Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 10:08:02 -1000 From: jtavo@aol.com (JTavo) Message-Id: <2t7sr2$f1q@search01.news.aol.com> Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Lurker responds to sleeving spectra Hello eveyone! I've been lurking for about a month now and have enjoyed everything on rec-kites. Since this is my first posting,I'll try to be brief. Ihave been flying kites for over ten years and been a competitor on the east coast (and other events) for the last five years. Most of my friends and I have found that sleeving spectra line to be a waste of time. I have not sleeved any of my spectra and have not had one failure at the knot. If the knot of the line is the weakest, even with sleeving,then why does the line almost always break about 5 inches from the Knot? Besides, if I am going to have line snap, I want it to Break at the knot,and not in the middle! BTW my line sets consist 80# line for my Scorpions to 300# line for stacks of flexis and my buggy set up. I'd like to here from other people who have given up the frustrating practice of sleeving spectra. John Tavolacci jtavo@aol.com = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 19:24:32 -1000 From: Thom Shanken Message-Id: Organization: Delphi (info@delphi.com email, 800-695-4005 voice) Subject: Re: Lurker responds to sleeving spectra JTavo writes: > I have not sleeved any of my spectra and have not had one >failure at the knot. If the knot of the line is the weakest, even >with sleeving,then why does the line almost always break about 5 >inches from the Knot? Besides, if I am going to have line snap, I >want it to Break at the knot,and not in the middle! >BTW my line sets consist 80# line for my Scorpions to 300# line for >stacks of flexis and my buggy set up. I'd like to here from other >people who have given up the frustrating practice of sleeving >spectra. Hi John! I just thought I'd add my "two cents worth." I have "Spiderline" brand spectra that dates back to sometime around 1986 or 1987 (I'm really not [knot] sure), I have NEVER sleeved spectra and have NEVER had a break at the knot. I will also add though, that I HAVE experienced the same breaking that you mention approx. five (5) inches (13mm) from the knot. For what its worth.... Thom :-) = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 00:30:50 -1000 From: salanne@convex.csc.FI (Simo Salanne) Message-Id: <2t9fcq$e86@pobox.csc.fi> Organization: Centre for Scintific Computing Subject: Re: Lurker responds to sleeving spectra In <2t7sr2$f1q@search01.news.aol.com> jtavo@aol.com (JTavo) writes: > I have not sleeved any of my spectra and have not had one >failure at the knot. If the knot of the line is the weakest, even >with sleeving,then why does the line almost always break about 5 >inches from the Knot? I don't know, my sleeved spectra lines don't break at knot, or nearby:-) I'll _try_ to abandon old lines before they break in the middle. >stacks of flexis and my buggy set up. I'd like to here from other >people who have given up the frustrating practice of sleeving >spectra. I have changed the "frustrating practice" to a pleasant kite building activity by getting a good (self made) sleeving tool (1 ft loop of piano wire). I imagine that unsleeved 50 lb spectra which is larks headed on the bridle, is frustrating to unknot, and wears pretty soon. Smooth Sleeving Simo -- Simo.Salanne@csc.fi STACK Finland = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 21:59:01 -1000 From: computergy@aol.com (Computergy) Message-Id: <2t96g5$q7c@search01.news.aol.com> Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Lurker responds to sleeving spectra I seem to be a wimp, but I have never broken a line. I do sleeve my lines because everyone I know sleeves there lines. I do cheat a little and use sleeves that have a small piece of line already strung through them. I usually buy those for 25 cents a piece which is cheap considering how much you paid for the Spectra Line. Random Thought: Maybe the sleeving gives the not a better grip on the connecting line?...just a thought Computergy@aol.com All knowledge is power -- Emerson = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Sat, 11 Jun 1994 00:34:09 -1000 From: harris@bhc.com (Bob Harris) Message-Id: Organization: Bob Harris Consulting Subject: Re: Lurker responds to sleeving spectra In Article <2t7sr2$f1q@search01.news.aol.com>, jtavo@aol.com (JTavo) wrote: > >Hello eveyone! > >I've been lurking for about a month now and have enjoyed everything >on rec-kites. >Since this is my first posting,I'll try to be brief. Ihave been >flying kites for over ten years and been a competitor on the east >coast (and other events) for the last five years. Most of my friends >and I have found that sleeving spectra line to be a waste of time. Isn't there a kind of line that is part spectra and part dacron that does not require sleeving? I know my main kite line source Hang-em High does not carry it though they do have great prices on spectra. Does anyone else know of a discount source for this type of line? Thanks Bob Harris 8 :-) = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Mon, 13 Jun 1994 12:24:33 -1000 From: andrew@tug.com (Andrew Beattie) Message-Id: Organization: /usr/lib/news/organisation Subject: Re: Lurker responds to sleeving spectra Thom Shanken writes: >I have NEVER sleeved spectra and have NEVER had a break >at the knot. As a counterpoint, I flew power kites on unsleeved 300lb Spectra twice within my first year of flying. Both times, I broke it within a few minutes of vigerous flying. On the other hand, I now fly bigger kites but put less strain on both the equipment or myself. I often double up the line and attatch with an unsleeved larkshead and havn't yet broken my 275lb Spectra this way. The only time that I've had a not-at-the-knot break was when I tried to grab a flyaway stack with tangled lines. Fortunately the line cut through it'sself before making more than 25progress through my finger. Andrew -- Please note: I have been suffering from mail/news delay. Netiquette-of-the-day: Take care to attribute quotes correctly. You can FTP the kite FAQ's from ftp.hawaii.edu (directory /pub/rec/kites/faq) The FAQ's have lists of kites, kite stores, kite questions, kite books & plans. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =