




Date: Fri, 8 Oct 93 12:14:27 ADT
From: ab682@leo.nmc.edu (Nancy Nietupski)
Subject: Re: Organizing new group

        On Oct 10th John Morin wrote me a note about his experience
at organizing and running an origami group.  I though his comments
might also be of use to others.

Nancy
ab682@leo.nmc.edu
>
>Hello Nancy:
>
>A friend and I have just started an origami group in the Pittsburgh
>area. I will tell you my experiences with it. It's long.
>
>(1) We were lucky in that the source of people for membership into our
>new origami group is plentiful. There exists an origami group in
>Pittsburgh already, "Pittsburgh Origami Club", and we advertised at
>their meetings (via announcement). We were actually working close with
>them as indicated by our group name: "Pittsburgh Origami Club -
>University Chapter".
>
>We didn't pull too many people from the existing origami club (it was
>not our intention to pull people away; and our meetings are on different
>dates). Instead we concentrated on the two universities in the area:
>Carnegie Mellon (CMU) and University of Pittsburgh (UPitt). Though I am
>not a student, my co-founder is.
>
>CMU had an activities fair and we got close to 50 people to sign up.
>Also, almost everyone had an e-mail id so reminders were easy to send
>out. This past week, we had our 5th class (2nd on campus) and we had
>about 6 people there the whole time with a number of walk-ins. The
>meeting lasts 3 hours (from 7 to 10). We anticipated the walk-ins but
>hoped for more people. We're still working on the attendance size.
>
>For more publicity on campus, we also hung up signs of the upcoming
>meeting around both campus'. My co-founder,  Tan,  did a great job by
>making a crane and putting it on the sheets. Unfortunately, most of the
>fliers were stolen (probably because of just that). But it brought an
>extra two people to the meeting.
>
>We don't limit the membership to university students, but that is our
>main drive for membership. We hope to expand further into the community
>as time goes, but I am not going to bite off too much too early.
>
>We don't have young kids (less than 12 years old).  So difficulties that
>can arise from that aren't there. We have thought about policies for
>young kids. Though, we are not going to exclude them (or anyone for that
>matter). The OCP does simple folds  where as our group is going to push
>for the harder pieces.
>
>(2) Being affiliated with the university gave us a quick, free, meeting
>room. Especially when 40 people showed interest in the group during the
>activities fair (the most of all the campus organizations). All this
>took about 3 months to accomplish. The first 3 meetings were held in my
>house as we worked on posters and plans for the activities fair. Mostly
>organizing but some fun folding too.
>
>I was pushing really hard for a campus room. With two young kids of my
>own, having meetings in my house could get cramped and busy and just
>difficult. Especially when our goal was to get student members and grow.
>I don't want 15 students in my house.
>
>We now have a campus room and meet twice a week. So far, we've had two
>meetings on the CMU campus (I missed the first one).
>
>(3) I teach the origami pieces. Even though I personally like complex
>pieces, I teach low intermediate pieces. I try to pick a piece that is
>not popular or easily found. The 'Friends' convention books are great in
>this regard. It seems everyone has a Montroll or Lang book so picking
>pieces from there will likely create a response of "I've made that one
>before" and they go off to to do something else.
>
>My primary goal when teaching is to have fun. And I think we did this
>past meeting. While teaching, I'm concentrating on bases and folding
>terminology so teaching will become easier (for myself and others) as we
>progress through the year. This past class' theme was birds by Ligia
>Montoya. Each started with a fish base (so they all learned that base)
>and the class now knows inside/outside reverse folding as well as squash
>folds to perfection.
>
>Before the class, I made each piece twice and thought a lot about how to
>teach the piece. I changed the orders of some folds, added more folds,
>etc as I saw fit to make the piece go easier for newtimers. Plus,
>holding up a piece and saying, "We're going to make this" was very nice
>for the student. Too often, I've taught something that they haven't seen
>the finished piece and they get dimensions wrong or sloppy too early to
>make the finished piece look nice. Each new piece was a little harder
>then the one before it. Each new one was built on the previous one;  so
>basics were reinforced as well as new folds leaned.
>
>Obviously we have a teacher (myself) and we all sat in a circle (small
>desks). I like teaching the small group for it quickly became a
>close-nit group. As we grow, I think we will break into more teachers
>and thus have many groups of 6-10 folders each. We don't talk business
>or organization at the group (we fold). We joke a lot. No dues (since
>we're so new). It's a bring your own paper policy but I'm pretty free
>with my paper and am not worried about it (for now).  [One guy was using
>notebook paper at the last class]
>
>No elections. The cofounder and I are the presidents of the club. If we
>need help, we ask and choose from the members based mostly on their
>enthusiasm. Again, our goal is to grow and stay alive. Can't get too
>many formalities yet.
>
>To keep the students returning, I think I will ask them to create a
>piece for the next class and hand diagram it. Since we did fish-bases, I
>will ask them to create their own piece starting with a fish base
>(complexity or simplicity of the model or what it is, is not an issue).
>With each diagram, I will make copies and redistribute them at the next
>class. Those who made a piece will get it back with a copy of all the
>others. I will make a few extra copies for those who didn't make a piece
>but they will be given on a first-come basis. Gradually, a book of new
>original pieces will be created. The benefits of this for the group and
>for the individual folder are great. I hope it works.
>
>(4) Right now folding is shared between my co-founder and I. I teach one
>class, then he does. I go for a theme (I did Ligia Montoya's birds).
>Each started with the fish base. I like the single artist for it gave a
>flavor of how Montoya works with paper (I even surprised myself). Some
>asked for dragons for the next class so I may look for dragons in my
>convention books.
>
>As we grow and need more help, then we will ask for it. If someone wants
>to try teaching, they won't be turned away. Very informal as I like it.
>
>(5) The CMU art store has origami paper and the cheapest I've seen
>anywhere. Plus there is regular notebook paper (as by that one folder in
>the class). Almost every art store or book store in the city has paper
>too. We are very lucky in this regard too.
>
>(OTHER)
>Last of all, While in the very beginning of the organization efforts, I
>had the pleasure of meeting Michael Shall (former pres of the 'Friends')
>and had lunch with him. I told him about our efforts of starting an
>origami group. I showed optimism about having it succeed. Well, he had
>no doubt it would succeed. That was a wonderful boost for me. I now
>believe this is true for all those wishing to start their own group.
>
>Now that our group is finally underway, the options are limitless. There
>are, at last count, 3 public origami trees in Pittsburgh this holiday
>season. Lots of places are looking for art to display on their walls.
>There is an art gallery associated with CMU and is desperately looking
>for ideas. I've had the 21 piece origami Tyranasouras Rex (darn, I
>forget the creator now) displayed at the Carnage Museum of Natural
>History [ok, ok, so it was in the bookstore and was there to push the
>sale of the book].  But one step at a time. These mountains are too
>large to try climbing right now with our current team; I don't want to
>lose the newly started origami club to an avalanche.
>
>Hope this helps. If any more questions, just ask. I don't see how you can fail.
>
>       - John Morin.
>         Morin@Transarc.com
>
>If you want to post this to the origami-list, you may. I don't easily
>have direct access to the list.
>
>





Date: Fri, 8 Oct 93 12:47:19 ADT
From: lau@desci.wharton.upenn.edu (Yan K. Lau)
Subject: Re: Preliminary fold, minor correction.

One minor correction:
> mountain fold but for some reason I like flipping the paper.)  Then, I fold
> the square in half (into rectangles) with two mountain folds.  With the
                                                ^^^^^^^^
                                   should be:   valley folds.

Yan.





Date: Fri, 8 Oct 93 13:49:19 ADT
From: Comet <COMET@us.oracle.com>
Subject: Re: Preliminary fold

     ^      Nancy wrote:
    /:\        And this is just an aside,  I've seen three different methods of
   / : \    folding the preliminary base and wonder if anyone out there thinks?
  /\ : /\   that one is better than the other.  Is it just personal preference?
 /  \:/  \  ~~~~~~~~                                              ____________
<- - * - -> I respond:  It is more than "just" personal          /\  _________\
 \  /:\  /  preference.  If you unfold the paper fully after     \ \ \______  /
  \/ : \/   each time you fold the paper in half, then you will   \ \ \Bi/ / /
   \ : /    have the most accurate preliminary base, since there   \ \ \/ / /
    \:/     will be NO thicknesses of paper inside, nor any         \ \/ / /
     v      creases reversed.  This is most important when working   \  / /
            very thick paper.  :-)                <comet@oracle.com>  \/_/





Date: Fri, 8 Oct 93 14:23:42 ADT
From: Comet <COMET@us.oracle.com>
Subject: Re: Organizing a new group

1.  Is there such thing as too large of a group?

    Groups should be small enough so that everyone can easily see the
    teacher's model, while s/he folds it.  Also, the group must be small
    enough to clearly hear and understand the teacher's verbal instructions.

2.  How do the different skill level of the members effect what is taught?

    Within a group, the model taught must be accessible to the lower third.
    The model must also be interesting to the upper third of the members.
    If the instructor cannot find models fitting both these criteria, than
    the group should be split.

3.  Is the group generally made up of both children and adults?  Is any
    distinction made between what is taught and age level?

    Yes, orgiami is only taught to adults, because of its adult theme.  :-O

4.  This probably varies, How much dues do you pay?

    I pay only as much dues as is required for origami club function.
    This includes postage and duplication fees for monthly flyers
    reminding members of the meeting time/place.

5.  I've never taught origami before except to my son and nephew.  Does anyone
    know of a book which talks about what methods to use in teaching?

    Use big paper, and always display the partial steps in the model with the
    same orientation, pointing out asymmetries such as the split end of the
    crane base, so that people can more easily follow along.  Use experienced
    people--have them go around showing people who are "stuck" how to proceed.
    Nothing is too trivial to announce; if you turn the paper over, announce it.
    It is helpful to have a completed model to show before the session, and also
    helpful to hand out copies of diagrams of the model to people in advance.

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Date: Fri, 8 Oct 93 14:35:45 ADT
From: bartlone@colossus.med.ge.com (Mike Bartolone 5-4266)
Subject: Re: Organizing a new group

>
>In-Reply-To: HQPYR1:server@nstn.ns.ca's message of 10-08-93 07:18
>
>1.  Is there such thing as too large of a group?
>
>    Groups should be small enough so that everyone can easily see the
>    teacher's model, while s/he folds it.  Also, the group must be small
>    enough to clearly hear and understand the teacher's verbal instructions.
>
>
Last fall I taught 91, 9 year olds how to make the classic waterbomb,
the flapping bird (I'm not sure whose it was originally...I got it from
Sam Randlett's TV show..) and the crane. It took a total of 90 minutes
spread over three days. Some kids were actually finishing their models the
first day..I used them to help out the second day. This next summer, if
things go right (for a change) I will be teaching several hundred children
the cane, and the story of Sadako and the 1000 papaer cranes...I did exactly
as described above..use LARGE paper, I used a square cut from a roll of
christmas wrapping paper. I also had several made at various stages, and
pre-folded everything so they didn't have to watch me making a crease...
I also had to speak LOUD, not only so they could hear me, but also to get
and keep their attention. It worked out well enough that the school has asked
me back again this year...





Date: Fri, 8 Oct 93 20:24:36 ADT
From: Daniel Cohen <catman@WPI.EDU>
Subject: Re: Organizing a new group

In reply to Nancy's (ab682@leo.nmc.edu) message on october 8, 1993:
>1.  Is there such thing as too large of a group?  I have not been to any
>of the conventions held by the Friends of Origami of America so I was
>wondering if they kept groups down to a certain size.  Say for instance
>25 people join the group, is it best to split up into smaller groups when
>learning and teaching a model?
Normally when the Long Island Folding Enthusiasts (LIFE) holds meetings,
we try to split up into smaller groups usually when we have more than
20 people or so show up.  When we have less than that, we may also split
up depending upon the capabilities of the folders and models being taught.
We also have an annual convention where we split up into at least three
groups (usually one complex, at least one intermediate, and at least one
simple group). I believe we have had over 50 people show up a couple
of times over the 8 or 9 conventions that we have had.

>2.  How do the different skill level of the members effect what is taught?
At our meetings, the complex folders usually fold along with whatever is
taught unless we have a few complex folders show up.  They usually help the
other folders through the models.  We usually teach low intermediate models.

>3.  Is the group generally made up of both children and adults?  Is any
>distinction made between what is taught and age level?
Our group is made up of both and no distinction is made between the age levels.
However, we do try to make a distinction (when enough folders show up) in the
complexity of the models taught.  Many children handle the intermediate and
complex models with no problem.

>4.  This probably varies, How much dues do you pay?
We have no dues.  We meet at a library once a month for free and we hold
our annual convention at a separate library also for free.  For the convention,
we ask everyone to bring some snacks.  We also ask everyone to bring paper,
but people at the meeting have always been gracious enough to give some paper
to the new folders that show up if they do not have any.  For advertising,
we only use word of mouth, FOCA's newsletter (they say in the regional
section when we meet), and we try to hand out flyers for our convention at
FOCA's convention.

>5.  I've never taught origami before except to my son and nephew.  Does anyone
>know of a book which talks about what methods to use in teaching?
There are some pointers in FOCA's annual collections (from their conventions).

I hope this helps, and good luck with your new group,
Dan Cohen
catman@wpi.wpi.edu





Date: Fri, 8 Oct 93 21:54:22 ADT
From: stamm@aol.com
Subject: Re: Some thoughts on PostScript

BOB!!!

> We're talking rudimentary, here, with the goal of being able to share
> simple diagrams (not publication quality) via small files.

You've seen my stuff in FOLD.  When have I EVER don't something SIMPLE!
Does Oridraw mix text and graphics?

PS- Canvas (what I diagram on the Mac with) is now out for Windows.
GREAT program.





Date: Sat, 9 Oct 93 23:33:43 ADT
From: SOYLENT GREEN <RHUDSON@EDDIE.YORKCOL.EDU>
Subject: RE: Some questions from Paul Jackson's book

I've encountered several instances where great models were pictured in the
books, with no diagrams!  This has irritated me to no end, especially in
Kawai's books..





Date: Mon, 11 Oct 93 09:16:37 ADT
From: John_Morin@transarc.com
Subject: Re: Organizing new group

I had a typo in the response I wrote about Organizing a new group. I
said that the new group being started in Pittsburgh, the "Origami Club
of Pittsburgh - University Chapter", meets twice a week.

We actually meet twice a month. For those interested, the dates for the
rest of the year are below for both the OCP and OCP-UC.

Origami Club of Pittsburgh

DATES (children): Oct 20, Nov 17, Dec 15
DATES (adults): Oct 26, Nov 23, Dec 21
PLACE: Squirrel Hill Branch Library, 5801 Forbes Avenue
TIME:  6pm - 8pm

Origami Club of Pittsburgh - University Chapter

DATES: Oct 20, Nov 3, Nov 17, Dec 1, Dec 15 (1st and 3rd Wednesdays)
PLACE: Room 5403, Wean Hall, CMU campus
TIME:  7pm - 10pm





Date: Mon, 11 Oct 93 14:12:43 ADT
From: s090@brems.ii.uib.no
Subject: Re: FAQ twice a month (ftp)

I just found something which might be of interest:
nic.funet.fi (128.214.6.100) has some gif and jpeg-pictures with
origami instructions. The only thing that _might_ be a problem
for some is that the instructions is in finnish and swedish, but
I don't expect you to have any trouble as the drawings are good.
The directory is /pub/culture/japan/origami (with the subdirectories
/finnish and /swedish where the pics are).
        Kjartan Clausen          | "Say, Pooh, why aren`t YOU busy?" I said.
   Institutt for Informatikk     | "Because it`s a nice day," said Pooh.
     Universitetet i Bergen      | "Yes, but---"
             Norge               | "Why ruin it?" he said.





Date: Mon, 11 Oct 93 15:02:52 ADT
From: stamm@aol.com
Subject: Re: Organizing new group

>I had a typo in the response I wrote about Organizing a new group. I
>said that the new group being started in Pittsburgh, the "Origami Club
>of Pittsburgh - University Chapter", meets twice a week.

BTW- Have you got your group listed with the Friend's Group Exchange
newsletter?  I not you can contact:

Paul Krueger
15106 Moraine Road
Kiel, WI   53042
(414) 565 3139





Date: Mon, 11 Oct 93 21:57:45 ADT
From: Chris Minwah Fang-Yen <cfangyen@leland.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Dinosaur Origami

     Does anyone know where I could get a copy of Montroll's book?
None of the bookstores around here have it, and I found out it is out
of stock at the publisher.  Would be happy to more than repay anyone
willing to buy it for me if there are any more out there.

Sincerely,

Chris Fang-Yen
cfangyen@leland.stanford.edu





Date: Mon, 11 Oct 93 22:34:32 ADT
From: SOYLENT GREEN <RHUDSON@EDDIE.YORKCOL.EDU>
Subject: RE: Dinosaur Origami

It is available from the Friends' of the Origami Center of America in New
York.. I will try to find the address.. you should be able to order it from
them..





Date: Wed, 13 Oct 93 00:25:02 ADT
From: r.follmer@genie.geis.com
Subject: RE: Dinosaur Origami

The address of Friends of the Origami Center of America supply center is:
 %Phyllis Meth
 40-05 166th St
 Flushing NY 11358

The price listed in Books In Print is 9.95.  Add $3 for shipping and
handling.  If you are a member, deduct 10% from the book cost.

Have a fun foldin' day

Bobber





Date: Thu, 21 Oct 93 10:47:22 ADT
From: Bruce Stephens <bruce@liverpool.ac.uk>
Subject: Kawasaki's crystalized roses

To whoever asked about Kawasaki's crystalized roses, as photographed
in Paul Jackson's book; I've got a one page sketch of how I think it was
made.  In order to follow the sketch, you'll need to be familiar with
how to make the rose on its own, either from the diagrams in Origami for
the Connoisseur or from somewhere else.

I've sent the PostScript to Maarten, so he may add it to the archive, so
long as he feels that it does not breach copyright.  To be honest, I'm
not sure whether it does or not.

If he doesn't add it to the archive, then please email me for a copy.
Remember: you'll almost certainly need some other source of the rose in
order to follow my sketch.

Bruce                   Institute of Advanced Scientific Computing
bruce@liverpool.ac.uk   University of Liverpool





Date: Thu, 21 Oct 93 19:37:41 ADT
From: "M.J.van.Gelder" <MAARTEN@rc.rug.nl>
Subject: Re: Kawasaki's crystalized roses

Bruce et al,

m>I've sent the PostScript to Maarten, so he may add it to the archive, so
m>long as he feels that it does not breach copyright.  To be honest, I'm
m>not sure whether it does or not.

The diagrams are in the archives.
I don't think there are copyright problems. As far as I know you may redraw
diagrams. Courtesy says that you should mention the original creator (as you
did).

Maarten van Gelder                   M.J.van.Gelder@RC.RUG.NL
Lichtboei 210                        Rekencentrum Rijksuniversiteit RuG
9732 JK  Groningen                   Groningen
Holland                              Holland





Date: Thu, 21 Oct 93 19:41:49 ADT
From: SOYLENT GREEN <RHUDSON@EDDIE.YORKCOL.EDU>
Subject: RE: Large structures

Can you leave the diagrams somewhere (preferably in GIF format) for the arch?
will it work with 8.5x11 inch paper?





Date: Thu, 4 Nov 93 15:37:18 AST
From: "B.Ewins" <gapv64@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: PS files ...

Hello,
        I'm yet another newbie to this group, which I
discovered totally by accident. Loved the postscript
pictures although they are not DSC conformant and so
kill off many printers (including Ghostscript, which
the archive stores- I wouldve thought someone would
have noticed...)
        I read some of the archived mail on this to
see if there were any posted pictures I'd missed. Many
complaints were that PS pictures were too big to post
and too low-level, and that Marten van Gelder's ORIDRAW
only worked on PC's.
        There seems an obvious solution to this: program
ORIDRAW (or something equivalent in postfix notation) in
PostScript. This would take the form of a header which
anyone (and hopefully, everyone) would add their folds into,
thus giving the compactness of ORIDRAW (so we can all post
to the net) with the portability of PostScript (so we can
all see it).

        Any comments, volunteers, etc for such a project ?
My own knowledge of PS only stretched to writing a prog to
take my data files (I'm a physicist) and make simple line
drawings of my results, so I'm not really up to this.

        cheers,
               Brian Ewins,
               Nuclear Structure Theory,
               Dept of Physics,
               Uni. of Glasgow,
               Glasgow.
e-mail : brian@elec.gla.ac.uk (probably)





Date: Thu, 4 Nov 93 20:27:19 AST
From: CHAPBELL@delphi.com
Subject: Lillian?

Sorry to inconvience other list-readers, but I just lost all these files....

    Lillian,
        I recently lost a number of files (on my old account), including my
list of 'ziners.  Could you drop me a line (at your convenience), so I can
re-establish contact?  Thanks,
        <>Philip Craig Chapman-Bell<>
        Now at:
        chapbell@delphi.com





Date: Tue, 9 Nov 93 10:09:17 AST
From: FWOLFLINK@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU
Subject: she's batty about bats -- help

I've got a colleague who is obsessed with bats -- furry little bird like and
much maligned critters -- anyway, it looks as though the origami community
is not so obsessed with these animals.

So, a question and a challenge:  anyone know of any good models of bats?
how about suggestions of models of birds or dinosaurs that could be adapted?
or original ideas?

fred wolflink
fwolflink@ecn.mass.edu





Date: Tue, 9 Nov 93 10:42:32 AST
From: "M.J.van.Gelder" <MAARTEN@rc.rug.nl>
Subject: Re: Bats

Hello Fred,

You write:

m>I've got a colleague who is obsessed with bats -- furry little bird like and
m>much maligned critters -- anyway, it looks as though the origami community
m>is not so obsessed with these animals.
m>
m>So, a question and a challenge:  anyone know of any good models of bats?
m>how about suggestions of models of birds or dinosaurs that could be adapted?
m>or original ideas?

I don't know where at this moment, but I think I have seen 3 or 4 different
Origami bats. At least there was one in the Convention package 1993. I'll
have a look around.

Also I have made one myself years ago. I'll try and diagram it, but I don't
have much time now ...

Maarten van Gelder                   M.J.van.Gelder@RC.RUG.NL
Lichtboei 210                        Rekencentrum Rijksuniversiteit RuG
9732 JK  Groningen                   Groningen
Holland                              Holland





Date: Tue, 9 Nov 93 11:02:44 AST
From: ab682@leo.nmc.edu (Nancy Nietupski)
Subject: Re: she's batty about bats -- help

Hi Fred,

        Robert Harbin has two (I think) patterns is his _Secrets of Origami_
published in 1971.  And then I remember seeing a pattern for a bat by
Samuel Randlett recently in a library book.  It would be in _The Art of
Origami_ or _The Best of Origami_ (published in '61 and '63 respectively).
        I've done the bat in Harbin's book and thought it was pretty good.
(The pattern, not my folding :-)).

Nancy
ab682@leo.nmc.edu

>I've got a colleague who is obsessed with bats -- furry little bird like and
>much maligned critters -- anyway, it looks as though the origami community
>is not so obsessed with these animals.
>
>So, a question and a challenge:  anyone know of any good models of bats?
>how about suggestions of models of birds or dinosaurs that could be adapted?
>or original ideas?
>
>fred wolflink
>fwolflink@ecn.mass.edu
>
>





Date: Tue, 9 Nov 93 12:31:03 AST
From: Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>
Subject: Re: she's batty about bats -- help

On Tue, 9 Nov 1993 FWOLFLINK@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU wrote:

> So, a question and a challenge:  anyone know of any good models of bats?
> how about suggestions of models of birds or dinosaurs that could be adapted?
> or original ideas?

There are many bat models! However, I must admit that many of them don't
look very good. Root around in the FOCA annuals, definately, but also look
in books by Japanese authors--they seem to be more interested in bats than
Western authors. The best-looking bat model I've seen (in a photograph) is
one by Michael LaFosse called the Kozo bat. It's in one of the more recent
FOCA Newsletters.





Date: Tue, 9 Nov 93 13:24:01 AST
From: Alex Barber <barber@sugar.NeoSoft.COM>
Subject: Re: she's batty about bats -- help

>       Robert Harbin has two (I think) patterns is his _Secrets of Origami_
> published in 1971.  And then I remember seeing a pattern for a bat by
> Samuel Randlett recently in a library book.  It would be in _The Art of
> Origami_ or _The Best of Origami_ (published in '61 and '63 respectively).
>       I've done the bat in Harbin's book and thought it was pretty good.
> (The pattern, not my folding :-)).
>
> Nancy
> ab682@leo.nmc.edu
>
Is Secrets the huge Harbin book - a giant coffee table size origami book
that is unfortunately out of print?  I loved that book - the local branch
of the public library system had it.  There was a bat in there that I
remember folding that was excellent.  I think I made photocopies of the
diagrams and should still have them.

Alex
barber@sugar.neosoft.com





Date: Tue, 9 Nov 93 13:48:10 AST
From: SOYLENT GREEN <RHUDSON@EDDIE.YORKCOL.EDU>
Subject: Re: she's batty about bats -- help

If you don't, I *MIGHT* have copied those.. I think I xeroxed my favorite
diagrams and may have skipped that bat if it required cutting or pasting.. I'm
a purist..

Rob Hudson
RHUDSON@YORKCOL.EDU





Date: Tue, 9 Nov 93 17:21:21 AST
From: "A.G.BATEMAN" <N09UW%TARN@newcastle.ac.uk>
Subject: hello everyone

dear folders,
just a short note to introduce myself. I am a technical folder and a
member of the British Origami Society. I have been folding for about
two years. I would like to correspond with anyone interested in any
aspect of technical folding. I am very new to E-mail so I haven't had a
chance to look at all the files that are available. But I have spent a
couple of hours reading through archive letters. I found that I was
interested in many of the topics discussed,  and I look forward to
talking to you all.

My E-mail address is A.G.Bateman@newcastle.ac.uk

 thanks for listening,      Alex Bateman





Date: Wed, 10 Nov 93 10:10:30 AST
From: ab682@leo.nmc.edu (Nancy Nietupski)
Subject: Re: she's batty about bats -- help

On Nov. 9th Alex wrote:

>Is Secrets the huge Harbin book - a giant coffee table size origami book
>that is unfortunately out of print?  I loved that book - the local branch
>of the public library system had it.  There was a bat in there that I
>remember folding that was excellent.  I think I made photocopies of the
>diagrams and should still have them.
>
>Alex
>barber@sugar.neosoft.com

        Yes, _Secrets of Origami_ is a big book (but I wouldn't say coffee
table size).  It was my first book on origami that I recieved for Christmas
in 1973. It is an excellent book for beginners and more advanced folders.
It is very well illustrated and the variety of patterns are as good as most
books get.  But like most of the books published before the advent of John
Montroll, it sticks with the traditional Japanese bases (except for the
patterns by Jack Stillman [sp?]).  After spending years of folding and
dealing with the Japanese bases (or Chinese, depending on your point of
view), Montroll's first book completely blew my mind.  I remember muttering
to myself, as I struggled through the odds folding steps, that this man
(Montroll) must be a very strange person!  He complete shook up my preset
ideas of what was possible to do with a sheet of paper.

Nancy
ab682@leo.nmc.edu





Date: Thu, 11 Nov 93 19:50:16 AST
From: ackerman <ackerman@dorsai.dorsai.org>
Subject: bats (fwd)

Forwarded message:
>From smtp Thu Nov 11 14:25 EST 1993
Subject: bats
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1993 23:21:02 -0500 (EST)
From: dorsai.dorsai.org!coblenz (coblenz)

Please forward this to the proper person/place. There is a bat model in Wings
and Things by Stephen Weiss. It isn't quite as realistic as the Harbin bat,
but it floats through the air very nicely simulating a bat in flight.





Date: Sat, 13 Nov 93 14:10:36 AST
From: "B.Ewins" <gapv64@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: Origami at NASA

Hi,
        A while ago, someone asked about research that
NASA did to get solar panels to fold up easily, etc. I
don't know about that, but some time ago in New Scientist
there was an article about a scientist there who had come
up with a neat way of getting boxes to fold flat. It was
intended for use in constructing the space station they plan.
You take a cube with one face missing, and crease a diagonal
on each of the other faces, and you can fold the cube down
to a flat square (by flat, I mean in particular that there
are the same number of layers everywhere).
        That should be enough for you to work it out :o)
The neat thing about this is that no sealing has to be
done when you unfold the cube, so all the joints can be made
airtight on earth before transport to space. also, if the
base diagonal cannot fold, the structure becomes rigid.

for those like me who know no origami whatsoever, this is a
simple box:

| /\  /\ | all of the marks in the square are folds.
|/  \/  \| the diagonal ones are valley folds, the
|\  /\  /| two horizontal ones are mountain folds.
|_\/  \/_| there should be two vertical mountain folds
| /\  /\ | 90 degrees round from the horizontal ones, but
|/  \/  \| I cant type them :0)
|\  /\  /| Glue the down the flaps you have pushed in.
|_\/__\/_| yes, I know thats not origami, but we're interested
in folding the box here, not the square, and this is the biggest
you can make from a square of paper, (I think).

        I may have seen this on the patents page, so dont go
selling stuff based on this idea unless youve checked that out.

        cheers,
               Bazza.





Date: Mon, 15 Nov 93 08:03:37 AST
From: Sjaak <jadr@oce.nl>
Subject: Re: hello everyone

  >dear folders,
  >just a short note to introduce myself. I am a technical folder and a
  >member of the British Origami Society. I have been folding for about
  >two years. I would like to correspond with anyone interested in any
  >aspect of technical folding. I am very new to E-mail so I haven't had a

Can you please explain what you mean by 'technical folding'?

  >chance to look at all the files that are available. But I have spent a
  >couple of hours reading through archive letters. I found that I was
  >interested in many of the topics discussed,  and I look forward to
  >talking to you all.
  >
  >My E-mail address is A.G.Bateman@newcastle.ac.uk
  >
  > thanks for listening,      Alex Bateman

Greetings,
Sjaak Adriaanse





Date: Mon, 15 Nov 93 08:05:35 AST
From: Sjaak <jadr@oce.nl>
Subject: Re: she's batty about bats -- help

Hello everybody,

I do have a nice model of a bat, but I have it on paper only . I do not know
if it is published in any easily available publication (like a book).

It is a model by Dirk Oliemans, and I have it in the booklet from 'Oridag
Den Haag'. Maybe Maarten also knows it.

What should I do in this case to get the description to Fred? Does this
listserv group have any protocol for transmitting paper descriptions ? Should
I scan it?

Greetings,
Sjaak Adriaanse





Date: Mon, 15 Nov 93 17:18:34 AST
From: "A.G.BATEMAN" <N09UW%TARN@newcastle.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: she's batty about bats -- help

  As I only joined the list recently I'm not sure what the bat chat is all
about. I saw a picture of Michael LaFosse's Kozo Bat on page 20 of
the Summer '93 newsletter of the FOCA. Does anyone know  where
can I get diagrams for this model.
                                               Alex.

n09uw%tarn@newcastle.ac.uk





Date: Mon, 15 Nov 93 19:34:23 AST
From: Comet <COMET@us.oracle.com>
Subject: Re: Zine and Winter Solstice

Merry Meet, Kat!

I'm looking forward to a summary of what's up with the zine, since I
accidentally annihilated all 90 messages I'd batched up until last weekend.

I'm not planning on being in the Bethesda, MD area this solstice,
but I welcome you, and other celebrants to send me solstice cards
on this holiday season.  :-O  My snail-mail address is printed, below.

Also, if you are in the San Francisco Bay Area, I welcome your phone calls,
24-hours a day, to my home number printed at the head of this e-mail note.

Bright Blessings!

Comet <comet@oracle.com>
437 Wessex Way
Belmont, CA  94002-2757

---- Included Message ----
From: HQPYR1:kcl@world.std.com
Subject: Zine and Winter Solstice
UNIXTo: kcl@world.std.com lillian_sun@mail.amsinc.com mjnaughton@amherst.edu
roos@sophia.smith.edu stamm@aol.com

Dear Ziners,
Could we have a summary of what our zine consists of - perhaps when
the name is announced.  By this I mean who the editor is & snail-mail
address, dues, submission deadlines, number of copies to be sent in,
length minimum/maximum, and final member list.  I sorta know the
answers to most of these - but not all.  I've my bit all written
and will double-side xerox on Monday!

I don't know how many of you live near me (I'm in Bethesda, MD),
but if you are in the area I'd like to invite you to our annual
Winter Solstice Party & Open-House.  It will be Dec 19, all afternoon
and into the evening.  Children of all ages welcome!  There will
be one or two Winter Solstice Bushes with at least some origami
on them!  Holler if you want details!

Katherine Long
kcl@world.std.com





Date: Mon, 22 Nov 93 03:44:50 AST
From: Sjaak <jadr@oce.nl>
Subject: Re: Origami at NASA

  >
  >Hi,
  >     A while ago, someone asked about research that
  >NASA did to get solar panels to fold up easily, etc. I
  >don't know about that, but some time ago in New Scientist
  >there was an article about a scientist there who had come
  >up with a neat way of getting boxes to fold flat. It was

You can find more about this (and related) subjects in:

1)  the October 23, 1980 issue of New Scientist has an article on 'Miura-ori'
and describes new ways of folding a map, as a result of NASA research
(maybe the same that you mentioned).

2) the March 1992 issue of Discover has a cover story on Chuck Hoberman,
called 'The new world of Unfolding Architecture'. He really does amazing
things, not only with paper.

3) the Origami Omnibus, by Kasahara, describes how to fold a series of
boxes like yours. He calls it 'the Four-Dimensional Box'.

Greetings,

Sjaak Adriaanse





Date: Mon, 22 Nov 93 05:30:55 AST
From: Torphammar Per <peto@telub.se>
Subject:

Hi out there!

Thanks for all info concerning "space/NASA/map" foldings!!!!
However the ref. (Miura/Hoberman/Kasahara) were unfortunate rather old i. e.
hard to get. If somebody out there would be kind to send me a copy by snail
mail, I would be very happy - and perhaps be able to thank you by returning
some other goodies :-)

Thank you in advance

Per Torphammar
Angsv 6
S-352 50 VAXJO
Sweden





Date: Mon, 22 Nov 93 05:55:46 AST
From: "A.G.BATEMAN" <N09UW%TARN@newcastle.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Origami references

 Hello folders,
Is there a list of origami literature references anywhere? I have a few
from New Scientist and Scientific american which are directly related
to origami, and several which a CD ROM search found which don't
relate to paperfolding in the slightest. Well if there isn't one then I
think that one would be useful.

                                                   Alex
N09uw%Tarn@ncl.ac.uk





Date: Mon, 22 Nov 93 14:56:34 AST
From: "hans.birkeland" <Hans.Birkeland@bibhs.no>
Subject: Hello out there!

>My name is Hans Birkeland, I'm a Norwegian student living in Oslo (born
>1964). Since this is my first e-mail, I will introduce myself a bit further.
>I am an origami-maniac and I am especially interested in discussing all
>aspects of "technical origami", as Alex Bateman alsohas written. By the way,
>Alex, why don't you write directly to Michael La Fosse to get diagrams for
>his bat. If anyone has got any, it should be him. Anyway, I don't know  much
>about this mailing list yet (I will print out most of the archives), so
>please be welcome to write some summary anyone (maybe one of the oldest
>users?). If anyone doesn't know what is meant by "technical folding", I
>would define it as a branch of origami where everybody is only interested in
>making difficult models that no-one else can duplicate. When I say "make" I
>thereby mean "design using complicated methods", and not necessarily fold at
>all.. Of course I'm just kidding!
>   Bye for now.  Hans
>     my address is: Hans.Birkeland@bibhs.no
>
>------------------------------ End of forwarded message 1





Date: Tue, 23 Nov 93 07:53:58 AST
From: "B.Ewins" <gapv64@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Hello out there!

>his bat. If anyone has got any, it should be him. Anyway, I don't know  much
>about this mailing list yet (I will print out most of the archives), so
>please be welcome to write some summary anyone (maybe one of the oldest
>users?). If anyone doesn't know what is meant by "technical folding", I

... this guy is asking for the FAQ, but is also interested in some
of the archived mail. I was wondering... should the FAQ not contain
some 'origami' information as well as the purely list-related
stuff ? such as, eg,:
how to fold a xxxx base (...followed by the simple ones)
- an explanation of terminology...eg I'd like to know what
the difference is between a open sink and a closed one???
- a bibliography. This appears in many other network FAQ's,and
I know Maarten has a database of 72 books at the archive ,
but it doesnt actually list the titles!!
- a few 'tricks' that have appeared in the archived mail
that have dissappeared under the morass of mail about meetings,
etc, for example, the 'how to divide by 5' thread.

I dont think you could go much further, the 8-part faq's
that appear on usenet arent really suitable for mail lists.

ObFold: Is there anyone out there who doesnt know the
'chinese vase' ? I'll diagram it for the archive if there
are -It's my personal fave fold.

        Cheers,
               Bazza.





Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1993 10:38:57 -0400 (AST)
From: SOYLENT GREEN <RHUDSON@eddie.yorkcol.edu>
Subject: Re: Hello out there!

Which vase is the chinese vase?





Date: Tue, 23 Nov 93 13:54:35 AST
From: "B.Ewins" <gapv64@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Hello out there!

The chinese vase is the one with a square base which looks like:

___\  /___
\        /
 \      /
   \___/
k~v

the top is a square with inset on it a square at 45 degrees
to it, from which are folded out 4 flaps to make a cocentric
square opening with a 'lotus blossom' appearance.
        Thats the best I can do in words

        -- See ya
                     Bazza





Date: Mon, 6 Dec 93 09:28:20 AST
From: "B.Ewins" <gapv64@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: Eagle model.

Hi!
        I've been laid up with the flu for the last
week, and to pass the time, I started to make a group
of birds to hang from my lampshade. I wanted a larger
bird as a centrepiece, and I thought an eagle would
look nice. Not knowing such a model, I made it up...
and here it is . It's pretty easy, so I'm just going
to describe it rather than draw. It's modular, and you
need 3 squares of paper, one side coloured, the other
white.
        To save me typing it every time, when I say
'kite corner A' I mean fold the two edges that come
out of that point so that the edges lie together along
the line that bisected the angle at A.

Base (Make 2)

Preliminary fold so that white is outside. With closed
corner at the top, fold one layer of the bottom corner
up to the top. fold this same corner back down to the crease
you have just made. Unfold both folds and refold , folding
the bottom one first.
        You should be looking at a white triangle in the
top corner of a coloured square whose bottom half is split.
repeat on other side.

Body - start with base.
kite both layers at the white corner. this is the head, the
bottom is the legs. Flip over. Kite the legs. Valley fold
each leg so that they point flat outwards at 90 to the body.
fold each leg back across the body at right angles to it.
( the location of thes folds are obvious in practice)
Allow the leg to point up from the body at this fold. Inside
reverse fold the legs at a point close to the body,so that
the edgeof the leg furthest up from the body is parallel to
it. Inside reverse fold the tip of the leg to form the 'claw'
bend the tip of the head slightly to form the impression of a beak.

Have a look a the back of the model. It's split. The triangular
flap of the wing you will make goes under the split section
to lock it in place; then, on the top of the back flaps you
find two gaps slanted to point backwards. the tail forms
a peg which is inserted here to lock the whole model together.

Tail - start with base.
with the white corner at the top, fold one layer right to
left.kite the corner at the bottom. fold the layer back.
fold the layer on the left to the right, and kite the
bottom corner. fold layer back. kite the bottom corner
again (one layer) then turn model over and repeat last kite.
bottom end is split to be used as peg (as described above)

Wings
I tried several designs for the wings, and although some
using 2 sheets look nicer, I could only find an adequate
locking mechanism for those with one. Experiment on the
design given here, it's just one I liked at the time.

take square and fold in two along diagonal. fold the right
angled corner again to meet the crease. fold the line of the
fold you just made to the long edge. finally, fold that line back
up to the previous fold.

Unfold completely and turn white side up, with the folded
diagonal running right-to-left. above and below this line,
there are 5 creases. counting outwards, fold like this:
1 is valley, 2 is mountain, 4 is valley. (on both sides of
diagonal). Then fold again along the diagonal. The wing
shape should now be obvious.
        At this point I fold back the 135 degree corners
you can see (slightly) on both sides to show white flecks
on the back of the wings.
        Finally we make the flap for holding these in place.
Take one wing and valley fold it, with one end of the fold
being at the front centre of the wings, at a slight angle
to the centre line of the wings. Then valley fold the wing
back again, with the fold again starting at the front centre
but this time the edge created by the fold lies directly
over the centre line. repeat with the other wing.
the effect is to create a triangular double flap under the
wings and to sweep them back somewhat.
        Slot this into place as described above. Once
the tail has been pushed in as far as it can go, slide th
wings back as far as you can. This fills in a hole you
can see from the underside of the body.

Hope you followed all that, I may eventually get round to
diagramming it. It seems an obvious subject , and its so
easy to fold, that someone must have done something like
this before, after all, I am an almost complete beginner.
I'd be interested to find out.

Next, I tried to think of ways of making a snake, hinged
at each body section. has anyone done something like this?
Another idea I had was to make the pentominoes (and the
extra piece) that can be put together as a chessboard...
go nowhere with that too. Back to the drwing board !

        Cheers,
               Bazza.





Date: Thu, 9 Dec 93 08:55:09 AST
From: "B.Ewins" <gapv64@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: "Sea Life"

Hello again!
        Just bought 'Sea Life' by Montroll & Lang, which
I feel very guilty about as I've already ordered 'Origami
for the Enthusiast' and 'Origami for the Connoisseur'...
        I've managed the Sea Horse, Blue Shark and Hermit
Crab so far and I must say the comment in the front that
'all of these models can be made with ordinary 10 inch
origami paper' must have been made under the influence of
strong psychoactive and probably illegal drugs.
        On the same lines, I'd like to hear from anyone
who managed Robert Lang's Praying Mantis (from the archives)
In particular what kind of paper did you use ? I have '
ordinary 9 inch origami paper' which shreds during the
rabbit-ear-ing of the head. Looking ahead a few steps, I
think the neck couldnt be folded with this paper either
at the thickness required.

               Cheers,
                     Bazza.
