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Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 15:23:15 -0300
From: Richard Kennedy <KENNEDRA@ibm3090.bham.ac.uk>
Subject: List of BOS booklets

(Joseph Wu - Do you think this material would be a useful addition to
             the BOS web pages you and Nick Robinson have been preparing?)

For those of you who don't know what all the chatter of BOS booklets has
been about, here is the list of those produced. The sad thing is that
many of the early booklets have gone out of print, and efforts to
persuade the BOS to reprint have been meeting some resistance. There is
a feeling that new booklets should be the goal. This is fine if you
already have all the earlier ones, but if you're a newer recruit to BOS
you can only imagine the delights of having your own copy of say
booklet 10. It's easier to press for reprinting if there is a guaranteed
market, so your replies are welcome. If you are only interested in
specific booklets (you may not all want number 3!) then could you indicate
this so that we can concentrate our lobbying on those booklets.

                   BOS  Booklets
                   +++++++++++++

Booklet     Author      Title

   1     John Smith     Notes on the History of Origami
   2     John Smith     Notes on Origami and Mathematics
   3     David Lister   History of the British Origami Society and
                             Paperfolding in Britain
   4     John Smith     An Origami Instruction Language
   5     John Smith     Teaching Origami
   6     Mick Guy       Geometric Division
   7     Mick Guy &     Chess Sets of Martin Wall, Max Hulme and Neal
         Dave Venables       Elias
   8     John Cunliffe  Napkin Folds
   9     Ray Bolt       Origami and Magic
  10     Dave Venables  Neil Elias: Selected Works (1964-1973)
  11     Paul Jackson   Flexagons
  12     Martin Wall    Martin Wall: Early Works (1970-1979)
  13     Thoki Yenn     Orikata
* 14     John Smith     Pureland Origami
* 15     Dave Venables  Max Hulme: Selected Works (1973-1979)
* 16     Paul Jackson   18 of my Paper Folds
  17     Mick Guy &     Origami Games
         Paul Jackson
* 18     Paul Jackson   Philip Shen: Selected Geometric Paperfolds
  19     Daniel Mason   Anthony O'Hare: Creations
* 20     Paul Jackson   Origami Christmas Tree Decorations
  21     John Cunliffe  The Silver Rectangle
  22     John Smith     In Praise of the Bird Base
  23     John Cunliffe  Index 1 to 100
  24     John Cunliffe  Index 101 to 120
  25     John Cunliffe  Envelope and Letter Folding
* 26     Edwin Corrie   Animal Origami
  27     Jeff Beynon    Origami
  28Gwyneth Radcliffe    Origami to Begin With
* 29     John Smith     Pureland Origami 2
* 30     Dave Petty     Paper People and other Pointers
* 31     Jeff Beynon    More 'Igami
  32     John Smith     Pattern in Paper
  33     Edwin Corrie   Animal Origami 2
  34 ed. Dave Venables  Neal Elias's Miscellaneous Folds 1
  35 ed. Dave Venables  Neal Elias's Miscellaneous Folds 2
  36 ed. Dave Venables  Neal Elias's Faces and Busts
* 37     Jeff Beynon    Jef Ori' 3
* 38     Jeff Beynon    Four 'Igami
* 39     Edwin Corrie   Animal Origami 3
* 40     Dave Petty     The Genius of Jan Willem Derksen
  41     Dave Petty     Convention Packs Index 1989-1991
  42     Larry Hart     Larry Hart: Selected Works (1971-1991)
* 43     John Smith     Pureland 3
* 44     Jeff Beynon    Multiplication
  45     Dave Petty     The Origami of Stephen Palmer
* 46     Dave Petty     Modular Construction and Twists
* 47     Eric Kenneway  ABC of Origami

  99     Paul Jackson   10 Simple Paper Folds: Origami for Beginners

*  These are the ones I have, and I can provide further information
   about these. Some (but not all of these) are still available.

Richard "the bullet didn't taste too bad" Kennedy.





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Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 08:51:01 -0300
From: LEMIEUXJ@aspen.uml.edu
Subject: Origami Bones, etc.

I am interested in acquiring information on tools
used as an aid in paper folding.

How widespread is the use of bones, tweezers,
straight edges, picks, knives, etc.?

What are your personal preferences, under what
circumstances do you use certain tools?

Are there any that have adopted the philosophy of hands
and fingernails only, no tool of any kind allowed?

Comments from anyone will be greatly appreciated.

Bob
J. Robert A. Lemieux
lemieuxj@woods.uml.edu





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Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 09:02:45 -0300
From: Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@pipeline.com>
Subject: Ultimate paper revisited

 A few days ago, I posted about a new twist on foil backing paper. After
completeng a model folded with tissue foil (or unryu foil, or whatever), I
would apply a methel cellulouse paste, and set aside to dry. The results of
this experement were somewhat dissapointing.

The good news is that even when saturating the paper with the paste, it
dried nicely (no shiny spots). The bad news is that for the various papers
that I tried it with, it did not seem to help the material to stay as rigid
as expected. As it turns out, it seems that the foil has a much more
significant impact on shape maintainability than the paste does.
Consequently, I can still reshape the paper, and it has no apparent memory
of its previous shape. Not exactly my idea of permanency.

So what exactly is the good news? For starters, I have yet to give up (I am
not going to let my $5.00 investment go to waste, although I was thinking
of making the worlds' thickest milkshake from it). The paste does add a
noticable level of rigidity to the thicker papers, and an improvement is an
improvement, no matter how small (I always feel safe with those
tautological expressions). Better yet, It is a great way to cheat on
locking maneuvers; the paste really seems to make those origami locks extra
rigid (ok, I admit it, *paste* is is just an origamicaly correct way of
saying *glue*). I will let all of you know about any further developments.

Marque  K......................





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Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 09:12:07 -0300
From: jdharris@csn.net (Jerry D. Harris)
Subject: Re: Early BOS booklets

>What's this BOS thingie that everyone is me tooing? I must have missed that
>original post? Should I "me too" it as well?

        It's in re reprinting the original BOS booklets, chock full of
nutty goodness...er, full of great diagrams for some otherwise unpublished
material.  I second the notion!  Add me to the list, too!  Just also insure
that such reprints will be widely available and not exorbitant, OK?  8-)

Jerry D. Harris
Denver Museum of Natural History
2001 Colorado Blvd.
Denver, CO  80205
(303) 370-6403
Internet:  jdharris@teal.csn.net
CompuServe:  73132,3372

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Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 11:59:08 -0300
From: Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>
Subject: Re: Origami Bones, etc.

On Sat, 1 Jul 1995 LEMIEUXJ@aspen.uml.edu wrote:

> I am interested in acquiring information on tools
> used as an aid in paper folding.
>
> How widespread is the use of bones, tweezers,
> straight edges, picks, knives, etc.?

Very widespread.

> What are your personal preferences, under what
> circumstances do you use certain tools?
>
> Are there any that have adopted the philosophy of hands
> and fingernails only, no tool of any kind allowed?

I have adopted this philosophy. On occasion, I will use the pair of blunt
tweezers from my Swiss army officer's knife, but this is very rare. I take
the view that if I must use tools to do my miniatures, then they are not
worth the trouble. With this attitude, I've managed to fold Kawasaki's rose
out of a 1 cm square (tweezers needed to lock the four points at the
bottom), and Montroll's chess board out of a 7.5 cm square (finished board
is 1.9 cm square, tweezers needed to separate a layer of paper in the
middle of the folding sequence.

Joseph Wu      <jwu@cs.ubc.ca> | Witty quote is now back to the
Master's Student               |   drawing board due to squeamish
University of British Columbia |   readers. Any suggestions?
WWW: http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/jwu/origami.html (Origami Page)





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Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 15:35:41 -0300
From: PamGotcher@aol.com
Subject: Re: Early BOS booklets

Add my name to the list too!

Pam Gotcher





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Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 17:30:06 -0300
From: casida@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Casida Mark)
Subject: Re: Origami Bones, etc.

J. Robert A. Lemieux wrote
>
> How widespread is the use of bones, tweezers,
> straight edges, picks, knives, etc.?
>
I often use my pocket knife.  First of all, it's available
since it's generally there in my pocket.  Second of all, I
like to pick up odd scraps of paper and cut them into squares
for folding.  Finally, it tends to get put to use in places
where my fingers fail --- like as an aid for tucking in corners
of paper in to spaces too small for my pinkies.

Lately however Montroll-Lang models have me reaching for
some lab tweezers so I can pull as well as push.

What are other people doing?

                              ... Mark

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Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 18:15:49 -0300
From: Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@pipeline.com>
Subject: Origami Bones, etc.

On Sat, 1 Jul 1995 LEMIEUXJ@aspen.uml.edu said:

>What are your personal preferences, under what circumstances do you use
certain
>tools?
>

I will often use a hammer to flatten out models. This is extremely
effective when working with tissue-foil. I have tried folding bones, and
they do seem to work. Since I don't own one of my own, I will occasionaly
use my guitar picks as a substitute. They also work well, but you can't get
as much leverage as with the folding bones. Come to think of it, I only use
my picks for folding when I happen to be playing my guitar; I feel that I
have much more control with my fingers.

>Are there any that have adopted the philosophy of hands and fingernails
only,
>no tool of any kind allowed?
>

I suppose that this question would go hand in hand with what sort of
philosophies folders have adopted regarding folding materials. Only a
person who has leather for skin would embark upn folding sheet metal
without tools. As for wet folding, only a person who has nothing better to
do would sit for hours untill his model dried. I for one would much rather
use tools.

The Cherry Tree Warrior





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Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 20:32:47 -0300
From: DBSH47B@prodigy.com (MRS. JANET J HAMILTON)
Subject: Re: Origami Bones, etc.

-- [ From: Janet Hamilton * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --

> How widespread is the use of bones, tweezers, straight edges, picks,
> knives, etc.?
> What are your personal preferences, under what circumstances do you
use
> certain tools?

I use a folding bone for making creases when several layers of paper
are involved.  I also use a blunt toothpick for pushing inside corners
into shape.  I haven't found the need for tweezers, but I have not done
any miniatures.

> Are there any that have adopted the philosophy of hands and
fingernails
> only, no tool of any kind allowed?

I have no problem with the tools, especially when I get to a fold that
my hands are not dextrous enough or strong enough to get a crease the
way I want it.  I do try to stay away from the cut and paste stuff,
though.

Janet





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Date: Sun, 2 Jul 1995 01:40:24 -0300
From: bryan@sgl.ists.ca (Bryan Feir)
Subject: Re: Origami Bones, etc.

> I am interested in acquiring information on tools
> used as an aid in paper folding.
>
> How widespread is the use of bones, tweezers,
> straight edges, picks, knives, etc.?

   I've got a little jeweller's screwdriver I swear by... (and occasionally
swear at as well, but that's another story.)  It allows me to separate two
sheets of paper in a small space that I can't otherwise get into.

> What are your personal preferences, under what
> circumstances do you use certain tools?
>
> Are there any that have adopted the philosophy of hands
> and fingernails only, no tool of any kind allowed?

  I only use tools if necessary.  As above, if it's a pair of sheets of paper
pressed tightly together because of another fold, and inside a small space
where my fingers can't reach, I have no problem with using a small tool to
get in between the sheets.  The screwdriver can also be used to help press
a small sink into place.

---------------------------+---------------------------------------------------
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bryan@sgl.ists.ca          | arresting human intelligence long enough to get
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Date: Sun, 2 Jul 1995 03:20:04 -0300
From: Shai Seger <SHAIS@EVS.elbit.co.il>
Subject: Holly OUSA

I Thank thee, Dee for the bunny bill info.

Hey you knights of the Origami round table, Can anyone help a peasant in
distress?
I need the address and fax number of the holly Origami USA.

shai
shais@evs.elbit.co.il





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Date: Sun, 2 Jul 1995 04:02:45 -0300
From: LEMIEUXJ@aspen.uml.edu
Subject: RE: Holly OUSA

 > I need the address and fax number of the holly Origami USA.

Here you are:

Origami USA
15 West 77th Street
New York, NY 10024-5192

(212) 769-5635
FAX (2120 769-5668

Join today...
Bob





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Date: Sun, 2 Jul 1995 13:59:19 -0300
From: Nick Robinson <nick@tritec.demon.co.uk>
Subject: BOS booklets

Hi there,

I've just returned from a BOS council meeting where I mentioned the demand
for old booklets. Our main problem is the backlog of "in-print" copies that we
have in stock. Our finances dictate we sell some before we can print any others.

There is a waiting list of 8 *new* booklets - we'll have to balance reprints
with new work. If there was reasonable demand for specific back issues we'd more
than likely reprint them.

Nick Robinson

***** "Origami isn't just for squares!" *****





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Date: Sun, 2 Jul 1995 16:21:54 -0300
From: Nick Robinson <nick@tritec.demon.co.uk>
Subject: cranes wanted!

Hi there,

Larry Hart from London is gathering in 1000 cranes for VJ day and would like
contributors: Any colour except black or grey, 75mm Muji paper or similar.
He would like to receive them by the middle of July.

Contributions to;

Larry Hart,
1 Coronation Avenue,
Victorian Road,
Stoke Newington,
London
N16 8DT

Cheers,

Nick Robinson

***** "Origami isn't just for squares!" *****





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Date: Sun, 2 Jul 1995 18:11:02 -0300
From: casida@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Casida Mark)
Subject: French list

Bonjour,

J'aime bien cette liste-ci, mais j'aimerai aussi savoir si
l'equivalente existe dans le monde francophone (peut-etre
dirigee par <<le mouvement des plieurs de papier>> en France?)
Comme ca, au moins, je peux apprendre le vocabulaire
origamique en francais!  (Dit-on par exemple "plie d'oreille
de lapin"?)

                      Merci en avance,
                           ... Mark

Hi all,

I really like this list, but would also like to know if there
is an equivalent list in French (perhaps associated by the
"mouvement des plieurs de papier" in France?)  That way,
at least, I can learn some origami vocabulary in French!
(like how you say "rabbit ear fold" for example.)

                       Thanks in advance,
                             ... Mark

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Date: Sun, 2 Jul 1995 19:19:24 -0300
From: Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>
Subject: Re: French list

On Sun, 2 Jul 1995, Casida Mark wrote:

> J'aime bien cette liste-ci, mais j'aimerai aussi savoir si
> l'equivalente existe dans le monde francophone (peut-etre
> dirigee par <<le mouvement des plieurs de papier>> en France?)
> Comme ca, au moins, je peux apprendre le vocabulaire
> origamique en francais!  (Dit-on par exemple "plie d'oreille
> de lapin"?)
>
>                       Merci en avance,
>                            ... Mark

Je pense qu'il n'y a pas de liste d'origami (je m'excuse...de pliage de
papier) en francais sur l'Internet.

I think that there is not an origami list (excuse me...paper folding) in
French on the Internet.

Joseph Wu      <jwu@cs.ubc.ca> | Witty quote is now back to the
Master's Student               |   drawing board due to squeamish
University of British Columbia |   readers. Any suggestions?
WWW: http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/jwu/origami.html (Origami Page)





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Date: Sun, 2 Jul 1995 21:32:27 -0300
From: ACPQUINN@myriad.middlebury.edu
Subject: Re: Origami Bones, etc.

I encountered a person at the recent convention who, in a class taught by Marc
Kirschenbaum, demonstrated his singular method of flattening creases.  Instead
of using a bone folder or other such similar device, he used one hand to hold
the model in place while simultaneously using his other hand, clenched in a
ball, to swiftly and violently compact the paper to a manageable thickness.
Needless to say, it was rather amusing to watch, although I am yet unconvinced
of the effectiveness and aesthetics of this method.  Nevertheless, most purists
would undoubtedly prefer this method to a method using a tool such as a bone
folder, since this method requires only one's hands, and is thus more "pure."

-Alasdair
acpquinn@myriad.middlebury.edu





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Date: Sun, 2 Jul 1995 22:07:11 -0300
From: DBSH47B@prodigy.com (MRS. JANET J HAMILTON)
Subject: Re: List of BOS booklets

-- [ From: Janet Hamilton * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --

Richard,

I've listed the booklets that I am particularly interested in.  I would
also be interested if a compilation of the booklets were printed
together.  If any that I have listed are still in print, let met know.

>    1     John Smith     Notes on the History of Origami
>    3     David Lister   History of the British Origami Society and
>                              Paperfolding in Britain
>    6     Mick Guy       Geometric Division
>    9     Ray Bolt       Origami and Magic
>   10     Dave Venables  Neil Elias: Selected Works (1964-1973)
>   11     Paul Jackson   Flexagons
>   17     Mick Guy &     Origami Games
>          Paul Jackson
>   22     John Smith     In Praise of the Bird Base
> * 37     Jeff Beynon    Jef Ori' 3

Thanks,

Janet Hamilton





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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 01:20:20 -0300
From: "BOB T. LYNCH" <blynch@du.edu>
Subject: tools

I generally try to just use hands when I fold - find that I have better control
over hands and fingernails than a tool in the same hand (a fingernail on the
hand is worth two tools in the bush?  :-D )

I tend to agree with Joseph Wu about doing minatures without tools - although
I think Loseph better use some sort of magnifying tool - or he is going to
go blind or nuts one of these days! :-) I am afraid that my minatures are not
as minature as his - or as complex! However, I still like to fold without tools.
I will admit to using a toothpick or something similar if I get in too deep and
can't get something in place just right - But then I will admit to use a
papercutter when things are not going well (remember the Black Devil Angler Fish
awhile back????)  :-D  (Just kidding - I just gave all the rejects to the kids,
about the same effect)

This reminds me of the large handed people in my group. All of them carry a
toothpick or long wooden match in their paper portfolios. And when I saw "a
Squash fold" they all start beating the table with their fists. I guess you
     have to
be there....

Happy 4th!

Dee





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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 02:52:20 -0300
From: LEMIEUXJ@aspen.uml.edu
Subject: French list

Response, to following query by Mark E. Casida.

 > I really like this list, but would also like to know if there
 > is an equivalent list in French (perhaps associated by the
 > "mouvement des plieurs de papier" in France?)  That way,
 > at least, I can learn some origami vocabulary in French!
 > (like how you say "rabbit ear fold" for example.)

Hi Mark,

  I have not been able to locate a French list on the net.
Perhaps help in your quest, in one way or another, may be
found at one of the following addresses:

     Canada
        The Japanese Paper Place
        887 Queen Street West
        Toronto, M6J 1G5
        Ontario
        Canada

     France
        Mouvement Francais des Plieurs de Papier
        56 Rue Coriolis
        75012 Paris
        France

  The above and many other addresses can be found at the following location:

        gopher://gopher.rug.nl:70/00/rc/ftp/origami/lists/assocadr.txt

Good Luck

Bob
J. Robert A. Lemieux
lemieuxj@woods.uml.edu





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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 13:19:15 -0300
From: Gretchen Klotz <gren@lclark.edu>
Subject: Re: Origami Bones, etc.

On Sat, 1 Jul 1995 LEMIEUXJ@aspen.uml.edu wrote:

> I am interested in acquiring information on tools
> used as an aid in paper folding.

When I had a booth at the International Women's Day Fair to sell my
origami boxes, a woodturner who was also selling her wares stopped by.
She was kind enough to let me try out several of her paper folding tools.
They look like a wooden knife, smooth and polished with one end slightly
rounded and the other end flat, but not sharp like a letter opener would
be.  I liked using them, but couldn't find one that fit my hand properly
(it might also have helped to try them out sitting in the chair at the
table where I do most of my folding).  For me, it was important to be able
to fold an entire unit without having to put the tool down -- I want to be
able to shift my hand slightly to get the tool in or out of my way.  I
liked getting a sharp crease in one stroke, as opposed to 2 or 3 passes
with my fingernail.  Also, I'm a gardener and tend to keep my nails short,
and sometimes folding can be hard on my tender fingertips!

The woodturner wants to come to a meeting of our local group (if we ever
have another one!).  I think it's a good idea -- that way everyone can
try out a variety of tools on a variety of models to see what works best
for them.  (I wouldn't order one from a catalog for that reason.)  I'm
considering commissioning one if I can't find a ready-made that fits me.

I would encourage everyone to try before you buy.  And in case I haven't
made it clear in previous posts, I am *not* an origami purist viz. "hands
only, one sheet of square paper only, no glue or cutting, etc."  It all
depends on what your objectives are, and part of my philosophy in life is
"whatever works..."

- Gretchen, still battling the residuals of a summer cold and hoping this
is coherent





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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 13:38:17 -0300
From: Phillip Yee <Phillip_Yee++LOCAL+dADR%Nordstrom_6731691@mcimail.com>
Subject: ORIGAMI BONES, ECT.

Hi,

In response to the comments made by the Cherry Tree Warrior:

< "As for wet folding, only a person who has nothing better to do
would sit for hours until his model dried. I  for  one would much
rather use tools" >

Suggestions -  Have  you  ever tried using a conventional oven, a
hair dryer  or better yet,  a microwave oven? Sure  beats sitting
around!!

As for tools: I wish I could adhere to  the philosphy of hand and
fingernails only, but  my fingers are too fat with short nails. I
use toothpicks, bone folder and occasionally, tweezers.

Phillip





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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 14:12:51 -0300
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: P.D. Tuyen's "Classic Origami"

I found Tuyen's book interesting, though it does have problems. But I think
Joseph slightly missed the point of some of it. The title "Classic Origami" and
the references to "basic forms" confused me at first too. After I read the text
and saw what his philosophy is, ie that the "classic" means "purist" (square,
paper as the material, no cuts, etc.) and that most of the "basic forms" were
not the traditional ones we've all come to know, but slightly more advanced (ie
further along in the folding sequence) that he developed as the jumping off
point for multiple models of his own.

I do wish he had named the "combination folds", which are traditional. But it
appears that this is a person who experienced a large part of his early origami
life without the aid of books, being taught in the traditional way by his
grandfather, and experimenting on his own without much contact with the origami
"establishment". The models are not meant  to be permanent sculptures, but the
sort of ephemeral thing used to entertain a child or where the greatest pleasure
is in the folding...

The drawings are quite good (he's an architect & it shows), but have some
problems: sometimes the color indicating the side of the paper used is
misleading, and some models use 1/3 divisions etc that are not expained. Perhaps
he eye-balls these; I used to before I started using parallel lines (to avoid
the extra creases you get doing them by the "geometric method").

At any rate, this is not a trivial book. It has a lot more substance (26 models)
than many recent books I've got (many like coffee table books with lots of arty
photos and white space, but few models...), and the bases are interesting to
explore. And in keeping with his philosophy, all of the models I've tried are
quite successful, ie stay folded well, when made of ordinary 6 inch kami origami
PAPER. I like the turtle, dragonfly, rooster & hen, elephant, and the rose.  His
Form III makes nice letter folds for instance.

The biggest diappointment to me was that the nifty flower on p. 8 in the general
text part of the book is not diagrammed. For anyone who needs a hint, Start with
step 9 of Form X...

--valerie
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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 14:23:40 -0300
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Origami Bones, etc.

>> no problem with using a small tool<<

I mostly use fingernails for creasing, but in general confine my use of other
"tools" to whatever is close at hand, and since that includes everything  from
knitting needles & crochet hooks to whatever you might need to dissassemble &
repair a computer, finding just the right tool is seldom a problem...    <GR>

Seriously, I usually use only a bone folder, mostly when making boxes out of
heavier paper & am on the verge of CTSydrome from using my nails..

I do sometimes long for that long long long finger that one of the prosimians
(is it an EyeEye ???) has for fishing bugs out of their tunnels in bark &
wood... sigh

--valerie
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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 14:42:01 -0300
From: Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@pipeline.com>
Subject: ORIGAMI BONES, ECT.

On Mon, 3 Jul 1995 Phillip Yee
<Phillip_Yee++LOCAL+dADR%Nordstrom_6731691@mcimail.com> said:
>Hi,
>
>In response to the comments made by the Cherry Tree Warrior:
>< "As for wet folding, only a person who has nothing better to do would
sit for
>hours until his model dried. I  for  one would much rather use tools" >
>
>Suggestions -  Have  you  ever tried using a conventional oven, a hair
dryer
>or better yet,  a microwave oven? Sure  beats sitting around!!

Exactly my point; ovens, hair dryers, and microwaves are all tools, albeit
not in the traditional sence.

The Cherry Tree Warrior





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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 14:52:57 -0300
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Folding Tools

I meant to mention: There are some hard wood tools made for sculpting clay that
are quite good for origami too. Sometimes better than the bone folder, which
incidentally you can get in two sizes from the big library supply house
Gaylords.

The sculpting tools usually have 2 different shaped ends and some have sharper &
finer points. Also its possible to customize or reshape the point of the bone
folder with a diamond nail file. I also use this to smooth the tip of mine when
it starts to wear flat or get corners... Big fat wooden knitting needles are
nice too; a local wood artist who makes pens & pencils used to make beautiful
ones with fancy turned ends out of rosewood and similar exotic hardwoods - a
tool whose use is an aesthetic experience in itself. Sometimes you can find
wooden letter openers like that too.

I also use a Swiss Army knife to make little square out of big ones. A perenniel
problem of the modular origami nut is getting enough sheets of the same
color/pattern, so often you have to cut your own.

--valerie
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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 15:03:40 -0300
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Paper for Tesselations etc

I've used archival quality engineering vellum for tesselations, but recently
noticed that the big library supply house Gaylords carrys archival quality (ie
acid free, PH neutral etc) tissue in sheets. (intended for wrapping small museum
objects and clothing in costume collections), plus several varieties of glassine
for interleaving (in books with prints to keep the color from coming off on the
facing page.)
All of this sounds like it would be great for folding, even though just white or
'natural' sort of beige, as the thing you spent hour/days on would last longer
made of archival grade paper!  Anybody tried any of this?

--valerie
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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 15:25:58 -0300
From: A004773%LBVM1.profs@lbgwy.mdc.com
Subject: NO SUBJECT

 re: folding tools

 I found a Koa wood bookmark at the Foster Botanical Gardens in Honolulu
 that works well. It's flat and much thinner than my bone folding tool.

 Also I have a tool from my bygone days as an analytical chemist that is
 used to measure out small amounts of powder. One end is a small flat
 spatula and the oter end is a U-shaped spatula. The flat end works
 nicely for tucks and such.

 But I often forget them at home and rely on my original tools, finger
 nails, teeth, and whatever is handy.
    john

 John Andrisan
 IBMMAIL: USMCDQND   Internet: a004773%lbvm1.profs@lbgwy.mdc.com





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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 17:50:45 -0300
From: hull@hypatia.math.uri.edu
Subject: Re: Paper for Tesselations etc

Yes, glassine has been used extensively for origami tessellations.
Chris Palmer was the first person I ever saw to realise the potential
of glassine.  Not only is it great for looking at the "light pattern"
of an origami tessellation model, but it folds * extremely * well!
It remembers creases nicely, it doesn't tear easily, and it "feels"
just dandy.  A treat for the whole family!

------------- Tom "still here" Hull





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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 22:16:30 -0300
From: TulaRula@aol.com
Subject: Re: Early BOS booklets

Could you please also add my name to the list too!
Thank you





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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 23:01:30 -0300
From: DBSH47B@prodigy.com (MRS. JANET J HAMILTON)
Subject: Base for Kawasai's Rose

-- [ From: Janet Hamilton * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --

At the OUSA convention, there was a class taught on folding Kawasaki's
Rose.  I didn't take the class, but I am interested in the base/stem
that I believe was taught in the class.  Can anyone tell me if it is
diagrammed anywhere?  If not, is there someone from the class who might
be able to type in the instructions in text.  I have seen the rosebase
model in the origami archives, but I believe this was not the one
taught.

Janet Hamilton





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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 23:48:25 -0300
From: chall@scsn.net (Carol Hall)
Subject: Re: Paper for Tesselations etc

>I've used archival quality engineering vellum for tesselations, but recently
>noticed that the big library supply house Gaylords carrys archival quality (ie
>acid free, PH neutral etc) tissue in sheets. (intended for wrapping small

Could someone supply an address for Gaylords?

Thanks,
Carol Hall





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Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 08:20:15 -0300
From: LEMIEUXJ@aspen.uml.edu
Subject: Bones, Boxes, and Poems

I thoroughly enjoyed the responses to my request for information
on the use of tools for paper folding. Please continue to comment.

One in particular caught my attention, it was from an imaginative
man who evidentially believes in results, Marc  Kirschenbaum.

 > I will often use a hammer to flatten out models. This is extremely
 > effective when working with tissue-foil.

One of my advocations is cabinet making. (My approach is, first cut down
tree then .....) At last count there were 27 hammers in my workshop, and
it never once occurred to me to use one for folding paper.

I will quite often visit local elementary schools and introduce the
fourth or fifth graders to origami.

  A model I frequently use is the "Simplified Sonobe Module" described
on page 44 of:
    Kasahara, Kunihiko & Toshie Takahama. ORIGAMI FOR THE CONNOISSEUR.
    Japan Publications, 1987.  ISBN: 0-87040-670-1.

  Some of you may be interested in the following poem that I give to each
child that completes the cube:

            This origami box I made,
             was folded just for you.
            To be used if you are lonely,
             or even feeling blue.

            You never may unfold it,
             please don't open any side.
            Just hold the box close to your heart,
             It's filled with love inside.

  I have the poem printed with a fancy border, on card stock,
and let each child chose his favorite color.

  Once they realize it would be a good gift for a mother,
grandmother, or someone in a hospital or nursing home,
even the boys are eager to get one.

  If anyone would like samples of the card, or a master sheet,
just let me know via EMail (lemieuxj@woods.uml.edu).

  Include your snail mail address and I will send you a master
sheet, so that you can make your own cards. If you want to see
how they look in color, let me know your favorite color and I
will also include some color samples.

  If I get an overwhelming number of requests, I will post a request
that a stamped self-addressed envelope be sent to my snail mail
address. (200 North Street, Tewksbury, MA  01876-1910)

Bob
lemieuxj@woods.uml.edu





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Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 09:32:32 -0300
From: PamGotcher@aol.com
Subject: Re: Origami Bones, etc.

As a neophyte folder, I find some tools quite useful.  Some of the folders on
this list are absolutely world-class and their ideals are truly to be aspired
to, but I have a little more patience with me as a beginner.  My basic belief
is that whatever it takes to make folding easy and fun so that I will keep
doing it, is A-OK.  Once I get all the technique down and the practice, then
I will hone my finer skills.





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Date: Tue, 04 Jul 1995 09:53:52 -0300
From: PamGotcher@aol.COM
Subject: Re: Base for Kawasai's Rose

>At the OUSA convention, there was a class taught on folding Kawasaki's
>Rose.  I didn't take the class, but I am interested in the base/stem
>that I believe was taught in the class.

Janet - the base taught in the class was a simple calyx and petal, attached
through a wire, which was wrapped with florist's tape.  There was nothing
fancy about it. I haven't seen it diagrammed, but that does not mean it's not
out there.  Joseph's base, in the archives, is a bit more ornamental, but
totally fine.





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Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 10:39:54 -0300
From: Jennifer.Campbell@CCIW.ca (Jennifer Campbell)
Subject: Re: Origami Bones, etc.

On July 4 a.m. Pam Gotcher wrote:

>As a neophyte folder, I find some tools quite useful.  Some of the folders on
>this list are absolutely world-class and their ideals are truly to be aspired
>to, but I have a little more patience with me as a beginner.  My basic belief
>is that whatever it takes to make folding easy and fun so that I will keep
>doing it, is A-OK.  Once I get all the technique down and the practice, then
>I will hone my finer skills.

I always thought tools were for the experts and me, being far from
"world-class" shouldn't need them. I've never used any tools like folding
bones or tweezers although I've made many complex models and miniatures.
This isn't due to any purist philosophy. It just never occurred to me to
use anything but my fingers, sometimes fighting it out to accomplish what
might be easier with these tools. I always thought that tools would get in
the way. But all this talk makes me curious!

       /\_/\       ________
     `(     )' oo /        \
       `==='     | Maguro o |
       /   \     |  kudasai |
      |     |     \________/
      |     |
    ___\___/__jennifer.campbell@cciw.ca





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Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 10:50:52 -0300
From: casida@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Casida Mark)
Subject: Re: Origami Bones, etc.

Hi all,

The idea of flattening a model with a hammer is ... well, I wasn't
sure it was serious at first.  Then I thought about some of those
complex models and how many layers of thickness can accumulate.
Question: Is a hammer also useful when folding from ordinary paper?

I started folding at about 7 years after being encouraged by some
Japanese playmates.  Later I remember doing a lot of folding of
brochures during long sermons in church.  Then when I got older
I forgot about origami for a while.  However I think one of the
things left over from those early years is an appreciation for
"found paper" and the type of folding which can be done here, now,
and anywhere.  This is what I think of as "traditional origami."

Now we also have "technical origami."  When I think of technical
origami, I think of complex folds (e.g. the crab in Engel's Zen
and Origami book) which require (at least for me) a careful choice
of paper and may be some tools to get to the end without tearing
the paper or giving up because it is just too thick or too small.
Technical origami is good stuff, but it has a different flavor
from traditional origami.  In fact, sometimes it reminds me more
of building model airplanes with glue, balsa and tissue paper than
what I knew as a child.

Please excuse the long rambling note, but isn't the discussion about
tools aimed at the more technical type of folding?  And doesn't this
already loose a bit of its purity by increasing our dependence upon
the particular choice of material (i.e. choosing paper with the
correct structural properties)?  In fact, if I exagerate a little,
I can see the evolution of origami which can _only_ be done by
trained origami craftsmen with highly specialized paper (designed
specifically to be thin, hold a crease, and ...) requiring jewelers
tools to get those last little folds just right.  But it will be
beautifully intricate (and what a challenge to diagram)!

--
*-------------------------------------------------------*
|          Mark E. Casida                               |
|          e-mail: casida@chimcn.umontreal.ca           |





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Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 14:48:57 -0300
From: LEMIEUXJ@aspen.uml.edu
Subject: Origami Bones, Boxes, Poems (French?)

 >             This origami box I made,
 >              was folded just for you.
 >             To be used if you are lonely,
 >              or even feeling blue.
 >
 >             You never may unfold it,
 >              please don't open any side.
 >             Just hold the box close to your heart,
 >              It's filled with love inside.

  It just occurred to me, since I will be visiting Canada this
summer, how nice it would be to have a French Canadian version
of the above poem.

  Is there anyone out there with the ability and the willingness
to translate it into a decent sounding french version?

  I thank you, in advance, for your attention and effort.

 > The idea of flattening a model with a hammer is ... well, I wasn't
 > sure it was serious at first.

  Marc Kirschenbaum wouldn't wander away from the truth, would he?

Have fun,

Bob
lemieuxj@woods.uml.edu





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Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 15:23:39 -0300
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Paper for Tesselations etc

Tom,

This tissure might be even better than glassine, though they have that too, but
the tissue comes in big sheets.. Probably would have a faint beige hue, with
terrific see-through properties.

 I've used engineering vellum with the faint ('Fade-Out" its called) blue grid
for snowflake tessellations and you get a terrific ice blue see through effect.
Unfortunately this stuff has some kind of solvent based dressing or something ??
that gives off an oily looking stain onto paper left next to it for any length
of time.  On the plus side, its very white, folds well, and the good stuff is
pretty tough too. Also of course has a long 'shelf life': we've got 15-yr old
drawings at work on the real good stuff that have never yellowed.

Its a shame engineering tracing linen is no longer made. This was an extremely
fine (high thread count) linen cloth impregnated with a pale blue-white sizing,
slick on one side, fine cloth texture on the other. The sizing made it take a
wonderful crease, which of course drafting people detested, but origami would
love. It did yellow with age tho. Years ago I did some origami with fine
starched handerchief linen, semi transparent. Wet linen takes a fantastic fold,
even better with startch, but the plain stuff can be "ironed" just by smoothing
out on a flat surface, or pounding (this is how the Ancient Egyptians make those
terrific pleated see-through costumes...).

The Gaylord tissues come in 200ft x40in and 30in x 200, 500 or 1000 ft rolls.
Think what you could do with that (besides get wrapped up in it like a crysalis
:-)

On the subject of tesslations: I've worked out all the ones in the Jackson
Paper/Origami encyclopedia EXCEPT the "ROSE" one that looks like a box of rose
blossoms. I've come close but no cigar, and gave up last year  pending a
thunderbolt of inspiration. The photos in the OUSA newletter of the Japan
conference reminded me again. Do you know how to do that one? Can someone give
me a hint?

--valerie
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Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 15:35:44 -0300
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Paper for Tesselations etc

GAYLORD's Library Supply: PO Box 4901, Syracuse NY 13221-4901     1-800-448-6160
Enormous General Catalog, and several more specialized (ie for museums &
archives, book repair, furniture, etc.)  each year.

The museum/archve supplies include acid free storage boxes in all sorts of
shapes: for costumes, quilts, small artifacts etc.
There are some that have a variety of sizes of partitions & layers inside that
I've been drooling over. They'd be great for storing small origami models (OUSA
should have some...).  And for storing paper of course.

The tissue comes buffered & unbuffered. As I recall, the unbuffered is softer.
The Buffered might take a crisper fold.

They also have acid free bond paper in sheets & rolls (good for proto types that
will last...), acid-free/archival polyvinal adhesives, and fantastic (tho very
expensive) rolling paper cutters. (I have a small one of these: they make the
traditional paper cutter look like a stone age ax, which is about how well they
work aryway...)

--valerie
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Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 15:55:50 -0300
From: Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@pipeline.com>
Subject: Re: Origami Bones, etc.

On Tue, 4 Jul 1995 casida@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Casida Mark) said:

>Hi all,
>
>The idea of flattening a model with a hammer is ... well, I wasn't sure it
was
>serious at first.  Then I thought about some of those complex models and
how
>many layers of thickness can accumulate. Question: Is a hammer also useful
when
>folding from ordinary paper?
>

Yes, I was serious about my choice of tools. I don't think that any form ov
banging would be terribly effective with kami, but I won't stop you from
experimenting. I figure that if a aper is springy to begin with, it will
allways spring back. Models folded with tissue-foil (and perhaps wet folded
ones as well), have a phenominal memory. When they are bangen in place,
they stay in place.

The big danger in using a hammer is that ther is the possibility that your
model will burst. If you flatten gradually, that danger is lessened. Also,
hammer on the side of the model that will be hidden whenever possible. If
you were to hammer over a textured surface, your model will pick up the
pattern of that surface. One finnal note; I don't always use a hammer for
banging. Lighter weight tools, such as the back of my metal scissor can be
verry effective.

>I started folding at about 7 years after being encouraged by some Japanese

>playmates.  Later I remember doing a lot of folding of brochures during
long
>sermons in church.  Then when I got older I forgot about origami for a
while.
>However I think one of the things left over from those early years is an
>appreciation for "found paper" and the type of folding which can be done
here,
>now, and anywhere.  This is what I think of as "traditional origami."
>
>Now we also have "technical origami."  When I think of technical origami,
I
>think of complex folds (e.g. the crab in Engel's Zen and Origami book)
which
>require (at least for me) a careful choice of paper and may be some tools
to
>get to the end without tearing the paper or giving up because it is just
too
>thick or too small. Technical origami is good stuff, but it has a
different
>flavor from traditional origami.  In fact, sometimes it reminds me more of

>building model airplanes with glue, balsa and tissue paper than what I
knew as
>a child.
>

I agree. The technical and traditional variants of oprigami are
sufficiently different that they should not even be compared. Even though I
will only display my technical models, my simpler models are often much
more conveinient to fold. I can fold them much faster, and I can teach them
to just about anybody. They might best be called *party origami.*

>Please excuse the long rambling note, but isn't the discussion about tools

>aimed at the more technical type of folding?  And doesn't this already
loose a
>bit of its purity by increasing our dependence upon the particular choice
of
>material (i.e. choosing paper with the correct structural properties)?  In

>fact, if I exagerate a little, I can see the evolution of origami which
can
>_only_ be done by trained origami craftsmen with highly specialized paper

>(designed specifically to be thin, hold a crease, and ...) requiring
jewelers
>tools to get those last little folds just right.  But it will be
beautifully
>intricate (and what a challenge to diagram)!

There was a simmilar thread happening in the guitar playing community. When
electric guitars hit the mainstream, they were considered to be a
bastardization og their acoustic predecesors. With guitar synthesis
becoming increasingly prevalent, playing an electric guitar w/o effects is
now considered traditional. In terms of origami, my only big fear is that
my complex creations will not be recognized as being origami. When origami
finally does hitthe mainstream, this fear should dissapear, and tissue-foil
will be mass produced. To get to this point, we need some good museum
quality models out there. I am proud to be part of the movement that is
making this possible.

Hammering away,
Marc

p.s. Happy 4th of July !!!





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Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 16:34:21 -0300
From: Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>
Subject: Re: P.D. Tuyen's "Classic Origami"

On Mon, 3 Jul 1995, Valerie Vann wrote:

> I found Tuyen's book interesting, though it does have problems. But I think
> Joseph slightly missed the point of some of it. The title "Classic Origami"
     and
> the references to "basic forms" confused me at first too. After I read the
     text
> and saw what his philosophy is, ie that the "classic" means "purist" (square,
> paper as the material, no cuts, etc.) and that most of the "basic forms" were
> not the traditional ones we've all come to know, but slightly more advanced
     (ie
> further along in the folding sequence) that he developed as the jumping off
> point for multiple models of his own.

My main complaint about the book was the inaccuracy of his history. Tuyen
claims that traditional origami was purist, and that western traditions
introduced the use of cutting. This is the opposite of what is generally
accepted as the correct version of origami history. Definitely,
traditional Japanese designs included cutting. And the purist attitudes
developed more recently, in the west, and perhaps concurrently in Japan.

> At any rate, this is not a trivial book. It has a lot more substance (26
     models)
> than many recent books I've got (many like coffee table books with lots of
     arty
> photos and white space, but few models...), and the bases are interesting to
> explore. And in keeping with his philosophy, all of the models I've tried are
> quite successful, ie stay folded well, when made of ordinary 6 inch kami
     origami
> PAPER. I like the turtle, dragonfly, rooster & hen, elephant, and the rose.
     His
> Form III makes nice letter folds for instance.

Quantity, however, is not quality. I applaud Tuyen's use of "basic
forms", some of which are traditional bases; others of which are hybrid
bases or are of a more "Chinese flavour", emphasizing 90- and 45-degree
angles. The models, however, do not appeal to my sense of aesthetic. They
have a rough, unfinished look and are angular and rigid. Limbs are often
just a triangular flap folded into position. Don't get me wrong, I can
appreciate simple, abstract origami. But Tuyen's models seem to
incorporate different levels of detail for different parts of the model.
He mixes the simple limbs with very ornate heads, for example, leaving
the models looking unbalanced.

I do not regret buying this book. It has some insights. But don't use it
as a reference on origami history. Its value is as a source book for
experimenting with new designs from new bases. Even then, it can only
teach by example. For a good book on origami design, check out J.C.
Nolan's _Creating_Origami_.

Joseph Wu      <jwu@cs.ubc.ca> | Witty quote is now back to the
Master's Student               |   drawing board due to squeamish
University of British Columbia |   readers. Any suggestions?
WWW: http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/jwu/origami.html (Origami Page)





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Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 19:52:22 -0300
From: logician!sophie!pat@uunet.uu.net (Pat Zura)
Subject: Re: ORIGAMI BONES, ECT.

While not exactly an official tool, I'll bet almost everyone here has used
a Bic ball point pen cap at one time or another, on the pen for creasing,
off for poking with the clip part. It really is quite useful, and you
can find them anywhere.

Pat





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Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 20:08:48 -0300
From: DBSH47B@prodigy.com (MRS. JANET J HAMILTON)
Subject: Re: BOS booklets, availability

-- [ From: Janet Hamilton * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --

> Of the booklets that you listed, the only one that I think may still
be
> available is number 37, Jef Ori'3.

After I received your message, I checked the OUSA supply list and found
this booklet available for $3.50.  I was interested in this one because
of the "Spring Into Action" model that I believe is in it.  I guess
it's going to be on my Christmas list!

Thanks for the info.

Janet Hamilton





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Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 20:21:07 -0300
From: Beck Twachtman Hutchinson <HUTCHIB@mail.firn.edu>
Subject: Re: Early BOS booklets

So as not to be a lurker, yes to BOS.





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Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 20:32:40 -0300
From: Nick Robinson <nick@tritec.demon.co.uk>
Subject: wet-folders of the Web unite!

Hi there,

> < "As for wet folding, only a person who has nothing better to do
> would sit for hours until his model dried. I  for  one would much
> rather use tools" >

Ah, but look at the result - a fold full of grace and life - try that with
foil!! Once I've finished the shaping (the real fun part!) I hold the paper in
position with a few well-placed beer cans, CD's, dead beetles etc. so it will
dry of its own accord. Sitting on top of the computer monitor seems to speed
things up, providing the paper isn't driping! (It should never be that wet
anyway).

I don't see how tools replace the finesse allowed by wet-folding? It's about
natural curves and the texture of the paper, not making teeny points. Some
subjects (most insects for example!) are simply not suited to WF. Others (such
as Hulme's Jack in the Box or even the humble falpper) aren't suited to foil. I
would contend contentiously(?) that most animals are not suited to foil. When I
see these Zebras with metallic foil showing through it nearly makes me cry. Lang
has achieved the same results using onion-skin paper (or similar). It's about
being sensitive to the texture and look of the folding material.

Yours argumentatively,

Nick Robinson

PS. check out the WWW BOS page: www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/jwu/Origami/BOS/bos.html
I've got my own page accessed from there. A Max Hulme Seal will appear within
the next few days. The BOS had its first member joined via the Web last weekend
- the first of many?

***** "Origami isn't just for squares!" *****





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Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 20:44:00 -0300
From: Rjlang@aol.com
Subject: Re: Origami Bones, etc.

> How widespread is the use of bones, tweezers,
> straight edges, picks, knives, etc.?

For most things I use my hands only. For tiny insects and stuff, I use a pair
of #3 jeweler's tweezers. I tend to discourage beginners from using tools
such as folding bones to burnish creases because such tools tend to make the
creases wander, leading to imprecise results. Some people swear by them, but
I find that when I need to burnish a crease, the back of a fingernail works
very well (and it's a renewable resource!).

Robert





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Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 20:55:00 -0300
From: Shai Seger <SHAIS@evs.elbit.co.il>
Subject: RE: Origami Bones, etc.

On July 4 Jennifer  wrote:

>I always thought tools were for the experts and me, being far from
>"world-class" shouldn't need them. I've never used any tools like
folding
>bones or tweezers although I've made many complex models and
>miniatures.
>This isn't due to any purist philosophy. It just never occurred to me to
>use anything but my fingers, sometimes fighting it out to accomplish
what
>might be easier with these tools. I always thought that tools would get
in
>the way. But all this talk makes me curious!

I must agree with Jennifer.
I have nothing against using tools, however the fact that you can take a
piece of paper and make a magnificent model out of it, using only the
tips
of your fingers, its simply MAGIC!  :-)
I usually place the models over a flat surface and drag the back of my
thumb
nail along the fold in order to flatten it. It works great!
That is also why I adore Montroll+s and Lang+s models. You need only use
one
simple square piece of paper, no cuts, no bruises... and the result is
beyond
imagination. (I+ll be happy to hear about other names or books that fall
into
this category)

shai
shais@evs.elbit.co.il
