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> Waldek Hebisch <hebisch@math.uni.wroc.pl> writes:
> 
> [...]
> 
> | > which translates to
> | > 
> | >         ('|member| |kind| '("o" "k" "c" "d" "p"))
> | > 
> | 
> | Indeed.  I have tried some other variation and did not work. So the
> | following should be enough:
> 
> Did you test it?
> 
> My build says fails with:
> 
>    Compiling alql.clisp.
>    ; (DEFUN |getBrowseDatabase| ...) is being compiled.
>    ;;; The function '|member| is illegal.
>    No FASL generated.
>    NIL
> 
> I'll look into this later.
> 

I see.  I did make in existing tree and I have checked that it produced
the expected 'alql.clisp' file.  And the resulting binary worked
as expected.  However, the full build fails and after removing by
hand 'alql.o' also build in existing tree fails...

It is still a mistery for me when our Makefile really re-make things...

-- 
                              Waldek Hebisch
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Waldek Hebisch <hebisch@math.uni.wroc.pl> writes:

| > Waldek Hebisch <hebisch@math.uni.wroc.pl> writes:
| > 
| > [...]
| > 
| > | > which translates to
| > | > 
| > | >         ('|member| |kind| '("o" "k" "c" "d" "p"))
| > | > 
| > | 
| > | Indeed.  I have tried some other variation and did not work. So the
| > | following should be enough:
| > 
| > Did you test it?
| > 
| > My build says fails with:
| > 
| >    Compiling alql.clisp.
| >    ; (DEFUN |getBrowseDatabase| ...) is being compiled.
| >    ;;; The function '|member| is illegal.
| >    No FASL generated.
| >    NIL
| > 
| > I'll look into this later.
| > 
| 
| I see.  I did make in existing tree and I have checked that it produced
| the expected 'alql.clisp' file.  And the resulting binary worked
| as expected.  However, the full build fails and after removing by
| hand 'alql.o' also build in existing tree fails...
| 
| It is still a mistery for me when our Makefile really re-make things...

After a change, it is safer to make either mostlyclean or clean.

-- Gaby



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| Gaby, it seems that your change:
| 
| 2006-11-19  Gabriel Dos Reis  <gdr@cs.tamu.edu>
| 
|         * Makefile.pamphlet (alql.boot): Translate with bootsys.
|         * Makefile.in: Regenerate.
| 
| broke examples in Chapter 13 of Axiom book.

All the examples?

-- Gaby



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Waldek Hebisch <hebisch@math.uni.wroc.pl> writes:


[...]

| > Yes, member is a kind of library function in new Boot. Every symbol
| > goes through bfReName (boot/tytree1.boot).  However, you can pretend
| > that you have a function member that is not a library function if you
| > write its name as a string literal
| > 
| >   "member"(kind, '("o" "k" "c" "d" "p"))
| > 
| > which translates to
| > 
| >         ('|member| |kind| '("o" "k" "c" "d" "p"))
| > 
| 
| Indeed.  I have tried some other variation and did not work. So the
| following should be enough:

I misled you.  Sorry.  Shoe is "incomplete", so that the above does
not work right.

Brute force grep shows that getBrowseDatabase is not used in
src/interp.  I'm going to remove the quote to allow build and put this
issue on the TODO list (more precisely, an audit of all users of
member, and other special shoe functions).

-- Gaby



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> Waldek Hebisch <hebisch@math.uni.wroc.pl> writes:
> 
> | Gaby, it seems that your change:
> | 
> | 2006-11-19  Gabriel Dos Reis  <gdr@cs.tamu.edu>
> | 
> |         * Makefile.pamphlet (alql.boot): Translate with bootsys.
> |         * Makefile.in: Regenerate.
> | 
> | broke examples in Chapter 13 of Axiom book.
> 
> All the examples?
> 

The block in 13.13.8 using 'getDatabase'.

-- 
                              Waldek Hebisch
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Le jeudi 30 novembre 2006 =E0 14:43 -0500, Bill Page a =E9crit :

[...]

> >=20
> > (and (a > -1.0) (a < 1.0))
> >=20
> > This is not Lisp code :-)
> >
>=20
> Oh! Duh, <embarrassment> ...
>=20
> So this doesn't cause an error when compiling Axiom with GCL?

No this does not cause an error. I'm wrong when I say that this is not
Lisp code, but since I know the intentions of the author, I inferred
that he used another language.

> Does  #+(or :cmu :akcl cause it to be excluded?

No, akcl and gcl are actually, apparently, synonyms.

>=20
> But maybe for the sake of other lisp targets rather than deleting
> it, maybe re-writing it to correct the error would be better?
>=20
> Anyway. No problem. You decide.

I leave it as it is now.

Greg




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Gabriel Dos Reis wrote:
> Waldek Hebisch <hebisch@math.uni.wroc.pl> writes:
> 
> 
> [...]
> 
> | > Yes, member is a kind of library function in new Boot. Every symbol
> | > goes through bfReName (boot/tytree1.boot).  However, you can pretend
> | > that you have a function member that is not a library function if you
> | > write its name as a string literal
> | > 
> | >   "member"(kind, '("o" "k" "c" "d" "p"))
> | > 
> | > which translates to
> | > 
> | >         ('|member| |kind| '("o" "k" "c" "d" "p"))
> | > 
> | 
> | Indeed.  I have tried some other variation and did not work. So the
> | following should be enough:
> 
> I misled you.  Sorry.  Shoe is "incomplete", so that the above does
> not work right.
> 
> Brute force grep shows that getBrowseDatabase is not used in
> src/interp.  I'm going to remove the quote to allow build and put this
> issue on the TODO list (more precisely, an audit of all users of
> member, and other special shoe functions).
> 

Yes, getBrowseDatabase is only used in examples in 13.13.8.  Since I am
working on generating .pht files this matters for me.

The change below went trough full bootstrap and has working 
getBrowseDatabase.  Also the patch I orignally proposed bootstraped OK.

--- /home/s/test/tt/axiom5/build-improvements/src/interp/alql.boot.pamphlet	2006-12-01 02:43:19.000000000 +0100
+++ build-improvements/src/interp/alql.boot.pamphlet	2006-12-01 14:28:18.000000000 +0100
@@ -50,7 +50,7 @@
 
 getBrowseDatabase(kind) ==
   $includeUnexposed? : local := true
-  not "member"(kind,'("o" "k" "c" "d" "p")) => nil
+  not FUNCALL("member",kind,'("o" "k" "c" "d" "p")) => nil
   grepConstruct('"*",INTERN kind)
 
 stringMatches?(pattern,subject) ==



-- 
                              Waldek Hebisch
hebisch@math.uni.wroc.pl 



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On Tue November 14 2006 18:43, you wrote:

> This would be most appreciated, and I'd be happy to lend assistance.
> Knowledge of the ia64 reloc definitions is obviously key, though I put
> together the alpha version mostly as a guesswork based on the mips
> example.  If ia64 were done, we could also share with the lush
> project, on which the original sfaslbfd_mips was inspired.  And
> someday it would be great to get this back into bfd upstream.
>
> The basic idea is that each section of the .o file has a got table
> appended to handle the relocs that refer to the special gp register
> value.
I have been studying ld.so and also Xorg as that has a loader function.
Its not clear to me that they handle just the same set of relocs.
The R_IA64_ defines in elf.h have two bit fields for the ia64 and
these are used in ld.so but that info seems not to be used in Xorg.
And bfd uses an enum so such structuring of the values isn't
possible.
I notice some comments about a standalone version of the loader
code. That should be very helpful if it works.
You said something about the heap having to do with the dlopen version
not working but I noticed some things that made me think that
dynamic linking, ie letting the lisp code access vars by name
was an issue. Can you provide more detail?
Any suggestions would be helpful.

Richard



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Vanuxem Gregory <g.vanuxem@wanadoo.fr> writes:

[...]

| > Does  #+(or :cmu :akcl cause it to be excluded?
| 
| No, akcl and gcl are actually, apparently, synonyms.

Indeed -- given the history of GCL.

-- Gaby



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Waldek Hebisch <hebisch@math.uni.wroc.pl> writes:

| Gabriel Dos Reis wrote:
| > Waldek Hebisch <hebisch@math.uni.wroc.pl> writes:
| > 
| > 
| > [...]
| > 
| > | > Yes, member is a kind of library function in new Boot. Every symbol
| > | > goes through bfReName (boot/tytree1.boot).  However, you can pretend
| > | > that you have a function member that is not a library function if you
| > | > write its name as a string literal
| > | > 
| > | >   "member"(kind, '("o" "k" "c" "d" "p"))
| > | > 
| > | > which translates to
| > | > 
| > | >         ('|member| |kind| '("o" "k" "c" "d" "p"))
| > | > 
| > | 
| > | Indeed.  I have tried some other variation and did not work. So the
| > | following should be enough:
| > 
| > I misled you.  Sorry.  Shoe is "incomplete", so that the above does
| > not work right.
| > 
| > Brute force grep shows that getBrowseDatabase is not used in
| > src/interp.  I'm going to remove the quote to allow build and put this
| > issue on the TODO list (more precisely, an audit of all users of
| > member, and other special shoe functions).
| > 
| 
| Yes, getBrowseDatabase is only used in examples in 13.13.8.  Since I am
| working on generating .pht files this matters for me.
| 
| The change below went trough full bootstrap and has working 
| getBrowseDatabase.  Also the patch I orignally proposed bootstraped OK.

OK.  Please update README.build-improvements for auditing use of
special shoe functions.  I tried to commit before leaving home but
it failed and I did not have time to investigate further.

-- Gaby



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Hi,

  Did we overflow our quota ay SF?

-- Gaby



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On December 1, 2006 11:51 AM Vanuxem Gregory wrote:

> 
> > > 
> > > (and (a > -1.0) (a < 1.0))
> > > 
> > > This is not Lisp code :-)
> > >
> > 
> > Oh! Duh, <embarrassment> ...
> > 
> > So this doesn't cause an error when compiling Axiom with GCL?
> 
> No this does not cause an error. I'm wrong when I say that this
> is not Lisp code, but since I know the intentions of the author,
> I inferred that he used another language.
> 
> > Does  #+(or :cmu :akcl cause it to be excluded?
> 
> No, akcl and gcl are actually, apparently, synonyms.
> 

Ok, but now I *am* even more confused. As far as I can see

  (and (a > -1.0) (a < 1.0))

is syntactically incorrect in any Lisp implementation. (Which is
what I thought you meant when you said it was not lisp code.) Why
do you now say that you were "wrong"? If this code is not excluded
somehow, why doesn't this cause an error when compiling Axiom?

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On December 1, 2006 1:53 PM Gabriel Dos Reis asked?
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>   Did we overflow our quota ay SF?
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Is there a quota at SourceForge?

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> > > > 
> > > > (and (a > -1.0) (a < 1.0))
> > > > 
> > > > This is not Lisp code :-)
> > > >
> > > 
> > > Oh! Duh, <embarrassment> ...
> > > 
> > > So this doesn't cause an error when compiling Axiom with GCL?
> > 
> > No this does not cause an error. I'm wrong when I say that this
> > is not Lisp code, but since I know the intentions of the author,
> > I inferred that he used another language.
> > 
> > > Does  #+(or :cmu :akcl cause it to be excluded?
> > 
> > No, akcl and gcl are actually, apparently, synonyms.
> > 
> 
> Ok, but now I *am* even more confused. As far as I can see
> 
>   (and (a > -1.0) (a < 1.0))
> 
> is syntactically incorrect in any Lisp implementation. (Which is
> what I thought you meant when you said it was not lisp code.) Why
> do you now say that you were "wrong"? If this code is not excluded
> somehow, why doesn't this cause an error when compiling Axiom?


The > and < are just symbols so this is equivalent to calling two 
functions, a and b with the value of the symbol > and an integer.

do the following:

(setq < 3)
(setq > 4)
(defun a (x y) (list x y))
(defun foo () (if (and (a > -1.0) (a < 1.0)) 0 1))
(foo)

when foo is called the function a is first called with the
value of > and -1.0 resulting in the list '(4 -1.0). then
a is called with the value of < and 1.0 resulting in the
list '(3 1.0). Then we compute (and '(4 -1.0) '(3 1.0))
which is equivalent of (and t t) so the if statement 
returns a zero. Since this is the last expression the
result of the function foo is 0

t



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"Bill Page" <bill.page1@synthesis.anikast.ca> writes:

| On December 1, 2006 1:53 PM Gabriel Dos Reis asked?
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| >   Did we overflow our quota ay SF?
| > 
| 
| Is there a quota at SourceForge?

I sincerely don't know :-)

I'm asking because any attempt I make to create new files, or rename
files is met with resistance along the line of:

RA layer request failed: COPY of ChangeLog.silver: 403 Forbidden (https://svn.sourceforge.net)

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> | On December 1, 2006 1:53 PM Gabriel Dos Reis asked?
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> | >   Did we overflow our quota ay SF?
> | > 
> | 
> | Is there a quota at SourceForge?
> 
> I sincerely don't know :-)
> 
> I'm asking because any attempt I make to create new files, or rename
> files is met with resistance along the line of:
> 
> RA layer request failed: COPY of ChangeLog.silver: 403 Forbidden (https://svn.sourceforge.net)

maybe SVN has a pending lock?
is there a way to run cleanup on the host?

t



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On December 1, 2006 2:27 PM Tim Daly wrote:
> > 
> > Ok, but now I *am* even more confused. As far as I can see
> > 
> >   (and (a > -1.0) (a < 1.0))
> > 
> > is syntactically incorrect in any Lisp implementation. (Which
> > is what I thought you meant when you said it was not lisp code.)
> > Why do you now say that you were "wrong"? If this code is not
> > excluded somehow, why doesn't this cause an error when compiling
> > Axiom?
> 
> 
> The > and < are just symbols so this is equivalent to calling
> two functions, a and b with the value of the symbol > and an
> integer.
> ...

I am sorry for taking this out of proper context. The code
in question is:

(defun asec (a)
  (if (and (a > -1.0) (a < 1.0))
    0.0
    (acos (/ 1.0 a))))

But yes, you are right this does compile. So now I feel suckered
twice: first because I didn't notice that it was wrong and second
because I did not notice that it was right. :-)

> do the following:
> 
> (setq < 3)
> (setq > 4)
> (defun a (x y) (list x y))
> (defun foo () (if (and (a > -1.0) (a < 1.0)) 0 1))
> (foo)
> ...

Ya, well ... I guess that's what I hate about Lisp. ;) It always
makes me feel so stupid...

Regards,
Bill Page.





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root <daly@axiom-developer.org> writes:

| > | On December 1, 2006 1:53 PM Gabriel Dos Reis asked?
| > | > 
| > | >   Did we overflow our quota ay SF?
| > | > 
| > | 
| > | Is there a quota at SourceForge?
| > 
| > I sincerely don't know :-)
| > 
| > I'm asking because any attempt I make to create new files, or rename
| > files is met with resistance along the line of:
| > 
| > RA layer request failed: COPY of ChangeLog.silver: 403 Forbidden (https://svn.sourceforge.net)
| 
| maybe SVN has a pending lock?

That is interesting, because I'm able to change existing files, but
not create new ones.

| is there a way to run cleanup on the host?

In theory, in theory because I never actually did it at SF, we have
ability to perform administrative tasks at SF.

I'm not going to do it right now, because I'm not concentrated and my
little boy likes my keyboard -- so I'm not sure axiomatizers would
appreciate his take on keyboards :-)

-- Gaby



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> "Bill Page" <bill.page1@synthesis.anikast.ca> writes:
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> | On December 1, 2006 1:53 PM Gabriel Dos Reis asked?
> | > 
> | >   Did we overflow our quota ay SF?
> | > 
> | 
> | Is there a quota at SourceForge?
> 
> I sincerely don't know :-)
> 
> I'm asking because any attempt I make to create new files, or rename
> files is met with resistance along the line of:
> 
> RA layer request failed: COPY of ChangeLog.silver: 403 Forbidden (https://svn.sourceforge.net)
> 

SourceForge claims that there is no quota for SVN.  In principle we
may hit into some limitations of SVN or underlying filesystem, but this
seems unlikely.

I just added a directory and two files to wh-sandbox and it worked
fine.

-- 
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[...]

| I just added a directory and two files to wh-sandbox and it worked
| fine.

OK.  So, something must be wrong with me.

Can you try to rename the toplevel ChangeLog to ChangeLog.silver on
build-improvements?

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| maybe SVN has a pending lock?

There no locks in the SF repo.

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> Waldek Hebisch <hebisch@math.uni.wroc.pl> writes:
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> 
> [...]
> 
> | I just added a directory and two files to wh-sandbox and it worked
> | fine.
> 
> OK.  So, something must be wrong with me.
> 
> Can you try to rename the toplevel ChangeLog to ChangeLog.silver on
> build-improvements?
> 
> Thanks,
> 

When I tried I got the same error as you:

svn: COPY of ChangeLog.silver: 403 Forbidden (https://svn.sourceforge.net)

So maybe there is something special in this file???

Or, maybe the problem is just with renames (I _added_ files and a 
directory)???

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Waldek Hebisch <hebisch@math.uni.wroc.pl> writes:

| > Waldek Hebisch <hebisch@math.uni.wroc.pl> writes:
| > 
| > 
| > [...]
| > 
| > | I just added a directory and two files to wh-sandbox and it worked
| > | fine.
| > 
| > OK.  So, something must be wrong with me.
| > 
| > Can you try to rename the toplevel ChangeLog to ChangeLog.silver on
| > build-improvements?
| > 
| > Thanks,
| > 
| 
| When I tried I got the same error as you:
| 
| svn: COPY of ChangeLog.silver: 403 Forbidden (https://svn.sourceforge.net)
| 
| So maybe there is something special in this file???

I don't know what is special about it.  I just remove it, and add it
back.  And that was fine.  Quite curious.

| Or, maybe the problem is just with renames (I _added_ files and a 
| directory)???

here must have been something special with that file.  I renamed other
files yesterday or the day before.

-- Gaby



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Subject: [Axiom-developer] openpty again, again
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I worked some on the patch, trying to incorporate the suggestions from:

http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2006-11/msg00687.html

How does it look now?

==== Patch <openpty-again> level 1
Source: [No source]
Target: 10b040b6-da22-0410-adf4-f09dab594101:/local:349
Log:

=== ChangeLog.build-improvements
==================================================================
--- ChangeLog.build-improvements	(revision 349)
+++ ChangeLog.build-improvements	(patch openpty-again level 1)
@@ -1,3 +1,13 @@
+2006-12-01  Humberto Ortiz-Zuazaga <humberto@hpcf.upr.edu>
+
+	* configure.ac.pamphlet: incorporated suggested changes from:
+	http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2006-11/msg00687.html
+
+2006-11-29  Humberto Ortiz-Zuazaga <humberto@hpcf.upr.edu>
+
+	* configure.ac.pamphlet: added tests for openpty, pty.h,
+	util.h and libutil
+
 2006-11-29  Gabriel Dos Reis  <gdr@cs.tamu.edu>
 
 	* configure.ac.pamphlet: Fix typo.
=== config/axiom-c-macros.h.in
==================================================================
--- config/axiom-c-macros.h.in	(revision 349)
+++ config/axiom-c-macros.h.in	(patch openpty-again level 1)
@@ -9,6 +9,12 @@
 /* Define to 1 if you have the <memory.h> header file. */
 #undef HAVE_MEMORY_H
 
+/* Define to 1 if you have the `openpty' function. */
+#undef HAVE_OPENPTY
+
+/* Define to 1 if you have the <pty.h> header file. */
+#undef HAVE_PTY_H
+
 /* Define to 1 if you have the <stdint.h> header file. */
 #undef HAVE_STDINT_H
 
@@ -30,6 +36,9 @@
 /* Define to 1 if you have the <unistd.h> header file. */
 #undef HAVE_UNISTD_H
 
+/* Define to 1 if you have the <util.h> header file. */
+#undef HAVE_UTIL_H
+
 /* Linux flavour */
 #undef LINUXplatform
 
=== config/var-def.mk
==================================================================
--- config/var-def.mk	(revision 349)
+++ config/var-def.mk	(patch openpty-again level 1)
@@ -118,6 +118,7 @@
 
 AXIOM_X11_CFLAGS = @X_CFLAGS@ 
 AXIOM_X11_LDFLAGS = @X_LIBS@ @X_PRE_LIBS@ -lX11 @X_EXTRA_LIBS@
+EXTRA_LIBS = @EXTRA_LIBS@
 
 axiom_includes = -I$(axiom_src_srcdir)/include -I$(axiom_configdir)
 
=== configure.ac.pamphlet
==================================================================
--- configure.ac.pamphlet	(revision 349)
+++ configure.ac.pamphlet	(patch openpty-again level 1)
@@ -683,8 +683,41 @@
 fi
 @
 
+\subsubsection{openpty}
 
+[[clef]] and [[sman]] use ptys to communicate with [[AXIOMsys]]. The
+existing code in silver doesn't work on MacOS X. We will try to build
+with the Unix98 standard [[openpty]] function. We need to detect two
+headers and a library. Linux has openpty defined in [[pty.h]], MacOS X
+define it in [[util.h]]. FreeBSD is supposed to have a definition in
+[[libutil.h]].
 
+<<headers>>=
+ AC_CHECK_HEADER([util.h], 
+                    [AC_DEFINE([HAVE_UTIL_H])],
+                    [AC_CHECK_HEADER([pty.h])
+                    ]) # HAVE_UTIL_H or HAVE_PTY_H
+
+ AC_CHECK_DECL([openpty], [], [],
+                  [#if HAVE_UTIL_H
+                   # include <util.h>
+                   #elif HAVE_PTY_H
+                   # include <pty.h>
+                   #endif
+                  ]) # HAVE_OPENPTY_DECL
+@
+
+On linux the openpty function is in [[libutil]]. We need to add that to
+the list of libraries, at least for [[sman]] and [[clef]].
+
+<<extra libraries>>=
+AC_CHECK_LIB([util], [openpty],
+                 [AC_DEFINE([HAVE_OPENPTY])
+                  EXTRA_LIBS="$EXTRA_LIBS -lutil"
+                 ]) # HAVE_OPENPTY
+AC_SUBST(EXTRA_LIBS)
+@
+
 \section{A note about comments}
 \label{sec:comment}
 
@@ -727,6 +760,8 @@
 
 <<headers>>
 
+<<extra libraries>>
+
 <<define AXIOM>>
 
 <<platform specific bits>>
=== src/clef/ChangeLog.build-improvements
==================================================================
--- src/clef/ChangeLog.build-improvements	(revision 349)
+++ src/clef/ChangeLog.build-improvements	(patch openpty-again level 1)
@@ -1,3 +1,7 @@
+2006-11-29  Humberto Ortiz-Zuazaga <humberto@hpcf.upr.edu>
+
+	* Makefile.pamphlet: add -lutil to clef link flags if needed
+
 2006-11-26  Gabriel Dos Reis  <gdr@cs.tamu.edu>
 
 	* edible.c.pamphlet: Include "axiom-c-macros.h"
=== src/clef/Makefile.pamphlet
==================================================================
--- src/clef/Makefile.pamphlet	(revision 349)
+++ src/clef/Makefile.pamphlet	(patch openpty-again level 1)
@@ -23,7 +23,7 @@
 
 clef_objects = $(clef_sources:.c=.$(OBJEXT)) 
 
-clef_LDADD = -L$(abs_top_builddir)/src/lib -lspad
+clef_LDADD = -L$(abs_top_builddir)/src/lib -lspad $(EXTRA_LIBS)
 clef_DEPENDENCIES =
 @
 
=== src/lib/ChangeLog.build-improvements
==================================================================
--- src/lib/ChangeLog.build-improvements	(revision 349)
+++ src/lib/ChangeLog.build-improvements	(patch openpty-again level 1)
@@ -1,3 +1,7 @@
+2006-11-29  Humberto Ortiz Zuazaga <humberto@hpcf.upr.edu>
+
+	* openpty.c.pamphlet: use openpty if available
+
 2006-11-26  Gabriel Dos Reis  <gdr@cs.tamu.edu>
 
 	* XDither.c.pamphlet: Include axiom-c-macros.h
=== src/lib/openpty.c.pamphlet
==================================================================
--- src/lib/openpty.c.pamphlet	(revision 349)
+++ src/lib/openpty.c.pamphlet	(patch openpty-again level 1)
@@ -10,17 +10,9 @@
 \tableofcontents
 \eject
 \section{MAC OSX and BSD platform changes}
-Since we have no other information we are adding the [[MACOSXplatform]] variable
-to the list everywhere we find [[LINUXplatform]]. This may not be correct but
-we have no way to know yet. We have also added the [[BSDplatform]] variable.
-MAC OSX is some variant of BSD. These should probably be merged but we
-cannot yet prove that.
-<<mac osx platform change 1>>=
-#if defined(SUN4OS5platform) ||defined(ALPHAplatform) || defined(HP10platform) || defined(LINUXplatform) || defined(MACOSXplatform) || defined(BSDplatform)
-@
-<<mac osx platform change 2>>=
-#if defined(SUNplatform) || defined(HP9platform) || defined(LINUXplatform) || defined(MACOSXplatform) || defined(BSDplatform)
-@
+We should really use autotools to check for Unix 98 pty support.
+Before this is done below we hardcode information about each platform.
+
 \section{License}
 <<license>>=
 /*
@@ -71,7 +63,24 @@
 #include <stropts.h>
 #endif
 
+#ifdef HAVE_OPENPTY_DECL
+#  if HAVE_UTIL_H
+#    include <util.h>
+#  elif HAVE_PTY_H
+#    include <pty.h>
+# endif
+#elif HAVE_OPENPTY
+/* The symbol openpty is allegedly present but its
+   declaration was not found in any of the above headers.
+   So, we fake it here.  Note this is NOT a prototype
+   declaration.  */
+int openpty();
+#else 
+#  define AXIOM_DONT_USE_OPENPTY 1
+#endif
 
+#define AXIOM_USE_OPENPTY !AXIOM_DONT_USE_OPENPTY
+
 #include "openpty.H1"
 
 
@@ -97,6 +106,9 @@
 int  
 ptyopen(int *controller,int * server, char *controllerPath,char * serverPath)
 {
+#if AXIOM_USE_OPENPTY
+  return openpty(controller, server, serverPath, 0, 0);
+#else
 #if defined(SUNplatform) || defined (HP9platform) || defined(RTplatform) ||defined(AIX370platform) || defined(BSDplatform)
   int looking = 1, i;
   int oflag = O_RDWR;                  /* flag for opening the pty */
@@ -140,7 +152,8 @@
   return(fdm);
 #endif
 
-<<mac osx platform change 1>>
+/* MAC OS X 10.3 does not support Unix 98 pty's */
+#if defined(SUN4OS5platform) ||defined(ALPHAplatform) || defined(HP10platform) || defined(LINUXplatform) || defined(BSDplatform)
 extern int grantpt(int);
 extern int unlockpt(int);
 extern char* ptsname(int);
@@ -192,6 +205,7 @@
   return (*controller);
 
 #endif
+#endif
 }
 
 
@@ -204,7 +218,7 @@
 	sprintf(serv, "/dev/ttyp%02x", channelNo);
 	channelNo++;
 #endif
-<<mac osx platform change 2>>
+#if defined(SUNplatform) || defined(HP9platform) || defined(LINUXplatform) || defined(MACOSXplatform) || defined(BSDplatform)
 	static int channelNo = 0;
 	static char group[] = "pqrstuvwxyzPQRST";
 	static int groupNo = 0;
=== src/sman/ChangeLog.build-improvements
==================================================================
--- src/sman/ChangeLog.build-improvements	(revision 349)
+++ src/sman/ChangeLog.build-improvements	(patch openpty-again level 1)
@@ -1,3 +1,7 @@
+2006-11-29  Humberto Ortiz-Zuazaga <humberto@hpcf.upr.edu>
+
+	* Makefile.pamphlet: add -lutil to sman link flags if needed
+
 2006-11-29  Gabriel Dos Reis  <gdr@cs.tamu.edu>
 
 	* sman.c.pamphlet (should_I_clef): Recover lost return type.
=== src/sman/Makefile.pamphlet
==================================================================
--- src/sman/Makefile.pamphlet	(revision 349)
+++ src/sman/Makefile.pamphlet	(patch openpty-again level 1)
@@ -47,7 +47,7 @@
 sman_sources = sman.c
 sman_SOURCES = $(addsuffix .pamphlet, $(sman_sources))
 sman_objects = $(sman_sources:.c=.$(OBJEXT))
-sman_LDADD = -L$(build_libdir) -lspad
+sman_LDADD = -L$(build_libdir) -lspad $(EXTRA_LIBS)
 sman_DEPENDENCIES =
 
 

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Gabriel Dos Reis wrote:

> | > /mirror/axiom is now your local repo.  You can check out as
> | >=20
> | >   svk co /mirror/axiom/branches/build-improvements axiom.bi
> |=20
> | No, that won't work, or rather it works to check out the source, but =
I
> | can't svk patch that working directory.
>=20
> ?
>=20
> The above is what *I* _use_ to set up a repo directly "connected" to=20
> the master repo, in particular one for Axiom.

Yes, but can you svk patch --cat a patch you have created in that depot?

>=20
> | Those are the instructions I had
> | followed from the AxiomSilverBranch page on MathAction.
> |=20
> | The svk help intro page suggests a procedure like:
> |=20
> |     svk mirror
> |=20
> |       First, you'll need to mirror a remote repository. This sets up =
a
> |       local copy of that repository for you to branch from, merge to =
and
> |       otherwise poke at. The local path is sometimes called a "depot =
path."
> |=20
> |           # This command sets up the mirror directory for your local
> |           # mirrors of remote repositories
> |           svk mkdir //mirror
>=20
> This creates a local branch in your default depot, so it effectively
> is "deconnected" from the Axiom repo.  Is that what you want?

I guess not. I tried it, but still get errors trying to work with the
patch I've made:

$ svk patch --cat openpty-again --depot /axiom/
Target not local nor mirrored, unable to view patch.

I just want the svk patch commands to work. Maybe it's some bug in the
Mac OS X version of svk I'm using. The only thing related I can see on
google is:

http://lists.samba.org/archive/samba-technical/2005-September/042700.html=


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humberto@hpcf.upr.edu wrote:
> I worked some on the patch, trying to incorporate the suggestions from:=

>=20
> http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2006-11/msg00687.h=
tml
>=20
> How does it look now?

Aaugh! It didn't work!

$ axiom
fork_Axiom: Failed to reopen server: No such file or directory
clef trying to get the initial terminal settings: Operation not
supported on socket

Sorry.

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Humberto Ortiz-Zuazaga <humberto@hpcf.upr.edu> writes:

| humberto@hpcf.upr.edu wrote:
| > I worked some on the patch, trying to incorporate the suggestions from:
| > 
| > http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2006-11/msg00687.html
| > 
| > How does it look now?
| 
| Aaugh! It didn't work!
| 
| $ axiom
| fork_Axiom: Failed to reopen server: No such file or directory
| clef trying to get the initial terminal settings: Operation not
| supported on socket
| 
| Sorry.

Please don't.  I'm working in that same area.  I'll take on the ball
and post something for you to test.

| 
| -- 
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| Programmer-Archaeologist
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Gabriel Dos Reis wrote:
> Humberto Ortiz-Zuazaga <humberto@hpcf.upr.edu> writes:
> 
> | humberto@hpcf.upr.edu wrote:
> | > I worked some on the patch, trying to incorporate the suggestions from:
> | > 
> | > http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2006-11/msg00687.html
> | > 
> | > How does it look now?
> | 
> | Aaugh! It didn't work!
> | 
> | $ axiom
> | fork_Axiom: Failed to reopen server: No such file or directory
> | clef trying to get the initial terminal settings: Operation not
> | supported on socket
> | 
> | Sorry.
> 
> Please don't.  I'm working in that same area.  I'll take on the ball
> and post something for you to test.
>

Earler Gaby proposed:

   #elif HAVE_OPENPTY
   /* The symbol openpty is allegedly present but its
      declaration was not found in any of the above headers.
      So, we fake it here.  Note this is NOT a prototype
      declaration.  */
   int openpty();
   #else
   #  define AXIOM_DONT_USE_OPENPTY 1
   #endif

   #define AXIOM_USE_OPENPTY !AXIOM_DONT_USE_OPENPTY

-------

That looks problematic (we do not set AXIOM_DONT_USE_OPENPTY to 0),
and I do not understand why to use so negative logic.  I would
either simply use HAVE_OPENPTY, or if you insist on having
AXIOM_USE_OPENPTY I would just say:

#ifdef HAVE_OPENPTY
#define AXIOM_USE_OPENPTY 1
#else
#define AXIOM_USE_OPENPTY 0
#endif

BTW: IIUC the fragment above should test for 'defind(HAVE_OPENPTY)' and
similar.

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Gabriel Dos Reis wrote:
> Waldek Hebisch <hebisch@math.uni.wroc.pl> writes:
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> | Normally when viewman dies sman re-spawns  a new copy...
> 
> This is a design flaw in sman and friends -- I came across it yesterday
> and thought "wait, this is an unbounded replication; nobody wants
> that!".  
> 

This behaviour is semi-reasonble:  Axiom creators treated Axiom and
supporting programs as an Internet server where clients come, request
some computation and go away while the core parts (AXIOMsys, sman, 
session, viewman, nagman) run for long time.

Anyway, if you look for design flaws, you will probably find many.
One example that I found few days ago: 'AXIOMsys' at various moments
sends 'EndOfOutput' command to 'session' and then go on to process
information sent by 'session'.  But session also sends commands
to 'AXIOMsys' and for some commands expects that 'AXIOMsys' will
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root <daly@axiom-developer.org> writes:

| > Aha!  So, in fact we can just remove libspad.a from that list since
| > nothing in GCL references symbols from libspad.a.  Is that correct?
| 
| correct? i don't know. the C connections and dependencies can be quite
| subtle (e.g. PLF usage). i can't say without checking but at some time
| we, the original axiom developers, or i, when recovering axiom, thought
| that it was needed. i could be wrong.

We cannot remove libspad.a, because Axiom still needs the definition
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I'm trying the other way that prompted my question earlier,
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Waldek Hebisch <hebisch@math.uni.wroc.pl> writes:

| Gabriel Dos Reis wrote:
| > Waldek Hebisch <hebisch@math.uni.wroc.pl> writes:
| > 
| > | Normally when viewman dies sman re-spawns  a new copy...
| > 
| > This is a design flaw in sman and friends -- I came across it yesterday
| > and thought "wait, this is an unbounded replication; nobody wants
| > that!".  
| > 
| 
| This behaviour is semi-reasonble:  Axiom creators treated Axiom and
| supporting programs as an Internet server where clients come, request
| some computation and go away while the core parts (AXIOMsys, sman, 
| session, viewman, nagman) run for long time.

Note however the specific beahviour we are talking about is an
*uncontrolled* process-spawning.  A server will have a mechanism to
decide/detect when a death is requested as opposed to accidental.

| Anyway, if you look for design flaws, you will probably find many.

Well, I was not specifically looking for design flaws :-)

| One example that I found few days ago: 'AXIOMsys' at various moments
| sends 'EndOfOutput' command to 'session' and then go on to process
| information sent by 'session'.  But session also sends commands
| to 'AXIOMsys' and for some commands expects that 'AXIOMsys' will
| return some data as an answer.  There were no way for 'session'
| to distinguish returned data from 'EndOfOutput' command.

:-(

-- Gaby



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Gabriel Dos Reis <gdr@integrable-solutions.net> writes:

| root <daly@axiom-developer.org> writes:
| 
| | > Aha!  So, in fact we can just remove libspad.a from that list since
| | > nothing in GCL references symbols from libspad.a.  Is that correct?
| | 
| | correct? i don't know. the C connections and dependencies can be quite
| | subtle (e.g. PLF usage). i can't say without checking but at some time
| | we, the original axiom developers, or i, when recovering axiom, thought
| | that it was needed. i could be wrong.
| 
| We cannot remove libspad.a, because Axiom still needs the definition
| of bsdSignal -- which is in libspad.a.
| 
| I'm trying the other way that prompted my question earlier,
| i.e. remove cfuns-c.o and sockio-c.o and leave only libspad.a.

Which obviously does not work as Tim explained. src/interp/cfuns.lisp
references 'findString' (defined in src/lib/cfuns-c.c) but nothing
in the original GCL image needs it.  
It is odd that we cannot tell GCL "hey, here is an archive for you to
look in, in case I later load objects that need some symbols you cannot
find right now."

-- Gaby



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Gabriel Dos Reis <gdr@integrable-solutions.net> writes:

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| I hope you did lose data.

Of course, this is not what I meant. :-((

I hate emacs and its C-c based keystrokes.

-- Gaby



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We have problem with SF SVN: first Gaby then I can not make "svn copy".
Adding file works, but emulating "svn copy" via removal and addition
of a copy increases repository size, which may bit us in the future.

Actually I am merging changes from build-improvements. I tried to
"svn copy" gcl and noweb, but I am getting errors:

svn: COPY of gcl: 403 Forbidden (https://svn.sourceforge.net)

I am reluctant to commit gcl without sharing, so I will probably
commit a version which requires users to separately fetch gcl (
and noweb) if needed.

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wh-sandbox reached its first milestone: starting from version 358 most
of .pht pages is genereted automatically. Comments:

1) in principle the existing mechanizm can generate all .pht pages. 
However two pages use NAG extensions, one page give misleading result
and 10 graphic pages require access to X server.

2) you may try generationg graphic pages and viewport -- changing
directory to 'src/paste' and running 'make gphts' should generate
all graphic pages and all viewport accessible from HyperDoc (the
new viewports stay in 'src/paste' direcory -- they are not installed).
As I wrote generating graphic requires access to X server (that is
why I made this part optional).

3) the process required bunch of bug fixes and workarounds -- otherwise
generating .pht pages may hang or produce wrong results. There is
still problem with exint.pht: Axiom integration routine gives now
different result (it can be argued that current result is wrong)
and in effect the generated page is misleading.  Also 'grpthry.pht'
is problematic: 'grpthry' uses probabilistic (Las Vegas) algorithm
and frequently stops before finding correct answer. IMHO that suggest
some bug, either in random number generation or in the algorithm.

4) generating .pht pages requires working sman, hypertex (and
graphic for graphic pages). If you are affected by pty problem
then build will fail.

5) As of version 363 you must have already installed noweb and gcl.
Alternatively, you can unpack noweb and/or gcl sources to noweb
(respectively gcl) subdirectory, then build process should pick
them automatically.

-- 
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Could you document the process for generating these pages?

Tim



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Hello Peter,

looking at your file axlit.as that you used for the construction of 
libaxiom.al I was a bit puzzled that SingleInteger uses Integer as 
representation.

Is that really the way Axiom stores machinesize integers? Or is that 
just the way to connect Aldor with Axiom?

It seems a bit difficult to find out for the very basic domains like 
Tuple, PrimitiveArray, etc. what they actually export since it does not 
match what I see in the corresponding spad file.

Any help is welcome.

Ralf




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whebisch@users.sourceforge.net writes:

[...]

| Modified: branches/wh-sandbox/ChangeLog.wh
| ===================================================================
| --- branches/wh-sandbox/ChangeLog.wh	2006-12-04 10:35:05 UTC (rev 369)
| +++ branches/wh-sandbox/ChangeLog.wh	2006-12-04 13:46:51 UTC (rev 370)
| @@ -1,3 +1,11 @@
| +2006-12-04  Waldek Hebisch  <hebisch@math.uni.wroc.pl>
| +
| +	* src/input/Makefile.pamphlet: make names of temporary files
| +	unique (needed for parallel build). Remove references to deleted
| +	files (fix breakage due to v364).

Hi Waldek,

   I considered parallel build for src/input/ but decided (for the
moment) that it should not follow the parallel flow.  The reason is
that with parallel build, the outputs are interleaved so it is hard to
see which output comes from what.  Consequently, it is simpler to let
the regression test run sequentially.  I believe the fix will be to
move the regression tests to a separate directory and mark its
corresponding Makefile as .NOTPARALLEL.  I did not do that, that is why
I did not send a message to the list saying that parallel build is
now supported :-)

   BTW, I'm pretty sure I broke parallel build recently :-/

-- Gaby



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> whebisch@users.sourceforge.net writes:
> 
> [...]
> 
> | Modified: branches/wh-sandbox/ChangeLog.wh
> | ===================================================================
> | --- branches/wh-sandbox/ChangeLog.wh	2006-12-04 10:35:05 UTC (rev 369)
> | +++ branches/wh-sandbox/ChangeLog.wh	2006-12-04 13:46:51 UTC (rev 370)
> | @@ -1,3 +1,11 @@
> | +2006-12-04  Waldek Hebisch  <hebisch@math.uni.wroc.pl>
> | +
> | +	* src/input/Makefile.pamphlet: make names of temporary files
> | +	unique (needed for parallel build). Remove references to deleted
> | +	files (fix breakage due to v364).
> 
> Hi Waldek,
> 
>    I considered parallel build for src/input/ but decided (for the
> moment) that it should not follow the parallel flow.  The reason is
> that with parallel build, the outputs are interleaved so it is hard to
> see which output comes from what.  Consequently, it is simpler to let
> the regression test run sequentially.  I believe the fix will be to
> move the regression tests to a separate directory and mark its
> corresponding Makefile as .NOTPARALLEL.  I did not do that, that is why
> I did not send a message to the list saying that parallel build is
> now supported :-)
> 

Test outputs go to .output files.  ATM test Makefile uses tee command to
echo output also to the standard output, but it is probably better to
have only ouput in files.

-- 
                              Waldek Hebisch
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Waldek Hebisch <hebisch@math.uni.wroc.pl> writes:

| > whebisch@users.sourceforge.net writes:
| > 
| > [...]
| > 
| > | Modified: branches/wh-sandbox/ChangeLog.wh
| > | ===================================================================
| > | --- branches/wh-sandbox/ChangeLog.wh	2006-12-04 10:35:05 UTC (rev 369)
| > | +++ branches/wh-sandbox/ChangeLog.wh	2006-12-04 13:46:51 UTC (rev 370)
| > | @@ -1,3 +1,11 @@
| > | +2006-12-04  Waldek Hebisch  <hebisch@math.uni.wroc.pl>
| > | +
| > | +	* src/input/Makefile.pamphlet: make names of temporary files
| > | +	unique (needed for parallel build). Remove references to deleted
| > | +	files (fix breakage due to v364).
| > 
| > Hi Waldek,
| > 
| >    I considered parallel build for src/input/ but decided (for the
| > moment) that it should not follow the parallel flow.  The reason is
| > that with parallel build, the outputs are interleaved so it is hard to
| > see which output comes from what.  Consequently, it is simpler to let
| > the regression test run sequentially.  I believe the fix will be to
| > move the regression tests to a separate directory and mark its
| > corresponding Makefile as .NOTPARALLEL.  I did not do that, that is why
| > I did not send a message to the list saying that parallel build is
| > now supported :-)
| > 
| 
| Test outputs go to .output files.

I was not clear enough.  

Test outpus are displayed, as well as being saved.  However, I'm
concerned about the displayed part.

|  ATM test Makefile uses tee command to
| echo output also to the standard output, but it is probably better to
| have only ouput in files.

It is not clear to me why that would be better.  

-- Gaby



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Gabriel Dos Reis wrote:
> Waldek Hebisch <hebisch@math.uni.wroc.pl> writes:
> |  ATM test Makefile uses tee command to
> | echo output also to the standard output, but it is probably better to
> | have only ouput in files.
> 
> It is not clear to me why that would be better.  
> 
Test ouput is of big and of little use when debugging build problems.
For mechanical checking of test results files are better.

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Waldek Hebisch <hebisch@math.uni.wroc.pl> writes:

| Gabriel Dos Reis wrote:
| > Waldek Hebisch <hebisch@math.uni.wroc.pl> writes:
| > |  ATM test Makefile uses tee command to
| > | echo output also to the standard output, but it is probably better to
| > | have only ouput in files.
| > 
| > It is not clear to me why that would be better.  
| > 
| Test ouput is of big and of little use when debugging build problems.

For that you want a separate "check" make target.  Not suppress the
output from regression test.

| For mechanical checking of test results files are better.

Nobody is advocating non-mechanical check -- if fact I can't even
think of a systematic regression test for Axiom that is NOT done
mechanically.  

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"Bill Page" <bill.page1@synthesis.anikast.ca> writes:

| On December 4, 2006 10:57 AM Waldek Hebisch wrote:
| > 
| > Gabriel Dos Reis wrote:
| > > Waldek Hebisch <hebisch@math.uni.wroc.pl> writes:
| > > |  ATM test Makefile uses tee command to
| > > | echo output also to the standard output, but it is 
| > > > probably better to have only ouput in files.
| > > 
| > > It is not clear to me why that would be better.  
| > > 
| > Test ouput is of big and of little use when debugging build
| > problems. For mechanical checking of test results files are
| > better.
| > 
| 
| I agree that the build should not normally echo the literal
| output of the tests.

It does not follow that the output should be suppressed or
interleaved.

-- Gaby



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> "Bill Page" <bill.page1@synthesis.anikast.ca> writes:
> 
> | On December 4, 2006 10:57 AM Waldek Hebisch wrote:
> | > 
> | > Gabriel Dos Reis wrote:
> | > > Waldek Hebisch <hebisch@math.uni.wroc.pl> writes:
> | > > |  ATM test Makefile uses tee command to
> | > > | echo output also to the standard output, but it is 
> | > > > probably better to have only ouput in files.
> | > > 
> | > > It is not clear to me why that would be better.  
> | > > 
> | > Test ouput is of big and of little use when debugging build
> | > problems. For mechanical checking of test results files are
> | > better.
> | > 
> | 
> | I agree that the build should not normally echo the literal
> | output of the tests.
> 
> It does not follow that the output should be suppressed or
> interleaved.
> 

Gaby, did you notice that I wrote about removing 'tee' command
from the test line?  I would call this avoiding duplication,
you chose to call this "suppressing output".

BTW: One thing is if we want to run tests in paralell (you seem
to prefer serial execution), another is avoiding bugs when
somene prefers paralell run.

-- 
                              Waldek Hebisch
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Waldek Hebisch <hebisch@math.uni.wroc.pl> writes:

| > "Bill Page" <bill.page1@synthesis.anikast.ca> writes:
| > 
| > | On December 4, 2006 10:57 AM Waldek Hebisch wrote:
| > | > 
| > | > Gabriel Dos Reis wrote:
| > | > > Waldek Hebisch <hebisch@math.uni.wroc.pl> writes:
| > | > > |  ATM test Makefile uses tee command to
| > | > > | echo output also to the standard output, but it is 
| > | > > > probably better to have only ouput in files.
| > | > > 
| > | > > It is not clear to me why that would be better.  
| > | > > 
| > | > Test ouput is of big and of little use when debugging build
| > | > problems. For mechanical checking of test results files are
| > | > better.
| > | > 
| > | 
| > | I agree that the build should not normally echo the literal
| > | output of the tests.
| > 
| > It does not follow that the output should be suppressed or
| > interleaved.
| > 
| 
| Gaby, did you notice that I wrote about removing 'tee' command
| from the test line?

Yes -- and I'm familiar with how the regression test is set up in
src/input; see the ChangeLog :-)

| I would call this avoiding duplication,
| you chose to call this "suppressing output".

Yes -- by output I meant what is "displayed", see my other mail.  I'm
not talking of what is saved in .output.  Somehow, you seem to be
believe that I don't make the difference :-(

| BTW: One thing is if we want to run tests in paralell (you seem
| to prefer serial execution), another is avoiding bugs when
| somene prefers paralell run.

You said you have a build problem.  But tha answer to that problem is
to have a separate rule for check when you're interested i build only.

-- Gaby



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Greetings!  I think you are looking for the autoload functionality
here.  Checkout lsp/gcl_auto_new.lsp if interested.

Take care,

=============================================================================

Gabriel Dos Reis <address@hidden> writes:

| root <address@hidden> writes:
| 
| | > Aha!  So, in fact we can just remove libspad.a from that list since
| | > nothing in GCL references symbols from libspad.a.  Is that correct?
| | 
| | correct? i don't know. the C connections and dependencies can be quite
| | subtle (e.g. PLF usage). i can't say without checking but at some time
| | we, the original axiom developers, or i, when recovering axiom, thought
| | that it was needed. i could be wrong.
| 
| We cannot remove libspad.a, because Axiom still needs the definition
| of bsdSignal -- which is in libspad.a.
| 
| I'm trying the other way that prompted my question earlier,
| i.e. remove cfuns-c.o and sockio-c.o and leave only libspad.a.

Which obviously does not work as Tim explained. src/interp/cfuns.lisp
references 'findString' (defined in src/lib/cfuns-c.c) but nothing
in the original GCL image needs it.  
It is odd that we cannot tell GCL "hey, here is an archive for you to
look in, in case I later load objects that need some symbols you cannot
find right now."

-- Gaby
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Camm Maguire <camm@enhanced.com> writes:

| Greetings!  I think you are looking for the autoload functionality
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That is great!  Many thanks.

-- Gaby



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Dear all,

I just discovered a severe bug in normalize$EFSTRUC. It is probably the worst
thing I found so far.

with

 T :=t^(n^2)*(sqrt(1+t))^n

 normalize(T/eval(T, n=n-1))

gives sqrt(t+1). sum$SUMFS uses this method to check whether a function is
rational for Gosper, and thus returns completely false results, which are,
however, difficult to detect.

Waldek, am I right that you know normalize a little bit? If you do, PLEASE look
into this, it is a real show stopper for me.

Thanks,

Martin




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--=-=-=

Dear Martin, and others...

> I just discovered a severe bug in normalize$EFSTRUC. It is probably the worst
> thing I found so far.
> 
> with
> 
>  T :=t^(n^2)*(sqrt(1+t))^n
> 
>  normalize(T/eval(T, n=n-1))
> 
> gives sqrt(t+1). sum$SUMFS uses this method to check whether a function is
> rational for Gosper, and thus returns completely false results, which are,
> however, difficult to detect.
> 
> Waldek, am I right that you know normalize a little bit? 
> If you do, PLEASE look into this, it is a real show stopper for me.

I'm testing some patchs in expr.spad.
On my today-version I get : 

(64) -> T := t^(n^2)*sqrt(1+t)^n
           2
          n   +-----+n
   (64)  t   \|t + 1
                                                     Type: Expression Integer
(65) -> T/subst (T, n=n-1)
          2n - 1 +-----+
   (65)  t      \|t + 1
                                                     Type: Expression Integer
(68) -> normalize (T/eval (T, n=n-1))
          +-----+  (2n - 1)log(t)
   (68)  \|t + 1 %e
                                                     Type: Expression Integer

Do you want this expr.spad ?


--=-=-=
Content-Type: application/octet-stream
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=expr.spad
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Description: a new expr.spad file

[encoded data, 59521 characters]
--=-=-=


There are some buggy print inside.

I hope it shall work for you.

I also must change very few lines in others files.

If you want to compile and test it.

Francois

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Francois Maltey <fmaltey@nerim.fr> writes:


And I let a error :

replace line 205     

                  numexpo := numexpo -$MP cst1::Integer::R *$MP k::MP
                  cst := cst * (first argument k **$Rep cst1::Integer)
        output([cst, numexpo::%]::OutputForm)$OutputPackage

The old one was : 
                  cst := first argument k ** cst1::Integer


What do you want for Gosper algorithm in the famus quotient u(n)/u(n-1).

With or without exp ? with or without power ?

the expr.spad I send you don't suppose (a,b,c) in R+

So we don't have (a^b)^c = a^(bc)

But other simplifications are done where n is a real number, not a letter.

                (a^u)^n = a^(nu) 
           exp (n ln a) = a^n, the fraction.
(exp a)^n exp b / exp c = exp (na+b-c)
                 (na)^u = n^u a^u 
                (a/n)^u = a^n / n^u
  exp (n log a - log c) = a^n / c

I hope I let no error in mathematics formula :
1 / (z^u) = z^(-u) \neq (1/z)^u -- try with z=-1 and u=1/2

It seems that my expr.spad is right for the sum function :
sum   (    q^n, n)
sum   (n * q^n, n)
sum (n^2 * q^n, n)
sum     (exp n, n)
sum ((n-1)*n^2 * q^n, n)

but have an error in :
sum (n * exp n, n)
sum (n^3 * q^n, n)

Even with print-spy I don't understand where is the mistake.

Hope this help you !

Francois



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Dear Francois,

Francois Maltey <fmaltey@nerim.fr> writes:

> I'm testing some patchs in expr.spad.
> On my today-version I get : 
> 
> (64) -> T := t^(n^2)*sqrt(1+t)^n
>            2
>           n   +-----+n
>    (64)  t   \|t + 1
>                                                      Type: Expression Integer
> (65) -> T/subst (T, n=n-1)
>           2n - 1 +-----+
>    (65)  t      \|t + 1
>                                                      Type: Expression Integer
> (68) -> normalize (T/eval (T, n=n-1))
>           +-----+  (2n - 1)log(t)
>    (68)  \|t + 1 %e
>                                                      Type: Expression Integer

Although this is very nice (I tried it!), it only steps around the bug in
rischNormalize, since the latter is not called with the same arguments: your
patches make axiom simplify T/eval(T, n=n-1) right away. Although this is a
very good thing, I suspect that the bug in rischNormalize will surface under
other circumstances, too.

I will comment on your patches in a separate email tomorrow, but I'd like to
express my joy about your work on EXPR and friends. I do have some - hopefully
constructive - critisism, though.

Meanwhile I did a bit of tracing. It seems likely that the bug occurs in
expeval, possibly in goodCoef. Here is the relevant bit of the trace:

  1<enter ElementaryFunctionStructurePackage.expeval,119 : 
                            +-----+
           n log(t)  n log(\|t + 1 )
         %e        %e
   arg1= ---------------------------
                          +-----+
              (n - 1)log(\|t + 1 )
            %e
                                                                 +-----+
                  +-----+   n log(t)      +-----+    (n - 1)log(\|t + 1 )
   arg2= [log(t),\|t + 1 ,%e        ,log(\|t + 1 ),%e                    ]
                  +-----+
           n log(\|t + 1 )
   arg3= %e
   arg4= [0,0,1,1]
   1<enter ElementaryFunctionStructurePackage.goodCoef,142 : 
    arg1= [0,0,1,1]
                                                                  +-----+
                   +-----+   n log(t)      +-----+    (n - 1)log(\|t + 1 )
    arg2= [log(t),\|t + 1 ,%e        ,log(\|t + 1 ),%e                    ]
    arg3= exp
   1>exit  ElementaryFunctionStructurePackage.goodCoef,142 : 
                     n log(t)
    [index= 3,ker= %e        ]
  1>exit  ElementaryFunctionStructurePackage.expeval,119 : 
                       +-----+  2
                n log(\|t + 1 )
             (%e               )              n log(t)
   [func= -------------------------, kers= [%e        ],
                         +-----+  2
             (n - 1)log(\|t + 1 )
          (%e                    )
                       +-----+
                n log(\|t + 1 )
              %e
    vals= [----------------------]]
                         +-----+
             (n - 1)log(\|t + 1 )
           %e


Note that the expeval replaces the elements of "kers" with the elements of
"vals", but here, these are clearly not equivalent: kers contains t^n, vals
however sqrt(t+1).

Maybe this is simply an index mismatch: The length of the fourth argument to
expeval and goodCoef is four, but I have the feeling that it is meant to refer
to the elements of the second argument which are of the form exp... or log...,
and thus sqrt(t+1) should not be counted. In other words, maybe goodCoef should
rather return [index= 4, ker= log(sqrt(t+1))] or so.


Any ideas?

This really calls for unit testing!!!

Martin




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> Dear all,
> 
> I just discovered a severe bug in normalize$EFSTRUC. It is probably the worst
> thing I found so far.
> 
> with
> 
>  T :=t^(n^2)*(sqrt(1+t))^n
> 
>  normalize(T/eval(T, n=n-1))
> 
> gives sqrt(t+1). sum$SUMFS uses this method to check whether a function is
> rational for Gosper, and thus returns completely false results, which are,
> however, difficult to detect.
> 
> Waldek, am I right that you know normalize a little bit? If you do, PLEASE look
> into this, it is a real show stopper for me.
> 

Have you tried the patch I posted?  With this patch applied I get:

(4) -> T :=t^(n^2)*(sqrt(1+t))^n
(4) ->
          2
         n   +-----+n
   (4)  t   \|t + 1
                                                     Type: Expression Integer
(5) -> T1 := eval(T, n=n-1)
(5) ->
          2
         n  - 2n + 1  +-----+n - 1
   (5)  t            \|t + 1
                                                     Type: Expression Integer
(6) -> normalize(T/T1)
(6) ->
                     2
           +-----+  n log(t)
          \|t + 1 %e
   (6)  ---------------------
            2
          (n  - 2n + 1)log(t)
        %e
                                                     Type: Expression Integer

This result is probably not what you want, but it is equal to your
expression and the kernels are algebraically independent.

P.S. AFAICS the problem is that the full list of kernel contains both
transcendental and algebraic kernels. goodCoef is relevant only for
transcendental kernels and got cofficients as a vector corresponding
to transcendental kernels. However, the list passed to goodCoef still
contain algebraic kernels, so goodCoef gets confised, and tries
to eliminate wrong kernel.

-- 
                              Waldek Hebisch
hebisch@math.uni.wroc.pl 



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Greetings, and thanks so much for looking into this!

Richard Harke <rharke@earthlink.net> writes:

> On Tue November 14 2006 18:43, you wrote:
> 
> > This would be most appreciated, and I'd be happy to lend assistance.
> > Knowledge of the ia64 reloc definitions is obviously key, though I put
> > together the alpha version mostly as a guesswork based on the mips
> > example.  If ia64 were done, we could also share with the lush
> > project, on which the original sfaslbfd_mips was inspired.  And
> > someday it would be great to get this back into bfd upstream.
> >
> > The basic idea is that each section of the .o file has a got table
> > appended to handle the relocs that refer to the special gp register
> > value.
> I have been studying ld.so and also Xorg as that has a loader function.
> Its not clear to me that they handle just the same set of relocs.
> The R_IA64_ defines in elf.h have two bit fields for the ia64 and
> these are used in ld.so but that info seems not to be used in Xorg.
> And bfd uses an enum so such structuring of the values isn't
> possible.
> I notice some comments about a standalone version of the loader
> code. That should be very helpful if it works.

It might -- haven't tried it in a while.  I will do so if you still
need it after the following.


> You said something about the heap having to do with the dlopen version
> not working but I noticed some things that made me think that
> dynamic linking, ie letting the lisp code access vars by name
> was an issue. Can you provide more detail?
> Any suggestions would be helpful.
> 

The standard ia64 build uses dlopen somewhat successfully.  In
addition to limiting the number of loads to ~ 1024, another weakness
stems from the typical usage of loading a .o file into an image,
dumping the image with unexec, and reexecuting later where we left
off.  Many lisp programs are built using this paradigm.  dlopen does
not allow a fixed address to be assigned to the relocated functions
across multiple image executions, and so foils GCL's very fast
function calling mechanism.  This essentially means that either all
loads must be redone on image startup, or the image needs to be
written by a special call to ld via compiler::link, in which the .o
files are relocated and initialized a second time 'by hand'.  This
will probably be clearer if you examine how axiom is built on this
platform in contrast with say x86.

I think the way to start would be to look at a compiled .o file on
ia64:

=============================================================================
camm@merulo:~/hol88-2.02.19940316/lisp$ objdump -r hol-writ.o

hol-writ.o:     file format elf64-ia64-little

RELOCATION RECORDS FOR [.text]:
OFFSET           TYPE              VALUE 
0000000000000010 LTOFF22X          .data.rel.local
0000000000000020 LDXMOV            .data.rel.local
0000000000000022 PCREL21B          do_init
0000000000000051 LTOFF22X          vs_base
0000000000000052 LTOFF22X          vs_top
0000000000000060 LTOFF22X          vs_limit
0000000000000062 LTOFF22X          small_fixnum_table+0x0000000000004000
0000000000000070 LDXMOV            vs_base
0000000000000071 LDXMOV            vs_top
0000000000000080 LTOFF22X          Cnil_body
0000000000000081 LDXMOV            vs_limit
0000000000000090 LDXMOV            small_fixnum_table+0x0000000000004000
00000000000000b0 LDXMOV            Cnil_body
00000000000000c1 GPREL22           .sdata+0x0000000000000228
0000000000000150 GPREL22           .sdata+0x0000000000000230
0000000000000161 GPREL22           .sdata+0x0000000000000238
0000000000000162 LTOFF22X          Ct_body
0000000000000191 LDXMOV            Ct_body
0000000000000240 LTOFF22X          .data.rel.local
0000000000000241 GPREL22           .sdata+0x00000000000001e8
0000000000000242 GPREL22           .sdata+0x00000000000001d8
0000000000000252 GPREL22           .sdata
0000000000000261 LDXMOV            .data.rel.local
0000000000000282 GPREL22           .sdata+0x0000000000000010
0000000000000442 GPREL22           .sdata+0x0000000000000008
00000000000004d1 GPREL22           .sdata+0x00000000000001e0
0000000000000601 GPREL22           .sdata+0x00000000000001f8
0000000000000652 PCREL21B          vs_overflow
0000000000000670 LTOFF22X          small_fixnum_table+0x0000000000004000
0000000000000671 GPREL22           .sdata+0x0000000000000228
0000000000000681 LTOFF22X          Cnil_body
0000000000000691 LDXMOV            small_fixnum_table+0x0000000000004000
00000000000006b0 LDXMOV            Cnil_body
0000000000000700 LTOFF22X          .data.rel.local
0000000000000701 GPREL22           .sdata+0x00000000000001e0
0000000000000702 GPREL22           .sdata+0x0000000000000230
0000000000000710 GPREL22           .sdata+0x0000000000000238
0000000000000711 LTOFF22X          Ct_body
0000000000000720 LDXMOV            .data.rel.local
0000000000000731 LDXMOV            Ct_body
0000000000000851 GPREL22           .sdata+0x00000000000001f8
00000000000008a1 LTOFF22X          .data.rel.local
00000000000008a2 GPREL22           .sdata+0x00000000000001e8
00000000000008b2 GPREL22           .sdata+0x00000000000001d8
00000000000008c0 LDXMOV            .data.rel.local
00000000000008e1 GPREL22           .sdata+0x0000000000000008
0000000000000971 LTOFF22X          vs_base
0000000000000980 LTOFF22X          vs_top
0000000000000981 LTOFF22X          vs_limit
0000000000000990 LDXMOV            vs_base
0000000000000991 LDXMOV            vs_top
00000000000009a0 LDXMOV            vs_limit
00000000000009d0 GPREL22           .sdata+0x0000000000000248
0000000000000a72 PCREL21B          vs_overflow
0000000000000a92 GPREL22           .sdata+0x0000000000000248
0000000000000b21 LTOFF22X          vs_top
0000000000000b30 LTOFF22X          vs_limit
0000000000000b31 LTOFF22X          vs_base
0000000000000b40 LDXMOV            vs_top
0000000000000b41 LDXMOV            vs_limit
0000000000000b50 LDXMOV            vs_base
0000000000000b70 LTOFF22X          .data.rel.local
0000000000000b80 LDXMOV            .data.rel.local
0000000000000be0 LTOFF22X          Cnil_body

=============================================================================

We just have a handful of relocs that need handling in practice, and
of these, several are probably already correctly handled by
bfd_get_relocated_section_contents.  Typically, the ones that aren't
are those referring to the gp register, which in this case appears to
be GPREL22, to my untutored guess. These relocs should be handled in
analogy with the GP relocs in sfasl_alpha.c -- i.e. they are rewritten
to refer to a special .got table that is constructed at the end of
each loaded section.  They key functions are alphaelf_create_got and
alphaelf_fix_relocs, the comments to which are somwhat useful:

=============================================================================
static asection *
alphaelf_create_got(bfd *b,asymbol **syms,
                   alphaelf_got_info *info) {

  bfd_vma offset;
  asection *p;
  int i;

  /* Check that there are no GOT section */
  info->sgot = bfd_get_section_by_name(b, ".got");
  assert(!info->sgot);
  
  /* Compute GOT hash table */
  offset = 0;
  for (p=b->sections; p; p=p->next)
    
    if ((p->flags & SEC_ALLOC) && (p->flags & SEC_RELOC)) {
      
      int sz,reloc_count;
      arelent **reloc;
      
      /*  ALPHA native relocs: This section and analogs below have
	  been modified to avoid orelocation in favor of relocation
	  itself.  bfd_canonicalize_reloc reads in the relocation
	  table to the latter as an array and makes a pointer list
	  to it in the supplied argument.  We will call
	  bfd_get_relocated_section_contents, which will call
	  bfd_canonicalize_reloc internally, on all sections,
	  including the new .got section.  If no relocation array
	  exists, this will fail when bfd_cannicalize_reloc attempts
	  to read in the non-existent table.  20050409 CM*/
      
      sz = bfd_get_reloc_upper_bound(b, p);
      assert(sz>0);
      reloc=ZALLOCA(sz);
      
      reloc_count = bfd_canonicalize_reloc(b, p, reloc, syms);
      assert(reloc_count>0);
      assert(p->reloc_count==0 || p->reloc_count==reloc_count);
      
      assert(p->relocation);
      
      for (i=0; i<p->reloc_count; i++) {
	
	arelent *reloc = p->relocation+i;
	
	if ((reloc->howto==info->reloc_literal)) {
	  
	  const char *name = msymbol_name(b,*reloc->sym_ptr_ptr,reloc->addend);
	  alphaelf_got_entry *gotent = (alphaelf_got_entry*)
	    bfd_hash_lookup(&info->got_table, name, TRUE, TRUE );
	  
	  if (!gotent->reloc) {
	    
	    gotent->index = info->gotsize;
	    gotent->offset = offset;
	    
	    gotent->reloc = xballoc(b, sizeof(arelent));
	    gotent->reloc->sym_ptr_ptr = reloc->sym_ptr_ptr;
	    gotent->reloc->address = offset;
	    gotent->reloc->addend = reloc->addend;
	    gotent->reloc->howto = info->reloc_64;
	    
	    offset += sizeof(void*);
	    info->gotsize += 1;

	  }
	}
      }
    }
  
  if (offset >= 0x8000)
    FEerror("Too many entries in GOT (GOT full, merci ALPHA)",0);
  
  if (info->gotsize > 0) {
    
    info->sgot = bfd_make_section(b, ".got");
    assert(info->sgot);
    
    info->sgot->flags = SEC_ALLOC|SEC_RELOC|SEC_LOAD;
    
    if (!bfd_set_section_size(b,info->sgot,offset))
      FEerror("Cannot set got section size",0);
    
    if (info->sgot->alignment_power < 4)
      info->sgot->alignment_power = 4;      /* Set GOT relocations */
    
    info->sgot->relocation = xballoc(b, info->gotsize*sizeof(*info->sgot->relocation));
    bfd_hash_traverse(&info->got_table, (void*)alphaelf_got_traverse, info->sgot);
    info->sgot->reloc_count = info->gotsize;
    
  }
  
  return info->sgot;

}

/* alphaelf_fix_relocs -- patches the relocation for GOT */
static void 
alphaelf_fix_relocs(bfd *b,asymbol ** symbols,int symbol_count,
                   alphaelf_got_info *info) {

  int i;
  asymbol **gpdisp_ptr = NULL;
  asection *p;

  /* Make a gpdisp symbol at the top of the .got section */
  gpdisp = xballoc(b, sizeof(*gpdisp));
  gpdisp->value = 0;
  gpdisp->name="gpdisp";
  gpdisp->flags = BSF_LOCAL|BSF_SECTION_SYM;
  gpdisp->section = info->sgot ? info->sgot : bfd_abs_section_ptr;
  gpdisp->udata.p = NULL;
  gp=0;

  if (!info->sgot)
    return;

  gpdisp_ptr = xballoc(b, sizeof(asymbol*));
  *gpdisp_ptr = gpdisp;
  
  /* Iterate on sections and relocations */
  for (p=b->sections; p; p=p->next)
    
    if ((p->flags & SEC_ALLOC) && (p->flags & SEC_RELOC)) {
      
      assert(p->relocation);
      
      for (i=0; i<p->reloc_count; i++) {
	
	arelent *reloc = p->relocation+i;
	
	if (reloc->howto==info->reloc_literal) {
	  
	  const char *name = msymbol_name(b,*reloc->sym_ptr_ptr,reloc->addend);
	  alphaelf_got_entry *gotent = 
	    (alphaelf_got_entry*) bfd_hash_lookup(&info->got_table, name, FALSE, FALSE );
	  
	  assert(gotent);
	  
	  /* ELF_LITERAL relocations will refer
	   * to the GPDISP symbol and have the GOT index
	   * in the addend */
	  
	  reloc->addend = gotent->offset;
	  reloc->sym_ptr_ptr = gpdisp_ptr;
	  
	}

      } 

    }

}
=============================================================================

mips is still more involved if a hairier example is needed :-).

So I think that all we need is to identify how to 1) capture the gp
symbol value and 2) rewrite the relocs referring thereto to refer to a
got table entry which is then constructed to point to the right
address.  Hopefully this will ring some bells in your mind given its
familiarity with ia64.

The way to debug this is to make a saved_pre_gcl image in unixport
with a new sfaslbfd_ia64.c compiled in (the ia64-linux.h needs to be
modified following the alpha-linux.h), and debugging enabled
(--enable-debug on the configure command line).  Then fire up gdb on
saved_pre_gcl, and try loading a .o file, breaking at fasload and
stepping through each of the routines, especially
bfd_get_relocated_section_contents).

Take care, and thanks again,



> Richard
> 
> 
> 

-- 
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I see that there is a change to compiler.boot in the sandbox code
but I don't understand the reason for the change. I'm not sure who
made the change as it is not recorded in the changelog files.

What is the problem that this change is designed to solve?
Is there a test case for it?

Tim

=========================================================================
--- sandbox/src/interp/compiler.boot.pamphlet
+++ daly/src/interp/compiler.boot.pamphlet
@@ -494,13 +494,12 @@
     T
   T
 
+--------------------> NEW DEFINITION (override in xruncomp.boot.pamphlet)
 getFormModemaps(form is [op,:argl],e) ==
   op is ["elt",domain,op1] =>
     [x for x in getFormModemaps([op1,:argl],e) | x is [[ =domain,:.],:.]]
   null atom op => nil
   modemapList:= get(op,"modemap",e)
-  if $insideCategoryPackageIfTrue then
-    modemapList := [x for x in modemapList | x is [[dom,:.],:.] and dom ^= '$]
   if op="elt"
      then modemapList:= eltModemapFilter(LAST argl,modemapList,e) or return nil
      else



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Tim,

On Wednesday, December 06, 2006 12:53 AM you asked:
>=20
> I see that there is a change to compiler.boot in the sandbox
> code but I don't understand the reason for the change. I'm not
> sure who made the change as it is not recorded in the changelog
> files.
>

It is confusing to me that you refere to this as "the sandbox
code". wh-sandbox is an experiemental branch maintained by Waldek
Hebisch. So far as I know the only one committing changes to this
branch is Waldek.

You should read:

http://axiom.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/*checkout*/axiom/branches/wh-san
dbox/README.wh

> What is the problem that this change is designed to solve?
> Is there a test case for it?
>=20

Concering revison 319, in ChangeLog.wh I see the following
explanation:

2006-11-25  Waldek Hebisch  <hebisch@math.uni.wroc.pl>

	* src/interp/compiler.boot.pamphlet: Update functions to match
	  xruncomp.boot.pamphlet
	* src/interp/functor.boot.pamphlet: Likewise.
	* src/interp/info.boot.pamphlet: Likewise.
	* src/interp/modemap.boot.pamphlet: Likewise.
	* src/interp/nruncomp.boot.pamphlet: Likewise.
	* src/interp/Makefile.pamphlet: Remove references to
	  xruncomp.boot.pamphlet
	* src/interp/debugsys.lisp.pamphlet: Likewise.

>=20
> =
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> --- sandbox/src/interp/compiler.boot.pamphlet
> +++ daly/src/interp/compiler.boot.pamphlet
> @@ -494,13 +494,12 @@
>      T
>    T
> =20
> +--------------------> NEW DEFINITION (override in=20
> xruncomp.boot.pamphlet)
>  getFormModemaps(form is [op,:argl],e) =3D=3D
>    op is ["elt",domain,op1] =3D>
>      [x for x in getFormModemaps([op1,:argl],e) | x is [[=20
> =3Ddomain,:.],:.]]
>    null atom op =3D> nil
>    modemapList:=3D get(op,"modemap",e)
> -  if $insideCategoryPackageIfTrue then
> -    modemapList :=3D [x for x in modemapList | x is=20
> [[dom,:.],:.] and dom ^=3D '$]
>    if op=3D"elt"
>       then modemapList:=3D eltModemapFilter(LAST=20
> argl,modemapList,e) or return nil
>       else
>=20



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Dear Waldek,

Waldek Hebisch <hebisch@math.uni.wroc.pl> writes:

> Have you tried the patch I posted?  

No, I couldn't remember that it was you who posted it, and since it doesn't
contain the word normalize, the search engine didn't find it :-)

> P.S. AFAICS the problem is that the full list of kernel contains both
> transcendental and algebraic kernels. goodCoef is relevant only for
> transcendental kernels and got cofficients as a vector corresponding to
> transcendental kernels. However, the list passed to goodCoef still contain
> algebraic kernels, so goodCoef gets confised, and tries to eliminate wrong
> kernel.

Yes, that's the same what I believe. However, I noticed that goodCoef is called
only in two functions, namely taneval and expeval. 

Here is expeval:

    expeval(f, lk, k, v) ==
      y   := first argument k
      fns := toY lk
      g := y - +/[qelt(v, i) * z for i in minIndex v .. maxIndex v for z in fns]
      (rec := goodCoef(v, lk, "exp"::SY)) case "failed" =>
        expnosimp(f, lk, k, v, fns, exp g)
      v0 := retract(inv qelt(v, rec.index))@Z
      lv := [qelt(v, i) for i in minIndex v .. maxIndex v |
                                                 i ^= rec.index]$List(Q)
      l  := [kk for kk in lk | kk ^= rec.ker]
      h :F := */[exp(z) ** (- retract(a * v0)@Z) for a in lv for z in toY l]
      h := h * exp(-v0 * g) * (k::F) ** v0
      [eval(f, [rec.ker], [h]), [rec.ker], [h]]


What I find a bit surprising is that goodCoef is not called as (roughly)

  goodCoef(v, fns, "exp"::SY)

fns would have to be coerced to the right type, of course. I thought that
(formally), goodCoef

    goodCoef(v, l, s) ==
      for i in minIndex v .. maxIndex v for k in l repeat
        is?(k, s) and
           ((r:=recip(qelt(v,i))) case Q) and
            (retractIfCan(r::Q)@Union(Z, "failed") case Z)
              and gdCoef?(qelt(v, i), v) => return([i, k])
      "failed"

checks whether there is a kernel in l of "type" s, that has a coefficient whose
inverse is an integer, and such that all other coefficients are multiples of
this coefficient. So, v and l should really be of the same length. Looking at
deprel

    deprel(ker, k, x) ==
      is?(k, "log"::SY) or is?(k, "exp"::SY) =>
        qdeprel([differentiate(g, x) for g in toY ker],
                 differentiate(ktoY k, x))
      is?(k, "atan"::SY) or is?(k, "tan"::SY) =>
        qdeprel([differentiate(g, x) for g in toU ker],
                 differentiate(ktoU k, x))
      is?(k, NTHR) => rootDep(ker, k)
      comb? and is?(k, "factorial"::SY) =>
        factdeprel([x for x in ker | is?(x,"factorial"::SY) and x^=k],k)
      [true]

I have the feeling that the coefficients in v really correspond to the lists
toY (for exp) and toU (for tan).

Altogether, it seems to me that the code could need a bit cleaning up. Does
anybody know whether sumit contains equivalent functionality?



I must admit that I do not understand your patch. I assume that it also fixes
the correspondence between the vector of coefficients v and the list of kernels
l. Why doesn't it fix that rather in expeval and taneval?



Martin





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Another question:

--- pp/build-improvements/src/algebra/efstruc.spad.pamphlet     2006-09-08 
02:57:48.000000000 +0200
+++ build-improvements.nn5/src/algebra/efstruc.spad.pamphlet    2006-10-07 
19:51:18.000000000 +0200
@@ -347,8 +347,28 @@
       true
 
     goodCoef(v, l, s) ==
-      for i in minIndex v .. maxIndex v for k in l repeat
-        is?(k, s) and
+      -- if k1 is part of k2 we should not express k1 in terms of k2
+      -- (othewise we would get infinite recursion)
+      -- below we impose a stronger condition: we require
+      -- height(k1) to be maximal
+      h:NonNegativeInteger := 0
+      j:Integer := 0
+      ll : List K := [];
+      for k in l repeat
+        if (is?(k, "log"::SY) or is?(k, "exp"::SY)
+            or is?(k, "tan"::SY) or is?(k, "atan"::SY)) then
+              ll := [k, :ll]
+              h := h + 1
+      not (h = (maxIndex(v) - minIndex(v) + 1)) => "failed"
+      h := 0
+      ll := reverse(ll)
+      for i in minIndex v .. maxIndex v for k in ll repeat
+        h1 := height(k)
+        if (h1 > h) then
+          j := i
+          h := h1
+      for i in minIndex v .. maxIndex v for k in ll repeat
+        is?(k, s) and (i >= j) and
            ((r:=recip(qelt(v,i))) case Q) and
             (retractIfCan(r::Q)@Union(Z, "failed") case Z)
               and gdCoef?(qelt(v, i), v) => return([i, k])


what does

ll := [k, :ll]

do? I have never seen that before, although grep yields some hits.



Martin




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> I see that there is a change to compiler.boot in the sandbox code
> but I don't understand the reason for the change. I'm not sure who
> made the change as it is not recorded in the changelog files.
> 
> What is the problem that this change is designed to solve?
> Is there a test case for it?
> 
> Tim
> 
> =========================================================================
> --- sandbox/src/interp/compiler.boot.pamphlet
> +++ daly/src/interp/compiler.boot.pamphlet
> @@ -494,13 +494,12 @@
>      T
>    T
>  
> +--------------------> NEW DEFINITION (override in xruncomp.boot.pamphlet)
>  getFormModemaps(form is [op,:argl],e) ==
>    op is ["elt",domain,op1] =>
>      [x for x in getFormModemaps([op1,:argl],e) | x is [[ =domain,:.],:.]]
>    null atom op => nil
>    modemapList:= get(op,"modemap",e)
> -  if $insideCategoryPackageIfTrue then
> -    modemapList := [x for x in modemapList | x is [[dom,:.],:.] and dom ^= '$]
>    if op="elt"
>       then modemapList:= eltModemapFilter(LAST argl,modemapList,e) or return nil
>       else
> 
> 

Changes to wh-sandbox are recorded in ChangeLog.wh in the root directory.
As Bill noted it is a part of lage commit which eliminated
'xruncomp.boot.pamphlet'.  In gold both 'xruncomp.boot.pamphlet' and
'xrun.boot.pamphlet' are used as patch files -- they are loaded after
other files and redefine multiple functions. _Some_ of those redefinitions
are overriden by 'interop.boot.pamphlet'.

I simply checked which definition is actually used -- if a function
from 'interop.boot.pamphlet' was in use I removed other definitions.
OTOH I merged definitions from 'xrun.boot.pamphlet' and
'xruncomp.boot.pamphlet' back into original files.

So, at the level of running code this change is intended to be a no-op:
the exact code which ran previously is still running. But at source
level the reader is spared work analysing load order.

I did not try to analyze the above change in detail, I just convinced
myself that versions in 'xrun.boot.pamphlet' and 'xruncomp.boot.pamphlet'
look reasonable -- in particular that 'xrun.boot.pamphlet' and
'xruncomp.boot.pamphlet' do represent later developement compared to
base files.

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Martin Rubey wrote:
> what does
> 
> ll := [k, :ll]
> 
> do? I have never seen that before, although grep yields some hits.
> 

This just builds list with head 'k' and tail 'll'.  The colon means
that we want to "insert" a list -- without colon we would get
a two element list, having (value of) 'll' as as the second element.

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Waldek Hebisch <hebisch@math.uni.wroc.pl> writes:

> Martin Rubey wrote:
> > what does
> > 
> > ll := [k, :ll]
> > 
> > do? I have never seen that before, although grep yields some hits.

> This just builds list with head 'k' and tail 'll'.  The colon means that we
> want to "insert" a list -- without colon we would get a two element list,
> having (value of) 'll' as as the second element.

So I guess it really should be replaced with cons(k, ll) since ":" is not
defined as a spad function.


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Martin Rubey wrote:
> Waldek Hebisch <hebisch@math.uni.wroc.pl> writes:
> 
> > Martin Rubey wrote:
> > > what does
> > > 
> > > ll := [k, :ll]
> > > 
> > > do? I have never seen that before, although grep yields some hits.
> 
> > This just builds list with head 'k' and tail 'll'.  The colon means that we
> > want to "insert" a list -- without colon we would get a two element list,
> > having (value of) 'll' as as the second element.
> 
> So I guess it really should be replaced with cons(k, ll) since ":" is not
> defined as a spad function.
> 

the '[k, :ll]' construct is a "syntactic sugar", you can not write such
things using just functions.  So ":" here is _not_ a function -- the
construct is part of Spad syntax.

I considered using 'cons', but it seemed to me that colon syntax is
included in Spad to be used.

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Martin Rubey wrote:

> Waldek Hebisch <hebisch@math.uni.wroc.pl> writes:
> > P.S. AFAICS the problem is that the full list of kernel contains both
> > transcendental and algebraic kernels. goodCoef is relevant only for
> > transcendental kernels and got cofficients as a vector corresponding to
> > transcendental kernels. However, the list passed to goodCoef still contain
> > algebraic kernels, so goodCoef gets confised, and tries to eliminate wrong
> > kernel.
> 
> Yes, that's the same what I believe. However, I noticed that goodCoef is called
> only in two functions, namely taneval and expeval. 
> 
> Here is expeval:
> 
>     expeval(f, lk, k, v) ==
>       y   := first argument k
>       fns := toY lk
>       g := y - +/[qelt(v, i) * z for i in minIndex v .. maxIndex v for z in fns]
>       (rec := goodCoef(v, lk, "exp"::SY)) case "failed" =>
>         expnosimp(f, lk, k, v, fns, exp g)
>       v0 := retract(inv qelt(v, rec.index))@Z
>       lv := [qelt(v, i) for i in minIndex v .. maxIndex v |
>                                                  i ^= rec.index]$List(Q)
>       l  := [kk for kk in lk | kk ^= rec.ker]
>       h :F := */[exp(z) ** (- retract(a * v0)@Z) for a in lv for z in toY l]
>       h := h * exp(-v0 * g) * (k::F) ** v0
>       [eval(f, [rec.ker], [h]), [rec.ker], [h]]
> 
> 
> What I find a bit surprising is that goodCoef is not called as (roughly)
> 
>   goodCoef(v, fns, "exp"::SY)
> 
> fns would have to be coerced to the right type, of course. I thought that
> (formally), goodCoef
> 
>     goodCoef(v, l, s) ==
>       for i in minIndex v .. maxIndex v for k in l repeat
>         is?(k, s) and
>            ((r:=recip(qelt(v,i))) case Q) and
>             (retractIfCan(r::Q)@Union(Z, "failed") case Z)
>               and gdCoef?(qelt(v, i), v) => return([i, k])
>       "failed"
> 
> checks whether there is a kernel in l of "type" s, that has a coefficient whose
> inverse is an integer, and such that all other coefficients are multiples of
> this coefficient. So, v and l should really be of the same length. Looking at
> deprel
> 
>     deprel(ker, k, x) ==
>       is?(k, "log"::SY) or is?(k, "exp"::SY) =>
>         qdeprel([differentiate(g, x) for g in toY ker],
>                  differentiate(ktoY k, x))
>       is?(k, "atan"::SY) or is?(k, "tan"::SY) =>
>         qdeprel([differentiate(g, x) for g in toU ker],
>                  differentiate(ktoU k, x))
>       is?(k, NTHR) => rootDep(ker, k)
>       comb? and is?(k, "factorial"::SY) =>
>         factdeprel([x for x in ker | is?(x,"factorial"::SY) and x^=k],k)
>       [true]
> 
> I have the feeling that the coefficients in v really correspond to the lists
> toY (for exp) and toU (for tan).
>

Yes, exactly.  But toY (and toU) transform kernels while goodCoef needs to
look at original (untransformed) kernel, so we would have to produce
a separate list.
 
> Altogether, it seems to me that the code could need a bit cleaning up. Does
> anybody know whether sumit contains equivalent functionality?
> 
> I must admit that I do not understand your patch. I assume that it also fixes
> the correspondence between the vector of coefficients v and the list of kernels
> l. Why doesn't it fix that rather in expeval and taneval?
> 

I really do not "fix the correspondence": I detect when there is a
possible mismatch and return "failed" in this case.  The

     not (h = (maxIndex(v) - minIndex(v) + 1)) => "failed"

line is doing that.

Please understand that the patch is a compromise.  There are other
bugs when using EFSTRUC but at least one problem really affect most
of algebra.  Namely, rischNormalize can get into infinite loop:
rischNormalize (using Risch strucute theorem) can detect that some
kernels are algebraically dependent and forms an expression which
is a constant.  But simplifier is unable to see that the expression
is constant.  You have written that simplifing is undecidable, but
that happens even for "easily decidable" classes.  The problem
really is that various part of Axiom use inconsistent conventions.
rischNormalize is sound _only_ when sqrt(6)=sqrt(2)sqrt(3).  But
simplifier refuses to do such simplifications (they are invalid
using default "real" convention) and things which matematically
are fields turn into rings with zero divisors. 

You may think that simplification is a separate problem, but I
think that Bronstein added algebraic cases to rischNormalize
only because default simplifier was inadequate for his examples.
If you remove algebraic simplifications from rischNormalize then
the bug would go away.

Concerning my patch: EFSTRUC needs more fixes and restructuring it
may be a good idea.  However, such restructuring may require changes
in function signatures which currently requires rather lengthy
bootstrap procedure.  Also, I my tests I hit problems which looks
like compiler bugs (remember nested function thread).

So, I decided to do a minimal patch just fixing one problem. I tried
to keep changes localized -- putting change in expeval and taneval
would duplicate code.  To say the truth, fix for your problem is
a byproduct -- I simply did not want goodCoef to do wrong things
when a simple test could prevent it.

-- 
                              Waldek Hebisch
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Waldek Hebisch <hebisch@math.uni.wroc.pl> writes:

> > I have the feeling that the coefficients in v really correspond to the
> > lists toY (for exp) and toU (for tan).
> >
> 
> Yes, exactly.  But toY (and toU) transform kernels while goodCoef needs to
> look at original (untransformed) kernel, so we would have to produce a
> separate list.

OK, very good. We agree on the way things work.

> > I must admit that I do not understand your patch. I assume that it also fixes
> > the correspondence between the vector of coefficients v and the list of kernels
> > l. Why doesn't it fix that rather in expeval and taneval?
> > 
> 
> I really do not "fix the correspondence": I detect when there is a
> possible mismatch and return "failed" in this case.  The
> 
>      not (h = (maxIndex(v) - minIndex(v) + 1)) => "failed"
> 
> line is doing that.

OK.

> Please understand that the patch is a compromise.  There are other bugs when
> using EFSTRUC but at least one problem really affect most of algebra.
> Namely, rischNormalize can get into infinite loop:

Yes, I found such situations, too.

> rischNormalize (using Risch strucute theorem) can detect that some kernels
> are algebraically dependent and forms an expression which is a constant.  But
> simplifier is unable to see that the expression is constant.  You have
> written that simplifing is undecidable, but that happens even for "easily
> decidable" classes.  The problem really is that various part of Axiom use
> inconsistent conventions.  rischNormalize is sound _only_ when
> sqrt(6)=sqrt(2)sqrt(3).  But simplifier refuses to do such simplifications
> (they are invalid using default "real" convention) and things which
> matematically are fields turn into rings with zero divisors.

Yes. This *really* needs cleaning up. In fact, I think we should consider to
redesign the algebra to make use of axioms like canonicalUnitNormal and the
like. Maybe Francois is heading in the right direction, too, when he tries to
choose consistent simplification rules for EXPR. However, I think that he will
need some help.

I guess that the main problem with EXPR and friends is, that it is not clear
what the variables are. Do you know the assumptions needed for RischNormalize?

I wonder whether SumIt is a similar mess.
 

Martin




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Can somebody explain the difference between Aldor's
   export from ...
and
   export to ...

Peter Broadbery used

	export from UNISEG %;

in axextend.as from

http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/src_aldor2.tgz
http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AldorForAxiom

but if one says

aldor -gloop
#include "axiom"
Integer

it prints as

         export to UniversalSegment(%)

Thanks

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"export from" is correct. 

-- Stephen

On Wed, Dec 06, 2006 at 05:34:59PM +0100, Ralf Hemmecke wrote:
> Can somebody explain the difference between Aldor's
>    export from ...
> and
>    export to ...
> 
> Peter Broadbery used
> 
> 	export from UNISEG %;
> 
> in axextend.as from
> 
> http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/src_aldor2.tgz
> http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AldorForAxiom
> 
> but if one says
> 
> aldor -gloop
> #include "axiom"
> Integer
> 
> it prints as
> 
>          export to UniversalSegment(%)
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Ralf
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Hello Martin and Waldek,

Do you have examples where rischNormalize fails.
What might be the result, and what do you get.

why rischNormalize (sqrt 2 * sqrt 3 * x - sqrt 6, x) is wrong ?
Because there is not the x-1 factor in the result ?

Do you have others examples ?

Do you have a test files with the main axiom mistakes.

> Yes. This *really* needs cleaning up. In fact, I think we should consider to
> redesign the algebra to make use of axioms like canonicalUnitNormal and the
> like. 

> Maybe Francois is heading in the right direction, too, when he tries
> to choose consistent simplification rules for EXPR. However, I think
> that he will need some help.

Of corse I try to find coherent simplifications, 
but this isn't my first aim.

My main idea is to have honest calculus for analysis, 

I'll try to use it in my classroom for my 18 years old students, 
In France the official program forces to use Maple or perhaps Mathematica, 
not mupad, not giac, not axiom.

First I hunt real equalities as (a^b)^c = a^(bc) but complex inequalities.
Then I force axiom to expand cos (2*a) as well as cos (a+b).

After this I try to shorten expressions 
  without loop (of corse)
  without too computations, so I don't make complete global gcd over arguments.
  
But in an expand function it may be possible to slice sqrt 6 in sqrt 2 
and sqrt 3. I do this in an expand trigonometric function.

expand (cos (2*a/3) + cos (2*a/5), "WithDivisor")
(67) -> expand (cos (2*a/3)*cos(2*a/5), "WithDivisor")
   (67)
           2a 2    2a 6         2a 4    2a 4         2a 6    2a 2       2a 8
   - 15cos(--) sin(--)  + 35cos(--) sin(--)  - 13cos(--) sin(--)  + cos(--)
           15      15           15      15           15      15         15
                                                     Type: Expression Integer

This parsing is a bit long, too long for an automatic computation 
at each time, but is possible in a expand function. 

I'll try to do the same over sqrt, exp and power.
I'll break all a^((p/q)*u+...) where p and q are Integer 
in a polynomial in ... (a^(1/q))^p ...

In the actual expr.spad file I only simplify monoic denominator.

So I expect to simplify (exp (2*x)+exp (3*x))/(exp (-x)+1) in exp x^3=exp(3x).

(ex^2 + ex^3)/(ex^-1+1) exp(x)^3 

A last question : what do you prefer ?  

1/z^a or z^(-a). 

In the first case I choose a positive exponent for axiom because a>0,
and then z^a * z^-a = 1, all right !

In the second I reduce the denominator because I prefer polynom to fraction.
The contract operator over power simplifies also z^a z^-a in 1.

Of corse (1/z)^a is forbidden : try with z=-1 and a=1/2 !

Have a nice evening !

Francois.



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Martin Rubey wrote:
> Waldek Hebisch <hebisch@math.uni.wroc.pl> writes:
> > rischNormalize (using Risch strucute theorem) can detect that some kernels
> > are algebraically dependent and forms an expression which is a constant.  But
> > simplifier is unable to see that the expression is constant.  You have
> > written that simplifing is undecidable, but that happens even for "easily
> > decidable" classes.  The problem really is that various part of Axiom use
> > inconsistent conventions.  rischNormalize is sound _only_ when
> > sqrt(6)=sqrt(2)sqrt(3).  But simplifier refuses to do such simplifications
> > (they are invalid using default "real" convention) and things which
> > matematically are fields turn into rings with zero divisors.
> 
> Yes. This *really* needs cleaning up. In fact, I think we should consider to
> redesign the algebra to make use of axioms like canonicalUnitNormal and the
> like. Maybe Francois is heading in the right direction, too, when he tries to
> choose consistent simplification rules for EXPR. However, I think that he will
> need some help.
> 
> I guess that the main problem with EXPR and friends is, that it is not clear
> what the variables are. Do you know the assumptions needed for RischNormalize?
I do not know what problems with variables you see here (I am aware of
tread about Polynomial Expression Integer, but I think it is a separate
problem).  The problem I mention really boils down to definition of
roots (in praticular square root): some field computations
treat roots just as a particular case of field extension.  So root is
an abstract quantity fully characterized by its defining polynomial.
But numerical functions and some real algorithms do care which
of the roots is chosen.  
We should systematically distinguish both kinds of extensions. When
convertion from "real" extension to "agebraic" in may be wise to
keep extra info around so that we can convert back without loss
of information.  When converting from "agebraic" extension to a
"real" one we need to do a case split (here conditional expressions
would be usefull).

RischNormalize tries to implement Risch structure theorem:

------<start TeX>
\begin{theo}\label{rischstr1}
Let $K$ be a differential field with
derivative $D$ and field of constants $k$.  Assume that elements
$z_j\in K$, $y_j\in K$ satisfy ${{Dz_j}\over{z_j}} = Dy_j$,
$j = 1,\dots,n$.  Then either transcendental degree of
$k(x, y_1,\dots, y_n, z_1,\dots, z_n)$ is greater or equal to $n+1$
or elements $Dy_1,\dots, Dy_n$ are linearly dependent over
rational numbers.
\end{theo}


\begin{coro}\label{rischstr2}
Let $K$ be a differential field with $D$.  Assume that elements
$z_j\in K$, $y_j\in K$ satisfy ${{Dz_j}\over{z_j}} = Dy_j$,
$j = 1,\dots,n$ and that $K$ is algebraic over
$k(x, y_1,\dots, y_n, z_1,\dots, z_n)$. Also assume that
${{Dz_{n+1}}\over{z_{n+1}}} = Dy_{n+1}$ and $y_{n+1}\in K$.  Then
either $z_{n+1}$ is transcendental over $K$, or there are rational
numbers $q_j$ such that
$$Dy_{n+1} = \sum_{j = 1}^{n}q_jDy_j.$$
In the second case $z_{n+1} = c\prod_{j = 1}^{n}z_j^{q_j}$, where $c$
is a constant.
----<end TeX>

so basic assumption is that we are given a computable field of
constants.  But rischNormalize uses operations implemented by other
domains to perform actual computuations, so there are extra
assumptions.  One is that if an expression does not depend on a
kernel (which is checked using derivatives) simplifier should
eliminate this kernel from the expression.  For example
representing 'y' as 'x - x + y' is legal for computable fields,
but rischNormalize would not tolerate such representation.
Of course, since expressions are represented as rational functions
of kernels such simple problem can not happen in Axiom. But
(sqrt(2)*sqrt(3)-sqrt(6))*exp(x) already hints towards possible
problems.

-- 
                              Waldek Hebisch
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Dear Waldek,

thanks for your explanations.

Waldek Hebisch <hebisch@math.uni.wroc.pl> writes:

> Martin Rubey wrote:
> > Waldek Hebisch <hebisch@math.uni.wroc.pl> writes:

> > I guess that the main problem with EXPR and friends is, that it is not
> > clear what the variables are. Do you know the assumptions needed for
> > RischNormalize?

> I do not know what problems with variables you see here

I meant that it is not clear what the coefficient field for rischNormalize is:
rischNormalize works over F, which is a "FunctionSpace R". 

To fix things, suppose that F is EXPR INT and the expression we consider
contains only one variable. I guess the field of constants is the field of
"numeric" elements from EXPR INT, i.e., expressions that do not contain a
variable.

Of course, this is still not a computable coefficient field. However, in this
case it is at least clear mathematically what sqrt(2)*sqrt(3)-sqrt(6) is
supposed to be.

Now, if we switch to a field of constants containing some variables, what about
sqrt(x)*sqrt(y)-sqrt(x*y)?

> But rischNormalize uses operations implemented by other domains to perform
> actual computuations, so there are extra assumptions.  One is that if an
> expression does not depend on a kernel (which is checked using derivatives)
> simplifier should eliminate this kernel from the expression.  For example
> representing 'y' as 'x - x + y' is legal for computable fields, 

There are some related axioms defined in attreg.spad (namely
canonicalUnitNormal, unitsKnown and canonical). In any case, I think that there
should be a way to check whether equality is "mathematical" or only
heuristic.

> but rischNormalize would not tolerate such representation.  Of course, since
> expressions are represented as rational functions of kernels such simple
> problem can not happen in Axiom. But (sqrt(2)*sqrt(3)-sqrt(6))*exp(x) already
> hints towards possible problems.


By the way, are there any interesting computable coefficient fields for
rischNormalize?

> (I am aware of tread about Polynomial Expression Integer, but I think it is a
> separate problem).  

Yes. In fact, I meanwhile think that it is not a problem, apart from the fact
that axiom lacks domains UnivariateExpression and MultivariateExpression
analogous to the polynomial domains.

Martin




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Hello,

I seem to have some problems with conditional exports. What error 
message is that...

Won't parse: (Type)->Join(If(Test(Has(S,BasicType)),BasicType,NIL),etc)

???

See below.

I first stubled over an error which was seemingly connected to a 
difference in the way I loaded the code. Then the axo way worked, but 
the axlsp method failed. But if I cannot get over this one here, I 
really don't know how to go on.

And again there is the problem with "extend". It is simply a pain if I 
have to rename domains only because Axiom does not allow to load a 
domain and later an extension of it. Please, please, please, make 
"extend" work in Axiom.

Ralf

---BEGIN Makefile
ALDOR=${ALDORROOT}/bin/aldor
ALDORFLAGS=-Y . -Y ${ALDORROOT}/lib -Y ${AXIOM}/algebra \
	-I . -I ${ALDORROOT}/include \
	-dAxiom -O -Fasy -Flsp -laxiom -Mno-ALDOR_W_WillObsolete \
	-fao -Mno-mactext -M2 -Mno-abbrev

all:
	@echo "Say 'make axlsp' or 'make axo'."

clean:
	-rm *.asy *.ao *.lsp *.fn *.o *.input libdb.text
	-rm *.al


axlsp: clean
	${ALDOR} ${ALDORFLAGS} csaxcompat.as
	echo ")lib csaxcompat"	> axlsp.input
	${AXIOM}/bin/AXIOMsys < axlsp.input

axo: clean
	echo ")co csaxcompat.as" > axo.input
	${AXIOM}/bin/AXIOMsys < axo.input
---END Makefile

---BEGIN csaxcompat.as
#include "axiom"
Array(S: Type): with {
	if S has BasicType then BasicType;
} == IndexedOneDimensionalArray(S, 0$Integer) add {}
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Martin Rubey wrote:
> I meant that it is not clear what the coefficient field for rischNormalize is:
> rischNormalize works over F, which is a "FunctionSpace R". 
> 

Indeed.  It looks that when integrating F is EXPR COMPLEX INT.

> To fix things, suppose that F is EXPR INT and the expression we consider
> contains only one variable. I guess the field of constants is the field of
> "numeric" elements from EXPR INT, i.e., expressions that do not contain a
> variable.

Yes.

> 
> Of course, this is still not a computable coefficient field. However, in this
> case it is at least clear mathematically what sqrt(2)*sqrt(3)-sqrt(6) is
> supposed to be.
>
> Now, if we switch to a field of constants containing some variables, what about
> sqrt(x)*sqrt(y)-sqrt(x*y)?
>

At least in theory extra variable cause no difficulty.  Difficulties are
due to extra operations (like elliptic functions).  Risch structure theorem
also works for multivariate functions, so for example you can reduce
zero test for elementary functions to zero test for elementary constants.
 
> By the way, are there any interesting computable coefficient fields for
> rischNormalize?
>

Algebraic numbers are computable, assuming Schanuel conjecture elementary
numbers are computable (so also elementary functions are computable).

My point of view is that main task of rischNormalize is to build computable
representation for elementary functions, so it has to accept somewhat
unstuctured input and I do not expect that type of argument can alone
guarantee computability.

Looking now at 'normalize' I think that 'normalize' is wrong.  Namely,
expressions are rational functions of kernels.  If kernels are 
algebraically dependent we risk divion by zero.  Some kernels (like
roots) involve explicit algebraic dependence and simplifier
should be smart enough to reduce then to normal form.  But if
there is dependence between transcendental kernels we have to
'normalize' first. rischNormalize is carefull to use a variable kernel
in computations only after it is normalized.  But 'normalize'
normalizes separately in each variable, so if we have function of
x and y and we normalize first in x we use parts depending on y
before they are normalized.  AFAICS correct version would
normalize simultaneously in all variables.

-- 
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I recently tried removing NAG related domains. After removing about 100
domains Axiom build fine with no change in test results.  This means that
large part of Axiom remains completly untested.

Looking at Nag tarball I see that it contins a 'nagd' subdirectory
which at first glance looks like sources of Nag demon.  If we have
right to re-distibute it we could try to get it working and
substitute some other numeriacal library in place of the Nag library.
ATM I do not know how much work is needed to get 'nagd' and 'naglink'
running but hopefully this may be easy.

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Hello,

I seem to have some problems with conditional exports. What error
message is that...

Won't parse: (Type)->Join(If(Test(Has(S,BasicType)),BasicType,NIL),etc)

???

See below.

I first stubled over an error which was seemingly connected to a
difference in the way I loaded the code. Then the axo way worked, but
the axlsp method failed. But if I cannot get over this one here, I
really don't know how to go on.

And again there is the problem with "extend". It is simply a pain if I
have to rename domains only because Axiom does not allow to load a
domain and later an extension of it. Please, please, please, make
"extend" work in Axiom.

Ralf

---BEGIN Makefile
ALDOR=${ALDORROOT}/bin/aldor
ALDORFLAGS=-Y . -Y ${ALDORROOT}/lib -Y ${AXIOM}/algebra \
	-I . -I ${ALDORROOT}/include \
	-dAxiom -O -Fasy -Flsp -laxiom -Mno-ALDOR_W_WillObsolete \
	-fao -Mno-mactext -M2 -Mno-abbrev

all:
	@echo "Say 'make axlsp' or 'make axo'."

clean:
	-rm *.asy *.ao *.lsp *.fn *.o *.input libdb.text
	-rm *.al


axlsp: clean
	${ALDOR} ${ALDORFLAGS} csaxcompat.as
	echo ")lib csaxcompat"	> axlsp.input
	${AXIOM}/bin/AXIOMsys < axlsp.input

axo: clean
	echo ")co csaxcompat.as" > axo.input
	${AXIOM}/bin/AXIOMsys < axo.input
---END Makefile

---BEGIN csaxcompat.as
#include "axiom"
Array(S: Type): with {
	if S has BasicType then BasicType;
} == IndexedOneDimensionalArray(S, 0$Integer) add {}
---END csaxcompat.as





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Dear Waldek,

Waldek Hebisch <hebisch@math.uni.wroc.pl> writes:

> Martin Rubey wrote:

> > Now, if we switch to a field of constants containing some variables, what
> > about sqrt(x)*sqrt(y)-sqrt(x*y)?

> At least in theory extra variable cause no difficulty.  Difficulties are due
> to extra operations (like elliptic functions).  Risch structure theorem also
> works for multivariate functions, so for example you can reduce zero test for
> elementary functions to zero test for elementary constants.

So, does that mean that it doesn't matter what sqrt(x)*sqrt(y)-sqrt(x*y) is, as
long as it is consistent? I guess there are two different cases, namely, one
where we normalize with respect to, say, x, i.e., y is a constant but x isn't,
the other casebeing when both x and y are constants.


> > By the way, are there any interesting computable coefficient fields for
> > rischNormalize?
> 
> Algebraic numbers are computable, assuming Schanuel conjecture elementary
> numbers are computable (so also elementary functions are computable).

Of course, Axiom doesn't have a domain for elementary functions... Would it be
difficult to implement such a domain?

> My point of view is that main task of rischNormalize is to build computable
> representation for elementary functions, so it has to accept somewhat
> unstuctured input and I do not expect that type of argument can alone
> guarantee computability.

What do you mean with "somewhat unstructured input"? I also do not understand
"I do not expect that the type of the argument alone can guarantee
computability". Computability of what? I'd guess that if the argument type is
computable, then rischNormalize should return a normal form. Is this correct?

> Looking now at 'normalize' I think that 'normalize' is wrong.  Namely,
> expressions are rational functions of kernels.  If kernels are algebraically
> dependent we risk divion by zero.  Some kernels (like roots) involve explicit
> algebraic dependence and simplifier should be smart enough to reduce then to
> normal form.  

Do you mean that EXPR INT should store it's things rischNormalized? I guess
that this would make sense, however only if we keep the unnormalized form as
well, if it is "shorter". But I guess, I misunderstood.

By the way, I stumbled over an old paper by Karl Aberer who presents a normal
form for expressions built using 1, 0, +, -, *, id and composition. It may not
be so surprising, but I think it might be useful at some point. Furthermore,
the procedure that normalizes is absolutely simple. Notice the absence of
division, though.

> But if there is dependence between transcendental kernels we have to
> 'normalize' first. rischNormalize is carefull to use a variable kernel in
> computations only after it is normalized.  But 'normalize' normalizes
> separately in each variable, so if we have function of x and y and we
> normalize first in x we use parts depending on y before they are normalized.
> AFAICS correct version would normalize simultaneously in all variables.

Is this possible?



Martin




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Does somebody know how I can make "Generator" available in Axiom?

I would like to write something like

l: List Integer := [2,3,5,7]
g: Generator := (x for x in l)
s: DataStream(Integer) := stream g

(where DataStream(S) is a type with a function

stream: Generator S -> %

Please don't tell me that it is currently impossible.

Ralf



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Hello,

Since Axiom does not understand domains that are extended via Aldor, I 
had to use another name. So now I have an ACString (defined in a .as 
file) which has the same exports as String + some additional ones. In 
fact, I don't need to see String anymore on the Axiom command line.

I'd like to have that typing

s := "I am a string"

returns s of type ACString and not of type String.

Of course,

s: ACString := "blah"

already works, but the problem is

l: ACList(ACString) := ["a", "b"]

Any help to "unexpose" String, Integer, SingleInteger, MachineInteger, 
and Character is very much appreciated.

Thank you
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Since nobody answered my previous Generator question, here is another 
problem.

How can I convert back and forth between Aldor-Generator and Axiom-Stream?

It is not trivial, since I cannot use the export

generate: (()->S) -> %

from Stream(S), because 'generate' is a keyword in Aldor.

So I looked up its definition and wrote

---BEGIN gentst.as
#include "axiom"
macro Z == Integer;

extend Stream(T: Type): with {
--	mygenerate: (()->T) -> %;
	coerce: Generator T -> %;
} == add {
	local mygenerate(f: () -> T): % == delay concat(f(), mygenerate f);
	local rhxnext!(g: Generator T)(): T == {
		for t in g repeat return t;
		0$Z pretend T;
	}
	coerce(g: Generator T): % == mygenerate rhxnext! g;
}
---END gentst.as

But compilation gave me the following

woodpecker:~/scratch>woodpecker:atch>aldor -Y . -Y $ALDORROOT/lib -I 
$ALDORROOT/include -dAxiom -q1 -Fasy -Flsp -laxiom 
-Mno-ALDOR_W_WillObsolete -Y 
/home/hemmecke/software/Axiom/mnt/linux/algebra -fao -M2 -Mno-abbrev 
gentst.as
"gentst.as", line 8:
         local mygenerate(f: () -> T): % == delay concat(f(), mygenerate f);
...........................................^
[L8 C44] #1 (Fatal Error) Compiler bug: unsupported absyn (Delay) found 
by genFoam.

Any help is much appreciated.

Why do I need that? I have an Aldor function that returns Generator(T). 
I am able to call that function in an Axiom session, but I cannot 
iterate over such a result, i.e. if g:Generator(T) then

for t in g repeat ....

does not work inside Axiom. :-(

Ralf



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Hi,

  I have made some progress on getting Axiom compile on Windows (mingw/msys).

First, there is a pending issue with compiler::link and rsym (which I
already mailed Camm about).  I hacked around that problem by copying
rsym.exe in the src/lisp/ sub-directory of the build directory.

The second problem occurs when interpsys is being built.  More
specifically, I have the following error (abbreviated)

============================

echo '(progn (gbc t) (load "makeint.lisp") (gbc t) (user::spad-save "../..//build/i686-pc-mingw32/bin/interpsys.exe"))' | DAASE="../../../axiom.bi/src/share" ./../..//build/i686-pc-mingw32/bin/lisp
GCL (GNU Common Lisp)  2.6.8 CLtL1    Dec 10 2006 04:26:41
Source License: LGPL(gcl,gmp), GPL(unexec,bfd,xgcl)
Binary License:  GPL due to GPL'ed components: (UNEXEC)
Modifications of this banner must retain notice of a compatible license
Dedicated to the memory of W. Schelter

Use (help) to get some basic information on how to use GCL.
Temporary directory for compiler files set to ./../..//build/i686-pc-mingw32/

>
Loading makeint.lisp
Loading sys-pkg.lisp
Finished loading sys-pkg.lisp
Loading ../../../axiom.bi/src/interp/interp-proclaims.lisp
Finished loading ../../../axiom.bi/src/interp/interp-proclaims.lisp

[...]

start address -T 10629000 Finished loading xrun.o
Loading interop.o
start address -T 1062f000 Finished loading interop.o
Loading patches.o
start address -T 10638000 Finished loading patches.o
   Using local database ../../../axiom.bi/src/share/algebra/compress.daase..   Re-reading compress.daase   Using local database ../../../axiom.bi/src/share/algebra/interp.daase..   Re-reading interp.daase

Error: Caught fatal error [memory may be damaged]
Fast links are on: do (si::use-fast-links nil) for debugging
Error signalled by RETURN.
Broken at APPLY.  Type :H for Help.

============================


To get to that point I have to disable calls to apply the patch (at
the end of this message) to src/interp/patches.lisp.pamphlet.

Suggestions?

-- Gaby


*** usbdisk_2/cas/axiom/bi/src/interp/patches.lisp.pamphlet	2006-11-30 15:51:12.000000000 -0600
--- usbdisk/axiom.bi/src/interp/patches.lisp.pamphlet	2006-12-10 08:59:50.000000000 -0600
*************** previous definition.
*** 342,352 ****
      (setq returncode 0))
     (unless (zerop returncode) (bye returncode)))))
  
! #+:dos
  (setq vmlisp::$current-directory (truename "."))
  #+:dos
  (setq vmlisp::$spadroot "/spad/mnt/dos")
! #+:dos
  (defun user-homedir-pathname ()
   (truename "."))
  
--- 342,352 ----
      (setq returncode 0))
     (unless (zerop returncode) (bye returncode)))))
  
! #+(or :dos :win32)
  (setq vmlisp::$current-directory (truename "."))
  #+:dos
  (setq vmlisp::$spadroot "/spad/mnt/dos")
! #+(or :dos :win32)
  (defun user-homedir-pathname ()
   (truename "."))
  
*************** previous definition.
*** 379,385 ****
  
  (defun |makeList| (size el) (make-list size :initial-element el) )
  
! #+:akcl
  (defun print-xdr-stream (x y z) (format y "XDR:~A" (xdr-stream-name x)))
  #+:akcl
  (defstruct (xdr-stream
--- 379,385 ----
  
  (defun |makeList| (size el) (make-list size :initial-element el) )
  
! #+:ackl
  (defun print-xdr-stream (x y z) (format y "XDR:~A" (xdr-stream-name x)))
  #+:akcl
  (defstruct (xdr-stream
*************** previous definition.
*** 387,411 ****
             "A structure to hold XDR streams. The stream is printed out."
             (handle ) ;; this is what is used for xdr-open xdr-read xdr-write
             (name ))  ;; this is used for printing
! #+:akcl
  (defun |xdrOpen| (str dir) (make-xdr-stream :handle (system:xdr-open str) :name str))
  #+:CCL
  (defun |xdrOpen| (str dir) (xdr-open str dir) )
! #+:dos
  (defun |xdrOpen| (str dir) (format t "xdrOpen called"))
  
! #+:akcl
  (defun |xdrRead| (xstr r) (system:xdr-read (xdr-stream-handle xstr) r) )
  #+:CCL
  (defun |xdrRead| (xstr r) (xdr-read xstr r) )
! #+:dos
  (defun |xdrRead| (str) (format t "xdrRead called"))
  
! #+:akcl
  (defun |xdrWrite| (xstr d) (system:xdr-write (xdr-stream-handle xstr) d) )
  #+:CCL
  (defun |xdrWrite| (xstr d) (xdr-write xstr d) )
! #+:dos
  (defun |xdrWrite| (str) (format t "xdrWrite called"))
  
  ;; here is a test for XDR
--- 387,411 ----
             "A structure to hold XDR streams. The stream is printed out."
             (handle ) ;; this is what is used for xdr-open xdr-read xdr-write
             (name ))  ;; this is used for printing
! #+(and :akcl (not (or :dos :win32)))
  (defun |xdrOpen| (str dir) (make-xdr-stream :handle (system:xdr-open str) :name str))
  #+:CCL
  (defun |xdrOpen| (str dir) (xdr-open str dir) )
! #+(or :dos :win32)
  (defun |xdrOpen| (str dir) (format t "xdrOpen called"))
  
! #+(and :akcl (not (or :dos :win32)))
  (defun |xdrRead| (xstr r) (system:xdr-read (xdr-stream-handle xstr) r) )
  #+:CCL
  (defun |xdrRead| (xstr r) (xdr-read xstr r) )
! #+(or :dos :win32)
  (defun |xdrRead| (str) (format t "xdrRead called"))
  
! #+(and :akcl (not (or :dos :win32)))
  (defun |xdrWrite| (xstr d) (system:xdr-write (xdr-stream-handle xstr) d) )
  #+:CCL
  (defun |xdrWrite| (xstr d) (xdr-write xstr d) )
! #+(or :dos :win32)
  (defun |xdrWrite| (str) (format t "xdrWrite called"))
  
  ;; here is a test for XDR



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Hello Ralf,

The String type and some others are "primitive" types. All is done by
the interpreter so you can not modify this without modifying the
interpreter. The interpreter has to know some of theses primitive types
when it parses and interprets what you're typing. For example if you
type '1.3' (integer dot integer) it returns by default a Float but this
string is first tokenized and after "Floatized" by the interpreter (it
calls float$Float by default). Some values (default types) are assigned
to variables in the interpreter, in your example the variable |$String|
($String in the boot language) holds the default type of strings
(something enclosed in double quote probably). So if you modify this
variable you'll change the default type of strings. You can test it if
you want with:

)lisp (setq |$String| '(|MyString|))

And the default type of strings will be MyString. But in fact don't do
that. This "knowledge" is shared, the interpeter and the spad compiler
use it and after this modification the spad compiler, for example, no
longer "understands" what a string is. The cause of this is may be the
fact that in the code these variables ($String, $Integer etc...) are not
always used, sometimes a default type is directly used. All these things
need to be cleaned up I think.

As far as I know only one default type can be modified, the default type
for floating point numbers. If you issue in the interpreter:

)boot $useBFasDefault:=3Dfalse

or in Lisp

)lisp (setq |$useBFasDefault| nil)


The default type for floating point numbers will be DoubleFloat (for the
interpreter and the spad compiler) but, as you see, you can not choose
the type.

Greg


Le samedi 09 d=E9cembre 2006 =E0 22:33 +0100, Ralf Hemmecke a =E9crit :=20
> Hello,
>=20
> Since Axiom does not understand domains that are extended via Aldor, I=20
> had to use another name. So now I have an ACString (defined in a .as=20
> file) which has the same exports as String + some additional ones. In=20
> fact, I don't need to see String anymore on the Axiom command line.
>=20
> I'd like to have that typing
>=20
> s :=3D "I am a string"
>=20
> returns s of type ACString and not of type String.
>=20
> Of course,
>=20
> s: ACString :=3D "blah"
>=20
> already works, but the problem is
>=20
> l: ACList(ACString) :=3D ["a", "b"]
>=20
> Any help to "unexpose" String, Integer, SingleInteger, MachineInteger,=20
> and Character is very much appreciated.
>=20
> Thank you
> Ralf
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Dear Greg,

 > )lisp (setq |$String| '(|MyString|))

Wonderful. Thank you. That seems to do what I want. I don't care much 
about the SPAD compiler. And in the interpreter I want to see only 
MyString anyway, because it actually is String only that I have 
"extend"ed its functionality.

(1) -> )lib cscombinatversion csaxcompat
(1) -> )lisp (setq |$String| '(|ACString|))
(1) ->
Value = (|ACString|)
)lisp (setq |$String| '(|MyString|))
(1) -> l: ACList(ACString) := ["a", "b"]
    (1)  ["a","b"]
                                 Type: ACList ACString

Of course, I have to test that more carefully.

What are the corresponding variables for

SingleInteger
Character
List
Set

On 12/10/2006 05:47 PM, Vanuxem Gregory wrote:
> Hello Ralf,
> 
> The String type and some others are "primitive" types. All is done by
> the interpreter so you can not modify this without modifying the
> interpreter.

That's bad. :-(

> The interpreter has to know some of theses primitive types
> when it parses and interprets what you're typing. For example if you
> type '1.3' (integer dot integer) it returns by default a Float but this
> string is first tokenized and after "Floatized" by the interpreter (it
> calls float$Float by default).

Clear, but I like more that way the Aldor compiler handles that. The 
only knowledge it has is that for something that looks like a float, 
integer or a string it has to call functions

float:   Literal -> %
integer: Literal -> %
string:  Literal -> %

from whatever domains are currently in scope.

So my understanding was that if I expose MyString and unexpose String, 
everything should be fine. Both have a string function but only the one 
from MyString is now visible to the interpreter. That would be nice in 
Axiom.

> As far as I know only one default type can be modified, the default type
> for floating point numbers. If you issue in the interpreter:
> 
> )boot $useBFasDefault:=false
> 
> or in Lisp
> 
> )lisp (setq |$useBFasDefault| nil)

This one I don't understand. But since I am not interested in modifying 
anything connected to floats, there is no need to explain.

Best regards
Ralf



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Tim --

  What is the role of the following function? (from src/interp/util.lisp)

   #+(and :AKCL (not :dos))
   (in-package "COMPILER")
   #+(and :AKCL (not :dos))
   (defun gazonk-name ( &aux tem)
    "return the name of the intermediate compiler file"
    (dotimes (i 1000)
     (setq tem (merge-pathnames (format nil "/tmp/gazonk~d.lsp" i)))
     (unless (probe-file tem)
       (return-from gazonk-name (pathname tem))))
    (error "1000 gazonk names used already!"))


What is it trying to achieve and why?

-- Gaby



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Le dimanche 10 d=E9cembre 2006 =E0 19:23 +0100, Ralf Hemmecke a =E9crit :
> Dear Greg,
>=20
>  > )lisp (setq |$String| '(|MyString|))
>=20
> Wonderful. Thank you. That seems to do what I want. I don't care much=20
> about the SPAD compiler. And in the interpreter I want to see only=20
> MyString anyway, because it actually is String only that I have=20
> "extend"ed its functionality.
>=20
> (1) -> )lib cscombinatversion csaxcompat
> (1) -> )lisp (setq |$String| '(|ACString|))
> (1) ->
> Value =3D (|ACString|)
> )lisp (setq |$String| '(|MyString|))
> (1) -> l: ACList(ACString) :=3D ["a", "b"]
>     (1)  ["a","b"]
>                                  Type: ACList ACString
>=20
> Of course, I have to test that more carefully.

Yes that works only because they are internally Lisp strings
and your implementation use this representation (as String).

> What are the corresponding variables for
>=20
> SingleInteger
> Character

Nothing (though |$SingleInteger| exists), they are not what I call
primitive types. To create a Character or a SingleInteger you have, as
far as I know, to coerce a string (with the 'char' function) or an
Integer.

> List

This one is special, List are created at the Lisp level in the
interpreter (as String and Integers), there is no variable that holds
this type. The parser probably detect the brackets and creates a Lisp
list.

> Set

Same thing than SingleInteger and Character I believe. I don't know how
to create a set in the interpreter without the set function.

Sorry, as far as I know what you're doing can be done only with String,
Integer, PositiveInteger and Integer (|$String|, |$Integer| etc...) but
I repeat, don't do that :-), the behavior of Axiom becomes undefined.=20

[...]

> Clear, but I like more that way the Aldor compiler handles that. The=20
> only knowledge it has is that for something that looks like a float,=20
> integer or a string it has to call functions
>=20
> float:   Literal -> %
> integer: Literal -> %
> string:  Literal -> %
>=20
> from whatever domains are currently in scope.
>=20
> So my understanding was that if I expose MyString and unexpose String,=20
> everything should be fine. Both have a string function but only the one=
=20
> from MyString is now visible to the interpreter. That would be nice in=20
> Axiom.

I don't know how Aldor works, but I prefer, too, the way Aldor handles
this.

Greg




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I didn't bother to document "the why" :-) . The AKCL compiler
wrote out the lisp code into a file called
/tmp/gazonk which was supposed to be a temporary file and
was erased when the compiler completed.

Due to the speed of the machines it was often the case that I
would have an Axiom build running (nearly continuously since
it took so long) and I'd want to also continue to work. If I
did a compile-file there would be a gazonk name collision
since these were two independent lisp images. Thus compiling
a file usually caused the Axiom build to fail. This fixes the
problem by searching for an unused name.

This might still be an issue for parallel builds. I'm not sure
what GCL does. Although I suspect this bit Bill Schelter and
he likely fixed it in AKCL/GCL.

   #+(and :AKCL (not :dos))
   (in-package "COMPILER")
   #+(and :AKCL (not :dos))
   (defun gazonk-name ( &aux tem)
    "return the name of the intermediate compiler file"
    (dotimes (i 1000)
     (setq tem (merge-pathnames (format nil "/tmp/gazonk~d.lsp" i)))
     (unless (probe-file tem)
       (return-from gazonk-name (pathname tem))))
    (error "1000 gazonk names used already!"))




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On Mon, 11 Dec 2006, root wrote:

| I didn't bother to document "the why" :-) . The AKCL compiler
| wrote out the lisp code into a file called
| /tmp/gazonk which was supposed to be a temporary file and
| was erased when the compiler completed.

Thanks for the "why".  That prompted me to look into GCL's
source code.

| Due to the speed of the machines it was often the case that I
| would have an Axiom build running (nearly continuously since
| it took so long) and I'd want to also continue to work. If I
| did a compile-file there would be a gazonk name collision
| since these were two independent lisp images. Thus compiling
| a file usually caused the Axiom build to fail. This fixes the
| problem by searching for an unused name.
|
| This might still be an issue for parallel builds. I'm not sure
| what GCL does. Although I suspect this bit Bill Schelter and
| he likely fixed it in AKCL/GCL.

It is fixed in GCL in pseudo "randomized way" -- GCL could use mkstemp
(if available on the system) as opposed to getpid().

(import 'si::*tmp-dir* 'compiler)
(defun gazonk-name ()
  (dotimes (i 1000)
   (let ((tem (merge-pathnames
               (format nil "~agazonk_~d_~d.lsp" (if (boundp '*tmp-dir*) *tmp-dir* "") (abs (si::getpid)) i))))
    (unless (probe-file tem)
     (return-from gazonk-name (pathname tem)))))
 (error "1000 gazonk names used already!"))


It is now OK to remove Axiom's work-around.

-- Gaby



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Camm --

  I'm wondering what the behaviour of "gcl -batch" is.  The info page
says:

   `-batch'
        Do not enter the command print loop.  Useful if the other command
        line arguments do something.  Do not print the License and
        acknowledgement information.  Note if your program does print any
        License information, it must print the GCL header information
        also.


I intepreted that as meaning that only the licence and acknowledgement
information is not printed -- but anything else produced as side effect
of evaluating Lisp expressions would be printed.  That does not seem
to be the case.  In particular I expected the following command

   % echo '(format nil "~a" si::*system-directory*)' | gcl -batch

to just print the system directory name.  However, nothing is printed.

If I remove the option -batch, then I get

    GCL (GNU Common Lisp)  2.6.7 CLtL1    Aug 27 2006 19:51:04
    Source License: LGPL(gcl,gmp), GPL(unexec,bfd)
    Binary License:  GPL due to GPL'ed components: (READLINE BFD UNEXEC)
    Modifications of this banner must retain notice of a compatible
    license
    Dedicated to the memory of W. Schelter

    Use (help) to get some basic information on how to use GCL.

    >
    "/usr/local/lib/gcl-2.6.7/unixport/"


Only the information on the last line is of interest to me -- actually
to configure scripts trying to get some information about GCL
installation.  Can we convince GCL to have -batch deliver whatever is
printed by the lisp expression?

-- Gaby




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Gabriel Dos Reis <gdr@cs.tamu.edu> writes:

| Hi,
| 
|   I have made some progress on getting Axiom compile on Windows (mingw/msys).

[...]

| start address -T 1062f000 Finished loading interop.o
| Loading patches.o
| start address -T 10638000 Finished loading patches.o
|    Using local database ../../../axiom.bi/src/share/algebra/compress.daase..   Re-reading compress.daase   Using local database ../../../axiom.bi/src/share/algebra/interp.daase..   Re-reading interp.daase
| 
| Error: Caught fatal error [memory may be damaged]
| Fast links are on: do (si::use-fast-links nil) for debugging
| Error signalled by RETURN.
| Broken at APPLY.  Type :H for Help.
| 
| ============================

Bill --

  Axiom build-improvements branch revision 395 contains all the
necessary bits to build Axiom on windows and reproduce the above.
Please could you give it a try?

Thanks,

-- Gaby




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Hi Waldek, 

I have spent some thoughts in how Axiom can interface external (shared) 
libraries. I have tried this one for a few functions of the Gnu Scientific 
Library (GSL) - the work is unfiniished, due to that there are numerous 
functions.
However, this approach is easily adoptably for any external C library.
Furthermore, some of the NAG related domains will be still requried, 
especially that one, converting Axiom functions to Fortran (actually a 
conversion to C are necessary). 

What do you think which approach is more powerful, reliable, ...? 

Gernot 

Waldek Hebisch writes: 

> I recently tried removing NAG related domains. After removing about 100
> domains Axiom build fine with no change in test results.  This means that
> large part of Axiom remains completly untested. 
> 
> Looking at Nag tarball I see that it contins a 'nagd' subdirectory
> which at first glance looks like sources of Nag demon.  If we have
> right to re-distibute it we could try to get it working and
> substitute some other numeriacal library in place of the Nag library.
> ATM I do not know how much work is needed to get 'nagd' and 'naglink'
> running but hopefully this may be easy. 
> 
> -- 
>                               Waldek Hebisch
> hebisch@math.uni.wroc.pl  
> 
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Hello, 

I'm playing with normalize (expr, x) and normalize (expr, y).

normalize (expr, x) limits the number of kernel with x.
So exp (2*x) become exp (x)^2. The other variables remain.
Is it right ?

But axiom don't recognize 0 in coefficients in y. Is it right ?
I test normalize ((exp(2*x)+exp(x))*exp(2*y)/exp(y)-exp(x)*exp(y), x).
I get ((e^x)^2 + e^x (e^2y-(e^y)^2)) / e^y.

But if we want to simplify/resolve this polynomial in e^x it's necessary to
recognize it's simplified coefficients. Am I right ?

So what is the interest of normalize (expr, x) in front of normalize (expr) ?
If then axiom must normalize theses coefficients. I don't understand.

Have a nice week.

Francois



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Personally I wouldn't use nagd - it dates from a time before dynamic
linking was a practical approach and when a typical user's machine was
not fast enough for solving real-life numerical problems.  When we
reelased Axiom under Windows it used dynamic linking to load NAG
routines into the running image, and we planned to use the same approach
on Unix for Axiom 3 (which never got beyond the design stage).

Mike.

On Sat, Dec 09, 2006 at 02:05:25AM +0100, Waldek Hebisch wrote:
> I recently tried removing NAG related domains. After removing about 100
> domains Axiom build fine with no change in test results.  This means that
> large part of Axiom remains completly untested.
> 
> Looking at Nag tarball I see that it contins a 'nagd' subdirectory
> which at first glance looks like sources of Nag demon.  If we have
> right to re-distibute it we could try to get it working and
> substitute some other numeriacal library in place of the Nag library.
> ATM I do not know how much work is needed to get 'nagd' and 'naglink'
> running but hopefully this may be easy.
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On December 10, 2006 11:41 PM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote:
> ... 
>   Axiom build-improvements branch revision 395 contains all the
> necessary bits to build Axiom on windows and reproduce the above.
> Please could you give it a try?
> 

I pulled the latest patches to build-improvements and tried an
out-of-source build in MSYS but

  mkdir axiom.test
  cd axiom.test
  ../build-improvements/configure

hangs my Windows XP system during a confidence test. I am not able
even to kill the process. After a power-off re-boot the file
axiom.test/config.log contains:

$ tail config.log
|   return 0;
| }
configure:4308: result: no
configure:4324: checking whether getgid is declared
configure:4349: gcc -c -g -O2  conftest.c >&5
conftest.c: In function `main':
conftest.c:31: error: `getgid' undeclared (first use in this function)
conftest.c:31: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
conftest.c:31: error: for each function it appears in.)

-------------

This same MSYS environment builds axiom--windows--1 and gcl-2.6.8pre
with no problems.

Can you give me some more specifics about how you are testing
this on windows?

Regards,
Bill Page





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On Mon, 11 Dec 2006, Bill Page wrote:

| On December 10, 2006 11:41 PM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote:
| > ...
| >   Axiom build-improvements branch revision 395 contains all the
| > necessary bits to build Axiom on windows and reproduce the above.
| > Please could you give it a try?
| >
|
| I pulled the latest patches to build-improvements and tried an
| out-of-source build in MSYS but
|
|   mkdir axiom.test
|   cd axiom.test
|   ../build-improvements/configure
|
| hangs my Windows XP system during a confidence test. I am not able
| even to kill the process.

That is very odd.

| After a power-off re-boot the file axiom.test/config.log contains:
|
| $ tail config.log
| |   return 0;
| | }
| configure:4308: result: no
| configure:4324: checking whether getgid is declared
| configure:4349: gcc -c -g -O2  conftest.c >&5
| conftest.c: In function `main':
| conftest.c:31: error: `getgid' undeclared (first use in this function)
| conftest.c:31: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
| conftest.c:31: error: for each function it appears in.)

That is good.  Normally, that should enable Autoconf to

   #define HAVE_DECL_GETPID 0

in config/axiom-c-macros.h

Notice that the program is not even compiled so it is no "hang of
running erronous program".

| -------------
|
| This same MSYS environment builds axiom--windows--1 and gcl-2.6.8pre
| with no problems.
|
| Can you give me some more specifics about how you are testing
| this on windows?

I pretty much do the same thing as you.

  (1) get the axiom source
  (2) create a build directory
  (3) invoke configure
  (4) make

Could you send me the (partial) config.log?

-- Gaby



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Le dimanche 10 d=E9cembre 2006 =E0 10:16 -0600, Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9cri=
t :

[...]

> start address -T 10629000 Finished loading xrun.o
> Loading interop.o
> start address -T 1062f000 Finished loading interop.o
> Loading patches.o
> start address -T 10638000 Finished loading patches.o
>    Using local database ../../../axiom.bi/src/share/algebra/compress.da=
ase..   Re-reading compress.daase   Using local database ../../../axiom.b=
i/src/share/algebra/interp.daase..   Re-reading interp.daase
>=20
> Error: Caught fatal error [memory may be damaged]
> Fast links are on: do (si::use-fast-links nil) for debugging
> Error signalled by RETURN.
> Broken at APPLY.  Type :H for Help.

The segfault occurs in cacheKeyedMsg (src/interp/patches.lisp). This is
a path problem, |fetchKeyedMsg| (patches.lisp) calls cacheKeyedMsg with
|$defaultMsgDatabaseName| as argument. This argument is a pathname (path
to target/*/share/msg/s2-us.msgs). GCL can not open this file since it's
a unix path (/some/where) and segfault (I don't know where). With GCL on
Windows you have to use mixed path (c:/some/where) (I know that truename
accept Windows path with two backslash as separator (c:\\some\\where) so
may be other functions too).

I don't know exactly where is the problem but you're rerooting (function
reroot) Axiom when you compile some interpreter's files. Reroot accepts
an argument which has to be the root of Axiom. You give him (to reroot)
a unix path and that's a problem (consequently $spadroot is wrong).
$spadroot is used everywhere to create path relative to it so may be
this is the problem ($spadroot is used to define |
$defaultMsgDatabaseName|).

Now the last thing, AxiomForWindows uses 'pwd -W' to define the SPAD
variable, pwd -W gives an acceptable path for GCL.

Hope that helps,

Greg

PS : It was not too difficult to find the problem I have some problems
actually with files on Windows (user-homedir-pathname) returns '~/' (not
the path that I want :-) and  I had, last week, some problems with the
'start' function (this is the function that display startup messages and
triggers your bug).

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Variables and their definitions in AxiomForWindows when building Axiom
in the /home/greg/AxiomOnWindows directory

SPAD=3DC:/MinGW/MSYS/home/greg/AxiomOnWindows/mnt/ SYS=3D
SPD=3DC:/MinGW/MSYS/home/greg/AxiomOnWindows
LSP=3DC:/MinGW/MSYS/home/greg/AxiomOnWindows/lsp
GCLDIR=3DC:/MinGW/MSYS/home/greg/AxiomOnWindows/lsp/gcl-2.6.5w
SRC=3DC:/MinGW/MSYS/home/greg/AxiomOnWindows/src
INT=3DC:/MinGW/MSYS/home/greg/AxiomOnWindows/int
OBJ=3DC:/MinGW/MSYS/home/greg/AxiomOnWindows/obj
MNT=3DC:/MinGW/MSYS/home/greg/AxiomOnWindows/mnt
ZIPS=3D/home/greg/AxiomOnWindows/zips
TMP=3DC:/MinGW/MSYS/home/greg/AxiomOnWindows/obj/tmp
SPADBIN=3DC:/MinGW/MSYS/home/greg/AxiomOnWindows/mnt//bin
INC=3DC:/MinGW/MSYS/home/greg/AxiomOnWindows/src/include
CCLBASE=3DC:/MinGW/MSYS/home/greg/AxiomOnWindows/obj//ccl/ccllisp
PART=3Dcprogs SUBPART=3Deverything NOISE=3D-o
C:/MinGW/MSYS/home/greg/AxiomOnWindows/obj/tmp/trace
GCLVERSION=3Dgcl-2.6.5w
TANGLE=3DC:/MinGW/MSYS/home/greg/AxiomOnWindows/mnt//bin/lib/notangle


=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D          =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Makefile =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D          =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

SPD=3D$(shell pwd -W)
SYS=3D$(notdir $(AXIOM))
SPAD=3D${SPD}/mnt/${SYS}
LSP=3D${SPD}/lsp
#GCLVERSION=3Dgcl-2.4.1
#GCLVERSION=3Dgcl-2.5
#GCLVERSION=3Dgcl-2.5.2
#GCLVERSION=3Dgcl-2.6.1
#GCLVERSION=3Dgcl-2.6.2
#GCLVERSION=3Dgcl-2.6.2a
#GCLVERSION=3Dgcl-2.6.3
GCLVERSION=3Dgcl-2.6.5w
AWK=3Dgawk
GCLDIR=3D${LSP}/${GCLVERSION}
SRC=3D${SPD}/src
INT=3D${SPD}/int
OBJ=3D${SPD}/obj
MNT=3D${SPD}/mnt
ZIPS=3D${shell pwd}/zips
TMP=3D${OBJ}/tmp
SPADBIN=3D${MNT}/${SYS}/bin
INC=3D${SPD}/src/include
CCLBASE=3D${OBJ}/${SYS}/ccl/ccllisp
INSTALL=3D/usr/local/axiom
COMMAND=3D${INSTALL}/mnt/${SYS}/bin/axiom
TANGLE=3D${SPADBIN}/lib/notangle

NOISE=3D"-o ${TMP}/trace"

PART=3D cprogs
SUBPART=3D everything


ENV=3D SPAD=3D${SPAD} SYS=3D${SYS} SPD=3D${SPD} LSP=3D${LSP} GCLDIR=3D${G=
CLDIR} \
     SRC=3D${SRC} INT=3D${INT} OBJ=3D${OBJ} MNT=3D${MNT} ZIPS=3D${ZIPS} T=
MP=3D${TMP}
\
     SPADBIN=3D${SPADBIN} INC=3D${INC} CCLBASE=3D${CCLBASE} PART=3D${PART=
} \
     SUBPART=3D${SUBPART} NOISE=3D${NOISE} GCLVERSION=3D${GCLVERSION} \
     TANGLE=3D${TANGLE}=20

all: noweb litcmds
@ echo 1 making a ${SYS} system, PART=3D${PART} SUBPART=3D${SUBPART}
@ echo 2 Environment ${ENV}
@ ${TANGLE} -t8 -RMakefile.${SYS} Makefile.pamphlet >Makefile.${SYS}
@ ${ENV} $(MAKE) -f Makefile.${SYS}=20
@echo 3 finished system build on `date` | tee >lastBuildDate

start: noweb litcmds

book:
@ echo 79 building the book as ${MNT}/${SYS}/doc/book.dvi=20
@ mkdir -p ${TMP}
@ mkdir -p ${MNT}/${SYS}/doc
@ cp ${SRC}/doc/book.pamphlet ${MNT}/${SYS}/doc
@ cp -pr ${SRC}/doc/ps ${MNT}/${SYS}/doc
@ (cd ${MNT}/${SYS}/doc ; \
          if [ .${NOISE} =3D . ] ; then \
    ( latex book.pamphlet --interaction nonstopmode ; \
      latex book.pamphlet --interaction nonstopmode ) ; \
   else \
    ( latex book.pamphlet --interaction nonstopmode >${TMP}/trace ; \
      latex book.pamphlet --interaction nonstopmode >${TMP}/trace ) ; \
  fi ; \
  rm book.pamphlet ; \
  rm book.toc ; \
  rm book.log ; \
  rm book.aux )
@ echo 80 The book is at ${MNT}/${SYS}/doc/book.dvi=20

noweb:
@echo 13 making noweb
@mkdir -p ${OBJ}/noweb
@mkdir -p ${TMP}
@mkdir -p ${MNT}/${SYS}/bin/lib
@( cd ${OBJ}/noweb ; \
tar -zxf ${ZIPS}/noweb-2.10a.tgz ; \
cd ${OBJ}/noweb/src/c ; \
patch <${ZIPS}/noweb.modules.c.patch ; \
cd ${OBJ}/noweb/src ; \
./awkname ${AWK} ; \
patch <${ZIPS}/noweb.src.Makefile.patch ; \
${ENV} ${MAKE} BIN=3D${MNT}/${SYS}/bin/lib LIB=3D${MNT}/${SYS}/bin/lib \
                MAN=3D${MNT}/${SYS}/bin/man \
                TEXINPUTS=3D${MNT}/${SYS}/bin/tex all install
>${TMP}/trace )
@echo The file marks the fact that noweb has been made > noweb

nowebclean:
@echo 14 cleaning ${OBJ}/noweb
@rm -rf ${OBJ}/noweb
@rm -f noweb

litcmds:
@echo 0 ${ENV}
@echo 10 copying ${SRC}/scripts to ${MNT}/${SYS}/bin
@cp -pr ${SRC}/scripts/* ${MNT}/${SYS}/bin

install:
@echo 78 installing Axiom in ${INSTALL}
@mkdir -p ${INSTALL}
@cp -pr ${MNT} ${INSTALL}
@echo AXIOM=3D${INSTALL}/mnt/${SYS} >${COMMAND}
@cat ${SRC}/etc/axiom >>${COMMAND}
@chmod +x ${COMMAND}
@echo 79 Axiom installation finished.
@echo
@echo Please add $(shell dirname ${COMMAND}) to your PATH variable
@echo Start Axiom with the command $(shell basename ${COMMAND})
@echo=20

document: noweb litcmds
@ echo 4 making a ${SYS} system, PART=3D${PART} SUBPART=3D${SUBPART}
@ echo 5 Environment ${ENV}
@ ${TANGLE} -t8 -RMakefile.${SYS} Makefile.pamphlet >Makefile.${SYS}
@ ${ENV} $(MAKE) -f Makefile.${SYS} document
@echo 6 finished system build on `date` | tee >lastBuildDate

clean: noweb litcmds
@ echo 7 making a ${SYS} system, PART=3D${PART} SUBPART=3D${SUBPART}
@ echo 8 Environment ${ENV}
@ ${TANGLE} -t8 -RMakefile.${SYS} Makefile.pamphlet >Makefile.${SYS}
@ ${ENV} $(MAKE) -f Makefile.${SYS} clean
@ rm -f noweb=20
@ rm -f *~
@echo 9 finished system build on `date` | tee >lastBuildDate





$spadroot is set to a unix path (/some/where)=20

> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D
>=20
>=20
> To get to that point I have to disable calls to apply the patch (at
> the end of this message) to src/interp/patches.lisp.pamphlet.
>=20
> Suggestions?
>=20
> -- Gaby
>=20
>=20
> *** usbdisk_2/cas/axiom/bi/src/interp/patches.lisp.pamphlet	2006-11-30 =
15:51:12.000000000 -0600
> --- usbdisk/axiom.bi/src/interp/patches.lisp.pamphlet	2006-12-10 08:59:=
50.000000000 -0600
> *************** previous definition.
> *** 342,352 ****
>       (setq returncode 0))
>      (unless (zerop returncode) (bye returncode)))))
>  =20
> ! #+:dos
>   (setq vmlisp::$current-directory (truename "."))
>   #+:dos
>   (setq vmlisp::$spadroot "/spad/mnt/dos")
> ! #+:dos
>   (defun user-homedir-pathname ()
>    (truename "."))
>  =20
> --- 342,352 ----
>       (setq returncode 0))
>      (unless (zerop returncode) (bye returncode)))))
>  =20
> ! #+(or :dos :win32)
>   (setq vmlisp::$current-directory (truename "."))
>   #+:dos
>   (setq vmlisp::$spadroot "/spad/mnt/dos")
> ! #+(or :dos :win32)
>   (defun user-homedir-pathname ()
>    (truename "."))
>  =20
> *************** previous definition.
> *** 379,385 ****
>  =20
>   (defun |makeList| (size el) (make-list size :initial-element el) )
>  =20
> ! #+:akcl
>   (defun print-xdr-stream (x y z) (format y "XDR:~A" (xdr-stream-name x=
)))
>   #+:akcl
>   (defstruct (xdr-stream
> --- 379,385 ----
>  =20
>   (defun |makeList| (size el) (make-list size :initial-element el) )
>  =20
> ! #+:ackl
>   (defun print-xdr-stream (x y z) (format y "XDR:~A" (xdr-stream-name x=
)))
>   #+:akcl
>   (defstruct (xdr-stream
> *************** previous definition.
> *** 387,411 ****
>              "A structure to hold XDR streams. The stream is printed ou=
t."
>              (handle ) ;; this is what is used for xdr-open xdr-read xd=
r-write
>              (name ))  ;; this is used for printing
> ! #+:akcl
>   (defun |xdrOpen| (str dir) (make-xdr-stream :handle (system:xdr-open =
str) :name str))
>   #+:CCL
>   (defun |xdrOpen| (str dir) (xdr-open str dir) )
> ! #+:dos
>   (defun |xdrOpen| (str dir) (format t "xdrOpen called"))
>  =20
> ! #+:akcl
>   (defun |xdrRead| (xstr r) (system:xdr-read (xdr-stream-handle xstr) r=
) )
>   #+:CCL
>   (defun |xdrRead| (xstr r) (xdr-read xstr r) )
> ! #+:dos
>   (defun |xdrRead| (str) (format t "xdrRead called"))
>  =20
> ! #+:akcl
>   (defun |xdrWrite| (xstr d) (system:xdr-write (xdr-stream-handle xstr)=
 d) )
>   #+:CCL
>   (defun |xdrWrite| (xstr d) (xdr-write xstr d) )
> ! #+:dos
>   (defun |xdrWrite| (str) (format t "xdrWrite called"))
>  =20
>   ;; here is a test for XDR
> --- 387,411 ----
>              "A structure to hold XDR streams. The stream is printed ou=
t."
>              (handle ) ;; this is what is used for xdr-open xdr-read xd=
r-write
>              (name ))  ;; this is used for printing
> ! #+(and :akcl (not (or :dos :win32)))
>   (defun |xdrOpen| (str dir) (make-xdr-stream :handle (system:xdr-open =
str) :name str))
>   #+:CCL
>   (defun |xdrOpen| (str dir) (xdr-open str dir) )
> ! #+(or :dos :win32)
>   (defun |xdrOpen| (str dir) (format t "xdrOpen called"))
>  =20
> ! #+(and :akcl (not (or :dos :win32)))
>   (defun |xdrRead| (xstr r) (system:xdr-read (xdr-stream-handle xstr) r=
) )
>   #+:CCL
>   (defun |xdrRead| (xstr r) (xdr-read xstr r) )
> ! #+(or :dos :win32)
>   (defun |xdrRead| (str) (format t "xdrRead called"))
>  =20
> ! #+(and :akcl (not (or :dos :win32)))
>   (defun |xdrWrite| (xstr d) (system:xdr-write (xdr-stream-handle xstr)=
 d) )
>   #+:CCL
>   (defun |xdrWrite| (xstr d) (xdr-write xstr d) )
> ! #+(or :dos :win32)
>   (defun |xdrWrite| (str) (format t "xdrWrite called"))
>  =20
>   ;; here is a test for XDR
>=20
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> 
> Camm --
> 
>   I'm wondering what the behaviour of "gcl -batch" is.  The info page
> says:
> 
>    `-batch'
>         Do not enter the command print loop.  Useful if the other command
>         line arguments do something.  Do not print the License and
>         acknowledgement information.  Note if your program does print any
>         License information, it must print the GCL header information
>         also.
> 
> 

AFAICS "not enter the command print loop" really means "do not enter
read-eval-print loop", so in particular nothing is read from standard
input.  For me the following works:

gcl -batch -eval '(format t "~a~&" si::*system-directory*)'

-- 
                              Waldek Hebisch
hebisch@math.uni.wroc.pl 



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On Mon, 11 Dec 2006, Waldek Hebisch wrote:

| >
| > Camm --
| >
| >   I'm wondering what the behaviour of "gcl -batch" is.  The info page
| > says:
| >
| >    `-batch'
| >         Do not enter the command print loop.  Useful if the other command
| >         line arguments do something.  Do not print the License and
| >         acknowledgement information.  Note if your program does print any
| >         License information, it must print the GCL header information
| >         also.
| >
| >
|
| AFAICS "not enter the command print loop" really means "do not enter
| read-eval-print loop", so in particular nothing is read from standard
| input.  For me the following works:
|
| gcl -batch -eval '(format t "~a~&" si::*system-directory*)'

Interesting.  I tried that combination too; it did not work -- which
perplexed me.

-- Gaby



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> a@nongnu.org] On Behalf Of Gabriel Dos Reis
> 
> On Mon, 11 Dec 2006, Waldek Hebisch wrote:
> ...
> | For me the following works:
> |
> | gcl -batch -eval '(format t "~a~&" si::*system-directory*)'
> 
> Interesting.  I tried that combination too; it did not work --
> which perplexed me.
> 

The above commmand also works for me on axiom-developer.org.
No banner. Only the output you want.

Regards,
Bill Page.





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Vanuxem Gregory <g.vanuxem@wanadoo.fr> writes:

| Le dimanche 10 d=E9cembre 2006 =E0 10:16 -0600, Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9cri=
t :
|=20
| [...]
|=20
| > start address -T 10629000 Finished loading xrun.o
| > Loading interop.o
| > start address -T 1062f000 Finished loading interop.o
| > Loading patches.o
| > start address -T 10638000 Finished loading patches.o
| >    Using local database ../../../axiom.bi/src/share/algebra/compress.da=
ase..   Re-reading compress.daase   Using local database ../../../axiom.bi/=
src/share/algebra/interp.daase..   Re-reading interp.daase
| >=20
| > Error: Caught fatal error [memory may be damaged]
| > Fast links are on: do (si::use-fast-links nil) for debugging
| > Error signalled by RETURN.
| > Broken at APPLY.  Type :H for Help.
|=20
| The segfault occurs in cacheKeyedMsg (src/interp/patches.lisp). This is
| a path problem, |fetchKeyedMsg| (patches.lisp) calls cacheKeyedMsg with
| |$defaultMsgDatabaseName| as argument. This argument is a pathname (path
| to target/*/share/msg/s2-us.msgs). GCL can not open this file since it's
| a unix path (/some/where) and segfault (I don't know where).=20

Thanks for your insight into this puzzle.  I would have expected a
notification on failure, instead of proceeding ahead and craching.

Before rebuilding the database, the "old" DAASE is set to point to=20
the databases coming with the source code
axiom.bi/src/share/algebra/*.daase.=20

This is even mysterous because other database files in the same
directory (compress.daase) seem to have been opened successfully.

| With GCL on
| Windows you have to use mixed path (c:/some/where)

I noticed that GCL itself will figure out part of the path (the "C:/"
part), sometimes not.  The inconsistency puzzled me at the time but I
did not relate it to a mysterous "segmentation fault".  This is very
tricky.  Because, we're compiling under MinWG/MSYS and the path would
come out as /some/path, not C:/some/path.

| (I know that truename
| accept Windows path with two backslash as separator (c:\\some\\where) so
| may be other functions too).
|=20
| I don't know exactly where is the problem but you're rerooting (function
| reroot) Axiom when you compile some interpreter's files. Reroot accepts
| an argument which has to be the root of Axiom.

yes, that invariant is met too.

| You give him (to reroot)
| a unix path and that's a problem (consequently $spadroot is wrong).

So, in essence, are you saying that we must convert the path to
something usable by GCL?  Isn't this something that GCL should take
care of?

Thanks!

-- Gaby



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> On Mon, 11 Dec 2006, Waldek Hebisch wrote:
> 
> | >
> | > Camm --
> | >
> | >   I'm wondering what the behaviour of "gcl -batch" is.  The info page
> | > says:
> | >
> | >    `-batch'
> | >         Do not enter the command print loop.  Useful if the other command
> | >         line arguments do something.  Do not print the License and
> | >         acknowledgement information.  Note if your program does print any
> | >         License information, it must print the GCL header information
> | >         also.
> | >
> | >
> |
> | AFAICS "not enter the command print loop" really means "do not enter
> | read-eval-print loop", so in particular nothing is read from standard
> | input.  For me the following works:
> |
> | gcl -batch -eval '(format t "~a~&" si::*system-directory*)'
> 
> Interesting.  I tried that combination too; it did not work -- which
> perplexed me.
> 

Maybe I snipped too much. You wrote:

echo '(format nil "~a" si::*system-directory*)' | gcl -batch
              ^^^

Just usning '-eval' gives:

gcl -batch -eval '(format nil "~a" si::*system-directory*)'

which prints nothing. IIUC without '-batch' you print return _value_ of
format function, but '-batch' supresess printing of return value, so
you get nothing.

-- 
                              Waldek Hebisch
hebisch@math.uni.wroc.pl 



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On Mon, 11 Dec 2006, Bill Page wrote:

| > a@nongnu.org] On Behalf Of Gabriel Dos Reis
| >
| > On Mon, 11 Dec 2006, Waldek Hebisch wrote:
| > ...
| > | For me the following works:
| > |
| > | gcl -batch -eval '(format t "~a~&" si::*system-directory*)'
| >
| > Interesting.  I tried that combination too; it did not work --
| > which perplexed me.
| >
|
| The above commmand also works for me on axiom-developer.org.
| No banner. Only the output you want.

OK; something must not be OK with my setting.  I'll give it one more
try later.

-- Gaby



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On Mon, 11 Dec 2006, Waldek Hebisch wrote:

| > On Mon, 11 Dec 2006, Waldek Hebisch wrote:
| >
| > | >
| > | > Camm --
| > | >
| > | >   I'm wondering what the behaviour of "gcl -batch" is.  The info page
| > | > says:
| > | >
| > | >    `-batch'
| > | >         Do not enter the command print loop.  Useful if the other command
| > | >         line arguments do something.  Do not print the License and
| > | >         acknowledgement information.  Note if your program does print any
| > | >         License information, it must print the GCL header information
| > | >         also.
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > | AFAICS "not enter the command print loop" really means "do not enter
| > | read-eval-print loop", so in particular nothing is read from standard
| > | input.  For me the following works:
| > |
| > | gcl -batch -eval '(format t "~a~&" si::*system-directory*)'
| >
| > Interesting.  I tried that combination too; it did not work -- which
| > perplexed me.
| >
|
| Maybe I snipped too much. You wrote:
|
| echo '(format nil "~a" si::*system-directory*)' | gcl -batch
|               ^^^
| Just usning '-eval' gives:
|
| gcl -batch -eval '(format nil "~a" si::*system-directory*)'
|
| which prints nothing.


Yes, I did not include all the variations I tried :-/

| IIUC without '-batch' you print return _value_ of
| format function, but '-batch' supresess printing of return value, so
| you get nothing.

OK; thanks!

-- Gaby



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Le lundi 11 d=E9cembre 2006 =E0 13:10 -0600, Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit :

[...]

> So, in essence, are you saying that we must convert the path to
> something usable by GCL?=20

Yes.

>  Isn't this something that GCL should take
> care of?

Don't know. What I'm sure is that I don't want to use a MSYS shell to
work with GCL (I hate this shell :-).

Greg




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On December 11, 2006 3:02 PM Vanuxem Gregory wrote:

> ...
> What I'm sure is that I don't want to use a MSYS shell to
> work with GCL (I hate this shell :-).
> 

What shell on Windows do you use to run ./configure?

Regards,
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> I have spent some thoughts in how Axiom can interface external (shared) 
> libraries. I have tried this one for a few functions of the Gnu Scientific 
> Library (GSL) - the work is unfiniished, due to that there are numerous 
> functions.
> However, this approach is easily adoptably for any external C library.
> Furthermore, some of the NAG related domains will be still requried, 
> especially that one, converting Axiom functions to Fortran (actually a 
> conversion to C are necessary). 
> 
> What do you think which approach is more powerful, reliable, ...? 

Linking functons directly into Lisp image has many advantages.  But
I feel that with current GCL FFI it is unworkable as a general method.
>From my point of view killer issue is memory management.  As Camm
Maguire wrote external routines can not use 'malloc' or one has to
allocate all arguments as 'unmovable'.  Not using 'malloc' can not
work as a general method.  To efficiently allocatate 'unmovable' arguments
require a lot of effort.  A simple (but inefficient) way is just copy
arguments to freshly allocated memory.

So in short term I feel that socket interface may be competitive:  for
larger arguments performance should be comparable with copying interface,
and we avoid most memory management problems.

The old Axiom scheme consisting of AXIOMsys comunicating with naglink
which in turn comunicates with Nag demon is probably too complicated.
One possiblility that I consider is linking external routines into
naglink.

However, in short time ressurecting Nag demon may be usefull.  Algebra
and interpreter contains together about 40 000 lines of code to support
Nag link.  Much of this code is really above the link level and should
be usable for any chosen way of comunicating with Fortran routines.
And yes -- we certainly want support comunication with other langages
like C.

-- 
                              Waldek Hebisch
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Le lundi 11 d=E9cembre 2006 =E0 15:24 -0500, Bill Page a =E9crit :=20
> On December 11, 2006 3:02 PM Vanuxem Gregory wrote:
>=20
> > ...
> > What I'm sure is that I don't want to use a MSYS shell to
> > work with GCL (I hate this shell :-).
> >=20
>=20
> What shell on Windows do you use to run ./configure?

Bash 2.04.0(1) in a rxvt terminal (v2.7.2). When I say a shell I speak
of the two. I have a lot of problems with it, for example if I resize
the main window I can no longer type something. The key are incorrectly
mapped (can not use the arrows, end, home etc..).

Greg




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Le lundi 11 d=E9cembre 2006 =E0 19:42 +0100, Vanuxem Gregory a =E9crit :

[...]

> I don't know exactly where is the problem but you're rerooting (functio=
n
> reroot) Axiom when you compile some interpreter's files. Reroot accepts
> an argument which has to be the root of Axiom. You give him (to reroot)
> a unix path and that's a problem (consequently $spadroot is wrong).
> $spadroot is used everywhere to create path relative to it so may be
> this is the problem ($spadroot is used to define |
> $defaultMsgDatabaseName|).

After further investigation, $spadroot is more likely set, when building
depsys, via makedep.lisp.

Greg




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On Mon, 11 Dec 2006, Vanuxem Gregory wrote:

| >  Isn't this something that GCL should take
| > care of?
|
| Don't know. What I'm sure is that I don't want to use a MSYS shell to
| work with GCL (I hate this shell :-).

Cygwin does not build GCL at the moment either.

(And I have no time to become a Windows programmer -- MinGW/MSYS is
all I can do).

-- Gaby



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On Mon, 11 Dec 2006, Vanuxem Gregory wrote:

| Le lundi 11 d=E9cembre 2006 =E0 19:42 +0100, Vanuxem Gregory a =E9crit =
:
|
| [...]
|
| > I don't know exactly where is the problem but you're rerooting (funct=
ion
| > reroot) Axiom when you compile some interpreter's files. Reroot accep=
ts
| > an argument which has to be the root of Axiom. You give him (to reroo=
t)
| > a unix path and that's a problem (consequently $spadroot is wrong).
| > $spadroot is used everywhere to create path relative to it so may be
| > this is the problem ($spadroot is used to define |
| > $defaultMsgDatabaseName|).
|
| After further investigation, $spadroot is more likely set, when buildin=
g
| depsys, via makedep.lisp.

Hmm, depsys builds fine and translates/compiles files with no problem.

-- Gaby



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Waldek Hebisch <hebisch@math.uni.wroc.pl> writes:

[...]

| And yes -- we certainly want support comunication with other langages
| like C.

And C++, yes.  One of my project here is to build a translation from
Axiom/ASPAD to C++.  But, that is not going to be finished for Xmas
:-)

-- Gaby



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Le lundi 11 d=E9cembre 2006 =E0 15:04 -0600, Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit :
> On Mon, 11 Dec 2006, Vanuxem Gregory wrote:
>=20
> | Le lundi 11 d=E9cembre 2006 =E0 19:42 +0100, Vanuxem Gregory a =E9cri=
t :
> |
> | [...]
> |
> | > I don't know exactly where is the problem but you're rerooting (fun=
ction
> | > reroot) Axiom when you compile some interpreter's files. Reroot acc=
epts
> | > an argument which has to be the root of Axiom. You give him (to rer=
oot)
> | > a unix path and that's a problem (consequently $spadroot is wrong).
> | > $spadroot is used everywhere to create path relative to it so may b=
e
> | > this is the problem ($spadroot is used to define |
> | > $defaultMsgDatabaseName|).
> |
> | After further investigation, $spadroot is more likely set, when build=
ing
> | depsys, via makedep.lisp.
>=20
> Hmm, depsys builds fine and translates/compiles files with no problem.

Yes, I was wrong. What I said is applicable to depsys (via build-depsys)
only. Building interpsys (via build-interpsys) is similar, the Lisp
'spad' variable holds the root of Axiom. build-depsys and
build-interpsys call initroot (with spad as argument) which calls reroot
(and set $spadroot). So I hardcoded the SPAD variable in AX_FLAGS
(src/Makfile and src/interp/Makefile) to a usable path for GCL
(C:/staging/build/directory) for testing purpose and tried to rebuild
Axiom. The build process reached "layer 1" of the algebra and I stopped
there.

I wonder how it'll be possible to have a "correct" SPAD variable for
Windows with the autotools or any other tools. For Cygwin there is
cygpath to do that.


Greg




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On December 11, 2006 11:40 AM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 11 Dec 2006, Bill Page wrote:
> 
> | On December 10, 2006 11:41 PM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote:
> | > ...
> | > Axiom build-improvements branch revision 395 contains all the
> | > necessary bits to build Axiom on windows and reproduce the
> | > above. Please could you give it a try?
> | >
> |
> | I pulled the latest patches to build-improvements and tried an
> | out-of-source build in MSYS but
> |
> |   mkdir axiom.test
> |   cd axiom.test
> |   ../build-improvements/configure
> |
> | hangs my Windows XP system during a confidence test. I am not
> | able even to kill the process.
> 
> That is very odd.
>

Yes, it was VERY ODD indeed, but it turned out not to be a problem
with MSYS/MinGW or build-improvements at all. See solution below.
 
> |
> | This same MSYS environment builds axiom--windows--1 and
> | gcl-2.6.8pre with no problems.
> |

After a little more testing, I discovered that this problem was
not limited to build-improvements. Contrary to what I said above
the build of axiom--windows--1 and gcl also failed.

> | Can you give me some more specifics about how you are testing
> | this on windows?
> 
> I pretty much do the same thing as you.
> 
>   (1) get the axiom source
>   (2) create a build directory
>   (3) invoke configure
>   (4) make
> 
> Could you send me the (partial) config.log?
> 

After spending most of the day on this problem, I finally
determined that at random places during the configure (or in
fact any long build operation involving MinGW) some process
named 'LVPrcSrv.exe' was suddenly hogging 99% of all available
CPU time. Google told me that this program was part of the
Logitech QuikCam video effects package. In fact I had installed
the new camera and software about a couple of months ago. And
another search turned up reports of exactly this type of problem
reported by cygwin users with a work-round of stopping the video
effects service. (I have not yet been able to find a fix for
this from Logitech.)

The final result.

As you asked, I was able to run:

  mkdir axiom.test
  cd axiom.test
  ../build-improvements/configure
  make

up to this point:

...
compiling SETCAT-.lsp to SETCAT-.o
compiling SINT.lsp to SINT.o
compiling STAGG.lsp to STAGG.o
compiling STAGG-.lsp to STAGG-.o
compiling SYMBOL.lsp to SYMBOL.o
compiling TSETCAT.lsp to TSETCAT.o
compiling TSETCAT-.lsp to TSETCAT-.o
compiling UFD.lsp to UFD.o
compiling UFD-.lsp to UFD-.o
compiling ULSCAT.lsp to ULSCAT.o
compiling UPOLYC.lsp to UPOLYC.o
compiling UPOLYC-.lsp to UPOLYC-.o
compiling URAGG.lsp to URAGG.o
compiling URAGG-.lsp to URAGG-.o
compiling VECTOR.lsp to VECTOR.o
=====================================
=== algebra bootstrap complete ======
=====================================
compiling AHYP.spad to AHYP.NRLIB
/bin/sh: ./../..//build/i686-pc-mingw32/bin/interpsys: No such file or
directory
make[2]: *** [../..//int/algebra/AHYP.NRLIB/code.o] Error 127
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/Administrator/axiom/src/algebra'
make[1]: *** [all-algebra] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/Administrator/axiom/src'
make: *** [all-src] Error 2

-------------

This looks very promising to me.

I recall a problem similar to this in the axiom--windows--1
build. Did you catch the patch from axiom--windows--1 in boot
where you need to ignore CR in windows line endings?

I will look at this further tomorrow.

Regards,
Bill Page.





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On Mon, 11 Dec 2006, Bill Page wrote:

[...]

| After spending most of the day on this problem, I finally
| determined that at random places during the configure (or in
| fact any long build operation involving MinGW) some process
| named 'LVPrcSrv.exe' was suddenly hogging 99% of all available
| CPU time. Google told me that this program was part of the
| Logitech QuikCam video effects package. In fact I had installed
| the new camera and software about a couple of months ago. And
| another search turned up reports of exactly this type of problem
| reported by cygwin users with a work-round of stopping the video
| effects service. (I have not yet been able to find a fix for
| this from Logitech.)

Woaw!  I was mant light-years away of guessing that.

| The final result.
|
| As you asked, I was able to run:
|
|   mkdir axiom.test
|   cd axiom.test
|   ../build-improvements/configure
|   make
|
| up to this point:
|
| ...
| compiling SETCAT-.lsp to SETCAT-.o
| compiling SINT.lsp to SINT.o
| compiling STAGG.lsp to STAGG.o
| compiling STAGG-.lsp to STAGG-.o
| compiling SYMBOL.lsp to SYMBOL.o
| compiling TSETCAT.lsp to TSETCAT.o
| compiling TSETCAT-.lsp to TSETCAT-.o
| compiling UFD.lsp to UFD.o
| compiling UFD-.lsp to UFD-.o
| compiling ULSCAT.lsp to ULSCAT.o
| compiling UPOLYC.lsp to UPOLYC.o
| compiling UPOLYC-.lsp to UPOLYC-.o
| compiling URAGG.lsp to URAGG.o
| compiling URAGG-.lsp to URAGG-.o
| compiling VECTOR.lsp to VECTOR.o
| =====================================
| === algebra bootstrap complete ======
| =====================================
| compiling AHYP.spad to AHYP.NRLIB
| /bin/sh: ./../..//build/i686-pc-mingw32/bin/interpsys: No such file or
| directory

Ah, yes; that means the segfault occured earlier resulting in
interpsys not being created.

[...]

| This looks very promising to me.

Thanks.

| I recall a problem similar to this in the axiom--windows--1
| build. Did you catch the patch from axiom--windows--1 in boot
| where you need to ignore CR in windows line endings?

No, unfortunately not.  I thought of a CR problem corruptign the
databases; but I also remember Tim saying that those files are not
text files so I just assumed they are marked binary and kept as such.

I'm trying to build Axiom with AXIOM and SPAD set to relative
paths and see what happens (testing Vanuxem's findings).

Thanks,

-- Gaby



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Hi,

  Among the Boot files in src/interp/ currently translated by bootsys,
alql.boot is the only one that uses member.  I've temporarily disabled
"member" as a special new Boot function, so that its translation matches
that of old Boot (depsys).

Built and tested on an x86_64-suse-linux

-- Gaby

src/boot/

2006-12-11  Gabriel Dos Reis  <gdr@cs.tamu.edu>

	* typrops.boot.pamphlet: Temporarily isable "member" as special
	new Boot function.

src/interp/

2006-12-11  Gabriel Dos Reis  <gdr@cs.tamu.edu>

	* alql.boot.pamphlet (getBrowseDatabase): Directly call member.

*** src/boot/Makefile.pamphlet	(revision 15343)
--- src/boot/Makefile.pamphlet	(local)
*************** Translates the file filename, and writes
*** 1033,1038 ****
--- 1033,1064 ----
  names  used, and  where used to the file filename.xref
  \end{verbatim}
  
+ \subsection{Reserved identifiers}
+ 
+ The following identifiers are reserved by Boot.
+ \begin{verbatim}
+   and    append   apply     atom      car    cdr       cons      copy
+   croak  drop     exit      false     first  function  genvar    IN
+   is     isnt     lastNode  LAST      list   member    mkpf      nconc
+   nil    not      NOT       nreverse  null   or        otherwise PAIRP
+   removeDuplicates          rest      reverse          setDifference
+   setIntersection setPart   setUnion  size   strconc   substitute
+   take   true     PLUS      MINUS     TIMES  POWER     SLASH     LT
+   GT     LE       GE        SHOEEQ    NE     T
+ \end{verbatim}
+ 
+ The following identifiers designate special accessor functions in Boot.
+ \begin{verbatim}
+   setName     setLabel    setLevel   setType    setVar    setLeaf
+   setLeaf     setDef      aGeneral   aMode      aTree     aValue
+   attributes  cacheCount  cacheName  cacheReset cacheType env
+   expr        CAR         mmCondition           mmDC      mmImplementation
+   mmSignature mmTarget    mode       op         opcode    opSig
+   CDR         sig         source     streamCode streamDef streamName
+   target
+ \end{verbatim}
+ 
+ 
  \section{The Makefile}
  
  When all of the native object files are produced we construct a
*** src/boot/typrops.boot.pamphlet	(revision 15343)
--- src/boot/typrops.boot.pamphlet	(local)
*************** for i in [ _
*** 204,210 ****
    ["lastNode",    "LAST"]  , _
    ["LAST",        "last"] , _
    ["list",        "LIST"]  , _
!   ["member",        "MEMBER"]  , _
    ["mkpf",        "MKPF"]  , _
    ["nconc",      "NCONC"]  , _
    ["nil"           ,NIL ]  , _
--- 204,210 ----
    ["lastNode",    "LAST"]  , _
    ["LAST",        "last"] , _
    ["list",        "LIST"]  , _
! --  ["member",        "MEMBER"]  , _
    ["mkpf",        "MKPF"]  , _
    ["nconc",      "NCONC"]  , _
    ["nil"           ,NIL ]  , _
*** src/interp/alql.boot.pamphlet	(revision 15343)
--- src/interp/alql.boot.pamphlet	(local)
***************
*** 50,56 ****
  
  getBrowseDatabase(kind) ==
    $includeUnexposed? : local := true
!   not FUNCALL("member",kind,'("o" "k" "c" "d" "p")) => nil
    grepConstruct('"*",INTERN kind)
  
  stringMatches?(pattern,subject) ==
--- 50,56 ----
  
  getBrowseDatabase(kind) ==
    $includeUnexposed? : local := true
!   not member(kind,'("o" "k" "c" "d" "p")) => nil
    grepConstruct('"*",INTERN kind)
  
  stringMatches?(pattern,subject) ==



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On Mon, 11 Dec 2006, Bill Page wrote:

| > a@nongnu.org] On Behalf Of Gabriel Dos Reis
| >
| > On Mon, 11 Dec 2006, Waldek Hebisch wrote:
| > ...
| > | For me the following works:
| > |
| > | gcl -batch -eval '(format t "~a~&" si::*system-directory*)'
| >
| > Interesting.  I tried that combination too; it did not work --
| > which perplexed me.
| >
|
| The above commmand also works for me on axiom-developer.org.
| No banner. Only the output you want.

I rechecked, and it indeed it works for me too.  I must have done
or tried something very odd before.

Thanks,

-- Gaby



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On Mon, 11 Dec 2006, Bill Page wrote:

| I recall a problem similar to this in the axiom--windows--1
| build. Did you catch the patch from axiom--windows--1 in boot
| where you need to ignore CR in windows line endings?
|
| I will look at this further tomorrow.
|
| Regards,
| Bill Page.

Bill, Greg --

  I believe I solved the mystery:  After the recent reorganization I
made, the variable SPAD did not have a have a value by the time Make
did substitution -- though it has a value set in the _shell_ command
line used to invoke depsys.  Why that isn't an issue under linux is
not clear to me at this moment.

After re-reading Greg's message, I decided to trace build-interpsys
and that is how I spotted that the last argument was empty -- which is
not supposed to be.

Having two ways of saying the same thing (AXIOM and SPAD) is just
confusing and plain wrong.  I changed src/interp/Makefile to use only
AXIOM (and not SPAD).  interpsys was build successfully.
As I'm writing this message, algebra layer 1 is being built.

I also arranged the Makefile to use a relative path for $(AXIOM) during
the build -- that way, I sidestep all issues related to GCL unable to
find files with absolute pathnames not mentioning the harddrive.  At
installation time, I'll set AXIOM to the value returned by "pwd -W",
which is what GCL should be happy with.

I'll report later once the build is complete.
(the windows machine is a very slow machine, so it will take a while).

Many thanks to both of you, and sorry for having wasted your time with
a such a silly issue.  The good news is that we may be able to
build Axiom.build-improvements on windows soon :-)

-- Gaby



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On December 12, 2006 4:52 AM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote:
> ... 
> Many thanks to both of you, and sorry for having wasted your
> time with a such a silly issue.

Not at all. I solved a problem I didn't even know I had. :-)

> The good news is that we may be able to build Axiom.
> build-improvements on windows soon :-)
> 

That's excellent! Let me know how/if I can help. One thing I
plan to do after you commit the recent change for the SPAD
variable is to diff against axiom--windows--1. There were
several patches to Axiom that as far as I know were never
incorporated into the axiom--main--1 branch from which Axiom
silver and build-improvements were cloned, although most of
these might already be obsoleted by build-improvements. The
most critical are probably some unix system dependencies such
as 'rm' and 'mv' commands which should really be implemented
in a more portable lisp manner.

When this is accomplished, I would like to suggest that it may
well be time to consider a new "official" silver release of
Axiom. If we could merge in Waldek's improvements to hyperdoc
and his recent bug fixes, that would make a very nice present
for all of us anxious Axiom users!

Regards,
Bill Page.





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On Tuesday, December 12, 2006 4:52 AM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote:
>=20
> I believe I solved the mystery:  After the recent reorganization
> I made, the variable SPAD did not have a have a value by the time
> Make did substitution -- though it has a value set in the _shell_
> command line used to invoke depsys.  Why that isn't an issue under
> linux is not clear to me at this moment.
>=20
> After re-reading Greg's message, I decided to trace build-interpsys
> and that is how I spotted that the last argument was empty -- which
> is not supposed to be.
>=20
> Having two ways of saying the same thing (AXIOM and SPAD) is just
> confusing and plain wrong.  I changed src/interp/Makefile to use
> only AXIOM (and not SPAD).  interpsys was build successfully.
> As I'm writing this message, algebra layer 1 is being built.
>

Have you committed the required changes to build-improvements yet?
I pulled Revision: #401 from SourceForge at about 11:00 PM EST
yesterday (Dec 12). But I still get the same failure at point of
trying to create interpsys. Here's a partial log at the point of the
first failure:

...
5 invoking make in /home/bpage/axiom.test/src/interp with parms:
SYS=3D i686-pc-mingw32
LISP=3Dlsp BYE=3Dbye
../../../build-improvements/config/mkinstalldirs
./../..//target/i686-pc-mingw32/share
/msgs
mkdir -p -- ./../..//target/i686-pc-mingw32/share/msgs
/bin/install -c -m 644
../../../build-improvements/src/doc/msgs/s2-us.msgs \
         ./../..//target/i686-pc-mingw32/share/msgs
echo '(progn (gbc t) (load "makeint.lisp") (gbc t) (user::spad-save
"../..//build/i686
-pc-mingw32/bin/interpsys.exe"))' |
DAASE=3D"../../../build-improvements/src/share" ./..
/..//build/i686-pc-mingw32/bin/lisp
GCL (GNU Common Lisp)  2.6.8 CLtL1    Dec 13 2006 00:25:13
Source License: LGPL(gcl,gmp), GPL(unexec,bfd,xgcl)
Binary License:  GPL due to GPL'ed components: (UNEXEC)
Modifications of this banner must retain notice of a compatible license
Dedicated to the memory of W. Schelter

Use (help) to get some basic information on how to use GCL.
Temporary directory for compiler files set to
./../..//build/i686-pc-mingw32/

>
Loading makeint.lisp
Loading sys-pkg.lisp
Finished loading sys-pkg.lisp
Loading ../../../build-improvements/src/interp/interp-proclaims.lisp
Finished loading
../../../build-improvements/src/interp/interp-proclaims.lisp
...
Loading interop.o
start address -T 1062f000 Finished loading interop.o
Loading patches.o
start address -T 10638000 Finished loading patches.o
   Using local database
../../../build-improvements/src/share/algebra/compress.daase..
Re-reading compress.daase   Using local database
../../../build-improvements/src/share/algebra/interp.daase..
Re-reading interp.daase

Error: Caught fatal error [memory may be damaged]
Fast links are on: do (si::use-fast-links nil) for debugging
Error signalled by RETURN.
Broken at APPLY.  Type :H for Help.
BOOT>> ...

----------

Any ideas?

Regards,
Bill Page.=20



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On Wed, 13 Dec 2006, Page, Bill wrote:

| On Tuesday, December 12, 2006 4:52 AM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote:
| >
| > I believe I solved the mystery:  After the recent reorganization
| > I made, the variable SPAD did not have a have a value by the time
| > Make did substitution -- though it has a value set in the _shell_
| > command line used to invoke depsys.  Why that isn't an issue under
| > linux is not clear to me at this moment.
| >
| > After re-reading Greg's message, I decided to trace build-interpsys
| > and that is how I spotted that the last argument was empty -- which
| > is not supposed to be.
| >
| > Having two ways of saying the same thing (AXIOM and SPAD) is just
| > confusing and plain wrong.  I changed src/interp/Makefile to use
| > only AXIOM (and not SPAD).  interpsys was build successfully.
| > As I'm writing this message, algebra layer 1 is being built.

layers 0 through 18 were built, then I got a crash; looking into
src/algebra/Makefile, it looks like we may have another path issue
there too.


| >
|
| Have you committed the required changes to build-improvements yet?

Not yet.

src/algebra needs changes too -- about the path.
I was testing my changes yesterday , and it was late so I went to bed.

I'll ping you later.

-- Gaby



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Hello,

I know that the build-improvements is a work in progress but the
execution of #405 (installed) stopped with:

greg@ellipse:~$ axiom
opening local server socket: Protocol not supported
Fatal error opening I/O socket

This was just for information and I hope it was not specific to me (if
not please let me know).

Greg

PS: 




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Le jeudi 14 d=E9cembre 2006 =E0 23:46 +0100, Vanuxem Gregory a =E9crit :
> Hello,
>=20
> I know that the build-improvements is a work in progress but the
> execution of #405 (installed) stopped with:
               ^^^
#402, sorry,

Greg




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Francois Maltey wrote:
> I'm playing with normalize (expr, x) and normalize (expr, y).
> 
> normalize (expr, x) limits the number of kernel with x.
> So exp (2*x) become exp (x)^2. The other variables remain.
> Is it right ?
> 
> But axiom don't recognize 0 in coefficients in y. Is it right ?
> I test normalize ((exp(2*x)+exp(x))*exp(2*y)/exp(y)-exp(x)*exp(y), x).
> I get ((e^x)^2 + e^x (e^2y-(e^y)^2)) / e^y.
> 
> But if we want to simplify/resolve this polynomial in e^x it's necessary to
> recognize it's simplified coefficients. Am I right ?
> 
> So what is the interest of normalize (expr, x) in front of normalize (expr) ?
> If then axiom must normalize theses coefficients. I don't understand.
> 

I can not give good answers your questions.  But some remarks may be
helpfull:

1) in general computer algebra systems have to choose when to
normalize expressions.  Normalizing sometimes is impossible 
(non-computable), usually takes time and can make expressions
bigger.  OTOH normalizing is frequently neccessary to get
correct results

2) rischNormalize is used by Axiom integrator. AFAICS common
belif is that in order to integrate with respect to x one
has first normalize with respect to x (otherwise integration
procedure may give wrong results).  There were claims that
there is no need to normalize with respect to other variables
(and currently Axiom integration procedure normalizes only
with respect to x).  OTOH I have examples when Axiom fails
due to lack of normalization...

3) main work of normalize(expr) is in localnorm and localnorm is:

  localnorm f ==
      for x in variables f repeat
        f := rischNormalize(f, x).func
      f

so essentially normalize(expr) is equivalent to
   normalize(...(normalize(expr, v1), v2,...,vn)

where v1,..., vn are all variables appearing in expr.  As I wrote
in another message I think this is wrong.

4) rischNormalize (so also normalize) is limited to elementary functions.
If a function is non-elementary in y and elementary in x it makes
some sense to use rischNormalize with respect to x (presumably using
some more complicated procedure with respect to y).

-- 
                              Waldek Hebisch
hebisch@math.uni.wroc.pl 



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Vanuxem Gregory <g.vanuxem@wanadoo.fr> writes:

| Hello,
| 
| I know that the build-improvements is a work in progress but the
| execution of #405 (installed) stopped with:
| 
| greg@ellipse:~$ axiom
| opening local server socket: Protocol not supported
| Fatal error opening I/O socket

Please could you send me the corresponding config.log?

Thanks!

-- Gaby



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Le jeudi 14 d=E9cembre 2006 =E0 18:21 -0600, Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit :
> Vanuxem Gregory <g.vanuxem@wanadoo.fr> writes:
>=20
> | Hello,
> |=20
> | I know that the build-improvements is a work in progress but the
> | execution of #405 (installed) stopped with:
> |=20
> | greg@ellipse:~$ axiom
> | opening local server socket: Protocol not supported
> | Fatal error opening I/O socket
>=20
> Please could you send me the corresponding config.log?

No, forget what I'm saying. I'm working on some things and I forgot all
other things. The problem, which I consider has to be fixed (probably
later), was that I "reconfigured" Axiom after the completion of the
build process (so there are some issues there...[1]). Sorry. I tried to
copy your branch and do a freshly build without success:

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
../config/mkinstalldirs ./..//target//usr/local/axiom.build-improvements/=
share
cd hyper &&  make
"AXIOM=3D/usr/local/axiom-build-improvements/target//usr/local/axiom.buil=
d-improvements" "SPAD=3D/usr/local/axiom-build-improvements/target//usr/l=
ocal/axiom.build-improvements" SYS=3D/usr/local/axiom.build-improvements =
"NOISE=3D-o .//build//usr/local/axiom.build-improvements/trace"
make[2]: entrant dans le r=E9pertoire
=AB /usr/local/axiom-build-improvements/src/hyper =BB
gcc -O2 -mtune=3Dk8 -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE
-I../../src/include -I../..//config  -I. \
                -c -o initx.o initx.c
initx.c: In function 'ingItColors_and_fonts':
initx.c:701: erreur: 'RmFontDefault' undeclared (first use in this
function)
initx.c:701: erreur: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
initx.c:701: erreur: for each function it appears in.)
initx.c:714: erreur: 'TtFontDefault' undeclared (first use in this
function)
initx.c:726: erreur: 'ActiveFontDefault' undeclared (first use in this
function)
initx.c:744: erreur: 'AxiomFontDefault' undeclared (first use in this
function)
initx.c:758: erreur: 'EmphasizeFontDefault' undeclared (first use in
this function)
initx.c:770: erreur: 'BoldFontDefault' undeclared (first use in this
function)
make[2]: *** [initx.o] Erreur 1
make[2]: quittant le r=E9pertoire
=AB /usr/local/axiom-build-improvements/src/hyper =BB
make[1]: *** [all-hyper] Erreur 2
make[1]: quittant le r=E9pertoire
=AB /usr/local/axiom-build-improvements/src =BB
make: *** [all-src] Erreur 2
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
(the first time I built your branch this error was not present)


But I insist forget what I'm saying, if I have fixes (and if there are
some bugs) I'll send them, I'm obsessed by what I'm doing and this is
not generally, for me, a good thing to mixes theses types of task.


Ah, last thing, _THIS IS MARVELOUS_, the build process takes
approximately 3 hours on my machines,  I love that (I don't why but I'm
happy :-)), I don't need documentation I have an Axiom "standard"
version. Many, Many thanks.

Greg

[1] I built Axiom without 'prefix' and reconfigured it (with another
prefix) and installed it.




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On Fri, 15 Dec 2006, Vanuxem Gregory wrote:

| Le jeudi 14 d=E9cembre 2006 =E0 18:21 -0600, Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit=
 :
| > Vanuxem Gregory <g.vanuxem@wanadoo.fr> writes:
| >
| > | Hello,
| > |
| > | I know that the build-improvements is a work in progress but the
| > | execution of #405 (installed) stopped with:
| > |
| > | greg@ellipse:~$ axiom
| > | opening local server socket: Protocol not supported
| > | Fatal error opening I/O socket
| >
| > Please could you send me the corresponding config.log?
|
| No, forget what I'm saying. I'm working on some things and I forgot all
| other things. The problem, which I consider has to be fixed (probably
| later), was that I "reconfigured" Axiom after the completion of the
| build process (so there are some issues there...[1]).

Definitely, there must be something there that needs fixinig.  I'll
get to that later.

| Sorry.

Please don't.

| I tried to
| copy your branch and do a freshly build without success:
|
| =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
| ../config/mkinstalldirs ./..//target//usr/local/axiom.build-improvement=
s/share
| cd hyper &&  make
| "AXIOM=3D/usr/local/axiom-build-improvements/target//usr/local/axiom.bu=
ild-improvements" "SPAD=3D/usr/local/axiom-build-improvements/target//usr=
/local/axiom.build-improvements" SYS=3D/usr/local/axiom.build-improvement=
s "NOISE=3D-o .//build//usr/local/axiom.build-improvements/trace"
| make[2]: entrant dans le r=E9pertoire
| =AB /usr/local/axiom-build-improvements/src/hyper =BB
| gcc -O2 -mtune=3Dk8 -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE
| -I../../src/include -I../..//config  -I. \
|                 -c -o initx.o initx.c
| initx.c: In function 'ingItColors_and_fonts':
| initx.c:701: erreur: 'RmFontDefault' undeclared (first use in this
| function)
| initx.c:701: erreur: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
| initx.c:701: erreur: for each function it appears in.)
| initx.c:714: erreur: 'TtFontDefault' undeclared (first use in this
| function)
| initx.c:726: erreur: 'ActiveFontDefault' undeclared (first use in this
| function)
| initx.c:744: erreur: 'AxiomFontDefault' undeclared (first use in this
| function)
| initx.c:758: erreur: 'EmphasizeFontDefault' undeclared (first use in
| this function)
| initx.c:770: erreur: 'BoldFontDefault' undeclared (first use in this
| function)
| make[2]: *** [initx.o] Erreur 1
| make[2]: quittant le r=E9pertoire
| =AB /usr/local/axiom-build-improvements/src/hyper =BB
| make[1]: *** [all-hyper] Erreur 2
| make[1]: quittant le r=E9pertoire
| =AB /usr/local/axiom-build-improvements/src =BB
| make: *** [all-src] Erreur 2
| =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
| (the first time I built your branch this error was not present)

this is weird.

| But I insist forget what I'm saying, if I have fixes (and if there are
| some bugs) I'll send them, I'm obsessed by what I'm doing and this is
| not generally, for me, a good thing to mixes theses types of task.
|
|
| Ah, last thing, _THIS IS MARVELOUS_, the build process takes
| approximately 3 hours on my machines,  I love that (I don't why but I'm
| happy :-)), I don't need documentation I have an Axiom "standard"
| version. Many, Many thanks.

well, I don't know whether it is marvelous to take 3 hours to build.
I don't know how long it used to take before. :-)

There is something that I did to _marginally_ improve the build time:
remove most of the sub-shells present in Axiom gold or silver.  On
mnay platforms (especially, with previous solaris implementation of
sh), sub-shells can be wonderfully expensive to create.

-- Gaby



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On Wed, 13 Dec 2006, Page, Bill wrote:

| On Tuesday, December 12, 2006 4:52 AM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote:
| >
| > I believe I solved the mystery:  After the recent reorganization
| > I made, the variable SPAD did not have a have a value by the time
| > Make did substitution -- though it has a value set in the _shell_
| > command line used to invoke depsys.  Why that isn't an issue under
| > linux is not clear to me at this moment.
| >
| > After re-reading Greg's message, I decided to trace build-interpsys
| > and that is how I spotted that the last argument was empty -- which
| > is not supposed to be.
| >
| > Having two ways of saying the same thing (AXIOM and SPAD) is just
| > confusing and plain wrong.  I changed src/interp/Makefile to use
| > only AXIOM (and not SPAD).  interpsys was build successfully.
| > As I'm writing this message, algebra layer 1 is being built.
| >
|
| Have you committed the required changes to build-improvements yet?

Bill --

  As of revision 403, I can successfully build Axiom.build-improvements
to produce AXIOMsys on Windows, using MinGW/MSYS.  I followed the
existing description of the dependencies between components, so I did
not build src/input.  I believe that is not correct.  We should be
able to build src/input too , and in particular to run the
regression test.  This is a heads-up, that something is buiilding and
running.

Furthermore, when I run AXIOMsys to test simple things, I noticed that
I don't have the usual output under linux or other unix-variant systems.  I
don't know whether this is "normal" under windows, or a collateral
damage I've done recently.  Your insight would be most appreciated.

Below is a sample session I run.

Thanks,

-- Gaby

$ DAASE=./target/i686-pc-mingw32 AXIOM=./target/i686-pc-mingw32/ ./target/i686-
pc-mingw32/bin/AXIOMsys.exe
GCL (GNU Common Lisp)  2.6.8 CLtL1    Dec 14 2006 20:51:04
Source License: LGPL(gcl,gmp), GPL(unexec,bfd,xgcl)
Binary License:  GPL due to GPL'ed components: (UNEXEC)
Modifications of this banner must retain notice of a compatible license
Dedicated to the memory of W. Schelter

Use (help) to get some basic information on how to use GCL.
Temporary directory for compiler files set to C:/DOCUME~1/gdr/LOCALS~1/Temp/
                        AXIOM Computer Algebra System
             Version: Axiom build-improvements branch 2006-12-04
             Timestamp: Thursday December 14, 2006 at 22:00:35
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
   Issue )copyright to view copyright notices.
   Issue )summary for a summary of useful system commands.
   Issue )quit to leave AXIOM and return to shell.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

   Using local database ./target/i686-pc-mingw32/algebra/compress.daase..   Usin  g local database ./target/i686-pc-mingw32/algebra/interp.daase..
   Using local database ./target/i686-pc-mingw32/algebra/operation.daase..
   Using local database ./target/i686-pc-mingw32/algebra/category.daase..
   Using local database ./target/i686-pc-mingw32/algebra/browse.daase..
(1) -> 2 + 3

   (1)  5
\axPrintType{\lispLink{\verb!(|conPage| '( |PositiveInteger| ))!}{\verb`Positive  Integer`}}(2) ->
(2) -> x + 3 * x^3
   Loading ./target/i686-pc-mingw32//algebra/UPMP.o for package
      UnivariatePolynomialMultiplicationPackage

          3
   (2)  3x  + x
\axPrintType{\lispLink{\verb!(|conPage| '( |Polynomial| ( |Integer| ) ))!}{\verb  `Polynomial`} \lispLink{\verb!(|conPage| '( |Integer| ))!}{\verb`Integer`}}(3) -  > )quit




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On December 14, 2006 11:44 PM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote:
> ... 
> As of revision 403, I can successfully build
> Axiom.build-improvements
> to produce AXIOMsys on Windows, using MinGW/MSYS.  I followed
> the existing description of the dependencies between components,
> so I did not build src/input.  I believe that is not correct.
> We should be able to build src/input too , and in particular to
> run the regression test.

There may be some input files that depend on the presence of
X. Do we want to just let these fail or somehow prevent them
from running?

> This is a heads-up, that something is buiilding and running.

I updated to revision 403 and then got the following result:

$ mkdir axiom.test
$ cd axiom.test
$ ../build-improvements/configure
...
configure: creating ./config.status
config.status: creating src/booklets/Makefile
config.status: creating Makefile
config.status: creating src/Makefile
config.status: creating src/lib/Makefile
config.status: creating src/lisp/Makefile
config.status: creating src/boot/Makefile
config.status: creating src/interp/Makefile
config.status: creating src/share/Makefile
config.status: creating src/algebra/Makefile
config.status: creating src/etc/Makefile
config.status: creating src/doc/Makefile
config.status: creating build/scripts/document
config.status: creating config/axiom-c-macros.h
building list of Algebra bootstrap files...done
extracting list of SPAD type definitions...done

$ make 2>&1 | tee build.log
Making in noweb
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/Administrator/axiom.test/noweb/src'
cd c; make "CC=gcc -ansi -pedantic" "CFLAGS=" all 
make[2]: Entering directory `/home/Administrator/axiom.test/noweb/src/c'
notangle -Rheader getline.nw > getline.h
/bin/sh: notangle: command not found
make[2]: *** [getline.h] Error 127
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/Administrator/axiom.test/noweb/src/c'
make[1]: *** [all] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/Administrator/axiom.test/noweb/src'
make: *** [build/i686-pc-mingw32/bin/notangle] Error 2

-----------

I don't understand the line:

  notangle -Rheader getline.nw > getline.h

since noweb is not yet built.

> 
> Furthermore, when I run AXIOMsys to test simple things, I noticed
> that I don't have the usual output under linux or other 
> unix-variant systems.  I don't know whether this is "normal" under
> windows, or a collateral damage I've done recently.  Your insight
> would be most appreciated.
> 
> Below is a sample session I run.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -- Gaby
> 
> $ DAASE=./target/i686-pc-mingw32 
> AXIOM=./target/i686-pc-mingw32/ ./target/i686-
> pc-mingw32/bin/AXIOMsys.exe
> GCL (GNU Common Lisp)  2.6.8 CLtL1    Dec 14 2006 20:51:04
> Source License: LGPL(gcl,gmp), GPL(unexec,bfd,xgcl)
> Binary License:  GPL due to GPL'ed components: (UNEXEC)
> Modifications of this banner must retain notice of a 
> compatible license
> Dedicated to the memory of W. Schelter
> 
> Use (help) to get some basic information on how to use GCL.
> Temporary directory for compiler files set to 
> C:/DOCUME~1/gdr/LOCALS~1/Temp/
>                         AXIOM Computer Algebra System
>              Version: Axiom build-improvements branch 2006-12-04
>              Timestamp: Thursday December 14, 2006 at 22:00:35
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------------
>    Issue )copyright to view copyright notices.
>    Issue )summary for a summary of useful system commands.
>    Issue )quit to leave AXIOM and return to shell.
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------------
> 
>    Using local database 
> ./target/i686-pc-mingw32/algebra/compress.daase..   Usin  g 
> local database ./target/i686-pc-mingw32/algebra/interp.daase..
>    Using local database 
> ./target/i686-pc-mingw32/algebra/operation.daase..
>    Using local database 
> ./target/i686-pc-mingw32/algebra/category.daase..
>    Using local database 
> ./target/i686-pc-mingw32/algebra/browse.daase..
> (1) -> 2 + 3
> 
>    (1)  5
> \axPrintType{\lispLink{\verb!(|conPage| '( |PositiveInteger| 
> ))!}{\verb`Positive  Integer`}}(2) ->
> (2) -> x + 3 * x^3
>    Loading ./target/i686-pc-mingw32//algebra/UPMP.o for package
>       UnivariatePolynomialMultiplicationPackage
> 
>           3
>    (2)  3x  + x
> \axPrintType{\lispLink{\verb!(|conPage| '( |Polynomial| ( 
> |Integer| ) ))!}{\verb  `Polynomial`} 
> \lispLink{\verb!(|conPage| '( |Integer| 
> ))!}{\verb`Integer`}}(3) -  > )quit
> 
> 

This stuff:

> \axPrintType{\lispLink{\verb!(|conPage| '( |Polynomial| ( 
> |Integer| ) ))!}{\verb  `Polynomial`} 
> \lispLink{\verb!(|conPage| '( |Integer| 
> ))!}{\verb`Integer`}}(3) -  > )quit

is definitely not normal. Of course it should look exactly the
same as on linux. This looks like the type information in some
hyperdoc markup format. Very strange.

Regards,
Bill Page.





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On Fri, 15 Dec 2006, Bill Page wrote:

| On December 14, 2006 11:44 PM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote:
| > ...
| > As of revision 403, I can successfully build
| > Axiom.build-improvements
| > to produce AXIOMsys on Windows, using MinGW/MSYS.  I followed
| > the existing description of the dependencies between components,
| > so I did not build src/input.  I believe that is not correct.
| > We should be able to build src/input too , and in particular to
| > run the regression test.
|
| There may be some input files that depend on the presence of
| X. Do we want to just let these fail or somehow prevent them
| from running?

It would be nice to prevent them from running.  Of course, that
means we know which ones require X being present.

| > This is a heads-up, that something is buiilding and running.
|
| I updated to revision 403 and then got the following result:
|
| $ mkdir axiom.test
| $ cd axiom.test
| $ ../build-improvements/configure
| ...
| configure: creating ./config.status
| config.status: creating src/booklets/Makefile
| config.status: creating Makefile
| config.status: creating src/Makefile
| config.status: creating src/lib/Makefile
| config.status: creating src/lisp/Makefile
| config.status: creating src/boot/Makefile
| config.status: creating src/interp/Makefile
| config.status: creating src/share/Makefile
| config.status: creating src/algebra/Makefile
| config.status: creating src/etc/Makefile
| config.status: creating src/doc/Makefile
| config.status: creating build/scripts/document
| config.status: creating config/axiom-c-macros.h
| building list of Algebra bootstrap files...done
| extracting list of SPAD type definitions...done
|
| $ make 2>&1 | tee build.log
| Making in noweb
| make[1]: Entering directory `/home/Administrator/axiom.test/noweb/src'
| cd c; make "CC=gcc -ansi -pedantic" "CFLAGS=" all
| make[2]: Entering directory `/home/Administrator/axiom.test/noweb/src/c'
| notangle -Rheader getline.nw > getline.h
| /bin/sh: notangle: command not found
| make[2]: *** [getline.h] Error 127
| make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/Administrator/axiom.test/noweb/src/c'
| make[1]: *** [all] Error 2
| make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/Administrator/axiom.test/noweb/src'
| make: *** [build/i686-pc-mingw32/bin/notangle] Error 2
|
| -----------
|
| I don't understand the line:
|
|   notangle -Rheader getline.nw > getline.h
|
| since noweb is not yet built.

Neither do I.  I have refrain from changing anything in the noweb
directory.

The build I did was with noweb preinstalled.

I'll look into why this command gets run in the first place.
Maybe a date stamp issue because of the import into SVN repo?
I'll check.

[...]

| This stuff:
|
| > \axPrintType{\lispLink{\verb!(|conPage| '( |Polynomial| (
| > |Integer| ) ))!}{\verb  `Polynomial`}
| > \lispLink{\verb!(|conPage| '( |Integer|
| > ))!}{\verb`Integer`}}(3) -  > )quit
|
| is definitely not normal.

OK.  Thanks for concurring.

| Of course it should look exactly the same as on linux.

That is what I thought but wasn't sure.

| This looks like the type information in some
| hyperdoc markup format. Very strange.

Indeed.

Thanks for your feedback.

-- Gaby



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Le jeudi 14 d=E9cembre 2006 =E0 22:43 -0600, Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit :

[...]

>=20
> Furthermore, when I run AXIOMsys to test simple things, I noticed that
> I don't have the usual output under linux or other unix-variant systems=
.  I
> don't know whether this is "normal" under windows, or a collateral
> damage I've done recently.  Your insight would be most appreciated.
>=20
> Below is a sample session I run.

[...]

> (1) -> 2 + 3
>=20
>    (1)  5
> \axPrintType{\lispLink{\verb!(|conPage| '( |PositiveInteger| ))!}{\verb=
`Positive  Integer`}}(2) ->
> (2) -> x + 3 * x^3
>    Loading ./target/i686-pc-mingw32//algebra/UPMP.o for package
>       UnivariatePolynomialMultiplicationPackage
>=20
>           3
>    (2)  3x  + x
> \axPrintType{\lispLink{\verb!(|conPage| '( |Polynomial| ( |Integer| ) )=
)!}{\verb  `Polynomial`} \lispLink{\verb!(|conPage| '( |Integer| ))!}{\ve=
rb`Integer`}}(3) -  > )quit
>=20

--- /usr/local/axiom-testing/src/interp/patches.lisp.pamphlet
+++ axiom-windows/AxiomOnWindows/src/interp/patches.lisp.pamphlet
@@ -66,8 +123,8 @@
 ;; browser stuff:
 #+:UNIX (defvar |$standard| 't)
 #-:UNIX (defvar |$standard| 'nil)
-#+:UNIX (defvar |$saturn| 'nil)
-#-:UNIX (defvar |$saturn| 't)
+#+(or :UNIX :WINNT) (defvar |$saturn| 'nil)
+#-(or :UNIX :WINNT) (defvar |$saturn| 't)

? (diff between build-improvements and AxiomOnWindows branch)

See src/interp/i-toplev.boot.pamphlet, the function printTypeAndTime. Or
if you prefer type in an Axiom session:

)boot $saturn :=3D true
2+3

)boot $saturn :=3D false
2+3

Hope this help,

Greg




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| Le jeudi 14 d=E9cembre 2006 =E0 18:21 -0600, Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit=
 :
| > Vanuxem Gregory <g.vanuxem@wanadoo.fr> writes:
| >
| > | Hello,
| > |
| > | I know that the build-improvements is a work in progress but the
| > | execution of #405 (installed) stopped with:
| > |
| > | greg@ellipse:~$ axiom
| > | opening local server socket: Protocol not supported
| > | Fatal error opening I/O socket
| >
| > Please could you send me the corresponding config.log?
|
| No, forget what I'm saying.

There were real bugs there that I unfortunately introduced.  I believe
to have fixed all that are known to me, in revision 407. Many thanks
for your feedback.

-- Gaby



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On Fri, 15 Dec 2006, Vanuxem Gregory wrote:

| --- /usr/local/axiom-testing/src/interp/patches.lisp.pamphlet
| +++ axiom-windows/AxiomOnWindows/src/interp/patches.lisp.pamphlet
| @@ -66,8 +123,8 @@
|  ;; browser stuff:
|  #+:UNIX (defvar |$standard| 't)
|  #-:UNIX (defvar |$standard| 'nil)
| -#+:UNIX (defvar |$saturn| 'nil)
| -#-:UNIX (defvar |$saturn| 't)
| +#+(or :UNIX :WINNT) (defvar |$saturn| 'nil)
| +#-(or :UNIX :WINNT) (defvar |$saturn| 't)
|
| ? (diff between build-improvements and AxiomOnWindows branch)
|
| See src/interp/i-toplev.boot.pamphlet, the function printTypeAndTime. Or
| if you prefer type in an Axiom session:

Yes, that does the trick for me.  Thanks for the pointer.

Again, I must rant about this irritating puzzle-ridding habit of Axiom
testing for platforms when, in fact, it is interested in
*functionalities*.  We should not be testing for platform in this
specific case, we should be testing for functionality.

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On December 15, 2006 9:14 PM Gabriel Dos Reis
> On Fri, 15 Dec 2006, Vanuxem Gregory wrote:
> 
> | --- /usr/local/axiom-testing/src/interp/patches.lisp.pamphlet
> | +++ axiom-windows/AxiomOnWindows/src/interp/patches.lisp.pamphlet
> | @@ -66,8 +123,8 @@
> |  ;; browser stuff:
> |  #+:UNIX (defvar |$standard| 't)
> |  #-:UNIX (defvar |$standard| 'nil)
> | -#+:UNIX (defvar |$saturn| 'nil)
> | -#-:UNIX (defvar |$saturn| 't)
> | +#+(or :UNIX :WINNT) (defvar |$saturn| 'nil)
> | +#-(or :UNIX :WINNT) (defvar |$saturn| 't)
> |
> | ? (diff between build-improvements and AxiomOnWindows branch)
> |

What is "AxiomOnWindows branch"?

> | See src/interp/i-toplev.boot.pamphlet, the function 
> | printTypeAndTime. Or if you prefer type in an Axiom
> | session:
> 
> Yes, that does the trick for me.  Thanks for the pointer.
> 
> Again, I must rant about this irritating puzzle-ridding habit
> of Axiom testing for platforms when, in fact, it is interested
> in *functionalities*.  We should not be testing for platform
> in this specific case, we should be testing for functionality.
> 

+1 Yes!

Regards,
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Le vendredi 15 d=E9cembre 2006 =E0 22:04 -0500, Bill Page a =E9crit :

[...]

> > | -#+:UNIX (defvar |$saturn| 'nil)
> > | -#-:UNIX (defvar |$saturn| 't)
> > | +#+(or :UNIX :WINNT) (defvar |$saturn| 'nil)
> > | +#-(or :UNIX :WINNT) (defvar |$saturn| 't)
> > |
> > | ? (diff between build-improvements and AxiomOnWindows branch)
> > |
>=20
> What is "AxiomOnWindows branch"?

This is the axiom--windows--1 branch. I didn't remember its name :-)


>=20
> > | See src/interp/i-toplev.boot.pamphlet, the function=20
> > | printTypeAndTime. Or if you prefer type in an Axiom
> > | session:
> >=20
> > Yes, that does the trick for me.  Thanks for the pointer.
> >=20
> > Again, I must rant about this irritating puzzle-ridding habit
> > of Axiom testing for platforms when, in fact, it is interested
> > in *functionalities*.  We should not be testing for platform
> > in this specific case, we should be testing for functionality.
> >=20
>=20
> +1 Yes!

+1,

I totally agree. I sent this patch just to show you that |$saturn| is
set to nil in this branch.

Greg




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On December 15, 2006 2:22 PM Vanuxem Gregory wrote:
>=20
> Le jeudi 14 d=E9cembre 2006 =E0 22:43 -0600, Gabriel Dos Reis a =
=E9crit :
>=20
> [...]
>=20
> --- /usr/local/axiom-testing/src/interp/patches.lisp.pamphlet
> +++ axiom-windows/AxiomOnWindows/src/interp/patches.lisp.pamphlet
> @@ -66,8 +123,8 @@
>  ;; browser stuff:
>  #+:UNIX (defvar |$standard| 't)
>  #-:UNIX (defvar |$standard| 'nil)
> -#+:UNIX (defvar |$saturn| 'nil)
> -#-:UNIX (defvar |$saturn| 't)
> +#+(or :UNIX :WINNT) (defvar |$saturn| 'nil)
> +#-(or :UNIX :WINNT) (defvar |$saturn| 't)
>=20
> ...=20
> Hope this help,
>=20

I can confirm that as of revision #407 (Friday, 15 Dec) the
build-improvements branch together with Greg's patch above
builds successfully on Windows. Congratulations!

I am SO HAPPY to finally be able to say goodbye to the old
axiom--windows--1! This the best Christmas/New Year's present
ever!  :-)

Cheers,
Bill Page.





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"Bill Page" <bill.page1@synthesis.anikast.ca> writes:

| On December 15, 2006 2:22 PM Vanuxem Gregory wrote:
| >=20
| > Le jeudi 14 d=E9cembre 2006 =E0 22:43 -0600, Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit=
 :
| >=20
| > [...]
| >=20
| > --- /usr/local/axiom-testing/src/interp/patches.lisp.pamphlet
| > +++ axiom-windows/AxiomOnWindows/src/interp/patches.lisp.pamphlet
| > @@ -66,8 +123,8 @@
| >  ;; browser stuff:
| >  #+:UNIX (defvar |$standard| 't)
| >  #-:UNIX (defvar |$standard| 'nil)
| > -#+:UNIX (defvar |$saturn| 'nil)
| > -#-:UNIX (defvar |$saturn| 't)
| > +#+(or :UNIX :WINNT) (defvar |$saturn| 'nil)
| > +#-(or :UNIX :WINNT) (defvar |$saturn| 't)
| >=20
| > ...=20
| > Hope this help,
| >=20
|=20
| I can confirm that as of revision #407 (Friday, 15 Dec) the
| build-improvements branch together with Greg's patch above
| builds successfully on Windows. Congratulations!

Congratulations to all of you who helped!=20=20
I'm glad to see that we have the basics working (e.g. building
AXIOMsys, algebra).

I hope to check in some other modifications I have in my local trees
before I mebrak on a trip to EU (where I don't expect to have much
time left for working on Axiom).=20

Next is finaizing the other bits on the TODO list.

| I am SO HAPPY to finally be able to say goodbye to the old
| axiom--windows--1! This the best Christmas/New Year's present
| ever!  :-)

I'm glad you like it :-)

-- Gaby



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Hello,

I want to simplify sin ((a+1)*(b+%pi)) = sin (a*b + a*%pi + b + %pi) 
                to - sin (a*b + a*%pi + b) 

I can get the coefficient of %pi in the numerator of the argument of sin x.

MP ==>  SparseMultivariatePolynomial(R, K)
 K ==> Kernel F
 Z ==> Integer

    kpi : K := retract(pi())@K   -- the constant %pi

    coeffPi : MP -> Z
    coeffPi x == 
      R has retractIfCan : R -> Union(Integer,"failed") =>
        ccz := retractIfCan (coefficient (p, kpi, 1))@Union(Z, "failed")
        ccz case Integer => ccz::Integer
      0

In this example this coefficient is (a+1). 

I don't want the all coefficient a+1, but only the constant term, 1 in R.

How can I get this 1 in R ? 

The coeffPi function is sufficient for sin (a+3*%pi), 
not for sin ((a+b+1)*%pi)

I don't see this function in SMP by )sh SMP nor in polycat.spad.

Have a nice day !

Francois





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Bill,

I tried this on the May 18, 2005 and December 14, 2006 versions.
The December version is the current "gold", arch version 50.
I can't seem to reproduce the error.

Curious about the factor factorial 12399....

If I do 

a:= factorial 12399
b:= factor a
c:= a - expand b

I get c = 0

Tim



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I compared 3 versions, the original NAG version, the May 18, 2005
version, and the Dec 14, 2006 version:

NAG                      MAY18/05                DEC14/06
f:=119646463             f:=119646463            f:=119646463
factor f => 119646463    factor f => 119646463   factor f => 119646463
prime? f => false        prime? f => false       prime? f => false
g:=129864979             g:=129864979            g:=129864979
factor g => 11027 11777  factor g => 129864979   factor g => 129864979
prime? g => false        prime? g => false       prime? g => false
g-11027*11777 => 0       g-11027*11777 => 0      g-11027*11777 => 0

So it looks like the error was introduced into FR when compiled
under GCL.

Tim



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Tim:

Could you please re-verify the NAG version?

According to your report, NAG version already has the 
problem for factoring 119646463, which is a prime (so in 
this case, 'factor' is correct and 'prime?' is wrong, 
according to your report for NAG). Also, my Windows 
version reports prime? 119646463 => true, so there is no 
error here.

Note that in my earlier report, the number is 119643463, 
which is not prime and is 10111 * 11833.

William

On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 03:54:04 -0500
  root <root@axiom-developer.org> wrote:
>I compared 3 versions, the original NAG version, the May 
>18, 2005
>version, and the Dec 14, 2006 version:
>
>NAG                      MAY18/05                DEC14/06
>f:=119646463             f:=119646463 
>           f:=119646463
>factor f => 119646463    factor f => 119646463   factor f 
>=> 119646463
>prime? f => false        prime? f => false       prime? f 
>=> false
>g:=129864979             g:=129864979 
>           g:=129864979
>factor g => 11027 11777  factor g => 129864979   factor g 
>=> 129864979
>prime? g => false        prime? g => false       prime? g 
>=> false
>g-11027*11777 => 0       g-11027*11777 => 0 
>     g-11027*11777 => 0
>
>So it looks like the error was introduced into FR when 
>compiled
>under GCL.
>
>Tim

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On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 03:20:56 -0500
  root <root@axiom-developer.org> wrote:
>Bill,
>
>I tried this on the May 18, 2005 and December 14, 2006 
>versions.
>The December version is the current "gold", arch version 
>50.
>I can't seem to reproduce the error.
>
>Curious about the factor factorial 12399....
>
>If I do 
>
>a:= factorial 12399
>b:= factor a
>c:= a - expand b
>
>I get c = 0
>
>Tim

All that says is that the factorization produces factors 
(NOT prime factors) that multiplied back to give the 
original number. What is needed are PRIME factors. You 
have to actually look at the last few factors returned in 
Factored Integer; any thing larger than 12399 in that list 
must be a composite and not a prime factor and hence an 
error.

Too bad Wiki right now is not displaying the entire 
result, but your Axiom should display it.

William



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I use my own compiled axiom without change for integer and so.
I have a random reponse :

petoncle:~/Axiom$ axiom -noht
                        AXIOM Computer Algebra System
                       Version: Axiom (September 2006)
              Timestamp: Saturday October 28, 2006 at 12:18:07
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

I test : 

[#factors (117661597+0*i) for i in 1..1000]   -- there are 1 and 2 factors 
reduce (+, [#factors (117661597+0*i) for i in 1..1000])     -- around 1650

The exact solution is 2000 of corse.

F. [I don't know how to add this in the wiki]



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On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 05:00:12 -0500
  root <root@axiom-developer.org> wrote:
>NAG                      MAY18/05                DEC14/06
>f:=119646463             f:=119646463 
>           f:=119646463
>factor f => 119646463    factor f => 119646463   factor f 
>=> 119646463
>prime? f => false        prime? f => false       prime? f 
>=> false
>g:=129864979             g:=129864979 
>           g:=129864979
>factor g => 11027 11777  factor g => 129864979   factor g 
>=> 129864979
>prime? g => false        prime? g => false       prime? g 
>=> false
>g-11027*11777 => 0       g-11027*11777 => 0 
>     g-11027*11777 => 0
>
>m:=119643463             m:=119643463 
>           m:=119643463
>factor m => 119643463    factor m => 119643463   factor m 
>=> 119643463
>prime? m => false        prime? m => false       prime? m 
>=> false
>m - 10111*11833 => 0     m - 10111*11833 => 0    m - 
>10111*11833 => 0
>
>Clearly we've found a counter-example to one of the 
>fundamental
>theorems of number theory. :-)
>
>Tim
>
>

So you confirmed that even the NAG version exhibited 
problems? Just hope no one uses these two "primes" for 
RSA.

William 



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Francois Maltey <fmaltey@nerim.fr> writes:

> I want to simplify sin ((a+1)*(b+%pi)) = sin (a*b + a*%pi + b + %pi)
>                 to - sin (a*b + a*%pi + b)
> 
> I can get the coefficient of %pi in the numerator of the argument of sin x.
> 
> MP ==>  SparseMultivariatePolynomial(R, K)
>  K ==> Kernel F
>  Z ==> Integer
> 
>     kpi : K := retract(pi())@K   -- the constant %pi
> 
>     coeffPi : MP -> Z
>     coeffPi x ==
>       R has retractIfCan : R -> Union(Integer,"failed") =>
>         ccz := retractIfCan (coefficient (p, kpi, 1))@Union(Z, "failed")
>         ccz case Integer => ccz::Integer
>       0
> 
> In this example this coefficient is (a+1).
> 
> I don't want the all coefficient a+1, but only the constant term, 1 in R.

So you want the constant term of a SparseMultivariatePolynomial(R, K), that is,
a polynomial with variables being in K an coefficients in R. 

I guess you want to use

coefficient(p,0$IndexedExponents(Symbol)) 

Martin




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Dear all, especially all fans of strict typing!

I'm also sending this to aldor-l, although I can really describe the problem
only with a concrete example, it may well be that one of the aldor experts has
seen something like that before. In fact, I'd be already grateful for a
"reasonable" abstract description of my problem, since I find it difficult to
extract the "real" problem. On the other hand, what I want to do seems natural
to me...

I would like to determine a Taylor series expansion using undetermined
coefficients for an implicitely given function y. Suppose I am given the
equation for y as a function z: TS -> TS, where TS is a suitable Taylor series
domain. z stands for "zero", i.e., the power series solution g will satisfy 

z g = O(x^something).  


In the following:

UTS     ==> UnivariateTaylorSeries
SUP     ==> SparseUnivariatePolynomial -- the variable is displayed as ?
EXPR    ==> Expression
FRAC    ==> Fraction
INT     ==> Integer
TRANFUN ==> TranscendentalFunctionCategory -- allows computation of sin, etc.


Currently I use UTS(SUP F, x, 0) where F is a field of coefficients, for
example EXPR INT, or just FRAC INT.

Then I let g: UTS(SUP F, x, 0) be the power series consisting of those terms
whose coefficients are already computed (or given as initial values), plus one
term with coefficient monomial(1,1)$SUP F, which is thus transcendental over F
and will serve as placeholder for the undetermined coefficient.

Now I can compute z g, and find the first non-zero coefficient, which will
usually be a linear polynomial in SUP F. (Otherwise I have to supply more
initial values, since only in the linear case the coefficient is uniquely
determined...)

This works very well. For example, I can compute asin with g +-> g sin x - x,
even things like g +-> g(g(x))-x and more complicated stuff work. 

Now let F be EXPR INT, or, in fact, any domain that has TRANFUN. Already series
as simple as g +-> sin g - sin 1, g(0) = 1 fail: I get the error

"sincos: series expansion involves transcendental constants".

Of course, that's what I should get: SUP EXPR INT does not have TRANFUN, and it
cannot have it, since sin(?) is not a SUP EXPR INT. The error is raised when
one tries to compute sin of a series which has a constant term, which seems to
make sense. To compute the next term of our example, we set g = 1+?x and need
to compute sin(1+?x)-sin(1), which in turn wants to compute sin(1+?x) which
equals

sin(1) + cos(1) ? x - sin(1)/2 ?^2 x^2 - ...

(remember, the variable of a SUP is displayed as ?)

OK, SUP EXPR INT does not have TRANFUN, but EXPR has, and sin(1+?x) does not
involve anything that does not "fit" into SUP EXPR INT, for example,
sin(?). But how can I explain that to axiom?


Any ideas are greatly appreciated.

Martin




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Martin:

If I understand your question correctly, at least in the 
interpreter, there is no need to go to SUP F, especially 
for domains like F = EXPR INT. In the example you give, 

>Now let F be EXPR INT, or, in fact, any domain that has 
>TRANFUN. Already series
>as simple as g +-> sin g - sin 1, g(0) = 1 fail: 

it would be possible to "find g" with enough initial data 
using, with t standing for the next undetermined 
coefficient

taylor(sin(1+t*x)-sin(1),x=0)
     t cos(1)x - O(x^2)  

Now you want this to be zero, say. so t = 0.  You then 
iterate:

taylor(sin(1 + t*x^2) - sin(1), x=0)

and of course you get g = 1.  In general, you may want to 
use Puiseaux series.  For example, if you want sin(g(x))= 
sqrt(x), g(0) = 0, you would get

g(x) = sqrt(x)+(1/6)*x^(3/2)+(3/40)*x^(5/2)+t*x^(7/2) 

after a few iterations, which is the beginning terms of 
the series for asin(sqrt(x)) of course.

Now if you want to write a package, you do not want to fix 
the variable x (which a user of your package may use t, 
for example). However, assuming you are only using input 
functions (like z and initial data) that are univariate in 
EXPR INT, you can extract the main variable, and assign it 
to x (in your package). Let axiom generate a new symbol 
and assign it to t, which will be different from x (even 
if the user also uses t for his main variable, it will be 
a different t). Now you form your partial series for g 
involving t and x, and substitute g for x to form z g. 
 Then compute the resulting series ending up in 
R:=UPXS(EXPR F,x,a) or UPS(EXPR F,x,a), where F can be 
simply INT. (If you require your user to give input 
functions directly from GR:=UPXS(F,x,a) or UPS(F,x,a), you 
will need to first "embed" gr to SGR:=UPXS(SUP F,x,a) or 
UPS(SUP F,x,a), and you can assign t to the main variable 
of SUP F; then you have to repack everything (just the 
normal part of the series up to the order you need) back 
into EXPR F before forming the series in R). In any case, 
you can now compute your undetermine coefficient one at a 
time using arithmetic in EXPR F. The series for g may be 
retracted to GR. The user of your package would not need 
to know anything about your auxilliary variable t.

Something similar to this can be found in IDEAL 
(PolynomialIdeals) package where we need an auxilliary 
variable (like your t) to turn inequations h \ne 0 into an 
equation of the form h*t-1 = 0 (here t must not be mixed 
up with user variables). A lot of type conversion is 
needed between different polynomial rings. So here, you 
need to write type conversion routines between EXPR INT 
and UPXS or UPS (one direction is given by series or 
taylor already).

William



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Dear William,

"William Sit" <wyscc@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> writes:

> Martin:
> 
> If I understand your question correctly, at least in the interpreter, there is
> no need to go to SUP F, especially for domains like F = EXPR INT. In the
> example you give,

So, you would check whether F allows a "transcendental" element (i.e., another
variable)? That doesn't look very "clean" to me. (I'm writing a package, by the
way...)

> > Now let F be EXPR INT, or, in fact, any domain that has TRANFUN. Already
> > series
> > as simple as g +-> sin g - sin 1, g(0) = 1 fail:
> 
> it would be possible to "find g" with enough initial data using, with t
> standing for the next undetermined coefficient
> 
> taylor(sin(1+t*x)-sin(1),x=0)
>      t cos(1)x - O(x^2)  Now you want this to be zero, say. so t = 0.  You then
> iterate:
> 
> taylor(sin(1 + t*x^2) - sin(1), x=0)
> 
> and of course you get g = 1.  

Yes, that's what I do.

> Now if you want to write a package, you do not want to fix the variable x
> (which a user of your package may use t, for example). However, assuming you
> are only using input functions (like z and initial data) that are univariate in
> EXPR INT, 

I definitely don't want to restrict to EXPR INT.  It should work with any
domain that has TRANFUN.

> you can extract the main variable, and assign it to x (in your package).  Let
> axiom generate a new symbol and assign it to t, which will be different from
> x (even if the user also uses t for his main variable, it will be a different
> t). Now you form your partial series for g involving t and x,

So, what will be the coefficient ring of this partial series? I currently use
SUP F. I thought about using EXPR F instead, but this looks rather like a
workaround than a solution. (That's why I asked for a more abstract problem
description, by the way) I think so, because, suppose there is another category
InterestingFunctions. It may well be that EXPR does not export
InterestingFunctions, and then wrapping the coefficient domain with EXPR won't
help. It seems that the present problem is quite close to the problem of
"indeterminates".

> and substitute g for x to form z g. Then compute the resulting series ending
> up in R:=UPXS(EXPR F,x,a) or UPS(EXPR F,x,a), where F can be simply INT.

This rather sounds like replacing my SUP with EXPR.

> (If you require your user to give input functions directly from
> GR:=UPXS(F,x,a) or UPS(F,x,a), you will need to first "embed" gr to
> SGR:=UPXS(SUP F,x,a) or UPS(SUP F,x,a), and you can assign t to the main
> variable of SUP F; then you have to repack everything (just the normal part
> of the series up to the order you need) back into EXPR F before forming the
> series in R).

That sounds interesting, but I don't think I understand. Do you mean I can
"lift" a function from GR -> GR to a function SGR -> SGR? I don't see how this
could be done...

> In any case, you can now compute your undetermine coefficient one at a time
> using arithmetic in EXPR F. The series for g may be retracted to GR. The user
> of your package would not need to know anything about your auxilliary
> variable t.

> Something similar to this can be found in IDEAL (PolynomialIdeals) package
> where we need an auxilliary variable (like your t) to turn inequations h \ne
> 0 into an equation of the form h*t-1 = 0 (here t must not be mixed up with
> user variables). A lot of type conversion is needed between different
> polynomial rings. 

Hm, you mean the code in relationsIdeal(listf : List DPoly): ST ? I must admit
that I find it quite difficult to read. THere couldn't be less documentation, I
suppose.

> So here, you need to write type conversion routines between EXPR INT and UPXS
> or UPS (one direction is given by series or taylor already).



Thanks,

Martin




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> The "gazonk" files are created when the interpreter tries to
> compile the argument to draw as a Lisp function. The error
> message that you observe can be generated in the case that
> gazonk file remain in the /tmp directory that were created by
> another user on your system for which you do not have the right
> to delete (e.g. If you were previously testing using 'root' by
> now are using a non-privileged account.) These files should
> normally be automatically deleted but in some cases Axiom seems
> to carelessly or accidently leave them lying around in the the
> /tmp directory.
> 
> Try to correct this problem by signing on as 'root' and
> removing all temporary files::
> 
>   rm /tmp/*

The gazonk-name function, previously discussed, should handle
this problem. I'm not sure why it wasn't applied.

Tim



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On Monday, December 18, 2006 11:33 PM Tim Daly wrote:
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Tim, is this a problem with Axiom or with GCL? If it is GCL
has anyone submitted a patch?

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Martin Rubey wrote:

> > If I understand your question correctly, at least in the interpreter, there is
> > no need to go to SUP F, especially for domains like F = EXPR INT. In the
> > example you give,
>
> So, you would check whether F allows a "transcendental" element (i.e., another
> variable)? That doesn't look very "clean" to me. (I'm writing a package, by the
> way...)

This was only used to see if I understood your question. I was aware you are writing
a package. With the exception perhaps of Inteval, domains that descends from TRANFUN
are either constants or series, or EXPR. Only EXPR allows you to have a new symbol
without "adding" it to F as in SUP F. But the problem is not adding a new variable,
which is the easy part. So it is not even necessary to check if F allows a new
symbol. It is the series expansion that is causing the problems that forces you to
use EXPR.

> > Now if you want to write a package, you do not want to fix the variable x
> > (which a user of your package may use t, for example). However, assuming you
> > are only using input functions (like z and initial data) that are univariate in
> > EXPR INT,
>
> I definitely don't want to restrict to EXPR INT.  It should work with any
> domain that has TRANFUN.

No you don't have to, at least not for the user, but I think you must, to do your
computation. As you observed, if you add a new variable as the undetermined
coefficient using SUP F, the domain no longer has TRANFUN even if F has. Moreover,
the series expansion operation requires AlgebraicallyClosedField and FunctionSpace in
addition to TRANFUN. This means you cannot expand the transcendental functions in SUP
F into a series (example, expand series(sin(1+t*x))  ) without going to EXPR anyway.
But EXPR SUP F can then be replaced by EXPR F. Of course, if F is EXPR INT, you
should not add another layer, but this is "easy" to test by checking whether F has
FunctionSpace(some ring) (and really easy, whether F has AlgebraicallyClosedField)).
I am putting the first "easy" in quote because we went there before: Axiom does not
provide info of how F is constructed unless in you package, you ask for it in the
parameters. If you want to avoid such trouble, write your package for EXPR over some
numeric domain.

> > you can extract the main variable, and assign it to x (in your package).  Let
> > axiom generate a new symbol and assign it to t, which will be different from
> > x (even if the user also uses t for his main variable, it will be a different
> > t). Now you form your partial series for g involving t and x,
>
> So, what will be the coefficient ring of this partial series? I currently use
> SUP F. I thought about using EXPR F instead, but this looks rather like a
> workaround than a solution.

Ideally, assuming F is a domain from TRANFUN, the coefficient ring for the partial
series is F if F is already EXPR(S) and EXPR F if not (this second case include the
cases when F is itself is a numeric domain, or a series ring, wrt some other
independent variable). If what I said so far is correct, you have no choice.

> (That's why I asked for a more abstract problem
> description, by the way) I think so, because, suppose there is another category
> InterestingFunctions. It may well be that EXPR does not export
> InterestingFunctions, and then wrapping the coefficient domain with EXPR won't
> help. It seems that the present problem is quite close to the problem of
> "indeterminates".

No, it is much simpler (conceptually speaking). In your hypothetical scenario, you
must construct in InterestingFunctions the series expansion operation. At this time,
all roads lead to EXPR! (The only SPFCAT domain constructor is EXPR, which is also
the only FS domain constructor). So it is very likely that if there are new
interesting functions, you will certainly "extend" EXPR to belong to that category as
well.

> > and substitute g for x to form z g. Then compute the resulting series ending
> > up in R:=UPXS(EXPR F,x,a) or UPS(EXPR F,x,a), where F can be simply INT.
>
> This rather sounds like replacing my SUP with EXPR.

Well, yes, for the reasons above. I don't think you can avoid this, at least not in
your computations. Users don't have to enter the z function that implicitly defines
the g function using EXPR domains---any TRANFUN domain is fine if no special
functions are involved.

> > (If you require your user to give input functions directly from
> > GR:=UPXS(F,x,a) or UPS(F,x,a), you will need to first "embed" GR to
> > SGR:=UPXS(SUP F,x,a) or UPS(SUP F,x,a), and you can assign t to the main
> > variable of SUP F; then you have to repack everything (just the normal part
> > of the series up to the order you need) back into EXPR F before forming the
> > series in R).
>
> That sounds interesting, but I don't think I understand. Do you mean I can
> "lift" a function from GR -> GR to a function SGR -> SGR? I don't see how this
> could be done...

F is a subring of SUP F, so if you have a series with coefficients in F, these are in
SUP F (basically, "constants" with respect to the "?" variable). Is it trivial to
lift a series in GR to SGR? (you can just use "map"). It is only a coercion from a
subdomain to a domain. It is NOT lifting a function from GR -> GR to another function
from SGR -> SGR (such lifting would be possible, but not unique unless the image for
"?" is decided first, in which case, "map" will do the job too).

> > In any case, you can now compute your undetermined coefficients one at a time
> > using arithmetic in EXPR F. The series for g may be retracted to GR. The user
> > of your package would not need to know anything about your auxilliary
> > variable t.
>
> > Something similar to this can be found in IDEAL (PolynomialIdeals) package
> > where we need an auxilliary variable (like your t) to turn inequations h \ne
> > 0 into an equation of the form h*t-1 = 0 (here t must not be mixed up with
> > user variables). A lot of type conversion is needed between different
> > polynomial rings.

> Hm, you mean the code in relationsIdeal(listf : List DPoly): ST ? I must admit
> that I find it quite difficult to read. THere couldn't be less documentation, I
> suppose.

I mean the definition of the macros newPoly and the functions npoly, oldpoly and
inRadical? in ideal.spad, where a polynomial ring domain used for the input
polynomials is extended by a new variable. You will notice a lot of similar code in
other routines (look for the variable tp or tp1). The construction works even when
the polynomial domain is POLY INT (supposedly includes all symbols). This is the
beauty of Axiom because we only need to extend the exponent vectors by one more
dimension (even if the original vectors are conceptually infinite dimensional). So I
am proposing you do the same thing because EXPR plays the same role as POLY, but in
function space.

> > So here, you need to write type conversion routines between EXPR INT and UPXS
> > or UPS (one direction is given by series or taylor already).
>
> Thanks,
>
> Martin

Hope this makes more sense.

William




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On Tuesday, December 19, 2006 1:30 AM Tim Daly wrote:
>=20
> > > The gazonk-name function, previously discussed, should handle
> > > this problem. I'm not sure why it wasn't applied.
> > >=20
> >=20
> > Tim, is this a problem with Axiom or with GCL? If it is GCL
> > has anyone submitted a patch?
>=20
> ummm, that would be a source of debate i'd guess.
> arguably there is a failure in axiom causing the file to remain.

What does Axiom care about temporary files generated by GCL?
Isn't the goal just to compile and load a Lisp function?

> arguably there should never be a gcl failure leaving the file.
>

Yes, probably.
=20
> of course, if there are multiple users of the system you can have
> name collisions because they are both writing to the same temp
> file name and do not have permission to erase each others files.
>

Do you mean to suggest that GCL can not be successfully used on a
multi-user system? Surely this is not a problem with must software
intended to run on unix/linux? There is a standard unix function
to create unique temporary file names in a multi-user environment.

> perhaps these files are left around from a previously failing
> axiom build. however axiom plays with the default system path
> names of gcl so that, by design, it never writes outside of=20
> the build directory so this should not happen.
>=20

In my experience the gazonk files are always created in /tmp
in all version of Axiom I have used so far - for both explicit
SPAD compiles ")compile xxx.spad" and for implicit function
compiles ")set function compile on". The axiom draw operation
always seems to try to compile it's first argument and for some
reason leaves some gazonk files in the /tmp directory - not only
when it fails but all the time.  If the resulting gazonk file is
owned by the current user then everything is ok. But if the file
is owned by another user/group to which I do not have write
access, then the next time someone else tries to use the Axiom
draw function, an error like this:

>> System error: Cannot create the file /tmp/gazonk0.fn.

occurs. Does this error message originate with GCL or with
something else that Axiom is trying to do with/too this file?

Regards,
Bill Page.



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"Page, Bill" <Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca> writes:

| On Monday, December 18, 2006 11:33 PM Tim Daly wrote:
| > ... 
| > The gazonk-name function, previously discussed, should handle
| > this problem. I'm not sure why it wasn't applied.
| > 
| 
| Tim, is this a problem with Axiom or with GCL? If it is GCL
| has anyone submitted a patch?

The gazonk-name function, as Tim and I discussed earlier, is already
in GCL.  But Axiom's version is still there.  So, presumably Axiom's
version is taking over.  Someone has to test 
   (1) Remove Axiom's version and test again
   (2) If the problem persists, fix it in GCL upstream.

-- Gaby



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Dear William, dear Aldor experts,

The bit for the Aldor exports is enclosed in

-ALDOR QUESTION----------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The rest can be safely skipped, I guess.



William, thanks for your input. Most of it makes sense, however, the paragraph
which I find most interesting I still don't understand. Thus a follow up.

First things first. I had yet another idea, which avoids the problems of EXPR a
little. To put things into the right setting, I quote our discussion:

> > I definitely don't want to restrict to EXPR INT.  It should work with any
> > domain that has TRANFUN.
> 
> No you don't have to, at least not for the user, but I think you must, to do
> your computation.

However, suppose that there is a domain Holonomic which enables us to compute
with functions that satisfy an linear differential equation, i.e., there is a
linear polynomial p such that p(x, y, y',...,y^(n))=0. Holonomic cannot inherit
from TRANFUN, since tan is not Holonomic, but it still captures a large class
of trigonometric functions. Furthermore, it is a computable domain, i.e., we
can automatically check whether an expression is zero. So, it is definitely an
interesting domain.

Currently I have the signature

solve(UTS SUP F -> UTS SUP F, List F)

where the first argument gives the series expansion of the equation defining my
series, the second is a list of initial values. For example, I could say

solve(s +-> -s * D(s,2) + D(s)^2 + s*D s, [1,1]) 

to obtain the exponential generating function for the Bell numbers. There is no
computation in an "Expression" domain involved here... (Note, furthermore, that
the necessity of SUP is not really clear for the user here, more on this below)

Thus, the signature 

solve(UTS EXPR INT -> UTS EXPR INT, List EXPR INT)

is, at least for me, not an option. I could imagine to have

solve(UTS EXPR F -> UTS EXPR F, List F)

but that poses some new problems, since EXPR EXPR INT is "forbidden" in the
interpreter. 


-ALDOR QUESTION----------------------------------------------------------------

My "new" idea is to create a new domain SUPEXPR that is like SUP but has
TRANFUN. That sounds childish, but I think it is not. I would do it as follows:

SUPEXPR(R: Ring):UPOLYC R with 
       if R has TRANFUN then TRANFUN

    add

        sin(p: %): % ==
            ground? p => coerce sin ground p
            output(hconcat("Cannot compute sin p for p=", p::OutputForm)
                  $OutputPackage
            error "SUPEXPR: sin defined for elements of the coefficient ring
            only"

        cos(p: %): % ==
            ground? p => coerce cos ground p
            output(hconcat("Cannot compute cos p for p=", p::OutputForm)
                  $OutputPackage
            error "SUPEXPR: cos defined for elements of the coefficient ring
            only"

etc. Of course, it would be nice if this could be done generically. But I
suppose, Aldor cannot do something like this, i.e., define some operations
generically only for a "subdomain"?

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

In any case, this seems to do the trick, and should be quite easy to extend.

Now the paragraph I still don't quite understand.

> > > (If you require your user to give input functions directly from
> > > GR:=UPXS(F,x,a) or UPS(F,x,a), you will need to first "embed" GR to
> > > SGR:=UPXS(SUP F,x,a) or UPS(SUP F,x,a), and you can assign t to the main
> > > variable of SUP F; then you have to repack everything (just the normal
> > > part of the series up to the order you need) back into EXPR F before
> > > forming the series in R).

> > That sounds interesting, but I don't think I understand. Do you mean I can
> > "lift" a function from GR -> GR to a function SGR -> SGR? I don't see how
> > this could be done...
 
> F is a subring of SUP F, so if you have a series with coefficients in F,
> these are in SUP F (basically, "constants" with respect to the "?"
> variable). Is it trivial to lift a series in GR to SGR? (you can just use
> "map"). It is only a coercion from a subdomain to a domain. It is NOT lifting
> a function from GR -> GR to another function from SGR -> SGR (such lifting
> would be possible, but not unique unless the image for "?" is decided first,
> in which case, "map" will do the job too).

The one thing I dislike about the signature

  solve(UTS SUP F -> UTS SUP F, List F)

or

  solve(UTS SUPEXPR F -> UTS SUPEXPR F, List F)

is that the necessity of the constructor SUPEXPR is not really obvious. I'd
rather have

  solve(UTS F -> UTS F, List F)

and "lift" the mapping to a mapping UTS SUPEXPR F -> UTS SUPEXPR F. Somehow I
have the feeling that your suggestion above is relevant, however, I don't see
at all how this can be done. In fact, I doubt that this can be done at all,
but maybe I'm wrong.

Could you please try to re-phrase what you mean with

  If you require your user to give input functions directly from
  GR:=UPS(F,x,a), you will need to first "embed" GR to SGR:=UPS(SUP F,x,a),

in particular, to make things precise, could you give the signature you propose
for solve(...)?

Many thanks,

Martin




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Waldek Hebisch wrote:
> 
> We have problem with SF SVN: first Gaby then I can not make "svn copy".
> Adding file works, but emulating "svn copy" via removal and addition
> of a copy increases repository size, which may bit us in the future.
> 
> Actually I am merging changes from build-improvements. I tried to
> "svn copy" gcl and noweb, but I am getting errors:
> 
> svn: COPY of gcl: 403 Forbidden (https://svn.sourceforge.net)
> 
> I am reluctant to commit gcl without sharing, so I will probably
> commit a version which requires users to separately fetch gcl (
> and noweb) if needed.
> 

Hi !
I had the same problem and this post fixed my problems :
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1599910&group_id=1&atid=200001

I now acces via the new URL scheme and everything works... Kinda strange
solution but at least it works.

-- 
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William Sit wrote:
> Tim:
> 
> Could you please re-verify the NAG version?
> 
> According to your report, NAG version already has the 
> problem for factoring 119646463, which is a prime (so in 
> this case, 'factor' is correct and 'prime?' is wrong, 
> according to your report for NAG). Also, my Windows 
> version reports prime? 119646463 => true, so there is no 
> error here.
> 
> Note that in my earlier report, the number is 119643463, 
> which is not prime and is 10111 * 11833.
> 

Francois Maltey wrote:
> I test :
>
> [#factors (117661597+0*i) for i in 1..1000]   -- there are 1 and 2 factors
> reduce (+, [#factors (117661597+0*i) for i in 1..1000])     -- around 1650

The exact solution is 2000 of corse.

AFAICS the problem is that the map x -> (x^2+5) mod p has cycle
of the same length for both factors of 119643463 and 117661597. For
many examples just running Pollard method more times is sufficient.
However there are some nasty examples like 93281*97499 = 9094804219
or 90149*93229*97387 = 818489150670827 where probability of getting
right answer (using x^2+5 map) seem to be lower then 0.03.
Heuristically, using different map for succesive trials should solve
the problem, but at least at first glance it looks hard to prove
that changing map will work for _all_ numbers that we want to factor.

Below I implemented a different approach: I we detect that all factors
give cycle of the same length we look at the _first_ place when cycle
begin.  It is easy to prove that with probability at least 0.5 
cycles for different factors begin in different places. If this is the
case we can still find a proper factor.

In practise, it seems that that probability of success is much higher
than 0.5, but there is still non-negligable probability of failure, so
I also decided to repeat Pollard method up to 20 times.  I have not good
justification for choosing 20 -- for all bad examples that I was able to
produce 20 repetitions bring probability of failure way below hardware
error rate.

We probably should use better factorization method -- Pollard rho needs
a lot of time to find 17-digit factor and will probably never finish
if factors have more than 20 digits.  For comparison, I tried ecm-6.1.1
program and it found 37-digit factor of 69-digit number in about 2000
seconds, which is probably faster then Axiom Pollard for 17-digit 
factors.  But even simplest ECM is more compilcated then Pollard and
AFAICS ECM becomes really competitive only when one adds a bunch of
improvements which significantly increase complexity.  Other fast
methods look more complicated then ECM...

Anyway, the following patch fixed for me factorisation problems:

--- wh-sandbox/src/algebra/intfact.spad.pamphlet	2006-11-17 19:30:20.000000000 +0100
+++ wh-sandbox2/src/algebra/intfact.spad.pamphlet	2006-12-20 02:05:36.284242184 +0100
@@ -401,27 +401,51 @@
        r:I := 1
        q:I := 1
        G:I := 1
+       l:I
+       k:I
        until G > 1 repeat
           x := y
+          ys := y
           for i in 1..convert(r)@Integer repeat
              y := (y*y+5::I) rem n
              q := (q*abs(x-y)) rem n
-             k:I := 0
+          k := 0::I
+          G := gcd(q,n)
           until (k>=r) or (G>1) repeat
              ys := y
              for i in 1..convert(min(m,r-k))@Integer repeat
                 y := (y*y+5::I) rem n
-                q := q*abs(x-y) rem n
+                q := (q*abs(x-y)) rem n
              G := gcd(q,n)
              k := k+m
+          k := k + r
           r := 2*r
        if G=n then
+          l := k - m
+          G := 1::I
           until G>1 repeat
              ys := (ys*ys+5::I) rem n
              G := gcd(abs(x-ys),n)
+             l := l + 1
+          if G = n then
+             y := x0
+             x := x0
+             for i in 1..convert(l)@Integer repeat
+               y := (y*y+5::I) rem n
+             G := gcd(abs(x-y), n)
+             until G>1 repeat
+               y := (y*y+5::I) rem n
+               x := (x*x+5::I) rem n
+               G := gcd(abs(x-y), n)
        G=n => "failed"
        G
 
+    PollardSmallFactor20(n:I):Union(I,"failed") ==
+       for i in 1..20 repeat
+          r := PollardSmallFactor n
+          r case I => return r
+       r
+
     BasicSieve(r, lim) ==
        l:List(I) :=
           [1::I,2::I,2::I,4::I,2::I,4::I,2::I,4::I,6::I,2::I,6::I]
@@ -470,7 +494,7 @@
           (y:=perfectSqrt (x**2-n)) case I =>
                 insert_!(x+y,a,c)
                 insert_!(x-y,a,c)
-          (d := PollardSmallFactor n) case I =>
+          (d := PollardSmallFactor20 n) case I =>
              for m in 0.. while zero?(n rem d) repeat n := n quo d
              insert_!(d, a, m * c)
              if n > 1 then insert_!(n, a, c)


-- 
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Martin Rubey wrote:

> First things first. I had yet another idea, which avoids the problems of EXPR a
> little. To put things into the right setting, I quote our discussion:
>
> > > I definitely don't want to restrict to EXPR INT.  It should work with any
> > > domain that has TRANFUN.
> >
> > No you don't have to, at least not for the user, but I think you must, to do
> > your computation.
>
> However, suppose that there is a domain Holonomic which enables us to compute
> with functions that satisfy an linear differential equation, i.e., there is a
> linear polynomial p such that p(x, y, y',...,y^(n))=0. Holonomic cannot inherit
> from TRANFUN, since tan is not Holonomic, but it still captures a large class
> of trigonometric functions. Furthermore, it is a computable domain, i.e., we
> can automatically check whether an expression is zero. So, it is definitely an
> interesting domain.
>
> Currently I have the signature
>
> solve(UTS SUP F -> UTS SUP F, List F)
>
> where the first argument gives the series expansion of the equation defining my
> series, the second is a list of initial values. For example, I could say
>
> solve(s +-> -s * D(s,2) + D(s)^2 + s*D s, [1,1])
>
> to obtain the exponential generating function for the Bell numbers. There is no
> computation in an "Expression" domain involved here... (Note, furthermore, that
> the necessity of SUP is not really clear for the user here, more on this below)

Speaking for myself, I won't use the expanded series as input from a user. I may
use your function or something similar as a behind-the-scene local function.  As
will be seen in previous discussion and below, series expansions require more than
just TRANFUN.

Note your example argument in solve is not a linear polynomial in the derivatives
of s. Ignoring that and assuming you are really interested in non-linear ODEs, I
don't see the relevance of transcendental functions unless you allow them in the
coefficients of the ODE. But then you will have trouble evaluating the map in the
argument of solve (see below).

> Thus, the signature
>
> solve(UTS EXPR INT -> UTS EXPR INT, List EXPR INT)
>
> is, at least for me, not an option. I could imagine to have
>
> solve(UTS EXPR F -> UTS EXPR F, List F)
>
> but that poses some new problems, since EXPR EXPR INT is "forbidden" in the
> interpreter.

Before we get into the signature of solve, we have to make sure what is to be
computed can be effectively done within the domain. At first I thought
any domain having TRANFUN might be enough for your purpose because afterall, such a
domain is supposedly closed under all elementary function operators. Then I tried
with UTS(FRAC INT, x, 0):

(1) -> dom:=UTS(FRAC INT,x,0)

   (1)  UnivariateTaylorSeries(Fraction Integer,x,0)
                                                                 Type: Domain

(2) -> dom has TRANFUN

   (2)  true
                                                                Type: Boolean
(3) -> a:=series(1/(1-x),x=0)::dom

                 2    3    4    5    6    7    8    9    10      11
   (3)  1 + x + x  + x  + x  + x  + x  + x  + x  + x  + x   + O(x  )
                           Type: UnivariateTaylorSeries(Fraction Integer,x,0)
(4) -> sin a

   >> Error detected within library code:
   "sincos: series expansion involves transcendental constants"

protected-symbol-warn called with (NIL)
(4) -> sin series(1/(1-x),x=0)

   (4)

     sin(1) + cos(1)x  + (rest omitted)

                        Type: UnivariatePuiseuxSeries(Expression Integer,x,0)

The above shows that even though domains in TRANFUN may have sin SPECIFIED, it does
not mean the implementation is possible because the underlying coefficient ring (in
my example, FRAC INT) may not have enough constants such as sin(1) to support the
construction.  You cannot get around this even if you use UTS(SUP F, x, a) or
UTS(F,x,a) since F, not necessarily, but even if, a domain in TRANFUN, must still
have transcendental constants since UTS or SUP is not going to add these to F. (You
may however use Float instead of FRAC INT as F, but that gets us into
approximations.)

> -ALDOR QUESTION----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> My "new" idea is to create a new domain SUPEXPR that is like SUP but has
> TRANFUN. That sounds childish, but I think it is not. I would do it as follows:
>
> SUPEXPR(R: Ring):UPOLYC R with
>        if R has TRANFUN then TRANFUN
>
>     add
>
>         sin(p: %): % ==
>             ground? p => coerce sin ground p
>             output(hconcat("Cannot compute sin p for p=", p::OutputForm)
>                   $OutputPackage
>             error "SUPEXPR: sin defined for elements of the coefficient ring
>             only"
>
>         cos(p: %): % ==
>             ground? p => coerce cos ground p
>             output(hconcat("Cannot compute cos p for p=", p::OutputForm)
>                   $OutputPackage
>             error "SUPEXPR: cos defined for elements of the coefficient ring
>             only"
>
> etc. Of course, it would be nice if this could be done generically. But I
> suppose, Aldor cannot do something like this, i.e., define some operations
> generically only for a "subdomain"?
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> In any case, this seems to do the trick, and should be quite easy to extend.

I am not familiar with Aldor, but what you suggested does not seem to be Aldor
specific (except for "extend").  Note that you avoided the most important operation
in the example implementation of sin above: for example, sin(1+?*x), where 1+?*x is
in R = UTS(FRAC INT, x,0) and presumably SUPEXPR R would have a new symbol ? from
UPOLYC R,  would yield an error message, in addition to what I got in the above
test (that is, sin(1) need not be available during a series expansion of sin even
if you "extend" the definition of sin in series).

> Now the paragraph I still don't quite understand.
>
> > > > (If you require your user to give input functions directly from
> > > > GR:=UPXS(F,x,a) or UPS(F,x,a), you will need to first "embed" GR to
> > > > SGR:=UPXS(SUP F,x,a) or UPS(SUP F,x,a), and you can assign t to the main
> > > > variable of SUP F; then you have to repack everything (just the normal
> > > > part of the series up to the order you need) back into EXPR F before
> > > > forming the series in R).
>
> > > That sounds interesting, but I don't think I understand. Do you mean I can
> > > "lift" a function from GR -> GR to a function SGR -> SGR? I don't see how
> > > this could be done...
>
> > F is a subring of SUP F, so if you have a series with coefficients in F,
> > these are in SUP F (basically, "constants" with respect to the "?"
> > variable). Is it trivial to lift a series in GR to SGR? (you can just use
> > "map"). It is only a coercion from a subdomain to a domain. It is NOT lifting
> > a function from GR -> GR to another function from SGR -> SGR (such lifting
> > would be possible, but not unique unless the image for "?" is decided first,
> > in which case, "map" will do the job too).
>
> The one thing I dislike about the signature
>
>   solve(UTS SUP F -> UTS SUP F, List F)
>
> or
>
>   solve(UTS SUPEXPR F -> UTS SUPEXPR F, List F)
>
> is that the necessity of the constructor SUPEXPR is not really obvious. I'd
> rather have
>
>   solve(UTS F -> UTS F, List F)
>
> and "lift" the mapping to a mapping UTS SUPEXPR F -> UTS SUPEXPR F. Somehow I
> have the feeling that your suggestion above is relevant, however, I don't see
> at all how this can be done. In fact, I doubt that this can be done at all,
> but maybe I'm wrong.

The signature you proposed probably won't be ideal for the user because if the map
argument in solve involves transcendental functions, you will be in trouble when it
is to be evaluated. I would think a much simpler way of giving the implicit
equation is just an expression in a single variable, something like:
   solve(z:EXPR F, x:Symbol, c:F, g:BasicOperator):UTS(EXPR F,x,c)
The EXPR F in the target is meant to allow for other parametric constants in z, and
F is a numerical domain like INT or Float; x is the series variable and c is the
center for the series expansion.

The problem you are interested in has nothing to do with differential equations (it
may have an application to differential equation) because it is just solving an
implicit equation in series or power series. So all that is needed is an expression
giving the implicit equation, where the dependent and independent variables are
given.
   solve(sin(g(x))- sqrt(x), x,0, g)
would solve g(x) as a series solution in x around 0 for the equation
   sin(g(x) -sqrt(x)=0;
and you may want to allow the first argument to be a list LIST EXPR F:
   solve([g(x) * D(g(x),x,2) + D(g(x),x)^2 + g(x)*D(g(x),x), g(0)-1,
g'(0)-1],x,0,g)
would solve the ODE with initial conditions (but this is really not within the
setup until after one writes down g(x), g'(x), g''(x) in a series with undetermined
coefficients; but then for a fixed order, the equations boil down to an algebraic
system in the undetermined coefficients. Or, if you don't like the similarity with
Mathematica syntax, you can use:
   solve(sin(y) - sqrt(x),x,0,y)
but then you will be using an implicit convention that y depends on x.

> Could you please try to re-phrase what you mean with
>
>   If you require your user to give input functions directly from
>   GR:=UPS(F,x,a), you will need to first "embed" GR to SGR:=UPS(SUP F,x,a),
>
> in particular, to make things precise, could you give the signature you propose
> for solve(...)?
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Martin

Not sure what you are puzzled about. By "give input functions directly from GR", I
mean allowing the implicit equation to be given by expressions involving a power
series, which is probably a bad idea anyway since equations are generally not given
that way. The series expansion of any special or transcendental function should be
dealt with by the solve package (that is, you).

If you are asking about "embed", then perhaps you like the language of category
theory? Treat UTS(-,x,a) (sorry, UPS is not the correct abbreviation) as a functor
from Ring to Ring. Then we have the following diagram:
                F    ----->   UTS(F,x,a)
             id |                   | map
                v                   v
             SUP(F) ---> UTS(SUP(F),x,a)

So the map in the picture is just UTS(-,x,a) applied to the ring morphism
F->SUP(F), which is the identity embedding (SUP(F) as an F-algebra).

The "lifting" is provided I think by the "map" in ExpressionSpaceFunctions2(E,F) in
ES2.spad. So for any s in GR, map(s, s)$ES2(GR,SGR) would be the lifting or
embedding. Of course "map" is far more general, just like UTS(-,x,a) is, and
accepts any morphism between rings.

[Disclaimer: I have no experience whatsoever with ExpressionSpace or related
domains and packages. I am only exploring this by looking up hyperdoc. Intuition
does not always work in Axiom and syntax may not be correct.]


William






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Thanks to the message from 'billitch' and the work of David Burley
at SourceForge it seems that we might finally have a solution to
our problems with access to svn at SourceForge! For the first time
since we started to use svn I have actually be able to complete an
entire checkout of the build-improvements sources using Tortiose
SVN on Windows without any failures of any kind. In all other
cases TortioseSVN has always failed with one HTTP-related error
message or another and irrevocably locked the archive so that it
was completely unusable. Using svn from the commmand line in both
Linux and Windows frequently gave the "secure connection truncated
errors" which neceesitated re-starting the check-out many times to
get a complete and usable copy of the repository.

At long last I finally have an Axiom svn archive on Windows that
I can really use! :-)

Using the formula given by David Burley below, the new url for
accessing the build-improvements branch at SourceForge is:

https://axiom.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/axiom/branches/build-improvemen=
ts

The usual variations of this url can be used check out the trunk
or other branches.

I highly recommend that other Axiom developers give this a try.
Notice that David also describes how to switch an existing
repository to use the new url via the 'svn switch --relocate'
command.

Thank you very much to David Burley at SourceForge for making this
new url available and for the changes to Apache/SVN/network that
corrected the problems.

Regards,
Bill Page.

> Waldek Hebisch wrote:
> >=20
> > We have problem with SF SVN: first Gaby then I can not make=20
> > "svn copy". Adding file works, but emulating "svn copy" via
> > removal and addition of a copy increases repository size, which
> > may bit us in the future.
> >=20
> > Actually I am merging changes from build-improvements. I tried
> > to "svn copy" gcl and noweb, but I am getting errors:
> >=20
> > svn: COPY of gcl: 403 Forbidden (https://svn.sourceforge.net)
> >=20
> > I am reluctant to commit gcl without sharing, so I will probably
> > commit a version which requires users to separately fetch gcl
> > (and noweb) if needed.
> >=20
>=20

On December 18, 2006 11:45 PM billitch wrote:
>=20
> Hi !
> I had the same problem and this post fixed my problems :
>
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=3Ddetail&aid=3D1599910&grou=
p_id=3D1&
atid=3D200001
>
> I now acces via the new URL scheme and everything works...
> Kinda strange solution but at least it works.

On 2006-11-30 15:45 burley (SourceForge.net Site Admin) wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> I have created another access method for SVN repositories
> hosted on SourceForge.net. This new access method is
> currently undocumented but is generally accessible. I
> believe this new method may solve the secure connection
> truncated errors, and perhaps some others, but haven't had
> enough time to fully test it to be sure. However, as its
> little effort and risk to try it out (it uses the same data
> on disk, etc.), you may want to give it a shot and let me
> know on this ticket if it resolves your issues.
>
> To use this new SVN access method, you'll need to access SVN
> through the following URL spec:
>
> https://PROJECTNAME.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/PROJECTNAME
>
> note that the only change is that your project's UNIX name
> is added to the front of the hostname (i.e.
> svn.sourceforge.net gets modified to
> PROJECTNAME.svn.sourceforge.net), nothing else changes.
>
> To make this change on an existing working copy, which I
> recommend you make a backup of first, just in case, do the
> following:
>
> 1. Run 'svn info' at the root of the repository content, it
> should display a line that appears similar to:
>
>   URL: https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/gaim/trunk
>
> 2. Run the following command at the root of the working copy:
>
> svn switch --relocate /
>   https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/gaim/trunk  /
>   https://gaim.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/gaim/trunk
>
> This example is for the project gaim, but it would modify
> similarly for any other project. If it works for you, please
> post feedback here. If it doesn't, please also post feedback
> here.
>
> Thank you,
>
> David Burley
> Quality of Service Analyst, SourceForge.net





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Dear William,

it seems that I am quite difficult to understand. I hope I can clarify some
things. The package works now, as I said already in my previous mail, I only
dislike one thing about it, but obviously, I couldn't make it clear. The
package is attached below.

> Speaking for myself, I won't use the expanded series as input from a user. 

I don't do that either, nor would I suggest it.

> As will be seen in previous discussion and below, series expansions require
> more than just TRANFUN.

TRANFUN serves as an example, as I stated, I think.
 
> > -ALDOR
> > QUESTION----------------------------------------------------------------

> > My "new" idea is to create a new domain SUPEXPR that is like SUP but has
> > TRANFUN. That sounds childish, but I think it is not. I would do it as
> > follows:

> > SUPEXPR(R: Ring):UPOLYC R with
> >        if R has TRANFUN then TRANFUN
> >
> >     add
> >
> >         sin(p: %): % ==
> >             ground? p => coerce sin ground p
> >             output(hconcat("Cannot compute sin p for p=", p::OutputForm)
> >                   $OutputPackage
> >             error "SUPEXPR: sin defined for elements of the coefficient
> >         ring
> >             only"
> >
> >         cos(p: %): % ==
> >             ground? p => coerce cos ground p
> >             output(hconcat("Cannot compute cos p for p=", p::OutputForm)
> >                   $OutputPackage
> >             error "SUPEXPR: cos defined for elements of the coefficient
> >         ring
> >             only"

> > etc. Of course, it would be nice if this could be done generically. But I
> > suppose, Aldor cannot do something like this, i.e., define some operations
> > generically only for a "subdomain"?

> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > In any case, this seems to do the trick, and should be quite easy to
> > extend.
 
> I am not familiar with Aldor, but what you suggested does not seem to be
> Aldor specific (except for "extend").  

Replace Aldor with SPAD if you like. But it seems to me that there is more hope
to make things "generic" in Aldor...

> Note that you avoided the most important operation in the example
> implementation of sin above: for example, sin(1+?*x), where 1+?*x is in R =
> UTS(FRAC INT, x,0) and presumably SUPEXPR R would have a new symbol ? from
> UPOLYC R, would yield an error message,

No, I didn't omit anything I need. Even if R = UTS(FRAC INT, x, 0), i.e., R has
TRANFUN, I don't want to teach SUPEXPR to do something with sin(1+?*x). I guess
you meant 1+?*x would be in SUPEXPR R. Obviously, 1+?*x is not in R, thus
SUPEXPR *should* throw an error. 

> The signature you proposed probably won't be ideal for the user because if
> the map argument in solve involves transcendental functions, you will be in
> trouble when it is to be evaluated.

No. As long as F is "large" enough, it just works.

> The problem you are interested in has nothing to do with differential
> equations (it may have an application to differential equation) because it is
> just solving an implicit equation in series or power series. So all that is
> needed is an expression giving the implicit equation, where the dependent and
> independent variables are given.

Yes.

> > Could you please try to re-phrase what you mean with

> >   If you require your user to give input functions directly from
> >   GR:=UPS(F,x,a), you will need to first "embed" GR to SGR:=UPS(SUP F,x,a),

> > in particular, to make things precise, could you give the signature you
> > propose for solve(...)?

> Not sure what you are puzzled about. By "give input functions directly from
> GR", I mean allowing the implicit equation to be given by expressions
> involving a power series, which is probably a bad idea anyway since equations
> are generally not given that way. The series expansion of any special or
> transcendental function should be dealt with by the solve package (that is,
> you).

I don't understand. Nowhere I suggested to deal with expressions involving
power series - assuming that, with "expressions" you refer to something like
EXPR. So far I only considered maps from UTS -> UTS and, somewhat
alternatively, elements of a FunctionSpace that I interpret as maps UTS -> UTS.

> If you are asking about "embed", then perhaps you like the language of
> category theory? Treat UTS(-,x,a) (sorry, UPS is not the correct
> abbreviation) as a functor from Ring to Ring. Then we have the following
> diagram:

>                 F    ----->   UTS(F,x,a)
>              id |                   | map
>                 v                   v
>              SUP(F) ---> UTS(SUP(F),x,a)

In this picture, I guess that elements f of F are really implicit equations
defining y(x) which get mapped to the power series expansion of the function
y(x)?


Martin

(The following pamphlet requires allprose.sty for LaTeXing, but the spad
generation using document works even if allprose.sty is not present.)

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{allprose}

\begin{document}
\title{ssolve.spad}
\author{Martin Rubey}
\maketitle
\begin{abstract}
\end{abstract}
\tableofcontents
\section{domain SUPEXPR SparseUnivariatePolynomialExpressions}

This domain is a hack, in some sense. What I'd really like to do -
automatically - is to provide all operations supported by the coefficient
domain, as long as the polynomials can be retracted to that domain, i.e., as
long as they are just constants. I don't see another way to do this,
unfortunately.

<<dom: SUPEXPR SparseUnivariatePolynomialExpressions>>=
)abb domain SUPTRAFUN SparseUnivariatePolynomialExpressions
SparseUnivariatePolynomialExpressions(R: Ring): Exports == Implementation where

    Exports == UnivariatePolynomialCategory R with

        if R has TranscendentalFunctionCategory
        then TranscendentalFunctionCategory

    Implementation == SparseUnivariatePolynomial R add

        if R has TranscendentalFunctionCategory then
            sin(p: %): % ==
                ground? p => coerce sin ground p
                output(hconcat("sin p for p= ", p::OutputForm))$OutputPackage
                error "SUPTRAFUN: sin only defined for elements of the
            coefficient ring"
            cos(p: %): % ==
                ground? p => coerce cos ground p
                output(hconcat("cos p for p= ", p::OutputForm))$OutputPackage
                error "SUPTRAFUN: cos only defined for elements of the
            coefficient ring"
@


\section{package UTSSOL TaylorSolve}

[[UTSSOL]] is a facility to compute the first few coefficients of a Taylor
series given only implicitely by a function [[f]] that vanishes when applied to
the Taylor series.

It uses the method of undetermined coefficients.

\begin{ToDo}
  Could I either
  \begin{itemize}
  \item take a function [[UTSCAT F -> UTSCAT F]] and still be able to compute
    with undetermined coefficients, or
  \item take a function [[F -> F]], and do likewise?
  \end{itemize}

  Let's see.

  Try to compute the equation without resorting to power series. I.e., %
  [[c: SUP SUP F]], and [[f: SUP SUP F -> SUP SUP F]]. Won't this make the
  computation of coefficients terribly slow?

  I could also try to replace transcendental kernels with variables\dots

  Unfortunately, [[SUP F]] does not have [[TRANFUN]] -- well, it can't, of
  course. However, I'd like to be able to compute %
  [[sin(1+monomial(1,1)$UFPS SUP EXPR INT)]].
\end{ToDo}

<<pkg: UTSSOL TaylorSolve>>=
)abb package UTSSOL TaylorSolve
TaylorSolve(F, UTSF, UTSSUPF): Exports == Implementation where
    F: Field
    SUP  ==> SparseUnivariatePolynomialExpressions
    UTSF: UnivariateTaylorSeriesCategory F
    UTSSUPF: UnivariateTaylorSeriesCategory SUP F
    NNI  ==> NonNegativeInteger

    Exports == with
        ssolve: (UTSSUPF -> UTSSUPF, List F) -> UTSF

    Implementation == add
<<implementation: UTSSOL TaylorSolve>>
@

<<implementation: UTSSOL TaylorSolve>>=
        ssolve(f, l) ==
            c1 := map(#1::(SUP F), l)$ListFunctions2(F, SUP F)::(Stream SUP F)
            c: Stream SUP F := concat(c1, generate(monomial(1$F,1$NNI)))
@

[[c]] is the stream of the already computed coefficients of the solution, plus
one which is so far undetermined.

<<implementation: UTSSOL TaylorSolve>>=
            st: List Stream SUP F := [c, c]
@

Consider an arbitrary equation $f\big(x, y(x)\big)=0$. When setting $x=0$, we
obtain $f\big(0, y(0)\big)=0$. It is not necessarily the case that this
determines $y(0)$ uniquely, so we need one initial value that satisfies this
equation.
\begin{ToDo}
  [[ssolve]] should check that the given initial values satisfy $f\big(0, y(0),
  y'(0),...\big) = 0$.
\end{ToDo}
Now consider the derivatives of $f$, where we write $y$ instead of $y(x)$ for
better readability:
\begin{equation*}
\frac{d}{dx}f(x, y)=f_1(x, y) + f_2(x, y)y^\prime
\end{equation*}
and
\begin{align*}
 \frac{d^2}{dx^2}f(x, y)&=f_{1,1}(x, y)\\
                        &+f_{1,2}(x, y)y^\prime\\
                        &+f_{2,1}(x, y)y^\prime\\
                        &+f_{2,2}(x, y)(y^\prime)^2\\
                        &+f_2(x, y)y^{\prime\prime}.
\end{align*}
In general, $\frac{d^2}{dx^2}f(x, y)$ depends only linearly on
$y^{\prime\prime}$.

\begin{ToDo}
  This points to another possibility: Since we know that we only need to solve
  linear equations, we could compute two values and then use interpolation.
  This might be a bit slower, but more importantly: can we still check that we
  have enough initial values? Furthermore, we then really need that $f$ is
  analytic, i.e., operators are not necessarily allowed anymore. However, it
  seems that composition is allowed.
\end{ToDo}

<<implementation: UTSSOL TaylorSolve>>=
            next: () -> F :=
               nr := st.1
               res: F

               if ground?(coeff: SUP F := nr.1)$(SUP F)
@
If the ne element was already calculated, we can simply return it:

<<implementation: UTSSOL TaylorSolve>>=
               then res := ground coeff
               else
@

Otherwise, we have to find the first non-satisfied relation and solve it. It
should be linear, or a single non-constant monomial. That is, the solution
should be unique.
<<implementation: UTSSOL TaylorSolve>>=
                   ns := st.2
                   eqs: Stream SUP F := coefficients f series ns
                   while zero? first eqs repeat eqs := rest eqs
                   eq: SUP F := first eqs
                   if degree eq > 1 then
                       if monomial? eq then res := 0
                       else
                          output(hconcat("The equation is: ", eq::OutputForm))
                                 $OutputPackage
                          error "ssolve: equation for coefficient not linear"
                   else res := (-coefficient(eq, 0$NNI)$(SUP F)
                                /coefficient(eq, 1$NNI)$(SUP F))

               nr.1 := res::SUP F
               st.1 := rest nr
               res

            series generate next
@
%$


\section{package EXPRSOL ExpressionSolve}

\begin{ToDo}
  I'd really like to be able to specify a function that works for all domains
  in a category. For example, [[x +-> y(x)^2 + sin x + x]] should \lq work\rq\
  for [[EXPR INT]] as well as for [[UTS INT]], both being domains having
  [[TranscendentalFunctionCategory]].
\end{ToDo}

<<pkg: EXPRSOL ExpressionSolve>>=
)abb package EXPRSOL ExpressionSolve
ExpressionSolve(R, F, UTSF, UTSSUPF): Exports == Implementation where
    R: Join(OrderedSet, IntegralDomain, ConvertibleTo InputForm)
    F: FunctionSpace R
    UTSF: UnivariateTaylorSeriesCategory F
    SUP  ==> SparseUnivariatePolynomialExpressions
    UTSSUPF: UnivariateTaylorSeriesCategory SUP F
    OP   ==> BasicOperator
    SY   ==> Symbol
    NNI  ==> NonNegativeInteger
    MKF ==> MakeBinaryCompiledFunction(F, UTSSUPF, UTSSUPF, UTSSUPF)
    NNI  ==> NonNegativeInteger
    MKF ==> MakeBinaryCompiledFunction(F, UTSSUPF, UTSSUPF, UTSSUPF)

    Exports == with

        ssolve: (F, OP, SY, List F) -> UTSF

    Implementation == add
<<implementation: EXPRSOL ExpressionSolve>>
@

The general method is to transform the given expression into a form which can
then be compiled. There is currently no other way in Axiom to transform an
expression into a function.

We need to replace the differentiation operator by the corresponding function
in the power series category, and make composition explicit. Furthermore, we
need to replace the variable by the corresponding variable in the power series.
It turns out that the compiler doesn't find the right definition of
[[monomial(1,1)]]. Thus we introduce it as a second argument. In fact, maybe
that's even cleaner. Also, we need to tell the compiler that kernels that are
independent of the main variable should be coerced to elements of the
coefficient ring, since he will complain otherwise.

<<implementation: EXPRSOL ExpressionSolve>>=
        opelt := operator("elt"::Symbol)$OP
        opdiff := operator("D"::Symbol)$OP
        opcoerce := operator("coerce"::Symbol)$OP

        replaceDiffs: (F, OP, Symbol) -> F
        replaceDiffs (expr, op, sy) ==
            lk := kernels expr
            for k in lk repeat
                if freeOf?(coerce k, sy) then
                    expr := subst(expr, [k], [opcoerce [coerce k]])

                if is?(k, op) then
                    arg := first argument k
                    if arg = sy::F
                    then expr := subst(expr, [k], [(name op)::F])
                    else expr := subst(expr, [k], [opelt [(name op)::F,
                                                          replaceDiffs(arg, op,
                                                          sy)]])
--                    => "iterate"

                if is?(k, %diff) then
                    args := argument k
                    differentiand := replaceDiffs(subst(args.1, args.2 =
                    args.3), op, sy)
                    expr := subst(expr, [k], [opdiff differentiand])
--                    => "iterate"
            expr


        ssolve(expr, op, sy, l) ==
            ex := replaceDiffs(expr, op, sy)
            f := compiledFunction(ex, name op, sy)$MKF
            ssolve(f(#1, monomial(1,1)$UTSSUPF), l)$TaylorSolve(F, UTSF,
            UTSSUPF)
@
%$

\section{Bugs}

<<inp: ssolve>>=
ssolve(sin f x / cos x, f, x, [1])$EXPRSOL(INT, EXPR INT, UFPS EXPR INT, UFPS
SUPEXPR EXPR INT)
@
returns
\begin{verbatim}
(((0 . 1) 0 . 1) NonNullStream #<compiled-function |STREAM;generate;M$;62!0|> . UNPRINTABLE)
\end{verbatim}

but
<<inp: ssolve>>=
U ==> UFPS SUPEXPR EXPR INT
ssolve(s +-> sin s *((cos monomial(1,1)$U)**-1)$U, f, x, [0])$EXPRSOL(INT, EXPR
INT, UFPS EXPR INT, UFPS SUPEXPR EXPR INT)
@

works. This is probably due to missing [[/]] in [[UFPS]].

\section{License}
<<license>>=
-- Copyright (C) 2006 Martin Rubey <Martin.Rubey@univie.ac.at>
--
-- This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or
-- modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as
-- published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of
-- the License, or (at your option) any later version.
--
-- This program is distributed in the hope that it will be
-- useful, but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied
-- warranty of MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR
-- PURPOSE. See the GNU General Public License for more details.
@


<<*>>=
<<license>>

<<dom: SUPEXPR SparseUnivariatePolynomialExpressions>>

<<pkg: UTSSOL TaylorSolve>>

<<pkg: EXPRSOL ExpressionSolve>>

@
\end{document}




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Greetings!  At least on unix, we have:

>(si::gettimeofday)

1.1666460602236531E9

for microsecond resolution.  Perhaps you could suggest a patch?  We
are in need of a windows developer.  Specifically, there is a windows
specific read.d patch which needs reverting and testing -- I've asked
several people to test but have received no replies.  I'd like to get
this out before 2.6.8 is release if possible.  

The patch should be on the mailing lists.  Out of the office for one
week.  Would be absolutely wonderful if someone could try this by
then. 

Take care,

"Stavros Macrakis" <macrakis@alum.mit.edu> writes:

> > (get-internal-real-time)) (float internal-time-units-per-second)))
> > By the way, I tried the above with Clisp, GCL, and SBCL on Linux.
> > The code is pure Common Lisp so it should work for other Lisps.
> > I would be interested to hear if it works correctly for GCL on Windows.
> 
> GCL on Windows apparently uses a 10 mS resolution real-time clock for
> both (get-internal-real-time) and (get-internal-run-time).  This is
> unfortunate -- Windows does provide several different high-resolution
> runtime clocks (but I'm not an expert in them).  Maybe there is
> already some other interface to the high-resolution runtime clock in
> GCL?
> 
>           -s
> 
> 
> 

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Greetings!  2.6.8pre uses an approximate scheme using the pid in the
file name, at least on unix.  Is this not available on windows?  cvs
head has (si::with-temp-file...) using mkstemp.  If this could be
ported to windows too, we could get gazonk to use this mechanism.  See
do-recompile in gcl_callhash.lsp for example usage.

It is not clear to me from the below if you are describing gcl
standard behavior, or the axiom modified behavior.

Out of office for one week.

Take care,

"Page, Bill" <Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca> writes:

> On Tuesday, December 19, 2006 1:30 AM Tim Daly wrote:
> > 
> > > > The gazonk-name function, previously discussed, should handle
> > > > this problem. I'm not sure why it wasn't applied.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Tim, is this a problem with Axiom or with GCL? If it is GCL
> > > has anyone submitted a patch?
> > 
> > ummm, that would be a source of debate i'd guess.
> > arguably there is a failure in axiom causing the file to remain.
> 
> What does Axiom care about temporary files generated by GCL?
> Isn't the goal just to compile and load a Lisp function?
> 
> > arguably there should never be a gcl failure leaving the file.
> >
> 
> Yes, probably.
>  
> > of course, if there are multiple users of the system you can have
> > name collisions because they are both writing to the same temp
> > file name and do not have permission to erase each others files.
> >
> 
> Do you mean to suggest that GCL can not be successfully used on a
> multi-user system? Surely this is not a problem with must software
> intended to run on unix/linux? There is a standard unix function
> to create unique temporary file names in a multi-user environment.
> 
> > perhaps these files are left around from a previously failing
> > axiom build. however axiom plays with the default system path
> > names of gcl so that, by design, it never writes outside of 
> > the build directory so this should not happen.
> > 
> 
> In my experience the gazonk files are always created in /tmp
> in all version of Axiom I have used so far - for both explicit
> SPAD compiles ")compile xxx.spad" and for implicit function
> compiles ")set function compile on". The axiom draw operation
> always seems to try to compile it's first argument and for some
> reason leaves some gazonk files in the /tmp directory - not only
> when it fails but all the time.  If the resulting gazonk file is
> owned by the current user then everything is ok. But if the file
> is owned by another user/group to which I do not have write
> access, then the next time someone else tries to use the Axiom
> draw function, an error like this:
> 
> >> System error: Cannot create the file /tmp/gazonk0.fn.
> 
> occurs. Does this error message originate with GCL or with
> something else that Axiom is trying to do with/too this file?
> 
> Regards,
> Bill Page.
> 
> 
> 

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Hello,

I run  
/usr/local/axiom-local/mnt/linux/bin/lib/noweave afile.pamphlet > afile.ltx

Then I compile 
latex afile.ltx

I get errors at the beginning of the latex compilation 
about \documentclass{article}

! LaTeX Error: Can be used only in preamble.

My $TEXINPUTS is :

.:/usr/share/texmf-tetex/tex/latex//:/home/fmy/Init-tex//:
/usr/local/axiom-local/mnt/linux/doc/src/algebra//:
/usr/local/axiom-local/mnt/linux/bin/tex//

The error is the same for all *.pamphlet file.

The result is a silly page with the text thefile.pamphlet0article axiom

The other pages are right.

Do you have any idea ?

Francois

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

This is pdfeTeX, Version 3.141592-1.21a-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.4)
entering extended mode
(./elemntry.ltx
LaTeX2e <2003/12/01>
Babel <v3.8d> and hyphenation patterns for american, french, german, ngerman, b
ahasa, basque, bulgarian, catalan, croatian, czech, danish, dutch, esperanto, e
stonian, finnish, greek, icelandic, irish, italian, latin, magyar, norsk, polis
h, portuges, romanian, russian, serbian, slovak, slovene, spanish, swedish, tur
kish, ukrainian, nohyphenation, loaded.
(/usr/share/texmf-tetex/tex/latex/base/article.cls
Document Class: article 2004/02/16 v1.4f Standard LaTeX document class
(/usr/share/texmf-tetex/tex/latex/base/size10.clo))
(/usr/local/axiom-local/mnt/linux/bin/tex/noweb.sty) (./elemntry.aux)

! LaTeX Error: Can be used only in preamble.

See the LaTeX manual or LaTeX Companion for explanation.
Type  H <return>  for immediate help.
 ...

l.1 ...ntry.pamphlet}\nwbegindocs{0}\documentclass
                                                  {article}
?
! Emergency stop.
 ...

l.1 ...ntry.pamphlet}\nwbegindocs{0}\documentclass
                                                  {article}
No pages of output.
Transcript written on elemntry.log.
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It seems you are creating a latex file with \documentclass appearing 
twice in it.

Have you tried "noweave -n"? And maybe you even have to add the option
-delay. Just try. Without knowing your file I cannot say anything more.

Ralf

On 12/21/2006 03:50 PM, Francois Maltey wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I run  
> /usr/local/axiom-local/mnt/linux/bin/lib/noweave afile.pamphlet > afile.ltx
> 
> Then I compile 
> latex afile.ltx
> 
> I get errors at the beginning of the latex compilation 
> about \documentclass{article}
> 
> ! LaTeX Error: Can be used only in preamble.
> 
> My $TEXINPUTS is :
> 
> .:/usr/share/texmf-tetex/tex/latex//:/home/fmy/Init-tex//:
> /usr/local/axiom-local/mnt/linux/doc/src/algebra//:
> /usr/local/axiom-local/mnt/linux/bin/tex//
> 
> The error is the same for all *.pamphlet file.
> 
> The result is a silly page with the text thefile.pamphlet0article axiom
> 
> The other pages are right.
> 
> Do you have any idea ?
> 
> Francois



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Hello Ralf, thanks a lot !

 Hemmecke <ralf@hemmecke.de> writes:

> It seems you are creating a latex file with \documentclass appearing
> twice in it.

With -n I got a lot of error.
The -delay option, with or without -n, seems right




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Martin Rubey wrote:

> it seems that I am quite difficult to understand. ... The
> package is attached below.

I would agree :-). Since you already have the package, I don't know why you are asking these
questions! Actually, after a preliminary reading your package, I have more questions than
answers. I have not yet tried your package and most likely, all these questions may go away once
I do that.

> Replace Aldor with SPAD if you like. But it seems to me that there is more hope to make things
> "generic" in Aldor...

I'm not sure about that. I am not convinced that Aldor is a more powerful language. It may have
a better compiler though (better error messages). But we have been through this, too.

> No, I didn't omit anything I need. Even if R = UTS(FRAC INT, x, 0), i.e., R has TRANFUN, I
> don't want to teach SUPEXPR to do something with sin(1+?*x). I guess you meant 1+?*x would be
> in SUPEXPR R. Obviously, 1+?*x is not in R, thus SUPEXPR *should* throw an error.

>From a user viewpoint, I was surprised that the authors of UTS and UPXS would allow a
coefficient domain that does not have enough transcendental constants to be lifted to a series
domain with transcendental functions. In your case, if you are not teaching SUPEXPR anything
(including expanding sin(1+?*x) in series) then I don't know why you need SUPEXPR or what it is
for. Do you mean just to "make" a domain similar to SUP F but just say it belong to the category
TRANFUN, without actually being so (much like UTS)?  Don't you need to expand things in series
at all? Even if you are relegating the users to provide the series map, where do you expect them
to obtain the series other than starting with EXPR?

> > The signature you proposed probably won't be ideal for the user because if
> > the map argument in solve involves transcendental functions, you will be in
> > trouble when it is to be evaluated.
>
> No. As long as F is "large" enough, it just works.

Well how "large"? Including transcendental constants? Which domain has them besides EXPR?

> > The problem you are interested in has nothing to do with differential
> > equations (it may have an application to differential equation) because it is
> > just solving an implicit equation in series or power series. So all that is
> > needed is an expression giving the implicit equation, where the dependent and
> > independent variables are given.
>
> Yes.

Do you restrict the implicit equation to be polynomial? Why do you consider an implicit equation
as a map from UTS to UTS? Say I want to solve the implicit equation x y(x) = 1 in power series
around x=1.  Do you want me to create a map from UTS(INT,x,1) to UTS(INT,x,1) by sending a
series s(x) to x s(x) - 1? And you would not allow implicit equation such as sin(y(x))=sqrt(x)
be entered that way, but you require the user to create a map sending a series s(x) to the
series expansion of sin(s(x))-sqrt(x) (so the user is responsible for the series expansion)? And
what would be the implicit equation you are to solve if the user actually inputs some map that
say takes a series s(x) = c0 + c1 (x-1) + t(x)  (where t(x) is the tail end of s(x)) to the
series c1 + c0(x-1) + t(x) (or some other ways of mangling the series such as swapping all
even-indexed coefficients with previous odd-coefficients and the result combined with other
operations)?

> > > Could you please try to re-phrase what you mean with
>
> > >   If you require your user to give input functions directly from
> > >   GR:=UPS(F,x,a), you will need to first "embed" GR to SGR:=UPS(SUP F,x,a),
>
> > > in particular, to make things precise, could you give the signature you
> > > propose for solve(...)?
>
> > Not sure what you are puzzled about. By "give input functions directly from
> > GR", I mean allowing the implicit equation to be given by expressions
> > involving a power series, which is probably a bad idea anyway since equations
> > are generally not given that way. The series expansion of any special or
> > transcendental function should be dealt with by the solve package (that is,
> > you).
>
> I don't understand. Nowhere I suggested to deal with expressions involving
> power series - assuming that, with "expressions" you refer to something like
> EXPR. So far I only considered maps from UTS -> UTS and, somewhat
> alternatively, elements of a FunctionSpace that I interpret as maps UTS -> UTS.

Even in UTS, which is of category TRANFUN, you are allowed to form "expressions" like sin, cos,
etc with arguments in UTS and supposedly returning elements in UTS. But unless the coefficient
ring has transcendental constants, sin and cos, etc. simply don't work in UTS. But, there is
nothing to prevent a user to use transcendental functions in the implicit equation (especially
if the implicit equation is not actually evaluated). Moreover, as indicated above, maps from UTS
to UTS can be very general and need not be given by a "formula" involving the argument s(x) in
UTS, but by an infinite stream of formulae for its (new) coefficients. And, if you allow using
f: UTSSUPF -> UTSSUPF, what is the implicit equation if f(s(x)) involves the main variable in
SUP F? Why do you treat f as if it has two arguments, as in f(x,y(x))? Is y(x) being substituted
into the main variable of SUP F? In that case, why must f involve it?  Are there any
restrictions on f for your package?

> > If you are asking about "embed", then perhaps you like the language of
> > category theory? Treat UTS(-,x,a) (sorry, UPS is not the correct
> > abbreviation) as a functor from Ring to Ring. Then we have the following
> > diagram:
>
> >                 F    ----->   UTS(F,x,a)
> >              id |                   | map
> >                 v                   v
> >              SUP(F) ---> UTS(SUP(F),x,a)
>
> In this picture, I guess that elements f of F are really implicit equations
> defining y(x) which get mapped to the power series expansion of the function
> y(x)?

No, I said treat UTS(-,x,a) as a functor. So the arrow F ----> UTS(F,x,a) simply associates a
ring F (an object of the ring category) with another ring UTS(F,x,a). In math notation,
suppressing the center a, it takes F to F[[x]]. It is NOT a set map that takes f in F to some g
in F[[x]] (even though of course, F can be embedded naturally in F[[x]]). The map id is a SET
map that takes f in F to f in SUP(F), thus inducing a SET map from on the right of the diagram.
Of course, both id and map are algebra homomorphisms over F.

William




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Hello,

An example, suppose I have x = a+b*c + 2/3 + 1/(d+1)

Is it possible to extract the 2/3 coefficient in this case.

// A // I can extract an integer coefficient in polynomial x = a+b*c + 4
thanks to the coefficient of null degree.

// B // I can extract a rational coefficient in this fraction 
polynomial integer x = a+b*c + 4/3 because the denominator is 
an integer : this constant is coefficient of null degree / denominator.

// C // I can extract a rational coefficient in this fraction polynomial 
integer x = a+b*c/d + 4/3 because the denominator is monic.
It's the remainder for a monic divide.

But I can't do it for the first example. Is it possible or not.

In this first example 2/3 is the better coefficient because
for other rational the fraction 1/(d+1) is worse, the numerator 
has a d : 2/3 + 1/(d+1) = 1+(-d+2)/(3d+3)

Of corse, it's possible to hace a=d, and then the degree argument is false

My aim is to simplify sin (.....+ m/n %pi) in +/- sin/cos (....+ k/n %pi)
where abs (k) is a smaller integer than m and n. The smallest one.

I have done the //A// case, I think I'm going to do the //B// case.
I don't know if it's a good idea to do the //C// case.
I don't know how to do the first example.

Francois, in France.



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| At long last I finally have an Axiom svn archive on Windows that
| I can really use! :-)

Great!

| Using the formula given by David Burley below, the new url for
| accessing the build-improvements branch at SourceForge is:
| 
| https://axiom.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/axiom/branches/build-improvements
| 
| The usual variations of this url can be used check out the trunk
| or other branches.

I concur that I was able to get whole Axiom svn repo in a go without a
fuss.  

I've now relocated my depot path.  For those who use SVK, one of my
Axiom depot paths is a direct mirror and the command is

    svk mirror --relocate /mirror/axiom https://axiom.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/axiom

where "/mirror/axiom" is my direct mirrored path to Axiom.

Thanks!

-- Gaby



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| That's excellent! Let me know how/if I can help. One thing I
| plan to do after you commit the recent change for the SPAD
| variable is to diff against axiom--windows--1. There were
| several patches to Axiom that as far as I know were never
| incorporated into the axiom--main--1 branch from which Axiom
| silver and build-improvements were cloned, although most of
| these might already be obsoleted by build-improvements. The
| most critical are probably some unix system dependencies such
| as 'rm' and 'mv' commands which should really be implemented
| in a more portable lisp manner.

Bill --

   Let me know when you get a chance to have a shot at this diff.

-- Gaby



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On December 26, 2006 2:44 AM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote:
> Bill Page writes:
> ...=20
> | That's excellent! Let me know how/if I can help. One thing I
> | plan to do after you commit the recent change for the SPAD
> | variable is to diff against axiom--windows--1. There were
> | several patches to Axiom that as far as I know were never
> | incorporated into the axiom--main--1 branch from which Axiom
> | silver and build-improvements were cloned, although most of
> | these might already be obsoleted by build-improvements. The
> | most critical are probably some unix system dependencies such
> | as 'rm' and 'mv' commands which should really be implemented
> | in a more portable lisp manner.
>=20
> Bill --
>=20
>    Let me know when you get a chance to have a shot at this diff.
>=20

Here is the list of patches that I was able to isolate between
axiom--windows--1 and the current build-improvements. These patches
where first applied to the axiom--windows--1 branch by Mike Thomas.
I think they probably represents the minimum changes necessary to
allow AXIOMsys to run on natively on Windows outside of an MSYS
shell.

-------

diff -r d4e8f2a7df42 src/interp/cfuns.lisp.pamphlet
--- a/src/interp/cfuns.lisp.pamphlet	Tue Dec 26 10:35:30 2006 +0000
+++ b/src/interp/cfuns.lisp.pamphlet	Fri Dec 29 16:15:41 2006 -0500
@@ -58,12 +58,23 @@
   (system:define-foreign-function :c '|copyEnvValue| :fixnum)
   )
=20
+;; Staged directoryp to deal with Windows/Unix stat differences.
 #+KCL
 (progn
-  (defentry |directoryp| (string)        (int "directoryp"))
+  (defentry |directoryp-c| (string)      (int "directoryp"))
+  (defentry |makedir-c| (string)           (int "makedir"))
   (defentry |writeablep| (string)        (int "writeablep"))
   (defentry |findString| (string string) (int "findString"))
   )
+
+#+KCL
+(defun |directoryp| (fn)
+  (cond ((not (probe-file fn)) -1)
+        ((|directoryp-c| fn) 1)
+        (t 0)))
+#+KCL
+(defun |makedir| (directory-name)
+  (|makedir-c| directory-name))
=20
 #+:CCL
 (defun |directoryp| (fn)
diff -r d4e8f2a7df42 src/interp/construc.lisp.pamphlet
--- a/src/interp/construc.lisp.pamphlet	Tue Dec 26 10:35:30 2006 +0000
+++ b/src/interp/construc.lisp.pamphlet	Fri Dec 29 16:15:41 2006 -0500
@@ -147,8 +147,8 @@
    (concatenate 'string $spadroot "/../../int/algebra/" (string name)
".NRLIB/code.lsp")))
  (let (masterindex blanks index newindex (space (* 22 (length
innames))))
  (setq newindex space)
- (system::system (concatenate 'string "rm -r " (libname outname)))
- (system::system (concatenate 'string "mkdir " (libname outname)))
+ (delete-file (libname outname))
+ (ensure-directories-exist (libname outname))
  (with-open-file (out (indexname outname) :direction :output)
   (setq blanks (make-string space :initial-element #\ ))
   (write  blanks :stream out)       ; reserve space for the masterindex
@@ -171,10 +171,11 @@
      (write alist :stream out :level nil :length nil :escape t)))))
   (file-position out 0)
   (print masterindex out))
+  (with-open-file (out (lspname outname) :direction :output)
   (dolist (inname innames)
-   (format t "cat ~a >>~a~%" (fullcode inname) (lspname outname))
-   (system::system=20
-    (format nil "cat ~a >>~a" (fullcode inname) (lspname outname)))))))
+     (format t "Appending file ~a to ~a~%" (fullcode inname) (lspname
outname))
+     (with-open-file (in (fullcode inname))
+      (si::copy-stream in out)))))))
=20
=20
 (defun |pathname| (p)
diff -r d4e8f2a7df42 src/interp/daase.lisp.pamphlet
--- a/src/interp/daase.lisp.pamphlet	Tue Dec 26 10:35:30 2006 +0000
+++ b/src/interp/daase.lisp.pamphlet	Fri Dec 29 16:15:41 2006 -0500
@@ -1246,7 +1246,7 @@ database.
     (setq filename  (concatenate 'string daase "/algebra/" name))
     (format t "   Using local database ~a.." filename))
    (setq filename (concatenate 'string $spadroot "/algebra/" name)))
-  (when erase? (system::system (concatenate 'string "rm -f "
filename)))
+  (when erase? (delete-file filename))
   filename))
=20
 ;; rewrite this so it works in mnt
diff -r d4e8f2a7df42 src/interp/i-syscmd.boot.pamphlet
--- a/src/interp/i-syscmd.boot.pamphlet	Tue Dec 26 10:35:30 2006 +0000
+++ b/src/interp/i-syscmd.boot.pamphlet	Fri Dec 29 16:23:12 2006 -0500
@@ -834,9 +834,9 @@ withAsharpCmd args =3D=3D
 --% )copyright -- display copyright notice
=20
 summary l =3D=3D
- OBEY STRCONC ('"cat ",getEnv('"AXIOM"),'"/lib/summary")
+ TYPE_-CONTENTS_-OF_-FILE STRCONC (getEnv('"AXIOM"),'"/lib/summary")
 copyright () =3D=3D
- OBEY STRCONC ('"cat ",getEnv('"AXIOM"),'"/lib/copyright")
+ TYPE_-CONTENTS_-OF_-FILE STRCONC (getEnv('"AXIOM"),'"/lib/copyright")
=20
 --% )credits -- display credit list
=20
diff -r d4e8f2a7df42 src/interp/nlib.lisp.pamphlet
--- a/src/interp/nlib.lisp.pamphlet	Tue Dec 26 10:35:30 2006 +0000
+++ b/src/interp/nlib.lisp.pamphlet	Fri Dec 29 16:15:41 2006 -0500
@@ -94,6 +94,9 @@ but has been changed to read:
              optionlist)))
=20
 (defun directory? (filename) (|directoryp| filename))
+;makedir (fname) fname is a directory name.
+#+:AKCL(defun makedir (fname) (|makedir| fname))
+
=20
 ;; (RDEFIOSTREAM ((MODE . IO) (FILE fn ft dir))) IO is I,O,INPUT,OUTPUT
 #+:AKCL
@@ -240,11 +243,6 @@ but has been changed to read:
     (file-position stream :end)
     (write-indextable indextable stream)))
=20
-;makedir (fname) fname is a directory name.
-#+:AKCL
-(defun makedir (fname)
-  (system (concat "mkdir " fname)))
-
 ;; (RREAD key rstream)
 (defun rread (key rstream &optional (error-val nil error-val-p))
   (if (equal (libstream-mode rstream) 'output) (error "not input
stream"))
diff -r d4e8f2a7df42 src/interp/sys-pkg.lisp.pamphlet
--- a/src/interp/sys-pkg.lisp.pamphlet	Tue Dec 26 10:35:30 2006 +0000
+++ b/src/interp/sys-pkg.lisp.pamphlet	Fri Dec 29 16:15:41 2006 -0500
@@ -114,7 +114,7 @@ provides support for compiler code.
 (lisp:export
     '(BOOT::|$FormalMapVariableList| BOOT::|$userModemaps|
 	 boot::restart boot::$IEEE
-	 BOOT::|directoryp| boot::help boot::|version| boot::|pp|
+	 BOOT::|directoryp| BOOT::|makedir| boot::help boot::|version|
boot::|pp|
 	 BOOT::POP-STACK-4 BOOT::|$BasicDomains| BOOT::|$DomainFrame|
 	 BOOT::|$SideEffectFreeFunctionList|
 	 BOOT::ATOM2STRING BOOT::|$DoubleQuote| BOOT::|$genSDVar|
@@ -220,7 +220,7 @@ provides support for compiler code.
 	 BOOT::GETTAIL BOOT::|QuotientField| BOOT::CURRENT-TOKEN
 	 BOOT::|$suffix| BOOT::|$VariableCount| BOOT::COMPARE
 	 LISP:SEQUENCE BOOT::|$Exit| BOOT::BOOT-EQUAL BOOT::LT
-	 VMLISP::OBEY BOOT::|UnSizedBox| BOOT::|Integer| BOOT::|Nud|
+	 VMLISP::OBEY BOOT::TYPE-CONTENTS-OF-FILE BOOT::|UnSizedBox|
BOOT::|Integer| BOOT::|Nud|
 	 BOOT::IOCLEAR BOOT::|$BigFloatOpt| BOOT::|$EmptyEnvironment|
 	 BOOT::|$forceDatabaseUpdate| BOOT::$LINESTACK BOOT::ULCASEFG
 	 BOOT::|$Boolean| BOOT::|$clamList| BOOT::COLLECT
@@ -330,7 +330,7 @@ provides support for compiler code.
 <<GCL.DEFINE-MACRO>>
 <<GCL.MEMQ>>
 <<GCL.PNAME>>
-	  BOOT:|directoryp|))
+	  BOOT:|directoryp| BOOT:|makedir|))
 (lisp:export
     '(VMLISP::SINTP VMLISP::$FCOPY=20
 <<GCL.DEFINE-MACRO>>
@@ -338,7 +338,7 @@ provides support for compiler code.
 <<GCL.PNAME>>
          VMLISP::PUT
 	 VMLISP::QVELT-1 VMLISP::QSETVELT-1 vmlisp::throw-protect
-	 VMLISP::|directoryp| VMLISP::EQCAR
+	 VMLISP::|directoryp| VMLISP::|makedir| VMLISP::EQCAR
 	 VMLISP::DEFIOSTREAM VMLISP::RDEFIOSTREAM VMLISP::MLAMBDA
 	 VMLISP::QSLESSP VMLISP::QSDIFFERENCE VMLISP::QSQUOTIENT
 	 VMLISP::ERROROUTSTREAM VMLISP::CREATE-SBC VMLISP::LASTPAIR
@@ -455,7 +455,7 @@ provides support for compiler code.
 (lisp:shadow '(BOOT::MAP))
 (lisp:import
     '(VMLISP::ERROROUTSTREAM LISP:COUNT VMLISP::NE VMLISP::FLUID
-	 LISP:SEQUENCE VMLISP::OBEY LISP::NUMBER VMLISP::|union|
+	 LISP:SEQUENCE VMLISP::OBEY BOOT::TYPE-CONTENTS-OF-FILE
LISP::NUMBER VMLISP::|union|
 	 LISP:STEP VMLISP::OPTIONLIST VMLISP::EXIT VMLISP::LEXGREATERP))
 (lisp:import '(vmlisp::make-input-filename))
 (lisp:import '(vmlisp::libstream-dirname))


---------

There are still some other places in the source that make
non-portable assumptions about the shell such as those
listed below. In general these will all eventually have
to be replaced with their portable lisp equivalents as in
the patches above.

$ egrep -e '(OBEY|"rm |"mv |"cat |"awk )' *.pamphlet
as.boot.pamphlet:  OBEY '"rm -f temp.text"
as.boot.pamphlet:  OBEY '"ls as/*.asy > temp.text"
bookvol5.pamphlet:  --OBEY STRCONC('"rm -rf ", file)
br-data.boot.pamphlet:  OBEY
br-data.boot.pamphlet:  --OBEY '"mv libdb.text olibdb.text"
br-data.boot.pamphlet:  OBEY '"rm olibdb.text"
br-data.boot.pamphlet:  OBEY STRCONC('"rm -f ",keypath)
br-data.boot.pamphlet:  OBEY STRCONC('"rm -f ",htpath)
br-data.boot.pamphlet:  obey '"rm libdb.text"
br-saturn.boot.pamphlet:--    OBEY  '"cat /tmp/sat.text"
br-saturn.boot.pamphlet:--OBEY '"rm libdb.text"
br-saturn.boot.pamphlet:  OBEY STRCONC('"sort -f _"",sin,'".text_" >
_"", sout, '".text_"")
br-saturn.boot.pamphlet:  OBEY STRCONC('"rm ", sin, '".text")
br-saturn.boot.pamphlet:--  --obey STRCONC('"mv ", before, '" ", after)
br-saturn.boot.pamphlet:--  obey STRCONC('"rm ",fn)
br-search.boot.pamphlet:  OBEY x
br-search.boot.pamphlet:  obey STRCONC('"rm -f ", pathname)
c-doc.boot.pamphlet:  OBEY '"rm docreport.input"
c-doc.boot.pamphlet:  OBEY STRCONC('"echo _")bo
setOutStream('",STRINGIMAGE nam,'")_" > temp.input")
c-doc.boot.pamphlet:  OBEY '"cat docreport.header temp.input >
docreport.input"
c-doc.boot.pamphlet:  OBEY STRCONC('"awk '/",STRINGIMAGE nam,'"/
{printf(_")co %s.spad\n_",$2)}' whofiles > temp.input")
c-doc.boot.pamphlet:  OBEY '"cat docreport.input temp.input >
temp1.input"
c-doc.boot.pamphlet:  OBEY '"cat temp1.input docreport.trailer >
docreport.input"
c-doc.boot.pamphlet:  OBEY '"rm temp.input"
c-doc.boot.pamphlet:  OBEY '"rm temp1.input"
c-doc.boot.pamphlet:  OBEY STRCONC('"awk '$2 =3D=3D
",quoteChar,filename,quoteChar,'" {print $1}' whofiles > /tmp/temp")
compat.boot.pamphlet:  sayMessage ["   Return Code =3D ", OBEY string]
compat.boot.pamphlet:    OBEY STRCONC('"notepad ", namestring pathname
file)
compat.boot.pamphlet:  OBEY STRCONC('"$AXIOM/lib/SPADEDIT ",namestring
pathname file)
daase.lisp.pamphlet:;;  (when erase? (system::system (concatenate
'string "rm -f " filename)))
debug.lisp.pamphlet:              (RETURN (OBEY "EXEC SPADEDIT /C
TELL")))
debug.lisp.pamphlet:          (OBEY
debug.lisp.pamphlet:      (OBEY "EXEC NORMEDIT TRACE TELL")
debug.lisp.pamphlet:      (if (member '? L :test #'eq) (RETURN (OBEY
"EXEC NORMEDIT TRACE TELL")))
debug.lisp.pamphlet:            (RETURN (OBEY (if (EQ (SYSID) 1)
debug.lisp.pamphlet:       ((member '? L :test #'eq) (OBEY "EXEC
NORMEDIT EMBED TELL"))
fortcall.boot.pamphlet:  -- SYSTEM STRCONC("rm -f ",tmpFile1,"
",tmpFile2)
fortcall.boot.pamphlet:  -- if objFiles then SYSTEM STRCONC("rm -f
",addSpaces objFiles)
g-util.boot.pamphlet:  OBEY
g-util.boot.pamphlet:;  OBEY
g-util.boot.pamphlet:(DEFUN |update| NIL (PROGN (OBEY (STRCONC
(MAKESTRING "SPADEDIT ") (STRINGIMAGE /VERSION) (MAKESTRING " ")
(STRINGIMAGE /WSNAME) (MAKESTRING " A"))) (/UPDATE)))=20
ht-root.boot.pamphlet:  -- OBEY STRCONC('"rm -f ", pathname)
ht-root.boot.pamphlet:  OBEY STRCONC('"$AXIOM/lib/hthits",'" _"",s,'"_"
",source,'" > ",target)
i-syscmd.boot.pamphlet:    rc :=3D OBEY command
i-syscmd.boot.pamphlet:        rc   :=3D OBEY cmd
i-syscmd.boot.pamphlet:    rc :=3D OBEY cmd
i-syscmd.boot.pamphlet:    OBEY STRCONC('"$AXIOM/lib/SPADEDIT
",namestring helpFile)
i-syscmd.boot.pamphlet:  OBEY command
nlib.lisp.pamphlet:        (si::system (format nil "mv ~S ~S~%"=20
nlib.lisp.pamphlet:   (system (concat "rm  -r " dirname)))
obey.lisp.pamphlet:(defun OBEY (S)
spad.lisp.pamphlet:(defun CLEARDATABASE () (OBEY "ERASE MODEMAP
DATABASE"))
spad.lisp.pamphlet:  (OBEY (STRCONC "ERASE " (STRINGIMAGE FN) " "
(STRINGIMAGE FT))))
spad.lisp.pamphlet:(defun CPSAY (X) (let (n) (if (EQ 0 (setq N (OBEY
X))) NIL (PRINT N))))
spad.lisp.pamphlet:             (OBEY (STRCONC "ERASE " (PNAME (CAR
/EDITFILE)) " NBOOT E1"))
sys-pkg.lisp.pamphlet:   LISP:SEQUENCE VMLISP::OBEY LISP:NUMBER
VMLISP::|union|
sys-pkg.lisp.pamphlet:   VMLISP::OBEY BOOT::TYPE-CONTENTS-OF-FILE
BOOT::|UnSizedBox| BOOT::|Integer| BOOT::|Nud|
sys-pkg.lisp.pamphlet:   VMLISP::CHANGELENGTH VMLISP::ECQ VMLISP::OBEY
VMLISP::QASSQ
sys-pkg.lisp.pamphlet:   LISP:SEQUENCE VMLISP::OBEY
BOOT::TYPE-CONTENTS-OF-FILE LISP::NUMBER VMLISP::|union|
util.lisp.pamphlet:  (obey "cat /tmp/boot.TAGS >> /tmp/TAGS"))
vmlisp.lisp.pamphlet:(defun OBEY (S)
vmlisp.lisp.pamphlet:(defun OBEY (S)
vmlisp.lisp.pamphlet:(defun OBEY (S) (SYSTEM S))
vmlisp.lisp.pamphlet:(defun OBEY (S) (excl::run-shell-command s))

----------

Finally, of course Axiom also requires gcc to compile
generated lisp to object code when compiling functions
and SPAD library code. To run Axiom completely natively on
Windows without MinGW installed, it is necessary to include
a subset of gcc as described here:

http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2005-01/msg00518.ht
ml

It is necessary that

    bin\gcc.exe
    bin\as.exe

be accessible in the Windows PATH.

Regards,
Bill Paqe.



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Gaby, Camm,

The most recent revision of build-improvements seems to
demonstrate a bug in gcl-2.6.8pre on Windows. The following
command generated a lisp error:

$ cd src/boot
$ ./../..//build/i686-pc-mingw32/bin/lisp.exe -batch -eval '(progn
(mapcar (function (lambda (x) (load x))) (quote ( "boothdr.o"
"exports.o"  "npextras.o"  "stage0/ptyout.o"  "stage0/btincl2.o"
"stage0/btscan2.o"  "stage0/typrops.o"  "
stage0/btpile2.o"  "stage0/typars.o"  "stage0/tytree1.o")))
(system::save-system "bootsys.exe"))'

Error: Unexpected end of #<string-input stream from "(progn (mapcar
(...">.
Fast links are on: do (si::use-fast-links nil) for debugging
Error signalled by SYSTEM:TOP-LEVEL.
Broken at SYSTEM:TOP-LEVEL.  Type :H for Help.
>>(quit)

-------

This works however if read via stdin.

$ echo '(progn (mapcar (function (lambda (x) (load x))) (quote (
"boothdr.o"  "exports.o"  "npextras.o"  "stage0/ptyout.o"
"stage0/btincl2.o"  "stage0/btscan2.o"  "stage0/typrops.o"
"stage0/btpile2.o"  "stage0/typars.o"  "stage0/tytree1.o")))
(system::save-system "bootsys.exe"))' |
./../..//build/i686-pc-mingw32/bin/lisp.exe

And it also works when replacing the unix / path separator with
the Windows \ path separator.

$ ./../..//build/i686-pc-mingw32/bin/lisp.exe -batch -eval '(progn
(mapcar (function (lambda (x) (load x))) (quote ( "boothdr.o"
"exports.o"  "npextras.o"  "stage0\\ptyout.o"  "stage0\\btincl2.o"
"stage0\\btscan2.o"  "stage0\\typrops.o
"  "stage0\\btpile2.o"  "stage0\\typars.o"  "stage0\\tytree1.o")))
(system::save-system "bootsys.exe"))'
Dumping from
C:/msys/1.0/home/bpage/axiom.test/build/i686-pc-mingw32/bin/lisp.exe
          to bootsys.exe
Copying executable up to data section...
        0x00000000 Offset in input file.
        0x00000000 Offset in output file.
        0x00136600 Size in bytes.
Dumping .data section...
        0x00538000 Address in process.
        0x00136600 Offset in output file.
        0x00009fa0 Size in bytes.
Copying rest of executable...
        0x001405a0 Offset in input file.
        0x001405a0 Offset in output file.
        0x00304d00 Size in bytes.
Dumping heap into executable...
        0x10100000 Heap start in process.
        0x00450000 Heap offset in executable.
        0x001b0000 Heap size in bytes.
Dumping .bss into executable...
        0x00553020 BSS start in process.
        0x00600000 BSS offset in executable.
        0x001152a0 BSS size in bytes.

---------

Perhaps there is something missing in the lisp reader
that evaluations the -eval string on Windows?

Regards,
Bill Page.



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| Gaby, Camm,
|
| The most recent revision of build-improvements seems to
| demonstrate a bug in gcl-2.6.8pre on Windows. The following
| command generated a lisp error:
|
| $ cd src/boot
| $ ./../..//build/i686-pc-mingw32/bin/lisp.exe -batch -eval '(progn
| (mapcar (function (lambda (x) (load x))) (quote ( "boothdr.o"
| "exports.o"  "npextras.o"  "stage0/ptyout.o"  "stage0/btincl2.o"
| "stage0/btscan2.o"  "stage0/typrops.o"  "
| stage0/btpile2.o"  "stage0/typars.o"  "stage0/tytree1.o")))
| (system::save-system "bootsys.exe"))'
|
| Error: Unexpected end of #<string-input stream from "(progn (mapcar
| (...">.
| Fast links are on: do (si::use-fast-links nil) for debugging
| Error signalled by SYSTEM:TOP-LEVEL.
| Broken at SYSTEM:TOP-LEVEL.  Type :H for Help.
| >>(quit)

I have not tested the build on Windows with the recen changes -- only
linux boxes.

| -------
|
| This works however if read via stdin.
|
| $ echo '(progn (mapcar (function (lambda (x) (load x))) (quote (
| "boothdr.o"  "exports.o"  "npextras.o"  "stage0/ptyout.o"
| "stage0/btincl2.o"  "stage0/btscan2.o"  "stage0/typrops.o"
| "stage0/btpile2.o"  "stage0/typars.o"  "stage0/tytree1.o")))
| (system::save-system "bootsys.exe"))' |
| ./../..//build/i686-pc-mingw32/bin/lisp.exe
|
| And it also works when replacing the unix / path separator with
| the Windows \ path separator.
|
| $ ./../..//build/i686-pc-mingw32/bin/lisp.exe -batch -eval '(progn
| (mapcar (function (lambda (x) (load x))) (quote ( "boothdr.o"
| "exports.o"  "npextras.o"  "stage0\\ptyout.o"  "stage0\\btincl2.o"
| "stage0\\btscan2.o"  "stage0\\typrops.o
| "  "stage0\\btpile2.o"  "stage0\\typars.o"  "stage0\\tytree1.o")))
| (system::save-system "bootsys.exe"))'

Nice detective work.

-- Gaby



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On Fri, 29 Dec 2006, Page, Bill wrote:

| On December 26, 2006 2:44 AM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote:
| > Bill Page writes:
| > ...
| > | That's excellent! Let me know how/if I can help. One thing I
| > | plan to do after you commit the recent change for the SPAD
| > | variable is to diff against axiom--windows--1. There were
| > | several patches to Axiom that as far as I know were never
| > | incorporated into the axiom--main--1 branch from which Axiom
| > | silver and build-improvements were cloned, although most of
| > | these might already be obsoleted by build-improvements. The
| > | most critical are probably some unix system dependencies such
| > | as 'rm' and 'mv' commands which should really be implemented
| > | in a more portable lisp manner.
| >
| > Bill --
| >
| >    Let me know when you get a chance to have a shot at this diff.
| >
|
| Here is the list of patches that I was able to isolate between
| axiom--windows--1 and the current build-improvements. These patches
| where first applied to the axiom--windows--1 branch by Mike Thomas.
| I think they probably represents the minimum changes necessary to
| allow AXIOMsys to run on natively on Windows outside of an MSYS
| shell.

Thanks!

-- Gaby



