





Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1992 20:39:22 -0500 (EST)
From: wbfst1@cislabs.pitt.edu
Subject: Pittsburgh PA folders

Hi.  I'm from (and in) the Pittsburgh area, and would like to get together
with other folders locally.  Unfortunately, the Pittsburgh Origami Assn.
meets at time when I have class.  I'd like perhaps to contact some other
folders, maybe get together for a folding-lunch or such like.  Maybe someone
who goes to the Pittsburgh Origami group's meetings could talk to someone
there or send me their phone number or such..?  Thanks

wbfst1+@pitt.edu           Wbfst1@USCN.BITNET           hobbes@rever.nmsu.edu






Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 07:51:24 -0500
From: rh398@csc.albany.edu (Rich)
Subject: currency models (money)

 hi all....

    I think I've mastered the peacock fold with the dollar bill, found
 in the models directory at rc.info.rug.nl.  I was curious, are there
 any origami books that deal exclusively with making models from
 dollar bills?  It's great always having your folding paper with you.
 (Though I don't have a lot of it!) ;)

 ---Rich






Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 11:29:41 PST
From: awong@cns.caltech.edu (A Lyons)
Subject: Re:  currency models (money)

There's only one book I found that deals exclusively with folding
paper money that's entitled (sure enough) "Folding Money".  I forget
the author's name.  The book was in bad condition (it was in a private
library) and I don't believe it was ever reprinted.  Folding US bills
used to be popular in the 1940s.  Bartenders used to do this, I'm told.
Most of the folds wouldn't work with foreign currency because of the
location of the president's picture or location of the denomination
of the bill will be different depending on the country.

Rich, I'm surprised you found the peacock fold!  Please give me more
details on how to access the archives.  I'm rather new on this list.

Al
awong@cns.caltech.edu






Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 12:19:07 -0600
From: Brad Blumenthal <brad@bert.eecs.uic.edu>
Subject: currency models (money)

The Friends of the Origami Center of America (used to?) advertise a
couple of books on money folds.  The one about folding the alphabet is
pretty lame, but it is all money folds.  The best money folds I've
found are in the Annual Collections.

Does anyone else but me notice that the mint issues new dollar bills
about every 6-9 months?  I can almost predict when the new stuff will
start showing up in day to day transactions.

Take care,
brad






Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 17:18:17 PST
From: andataco!vann@UCSD.EDU (V'Ann Cornelius)
Subject: Re:  currency models (money)

About Folding with Money...

I have three books:
THE FOLDING MONEY BOOK by Adolfo Cerceda. The 8th edition was printed
in 1981 (the original was produced in 1963.) 32 pages, stapled.

It contains the famous bow tie, finger ring, flapping bird,
frame with doors (a mitred from around the president's pix),
a peacock with a lateral fan-folded tail and two legs,
frog, and santa's boots.

THE MAGIC OF FOLDING MONEY by Bill Caruba. The copy I have is a first
edition published in 1979. 57 pages

It contains a crap table, 2-d dice, ring, spade, pistol, rifle, longhorn,
a christmas tree, a rabbit's head and several variations on reducing the
size of the bill.

FOLDING MONEY edited by Sam Randlett. 4th printing 1979 (original = 1968).
It includes the work of Victor Frenkil, John Nordquist, Robert Neale, and
Neale Elias.  127 pages (spiral bound)

The first section is the alphabet. Then it includes a chicken, bikini, crown,
puppet, frog, modular star, rings, church, high heel, tree,cardigan, and
a credible elephant.  all 2-d.

I have heard about BILL FOLDS by Al O'Hagan published in the 1940's.

Many very interesting money folds are in the Friends convention book, as
Brad mentioned.






Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 02:54:00 -0500
From: Bob Nienhuis <IBFIRBN@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU>
Subject: Introduction

Hello all!

My name is Bob Nienhuis and I have just subscribed (I think) to this
mailing list.

I work at the Sepulveda Veterans Hospital here in the San
Fernando Valley (a suburb of Los Angeles). I do research in sleep
disorders (an area growing in importance in our aging veteran
population).

My first introduction to Origami came from a demonstration I saw in
a High School assembly, and Martin Gardner's Mathematical Games column
in Scientific American magazine in the mid-sixties. Gardner presented
folding diagrams for the Flapping Bird and the Hopping Frog, and I was
hooked. Anyone else out there old enough to remember that?

Currently, I tend to specialize in dollar bill folds, and have
developed a number of original models.

I have developed several dollar bill models based on Kasahara's
Elephant, including a pig, a camel and a rhinoceros. I find that
Kasahara's Elephant is a good base for making four legged animals
from a single bill.

I have also created several other dollar bill models using other
bases. I have a flapping (sort of) dollar bill Butterfly, Christmas
Tree, simple striking Snake, and a dollar bill Dolphin of which I am
reasonably proud.

I tend to prefer simple models. I guess I strive for (and hardly ever
even approach) models that abstract the essence of the subject, that
display that essence with an elegant simplicity. As you might guess,
that is awfully hard to achieve! I guess I strive for the kind of
simple elegance one sees in Japanese paintings or gardens.

Further philosophical musings... It seems to me that the art of
Origami demonstrates very well that the human mind is at its best
when working within constraints. I offer poetry and music as further
examples. It seems to me (somewhat counterintuitively) that totally
free form poetry, music or other arts usually miss the mark, and
structured art forms (like the sonata in music or sonnet or haiku
in poetry) can hit it.

Anyway, I have been somewhat inactive for the last few years, so
I hope that this group will re-awaken my (constrained) creativity
and interest.

Happy Folding!
Bob Nienhuis
   IBFIRBN@mvs.oac.ucla.edu (Internet)
or Bob.Nienhuis@mcws.fidonet.org (Fidonet gateway)






Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 02:40:00 -0500
From: Bob Nienhuis <IBFIRBN@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU>
Subject: Fidonet

>Hello, Bob!
>I just saw your not on the origami internet news. I noticed that you
>have listed a fidonet address. Do you know of any "ORIGAMI" bbs
>on fidonet?

Hello, V'annm,
I haven't seen any. But, I understand that it is possible to set up
a "gateway" between a Fidonet echo and a Usenet mailing list. We
have one here in my local area that I get much of my usenet feed
from.

I subscribe to another mailing list that is trying to get such a
system set up. The advantage is that Fidonet nodes are generally
much easier and cheaper to access, thus substantially widening
ones potential audience.

Perhaps the Origami list could do the same thing.

Happy Folding!
Bob Nienhuis
   IBFIRBN@mvs.oac.ucla.edu      (Internet)
or Bob.Nienhuis@mcws.fidonet.org (Fidonet)






Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 13:06:38 EST
From: hull@cs.uri.edu (Tom Hull)
Subject: More fun and snuggly wobbles

Reply to Julia:
     Yep. The FOCA convention books (and anything else that they sell)
are available to non-Friends members, but you won't get the membership
discount.  Wriote (sorry) Write to them and ask for a catalog (send
a SASE if you want a prompt reply!).  They also sell paper and re (sorry
again) rare books.
     Actually, I think becoming a member is totally worth it.  You get
the quarterly newsletter (with orinfo and folds in it), you're kept
informed about all the conventions and Folding Fun Fests that occur,
plus they send you fun stuff every once in a while (this past
Christmas they asked members to send them butterflies for their annual
tree. They supplied the diagrams and paper.) All that, PLUS a membership
card (!), for only $25!!  Wow!!!

On money folds:
     All I know is that Bob Neale is a money-folding GOD!  I know this
because I'm working with him on a book right now.  He's been trying to
publish a new book of money folds, called "Folding Money/Money Fooling",
but no publisher has bitten yet.  The books got some killers, too,
like a money cobra that really strikes (an action model)!  If all else
fails he may let the Friends publish it.  Something to look forward to.

     Just a remindert: all new folks to the list soxxx (oops) should
write a blerb about themselves, their life, and what origami means to
their spiritual well-being.  Any origami jokes are also appreciated.

 Have fun!
---------------------------Tom "too funky" Hull






Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 19:15:40 PST
From: vann@andataco.com
Subject: Re:  Fidonet

>> Hello, V'Ann,
>> I haven't seen any. But, I understand that it is possible to set up
>> a "gateway" between a Fidonet echo and a Usenet mailing list. We
>> have one here in my local area that I get much of my usenet feed
>> from.
>>

>> Perhaps the Origami list could do the same thing.
>>
>> Happy Folding!
>> Bob Nienhuis

Thanks, Bob.  I'm working with some young people who are using
Telegard Bulletin Board Software. I may bring the subject up again.
V'Ann






Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 19:28:21 PST
From: vann@andataco.com
Subject: Re:  Origami

>> From: "Garland E. Dovel" <ucsd!mwc.vak12ed.edu!gdovel>
>>
>> Please send me any information on origami.  My fellow geometry
>> teachers and I are very interested!
>> Thanks
>>
Garland,

Do you and your geometry cohorts use origami in your math classes?
If so, what models do your students like?

Have you pursued the fun use of pythagorean theory on determining
the size of model that can be made from a square of any size?

How about determining an algebraic phrase to communicate the size
of paper needed to make a model?

-v'ann-                             1828 Dora Drive
                                    Cardiff-by-the-Sea, CA 92007
vann@andataco.com                   (619) 753-9623






Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 13:36:01 EST
From: Jim West <west@moe.optics.rochester.edu>
Subject: Non-animal folds

Hi.  Just thought that I would try to generate a little more
discussion on this list.  I have noticed that the vast majority
of origami models are of animals and other living things.  I
can think of many reasons for this and I think that it is these
models which drew me to origami in the first place.  However
what interests me is the lack of good models of inanimate things
other that geometric figures.

 There have always been the simple waterbombs, boats and
salt cellars but I have seen very few realistic inanimate models
of the caliber of the recent Lang or Montroll animal figures.
Lang's "Complete Book of Origami" has some very intricate models
but it seems that only in his biplane has he achieved the level
of folding which we see in his later books.  I don't mean to
sound too critical of the other models in this book because they
are quite wonderful but they require a great deal of effort and
patience and dont yield the crisp, elegant lines of the classic
origami model.  The biplane is an exception and the book is worth
buying just for this beautiful model.

 Peter Engel's "Folding the Universe" is another impressive
book but again the models require some folds which require at least
three dimensions if not four or five.  However a notable exception
is his valentine (heart pierced by an arrow) which is hard to beat.

 These are my favourite inanimate models along with an
intriguing car out of some big thick book with many simplistic
models (Origami Omnibus?).  I would like to hear of other models
which other folders have found interesting along the non-animal,
non-geometric lines.  Also what inanimate things do you think lend
themselves to good origami models?

Jim West
west@moe.optics.rochester.edu

ps.  When I looked in Peter Engel's book this morning I saw a
     model by Jun Maekawa of a devil (pg. 37).  It looks great
     and I am interested in finging out more about this folder.
     Does anyone know of any books of his folds?  Engel says he
     is a physicist so I suspect that he even has an e-mail
     address.






Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 09:46:28 PST
From: andataco!vann@UCSD.EDU (V'Ann Cornelius)
Subject: Re:  Non-animal folds

>> Subject: Non-animal folds
>> From: Jim West  <ucsd!moe.optics.rochester.edu!west>
>> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 13:36:01 EST
>>
>> what interests me is the lack of good models of inanimate things
>> other that geometric figures.
>>
>>  These are my favourite inanimate models along with an
>> intriguing car out of some big thick book with many simplistic
>> models (Origami Omnibus?).  I would like to hear of other models
>> which other folders have found interesting along the non-animal,
>> non-geometric lines.  Also what inanimate things do you think lend
>> themselves to good origami models?
>>
Jim, Several of us are documenting origami models that are currently
being published. We have 1100 done so far. When I sorted them by category,
I found that the non-living models in those 29 books are
   clothing (shoes, hats, jewelry, purses/wallets
   containers ( bags, baskets, boxes, bowls/dishes, vases
   decorations (ornaments, table accessories
   furniture (chairs, sofas, tables, lamps
   masks
   mythology
   objects (books, frames, matchbox [really opens], pipe, nail clippers,scissors
   stationary (cards, business card holders, envelops
   toys
   vehicles (cars, boats, planes, sleds

The models are mostly lower intermediate in difficulty. The more challenging
work seems to be coming from Italy.  Jeremy Shafer from San Francisco is
very creative on things like scissors that work but he has not diagrammed his
work yet.
I am looking forward to seeing other people's comments. You question is
very interesting... what inanimate objects do lend themselves to modeling
with folded paper...?

-v'ann-                             1828 Dora Drive
                                    Cardiff-by-the-Sea, CA 92007
vann@andataco.com                   (619) 753-9623






Date: 6 Jan 93 14:10 -0800
From: Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>
Subject: Jun Maekawa

Tom "studerbager" Hull <hull@cs.uri.edu> writes:
>     You're right, Jun Maekawa is an increadably rocking origami dude.
>He's Japanese, though, and that's why you probably never heard of him
>before.
>
>     I've found stuff by him in only a couple of books:
>     "Origami for the Connesuer(sp?)" by Takahama & Kasahara is a grteat
>book in itself, but also features several Maekawa folds, including a
>slew of bizzarre geometrics and a bunch of vegetables!  Add these to
>your "inanimate object" quest.  Specifically, there's a raddish, an
>eggplant, and something else that I can't remember right now.

I beg to differ, but the vegetables and other "inanimate objects"
in "Origami for the Connoisseur" are by T. Kawasaki (I forget how
to spell his first name). In that book he has a raddish (the
Japanese _daikon_ raddish, which is more like a western turnip),
bell peppers, flower-cut hard-boiled eggs, a pinecone, and two
aircraft models (stealth fighter and space shuttle), amongst
other things. Maekawa's contributions to that book include the
Malay tapir, the clapper rail, and the Java sparrow. (I may be
mistaken about the last two...this is from memory <grin>...)

Joseph Wu    <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>   | Witty quote is now back to the
Master's Candidate             |   drawing board due to squeamish
University of British Columbia |   readers. Any suggestions?






Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 16:05:45 EST
From: hull@cs.uri.edu (Tom Hull)
Subject: Jun Maekawa

Reply to Jim West:
     You're right, Jun Maekawa is an increadably rocking origami dude.
He's Japanese, though, and that's why you probably never heard of him
before.

     I've found stuff by him in only a couple of books:
     "Origami for the Connesuer(sp?)" by Takahama & Kasahara is a grteat
book in itself, but also features several Maekawa folds, including a
slew of bizzarre geometrics and a bunch of vegetables!  Add these to
your "inanimate object" quest.  Specifically, there's a raddish, an
eggplant, and something else that I can't remember right now.
     "Origami Omnibus" by Kasahara has a few Maekawa folds, I believe.
It even talks about Maekawa's "crease pattern" way of diagramming his
folds, and a couple of "origami theorems" that Maekawa developed (such
as: the sum of the opposite angles in the crease pattern about a flat
point (a vertex in the crease pattern) always equals 180 degrees. )
     But the real showcase of Maekawa's work (and only one, as far as
I know) is "Viva Origami!" by Kasahara and Maekawa.  This book is the
one with that INSANE devil in it, and I HIGHLY, HIGHLY recommend this
awesome book -- with precautions.  Firstly, it's in Japanese, and hasn't
been translated as far as I know.  Second, many of the folds (including
the said devil) skip steps, assuming that you can fill in the gaps.
But WAIT, it's not as bad as you think.  In fact, I consider the
diagrams in this book to be excellent, not knowing Japanese proved not
to be a problem, since the pictures were so clear.  But it is an
ADVANCED book, and very worth the while to work through (the folds,
though complex, are all very elegant).

     Well, that's just about everything I know concerning Jun Maekawa.
If you want to get "Viva Origami!", you'll have to do it through the
Friend's mailing order-thing, which I talked (typed) about last time.
Japanese publications are rarely found in American bookstores.

About the inanimate object thing:
     I remember seeing a whole book of "Cars, Tranes, and Planes" type of
folds.  It was a Japanese book by someone with a name like "Fujiwara"
or something.  I guess that classifies as inanimate.  Or better yet,
look at some of Paul Jackson's work.  His stuff can border on pure
sculpture (i.e., abstracts and such).  He has a new book out called
"An Encyclopedia of Papercraft Tequniques", which focuses of origami
in a big way.  I only saw this book once (before Christman, so I
couldn't buy it!), and it impressed the hell out of me!
     I, for one, would like to see an origami bannana.
     I don't think folding inanimate objects is any more of a challenge
than animate objects.  People just think that animate subjects are more
fun!  Certainly "action folds", which are way animate, have a special
place in the heart of origamists, because they're like little toys.
You can DO SOMETHING with 'em, and that makes it all the more
appealing.  Think of it this way: if you had a 6-year old kid in
front of you, and you folded her a chair and a monkey, which do you
think the kid will be more excited about?
     I'd be excited if I saw an origami bannana, but maybe that's just
me.
     Anyway.......
--------------- Tom "studerbager" Hull






Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 22:01:30 CST
From: Douglas Alan Zander <zander@csd4.csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: Complex models. Was Re: Jun Maekawa

>
> I happen to have "Origami for the Connoisseur" right in front of me:
>
  <some deleted>
>
> I've folded the regular tetrahedron and two of the Seven Geometric Forms.
> I really enjoy this book and am working on Montrolls Stegosaurus, but I
> haven't quite got the hang of it yet...
>
>     jeremy

  Hi all,

    Jeremy refers to Montroll's Stegosaurus as being in "Origami for the
  Connoisseur"; is this the same stegosaurus model also found in Montroll's
  "Prehistoric Origami: Dinosaurs and Other Creatures"?   Does anyone
  know if Montroll published models in any books *other* than his own;
  (that are not in his regular books)?  Also, I'm wondering if anyone has
  suggestions of other designers of high-intermediate/complex level models;
  (I enjoy the more challenging folds like a Montroll or a Lang  :-)

  Jeremy, I've found the hard part is after when the model is no longer
  symmetrical, it can get confusing; I also believe that if the twist is
  not done perfectly exact, one may "run out" of paper and have no room
  left for the proper formation of the legs and feet.  This was my problem
  for awhile.  Please use direct email to respond if you wish.

  Thanks all,
  Douglas Zander
  zander@csd4.csd.uwm.edu






Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 01:45:25 GMT
From: Jeremy.Uejio@Eng.Sun.COM (Jeremy Y Uejio)
Subject: Re: Jun Maekawa

I happen to have "Origami for the Connoisseur" right in front of me:

The models by Jun Maekawa in this book:

Hourglass
Extraterrestrial Being
Regular Tetrahedron
Seven Geometric Forms
Dodecahedron Unit
Clapper Rail
Malay Tapir

I've folded the regular tetrahedron and two of the Seven Geometric Forms.
I really enjoy this book and am working on Montrolls Stegosaurus, but I
haven't quite got the hang of it yet...

    jeremy






Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 14:32:27 EST
From: hull@cs.uri.edu (Tom Hull)
Subject: more iffolopogi

Re: complex folders

     Firstly, I "think" (I could be wrong) that all of Montroll's stuff
that appeared in any anthology was eventually reprinted in one of
Montroll's books.  So if you have all of his books (there are six so
far I believe) then you have the definitive Montroll collection.  The
only thing I may be wrong about here is that perhaps there were some
folds that appeared in Friends annual collections (or newsletters) which
never made it to a book, but I can't think of any examples of this.

     Secondly, there are many complex folders out there, but only a few
(the most prolific ones) get to make books of their folds.  So
Robert Lang, John Montroll, Jun Maekawa have gotten this far, no one
else (as far as my selective mind can tell right now).  However, other
names to look out for are Marc Kirshembaum (sp?), Mark Kennedy, David Shaw,
and bunches of others (including a group of Japanese youths called
Origami Detectives who had a WILD display at the last Friends convention)
Folds by these people, who don't get published often, can be found in
the Friends annual collection books.  Also, every once and a while some
books of folds from these convention (annual collection, that is) books
will come out.  A recent example is a book (1991) called "Mythical
Folds" or something like that, by someone whom I can't remember. It
contains a bunch of complex-level stuff.
     Oh yeah, add Peter Engel to the complex publishers list. His book
"Folding the Universe" is pretty up there.

Later, all.

------------- Tom "waldorf salad" Hull






Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 20:05:28 EST
From: lau@desci.wharton.upenn.edu (Yan K. Lau)
Subject: Hello, my name is...

Origami enthusiasts,

Well, seeing the invitation to new subscribers to tell about
themselves, I decided to respond.  It is rather uncharacteristic of me
to socialize but my interest in origami has inspired me.  When I
first read about the list, I downloaded all of the archive messages
and spent the night reading them until the wee hours.  It was
fascinating reading; so much so that I couldn't sleep afterwards.

(Long message follows.)

(who?)

I work in the Decision Sciences Dept. at the Wharton School of the
University of Pennsylvania.  I do system administration and
application programming on Unix workstations, PCs and Macintosh
computers and provide support to students, staff and faculty.

(how?)

I don't remember ever folding anything except perhaps a boat when I
was young but I feel I have always been interested in origami.  I
started about a year ago when I noticed some origami books in a
fantastic book store.  I browsed through the selection to choose my
first origami book.

My first origami book was Peter Engel's, _Folding the Universe_.  That
book is fascinating.  Even though I was itching to fold the incredible
models, the text really held my attention.  Now, whenever I feel
origami becoming too "mechanical", I read his book or others like
Kasahara's.  I wish I have the gift for languages and was
multi-lingual.

Since then I have brought almost every origami book I've run across
except the very simple ones.  It would be sad not to buy a book and
never find it again.  I now have a modest collection of over 30 books
and a very light wallet.  I recently joined The Friends; after looking
through their catalog, I expect my wallet to get even lighter.
Luckily, it is mail-order or I would have bought it all already.
Recommendations appreciated; especially on the non-English books.
Realistically, I have enough books to learn from for a long time but
the universe keeps expanding with each new purchase.

(when & where?)

Origami for me is an activity.  I practice far more on scrap paper
(discarded laser printer paper, ATM slips) than on origami paper.  I
practice the same models over and over again and never tire of them.
I haven't folded anything original; I'm not sure I have the talent.

I try to fold everywhere, waiting in line, riding trains, waiting in
theatres for movies to start, etc.  I tend to leave what I fold
behind.  At present, I can only fold a handful of models from memory.
I also fold in the air as opposed to on a flat surface.  I guess I
chose to do this after reading about Engel's meeting with Yoshizawa.
I have not done any wet folding but models that spread out over time
are annoying.  Another annoyance is seeing a great model in a book but
no instructions on how to fold it.

I prefer the same "guidelines" as most folders: (I think I read this
in Kenneway's book), square, one sheet, no cutting, no glueing, simple
over complex folds to achieve the finished result.  These are not
strict rules for me but considering when and where I fold, they are
very practical.  I also believe that Fuse's philosophy on "Origami
Fate" in her _Unit Origami_ book (pg. 132) mirrors my feelings.

(what?)

I fold almost everything.  My first complicated fold was Engel's
hummingbird.  I am particularly fond of birds but I also like animals
and flowers.  I really like the simple though elegant crane.  Does
anyone know of any books devoted to variations on the traditional
crane, particularly the sitting variety?  Fuse's boxes are also fun to
fold.  Her geometrics are also appealing.  I suspect I'll end up
buying all her modular origami books one day.  The only thing I can't
get into are masks.

My favorite model:
    Kawasaki's rose  (I learned this recently)

Other models that I have folded and like a lot:
    Montroll's goose
    Kawasaki's fox
    Kasahara's elephant
    Alvarez's pegasus
    Lang's cerberus

The most "compact" model I seen from a sheet of paper is the
jack-in-the-box in Kenneway's book.  My desk area and workstation
are decorated with these folds.

I am looking for models of chess pieces. The Friends catalog had a
booklet listed but apparently it is out of print.  I would like to
fold a chess set for a relative who plays chess.  Maybe I'll make him
a mobile.

I am also looking for a model of a sea otter.  The only one I've seen
so far (by Takahama?) was rather simple.

Does anyone know how to fold the unicorn that was in the movie, "Blade
Runner"?  I would like to fold one just like it.

(why?)

After re-reading my entire message.  I realize I haven't explain why I
fold.  I am not sure why the motivation exists.  Maybe it's the
results, or figuring out the instructions or manipulating the paper
with my hands and fingers to get everything just right.  I consider
myself a perfection and origami provides a challenge.

Yan.

          "I think we're both gonna make it *big*. I am very optimistic."
   )~  Yan K. Lau          lau@desci.wharton.upenn.edu         128.91.11.226
 ~/~   Decision Sciences    The Wharton School    University of Pennsylvania
 /\    God/Goddess/All that is -- the source of love, light and inspiration!






Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 21:10:50 GMT
From: Jeremy.Uejio@Eng.Sun.COM (Jeremy Y Uejio)
Subject: Re: more iffolopogi

> From origami-l@nstn.ns.ca Mon Jan 11 11:52 PST 1993
> To: origami-l@nstn.ns.ca (Origami Interest Group)
> Subject: more iffolopogi
> From: hull@cs.uri.edu (Tom Hull)
> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 14:32:27 EST
>
> Stuff deleted...
>
> will come out.  A recent example is a book (1991) called "Mythical
> Folds" or something like that, by someone whom I can't remember. It
> contains a bunch of complex-level stuff.
>      Oh yeah, add Peter Engel to the complex publishers list. His book
> "Folding the Universe" is pretty up there.
>
> Later, all.
>
> ------------- Tom "waldorf salad" Hull

The book he is refering to is:

        Ansill, Jay
            Mythical Beings, 1992.
     Running Heads Inc.  pages: 96
            English
            isbn 0-06-096866-4
     $10.00

The last page gives a list of all the authors in the book:

"The following origami creators are represented in this book:
Gabriel Alvarez: Daedalus, page 39; Pegasus, page 44
Neal Elias: Centaur, page 59
Matthew Green: Long-tailed Dragon, page 81
Jerry Harris: Gargoyle, page 34
Mark Kirshenbaum: Rearing Dragon, page 64
Robert Lang: Shiva, page 70; Cerberus, page 88
Robert Neale: Ouroboros, page 22; Wizard and Witch, page 25; Winged Dragon,
   page 31
Stephen Weiss: Flapping Dragon, page 50; Woodland Elf, page 54; Unicorn,
   page 76"

I haven't tried any of the models yet.

     jeremy.uejio@eng.sun.com






Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 9:46:29 EST
From: lau@desci.wharton.upenn.edu (Yan K. Lau)
Subject: Re: Hello, my name is...a couple of corrections.

Some corrections:

> I am also looking for a model of a sea otter.  The only one I've seen
> so far (by Takahama?) was rather simple.
              ^^^^^^^
              Kitamura

> with my hands and fingers to get everything just right.  I consider
> myself a perfection and origami provides a challenge.
           ^^^^^^^^^^
Well, actually I am a perfectionist, not a perfection as evidenced by
my error.  When I learn on scrap paper, it usually takes many tries with
various levels of success.  I always unfold at least one model to see
where the various parts of the body fall on the page.  Also the
repetition makes me realize where folds intersect.  I recycle the paper
I use so there's no waste although my impact is probably minimal.

I just brought a new Dover book by Gery Hsu on origami airplanes.  This is
a pure origami book with one sheet square, no cutting.  Most airplane books
I have seen require both cutting and glue.  The models look very pretty
though I haven't folded one yet.

I also have a couple of books on gift-wrapping which are fun to do.
People seem impressed when they receive nicely wrapped presents.  I also
have a book on napkin folds which would be nice to learn.  I haven't done
much with any of these yet.

Yan.

          "I think we're both gonna make it *big*. I am very optimistic."
   )~  Yan K. Lau          lau@desci.wharton.upenn.edu         128.91.11.226
 ~/~   Decision Sciences    The Wharton School    University of Pennsylvania
 /\    God/Goddess/All that is -- the source of love, light and inspiration!






Date: 12 Jan 93 11:09 -0800
From: Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>
Subject: folding 1000 cranes

Hanging is to be done from the centre point. I assume that needle
and thread is fine, although it should look nice. Some thinner
twine in a nice colour might be appropriate.

In Japan, rather than go to the trouble of actually folding the
cranes, people often use things that look like large tassles
in rainbow colours to represent a string of cranes. These also
have the advantage of being much smaller. Where you could get
such things in North America is beyond me, though...

Joseph Wu    <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>   | Witty quote is now back to the
Master's Candidate             |   drawing board due to squeamish
University of British Columbia |   readers. Any suggestions?






Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 11:49:42 EST
From: Cynthia Pettit <pettit@cs.unc.edu>
Subject: Mythical Beings

> "The following origami creators are represented in this book:
> Gabriel Alvarez: Daedalus, page 39; Pegasus, page 44
> Neal Elias: Centaur, page 59
> Matthew Green: Long-tailed Dragon, page 81
> Jerry Harris: Gargoyle, page 34
> Mark Kirshenbaum: Rearing Dragon, page 64
> Robert Lang: Shiva, page 70; Cerberus, page 88
> Robert Neale: Ouroboros, page 22; Wizard and Witch, page 25; Winged Dragon,
>    page 31
> Stephen Weiss: Flapping Dragon, page 50; Woodland Elf, page 54; Unicorn,
>    page 76"
>
> I haven't tried any of the models yet.

I have the book and have done some of the models.  Some are hard to
follow, but it's generally a fun book!  I've memorized the winged
dragon because it's a rather simple model [and fun to make out of
peppermint patty papers in pizza restaurants!].  The pegasis must be
made out of one-color paper [ie the paper has to be the same color on
both sides... :( ].  The elf is fairly easy and a friend of mine gave
up on the Daedalus, but I plodded on and finished it.

I couldn't figure out the flapping dragon.  I got to the bottom of
the first page and got to a fold that was impossible on the model I
had made so far.  Has anyone finished this model and can help me?

I also couldn't get past the initial fold of the unicorn.  [I think it
said, "fold into *fifths*..."]

I haven't tried the Shiva or Cerberus, but felt it was beyond my
ability anyway... [someday! :) ]

Since this is my first posting, let me tell about myself:

I've been folding off and on for as long as I can remember -- I think
it started with the sailboat in a Curious George book!  This last year
I picked it up again when I saw the Mythical Beings book -- I've also
bought _Animal Origami for the Enthusiast_ [Montroll] and _Origami
Sealife_ [Montroll, and Lang (I think)].  I like Montroll's models
very much and find I can do most of his stuff three stars and less.  I
guess I consider myself intermediate -- which I describe as able to
fold most things in an origami book.  [I haven't tried any
experimentation yet -- when I can do Cerberus without looking, then
maybe! :) ]

Anybody have any good recommendations for "intermediate" books besides
these [which are excellent, BTW!]?  Perhaps everyone could mention and
rate the books they have used...

Thanx! :)

Cyn

 "It's not about driving down rt 66 and stopping at the Holiday Inn!
  It's about *adventure*!!"
    ---Richard P Feynman






Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 13:05:22 EST
From: anselmo@thermsa.eng.sunysb.edu (Andrew P. Anselmo)
Subject: Re:  Mythical Beings

This is my first day on the origami mailing list.  I'm glad to see it's alive.
Can anyone tell me about the origami programs in the archive?  I'm trying to
figure out if I can run them on my Sun IPX...

Cyn-

If you consider Montroll's _Sea Life_ as intermediate, try Engel's book (the
title escapes me now); it has a GREAT heart with an arrow through it (suitable
for Valentine's Day, which is only a month away...)

-A.

 Andrew Anselmo / Department of Mechanical Engineering / SUNY Stony Brook
           anselmo@thermsa.eng.sunysb.edu






Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 13:51:33 EST
From: anselmo@thermsa.eng.sunysb.edu (Andrew P. Anselmo)
Subject: folding 1000 cranes

I am currently in the middle of folding 1000 cranes (with help) for a housemate's
sick dad.  From what I hear, one is supposed to string them up in a temple, and
make a wish.  How are you supposed to string up the cranes?  From the center
point? From the tail?  With needle and thread?

A.

 Andrew Anselmo / Department of Mechanical Engineering / SUNY Stony Brook
           anselmo@thermsa.eng.sunysb.edu






Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 17:18:23 CST
From: Douglas Alan Zander <zander@csd4.csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: who folds origami?

  Hello all,

    I`d like to start a discussion on the list.
  I have read an old article (mid 1960`s or so) that claims that
  an unusually high percentage of origamists are also computer
  scientists and programmers.  It went on to suggest that the two
  fields/disciplines are actually very similiar with regards to the
  treatment of logic and mathematical visualization.  (I have always
  told my friends that a study of origami helps one to learn these
  qualities and to learn three-dimensional visualization.  :-)

    Any comments?  Do you think origamists would make good programmers?
  And vice-versa?  Is origami a good subject to learn for general
  all-purpose mental excersize?  :-)

  Thanks all,
  Douglas Zander
  zander@csd4.csd.uwm.edu






Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 22:34:09 EST
From: Jim West <west@moe.optics.rochester.edu>
Subject: Re:  who folds origami?

Just thought that before people started replying to Douglas'
question (about the connection between origami and computing)
we should remember that this mailing list is on a computer
network and therefore we the readers are almost guaranteed to
have an affinity for computers and probably programming.  This
maybe a bit of a generalization but my point is that the replies
we are going to read are not going to necessarily be very
representative of folders in general (unless of course Douglas
is right on the money).  Maybe those who respond should give their
field of work or study so we can see if maybe physicists or
botanists also show origamic tendancies!

I do find this question interesting and since I am kind of
isolated from other folders (just haven't met any others) I
am curious to see the responses.

Jim West
west@moe.optics.rochester.edu






Date: 13 Jan 93 09:27:00 MET
From: "Maarten.J.van.Gelder" <MAARTEN@RC.RUG.NL>
Subject: Non animal folds

Some notes on the non animal folds:

One book with only non animal folds is "Origami vehicles in the new style"
of Akira Kawamura. Language is Japanese but the diagrams are international.

V'Ann mentioned some non animal categories. I have designed some that are in
other categories:

   Balloon with a basket under it
   Church (2 different ones) (category: buildings)
   Some more 'silhouet' folds
   Mushroom (3D)

The ExtraTerrestrial of Maekawa Jun is in the "Connoisseur", but be aware:
only a crease pattern; no diagrams. After I had found out how to fold it we
diagrammed and published it in our (Dutch) magazine "Orison".
There was also a question about which models of John Montroll are in the
Connoisseur. These are: Pelican, Goose, Ground beetle, Stegosaurus,
Ramphorhyncus.

Maarten van Gelder                                M.J.van.Gelder@RC.RUG.NL
Lichtboei 210                   Rekencentrum Rijksuniversiteit RuG
9732 JK  Groningen              Groningen
Holland                         Holland






Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 04:48:44 -0500
From: Bruce Stephens  <bruce@uxb.liv.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: who folds origami?

> Maybe those who respond should give their
> field of work or study so we can see if maybe physicists or
> botanists also show origamic tendancies!
>
I'm in mathematical software.  I've only met one other folder, who
is a mathematician.  Since I moved a couple of months ago, several
other people have become interested through me: a medicine student,
psychology student, botanist (well, she's in the department of
enviromental and evolutionary biology, so botany isn't quite it),
and various others.

I suspect it will be skewed towards mathematicians and related people,
but it's certainly not limited to us.

> I do find this question interesting and since I am kind of
> isolated from other folders (just haven't met any others) I
> am curious to see the responses.
>
> Jim West
> west@moe.optics.rochester.edu

Bruce              CMSR, University of Liverpool
Use PGP 2.1; make private email private!






Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 05:00:46 -0500
From: Bruce Stephens  <bruce@uxb.liv.ac.uk>
Subject: Origami programs (was: Re: Mythical Beings)

> Cyn-
>
> If you consider Montroll's _Sea Life_ as intermediate, try Engel's book (the
> title escapes me now); it has a GREAT heart with an arrow through it (suitable
> for Valentine's Day, which is only a month away...)

"Folding the Universe"?
"Origami for the Connoisseur" has similar level folds in it.  In fact many
seem to me to be easier than those in Engel's book.
"Origami Omnibus" is worth getting, because it has a wide range of quite
interesting folds.
>            anselmo@thermsa.eng.sunysb.edu

Bruce              CMSR, University of Liverpool
Use PGP 2.1; make private email private!






Date: 13 Jan 93  9:58 -0800
From: Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>
Subject: Re: who folds origami?

Cynthia Pettit <pettit@cs.unc.edu> writes:
>>   I have read an old article (mid 1960`s or so) that claims that
>>   an unusually high percentage of origamists are also computer
>>   scientists and programmers.
>
>[Not a random sample, however... :-/]
>
>Is anyone else out there doing graphics programming?  [We do VR
>research here and use those transformations quite a lot! :) ]
>
>Artists?

I guess this is a good time to introduce myself.  8) As you can all see from
the header, my name is Joseph Wu.  I'm a Master's Candidate in Computer
Science (my area of research is Computer Graphics).  I am also an amateur
artist/semi-professional graphic designer.  You can see why I thought that
Cynthia's question was my cue to introduce myself.  8)

Anyway, to the important stuff.  I was initiated to the mysteries of origami
when I was 3.  My father showed me some of the things that could be done with
paper.  Not that he's an origamian in any true sense of the word, but he was
the first to show me how to fold cute little creatures out of paper.  Anyway,
my lack of motor skills at that age prevented me from doing anything of
consequence.  But by the time I was 6, I was mastering the folds in some of
the basic to intermediate level books.  At the age of 10, I received as a
birthday present Kasahara's book, "Creative Origami".  It was then that I
started trying to create my own models, first by modifying some of Kasahara's
models, and then actually creating some of my own. 

Since then, I have created various origami models (including a unicorn, a
centaur, various dragons (western and oriental), an orchid, a sparrow,
various fish (rays, sharks), boxes, dinosaurs, masks...) of varying
difficulty.  I prefer models which can be made from a single square without
cutting, but I am not an absolute stickler for this.  Sometimes a square is
simply not the best shape to start from.  However, I do not like cutting. 
Multiple pieces of paper is sometimes acceptable.  I have a modest library of
origami books--I'd have more, but we don't seem to get a very good supply up
here, and the Japanese book stores charge ridiculous rates.  Some of my
favourites include Yoshizawa, Montroll, and Kasahara (and the various
origimians that grace his pages). 

I have given various demonstrations of origami here at the University of
British Columbia, including being in a local artists' festival.  I've also
entered some of my models in art competitions here in Canada (honourable
mention was the best I ever did...you can't win them all, I suppose 8). 

Anyway, that is me.  I hope I didn't come across as being too pompous.  I
tend to ramble on when I talk about myself.  8)

Happy folding!

Joseph Wu    <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>   | Witty quote is now back to the
Master's Candidate             |   drawing board due to squeamish
University of British Columbia |   readers. Any suggestions?






Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 11:09:04 EST
From: Cynthia Pettit <pettit@cs.unc.edu>
Subject: Re: who folds origami?

>   I have read an old article (mid 1960`s or so) that claims that
>   an unusually high percentage of origamists are also computer
>   scientists and programmers.

[Not a random sample, however... :-/]

Is anyone else out there doing graphics programming? [We do VR research here
and use those transformations quite a lot! :) ]

Artists?

Cyn

 "It's not about driving down rt 66 and stopping at the Holiday Inn!
  It's about *adventure*!!"
    ---Richard P Feynman






Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 13:11:10 EST
From: Cynthia Pettit <pettit@cs.unc.edu>
Subject: Kalidocycles [sp?]

I was just thinking about the Escher Kalidicycles and thought I'd mention
them to the group! They're not origami but simply paper models but they're
lots of fun to put together and they're fun to play with when put together
[you can twist and turn them when they're folded, they're very
action-oriented -- it's hard to explain in ASCII.  :) ] I find gluing them
with rubber cement the easiest, since you can paint both flaps, let them dry
then put them together permanently. 

Also, I'd like to request a survey of all "movable" origami, flapping cranes
and such.  Mail to me the cool models you've done and what book they came
from and I'll compile a list and post it! :)

Cyn

 "It's not about driving down rt 66 and stopping at the Holiday Inn!
  It's about *adventure*!!"
    ---Richard P Feynman






Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 18:40:00 -0500
From: AXD2@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
Subject: Re: who folds origami?

I teach mathematics at the college level. I use unit origami (boxes and
other figures) to illustrate geometric concepts to my calculus classes.

Anabeth Dollins                         axd2@psuvm.psu.edu
Penn State University, McKeesport






Date: Thu, 14 Jan 93 0:24:07 EST
From: Judy Ng <jng@tjhsst.vak12ed.edu>
Subject: Re: Kalidocycles [sp?]

 According to Cynthia Pettit:
>
> I was just thinking about the Escher Kalidicycles and thought I'd
> mention them to the group!  They're not origami but simply paper
> models but they're lots of fun to put together and they're fun to play
> with when put together [you can twist and turn them when they're
> folded, they're very action-oriented -- it's hard to explain in ASCII.
> :) ] I find gluing them with rubber cement the easiest, since you can
> paint both flaps, let them dry then put them together permanently.
>
> Also, I'd like to request a survey of all "movable" origami, flapping
> cranes and such.  Mail to me the cool models you've done and what book
> they came from and I'll compile a list and post it! :)
>
> Cyn
> --
>  "It's not about driving down rt 66 and stopping at the Holiday Inn!
>   It's about *adventure*!!"
>     ---Richard P Feynman
> --






Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 04:44:54 -0500
From: Bruce Stephens  <bruce@UXB.LIV.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Kalidocycles [sp?]

> cyndia, Kalidocycle seems lots of fun.  Can you share with me
> the details?  what book do I find the directionss?  do you have
> instructions?  Please give me as much refernce as you can.
> Thanks
> judy  ng    jng@tjhsst.vak12ed.edu

It's a book: "M.C.Escher Kaleidocycles", Doris Schattschneider and Wallace
Walker, Tarquin Publications, Stradbroke, Diss, Norfolk.  0 906212 28 6

Bruce              CMSR, University of Liverpool
Use PGP 2.1; make private email private!






Date: Thu, 14 Jan 93 5:01:16 CST
From: Douglas Alan Zander <zander@csd4.csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: Flexagons Was: Re: Kalidocycles [sp?]

>
> I was just thinking about the Escher Kalidicycles and thought I'd
> mention them to the group!  They're not origami but simply paper
> models but they're lots of fun to put together and they're fun to play
> with when put together [you can twist and turn them when they're
> folded, they're very action-oriented -- it's hard to explain in ASCII.
> :) ] I find gluing them with rubber cement the easiest, since you can
> paint both flaps, let them dry then put them together permanently.
>
> Also, I'd like to request a survey of all "movable" origami, flapping
> cranes and such.  Mail to me the cool models you've done and what book
> they came from and I'll compile a list and post it! :)
>
> Cyn
> --
>  "It's not about driving down rt 66 and stopping at the Holiday Inn!
>   It's about *adventure*!!"
>     ---Richard P Feynman
> --

  Cynthia,

    I'm not sure what these Kalidicycles are but I'm going to check them
    out.  Thanks for the tip.  Have you ever heard of "flexagons"?
    If I remember correctly, these were brought up on this list some time
    ago.  They were featured in Scientific American mags way back in
    ancient times ;-)  You can find a book on them,(self-titled I believe).
    You might be interested; just a thought.

    Douglas Zander
    zander@csd4.csd.uwm.edu






Date: 14 Jan 93 09:07:32 MET
From: "Maarten.J.van.Gelder" <MAARTEN@RC.RUG.NL>
Subject: who folds origami

In the OSN (the Dutch Origami Society) about 97% are women. I am sure most of
them are NOT mathematicians, computer scientists or programmers.

Maarten van Gelder                                M.J.van.Gelder@RC.RUG.NL
Lichtboei 210                   Rekencentrum Rijksuniversiteit RuG
9732 JK  Groningen              Groningen
Holland                         Holland






Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 10:25:54 -0500 (EST)
From: Rose Mills <rm5k+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: who folds origami

>In the OSN (the Dutch Origami Society) about 97% are women. I am >sure most of
>them are NOT mathematicians, computer scientists or programmers.

 How do you know?
 I'm a woman and I'm majoring in Computer Engineering and Programming.

      Rose Mills





Date: Thu, 14 Jan 93 11:19:21 -0500
From: rh398@csc.albany.edu (Rich)
Subject: Re:  who folds origami

 I'm a Computer Operator, and I fold origami.  (BUT, I'm an English
major....any other humanities represented???)....(I'm dying to hear
someone say "I'm a shoe salesman" or something....)

--Rich





Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 11:31:45 -0500
From: "Andrea Sterbini (312)413-2169 fax: (312)996-1491" <u60901%uicvm.bitnet@utcs.utoronto.ca>
Subject: Who I am

Hi, my name is Andrea Sterbini,
I'm an Italian PhD student in Computer Science.
I've started folding when my father (I was 15) gave me the Harbin book
"Origami step by step", at that time one of the most difficult books.
I loved a lot the models of Patricia Crowford (where she is now?) and
specially her swan and her scorpion.
Incidentally, she made also an unicorn, that may be is the one that appears
in Blade Runner (?).
After some years I have found other italian origami books, with a back-cover
reference to the Centro Diffusione Origami and to the Centro Italiano Origami,
two origami clubs.
I had the way of going to Florence and there I met the CDO people and the
Fujimoto's cube (wanderful).
Every year we have a convention, in the second one I had the pleasure of
meeting Akira Yoshizawa, an enlightenig experience.
In the third convention I met my wife, Nicoletta Degli Innocenti, that now is
a Phd student in Marine Ecology.
I like very complex folds, and sometimes I make very small versions of the
models I like more, as the Richardson hedgehog and the Kawasaki rose.
Just to have some insight in the nature of origami-enthusiasts I will list
some of my best friends with their jobs.
Luisa Canovi (ex CDO president) designer
Lorenzo Lepri                   supermarket manager
Raffaele Leonardi (CDO president) manager in a jackets factory
Luigi Leonardi                  bank manager
Giovanni Maltagliati (CDO founder) furs maker
Roberto Morassi (CDO founder)   Chemistry Professor
Luca Massini                    Architect
Yvonne Alucci                   Hairdresser
Simona Angelelli                Veterinaria

I think that we must consider who are the folders that have not access to
computers if we want to understand "who is a folder"

See you at the FOCA convention ... happy folding

                Andrea Sterbini






Date: Thu, 14 Jan 93 12:00:40 EST
From: anselmo@thermsa.eng.sunysb.edu (Andrew P. Anselmo)
Subject: Re:  who folds origami

I'm a mechanical engineer, trying to get my Phd in Heat Transfer, but, to
quote a friend's comment about ME`s, I fit the mold of 'I should have been
an auto mechanic, but my dad said go to college'.  I find origami very relaxing,
and is a great thing on long train and plane journeys.  I've got a facility
for things mechanical, and origami does have certain things in common with
tinkering etc.

-A.

 Andrew Anselmo / Department of Mechanical Engineering / SUNY Stony Brook
           anselmo@thermsa.eng.sunysb.edu






Date: Thu, 14 Jan 93 13:54:24 EST
From: Cynthia Pettit <pettit@cs.unc.edu>
Subject: Re: who folds origami

> >In the OSN (the Dutch Origami Society) about 97% are women. I am >sure most
> >of them are NOT mathematicians, computer scientists or programmers.
>
>  How do you know?
>  I'm a woman and I'm majoring in Computer Engineering and Programming.
>
>       Rose Mills

Agreed.  Just because *our* country limits the entry of females into
science doesn't mean other countries do the same! :)

Cyn

PS I'm all three! :)

PPS (If you want to flame me on this issue :) , send to me, not the
group and I'd be happy to answer all flames! :) )

 "It's not about driving down rt 66 and stopping at the Holiday Inn!
  It's about *adventure*!!"
    ---Richard P Feynman






Date: 14 Jan 1993 17:38:37 +0100
From: "Johannes L. Braams" <J.L.Braams@research.ptt.nl>
Subject: Re: who folds origami

> >In the OSN (the Dutch Origami Society) about 97% are women. I am >sure most of
> >them are NOT mathematicians, computer scientists or programmers.
>
>  How do you know?
>  I'm a woman and I'm majoring in Computer Engineering and Programming.
>
 He meant the members of the *dutch* origami society. He may be
 right I don't know that, but my wife (on whose behalf I am subscribed)
 *is* a computer scientist and an origami fan.

 Johannes Braams

PTT Research,                           P.O. box 421,
2260 AK Leidschendam,                   The Netherlands.
Phone    : +31 70 3325051               E-mail : J.L.Braams@research.ptt.nl
Fax      : +31 70 3326477
