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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 12:54:16 -0300
From: Steve Arlow <yorick@conch.aa.msen.com>
Subject: Re: Delurking... rec.arts.origami?

>                                                   however, my mailbox is
>becomming overwhelmed with the traffic (I'm on several professional
>lists, but they all tend to average 1-2 msgs/day)

Yes.  As much as I like origami, I need to use email for *real work*.
If I use filters to automatically put all origami-l mail aside in a
separate spot, I will never go back to see it.  There are lots of
good tools for reading news, but surprisingly little for reading
mailing-list mail.

A newsgroup would be ideal.  Several people have raised objections
about spam, etc., but with a halfway-decent newsreader you don't
have to waste your time on the spam -- unlike a mailing list.

It is almost impossible to maintain the continuity of a subject
on a mailing list, because there are no "threaded" mail-readers.
If the listserver software for this list were to preserve the
"In-Reply-To: " headers, one could at least someday *write* a
program for threading mailing-list traffic.  But as is, mailing
lists with even a moderate amount of traffic require *much* more
time and effort to use than a newsgroup.

In any event, there is no reason that both the group and the list
could not co-exist.  Perhaps they could even be gated to each other.

>Is anyone on the list familier with the procedures and net.politics
>involved with newsgroup creation?  If no one is, I will try to set aside
>a bit of free time and go through it, if someone else is willing to take
>votes [...]

Votes are now taken by the Usenet Volunteer Votetakers (UVV), so
that part is not a problem.  The main effort of writing the RFD
and CFV, and shepherding them through the process, is no small
task though.  I am not volunteering to do so, but I will help out
with such an effort as much as my schedule will permit.

--
 "...the paws of fear upon your chest,  |  Steve Arlow, Yorick Software Inc.
  only love can soothe that beast..."   |  39336 Polo Club Dr. #103,
               -- Indigo Girls          |  Farmington Hills, MI  48335-5634
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 12:57:54 -0300
From: "Londono, Juancarlos (3421)" <J.LONDONO@CGNET.COM>
Subject: SOME ADVICE

Dear friends:
I would like some advice about an exhibition I am planning. I want to show
some origami figures of animals and I don't know whether it's better to make
the animals on scale, or sized according difficulty. I mean that an elephant
that's easy to fold can be quite small, but an insect model that is much
more difficult for me comes out larger than the elephant.

*  In your opinion, does this matter?
*  Can I show tiny elephants and giant bugs?
*  Should I try to make all the figures on scale, or all the same size?

I would appreciate any opinions or comments you migh have.

J.LONDONO@CGNET.COM





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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 13:40:32 -0300
From: GURKEWITZ@WCSUB.CTSTATEU.EDU
Subject: re: ants on a square

Reply to John Andrisan:
    I'm not sure how long the path of the ants is on a pursuit curve,
but it seems longer than a side of the square.

    I'm familiar with these curves from computer graphics. I even
once found wrapping paper with them on it. What gets interesting is
combining squares with pursuit curves in them to get large pictures.

    The graphics contain more than the spiral going to the center.
One way to contruct the graphic (or get a pattern of folds) is to
start by dividing the sides of the square into say eighths. Then
make a fold from one corner of the square to the first eight mark
on the side past the next corner. Do this with all four corners.
The fold is supposed to stop at the next fold and not go all the
way to the edge. Then move a distance down from the corner on
each of the folds you just made and repeat the process as for
the original square. Continue with the new folds.
    I don't thing the ants get to the center.
    Also, these curves look neat when you start with other shapes
besides squares, and the shapes don't have to be regular polygons.
They remind me of 'wave' folding.
    They're not too hard to program, I think Logo is probably easiest
but you have to shift your thinking to shrinking and rotating a
square within a square.

Rona





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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 13:56:48 -0300
From: Jae Hyuk Lee <jaelee@WPI.EDU>
Subject: Re: Delurking... rec.arts.origami?

>> however, my mailbox is
>> becomming overwhelmed with the traffic (I'm on several professional
>>lists, but they all tend to average 1-2 msgs/day)
>
> Yes.  As much as I like origami, I need to use email for *real work*.
> [.....]

Use the digest option.  You'll get one or two e-mail from the list
per week.





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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 14:08:05 -0300
From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@dorsai.dorsai.org>
Subject: Re: USENET newsgroup issue

>
> I'm against it for a personal reason that I bet affects lots of our members:
> I get my Internet access at work. Unless the newsgroup was snuck in under a
> code name in the science or computer hierarchy, I'd never see it again.

Can't individuals with email access still receive the newsgroups they wish via
email?

--
Sheldon Ackerman
ackerman@dorsai.dorsai.org
sheldon.ackerman@nycps.nycenet.edu





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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 14:12:12 -0300
From: Mary Jane Heussner <rgtmjh@gsusgi2.Gsu.EDU>
Subject: Re: No newsgroup please.

On Wed, 26 Jul 1995, Jeannine Mosely wrote:
>
> I have been on this list for over a year and I have yet to see a flame
> war.  Do you know of newsgroup that can make this claim?
>
Excellent point.  I love the general tone of this list which is tolerant
and sensitive.  I'm sure we'd lose that.  I don't think it's been that
hard for most people to find the list--it was mentioned in several
internet resource books that I saw at the bookstore (though the address
wasn't quite right.)  I think the volume of offerings is fine and the
range of involvement and skill levels/interests seems pretty diverse.  I
vote to leave things as they are.

MJ





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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 14:25:18 -0300
From: Kevin <prank@leland.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Re: No newsgroup please... (and more!)

On Wed, 26 Jul 1995, Jeannine Mosely wrote:
> I learned about this list.  Thanks to everyone involved!  Maybe if we
> try again, it will fail again, but more people will learn about us ;-).
>
        That would be nice(!)

> I have been on this list for over a year and I have yet to see a flame
> war.  Do you know of newsgroup that can make this claim?
>
        This isn't a dare, is it...  =)

        I thought about the newsgroup thing.  Newsgroups are nice, but I
tend to neglect them after a while.  I do _not_ neglect my e-mail.  It
would also be a pity to lose participants on this mailing list who do not
have access to newsgroups or would have to go to a commercial service
just to access news.
        For those who feel they are getting flooded with origami-l mail,
I would suggest a mail filter which could put all of the origami mail
into a separate folder.  Otherwise, just try to keep the non-origami
messages to a minimum.

        But back to origami... (you may want to change the subject header
on this one...)

        Does anyone have a list of really nice, really simple, non-
traditional origami to do during demonstrations?  The traditional models
tend to bore some kids who know most of the folds already, but the
complex ones take a long time to fold/teach which bores the other people
at outdoor demonstrations.
        I have been doing models such as Kasahara's foxes (from the
Omnibus of Origami) and dollar bill folds, which always get people
interested.
        Does anyone have suggestions or comments as to what to make?

        Another interesting thing is to have people make something that
they know how to make for you and then transform it into something else.
Good examples are changing the traditional crane into a different type of
crane, or even a different type of animal (rooster, ostrich, seal, etc.),
and making the "traditional" paper airplane into a swan (just a series of
reverse folds).  Better yet, at one demonstration there was a brochure
rack.  Some brochures were the standard (?) folded-into-thirds kind, some
were the standard (?) folded-into-fourths kind, and some were the
standard (?) single-strip-of-paper-that-could-have-been-the-folded-into-
thirds-kind-but-cut-at-the-creases kind.  There are several models, boxes
are good examples, which use the folds _already_on_the_paper_.  Those get
even the grumpiest people interested, as they think, "Wow, (s)he just
folded that from a plain old sheet of paper..." (Why do they think this?)
The single-strip kind are nice to fold dollar bill designs out of, since
they are roughly (not really) the same proportions...

--Kevin





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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 14:28:43 -0300
From: "BOB T. LYNCH" <blynch@du.edu>
Subject: Re:  more TREK, segue to Bloom County

Robert is right about Paramount. I don't want to step on any toes and I hope
no one is offended, but Paramount seems to forget where their money conmes
from -meaning the fans. But then, I am prejudiced. Paramount PROBABLY won't get
upset about people folding Enterprises and Birds of Prey, etc., maybe not even
mind calling them that. I wouldn't try to publish a book or anything like that
with them in there though. Some friends of mine made some bumper stickers that
dealt with Star Trek and were selling them - Paramount didn't sue - but
     basically
the threat was enough. It costs something like $10,000 to get a license from
them to sell Star Trek merchandise.

Art is tricky though. So, origami designers may have a lot more leeway when it
comes to producing models.

I know Paramount is even trying to crack down on conventions. In Australia
they have said that there is ONE official fan club, and that no other clubs
may bear the name Star Trek in their names. No showing of video material that
isn't already available in the country (for those people in clubs that get tapes
mailed to them from friends in the States). and a few other things like that.
(This is all from a friend in Australia, BTW)

Sorry about the non-origami material... but I know there are a lot of us
     Trekkers
out there on the list!

Dee

PS Wouldn't the hard part about a Bill the Cat model be getting the tongue and
those buggy eyes just right? (But then Robert has talent, and I don't!)





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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 14:53:00 -0300
From: Hans Gerwitz <gerwitz@sluaxa.slu.edu>
Subject: Re: Delurking... rec.arts.origami?

On Wed, 26 Jul 1995, Steve Arlow wrote:
>
> Yes.  As much as I like origami, I need to use email for *real work*.
> If I use filters to automatically put all origami-l mail aside in a
> separate spot, I will never go back to see it.  There are lots of
> good tools for reading news, but surprisingly little for reading
> mailing-list mail.

Someone mentioned digest form.  This is problematic for me, it still
stuffs my mailbox (worse than the current solution, for I will not delete
the message until I've read it all), and is much more difficult to
browse, IMHO.

> A newsgroup would be ideal.  Several people have raised objections
> about spam, etc., but with a halfway-decent newsreader you don't
> have to waste your time on the spam -- unlike a mailing list.

Exactly.

> It is almost impossible to maintain the continuity of a subject
> on a mailing list, because there are no "threaded" mail-readers.
> If the listserver software for this list were to preserve the
> "In-Reply-To: " headers, one could at least someday *write* a
> program for threading mailing-list traffic.  But as is, mailing
> lists with even a moderate amount of traffic require *much* more
> time and effort to use than a newsgroup.

A point I didn't even think of.  Now I *really* want a newsgroup :-)

> In any event, there is no reason that both the group and the list
> could not co-exist.  Perhaps they could even be gated to each other.

This has been done on several groups.  You'll notice many people on some
of the more "cozy" newsgroups refering to it as the "list".

Spam is a concern, but as has been mentioned, rec.toys.lego (a favorite of
mine) is about as strong in signal as this list, as is rec.arts.bonsai
(These are the only rec.* groups I frequent, I cannot speak for others).
Again, a newsgroup doesn't have to supplant the list, and gateways are
available.  Unfortunately I know little about the technical details
behind this, but people needn't fear losing access.

I wonder what percentage of people here could *not* access a usenet
group.  If it is high, then the increased traffic would probably be
unwelcome, if that number is small, however, I'm sure that the ease of
use of a newsgroup and larger base of users would make up for the
occasional "MAKE MONEY FAST", which can easily be bypassed with any
decent newsreader.

Hans Gerwitz
SLU C&IS
gerwitz@sluaxa.slu.edu





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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 15:00:41 -0300
From: JudyWHall@aol.com
Subject: Re: RE: ant on a turntable

TO GURKEWITZ:
Hi Rona...I have tried to reach you at your usual address but was unable to.
 So I decided to send it through origami...I loved reading about your ant
solutions.  I'll be up to see you on Friday with BG.  Here's to doing more
origami...or should we say in the spirit of punning:  morigami...Judy





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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 15:18:32 -0300
From: Marc Kirschenbaum <contract@pipeline.com>
Subject: Simple pleasures

On Wed, 26 Jul 1995 Kevin <prank@leland.Stanford.EDU> said:

>       Does anyone have a list of really nice, really simple, non- traditional
>origami to do during demonstrations?  The traditional models tend to bore
some
>kids who know most of the folds already, but the complex ones take a long
time
>to fold/teach which bores the other people at outdoor demonstrations.

Nick Robinson and Paul Jackson seem to be the masters at coming up with
models that fit your criteria. Also, John Smith (and others), have
developed models that only utilize simple valley and mountain folds. The
term for such models is pureland. Many of these models (Robinson's
included), can be found in the BOS publications.

Marc





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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 15:41:14 -0300
From: casida@ere.umontreal.ca (Casida Mark)
Subject: printing postscript from a Mac

Hello all you image-conscious computer-using people,

Well, really I am looking for a way to print postscript files
that I've downloaded to a Mac (specifically a PowerMac).  I've
got a laser printer (specifically a QMS-PS 410) which _can_ print
postscript files (we've done it from a PC hooked up the same
printer.)  However I haven't yet found a way to print a generic
postscript file.  I thought about all you people who must download
postscript model plans from time to time and wondered if anyone had any
suggestions?

                               ... Mark
--
*-------------------------------------------------------*
|          Mark E. Casida                               |
|          e-mail: casida@chimcn.umontreal.ca           |





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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 16:01:20 -0300
From: JENNIFER K PHILLIPS <J.K.PHILLIPS@LaRC.NASA.GOV>
Subject: RE: rec.arts.origami ... Spam?

i'm new to this whole newsgroup and listserv thing
could some one please tell me what a Spam is?
(other than a meat product)

thank you so much

jennifer

[j.k.phillips@larc.nasa.gov]





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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 16:12:38 -0300
From: Steve Arlow <yorick@conch.aa.msen.com>
Subject: Re: Delurking... rec.arts.origami?

Hans Gerwitz wrote:
>On Wed, 26 Jul 1995, Steve Arlow wrote:
>>
>> Yes.  As much as I like origami, I need to use email for *real work*.
>> If I use filters to automatically put all origami-l mail aside in a
>> separate spot, I will never go back to see it.  There are lots of
>> good tools for reading news, but surprisingly little for reading
>> mailing-list mail.
>
>Someone mentioned digest form.  This is problematic for me, it still
>stuffs my mailbox (worse than the current solution, for I will not delete
>the message until I've read it all), and is much more difficult to
>browse, IMHO.

If I want to reply to three items in a digest, I have to reply
three separate times, edit the "Subject: " line by hand each time,
insert attributions manually...  Yuck.

>Again, a newsgroup doesn't have to supplant the list, and gateways are
>available.  Unfortunately I know little about the technical details
>behind this, but people needn't fear losing access.

Neither do I, at least not in great detail.  I have friends who
have worked on mail-news gateway software of various sorts, I
will inquire with them.

--
 "...the paws of fear upon your chest,  |  Steve Arlow, Yorick Software Inc.
  only love can soothe that beast..."   |  39336 Polo Club Dr. #103,
               -- Indigo Girls          |  Farmington Hills, MI  48335-5634
   (.sig quote contest has been won)    |  http://www.msen.com/~yorick





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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 16:20:39 -0300
From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@dorsai.dorsai.org>
Subject: Re: printing postscript from a Mac

>
> Hello all you image-conscious computer-using people,
>
> Well, really I am looking for a way to print postscript files
> that I've downloaded to a Mac (specifically a PowerMac).  I've
> got a laser printer (specifically a QMS-PS 410) which _can_ print
> postscript files (we've done it from a PC hooked up the same
> printer.)  However I haven't yet found a way to print a generic
> postscript file.  I thought about all you people who must download
> postscript model plans from time to time and wondered if anyone had any
> suggestions?

Sorry I can't help you, but I can't resist noting that even with a Mac one
can have difficulty printing such files?

It's time to get rid of .ps files and put everything into .PDF! :-)
--
Sheldon Ackerman
ackerman@dorsai.dorsai.org
sheldon.ackerman@nycps.nycenet.edu





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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 16:28:01 -0300
From: Steve Arlow <yorick@conch.aa.msen.com>
Subject: Re: rec.arts.origami ... Spam?

>i'm new to this whole newsgroup and listserv thing
>could some one please tell me what a Spam is?
>(other than a meat product)

"Spam" is what someone (I can't tell you who, because it went
straight to bit-bucket) kindly presented us with several samples
of, in all caps.  Chain-letters, off-topic advertisements,
humanitarian appeals, "for a good time call...", etc.

The origin of the term is frequently misreported in the print
media, who speak of throwing Spam into a fan and thereby "filling
the surrounding area with meat".

The *real* etymology of the term is in reference to a Monty Python
comedy sketch, which has Spam being repeated endlessly on every
item in the menu, and ends with a "Spam" chant.  (You have to be
there...)  It applies to these unwanted posts being repeated
endlessly, in every newsgroup, ad nauseam.

But enough about that, this list is for paperfolding.  :)

--
 "...the paws of fear upon your chest,  |  Steve Arlow, Yorick Software Inc.
  only love can soothe that beast..."   |  39336 Polo Club Dr. #103,
               -- Indigo Girls          |  Farmington Hills, MI  48335-5634
   (.sig quote contest has been won)    |  http://www.msen.com/~yorick





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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 16:36:52 -0300
From: Jeannine Mosely <j9@concentra.com>
Subject: RE: rec.arts.origami ... Spam?

"Spam" is just slang for electronic junk mail.  It can be used as a
noun or a verb.  "Did you see the spam on alt.sex.origami?"  or
"Sci.math.origami really got spammed today."  It generally comes from
strangers and has no content relevant to list or newsgroup receiving
it.  Does anyone know the origin of the term?

        -- jeannine





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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 16:56:09 -0300
From: Steve Arlow <yorick@conch.aa.msen.com>
Subject: Re: rec.arts.origami ... Spam?

Jeannine Mosley writes:
>
>"Spam" is just slang for electronic junk mail.  It can be used as a
>noun or a verb.  "Did you see the spam on alt.sex.origami?"  [...]
                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Think: papercuts.  *shudder*  None for me, thanks.  :)

--
 "...the paws of fear upon your chest,  |  Steve Arlow, Yorick Software Inc.
  only love can soothe that beast..."   |  39336 Polo Club Dr. #103,
               -- Indigo Girls          |  Farmington Hills, MI  48335-5634
   (.sig quote contest has been won)    |  http://www.msen.com/~yorick





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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 17:11:43 -0300
From: Grace.Chiu@Cognos.COM (Chiu, Grace)
Subject: Re: Delurking... rec.arts.origami?

I started out the day without an opinion on this.  Then...  Tim wrote:
>I think it would work just fine; there'd be no need to decide whether
>origami is an art, science, craft, or whatever.  Here's a list of
>"one-leaf" rec.* hierarchy names currently on my newsserver:
>
 ...
>...   rec.skate

. and it got me thinking:
rec.skate was split into 5 new subgroups under rec.sport.skating.  The
Usenet
folks are trying to discourage rec.* one-level group names, thus encouraging
hierachies.  This is a pain to deal with if you have a general interest and
don't
want to have to visit several newsgroups in a limited amount of time.  And
cross-
posting is often not facilitated by news apps.  As such, I've lost interest
in the skating
newsgroups.

Trying to decide where to put an origami newsgroup sounds like a nightmare.
The debate could go on for months, I'm sure.  And I don't want it subdivided
by
interest.  I like origami because it is art (nice to look at) and craft (fun
& challenging
to do) AND geometry (I'm a mathie... what can I say?) and many things to
many
people.  Just like  I like all aspects of skating (competitive &
recreational figure/ ice,
inline (maybe except grinding), and speed).

I originally went troughing for an origami newsgroup and was initially
miffed at this
list server concept, especially having become unsubscribed every time my
gateway takes a washroom break.  But, I've come to enjoy this and prefer it
over a newsgroup.  And I agree with Joseph about the high quality of posts.
Okay.  So now I have an opinion on this = "my 2 cents".

Grace
 ---
Grace Chiu, Enslavened Manager, Technology Support Services,
Cognos Inc.: Rubberneckers on the Information Super-Dirt Road
Ottawa, ON 1-800-365-3968, ext. 3218.
Grace.Chiu@Cognos.COM or chiug@cognos.com





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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 17:29:37 -0300
From: ACPQUINN@myriad.middlebury.edu
Subject: RE: printing postscript from a Mac

on printing .ps files from a macintosh:
Although I am a primarily IBM-based person, I print my .ps files on a macintosh
using the Laserwriter Font Utility.  This program allows you to download the
.ps file directly to the printer.  The down side is that it will only work with
Laserwriters, hence the name.  If you have a laserwriter, the utility should
have come with it.  If not, buy one :) That's my $.02.  I use an HP laserjet
at home running off DOS anyway, so what do I know?
-Alasdair
acpquinn@myriad.middlebury.edu





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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 17:44:22 -0300
From: Jeannine Mosely <j9@concentra.com>
Subject: Re: rec.arts.origami ... Spam?

   Jeannine Mosley writes:
   >
   >"Spam" is just slang for electronic junk mail.  It can be used as a
   >noun or a verb.  "Did you see the spam on alt.sex.origami?"  [...]
                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   Think: papercuts.  *shudder*  None for me, thanks.  :)

   --
    "...the paws of fear upon your chest,  |  Steve Arlow, Yorick Software Inc.
     only love can soothe that beast..."   |  39336 Polo Club Dr. #103,
                 -- Indigo Girls          |  Farmington Hills, MI  48335-5634
      (.sig quote contest has been won)    |  http://www.msen.com/~yorick

Actually, I was thinking of "full contact origami", as in the college
admissions essay. The possibilities for wet folding boggle the mind.





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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 17:48:43 -0300
From: Grace.Chiu@Cognos.COM (Chiu, Grace)
Subject: RE: printing postscript from a Mac

Mark,

QMS has a utility for downloading fonts and PostScript files to their
printers,
much like the Apple LaserWriter Utility which I use to download to my
klunky old (but free) LaserWriter Plus.

Try Compuserve for the QMS utility or give QMS a call.  We used to have
a QMS something-2000, but it has been banished.  The Apple utility might
even work.  It's also on Compuserve.

Another stab in the dark would be to highlight the icon and choose Print
from the
File menu in Finder and see what your driver does (try with a small file
first).  This
used to work with some printer though I can't remember which.

Grace
 ---
Grace Chiu, Enslavened Manager, Technology Support Services,
Cognos Inc.: Rubberneckers on the Information Super-Dirt Road
Ottawa, ON 1-800-365-3968, ext. 3218.
Grace.Chiu@Cognos.COM or chiug@cognos.com





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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 18:02:46 -0300
From: A004773%LBVM1.profs@lbgwy.mdc.com
Subject: NO SUBJECT

 Rona, I recall, from somewhere, that the squarish spirals are called
 squirals.

 I found that I can produce them in a program that draws lines connecting
 dots of a Lisajoux (spelling?) Curve, where the curve is defined as:
     x=a*e**(f*t)*sin(nt+b)
     y=c*e**(g*t)*sin(nt+d)
 The various a,b,c,d,f, and g values control amplitude, exponential
 decay, phase angle, e is the base of the natural log, and t is the
 variable I use like time starting at 1 and incrementing by 1 for each
 point on the curve.

 If I increment t by different values, I can come up with squirals of
 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, etc., sides.

 John Andrisan
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 18:21:47 -0300
From: Kim Best <Kim.Best@m.cc.utah.edu>
Subject: Origami Insects and their kin

I just recently noticed a message about someone having an extra copy of
Robert Langs "Origami Insects and their kin".  When I saw it, I said to
myself, "What!?, the book is available?  I new it was coming, but I didn't
know it was available."  So I rushed out to my local Barnes and Noble to see
if I could order it.  Upon arriving at the store, I was informed that the
book is in the store, it had just arrived, and was still on the cart!
"Great!" I thought, "I can be folding tonite!"

First off, I must say any one who thinks Montroll's "Animal Origami for
the Enthusiast", should be called "Origami for the Masecist", will no
doubt call this book "Origami for the Desperately Suicidal".  Every
single model is advanced!  If you have not mastered Montroll, don't even
begin on the models in this book.

Heres an idea!  One of the models is a lady bug with spots.  Now you may
think you will need to dye some black/white paper red to get a really
good model.  Not so, simply use a piece of paper that is black one side and
white on the other.  Your torn, abused, frayed, and bleeding fingers will
automatically dye the paper red. :->

Sireously though...  Normally when I get a new book, I go right to the
last model and fold it first.  Not this time!  No way was I going to
tackle that Scorpion right off!  So I thumbed thru to see what else would
catch my interest.  On a resent visit to the San Diego Zoo, I was very
impressed with the Ant's in the Origami exhibit.  I was happy to see they
were diagramed here in this book.  So I started in with a red ten inch
square.  The only place I had any real troubles was with the middle legs.
I'm not sure I folded them right, but they look OK so maybe I did.  The
finished model looks really great.  I'm impressed at how large a model I
got, despite the complexity.

Next off I tried the Dragonfly.  I used a green paperback foil.  I had a
bit more trouble on this one,  the leading edges of the wings turned out
a bit ragged, and the Double Rabbit ear, Sinks, and Reverse folds on the
six legs, became pinch and bend.  But over all the model looks good.  I
did make one minor alteration.  Instead of folding the eyes up against
the head, I simply pulled them out perpendicular to the model, forming a
Tee shaped head, much more like a real dragonfly.  I also pinched a
couple of existing folds to form a nose, not anatomically correct, but cute.

One thing I really like about this book is the way repeated step are
prominently shown, so you can look ahead and see where you will be
repeating steps.

One question though, Robert.  In the preface, you state that "Someone,
somewhere has folded each of these models".  Are we to read this as someone
other than yourself. Or are we to assume that in some cases you were
working completely in theory, and were greatly releaved when someone else
proved that these models were in fact actually foldable in real life. :)

Kim Best                            *******************************
                                    * There's always a place for  *
Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   *   the angry young man...    *
420 Chipeta Way #120                *     In a kill file!         *
Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         *******************************





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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 21:26:17 -0300
From: Nick Robinson <nick@tritec.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Ligia Montoya

David Lister wrote a long account of her lfie & works - I'll try to get a
transcript - you could write direct to him if you're really keen.

Apparently she had an almighty fallout with Cerceda, who accused her of stealing
his work. Shame really. Her work certainly had a beauty that eluded much of
Cerceda's designs...

Nick Robinson

            ***** "Origami isn't just for squares!" *****
          www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/jwu/Origami/BOS/nickdata.html





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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 21:36:48 -0300
From: Hans Gerwitz <gerwitz@sluaxa.slu.edu>
Subject: Re: printing postscript from a Mac

On Wed, 26 Jul 1995, Sheldon Ackerman wrote:

> > Hello all you image-conscious computer-using people,
> >
> > Well, really I am looking for a way to print postscript files
> > that I've downloaded to a Mac (specifically a PowerMac).  I've
[snip]
>
> Sorry I can't help you, but I can't resist noting that even with a Mac one
> can have difficulty printing such files?

Normally I would respond privately, but in order to prevent more public
replies, I am sending this to the list...

Look for a utility known as "Drop*PS".  It can be found at any of the
major macintosh archives, specifically info-mac and umich.  For best
results peruse the mirrors of these sites.  My favorite mirrors are
ftp://mirror.aol.com and ftp://mirror.apple.com.  For that matter...
[pause]

ftp://mirror.apple.com/mirrors/info-mac/prn/drop-ps-113.hqx

If you aren't familier with all this, the .hqx means the file is
BinHexed... you can find BinHex (or stuffit expander, which will also
decode binhex) just about anywhere.

Good luck, and feel free to e-mail me privately with any questions.

> It's time to get rid of .ps files and put everything into .PDF! :-)

Yay, so Adobe can own the document-exchange industry?  I think not, only
open standards for me, thank you.

Hans Gerwitz
SLU C&IS
gerwitz@sluaxa.slu.edu





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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 22:16:19 -0300
From: logician!sophie!pat@uunet.uu.net (Pat Zura)
Subject: RE: ant on a turntable

The version of this I remember (it's been 20 years..) is:  What is
the actual distance traveled by the ant if the ant is moving at x cm/sec,
and the 12" turntable is moving at y rpm.  Assume the ant walks directly
to or from the center.

Pat





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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 22:49:19 -0300
From: Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@pipeline.com>
Subject: SOME ADVICE

On Wed, 26 Jul 1995 "Londono, Juancarlos (3421)" <J.LONDONO@CGNET.COM>
said:

>
>Dear friends:
>I would like some advice about an exhibition I am planning. I want to show
some
>origami figures of animals and I don't know whether it's better to make
the
>animals on scale, or sized according difficulty. I mean that an elephant
that's
>easy to fold can be quite small, but an insect model that is much more
>difficult for me comes out larger than the elephant.
>
>*  In your opinion, does this matter?
>*  Can I show tiny elephants and giant bugs? *  Should I try to make all
the
>figures on scale, or all the same size?
>
>I would appreciate any opinions or comments you migh have.
Throughout the years, I have found that my models look better large. I am
convinced that most people fold tiny models only because commercially
available paper comes in certain sizes. Right now, most of my animal models
are about the same size, which is about six inches in length. This also
means that the models are not proportionatelt correct to each other, but
this does not strike me as strange. My insect models run about three inches
in width; clearly out of proportion to my animals. The trick is to display
them as far apart from each other. When thigs are grouped together
proportion wise, it gives the illusion that everything is okay proportion
wise. In the event that I am wrong about all of this, it means that I have
been presenting some pretty funky exhibits, and nobody bothered to tell me.

Marc





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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 23:03:35 -0300
From: Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@pipeline.com>
Subject: Origami Insects and their kin

On Wed, 26 Jul 1995 Kim Best <Kim.Best@m.cc.utah.edu> said:

>
>One question though, Robert.  In the preface, you state that "Someone,
>somewhere has folded each of these models".  Are we to read this as
someone
>other than yourself. Or are we to assume that in some cases you were
working
>completely in theory, and were greatly releaved when someone else proved
that
>these models were in fact actually foldable in real life. :)
>

He might be refering to me, as well as the other people who tested the
models. That's right, I am taking credit for all of the mistakes in the
book. For the record, even before I proofed the book,I found all of the
models to be quite doable (not to mention excellent and inspiring). Good
luck.

Marc
>
>Kim Best                            *******************************
>                                    * There's always a place for  * Rocky

>Mountain Cancer Data System   *   the angry young man...    * 420 Chipeta
Way
>#120                *     In a kill file!         * Salt Lake City, Utah





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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 23:17:08 -0300
From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@dorsai.dorsai.org>
Subject: Re: printing postscript from a Mac

>
> On Wed, 26 Jul 1995, Sheldon Ackerman wrote:
>
> > It's time to get rid of .ps files and put everything into .PDF! :-)
>
> Yay, so Adobe can own the document-exchange industry?  I think not, only
> open standards for me, thank you.
>
> Hans Gerwitz
> SLU C&IS
> gerwitz@sluaxa.slu.edu
>
>
Er...excuse me...but who invented PostScript files? Wasn't it Adobe?

My point is that the whole purpose of writing is so that another individual
can read what you write. It may be simple to convert an image into a .ps
file but it seems it is not so simple to view and then print these files.
Yes, I can, but it is no simple task. Reading through the Newsgroups one of
the most common questions I come across is how does one read and print ps
files? The Acrobat viewer, which I think is freeware, makes it a cinch no
matter which platform one uses ( I think).
I've downloaded the PDF files Alex Barber has so graciously converted from
the PS files and they are a cinch to view and print. We do not all have PS
printers, and I hate GhostScript and GhostView!

--
Sheldon Ackerman
ackerman@dorsai.dorsai.org
sheldon.ackerman@nycps.nycenet.edu





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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 23:24:52 -0300
From: William Anstine <cptcobel@yrkpa.kias.com>
Subject: Jeanine's Icosahedron

Question for Jeanine Mosely-

During convention, you showed me a unit for an Icosahedron that was sort
of "inverted" faces... however, it seems as though you almost need to be
inside the model to assemble the final couple of units..

Any insight?





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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 23:28:32 -0300
From: Hans Gerwitz <gerwitz@sluaxa.slu.edu>
Subject: Re: printing postscript from a Mac

On Wed, 26 Jul 1995, Sheldon Ackerman wrote:
>
> Er...excuse me...but who invented PostScript files? Wasn't it Adobe?

Yes, but the language is an open specification.

> My point is that the whole purpose of writing is so that another individual
> can read what you write. It may be simple to convert an image into a .ps
> file but it seems it is not so simple to view and then print these files.

Depends on the machine.  Most X users can view them quite easily.  Even
more people can print .ps files easily.

> Yes, I can, but it is no simple task. Reading through the Newsgroups one of
> the most common questions I come across is how does one read and print ps
> files? The Acrobat viewer, which I think is freeware, makes it a cinch no
> matter which platform one uses ( I think).

My understanding is that you must use commercial Adobe products (or
ADobe-licensed products) in order to create these files.  I consider this
stifling.

> I've downloaded the PDF files Alex Barber has so graciously converted from
> the PS files and they are a cinch to view and print. We do not all have PS
> printers, and I hate GhostScript and GhostView!

Personal preference.  We are all entitled to our own taste or lack
thereof :-)

Anyway, this does not belong on origami-l... and both standards are
likely to coexist for years to come.

Hans Gerwitz
SLU C&IS
gerwitz@sluaxa.slu.edu





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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 06:05:06 -0300
From: Nick Robinson <nick@tritec.demon.co.uk>
Subject: My first cuckoo clock :)

> to obfuscate the seams

lovely turn of phrase!

> the size of a good-sized real clock!  It's fooled a few people...

And it tells the correct time twice a day!

I remember my first cuckoo clock (about 8 years ago - a real PITA). It's become
slightly easier since I made a second & I'm working up courage to try a third
before I'm 50!

Nick Robinson

            ***** "Origami isn't just for squares!" *****
          www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/jwu/Origami/BOS/nickdata.html





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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 06:09:46 -0300
From: Nick Robinson <nick@tritec.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Sizing *is* important :)

Hi Jerry,

>         What the hey is "sizing?"

It's the adhesive used to hold the fibres of wood together in paper. Some
types are soluble, others not. If you wet the correct type, it dissolves the
sizing a tad & allows you to shape the paper. Upon drying, the sizing "sets" &
hey presto!

> Schuler Museum of Paleontology

Dem bones!

Nick Robinson

            ***** "Origami isn't just for squares!" *****
          www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/jwu/Origami/BOS/nickdata.html





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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 06:10:05 -0300
From: Nick Robinson <nick@tritec.demon.co.uk>
Subject: newsgroups? Not for me...

Since I access my email from work, I couldn't use newsgroups - our boss is so
scared at the potential volume of mail coming through if all our staff have
their fave newsgroups (alt.sex.hamster.sellotape, alt.rec.shoot.paper.cutters
etc) he's effectively banned newsgroups on-site.

I don't see any real advantage, threading aside. This could be circumvented by
using more explicit titles so we could delete messages unread if they didn't
appeal. You would also need to send messages specific to that topic, meaning
more, shorter mail. Sounds good to me!  We might also make efforts not to
overquote......

Anyway, if we were a newsgroup there wouldn't be all the sub/unsub fun every
other week. Those of us that overcome the technology to remain subscribed must
be fairly keen!

Nick Robinson

            ***** "Origami isn't just for squares!" *****
          www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/jwu/Origami/BOS/nickdata.html





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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 06:10:26 -0300
From: Nick Robinson <nick@tritec.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Kawasaki Rose Query

Hi,

> Could you further elucidate the idea of "drawing precreases with a knife?

Basically, it involves using the back of a knife blade to "draw" the creases
using a ruler to get them straight. If done carefully, you can then fold the
design much more easily than if you had put them in by "hand". I suspect some of
Robert's new Mac-creations may require a bit of this. All depends on the scale,
of course.

Just had to resend this, since it was rejected as unsubscribed, yet again :(

Nick Robinson

            ***** "Origami isn't just for squares!" *****
          www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/jwu/Origami/BOS/nickdata.html





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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 09:15:32 -0300
From: Richard Kennedy <KENNEDRA@ibm3090.bham.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Ligia Montoya and Patricia Crawford

The following Montoya and Crawford models can be found in Harbin's
Origami 1 (AKA Teach yourself origami), Origami 2, Origami 3 and
Origami 4:

                 Montoya                        Crawford

Origami 1        Tropical Bird 1
                 Tropical Bird 2

Origami 2        Helmet                         Seated Cat
                 Tropical Bird
                 Christmas Tree
                 Clerical Hat
                 Persian Helmet
                 Super Hat
                 Plumed Helmet

Origami 3        Dunce Cap                      Boat with Sail
                 Bird Resting                   Swan
                 Bird                           Valentine
                                                Turtle
                                                Frog on a Lily Pad

Origami 4                                       Baby Grand

My source at BOS supplies thinks that there are still some copies of
the Dutch version of Harbin's "Origami a Step-by-step Guide" in the
BOS vault. This book has many wonderful creations by P. Crawford.
BOS Supplies are managed by:

Dr. Martin Wall,
21 Kennet Close,
Grove,
Wantage,
OXFORDSHIRE  OX12 0NJ
U.K.

Handling and carriage charges come to quite a lot, I'm afraid.

Richard K.





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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 10:53:55 -0300
From: Jeannine Mosely <j9@concentra.com>
Subject: Re: Jeanine's Icosahedron

Hmm.  I showed a lot of people a lot of units and none of them were
properly icosahedra.  It's easy to get the terminology confused.
(It's all greek to me.)  I suspect the model was the cuboctahedron
from business cards.  It uses 24 cards and can be made two different
ways, either with 8 meta-modules of 3 cards each, or 6 meta-modules of
4 cards each.  You do have to be inside the model to assemble it.  I
shrink myself down to ant size and crawl around in it.  Actually, what
I really do, instead of trying to insert the last meta-module whole, I
assemble it in place, one card at a time.  If that doesn't help, write
to me directly and I'll try to give more details.

        -- jeannine ("3 n's) mosely (j9@concentra.com)





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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 10:59:34 -0300
From: Tim Rueger <rueger@areaplg2.corp.mot.com>
Subject: Re: Origami Insects and their kin

Hi, All,

>>>>> "kb" == Kim Best <Kim.Best@m.cc.utah.edu> writes:

    kb> First off, I must say any one who thinks Montroll's "Animal
    kb> Origami for the Enthusiast", should be called "Origami for the
    kb> Masecist", will no doubt call this book "Origami for the
    kb> Desperately Suicidal".  Every single model is advanced!  If you
    kb> have not mastered Montroll, don't even begin on the models in
    kb> this book.

I agree completely.  But, I'd go on to say that being able to do all of
"Origami Sea Life" (Lang and Montroll), and perhaps "Origami Zoo" (Lang
and Weiss) is a prerequisite.  The Butterfly in the new book seemingly
combines the nastiest aspects of OZ's Butterfly and OSL's Atlantic Sea
Urchin.  (I'll talk more about the Butterfly later.)

[mentions skipping past the Scorpion at the end, to the beginning...]
    kb> On a resent visit to the San Diego Zoo, I was very impressed
    kb> with the Ant's in the Origami exhibit.  I was happy to see they
    kb> were diagramed here in this book.  So I started in with a red
    kb> ten inch square.

This is *spooky* - I also did the ant first, and with a ten-inch square,
of *red* paper.  It came out really nicely.  I puffed out the abdomen
(center body section) a bit; it didn't look right flattened out.

    kb> Next off I tried the Dragonfly.
[describes folding of Dragonfly...]

I did the Sated Tick next - it's delightfully gruesome.

After that, I started at the front of the book, and I'm going thru them
one by one.  Since last Thursday evening, I've done the Treehopper, Orb
Weaver, Spotted Ladybug, Ant, Sated Tick, Tarantula, Butterfly, and
Scarab Beetle.  [I'd said in a previous message I'd been folding bugs
like crazy.  Maybe I'd better slow down a bit.]  There are a total of 20
models in the book; I'd already done the Praying Mantis from the
diagrams at the ftp archive (info.service.rug.nl), so that leaves eleven
to go.

OK, I freely admit it - I love origami pain :^).  I have the attitude
that the creator is saying to me, "Here's an insanely complicated model.
I've even told you, in very explicit terms, how to do it.  Betcha can't."

    kb> One thing I really like about this book is the way repeated step
    kb> are prominently shown, so you can look ahead and see where you
    kb> will be repeating steps.

Agreed.  I also like the occasional humor.  One step in the Butterfly
says, "This is probably the hardest step in the model (and you get to do
it six more times!).".  That kind of geek-humor thing.

    kb> One question though, Robert.  In the preface, you state that
    kb> "Someone, somewhere has folded each of these models".  Are we to
    kb> read this as someone other than yourself. Or are we to assume
    kb> that in some cases you were working completely in theory, and
    kb> were greatly releaved when someone else proved that these models
    kb> were in fact actually foldable in real life. :)

I'm encouraged by actual *photographs* of the models, whatever scale
they're folded at.

I'm sure more on this book will come up, and I've got to get back to
work.  More later...

-Tim
--
Tim Rueger             Motorola CCRL IC Design Laboratory, IL02-2921
Fax  : (708) 538-4593  Internet: rueger@areaplg2.corp.mot.com





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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 11:28:59 -0300
From: DEWIT@rulwinw.LEIDENUNIV.NL
Subject: Re: Ligia Montoya and Patricia Crawford

Date sent:      Thu, 27 Jul 1995 09:15:32 -0300
Send reply to:  origami-l@nstn.ca
From:           Richard Kennedy <KENNEDRA@ibm3090.bham.ac.uk>
Subject:        Re: Ligia Montoya and Patricia Crawford

The following Montoya and Crawford models can be found in Harbin's
Origami 1 (AKA Teach yourself origami), Origami 2, Origami 3 and
Origami 4:

                 Montoya                        Crawford

Origami 1        Tropical Bird 1
                 Tropical Bird 2

Origami 2        Helmet                         Seated Cat
                 Tropical Bird
                 Christmas Tree
                 Clerical Hat
                 Persian Helmet
                 Super Hat
                 Plumed Helmet

Origami 3        Dunce Cap                      Boat with Sail
                 Bird Resting                   Swan
                 Bird                           Valentine
                                                Turtle
                                                Frog on a Lily Pad

Origami 4                                       Baby Grand

My source at BOS supplies thinks that there are still some copies of
the Dutch version of Harbin's "Origami a Step-by-step Guide" in the
BOS vault. This book has many wonderful creations by P. Crawford.

* Since I live in the Netherlands, I will check out, if the Dutch
origami society, still offers this book. I have the info at home
since I am at work now. So you will have to wait.

Engelien de Wit
(email: DEWIT@RULWINW.Leidenuniv.NL)





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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 11:34:52 -0300
From: Rjlang@aol.com
Subject: Re: re: ants on a square

> I'm not sure how long the path of the ants is on a pursuit curve,
> but it seems longer than a side of the square.

For those who missed it, the problem was, suppose you have four ants at the
corners of a unit square. Each ant starts out heading toward the ant to its
right at a constant speed. Eventually they meet in the middle. How long is
the path traversed by each ant?

In fact, the solution is indeed exactly the length of one side of the square.
The way to see this is to look at the situation after the ant has traveled an
infinitesimal distance dx. The four ants are now at the corners of a square
(slightly rotated, which I'll call the "residual square") whose side is
(1-dx)+O(dx^2). Since for any infinitesimal distance, the sum of the distance
traveled and the side of the residual square is constant and equal to 1, this
relation must still hold when the residual square has vanished (i.e., when
the ants meet in the middle of the square). Thus, the distance traveled is
equal to the side of the square.

Robert





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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 11:41:43 -0300
From: Rjlang@aol.com
Subject: Re: Origami Insects and their kin

> One thing I really like about this book is the way repeated step are
> prominently shown, so you can look ahead and see where you will be
> repeating steps.

Thanks. If folks like that technique, I'll keep showing repeated steps that
way (the numbers of the repeated steps in a box with an arrow pointing to the
flap that gets repeated-upon).

> One question though, Robert.  In the preface, you state that "Someone,
> somewhere has folded each of these models".  Are we to read this as someone

> other than yourself. Or are we to assume that in some cases you were
> working completely in theory, and were greatly releaved when someone else
> proved that these models were in fact actually foldable in real life. :)

You think I'd waste my *own* time folding those things? <g>

Actually, since I am notorious for incorporating errors in my diagrams
as-drawn, I sent these out to several peopled for proof-folding (including at
least one member of this list). They folded all the models in the book and
also sent me lists of errors that they found so that I could fix them before
publication. (At least one minor error snuck through everyone, though, which
was pointed out to me at the convention (less than 24 hours after
publication-- argh!!!) by Matt Slayton.

Robert





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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 11:43:08 -0300
From: Rjlang@aol.com
Subject: Re: RE: ...Bloom County

> > a few years ago I sent an
> > origami Opus to the FOCA convention...
> >
> Can I possibly get a copy of the instructions for folding the
> beloved Opus?

It was published in one of the FOCA convention programs (perhaps someone who
has ready access to their old programs might look up which one); several back
issues are available from OUSA supplies.

I'd post the diagrams, but the originals were pen-and-ink (so it was probably
a pre-1989 convention).

Robert





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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 12:07:47 -0300
From: ACPQUINN@myriad.middlebury.edu
Subject: error in Last Waltz

I apologize profusely to those who sent me SASEs and to whom I sent copies of
the diagrams for the Last Waltz.  Apparently, I have screwed up the copying and
missed a page, or copied part of another model, or something.  In any case,
those who received erroneous diagrams may send me their snail-mail addresses
and _another_ request for the Last Waltz... don't worry about the money, I
screwed up.  This time I'll get it right, I promise...
I especially apologize to Mette, who was under time constraints to finish a
large number of these models.  Mette, hopefully you can infer the rest of the
model until you get the _real_ diagrams.
-Alasdair
acpquinn@myriad.middlebury.edu





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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 12:12:09 -0300
From: ACPQUINN@myriad.middlebury.edu
Subject: RE: ...Bloom County

Just a quick message :
Opus the penguin was published in the 1988 convention program, which I believe
is the earliest available from OUSA.  Go get it quick before it sells out :)
Alasdair
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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 13:07:03 -0300
From: A004773%LBVM1.profs@lbgwy.mdc.com
Subject: NO SUBJECT

 If the Origami icosahedron model you are referring to is the one built
 from 30 units, each unit looking like a pair of triangles, then the
 inverse model turns out to be a stellated dodecahedron.

 It's not too difficult to fit the last few units into place, as long as
 you are careful to prevent the rest of the model from unraveling.  A
 little Scotch Tape can help... but be sure to remove the tape when the
 model is finished.

 John Andrisan
 IBMMAIL: USMCDQND   Internet: a004773%lbvm1.profs@mdcgwy.mdc.com





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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 13:46:35 -0300
From: LEMIEUXJ@aspen.uml.EDU
Subject: French Origami Books

  While in Quebec last week, I visited various book stores looking for
Origami books. My original plan was to purchase a French version of a
book or two already in my collection.

  My plan changed when I discovered a $79.95 Canadian price tag on
Jackson's Encyclopedia. ($100 Ca equals approx. $133 US)
My original copy cost $24.95 US.

  I satisfied my curiosity regarding French language paper folding
terminology by purchasing several non-duplicate lower priced books.

  The following is a list of the books I found, and three book stores
that will accept mail or phone orders using a major credit card.

Felez-Gueit, Elyane. "PLIAGES/3 Alice au pays d'Origami".
   ISBN: 2.215.01880.1.  48 pages.  $14.50 Canadian.
Gross, Gay Merrill. "Idees de pliages en papier Origami". Edimages S. A. 1991.
   ISBN: 2-88399-022-0.   71 pages.
Harbin, Robert. "L'Art Du Pliage de Papier".
   ISBN: 2-7619-01150.   $21.95 Canadian.
Jackson, Paul & Angela A'Court.  "1000 Creations en Papier et Origami".
   ISBN: 2-203-144165.  $34.95 Canadian.
Jackson, Paul.  "L'Encyclopedie du Papier".
    ISBN: 2-215-01946-8.  $79.95 Canadian.
Kneissler, Irmgard.  "Origami no 2".  Dessain et Tolra, Paris 1989
   ISBN: 3-473-42561-3.   79 pages.  $28.95 Canadian.
"Origami Lemonde des Animaux".  Fleures.
    ISBN: 2-215-01893.3.  $36.95 Canadian.
"Origami/2 pliages en papier pour petita et grands".
    ISBN: 2-21501066.5.   $26.95 Canadian.

La librairie L'ACTION
Place Laurier
2700, Boul. Laurier
Ste-Foy, Quebec G1V 2L8
Telephone: (418) 659-1021
Telecopieur: (418) 659-2420

Librairie Garneau
Place Laurier
2700, Boul. Laurier
Ste-Foy, Quebec G1V 2L8
Telephone: (418) 653-6053
Telecopieur: (418) 653-5789

Librairiesmith
Les Promenades de la Cathedrale
625 Quest Rue Sainte-Catherine
Montreal, Quebec H3B 1B7
Telephone: (514) 289-8737

Bob
J. Robert A. Lemieux
lemieuxj@woods.uml.edu





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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 14:40:00 -0300
From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@dorsai.dorsai.org>
Subject: Icosahedron

>
>
>  If the Origami icosahedron model you are referring to is the one built
>  from 30 units, each unit looking like a pair of triangles, then the
>  inverse model turns out to be a stellated dodecahedron.
>
>  It's not too difficult to fit the last few units into place, as long as
>  you are careful to prevent the rest of the model from unraveling.  A
>  little Scotch Tape can help... but be sure to remove the tape when the
>  model is finished.
>
>  John Andrisan
>  IBMMAIL: USMCDQND   Internet: a004773%lbvm1.profs@mdcgwy.mdc.com
>
>
You may wish to try using paper clips instead of scotch tape. Makes the
model much easier to fold.

--
Sheldon Ackerman
ackerman@dorsai.dorsai.org
sheldon.ackerman@nycps.nycenet.edu





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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 14:45:48 -0300
From: Nick Robinson <nick@tritec.demon.co.uk>
Subject: trek/paramount/Batman

Sad to hear more restraints on origami by commercial companies. They certainly
know how to over-react to percieved commercial threat whilst biting the hands
that feed them. Jeff Beynon tried to have a stylised Batman published in FOCA &
they sought permission (as one should!). They sent their legal bods round trying
to get Jeffs address & slam the lawyers onto him for infringment of copyright.

Without wanting to get into an arguement, it does seem that America leads the
way in over-zelous litigation of this kind. Common-sense simply doesn't emter
into the discussion. I have a simple (pureland!) B**t S***son which I haven't
revealed for this fear. I've named it Bert Samson, but this wouldn't cut ice in
the courts. 6/7 folds & instant law-suit - crazy!

Nick Robinson

            ***** "Origami isn't just for squares!" *****
          www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/jwu/Origami/BOS/nickdata.html





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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 14:47:29 -0300
From: Nick Robinson <nick@tritec.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: re: ants on a square

How about those poor sods on the Escher image!

Nick Robinson

            ***** "Origami isn't just for squares!" *****
          www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/jwu/Origami/BOS/nickdata.html
