




Date: Wed, 22 Apr 92 10:47:53 PDT
From: Frances Koo <koo@tcville.hac.com>
Subject: Hello Again!

Thanks everyone, for all the info about folding!
I think I'm ready to tackle the lionfish again with a *much* bigger sheet
of paper.  Hopefully the sink folds will look like what sink folds are
supposed to look like this time!

I now have a nice little list of books to check out (thanks!).  Paco, I did
see some larger origami paper.  A friend of mine got it in Little Tokyo
near downtown LA.  He got 100 sheets for $11.50 at Rafu Bussan, Inc.  The
sheets aren't too big, but it's at least a little better ...  9 3/4" in a
variety of colors.  Brand name:  Niji, #4253, made in Japan.  If I need
anything larger than that, I'll probably need to cut my own from
computer/wrapping paper.  Thanks for the tips.

I'm having a busy spell, but I've been saving the origami mail for reading.
The origami archive sounds interesting, and I'd like to help!  The next
time I return to Hong Kong (most likely Christmas), I'll check to see if
there's anything interesting.  I used to have a really nice one with all
kinds of ready-made birds in it.  I don't know if my parents have disposed
of it....

    Frances Koo (koo@tcville.hac.com)
    Los Angeles (South Bay), California





Date: Wed, 22 Apr 92 19:30:24 EDT
From: Ben Chadwick <bchadwic@tjhsst.vak12ed.edu>
Subject: Puritanism

  In "puritan" Origami is it legal to have a rectangular piece
of paper? I find that most people think cutting is cheating,
which is what I mean by "puritan" Origami.

       Ben Chadwick
 PS I have gotten several letters more than once, I.E.
Unsubscription and "Hello Again".  Is this a problem with
mailing lists?
--

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Bchadwic@tjhsst.Vak12ed.edu  Thomas Jefferson High School
                      For Science and Technology
"I got her a bouquet of flounders, but she said, `not tonight,
       I have a haddock.'"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





Date: Wed, 22 Apr 92 20:44:14 EDT
From: wbfst1@gl.pitt.edu
Subject: Re: Puritanism

Well, when it comes to origami, I have a few opinions, which can
carry as much weight as you like, as I am pretty much a major
amateur (which I can't even spell :).  I'm going to also take the
opportunity to query about a few other topics, as well.

1>  The only tools for folding paper you need are your hands.  This
       implies that scissors aren't needed.  However, if you wish
       to fold something and have only a rectancular piece of paper,
       my solution is to fold it diagonally across, so you know
       where the edge of the square is, crease that line SEVERAL
       times (like 10 or 20) and rip carefully.  I've had several
       models that have had this done, and don't look bad at all,
       in my opinion (which is biased, of course)

2>  I'm not sure on the 'wet folding' technique.  It seems to me
       that while the paper ends up stiffer after the water or
       substance dries, this defies the 'ephemeral' nature of
       paper, in that it can be destroyed.  Many of the projects
       I have done are very interesting (having done some projects
       from Tomoko Fuse's books about unit origami, which I love)
       and are very sturdy without having to resort to wet folding
       or gels.  However, some fo the other ones, such as a seahorse
       from Kunihiko Kasahara, seem rather fragile (the baby seahorse
       in _Creative_Origami_, fyi) and might get ruined pretty quickly
       if care isn't taken.

Perhaps my attitudes aren't in the mainstream, but all in all, I feel
that if you can't produce what you want with {one | several} sheet(s)
of paper with no assistance, perhaps you are trying something that
should be done differently.

another thought about patterned paper:
       I like it.  It looks particularly cool on some of the unit
       origami of Tomoko Fuse', in particular, I have done her
       'Pinwheel Cube' with paper that is sort of tan with blue
       cranes on one side, and purple backing, and it looks really
       neat, as there is the mixture of both sides on the outside
       of the cube.

another thought about intricate folds:
       I went to probably the only store in Pittsburgh that has any
       decent origami book section, and there was this book that I
       don't recall the title of, that had models of insects that
       seemed to be folded from one piece of paper, that had
       six legs, a head and a tail, etcetera, and were very detailed.
       I feel two sided about this:  The detail for these projects
       was amazing, and I would like to know how he did it, in the
       prospect that it allows more realistic looking origami,
       allowing the folder to represent the subject much clearer;
       however, it seems that it takes a bit from the spirit of
       origami, that of folding for art, instead of direct
       representation.  I feel that the fold should suggest the
       subject, not be a model.  However, that is VERY tough, having
       tried on a few subjects, and failing miserably.

Well, enough rambling.

--
wbfst1@gl.pitt.edu  |  CS = Cynicism and Sarcasm  |  wbfst1@unix.cis.pitt.edu





Date: 23 Apr 92 09:17:19 MET-1
From: "Maarten.J.van.Gelder" <MAARTEN@RC.RUG.NL>
Subject: ORIDRAW, More MATH!

--> Andrew:

I am in the process of updating my own ORIDRAW program. With this program I
have diagrammed some of my models. The drawings could only be printed on a
laser printer.
I am adding the facility of PostScript output. That is nearly finished.
When it is ok I will generate the diagrams again from the script files and
add them to the archives. I will let you know.

--> Tom:

I have encountered that kind of pattern (V V ^ ....) somewhere before. All I
remember is that if you take a strip of paper and make all folds (valley and
mountain) 90 degrees you will get a pattern that has a name already:
Sierpinsky curve. And indeed it has a fractal structure.

Maarten van Gelder                                      MAARTEN@RC.RUG.NL
Lichtboei 210                   Rekencentrum Rijksuniversiteit RuG
9732 JK  Groningen              Groningen
Holland                         Holland





Date: Sun, 26 Apr 92 07:35:15 PDT
From: vann@andataco.com
Subject: Re:  Puritanism

Ben
on the subject of 'pure origami'...

The British Origami Society published an article
attempting to think through the concept of 'pure origami'.

I don't have it now but as I remember the point was
not to dictate any limitations so much as to focus on
'ground zero'.

The definition included:
  one square, no cutting, no gluing,
  all sufaces were integral to the design
     (no reducing by folding the edges to make  a hexagon)
  diagrams included only valley folds,

  once the fold was made, subsequent folds didn't require any unfolding.

From seeing the work of people who are able to create models,
it occurs to me that the recognition of 'pure origami' is like
being aware of the difference between Bach and Mosart or Monet and
Picaso.  To me the question is less about faithfulness to values
(right vs wrong) and more about understanding the differences and
similarities between people. I also find out more about how I
think by noticing what designs are pleasing for me to see and what
designs I am able to produce.

Thanks for asking the question.  I like to remember this once in a while.

v'ann





Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1992 15:30 EST
From: ACPQUINN%MIDD.BITNET@clvm.clarkson.edu
Subject: Re: Puritanism

Ok, here's my personal list of "pure" origami rules:
1.) Any size or shape of paper may be used; it's not confined to a square.
2.) Scissors may be used only when a model requires a shape other than a
    square, or when you're making modulars and you need smaller sheets of
    paper.
3.) Glue is not permitted, except when making the "4-dimensional box" in
    Origami Omnibus (or in extreme emergency, which doesn't come to me often)
4.) Tape is never permitted, except when taping models to the wall or a
    display case, etc.
5.) Tools are permitted, but if your thumbnails are long enough, and your
    fingers small enough, you don't need a bone folder or tweezers.
6.) No cuts or rips may be made (on purpose :*) after the actual model is
    started.

        Actually, one purist said that cuts may be permitted if they do not
cut out part of the paper.  Interesting, but I still don't like it.  I've
noticed that models that require cuts don't have the same "character" as the
ones that don't.  I mean, compare the antelope on the back of Eric Kenneway's
"Complete Origami" with John Montroll's antelope and gazelle.  Neither of the
latter require cutting, and they look so much better than the former, which
does.

        I'm not saying you have to agree with me; I'm just giving my thoughts
on the subject.  I had something else to say, but I don't remember it.

        Well, that's enough for this message.  See ya (hear from ya?) later!

                --Alasdair C. Post-Quinn--
                --Origamian Extraordinaire--
                --Middlebury, Vermont--





Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1992 15:38 EST
From: ACPQUINN%MIDD.BITNET@clvm.clarkson.edu
Subject: origami DB form

V'ann--

        Wasn't this form included in the survival kit at the Convention?
Should I just make a bunch of copies of that, and fill those out?
I wish I had known this sooner; this is the last day of my eleven-day vacation.
Umm...Spirals is still on backorder to me, so I'll get it when I get it.  I
guess it's a good thing there's no deadline on this project :-)(-:.





Date: Sun, 26 Apr 92 22:25:17 EDT
From: Ben Chadwick <bchadwic@tjhsst.vak12ed.edu>
Subject: I suppose, then

  I suppose, then, that it seems to take much more effort to
make, say, a lobster with antennae, without scissors, then it
does with scissors.  I think that about sums up the main
puritan idea, not taking the easy way out.  I find that more
complex, no scissor origami often looks better anyway.  Of
course, calling me amateur is an understatement...
--

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Bchadwic@tjhsst.Vak12ed.edu  Thomas Jefferson High School
                      For Science and Technology
"She said she'd love me till the end of time... so I'm
       praying for the end of time!" -Meatloaf,
       Paradise by the Dashboard Light
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





Date: Mon, 27 Apr 92 09:57:43 -0400
From: Elsa Chen <elsa@ll.mit.edu>
Subject: animal papers

Last Tuesday night at the PINE meeting I was given some amusing papers:

pig paper: a pink square with white curliicues dotting it

cow paper: a square with brown blotches on a white background

gator paper: a square with green hexagons on a yellow background

giraffe(?) paper: a square with tan spots on a yellow background

zebra paper: a square with alternating black and white stripes

:-)

BTW, The Starship (which looks like the Enterprise) from the 1992
Friends Convention Collection was a big hit at that meeting among
future-generation Trekkies.

Elsa





Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1992 10:29 EST
From: FWOLFLINK@rcnvms.rcn.mass.edu
Subject: puritanism

Sitting here just 20 miles from the Puritan's home haunt (Salem, MA) and
thinking about the real horror, pain and anguish they caused to the people
at that time and which continues as remnants up to today and embodied in
such people as Jessie Helms and Orrin Hatch, I really have to wonder what
the purpose of ANY rules for what constitutes origami might be.

Then again, artists have always played with creating arbitrary restrictions
on their practice and seeing how far they could go within those restrictions.
And then freely discarding those rules as necessary.  Afterall, it is useful
to restrict one's choices, perhaps necessary
e's choices!  Would it be origami to mountain fold a square
sheet of paper, stand it on its open edges with the fold at the top and then
paint a dog on both sides?  Well .... perhaps not origami, but could be a
wonderful piece nevertheless.  The issue is on product vs process and who
does what and why.

Sometimes I'll have something folded up so compact and so tight and have
flattened it in a vise to hold it together, but then just slightly running
my fingernail along the back of the model perhaps from the nose to the base
of the tail, it splits open and all those carefully tucked folds billow out
filling the room as they unfold jagged edges flying everywhere and when it
all settles down, there is the model standing there on its legs with this
horrible gaping wound and a mass of torn and tangled paper hanging on its
back spilling onto the floor and occasionally still twitching.  Switch to
the voice of William S. Burroughs: "I've seen origamis cranked up so tight
that when they split open the flying paper cuts off the heads of anyone in
the room".  End hallucination.

fred wolflink





Date: Mon, 27 Apr 92 20:31:14 EDT
From: tiger@athena.mit.edu
Subject: "Pure" origami (puritanism)

It seems to me that while pure origami may include no glue, no cutting,
and only square peices of paper, paper folding can include anything
using paper and both interesting and enjoyable.  Personally, I find both
fascinating because you can create something unexpected from a plain
piece of paper, whether it's square, or glued, or lined, or whatever.
By defining limits on what you find exceptable, it seems that you are
missing oportunities to explore paper in new directions,

       -Jen'n





Date: Tue, 28 APR 92 10:41:29 BST
From: ISTDCRAGG@vax.liverpool-poly.ac.uk
Subject: My first origami book (was Re: Puritism)

I finally bought my first book on origami called 'Origami - New Ideas for
Paperfolding' by Gay Merrill Gross ( Magna books 1990 ).

A couple of things that might interest the list at present is that in the
introduction it classes a 'cut along line' action as an origami symbol
( although the symbol is only used in the book to make irregualar shaped paper
into a square )

It also mentions the use of adhesives (although states that this should be
avoided if poosible and used only for displaying models), wet folding and other
stiffening methods.

I personally disagree with the idea of using sissors, but not the stiffening
methods... I am really pleased with a model comes out as planned, and since some
models take me a long time to make, I'd like them to last a long time too!

-David Cragg-

 ISTDCRAGG@Vax.Liverpool-Poly.Ac.Uk





Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1992 15:43 EST
From: ACPQUINN%MIDD.BITNET@clvm.clarkson.edu
Subject: 4-D box!

        Obviously, you can't fold something that changes through time; the
actual title of this work is "Four-Dimensional Box (?)"  Check out Origami
Omnibus to see what I mean.     --Alasdair Post-Quinn--





Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1992 19:36:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: John_Morin@transarc.com
Subject: The Origami Club of Pittsburgh

First time post here (please be good to me).

After years of doing origami and thinking I was the only one to
be doing such things, I've moved to Pittsburgh to find that
there is an Origami Club as well as discover this internet
origami list.

Needless to say, I am very excited.

The Origami Club meets very about once a month in the Squirrel Hill
Branch Library. I'll include a schedule (see below) for anyone
in the Pittsburgh area looking for such a thing.  I've been twice.
The class is very informal in which people just show up, show off
any previous work, and fold.  All levels of experience are
welcome.  I think its great for I've met others who are at the
same level of expertise (or better) as I am.  The president of the
club, Sue Neff,  is a wonderful person and will take beginners aside
and do a piece with them.

       1992 Origami Dates at the Squirrel Hill Branch Library
       Come fold with us from 6:00 to 8:00
       --------------------------------------
       Children (parents are welcome):
       May 20, Sept. 16, Oct 21, Nov. 18, Dec. 16

       Children/Adult (beginners welcome):
       Jun 23, Jul 28, Aug 25

       Adults (beginners welcome)
       May 26, Sept. 22, Oct. 27, Nov. 24, Dec. 22
       --------------------------------------

If you'd like an address and want to write, its below. You could also
send mail to me and I will pass it on to Sue.  If you also are a part
of a club and wish to contact others, please write.

       Origami Club of Pittsburgh
       524 Sycamore Road
       Sewickley, PA  15143

The meetings are informal basically because the attendance is off and
on.  If we could get a base of regular attendees, then pieces can be
presented and taught at each class.  This past week, myself and another
folder (I met through this list) tried the Starship by Gene Pennello.
Needless to say, we didn't finish it, but I had a great time.  I finished it
at home.   With a little more work, one can get the dish on the front
to be the otherside of the paper (different color) as well as on the
nose of the ship.  Gene Pennello has come up with an impressive piece.

       - John Morin.
         morin@transarc.com





Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1992 20:23:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: John_Morin@transarc.com
Subject: Introduction

Hi folders,

Since I'm new to the list, I figure I should introduce myself.

I've been doing origami since I was about 10.  That was 17 years ago and after

a short stay away from it, I am back with renewed interest.  What did it was
finding this news group as well as finding the Origami Club Of Pittsburgh.

My first origami book (and only up to about a week ago) is "Secrets of
Origami: The Japanese art of paper folding" by Robert Harbin.  I find it
to be a phenomenal book with around 125 pieces in it (some I still can't do
to this day).  The book features folders such as Florence Temko, Robert
Harbin,
Ligia Montoya, John M. Nordquist, Jack J. Skillman, Adolfo Cerceda, Neal Elias,
Fred Rohm, Robert Neale, and George Rhoads.   The level of difficult ranges
from beginners to difficult.  Unfortunately, I have never seen this book any-
where. Which is unfortunate, because my copy is really beat up. I doubt any
of the following information is current.

       Secrets of Origami: The Japanese art of Paper Folding
       Robert Harbin, illustrated by the author, photographs by
       Kingsley Mitchell and Robert Harbin.

       Originally published by Oldbourne Book Company
       under the title Secrets of Origami Old and New.

       This edition published by Octopus Books Limited
       30 Bouverie Street, London E C 4

       This edition (c) Octopus Books Ltd, 1971
       SBN 7064 0005 4

       Printed in Czechoslovakia by Svoboda, Prague

My style is, I would say, is to be precise with the paper.  This
developed from self
taught and, I understand, differs from the Japanese style which takes on
more of a flow with the paper and let it express its own (your own)
inner feelings.  Can anyone elaborate on this?  If your angry, a piece may
come out angry.  If your happy and in a good mood, the same
piece would reflect that feeling.  Folds are not rigid or strongly creased thus
creating a more 3-dimensional piece.  Needless to say, I am intrigued by
this and want to hear more about it.

Another thing that interests me is 3-dimensional origami.  Any thing
new or interesting out there? Any pointers to information about it?  Fred
Rohm has a piece "It's Magic" of a rabit on a 3-D box, and a "Performing
Seal" balancing a 3-d box on its nose; both of which I like.

My second book is Origami for the Enthusiast by John Montroll.  A book you
can pick up in any store that carries origami material.  I havn't looked inside
it yet.

The president of the Origami Club of Pittsburgh, Sue Neff, attended the
NY convention.  The things she has shown me is really quite impressive.
I've tried the Starship by Gene Pennello (from the convention book) and
find it to be a very impressive piece.  I wonder if this will start (or
is part of)
a trend of origami pieces that take on American topics.  I had a lot
of fun folding it.  In months to come, I hope to do more from the book and
order one for myself.

Enough said.  I will be in touch some more.

       - John Morin.
         morin@transarc.com

P.S. My 5 year old daughter loves this stuff.  I've been concentrating on
more difficult pieces for myself and am now looking for some real
basic toy-like pieces that we can do together.  Any suggestions of books?





Date: Sat,  2 May 1992 12:06:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: John_Morin@transarc.com
Subject: Ordering Origami Paper

I got a request for some origami paper mail order places and thought
that posting here would be a good idea.  I just got this information.  I
called the last three and asked for their catalogs which is on its way
to me.

Sorry, I don't know anything about the places, their quality, or cost.
The following list is in no particular order.

-------------------------------------------------------

       FOCA (Friends of the Origami Center of America)
       c/o Phyliss Meth
       40-05 166 Street
       Flushing, NY 11358

Has member, non-member,  and bulk prices.  Write and ask for catalog or
price sheet.  Be prepared to wait 4-6 weeks.

The organization may be interesting to join.  I will get back to you
with more information about joining FOCA (when I learn more).

-------------------------------------------------------

       AIKO'S Art Materials
       3347 North Clark Street
       Chicago, IL  60657
       (312) 404-5600

I called and asked for a catalog. It costs $1.50.

-------------------------------------------------------

       SAX's Arts and Crafts
       PO Box 2511
       Allentown, PA  18001
       1 (800) 558-6696

Catalog is free.  Mostly an arts supplier but has some Origami paper.

-------------------------------------------------------

       The Japanese Paper Place
       966 Queen Street West
       Toronto, Ontario
         Canada  M6J 1G8
       (416) 533-6862

No catalog, but will send a price sheet.

Good Luck.

       - John Morin.
         morin@transarc.com





Date: Mon, 25 May 92 14:11:13 EDT
From: "Claus F. Wolter" <cfwol@mvax.cc.conncoll.edu>
Subject: Arts and Technology Symposium

Dear List Moderators,

Please post the following call for comopostions, artwork, presentations and
papers on your list.

Please don't hesitate to contact me if you have any questions.

Thank you in advance for your cooperation.

Claus F. Wolter
Assitant Professor of Physical Education
Connecitcut College

Internet:      cfwol@mvax.cc.conncoll.edu
BITNET:cfwol@conncoll.bitnet

CALL FOR COMPOSITIONS, PRESENTATIONS, PAPERS AND ARTWORK

The Connecticut College Center for Arts and Technology, in conjunction
with the departments of Music, Art, Art History, Dance, Theater, English,
Mathematics/Computer Science, Physics, Physical Education, Psychology
and Linguistics is pleased to announce the fourth Symposium on The Arts
and Technology, 4-6 March 1993.  The Symposium will consist of paper
sessions, panel discussions, an art exhibition, and concerts of music, mixed
media works, video, dance, experimental theatre and interactive
performance.  Selected papers will be published as Proceedings, and will be
available at the Symposium.

Papers:

A detailed two page abstract including audio-visual requirements should
be sent to the address below no later than 15 September, 1992.  Approved
abstracts will be notified by 15 November 1992.  Finished papers must be
submitted in camera-ready form by 15 January, 1993.  The Symposium
encourages research presentations and demonstrations in all areas of the
arts and technology but is particularly interested in receiving work
concerned with Interactivity, Virtual Reality, Cognition in the Arts,
Applications in Video and Film, Experimental Theater, The Compositional
Process, Speculative Uses of Technology in Education and examples of
scientific visualization.  Other topics include but are not limited to
acoustics, artificial intelligence, psyhco-acoustics, vision, and imaging.

Artworks:

Works of computer-generated or computer-aided art, or computer-
controlled interactive art are encouraged.  Animation or other works of
computer art on tape will be shown throughout the Symposium.  Slides or
Video Tapes (VHS), and complete descriptions of works should be
submitted no later than 15 September 1993.  Accepted artists will be
notified by November 15, 1993.  Black-and-white photographs of accepted
works should be sent by 15 January, 1993.  Selected works will be
published as an insert in the Proceedings.  Funds available for the shipping
of work are extremely limited.  Call or write the address below for more
information on the transport of artwork.

Compostions:

Works for instruments and tape or tape alone are being solicited at this
time.  Available instruments are: flute (doubling on piccolo), oboe, clarinet
(doubling on bass clarinet), bassoon, trumpet, horn, trombone, percussion
(two players), piano, and strings (2,1,1,1).

Works should not exceed 15 minutes in length and should be submitted with
accompanying score, where appropriate, before 15 September 1992.  We are
especially interested in receiving a number of interactive performance
compositions and video works.  Dance compositions are also encouraged, as
are experimental theater works using "new technology."

Tapes for selection purposes should be on cassette or 1/2 inch VHS. Tapes
for performance should be 15 i.p.s. stereo or quadraphonic, or DAT. Video
works should be 3/4 inch Umatic or 1/2 inch VHS.

A self-addressed, preposted envelope should be provided for the return of
materials within the U.S.A.  Foreign materials will be returned at our
expense.

Send art and science related materials before 15 September 1992 to:

David Smalley, Co-director
Center for Arts and Technology
Box 5637
Connecticut College
270 Mohegan Avenue
New London, CT 06320-4196
Internet:  dasma@mvax.cc.conncoll.edu
Bitnet:    dasma@conncoll.bitnet

Send music and AI related materials before 15 September 1992 to:

Dr. Noel Zahler, Co-director
Center for the Arts and Technology
Connecticut College
Box 5632
270 Mohegan Avenue
New London, CT 06320-4196
Internet:  nbzah@mvax.cc.conncoll.edu
Bitnet:    nbzah@conncoll.bitnet





Date: 27 May 92 09:22:53 MET-1
From: "Maarten.J.van.Gelder" <MAARTEN@RC.RUG.NL>
Subject: Dutch books

Hello OrigaMailers,

Bruce and V'Ann asked information about Dutch books. So here I go.

I have three of the books from the "Origami theme" series of Cantecleer.
These are:

   Gift packaging    (Tato, Noshi and some moneyfolds)
   Kusudamas
   Flowers

Bruce mentions the title Ornaments twice.  In the list of the "theme" books
two books are dealing with ornaments:

   Sieraden                (Ornaments: like earrings etc.)
   Versieringen in huis    (Decorations at home: mobiles, collages, window
                            decorations etc.)

About the boxes book: most boxes are made from more than one sheet (module).

All books in this series are rather simple.  The diagrams are drawn following
the international standards.  Text is in Dutch but that should not give
problems when folding.

I guess "Greeting cards" is from another series: "Hobby wijzer" (Hobby
index).
This book gives simple Origami models to decorate greeting cards.
The author J.de Gooyer has made also a book "More greeting cards".  These
cards are not only decorated by Origami but also using technics like painting
and clipping.

The book "Papiervouwen De geschiedenis van een cultuur" (Paperfolding The
history of a culture) contains seven models.  But the vast majority of the
contents is text and all Dutch.  So if you can read and understand that ...
I like the book very much because it gives interesting facts about folding and
also paper.  Did you know that the oldest piece of paper was found in China
and that it was made between 140 and 87 B.C.? And the oldest paper with text
on it dates from 110 A.D.?

Maarten van Gelder                                      MAARTEN@RC.RUG.NL
Lichtboei 210                   Rekencentrum Rijksuniversiteit RuG
9732 JK  Groningen              Groningen
Holland                         Holland





Date: Fri, 29 May 92 14:29:28 EDT
From: Tom Hull <hull@cs.uri.edu>
Subject: archive are cool beans (postscript)

Yo Maarten! Thanks for the new diagrams. They're very sharp! And in English
even! Note: the windmill, when laserprinted, gets truncated a bit at the end.
But it's only cosmetic; no information is lost.

Now, I think I could dig up some postscript files myself. How would I
go about ADDING them to the archives? Just send them to you?
Or is there an FTP command that will do it?

Cheers.

-----------------Tom "temptation" Hull





Date: Mon, 1 Jun 92 10:08:59 +0200
From: Bruce Stephens <bruce@supr.scm.liv.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: archive are cool beans (postscript)

>>>>> On Fri, 29 May 92 14:29:28 EDT, Tom Hull <hull@edu.uri.cs> said:
> Yo Maarten! Thanks for the new diagrams. They're very sharp! And in English
> even! Note: the windmill, when laserprinted, gets truncated a bit at the end.
> But it's only cosmetic; no information is lost.

It's not truncated if you use the right sized paper!  (A4, in this case.)

> Cheers.

> -----------------Tom "temptation" Hull
--
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Date: Fri, 3 Jul 92 11:22:28 +0200
From: Bruce Stephens <bruce@supr.scm.liv.ac.uk>
Subject: "Origami Boxes" out of print? (books)

My bookshop has just cancelled an order for "Origami Boxes" by Tomoko
Fuse` because it's out of print.

Can anyone shed light on this?  After all, it was only published in
1990---seems a bit of a shame that it should have disappeared so
quickly.

Especially before I could get a copy!

(Thanks to "Maarten J. van Gelder" <MAARTEN@nl.rug.rc>
for the information about the Dutch books, BTW.)

Bruce






Date: Fri, 3 Jul 92 14:53:05 -0500
From: Brad Blumenthal <brad@cs.utexas.edu>
Subject: "Origami Boxes" out of print? (books)

I definitely saw a couple of copies at the Bookstop here in Austin
last night.  If anyone wants a copy for the price + shipping, let me
know.

Take care,
brad






Date: Fri, 3 Jul 92 15:36:03 EDT
From: wbfst1@gl.pitt.edu
Subject: Re: "Origami Boxes" out of print? (books)

YIPE!  I think I saw a copy of this down at my local book store, but
I am surprised it is out of print so soon.  I thought it was an
interesting book, although I didn't purchase it (no money, you know)

I hope you find it, before it is completely gone

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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 92 07:47:40 PDT
From: vann@andataco.com
Subject: Re:  "Origami Boxes" out of print? (books)

> My bookshop has just cancelled an order for "Origami Boxes" by Tomoko
> Fuse` because it's out of print.
>
> Can anyone shed light on this?  After all, it was only published in
> 1990---seems a bit of a shame that it should have disappeared so
> quickly.

> Especially before I could get a copy!

Bruce,
I have heard.....
Since I have been working on this data base for origami books,
that a publisher will only print 10,000 copies with out the
option for reprint.  Origami books belong to a set that is thought
to be 'special interest'.

The British Origami Society holds the copyright for Robert Harbin's
work and they have consistently republished two of his books.
You will notice that only a few Japanese books have been reissued.

As I get deeper into the data base, I'm sure more things will become
clear.

I hope other people have some info on this

V'Ann
vann@andataco.com






Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 14:30:31 +0200
From: Bruce Stephens <bruce@supr.scm.liv.ac.uk>
Subject: Origami for the Connoisseur (Yes, the famous rose!)

I just found a copy of Origami for the Connoisseur---I had it on
order, but the distributers had run out of stock, so I took a trip to
London and found it there.

I spent a very enjoyable weekend trying to fold Toshikazu Kawasaki's
Rose, and wow! what an amazing fold.  Mine still aren't as flat and
curvy looking as the photo's, but that may well be the paper I'm
using.  (I think 15cm is a bit too small, and the only larger paper I
have around doesn't feel right.)

Lots of the other folds are great too, BTW, I just wanted to make the
rose, so I've spent less time on the rest!  (I have managed to make
about 10 of the icosahedra, which kind of look OK, so long as the
right triangle is at the bottom, out of sight!)

Hope to see some of you this September in London.  (I hope to make it
for a day, anyway.  Can't really take any more time, unfortunately.)
Bruce
--
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 22:20:44 EDT
From: Jack <STO@cornella.cit.cornell.edu>
Subject: Remove me from list

Well, this is unfortunately my last message to this Origami mailing
list.  I have now finished my degree at Cornell Univ and now I must
return to my country, Mexico.  I will keep in touch trough the Friends,
conventions, etc.  I am still working on the computer origami program
that some of you migh have read about in this list.  If you are
interested, you can contact me via regular mail at:

   Jack Fastag
   Ret. Fuente de Leones 38
   Tecamachalco, Edo. de Mex. 53950
     MEXICO

I will try to get a computer account (maybe Compuserve) when I get
there and ask to join this forum if I do.  In the meantime, please
remove my name from this mailing list, and hope to see you all in
future conventions!
                      Jack






Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 22:53:17 PDT
From: vann@andataco.com
Subject: Bibliograhy project

If anyone has any ideas, I'd like to hear them.

The topic of concern is the classifications of models
that are being documented by some members of the
Friends of the Origami Center in New York.

We have close to 900 models documented from 20 books.
The question of classification is easy with animals
however, there seems to be some latitude with other
models.

If anyone is willing to let me know your thoughts, I'd
appreciate your comments.

V'Ann
vann@andataco.com






Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 08:50:50 PDT
From: Frances Koo <koo@tcville.hac.com>
Subject: Origami Categories

V'ann -

How about some categories for how they may be used?  For example, seasonal
origami (Christmas, Valentine's Day, etc.), decorative origami, and utility
ones (e.g.  boxes, envelops, etc.)

    Frances






Date: 2 Sep 92 09:10:40 MET-1
From: "Maarten.J.van.Gelder" <MAARTEN@RC.RUG.NL>
Subject: Bibliography project

V'Ann,

This classification system looks fine to me.  While starting our database we
encountered also this problem of classification.  We have adopted a single
category system and added a comment field.

Some comments:

 - Some models don't just fit in one category.  See 'boy on dolfin'; is it
   human or complex or both?
 - You didn't give subcategories for 'leaf' but I am sure there are.  But that
   is no problem: this system can handle that.
 - What to do with units and segments? These are not complex but you can build
   complex things with them.
 - What to do with simple foldings of more than one sheet?

Maarten van Gelder                                      MAARTEN@RC.RUG.NL
Lichtboei 210                   Rekencentrum Rijksuniversiteit RuG
9732 JK  Groningen              Groningen
Holland                         Holland






Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 8:59:39 EDT
From: Maverick <shoopak@romulus.rutgers.edu>
Subject: Re: Bibliography project

I like the classification system too, but what about modular folds?  How
would they be grouped?  By shape, functionality, or minimum number of units
required to make a basic structure?

That's just an example.  However, I like what I see, and I hope to see it
grow into something even greater.  (Can you tell I've been plagued by
political rhetoric recently? =)

-r.






Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 09:38:31 PDT
From: andataco!vann@UCSD.EDU (V'Ann Cornelius)
Subject: Re:  Bibliography project

>>
>> This classification system looks fine to me.  While starting our database we
>> encountered also this problem of classification.  We have adopted a single
>> category system and added a comment field.
>>
>> Some comments:
>>
>> - Some models don't just fit in one category.  See 'boy on dolfin'; is it
>>    human or complex or both?

   Good Point... I've been calling these compound meaning more than one idea.
   As you noted 'boy on a dolphin', 'birds in a bird bath', 'palm tree on a
   desert island with surfer' all require special folding skill.  I believe
   that anyone who is asking for these will be a capable folder. I am not
   including nuances of complexity.  I believe that the beginning levels are
   more an issue since success is more at risk in the beginning.

   I'm interested in any opinions on this.

>> - You didn't give subcategories for 'leaf' but I am sure there are.  But that
>>    is no problem: this system can handle that.

      Thanks for mentioning this. I'll add 'leaf'.

>> - What to do with units and segments? These are not complex but you can build
>>    complex things with them.
>> - What to do with simple foldings of more than one sheet?
>>
     Unit and segments are currently being merged with standard models.
     The program has three questions:  is it modular?  How many sheets?
     are they uniform?
     Currently we are  saying the animals made with two sheets are modular
     with non-uniform units.
     When we talk about Fuse's work, my experience has been that while the
     units themselves may be simple (or not), the locking of the units into
     the whole is non-trivial..  We have not started Fuse's books yet...
     Please send me any thoughts you have on classifying her work.

     Note the premise in the above comment. The focus needs to stay on
     the person who will be wanting information. If the locking is going to
     cause all of them to be 'intermediate ?', maybe we need another field
     to identify difficulty for modulars ????

Thanks,

-v'ann-                             1828 Dora Drive
                                    Cardiff-by-the-Sea, CA 92007
vann@andataco.com                   (619) 753-9623






Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 09:20:20 PDT
From: vann@andataco.com
Subject: Re: Bibliography project

>>
>> I like the classification system too, but what about modular folds?  How
>> would they be grouped?  By shape, functionality, or minimum number of units
>> required to make a basic structure?
>>
Right now the modular folds have been merged with the other models. There is
a field asking if the model is modular and if yes, how many sheets are
required. The next question asks if the units are uniform.  Therefore
the camel in World of Origami that takes two sheets, is listed as an
animal, mammal, camel... modular with two non-uniform units.

The program will retrieve on any field so we can list only modulars
if needed.

Thanks for the comment,
v'ann






Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:51:20 -0500
From: Brad Blumenthal <brad@bert.eecs.uic.edu>
Subject: Somber notice

This news is somewhat out of date, but Lillian Oppenheimer, the
long-time leader of the American origami community, died this past
summer.  She will be deeply missed.

I had the opportunity to meet her at the New York convention in 1990,
and all I can say is that she was one of those few people that you
meet who radiates a presence.  She was truly elegant in every way.

I only found out about this by reading it in an old doctor's office
copy of People.....

Take care,
brad






Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 08:08 EST
From: ACPQUINN%midd.bitnet@omnigate.clarkson.edu
Subject: RE:Bibliography

About the origami bibliography...
        -I read through the list of categories from V'ann a while ago, and in
         "echinoderms" there was only one model.  If somebody was doing
         nobody is doing it?  I'll be glad to do it if this is the case.

        -V'Ann, I've finished "African Animals" (actually, I finished it a long
            time ago), but I've been waiting for a list of categories like this,

         and now that I've got one, how about a list of "types of folds used?"
        -I may not be able to finish "Spirals" by Tomoko Fuse.  The Japanese
         teacher that I knew a couple years ago wasn't here this year.  Still,
         I'll do my best.

        -Incidentally, I read a couple of interesting-looking titles of models
         in the last few messages...e.g. "Witch on a Broomstick" and
         "Palm tree on a Desert Island with Surfer."  Could someone tell me
         where I can find directions for these?

                Thanx,
                        Alasdair C. Post-Quinn
                        See Ya at Convention '93!






Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 07:31 EST
From: ACPQUINN%midd.bitnet@omnigate.clarkson.edu
Subject: new book?

A friend of mine just told me that he had acquired a new book from somewhere
in Bar Harbor, Maine.  Supposedly, the book is in english, and is full of
complex insects, such as a walking stick, a cockroach, and a praying mantis.
Has anybody heard of a book like this?  Perhaps "Origami Gli Insetti" has been
translated into english?  If you've heard of it, please send me information.
Thanx and see ya at the convention,
                        Alasdair C. Post-Quinn
