




Date: Mon, 7 Mar 94 11:47:29 AST
From: Jeanine Meyer <MEYER@PACEVM.DAC.PACE.EDU>
Subject: choices for first fold to a class (teaching)

I'm late to this but here is what I do:
1) magazine cover open box.  This has some utility and that appeals
to kids.  You do have to be careful or you'll get a tear, but I don't
view that as a bad thing.  For this and the next one, you can also
talk about rectangles that aren't squares.
2) business card frog.  This has real utility and is remembered!
3) water bomb (which I think people also call the balloon). You can
make this several times, and eventually use fancy paper.

4) Here is a fold I've been shown recently that sounds great (but let's
see if I can describe it).  Someone learned it from a volunteer at
the Natural History museum in NYC.  Fold a diaper (triangle) fold and
then fold thattriangle in half to make a triange half the size (and also
a right triange). Lay your finger along one of the side meeting at the
right angle (you can choose whether to use these terms.  I'm doing it
because I can't show it) and fold one flap back over your finger.  Remove
finger and crease.  Then flip it over and do the other side to match.That's
all the folding.  Turn the model so that the wings point up and gently press
the back/ridge/spine.  The little critter will flutter its wings.

Jeanine Meyer





Date: Mon, 7 Mar 94 13:47:33 AST
From: GURKEWITZ@WCSUB.CTSTATEU.EDU
Subject: RE: choices for first fold to a class (teaching)

I agree about the magazine box as a first fold. In NY we call it
Lillian's first lesson, referring to Lillian Oppenheimer who
ran the Origami Center of America.

I'm into modulars so I have a couple of modulars that I do as
part of the first lesson, and maybe a simple swan.

I have a couple of folds I've tried on 3,4,and 5 year olds individually
and not as a class. My 4 year old nephew kind of lead me to create
them. I think they would be considered appropriate "math" material
for these ages and maybe slightly older children.

1) Bird  Fold a square point to point to get a triangle. Fold the
triangle in half to get another triangle. Fold this triangle in
half to get a smaller triangle and then say look what we have,
a bird, but both of its wings are on the same side of its body, and
then move one triangular flap to the other side of the model so it
looks like a bird. Children say it looks like a plane too.

2) (this is not too corny for little kids)
This is a magic trick. We're going to start with a big square and
make a little square from it. Start with a square. Fold it edge to
edge to get a rectangle. Fold the short edges of the rectangle togethre
to get a smaller square. that's the trick. Then open up the model and
count the squares.(For older kids decide whether overlapping squares
count.)

Rona
gurkewitz@wcsub.ctstateu.edu





Date: Mon, 7 Mar 94 15:06:19 AST
From: TRAMONT MICHAEL <mtramont@vela.acs.oakland.edu>
Subject: Re: choices for first fold to a class (teaching)

On Mon, 7 Mar 1994, Jeanine Meyer wrote:

> I'm late to this but here is what I do:
> 1) magazine cover open box.  This has some utility and that appeals

> 2) business card frog.  This has real utility and is remembered!

       Is this a business card HOLDER?  And if so, where can I find the
pattern for it?  (It sounds like a cute thing to have on your desk.)

BTW, I'm new to origami and this list (about 2 weeks), but I'm having a
lot of fun working my way through Harbin's "Teach Yourself Origami".  The
only problem I'm having is with my paper:  I suspect that it's not truly
square.  Is 7 X 7 paper a good size to learn origami with?

TIA,

Micheal Tramont





Date: Mon, 7 Mar 94 20:58:53 AST
From: lcasey@koko.csustan.edu (Linda Casey)
Subject: Re: Hi, I'm new

Hi!
See to me the balloon is easy.  I guess it's just a matter of thought.  You are
right about the tucks.  I usually find a few tabs sticking out on a balloon or
two.  Well, I'll just have to give the swan a try this spring and see how it
works out.

Happy Folding!
Linda Casey
On the way to Taho





Date: Mon, 7 Mar 94 21:07:15 AST
From: lcasey@koko.csustan.edu (Linda Casey)
Subject: Re: Hi, I'm new

Thank you Rob for the pattern.  I'll try it tonight.  Sounds great and easy!

Happy Folding!
Linda Casey





Date: Tue, 8 Mar 94 08:22:28 AST
From: TRAMONT MICHAEL <mtramont@vela.acs.oakland.edu>
Subject: Chess Set

I'm not sure if I recall correctly, but was someone recently asking about
diagrams for a chess set?

I noticed in the bookstore last night that Montroll's 1993 book "Origami
Inside and Out" has diagrams for a complete chess set and board.
(Hopefully I'm correct on the title.)

Micheal Tramont





Date: Tue, 8 Mar 94 10:27:19 AST
From: FWOLFLINK@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU
Subject: Re: choices for first fold to a class (teaching)

This is a great discussion!

I've got a fold I taught my three year old: ANTs

Take a 1 inch square of black paper and fold in half
along the diagonal.  Then valley fold two small triangles,
one on each side of the figure, up from the point where
opposite corners of the original square meet. We make dozens
of them at a sitting.

I also taught her to fold a square in half and then half
again to make book signatures.  We usually make four or five
and then staple the spines together to make a twenty page book.

fred wolflink
fwolflink@rcnvms.rcn.mass.edu





Date: Tue, 08 Mar 1994 10:37:31 -0400 (AST)
From: The Patient One <chupenr@minerva.cis.yale.edu>
Subject: Re: Chess Set

On Tue, 8 Mar 1994, TRAMONT MICHAEL wrote:

> I'm not sure if I recall correctly, but was someone recently asking about
> diagrams for a chess set?
>
> I noticed in the bookstore last night that Montroll's 1993 book "Origami
> Inside and Out" has diagrams for a complete chess set and board.
> (Hopefully I'm correct on the title.)
>
> Micheal Tramont
>
>
The book is "Origami Inside Out" by John Montroll.

Penelope Chua   Biology Dept., Yale University   chupenr@minerva.cis.yale.edu





Date: Tue, 8 Mar 94 10:58:02 AST
From: Marc_Hache@MBnet.MB.CA (Marc Hache)
Subject: Hello and looking for a corkscrew model

Hi,

Another newbie to the list. I must say I was very pleased to discover this
list and the archives at rugcis. I started folding over 20 years ago
(seriously for the last 2) and yet I still get excited when I find new
sources of models and techniques. My favorite models are those folded from
a single square and yet yield apparently complex end results (any of
Montroll's advanced Sea Life models for example).

A couple of questions:

1) My dad is avid collector of corkscrews and I would really like to be
able to fold him one. I've checked the dbindex file from the archives but
am only able to read half of it due to a lack of memory. The first half of
it did not yield any results. Has anyone ever seen a folded corkscrew ? If
not, any suggestions on how to proceed would be helpful. I have the Origami
Omnibus and in it there is a model called the Object d'Art, perhaps using
it as a basis would be a good place to start.

2) I'm having trouble with the GIF versions of the Origami_Online magazine.
I can download and unzip them fine, but my GIF viewer (CSHOW) doesn't
recognize them. Any suggestions ? OOV1I3 and OOV2I1 are the specific files.

3) My very first books were Origami 1,2 and 3 by Robert Harbin. Origami 1
got lost the last time we moved. I understand that it is no longer in print
but may have been published under another title which is still available. Does
anyone know what it is now called ?

Thanks for reading. Happy folding.
Marc Hache
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
hache@mbnet.mb.ca





Date: Tue, 8 Mar 94 12:26:49 AST
From: GURKEWITZ@WCSUB.CTSTATEU.EDU
Subject: RE: Chess Set

The British Origami Society published a booklet on Chess Sets a while
ago. Don't know if it's still in print.

Rona





Date: Tue, 8 Mar 94 13:34:29 AST
From: Brian Ewins <gapv64@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: GIFS was:Re: Hello and looking for a corkscrew model

Hi,
        the problem you have with the GIFs of the
OO magavine is that they are the old standard. There
are two kinds of GIFs, GIF87 and GIF89a named after
the dates when they appeared; from the name 89a I'd
guess there were more, but I haven't seen them.
        Solution: get a different viewer.
One which handles both is lview30 . Note the version
number: the newest version is lview31 which doesnt
do GIF87's. (thats for MS-Windows, you can get it
from ftp.cica.indiana.edu)

        Hope this helps.
               Baz.





Date: Tue, 8 Mar 94 14:44:06 AST
From: Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>
Subject: Re: Hello and looking for a corkscrew model

On Tue, 8 Mar 1994, Marc Hache wrote:

> 1) My dad is avid collector of corkscrews and I would really like to be
> able to fold him one. I've checked the dbindex file from the archives but
> am only able to read half of it due to a lack of memory. The first half of
> it did not yield any results. Has anyone ever seen a folded corkscrew ? If
> not, any suggestions on how to proceed would be helpful. I have the Origami
> Omnibus and in it there is a model called the Object d'Art, perhaps using
> it as a basis would be a good place to start.

A corkscrew should be easy to fold. I have an idea now that I will
implement as soon as I finish this reply. The _objet_d'art_ would probably
be a bit difficult to modify into a true corkscrew, however. I'll probably
have my corkscrew diagrammed in a few days and then I'll send it to
Maarten to put on the archives.

> 2) I'm having trouble with the GIF versions of the Origami_Online magazine.
> I can download and unzip them fine, but my GIF viewer (CSHOW) doesn't
> recognize them. Any suggestions ? OOV1I3 and OOV2I1 are the specific files.

Bazza replied with a discussion on GIF87a and GIF89a. Since the GIF
standard was developed by CompuServe and CShow is produced under licence
from them, CShow should be able to show GIF89a images. Perhaps you should
be looking for a newer version of CShow? Another alternatvie to CShow is
VPIC, but I don't have any info on it right now (I'm at work, my copy of
VPIC is at home).

Also, this might be of interest to you (although you might already know
about it):

   Winnepeg : Origami Society of Canada : Brian Cox (204)669-3697

I do find the name a little pretentious, however. 8)





Date: Tue, 8 Mar 94 15:24:54 AST
From: Brian Ewins <gapv64@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Hello and looking for a corkscrew model

Hi,
>From reading this letter (Joe's) I realise I didn't
make it clear which kind of GIF the OO mag is. theyre 87's.
        Baz.





Date: Tue, 8 Mar 94 15:44:27 AST
From: Mark Morden <marmonk@eskimo.com>
Subject: Esher paper in Seattle

  Here is a tip for any folders in Seattle or those who will be
visiting.  A new exhibit of MC Esher drawings opened last weekend at
Seattle Center.  It will run thru the middle of May.  The exhibit alone
is worth the time.  However, in the gift shop they sell Esher wrapping
paper.  16 sheets of 8 designs for $10.   Very cool stuff.  Start
stockpiling now.   BTW, those in Chicago can find the same paper at the
Archicenter, downtown across from the Art Institute.

Mark Morden
marmonk@eskimo.com





Date: Tue, 8 Mar 94 15:53:40 AST
From: SOYLENT GREEN <rhudson@yorkcol.edu>
Subject: Re: choices for first fold to a class (teaching)

Fred: Staples?!!!! How dare you!

You should check out Kasahara's Origami Omnibus.. it's got 16,4 and 10 page
books I think, made out of one single square, NO STAPLING!

(Sorry.. that streak of purism runs deep :))





Date: Tue, 8 Mar 94 16:05:22 AST
From: SOYLENT GREEN <rhudson@yorkcol.edu>
Subject: RE: Hello and looking for a corkscrew model

Marc:
My version of CSHOW does just fine.. as long as the files you downloaded were
.GIF files (the extension .GIF are on the end)  You may have accidentally
downloaded the Mac version of those.. even so, Cshow should recognize most file
formats...





Date: Tue, 8 Mar 94 19:10:39 AST
From: Elaine Rhodes <erhodes@camelot.bradley.edu>
Subject: Re: Chess Set

>I'm not sure if I recall correctly, but was someone recently asking about
>diagrams for a chess set?
>
>I noticed in the bookstore last night that Montroll's 1993 book "Origami
>Inside and Out" has diagrams for a complete chess set and board.
>(Hopefully I'm correct on the title.)
>
>Micheal Tramont

You're right.  I got the book a little bit ago and I'm currently working
on making the set.  Oh, it's called: Origami Inside-Out.

Elaine Rhodes   erhodes@camelot.bradley.edu





Date: Wed, 9 Mar 94 03:13:45 AST
From: gdscott@aol.com
Subject: ratio

Hi:

How do you determine a 1: square root of 2 ratio from a square paper?

Thank you
GDScott





Date: Wed, 9 Mar 94 03:39:52 AST
From: Brian Ewins <gapv64@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: ratio

For shame ! go back to school!
        Consider folding a square along its diagonal:

\       |
|\      |
| \     |
|  \    | x
|   \   |
|    \  |
|     \ |
|______\|
    x
The sides of the square of length x, so if the length of
the diagonal is h, we have by Pythagoras:
 2    2    2
h  = x  + x
so:   _
h = \/2 x
you can construct two squares whose sides have this ratio
by folding all the corners into the centre.

Much more difficult: construct a ratio 1:cube root of 2
(go on, try it)

        Brian 'I have a degree in maths, y'know' Ewins
               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ... for all the good it
                              did me :o)





Date: Wed, 9 Mar 94 09:38:50 AST
From: SOYLENT GREEN <rhudson@yorkcol.edu>
Subject: RE: ratio

I would just square the root 2, getting 4.. then the 1 squared is 1.  So you
wind up with 1x4.





Date: Wed, 9 Mar 94 13:07:39 AST
From: Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>
Subject: Re: ratio

On Wed, 9 Mar 1994, Brian Ewins wrote:

> For shame ! go back to school!
>       Consider folding a square along its diagonal:
> ________
> \       |
> |\      |
> | \     |
> |  \    | x
> |   \   |
> |    \  |
> |     \ |
> |______\|
>     x
> The sides of the square of length x, so if the length of
> the diagonal is h, we have by Pythagoras:
>  2    2    2
> h  = x  + x
> so:   _
> h = \/2 x
> you can construct two squares whose sides have this ratio
> by folding all the corners into the centre.
>
> Much more difficult: construct a ratio 1:cube root of 2
> (go on, try it)
>
>       Brian 'I have a degree in maths, y'know' Ewins
>            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ... for all the good it
>                     did me :o)

For shame ! go back to school! That's not what was asked! We
want to find a rectangle with the proportions 1:sqrt(2). And
that is easily done as well.

 |\      |
 | \     |
 |  \    | x
 |   \   |
 |    \  |
 |     \ |
 |______\|
     x

Starting with the same square, fold one of the edges to the
diagonal crease.

 |\   |  |
 \ \  |  |
  | \ |  | x
  \  \|  |
   |  \  |
   \ /|\ |
    /_|_\|

Now at the point where the corner that you folded in touches
the diagonal crease, fold a vertical crease on the underlying
paper. Cut along this vertical crease and you are left with
two rectangles, the larger one having the ratio of 1:sqrt(2).
(For Bazza: what's the ratio of the smaller rectangle?)

For a complete treatment on this subject (including methods
for generating such rectangles from arbitrary rectangles),
see Steve & Megumi Biddle's book, _The_New_Origami_ (ISBN
0-09-177667-8).





Date: Wed, 9 Mar 94 15:20:16 AST
From: TRAMONT MICHAEL <mtramont@vela.acs.oakland.edu>
Subject: Re: Hello and looking for a corkscrew model

On Tue, 8 Mar 1994, Marc Hache wrote:

> Hi,
> ...
> 1) My dad is avid collector of corkscrews and I would really like to be
> able to fold him one. I've checked the dbindex file from the archives but
> am only able to read half of it due to a lack of memory. The first half of
> it did not yield any results. Has anyone ever seen a folded corkscrew ? If
> not, any suggestions on how to proceed would be helpful. I have the Origami
> Omnibus and in it there is a model called the Object d'Art, perhaps using
> it as a basis would be a good place to start.

   I checked the rest of the dbindex file and a corkscrew is not listed,
however, I did notice that there are several abstract/spiral-shaped folds
listed.  (see "Spirals" by Tomoko Fuse)  Perhaps some of these models
would be useful as a place to start.

> 2) I'm having trouble with the GIF versions of the Origami_Online magazine.
> I can download and unzip them fine, but my GIF viewer (CSHOW) doesn't
> recognize them. Any suggestions ? OOV1I3 and OOV2I1 are the specific files.

  I have also had this problem with CSHOW.  Does anyone know if I can send
a postscript file directly to my printer (assuming the printer's in
postscript mode) without going through a GIF viewer program?  (This may be
a silly question, but I've never worked with postscript files before.)

Micheal Tramont





Date: Wed, 9 Mar 94 15:58:31 AST
From: Brian Ewins <gapv64@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: ratio

Too easy ! 1: (1-1/root2),
but as a nicer number -  2:(2-root2)
... maybe my education wasn't wasted after all :o)
Baz.





Date: Wed, 9 Mar 94 16:11:40 AST
From: Cynthia Pettit <pettit@cs.unc.edu>
Subject: Re: ratio

>I would just square the root 2, getting 4.. then the 1 squared is 1.  So you
>wind up with 1x4.               ^^^^^^^^^

Hey, I thought if you square the root of 2 you get 2...

Cyn "jes' wondering" Pettit

        "It's not about driving down rt 66 and stopping at the Holiday Inn!
               It's about *adventure*!!"
                          ---Richard P Feynman





Date: Wed, 9 Mar 94 16:27:25 AST
From: Brian Ewins <gapv64@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Hello and looking for a corkscrew model

Postscript question:
The answer is yes, send postscript directly to printer without
GIF viewer. As you say, printer must be in PS mode. In MS-Windows,
the Print Manager (the dumbest I have ever come across) complains
that you do not have a filter for Postscript unless:
a) You have a PostScript printer driver of some kind installed
( the one with the same name as your printer if possible )
b) the driver isn't set up for PS only (NOT PostScript/Text)
c) the Print Manager has to be iconized, then you drag & drop
your file on to it.
Turning round three times and spitting probably helps too :o)
If you do use windows, and this just doesn't work, write to
me directly (gapv64@udcf.gla.ac.uk) & I'll explain how to
print PS files via the terminal program.
        Baz.





Date: Thu, 10 Mar 94 11:00:55 AST
From: FWOLFLINK@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU
Subject: Re: choices for first fold to a class (teaching)

>From Soylent Green:

Fred: Staples?!!!! How dare you!

You should check out Kasahara's Origami Omnibus.. it's got 16,4 and 10 page
books I think, made out of one single square, NO STAPLING!

(Sorry.. that streak of purism runs deep :))
"

You're right!  The book models are really good; unfortunately he doesn't
diagram the four page book and I've been trying to figure it out working
backwards from the ten -- trying to figure what makes the ten ten and how
it could be four.  Any ideas?

In any case, Alena, who's three, isn't likely to make her books without
staples for at least a while!

I came across a really simple pig face (7 folds and four drawn dots) if
anyone wants it, I'll post it.

fred wolflink
fwolflink@rcnvms.rcn.mass.edu





Date: Thu, 10 Mar 94 12:47:03 AST
From: GURKEWITZ@WCSUB.CTSTATEU.EDU
Subject: re: corkscrew model

I don't know of a corkscrew model, but a couple of years ago I saw
nut and bolt models that fit together. Maybe you could find that model
and adapt it.

Rona





Date: Thu, 10 Mar 94 13:00:53 AST
From: SOYLENT GREEN <rhudson@yorkcol.edu>
Subject: Re: choices for first fold to a class (teaching)

I think Harbin's SECRETS OF ORIGAMI might actually have the four-page book in
it.  I can look at my xeroxes later on (I found a copy of the book, and
copyright law, thankfully, allowed a duplicate to be made!)  The book's in
there, I think, along with a bookshelf which is fairly nice... comes apart a
bit at the shelf ends, however.

Rob





Date: Thu, 10 Mar 94 16:19:33 AST
From: Marc_Hache@MBnet.MB.CA (Marc Hache)
Subject: Re: Chess Set

> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 94 19:09:22 AST
> From: Elaine Rhodes <erhodes@camelot.bradley.edu>
>
>
> You're right.  I got the book a little bit ago and I'm currently working
> on making the set.  Oh, it's called: Origami Inside-Out.
>

I've just begun working on this project. It combines two of my favorite
pastimes. Have you figured out what size of paper to start with for the
chessboard in relation to the other pieces ? I'm using standard 6" paper
for the pieces and they turn out to a nice size. At a guess I'd say the
board would need paper 4 times as big.

Regards,
Marc Hache
hache@mbnet.mb.ca





Date: Thu, 10 Mar 94 17:17:35 AST
From: tjj@rolf.helsinki.fi (Timo Jokitalo)
Subject: How to fold these models by Kasahara?

On page 141 of Creative Origami, by Kunihiko Kasahara, there is a picture of
two trees for which diagrams are given. Under the trees, there are two people,
which are models I'd love to fold! I tried to figure out a way to do them, but
I fail to see how it could be done. Or is it perhaps a separate piece similar
to the waterbomb? To me, the people seem as though they could be done from
a frog base and I was able to get feet and hands similar to those, but I
don't really have enough experience to have a clue. Can anyone help?

And, in the Origami Omnibus, he gives a Llama on page 144. On step 6, you're
supposed to flatten the point into a square. I guess I had luck when I first
made this - the later attempts have become ugly! The fold comes inside the
Llama, so it doesn't really matter, but perhaps there's a trick to make this
kind of fold neatly?

        Thanks,
        Timo





Date: Thu, 10 Mar 94 17:43:48 AST
From: Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>
Subject: Re: Chess Set

On Thu, 10 Mar 1994, Marc Hache wrote:

> I've just begun working on this project. It combines two of my favorite
> pastimes. Have you figured out what size of paper to start with for the
> chessboard in relation to the other pieces ? I'm using standard 6" paper
> for the pieces and they turn out to a nice size. At a guess I'd say the
> board would need paper 4 times as big.

Phillip Yee in Seattle has successfully folded this chessboard. He started
with a 3 or 4 foot square (I forget) and ended up with an 8 inch square
table. So start BIG!!!





Date: Thu, 10 Mar 94 18:13:40 AST
From: Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>
Subject: Re: How to fold these models by Kasahara?

On Thu, 10 Mar 1994, Timo Jokitalo wrote:

> On page 141 of Creative Origami, by Kunihiko Kasahara, there is a picture of
> two trees for which diagrams are given. Under the trees, there are two people,
> which are models I'd love to fold! I tried to figure out a way to do them, but
> I fail to see how it could be done. Or is it perhaps a separate piece similar
> to the waterbomb? To me, the people seem as though they could be done from
> a frog base and I was able to get feet and hands similar to those, but I
> don't really have enough experience to have a clue. Can anyone help?

The head is a separate piece. And, yes, it is a waterbomb. Kasahara give a
similar model, with diagrams, in his book, _Origami:_El_Mundo_Nuevo_.





Date: Thu, 10 Mar 94 18:30:51 AST
From: lau@desci.wharton.upenn.edu (Yan K. Lau)
Subject: Re: Chess Set

Marc Hache write:
> I've just begun working on this project. It combines two of my favorite
> pastimes. Have you figured out what size of paper to start with for the
> chessboard in relation to the other pieces ? I'm using standard 6" paper
> for the pieces and they turn out to a nice size. At a guess I'd say the
> board would need paper 4 times as big.

I haven't been able to fold the chess pieces yet.  It always seems that
the paper gets too difficult to manage, esp. the crimp folds where the
top of the piece is pushed onto the base.  I need to make a more
determined effort sometime.

However, I have folded the chess board from wrapping paper.  A 30x30 in
paper comes to about a 7x7 in board.  Quite nice!  The chess pieces have
to be rather small to fit on this board.  Any suggestions for sources of
larger paper?

FOCA had a booklet of chess sets but it was out-of-print before I got
around to ordering it.  I wonder if this is the booklet someone else
mentioned?  I wonder what the pieces were like?

Unrelated, I wonder why 6 in. paper is so prevalent?  For more
complex models, 7 in. paper seems to work much better for getting
the fine details.  Of course, I use 10 in paper for really complex
models.

What do you do with not-so-perfect folded models when you are
learning a model?  And, if you fold the same model a lot to
remember them, what do you do with those?  Seems a waste to throw
them out.

Yan.

          "I think we're both gonna make it *big*. I am very optimistic."
   )~  Yan K. Lau          lau@desci.wharton.upenn.edu          130.91.161.6
 ~/~   OPIM Department     The Wharton School     University of Pennsylvania
 /\    God/Goddess/All that is -- the source of love, light and inspiration!





Date: Thu, 10 Mar 94 19:54:50 AST
From: aratner@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Alexander Ratner)
Subject: 4-page book

While I don't remember the name of the book, I believe there is a
very simple model of a book with four pages in an origami book by
the late Eric Kenneway.  I think the book might have been called
"Complete Origami".  It was hardcover and had many photographs.

The book model appears early on in Kenneway's book, and I seem to
remember that it was basically a box or cap that has been collapsed.
I hope this helps!

alex ratner





Date: Thu, 10 Mar 94 20:07:12 AST
From: SOYLENT GREEN <rhudson@yorkcol.edu>
Subject: larger Paper

I used to leech rolls of art foil from the High School Art Classrooms.. they're
about 3 feet wide, and you can cut your own squares.  Often this foil actually
holds a crease without the telltale "silver flaking" on the crease lines.  I
think Bienfang puts out rolls of this type..  You could probably make a
half-decent chessboard out of those.





Date: Thu, 10 Mar 94 23:24:45 AST
From: lcasey@koko.csustan.edu (Linda Casey)
Subject: Old-Fashioned Mat

Hi everyone,
I'm still looking for the pattern to the "Old-Fashioned" mat on page 61 of
Kunihiko Kasara's book ORIGAMI OMNIBUS.  He refers to it as a beginner's
pattern  (kasahara's sorry about spelling) and that is why it is not in-
cluded in his book.  He says it is available in many books.  Well, I've
been searching for almost a year and I haven't found it anywhere.  It is
circular with points and looks like a great project for gifts.  Does anyone
have this pattern?  I have written to Japan Publications and the Friends of
Origami in New York with SASE's with no luck.  Is there anyone who could
help?

Thanks a bunch!
Linda Casey
Modesto, CA





Date: Fri, 11 Mar 94 00:22:22 AST
From: lcasey@koko.csustan.edu (Linda Casey)
Subject: Love Origami

I love origami but I don't think I see it the same way some of you do. I just
follow the pattern.  I know about mountain and valley but I don't see it as
a foundation.  Maybe I need to be more analytic when I'm folding.  I have
figured out a couple of "original" (I think patterns) but my thinking was
more along the lines of finding pockets rather than folds.  It's good to see
different views of origami on the server.

I would be glad to share my Stella Octangula pattern with anyone who would
send a SASE or exchange patterns.  I have free xerox so that's no problem.
(aren't I lucky).  I'm into geometric.  Mostly containers.

Did you know that origami is part of the whole high school culture?  What's
funny is that the kids don't know that.  They fold hearts, squares that
tuck, arrows that tuck for notes to friends and don't even know they are
passing on culture.  Everytime I see a new shape I ask the student to make
one for me.  The heart is my favorite.  How about jewelry out of gum
wrappers.  It's super!

I am a quilter, too and I have gotten a lot of ideas from origami.  Two of
my magazine articles are from origami patterns I got from an envelope book.

Well, enough for now!

Linda Casey
Modesto, CA

For SASE's:

Linda L. Casey
304 Whitethorn Drive
Modesto, CA  95354





Date: Fri, 11 Mar 94 01:13:11 AST
From: Marc_Hache@MBnet.MB.CA (Marc Hache)
Subject: Re: Old-Fashioned Mat

> Hi everyone,
> I'm still looking for the pattern to the "Old-Fashioned" mat on page 61 of
> Kunihiko Kasara's book ORIGAMI OMNIBUS.  He refers to it as a beginner's
> pattern  (kasahara's sorry about spelling) and that is why it is not in-
> cluded in his book.  He says it is available in many books.  Well, I've
> been searching for almost a year and I haven't found it anywhere.  It is
> circular with points and looks like a great project for gifts.  Does anyone
> have this pattern?  I have written to Japan Publications and the Friends of
> Origami in New York with SASE's with no luck.  Is there anyone who could
> help?
>
> Thanks a bunch!
> Linda Casey
> Modesto, CA
>

Hi Linda, in Isao Honda's book _The World of Origami_ there is a model
called a Hot Plate Holder (pg. 165) that looks very very similar, only it
seems to have a single layer, instead of the double layer as shown in the
_Origami Omnibus_. It is a modular fold which, in this case, is folded from
old postcards. If you can't find the book let me know and I will either
diagram (yikes !) or photocopy it and snail mail.

Hope this helps.
Marc Hache
hache@mbnet.mb.ca





Date: Fri, 11 Mar 94 10:20:03 AST
From: Mark Morden <marmonk@eskimo.com>
Subject: Where to go in Little Tokyo?

I am going to be in Los Angeles next week on business and will be staying
at the New Otani hotel in Little Tokyo.  Unfortunately, I won't have a
lot of time to browse through stores trying to hunt down origami books
and paper.  Could some one point me to some specific stores that carry
origami books, either in English or Japanese.  (I don't read Japanese,
but the diagrams are easy enough to follow.)  Somebody here mentioned
sending away for Japenese books by Tokomo Fuse.  I'd love to get more of
her work.  She is my favorite author.

Thanks for the help

Mark Morden
marmonk@eskimo.com





Date: Fri, 11 Mar 94 12:08:38 AST
From: Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>
Subject: Re: Old-Fashioned Mat

On Thu, 10 Mar 1994, Linda Casey wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> I'm still looking for the pattern to the "Old-Fashioned" mat on page 61 of
> Kunihiko Kasara's book ORIGAMI OMNIBUS.  He refers to it as a beginner's
> pattern  (kasahara's sorry about spelling) and that is why it is not in-
> cluded in his book.  He says it is available in many books.  Well, I've
> been searching for almost a year and I haven't found it anywhere.  It is
> circular with points and looks like a great project for gifts.  Does anyone
> have this pattern?  I have written to Japan Publications and the Friends of
> Origami in New York with SASE's with no luck.  Is there anyone who could
> help?

The "Hot Plate Holder" that Marc Hache mentions is definitely what you are
looking for. (The book is _The_World_of_Origami_, ISBN 0-87040-383-4.) A
few points about the model:

a) It is a modular that consists of 40-60 modules (perhaps a bit much for a
   typical gift project?).

b) The model is to be folded from "postal cards", but any heavy paper cut
   into 3x2 rectangles should work.

c) The double-layer effect shown in _Omnibus_ is simply due to the fact
   that there are two mats stacked on top of each other.





Date: Fri, 11 Mar 1994 15:48:18 -0400 (AST)
From: tjj@rolf.helsinki.FI (Timo Jokitalo)
Subject: Re: How to fold these models by Kasahara?

*oops*
I wrote:
> which are models I'd love to fold! I tried to figure out a way to do them, but
> I fail to see how it could be done. Or is it perhaps a separate piece similar
> to the waterbomb?

I seem to have been thinking of something else! I meant that I don't see how
the _head_ is folded!

        Timo





Date: Sat, 12 Mar 1994 05:54:54 -0400 (AST)
From: Agnes Tomorrow <atom@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Where to go in Little Tokyo?

On Fri, 11 Mar 1994, Mark Morden wrote:

> I am going to be in Los Angeles next week on business and will be staying
> at the New Otani hotel in Little Tokyo.  Unfortunately, I won't have a
> lot of time to browse through stores trying to hunt down origami books
> and paper.  Could some one point me to some specific stores that carry
> origami books, either in English or Japanese.

        I'd recommend you start at the Japanese-American Museus (1st and
Central), where they do sell paper and some books, and in their
'Heritage' area there's a hands-on origami center--the people there will
have the best idea of which stores have a good selection of paper and
books.  I did well at Bun-ka-do, across the street from the museum--I
understand there's a branch of Kuniokiya (sp?) which I didn't go to, as
we have one here in Seattle, but which I've  found to have a good
selection of books in English and/or Japanese.

Agnes Tomorrow
atom@u.washington.edu





Date: Sun, 13 Mar 94 08:53:07 AST
From: Agnes Tomorrow <atom@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Old-Fashioned Mat

k
        Could the one you describe be this?
        Take 8 small squares.  Fold each in half horizontally.  Fold one end's
corners in to the center line at a 45-degree angle.  Fold the other end
up inside at a 45-degree angle.  The pieces will look sort of like this:

  /       / with this end opening in two 'legs'.
 /       /
/-------/

        Take two pieces with the 'legs' pointing up.  Rotate one piece
clockwise 45 degrees, and place the other piece between its 'legs'.  A
small tab from each 'leg' will extend beyond the edge--tuck these inside
to hold the pieces together.  Continue on around, attaching each piece
the same way.  As always, the last piece is the most difficult to put in
place!
        The resulting model has some 'slide' possible between pieces, and
can either be an octagonal frame, or a mat with eight points, depending
on how close together the pieces are slid.  (or any combination of
symmetrical points/frame seegments)

        I'm not the best at describing this!  If you want to try it, and
it doesn't work for you, feel free to email me to say where you run into
trouble and I'll try to explain better!  *(I could *show* you so easily!!!)*
Or send me your snail mail address, and I could send you a complete model
and a sample module--it's really easy to figure out from that!  (I
learned this from someone who was folding cranes at a science fiction
convention--I've never seen it in a book.)

Agnes Tomorrow
atom@u.washington.edu





Date: Sun, 13 Mar 94 17:03:32 AST
From: Marc_Hache@MBnet.MB.CA (Marc Hache)
Subject: Lang's Cuckoo Clock

Well, I'm feeling a bit a masochistic and am about to embark on folding Mr.
Lang's cuckoo clock using a 2ft by 14ft sheet of florists paper. I was
wondering if anyone had any hints to help me along the way. I've reviewed
the diagrams and it _looks_ straightforward. Given some of the other models
I've attempted from his books, I doubt it.

Thanks as always,
Marc Hache
hache@mbnet.mb.ca





Date: Sun, 13 Mar 94 17:10:53 AST
From: Marc_Hache@MBnet.MB.CA (Marc Hache)
Subject: Cicada's

Was watching PBS this morning and they happened to mention that Cicada's
spend 17 years underground preparing to emerge.

After reading the diagrams for Lang's Cicada (_The Complete Book of
Origami_) it occurred to me that he may have know this fact when designing
this model...It'll take me at least that long to fold it :-).

Marc Hache
hache@mbnet.mb.ca





Date: Sun, 13 Mar 1994 17:24:59 -0400 (AST)
From: lcasey@koko.csustan.EDU (Linda Casey)
Subject: Re: Lang's Cuckoo Clock

WOW!!! How big will the clock be when it's finished?  Where will it go?  Is it
a gift? Super!  Let us know how it come out.

Linda Casey
modesto, CA





Date: Mon, 14 Mar 94 08:13:48 AST
From: GURKEWITZ@WCSUB.CTSTATEU.EDU
Subject: Re: Old-Fashioned Mat

Agnes' description sounds like Bob Neales fold in Magic of Origami by
Gray and Kasahara.





Date: Mon, 14 Mar 94 12:31:09 AST
From: hull@cs.uri.edu (Tom Hull)
Subject: RE: old-fashioned mat and MORE

Howdy people!

RE: Old-fashioned mat
     Yes, the modular thing that Anges described is indeed Bob Neale's
Pinwheel. It's an extremely bitchin' fold, and can be found _The Magic
of Origami_ by Alice Gray and Kunhiko Kasahara. It will also be appearing
in _Origami, Plain and Simple_ by Bob Neale and myself (which will be
coming out next month!!! Yeee!!!).

RE: Simple folds to teach
     That reminds me, last week (while I was away) there was a LENGTHY
discussion on favorite simple models to teach beginners. Ever since I
started working on _Origami, Plain and Simple_ with Bob, I've adopted his
simple frog (which I call Frog with a Big Mouth) and his owlet as my
favorite beginner folds. They're quick, easy, and fail-safe. The Frog
in particular is quite wonderful. It never fails to please.
     SO, for your pleasure (and as a cheap advertisement for my book) I'll
try to describe how to fold this here froggy.

FROG WITH A BIG MOUTH (by Bob Neale):

(1) Take a square, white side up, and fold a diagonal. Then unfold and
do the other diagonal. Leave this one folded.

The result will be a right triangle, with two 45 degree angles and one
90 degree angle. So far so good? Cool.

(2) Fold the two 45-degree corners (which I will henceforth call the "two
flaps") to the right angle.

This should turn the triangle into a smaller square, but now we have the
two flaps snuggled against the 90-degree angle.

(3) Take one of the flaps and fold it to the OPPOSITE corner of the square.
This is the equivalent of folding the whole triangle flap in half. REPEAT
with the other flap.

So now the two flaps are both pointing at the opposite corner of the square
than they were previously. Still with me? We're almost done. I highly
suggest getting a piece of paper out and actually doing this rather than
just reading it and trying to fold the frog "in your mind."

(4) Now take one of the flaps and fold it TO THE SIDE CORNER. Repeat with the
other flap.

I'm not sure if that's easy to follow. Basically, in step (3) we folded the
triangle flap in half, right? Well, in step (4) we're doing the same thing
again, folding the triangle flap in half. Only now it causes the flap to
go to the SIDE rather than to the opposite corner.

In any case, you're done!

(5) Now turn the model over, and put your finger in between the white layers to
open up the "mouth." You may want to spread the legs out too.

Isn't that awesome??? I love it. ANYONE can do this fold. It's all valley
folds, as easy as it gets.

Allright. BTW, I just came back from a week-long math conference where
I presented my origami-math paper "On the Mathematics of Flat Origamis",
and they loved it! People even asked for copies, and I've been invited
to present the extended version of the talk at Wesleyan's math colloquium
series! WOW!!! Origami math is indeed on the rise!

---------------------- Tom "springy" Hull





Date: Mon, 14 Mar 94 12:38:46 AST
From: "M.J.van.Gelder" <M.J.van.Gelder@rc.rug.nl>
Subject: Cuckoo clock

The house of the cuckoo clock wil be about 1.2 ft when folded from 14 ft long
paper. The total height will be about 2.3 ft.
This is estimated from the clock my son folded from 3.5 meter paper. Tha
clock is about 60 cm high total (house 30 cm= 1ft).
So it is a large life size clock.

Maarten van Gelder                   M.J.van.Gelder@RC.RUG.NL
Lichtboei 210                        Rekencentrum Rijksuniversiteit RuG
9732 JK  Groningen                   Groningen
Holland                              Holland





Date: Mon, 14 Mar 94 13:11:01 AST
From: larrys@zk3.dec.com
Subject: Re: Cuckoo clock and other musings

>The house of the cuckoo clock...

I am but lately come to this list, but it seems like _everyone_ is
talking about this cuckoo clock.  Can someone post a reference to
it?  Is it from a book?  None of the ones I've already collected!

I presume this is a non-working clock as even a NONworking cuckoo clock
would be nontrivial, but one of my treasured books is a _working_ all-
paper clock presented in a cut-n-assemble form.  Has anyone ever tried
to fold a working clock, perhaps using the cut-n-assemble clock as a
guide for the gearworks?  How would you go about folding a gear from
a traditional square or that modern "tradition", the 8 1/2 x 11 sheet?

I recently picked up a book on paper airplanes called "GREAT Paper Air-
planes" from a "traditional" airplane folder - all models are folded from
8 1/2 x 11 sheets and require no cuts, tape or paper clips.  Some are
quite clever.  He's come closer than anyone I've yet seen (including my
own poor efforts) to folding a B2 bomber.

And to drag in one more favorite subject and try to make the entertainment
content of this, my first post to the list, a bit higher, has anyone used
origami for some other hobby?  I'm building a parasitic boost-glider
rocket that will carry a pair of flying origami paper airplanes aloft -
a heckuva lot cheaper than those foam planes! - using the McDonald-Douglass
professional entry from the International Paper Airplane Competition book,
that elegant plane based on the water-bomb base but using 8 1/2 x 11 paper.

Larry Smith
larrys@alpha.zk3.dec.com/thesmiths@mv.mvcom





Date: Mon, 14 Mar 94 13:34:33 AST
From: Marc_Hache@MBnet.MB.CA (Marc Hache)
Subject: Re: Cuckoo clock and other musings

> >The house of the cuckoo clock...
>
> I am but lately come to this list, but it seems like _everyone_ is
> talking about this cuckoo clock.  Can someone post a reference to
> it?  Is it from a book?  None of the ones I've already collected!

The one I'm working on is from Robert Lang's book _The Complete Book of
Origami_, a must for any origami library. The clock is three dimensional and
although doesn't "work" in the traditional sense, it has a lever that
when pulled causes the cuckoo to pop out of the top of the clock. Pretty
awesome.

Thanks to Maarten for the estimated dimensions, I'm looking forward to
hanging it on the living room wall [if my wife lets me, she's not much of
an origami fan :-( ].

Marc Hache
hache@mbnet.mb.ca





Date: Mon, 14 Mar 94 13:43:07 AST
From: MBISHOP@ccmail.sunysb.edu
Subject: Clock, etc

Hi all, like Larry Smith, I am a new member to this list. I would be very
interested to know more about this clock.

Larry asked:

>content of this, my first post to the list, a bit higher, has anyone used
>origami for some other hobby?

I am a textile artist (read Quilter) and have used flat fold origami for fabric
manipulations. I am interested in seeing how far one can go with origami in
fabrics.

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Date: Mon, 14 Mar 94 13:54:15 AST
From: Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>
Subject: Re: Clock, etc

On Mon, 14 Mar 1994 MBISHOP@ccmail.sunysb.edu wrote:

> Hi all, like Larry Smith, I am a new member to this list. I would be very
> interested to know more about this clock.
>
> Larry asked:
>
> >content of this, my first post to the list, a bit higher, has anyone used
> >origami for some other hobby?
>
> I am a textile artist (read Quilter) and have used flat fold origami for
> fabric manipulations. I am interested in seeing how far one can go with
> origami in fabrics.

The clock, Mark Hache has expounded, is from Robert Lang's _The_Complete_Book_
_of_Origami_. Lang has, by the way, created a newer version of his cuckoo
clock called the Black Forest Cuckoo Clock. It looks like a traditional
Swiss design with leaves decorating the "roof", a deer's head on top, and
counterweights that look like pine cones.

As for using flat origami designs for quilting, you should contact Chris
Palmer in San Francisco--he is a master of flat geometric forms and also
quilts. I'll try to dig up his address for you.





Date: Mon, 14 Mar 94 14:02:03 AST
From: "Michael G. McKellar" <mgq@inel.gov>
Subject: Re: Cuckoo clock and other musings

>> >The house of the cuckoo clock...
>>
>> I am but lately come to this list, but it seems like _everyone_ is
>> talking about this cuckoo clock.  Can someone post a reference to
>> it?  Is it from a book?  None of the ones I've already collected!
>
>The one I'm working on is from Robert Lang's book _The Complete Book of
>Origami_, a must for any origami library. The clock is three dimensional and
although doesn't "work" in the traditional sense, it has a lever that
>when pulled causes the cuckoo to pop out of the top of the clock. Pretty
>awesome.

Marc, when you finish, can you somehow take a picture, scan it, and post it so
that we can see it?  If you can't, take a picture of it and I can scan it
and post it for you.  I would really like to see this.  By the way I'm new
to the list,  I've been doing origamin for about 25 years.  I recieved
Secrets of Origami when I was ten, (I really love this book).  It has
some great models.  I have the It's Magic memorized, so that when kids want
to see something cool made from paper, I do this.  I'm looking for more
books along this caliber or better.  Thanks Marc for the above suggestion.
Are there any others?
Michael G. McKellar
Idaho National Engineering Laboratory
e-mail: mgq@inel.gov





Date: Mon, 14 Mar 94 14:09:37 AST
From: The Patient One <chupenr@minerva.cis.yale.edu>
Subject: Re: Clock, etc

On Mon, 14 Mar 1994, Joseph Wu wrote:
>
> The clock, Mark Hache has expounded, is from Robert Lang's _The_Complete_Book_
> _of_Origami_. Lang has, by the way, created a newer version of his cuckoo
> clock called the Black Forest Cuckoo Clock. It looks like a traditional
> Swiss design with leaves decorating the "roof", a deer's head on top, and
> counterweights that look like pine cones.

How may I get a copy of the directions for the Black Forest Cuckoo Clock?
Is it going to be published in a new book?

And lastly, is it one of those impossible-to-make models?  How long did it
take you to fold it?

Penelope Chua   Biology Dept., Yale University   chupenr@minerva.cis.yale.edu





Date: Mon, 14 Mar 94 14:17:30 AST
From: larrys@zk3.dec.com
Subject: Re: Clock, etc

>Lang has, by the way, created a newer version of his cuckoo
>clock called the Black Forest Cuckoo Clock.

Has this been published?  Where? This sounds like a great project to
combine with the cut-n-assemble clock I mentioned.  Maybe it wouldn't
cuckoo, but it would _run_!

Larry Smith
larrys@alpha.zk3.dec.com/thesmiths@mv.mv.com





Date: Mon, 14 Mar 94 14:52:37 AST
From: Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>
Subject: Re: Clock, etc

On Mon, 14 Mar 1994, The Patient One wrote:

> How may I get a copy of the directions for the Black Forest Cuckoo Clock?
> Is it going to be published in a new book?
>
> And lastly, is it one of those impossible-to-make models?  How long did it
> take you to fold it?

As far as I know, Penny, it hasn't been diagrammed. And, I've never folded
it. I know of only one in existence, one that Lang himself folded and
brought with him on his trip to Japan. After the trip, it was given to
Toshi Aoyagi of Toronto as a gift for arranging the trip and for
translating during the trip. Incidentally, it was the only model to
survive the fire in Toshi's apartment. I'll be seeing it in real life for
the first time when I go to visit in late May. And so, that is everything
I know about the Black Forest Cuckoo Clock. I believe that there is a
photo of it in one of the recent FOCA Newsletters (#44 ?).





Date: Mon, 14 Mar 94 16:45:43 AST
From: Marc_Hache@MBnet.MB.CA (Marc Hache)
Subject: Book Suggestions (Was Cuckoo clock and other musings)

> Michael G. McKellar wrote

<snip>

> to see something cool made from paper, I do this.  I'm looking for more
> books along this caliber or better.  Thanks Marc for the above suggestion.
> Are there any others?

IMHO:

Must haves:
Origami for the Connoisseur by Kasahara and Takahama
Origami Omnibus by Kasahara

Although I haven't seen it yet, I've heard that _Folding the Universe: Origami
from Angelfish to Zen_ falls into this category.

Nice to have
Origami Sea Life by John Montroll and Robert Lang
Origami Inside Out by John Montroll (nice chess set and board)
Complete Origami by Eric Kenneway (more of a general interest book although
the Jack in the Box is _way_ cool)

Practical:
Lifestyle Origami by Jay Ansill
Origami Boxes by Tomoko Fuse

Interesting:
The Complete Origami Course by Paul Jackson
The World of Origami by Isao Honda
Mythical Beings by Jay Ansill

I'm sure there's more, which brings me to a suggestion, why don't we each
pick a few of our favourite books and write a short review (I have no idea
how to co-ordinate this). The file could be kept in the archives for use by
newcomers and veterans alike.

Later,
Marc Hache
hache@mbnet.mb.ca





Date: Mon, 14 Mar 94 17:07:04 AST
From: Brian Ewins <gapv64@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Fabric (was cuckoo clock, like every other message!)

Hi,
        Someone asked about doing origami with fabric...
the quilter in our midst took this in one direction,
but I've been thinking recently about folding large
models from fabric for other reasons. Basically, I was
going to get some big cloth squares, (of course, you
can get almost any pattern of cloth easily) fold the
model, and at each stage where the fold is creased, use
a steam iron/spray starch or some such. The neeto thing
about this, apart from the ready availability of
material of all sizes, is that once you wash the model,
all the creases come out and you can make something else.
Has anyone else tried this ?
        Baz.





Date: Mon, 14 Mar 94 23:14:58 AST
From: lcasey@koko.csustan.edu (Linda Casey)
Subject: GhostScript

Hi,
I downloaded both the windows and dos386 version of GhostScript along with the
recommended files.  Neither one will run for me.  I followed the directions in
use.doc.  When I type in heart.ps athe the gs prompt it has an error. The
heart file is with the gs program.  It did say to put things on the C:\ but
I have two drives and so I put this program on the D:\.  Does this make a
difference?  I get very frustrated with downloading large programs that don't
run.
Can someone help me?
Thanks!

Linda L. Casey
lcasey@koko.csustan.edu





Date: Mon, 14 Mar 94 23:58:30 AST
From: skelley@birch.ee.vt.edu (Sean Kelley)
Subject: Re: GhostScript

Hi,
        I have had success with ghostscript for DOS. First, make
sure that you have 2.6.1; Previous versions never worked properly
for me. Second, my directory structure is as follows:

        \gs\ps_files
               all the *.ps files in the distributions
        \gs\fonts
               all the fonts
        \gs\doc
               docs & readmes
        \gs\bin
               dos4gw.exe, *.exe, *.bat, *.ico, *.res

If you wish to put ghostscript in your path, all you have to
include is \gs\bin. Next you must modify the batch files provided
with the distribution. They are designed to print *TEXT* files
to a postscript printer! My 'gsdj' follows (it is all on one line):

@gs386 -I../fonts -I../ps_files -q -sDEVICE=djet500 -dDISKFONTS
-dNOPAUSE level1.ps -- %1

You should change the '-sDEVICE=' for your printer (if there is
a 'gsxxx.bat' file for your printer, then you may want to check
it for any other options). Sean.
