




Date: Thu, 23 Sep 93 21:41:16 ADT
From: Rusty Babani <babani@acsu.buffalo.edu>
Subject: RE: Fold Magazine

>From: SOYLENT GREEN <RHUDSON@EDDIE.YORKCOL.EDU>

>Maybe you should put it in a different format.. i don't know if postscript is
>that widespread (is there, by any chance, a postscript displayer/editor
>available via shareware).. enough so enough people would benefit from it..

As far as I know, postscript is the best format for distributing stuff
that will eventually be printed.  Quite a few thesis papers are
distributed in this format.  For IBM's There is a program that is
available that will convert between postscript and other formats and
will disply postscript files to the screen if need be, called
GhostScript.  It is shareware I believe available from many ftp sites.
(do an archie search to find a location near you.)

>From: stamm@aol.com
>I don't think is would be practical to publish FOLD as postscript files
>because of the diverse publlishing methods of the contributers.  FOLD is 1/2
>to 3/4 of an inch thick (every two months).  Also its distribution is
>"limited" becouse of the personal messages enclosed.

Well, the electronic distribution was just an idea...

>HOWEVER, You may be interested in Online Origami, an Online Zine I also

I'd be very interested in seeing a copy of this.  (I'd be willing to
mail you an IBM or Apple formatted 5 1/4" or 3 1/2" disk and return
postage if you really can't figure out how to upload binary files.)

The problem with GIF files is that I don't know how I would print it
out.  I don't know of any good quality, easily available programs that
will do this.  As far as postscript files go, true, they are huge,
but, they compress about 70-75% when compressed with PKZIP or gzip.
(I'm not sure how stuffit would work.)  Both programs are easily
available at many ftp sites accross the internet.

>(For Mac users) Common Ground(300dpi)  ***      136K

What is Common Ground?

As far as Windoze's goes... my school doesn't support it, nor do I have
the space to put it on my IBM.  GIF files sound interesting... but how
would one go about printing a GIF file?

Rusty

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 93 22:49:10 ADT
From: SOYLENT GREEN <RHUDSON@EDDIE.YORKCOL.EDU>
Subject: RE: Fold Magazine

Gif files are easily printable via many shareware programs which will
convert/print them in various formats .. it just takes a little digging to
find one that works... check ftp sites.





Date: Sat, 25 Sep 93 08:40:22 ADT
From: SOYLENT GREEN <RHUDSON@EDDIE.YORKCOL.EDU>
Subject: Re: FOLD magazine

What's the number to the Origami BBS .. i have no subscriptions to any
commercial services.. (apart from Internet via college)...

-Rob Hudson
(SOYLENT GREEN)





Date: Sat, 25 Sep 93 08:43:26 ADT
From: andataco!vann@UCSD.EDU (V'Ann Cornelius)
Subject: RE: Fold Magazine

there is one on the origami bbs - in the utilties dir
(619)753-4419 9n0 9600b
-v-





Date: Sat, 25 Sep 93 08:46:28 ADT
From: andataco!vann@UCSD.EDU (V'Ann Cornelius)
Subject: RE: Fold Magazine

correction - BBS is 9600  N81
-v'ann-





Date: Sat, 25 Sep 93 08:49:47 ADT
From: stamm@aol.com
Subject: Re: "The Internet as a Regional Group" FLAME

To Joseph:

The FLAME:

>In the latest issue of the Regional Group Exchange, Tom Stamm
(stamm@aol.com)
>suggested having the 'Net listed as a "(virtual?) regional group". I
>think, however, that the folders on the 'Net (and members of this mailing
>list in particular) do not constitute a regional group. The biggest
>problem is, of course, the word "regional". What region do we represent?
>We do not have regular meetings, we do not fold together, we do not have
>any sort of organization whatsoever (aside from the structure of the
>mailing list itself).

>Another question I have for Tom is, why weren't we (the actual people on
>the 'Net) told about this? It seems a bit presumptuous to me for you to go
>and do this without consultation with anyone here. Perhaps I simply missed
>whatever announcement you made about this, and, if so, I sincerely
>apologise. But I really think that such a move must be discussed here
>before it can be carried any further. I've put in my $0.02. Any other
>comments/opinions (as if I had to ask! 8) )?
here

The REPLY:

1) The letter you refer to was a personal letter I wrote
to Paul Krueger and Michael Shall describing in very
simple term the mechanics of running an Origami Zine
electronically (I wrote this at their request).  This
included Internet, but not restricted to it.  Both Paul
and Michael are not "computer types" and I wrote the
letter with them as the INTENDED AUDIENCE.  Paul chose
to publish the letter in the RGE and this is fine I have
no problem with it and make no apologies for what I
said.  Please understand the the letter was written in
context of phone conversations with Paul and Michael.

2) I was not requesting that THIS listserv become a
regional group, but that the particpants of the "Online
Origami" zine be listed as such so that "OO" would have
access to the RGE newsletter (which is availble to
groups not individuals) and that the information could
be used as "seed" content for the zine.

3) You assume (PRESUME?) when I said people on "the Net"
I was specifically referring to the Origami-L ListServ.
This is not true.  In fact I had not even subscribe to
the ListServe yet, at the time I composed the letter.
(The listserve was difficult for me to find --- I EVEN
had to wear my "Indiana Jones" Hat!).  I was in fact
refering to the participants of "Online Origami" (i.e.
AOL, CompuServe, GEnie and V'Ann's BBS).  Had I know
that the letter would ebd up having a broader audience I
certainly would have been more "technically specific."

Pax
Tom Stamm
stamm@aol.com





Date: Sat, 25 Sep 93 08:52:43 ADT
From: Cynthia Pettit <pettit@cs.unc.edu>
Subject: Re: The Internet as a Regional Group?

>In the latest issue of the Regional Group Exchange, Tom Stamm (stamm@aol.com)
>suggested having the 'Net listed as a "(virtual?) regional group".I
>think, however, that the folders on the 'Net (and members of this mailing
>list in particular) do not constitute a regional group.

Personally, I feel the Net *is* a kind of "community".  I feel a
*part* of a group when I'm "here".

>The biggest problem is, of course, the word "regional".

And therefore I agree with Joseph.  Obviously oppinions vary.  It
should've been discussed [on the Net? :) ]

Cyn -- pettit@cs.unc.edu

        "It's not about driving down rt 66 and stopping at the Holiday Inn!
               It's about *adventure*!!"
                          ---Richard P Feynman





Date: Sun, 26 Sep 93 01:05:35 ADT
From: andataco!vann@UCSD.EDU (V'Ann Cornelius)
Subject: Re: FOLD magazine

Origami BBS phone number is (619) 753-4419 ... 9600b N81

This is NOT the archive. It is a place where only origami people
call in.  It's original intent is to provide a mechanism for
people to access the INDEX.  At a future time, the goal is to
connect it to a 'feature' that enables callers to directly
search the DB.

As you noticed, The Origami Online, issue one and two have
been posted there as well as two versions of PC .gif interpreters.

{page through the directories with the bracket '[' key}
{At any prompt, a '?' gives help.}

-v'ann-                             1828 Dora Drive
                                    Cardiff-by-the-Sea, CA 92007
vann@andataco.com                   (619) 753-9623
BBS: (619) 753-4419
Mostly from 8pm-8am pacific time





Date: Tue, 28 Sep 93 16:15:54 ADT
From: Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>
Subject: Re: "The Internet as a Regional Group" FLAME

On Sat, 25 Sep 1993 stamm@aol.com wrote:

   *** stuff deleted ***

The APOLOGY:

Obviously, I was mistaken in my interpretation of your letter. And for
that I am sincerely sorry.

I should say, however, that none of what you say above in your "REPLY" was
in any way evident in your letter to Paul Krueger or in the way he
interpreted it in the Regional Group Exchange. Almost all of the letter
was concerned with "the Internet", with AOL, CompuServe, etc. being
mentioned in a little blurb at the end.

However, I still don't think that any sort of a distributed network should
be considered a "regional" group (reasons explained in my last message).
As Cyn said, there is a feeling of "community" here (and on other online
services), but it just isn't a regional group.





Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 11:25:45 ADT
From: andataco!vann@UCSD.EDU (V'Ann Cornelius)
Subject: Re: "The Internet as a Regional Group" FLAME

Just a thought ...

The concept of 'regional group' has not been defined by the
Friends of the Origami Center.  There are some who view the
idea of 'regionalness' to be a source of revenue. Part of
their perception, as discuss at the first  regional group meeting
April, 1992 convention, was that the status of being a recognized
regional group carried with it privileges and responsibilities.
The privilege was not clarified but some at the meeting expressed
an understanding that 'true' regionalness meant that the convention
would rotate each year. IE the identified group would arrange for
the space for the meeting, the accommodations for guest.  There were
also so hopes that the whole show 'classes', 'guest-speakers', etc
and the venue would be planned by the 'regional group'.

The people with these ideas come from areas with many,many members.
In our local group, people are not... joiners ... shall we say.
We like being involved but membership cards and dues are not highly
valued.  Collaboration, investigation, sharing new findings are valued.

With that on one side of the coin, I think about the other side of the
coin.  The Board of directors have asked for any ideas, definitions,
etc from people who care to put in their .02. The October 15 agenda
includes a discussion on defining ... regionalness ... I think it
is important for people to bring up the idea that folding origami
includes many 'virutal' communities: people connected on line, people
looking for complexed folds, people trying to teach children, etc

I was pleased to see Tom's letter in the Regional Newsletter.

-v'ann-                             1828 Dora Drive
                                    Cardiff-by-the-Sea, CA 92007
vann@andataco.com                   (619) 753-9623





Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 14:17:24 ADT
From: "Penelope R. Chua" <chupenr@minerva.cis.yale.edu>

Does anyone know of any varnish or glue or some sort of coating one could
use to preserve origami models?  I was once in a store in Boston that sold
origami earrings, and these were made from ordinary origami paper and had
been dipped in some sort of varnish(?) to strengthen them and made to hold
their shape permanently.  I have been thinking of making my own origami
earrings and would be grateful if anyone could offer any suggestions as to
how I could preserve my models permanently.

Penelope Chua   Biology Dept., Yale University   chupenr@minerva.ycc.yale.edu





Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 14:35:13 ADT
From: say@sfu.ca
Subject: Re: Origami Varnish (preserving)

" Does anyone know of any varnish or glue or some sort of coating one could
" use to preserve origami models?  I was once in a store in Boston that sold
" origami earrings, and these were made from ordinary origami paper and had
" been dipped in some sort of varnish(?) to strengthen them and made to hold
" their shape permanently.  I have been thinking of making my own origami
" earrings and would be grateful if anyone could offer any suggestions as to
" how I could preserve my models permanently.
" --
" Penelope Chua   Biology Dept., Yale University   chupenr@minerva.ycc.yale.edu

   The NOA club in Tokyo sells a special paper and "varnish" for
that purpose.  As well they have a "setting paper" which is coated
with a polymer which sets in the sun (UV light) to a hard shell like
plastic.





Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 17:08:27 ADT
From: LANCELOT LINK <RHUDSON@EDDIE.YORKCOL.EDU>
Subject: earrings (preserving)

I've thought about the same thing myself.  I did manage to make a pair (one!)
after spraying them with spray glue, after painting elmers glue on them.  I did
hear that 2 or 3 part epoxy would work better, though, but I haven't had the
chance to try it yet.





Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 17:19:06 ADT
From: Jeremy.Uejio@Eng.Sun.COM (Jeremy Y Uejio)
Subject: Re: Origami Varnish (preserving)

I've also seen something called Jolly Glaze which you can get at a
hobby store.  Unfortunately, like many varnishes, it's quite toxic.
(Contains Xylene??)  I bought something called Modge Podge (sp?) and
that works ok, but it doesn't harden completely.  The good thing is
that it's not very toxic and is easy to clean with water.  I've found
that I need about three light coats to get a decent glaze.  If I put
too heavy a coat, it warps the paper.

Anyone know if you can get the special "setting paper" mentioned above
in the United States?  Esp. in the SF bay area?

                          jeremy





Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 04:50:15 ADT
From: Agnes Tomorrow <atom@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: gift wrapping

On Fri, 17 Sep 1993 s090@brems.ii.uib.no wrote:
>
> You are not the only one who's had such experiences. I learned
> myself to wrap gifts without using any tape or string, but mostly
> they didn't even notice. The ones that did notice just said 'Oh no
> - not another paperfold!'.
>
        And, in the other direction--I have friends who refuse to wrap
gifts to me any more, having had too many experiences where I would
carefully unwrap a lovely gift, say "Thank you very much!", and then set
the gift aside to start making squares from the wrapping!  (Well, what
else can one do, when they use beautiful paper?  One doesn't want to put
any *wrong* creases in it---it's necessary to make the best squares
possible right away, and then start folding them...) Somehow, they seemed
to feel this was rude--I can't imagine why, can you?   :-)

Agnes Tomorrow
atom@u.washington.edu





Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 10:19:18 ADT
From: LANCELOT LINK <RHUDSON@EDDIE.YORKCOL.EDU>
Subject: Re: gift wrapping

What's the best book on gift-wrapping without the use of scissors, glue or other
artificial means?  I've only found one method.. that's the one from Kenneway's Complete
Origami.. and its pretty weak in some cases.





Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 10:45:08 ADT
From: ab682@leo.nmc.edu (Nancy Nietupski)
Subject: Preserving origami models

        In the back of Gay M. Gross's book _Origami: New Ideas for
Paperfolding_, she mentions using Krylon clear acrylic spray to help
preserve new models.  She also mentions using clear nail polish, Joli
Glaze, and Sculpey Glaze.  But I haven't tried any of these so I don't
know what kind of results you will get.

Nancy
ab682@leo.nmc.edu





Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 13:35:57 ADT
From: winsonc@sfu.ca
Subject: Re: Preserving origami models

>       In the back of Gay M. Gross's book _Origami: New Ideas for
> Paperfolding_, she mentions using Krylon clear acrylic spray to help
> preserve new models.  She also mentions using clear nail polish, Joli
> Glaze, and Sculpey Glaze.  But I haven't tried any of these so I don't
> know what kind of results you will get.

I have actually tried using clear nail polish to perserve new model, but the
only problem is that it is hard to get a smooth coating for anything that is
to large.
> Nancy
> ab682@leo.nmc.edu





Date: Thu, 7 Oct 93 17:22:25 ADT
From: ab682@leo.nmc.edu (Nancy Nietupski)
Subject: Organizing new group

        This is a general question for the group.  I live in west Michigan
where there is no origami group.  Over the years I have contemplated
starting one up but I am rather inexperienced at that sort of thing.  So I
have a few questions.

1.  What is the best way to let people know that a group is forming?
2.  Are most groups held in a public meeting room or is a home setting ok?
3.  How formal are the groups, for instance, are leaders voted for (I'm
not inclined towards that much formality).
4.  Do people take turns teaching folds?
5.  What about paper and supplies?

        Any other advice would be appreciated.  It is difficult to know
exactly what questions to ask when I haven't any experience in forming a
group.

Nancy
ab682@leo.nmc.edu





Date: Thu, 7 Oct 93 19:20:20 ADT
From: SOYLENT GREEN <RHUDSON@EDDIE.YORKCOL.EDU>
Subject: RE: Organizing new group

I can help you out as far as the "home setting" aspect.  In the short-lived
York PAperfolders, I folded with three other people.  Deg Farrelly hosted in
his home, and when he moved to Arizona, the group didn't last.  The "home
setting" gave the group a personal touch.  I would suggest that, however, i
would also recommend meeting in a group setting somewhere else so you know who
you're dealing with.  The four of us were all acquainted before the group
started.  You may want to sit and pick someone each month (or however often you
meet) to teach a model, run through other models, and leave time at the end for
general folding ...





Date: Thu, 7 Oct 93 19:17:27 ADT
From: Jeremy.Uejio@Eng.Sun.COM (Jeremy Y Uejio)
Subject: Re: Organizing new group

I've asked some of these questions before, but no one answered.  Since
then, I've recently joined a San Francisco club and they do it the following
way:

Meetings are held on the first saturday of every month at a local public
library.
Flyers are sent out to members a week or so before stating what we're
planning that month.
Most people bring their own books and paper, but the club also has
it's own supply.
They used to put a bowl on the table for donations, but I think they're
collecting dues. (I haven't gone for the past 3 months.)
People take turns teaching folds.
I don't know if there is any president or anything.

This seems like a good way to go.  Also, they have some models on exhibit
at the library and the library seems happy with them and leaves them
alone.

                          jeremy.uejio@eng.sun.com





Date: Thu, 7 Oct 93 19:23:53 ADT
From: Comet <COMET@us.oracle.com>
Subject: Re: Organizing new group

To start a new group, first research where the local origami supply stores are.

Join the "Friends of the Origami Center of America", and ask them for
additional membership and order forms, for mail-order of supplies and books.

Go to your local libraries, and speak with the children's librarians, asking
about reserving exhibition cases, and perhaps a joint presentation of origami
after a children's story hour.  Advertise using flyers in the community section
of the library.

Alternatively, if you are religious, you can organize, perhaps, in cooperation
with your local Sunday School or Unitarian church.  See your local newspapers
for where other non-profit organizations meet.

Once you have a meeting place, you can design a membership card (or wait until
you meet somebody you feel better qualified to do this.)  In the first meeting,
give out free membership cards to everyone.  Also, give a few to the librarians
and Sunday School teachers.  Once you've given out a hundred of them, approach
your local art supply stores, telling them you have 100 members, and would they
be interested in offerring a discount to your club, in return for free
advertising?

Promote membership in local newsweeklies, newsmonthlies, and newspapers, where
non-profit organizations can make free postings.  Write a press release and
invite your the editor of your newspapers' "Local Events" section to attend.
Advertise by leaving flyers in the art supply store, and put a video on on the
free cable community-access channel.

If you charge membership dues, you can spend it on a mass-mailing, after you
purchase a local mailing-list.  You can also advertise freely on local college
and community radio shows.

Open a booth at a local street fair, selling origami jewelry and advertising
your club.  Wear origami-related clothing and accessories, and have a business
card made up that says contact info for your club.

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Date: Fri, 8 Oct 93 07:35:30 ADT
From: roos@sophia.smith.edu (Bob Roos)
Subject: Some thoughts on PostScript

These are half-baked ideas.  Some may even be only 3/8-baked, or 1/4-baked.
Please shoot them down if they're preposterous, or flesh them out if you
think they have merit.  ("Half-baked," "shoot them down," "flesh them out"
--I guess I REALLY have to work on my metaphors!)

Why are PostScript diagram files so big?  After all, there isn't a whole
lot of PostScript needed to draw a line--you just need something like

        50 100 moveto
        100 200 lineto

to draw a line from coordinates (50,100) to coordinates (100,200).  If a
typical diagram has, say, 1000 line segments (and I'm not claiming that
that's typical, I'm just picking numbers out of the air), a PostScript
file for it would be something like 25K bytes.  (Okay, I'm leaving out
text, arrow heads, etc.  But those don't make up the bulk of a diagram
file.)  25K isn't so bad, and lots of diagrams would be smaller, or
would be broken up into several pages.

The reason PostScript files are so big, it seems to me, is that they are
produced indirectly as a result of using some drawing program such as
Canvas.  The Canvas program prefaces the actual "drawing" with
a vast number of "defines" which correspond to the various Canvas drawing
commands.

"Wait," you say, "I know where this is headed--you're saying we should
do our diagramming directly in PostScript.  But I don't know how to
program in PostScript and I don't much want to learn."

No, that's not what I'm suggesting.  But how about something like this:
somebody (maybe even me??) writes a program in Pascal or C or whatever
that accepts input something like this:

        1: 25 35 25 55
        25 55 55 55
        55 55 55 35
        55 35 25 35;
        2: (1) -45 35 45 55
        .25 55 55 35;

etc.  Intended meaning:

        figure 1: solid line from (25,35) to (25,55)
        solid line from (25,55) to (55,55)
        solid line from (55,55) to (55,35)
        solid line from (55,35) to (25,35)
        figure 2: include all of figure one and add a dashed line
               from (45,35) to (45,55) and
        a dot-dot-dash line from (25,55) to (55,35)

etc.  YOU type in the input.  The program converts it into (minimal)
PostScript.   You'd also need command for arrows, perhaps these could
be translated into some simple generic PostScript code.  I'm not sure
about inserting text.

Where do the numbers come from?  You take a grid, perhaps
photocopied onto a sheet of transparency paper, and number the grid
lines.  Then you lay it over your (flat) origami model and just look
at where the creases and lines intersect the grid, then type them in.

Is this a painful exercise in data entry? MOST ASSUREDLY, if you're
diagramming Montroll's lobster.  But what if you're just posting a
simple three-figure diagram to illustrate some folding technique? Would
it really take you much longer to type in all those numbers compared
to the time needed to fire up your favorite graphics program and do the
diagrams with the drawing tools, then save it as a PostScript file?
(Well, maybe--it depends how good you are at doing computer diagramming.
My experience has been that it's tough  to learn to do it fast.)

Anyway, I can see many flaws, problems, etc. even as I type this in (maybe
only 3/16-baked, or 1/32-baked?)  But let's here it from you
origami/computer types out there--any hope of salvaging something from
this, like a shareware program that people can use to "build" their
own PostScript files by entering coordinates of the line segments?

Bob
roos@sophia.smith.edu





Date: Fri, 8 Oct 93 07:40:11 ADT
From: Bruce Stephens <bruce@liverpool.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Some thoughts on PostScript

> "Wait," you say, "I know where this is headed--you're saying we should
> do our diagramming directly in PostScript.  But I don't know how to
> program in PostScript and I don't much want to learn."
>
> No, that's not what I'm suggesting.  But how about something like this:
> somebody (maybe even me??) writes a program in Pascal or C or whatever
> that accepts input something like this:
>
>       1: 25 35 25 55
>       25 55 55 55
>       55 55 55 35
>       55 35 25 35;
>       2: (1) -45 35 45 55
>       .25 55 55 35;

I thought this was exactly the kind of thing that ORIDRAW did?  (And ORIDRAW
PostScript files _are_ short.)





Date: Fri, 8 Oct 93 08:52:23 ADT
From: stamm@aol.com
Subject: Re: Online Origami Zine & Postscript

I don't know why postscript files are so large.  I know nothing about
Postscript internals.  All I know is that Postscript files have alway been
HUGE as compared to a Microsoft Word file (where the zine is written) or
Common Ground (Digital Paper) or GIF. All three of the later formats are
comproble in size ... Postscript is HUGE! (Blame Apple's LaserPrinter
driver?)

Maarten: For now I will EMAIL the postscript files to you.  Any ideas where I
could FTP the other (very much smaller) files?

Thanks
Tom
stamm@aol.com





Date: Fri, 8 Oct 93 09:42:21 ADT
From: roos@sophia.smith.edu (Bob Roos)
Subject: Re: Some thoughts on PostScript

  > From: Bruce Stephens <bruce@liverpool.ac.uk>
  > To: Multiple recipients of list <origami-l@nstn.ns.ca>
  > Subject: Re: Some thoughts on PostScript
  >
  >  ... stuff from my original posting deleted...
  >
  > I thought this was exactly the kind of thing that ORIDRAW did?  (And ORIDRAW
  > PostScript files _are_ short.)
  >

Oh, really?? That's great!  Since I use Mac and not IBMs, I never
investigated ORIDRAW.  Okay--well, maybe my idea wasn't so half-baked
after all.  If I recall correctly, isn't ORIDRAW written in Turbo
Pascal or something?  Has anybody looked at the code to see if it would
be easy to modify it into something a bit more generic (e.g., standard
Pascal)?  Also, does ORIDRAW translate mouse clicks (or something) into
coordinates?  I'm proposing (and here is where people may balk) just
TYPING IN the coordinates.  There would be no "picture" to look at
until after you printed out the resulting PostScript file.  We're
talking rudimentary, here, with the goal of being able to share simple
diagrams (not publication quality) via small files.

Oh, well, thanks for the info--I'll download ORIDRAW onto one of the
department's IBMs and give it a look.

Bob
roos@sophia.smith.edu





Date: Fri, 8 Oct 93 10:05:13 ADT
From: Paco Ojeda_Gonzalez <ffoogg@macmailgw.dfci.harvard.edu>
Subject: Re: Online Origami Zine

Mail*Link(r) SMTP               RE>Online Origami Zine
> Personally, uploading to the WELL was a frustrating (and expensive)
> enterprise.  If all of this was for naught, I'm going to cancel my WELL
> account and keep Online Origami off Internet.
>
> Tom "The Frustrated" Stamm stamm@aol.com

Tom, your efforts are commendable.

I offered before, and I offer again:

1. I have access to AOL as many people do.
2. I have access to the Internet for free due to my place of employment.

I'll gladly upload your Macintosh Zine onto the Internet if you can provide me
with a site to which I can FTP it





Date: Fri, 8 Oct 93 11:10:58 ADT
From: plank@cs.utk.edu
Subject: Some questions from Paul Jackson's book

One for my wife, and one for me...

This concerns the book "Encyclopedia of Origami and Papercraft
Techniques" by Paul Jackson.  This is a book with lots of neat
pictures, but little or no instructons.  I was wondering if anyone
has ever made the 4x4 array of roses that's pictured on page 123.
It says it's by Kawasaki, so I assume that it's some sort of variation
on the Kawasaki rose in Kasahara's book, but how to make it isn't
obvious.  Does anyone have any experience with this piece?  It looks
really neat.

Also, earlier in the book they show a picture of a beautiful modular
piece (an icosidodecahedron made from 30 pieces) by David Mitchell.
Does anyone know of any instructions for this one?  We've got lots of
books with modular origami, but none with this one.

Thanks for any hints,

Jim & Heather Plank
plank@cs.utk.edu / booth@cs.utk.edu





Date: Fri, 8 Oct 93 11:13:33 ADT
From: ab682@leo.nmc.edu (Nancy Nietupski)
Subject: Organizing a new group

        Thanks to all that offered advice about starting a new origami
folders group.  Not having been involved in a group such as this before
it is difficult to know all the questions to ask.  I have a few more
thoughts and any comments would be appreciated.

1.  Is there such thing as too large of a group?  I have not been to any
of the conventions held by the Friends of Origami of America so I was
wondering if they kept groups down to a certain size.  Say for instance
25 people join the group, is it best to split up into smaller groups when
learning and teaching a model?

2.  How do the different skill level of the members effect what is taught?

3.  Is the group generally made up of both children and adults?  Is any
distinction made between what is taught and age level?

4.  This probably varies, How much dues do you pay?

5.  I've never taught origami before except to my son and nephew.  Does anyone
know of a book which talks about what methods to use in teaching?

  And this is just an aside,  I've seen three different methods of folding
the preliminary base and wonder if anyone out there thinks that one is better
than the other.  Is it just personal preference?  There is Montroll's
method, which Tempko uses too.  And then the method which was taught
to me years ago of folding the paper in half from edge to edge, lifting
the bottom corners up and then squashing down the models.  The third
is folding the paper in half from corner to corner and the folding the
triangle in half and squashing down each half. (Excuse the confusing
descriptions).
        Do you find one method to be more precise?

Nancy
ab682@leo.nmc.edu





Date: Fri, 8 Oct 93 11:40:03 ADT
From: "M.J.van.Gelder" <MAARTEN@rc.rug.nl>
Subject: Re: Online Origami Zine

Paco and Tom,

I got the OriZine but it was corrupted (the 'newlines' were corrupted).
So that files has to be FTPed also.

m>> Personally, uploading to the WELL was a frustrating (and expensive)
m>> enterprise.  If all of this was for naught, I'm going to cancel my WELL
m>> account and keep Online Origami off Internet.
m>>
m>> Tom "The Frustrated" Stamm stamm@aol.com
m>
m>Tom, your efforts are commendable.
m>
m>I offered before, and I offer again:
m>
m>1. I have access to AOL as many people do.
m>2. I have access to the Internet for free due to my place of employment.
m>
m>I'll gladly upload your Macintosh Zine onto the Internet if you can provide me
m>with a site to which I can FTP it

I can make an account available on my PC via an FTP server ...
But first: what sizes are the files?

Maarten van Gelder                   M.J.van.Gelder@RC.RUG.NL
Lichtboei 210                        Rekencentrum Rijksuniversiteit RuG
9732 JK  Groningen                   Groningen
Holland                              Holland





Date: Fri, 8 Oct 93 11:57:27 ADT
From: "M.J.van.Gelder" <MAARTEN@rc.rug.nl>
Subject: ORIDRAW and PostScript

ORIDRAW takes a script file to draw diagrams and convert to PostScript.
In the script file you may mark lines by:

   v 0 0  16 0  16 16  0 16  0 0
   r 0 0  8 8

This draws two squares (16 by 16 and 8 by 8).
For the exact sizes you may use two scale factors: one for the scale of the
diagram on the screen and the second for the scale of the screen on the
paper.

Maarten van Gelder                   M.J.van.Gelder@RC.RUG.NL
Lichtboei 210                        Rekencentrum Rijksuniversiteit RuG
9732 JK  Groningen                   Groningen
Holland                              Holland





Date: Fri, 8 Oct 93 12:11:01 ADT
From: lau@desci.wharton.upenn.edu (Yan K. Lau)
Subject: Preliminary fold

Nancy write:
>   And this is just an aside,  I've seen three different methods of folding
> the preliminary base and wonder if anyone out there thinks that one is better
> than the other.  Is it just personal preference?  There is Montroll's
> method, which Tempko uses too.  And then the method which was taught
> to me years ago of folding the paper in half from edge to edge, lifting
> the bottom corners up and then squashing down the models.  The third
> is folding the paper in half from corner to corner and the folding the
> triangle in half and squashing down each half. (Excuse the confusing
> descriptions).
>       Do you find one method to be more precise?

I'm not sure if I've read this in a book or discovered this myself.
I'm not sure if this method is like one of the three above.  I hope this
description makes sense.

I first fold one diagonal.  Then, I flip the paper over and fold the other
diagonal. (Really one diagonal is a valley fold and the other one is a
mountain fold but for some reason I like flipping the paper.)  Then, I fold
the square in half (into rectangles) with two mountain folds.  With the
paper as a rectangle (position of last fold) and holding it at the ends
by bringing your hands together, the paper raises up in the middle and
forms into the preliminary base.

This method is probably not much better than any other.  There is a
conscious choice when making the half rectangle folds on whether the
color side or the white side of the paper should be up.

Yan.

          "I think we're both gonna make it *big*. I am very optimistic."
   )~  Yan K. Lau          lau@desci.wharton.upenn.edu          130.91.161.6
 ~/~   OPIM Department     The Wharton School     University of Pennsylvania
 /\    God/Goddess/All that is -- the source of love, light and inspiration!
