




Date: Mon, 14 Feb 94 23:29:58 AST
From: Laurence.Biederman@um.cc.umich.edu
Subject: I hope I have done this right

Greetings fellow folders!
     It was with much joy that I finally got connected to the origami
network.   I actually was on the network a few years ago as a freshman at
SUNY-Binghamton, but it became too much of a hassle due to several
disadvantages of the system, particularly having to change addresses at the
end of every semester, and even mid-semester.

    I grew up in northern NJ, where I occasionally went to local meetings,
then went to SUNY-B for a Bachelor's in Biophysics.  I am currently a grad
student (PhD track) in the Department of Physiology at the University of
Michigan in Ann Arbor.

   I've been attending meetings of AASO every month here.  It is great to be
back in the fold!  I was most fortunate that my very first meeting was with
special guest John Montroll!!!   Don Shall's enthusiasm is fantastic.  AASO
has really been a second family to me, especially since there are hundreds
of miles between me and my family and my girlfriend.

    This year I actually have some hope of making it to the convention.
Believe it or not, I've been a member of The Friends since about 1987, but
have never been to a convention due to "scholastic" constraints on my
schedules.

    Does anybody know of a good model of a rat or mouse?   I'm sure Montroll
has a rat or two, but I'm looking for one that would be somewhat appropriate
for beginners.

Looking forward to hearing from you...
Laurence "Lar" Biederman





Date: Tue, 15 Feb 94 00:32:45 AST
From: MLM7395@RIGEL.TAMU.EDU
Subject: The Friends' Collections

I've been lurking out here for some time without anything to write, but now I
have a question I hope one of you can answer.  I've recently discovered dollar
bill folding and would like more models (I bought The Buck Book, but was
disappointed with everything in it but the elephant).  Someone on the list
suggested the annual collections published by the Friends, and I got their
list today.  However, it doesn't say which models are in each collection.  Can
someone help me out?  I really only care about the dollar folds in each one,
since I've been folding for about 20 years and have lots of other stuff and
very few dollar folds.

Thanks!
Monica





Date: Tue, 15 Feb 94 01:20:15 AST
From: r.follmer@genie.geis.com
Subject: Other Buck Books

Along with a 1956 edition of Harbin's Paper Magic, (eat your hearts out) I
have two books  titled "Folding Money" Vol 1 & 2.  They might possibly
stil;l eb available through Magic, Inc., in Chicago, Illinois.  The books
have been of immense help in the money market to say the very least.

(Anyone wanna make me an offer for the Harbin book??? :))

Bobber





Date: Tue, 15 Feb 94 11:42:36 AST
From: ab682@leo.nmc.edu (Nancy Nietupski)
Subject: Re: I hope I have done this right

Hi Lar,

>    I grew up in northern NJ, where I occasionally went to local meetings,
>then went to SUNY-B for a Bachelor's in Biophysics.  I am currently a grad
>student (PhD track) in the Department of Physiology at the University of
>Michigan in Ann Arbor.
        I'm not that far from you, just over in Grand Rapids.  I would like
to go to one of the AASO meetings but I have a job that requires me to
be on call seven days a week but maybe someday I'll meet you there.

>    Does anybody know of a good model of a rat or mouse?   I'm sure Montroll
>has a rat or two, but I'm looking for one that would be somewhat appropriate
>for beginners.
        There is a simple mouse in _The Complete Origami Course_ by
Paul Jackson and one that is a little more complex but very cute in
Yoshizawa's _Origami Museum I: Animals_ which is fun to fold with the
laminated tissue-foil-tissue paper.  I have been trying to fold Yoshizawa's
gorilla which is in the book and have failed miserably until I tried it
with the tissue paper and aluminum foil trick.

Nancy Nietupski

>
>
>Looking forward to hearing from you...
>Laurence "Lar" Biederman
>
>
>
>

Nancy Nietupski
ab682@leo.nmc.edu





Date: Tue, 15 Feb 94 11:50:38 AST
From: Charlotte Steffani <CSTEFFAN@CMS.CC.WAYNE.EDU>
Subject: Re: I hope I have done this right

What luck! I was just trying to find out if there were any local origami groups
 I thought there just had to be one in Ann Arbor - and here you are. Could you
give me some information about the group you belong to - who to contact, when
and where you meet. About the simple mouse - Lang has a white-faced mouse in
the book I'm working in; it's simple, I can do it. I'm not sure of the name of
the book, I'll get it and let you know.





Date: Tue, 15 Feb 94 12:40:50 AST
From: Marc Kossa <M.Kossa@frec.bull.fr>
Subject: paper-foil-paper

>       There is a simple mouse in _The Complete Origami Course_ by
> Paul Jackson and one that is a little more complex but very cute in
> Yoshizawa's _Origami Museum I: Animals_ which is fun to fold with the
> laminated tissue-foil-tissue paper.  I have been trying to fold Yoshizawa's
> gorilla which is in the book and have failed miserably until I tried it
> with the tissue paper and aluminum foil trick.
>
> Nancy Nietupski

Laminated tissue-foil-tissue paper ? Is that a special technique ?
Can someone expose it ?

Thanks ! :-)

Marc

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    /     |_(_(_/ |_(_  | \_(_)_>_>_(_(_    (M.Kossa@frec.bull.fr)

Bull SA, BP 208, 1 rue de Provence, 38432 Echirolles CEDEX, France





Date: Tue, 15 Feb 94 14:55:43 AST
From: Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>
Subject: Re: paper-foil-paper

On Tue, 15 Feb 1994, Marc Kossa wrote:

> Laminated tissue-foil-tissue paper ? Is that a special technique ?
> Can someone expose it ?

This is officially called "tissue-foil". The technique is simple. Take a
sheet of aluminum foil larger than what you will want to fold and lay it
flat on your working surface. Spray on a coat of spray adhesive. I use an
adhesive made by 3M. It's basically a thin rubber cement in an aerosol can.
Starting at one end of the foil, lay down the tissue paper (artists'
tissue) and smooth it down onto the foil, making a tight, wrinkle-free
bond. Turn over and repeat on the other side. What you end up with is a
sheet of tissue foil that you can cut to size. It has the malleability of
foil, allowing it to be shaped, and the tensile strength of the tissue,
preventing tears. Note that you can now easily make two coloured paper of
any combination simply by using two different colours of tissue. You can also
use this technique to give "body" to soft and/or weak papers. Simply
laminate it onto foil. I've used this to strengthen such things as Japanese
unryu and thin wrapping paper. It is also useful for helping "reluctant"
papers to hold their shape (i.e. paper that is very springy and unwilling
to stay folded).





Date: Tue, 15 Feb 94 15:11:20 AST
From: makaala647@aol.com
Subject: Dollar Folding

Monica,
Find out if there is a magicians's Supply store near you, (Yellow pages under
magic). They
usually stock books and most stores have at least something on folding money.
I have a copy of "The magic of folding money" by Bill Caruba
Published by  D. Robbins & Co,.inc
70 Washington Street, Brooklyn NY 11201
This book contains pistols and rifles, a playboy bunny, and "pair of dice"
(flat), along horn steer and some other less memorable folds.
To let you know the level of the book, the author mispelled origami in the
forward.
but there are lots of others.

My favorite bill fold, I had to borrow and perform "origami Surgery" to see
how it was done
I was able to duplicate it but not document it,
It is a magicians top hat that you hold in one hand, and then suddenly a
rabbit appears in the
hat.
This is a flat fold, and for me very difficult, the brim of the hat was
murder. the rabbit folds up
in back and when you move your finger up he pops!
any one have the plans for this one? The one I copied was given to a friend
by a magician
at the magic castle, and i had to beg for days before he would let me unfold
it. but now he
has two so he is happy.
Has any one else ever tried to borrow a piece for surgery? (Really I won't
hurt it i'll just
unfold it alittle.) :)
I am still trying to find the instructions for the elves boot, I can fold it
I just cant write it down.

does anyone fold foreign money?
later
matt
Makaala647@AOL.com





Date: Tue, 15 Feb 94 15:43:36 AST
From: base00!jhc@codas.attmail.com
Subject: foldding money

matt ( Makaala647@AOL.com ) writes:
>To let you know the level of the book, the author mispelled origami in the
>forward.

And the reviewer misspelled "foreword" in the review.  :-)

>My favorite bill fold, I had to borrow and perform "origami Surgery" to see
>how it was done
>I was able to duplicate it but not document it,
>It is a magicians top hat that you hold in one hand, and then suddenly a
>rabbit appears in the hat.

Got it.  It's called something like "Bunny Bill" and is available from the
Friends' catalog for the paltry sum of about $3 U.S., and it even comes with
a bunch of play money.

>I am still trying to find the instructions for the elves boot, I can fold it
>I just cant write it down.

>From a bill?  I have an elf boot from a square, never thought about doing it
from a bill....I think it would work, although I haven't folded it in a long
time and my memory is fuzzy.

>does anyone fold foreign money?
I'm also interested in this.  We should publish a compedium of different bills
and their dimensions!

-- Javier

 + jhc@codas.attmail.com            +  AT&T                               +
 + Javier Cubero                    +  Orlando, Florida                   +





Date: Tue, 15 Feb 94 16:11:15 AST
From: SPARKER@U.WASHINGTON.EDU
Subject: Foreign money

Actually, a friend and I decided that a great souvenir from
each country was a frog from one of the bills.  I think we
ended up with one from each country we were in.  The bills
always seemed to be twice as long as they were wide, so it
worked great for the frog.

Sue
sparker@u.washington.edu





Date: Tue, 15 Feb 94 17:32:23 AST
From: Brian Ewins <gapv64@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Foreign money

Hi...
        ... this was discussed a while back, the best one
(I thought) from 'foreign' money (hey, dollars are foreign here!!)
was the one from (Dutch?Swedish? I dont recall) where there's
a goose on the note whose neck becomes a tie on an origami
shirt.
        I just realised, flicking through 'Step by Step Origami'
by Paul Jackson (I think that was the title) that I can fold his
pig with a pound note. This is really cute with 2x1 double
sided pink paper but, like, where can you buy _that_? I used
to fold it with cut up origami paper but I always feel bad
about doing that. Anyway, my house would now be full of
little green pigs...if I had any to spare :o(

cheers,
        Baz.





Date: Tue, 15 Feb 94 17:42:22 AST
From: Laurence.Biederman@um.cc.umich.edu
Subject: Ann Arbor Society for Origami

Here's the scoop:

The Ann Arbor Society for Origami, (AASO, pronounced Ah-SO!) meets
on the third Thursday of each month at Slauson Intermediate School
located near 8th st and W. Washington St. in beautiful Ann Arbor
Michigan.

The person to contact is Don Shall (313) 662-3394.

Note:  This month's meeting has been moved to the Public Library,
343 S. Fifth Ave.  That's Thursday, 2-15-94, this week!

The meeting time is 7:00.

Good Luck!!!

Thanks for the rat/mouse info everyone!

--Lar





Date: Tue, 15 Feb 94 21:03:58 AST
From: GURKEWITZ@WCSUB.CTSTATEU.EDU
Subject: Paul Jackson's Dollar Bill book

If you're looking for money folds, Paul Jackson published a bill book
called, I think, Folding Money. I don't know if it's still in print.
When I read about the Buck Book I was wondering whether it was a reprint
of Jackson's book.

Rona





Date: Tue, 15 Feb 94 21:28:20 AST
From: GURKEWITZ@WCSUB.CTSTATEU.EDU
Subject: RE: Dollar Folding

The magician's top hat with a rabbit that pops up from a dollar bill
is th "Bunny Bill" fold by Bob Neale. It's over 20 years old and I think
the Friends still sell it. I think it's published by the Magic Inc in
Chicago.





Date: Tue, 15 Feb 94 22:49:34 AST
From: SOYLENT GREEN <rhudson@yorkcol.edu>
Subject: RE: Dollar Folding

I've managed to diagram the "Bunny Bill" (for my own, educational purposes of
course), and I have some roughs available if copying is permissable.  "Bunny
Bill" is that rabbit that pops from the hat...





Date: Tue, 15 Feb 94 23:13:06 AST
From: SOYLENT GREEN <rhudson@yorkcol.edu>
Subject: RE: foldding money

The elves boot is fairly simple.. to diagram it in words would be difficult,
but it is done from a napkin in Alice Gray/Kunihiko Kasara's "Magic of Origami"
and can be easily adapted to a dollar bill..





Date: Thu, 17 Feb 94 14:13:51 AST
From: ethomas@polar.bowdoin.edu (Ed Thomas)
Subject: Evaluating Origami Projects

Hello everyone.

I have been enjoying the references and tips and thought
it was time to share.

Who am I:  Ed Thomas
What do I do: Teach geometry & computers at Brunswick High School, Maine

I recently purchased 'The New Origami' by Biddle.  It has some interesting
folds and projects that I have used in my class.

I would like any suggestions on how I might evaluate student origami projects.

I would also like to know more about the mathematics of origami so that
I can use this great manipulative to teach geometry.

Thanks for your help.  Ed.

ethomas @ polar.bowdoin.edu





Date: Thu, 17 Feb 94 22:35:55 AST
From: SOYLENT GREEN <rhudson@yorkcol.edu>
Subject: RE: Evaluating Origami Projects

Ed:,

I've bought the same book.. and most of that stuff's all right, however, I
wouldn't recommend trying that pyramid puzzle (the two-parter).. it never quite
locks right.





Date: Sun, 20 Feb 94 03:17:24 AST
From: gdscott@aol.com
Subject: origami paper source

I have been asked by a shopowner, to help locate a wholesale source or
distributor for origami papers.  She has recently become a folding enthusiast
and wishes to carry a selection for her every widening group of folders.

Can anyone point me in the right direction?

I found a selection of papers in a tiny shop in Tokyo town, LA.  But the only
English on the packages was a logo, GRIMM HOBBY.

Thank you for your help.

GDScott@AOL.com





Date: Sun, 20 Feb 94 08:14:32 AST
From: Agnes Tomorrow <atom@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: origami paper source

On Sun, 20 Feb 1994 gdscott@aol.com wrote:

> I have been asked by a shopowner, to help locate a wholesale source or
> distributor for origami papers.  She has recently become a folding enthusiast
> and wishes to carry a selection for her every widening group of folders.
>
> Can anyone point me in the right direction?
>
> I found a selection of papers in a tiny shop in Tokyo town, LA.  But the only
> English on the packages was a logo, GRIMM HOBBY.

        I can offer two suggestions--most of the paper I have has a
distributor named on the package--a company in South San Francisco--I'll
look it up when I get home and send it along tomorrow--Option 2 is to go
to the Japanese-American Museum in Little Tokyo (First St. and Central)
(I assume because you mention LA, that  that's where you are...) and ask
there--they have a modest assortment in their gift shop, and
could probably help.  Bun-ka-do has some, as does Kinokuniya--they might
also be able to refer to a distributor (although they might be more
reluctant to do so, as it would invite competition with their market...)

Agnes Tomorrow
atom@u.washington.edu





Date: Sun, 20 Feb 94 14:20:58 AST
From: Brian Ewins <gapv64@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: FAQ twice a month (110 lines or so)

Hi.
        Several people mentioned a FAQ on money dimensions,
there isn't one, but then, the FAQ just now is only supposed
to lead you to the archives. (not a criticism) Maybe we ought
to have more of a FAQ on origami stuff. This letter is a 1st
draft of what that might include. I'd like comments, please.
(particularly on suggestions for the books at the end. one
in each category only, this ain't no database)

        Baz.

PLEASE NOTE ON REPLYING:
Do NOT include the whole of this when sending back to the group.
It's too long for that. If you _do_ want to do so, send directly

ORIGAMI - the Art of Japanese Folding

This is the FAQ, a list with Frequently Asked Questions.
(Part 2!!)

Q1: Is there a text notation for origami models?
A1: The models on the archive are in postscript, which is
one of the most portable notations for _drawings_ (in general).
But this is also interesting:
"    It happens that a system has already been devised for
converting folding diagrams to a numerical notational
system, John Smith's Origami Instruction Language (OIL).
Smith, a British statistician and computer programmer,
uses a Cartesian coordinate system to locate points on
the square and identifies a crease by the two endpoints
it connects. The success of Smith's system ensures that
establishing a purely numerical representation for each
model is possible....       "
The reference is
Alice Gray, "OIL: John Smith's Origami Instruction language,"
The Origamian 13, no.2, (n.d.), p. 1.
(contrib:Angelo Trivelli, from Peter Engel's Folding the Universe)

Q2: What is the best paper for origami ?
A2: Special origami paper is available from most art shops,
but its best to experiment. Wrapping paper can be good (&cheap).
Tissue foil can be better for really difficult folds. If you find
a particular fold too hard with your fingers, try using tweezers
(purists - flame on!!)

Q3: What is 'foil' paper?
A3: This is officially called "tissue-foil". The technique is simple. Take a
sheet of aluminum foil larger than what you will want to fold and lay it
flat on your working surface. Spray on a coat of spray adhesive. I use an
adhesive made by 3M. It's basically a thin rubber cement in an aerosol can.
Starting at one end of the foil, lay down the tissue paper (artists'
tissue) and smooth it down onto the foil, making a tight, wrinkle-free
bond. Turn over and repeat on the other side. What you end up with is a
sheet of tissue foil that you can cut to size. It has the malleability of
foil, allowing it to be shaped, and the tensile strength of the tissue,
preventing tears. Note that you can now easily make two coloured paper of
any combination simply by using two different colours of tissue. You can also
use this technique to give "body" to soft and/or weak papers. Simply
laminate it onto foil. I've used this to strengthen such things as Japanese
unryu and thin wrapping paper. It is also useful for helping "reluctant"
papers to hold their shape (i.e. paper that is very springy and unwilling
to stay folded).
(contrib: Joseph Wu)

Q4: How do I get my fold to keep its shape ?
A4: Two ways - wet folding, or mylar. Mylar is a plastic, which
becomes soft enough to fold on heating. Wet folding is just
wetting the paper before you fold it. Not too wet tho'. If
it glistens, leave it to dry for a while.

Q5: Where can I find a fold for a .... ?
A5: There is a database of folds from books on the archive, provided
by V'ann Cornelius.

Q6: Tell me about money folds, daddy!
A6: There are lots of books on folding money (mainly US dollars.)
Here is a short list:

The dimensions of money internationally are (ratios unless stated):
US Dollar       All           7:3
UK Pound        All:      49:20 (i.e. nearly 2:1)
French Franc    20 Francs   ?
               50 Francs (new bill)  78 x 123 (mm)
              100 Francs     84 x 159 (mm)
              200 Francs     92 x 172 (mm)
              500 Francs     ?

Q7: What's your favoutite fold ?
A7: 8 out of 10 cats prefer Kawasaki's rose, from 'Origami for
the Connoisseur' by Kunihiko Kasahara. Pretty, but simple.
Other 'Classics':
Working Cuckoo clock by Robert Lang in The Complete Book of Origami
Grand Piano by ??? Crawford
Lobster by John Montroll, Animal Origami for the Enthusiast.

Q8:What's the best book for ... ?
Beginners:
Beginner/Intermediate:
Intermediate/Hard:
        Origami For the Connoisseur by Kasahara.
Mathematics:
        Folding The Universe (origami from angelfish to zen) by Peter Engel.
Good Compilation:
        Origami Omnibus by Kunihiko Kasahara
Something I'll _never_ be able to do:

Fuller details of all books (ISBN,etc) can be found on the library search
service at the Library of Congress. telnet:locis.loc.gov
during working hours, 9-5 EST. (tn3270 or line mode, for those in the know).
The call number for papercraft is tt870, use this to cut down your search time.
The list is of about 600 books, all languages, and is _incomplete_!!





Date: Mon, 21 Feb 94 11:17:20 AST
From: Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>
Subject: Re: origami paper source

On Sun, 20 Feb 1994 gdscott@aol.com wrote:

> I have been asked by a shopowner, to help locate a wholesale source or
> distributor for origami papers.  She has recently become a folding enthusiast
> and wishes to carry a selection for her every widening group of folders.
>
> Can anyone point me in the right direction?
>
> I found a selection of papers in a tiny shop in Tokyo town, LA.  But the only
> English on the packages was a logo, GRIMM HOBBY.
>
> Thank you for your help.

The company in San Francisco (the one that Agnes refers to) is called
Kotobuki. They will send out a catalog to anyone who wishes to distribute
their papers. I don't know about their policy for corporate clients, but
anyone can order paper from them on a one-time basis as long as the order
is US$200 or more. I know of two different individuals who have done this,
Phillip Yee in Seattle and Ramsay "RC" Cowlishaw in Oregon.

Grimmhobby is a Japanese company, and I believe their paper must be
ordered directly from Japan.

Another source is the Japanese Paper Place in Toronto. I can find out
their address for you...in a few days. Unless, of course, someone provides
it first.





Date: Mon, 21 Feb 94 11:29:47 AST
From: base00!jhc@codas.attmail.com
Subject: FAQ

>Q4: How do I get my fold to keep its shape ?

I would add preserving techniques to this.  Included are:
1) Adding a little white glue to the water when wet-folding.
2) Spray-on acrylic coat.
3) Brushing-on clear nail-polish, shellac, etc.

BTW, great job on the FAQ!  I agree 100% with what you've got in there.

-- Javier

 + jhc@codas.attmail.com            +  AT&T                               +
 + Javier Cubero                    +  Orlando, Florida                   +





Date: Mon, 21 Feb 94 16:26:09 AST
From: Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>
Subject: Re: FAQ

On Mon, 21 Feb 1994 base00!jhc@codas.attmail.com wrote:

> >Q4: How do I get my fold to keep its shape ?
>
> I would add preserving techniques to this.  Included are:
> 1) Adding a little white glue to the water when wet-folding.
> 2) Spray-on acrylic coat.
> 3) Brushing-on clear nail-polish, shellac, etc.

Note, however, that doing (2) or (3) will result in the paper soaking up
some of the applied material which will cause the creases to expand
(unfold) somewhat if you are not careful. In fact, for a model with many
delicate creases (such as pleating), (3) will work better than (2) and it
should be done in small sections.

>
> BTW, great job on the FAQ!  I agree 100% with what you've got in there.

Ditto on the great job.





Date: Tue, 22 Feb 94 16:59:47 AST
From: SPARKER@U.WASHINGTON.EDU
Subject: Re: origami paper source

I've written to Kotobuki before and asked about ordering paper.  They
just wanted a copy of your business license so that they know for sure
you're in business.  They had a quite a selection of paper and will
send out the price list to anyone (at least they would several years
ago.)

Sue
sparker@u.washington.edu





Date: Tue, 22 Feb 94 17:24:40 AST
From: Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>
Subject: Re: origami paper source

On Tue, 22 Feb 1994 SPARKER@U.WASHINGTON.EDU wrote:

> I've written to Kotobuki before and asked about ordering paper.  They
> just wanted a copy of your business license so that they know for sure
> you're in business.  They had a quite a selection of paper and will
> send out the price list to anyone (at least they would several years
> ago.)

Another person at UWash! Do you know Agnes, then? Anyway, I hereby extend
to you an official invitation to visit/join our Vancouver-based origami
club. We already have someone from Seattle (Phillip Yee) who makes a
monthly trip up here. Our next meeting is this coming Saturday. I'll send
you details and/or put you in touch with Phillip if you are interested.





Date: Wed, 23 Feb 94 04:21:55 AST
From: gdscott@aol.com
Subject: Re: origami paper source

>I've written to Kotobuki before and asked about ordering paper.  They
>just wanted a copy of your business license so that they know for sure
>you're in business.  They had a quite a selection of paper and will
>send out the price list to anyone (at least they would several years
>ago.)

Do you happen to still have the KOTOBUKI address?  It would help in
establishing what is needed  for a minimum order.





Date: Wed, 23 Feb 94 09:22:52 AST
From: tjj@rolf.helsinki.fi (Timo Jokitalo)
Subject: Origami books

After several weeks of queueing, I finally got to borrow some books from the
library: Kasahara's Omnibus and Creative Origami, and a book by (?) Paul
Jackson. I must say that the Omnibus is indeed the best origami
book I've seen so far. The first thing I did was to fold the Llama and
the Beagle from it. Jackson's book had a lovely Bugatti by an
Englishman, and I also liked the hyperbolic parabolae a lot. Whee! I'm still
queueing for Kenneway's Complete Origami - unfortunately the libraries around
here know nothing of Montroll, but there's a lot of folding in these books
already!

        Timo





Date: Wed, 23 Feb 94 10:56:16 AST
From: Brian Ewins <gapv64@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: FAQ

Hi !
        Thanks for the replies so far, they've been both helpful and
encouraging.  It occured to me, however, that this ain't no newsgroup -
people can't dip in without signing on first.  This means that there's not
actually a lot of point to flashing up a FAQ every two weeks, everyone who
can see it shouldve seen it before.  It'd be more appropriate to send this
out directly to newbies, once only.  I'll check with Daniel to see if this
can be done, & if so, a final version of the FAQ will be posted (once !) to
this group in a couple of weeks.  This also means I dont have to worry too
much about how long it gets, & you dont have to read it all the time ... 

Joe - I got your book suggestions.  Step by Step (by Jackson) was actually
the first book I bought, but I have to say I didn't like it ! The diagrams
are nice & clear, but theres a lot of cutting, odd shaped paper, & unusually
coloured paper used ...  his Elephant is real cute though. 

Baz.





Date: Wed, 23 Feb 94 11:43:36 AST
From: Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>
Subject: Re: FAQ

On Wed, 23 Feb 1994, Brian Ewins wrote:

> Joe - I got your book suggestions. Step by Step
> (by Jackson) was actually the first book I bought,
> but I have to say I didn't like it ! The diagrams
> are nice & clear, but theres a lot of cutting,
> odd shaped paper, & unusually coloured paper
> used ... his Elephant is real cute though.

Actually, that was "Step by Step Origami" by Steve and Megumi Biddle.
That's the title here in Canada (and, I assume, in the UK). In the US, the
title is "Essential Origami". The Jackson book that I recommended was "The
Complete Origami Course".





Date: Wed, 23 Feb 94 12:30:03 AST
From: Brian Ewins <gapv64@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: Re:Jackson book (was Re: FAQ)

Whoops! sorry Joe, my mistake. _I_ meant Step by Step
Origami by Jackson tho'...
        ... confusing, isnt it.

               Baz.





Date: Wed, 23 Feb 94 18:45:15 AST
From: Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>
Subject: Re: snail figure

On Wed, 23 Feb 1994 REAJONES@ucs.indiana.edu wrote:

> Does anyone know of a book which has instructions for making a snail?  Some
> friends of mine have a book which gives directions for making a very nice-
> looking snail, but the instructions are in Japanese and the illustrations are
> not very helpful.  The shell of the snail looked like it had been inflated in
> the final illustration.

Sounds like the traditional snail folded from a frog base. I believe that
you'll find it in Steve & Megumi Biddle's "Step-by-step Origami" which is
known as "Essential Origami" in the USA.





Date: Fri, 25 Feb 94 10:43:16 AST
From: tjj@rolf.helsinki.fi (Timo Jokitalo)
Subject: Virtual paper

Today in the library I saw an article which might interest the folks here.
Not origami as such, but in the newest issue (or at least the newest one
they had) of IEEE Computer Graphics and Applications there was an article
about a mathematical model for paper, which was supposed to bend and crease
realistically. The authors were Japanese. I'm sorry I don't have more info -
I only realised after returning that I should tell the list too. In case you
can't find it (or if I have misremembered the journal) I can look it up
again after a week.

        Timo





Date: Fri, 25 Feb 94 11:42:58 AST
From: r.follmer@genie.geis.com
Subject: Re: origami paper source

Hi!:

Kotobuki Trading Co., Inc
 320 Victory Ave
 S. San Francisco CA 94080

(415)588-8593

Send them a letter on your letterhead.  Minimum order $300

Hope this helps

Bob





Date: Fri, 25 Feb 94 13:04:45 AST
From: Brian Ewins <gapv64@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Eagle Diagrams

Hi,
        Nice one Joe ! I just made one of your
eagles, it sure puts mine to shame. I'd rate it
intermediate -there's no real fiddly bits & you
can see where you're going after only a few folds.
The diagrams are really nice - how did you do them ?

        Cheers,
               Baz.





Date: Fri, 25 Feb 94 13:25:15 AST
From: "H." "T." GOODWILL <htgood01@msuacad.morehead-st.edu>
Subject: Re: Eagle Diagrams

>
> Hi,
>       Nice one Joe ! I just made one of your
> eagles, it sure puts mine to shame. I'd rate it
> intermediate -there's no real fiddly bits & you
> can see where you're going after only a few folds.
> The diagrams are really nice - how did you do them ?
>
>       Cheers,
>            Baz.
>

Some reason I didn't get the eagle diagrams.  Could someone forward them to me?
Thanks.
tim goodwill
htgood01@msuacad.morehead-st.edu





Date: Fri, 25 Feb 94 17:28:05 AST
From: Brian Ewins <gapv64@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Eagle Diagrams

| >
|
| Some reason I didn't get the eagle diagrams.  Could someone forward them to
| me?
| Thanks.
| tim goodwill
| htgood01@msuacad.morehead-st.edu
|
Diagrams aren't sent to the group because they're too big.
... the ones referred to here were PS files of about 80K
each & some mailers won't take more than 10K chunks.
The files are available from the archive;
ftp risc1.rug.nl
login:anonymous
password:<your e-mail address>
... etc. See the FAQ for more, also on how to get files by mail
if that's all you have.

Cheers,
               Baz.





Date: Sat, 26 Feb 94 22:05:12 AST
From: "Chung H. Shum" <cshum@hsc.usc.edu>
Subject: Hello there...

Just like to say hi to everyone there since I'm new to the list... actually,
I was on the list about 9 months ago complaining about how Engel's reindeer
is impossible, but I eventually got it to work.

I just got my FOCA number too, so hopefully I'll pick up a few more books one
of these days.

Has anyone ever folded Lang's cuckoo clock?  I don't have sufficiently large
1:7 paper lying around the house all the time...

Chung





Date: Sun, 27 Feb 94 08:19:19 AST
From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@dorsai.dorsai.org>
Subject: Lang's clock

>
> Has anyone ever folded Lang's cuckoo clock?  I don't have sufficiently large
> 1:7 paper lying around the house all the time...
>
> Chung
>

I'm in the midst of doing the clock now. Wrapping paper can be cut to the
proper dimensions. I am using a wrapping paper that is foil on one side and
white on the other. It folds beautifully.





Date: Sun, 27 Feb 94 09:07:00 AST
From: ab682@leo.nmc.edu (Nancy Nietupski)
Subject: Re: paper-foil-paper

        I'd like to add one more comment on how to make tissue-foil
paper that I found in _Origami from A to Z_ (I believe that is the
title).  It is rather difficult to get the tissue paper to lay on
the glued aluminum foil smoothly especially if the sheet of tissue
is large.  The book suggested that you roll the tissue paper on to
a cardboard tube first, allowing you to roll the paper smoothly
on to the glued surface.  I found this to b very helpful.

Nancy

>
>On Tue, 15 Feb 1994, Marc Kossa wrote:
>
>> Laminated tissue-foil-tissue paper ? Is that a special technique ?
>> Can someone expose it ?
>
>This is officially called "tissue-foil". The technique is simple. Take a
>sheet of aluminum foil larger than what you will want to fold and lay it
>flat on your working surface. Spray on a coat of spray adhesive. I use an
>adhesive made by 3M. It's basically a thin rubber cement in an aerosol can.
>Starting at one end of the foil, lay down the tissue paper (artists'
>tissue) and smooth it down onto the foil, making a tight, wrinkle-free
>bond. Turn over and repeat on the other side. What you end up with is a
>sheet of tissue foil that you can cut to size. It has the malleability of
>foil, allowing it to be shaped, and the tensile strength of the tissue,
>preventing tears. Note that you can now easily make two coloured paper of
>any combination simply by using two different colours of tissue. You can also
>use this technique to give "body" to soft and/or weak papers. Simply
>laminate it onto foil. I've used this to strengthen such things as Japanese
>unryu and thin wrapping paper. It is also useful for helping "reluctant"
>papers to hold their shape (i.e. paper that is very springy and unwilling
>to stay folded).
>
>
>
>
>

Nancy Nietupski
ab682@leo.nmc.edu





Date: Sun, 27 Feb 94 12:23:30 AST
From: gdscott@aol.com
Subject: Re: origami paper source

>I've been asked by a shopowner, to help locate a wholesale source or
distributor or origami papers.

Thank you all for your quick response.  This is my first experience with a
list and the impact it can have on information.

Special thanks to Bob for the address, phone of Kotobuki Trading in  S.F. and
all those who wrote back information...Agnes and Sue.

Glenda Scott
GDScott@AOL.com





Date: Mon, 28 Feb 94 09:43:17 AST
From: "M.J.van.Gelder" <M.J.van.Gelder@rc.rug.nl>
Subject: Cuckoo clock

Chung,

m>Has anyone ever folded Lang's cuckoo clock?  I don't have sufficiently large
m>1:7 paper lying around the house all the time...

I didn't, but my son has done it. The paper he used was 3.5 meter long and 70
centimeter wide. It was the paper he used to cover his schoolbooks with...
It was very difficult to handle because of the great length.
The clock is very nice!

Maarten van Gelder                   M.J.van.Gelder@RC.RUG.NL
Lichtboei 210                        Rekencentrum Rijksuniversiteit RuG
9732 JK  Groningen                   Groningen
Holland                              Holland





Date: Mon, 28 Feb 94 10:59:14 AST
From: John_Morin@transarc.com
Subject: Re: Cuckoo clock paper

Hello all:

I have not tried the clock but a folding colleague of mine had. He made
it out of florist paper which can be found in most florist shops (they
wrap plants in the stuff). It is green on one side, gold on the other,
and has some foil in it. It also has a thin layer of plastic. The design
on the paper is very pretty too and made a wonderful finished Cuckoo
clock.

I stopped by a florist shop and picked up a square of it (it comes about
17 inches wide and is from a roll so the length can be anything you
want). You will need to cut it for right angle corners. The florist said
she had no idea what to charge me and gave it to me free (very kind). I
must stop by with a finished origami piece and give it to her in thanks.

        - John Morin.
          Morin@Transarc.com





Date: Mon, 28 Feb 94 16:22:51 AST
From: Brian Ewins <gapv64@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: Squaring the circle

Hi!
        I was wondering... you can trisect an angle by origami,
and I see (from intro of Origami for the Connoisseur) that you
can also 'duplicate the cube' (involves constructing cube
root of 2). The third 'famous problem of antiquity' was to
square the circle, (all three had to be done with unmarked
straight edge & compasses). The question is: can this be done
also ?
        At  a guess, I'd say no. The other two problems both
boil down to cubic equations, whereas in this one you must
make two lengths in the ratio pi:1 or root pi:1 ... and pi
is transcendental. I don't know for sure tho', I havent
thought about this too hard. Does anyone out there know?

        Baz.

ObFold: fold a square along one diagonal. With the right
angle at the top, fold the two acute angles in so that their
top edge is parallel to the first fold. finally, fold one
half of the right angle behind, and one in front into the
flaps (this is all obvious when you see it) you now have
a cup, in which you can boil water (!) without burning the
paper.
... be careful tho'.





Date: Mon, 28 Feb 94 18:16:55 AST
From: SOYLENT GREEN <rhudson@yorkcol.edu>
Subject: Re: Cuckoo clock paper

The York PAperfolders, when we were still around, attempted the cuckoo clock
for around 5 consecutive months... and would have nearly got around to
finishing it had the paper not vanished.





Date: Tue, 1 Mar 94 00:57:45 AST
From: "Chung H. Shum" <cshum@hsc.usc.edu>
Subject: cuckoo clock

Well, I guess it's too late to take advantage of after-Christmas gift-wrap
sales... looks like I'll have to pay full price to make this clock.  But hey,
gotta feed my addiction somehow while I wait for my copy of Viva Origami.

Chung





Date: Thu, 3 Mar 94 19:19:55 AST
From: Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>
Subject: Re: diagramming program

On Thu, 3 Mar 1994 samreye@aol.com wrote:

> I am looking for some type of program compatible with an IBM PC that would
> allow the user to compose origami diagrams.

I'm personally using CorelDRAW! version 3.0. There are, of course, other
programs that will do the job. Here's a partial list (off the top of my
head).

Windows:
  CorelDRAW! 2.0 or 3.0 or 4.0 (great!)
  Harvard Draw (good)
  Micrografx Designer (good)
  Micrografx Draw (intermediate)
  Microsoft Draw (primitive)
  VISIO (intermediate)

  The above programs are all basically Postscript drawing programs.

DOS:
  Various CAD packages such as Generic CAD, VersaCAD, AutoCAD (overkill!)
  will do the job.

  ORIDRAW - Maarten's program that takes in a coded description of the
  diagrams and creates the diagrams from it. Can be found on the FTP site.

  I believe that there are some DOS-based Postscript drawing programs as
  well, but I don't know any names.

Hope this helps!





Date: Fri, 04 Mar 1994 01:07:08 -0400 (AST)
From: r.follmer@genie.geis.COM
Subject: Re: diagramming program

There was some discussion here recently regarding a coating used on the
minature paper jewelery items that some use to sell.

I ran across a topic here on Genie concerning paper jewelery.  In it mention
was made concerning a product called ENVIRO-TEX.  Available at various craft
shops all over the country.  It is a 2 part casting resin and hardner.  The
people just brush it on the finished product.  If this is what is being
asked for, great, if not, then I will keep my eye peeled for more
information.

Have a fun foldin' time

Bob





Date: Fri, 4 Mar 94 08:44:26 AST
From: Brian Ewins <gapv64@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: diagramming program (ftp)

Hi,
        There was a piece in the FAQ about this, but also, I noticed a new
drawing program for windows appeared this week at CICA (ftp.cica.indiana.edu)
called topdraw.  Its in /pub/pc/win3/uploads/topdr10a.zip (and topdr10b.zip). 
This is a pretty nifty program, and there are a couple of features that make
it ideal for origami:

* you can rotate polygons to any angle
* you can create a palette of shapes
* you can break polygons & rejoin them

Unfortunately, its shareware & runs out after 60 days.
I think this prog actually disables itself after this time (!)
and its about $40 to register. Worth trying anyway.

        Baz





Date: Sat, 5 Mar 94 04:41:26 AST
From: lcasey@koko.csustan.edu (Linda Casey)
Subject: Old-Fashioned Mat

In Kunihiko Kasahara's book ORIGAMI OMNIBUS, on page 61, in the upper right-
hand corner, there is a picture of an OLD-FASHIONED MAT.  He mentions that the
pattern is not included in his book because it is a beginner's pattern in many
origami books.  I have searched everywhere for this pattern with no luck.  The
mat is circular with a zigzag edge.  Does anyone know where I might find this
pattern?  If anyone has it I'd be glad to send SASE and copy money.

Thanks a bunch!

Linda L. Casey
Modesto, CA
Math Teacher
Origami Lover





Date: Sat, 5 Mar 94 14:01:56 AST
From: lcasey@koko.csustan.edu (Linda Casey)
Subject: Hi, I'm new

Hi everyone!

I'm Linda Casey and new to the origami mail server.  I am crazy about origami.
My main interest is geometric origami rather than animals but I'm facinated by
both.  I teach high school math in Modesto, CA and I use origami a lot for
thinking skills and geometry concepts.  I have Tomoko Fuse's Unit Origami and
I have sent to Japan for 7 of her books in Japanese (No I don't read Japanese,
but the symbols are enough).  I make a lot of boxes to decorate my house and
for gifts.  The kids (all 183) and I made Tomoko Fuse's Triangle Box (two
for top and bottom) at Christmas time for gifts and the put Hershey's Kisses
in them.  The project went well.

I'd like to hear from all of you out there.  I want to join an origami
unanswered.  I have a lot of books and am always searching.  Japan
Publications is just great!  I'd be glad to trade patterns (yes, I'm a
reliable soul).  I even made up my own stella octangula origami pattern
although I'm sure it's been done before (it's an 8 pointed three-
dimentional star).  I did it with one of my classes and I have a
work sheet that goes with it.

So, I'd love to hear from everyone.  If you are an educator I have lots of
ideas to use origami for all subjects (not just math).

Happy folding!  Greetings from sunny CA!
Take Care!

Linda Casey
Math Teacher
Modesto, CA (That's in the center of the state near all the farms, two hours
from SanFrancisco, Yosemite, Monterey, and Sacramento)





Date: Sun, 6 Mar 94 18:13:39 AST
From: AK1652@ARK.SHIP.EDU
Subject: Re: Hi, I'm new

Hi!  I was thinking about doing a presentation on origami
for one of my  classes.  Is the easiest folding technique to teach
the swan?  I would gladly like to hear anyone's opinion.
Thanks a lot.
- Amy Kelley
-ak1652@ark.ship.edu





Date: Sun, 6 Mar 94 19:00:12 AST
From: SOYLENT GREEN <rhudson@yorkcol.edu>
Subject: Re: Hi, I'm new

Amy: I've taught a few classes, in fact, I was actually paid to teach one.  I
used to volunteer at a local hospital, and teach patients with head trauma and
other disabilities how to fold.  I usually started with a cup, a simple
eight-fold grasshopper, a swan, and then I'd finish with a magazine cover box
(it's a simple model) usually made from xerox paper, for them to carry their
stuff back to their rooms.  That routine was fairly basic, and introduced
valley, mountain, reverse folds in brief.  If you'd like more info, just leave
me mail back to:
RHUDSON@YORKCOL.EDU
Rob Hudson..





Date: Mon, 7 Mar 94 00:31:10 AST
From: lcasey@koko.csustan.edu (Linda Casey)
Subject: Re: Hi, I'm new

Hi Amy,
I don't think the swan is very easy.  I found from my experience with my high
school kids is to do things they can use like boxes, the balloon, and then the
swan after they have had some experience.  They like the idea of boxes because
they can put things like candy and give them as a gift.  It would depend on the
age, level, and thinking skills of your kids.  Mine are low level freshman and
they would rather not have to think.  I make overhead of the folding steps and
give out instructions and stand in the room and demonstrate and help at the
same time.  This way all types of learners are reached.  I would start with the
balloon and let them bat it around the room and then go to a good box with a
lid and then the swan.  Hope this helps.

See Ya Later!
Happy folding!
Linda Casey





Date: Mon, 7 Mar 94 00:36:19 AST
From: lcasey@koko.csustan.edu (Linda Casey)
Subject: Re: Hi, I'm new

Hi Rob,
What's a magazine cover box?  Sounds like a good pattern.
Linda Casey





Date: Mon, 7 Mar 94 02:57:07 AST
From: Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>
Subject: Re: Hi, I'm new

On Mon, 7 Mar 1994, Linda Casey wrote:

> I don't think the swan is very easy.

Linda, I beg to differ. Paul Jackson, in _The_Complete_Origami_Course_,
has a very simple swan that kids really enjoy. He also has a simple bird
that is vaguely swan-like in _Classic_Origami_. Both utilize the kite base
and the method of doing outside reverse folds by swivelling valley folds
into place (you'll have to see the books to know what I mean). They are
quick and easy and very satisfying for beginners to do.





Date: Mon, 7 Mar 94 04:38:07 AST
From: lcasey@koko.csustan.edu (Linda Casey)
Subject: Re: Hi, I'm new

Thanks Joseph.
The only swan I am familiar with is the traditional one.  I'll look for this
simple one.

Happy folding.
Linda Casey





Date: Mon, 7 Mar 94 10:57:36 AST
From: SOYLENT GREEN <rhudson@yorkcol.edu>
Subject: Re: Hi, I'm new

Linda:

        I'd definitely consider the balloon a harder subject to teach than the
swan.  Of course, the swan I'm talking about is the kite fold swan, in which
the reverse folds are created by mountains and valleys and "pulling" the neck
and head up rather than true reverses.  I usually have a difficult time
explaining the tuck steps on the balloon, and the students wind up having flaps
that fly apart when the model is inflated.





Date: Mon, 7 Mar 94 11:07:55 AST
From: SOYLENT GREEN <rhudson@yorkcol.edu>
Subject: Re: Hi, I'm new

Well, I'll explain it in brief, and if you want further instructions, e-mail me
directly.  The magazine cover box is actually just made from any rectangle, but
it looks better made from, say, a magazine cover!  To fold it, you crease the
rectangle (8.5x11) lengthwise, cupboard door fold the sides in, then unfold.
You then crease the model in half short-ways (widthwise, I suppose), then fold
those sides into the center.  Now, you have those creases from the lengthwise
cupboard door fold.. you fold the corners of the model in, JUST TO THOSE
CREASES.  You wind up with an eight-sided model.. not a regular octagon, of
course.  At this point, you fold the center raw edges back over the corners on
either side.  now, when you grasp the two center folded edges, and pull, it
should form a box.

Good luck!

Rob





Date: Mon, 7 Mar 94 11:37:32 AST
From: AK1652@ARK.SHIP.EDU
Subject: Re: Hi, I'm new

Hi, Linda!
I haven't had that much experience w/ origami, but I really think it's
interesting.  I have studied the Japanese language for 1 1/2 yrs.  I am
currently a college student and I am still taking Japanese.  I find the
Japanese language to be very interesting.  Last year, a foreign exchange
student taught our class how to fold.  We made swans and flowers, but our
teacher kept them.  I

was going to try to travel back to the city that
my family lives in and try to talk to my previous Japanese instructor.  I'm
sure she kept all of the origami and could help me out, but it is difficult
for me to leave school now.  Also, I am going to speak to my Japanes professor
here on campus to see if she has any suggestions.  I thank you for your
suggestions! T

hey will help me out as I prepare for my presentation.
See ya later,
        Amy
