 20:41:55 -0300
From: DBSH47B@prodigy.com (MRS. JANET J HAMILTON)
Subject: Re: Honda's World of Origami

-- [ From: Janet Hamilton * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --

I just saw Honda's World of Origami at the Barnes and Noble on R18,
East Brunswick, NJ.  If someone was looking for this book, you could
give them a call.

Janet





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Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 22:32:04 -0300
From: terryh@lamg.com (Terry Hall)
Subject: Re: The detectives

Nick,

This information may not be much help but one of the members of the Origami
Tanteidan is now living in the USA. His name is: Yasuteru Okahashi his
address is: 649E 800N #8, Logan, Utah 84321, USA, Phone # (801) 755-3167. He
did not indicate that he had an email address but his written English seems
very good.

Terry Hall





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Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 10:14:14 -0300
From: "BOB T. LYNCH" <blynch@du.edu>
Subject: Re:  Paper with colour bleeds (was Re: Mountains, and paper choice)

I found another really cool use for the Harmony paper (where the color "bleeds"
from the corners to a white center). In J. Montroll's new book - "Birds in
Origami" (?) there is a really pretty hummingbird that is just STUNNING with
that particular paper! (especially the orange/yellow, and the red that goes to
a turquoisy blue!!!)

Fun model, and with 6" paper - just about the same size bird that frequents my
mother-in-law's feeders!

Dee





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Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 10:16:50 -0300
From: "BOB T. LYNCH" <blynch@du.edu>
Subject: 6 pointed star

Someone mentioned a 6 pointed star and it reminded me - in the last issue of the
OUSA newsletter, there was a picture of a Star Of David folded from a dollar
bill that was said to be one of Michael Shall's favorite models. Does anyone
know where this might be diagrammed? I have a person in my regional group that
is very interested in getting diagrams.

Dee





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Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 10:16:14 -0300
From: "BOB T. LYNCH" <blynch@du.edu>
Subject: RE: Origami for the Connoiseur

My favorite fold from Connoisseur is the Space Shuttle by Kawasaki (?) (I'm
not lokking at the book directly, so I'm not sure on the designer. I also
like the SR-71... I folded one for an exhibit at the library, and while I was
putting the models in the case, a little boy (well, I guess he was about 12)
got very excited about the "Blackbird" made of paper.

Dee





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Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 10:17:21 -0300
From: "BOB T. LYNCH" <blynch@du.edu>
Subject: Re:  Honda's World of Origami

I saw Honda's "World of Origami" on the shelf a couple of times in the last
couple of months - who wanted it?

Dee in Denver





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Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 10:46:46 -0300
From: CM2018@aol.com
Subject: Re: Honda's World of Origami

just so you know... one of our stores here in Indianapolis, B.Dalton to be
excact, has this book in paperback.
