




Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 10:12:13 -0400
From: Jeffrey.z.h.t.o.f.Tolmie@zhflur.ch.ubs.ch
Subject: Cicadas and paper (was RE: Robert Lang)

Hi all,

>I agree completely with Paul Close about the differences between Montroll's
>and Lang's folding. I think it would be very easy to identify one or the
>other's models based on folding technique alone!

The styles are very distinctive. John "unfold everything" Montroll has
a way of creating beautifully detailed models with simple steps. The
blue shark in Origami Sea Life is an excellent example of this.
Robert "sink all 30 claws" Lang on the other hand is going to take
your skill (and your sanity) to the limit. The resulting 3D models are
anatomically amazing...

>As for my favorite Lang model (of those I've successsfully folded!), I think
>it would be the Cicada.

. and this is one of the best examples of that. Once you get it right,
including the last few tweezer assisted surgical adjustments to the head,
and if you chose the right paper, it will take your breath away. A while ago
the Gerbil (also from "The Complete Book of Origami") replaced the
traditional crane as my meditatory piece, ie, the piece to do to keep my
fingers busy, or to while away time in the delightful european trains I
spend so much time in. It has a nice structural simplicity reminiscent
of the traditional Japanese models. Anyway, I have one that sits on top
of my monitor and peers out the window. People notice it and say,
"Oh, look! That's that Japanese, um, what's it called, obiwami or
something." "ORIGAMI, yes that's right", I say. "but have  you seen this!"
and point to the cicada and scorpion models locked in combat at the
base of my monitor. They go very quiet with disbelief.

>I used some very thin, very strong yellow paper I
>found in an art store (it was called canary, or something). Unfortunately, it
>folded a little like foil, in that it held a crease well, but it didn't
>reverse well at all!
As I suppose all of us "intermediates" do, I am ever on the lookout for
good paper for folding. I have long since given up asking in craft stores,
since the worker droids there have very simple programming:-

        if(customer says "origami") {
               get prepacked origami paper
        }

which as we all know is too thick, too unforgiving and outrageously
innaccurate. They (the worker droids) also have that quaint old
european tendency to argue with you that they know what you want
better than you do. So I just say I am looking and proceed to ferret through
every nook and cranny of the store for that perfect sheet of paper. The
droid usually follows me around with a perplexed expression on it's face
not quite knowing what to do next. (I told you their programming was
simple).

Well one day I found a little shop in Zurich which sells stationery
supplies and had one of these origamiist - sales_droid encounters.
I spied some wrapping paper that I suppose you would call tissue paper.
However, this paper had a sort of metalic sheen to it, and whatever it was
that the manufacturer used to achieve that sheen had the side effect of
transforming usually cantankerous tissue paper into the most amazing
origami paper I have yet found. It has excellent tensile strength, making it
resistant to tears. It is also almost totally forgiving. This means that
crease lines are basically invisible. Being tissue, it is extremely thin
and this is very important for models like the cicada.

So, I carefully pull out one sheet of this stuff from the rack, selecting one
with no bent edges or tears. I hold it draped over my two findertips and
hand it to the sales droid. "I'll take this please", I say, "but under no
circumstances are you to crease this sheet". Well as you can imagine
the droid is no longer perplexed, but convinced that she is dealing with
a madman here. Not wanting to do anything wrong at this stage, she
complies with my request and sells me one 20cent sheet of tissue
paper rolling it obediently in a piece of ordinary shop wrapping paper.
Deciding that smiling is the safest course of action, she bids me goodbye.

The properties of this paper are, as I said, excellent for complex folds.
The drawback is that the early stages of folding are very time consuming
since the precreasing is very light. For example, folding a simple preliminary
fold is hampered by the fact that the paper wants to unfold itself! Once
you are a few steps on the fold will keep itself locked together and
the rest is sheer delight.

I know that stories like this are probably frustrating or irritating to some,
since we are talking about paper that nobody else is going to be able to
get. (I went back to that store, by the way, and tried to get the droid to
guarantee me that they would never stop selling that paper. Unable to
do so, I promptly bought most of the stock.) However, my point is that
you will probably encounter similar paper wherever you might live. For
complex 3D folds like insects and crustaceans you need:-

        1. Thin               there will be lots of layeres
        2. Strong      there will be stretching and pulling
        3. Forgiving   there will be unfolding and reversing

Just one last thing, there is no one perfect paper for Origami.

>The final result was, however, spectcular. And I, like
>Paul, was pleasantly exhausted!
I am by no means an excellent folder. It took about 4-5 tries to get it
perfect and I need about 4 hours to fold it. "Pleasantly exhasted" is
a nice description.

sheesh, and I was only going to write a quick reply,

have a great day all!

Jeff Tolmie
Zurich, Switzerland.

Jeffrey.Tolmie@zhflur.ubs.ubs.ch

(yes, it really is two ubs's!)





Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 10:50:33 -0400
From: jdharris@teal.csn.net (Jerry D. Harris)
Subject: Re: Lang's Guitarist

>P.S. in one of the recent Convention books, there is a grasshopper (Lang's, I
>think) that is missing the last page.  Does anyone know where to get the last
>page? Or, if it is Robert's model, is it going to be in the new Insects Book?

        I dunno if it'll be in the new book or not, but it was a neat
challenge to just use the finished picture in the table of contents to
complete the model _sans_ diagrams!  It really isn't that hard -- give it a
shot!  8-)

Jerry D. Harris
Denver Museum of Natural History
2001 Colorado Blvd.
Denver, CO  80205
(303) 370-6403

Internet:  jdharris@teal.csn.net
CompuServe:  73132,3372

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O   O Only those that adapted are today still alive!
OOO Those that couldn't -- or wouldn't -- are with us no more:
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That's how nature, in time, from a fish, made a bird.

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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 11:34:54 -0400
From: sychen@ENH.NIST.GOV (Shi-Yew Chen \(a.k.a. Sy\))
Subject: Origami Design Software? Any one?

To any origami lover:

Is there any software to help people to "design" origami works? A virtual
paper can be shown, folded/unfolded in 3-D and 2-D view. I know this is
tough but challenging. It sure saving a lot of time and try-and-error if the
software is well written. Multi-layer geometry information and connections
saved in the memory would be a big plus.

Shi-Yew Chen (Sy)
Office TEL => (301)975-4675
E-Mail => sychen@enh.nist.gov
WWW => http://www.iia.org/~chens/syhome.htm





Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 11:42:09 -0400
From: Wadsworth Jeffrey T <jtw8340@usl.edu>
Subject: Anyone know this base?

Thanks Alex for your thoughts on the cheetah project but I'm not easily
deterred. I just have to come up the right base.

BTW, I was fooling around last night and accidentally folded a base
which is a combination bird/frog.  It looks like a bird base sandwiched
between a frog base.  Pretty neat, but I'm sure it couldn't be "new" even
though I've never seen it before.  Anyone know the name?

The cheetah model is going to be very tricky... That long tail and body are
really challenging.  I wonder if Montroll or Lang have experimented with
this form?

Since I'm new here and the mail archives tend to encourage some bio... here
goes.  In the 5th grade, I came across Harbin's Secrets of Origami and thumbed
through it.  Akiro's Monkey caught my eye and obsession took over.  Within a
month "It's Magic" was constructed... (I thought this was the pinnacle of
     folds!)
Thinking that nothing was left to the art (!) I just forgot about it.  Now I'm
     back
for good.

I'm a computer engineering student at USL.  My other hobbies include chess,
     tennis,
and an intresting card game called Magic.

Hope I didn't bore anyone to death!

BoneFish





Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 12:13:57 -0400
From: cardiff!vann@uunet.uu.net (V'Ann Cornelius)
Subject: Re:  More NCTM

>
>I will be presenting 2 workshops at the National Math Conferences in Boston.
>
>On April 5, National Council of Supervisors of Mathematics NCSM
>"Math in Motion: Integrating Math and Art to Relieve Math Anxiety."
>On April 7, National Council of Teachers of Mathematics NCTM,
>Math in Motion: Origami in the Classroom (MIM).
>My workshops are geared for (K-6).
>
Good luck, Let us know how it goes... V'Ann





Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 12:14:53 -0400
From: Wadsworth Jeffrey T <jtw8340@usl.edu>
Subject: Mail archives for those who are new

For those who are new and haven't heard...

Check out the mail archives at:

gopher://gopher.rug.nl/00/rc/ftp/origami/archives

The above is the Mosaic and NetScape address.  If want to simply use gopher:

gopher gopher.rug.nl/00/rc/ftp/origami/archives

The information contained therein is of the utmost intrest...
1. Lang giving detailed explainations on why and how he designs his models
2. Montroll information
3. Bio's of subscribers along with their thoughts... etc

It is a valuable resource, check it out.

BoneFish





Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 16:47:38 -0400
From: Yusri Johan <gs01yyj@panther.Gsu.EDU>
Subject: Re: Flying Fish

You (Kellie) wrote:
>
>      I am very new here so apologize if I am doing something
> wrong!
>      But I would greatly appreciate information about where
> I could get the pattern for the origami flying fish everyone
> raves about. I haven't seen it in any books I've found.
>      Thank you so much!
>                                        Kellie Cass
>                                        a/k/a "Sassy Cassie"
>
>

Kellie,
        I bought a Japanese origami book by Momotami Yoshiide called
"Origami Fishes."  There is one flying fish model in it.  I didn't have
the book with me at the moment.  But I will let you know the ISBN as soon
as I am seating in front of a computer at school.

Later.

--
------------------------------------+------------------------------------------
                               Yusri Johan
                      Georgia State University
                       Psychology & Communication
                  http://www2.gsu.edu/~gs01yyj/home.html
        Origami Page: http://www2.gsu.edu/~gs01yyj/origami/origami.html





Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 04:39:32 -0300
From: Jeffrey.z.h.t.o.f.Tolmie@zhflur.ch.ubs.ch
Subject: RE: paper

>I am a student and have very little funds, so for practice paper i
>usually use loosleaf.  I find it's just the right thinckness and more
>durable than origami paper, but the lines can get annoying.  I have also
>used scrap computer paper, then we started getting better quality paper
>which was too thick, so i stoped.  I also use my mom's note paper (which
>
>Ginger
>
You can buy 30 gm/m2 reams of paper in any stationery store for a
few bucks. Normal photocopier/laser-printer paper is 80 gm/m2 and
is much too thick. I use it for practicing. It has also found it's way into
the back of my portfolio pad for those particulary boring meetings.

Jeff Tolmie

Jeffrey.Tolmie@zhflur.ubs.ubs.ch





Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 05:28:45 -0300
From: Jeffrey.z.h.t.o.f.Tolmie@zhflur.ch.ubs.ch
Subject: Re: Montroll books/OUSA paper

>I just got Montroll's _Birds in Origami_ and _North American Animals
>in Origami_!  They are right now in my hands -- so they do exist! ;)
>
> ... stuff deleted
>
>PS Hey, Jeff "(yes, it really is two ubs's!)" Tolmie -- isn't that
>"(yes, it really is two *postings*!)" :) :) :)  I read through [and
>whined about] your nifty paper...twice!

Hi Cyn,

Hope you don't mind me calling you Cyn. As some already know,
I have the "email address from Hell". Working in a swiss bank is
like working in a vault. You have to ask nicely to get oxygen. So
getting into internet email AT ALL is quite an adventure. To cut it
short I have 3 bridges to cross:-

        MS-Mai l--> HP-Open-Mail --> X400 --> RFC-822 (Internet)

This means I have to to make educated guesses at all your email
addresses. I recieve almost all mails with no Subject line and no
Author and no email address. So, Cyn, I don't actually know your
name, address etc. (If I did i would have emailed you ;-) So it's like a box
of chocolates, "you never know what you're gonna get"

Basically, now that I know both emails arrived, I can now be sure
that my posts to Origami-l are getting through.

>PPS I also got kicked off for a couple months [hence, the gushing. :)]
>Anyone ever figure out why that was?
Yeah, I know all about it since it happens to me about once a week.
If just one email from the listserver bounces then it does an
automatic unsubscribe.

Regards to all,

Jeff.

Jeffrey.Tolmie@zhflur.ubs.ubs.ch





Date: Sun, 02 Apr 1995 13:41:07 -0300
From: Yusri Johan <gs01yyj@panther.Gsu.EDU>
Subject: Re: Lang's Praying Mantis

You (Suen Wing Sang) wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> I have read many mail talking about Lang's Praying Mantis and I am interested
> in it and want to have a look. Can anyone tell me how can I get the picture
> and the illustrations of the steps?
>
> Regards
>
> Vincent Suen
>
>

Vincent,
        In my knowledge, Robert Lang has two praying mantises.  One is folded
from square  and the other one if folded from 1 X 2.707 rectangle.  The
first one  (square one) can be found from the origami ftp site at
rugcis.rug.nl (origami directory) and via Joseph Wu's origami homepage
under Postcript Diagrams for Origami Models heading
(http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/jwu/origami.html).  The second one is in
Stephen Weiss' and Robert Lang's  _Origami Zoo_.  Also,  his upcoming
book _Origami Insects and their kins_ will have the first praying mantis
(square one).

Hope this helps.
--
------------------------------------+------------------------------------------
                               Yusri Johan
                      Georgia State University
                       Psychology & Communication
                  http://www2.gsu.edu/~gs01yyj/home.html
        Origami Page: http://www2.gsu.edu/~gs01yyj/origami/origami.html





Date: Sat, 01 Apr 1995 15:32:13 -0400
From: Origamiist@aol.COM
Subject: June convention

Okay, I know this has been asked numerous times and I saved the information
before but unfortunately I had a recent disk crash and I think the file was
lost. What I need to know is how to become a member of OUSA and register for
the convention in June (if it isn't too late!). If anyone could give me
information on where to stay that wouldn't be too far from the convention
that would be very helpful indeed. (someone told me that a hundred bucks a
night in New York city would get me something just a notch above a wet hole
in the ground). Also someone mentioned tickets for classes. Do you need to
get these in advance? Anyway thanx in advance for any information and I hope
to see some of you at the convention.

-Vern





Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 12:29:07 -0300
From: John Olsson <d91johol@und.ida.liu.se>
Subject: Could someone help me?

Hi!

Some time ago, I asked if anyone could help me with directions to a book which
included directions to fold a certain dragon. The answer to my question seemed
bookstore and ordered it. This was about 7 of March, and today some person
from the bookstore called and said it was out of order!!!

Does anyone know if this is really true?
If this is true, I would apreciate(sp?) if someone could send me an address
to a bookstore that do have it in their stock?

BTW. If you want to know what this dragon looks like, visit my WWW-homepage:
     http://www.edu.isy.liu.se/~d91johol/

/John





Date: Mon, 03 Apr 1995 12:37:14 -0300
From: Jeannine Mosely <j9@concentra.COM>
Subject: Re: new modular [?] Jeannine Mosely

   From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>

   Jeannine Mosely asked about a possible new unit origami module several
   days ago, and is probably wondering if her message dropped into a black
   hole. Since no one else has jumped in, & I sort of qualify as "someone
   who might know if its new or not", I will.

I imagined that my message was just too obscure for anyone to read.
Thanks for answering!

   It's difficult to tell without diagrams, but some more info would help:

Obviously I couldn't expect anyone to know if my design was new
without the module description, I just wondered about similar objects.

   * How many unit/modules does it take to construct the icosidodecahedron?

It uses 60 "edge" modules

   * Are the units from square paper or some other shape?

The paper is square.

   * Does the unit start from a known base or something similar to a
     known base?

It does not use a known base.

   * Are you familiar with the icosidodec models by David Petty, Mitchell
     etc. in Fuse's books, esp. 2 recent ones "Wonderful World of Modulars"
     and "Neat Objects in Origami"?

No.  Where can I find these books?  I have Fuse's "Unit Origami" and
also a small hardcover volume by her in Japanese whose title I do not know.

   * Are you familiar with the "Omega Star" and its variations (Naughton
     & I recently discussed here)?

Yes.  It is nothing like the Omega Star.

   If the answer to the last two is "yes" and yours is quite different, it
   may very well be new. [YUM YUM!]

   The icosidodec is one of my favorite polyhedrons, and I've built them
   all kinds of ways from both my own & other folks modules. I am familiar
   with the "SIX RING" effect you describe. In particular I have a "STRUT"
   module of my own that is very adaptable RE joining angle, can be made
   of square or rectangular paper, & works for all sorts of regular and
   irregular polys. However, it is what I call and "EDGE UNIT", ie. the
   unit forms the edges of the the poly, so both the inner and outer
   edge of the "RINGS" in an icosidodec. are decagons, so this probably

The inner edges of the rings are decagons.  The outer edges are
DECAGRAMS (you know, pentagon -- pentagram).

   isn't what you've done. (I have a gold foil Icosidodec. from these in
   very thin proportions - the struts are about 12 times as long as wide -
   so the poly is like a wire frame model, but since the units are nearly
   flat, it looks like 6 intersecting decagonal rings... It takes 60
   "EDGE UNITS" to construct of course.)

   If your model takes 30 units, its probably what I'd call a "VERTEX
   UNIT", where the unit has 4 "arms" that form the vertices of the poly
   or where the rings intersect. The Petty and Mitchell units are vertex
   units.

Each ring is made all one color using 6 different colors -- not
necessary, of course, but it really highlights the rings.  You can't
do that with a vertex unit.

   Love to hear more about your unit, including answers to the ? list!

   --valerie     Valerie Vann        compuserve: 75070,304
   INTERNET:     vvann@delphi.com    valerivann@aol.com    ____
         or:     75070.304@compuserve.com                 /___/|
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Date: Mon, 03 Apr 1995 12:52:39 -0300
From: pdc@lunch.engr.sgi.COM (Paul Close)
Subject: Re: Paper & Lang's models

> I just finished Lang's Biplane last night.

Where is this model from?  My wife's a big biplane fan, and would love
something like this!

As for Lang's models and paper, I don't have a good solution myself.

For models with "22 layer double rabbit folds", as you put it (:-), I often
try a large sheet of gift wrapping paper.  It's thin, and because the sheet
is large, you tend to get more definition on those folds.  The downside is
it is fragile, and the colored coating can rub off on repeated folding.

>         Also does anyone have suggestions as to how to fold/sink the
> impossibly thick point in Lang's postscript mantis?

This is the triple point closed sink step, right?  There are so many sinks
in that model, you need the step number :-)

I traced around the folds that were to be reversed with a pencil.  Then I
opened up the model from the top, so it was rounded.  Then I followed along
the pencil lines, and reversed those folds.  And I messed up, so I did it
again!  I never did get something as neat as the diagram showed :-)  An
intermediate closeup would have helped a lot.

> What a challenge!  What paper works here?  "Origami" paper is DOA long
> before that step and self destructs completly when I attempt it.

I made this with typing paper, and there's only a few soft "fuzzy" points.
On the other hand, the antennae are outragously thick!  Sometimes you just
can't win....

> I guess I got some learning to do!

Experience is the best teacher :-)

Paul





Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 14:49:01 -0300
From: Gumhold <stefan.gumhold@student.uni-tuebingen.de>
Subject: thesis.ps

Dear everybody,

I am a new member of this group. Since about a year origami is a
favoured hobby of mine. I study computer science in Tuebingen/Germany in
the 5th semester. (I hope you don't mind my English.)

As I want to develop some software, which is able to fold and display
models from the input of the single folds, I got the article

thesis.ps

written by David Fisher. He started a lot of mailing discussion about
a descriptive language. I didn't read everything of it. I thought it
can save me a lot of time just to read his article.
But I have a big problem with thesis.ps. There are no or I can't display
any drawings in the postscipt file. I got the file via ftp from the
ftpsites:

rugcis.rug.nl   and     unix.hensa.ac.uk

I tried it in the ASCII and in the BINARY mode of ftp. My ghostview
is of release 1.5 but even the postscript printers don't print any
drawings.

So can anybody help me in getting thesis.ps with all the drawings.
I already asked David, but didn't get any reply yet.

Thanks in advance

STE

P.S.: STE is derived from my firstname Stefan to fit in any highscore-list
      and has gotten my favoured signature.

My e-mail address is:

stefan.gumhold@student.uni-tuebingen.de





Date: Mon, 03 Apr 1995 15:31:01 -0300
From: Yusri Johan <gs01yyj@panther.Gsu.EDU>
Subject: Re: Paper & Lang's models

You (Paul Close) asked:

> Where is this model from?

This model <the big plane> is from Robert Lang's Complete Origami Book.

Later.
Yusri





Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 15:59:40 -0300
From: Yusri Johan <gs01yyj@panther.Gsu.EDU>
Subject: Re: Could someone help me?

You (John Olsson) wrote:
>
> Some time ago, I asked if anyone could help me with directions to a book which
> included directions to fold a certain dragon. The answer to my question seemed
> to be Jay Ansill's book "Mythical beeings", so I went happily to my local
> bookstore and ordered it. This was about 7 of March, and today some person
> from the bookstore called and said it was out of order!!!
>
> Does anyone know if this is really true?
> If this is true, I would apreciate(sp?) if someone could send me an address
> to a bookstore that do have it in their stock?

I don't know if this is true or not, but if you have problem finding Jay
Ansill's "Origami Today: Mythical beings",  you might want to try to contact
OUSA Supply Center and get the supplies (books and paper) list. That
address is:
        Origami Source
        c/o Phyllis Meth
        40-05 166th St.
        Flushing, NY 11358
        U.S.A.

>
> BTW. If you want to know what this dragon looks like, visit my WWW-homepage:
>      http://www.edu.isy.liu.se/~d91johol/

I saw the dragon in your homepage; that dragon is in Jay Ansill's
Mythical Beings.

Hope this helps.
--
------------------------------------+------------------------------------------
                               Yusri Johan
                      Georgia State University
                       Psychology & Communication
                  http://www2.gsu.edu/~gs01yyj/home.html
        Origami Page: http://www2.gsu.edu/~gs01yyj/origami/origami.html





Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 16:14:35 -0300
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Mythical Beings source.

John wrote:
+included directions to fold a certain dragon. The answer to my question seemed
+to be Jay Ansill's book "Mythical beeings", so I went happily to my local
+bookstore and ordered it. This was about 7 of March, and today some person
+from the bookstore called and said it was out of order!!!

John and anyone else interested,
    The last time I got an Edward R. Hamilton catalog they had it listed.  I
don't have the catalog at work, but if I can still find it at home, I'll
send along the address.  They accept prepaid orders by mail only, no

-Doug





Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 16:22:52 -0300
From: "Nigel Pottle, T-L, Erin Woods Elementary" <NPOTTLE@CBE.AB.CA>
Subject: visit to Vancouver

I will be in Vancouver, B.C. next week and wonder whether there are any
good stores to find Origami books and paper. I have a reasonable collection
of books now (although I would like a copy of Origami Omnibus), and am
looking for new and challenging titles. I even have a copy of Lang's
Animal Origami (probably not correct title!) with the great lion for
the African savanna, which I picked up while on a trip to Hong Kong.

Any suggestions?

Sincerely, Nigel Pottle

npottle@cbe.ab.ca





Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 16:31:34 -0300
From: Ginger Beal <gab138@arts.usask.ca>
Subject: Re: Tyvek report

On Mon, 3 Apr 1995 LHODSDON@smith.smith.edu wrote

> Then the office will be full of origami jumping frogs. And, my secret will
> be out of the bag. Well, my prediliction isn't exactly a secret, but the
> 8-pointed twist folded flower on my computer doesn't impress anyone unless
> they know how it was done...

could you please tell me where i could find the instructions for this
flower. If it's the same one i'm thinking of, i found a picture for it on
here, but i cant find the instructions.  Is it in a book you have?

thank you :)

Ginger





Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 16:51:25 -0300
From: Ginger Beal <gab138@arts.usask.ca>
Subject: paper

Those are some verry intresting paper stories i've been reading on here.
I've never had a problem with paper terring or anything, i probably dont
do as complicated designs as some of you though.  But i do have a problem
with thick and inaccurate origami paper.  It is a real nuscance, and i
was verry glad to read about some alternatives to origami paper.

I am a student and have very little funds, so for practice paper i
usually use loosleaf.  I find it's just the right thinckness and more
durable than origami paper, but the lines can get annoying.  I have also
used scrap computer paper, then we started getting better quality paper
which was too thick, so i stoped.  I also use my mom's note paper (which
annoyes her to death), she gets verry annoyed when she finds elephants,
crabs, lilys and so on all over the table and no note paper left.  but
now she's buying thicker paper so i cant do that anymore.  So that's my
verry short paper story.

Ginger





Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 16:59:12 -0300
From: sychen@ENH.NIST.GOV (Shi-Yew Chen \(a.k.a. Sy\))
Subject: Re: thesis.ps

>Dear everybody,
>
>I am a new member of this group. Since about a year origami is a
>favoured hobby of mine. I study computer science in Tuebingen/Germany in
>the 5th semester. (I hope you don't mind my English.)
>
>As I want to develop some software, which is able to fold and display
>models from the input of the single folds, I got the article
>
>thesis.ps
>
>written by David Fisher. He started a lot of mailing discussion about
>a descriptive language. I didn't read everything of it. I thought it
>can save me a lot of time just to read his article.
>But I have a big problem with thesis.ps. There are no or I can't display
>any drawings in the postscipt file. I got the file via ftp from the
>ftpsites:
>
>rugcis.rug.nl   and     unix.hensa.ac.uk
>
>I tried it in the ASCII and in the BINARY mode of ftp. My ghostview
>is of release 1.5 but even the postscript printers don't print any
>drawings.
>
>So can anybody help me in getting thesis.ps with all the drawings.
>I already asked David, but didn't get any reply yet.
>
>Thanks in advance
>
>STE
>
>P.S.: STE is derived from my firstname Stefan to fit in any highscore-list
>      and has gotten my favoured signature.
>
>My e-mail address is:
>
>stefan.gumhold@student.uni-tuebingen.de
>
I don't have problem using GhostView. I have not printed it out yet.

Shi-Yew Chen (Sy)
Office TEL => (301)975-4675
E-Mail => sychen@enh.nist.gov
WWW => http://www.iia.org/~chens/syhome.htm





Date: Mon, 03 Apr 1995 17:16:05 -0300
From: casida@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Casida Mark)
Subject: paper

Hi all,

Probably like most of you, I like to fold simple and elegant models
as well as more complicated ones.  For the former, I like to dissect
business envellopes --- you know, the kind with the pattern inside which is
supposed to keep you from seeing what's inside before you open the
envellope.  I cut out a square and fold a crane, a jumping frog,
a sea turtle, ...  The patterns can be very pleasant.  There is only
one catch --- the squares that I cut out tend to be too small for
complex folds.  However I do find them good for intermediate folds.

                                       ... Mark

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Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 17:22:21 -0300
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: new modular [?] Jeannine Mosely

Jeannine,

>> intersecting rings of 6 colors ... can't do that with vertex unit<<

Of course! [Silly me]

>> Decagram on outside of ring<<

Do you mean the rings have, like, points [rather than just vertices]?
Does the unit involve a sink? I'm getting really intrigued now. Can you do a
minimal
ASCII diagram with some explanation?

<<Fuse Books>>
I have about 24-26 Fuse books, but most are in Japanese. I got them thru OUSA
[FOCA]'s
mail order paper&book supply service. They should still have these 2; "neat
objects" is
hardbound and $$ ($36?) and mostly boxes & containers, but typically other neat
Fuse
geometrics, including some tessellation type stuff in tissue used as box top
decorations.
"Wonderful Modulars" is more polys and abstract constructions including the
nifty Petty
and Mitchell Units. [I've adapted the Petty Unit into a 30 unit 60 point Omega
Star variation.]

   --valerie          Valerie Vann                compuserve: 75070,304
   INTERNET:     vvann@delphi.com       valerivann@aol.com
         or:      75070.304@compuserve.com





Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 17:19:15 -0300
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: T.Hull on Math Confer. in OUSA newsltr

Tom:
I was especially intrigued by the photos with your article in the OUSA
newletter:

1. The tessellation/snowflakes:  I've done a few snowflakes tessellation-style
   using hexagonal pieces of bluish-white engineering tracing vellum. Did all
   of the ones shown use just a hexagon shape? No cutting [gasp], I presume?

2. I get teased at work because I always tie the tearoff pin-feed strips from
   the computer printouts into knots & loops; used to do the same with adding
   machine tape, and discovered that you get a pentagon if you pull a plain
   overhand knot up tight. [I also make curved, free from "knots" and use
   them to decorate boxes, like ribbons...).

   A couple of times I've used a continuous strip to make a pentagon with
   "knot pentagons" at the corners, similar to the faces of the big dodecahedron
   in your photo. I've also speculated whether its possible to construct a
   complete dodecahedron from one strip [with the "knot pentagons" as faces],
   but never got beyond about five or 6 faces. Was that big dodecahedron in
   the photo from a single strip? How about all the little polyhedrons?

When I was in college (50-60's) hexaflexagons were the rage, and I think that's
what started me tying knots in paper strips, usually adding machine tape,
until computer paper got more accessible to us the great unwashed. Flexagons
of course are Mobius [sp?] strips, not knots.

Some time ago I asked here whether there was a formal proof that the "knot
pentagon" was in fact a pentagon, and someone, J. Mosely, I think, answered
that there was, but I think she may have thought I was a math student trying
to get someone to do my research ;-); anyway whoever it was didn't elaborate.

I'd still like to know about the proof if there is one. [I'm not a student,
just an old middle aged geometric origami nut...] I always giggle at the line
in "Connoiseur" about it taking the Japanese hotel attendents a lot of time
or training to tie the neat pentagonal knots it the bathrobe sashes...

   --valerie          Valerie Vann      compuserve: 75070,304
   INTERNET:     vvann@delphi.com       valerivann@aol.com
         or:      75070.304@compuserve.com





Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 17:31:50 -0300
From: torok@nynexst.com (Dave Torok)
Subject: Business card Cube

Hello all!

  I was bumped several weeks ago and didn't realize it!  I guess I've been
concentrating too much on work :-)

  Anyway, remember a couple months ago when someone posted the "business card
cube"?  This was a simple cube made of six business-cards.  Multiple cubes
could interlock forming a rather stable structure.

  Well, I finished my Wireframe Cube, which has 4 cubes per edge, for a total
of 32 small cubes and 192 business cards.

  While I was assembling the wireframe, I noticed that one could assemble
these modules such that three adjacent cubes could form a complete business
card! (small flap, face of cube, small flap).  So I asssembled the entire
wireframe so that the business cards are "whole" throughout the structure.

-=$>Dave<$=-





Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 17:35:22 -0300
From: Yusri Johan <gs01yyj@panther.Gsu.EDU>
Subject: Re: paper

You (Ginger Beal) wrote:
>
> Those are some verry intresting paper stories i've been reading on here.
> I've never had a problem with paper terring or anything, i probably dont
> do as complicated designs as some of you though.  But i do have a problem
> with thick and inaccurate origami paper.  It is a real nuscance, and i
> was verry glad to read about some alternatives to origami paper.
>
> I am a student and have very little funds, so for practice paper i
> usually use loosleaf.  I find it's just the right thinckness and more
> durable than origami paper, but the lines can get annoying.  I have also
> used scrap computer paper, then we started getting better quality paper
> which was too thick, so i stoped.  I also use my mom's note paper (which
> annoyes her to death), she gets verry annoyed when she finds elephants,
> crabs, lilys and so on all over the table and no note paper left.  but
> now she's buying thicker paper so i cant do that anymore.  So that's my
> verry short paper story.
>

I have been experiencing with different kinds of paper.  Working as a
student assistant in school gives me a chance to use coulorful printing
or copy paper.  I usually use used copy papers, so nobody gets mad.  If the
paper is thick  try to wet fold it.

Happy folding.
--
------------------------------------+------------------------------------------
                               Yusri Johan
                      Georgia State University
                       Psychology & Communication
                  http://www2.gsu.edu/~gs01yyj/home.html
        Origami Page: http://www2.gsu.edu/~gs01yyj/origami/origami.html





Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 18:13:55 -0300
From: Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>
Subject: Re: thesis.ps

"thesis.ps" does not have the pictures in it. David did not know how to
do that when he generated the PS file. The .GIF files in the same
directory are some of the figures, however, so you might want to download
them. They are not all of the figures in the thesis, just some of them.

Joseph Wu      <jwu@cs.ubc.ca> | Witty quote is now back to the
Master's Student               |   drawing board due to squeamish
University of British Columbia |   readers. Any suggestions?
WWW: http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/jwu/origami.html (Origami Page)





Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 19:09:09 -0300
From: Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>
Subject: Re: This and That

On Mon, 3 Apr 1995 Jay@garter.dhr.com wrote:

> OUSA is a good source for paper of common types (Kami, Washi, Cheyo' etc.) and
> I believe that Toshie Ayogi (sp?) sells it for a living.  He is Canada based
> but I do not have his address with me and am not sure if I should be posting
> addresses anyway.  You might send a letter to him via OUSA.

Toshi Aoyagi does not sell paper for a living. He used to live upstairs
from The Japanese Paper Place in Toronto, hence your confusion. The
Japanese Paper Place is purported to be the best source of Japanese
handmade paper outside of Japan. Proprietor Nancy Jacobs makes many
shopping expeditions to the little paper-making villages of Japan to keep
up a good stock. Their address is:

The Japanese Paper Place
887 Queen St. West
Toronto, ON
Canada
M6J 1G5





Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 20:26:26 -0300
From: LHODSDON@smith.smith.edu
Subject: twist flower was RE: Tyvek report

Ginger Beal asked for directions for the 8-pointed twist flower that sits on
my computer...

I was shown how to make this flower by a very patient Tom Hull (if I remember
correctly). It took a group of us at least 2 hours just to make the creases.
It took me another 3-4 hours to collapse the twist. I was able to repeat it
once using a diagram and memory. I tried a second time, and couldn't do it
again. If the note on my model is correct, Chris Palmer invented it. Whether
directions exist anywhere is not a question I can answer.

Thus, my comment that no one is as impressed by it as they ought to be!!!

Lisa (computer exterior decorator) Hodsdon

PS: Tis the season. If you enjoy making swedish/german/easter stars, Saturday
is the day to buy palm fronds to make them! You might want to order your very
own hand of palm so that you can be sure to get it!





Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 20:54:44 -0300
From: Eric Tend <eric@hpisdaja.ptp.hp.com>
Subject: Re: twist flower was RE: Tyvek report

Lisa (computer exterior decorator) Hodsdon wrote:

> I was shown how to make this flower by a very patient Tom Hull (if I remember
> correctly). It took a group of us at least 2 hours just to make the creases.
> It took me another 3-4 hours to collapse the twist. I was able to repeat it
> once using a diagram and memory. I tried a second time, and couldn't do it
> again. If the note on my model is correct, Chris Palmer invented it. Whether
> directions exist anywhere is not a question I can answer.

This sounds like Chris Palmer's Flower Tower design ... Chris mentioned
that Tom Hull was working on diagraming it.  If you reverse all of the
progressively smaller flower twists to the center and push it down flat,
does it slowly twist itself into a popped-up, three-dimensional, flower
tower?  VEERRRYYY impressive model ... I just invested in a large version
Chris original.  I'm eagerly awaiting the diagrams.

--Eric--

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Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 21:38:06 -0300
From: jdharris@teal.csn.net (Jerry D. Harris)
Subject: Re: Montroll Moose in North American Animals

>Is this moose equivalent to Lang's?  I've only seen Lang's version and
>it would be hard to beat.

        I've seen a photo of this moose, but never any diagrams (Lang's) --
has it been published anywhere?

Jerry D. Harris
Denver Museum of Natural History
2001 Colorado Blvd.
Denver, CO  80205
(303) 370-6403

Internet:  jdharris@teal.csn.net
CompuServe:  73132,3372

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O   O Only those that adapted are today still alive!
OOO Those that couldn't -- or wouldn't -- are with us no more:
The most famous of these is the great dinosaur!
"Evolution," they call it; a 10-dollar word.
That's how nature, in time, from a fish, made a bird.

                                                -- Martin J. Giff

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Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 00:06:33 -0300
From: hull@hypatia.math.uri.edu
Subject: Re: twist flower was RE: Tyvek report

Hey all,
        Lisa: Yes, that was Chris Palmer's "Flower Tower", and it's
one devilishly nasty origami fold. AN ultra-super challenge to fold
and an even BIGGER challenge to teach and/or diagram. I'm hoping to
do a careful step-by-step diagramization of it sometime in the near
future, but we'll see.

        While I'm here, let me advertise another origami-math talk
that I'm giving at the University of Connecticuit this Thursday, April
6th. If I remember correctly, it should occur at 1PM somewhere in
the math department building. Sorry I can't be more specific, but
it wasn't finilized until only recently. So if any of you is near the
Storrs, Conn. area, do try to check it out. The topic is "Origami
Tessellations" and I'll have lots of neat tessellation examples
(both mine and some of Chris Palmer's) in display.

---------------------- Tom "fold me a Ph.D. thesis, please!" Hull





Date: Sat, 01 Apr 1995 10:22:20 -0400
From: Yusri Johan <gs01yyj@panther.Gsu.EDU>
Subject: ISBN for Origami Fishes (was Re: Flying Fish)

Hi all,

        I would like to make one correction on my last posting because I
didn't type the name of the Origami Fishes' author Correctly.  The name
of the author is Yoshiide Momotani.  Origami Fishes is a Japanese Origami
book, but there is the English Title on the front cover of the book.  The
ISBN for this book is 4-416-38901-9 C8372.

Happy folding!

--
------------------------------------+------------------------------------------
                               Yusri Johan
                      Georgia State University
                       Psychology & Communication
                  http://www2.gsu.edu/~gs01yyj/home.html
        Origami Page: http://www2.gsu.edu/~gs01yyj/origami/origami.html





Date: Sat, 01 Apr 1995 18:12:27 -0400
From: GRANTGV@MINNIE.HOLLINS.EDU
Subject: RE: June convention

I have also been trying to get info for the same convention. I love New York
and amplanning on visiting friends in Queens. If anyone wants to stay with me
they are welcome to. Please send the info ASAP. Cookies and Bubblegum!!!





Date: Sun, 02 Apr 1995 23:26:25 -0300
From: Cynthia Pettit <pettit@cs.unc.EDU>
Subject: Montroll books/OUSA paper

Well, it's been origami splurge month for me!

I just got Montroll's _Birds in Origami_ and _North American Animals
in Origami_!  They are right now in my hands -- so they do exist! ;)
I haven't had any time to fold anything [so why am I writing email --
why aren't I folding???] but I tho't I'd send a teeny review of what I
see.

First off, price: the NAAIO was the expected $9.95 [many Montroll
books are this] but the BIO is $2.95!  I got a second copy to send to
my 12-year-old cousin.  It has a couple things that look familiar, but
some good stuff!  No stars to denote difficulty, but the models looked
to be * - *** difficulty.  Nothing ****, but I'm going to try out the
parrot and see how hard it is.

[Aside: I met my cousin for the second time this Xmas -- first time
I'd seen her she was 3-months old!  I was folding stuff for various
family members and she had never even *heard* of origami; yet, within
3 or 4 hours she had folded a number of things with me, including
Montroll's Horse!  We have agreed to be "paper-pals" and send each
other folded stuff -- this will be my first send!  Origami paper, much
less books, is unknown in Fort Pierce FL... :( ]

NAAIO has some very exciting stuff!  I tend to go to the end of the
list and look for 3 and 4 star stuff -- I love challenge!  The moose,
deer, racoon and musk ox look *very* exciting!  I'm also eager to see
if the armadillo is comperable to Joseph's from the archives... :)

There's also a nice bighorn ram: go Tar Heels!  [Except that we lost
to Arkansas last night...<grumble, whine> ]

Summary: so I'd say that not only is BIO good for beginners to
intermediate, it is cheap enough to be an excellent gift [especially
difficulty, beautiful animals, and some real whoppers!

I also ordered 10" paper and the T-Rex skeleton book from OUSA.

I must announce: 10" PAPER FROM OUSA IS SQUARE!!!!!  Hooray!  [No more
1mm-off paper!  "Error accumulates!"]

I'm very excited about the T-Rex book, but I forgot to order 21 sheets
of same-color paper! <sheepish grin> so I can't start on it until I
get enough paper together...  Until then, I'll be perusing the
archives for talk about T-Rex...

Well, that's all for now...

I especially wanted to tell about the paper...now I need to teach more
origami to friends and get rid of- I mean *generaously give away* all
that other <crappy> 10" stuff! ;)

See you all in June!  [Hopefully!]

Cyn

PS Hey, Jeff "(yes, it really is two ubs's!)" Tolmie -- isn't that
"(yes, it really is two *postings*!)" :) :) :)  I read through [and
whined about] your nifty paper...twice!

PPS I also got kicked off for a couple months [hence, the gushing. :)]
Anyone ever figure out why that was?





Date: Sun, 02 Apr 1995 19:31:47 -0300
From: nedwick@cais.cais.COM (Robb Nedwick)
Subject: Paper & Lang's models

I've been folding for about 5 years now, and particularly enjoy folding
models by Lang & Montroll.  Lately though, I've been having a lot of trouble
with models by Robert Lang.  I'm not having much trouble with the folding
steps themselves (though his models do tend to have some rather bizarre
twists), but the paper I've been using really begins to weaken about halfway
through the folds.  The paper also tends to want to unfold itself once I
finish due to the thickness of the model.  I've been using fadeless art
paper, which works beautifully for most of Montroll's models by the way,
because I like working on complex models starting with about an 18" square
so things don't get TOO tiny later on.  I've also tried using home-made
tissue foil, by gluing sheets of tissue paper to aluminum foil, but this
paper doesn't allow for reversing folds very well (which is important for
models like the housefly, crab and butterfly in Origami Zoo).
Anyway, I was wondering if anyone had any paper suggestions for Lang's
models (particularly for paper available in stores in the Maryland/DC area
or by mail order).  I'd like to get some decent paper so I can work on the
models like the T.Rex skeleton & rock climber as well as the insects when
that book is out.

Also, in Complete Origami's scorpion, does anyone know a good way to divide
an angle in sevenths as the directions indicate?  John Montroll's Birds book
is out, by the way.  It's got about fifteen models in it which are
reasonably nice and not too hard overall (very few sinks in the models).
North American Animals isn't due for another 2 weeks according to the
bookstores I've checked in the area.

Thanks for any help,

Robb
