




Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 17:56:40 -0300
From: spiro@amanda.dorsai.org (Martin Spiro)
Subject: Re: history and significance of origami

>Martin,
>
>> One of the best sources is Peter Engel's book _Origami_From_A_To_Zen_
>> (previous title: _Folding_the_Universe_). It traces the history of the
>> art from China to Japan to the present, as well as parallel developments
>> among the Moors in Spain. Also, if you have access to the World Wide Web,
>> I've got an article on the history of origami on my Origami Page (see
>> below for the location).
>>
>       Tom Hull (he is on this list) also wrote an article (call it a
>paper) on origami history.  You might want to talk to him.
>
>Regards,
>Yusri Johan (gs01yyj@panther.gsu.edu)
>
>
Thanks for all the help
Marty





Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 19:03:18 -0300
From: Kim Best <Kim.Best@m.cc.utah.edu>
Subject: Re: Origami for the young

On Fri, 5 May 1995, V'Ann Cornelius wrote:

>
>    The Samurai Helmet
>
>    The Helmet fold into a puppy.  (demonstrates concept of tools for
>                                   solving more than one problem.)
>
>

Don't you mean into a GUPPY?  I know how to change the Samurai Helmet into a
fish (using two nasty cuts :-< ), but I have never turned one into dog.
Where are the instructions for this.  Makes me feel bad, since it's
supposed to be traditional, and I don't know it.

Kim Best                            *******************************
                                    * There's always a place for  *
Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   *   the angry young man...    *
420 Chipeta Way #120                *     In a kill file!         *
Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         *******************************





Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 19:31:16 -0300
From: Rjlang@aol.com
Subject: TreeMaker at OUSAcon: I need a Mac

Hi, all. Some of you may have heard about my computer program to design
origami that I have been working on over the past few years. I would like to
demonstrate it at the convention in June at my talk on origami design. The
way it works is, you draw a stick figure on the screen; TreeMaker (the
program) then computes the full crease pattern for a base that folds up into
that stick figure. (Earlier versions only found a few of the creases; the
current version finds all of them.) Anyhow, I think it would be an
interesting demo -- but I need a computer to run it on! Is there anyone who:
(1) lives in the New York area, (2) Has access to a Macintosh computer
(preferably a Power Mac (and, dare I hope, a PostScript printer), (3) would
be willing to bring it to the convention for my demo? I can't pay you, but
you can keep a copy of the program to play around with (though only an alpha
version, it's pretty cool and fun to play with).

If anyone is willing and interested, please contact me. Thanks a bunch!

Robert J. Lang
rjlang@aol.com





Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 20:04:42 -0300
From: Yusri Johan <gs01yyj@panther.Gsu.EDU>
Subject: Origami Convention

For those who are interested,
        I have asked for a permission to put the Origami Convention
'95/COET95 registration forms and information online from the Origami
USA.  For those who are not members of OUSA and would like some
information on this event, you can visit this web site; the URL is:
http://www2.gsu.edu/~gs01yyj/ousa/ori_conv.html

A REMINDER:  Origami Convention is only for the Members of OUSA.  If you
are not a member, and would like to go to the convention, you have to
send the completed registration form for the convention as well as a
completed application from for membership.

Regards,
--
Yusri Johan (gs01yyj@panther.gsu.edu)
Georgia State University
http://www2.gsu.edu/~gs01yyj/home.html
Origami Page: http://www2.gsu.edu/~gs01yyj/origami/origami.html





Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 20:38:33 -0300
From: Wise_Lea/furman@furman.edu
Subject: Origami Math Mother w/o email...

Item Subject: Message text
> Greetings fellow folders!
>  Sorry to give this message such a cryptic title, but it is a
rather
> strange request.
> I am writing this on behalf of a pen pal of mine who does not
have a telephone,
> much less email. She lives on an island off the coast of
Washington State. She
> majored in Math in college, and she and her son do a lot of
origami. She is
> seeking a snail mail pen pal.  If anyone is interested in snail
mail
> correspondence with her, please email me, and I will send you
her address, by
> email.
>

I'd love to correspond with her! If you just want to give her my
address, it is:

Ahalya Wise
157 Montague Road #131
Greenville SC 29609





Date: Sat, 6 May 1995 00:24:08 -0300
From: wunn@teleport.com (Ric and Nancy Wunn)
Subject: Re: origami boxes

Gretchen -

Thanks for the information the boxes.  Since discovering them, I have become
obsessed. I keep looking for new and different ways of making them.  I am
familiar with those by Tomoko Fuse.  I have at 3 books that are in Japanese,
and two in English, but I am always looking for new ones.  Any input for
ideas is always appreciated.

Thanks for the address too,

Nancy

>On Thu, 4 May 1995, Nancy Wunn wrote:
>
>> If anyone knows of designs for origami boxes (unique) please let me know
>> where to find them.  Also is there a place where there are FAQs available
>> for Origami?
>
>Nancy -
>
>Anything by Tomoko Fuse.  She has many books out, most in Japanese.  These
>are not too difficult to follow if you have a lot of experience wtih boxes
>already and/or can fold on an intermediate level.  Most of them are
>available throught the Origami Source, Origami USA's mail order service.
>They can be reached at:
>
>       The Origami Source
>       c/o Phyliss Meth
>       40-05 166th Street
>       Flushing, NY  11358
>
>Send a sase with 55 cents postage for the current catalog.
>
>Happy folding from another box fanatic!
>
>- Gretchen





Date: Sat, 6 May 1995 00:57:42 -0300
From: "BOB T. LYNCH" <blynch@du.edu>
Subject: teaching 6-12

Just a not about teaching the 6-12 year old boys. It has been my experience in
the last couple of years that I have been doing classes at libraries that the
younger kids get folded out pretty quick! I would keep your classes at 30 - 45
minutes... or let the little leave when they get bored - and they will even
with cool action models! But even 12 will flag at around 45 minutes to an hour!
If you were doing several classes, you may be able to get all the wonderful
suggestions that V'Ann gave you (tried and true), but is you are doing just
one class, you'll maybe be able to do only 4 or 5 of the models - if that. I
don't know the situation, whether you have an group of kids that are eager to
learn origami, or if it is just a class that mom signed them up for, or it's
something to do on an afternoon, but that will give you an idea as to how long
you can go too. I wish you luck, let us all know how things go! It will be an
experience that you'll never forget if you've never taught before! :-) (I love
it myself... I can't wait until MY kids are old enough to fold!)

Dee





Date: Sat, 6 May 1995 09:11:16 -0300
From: cardiff!vann@uunet.uu.net (V'Ann Cornelius)
Subject: Re: Origami for the young

>Don't you mean into a GUPPY?  I know how to change the Samurai Helmet into a
>fish (using two nasty cuts :-< ), but I have never turned one into dog.
>Where are the instructions for this.  Makes me feel bad, since it's
>supposed to be traditional, and I don't know it.
>

Many instructions show the helmet into a 'guppy'.

My suggestion is actually referring to the 'base'
     fold on diagonal
     bring corners to meet at center corner

Many writers doing beginning fold techniques show a puppy, cat, bat, etc face
by NOT bringing the narrow corners all the way to the center point.
The corners become 'ears'. I'm sure that you remember it by now.

It is not a progression type series like the Helmet to 'guppy'.

To me it is more like...
'Kids like the hat...
It is challenging and they feel like they accomplished something
as they succeed.
Then I show them variations. The puppy is much more simple. So this
lets them take control and play with the idea of the types of animals
they can make with the base.  Many kids get quite creative.

I bet you feel better now. You do know it.

V'Ann
vann@cardiff.com





Date: Sat, 6 May 1995 09:21:50 -0300
From: Nani1949@aol.com
Subject: Re: Origami for the young

One of the best methods I have discovered for working with YOUNG children and
beginning adults is Math in Motion.
For the first time I am able to follow the clear and easy instructions. You
will find the magazine box,  frog, picture frame, a  journal and more.There
is a Cultural Enrichment section that includes Haiku and other FUN stuff for
kids. Good luck and  write and share your experiences.
Math in Motion: Origami in the Classroom
by Barbara Peaarl
Delta Education, l-800-442-5444





Date: Sat, 6 May 1995 22:10:48 -0300
From: Tigi <gab138@arts.usask.ca>
Subject: Re: HP-printer & models in ad

On Thu, 4 May 1995, Valerie Vann wrote:

> reminded me:
>
> Somewhere lately in a PC graphics or desktop publishing tutorial (that came
     with
> the program) there is a
> set of diagrams for an origami model. It might have been Microsoft Publisher,
> but I don't have access to
> that presently. Does this ring a bell with anyone?
>

Yup that was microsoft publisher, but there were only 4 diagrams: a boat,
a cup, a crane and sometning else, i cant rember what right now

---'--@
Ginger





Date: Sun, 7 May 1995 04:24:31 -0300
From: VickyAV@aol.com
Subject: Re: Is there an Akita model out there?

re: Akita model...
I recall from my foggy memory that there is a beautiful Akita in a japanese
book - maybe Yoshizawa.  I can't seem to locate the book now, but I'll keep
trying.  Maybe someone out there has the Yoshizawa collection?

Vicky Mihara Avery





Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 06:01:46 -0300
From: Aimee Miura <aimeem@ohana.com>
Subject: Akita model

Jennifer,
I went to the library today and came across a book which has models of
all sorts of dogs.  The Akita is made from two squares, one for the front
end and one for the back.  The book is called "Origami 1 : paper folding
for fun" by Yasuhiro Sano; ISBN 4-88643-008-2.  My uncle used to have a
really sweet Akita he got in Japan, so maybe I'll make one for him...it's
pretty simple.





Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 10:08:23 -0300
From: urgias@tsmi19.sissa.it
Subject: Proceedings of the Second International Meeting of Origami Science...

        Hi all!
        Does someone know if the proceedings of the Second
        International Meeting of Origami Science and Scientific
        Origami are or will be available?
        If yes: when? How?

        Thank you,

               Luisa urgias





Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 11:34:54 -0300
From: hull@hypatia.math.uri.edu
Subject: Re: Proceedings of the Second International Meeting of Origami
         Science...

Hey everyone!
        No, the Proceedsings for the 2nd Intermational Meeting of Origami
Science are NOT out yet.  They will be available eventually, and I am
told that Origami USA (i.e., The Origami Sourse) will be carrying it
when the book hits the stands.
        Trust me, this Proceedings should be very snapy. As soon as it
comes out I'll let you all know.

------ Tom "cheesecake" Hull





Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 18:22:46 -0300
From: Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>
Subject: Teaching at Convention '95

Obviously this will not be of interest to everyone, but here goes anyway.

The models that I am planning to teach at Convention this year are as
follows: orca (killer whale), teddy bear, When Pigs Grow Wings and Fly,
gryphon, executive stress buster, western dragon, and handbag. Before
anyone asks, the executive stress buster is an action model, similar to
Jeremy Shafer's flashers, that twists and expands around an octagonal
centre. All of the above models are of my design.

I'm posting this list here to see if there was anything in particular
that people want me to teach, but that I've not thought to include. Of
course, you can always grab me outside of class time to teach you
something! 8)

See you all at Convention '95!

Joseph Wu      <jwu@cs.ubc.ca> | Witty quote is now back to the
Master's Student               |   drawing board due to squeamish
University of British Columbia |   readers. Any suggestions?
WWW: http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/jwu/origami.html (Origami Page)





Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 21:33:16 -0300
From: Kevin Thorne <C598033@MIZZOU1.missouri.edu>
Subject: Re: Proceedings of the Second International Meeting of Origami

     This doesn't relate to your note, but am I correct in guessing from
your address that you are from Italy??  If so, I was wondering if you, or
anyone for that matter has folded any models form Origami Gli Insetti.
Many of the models in it are very good, some of the best origami insects
that I've seen.  Since I have no idea what is written, I just follow the
symbols, but sometimes special inserts are written which I just have to guess
at by looking at the next figures.  This is a group of possible models
that hasn't been touched yet.  4 out of every 5 creatures is an insect.  And
with just under 1 million different species to choose from, I don't think
we will ever run out of new models to create.
     The specific model that I'm talking about is the stag beetle.  At step
23 an Italian phrase is put in refering to figure 25 that I'm not quite sure
about.  My first one turned out very good though.  One thing I changed was
the length of the jaws which were unrealistically long.  Only a minor
adjustment was needed however to fix the problem.

     One of the most amazing things about insects is there cryptic coloration.
I was wondering if anyone knew of work set on using folds to match not jsut
shape, but color/patterns as well.  If so, I would like to know very much.j
Thanks alot :)

                                   Kevin

c598033@mizzou1.missouri.edu

Columbia, MO  USA





Date: Tue, 09 May 1995 12:33:20 -0300
From: Laurie_Reynolds@smec.sel.sony.COM (Laurie Reynolds)
Subject: Chopstick paper origami

Hello,

My boss taught me how to make a boat out of the paper that
chopsticks come in when you are at a restaurant.  He said
that he and some friends had learned it from a hostess in
a bar in Japan.  (They apparently had to go several times
because she wouldn't tell them, but would let them watch
her make it :-)  ).  Then another friend showed me how
to make a bird.

Query...........

Are there any books that are devoted to such types of
origami?  I just printed the caterpillar from one of
the web sites, but by the time I finished that, my
dinner would be cold &-),    I've been hunting for models
made of long thin paper and that are 3-dimensional, because
the purpose of the origami is to have something on which to
rest your chopsticks during dinner.

Thanks in advance for any help.

laurie





Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 13:00:29 -0300
From: Jeannine Mosely <j9@concentra.com>
Subject: Re: Chopstick paper origami

laurie writes:

   dinner would be cold &-),    I've been hunting for models
   made of long thin paper and that are 3-dimensional, because
   the purpose of the origami is to have something on which to
   rest your chopsticks during dinner.

Well, there's always Lang's cuckoo clock.

        -- jeannine





Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 13:10:37 -0300
From: "Lisa, Hodsdon" <LISAHAB@vax3.hmco.com>
Subject: RE: Chopstick paper origami

Laurie Queried...........

>Are there any books that are devoted to such types of
>origami?  I just printed the caterpillar from one of
>the web sites, but by the time I finished that, my
>dinner would be cold &-),    I've been hunting for models
>made of long thin paper and that are 3-dimensional, because
>the purpose of the origami is to have something on which to
>rest your chopsticks during dinner.

It's not exactly right to rest your chopsticks on, but you can fold your
chopstick wrapper into a series of equilateral triangles that you can then
use to make a tetrahedron. (Just start with anything but a right triangle.
Keep folding to the edge of the previous fold. By magic, equilateral
triangles appear.)

If you tie an overhand knot in one end and flatten it, you get a regular
pentagon. Then you can wrap the rest of the paper around the pentagon,
tuck in the end. Carefully pinching the flat edges of the pentagon will
turn it into a "puffy star" or "oyster cracker."

These can be done with ribbon, register tape, or the tractor feed strips that
you rip off of computer paper.

These are more puzzles than directions, but since you're playing with
chop stick wrappers anyway...

Have fun.
Lisa Hodsdon
lisahab@vax3.hmco.com OR lhodsdon@smith.smith.edu

Hmm... Given a pile of 14 chopsticks combined in a pile after dinner, how many
different pairs could you pick up? What's the probability that you would get
one of your own?  No, I guess I can't use that in the book -- too unsanitary...





Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 14:35:51 -0300
From: Laurie_Reynolds@smec.sel.sony.com (Laurie Reynolds)
Subject: Gay Merrill Gross's Book - The Origami Workshop

Hi,

People said to get one of Gay Merrill Gross's books for the butterfly bomb,
so I did.  It is a wonderful book - beautiful photographs, fun models, and
a nice historical introduction!

The Origami Workshop
Gay Merrill Gross
photography by Nancy Palubniak
ISBN:   1-56799-148-3
Copyright 1995 - Friedman Publishing Group, Inc.
New York, NY

The gyroscope, magic star, and kaleidoscope flower are my favorites.
I used Tom Hull's suggestion for joining cranes to decorate a present
this weekend.

I strongly recommend it to everyone!

laurie





Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 14:38:55 -0300
From: Laurie_Reynolds@smec.sel.sony.com (Laurie Reynolds)
Subject: Robert Lang's Sea Urchin

Hello,

So, there's been a successful sighting of a completed sea urchin here at
Sony!  A couple of months back, I cried help on the sink, and Jerry Harris
was kind enough to help me through the sink.  Then came the hard part, so I
wandered around with my book asking people who are good at origami to help,
but most gave up in frustration.  Finally, this weekend, I sat down to conquer
the sea urchin, and so did a co-worker who had also bought the book.  She had
success, I had enough success to know how to do the folds, but have decided that
the only way I will complete it is if I start with a 3ft x 3ft square of
paper :-)

My question is ................

It seems as if the Sea Urchin has the most spikes that I have seen on any
model.  Is this true?  If not, what model has the most spikes?

See ya at the convention,
laurie

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Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 14:47:38 -0300
From: DEWEY.D.M%wec@dialcom.Tymnet.COM
Subject:

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Date:    05/09/95 12:27 PM

Lisa wondered:

>Hmm... Given a pile of 14 chopsticks combined in a pile after dinner, how many
>different pairs could you pick up? What's the probability that you would get
>one of your own?  No, I guess I can't use that in the book -- too
>unsanitary...

 The answer is - 13! permutations (or combinations, I forget which is which)
meaning no repeats (a,b and b,a are the same). The chance you pick your own
is 1/13!. I hope I am right, because with some groups you can never live down a
mistake. It looks like you will mostly likely ingest someone elses germs,
better hope your friends are sick.

                                        Dave Dewey





Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 15:48:41 -0300
From: Richard Kennedy <KENNEDRA@ibm3090.bham.ac.uk>
Subject: Lizard and fly on a wall

This is a reply to a query that Yusri Johan posted ages ago. I've been
having problems with my mail sender using different addresses, which the
list server hates!

In response to Yusri Johan's request for diagrams for the "Gecko and Fly"
model by Herman van Goubergen, the diagrams can be found in the
convention pack for the BOS convention held in Birmingham, 8 & 9 April,
1995. The pack contains drawings for many other fine models. Contact the
BOS supplies officer for pricing and availability:

Dr. M. Wall,
BOS Supplies Officer,
21, Kennet Close,
Grove,
Wantage,
OXFORDSHIRE  OX12 0NJ

I think non-BOS members can buy BOS items, but at a slightly higher price
than members. I think the price to members is 5-00 pounds (excluding
postage and packing).

Richard Kennedy.

P.S. Some BOS members have been known to attend OUSA conventions. If you
know one, you might be able to persuade them to carry the diagrams with
them, airmail postage could be rather painful! If you don't know one,
and are desperate I could make some enquiries (and there are several
other BOS members on the origami-l list, who might help).





Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 16:11:43 -0300
From: Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>
Subject: Re: Robert Lang's Sea Urchin

On Tue, 9 May 1995, Laurie Reynolds wrote:

> It seems as if the Sea Urchin has the most spikes that I have seen on any
> model.  Is this true?  If not, what model has the most spikes?

Meguro-san of Japan has a sea urchin with 144 spikes...

Joseph Wu      <jwu@cs.ubc.ca> | Witty quote is now back to the
Master's Student               |   drawing board due to squeamish
University of British Columbia |   readers. Any suggestions?
WWW: http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/jwu/origami.html (Origami Page)





Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 16:15:37 -0300
From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@dorsai.dorsai.org>
Subject: Re: your mail

>
> Lisa wondered:
>
> >Hmm... Given a pile of 14 chopsticks combined in a pile after dinner, how
     many
> >different pairs could you pick up? What's the probability that you would get
> >one of your own?  No, I guess I can't use that in the book -- too
> >unsanitary...
>
>
>  The answer is - 13! permutations (or combinations, I forget which is which)
> meaning no repeats (a,b and b,a are the same). The chance you pick your own
> is 1/13!. I hope I am right, because with some groups you can never live down
     a
> mistake. It looks like you will mostly likely ingest someone elses germs,
> better hope your friends are sick.
>
>                                         Dave Dewey
>
>
It's Lisa's fault! She started it! :-)
With 14 chopsticks, you have a two out 14 (2/14) chance of selecting 1 of
your sticks.
Assuming now that you have picked up that stick you will have a 1 out of 13
(1/13) chance to pick up the matching stick.
Using something called the Counting Principle, the probability for the two
events are multiplied-- 2/14 X 1/13. You have a 2 out of 182 (2/182)
probability of selecting your pair of chopsticks or for that matter for
matching up any other pair of chopsticks.
--
Sheldon Ackerman
ackerman@dorsai.dorsai.org
sheldon.ackerman@nycps.nycenet.edu





Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 16:40:27 -0300
From: "Lisa, Hodsdon" <LISAHAB@vax3.hmco.com>
Subject: RE: chopsticks

>>It's Lisa's fault! She started it! :-)
I concur. I started it. I apologize to the non-mathematically interested on
the list for starting this little number war. I have spent the last two weeks
brainstorming permutation and n choose r (pick r things from a pile of n)
problems for the chapter I am working on. It's hard to come up with ideas that
are simple enough and politically un-charged enough for a high school text.

Sheldon's assessment below is correct. I approached the problem slightly
differently, but we got the same answer. It's slightly better than a one
in four chance -- not too bad.

>With 14 chopsticks, you have a two out 14 (2/14) chance of selecting 1 of
>your sticks.
>Assuming now that you have picked up that stick you will have a 1 out of 13
>(1/13) chance to pick up the matching stick.
>Using something called the Counting Principle, the probability for the two
>events are multiplied-- 2/14 X 1/13. You have a 2 out of 182 (2/182)
>probability of selecting your pair of chopsticks or for that matter for
>matching up any other pair of chopsticks.
>--
>Sheldon Ackerman
>ackerman@dorsai.dorsai.org
>sheldon.ackerman@nycps.nycenet.edu

Lisa (yeah, I'm wierd) Hodsdon





Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 17:20:37 -0300
From: Laurie_Reynolds@smec.sel.sony.com (Laurie Reynolds)
Subject: Robert Lang's Sea Urchin

Hello,

So, there's been a successful sighting of a completed sea urchin here at
Sony!  A couple of months back, I cried help on the sink, and Jerry Harris
was kind enough to help me through the sink.  Then came the hard part, so I
wandered around with my book asking people who are good at origami to help,
but most gave up in frustration.  Finally, this weekend, I sat down to conquer
the sea urchin, and so did a co-worker who had also bought the book.  She had
success, I had enough success to know how to do the folds, but have decided that
the only way I will complete it is if I start with a 3ft x 3ft square of
paper :-)

My question is ................

It seems as if the Sea Urchin has the most spikes that I have seen on any
model.  Is this true?  If not, what model has the most spikes?

See ya at the convention,
laurie





Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 17:35:06 -0300
From: marmonk@mail.eskimo.com (Mark Morden)
Subject: Re: Teaching at Convention '95

Joseph Wu wrote:

>Obviously this will not be of interest to everyone, but here goes anyway.
>
>The models that I am planning to teach at Convention this year are as
>follows: orca (killer whale), teddy bear, When Pigs Grow Wings and Fly,
>gryphon, executive stress buster, western dragon, and handbag. Before
>anyone asks, the executive stress buster is an action model, similar to
>Jeremy Shafer's flashers, that twists and expands around an octagonal
>centre. All of the above models are of my design.
>
>

Will instructions for the "Pigs" model be available in the convention
collection of models?  I really enjoy the humor of the design and would like
to be able make one.

Mark Morden
marmonk@eskimo.com

P.S.  How was your trip to Seattle last weekend?





Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 18:02:37 -0300
From: sychen@ENH.NIST.GOV (Shi-Yew Chen \(a.k.a. Sy\))
Subject: RE: Robert Lang's Sea Urchin

>On Tue, 9 May 1995, Laurie Reynolds wrote:
>
>> It seems as if the Sea Urchin has the most spikes that I have seen on any
>> model.  Is this true?  If not, what model has the most spikes?
>
>Meguro-san of Japan has a sea urchin with 144 spikes...
>
>Joseph Wu      <jwu@cs.ubc.ca> | Witty quote is now back to the

Well, how many spikes are there in a "real" sea urchin?

Shi-Yew Chen (Sy)
E-Mail - sychen@enh.nist.gov
WWW URL - http://www.iia.org/~chens/syhome.htm





Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 18:11:18 -0300
From: hull@hypatia.math.uri.edu
Subject: Re: Robert Lang's Sea Urchin

 Laurie wrote:

> It seems as if the Sea Urchin has the most spikes that I have seen
on any model.  Is this true?  If not, what model has the most spikes?

Joseph is correct in mentioning that Meguro has made a sea urchin with
144 spikes.  I've also heard of Hans Birkiland (sp?) and John Montroll
doing similar things.

But the real story is that you could make sea urchins with as many spikes
as you like!  (Kind of.)  This is, if you study Lang's Sea Urchin,
the crease pattern is just a bunch of 45-45-90 triangles tiling the
square with rabbit-ear creases in them.  All you need to do is make
MORE of these triangles (like, make the triangular grid finer) and
you'll get more spikes.

Challenge Exercise:  Is there a geometric progression to the number of
spikes that you can extract from a square in this way?

The biggest sea urchin I've tackled using this method has 81 spikes.
It got darn ugly near the end, so I don't think I'll plan on displaying
it any time soon!  But it was enough to show me that I *could* make
arbitrarily large sea urchins, and since I'm a mathematician I'll
be quite satisfied with that.  (I.e., an existance proof is all I need!)

------------ Tom "tile me up, tile me down" Hull





Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 18:19:41 -0300
From: Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>
Subject: RE: Robert Lang's Sea Urchin

On Tue, 9 May 1995, Shi-Yew Chen wrote:

> Well, how many spikes are there in a "real" sea urchin?

Depends on the species. Anywhere from about 100 to several thousand.

Joseph Wu      <jwu@cs.ubc.ca> | Witty quote is now back to the
Master's Student               |   drawing board due to squeamish
University of British Columbia |   readers. Any suggestions?
WWW: http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/jwu/origami.html (Origami Page)





Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 18:22:03 -0300
From: hull@hypatia.math.uri.edu
Subject: RE: Chopstick paper origami

Concerning chopstick wrapper folds, here's a fun story from last year's
convention.  At the end of the convention there was a big party dinner for
all the volunteers, and we all went out to a Chinese resturant.  I
had the pleasure of sitting next to Jun Maekawa (a real sweet guy!)
and someone made the mistake of folding their chopstick wrapper into
a bird or something.  Not to be outdone, Jun quickly folded his into
a very impressive peacock.  Then he took my wrapper and folded a
space stuttle.  Then he took someone else's and folded a squid.
I guess chopstick wrapper folds are done all over.  There SHOULD be a
book done on them!

-------------- Tom "I can fold a frog!" Hull





Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 18:24:37 -0300
From: Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>
Subject: Re: Teaching at Convention '95

On Tue, 9 May 1995, Mark Morden wrote:

> Will instructions for the "Pigs" model be available in the convention
> collection of models?  I really enjoy the humor of the design and would like
> to be able make one.

I don't think that any of my diagrams will be in this year's Annual
Collection. Marc Kirschenbaum (sp?) should be able to confirm this. The
armadillo was supposed to be in, but I've not heard back from the
publications committee about it. Anyway, I'm going to try to have
diagrams of all of the models that I will be teaching available to hand
out at my classes. Whether or not I finish them all in time is another
matter!

> P.S.  How was your trip to Seattle last weekend?

Pretty good! Visited Kinokuniya bookstore and Seattle Art Supply, and
picked up some great models from Phillip Yee for our upcoming display at
the grand opening of the new Vancouver Public Library. Sorry to have
missed you, Mark.

Joseph Wu      <jwu@cs.ubc.ca> | Witty quote is now back to the
Master's Student               |   drawing board due to squeamish
University of British Columbia |   readers. Any suggestions?
WWW: http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/jwu/origami.html (Origami Page)





Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 18:32:45 -0300
From: Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>
Subject: Re: Robert Lang's Sea Urchin

On Tue, 9 May 1995 hull@hypatia.math.uri.edu wrote:

> Joseph is correct in mentioning that Meguro has made a sea urchin with
> 144 spikes.  I've also heard of Hans Birkiland (sp?) and John Montroll
> doing similar things.

Yes, Hans Birkeland (of Norway) has done one of the 144 spike sea
urchins. It was on display at Convention last year. He wrote to Meguro
and asked for the crease pattern for one unit of Meguro's point-making
method (which is supposedly simpler than Lang's) and then figured out how
to put them together himself.

> But the real story is that you could make sea urchins with as many spikes
> as you like!  (Kind of.)  This is, if you study Lang's Sea Urchin,
> the crease pattern is just a bunch of 45-45-90 triangles tiling the
> square with rabbit-ear creases in them.  All you need to do is make
> MORE of these triangles (like, make the triangular grid finer) and
> you'll get more spikes.
>
> Challenge Exercise:  Is there a geometric progression to the number of
> spikes that you can extract from a square in this way?
>
> The biggest sea urchin I've tackled using this method has 81 spikes.
> It got darn ugly near the end, so I don't think I'll plan on displaying
> it any time soon!  But it was enough to show me that I *could* make
> arbitrarily large sea urchins, and since I'm a mathematician I'll
> be quite satisfied with that.  (I.e., an existance proof is all I need!)

Hans also had an 81 spike sea urchin based on Lang's method on display at
Convention last year.

Joseph Wu      <jwu@cs.ubc.ca> | Witty quote is now back to the
Master's Student               |   drawing board due to squeamish
University of British Columbia |   readers. Any suggestions?
WWW: http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/jwu/origami.html (Origami Page)





Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 19:08:01 -0300
From: FBrafman <fbrafman@SMTPLink.Barnard.Columbia.edu>
Subject: Two questions . . .

     Hi.  I'm quite new to this list and fairly new to folding.  In fact,
     aside from some stuff that I remember from my childhood interest in
     origami, all I've been doing lately is Fuse boxes.  (It was a copy of
     Origami Boxes that reawakened my interest in Origami.

     Can some of you suggest a book or two to move on to?

     Second question--some time ago, someone posted a question about paper
     sources in south Florida.  My niece in Ft. Lauderdale keeps asking me
     if I've seen an answer to that question.  Anyone have any ideas?

     Florrie Brafman
     Barnard College
     New York City
     <fbrafman@barnard.columbia.edu>
     *****If this is the future, why aren't we wearing tights?*****





Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 20:01:37 -0300
From: ACPQUINN@middlebury.edu
Subject: Re: Gecko and Fly

Hallo all...

        At last year's convention I met Herman van Goubergen and persuaded him
to lend me the diagrams for this wonderful model so that I could make a quick
run down to Kinko's to make copies.  This was during one of the infamous all-
night folding sessions and instead of running down for one copy, I made several
copies as well as several copies of Chris Palmer's strange twist-fold objects
and some other stuff too... in any case, I will have all those diagrams with me
as well as diagrams of some of my own stuff (the infamous Lonely Man, the
Jellyfish and the Zigzag bracelet, which I will also be teaching...) I plan to
make more trips down to Kinko's this year anyway, provided I can get my hands
on interesting diagrams during the folding sessions...

        In any case, see you all at the convention...
               Alasdair C. Post-Quinn

P.S. does anyone know what models, if any, John Montroll will be teaching this
year?  Oh yeah, John's on this list now... John, could you give us some
sort of preview? :)





Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 08:42:24 -0300
From: "M.J.van.Gelder" <M.J.van.Gelder@rc.rug.nl>
Subject: Origami (paper) history

Hi,

I just got a URL for WWW that points to an electronic 'museum'. In it you
find also some information on Paper History.
The URL is:

   http://www.ncb.gov.sg/lhh/lhh.html

Maarten van Gelder, Rekencentrum RuG, RijksUniversiteit Groningen, Holland





Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 11:39:54 -0300
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.COM>
Subject: Re: Thokki's DNA

(I know this is a bit untimely, oh well!)

I am having trouble getting an idea of the "grooving" that has been talked
about regarding Thokki's DNA model.  Maybe if I explain what I think is
going on, someone can find my error and set me straight.

(This is my understanding.  Hopefully it corresponds highly with THE TRUTH,
but I am not sure):

ODNA -> Organic DNA (The real stuff!)
PDNA -> Paper DNA (Origami, in particular, Thokki's model)

In ODNA, there are two twisted strands of base atoms that are joined to form
a double helix.  How many bonds does each base have?  I always thought that
each base had a bond to its neighbors on the same strand, and to its opposite
base on the other strand.  And from seeing models of DNA in the popular media,
I had assumed that the bonds between the strands were straight across the
center of the helix (perpendicular to the length, joining the opposite pairs).
Clearly, given that DNA is not straight, that can't be true.  What I don't
follow from the messages in origmai-l is where the minor and major grooves
are.

Since this is getting less and less related to Origami-l, I'll suggest that
anyone interested in following it contact me via email and we'll continue
the discussion that way.

Thanks!
               -Doug





Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 12:12:52 -0300
From: Laurie_Reynolds@smec.sel.sony.com (Laurie Reynolds)
Subject: Random Musing - premade origami

Greetings:

Yesterday I gave a gift to a co-worker and used Tom Hull's idea for
attaching cranes instead of a "bow".  I have found myself doing that
more and more.  I don't think that I have any bows in the house.

Anyway, my co-worker was very impressed and wanted to save it to show
his wife.  It is fun, people think it's some sort of magic.  Believe it
or not there are people out there who don't even know what it is called,
and claim to have rarely seen it.  Imagine!

My random musing........

My husband and I began thinking that someone should make pre-made
origami.  We then began designing in our heads the software that
would be needed to run the robots who would be making say a crane.
We were trying to decide if it would be better to have a robot
for each step, or a robot make an entire origami model.

Then..... we remembered going to Japan and in the Century Hyatt there
was always a folded crane on our beds at night and we saw many other
folded cranes around in stores and as decoration, so.......The problem
has been solved.

Query.......
Does anyone know where one can purchase bulk pre-made origami?  I can't
imagine that a person actually made all the origami cranes for all the
rooms of the Century Hyatt Shinjuku.

Thanks for indulging me in this moment of senseless musing  %-)

laurie





Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 13:11:34 -0300
From: DonShall@aol.com
Subject: Random Musing

Re: Laurie Reynolds's Random Musings on "premade origami".  Some
observations:

I have seen, been part of, and helped on occasion to organize the 'robot'
that Laurie mentioned.  In recent years, I've taken to calling them "Origami
Sweat Shops" (since most often they involve the too often rushed and
intensive, joint labors of many volunteers).

Lillian Oppenheimer, Alice Gray, Michael Shall were masters at pulling these
'organisms' together.  The exhibitions over the years, the tens of thousands
of pieces of origami on the several Holiday Trees,  the thousands of
"dinosaurs", "strawberries", et.al. given by folders to the great American
Museum of Natural History, to again be given as Holiday Greetings.  I'm
continuously amazed by the speed & loving quality with which the Ann Arbor
Society 4 Origami can crank out a thousand cranes for and ill friend, or
windows full of "Omega Stars".

And on the commercial side, there are an ever growing number of talented
origami artists, craftsfolk & entrepreneurs adding products and services to
the marketplace.  Many stores here in Ann Arbor carry lines of cards and
jewelry.  The director of the UofM Museum of Art told me yesterday, that she
just returned from the big convention these folks go to.  She saw new card
and jewelry lines and a line of pre-folded and strung "Holiday Ornaments" --
boxed, case-packed, and ready to go on the shelves.

Enuf 4 now.  Best Wishes to all, Don





Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 13:19:27 -0300
From: Jennifer.Campbell@CCIW.ca (Jennifer Campbell)
Subject: Re: Random Musing - premade origami

Laurie Reynolds was wondering about pre-made origami...Please indulge more
musings on the subject:

I've also thought about origami-folding robots. Surely, with the Japanese
expertise in robotics it's been done (there, if not elsewhere). But all
those cranes you saw in the hotel in Japan---did they have the human touch?
No two people fold identically; even models folded repetitively by one
person will differ. With cranes I think the give-away would be how well the
edges met up, the angles of the neck and tail and the amount folded over to
make the head. If you wanted to make robot origami charming you'd have to
program the robot to vary its folding like a human does!

If all those cranes were indeed made by a person, I hope he/she was paid
decently. I know from experience folding to raise money for the United Way
campaign at work that it would be very hard to make a living by folding (it
does, however, raise a heck of a lot of money when you donate your time and
supplies)

>
>Then..... we remembered going to Japan and in the Century Hyatt there
>was always a folded crane on our beds at night and we saw many other
>folded cranes around in stores and as decoration, so.......The problem
>has been solved.
>
>Query.......
>Does anyone know where one can purchase bulk pre-made origami?  I can't
>imagine that a person actually made all the origami cranes for all the
>rooms of the Century Hyatt Shinjuku.
>
>
>Thanks for indulging me in this moment of senseless musing  %-)
>
>laurie

       /\_/\       ________
     `(     )' oo /        \
       `==='     | Maguro o |
       /   \     |  kudasai |
      |     |     \________/
      |     |
    ___\___/__jennifer.campbell@cciw.ca





Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 13:28:22 -0300
From: Steve Vinik <z007169b@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us>
Subject: Re: Two questions . . .

Hi, again from Fort Lauderdale Main Library on my lunch hour. There is a
Japanese park/museum called the Morikami in Delray Beach which is a
fairly quick trip north on I-95 and west on Linton. The gift shop has a
variety of origami paper and some books. It is a most charming place to
visit with a typical Japanese house on the site (no shoes allowed) and
demonstrations of the tea ceremony. They teach origami on occasion but it
is very traditional, simple stuff.

Steve Vinik
z007169b@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us

Paper: the launching pad of the imagination

On Tue, 9 May 1995, FBrafman wrote:

>      Second question--some time ago, someone posted a question about paper
>      sources in south Florida.  My niece in Ft. Lauderdale keeps asking me
>      if I've seen an answer to that question.  Anyone have any ideas?
>
>      Florrie Brafman
>      Barnard College
>      New York City
>      <fbrafman@barnard.columbia.edu>
>      *****If this is the future, why aren't we wearing tights?*****





Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 17:00:32 -0300
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Random Musing - premade origami

The "bulk origami" refered to is almost certainly handmade, probably in China or
one of the
other emerging countries with a huge cheap labor supply. In China almost
everybody has a
job, no matter what. As a result you see the sort of imports we're getting:
handmade lace
garments, linens, quilts taking hundreds or thousands of hours selling in USA
for under $100;
zillions of handmade, hand painted Xmas ornaments and similar trinkets; and even
such
industrial anomalies as enormous wiring "harnesses" (sets of 100's of connecting
wires for
such things as robots!) with individual id labels on each wire, all hand
attached!
Only in such applications as Japan's auto industry and hi-tech electronics are
robots
economically feasible in the light of such cheap human labor as China can
currently supply.
--valerie
ps
..and the odds are pretty good that child labor is involved too...





Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 17:55:50 -0300
From: casida@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Casida Mark)
Subject: Re: Random Musing - premade origami

Premade cranes .... !  Yes but ...  For me, personally,
the crane (in fact any origami) gains much of its magic
from the thought that someone took the time to fold it.
I've always appreciated origami as a process -- putting
more accent on the steps in the folding than on the final
result -- but I think I appreciate more and more that
origami is a social experience.  The joy is as much
(perhaps more) in the doing than in the final result.
I like it when I show origami to someone and they say,
"but what if you had folded it a little bit differently
here" or even just identify the object as something
different than what I had intended.  It shows differences
in points of view and opens up the possibility of a better
understanding of what makes that piece of origami what it is.

                           ... Mark





Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 22:00:31 -0300
From: anavlis@interaccess.com (silvana tandeter)
Subject: Re: Origami (paper) history

>Hi,
>
>I just got a URL for WWW that points to an electronic 'museum'. In it you
>find also some information on Paper History.
>The URL is:
>
>   http://www.ncb.gov.sg/lhh/lhh.html
>
>
>Maarten van Gelder, Rekencentrum RuG, RijksUniversiteit Groningen, Holland
>
>Thanks for the URL address, I just joined the group and this is the most
useful information I got
Happy folding,
ANAVLIS :) I loved that cat by MAGURO KUDASAI





Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 01:16:56 -0300
From: "BOB T. LYNCH" <blynch@du.edu>
Subject: pre-made origami

What an interesting concept - the only thing I've ever gotten on a pillow was
a chocolate... I think my waistline would prefer the origami!

After the number of cranes I have done in the last few days (weeks, actually)
I think maybe I should offer my services to some of the local hostelries! Do
you think any of them would go for it?

It is really amazing, folding a large number of any one thing, you'd think that
you would eventually start folding them all identically. but the fact of the
matter, each one is unique... I guess that is the "charm" that V'Ann (or
someo) mentioned earlier.

I think the robotics idea would be better if you did it in a line, each robot
doing one step - of course, that would increase the space you would have to
have and the amount of stuff that is break-downable... but it would probably
simplify your programming. Then of course, you would have to decide if you
wanted/needed two robots to do the diagonal creases (one each direction) or if
you could turn the paper to do both diagonals - then would that/those robots
turn the paper over for the vertizontal creases, and would you have to have
several turnover robots throughout the line?  Make it easier on yourself - hire
me!  :-D  I'd expect decent wages and working conditions though... supplies, too
Sorry to be facetious (sp?) I know there is probably a real problem in other
countries regarding working conditions for the people that do things like
that.... I don't mean to make fun of their situation...  Even crafts people
in this country tend to get slighted - people look at you when you tell them
something they are admiring is paper and you want to charge HOW MUCH!!! I was
trying to sell things a fairs for awhile, and it just wasn't worth it. I found
I was happier making things for myself and friends....

Maybe I will look into the crane thing on the pillos though....

Bye for now! Sorry to take so much space

Dee





Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 09:53:55 -0300
From: casida@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Casida Mark)
Subject: Re: Random Musing - premade origami

> --valerie
> ps
> ..and the odds are pretty good that child labor is involved too...

And forced prison labor too, if some of the reports I've heard coming
out of China are true.  The problem with this is that "crime" (in our
sense of the word) is only one reason for landing in a Chinese prison.

                                   ... Mark

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Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 13:09:09 -0300
From: Jeannine Mosely <j9@concentra.com>
Subject: teaching at the convention

I have gotten my registration forms for the convention (thanks to
Yusri Johan, Vedder Wright and Ruth Oppenheimer) and I have some
questions.

First, are there any Boston area folders who would like to ride with
me, or give me a ride?  I'd take the train, but it would be a hassle
to bring some of my models that way.

Second, I have never been to the convention before, but I would
like to volunteer to teach some of my models.  Perhaps this is a bit
presumptuous for a first timer, but I have taught quite a bit in other
places.  So,

1. Do they accept all volunteers to teach?  Do I need to present any
credentials?

2. How long are the class sessions, and how many students are in a
class?

3. The form seems to imply one model = one session.  Some models are
so simple, I would want to teach several in an hour. All my models are
modular.  Some modules only take 5 minutes to teach, but require more
than an hour to complete all the pieces and their assembly.  Still, if
the students couldn't actually finish during class, they would know
how to finish later. Is it better to finish one model, or to teach
several models that the students can complete later?

4.  I don't know how to rate the level of my models.  All, I think,
are "simple" as far as folding goes.  But assembly is often harder.
Perhaps some of you who have folded my designs could tell me how you
would rate them. In particular, I was thinking of teaching the
stellated dodecahedron(s) that I posted to this group last year.  Also, I
have some new designs for "butterfly bombs".  I consider them to be of
approximately equal difficulty with the original butterfly bomb, but I
don't know how hard anyone else considers that model.  Some people,
apparently, have enough trouble building it that they construct tools
to help them.

5. Business cards aren't exactly paper.  Will anybody object if I
teach folds made from them?  I can provide all the cards the class
will need.

Thanks for your help,

        -- jeannine mosely (j9@concentra.com)





Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 13:46:24 -0300
From: Yusri Johan <gs01yyj@panther.Gsu.EDU>
Subject: Paper Sample

Hi again,
        I am going to bring origami swatches to Origami Convention '95/
COET95 that I got from a paper company. If any of you would like to see
them, just look for me at the convention.  BTW, I am not representing the
paper company where I got the swatches from.  I will just show them to
you.

Later.
YJ





Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 14:50:51 -0300
From: kiphart@VNET.IBM.COM
Subject: Re: Random Musing - premade origami

I have participated in several large, costly and cancelled projects over
the years which were intended to replace human manufacturing operations
with automated systems. It is really hard to understand how _stupid_ and
_inflexible_ robots are (as well as expensive, of course).

If you were to construct a crane production line, it would have to be
re-programmed for each new weight, strength and size of paper, would only
work at the proper humidity, and could only fold one model, in exactly one
position.

Even at USA wage rates, it would never be cost-effective. So -- we aren't
obsolete yet! (Hmm... Maybe someone could set up a factory, with a person
reading to everyone, like they used to do in some of the cigar factories...)





Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 15:16:06 -0300
From: Richard Kennedy <KENNEDRA@ibm3090.bham.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Paper Sample

Any chance of mailing the swatches to the UK? I know a number of BOS
members who spend a lot of time searching out new papers. They might
be willing to do a swatch swap. I'll make some enquiries if you're
interested.
Richard Kennedy.





Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 17:34:33 -0300
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: teaching at the convention

Jeannine,

I gather that you just got copies of the convention registration forms from
someone.
OUSA sends out (about a week age, in fact) a Convention Package which contains
forms for volunteers, housing, exhibiting one's work, etc etc. and of course,
teaching.
You probably need to phone the office and get one of these ASAP, as it explains
in detail
the teaching setup, and has a separate registration form/procedure.
(First timers are welcome, by the way)

About rating difficulty:
You might want to discuss this with Tom Stamm, V'Ann Cornelius (of the BBS &
model Index),
or Marc Kirschenbaum (I think Marc is/has been involved in the OUSA
publications), or Mike
Naughton, who has taught Omega Stars etc at the Conventions.

Business cards not paper:
As far as I'm concerned, and I expect practically everybody else, business cards
are as
much "paper" as dollar bills, PostIts, and lots of other stuff of Catagory
"found paper";
they're just a heavier weight!
(What are business card proportions, by the way? 1:SQRT(2) or something like
that?
or does your module work with a variety of rectangular sizes?)

--valerie





Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 18:36:48 -0300
From: Kevin Thorne <C598033@MIZZOU1.missouri.edu>
Subject: Pages

     I just finished my first  inspection on Joseph Wu's origami page and
was very impressed!!!  I've "seen" fellow folders  for the first time and
downloaded several of the diagrams which look pretty good.  I didn't have
time to go through everything but what I saw was very immpressive.  Being
able to see completed models before you  buy a book is an excellent way
to personally  rate the book.  Does the archives have a www site accessible
on Netscape??  And are there other 'Pages' available to browse?? I would
very much like to know the addresses if these are available.  Thanks

     I am also planning on going to the Convention on of these years (hopefully
next year).  I can't make it this year since I'm heading to the Amazon in
2 weeks.  However, as I'm your average college student who isn't just rolling
in money, I wondered if people ever grouped or car pooled to curb expenses.
Living in Alaska and the Midwest, I've only met one other Origami USA
member so except for this list and membership mail, I don't know  anyone
whose ever been to a Convention.  Perhaps some of you could enlighten me
on the latest news in this area.  Thank you,

                                   Kevin

Kevin Thorne
c598033@mizzou1.missouri.edu
University  of MIssouri
Columbia, Mo USA





Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 19:58:59 -0300
From: Cynthia Pettit <pettit@cs.unc.edu>
Subject: How will we know eachother at the Convention?

[Forgive, for those not attending the OUSA Convention this year...]

Is anyone interested in having some identifying sign on our name tags
this year?  I, personally, put a :-) at the end of my name for my
badge [I hope they understand to put it exactly like that!]

Are there any other ideas?  What did you all do last year?  [If
anything?]

I'm really eager to put names with faces when I get there!

Cyn
--
        "It's not about driving down rt 66 and stopping at the Holiday Inn!
               It's about *adventure*!!"
                          ---Richard P Feynman





Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 20:37:25 -0300
From: Lillian Sun <Lillian_Sun@mail.amsinc.com>
Subject: Help!

          Hi All!

          I posted a request a while back, but got no response!
          I wanted to try again....

          I will be in Great Britain June 8-20, and was wondering if
          any BOS members had any suggestions as to where I can go to
          get supplies, meet origami people, perhaps visit BOS
          headquarters, etc.

          Thanx in advance!

          Cheers,
          Lillian





Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 21:44:01 -0300
From: ACPQUINN@middlebury.edu
Subject: RE: How will we know eachother at the Convention?

Last year we each put an "OLO" somewhere on our nametags... OLO meaning
OnLine Origami... this way we knew who was from this list... I think the smiley
is just as good of an idea though...
Alasdair
acpquinn@middlebury.edu
