




Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 01:10:51 -0300
From: jpolish@usa.pipeline.com (Jan Polish)
Subject: teaching at the convention

Hi Jeannine ... maybe I can answer some of your questions ....

>1. Do they accept all volunteers to teach?  Do I need to present any
>credentials?

Virtually all volunteers who want to teach are accepted, very gratefully
..

>
>2. How long are the class sessions, and how many students are in a
>class?
>

The class sessions are 45 minutes, 1 hour and 45 minutes, or 2 hours and 45
minutes, and there are a max of 24-26 students per class ...

>3. The form seems to imply one model = one session.  Some models are
>so simple, I would want to teach several in an hour. All my models are
>modular.  Some modules only take 5 minutes to teach, but require more
>than an hour to complete all the pieces and their assembly.  Still, if
>the students couldn't actually finish during class, they would know
>how to finish later. Is it better to finish one model, or to teach
>several models that the students can complete later?

You can teach as many models as you can fit into a class session (and
usually simple models are taught in shorter sessions, but we're flexible).
We've done modulars both ways .... sometimes planning to complete
everything in one class, and sometimes planning to just teach the module
and let the students complete it later. We've also done it where there's
one session (say Sat AM) to teach the modules, and then another session
(say Sun PM) to put them together. Once you volunteer to teach, someone
(me, Tony Cheng or Maria Velazquez) will call you to discuss the specifics
of your class.
>
>4.  I don't know how to rate the level of my models.  All, I think,
>are "simple" as far as folding goes.  But assembly is often harder.
>Perhaps some of you who have folded my designs could tell me how you

>
When in doubt, rate your model harder than you think it is. First, because
it's sometimes hard to teach a large group (especially modulars). Second,
because people tend to get in over their heads.

>5. Business cards aren't exactly paper.  Will anybody object if I
>teach folds made from them?  I can provide all the cards the class
>will need.
>
Paper is paper ... who cares what form or thickness!

Your stuff sounds great ... can't wait to meet it! If you have any other
questions, let me know ....

Jan Polish





Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 01:13:42 -0300
From: jpolish@usa.pipeline.com (Jan Polish)
Subject: How will we know eachother at the Convention?

On Thu, 11 May 1995, 'Cynthia Pettit' said:

>Is anyone interested in having some identifying sign on our name tags
>this year?  I, personally, put a :-) at the end of my name for my
>badge [I hope they understand to put it exactly like that!]
>

Since I do the registration processing, here's my offer ...

Once everyone decides what they want (and I like the  :-) idea, too or
maybe an @ sign?) I'll make sure they're on the name tags of anyone who
sends me an E-Mail telling me they're coming ...

Okay? .... Jan Polish (either at jpolish@usa.pipeline.com or at
jan_polish@colpal.com) ....





Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 01:21:52 -0300
From: Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@pipeline.com>
Subject: teaching at the convention

On Thu, 11 May 1995 Jeannine Mosely <j9@concentra.com> said:

>Second, I have never been to the convention before, but I would like to
>volunteer to teach some of my models.  Perhaps this is a bit presumptuous
for a
>first timer, but I have taught quite a bit in other places.  So,
>
>1. Do they accept all volunteers to teach?  Do I need to present any
>credentials?

To add to what Valerie Van wrote, to my knowlege, there has not been a case
of a person turned down for teaching. Nonetheless, the standards have been
quite good. Incidently, I taught at my first convention (when I was 10 with
no credentials). It was a great experience.
>
>2. How long are the class sessions, and how many students are in a class?

The class sessions have been in 45 minute intervals. This does non seem
likely to change anytime soon. Consequently, for the simpler classes, most
teachers have taught groups of models. Others have taught informally (i.e.,
not as an official convention class).

While one of the convention coordiators will fill you in on the details
(upon offerring your services), you can set a class size limit. A typical
class size is about 20 people.
>
>3. The form seems to imply one model = one session.  Some models are so
simple,
>I would want to teach several in an hour. All my models are modular.  Some

>modules only take 5 minutes to teach, but require more than an hour to
complete
>all the pieces and their assembly.  Still, if the students couldn't
actually
>finish during class, they would know how to finish later. Is it better to

>finish one model, or to teach several models that the students can
complete
>later?

A solution that many teachers have employed for modulars is to make the
event into a group project. The students can produce several modeles and
attach them, and those pieces would form one or two completed structures
(depending on class size).
>
>4.  I don't know how to rate the level of my models.  All, I think, are
>"simple" as far as folding goes.  But assembly is often harder. Perhaps
some of
>you who have folded my designs could tell me how you would rate them. In
>particular, I was thinking of teaching the stellated dodecahedron(s) that
I
>posted to this group last year.  Also, I have some new designs for
"butterfly
>bombs".  I consider them to be of approximately equal difficulty with the

>original butterfly bomb, but I don't know how hard anyone else considers
that
>model.  Some people, apparently, have enough trouble building it that they

>construct tools to help them.

Modulars can be hard to rate in term of difficulty. I would probably rate
the "Butterfly Bomb" as being simple, but since you are unsure, you might
feel safer giving the model a higher difficulty rating. Again, the
convention coordinators should be of assistance.
>
>5. Business cards aren't exactly paper.  Will anybody object if I teach
folds
>made from them?  I can provide all the cards the class will need.

I am sure that it would be fine, provided that you do not turn your class
into a commercial enterprise.

Happy teaching,
Marc Kirschenbaum





Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 01:53:38 -0300
From: Stamm@aol.com
Subject: Re: How will we know eachother at the Convention?

Last year we use "@OLO" at the end of our names for On Line Origami





Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 04:18:18 -0300
From: DBSH47B@prodigy.com (MRS. JANET J HAMILTON)
Subject: Re: teaching at the convention

-- [ From: Janet Hamilton * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --

Jeannine,

I don't believe yoiu need to present any credentials to teach, and
there are many sessions that teach more than one model.  Many classes
also have assistants assigned to help out anyone who gets bogged down
so the whole class isn't held up. Each session is slotted for 45
minutes, with 15 minutes between in case a class runs a little over or
break".  Some classes are scheduled for double sessions (1 hourr 45
minutes), or triple sessions (2 hours 45 minutes).

I have seen modulars sometimes listed with two difficulties, one for
the folding and one for assembly.

Any origami purists who object to folding non-square paper have the
option of not taking your class.

Janet





Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 04:49:44 -0300
From: Nick@tritec.demon.co.uk (Nick Robinson)
Subject: Re: Robert Lang's Sea Urchin

> It seems as if the Sea Urchin has the most spikes that I have seen on any
> model.  Is this true?  If not, what model has the most spikes?

I prefer making the "Bald Urchin".... &:)

Nick





Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 04:51:25 -0300
From: Nick@tritec.demon.co.uk (Nick Robinson)
Subject: TreeMaker - more fun than snooker?

Hi Robert,

>  you can keep a copy of the program to play around with (though
>  only an alpha version, it's pretty cool and fun to play with).

Certainly is, but not as much fun as a good game of snooker???

Tawwa,

Elmer





Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 04:59:07 -0300
From: Nick@tritec.demon.co.uk (Nick Robinson)
Subject: Visits to GB.....

>           I will be in Great Britain June 8-20, and was wondering if
>           any BOS members had any suggestions as to where I can go to
>           get supplies, meet origami people, perhaps visit BOS
>           headquarters, etc.

Hi Lillian, glad to hear you're going to visit our "sunny"
shores. Let me know whereabouts you'll be staying & I'll see
what I can sort out. There isn't really a place to buy supplies
(we have no official centre) unless you're in the Birmingham
district when a trip to our warehouse might be possible.

Shame you couldn't make it later in the year for our convention
in the historic town of York.....

Cheers,

Nick





Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 12:19:04 -0300
From: cardiff!vann@uunet.uu.net (V'Ann Cornelius)
Subject: Re:  How will we know eachother at the Convention?

> Since I do the registration processing, here's my offer ...
>
> Once everyone decides what they want (and I like the  :-) idea, too or
> maybe an @ sign?) I'll make sure they're on the name tags of anyone who
> sends me an E-Mail telling me they're coming ...
>
> Okay? .... Jan Polish (either at jpolish@usa.pipeline.com or at
> jan_polish@colpal.com) ....

Welcome to origami-l.
Thanks for being will to incorporate the cue into the name tag.
Maybe people can let you know the sign they prefer when they
send their names to you.

    :-)        or    @      or       @OLO

V'Ann
vann@cardiff.com





Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 12:31:11 -0300
From: marmonk@mail.eskimo.com (Mark Morden)
Subject: Mother's Day suggestion

Here is a suggestion for those who have been trying to figure out an
appropriate Mother's Day model to fold.  How about the Kangaroo in Peter
Engle's book.  (Angelfish to Zen??? Can't remember the title)   The Kangaroo
has a little Roo sticking it's head out of the mother's "pouch."  Sort of a
mother/child theme.  I already folded an Engle heart/arrow for my Mom so I
will give the kangaroo to my wife.

If you do fold the Kangaroo, use thin paper.  The layers really start to add
up in the final steps.

Mark Morden == marmonk@mail.eskimo.com
--------------------------------------------------------
I believe in Christianity as I belive in the rising sun;
not because I see it but by it I see all else.
                                           C.S. Lewis





Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 13:57:59 -0300
From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@dorsai.dorsai.org>
Subject: Re: How will we know eachother at the Convention?

> Thanks for being will to incorporate the cue into the name tag.
> Maybe people can let you know the sign they prefer when they
> send their names to you.
>
>     :-)        or    @      or       @OLO
Wouldn't make more sense that we all agree on one symbol rather than make
Jan go through each name then check which symbol that specific individual
wishes?

Well, whatever. If one wishes to vote on the symbol I'd vote for the :-) but
would certainly go along with any decision.

--
Sheldon Ackerman
ackerman@dorsai.dorsai.org
sheldon.ackerman@nycps.nycenet.edu





Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 14:37:41 -0300
From: Mary Jane Heussner <rgtmjh@gsusgi2.Gsu.EDU>
Subject: Re: How will we know eachother at the Convention?

Wow, Jan, with all the stuff you're doing right now, I can't believe
you're volunteering to make things even more complex!  Thank you!!

I vote for :-)

Mary Jane





Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 16:57:01 -0300
From: Richard Kennedy <KENNEDRA@ibm3090.bham.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Help! (Lillian Sun, June 8-20, GB)

Where to find origami supplies in the UK:

1) London.
      There are two Japanese book shops in Central London:
      a) Japan Centre Bookshop,
         Piccadilly.                  (a few yards from Piccadilly
                                       Circus tube station).
      b) Nippon Bookshop,
         St. Paul's Churchyard.       (a few yards from St. Pauls
                                       tube station).

      The former has a better selection of books. Both stock a variety
      of papers, plain and patterned, over a wide range of sides. If
      you need full addresses and/or 'phone numbers contact me again.

      Most big book shops in England can be expected to have a few
      origami books. Some arts and crafts shops stock origami paper.
      In London you can buy origami paper from the Muji chain of
      shops, it's quite cheap (1:50 pounds for 100 sheets 6in). The
      colours are strong, but the squares are not that accurate. I
      know there is a Muji shop near Covent Garden, just off Neal
      Street East.

As Nick mentioned, the BOS supplies are held in a warehouse in
Birmingham. As you may have spotted, I'm in Birmingham! I also know
the person who maintains the warehouse. I'm told it's difficult to
visit (you need a torch), but if you could provide an indication of
what you're interested in, it should be possible to bring a selection
out of the darkness - the BOS supplies list (if you have one) will
tell you what is available - paper & books, convention packs from
past meetings & BOS booklets (these are definitely worth a look).You
will need to come to Birmingham for 'in person' access to supplies,
and I think we'll need a bit of notice.

I've just been checking my diary. Although we hold quite a few
mini-meetings in the Midlands, none of them fall in the period of
your visit. Groups also meet in London, Manchester, and several
other locations. Visitors are always welcome, and it is not unknown
for us to slip in special meetings when we here of origami visitors!
If you could let me know your itinerary, I could pass the word
around.

I hope we will meet, best wishes,

Richard Kennedy.





Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 18:11:08 -0300
From: "BOB T. LYNCH" <blynch@du.edu>
Subject: torch in warehouse

Richard -

Wouldn't it be rather dangerous to take a torch into a warehouse full of paper?

:-D  (I really know that a torch is a flashlight.... )

Dee





Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 18:20:44 -0300
From: rshuster@netaxs.com (Bob Shuster)
Subject: Re: Pages

>     I just finished my first  inspection on Joseph Wu's origami page and
>was very impressed!!!  I've "seen" fellow folders  for the first time and
>downloaded several of the diagrams which look pretty good.  I didn't have
>time to go through everything but what I saw was very immpressive.  Being
>able to see completed models before you  buy a book is an excellent way
>to personally  rate the book.  Does the archives have a www site accessible
>on Netscape??  And are there other 'Pages' available to browse?? I would
>very much like to know the addresses if these are available.  Thanks

Joseph has a listing of other origami homepages on his site!  You just
didn't look hard enough! :)  I also have a listing on my page.  Take a look
at

http://www.netaxs.com/~rshuster/hotlist.html#origami

Also make sure to visit *my* origami page (that's just the listing!) @

http://www.netaxs.com/~rshuster/origami.html

Happy folding   - Bob

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Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 00:06:00 -0300
From: billhall@computek.net (Bill Hall)
Subject: Re: How will we know eachother at the Convention?

Alas, I am stuck in Dallas, and won't be able to join you for the
convention. Sounds like you are all in for a good time.

I have been "lurking" on this list for several months. I have been an
origamist for about 15 years now. I once was a member of the now-defunct
Lone Star Origami Club, and was active in local exhibitions, mostly at the
Fort Worth Japanese Garden. We also once did an event at the Dallas
Bloomingdales when they were doing a Japanese theme. We had lots of fun
drawing crowds by just sitting at a table and folding, teaching, giving away
origami... lots of fun.

I haven't really been in touch with origami for several years now, but I've
been drooling over the descriptions of some of the stuff that's out now. I
am getting more interested again, however. I actually took some paper to
work a couple of weeks ago and have gotten some mild interest to the stuff
I've put around my office.

Does anyone know if there's an active club here in Dallas?

================================================
Hey, just because I _look_ dumb doesn't mean I'm _not_!
Bill Hall (billhall@computek.net) Dallas





Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 06:59:45 -0300
From: "Mr B.R. Stephens" <bruce@liverpool.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Help! (Lillian Sun, June 8-20, GB)

> I've just been checking my diary. Although we hold quite a few
> mini-meetings in the Midlands, none of them fall in the period of
> your visit. Groups also meet in London, Manchester, and several
> other locations. Visitors are always welcome, and it is not unknown
> for us to slip in special meetings when we here of origami visitors!
> If you could let me know your itinerary, I could pass the word
> around.

The Manchester group meets on the third Saturday of each month
(mostly), so we'll probably meet on the 17 June.

--
Bruce                   Institute of Advanced Scientific Computation
bruce@liverpool.ac.uk   University of Liverpool





Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 23:03:14 -0300
From: Folderbuck@aol.com
Subject: Re: Texas Origami

Dear Bill Hall,
       Sorry you won't be able to join us at the convention in June, but I'm
glad to hear your interest in paperfolding returning. I've scanned the latest
Origami USA (formerly Friends of the Origami Center of America) newsletter
and some of the older OUSA Regional Group Exchange newsletters and have come
up with the Lone Star Origami Club, which you now indicate is out of
commission. Unfortunately, no other groups are listed for Texas or any
adjoining states. Perhaps someone with other information will read this and
chime in with new info for you. Otherwise, you might consider starting a
group yourself. Origami USA has a wealth of information that can help you get
started. Write to:
   Origami USA
   15 West 77 Street
   New York, N.Y.  10024-5192

Good Luck and let us know if you can start a group.

Steve Buck
Capital Folders Origami

folderbuck@aol.com





Date: Sun, 14 May 1995 00:08:27 -0300
From: billhall@computek.net (Bill Hall)
Subject: Re: Texas Origami

>       Sorry you won't be able to join us at the convention in June, but I'm
>glad to hear your interest in paperfolding returning.

Me, too. Sounds like loads of fun.

> I've scanned the latest
>Origami USA (formerly Friends of the Origami Center of America) newsletter
>and some of the older OUSA Regional Group Exchange newsletters and have come
>up with the Lone Star Origami Club, which you now indicate is out of
>commission.

Or perhaps I've just lost touch with them. Anyone else been in touch with
Lone Star Origami Club?

> Otherwise, you might consider starting a
>group yourself.

Unfortunately, I just don't have the time. BTW, I was one of the founding
members of Lone Star Origami Club.

>Origami USA has a wealth of information that can help you get
>started. Write to:
>   Origami USA
>   15 West 77 Street
>   New York, N.Y.  10024-5192

Thanks for the info. Did this group come from Lillian Oppenheimer's original
group? Nice lady. I actually had the privilege to talk to her on the
telephone once.

================================================
Hey, just because I _look_ dumb doesn't mean I'm _not_!
Bill Hall (billhall@computek.net) Dallas





Date: Sun, 14 May 1995 00:11:35 -0300
From: Sharon Gordon <gordons@infi.net>
Subject: Ohio origami groups?

Are there any folding groups in the Cincinnati-Dayton area of Ohio?

Sharon
gordons@infi.net





Date: Sun, 14 May 1995 00:20:03 -0300
From: Josh Kifer <kiferj@elwha.evergreen.edu>
Subject: Hi!

Hi I'm new to the list.  My name is Josh Kifer and I'm in Olympia, WA, USA

Can anyone point me to some good starting locations for broadening my
understanding of origami.. also, I'd like to learn some new shapes..

thanks!





Date: Sun, 14 May 1995 00:34:33 -0300
From: billhall@computek.net (Bill Hall)
Subject: Re: Hi!

>Hi I'm new to the list.  My name is Josh Kifer and I'm in Olympia, WA, USA

Glad to meet you. I'm new to the list, too, but I've been doing Origami for
a while.

>Can anyone point me to some good starting locations for broadening my
>understanding of origami.. also, I'd like to learn some new shapes..

The first place I'd go is to your local public library. Almost all the
libraries around here have books on origami. And they can usually borrow
books from other libraries if not.

================================================
Hey, just because I _look_ dumb doesn't mean I'm _not_!
Bill Hall (billhall@computek.net) Dallas





Date: Sun, 14 May 1995 16:01:20 -0300
From: jdharris@csn.net (Jerry D. Harris)
Subject: Regional Groups

>Are there any folding groups in the Cincinnati-Dayton area of Ohio?
>
>Sharon

Sharon et al -

        I have a contact for the Cincinnati Origami Guild (COG) c/o Gloria
Farison, at (513) 451-2052.

        Bill et al, if you're listening (!), the last contact I have for
the Lone Star Origami Club is Marie Cole, at (817) 738-4443 in Ft. Worth.
I'll be interested to hear if it's defunct or not, as I'll be moving to
Dallas in a couple months.  Keep us posted...?  8-)

Jerry D. Harris
Denver Museum of Natural History
2001 Colorado Blvd.
Denver, CO  80205
(303) 370-6403
Internet:  jdharris@teal.csn.net
CompuServe:  73132,3372

--)::)>   '''''''''''''/O\'''''''''''`  Jpq--   =o}\   w---^/^\^o

Overheard in the Denver Museum's
old Fossil Mammal Hall, from a mother
to her daugher:

"See there?  That's the camel-dinosaur, and
the horse-dinosaur, and the elephant-dinosaur..."

--)::)>   '''''''''''''/O\'''''''''''`  Jpq--   =o}\   w---^/^\^o





Date: Sun, 14 May 1995 17:02:54 -0300
From: billhall@computek.net (Bill Hall)
Subject: Re: Regional Groups

Jerry Harris wrote:

>        Bill et al, if you're listening (!), the last contact I have for
>the Lone Star Origami Club is Marie Cole, at (817) 738-4443 in Ft. Worth.
>I'll be interested to hear if it's defunct or not, as I'll be moving to
>Dallas in a couple months.  Keep us posted...?  8-)

Yes! I just talked to Marie Louise (Marie is pronounced as "Mary"). The
group is still active. They meet monthly during the school year and try to
meet once during the summer. They'll be meeting after the convention so that
they can get a report from one of the members who will be attending. (Sorry,
don't remember his name.)

Looking forward to meeting you when you get in town. My phone number is
214-330-7576. Or call Marie Louise. You also have my E-Mail address :-)

================================================
Hey, just because I _look_ dumb doesn't mean I'm _not_!
Bill Hall (billhall@computek.net) Dallas





Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 00:27:09 -0300
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Not going to Convention? Check this out

If you're not going to the Origami USA Convention, there's a
new service this year: a "Sorry I Can't Attend Kit". It will have
all the neat stuff from the Convention Survival Kit: The big
Annual Collection Book, T-Shirt, button, origami paper, handouts,
etc.

The kit is available to members only (join up!), costs $40 (the
book is $20 to members, $25 to non-members), orders must be
postmarked prior to June 20, in envelope marked "Sorry 95",
address/check to Origami USA at the regular society address.

Valerie Vann 75070,304  or
>INTERNET:75070.304@compuserve.com
>INternet:vvann@delphi.com





Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 00:37:43 -0300
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: "Found Paper": PostIts (tm)

There was mention some time back of various "found Paper"
(gum wrappers, tickets, lottery play slips, etc.) and some
folks were using PostIts. Did you know that in addition to
the wimpy pastel colors, they now come in NEON colors?
(lime green, melon orange, light pink, hot pink, lemon yellow)
They are neon, but not florescent, the paper quality is pretty
nice, and the color is solid (both sides). They come in
rectangular (1200 in all variety pac of small pads), square
(3 in x 3 in) in blocks of 5 pads. The square-ness is quite
accurate too. The paper is about 30-40 lb, not quite card stock,
and works fine for modulars.

(QUILL mail order supply carries them)

Its fun to invent & adapt designs to compensate for or take advantage
of the (AHEM, ER, Sorry...) built in GLUE.

Valerie Vann 75070,304  or
>INTERNET:75070.304@compuserve.com
>INTERNET:vvann@delphi.com
>INTERNET:valerivann@aol.com





Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 07:35:03 -0300
From: Richard Kennedy <KENNEDRA@ibm3090.bham.ac.uk>
Subject: Dogs (Rotweiler)

Folowing the succcessful search for an Akita, does anyone know of diagrams
for a Rotweiler(hope this spelling is correct). Required for an
Intermediate/Advanced folder.

With thanks

Richard Kennedy.





Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 09:41:16 -0300
From: casida@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Casida Mark)
Subject: Re: Butterfly Ball

Hi all,

I've never seen a real butterfly ball or even instructions, but
there were enough clues on the list to lead me to fold what I
think is a butterfly ball.  I just want to ask a few questions
to make sure I've got it right:

You start with 6 squares and fold each into a balloon base.
Right so far?  Each balloon base has four flaps.  You
interlock bases by inserting a flap from one into the flap
of another.  If you do it right (and I think that there is
only one way to do it), you get a structurally sound
object which looks like 4 mutually perpendicular squares
which join in one central point and whose edges define the
edges of a regular octahedron.  Have I got that right for
a butterfly ball?  If you use 2 squares of each of 3 colors,
you can make the 3 intersecting squares to each have a different
color.  If you use 3 squares of each of 2 colors, getting
something reasonably "symmetric" posed a slight problem, until
I required that each of the four squares be half-and-half
in each of the two colors.  The result may come in either of
two mirror images.

Now for the part that I really don't understand.  Assuming that
I have got everything right up to this point for a butterfly
ball, how do you explode it?  Is there a special technique for
maximum effect?

                               ... Mark





Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 10:54:24 -0300
From: Grace Chiu <chiug@Cognos.COM>
Subject: Re: Not going to Convention? Check this out

> If you're not going to the Origami USA Convention, there's a
> new service this year: a "Sorry I Can't Attend Kit". It will have
> all the neat stuff from the Convention Survival Kit: The big
> Annual Collection Book, T-Shirt, button, origami paper, handouts,
> etc.
>

So, do you get this stuff if you do go to the Convention?
I've registered but I'm trying to gauge how much stuff I'll
be bringing back through Canada Customs.  Does anyone know
if books and paper are duty free yet?

Grace





Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 10:58:23 -0300
From: Martin Gibbs <mrg1001@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Butterfly Ball

I know which model you've got and I don't think it's a butterfly ball.  A
butterfly ball has more than six units though I don't know exactly how
many.  Someone on the list must know how many you need!

On Mon, 15 May 1995, Casida Mark wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I've never seen a real butterfly ball or even instructions, but
> there were enough clues on the list to lead me to fold what I
> think is a butterfly ball.  I just want to ask a few questions
> to make sure I've got it right:
>
> You start with 6 squares and fold each into a balloon base.
> Right so far?  Each balloon base has four flaps.  You
> interlock bases by inserting a flap from one into the flap
> of another.  If you do it right (and I think that there is
> only one way to do it), you get a structurally sound
> object which looks like 4 mutually perpendicular squares
> which join in one central point and whose edges define the
> edges of a regular octahedron.  Have I got that right for
> a butterfly ball?  If you use 2 squares of each of 3 colors,
> you can make the 3 intersecting squares to each have a different
> color.  If you use 3 squares of each of 2 colors, getting
> something reasonably "symmetric" posed a slight problem, until
> I required that each of the four squares be half-and-half
> in each of the two colors.  The result may come in either of
> two mirror images.
>
> Now for the part that I really don't understand.  Assuming that
> I have got everything right up to this point for a butterfly
> ball, how do you explode it?  Is there a special technique for
> maximum effect?
>
>                                ... Mark





Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 11:50:02 -0300
From: FBrafman <fbrafman@SMTPLink.Barnard.Columbia.edu>
Subject: Re: Dogs (Collie)

     And while we're on the subject, anyone know of diagrams for a collie?
     Or a bearded collie?

     Thanks.

     Florrie

______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Dogs (Rotweiler)
Author:  origami-l@nstn.ca at Internet-Mail
Date:    5/15/95 6:47 AM

Folowing the succcessful search for an Akita, does anyone know of diagrams
for a Rotweiler(hope this spelling is correct). Required for an
Intermediate/Advanced folder.

With thanks

Richard Kennedy.





Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 13:49:45 -0300
From: John Olsson <d91johol@und.ida.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Dogs (Collie)

>     And while we're on the subject, anyone know of diagrams for a collie?
>     Or a bearded collie?
>
>     Thanks.
>
>     Florrie
>
>
Well, I do have a desription, in Swedish, of a Collie consisting of
2 birdcases. You use one birdcase to the head and foreleggs and the
other to the rest...

John





Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 15:35:51 -0300
From: Jeannine Mosely <j9@concentra.com>
Subject: Re: Butterfly Ball

Mark,

What you describe is not the butterfly ball.  It is an interesting
geometric construction, though.  I think I saw this design in a
booklet by Arnstein and Lewis that I got from Rona Gurkewitz. (Rona,
are you still on this list?)  Here's how to make the butterfly ball.

You need 12 units.  When you make the balloon base, you normally would
put in two diagonal creases (mountain) and a horizontal and vertical
crease (valley).  For the butterfly ball only a horizontal crease is
needed.  The shape you are trying to make is related to the
cuboctahedron.  Imagine the following: take a (solid) cube and
inscribe a square in each of its faces by drawing lines connecting the
mid-point of each edge with the mid-point of an adjacent edge.  Slice
off each corner of the cube along these lines and you will get 8 new
faces that are equilateral triangles.  This is the cuboctahedron.

Now suppose instead that your cube was hollow.  When you cut off the
corners you would get 8 triangular holes instead of faces.  You could
turn the corners you just cut off around and stick them into the
holes, like 8 pyramidical dimples.  Or better yet, don't cut off the
corners at all, just "sink" them.

Here's how the modules fit together to make this shape.  Each unit is
split into two large triangles and 4 small triangles.  The large
triangles make the square faces of the cuboctahedron and the small
triangles make the faces of the corner dimples.  Four triangles from
four separate units overlap in pinwheel fashion on each square face.
Three pairs of small triangles from three separate units overlap in
pinwheel fashion at each corner dimple.

Hope this helps.

        -- jeannine





Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 16:24:03 -0300
From: Rjlang@aol.com
Subject: Re: TreeMaker - more fun than snooker?

> >  you can keep a copy of the program to play around with (though
> >  only an alpha version, it's pretty cool and fun to play with).
>
> Certainly is, but not as much fun as a good game of snooker???

Ah, 'tis heady stuff, but neither can compare with watching a nice game of
British football (specially when Sheffield's on the green, eh?). Right up
there with cricket, it is. (Cue segue to Tolmie on the delights of
cricket...) And speaking of insects, the films for Origami Insects have been
delivered to Dover and its first public appearance will be at OUSAcon
Supplies Center!

Robert





Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 17:27:10 -0300
From: Richard Kennedy <KENNEDRA@ibm3090.bham.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: torch in warehouse

Dee

I should have remembered that one from when I worked in the States.
There were some other words as well. Lets see:

    Rubber              for removing pencil marks from paper!
    Laying the table    putting cutlery and crockery on the table!

Richard.





Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 19:20:05 -0300
From: marmonk@mail.eskimo.com (Mark Morden)
Subject: A Seattle/Puget Sound area folders group?

There has been talk on and off about a folders group for Seattle or the
Puget Sound area.  There is a group up in Vancouver and one down in
Portland.  I think we need to fill in the gap.  Because I would like to meet
others in this area who enjoy paper folding, I am willing to take care of
the organization stuff.  Who out there is interested?  I guess at this point
I only need a few bits of information:

1.  Who you are
2.  Where you live in this area, generally (King County, Seattle, Tacoma,
north, south,etc.)
3.  When would be a good time for you to get together.

Either e-mail me directly or through the listserv group and I will let you
know the results.

Thanks
Mark Morden == marmonk@mail.eskimo.com
--------------------------------------------------------
I believe in Christianity as I belive in the rising sun;
not because I see it but by it I see all else.
                                           C.S. Lewis





Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 20:05:49 -0300
From: Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@pipeline.com>
Subject: Re: Not going to Convention? Check this out

On Mon, 15 May 1995 Grace Chiu <chiug@Cognos.COM> said:

>> If you're not going to the Origami USA Convention, there's a
>> new service this year: a "Sorry I Can't Attend Kit". It will have
>> all the neat stuff from the Convention Survival Kit: The big
>> Annual Collection Book, T-Shirt, button, origami paper, handouts,
>> etc.
>>
>
>So, do you get this stuff if you do go to the Convention? I've registered
but
>I'm trying to gauge how much stuff I'll be bringing back through Canada

Yes, all of this stuff will be included if you attend the Convention. In
reality, you will probably have to bring home a lot more; with the supplies
center, gold mine, and other shopping oppertunities, few people have been
able to resist.
>Customs.  Does anyone know if books and paper are duty free yet?
This I do not know, but I have seen Cannadian folders make numerous
purchases at prevoius conventions.

Happy shopping
Marc Kirschenbaum
>
>Grace





Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 20:22:34 -0300
From: Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@pipeline.com>
Subject: (Fwd) Re: Dogs (Collie)

In Outbox: Your outgoing mail marckrsh said:
Subject: Re: Dogs (Collie)
From: marckrsh

On Mon, 15 May 1995 John Olsson <d91johol@und.ida.liu.se> said:

>>     And while we're on the subject, anyone know of diagrams for a
collie?
>>     Or a bearded collie?

>Well, I do have a desription, in Swedish, of a Collie consisting of 2
>birdcases. You use one birdcase to the head and foreleggs and the other to
the
>rest...

Are you reffering to the Collie found in Isao Honda's
_The_World_of_Origami_ ? I used to fold that model a lot.

Marc Kirschenbaum





Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 23:32:33 -0300
From: sychen@ENH.NIST.GOV (Shi-Yew Chen)
Subject: Re: (Fwd) Re: Dogs (Collie)

>In Outbox: Your outgoing mail marckrsh said:
>To: John Olsson <d91johol@und.ida.liu.se>
>Subject: Re: Dogs (Collie)
>From: marckrsh
>
>On Mon, 15 May 1995 John Olsson <d91johol@und.ida.liu.se> said:
>
>
>>>     And while we're on the subject, anyone know of diagrams for a
>collie?
>>>     Or a bearded collie?
>
>>Well, I do have a desription, in Swedish, of a Collie consisting of 2
>>birdcases. You use one birdcase to the head and foreleggs and the other to
>the
>>rest...
>
>Are you reffering to the Collie found in Isao Honda's
>_The_World_of_Origami_ ? I used to fold that model a lot.
>
>Marc Kirschenbaum
>

Robert Lang's Collie is in Origami Zoo. You may check it out.
-----------------------------------------
Shi-Yew Chen (Sy)
Office TEL: (301)975-4675
E-Mail: sychen@enh.nist.gov
WWW: http://www.iia.org/~chens/syhome.htm





Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 01:34:35 -0300
From: "BOB T. LYNCH" <blynch@du.edu>
Subject: post-its

Hi!  I have seen the neon colored post its and I thought I would tell you that
you may not have to order them - some of the big discount office supply
places here in Denver carry them (Office Max, Office Depot, etc.) so you may
want to try those places for the post-its too. I have even seen them
at Target (I think) but they would be more expensive...

Dee





Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 05:01:03 -0300
From: Jeffrey.z.h.t.o.f.Tolmie@zhflur.ch.ubs.ch
Subject: Re: TreeMaker - more fun than snooker

I know, I know, this has got absolutely nothing to do with origami,
but I just cant resist the temtation.

>Ah, 'tis heady stuff, but neither can compare with watching a nice game of
>British football (specially when Sheffield's on the green, eh?). Right up
Well, funnily enough, the brits actually use their feet on the ball in their
version of football. In the American and Australian forms,  players only do
this if they are about to get clobbered by an opposing player and see no
other way out.

>there with cricket, it is. (Cue segue to Tolmie on the delights of
>cricket...)
I remember using the term "Esky" once in one of our conversations. Since
you didn't know what an "Esky" is, I described it thus:-

"An esky is something you take to the cricket. You put your XXXX in it.
Depending on how boring the game is, you either throw them full
or empty"

(A note for the uninitiated. In Australia XXXX is a brand of beer. In
America a brand of Condom"

;-)

Jeff Tolmie

Jeffrey.Tolmie@zhflur.ubs.ubs.ch





Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 05:15:26 -0300
From: urgias@tsmi19.sissa.it
Subject: Madrid bookstores

        Hi everyone!
        There is someone from Spain in this list? One my
        friend will stay in Madrid for a week at the end of May:
        do you know about Japanese (or not) stores where she can
        find origami books or paper?

        Thank you!

        Luisa Urgias





Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 06:29:30 -0300
From: fernando@silvio.tid.es (Fernando Pina Caballero)
Subject: Re: Madrid bookstores

        Hi:

        There is one bookstore in Madrid which sells origami books and special
paper. Its name is "Libreria Aranda" and it's located in General Yague street.
I don't remember the number but it's near Orense street.

        Fernando Pina
        Telefonica I+D
        Madrid, Spain





Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 07:08:37 -0300
From: Aimee Miura <aimeem@ohana.com>
Subject: More dogs!

Richard and John,

You should both probably check out the same book I suggested to Jennifer,
Yasuhiro Sano's _Origami 1: paper folding for fun_, ISBN 4-88643-008-2.

For the record, this book lists the following models, which all look
pretty doable (all under 30 steps):

German Shepherd                        Chin
Basset Hound                           Collie
Scottish Terrier                       Dachshund
Maltese                                Yorkshire Terrier
Cocker Spaniel                         Sleeping Great Dane
Corgi                                  Setter
Chihuahua                              Miniature Pinscher
Rottweiler (2 pieces)                  Poodle (2 pieces)
Pomeranian                             Akita (2 pieces)

I apologize for any spelling errors, but I'm trying to correct the
interesting Japanese spellings (terrior) off the top of my head!  Some of
these dogs are more abstract than others, but the Rottweiler and Collie
look fairly realistic..

Aimee





Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 07:21:57 -0300
From: Aimee Miura <aimeem@ohana.COM>
Subject: One more dog.

For anybody who's interested, I also found Robert Neale's "Thurber Dog"
in _The Best of Origami_ by Samuel Randlett (1966, no ISBN), p. 42.  The
instructions say that this can easily be modified into a scottie.

Aimee





Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 10:55:34 -0300
From: Laurie_Reynolds@smec.sel.sony.com (Laurie Reynolds)
Subject: Re: Ang.: Robert Lang's Sea Urchin

Hi Hans,

Thanks for the info, I am excited to see the urchin in this years OUSA
convention book.  First, I have to master Mr. Lang's 25 pt urchin.  IMHO,
the sea urchin is a very beautiful creature, and Mr. Lang's rendition has
captured it very nicely.  I'm forwarding this to the origami list as I
thought that others might be interested also.

Thanks to everyone who responded to my query.  I also answered my own
question by pulling down Peter Engle (Engel?)'s caterpillar from the
archives.  The number of points here can be endless (if not anotomically
correct).

Hope to see you at the convention!
laurie

> Date: Mon, 15 May 95 14:01:00 -0500
> From: Hans Birkeland <hans@hsomusk.ostmk.no>
> Sender: Hans Birkeland <hans@hsomusk.ostmk.no>
> Organization: HSO Musikkon.
> To: laurie_reynolds@smec.sel.sony.com
> Subject: Ang.: Robert Lang's Sea Urchin
> X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 3.10 MHS to SMTP Gateway
> Content-Length: 592
> X-Lines: 12
> Status: RO
>
> Hi Laurie,
> I have made an 81 pt. sea urchin that will be diagrammed in this years
> OUSA convention book. I have also made diagrams for Meguro's 145 pt. sea
> urchin (not 144..) that have been published recently in Origami
> Tanteidan's 1995 convention booklet.
> As Tom Hull points out, it is possible to make as many points you like,
> the only problem being the constraints on the paper. Using a similar
> method to that of Lang, I found that 81 pt. is close to the
> limit. Meguro's urchin doesn't stress the paper so hard, but then the
> points are somewhat shorter.
>                        Hans





Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 11:07:28 -0300
From: Laurie_Reynolds@smec.sel.sony.com (Laurie Reynolds)
Subject: Re: premade origami - Thanks for the thoughts

Salutations:

Thanks to all who offered thoughts on pre-made origami.
I too think that the human made origami is much more
appealing.

It is however, an interesting problem.  I was thinking
that some suction or air pressure could be used to help
orient the paper, adjust the creases, and take care
against tears.  I had not taken into account the humidty
factor brought up by an earlier posting. I had thought that
size was an easier part of the problem than weight.
The robot that I was thinking of, would first determine
the size of the paper, and then reprogram itself accordingly.

Hmmmmmm - How would one program a robot to make Robert Lang's
sea urchin?  Very hard i think, almost impossible, but
fortunately nothing is impossible!  :-)

laurie

ps - My boss just left for Japan, and I've requested that
        he find out how all the cranes are made at the
        Century Hyatt.  He suspected that the maids had to
        make them.  I'll let people know if he remembers
        to find out.





Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 13:40:24 -0300
From: "BOB T. LYNCH" <blynch@du.EDU>
Subject:

Hi all -

Going back to making cranes by robot, I had a funny experience lately. In
conjunction with a crane project we did for the Make A Wish Foundation, we
had a fold it yourself table at the convention. What we did was an artist in
out group folded the variation of the waterbomb that is in one of Gay Merrill
Gross' books (I think). ANYWAY, after folding it she drew a space scene on it,
complete with an Enterprise. Then I took it to the copy shop that donated copies
for us. I know that copying distorts the image in one direction or the other,
so I asked to just have one copied, so I could make any changes in the drawing
to compensate for the copying distortion. As I was carefully folding the paper
into 8ths one direction and turning it over to fold it into 8ths diagonally,
the copy shop owner looked at me with a horrified look on his face and asked,
"You don't want us to fold all these do you?"  I guess you had to be there,
but it was pretty funny at the time!

Dee





Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 15:30:53 -0300
From: Richard Kennedy <KENNEDRA@ibm3090.bham.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: More dogs! (thank you)

Aimee,

  Thank you for your information about there being a book which I guess
must be devoted to dogs. I'll pass the information along - I think the
real problem will be trying to get hold of the book. It's not likely to
be kept by public libraries, and trying to order japanese books is not
easy.

Thanks again,

Richard.





Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 18:01:34 -0300
From: Jeremy Michael Shafer <jugami@cats.ucsc.edu>
Subject: Re: Iso-area pinwheels

On Mon, 1 May 1995, BOB T. LYNCH wrote:

> Jeremy -
>
> Have you diagrammed the Enterprise that I read about?  I would beg on bended
> knee for diagrams if such a thing were possible on-line... :-)
>
> I am a Star Trek fan from way back when, and I am not creative enough to do
> my own (she said with a sheepish expression... ) I would be very grateful for
> diagrams of that favorite galaxy traveling ship!!
>
> Dee
>

Dee -

        I haven't diagrammed the Enterprise yet but guess what...
I'm teaching it at the convention this year!

        The model is very diagrammable; I just haven't gotten around to
doing it.  After graduating from UC Santa Cruz (4 weeks!) and after
returning from circus camp, Camp Winnarainbow (10 weeks), I will have
oogles of time frolic in the fold, and diagram all day long :). Until then...

                          Studiously,

                          and then Jugglingly,

                                 Jeremy Shafer





Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 21:24:25 -0300
From: blee@goober.mbhs.edu (Blair C. Lee)
Subject: Kawasaki's rose?

Hey all.  I printed out crysrose.ps (I think that's what it's called, at
least) from the archives and I can't figure out how to get those folds
down.  Has anyone out there tried this?  Any ponters, words of advice,
etc?  Thanks for any and all replies!

-Blair





Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 04:03:42 -0300
From: "M.J.van.Gelder" <M.J.van.Gelder@rc.rug.nl>
Subject: Re: Ang.: Robert Lang's Sea Urchin

Hi Laurie,

m>Thanks to everyone who responded to my query.  I also answered my own
m>question by pulling down Peter Engle (Engel?)'s caterpillar from the
m>archives.  The number of points here can be endless (if not anotomically
m>correct).

I have to make a correction: the caterpillar os not Peter Engel's but it is
mine!

Maarten van Gelder, Rekencentrum RuG, RijksUniversiteit Groningen, Holland





Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 06:10:45 -0300
From: LEMIEUXJ@aspen.uml.edu
Subject: Found Paper": 4" x 4" without built in GLUE!

Sold by WAL MART in Plaistow, NH and hopefully the rest of the country.

4" X 4" Pads of paper
Manufactured by AMPAD Corp., Dallas TX 75252
AMPAD #21-901 White $1.17/500 Sheets - 0.0025 in thick.
AMPAD #21-901 Pastel (Blue, Green, Pink, & Yellow) $1.27/450 Sheets - 0.0031"
thick.
AMPAD #21-901 Hot (Orange, Green, Pink, & Yellow) $1.47/350 Sheets - 0.004"
thick.

Occasional pads are not square. To test for squareness, just compare one pad
with another, then rotate one of the two pads 90 degrees with respect to
the other pad. If you can detect a difference at least one pad is not square.
Try again.

Also available from WAL MART and from SPAGS in SHREWSBURY, MA.

Manufactured by Riverside Paper Company, P.O. Box 179, Appleton, WI 54912
8 1/2" X 11" 24 LB. Neon Bond Paper Assorted (Red, Orange, Green, Yellow, Pink)
$3.95/100 Sheets

SPAGS also sells individual color packages for the same price.

This paper has one white side. I use it for Honda's Christmas Tree Ornament.

Have fun
Bob
J. Robert A. Lemieux
lemieuxj@woods.uml.edu





Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 07:41:40 -0300
From: "Mr B.R. Stephens" <bruce@liverpool.ac.UK>
Subject: Re: Kawasaki's rose?

> Hey all.  I printed out crysrose.ps (I think that's what it's called, at
> least) from the archives and I can't figure out how to get those folds
> down.  Has anyone out there tried this?  Any ponters, words of advice,
> etc?  Thanks for any and all replies!

That was my fault!  Firstly, are you familiar with any of his other
roses?  The principle is the same, but this one is a bad first choice,
because all of the twists happen simultaneously, and it takes a little
practice to do them one at a time.  (Also, of course, I haven't explained it
in anything like enough detail!)  Secondly, you may find it easier to
continue the horizontal and vertical creases across all of the paper
(that makes the single rose easier too (they're diagonal creases
there)).

You can fold the little squares by folding a square in half (after
adding the other horizontal or vertical crease), then in half the other
way, and folding a corner over to touch the next crease along.  If you
do it in the right order, that tells you where to fold the other of the
horizontal or vertical creases.

I'm fairly sure I got the relative measurements wrong.  The idea is
that after you've done the twist fold, you fold the diagonal fold such
that the doubled layers of paper touch, but don't overlap.  (The exact
measurements depend on how you've folded the horizontal and vertical
creases, which is variable.)

You'll also need to look at the photo in the book, so you know what
you're aiming at!

--
Bruce                   Institute of Advanced Scientific Computation
bruce@liverpool.ac.uk   University of Liverpool





Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 16:06:57 -0300
From: Grace Chiu <chiug@Cognos.COM>
Subject: Re: Kawasaki's rose? + Ottawa

Blair wrote:
>
> Hey all.  I printed out crysrose.ps (I think that's what it's called, at
> least) from the archives and I can't figure out how to get those folds
> down.  Has anyone out there tried this?  Any ponters, words of advice,
> etc?  Thanks for any and all replies!

Yep.  It's futile if you don't have the instructions for Kawasaki's rose
which I understand is in the "Origami for Connoisseurs" book (which I
don't have but am trying to find).

Are there any Ottawa-area folders lurking on here that might have
this book?  I'd like to borrow it.

I'll be out Tulip Festivalling this weekend, trying to fold paper tulips.

Thanks,

Grace





Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 16:30:28 -0300
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: premade origami & paper characteristics

On the subject of paper & humidity, one of the
interesting characteristics of handmade paper,
and some of the Japanese mulberry papers, is
that it often has less grain than machine made
paper and so creases equally well in all directions,
changes size more or less equally in all directions
(the humidity problem), and has a more cloth-like
texture that's agreeable to curved creases, stretching
and shaping...
--valerie





Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 16:34:05 -0300
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.COM>
Subject: Found Paper": 4" x 4" without built in GLUE!

The neon postits(tm) are colored both sides/all the way thru;
there are also some "bright" pastel (pink,yellow, blue, green)
traditional 3x3 note cubes (600 sheets or so) that are also
colored both sides, and are very square except for the
effect of humidity. The paper is about 30lb and quite nice
quality. I'll post the manufacturer etc when I get home
tonight.
--valerie





Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 16:37:39 -0300
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: post-its, color fading & such

Dee,

Yes, you can find the neon postits all over now, I just mentioned the
Quill catalog as a lot of offices use them. I should mention however,
that Quill and many others use Avery (the big label maker) as the source
of their postits (the "glue" is licensed from 3M) and I've found that
the genuine 3M/Scotch brand, while more expensive, tends to be
square more often and is of slightly better paper quality.

The 3x3 also come in 2 kinds of packages, by the way:
one is a package of separate pads, one ea. of the 5 colors. The
other is a big BLOCK (like a note cube) of layers of the 5 colors,
so you either have to work your way down through it or split it
up into the separate color layers...

There's also a Z-fold pad of alternating pink & green 3x3s.

I don't know yet how well these neon colors resist fading in
florescent light. The neon/florescent copy papers all fade to
pale yellow near white in a day or so under florescent lighting
or sunlight, so don't use them for anything you want to have
around for awhile...

--valerie





Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 16:41:19 -0300
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Not going to Convention? Check this out

RE: duty on paper & books, and the "I can't got to the
Convention package":
The convention info did say that $5 of the price of the
"I can't go" package was for mailing costs, so you
might want to check with OUSA if you're out of the
USA; they might need more $$ for shipping.
--valerie





Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 20:24:15 -0300
From: Phillip Yee <Phillip_Yee++LOCAL+dADR%Nordstrom_6731691@mcimail.com>
Subject: WHAT'S NEW

Hi all!

Does  anyone  know  how  to subscribe  to  the  origami tanteidan
(detective) newsletter? I  heard  it  was  now  available.  Plus,
what's their latest and greatest diagrams?

Thanks!

Dan





Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 20:34:43 -0300
From: Phillip Yee <Phillip_Yee++LOCAL+dADR%Nordstrom_6731691@mcimail.com>
Subject: WET FOLD

Hi,

Has anyone tried wet folding with  a  two  color sheet  of  paper
(single color  on  each  side)?  I  thought about backcoating two
sheets together but wondered if  anyone  has  a favorite type  of
paper used. Although I haven't tried yet,  I  think marbled paper
is  too  thick  to backcoat for complex models  and japanese hand
made types would fuzz up  when wet. Like many people, I  like  my
models to last without the paper "expansion" syndrome, especially
after spending hours on it. I think Kawahata's Musk Ox would look
pretty spectacular wet folded after seeing one folded  by  Joseph
Wu. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks, P----





Date: Sat, 20 May 1995 20:10:56 -0300
From: Folderbuck@aol.COM
Subject: Re: post-its, color fading & ...

Valerie Vann and all others interested in memo cubes,
     I've read with great interest the discussion about using post-it paper
for folding. Office Depot carries note cubes of Astro Brights paper
manufactured by Wausau Papers. For about $4.00, the pad cosists of 550 3 1/2
x 3 1/2 inch sheets, accuartely cut into squares, of 11 colors. Magenta,
lime, forest green, school bus yellow, chinese red, brilliant red-orange,
pumpkin, canary, hot pink, teal and grape. The bar code number is 59598
21501. Check your office supply stores - I've seen essentially the same
product in Kansas City, MO. This stuff is ideal for any kind of modulars and
no adhesive strips to deal with.

Steve





Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 00:58:39 -0300
From: dragon@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
Subject: Re: WET FOLD

I haven't tried that method of wet folding but am curious where to get
Kawhata's pattern for the musk ox.

On Fri, 19 May 1995, Phillip Yee wrote:

>
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Has anyone tried wet folding with  a  two  color sheet  of  paper
> (single color  on  each  side)?  I  thought about backcoating two
> sheets together but wondered if  anyone  has  a favorite type  of
> paper used. Although I haven't tried yet,  I  think marbled paper
> is  too  thick  to backcoat for complex models  and japanese hand
> made types would fuzz up  when wet. Like many people, I  like  my
> models to last without the paper "expansion" syndrome, especially
> after spending hours on it. I think Kawahata's Musk Ox would look
> pretty spectacular wet folded after seeing one folded  by  Joseph
> Wu. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks, P----





Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 02:16:45 -0300
From: billhall@computek.net (Bill Hall)
Subject: Re: WET FOLD

What's all this talk about wet folding? I've been folding for about 15 years
and have never run across it, but I admit that I haven't been really in
touch with the origami community for the past five or six years.

How do you do it, and what does it accomplish? Where can I find out more
about it?

Bill Hall

>I haven't tried that method of wet folding but am curious where to get
>Kawhata's pattern for the musk ox.
>
>On Fri, 19 May 1995, Phillip Yee wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Has anyone tried wet folding with  a  two  color sheet  of  paper
>> (single color  on  each  side)?  I  thought about backcoating two
>> sheets together but wondered if  anyone  has  a favorite type  of
>> paper used. Although I haven't tried yet,  I  think marbled paper
>> is  too  thick  to backcoat for complex models  and japanese hand
>> made types would fuzz up  when wet. Like many people, I  like  my
>> models to last without the paper "expansion" syndrome, especially
>> after spending hours on it. I think Kawahata's Musk Ox would look
>> pretty spectacular wet folded after seeing one folded  by  Joseph
>> Wu. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks, P----
>>
>>
>

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Bill Hall (billhall@computek.net) Dallas
