




Date: Thu, 16 Sep 93 20:13:26 ADT
From: hull@cs.uri.edu (Tom Hull)
Subject: Replies and MATH!

Hello everybody!

Re: someone a while back asking about Crawford's ship
     Another book with that ship in it is Eric Kenneway's _Origami:
Paperfolding for Fun_ (a way-cool book). I think it's out of print,
but you might have luck with a library or something.

Re: People who think this list gernerates too much mail.
     Chill out.

Re: Origami and MATH!
     Lots of fun excitement has been coming my way in terms of origami-math.
     Firstly, I've has some great success with my own research in orimath,
and am near completion on a paper called "On the Mathematics of Flat Origamis".
When I'm done I'll see what I can do about getting it on the archives. The
math content is pretty simple (and elegent, I think :), so non-math people
may get a kick out of it too. Snail-mail me a SASE if you want a rough-draft
preview to edit!
     Secondly, I wrote to Toshikazu Kawasaki a while ago, and he just
recently replied, sending me a slew of his origami math papers! Oh joy!
Unfortunately, though, they're (almost) all in Japanese! I'm working on
getting them translated, but if anyone out there can read Japanese and is
math-inclined, send me a note (and some postage $, there are a lot of 'em!)
and I'll make copies for ya. The titles of these jewels (which are in English)
include
     "On the relation between mountain-creases and valley-creases of a flat
origami" (1990)
     "On solid crystallographic origamis" (no date)
     "On Flat Origamis of the 2-Sphere" (no date)
     "On High Dimensional Flat Origamis" (no date)
All are by Kawasaki.
     I should also mention that 2 papers that ARE in English were in a
photocopied sheaf from a BOOK called "Proceedings of the First International
Meeting of Origami Science and Technology." It's dated Dec 6-7 1989 in
Ferrara, Italy and edited by a H. Huzita. Has anyone heard of this conference??
Does anyone have a copy of this book????? The 2 papers that Kawasaki sent me
from this book are
     "On High Dimensional Flat Origamis" pp. 131-141 and
     "On relation between mountain-creases and valley-creases of a flat
origami" pp. 229-237.
     Both are abridged versions of the actual Japanese papers. But this
looks like a substantial book (at least 237 pages!). I want to know what
else is in it! Can anyone offer hints or help?
     ANyone who wants copies of this stuff, snail me a note specifying
what you want, and sone $$ for photocopying and postage would help too, to
          Tom Hull
          Department of Mathematics
          The University of Rhode Island
          Kingston, RI  02881-0816
Prodived that I'm not panicing over my other graduate-student affairs, i'll
get back (make that respond) promptly.

     Oh yeah, as I read these papers, I'll try to describe what they say on
this list. Who knows? It might be scrumptious.
     Later.
-------------------- Tom "lug-nut" Hull





Date: Thu, 16 Sep 93 20:15:36 ADT
From: ackerman <ackerman@dorsai.dorsai.org>
Subject: Re: Why no origami newsgroup

>
> Mail*Link(r) SMTP               RE>Why no origami newsgroup?
> I thought there was going to be a CFD (call for discussion) to start a
> newsgroup called rec.crafts.paper, or rec.crafts.origami on the usenet. Did
> this ever take off/take place?
> Paco
>
> --------------------------------------
> Date: 9/15/93 1:38 PM
> To: Paco Ojeda_Gonzalez
> From: origami-l@nstn.ns.ca
>
> This mailing list generates enough messages a day...

I am new to this but I do know that I am subscribed to some lists that haven't
shown any messages in about a month. Here it seems to come in spurts. Until
Nancy (I don't recall or know if she gave a last name) left a message, this
place was quite quiet. Seems to have woken up now. Having it a part of TINE
rather than ELM would certainly make it easier.

Sheldon Ackerman
ackerman@dorsai.dorsai.org





Date: Thu, 16 Sep 93 20:23:15 ADT
From: andrew@research.att.com
Subject:

        some time back, i asked about folds&paper for
wrapping weddingfavours. the favours were in boxes
roughly 6x4x3/4 in.

        i ended up using tissue paper and a fold from
a japanese book on wrapping gifts. it took a surprising
amount of time to get my template correct; the book's
instructions (on customising for specific sizes) were
hopeless. the only problem i ran into (and it was significant)
was that some rolls of the tissue paper were quite unsquare
(that is, they had no 90deg corners).

        other than that, it was straightforward to fold/wrap
and it took only about 4-5 to do 21 favours. and of course,
even though they looked splendid, no one cared and they all
just ripped the wrapping off.

        never mind...

                     andrew hume





Date: Thu, 16 Sep 93 20:30:24 ADT
From: Bruce Stephens <bruce@liverpool.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Why no origami newsgroup

> I thought there was going to be a CFD (call for discussion) to start a
> newsgroup called rec.crafts.paper, or rec.crafts.origami on the usenet. Did
> this ever take off/take place?
> Paco

Nothing happened after the RFD (request for discussion).  The next stage would
be a CFV, normally, but for whatever reason this hasn't happened yet.

To be honest, there didn't seem to be all that much interest expressed, and
perhaps that's why Paul decided not to try for a vote at that stage.  Things
may be better after the beginning of term.





Date: Thu, 16 Sep 93 20:32:54 ADT
From: creaser@aol.com
Subject: Ship At Sea

Patricia Crawford's "Ship At Sea" appears in the 1984 F.O.C.A. convention
folder (they didn't have numbered pages back then). This in turn was a
reprint from Robert Harbin's "Origami-Step-By-Step" provided by courtesy of
the British Origami Society.  Maybe someone in the BOS knows if they carry a
publication on it.

I also would like to know where to get instructions for her piano, as well as
her Unicorn.  Whatever happened to her, anyway?

Mark
creaser@aol.com





Date: Thu, 16 Sep 93 20:35:37 ADT
From: creaser@aol.com
Subject: Paper Perfection Reflections

Since we seem to be on the topic of idealizations vs. abstractions of
objects within  Origami, I though I'd chip in my 2 centavos. Sometimes
when a model comes out looking particularly tattered (especially after
the 3rd or 4th try) I find myself thinking, "Its not my fault - this
paper just doesn't have the right properties."

So what are the "right" properties?  What are the characteristics that
a PERFECT PIECE OF PAPER would have?  By perfect, I refer to an
imaginary paper-like substance having idealized qualities.  For instance,
the perfect piece of paper would:

...Be infinitely thin.  You wouldn't have to worry about the thickness
of the paper causing edges to not line up.  A real piece of paper can
only be folded in half about 7 times before it becomes too thick for
further folding. The ideal piece of paper could be folded into a fly
speck.

...Have infinite memory.  An edge folded at 30 degrees to the plane
would stay that way - forever! Or, at least until you wanted it
somewhere else.

...Have complete forgetfulness.  A folded edge, when folded back to
the 180 degree plane, would simply disappear.  No more messy lines
cris-crossing your final model.

...Have invocable opacity.  When you wanted to see the details or
operate on an inner section covered by a flap, you could make the flap
transparent.  Or perhaps, the paper would be translucent in the first
place, and over a period of time become opague.

...Be element resistant.  The humidity in the air or from your hands
would not cause edges of Knights (Edge of Knight?) to curl or legs of
giraffes to collapse.  The paper would not oxidize or de-colorize over
time.

There are probably other qualities that could go in this list, but
most would be subsets of one of these characteristics.  There.  Its
not your fault or my fault.  ITS THE PAPER'S FAULT!

Mark
creaser@aol.com





Date: Thu, 16 Sep 93 20:38:23 ADT
From: SOYLENT GREEN <RHUDSON@EDDIE.YORKCOL.EDU>
Subject: RE: Chinese origami

I've seen one by Maying Soong (sp.?) Called. "The art of chinese
paperfolding".. it was basically variations on a few basic forms.. there were a
few decent furniture folds





Date: Thu, 16 Sep 93 20:40:46 ADT
From: SOYLENT GREEN <RHUDSON@EDDIE.YORKCOL.EDU>
Subject: RE: Replies and MATH!

Kenneway's book has poorly drawn diagrams for the ship (basically, precrease
and then mash all the folds together until you get a base!)





Date: Fri, 17 Sep 93 00:20:12 ADT
From: Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>
Subject: Re: Chinese origami

On Thu, 16 Sep 1993, Nancy Nietupski wrote:

> This is a question for Joseph Wu:
>
>       You mentioned that you had a book on Chinese origami.  What type
> of style is it?  Is it a recent creation?

The book on Chinese origami is entirely in Chinese (and, to my shame, I
cannot read it). I am not sure what you mean by "type of style", but the
models are all of Chinese subjects (vegetables, rickshaws, phoenixes, fish,
stylized clouds, etc). Most are very simple, and many involve using several
pieces of paper or cutting. It was written by a Chinese man living in New
York (I forget his name) in 1990 (he is a member of Friends'). I can get
more information on this, but I'll have to pester my Mom again to translate
for me.

>From: SOYLENT GREEN <RHUDSON@EDDIE.YORKCOL.EDU>
>Subject: RE: Chinese origami
>
>I've seen one by Maying Soong (sp.?) Called. "The art of chinese
>paperfolding".. it was basically variations on a few basic forms.. there
>were a few decent furniture folds

I have seen this book also. The only copy of it that I know of (here in
Vancouver) is in the library of the elementary school I went to (which,
unfortunately, I no longer have access to).





Date: Fri, 17 Sep 93 00:31:36 ADT
From: Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>
Subject: Re: unicorn / unit origami / rec.crafts.origami

On Thu, 16 Sep 1993, Fred Curtis wrote:

> =====  unicorn =====
>
> Often when someone found out that I was origami fanatic, they'd
> ask "can you do a unicorn like that guy in Blade Runner?".  After
> this happened a few times I wanted to scream "NO!".  Now I say "yes",
> and proceed to fold the tyranosaurus from Kasahara's "Origami Omnibus".
> When the recipient complains that it isn't a unicorn, I get a paperclip,
> matchstick or some other handy horn substitute and poke it through the
> top of the dinosaur's head.  The reactions vary :-).

I've often been asked this as well. I've never seen Blade Runner, so I
can't say whether I can do it or not. However, I do fold a unicorn--it is
a modification of the two-piece bird-base horse in Kasahara's _Creative_
_Origami_ (my first successful attempt at being creative!). It's very easy
to do. Just fold the mane up into a point above the head and outside
reverse fold it back and forth until you get something like a spiral effect.





Date: Fri, 17 Sep 93 04:10:35 ADT
From: "M.J.van.Gelder" <MAARTEN@rc.rug.nl>
Subject: BOS

I am a member of the BOS.
The BOS is a real living Origami society. Last year the had their 25th
anniversary. On that convention we had about 250 people with about 50 from
outside England.

About addresses of other societies: look in the archives on the file
assocadr.txt. You will find addresses of Origami associations from all over
the world.

Maarten van Gelder                   M.J.van.Gelder@RC.RUG.NL
Lichtboei 210                        Rekencentrum Rijksuniversiteit RuG
9732 JK  Groningen                   Groningen
Holland                              Holland





Date: Fri, 17 Sep 93 04:08:36 ADT
From: "M.J.van.Gelder" <MAARTEN@rc.rug.nl>
Subject: Maying Soong book

"The art of Chinese paperfolding" was also translated to Dutch in about 1950.
It was the first book on folding I got when I was 8 years old. For me it was
the start of folding but not of Origami. That's because in this book you will
find only complete models. No basical folds and techniques like rabbit ear.
Perhaps some of the models are not the same as in the original English book:
one of the models is named "Dutch hat".

Maarten van Gelder                   M.J.van.Gelder@RC.RUG.NL
Lichtboei 210                        Rekencentrum Rijksuniversiteit RuG
9732 JK  Groningen                   Groningen
Holland                              Holland





Date: Fri, 17 Sep 93 05:43:05 ADT
From: s090@brems.ii.uib.no
Subject: Re: gift wrapping

:-> From: andrew@research.att.com
:-> To: Multiple recipients of list <origami-l@nstn.ns.ca>
:-> Subject:
:->
:->     some time back, i asked about folds&paper for
:-> wrapping weddingfavours. the favours were in boxes
:-> roughly 6x4x3/4 in.
:->
[ rip - cut - slash]
:->
:->     other than that, it was straightforward to fold/wrap
:-> and it took only about 4-5 to do 21 favours. and of course,
:-> even though they looked splendid, no one cared and they all
:-> just ripped the wrapping off.
:->
:->     never mind...
:->
:->          andrew hume

You are not the only one who's had such experiences. I learned
myself to wrap gifts without using any tape or string, but mostly
they didn't even notice. The ones that did notice just said 'Oh no
- not another paperfold!'.

       Kjartan Clausen          | "Say, Pooh, why aren't YOU busy?" I said.
  Institutt for Informatikk     | "Because it's a nice day," said Pooh.
    Universitetet i Bergen      | "Yes, but---"
            Norge               | "Why ruin it?" he said.
     s090@brems.ii.uib.no       |





Date: Fri, 17 Sep 93 12:18:13 ADT
From: ab682@leo.nmc.edu (Nancy Nietupski)
Subject: Re: Chinese origami

>
>The book on Chinese origami is entirely in Chinese (and, to my shame, I
>cannot read it). I am not sure what you mean by "type of style", but the
>models are all of Chinese subjects (vegetables, rickshaws, phoenixes, fish,
>stylized clouds, etc). Most are very simple, and many involve using several
>pieces of paper or cutting. It was written by a Chinese man living in New
>York (I forget his name) in 1990 (he is a member of Friends'). I can get
>more information on this, but I'll have to pester my Mom again to translate
>for me.
>
        I was wondering if the Chinese had developed a style that was
distinctly Chinese or if they  built their models on the traditional Japanese
bases.  I'm curious about how different cultures may influence the way
paper folding is done in a certain country.  For instance, is there any
Moslem books out there? Since they can't created any animal or human
forms, they may have developed some interesting geometrical ones. And since
it is possible that origami originated in China, did it developope
differently there?
        I read once that some ancient diagrams were found a while ago,
does anyone know if they were ever published recently?  I wish I could
remember more about them.

Nancy Nietupski
ab682@leo.nmc.edu





Date: Fri, 17 Sep 93 12:33:23 ADT
From: Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>
Subject: Re: Chinese origami

On Fri, 17 Sep 1993, Nancy Nietupski wrote:

>       I was wondering if the Chinese had developed a style that was
> distinctly Chinese or if they  built their models on the traditional Japanese
> bases.  I'm curious about how different cultures may influence the way
> paper folding is done in a certain country.  For instance, is there any
> Moslem books out there? Since they can't created any animal or human
> forms, they may have developed some interesting geometrical ones. And since
> it is possible that origami originated in China, did it developope
> differently there?

There are some distinctly Chinese models, but I would say that the Chinese
have been decidedly uninspired in their paperfolding. Kenneway's book,
_Complete_Origami_from_A_to_Z_, covers some Chinese models as well, describing
the use of paper objects in Taoist funerals, etc. He includes diagrams for
folding ceremonial "gold" ingots for use as offerings to the recently
deceased. The distinctly Chinese models that I can think of are the pagoda
(from a water-bomb base), a two-piece double-blintzed base fish (that is an
action fold), and a fish head/bird skull made from the preliminary base.
There are other models that are commonly considered traditionally Japanese
that are popular with the Chinese. Some of these are still taught parent-to-
child. They include the sampan, the double boat (pinwheel base), and the
sailboat (modification of the double boat). I would argue that what Nancy
calls the "traditional Japanese bases" might just as easily be called the
"traditional Chinese bases", assuming that origami did originate in China.
The Chinese have certainly developed the bases up to the bird base level.

>       I read once that some ancient diagrams were found a while ago,
> does anyone know if they were ever published recently?  I wish I could
> remember more about them.





Date: Fri, 17 Sep 93 18:43:39 ADT
From: andataco!vann@UCSD.EDU (V'Ann Cornelius)
Subject: Re: party wrapping

>
>       other than that, it was straightforward to fold/wrap
> and it took only about 4-5 to do 21 favours. and of course,
> even though they looked splendid, no one cared and they all
> just ripped the wrapping off.
>
>                andrew hume

I folded 100 lotus blossoms out of handmade paper for my son's
wedding. The grandmother of the bride put four almonds in a netting
to fit inside the lotus 'cup'. The table setting took a great picture
but as you observed... very few people figured out what had been
given to them.  I concluded that people in general expect things to
be machine made and expendable and do not know how to look at
craftmanship to identify the value of an object.
For another event for the Folk Art Museum in town, we folded 200
boxes (traditional, with matching lid) and Jackson's horse.  We
announced that these were objects of contemporary Folk Art.
Of course I know that the group was more tuned in because of the
nature of the event, but all the party favors were taken home.

interesting....

-v'ann-                             1828 Dora Drive
                                    Cardiff-by-the-Sea, CA 92007
vann@andataco.com                   (619) 753-9623





Date: Sat, 18 Sep 93 01:19:03 ADT
From: say@sfu.ca
Subject: Re: Why no origami newsgroup

"
" >
" > Mail*Link(r) SMTP               RE>Why no origami newsgroup?
" > I thought there was going to be a CFD (call for discussion) to start a
" > newsgroup called rec.crafts.paper, or rec.crafts.origami on the usenet. Did
" > this ever take off/take place?
" > Paco
" >
" > --------------------------------------
" > Date: 9/15/93 1:38 PM
" > To: Paco Ojeda_Gonzalez
" > From: origami-l@nstn.ns.ca
" >
" > This mailing list generates enough messages a day...
"
" I am new to this but I do know that I am subscribed to some lists that haven't
" shown any messages in about a month. Here it seems to come in spurts. Until
" Nancy (I don't recall or know if she gave a last name) left a message, this
" place was quite quiet. Seems to have woken up now. Having it a part of TINE
" rather than ELM would certainly make it easier.
"
" Sheldon Ackerman
" ackerman@dorsai.dorsai.org

        TOO MUCH MAIL IN ORIGAMI-L FOR NEWS.
        It is time to put the discussions on NetNews and make
        Origami-l a one-way information box.
        Or have someone box up all the messages and do a once a day
        mailing."





Date: Sat, 18 Sep 93 13:15:06 ADT
From: anselmo@thermsa.eng.sunysb.edu (Andrew P. Anselmo)
Subject: Re: once a day mailing!!!

say@sfu.ca writes:

TOO MUCH MAIL IN ORIGAMI-L FOR NEWS.
        It is time to put the discussions on NetNews and make
        Origami-l a one-way information box.
        Or have someone box up all the messages and do a once a day
        mailing."

I second the motion.  Let's see if we can petition the higher powers
that be to get a 'digest' (once-a-day) mailing from the list...

-A.





Date: Sat, 18 Sep 93 22:15:30 ADT
From: Philip Craig Chapman-Bell <pcbell@english.umass.edu>
Subject: Computer assisted origami

Dear E-folders,
        This may be old-hat to some of you, but it struck me as
an interesting discovery, and I thought I'd pass it on.
        Today I downloaded Draft Choice, a CAD (computer assisted
drafting, I think) shareware program from oak.oakland.edu
(\pub\msdos\cad\dc20.zip), and was very pleasantly surprised
to find it extremely easy and satisfying to use.  (And that was
without reading any of the manual, too.)  I wanted a program to
diagram a fold I had discussed with Per the other day, a rather
simple fold, but one requiring about twenty minutes worth of
tedious and persnickety pleating.  I drew a six-inch square on
the screen and used the grids to plot the angles and fold-lines.
Now here's the interesting bit: the program prints out very, very
accurately, id est, a square is really a square and a ll.25
degree angle is really a 11.25 degree angle.  I was using a
clunky old nine-pin dot-matrix, set for high density.  On a
whim, I cut out the diagram and found that the passes and
repasses had weakened the structure of the paper, just as
pre-folding does.  It folded up in five seconds.  Of course, this
is high-tech cheating of a most wicked variety, but such a time
-saver it is.  (My wife points out that this would be useful for
teaching, as well, as the paper would have a predisposition to
fold the way it's supposed to.)  (Might make modular folding
easier, too.)
        Draft Choice allows you to print PostScript output to a file,
which I found compatible with GhostScript.  However, it seemed to
take up a lot of space: one page came out at 60k, as opposed to
35k for Martin vanGelder's complex windmill.  Does anyone know of
a way to translate PostScript files into Encapsulated PostScript
files?  Any help with this would be appreciated, as I'd like to
upload some diagrams of my folds to the archive in Holland, and I
don't know much about Postscript.
        Yours,
               <>Philip Craig Chapman-Bell<>
                     pcbell@english.umass.edu





Date: Sun, 19 Sep 93 13:57:03 ADT
From: creaser@aol.com
Subject: Re: Computer assisted origami

Draft Choice is shareware, but registration cost last time I checked was
around $70.  The retail program Key Cad by Softkey looks an awful lot like it
(at least externally) and can be found for around $30.  Has anyone compared
the two head-on?





Date: Sun, 19 Sep 93 18:25:28 ADT
From: SOYLENT GREEN <RHUDSON@EDDIE.YORKCOL.EDU>
Subject: Re: Computer assisted origami

I've tried KEYCAD.. and from my initial "play" time with draftcad, the latter
looks a bit better ... the menu's, at least, are less intimidating.. I'll let
you know when I'm able to generate a full set of diagrams on either!





Date: Mon, 20 Sep 93 16:22:46 ADT
From: babani@acsu.buffalo.edu
Subject: Re: Database index

Michael Thwaites stated in the last message:
>From server@nstn.ns.ca Mon Sep 20 14:00:08 1993
>From: Michael Thwaites <mjt@stubbs.ucop.edu>

>For instance, there are a number of BASIC programs available in the
>archives. Does anyone know the dialect of Basic that it was written in? I

BASIC programs are usally written in the 'BASICA' version of basic
that is bundled with IBM DOS.  It's conterpart on the MS-DOS side is
GW-BASIC.  For the most part these two BASICprograms are considered
equivalent.  The one diffence is that GW-BASIC will run on ANY IBM
compatable machine, where as BASICA will only work on a ture blue IBM
or almost exact copy compatable.  This is because the actuall code for
BASIC is burned into ROM on a true blue IBM and all BASICA does is tell
the computer to run the code sotred in ROM.

I hope that didn't get to technical.  If you want to find the 'manual'
for it, ask anyone with an IBM compatable computer that still runs
DOS.  The maual comes bundled with DOS, so unless they have a bootleg
copy, they should have a manual.

Rusty

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Date: Mon, 20 Sep 93 16:52:00 ADT
From: Michael Thwaites <mjt@stubbs.ucop.edu>
Subject: Re: Database index

>BASIC programs are usally written in the 'BASICA' version of basic
>that is bundled with IBM DOS.  It's conterpart on the MS-DOS side is
>GW-BASIC.  For the most part these two BASICprograms are considered
>equivalent.  The one diffence is that GW-BASIC will run on ANY IBM
>compatable machine, where as BASICA will only work on a ture blue IBM
>or almost exact copy compatable.  This is because the actuall code for
>BASIC is burned into ROM on a true blue IBM and all BASICA does is tell
>the computer to run the code sotred in ROM.
>
>I hope that didn't get to technical.  If you want to find the 'manual'
>for it, ask anyone with an IBM compatable computer that still runs
>DOS.  The maual comes bundled with DOS, so unless they have a bootleg
>copy, they should have a manual.
>
>Rusty

Thanks rusty - not too technical at all.  If I ever both to convert to
another basic (on the Mac) I'll post the converted code.

Michael Thwaites, UC-DLA    mjt@stubbs.ucop.edu





Date: Tue, 21 Sep 93 01:57:13 ADT
From: stamm@aol.com
Subject: New Origami Video Project

Dorothy Engleman on Santa Monica is putting together a video series for her
community TV and is in search of Models and folders for her project.  More
info can be gotten from the latest "Friends" Newsletter (p.7)

Tom Stamm
STAMM@AOL.COM





Date: Tue, 21 Sep 93 04:15:06 ADT
From: say@sfu.ca
Subject: Re: Chinese origami

" >From: SOYLENT GREEN <RHUDSON@EDDIE.YORKCOL.EDU>
" >Subject: RE: Chinese origami
" >
" >I've seen one by Maying Soong (sp.?) Called. "The art of chinese
" >paperfolding".. it was basically variations on a few basic forms.. there
" >were a few decent furniture folds
"
" I have seen this book also. The only copy of it that I know of (here in
" Vancouver) is in the library of the elementary school I went to (which,
" unfortunately, I no longer have access to).
----------------------reply------------------------------
....but you do have access to the book.
In the Vancouver Public Library Online Public Access Catalogue

    CALLNO   J 745.54 S71a
    AUTHOR    1) Sung, Mei-ying (Hsi)
    TITLE         The art of Chinese paper folding for young and old,  written
                   and illustrated by Maying Soong.
   IMPRINT     New York, Harcourt, Brace [c1948]
 COLLATION     xii, 132 p. illus. 22 cm.

  SUBJECTS      1) Paper work.
Copy status.....
 Author  Sung, Mei-ying (Hsi)
  Title  The art of Chinese paper folding for young ...        Holds:  0

    CALL NUMBER                         STATUS          LIBRARY
  1. YOUTH                              IN PROCESS      VPL - Central Branch
     J 745.54 S71a                      ^Bindery
  2. J 745.54 S71a                      IN              Champlain Heights Branc
  3. J 745.54 S71a                      Due date        Collingwood Branch Libr
                                        07 SEP 93
====================index terms in this library===============

 Index                     Term                               Total   Matches
  Subject--Keyword          PAPER                                258       258
                        and FOLDING                                2         2

                                                        Total matches:       1

                            (1 SUBJECT)                          121       121

 list for               : ORIGAMI

    #   (May be truncated)                                              Titles
      1. Origami -- Juvenile films.                                           1
      2. Origami.                                                            76
      3. Origami -- Juvenile literature.                                      8
 list for               : PAPER WORK

    #   (May be truncated)                                              Titles
      1. Paper work -- Juvenile literature.                                  46
      2. Paper work -- United States -- Exhibitions.                          1
      3. Paper work -- China.                                                 5
      4. Paper work -- Themes, motives -- Exhibitions.                        1
      5. Paper work -- Technique -- Juvenile literature.                      2
      6. Paper work -- China -- Juvenile literature.                          2
      7. Paper work -- Japan.                                                 6
      8. Paper work.                                                        121
      9. Paper work -- Fiction.                                               2
=================== end of list===================

Origami is a relatively new term, Paper folding is two words,
and the 'original' paper work (2 words) covers more than just
modern origami, though most books are on that topic nowadays.





Date: Tue, 21 Sep 93 06:33:26 ADT
From: "M.J.van.Gelder" <MAARTEN@rc.rug.nl>
Subject: Large structures

Fred Curtis writes:

m>The model is made out of units from Tomoko Fuse's book (page 65),
m>modified to allow sharp bends between triangular faces.  Folded from
m>used A4 photocopier paper, the model couldn't be any bigger without
m>sagging under its own weight.  Does anyone have tips for creating
m>really large structures?

I designed units to build an arch. The units were folded from A4 paper (like
you did). The total arch was 2 meter high and you could stand under it. I
took it with me to last FOCA convention. The arch can be assembled and
disassembled again to rebuild it elsewere. All units can be put flat to put
them together in a suitcase (about 3 kilogram). I builded that arch four
times up to now (Lunteren in Holland, London, Toulouse and New York).
The problem with A4 paper is indeed that it is a bit sloppy. Every time I
need to remake some of the units because they are cracked.

I redesigned the units (other dimensions) so we could build a wall of it.
The arch was an open structure, the wall was just a wall. The surface was a
mosaic showing the logo of the OSN (Origami Societeit Nederland) a swan.
The total mosaic was 2 meter high and 2 meter wide and consisted of 2200
units folded by the convention attendees (about 380 people).
The wall will be rebuilt on an exhibition in Madurodam. That exhibition is
from 8 october up to 7 januari.
At our convention that wall only standed for one day. We used special paper
for it (more stif than typewriter paper). But I still wasn't content. Because
of the open structure at the back side the wall was bending somewhat to the
back. To stiffen the total construction we have to fold about 300 units extra
in the next two weeks.

Maarten van Gelder                   M.J.van.Gelder@RC.RUG.NL
Lichtboei 210                        Rekencentrum Rijksuniversiteit RuG
9732 JK  Groningen                   Groningen
Holland                              Holland





Date: Wed, 22 Sep 93 08:44:39 ADT
From: ab682@leo.nmc.edu (Nancy Nietupski)
Subject: FOLD magazine

        I seen FOLD magazine mentioned a couple of times and I was
wondering if some one could give me some info on it.  Is it connected
with the Friends of the Origami Center of America?

Thanks,
Nancy Nietupski
ab682@leo.nmc.edu





Date: Wed, 22 Sep 93 09:53:01 ADT
From: roos@sophia.smith.edu (Bob Roos)
Subject: Re: FOLD

FOLD is not connected in any way with the Friends.

FOLD is an "amateur press alliance," or APA, similar to the "fanzines"(?)
that are often published by science-fiction lovers.  It was begun by
Deborah Claypool, who got the idea from an SF zine (I think it was called
"MYRIAD", but I'm not sure).  The principle is so simple, it's amazing
more people don't do something like it:

        Every issue (in the case of FOLD, every other month), each
        member (there are 20) sends in 20 photocopies of his or her
        contribution (called a "zine") to the member who has been
        elected editor for that year.  The editor collects the zines
        from the individual members, collates them, binds them, and
        mails them back out.  Each member contributes annual dues to
        offset the expenses of binding and mailing. It's that simple!

The individual contributions often consist primarily of responses to
the articles presented in earlier issues of FOLD; however, people also
contribute original diagrams, clippings from newspapers about origami
displays, original stories about paper folding, teaching origami classes,
related paper crafts, ....

FOLD has been around for fifty semimonthly issues (about eight years).
Membership in FOLD is limited to 20; I believe it is currently fully
subscribed, so there isn't any way you can receive it.

                     ***** HOWEVER ...  *****

... there is NO REASON IN THE WORLD why another 5, or 10, or 20, or however
many people, couldn't start up something similar.  It seems like
"ORIGAMI-L" is the perfect place for someone (who is willing to volunteer to be
the first editor) to advertise for members for a similar undertaking, set
some dues, and collect names and addresses of those interested in
participating.  The first issue could be composed of biographies of the
members and a contest to name the publication.

I am NOT volunteering.  I'm just posing this as a possibility some others
might like to explore.  I'd be happy to provide additional details of
FOLD's rules, dues, etc., for anyone considering starting something
similar.

Bob Roos
roos@sophia.smith.edu





Date: Wed, 22 Sep 93 10:21:11 ADT
From: ab682@leo.nmc.edu (Nancy Nietupski)
Subject: Re: Chinese origami

Earlier Joseph Wu said:

>
>There are some distinctly Chinese models, but I would say that the Chinese
>have been decidedly uninspired in their paperfolding. Kenneway's book,
>_Complete_Origami_from_A_to_Z_, covers some Chinese models as well, describing
>the use of paper objects in Taoist funerals, etc. He includes diagrams for
>folding ceremonial "gold" ingots for use as offerings to the recently
>deceased. The distinctly Chinese models that I can think of are the pagoda
>(from a water-bomb base), a two-piece double-blintzed base fish (that is an
>action fold), and a fish head/bird skull made from the preliminary base.
>There are other models that are commonly considered traditionally Japanese
>that are popular with the Chinese. Some of these are still taught parent-to-
>child. They include the sampan, the double boat (pinwheel base), and the
>sailboat (modification of the double boat). I would argue that what Nancy
>calls the "traditional Japanese bases" might just as easily be called the
>"traditional Chinese bases", assuming that origami did originate in China.
>The Chinese have certainly developed the bases up to the bird base level.
>
        I always read that the bird base was a Japanese creation, as well
as the frog base.  Peter Engel wrote in _Folding the Universe_, "The
Tokugawa period [1603-1867] saw the emergence of the bird base, documented in
the oldest surviving publication on origami, the _Senbazuru Orkata_ ("How
the publication in 1845 of the _Kan no Mado_ ("Window on Midwinter"), the
first comprehensive collection of origami figures, which includes the first
appearance of the frog base." pg. 20.
        Now it may be possible that these bases came from China because the
author of the book probably didn't invent the bases but there is no *evidence*
that they came from China.  At least in the research that I've done in my
limited collection of origami books.  Is there some new ideas out there on
origin of these bases?

Nancy
ab682@leo.nmc.edu





Date: Wed, 22 Sep 93 10:36:56 ADT
From: ab682@leo.nmc.edu (Nancy Nietupski)
Subject: Re: FOLD

Bob Wrote:

>
>                     ***** HOWEVER ...  *****
>
>... there is NO REASON IN THE WORLD why another 5, or 10, or 20, or however
>many people, couldn't start up something similar.  It seems like
>"ORIGAMI-L" is the perfect place for someone (who is willing to volunteer to be
>the first editor) to advertise for members for a similar undertaking, set
>some dues, and collect names and addresses of those interested in
>participating.  The first issue could be composed of biographies of the
>members and a contest to name the publication.
>
>I am NOT volunteering.  I'm just posing this as a possibility some others
>might like to explore.  I'd be happy to provide additional details of
>FOLD's rules, dues, etc., for anyone considering starting something
>similar.
>
>Bob Roos
>roos@sophia.smith.edu
>
>
        I love the idea!  But I have no experience in editing - so hopefully
there is some out there who does????!!!  Here is one person who would like
to help start such a group.  Any others?

Nancy
ab682@leo.nmc.edu





Date: Wed, 22 Sep 93 13:33:56 ADT
From: Lillian Sun <Lillian_Sun@mail.amsinc.com>
Subject: Hello! FOLD, indeed!

          Hello!  I have been pretty lax about contributing to this
          board (not too difficult, since I was a student for the past
          four years).  But now that I am somewhat settled into my new
          life as a systems engineer, I would like to also express my
          interest in putting out a publication similar to FOLD.

          I tried to start an origami club at the University of
          Pennsylvania, and two casual folding friends and I put up
          hundreds of flyers with actual models glued to the ads.
          Unfortunately, I don't think the Penn community was ready
          for a group like the one I'd envisioned (doing all sorts of
          neat projects, going to volunteer at childrens shelters and
          retirement home leading demos and workshops, *sigh*).  Might
          I suggest that other students folders on this bulletin board
          perhaps attempt to do something similar?

          I am glad to see the resurging interest and news on this
          board... for a while, there wasn't much buzz about.

          Anyway, I do have editing and publishing experience, and
          would love to contribute.  Now all we need are a few more
          interested folders to participate!  Any international
          folders out there who are also interested?

          And since I'm posting, if there are any folders in the
          Metropolitan DC/Northern VA area who would like to talk
          folding, please give me a call.  Perhaps we can start
          something down this way.

          Hoping to hear others' thoughts...

          Lillian Sun
          1 (800) 543-5607 ext. 6414





Date: Wed, 22 Sep 93 16:08:47 ADT
From: stamm@aol.com
Subject: Re: FOLD magazine

FOLD is an APA (Amatuer Press Alliance) style zine.  The
distribution is limited to the contributers.  There is a
current cap of 20 people, although right now there are
really 21 contributers.

Each member does a zine (like a newsletter -- sort of)
with a minimum of 4 pages every 2 months.  They make 25
copies of their zine and send it to the "Editor" who
assembles the zine and distributes it. Some copies are
"filed" and I think a copy is send to the "friends"
library.  A copy used to be sent to Lillian Oppenheimer.
(ps - dues of $25 a year cover mailing and assembling
charges).

Most of the members are in the East U.S., one in Texas, one in Idaho and two
in England.

Topics cover Origami diagrams,  Mathematics of Origami,
History or Origami,  Computers with Origami, Personal
comments, and anythnig else someone would like to say
(about anything) ... There is even a Origami Dective
Story currently being run as a serial.

The current "Editor" is Michael LaFosse (170 Margin
St.,Haverhill, MA., 01832).  May I suggest to write to
him if you wish to get on the waiting list.

The reason for the limited distribution basically comes
down to the fact that most writers for fold respnd
individually to each other's comments and they feel that
is would be too difficult to respond to more than 20
people in the two month cycle.  I 'suppose if there  is
enough interest a second "sister" APA could be started.

Finally,  There is a infant, embrionic open zine called
"Online Origami" currently distributed on America
Online, CompuServe and V'Ann's Origami BBS.  The zine is
for fun and glory and no $$$.  The goal is to have at
least 50% of the zine diagrams. If you are interested in
participating or just curious, EMAIL me directly.

Sincerly
Tom Stamm
STAMM@AOL.COM





Date: Wed, 22 Sep 93 17:16:55 ADT
From: say@sfu.ca
Subject: Re: Origin of paper-folding bases

Harbin, pace Legman, finds some sources in Spain for independent
creation of  bases, though they were considered models and not
bases.
Too bad Legman went off on a tangent after bringing Yoshizawa to
prominence.





Date: Wed, 22 Sep 93 16:31:18 ADT
From: Bruce Stephens <bruce@liverpool.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: FOLD magazine

Tom Stamm said:
> Finally,  There is a infant, embrionic open zine called
> "Online Origami" currently distributed on America
> Online, CompuServe and V'Ann's Origami BBS.  The zine is
> for fun and glory and no $$$.  The goal is to have at
> least 50% of the zine diagrams. If you are interested in
> participating or just curious, EMAIL me directly.

Could it not simply be put in our archive?  (That would mean even
more fun and glory for the participants!)

> Sincerly
> Tom Stamm
> STAMM@AOL.COM

Bruce                   Institute of Advanced Scientific Computing
bruce@liverpool.ac.uk   University of Liverpool





Date: Thu, 23 Sep 93 12:04:12 ADT
From: Lillian Sun <Lillian_Sun@mail.amsinc.com>
Subject: Re[2]: FOLD magazine

Hello!

Well, it appears that a few of us are willing to have a go at this business of
putting out a publication similar to FOLD.

We are still getting things organized, but would love to hear from those of you
out there who are interested in participating.

Please send your name, phone number, and snail mail, as well as any suggestions,
to:

Lillian_Sun@mail.amsinc.com
1(800)543-5607
11th floor
1777 N. Kent Street
Arlington, VA 22209





Date: Thu, 23 Sep 93 12:33:29 ADT
From: Rusty Babani <babani@acsu.buffalo.edu>
Subject: FOLD mag

As far as the FOLD 'magazine' is concerned...

How about putting out an 'electronic' version of it.  Postscript files
can be the medium.  One person would be the editor (translating the
pictures to postscript files and coallating text together).  Since we
already have an FTP site, distributing it should be no problem... This
would reduce postage costs considerably.  As for the people who don't
have postscript printers, they could speak with some of the people on
the list so that they can get mailed a hard-copy.

Was this adea already suggested... and I missed it?

Rusty

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 93 12:40:14 ADT
From: Jeremy.Uejio@Eng.Sun.COM (Jeremy Y Uejio)
Subject: Re: Re[2]: FOLD magazine

I'm very interested.

        Jeremy Uejio (pronounced oo-ay-jo)
        88 Meadowbrook Drive
        San Francisco, CA 94132
        (415) 661-6836
        email:  jeremy.uejio@eng.sun.com

I use a Macintosh and I also have a laserwriter at home if that is of
any use to our new zine.   (Of course I use a Sun Workstation at work! :-)

                          jeremy





Date: Thu, 23 Sep 93 16:28:07 ADT
From: stamm@aol.com
Subject: Re: FOLD mag

> How about putting out an 'electronic' version of it.  > Postscript files
can be the medium.  One person would
> be the editor (translating the pictures to postscript
> files and coallating text together).  Since we already
> have an FTP site, distributing it should be no
> problem... This would reduce postage costs
> considerably.  As for the people who don't have
> postscript printers, they could speak with some of the
> people on the list so that they can get mailed a
> hard-copy.

I don't think is would be practical to publish FOLD as postscript files
because of the diverse publlishing methods of the contributers.  FOLD is 1/2
to 3/4 of an inch thick (every two months).  Also its distribution is
"limited" becouse of the personal messages enclosed.

HOWEVER, You may be interested in Online Origami, an Online Zine I also
publish (currently on American Online, CompuServe and V'Ann's Origami BBS).
I haven't figured out the best ways to send a binary file over Internet
(being a near internet virgin).

As of file formats, Postscript files a HUGE. The first issue of "Online
Origami" (3 pages of text and 3 pages of diagrams) was composed in Microsoft
Word (on a Mac) this is how the file sizes broke down for that issue:

Original MS Word                                 96K
(For Mac users) Common Ground(300dpi)  ***      136K
(For PC users) GIF files ZIPped together (72dpi) 84K
Postscript                                      976K

*** 64K of the 136 was the embedded MiniViewer Application.

No Hands Software who publish Comoon Ground will be coming out with a free
MiniViewer for Windows in mid-
November.  When that is released I will probably use Common Ground as the
sole file format for "Online Origami"

Tom Stamm
stamm@aol.com





Date: Thu, 23 Sep 93 17:38:39 ADT
From: SOYLENT GREEN <RHUDSON@EDDIE.YORKCOL.EDU>
Subject: RE: FOLD mag

Maybe you should put it in a different format.. i don't know if postscript is
that widespread (is there, by any chance, a postscript displayer/editor
available via shareware).. enough so enough people would benefit from it..





Date: Thu, 23 Sep 93 20:45:45 ADT
From: Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>
Subject: The Internet as a Regional Group?

In the latest issue of the Regional Group Exchange, Tom Stamm (stamm@aol.com)
suggested having the 'Net listed as a "(virtual?) regional group". I
think, however, that the folders on the 'Net (and members of this mailing
list in particular) do not constitute a regional group. The biggest
problem is, of course, the word "regional". What region do we represent?
We do not have regular meetings, we do not fold together, we do not have
any sort of organization whatsoever (aside from the structure of the
mailing list itself).

Another question I have for Tom is, why weren't we (the actual people on
the 'Net) told about this? It seems a bit presumptuous to me for you to go
and do this without consultation with anyone here. Perhaps I simply missed
whatever announcement you made about this, and, if so, I sincerely
apologise. But I really think that such a move must be discussed here
before it can be carried any further. I've put in my $0.02. Any other
comments/opinions (as if I had to ask! 8) )?
