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Date: Sat, 15 Jul 1995 11:25:06 -0300
From: Gretchen Klotz <gren@lclark.edu>
Subject: Re: Jewelry coatings

On Thu, 13 Jul 1995 PamGotcher@aol.com wrote:

> I was wondering what
> experiences others on the list have with some of the other coatings used to
> harden up origami for jewelry.  Thanks!

Pam -

Both of your postings made it to the list.  I was waiting for someone else
to jump in since I do boxes, not jewelry.  But since no one has, I'll
offer my experience with acrylic glazes.

Mark Kennedy wrote an informative chapter on "Sealing and Preserving
Origami Models" in the OUSA publication _Decorating and Enhancing Paper
for Origami_.  In it, he details variations -- and names brand names -- on
the 3 basic methods of coating: spraying, brushing and dipping.  Dipping
is the method I've seen used most often with origami jewelry, and the one
with which I have no experience.  I would recommend purchasing the book
for more information, especially if you're serious about selling your
models.  One of the main reasons I helped organize our Portland-area
folding group (that has since lost its steam) was to have one meeting
focus on "finishing"  models -- I didn't want to have to make the
investment in materials until I'd decided which direction to pursue, and
hoped someone else had amassed great expertise on which I could draw
directly (I'm a kinesthetic/aural learner on a tight budget).  Alas, I was
the only one interested in such a thing, so I had to rely on the trial and
error method.  Even though I don't do jewelry, I hope my experiences will
be of some help to you.

The first thing I tried was spray coating my boxes with Krylon Clear
Acrylic spray paint.  I found that I couldn't control the thickness and
resultant drips, the coating was uneven, and I was not interested in
dealing with the ventilation/respiration issues.  I have abandoned this
method.

There are 2 brands of acrylic medium that I have tried.  One is Golden
Liquid Medium.  It was less expensive than Liquitex brand at the art
store, but essentially the same thing.  It made my models too sticky -- I
really had to pry the lids off the bases, and sometimes it left little
pieces of paper behind. :-(  I gave the rest of the large bottle I'd
purchased to my mother, who is an artist.  She was surprised that the
Golden was not successful for me, as their products are at the top of the
line.  Perhaps if I had diluted it with water the "too sticky" effect
would have been mitigated.  I'm too lazy, especially since I had found
something that *did* work.

Which is Home Decor brand of acrylic varnish.  I got this fairly cheap at
Ben Franklin Crafts.  It comes in matte, glossy and satin finishes.  I've
only used the glossy, but recently purchased little bottles of the others
to test.  It brushes on easily, doesn't cause sticking, and looks terrific
(IMNSHO).  So this is what I use.

One thing you should keep in mind is that different types of paper react
differently to the glazes.  I ruined a lovely box lid made out of some
chiyogami paper (heavier and softer with more fiber/texture than kami)
because it reacted to the varnish by becoming transparent.  But other
chiyogami paper I have responds well, so go figure.  Actually, go test --
*before* you make a model you really care about!  Most paper puckers
somewhat with the brush-on approach, but I don't think dipping causes as
much of a problem in this manner.

Hope this is helpful.

- Gretchen





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Date: Sat, 15 Jul 1995 13:43:07 -0300
From: PamGotcher@aol.com
Subject: Re: A Wrinkle in Time

>> P.S.  Speaking of tesselations (?) -- who has read A WRINKLE IN TIME?
 This
>> is about tesseracts, very wonderful book.  sdn
>
>
I've been wondering when someone would mention this delightful book - one of
Madeline L'Engel's best - it pops into my head any time someone speaks of
tesselations, because I've always wondered if somehow the tesselations and
the tesseracts were related.  Pam





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Date: Sat, 15 Jul 1995 15:24:10 -0300
From: Steve Vinik <z007169b@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us>
Subject: Re: crane symbol; and origami for sale

On Thurs., 13 July 1995, G. Jones wrote:

> Hi Steve,
>
> You wrote:
> and he sells origami at fairs--the dollar bill folds
> do good business because people see the paper itself as having value.
>
> Just out of curiosity (we have lots of chrismas craft shows here) how much
> do he sell them for?
>

I called my brother in California and got some more information on
marketing origami. He has had greatest success with selling dollar bill
elephants to Republicans. Although he only charges them a quarter plus
the original dollar bill, he makes them in mass quantities and realizes
a nice profit. (Democrats and donkeys don't go over nearly as well :*)

Tom also works for birthday parties, charging $20 - $30 for several hours
of teaching and entertainment.

He rents space at craft shows and sells ordinary origami at reasonable
prices: a crane for a quarter, a unicorn for $1.50. He prefers indoor
locations because the elements can wreak havoc on paper creations.

Sometimes he does summer programs for kids through the parks and whatnot.

He advertises himself by setting up complex displays of origami in local
libraries and public buildings. The name of the display is done with
individual dollar bill-size letter folds (done with lots of pleating and
very 3-D). He has been featured on several talk shows in the Davis area.

Look him up if you're in town--I live in Southeast Florida and I've never
been up to see him, though he comes here every summer.

Steve Vinik
z007169b@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us

P.S. Dollar bills make nice Christmas trees.





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Date: Sat, 15 Jul 1995 17:48:41 -0300
From: jdharris@lust.isem.smu.edu (Jerry D. Harris)
Subject: Re: Jewelry coatings

Hi All -

        In making origami earrings, as I'm occasionally wont to do 8-),  I
too have tried acrylic sprays and dips.  The Krylon is terrible -- it makes
the ink run on even regular origami paper.  The rest have a tendency to
drip or, as noted, do interesting things to the paper's opacity.

        I have settled on, though I'm not 100% satisfied with, Modge-Podge,
which isn't new, as far as I know.  It's got the raw look, feel, and smell
of Elmer's Glue, but it dries clear.  It does stiffen paper up a great
deal, though the resultant earrings are by no means crush-proof.  They
_are_ water-proof, though, which is a plus.  It dries clear, but be careful
when painting it on not to let any "glop" up in nooks and crannies, or else
it won't dry, and you'll have a white glob of Modge-Podge trapped beneath a
thin veneer of hardened stuff for all eternity.  ;-)

        Modge-Podge also can cause ink to run, but, in my experience, only
if you keep painting over the same surface repeatedly (this seems to be
especially true on reds and greens, don't ask me why!).  If you paint it on
quickly enough, it doesn't harm a thing.

Jerry D. Harris
Schuler Museum of Paleontology
Southern Methodist University
jdharris@lust.isem.smu.edu
        (Compuserve:  73132,3372)

---------/O\------*     --->|:|:|>     w___/^^^\--o

Humorous Quote Is Forthcoming...

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Date: Sun, 16 Jul 1995 01:06:22 -0300
From: William Anstine <cptcobel@yrkpa.kias.com>
Subject: ROSETESS.PS printing problems

I've been having rouble getting ROSETESS.PS to print on an HP Laserjet
4SL.. anyone else having problems with that particular file?

Cpt.





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Date: Sun, 16 Jul 1995 01:43:23 -0300
From: bryan@sgl.ists.ca (Bryan Feir)
Subject: Re: spam prevention (was Re: french nuclear tests)

>           Just a quick question... where did the term "spam" in this
>           instance come from?  I don't know the reference.

   It comes from a Monty Python sketch.  "Spam, eggs and spam, lovely
spam, spammity spam..."  With vikings just singing 'spam' over again
for no apparent reason.  It's become the general term on the net for
postings with lots of noise and no real information content.

   Anyway, as for vocations, place me on the 'computer programmer' end
of things...

   Let's see, origami related material... what's people's suggestions
for material if you want something transparent, say to make something
that looks like a gem?

---------------------------+---------------------------------------------------
Bryan Feir           VE7GBF|"You also ask, 'How fares my love across the sea?'
bryan@sgl.ists.ca          | Intermediate, I presume.  She would hardly travel
                           | steerage."               -- Stephen Leacock





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Date: Sun, 16 Jul 1995 11:30:16 -0300
From: casida@ere.umontreal.ca (Casida Mark)
Subject: Re: origami for sale

I read some where that street vendors in ancient Japan sold
origami.  More exactly that you could request them to fold
something for you, which seems a lot more interesting than
selling the finished product.  Has anyone tried this approach?
Since a lot of the magic is in the folding process, perhaps
we should call this the "origami-magician approach."

                       ... Mark

--
*-------------------------------------------------------*
|          Mark E. Casida                               |
|          e-mail: casida@chimcn.umontreal.ca           |





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Date: Sun, 16 Jul 1995 14:54:26 -0300
From: marmonk@eskimo.com (Mark Morden)
Subject: Re: Jewelry coatings

>On Thu, 13 Jul 1995 PamGotcher@aol.com wrote:
>
>> I was wondering what
>> experiences others on the list have with some of the other coatings used to
>> harden up origami for jewelry.  Thanks!

The best coating I have found is "Joli Glaze" made by Joli Plastics and
Chemical Corporation.  It is available in craft stores.  They also sell a
thinner so that the thickness of the coating can be controlled.  The label
doesn't say what Joli Glaze actually is.  I think it is a resin.  It dries
to a clear hard finish.  No bubbles. I usually brush on a thinned, base coat
and then a second heavier coat after the first dries.  The coating also
gives the jewelry some reinforcement and strength.  I have tried dipping but
don't like to have to deal with dried drips and runoff.

I have used acrylics and polyurthanes, and Joli Glaze leaves them in the dust.

Mark Morden == marmonk@mail.eskimo.com
--------------------------------------------------------
I believe in Christianity as I belive in the rising sun;
not because I see it but by it I see all else.
                                           C.S. Lewis





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Date: Sun, 16 Jul 1995 15:19:44 -0300
From: wdawes@cs.nmsu.edu ("Iron Will" Dawes)
Subject: origami peddlers

With profound wisdom, infinite insight and unparallelled studliness, Casida
     Mark writes:
-->
-->I read some where that street vendors in ancient Japan sold
-->origami.  More exactly that you could request them to fold
-->something for you, which seems a lot more interesting than
-->selling the finished product.  Has anyone tried this approach?
-->Since a lot of the magic is in the folding process, perhaps
-->we should call this the "origami-magician approach."
-->
-->                       ... Mark
-->
Mark-
  That depends on what you mean by "ancient Japan". During the
Tokugawa period (early 17th to middle 18th centuries), Japanese
prostitues would fold a frog and pin it on the pillar at their "island
of pleasure" when their favorite customer "visited" them. Prior to
this, origami was strictly ceremonial, as paper was very expensive. If
there were Japanese selling origami in the streets, it would have had
to have been during more recent times.
                              -Will
P.S. Speaking of origami magicians, Harry Houdini authored one of the
first origami books in English.





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Date: Sun, 16 Jul 1995 15:25:28 -0300
From: wdawes@cs.nmsu.edu ("Iron Will" Dawes)
Subject: transparent folding material

  Bryan Feir asked for people's suggestions on transparent folding
material. I, too, would be very interested in hearing your ideas. I've
tried transparent sheet wrapping paper from a hobby store, but it
doesn't stay folded very well. I saw a beautiful model by David Brill
(I think) in "Origami for the Connoisseur", by Kasahara and Takahama,
which was a flower inside a bottle. Again, if anyone has any
suggestions, please let me know. Thanks!
                              -Will





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Date: Sun, 16 Jul 1995 15:56:24 -0300
From: wdawes@cs.nmsu.edu ("Iron Will" Dawes)
Subject: 4-D origami

With profound wisdom, infinite insight and unparallelled studliness, Casida
     Mark writes:
-->Do I remember hearing something about designing origami in
-->4-dimensions?  Who does this?  Are the final pieces 4-dimensional
-->(hence not foldable by us mere mortals) or is the 4th dimension a
-->trick to simplify design at some intermediate stage?
-->
-->                            ... Mark
-->
Mark-
  Hey! Einsteinian physicists like to say that time is the 4th
dimension, but many mathematicians (including myself, as a wannabe
mathematician) don't agree. Temperature, as well, has been referred to
as "the fourth dimension". I suppose that depends on your definition
of "dimension". Even if it were, however, it is not conceivable to
make an origami design a function of time or temperature. All origami,
therefore, lives in R^3, or three-dimensional space. Four-dimensional
origami is, in theory, possible. First of all, note that a square is
two-dimensional (consider the thickness of the paper to be
negligible). When it is folded in a certain way, it becomes
three-dimensional. It is still, however, "homeomorphic" to a square.
In other words, its identity surface (the figure from which it was
constructed) is only two-dimensional, so any point on the origami
surface can be described by its position on the 2-D square from which
it was constructed, even though it is 3-D. As you know, a Mobius strip
is constructed by taking a rectangle, twisting it once and connecting
it end-to-end. There is a figure called a Klein bottle which is
constructed by doing the same thing (almost) with a cylinder. The
Mobius strip (which is homeomorphic to a 2-D object) cannot exist in
2-D space, because it would "pass thru" itself. Similarly, the Klein
bottle, which is homeomorphic to a 3-D object, cannot exist in 3-D
space because it "passes thru" itself. The Klein bottle is, therefore,
a four dimensional object. So, there is a formula for constructing a
4-D origami model; however, its construction (as with any 4-D model in
3-D space) would violate the law of impenetrability ("Matter cannot
exist in the same place at the same time...").
                              -Will
P.S. Some might argue that, since the Klein bottle is formed from a
cyclinder rather than a flat peice of paper, it is not origami. No
problem; the Steiner surface, which is sort of a concentric potato
chip turning in on itself, is also a 4-D object. It is homeomorphic to
a rectangle with a circle attached to it, which is still 2-D. If you
want, you can show your origami designs to a physicist and tell
him/her that time is passing, so the model is moving in the fourth
dimension. HA HA! Also, please be careful listening to me; I'm not
very knowledgeable about these things and could very easily be wrong.
For a more thorough discussion (if you have the intestinal fortitude),
ask someone with a math degree who has studied algebraic topology or
manifold calculus.

P.P.S. "A Wrinkle in Time" was an excellent book.

_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
_/                                              _/
_/      "In origami, crossing the divide is a   _/
_/       spiritual act. Is the model immanent   _/
_/       in the paper, or is the square a       _/
_/       blank slate to be written on by the    _/
_/       creator? Does each model possess a     _/
_/       set of phylogenetic rules governing    _/
_/       its shape and structure? In the        _/
_/       morphogenesis of the model, how do     _/
_/       local(cellular) and global(organismic) _/
_/       structures meet? Like natural          _/
_/       selection - or God - does the folder   _/
_/       impose a teleology on a blind,         _/
_/       mechanical process? The answers are    _/
_/       remote and elusive - as elusive as     _/
_/       the origin of life."                   _/
_/                  -M.C. Escher    _/





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Date: Sun, 16 Jul 1995 20:25:15 -0300
From: BPearl9659@aol.com
Subject: Re: Origami Poem English/French

Sorry to catch up so late, but could you please send me a copy of your poem
2.  Thank you, Barbara





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Date: Sun, 16 Jul 1995 22:53:23 -0300
From: DBSH47B@prodigy.com (MRS. JANET J HAMILTON)

-- [ From: Janet Hamilton * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --

> From: Sharynn@aol.com          \ America On-Line: (SharynN)
> P.S.  Speaking of tesselations (?) -- who has read A WRINKLE IN TIME?
> This is about tesseracts, very wonderful book.  sdn

I've had the opportunity recently to re-read many of of my childhood
favorites to my children.  _A Wrinkle in Time_ was on the list (along
with _The Chronicles of Narnia_, _The Phantom Tollbooth_, and others).
I never thought about the connection between tesseracts and
tesselations, but now that you mention it, the explanation in the book
("imagine and ant walking from one point to another along the hem of a
dress...") sounds suspiciously like the proof Tom Hull used in his
lecture at the convention for some formulas related to flat origamis
("imagine an ant walking back and forth along the pleats of a flat
origami...")

Janet Hamilton





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Date: Sun, 16 Jul 1995 23:14:53 -0300
From: barber@usis.com (Alex Barber)
Subject: New section on my web site

Those of you with world wide web access may be interested to know that I've
added a new section in my pages for the 1995 Origami USA Convention.

The URL to my page is http://www.usis.com/~barber

The URL to the convention section is
http://www.usis.com/~barber/origami/Ousa95.html

I hope everyone will take a look.

Alex Barber

barber@usis.com | http://www.printnet.com/abarber/barber.html
                  http://www.usis.com/~barber

I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or
numbered.  My life is my own.





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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 00:45:20 -0300
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: ROSETESS.PS printing problems

William Anstine replied:

<<It is a network HP, and other postscript files (I printed LEAF) print
fine..  Could it be that there is something peculiar about the Genericadd
6 flavor of postscript?

We're running a PC Novell Network...
>>
As I said in my first reply: Lots of printer drivers & programs on PCs make
"strange" PostScript files
that are not guaranteed to print on everything. Maarten & I thought we had this
one fixed. Part of Wm.'s
problem with the file (I'm not denying that the file has a problem mind you) is
that printing over the
network to the big HP printer is kind of finicky: You can't just dump it direct
to the printer as a binary
file (what we do at work) and the Postscript header info has to be just right
for the LaserJet to
recognize that its got to shift into PostScript for this particular file.
similarly the "footer" to the PS file
has to have the right stuff or the LaserJet doesn't know when to quit and go to
another job.

I'm not a postscript expert, but I will try to tinker with this somemore and see
if we can get something
more universally printable. The source program is what I've got right now,
sorry. All I can suggest is
that you open it in a text editor and compare the beginning and end of the file
to one you have no trouble
printing and change or add ps commands to match. Otherwise, if you have access
to a desktop
publishing or graphics program that can import or convert EPS or PS Postscript
page files, try opening it in
that. CorelDraw5 imported this one as a vanilla PS file even before Maarten
added the "show page" to
the end.

I'm sorry people are having trouble with it. Maybe if I get some time I can
convert it to GIF or something.

--valerie
Compuserve: Valerie Vann 75070,304
Internet: 75070.304@compuserve.com
Internet: valerivann@aol.com





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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 10:17:18 -0300
From: Lillian Sun <Lillian_Sun@mail.amsinc.com>
Subject: Re[2]: origami for sale

          I have done the "folding by request" route, and I think it's
          true that people enjoy watching how you fold something.
          Unless you have a CREW of people folding, it is hard to
          keep up with people's requests (I had a team of five
          people, and we each "specialized" in certain folds).  The
          only thing is, we didn't do it for money, but for a
          cultural
          exhibition.   Somehow, I think that if people saw what I
          did, they would think it's too easy and quick to be worth
          much, and therefore be less willing to buy it.  Also, the
          folds that I tend to demonstrate are usually very simple
          (cranes, pandas, frogs), and the people who take them
          probably don't keep them forever, anyway....

          Just my two cents.  Thanx, too, for the "spam" info.  I do
          know that sketch!  I was guessing that SPAM was an acronym
          for something, like Sending a Plethora of Annoying Messages
          or something.  Oh well!

          Cheers,
          Lillian





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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 10:52:16 -0300
From: "SCOTT BEDRICK, O:BEDRIS, DDA.ID:PFIZER.BEDRIS, P:PFIZER, A:, C:"
      <BEDRIS@pfizer.com>
Subject: Re: Spring proportions

     I did a little math and I think that the optimal proportions for
     Spring into Action are:

     H=2pi(L/12)

     H is the height and L is the length of the paper.

     Check it out and see if it works!

     Scott Bedrick
     bedris@pfizer.com

______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Spring proportions
Author:  origami-l (INTERNET.origami) at GLOBAL
Date:    7/7/95 11:44 AM

In your message dated Thursday 6, July 1995 you wrote :

> At work, there's a metric Boston guillotine-type cutter (about 30cm by 40
> cm) that comes in handy when I have to cut something with weird
> dimensions/proportions (like "Spring Into Action").

Spring into action will work from a variety of proportions - it's not dependant
on the geometry.....

Nick Robinson

***** "Origami isn't just for squares!" *****





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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 11:59:46 -0300
From: hull@hypatia.math.uri.edu
Subject: RE: origami peddlers and 4D folding

Hey-lo, paper lovers!

Re: origami peddlers etc.
        Will mentioned the story (as told in Honda's _World of Origami_)
of the Japanese prostitute who pins an origami frog to her door,
symbolising her wish for her patron to never return home.  While I'm
no historian and I cannot read a gram of Japanese, Toshi Aoyagi
of Toronto has told me that in an issue of ORU magazine there
was an article about origami history (written in Japanese).
In it the author claims that this prostitute story is FALSE.
Apparently the story which this pinned frog comes from is a
classic Japanese yarn, and the way classic yarns were preserved in
the 18th and 19th centuries was by having some artisan or monk
recopy some crumbling manuscript by hand.  In doing this the author
of this article claims that one of the ancient Japanese scribes
made a mistake somewhere - that the *original* story did NOT refer
to this pinned frog as a paper frog.  I probably shouldn't spread
new rumors like this - for all I know the Japanese article could
also be mistaken (or at least I should have it translated and read it
myself).  But I thought I'd just make the comment.
        And then the next question is, or course, what kind of frog
WAS it?  A real frog?  Hmmm ...

Re: 4-D folding
        Yes, a number of Japanese origamists have investigated
4 dimensional folding.  At the 2nd Origami Science Meeting last
December Kazuo Miyazaki presented a video of a 4D box "unfolding".
Of course, what we saw were merely 3D projections of this virtual
4D box unfolding, but it looked quite spiffy.  It reminded me of
Thomas Banchoff's 4D math videos.
        But the real leader in this type of virtual origami is
Toshikazu Kawasaki.  He's studied not only 4D folding, but folding
"paper" in all higher dimensions.  His paper "On Higher Dimensional
Origami" described this.
        Basically, here's what he does:  In 3D land we take a sheet of
paper (which is 2D) and make a crease, which itself is a 1 dimensional
line.  Thus to "fold" a 2D sheet of paper we reflect half of the paper
along a 1D line.  (Folding the paper over is the same as "reflecting"
it about the crease line.)  Now just extend this concept to one higher
dimension.  If we had a sheet of "3D paper" (which you should think of
as simply 3D space, in the same was that 2D paper is merely 2D space)
we could "fold" this 3D paper by reflecting half of it along a
"2D line".  That is, think of a 3D cube, which will be our "paper".
A "2D crease" would be any slice of this cube.  (Imagine giving the
cube a karate chop. The "slice" that your hand makes is the 2D "crease".)
Then reflecting part of the cube through this slice would be the act
of "folding" the cube.  It really is just the perfect analouge of folding
knocked up one dimension.
        BUT when we fold real paper the sheet isn't supposed to rip through
itself, right?  Well, when we "fold" this 3D cube we * are not * ripping
the cube either - that is, IF we consider this "folding" process as
occurring in 4 dimensional space!  So this is Kawasaki's concept of
4D folding.  Try it yourself!  (Yes, that IS a joke.)
        The amazing thing, though, is that Kawasaki is also able to
create higher dimensional versions of his "Kawasaki Theorem" as well!
This creates a kind of continuity between folding, no matter what dimension
you're in!
        Well, I hope that wasn't too boring.  But I'd always much rather
write about origami-math that work on my thesis...

----------------- Tom "muck-a-lucks" Hull





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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 13:22:19 -0300
From: REThib@aol.com
Subject: RE: jewelry coating

In answer to a question posted about what can be used to harden origami
jewelry, I have used a paste called 'Mod Podge' in the past. It should be
available at any craft supply store. You brush it on, using one or two coats.
One downside is that the brush strokes can can leave a pattern, so you'll
want to be careful in how you apply it.

I hope this helps.
Bob





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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 13:38:39 -0300
From: Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>
Subject: RE: origami peddlers and 4D folding

On Mon, 17 Jul 1995 hull@hypatia.math.uri.edu wrote:

>       Will mentioned the story (as told in Honda's _World of Origami_)
> of the Japanese prostitute who pins an origami frog to her door,
> symbolising her wish for her patron to never return home.  While I'm
> no historian and I cannot read a gram of Japanese, Toshi Aoyagi
> of Toronto has told me that in an issue of ORU magazine there
> was an article about origami history (written in Japanese).
> In it the author claims that this prostitute story is FALSE.
> Apparently the story which this pinned frog comes from is a
> classic Japanese yarn, and the way classic yarns were preserved in
> the 18th and 19th centuries was by having some artisan or monk
> recopy some crumbling manuscript by hand.  In doing this the author
> of this article claims that one of the ancient Japanese scribes
> made a mistake somewhere - that the *original* story did NOT refer
> to this pinned frog as a paper frog.  I probably shouldn't spread
> new rumors like this - for all I know the Japanese article could
> also be mistaken (or at least I should have it translated and read it
> myself).  But I thought I'd just make the comment.
>       And then the next question is, or course, what kind of frog
> WAS it?  A real frog?  Hmmm ...

A possible origin of all of this is the fact that the word for "frog" and
the word for "return" (that is, "come back") are homonyms in Japanese
("kaeru"). The frog was pinned in the hopes that the patron would return. I
believe (and I have no proof of this) that some stores in Japan will give
out origami frogs to encourage their customers to return.

Joseph Wu      <jwu@cs.ubc.ca> | Witty quote is now back to the
Master's Student               |   drawing board due to squeamish
University of British Columbia |   readers. Any suggestions?
WWW: http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/jwu/origami.html (Origami Page)





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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 14:54:37 -0300
From: CM2018@aol.com
Subject: wondering

I am wondering If someone could send me a list of all the origami sites with
diagrams. thanx to whoever does.





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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 15:38:59 -0300
From: Stefan Gumhold Geomod WS94/95 <sgumhold@gris.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de>
Subject: excuse, 2points on 2lines

Hi,

sorry for the junk mail. If I could revoke this mail, I would. I hope you
accept my excuse, as it was the first and last chain letter I will ever
send to any one.

Half a year ago I posted, that I wanted to implement an origami-program
being able to fold any 2D-model (no 3D-models and no 4D-models yet). As
Joseph Wu told me it is a very difficult job. He is right and I think I
will have to spend at least a year of spare time on it. But I think I
have the idea to realize reverse folds with which you can express rabit
ear folds, petal folds, special press folds.

As all of you know, there are only about 6 ways (depends on what you
define as different constructions) to construct a crease. As I want to
impement folding, I have to compute the creases. As often in life the
rarely used construction is also the most difficult to compute - to fold
two different points of a face onto two non parallel lines. I spent one
week on this problem and got only one solution with a polynomial equation
of degree 3 at the end. Thus it is solved but the solution is not very
satisfying. As there where some attempts to implement folding programs, I
wanted to know if anyone has a more satisfying solution.

STE





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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 16:13:25 -0300
From: Richard Kennedy <KENNEDRA@ibm3090.bham.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: transparent folding material

I think the Brill bottle was folded from cellophane, which can be
obtained through craft shops in the UK. I've never tried folding it,
I think it's rather unforgiving, if you make any mistakes. One of the
people who goes to a group that meets in Nottingham did bring a bottle,
complete with a Crawford 3-masted ship, to a meeting a couple of months
ago. The next meeting is not till October, can you wait that long for
more information?

Richard Kennedy.





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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 16:24:42 -0300
From: Richard Kennedy <KENNEDRA@ibm3090.bham.ac.UK>
Subject: Re: Spring proportions

What is your definition of optimal?
Richard K.





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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 17:36:55 -0300
From: Jack.Thomas.Weres@att.com
Subject: Re: Vocation

> What other vocations do folks on this list have?

i'd have to say that i'm a word-artist
who daylights as a software engineer
                                    (to bring home the bacon
                                     so to speak)

i've been devoting more time to remembering models and how to fold them;
all in the name of entertaining myself and others

---

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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 19:18:53 -0300
From: Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@pipeline.com>
Subject: excuse, 2points on 2lines

On Mon, 17 Jul 1995 Stefan Gumhold Geomod WS94/95
<sgumhold@gris.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> said:

>Half a year ago I posted, that I wanted to implement an origami-program
being
>able to fold any 2D-model (no 3D-models and no 4D-models yet). As Joseph
Wu
>told me it is a very difficult job. He is right and I think I will have to

>spend at least a year of spare time on it. But I think I have the idea to

>realize reverse folds with which you can express rabit ear folds, petal
folds,
>special press folds.
>
>As all of you know, there are only about 6 ways (depends on what you
define as
>different constructions) to construct a crease. As I want to impement
folding,
>I have to compute the creases. As often in life the rarely used
construction is
>also the most difficult to compute - to fold two different points of a
face
>onto two non parallel lines. I spent one week on this problem and got only
one
>solution with a polynomial equation of degree 3 at the end. Thus it is
solved
>but the solution is not very satisfying. As there where some attempts to
>implement folding programs, I wanted to know if anyone has a more
satisfying
>solution.
>

A few years back, Robert Lang gave a demonstration of such a program at an
Origami USA (then FOCA), convention. The program was in the works at the
time, and if I remember correctly, the user could form reverse folds on the
screen. It was very impresive to watch, but I wasn't sure what the
practical applications of such a program would be. As far as origami is
concerned, Roberts Treemaker program (which comes up with crease patterns
to form the stick figures that you feed in to it), is much more usefull.

Marc





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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 19:27:31 -0300
From: AFAAndy@aol.com
Subject: Re: transparent folding material

I have folded Brill's Bottle. What I used is a little strange I guess.

When I was in school working on an Elementary Ed degree we used to laminate
everything. There was always a few feet of lamination at the beginning and
the end that was just scrap. I would raid the scrap bins and get all the
larger pieces and use that.

I'm not really sure what sort of plastic it is but works fairly well. It's
forgiving and it's kinda springy. If your model has places where it locks
together it can make some nice translucent pieces.

Andy





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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 19:33:56 -0300
From: "Londono, Juancarlos (3421)" <J.LONDONO@CGNET.COM>
Subject: Re:  VOCATION

I am a Biologist working as a training materials producer (desktop publisher
and multimedia) in a International Center for Tropical Agriculture (CIAT) in
Colombia, South America.

J.LONDONO@CGNET.COM





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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 06:25:03 -0300
From: Winson Chan <winsonc@sfu.ca>
Subject: 4-D Origami

I haven't done any 4-D origami, but I've experimented with something I call
non-Euclidian origami.  Essentailly I started with a piece of paper than
cannot lie on a plane.  What I did was take a square, made a cut (sorry,
I know that's a bad word) half way down, and taped a another square, 1/4
the area, into it's place.

------------
|          |
|          |
|     =====|  <- cut half way down   ------  insert smaller square into cut
|          |                         |    |
|          |                         |    |
------------                         ------

What you get is a five sided square, each angle is 90 degrees, and the five
sides are the same length.  The only difference is that there is 450 degrees
around the point in the center.  The only thing I've done with it so far
is a rose, which now has 5 petals on the side, instead of four.

Has anyone else tried this?
--
Winson Chan
Electronic Engineering
Simon Fraser University
Burnaby, Canada





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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 13:14:10 -0300
From: James Coleman <jamesc@s3dub.ie>
Subject: Other stuff and Re:  excuse, 2points on 2lines

STE says:
 > sorry for the junk mail. If I could revoke this mail, I would. I hope you
 > accept my excuse, as it was the first and last chain letter I will ever
 > send to any one.
Wow! I think that's very nice of you. (to apologise that is) Most other
mailing lists or newsgroups erupt into flames and counter-flames until
any reference to the original subject has been forgotten.
I have actually seen that message about 6 times this week. The names on
each were totally different so I'd hate to be the people keeping track of it.
Their sys-admins should be very happy to see the numerous replies and
complaints to their accounts (NOT!).

 >
 > Half a year ago I posted, that I wanted to implement an origami-program
 > being able to fold any 2D-model (no 3D-models and no 4D-models yet). As
 > Joseph Wu told me it is a very difficult job. He is right and I think I
 > will have to spend at least a year of spare time on it. But I think I
 > have the idea to realize reverse folds with which you can express rabit
 > ear folds, petal folds, special press folds.
4D?? ulp, yikes!   I can just about survive thinking about rendering
flat-folded models. When they go 3D my brain can handle it but gets a bit
intimidated. Now you say 4D??? (RUN AWAY (VERY FAST)).

 >
 > As all of you know, there are only about 6 ways (depends on what you
 > define as different constructions) to construct a crease. As I want to
 > impement folding, I have to compute the creases. As often in life the
 > rarely used construction is also the most difficult to compute - to fold
 > two different points of a face onto two non parallel lines. I spent one
 > week on this problem and got only one solution with a polynomial equation
 > of degree 3 at the end. Thus it is solved but the solution is not very
 > satisfying. As there where some attempts to implement folding programs, I
 > wanted to know if anyone has a more satisfying solution.
You probably won't like this but.... do it numerically???

Somebody posted instructions on how to trisect an angle a while ago here
and I had great fun figuring out how to do it 1. on paper, 2. mathematically
with the help of my PC. I had great fun with this curve which came from
-infinity a bit above the x-axis, did a loop around the origin and then
shot off to +infinity. This came from plonking one point on one line, and
plotting the resultant position of the other point. The intersection of the
curve with the line was the position needed.

The curve can be used on paper (with pencil and compass) to trisect the
angle...a bit like drawing a parabola or ellipses (only it's been a while
since I did technical-drawing in school). It strikes me that this isn't widely
known.....or am I wrong???  Some pretty neat exam questions could be invented
from this methinks. (evil grin and cackle)

I was thinking (note: thinking means I'll probably never get around to
doing anything about it) about origami programs and displays of diagrams
which would animate the folds. Doing everything mathematically and solving
for exact points is going to be pretty painful. Starting with a grid of
points representing a sheet and applying simple translations etc. to all
of them might look interesting? Do you think?

Anyway, If I ever go any further on this I'll let people know.....even if
I make a total hash of it, it may produce some interesting squiggles on
screen.
 >
 > STE
 >
 >

Vocation: Recently graduated Computer Engineer (i.e. Software engineeer who
did electronics too). Now working on GSM. (European mobile phones, that is)
Origami is one of my more wholesome hobbies. It works everywhere. I've also
been known to take crowds of scouts wandering in hills, play softball (I'm
getting better, really I AM!), terrorise motorists on my bike and getting
wet and freezing cold and terrified (more commonly known as canoeing,
windsurfing, surfing and dingy-sailing) in smallish quantities.
Age? I'm just turned 22 but no comment shall be made on mental age please.

Oh yeah, one more thing: SPAM

Spiced Pork And Ham

- alt.spam (newsgroup)
- each year, 100 million pounds (45 million kg) of SPAM are sold around
  the world.
- Each second, 3.8 cans of the product are consumed by more than 60 million
  Americans who eat the canned meat.
- The church of SPAM: Michael Martak, Pontiff of SPAM, One Canton Rd. #16,
                      North Quincy, MA 02171

(Now I have to ask forgiveness for non-related-to-origami-waffle)

This actually reminds me of something I was thinking about lately. I had
just got the "penultimate polyhedra" file about making various regular
solids with modulars and was happily absorbed in dodecahedroning and
rhombitruncatedoctahedroning and having great fun but does anyone know
of models for simple curved shapes???  I don't think I've ever seen
cylinders rendered from folded paper, cones yes but no cylinders.
A sphere would probably be too much for anybody so I won't even think of
asking...altho any head-shape should contribute to its development.

How does SPAM remind me of this you ask??? Tins!

Bye bye.
James Coleman (jamesc@s3dub.ie)   (back after a long lurk)





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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 17:19:50 -0300
From: chiug@cognos.com (Grace Chiu)
Subject: Re: ROSETESS.PS printing problems

I printed ROSETESS.PS to a HP LaserJet 4Si MX simply by using the DOS command
  COPY ROSETESS.PS LPT1:

It came out fine.  We have a Windows NT LAN, and the printer is wired with
Ethernet and TCP/IP.  We've also got VMS, MPE/iX, UNIX (Sun, HP, DEC, IBM, ...),
and Macintosh going to it.  The only gripe is that it came out on the back of
the header page because we have duplexing on.  Ooh... saved .0000001 of a tree.

So, Valerie, the diagram is most excellent and I like the font.  I've been
twisting and pinching and twirling around this semi-mangled piece of paper.
What's this supposed to end up looking like?  (Yes, I know, a rose, but ...
I've never actually seen the Jackson encyclopedia or the Kawasaki piece that
you refer to.) Any chance of uploading a little gif photo?

Thanks

Grace
---
Grace Chiu, Enslavened Manager, Technology Support Services,
Cognos Inc.: Rubberneckers on the Information Super-Dirt Road
Ottawa, ON 1-800-365-3968, ext. 3218.





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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 20:21:17 -0300
From: Nick Robinson <nick@tritec.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: transparent folding material

I once quizzed Dave Brill about his transparent material, it was some kind of
thin acetate used for protecting library books, as I recall. I once made a
triangular transparent bootle & was miffed to find he'd done that already!
The problem I found with thicker material (aside from folding, where the creases
become opaque) is that it attracts dust like nobodies business!

BTW, his book "Brilliant Origami" is finished & awaits publication by a Japanese
company. I've seen the material & it is WONDERFUL. For me, Dave represents the
perfect marriage of technique allied to (but never dominating) artistry.

Nick Robinson

            ***** "Origami isn't just for squares!" *****
          www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/jwu/Origami/BOS/nickdata.html





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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 20:26:43 -0300
From: Nick Robinson <nick@tritec.demon.co.uk>
Subject: decorative folding

Here's a bit from a rejected book I prepared, thought I'd share it with you..

DECORATIVE FOLDING
When beginners begin to fold creatively, they instinctively apply the same folds
in turn to each corner of a square. This usually tends to produce flowers,
stars, boxes or decorations, hence their relative profusion inthe world of
origami.

It has often been said that successful functional designs possess a beauty of
their own, and the same is true of origami. Dishes, boxes and containers,
usually based around the solving of a folding problem (how to "lock" the sides
ofthe box together) often have a purity of design which makes them attractive in
their own right. This is especially true of multi-piece folds; by using
different coloured paper (or even the coloured/white sides) many fascinating and
beautiful patterns can be made.

Decorative folding often makes use of extensive pre-creasing; creases are added
to the paper in the first few steps but not actually used until later. This
allows for particularly accurate folding, since the creases are often
made through a single layer and so can be located more precisely.

Some folders dislike precreasing, feeling that the folding sequence should flow
in a positive way rather than repeatedly folding and opening again. Others enjoy
the logical regime of precreasing with its inherent precision and economy of
folding. Dr. Philip Shen of Hong Kong makes extensive use of precreasing in his
work; the actual "assembly" of his folds being brief compared to the preparatory
steps. There are certain folds however, for which precreasing is essential;
particularly with three dimensional folds where it would be impractical to add
new creases during the latter stages of assembly.

Unlike living subjects, decorative origami is one area where you can really
experiment with different paper such as foil, day-glo or christmas wrapping
paper. Having said this, you should try to be sensitive to the needs of the
design; a brightly coloured paper which would suit a hanging decoration would
not be appropriate for a delicate dish.

If you are making folds to display, it sometimes helps to reinforce potential
weak areas with glue or sellotape; the restrictions of "pure" origami are
generally relaxed a litle for display purposes.

Nick Robinson

            ***** "Origami isn't just for squares!" *****
          www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/jwu/Origami/BOS/nickdata.html





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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 22:53:18 -0300
From: jpolish@usa.pipeline.com (Jan Polish)
Subject: Unit Origami Convention

     There will be an article in the next Origami USA newsletter, but I
     thought that people on the list might like advance warning:

     One of the people at the Origami USA convention was Masatsugu
     Tsutsumi, who has started a branch of Nippon Origami Association on
     Kyushu, the large island at the base of Japan. He told us that they
     were planning a convention on November 25-26 in Nagasaki on "Unit
     Origami and Origami Unity." Tomoko Fuse will be their special guest.
     They also plan to have a large exhibition of modular origami, which
     will be judged and prizes awarded. The items do not need to be
     original creations.

     Anyone who is interested in sending items for exhibition can send them

     to Masatsugu Tsutsumi, 158-1 Yamakawa-machi, Kurume city, Fukuoka
     Pref., 830 Japan. If you have questions, you might want to contact his

     wife, Linda Chartrand, who will be in Canada until October. Her
     address is 7500 Joseph-Renaud Appt. 212, Anjou, Quebec H1K 3V6,
     Canada. Her telephone and fax number is 514-355-4409.

                             Jan





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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 23:22:07 -0300
From: "BOB T. LYNCH" <blynch@du.edu>
Subject: transparent folding materials

Hi all -

I posted a personal e-mail to the originator of the question, but since there
seems to be quite a bit of interest in the subject, I'll throw in my 2 cents

I did David Brill's Bottle (for Patricia Crawford's 3 Masted Ship no less)
with some cellophane I found at my locals craft store. I'm afraid the original
wrapper is gone, but I seem to remember a Scotsman playing a bagpipe on the
wrapper - don't ask me why, perhaps the name will have something to do with it!
I found it fairly easy to work with (I used a square that was the same dimen-
sion of the cellophane and it made it it LITTLE bit floppy, you really had to
be patient with it (although I survived and I am not know for my patience!).
Once the bottom was folded, it stood up fairly well. I thought it was really
interesting to be able to see all the layers through the bottle. It comes in
a myriad of coloras - clear, pastels, and vibrant colors. I think it is
     primarily
used to wrap fruit and gift baskets with, so it is either found in the cake
decorating/food section or the wrapping paper section of the store. I liked it.

I have tried working with acetate, too. The stuff I used was the sheets that
teachers use for overhead projectors (or anyone else that needs to do a
presentation on an overhead). After folding it the first time and realizing
I would have all these horrendous opaque creases in it, I used a water soluable
marker (like you use for a temporary presentation on an overhead projector)
and ruledd all the "essential" creases onto it - folds that were preliminary
creases or markers for other creases, I just didn't fold. I made it a little
easier on myself and did it on paper the same size as the acetate I was folding
and used it as a map... It was much harder to work with than the thinner
cellophane and a lot less forgiving. I made a small bottle for a Christmas
tree ornament (I don't remember whose tree I made it for, if you're out there
please let us know how it survived, and is holding up [I haven't folded any
more acetate... too lazy to go through all that again!  ;-)  ])

Dee

PS the cellpohane also comes in some iridescent colors, too.





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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 13:20:14 -0300
From: "Bimal R. Desai" <bdesai@emory.edu>
Subject: Re: 4-D Origami

John Montroll has designed an origami five sided square which he uses to
make a crane with two legs.  The "square" lies flat as a funky
preliminary base but is, as you noted, impossible to open completely.  I
think the model appears in "Animal Origami for the Enthusiast".

-Bimal

On Tue, 18 Jul 1995, Winson Chan wrote:

> I haven't done any 4-D origami, but I've experimented with something I call
> non-Euclidian origami.  Essentailly I started with a piece of paper than
> cannot lie on a plane.  What I did was take a square, made a cut (sorry,
> I know that's a bad word) half way down, and taped a another square, 1/4
> the area, into it's place.
>
> ------------
> |          |
> |          |
> |     =====|  <- cut half way down   ------  insert smaller square into cut
> |          |                         |    |
> |          |                         |    |
> ------------                         ------
>
> What you get is a five sided square, each angle is 90 degrees, and the five
> sides are the same length.  The only difference is that there is 450 degrees
> around the point in the center.  The only thing I've done with it so far
> is a rose, which now has 5 petals on the side, instead of four.
>
> Has anyone else tried this?
> --
> Winson Chan
> Electronic Engineering
> Simon Fraser University
> Burnaby, Canada





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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 13:55:50 -0300
From: "Bimal R. Desai" <bdesai@emory.edu>
Subject: Re: transparent folding materials

When I folded Brill's bottle, I used the plastic page of an old report
cover.  Any office supply store will sell the plastic report covers.
Also, you can buy acetate film and cellophane rolls from any paper/art
supply store.

-Bimal

On Tue, 18 Jul 1995, BOB T. LYNCH wrote:

>
> Hi all -
>
> I posted a personal e-mail to the originator of the question, but since there
> seems to be quite a bit of interest in the subject, I'll throw in my 2 cents
>
> I did David Brill's Bottle (for Patricia Crawford's 3 Masted Ship no less)
> with some cellophane I found at my locals craft store. I'm afraid the original
> wrapper is gone, but I seem to remember a Scotsman playing a bagpipe on the
> wrapper - don't ask me why, perhaps the name will have something to do with
     it!
> I found it fairly easy to work with (I used a square that was the same dimen-
> sion of the cellophane and it made it it LITTLE bit floppy, you really had to
> be patient with it (although I survived and I am not know for my patience!).
> Once the bottom was folded, it stood up fairly well. I thought it was really
> interesting to be able to see all the layers through the bottle. It comes in
> a myriad of coloras - clear, pastels, and vibrant colors. I think it is
     primarily
> used to wrap fruit and gift baskets with, so it is either found in the cake
> decorating/food section or the wrapping paper section of the store. I liked
     it.
>
> I have tried working with acetate, too. The stuff I used was the sheets that
> teachers use for overhead projectors (or anyone else that needs to do a
> presentation on an overhead). After folding it the first time and realizing
> I would have all these horrendous opaque creases in it, I used a water
     soluable
> marker (like you use for a temporary presentation on an overhead projector)
> and ruledd all the "essential" creases onto it - folds that were preliminary
> creases or markers for other creases, I just didn't fold. I made it a little
> easier on myself and did it on paper the same size as the acetate I was
     folding
> and used it as a map... It was much harder to work with than the thinner
> cellophane and a lot less forgiving. I made a small bottle for a Christmas
> tree ornament (I don't remember whose tree I made it for, if you're out there
> please let us know how it survived, and is holding up [I haven't folded any
> more acetate... too lazy to go through all that again!  ;-)  ])
>
> Dee
>
> PS the cellpohane also comes in some iridescent colors, too.





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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 14:47:59 -0300
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: ROSETESS.PS printing problems

>>What's this supposed to end up looking like?  (Yes, I know, a rose, but ...
I've never actually seen the Jackson encyclopedia or the Kawasaki piece that
you refer to.) Any chance of uploading a little gif photo?<<

Actually its not A rose, its a 3D tessellation. (looks like 16 little roses
packed in a
box) I'm afraid I can't supply a picture; it was intended for those who already
know
what the original in jackson looks like and wanted to reverse engineer it. I
might be
able to come up with a sketch. Otherwise, you'll have to get a hold of the
encyclopedia and take a look. Sorry. (You might be able to get a peak in a big
bookstore...)

Although the individual roses (its a 4x4 array of roses) look essentially (and
are folded)
about the same as the middle of the regular Kawasaki Rose...

--valerie





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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 00:53:35 -0300
From: Origamiist@aol.com
Subject: Re: 4-D origami

If you beleive in the concept of time as the fourth dimension then it would
follow that all origami is 4-D in that it uses the fourth dimension when it
is created. I think this is kind of poetic when you think about it.
Personally I agree with Will that time isn't the fourth dimension but I know
next to nothing about that topic so it is just a hunch I have. I did see a 3
dimensional representation of a 4-D cube drawn on a computer.(you had to
cross your eyes to look at it similar to a stereoscopic image) If you can
create a representation of a 3-D object in 2-D it would follow that the same
could be done with 4-D objects in 3-D space. (huh?)

I have a headache now.

-Vern





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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 01:18:14 -0300
From: Origamiist@aol.com
Subject: new Vocation location

Well I did it now! I quit my job of nine years! The only job I have ever had!
(sob, sob). I will now be working on SGI instead of macs. I hope I have done
the right thing. (a little late to be thinking that!). The problem now is all
the people over the years I promised origami models are looking to get theirs
before I leave. They always want the ones that are the hardest to make! I
have made about six of the Star Trek Enterprises I learned at the convention.
It wasn't as hard as it looks and it looks great. (the sixth one was
perfect). I guess all the models in my office will have to stay behind to be
fought over. Good thing I went to the convention this year and got lots of
books and paper to fill my new office.

-Vern





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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 02:53:26 -0300
From: "Wayland, Sharon" <SWayland@cmutual.com.au>
Subject: RE: new Vocation location

If you have the instructions to build the Star Trek ships l'd love to get
hold of it.
>I
> have made about six of the Star Trek Enterprises I learned at the
convention.
> It wasn't as hard as it looks and it looks great. (the sixth one was
> perfect). I guess all the models in my office will have to stay behind to
be
> fought over. Good thing I went to the convention this year and got lots of
> books and paper to fill my new office.
>
> -Vern
>
If you have the instructions to build the Star Trek ships I'd Iove to get
hold of it.
I live in Australia so I'm not sure how you could tell me, but I do have
access the internet. But my husband is a mad Star Trekkie and would love the
models, anyway
here is my email address:
SWayland@cocam.com.au





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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 10:22:47 -0300
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: ROSETESS

<<divide in 12ths>>
well if you're a purist, you can divide in thirds and then 4ths, but
I'm not so I just use the old parallel line method draftsmen have
used for years.
As a semi-pure method, you can use a second piece of paper to
make the parallel lines  ;-)

--valerie
Compuserve: Valerie Vann 75070,304
Internet: 75070.304@compuserve.com
Internet: valerivann@aol.com
