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On Wed, 2006-05-31 at 11:01 -0400, Page, Bill wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 31, 2006 2:54 AM Gernot Hueber wrote:
>=20
> >=20
> > Due to that I want to call external library functions from
> > within Aldor/Axiom I did some trials with Aldors "Foreign"
> > and GCL "defentry" commands.
> >
>=20
> Great! I am very happy you are looking into this.
> =20
> > ...=20
> > Now, my questions:
> > .) s there a recommended/better way to call external functions
> > within Aldor/Axiom?
> > .) I think, the "defentry" part  could be added with an Aldor
> > "Foreign Lisp" call?
> > .) How can I "load", external libraries (e.g. nputs.o)?
> >=20
>=20
> See:
>=20
> http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/SandBoxAldorForeign
>=20
> The first section containing
>=20
>   (defentry |myprintf| (string) (int "printf"))
>=20
> is compiled as a lisp function but notice that it becomes
> part of the BOOT package.

Well, I don't get this point, but I have to admit, I have no
understanding of the BOOT package.

>=20
> Now we can compile some Aldor code that calls this function
> and then call the Aldor function from Axiom.
>=20
> For loading an external library did you try the usual Axiom
> command
>=20
>  )library nputs.o
>=20
> Or via lisp like this:
>=20
>  )lisp (load nputs.o)
>=20
> ?

Sorry, no success: )lib nputs.o gives me ")library cannot find the file
nputs.", )lisp (load nputs.o) returns "<< System error: The variable
NPUTS is unbound".

I am thinking of importing defentry into Aldor to define the C command
to Lisp. Something like
-------------
import {defentry: (??) -> ?} from Foreign Lisp;

-- call imported defentry to declare C command to underlying Lisp
defentry("printf","string","int");
-------------
Obviously the give syntax wont work. But you could move the Lisp
defentry into Aldor.



>=20
> Can you send me the example code for 'nputs.c'?

See for the full example: http://www.aldor.org/docs/HTML/chap19.html
----
/*
 * nputs.c: A simple C function.
 */
void
nputs(int n, char *s)
{
        int     i;
        for (i =3D 0; i < n; i++) puts(s);
}
-----

Regards

Gernot

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On Thursday, June 01, 2006 2:59 AM Gernot Hueber wrote:
> > > ...=20
> > > Now, my questions:
> > > .) s there a recommended/better way to call external functions
> > > within Aldor/Axiom?
> > > .) I think, the "defentry" part  could be added with an Aldor
> > > "Foreign Lisp" call?
> > > .) How can I "load", external libraries (e.g. nputs.o)?
> > >=20
> >=20
> > See:
> >=20
> > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/SandBoxAldorForeign
> >=20
> > The first section containing
> >=20
> >   (defentry |myprintf| (string) (int "printf"))
> >=20
> > is compiled as a lisp function but notice that it becomes
> > part of the BOOT package.
>=20
> Well, I don't get this point, but I have to admit, I have no
> understanding of the BOOT package.
>

"package" is a name space concept in common lisp. The
package name becomes part of the full name of a symbol
like this:

  BOOT::myprintf

BOOT is the name space used by Axiom.

When Aldor code is compiled in Axiom the symbols default to
a different package, therefore you must use the full name to
call myprint. In Aldor the : must be escaped by _ so it looks
rather messy

  BOOT_:_:myprintf

Of course there might be other ways to accomplish this. Maybe
someone more knowledgeable about lisp could help?

> >=20
> > For loading an external library did you try the usual Axiom
> > command
> >=20
> >  )library nputs.o
> >=20
> > Or via lisp like this:
> >=20
> >  )lisp (load nputs.o)
> >=20
> > ?
>=20
> Sorry, no success: )lib nputs.o gives me ")library cannot=20
> find the file nputs.", )lisp (load nputs.o) returns
> "<< System error: The variable NPUTS is unbound".

That's my confusion. I think what you need is (compiler::link ...)
but that is beyond my level of competitence with GCL. Lisp
users please help!

>=20
> I am thinking of importing defentry into Aldor to define the
> C command to Lisp. Something like
> -------------
> import {defentry: (??) -> ?} from Foreign Lisp;
>=20
> -- call imported defentry to declare C command to underlying Lisp
> defentry("printf","string","int");
> -------------
> Obviously the give syntax wont work. But you could move the Lisp
> defentry into Aldor.
>

I think you are right that Aldor should probably generate the
defentry but foreign language interface is still not that
standard in lisp, so what Aldor does might not be too portable.
Since the current versiono of open source Axiom uses gcl, the
foreign call mechanism would have to be compatible with this.

>=20
> >=20
> > Can you send me the example code for 'nputs.c'?
>=20
> See for the full example: http://www.aldor.org/docs/HTML/chap19.html
> ----
> /*
>  * nputs.c: A simple C function.
>  */
> void
> nputs(int n, char *s)
> {
>         int     i;
>         for (i =3D 0; i < n; i++) puts(s);
> }
> -----
>

Although I still cannot call this routine as an external
library routine, I was able to compile and call it from
inside Axiom. See my extended example at:
=20
http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/SandBoxAldorForeign

Regards,
Bill Page.



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--- "Page, Bill" <Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca> wrote:
>
> I think you are right that Aldor should probably generate the
> defentry but foreign language interface is still not that
> standard in lisp, so what Aldor does might not be too portable.
> Since the current versiono of open source Axiom uses gcl, the
> foreign call mechanism would have to be compatible with this.

GCL is actually at a bit of a disadvantage here, at least from a
standards point of view.  CFFI is becoming the "de-facto" standard Lisp
FFI, or at least is doing better at it than any previous effort.  GCL
doesn't yet support CFFI - I'm not sure if it requires ANSI to have a
hope of functioning but I wouldn't be surprised.

An interesting aside is the SWIG tool can apparently be used to
generate CFFI bindings for some libraries - http://www.swig.org/  I
don't know if this is particularly helpful to Axiom, but it is
certainly an interesting option to have available.

Cheers,
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> Now, my questions:
> .) Is there a recommended/better way to call external functions within
> Aldor/Axiom?
> .) I think, the "defentry" part  could be added with an Aldor "Foreign
> Lisp" call?
> .) How can I "load", external libraries (e.g. nputs.o)?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Gernot
> 

Looks ok, aside from the fact that you assume that axiom's
representation of SI and String are the same as lisp's - probably true,
but it may be better to uniformly use SExpression as the argument and
return types.

I think 'Foreign C' and 'Foreign Lisp' are treated identically when
generating lisp code - ideally either the compiler would generate an
error or produce the appropriate defentry when generating lisp for a
Foreign C symbol. 

I also have a vague recollection of being able to specify a package name
as part of the import - ie.
import { ... } from Foreign Lisp("BOOT");
but I may be confusing that with something else.  In any case, making
this more friendly may be possible with a bit of creative tinkering in
the aldor code.

No idea about loading external libraries..

Peter.



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Hi,

On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 11:48 -0400, Page, Bill wrote:
> On Thursday, June 01, 2006 2:59 AM Gernot Hueber wrote:
> > > > ... 
> > > > Now, my questions:
> > > > .) s there a recommended/better way to call external functions
> > > > within Aldor/Axiom?
> > > > .) I think, the "defentry" part  could be added with an Aldor
> > > > "Foreign Lisp" call?
> > > > .) How can I "load", external libraries (e.g. nputs.o)?
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > See:
> > > 
> > > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/SandBoxAldorForeign
> > > 
> > > The first section containing
> > > 
> > >   (defentry |myprintf| (string) (int "printf"))
> > > 
> > > is compiled as a lisp function but notice that it becomes
> > > part of the BOOT package.
> > 
> > Well, I don't get this point, but I have to admit, I have no
> > understanding of the BOOT package.
> >
> 
> "package" is a name space concept in common lisp. The
> package name becomes part of the full name of a symbol
> like this:
> 
>   BOOT::myprintf
> 
> BOOT is the name space used by Axiom.
> 
> When Aldor code is compiled in Axiom the symbols default to
> a different package, therefore you must use the full name to
> call myprint. In Aldor the : must be escaped by _ so it looks
> rather messy
> 
>   BOOT_:_:myprintf
> 
> Of course there might be other ways to accomplish this. Maybe
> someone more knowledgeable about lisp could help?
> 

Thanks for explaining this issue. Where/how did you place the defentry
line. It didn't work out for me with )lisp ?!

> > > 
> > > For loading an external library did you try the usual Axiom
> > > command
> > > 
> > >  )library nputs.o
> > > 
> > > Or via lisp like this:
> > > 
> > >  )lisp (load nputs.o)
> > > 
> > > ?
> > 
> > Sorry, no success: )lib nputs.o gives me ")library cannot 
> > find the file nputs.", )lisp (load nputs.o) returns
> > "<< System error: The variable NPUTS is unbound".
> 
> That's my confusion. I think what you need is (compiler::link ...)
> but that is beyond my level of competitence with GCL. Lisp
> users please help!
> 

Well, I never tried to use Lisp before using Axiom. What I found
googleing for compiler::link where examples generating a new lisp image
including addtional libs. Maybe it is possible to call functions from
this one??
My second idea was to use the dynamic loader (Linux: dlopen from libdl;
FreeBSD includes dlopen in libc), to load a missing library (converted
to from my custom object).
Actually Lisp told me, "dlopen" is not in the base image :-(
At least I expected it to be, because it is in libc.

faslink and FFI are not implemented in GCL (and/or Linux/BSD/...)


> > 
> > I am thinking of importing defentry into Aldor to define the
> > C command to Lisp. Something like
> > -------------
> > import {defentry: (??) -> ?} from Foreign Lisp;
> > 
> > -- call imported defentry to declare C command to underlying Lisp
> > defentry("printf","string","int");
> > -------------
> > Obviously the give syntax wont work. But you could move the Lisp
> > defentry into Aldor.
> >
> 
> I think you are right that Aldor should probably generate the
> defentry but foreign language interface is still not that
> standard in lisp, so what Aldor does might not be too portable.
> Since the current versiono of open source Axiom uses gcl, the
> foreign call mechanism would have to be compatible with this.
> 
> > 
> > > 
> > > Can you send me the example code for 'nputs.c'?
> > 
> > See for the full example: http://www.aldor.org/docs/HTML/chap19.html
> > ----
> > /*
> >  * nputs.c: A simple C function.
> >  */
> > void
> > nputs(int n, char *s)
> > {
> >         int     i;
> >         for (i = 0; i < n; i++) puts(s);
> > }
> > -----
> >
> 
> Although I still cannot call this routine as an external
> library routine, I was able to compile and call it from
> inside Axiom. See my extended example at:
>  
> http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/SandBoxAldorForeign
> 
Great. 

My idea of doing all that is to be able to integrate external libraries
into Axiom/Aldor. And there are plenty interesting candidates (e.g.
LAPACK, SDPA, ...)

Regards

Gernot




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Gernot Hueber <hueber@riic.at> writes:

> > > > For loading an external library did you try the usual Axiom
> > > > command
> > > > 
> > > >  )library nputs.o
> > > > 
> > > > Or via lisp like this:
> > > > 
> > > >  )lisp (load nputs.o)

This should read 

)lisp (load "nputs.o")

I guess.

Martin




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On Fri, 2006-06-02 at 12:08 +0200, Martin Rubey wrote:
> Gernot Hueber <hueber@riic.at> writes:
> 
> > > > > For loading an external library did you try the usual Axiom
> > > > > command
> > > > > 
> > > > >  )library nputs.o
> > > > > 
> > > > > Or via lisp like this:
> > > > > 
> > > > >  )lisp (load nputs.o)
> 
> This should read 
> 
> )lisp (load "nputs.o")

(1) -> )system ls npu*
nputs.c nputs.o
(1) -> )lisp (load "nputs.o")
[unknown global sym nputs]
   >> System error:
   Init address not found

(1) ->

Thanks for your idea.

Gernot

> 
> I guess.
> 
> Martin
> 




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Gernot,

It is best to address your GCL questions to Camm Maquire and the 
GCL mailing list:

Camm Maguire <camm@enhanced.com>
gcl-devel@gnu.org

and copy the axiom mailing list.

t



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On June 2, 2006 5:54 AM Gernot Hueber wrote:

> ... Where/how did you place the defentry line. It didn't
> work out for me with )lisp ?!
>

On this page

http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/SandBoxAldorForeign

the (defentry ... ) line is between

 \begin{lisp}
 ...
 \end{lisp}

which means that it gets compiled into the current Axiom/Lisp image.
 
> > 
> > That's my confusion. I think what you need is (compiler::link ...)
> > but that is beyond my level of competitence with GCL. Lisp
> > users please help!
> > 
> 
> Well, I never tried to use Lisp before using Axiom. What I found
> googleing for compiler::link where examples generating a new 
> lisp image including addtional libs. Maybe it is possible to call
> functions from this one??

Yes. As Tim Daly said, the best person and place to ask about this
is Camm Maguire <camm@enhanced.com> and gcl-devel@gnu.org but
Camm does also read this list so I hope he has time to reply.

> My second idea was to use the dynamic loader (Linux: dlopen 
> from libdl; FreeBSD includes dlopen in libc), to load a missing
> library (converted to from my custom object). Actually Lisp told
> me, "dlopen" is not in the base image :-( At least I expected it
> to be, because it is in libc.
> 
> faslink and FFI are not implemented in GCL (and/or Linux/BSD/...)
>

I think that is the right idea. As I understand it gcl can be
compiled with dlopen as an option but I don't know anything more
about it than that.
 
> > 
> > Although I still cannot call this routine as an external
> > library routine, I was able to compile and call it from
> > inside Axiom. See my extended example at:
> >  
> > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/SandBoxAldorForeign
> > 
> Great. 
> 
> My idea of doing all that is to be able to integrate external 
> libraries into Axiom/Aldor. And there are plenty interesting
> candidates (e.g. LAPACK, SDPA, ...)
> 

+1

Here, here!

Regards,
Bill Page.





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Dear Tim,

here is a patch for Issue 295. I assume that you are going to check it in for
patch 50. If this is not the case, you have to replace [[patch--50]] with the
appropriate patch number, as always.


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--- perm.spad.pamphlet	2006-06-04 12:36:44.000000000 +0200
+++ perm.spad.pamphlet.alt	2006-06-04 12:01:23.000000000 +0200
@@ -60,7 +60,7 @@
 )abbrev domain PERM Permutation
 ++ Authors: Johannes Grabmeier, Holger Gollan
 ++ Date Created: 19 May 1989
-++ Date Last Updated: 2 June 2006
+++ Date Last Updated: 24 May 1991
 ++ Basic Operations: _*, degree, movedPoints, cyclePartition, order,
 ++  numberOfCycles, sign, even?, odd?
 ++ Related Constructors: PermutationGroup, PermutationGroupExamples
@@ -96,16 +96,13 @@
       ++ listRepresentation(p) produces a representation {\em rep} of
       ++ the permutation p as a list of preimages and images, i.e
       ++ p maps {\em (rep.preimage).k} to {\em (rep.image).k} for all
-      ++ indices k. Elements of \spad{S} not in {\em (rep.preimage).k}
-      ++ are fixed points, and these are the only fixed points of the 
-      ++ permutation.
+      ++ indices k.
     coercePreimagesImages : List List S   ->  %
       ++ coercePreimagesImages(lls) coerces the representation {\em lls}
       ++ of a permutation as a list of preimages and images to a permutation.
-      ++ We assume that both preimage and image do not contain repetitions.
     coerce            :  List List S      ->  %
       ++ coerce(lls) coerces a list of cycles {\em lls} to a
-      ++ permutation, each cycle being a list with no
+      ++ permutation, each cycle being a list with not
       ++ repetitions, is coerced to the permutation, which maps
       ++ {\em ls.i} to {\em ls.i+1}, indices modulo the length of the list,
       ++ then these permutations are mutiplied.
@@ -159,24 +156,13 @@
         ++ whose image is given by {\em ls} and the preimage is fixed
         ++ to be {\em [1,...,n]}.
         ++ Note: {coerceImages(ls)=coercePreimagesImages([1,...,n],ls)}.
-        ++ We assume that both preimage and image do not contain repetitions.
 
   private ==> add
 
     -- representation of the object:
 
     Rep  := V L S
-@
-
-We represent a permutation as two lists of equal length representing preimages
-and images of moved points. I.e., fixed points do not occur in either of these
-lists. This enables us to compute the set of fixed points and the set of moved
-points easily.
 
-Note that this was not respected in versions before [[patch--50]] of this
-domain.
-
-<<domain PERM Permutation>>=
     -- import of domains and packages
 
     import OutputForm
@@ -281,35 +267,9 @@
       s : RECPRIM := [p.1,p.2]
 
     coercePreimagesImages preImageAndImage ==
-      preImage: List S := []
-      image: List S := []
-      for i in preImageAndImage.1 
-        for pi in preImageAndImage.2 repeat
-          if i ~= pi then
-            preImage := cons(i, preImage)
-            image := cons(pi, image)
-
-      [preImage, image]
-@ 
-
-This operation transforms a pair of preimages and images into an element of the
-domain. Since we assume that fixed points do not occur in the representation,
-we have to sort them out here. 
-
-Note that before [[patch--50]] this read
-\begin{verbatim}
-      coercePreimagesImages preImageAndImage ==
       p : % := [preImageAndImage.1,preImageAndImage.2]
-\end{verbatim}
-causing bugs when computing [[movedPoints]], [[fixedPoints]], [[even?]],
-[[odd?]], etc., as reported in Issue~\#295.
-
-The other coercion facilities check for fixed points. It also seems that [[*]]
-removes fixed points from its result.
 
-<<domain PERM Permutation>>=
-
-    movedPoints p == construct p.1
+    movedPoints p == construct p.1  --check on fixed points !!
 
     degree p ==  #movedPoints p
 
@@ -454,22 +414,14 @@
 
       coerceImages (image) ==
         preImage : L S := [i::S for i in 1..maxIndex image]
-        coercePreimagesImages [preImage,image]
-@
-
-Up to [[patch--50]] we did not check for duplicates.
+        p : % := [preImage,image]
 
-<<domain PERM Permutation>>=
     if S has Finite then
 
       coerceImages (image) ==
         preImage : L S := [index(i::PI)::S for i in 1..maxIndex image]
-        coercePreimagesImages [preImage,image]
-@
-
-Up to [[patch--50]] we did not check for duplicates.
+        p : % := [preImage,image]
 
-<<domain PERM Permutation>>=
       fixedPoints ( p ) == complement movedPoints p
 
       cyclePartition p ==

--=-=-=


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patch applied. thanks.
available in the next release (patch-50)

can you send an input file that tests the new functionality?

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--=-=-=

Here you go, a new patch including a test case. Thanks for the reminder.

We really should switch to using ALLPROSE, it's MUCH better than the current
pamphlet stuff. Maybe someone could even backport Christian Aistleitners unit
test packages... it uses libaldor :-(

Is there a plan how to convince stephen watt to free aldor at the Bronstein
conference?


--=-=-=
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--- perm.spad.pamphlet	2006-06-05 02:58:29.000000000 +0200
+++ /home/martin/axiom--main--1--patch-26/src/algebra/perm.spad.pamphlet	2005-01-25 15:53:20.000000000 +0100
@@ -60,7 +60,7 @@
 )abbrev domain PERM Permutation
 ++ Authors: Johannes Grabmeier, Holger Gollan
 ++ Date Created: 19 May 1989
-++ Date Last Updated: 2 June 2006
+++ Date Last Updated: 24 May 1991
 ++ Basic Operations: _*, degree, movedPoints, cyclePartition, order,
 ++  numberOfCycles, sign, even?, odd?
 ++ Related Constructors: PermutationGroup, PermutationGroupExamples
@@ -96,16 +96,13 @@
       ++ listRepresentation(p) produces a representation {\em rep} of
       ++ the permutation p as a list of preimages and images, i.e
       ++ p maps {\em (rep.preimage).k} to {\em (rep.image).k} for all
-      ++ indices k. Elements of \spad{S} not in {\em (rep.preimage).k}
-      ++ are fixed points, and these are the only fixed points of the 
-      ++ permutation.
+      ++ indices k.
     coercePreimagesImages : List List S   ->  %
       ++ coercePreimagesImages(lls) coerces the representation {\em lls}
       ++ of a permutation as a list of preimages and images to a permutation.
-      ++ We assume that both preimage and image do not contain repetitions.
     coerce            :  List List S      ->  %
       ++ coerce(lls) coerces a list of cycles {\em lls} to a
-      ++ permutation, each cycle being a list with no
+      ++ permutation, each cycle being a list with not
       ++ repetitions, is coerced to the permutation, which maps
       ++ {\em ls.i} to {\em ls.i+1}, indices modulo the length of the list,
       ++ then these permutations are mutiplied.
@@ -159,24 +156,13 @@
         ++ whose image is given by {\em ls} and the preimage is fixed
         ++ to be {\em [1,...,n]}.
         ++ Note: {coerceImages(ls)=coercePreimagesImages([1,...,n],ls)}.
-        ++ We assume that both preimage and image do not contain repetitions.
 
   private ==> add
 
     -- representation of the object:
 
     Rep  := V L S
-@
-
-We represent a permutation as two lists of equal length representing preimages
-and images of moved points. I.e., fixed points do not occur in either of these
-lists. This enables us to compute the set of fixed points and the set of moved
-points easily.
 
-Note that this was not respected in versions before [[patch--50]] of this
-domain.
-
-<<domain PERM Permutation>>=
     -- import of domains and packages
 
     import OutputForm
@@ -281,46 +267,9 @@
       s : RECPRIM := [p.1,p.2]
 
     coercePreimagesImages preImageAndImage ==
-      preImage: List S := []
-      image: List S := []
-      for i in preImageAndImage.1 
-        for pi in preImageAndImage.2 repeat
-          if i ~= pi then
-            preImage := cons(i, preImage)
-            image := cons(pi, image)
-
-      [preImage, image]
-@ 
-
-This operation transforms a pair of preimages and images into an element of the
-domain. Since we assume that fixed points do not occur in the representation,
-we have to sort them out here. 
-
-Note that before [[patch--50]] this read
-\begin{verbatim}
-      coercePreimagesImages preImageAndImage ==
       p : % := [preImageAndImage.1,preImageAndImage.2]
-\end{verbatim}
-causing bugs when computing [[movedPoints]], [[fixedPoints]], [[even?]],
-[[odd?]], etc., as reported in Issue~\#295.
-
-The other coercion facilities check for fixed points. It also seems that [[*]]
-removes fixed points from its result.
-
-<<TEST PERM>>=
-  p := coercePreimagesImages([[1,2,3],[1,2,3]])
-  movedPoints p    -- should return {}
-  even? p          -- should return true
-  p := coercePreimagesImages([[0,1,2,3],[3,0,2,1]])$PERM ZMOD 4
-  fixedPoints p    -- should return {2}
-  q := coercePreimagesImages([[0,1,2,3],[1,0]])$PERM ZMOD 4
-  fixedPoints(p*q) -- should return {2,0}
-  even?(p*q)       -- should return false
-@
 
-<<domain PERM Permutation>>=
-
-    movedPoints p == construct p.1
+    movedPoints p == construct p.1  --check on fixed points !!
 
     degree p ==  #movedPoints p
 
@@ -465,22 +414,14 @@
 
       coerceImages (image) ==
         preImage : L S := [i::S for i in 1..maxIndex image]
-        coercePreimagesImages [preImage,image]
-@
-
-Up to [[patch--50]] we did not check for duplicates.
+        p : % := [preImage,image]
 
-<<domain PERM Permutation>>=
     if S has Finite then
 
       coerceImages (image) ==
         preImage : L S := [index(i::PI)::S for i in 1..maxIndex image]
-        coercePreimagesImages [preImage,image]
-@
-
-Up to [[patch--50]] we did not check for duplicates.
+        p : % := [preImage,image]
 
-<<domain PERM Permutation>>=
       fixedPoints ( p ) == complement movedPoints p
 
       cyclePartition p ==

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> Here you go, a new patch including a test case. Thanks for the reminder.

Thanks. I'll repatch it.



> We really should switch to using ALLPROSE, it's MUCH better than the current
> pamphlet stuff. Maybe someone could even backport Christian Aistleitners unit
> test packages... it uses libaldor :-(

augh. perhaps if/when we switch to an open source aldor. 
i'd rather not take another 6 months away from my current work
just to recode the system into a different literate form without
adding additional content. i'd rather the process be incremental
as we recode in aldor and write documentation for the domains.

i am, however, willing to try to use ALLPROSE if someone is willing
to do the patches to the makefiles to integrate the ALLPROSE machinery
as well as rewriting one of the files into ALLPROSE. That's a big task.

an even more useful subtask would be to recode the literate tool into aldor.
then we can use and enhance our own literate tool without requiring the
awk/gawk/nawk/sed/perl/C pile.

it might be easier to accomplish an ALLPROSE rewrite once i finish the
next release of volume 4 of the books. in response to a criticism,
i've been trying to update the "developer's guide" (volume 4) to
include a detailed description of the build process. once that
completes i'm going to clean up volume 4 some more and add it to the
release. of course, adding ALLPROSE means rewriting this description
but that will have to happen anyway.




> Is there a plan how to convince stephen watt to free aldor at the Bronstein
> conference?

a plan? is begging a plan? i suspect Stephen has already worked on trying to 
open source Aldor. he knows there is interest and he is aware of the
petition page. because there are legal issues to check it can take time.
NAG took a long time from first request (august 2000) to release (sept 2001)
and they have a dedicated legal team. from the outside it always looks like
nothing is happening but i've spent months chasing the legal permission path
for some of the axiom documentation (e.g. thesis work, bronstein's latest
work, etc.). the legal process has a glacial quality about it.

i do plan to talk to Stephen and Mike about it at ISSAC.

perhaps with Stephen's permission NAG could dual-license the aldor sources
so they use the Modified BSD like the rest of the system. Mike Dewar might
have an opinion on this path. i haven't seen the contract between them so
i'm not sure if it includes an 'exclusive' clause. if not NAG should be
free to dual-license it. if so, Stephen's permission should be enough to
modify the contract provided it was in writing. if the copyrights transferred
in toto, which did not happen with Axiom, then Stephen has the full rights
to the copyright. i was not privy to any of these discussions.

there is no such thing as a simple job.

t





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axiom is made of of many layers, and the interface between the parser
and the rest of the system occurs at pf2sex. (parse form to s-expression).

one of the tasks i'm working on is reverse engineering the pf2sex interface.
once i figure out the various data structures and their associated methods
someone can consider the problem of changing the parser (and thus the input
language) used by axiom. this would likely be useful information for anyone
interested in a B-natural language design.

i'll publish the api in volume 4 once it is complete.

t





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Martin Rubey <martin.rubey@univie.ac.at> writes:

| Here you go, a new patch including a test case. Thanks for the reminder.

Hi Martin,

  I tried to apply the patch to the silver branch but patch says it is
already there.  Is that correct?

Thanks!

-- Gaby



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root <daly@axiom-developer.org> writes:

[...]

| it might be easier to accomplish an ALLPROSE rewrite once i finish the
| next release of volume 4 of the books. in response to a criticism,
| i've been trying to update the "developer's guide" (volume 4) to
| include a detailed description of the build process. once that
| completes i'm going to clean up volume 4 some more and add it to the
| release. 

Tim --

  Please could you put the incremental/intermediate versions on the
silver branch?

Thanks!

-- Gaby



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root <daly@axiom-developer.org> writes:

| axiom is made of of many layers, and the interface between the parser
| and the rest of the system occurs at pf2sex. (parse form to s-expression).
| 
| one of the tasks i'm working on is reverse engineering the pf2sex interface.
| once i figure out the various data structures and their associated methods
| someone can consider the problem of changing the parser (and thus the input
| language) used by axiom. this would likely be useful information for anyone
| interested in a B-natural language design.

Yes, please!  And thanks for bumping this on the top of the todo list.

Also, I have been looking for the a formal grammar description of SPAD.
Where can I find it?  The AXIOM book seems silent about it....

-- Gaby



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Gabriel Dos Reis <gdr@cs.tamu.edu> writes:

> Martin Rubey <martin.rubey@univie.ac.at> writes:
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> | Here you go, a new patch including a test case. Thanks for the reminder.
> 
> Hi Martin,
> 
>   I tried to apply the patch to the silver branch but patch says it is
> already there.  Is that correct?

Very likely I confused

diff new old > patch

with

diff old new > patch

so patch is confused now... Usually patch says something like

Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!  Assume -R? [n]

if you say "yes", it should work out...

Martin




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Gabriel Dos Reis <gdr@cs.tamu.edu> writes:

> Also, I have been looking for the a formal grammar description of SPAD.
> Where can I find it?  The AXIOM book seems silent about it....

Forget about SPAD, go for Aldor. The formal description of aldor starts on page
239 (Chapter 22) of the Aldor User Guide. Christian Aistleitner once pointed
out that it is not completely correct, you have to ask him for details. (He
even wrote a parser for Aldor in Aldor once, so he knows...)

The SPAD grammar should be more or less a subset of Aldor. But again: forget
about SPAD.

Martin




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yes, i saw that the patch is reversed.
but i hand-patch anyway so it had no effect. --t



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On Mon, 5 Jun 2006, Martin Rubey wrote:

| Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!  Assume -R? [n]
|
| if you say "yes", it should work out...

I did want to confirm before doing anything.  Thanks!

-- Gaby



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On Mon, 5 Jun 2006, Martin Rubey wrote:

| Gabriel Dos Reis <gdr@cs.tamu.edu> writes:
|
| > Also, I have been looking for the a formal grammar description of SPAD.
| > Where can I find it?  The AXIOM book seems silent about it....
|
| Forget about SPAD, go for Aldor.

The source code of the Aldor compiler is not available; SPAD's is.  I
heard there are talks tomove on that front, but how long we have to wait.
I cannot tell my students to wait till next year or so.
Yes, of course I can initiate a mini project where where they will
build an Aldor-like translator, but I rather have them start with a
base code and add transformations or type system convenient features.

| The formal description of aldor starts on page
| 239 (Chapter 22) of the Aldor User Guide. Christian Aistleitner once pointed
| out that it is not completely correct, you have to ask him for details. (He
| even wrote a parser for Aldor in Aldor once, so he knows...)

OK, thanks for the info.

-- Gaby



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Gabriel Dos Reis <gdr@cs.tamu.edu> writes:

> On Mon, 5 Jun 2006, Martin Rubey wrote:
> 
> | Gabriel Dos Reis <gdr@cs.tamu.edu> writes:
> |
> | > Also, I have been looking for the a formal grammar description of SPAD.
> | > Where can I find it?  The AXIOM book seems silent about it....
> |
> | Forget about SPAD, go for Aldor.

> The source code of the Aldor compiler is not available; SPAD's is.  I heard
> there are talks tomove on that front, but how long we have to wait.  I cannot
> tell my students to wait till next year or so.

> Yes, of course I can initiate a mini project where where they will build an
> Aldor-like translator, but I rather have them start with a base code and add
> transformations or type system convenient features.

A very useful project -- of course, I don't know whether it fits your needs --
would be the following:

The Aldor interpreter is very weak, it segfaults quite often, it has no way to
figure out "likely" types and so on.

So maybe, you and your students could figure out how to make the axiom
interpreter do the type guessing etc., but then call the aldor compiler,
instead of using SPAD. (If this description is too vague, please complain!)

The benefit would be that we would have Aldors power available at the
interpreter level.

I guess you know already that SPAD has various shortcomings, the two major ones
probably being: 

* Types are not first class objects (i.e., no Lists of Types), 

* SPAD doesn't have truly dependent types.

Martin




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>> We really should switch to using ALLPROSE, it's MUCH better than the current
>> pamphlet stuff.

Thank you, Martin, for pushing this.

> augh. perhaps if/when we switch to an open source aldor. 
> i'd rather not take another 6 months away from my current work
> just to recode the system into a different literate form without
> adding additional content. i'd rather the process be incremental
> as we recode in aldor and write documentation for the domains.

Tim, there is nothing really fancy about ALLPROSE. There is no need to 
rewrite lots of text. It uses Noweb and the documentation is compiled 
through TeX so what do you fear?

However, there are a few things that have to be done until something 
like ALLPROSE can be applied to the Axiom sources.

1) ALLPROSE is currently made to support programming libraries written 
in Aldor. That basically says that it would first of all apply to the 
ALGEBRA subdirectory of Axiom. And it is probably best suited if it is 
applied during the translation/documenation of SPAD to Aldor.

2) ALLPROSE adds a few LaTeX commands in order to introduce a long 
missing convention of how the ++ comments should be documented.
That means rewriting the ALGEBRA sources and adding documentation in a 
predefined way.

3) ALLPROSE or better some ideas of it could be used also for other 
parts of the Axiom sources, but that will need some more thoughts. I had 
once started it, but got lost into the version control world and then 
had other things to do.

4) ALLPROSE is GPL2.0 and I don't want to change it (currently). So the 
way to go is to include ALLPROSE under the zips directory and add code 
to the Makefiles to extract it to the appropriate place.

> i am, however, willing to try to use ALLPROSE if someone is willing
> to do the patches to the makefiles to integrate the ALLPROSE machinery
> as well as rewriting one of the files into ALLPROSE. That's a big task.

I'll do this if I find time. It is certainly a big task for someone not 
so familiar with that machinery. But Tim, I hope you can live with 
another dependency. ALLPROSE heavily uses PERL. Fortunately, I just need 
the standard PERL no additional modules.

> an even more useful subtask would be to recode the literate tool into aldor.
> then we can use and enhance our own literate tool without requiring the
> awk/gawk/nawk/sed/perl/C pile.

If someone is going to do this, then I would very much like to keep as 
compatible as possible to noweb.

> it might be easier to accomplish an ALLPROSE rewrite once i finish the
> next release of volume 4 of the books. in response to a criticism,
> i've been trying to update the "developer's guide" (volume 4) to
> include a detailed description of the build process. once that
> completes i'm going to clean up volume 4 some more and add it to the
> release. of course, adding ALLPROSE means rewriting this description
> but that will have to happen anyway.

Once again, I don't think that adding ALLPROSE means lots of rewriting.
It rather means to group files together to get one big .dvi for each 
group, for example for the algebra or interp directory, instead of one 
.dvi for each .pamphlet file. In the ALLPROSE (documentation) view. 
.pamphlet files are rather considered to be like .tex files that are 
included into a master document. The gain is that one can hyperlink over 
different .pamphlet files (well, of course one has to tag at certain 
places, for example using the \defineterm and \useterm commands.

Ralf (the author of ALLPROSE)





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Hello,

On 6/5/06, Gabriel Dos Reis <gdr@cs.tamu.edu> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 5 Jun 2006, Martin Rubey wrote:
>
> | Gabriel Dos Reis <gdr@cs.tamu.edu> writes:
> |
> | > Also, I have been looking for the a formal grammar description of
> SPAD.
> | > Where can I find it?  The AXIOM book seems silent about it....
> |
> | Forget about SPAD, go for Aldor.
>
> The source code of the Aldor compiler is not available; SPAD's is.  I
> heard there are talks tomove on that front, but how long we have to wait.
> I cannot tell my students to wait till next year or so.
> Yes, of course I can initiate a mini project where where they will
> build an Aldor-like translator, but I rather have them start with a
> base code and add transformations or type system convenient features.


My personal experience with SPAD was quite painful, dumping pages of sexp as
error message for example.

I am developing my holonomic packages in Aldor with libAxiom and even if
there is still some rough edges the experience is more enjoyable.
The documentation is way better, the compiler as better error message
functionality.

I think the type system need a more formal description, I will like better
inferencing, but as the type system is very complex I am not sure this can
be done soundly.

My CS grad student two cents will go that is better to focus your effort on
Aldor.
I am not sure on how, bringing SPAD up to speed ? A new implementation of
Aldor, maybe just an interpreter ?

I think implementing an Aldor interpreter in one of the ML should be fairly
doable and will be an interesting project due to it's type system( I have no
experience implementing interpreter/compiler in Lisp)

Regards,
Antoine Hersen

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Hello,<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 6/5/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Gabriel Dos Reis</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:gdr@cs.tamu.edu">gdr@cs.tamu.edu</a>&gt; wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
On Mon, 5 Jun 2006, Martin Rubey wrote:<br><br>| Gabriel Dos Reis &lt;<a href="mailto:gdr@cs.tamu.edu">gdr@cs.tamu.edu</a>&gt; writes:<br>|<br>| &gt; Also, I have been looking for the a formal grammar description of SPAD.
<br>| &gt; Where can I find it?&nbsp;&nbsp;The AXIOM book seems silent about it....<br>|<br>| Forget about SPAD, go for Aldor.<br><br>The source code of the Aldor compiler is not available; SPAD's is.&nbsp;&nbsp;I<br>heard there are talks tomove on that front, but how long we have to wait.
<br>I cannot tell my students to wait till next year or so.<br>Yes, of course I can initiate a mini project where where they will<br>build an Aldor-like translator, but I rather have them start with a<br>base code and add transformations or type system convenient features.
</blockquote><div><br>My personal experience with SPAD was quite painful, dumping pages of sexp as error message for example.<br><br>I am developing my holonomic packages in Aldor with libAxiom and even if there is still some rough edges the experience is more enjoyable.
<br>The documentation is way better, the compiler as better error message functionality.<br><br>I think the type system need a more formal description, I will like better inferencing, but as the type system is very complex I am not sure this can be done soundly.
<br><br>My CS grad student two cents will go that is better to focus your effort on Aldor.<br>I am not sure on how, bringing SPAD up to speed ? A new implementation of Aldor, maybe just an interpreter ?<br><br>I think implementing an Aldor interpreter in one of the ML should be fairly doable and will be an interesting project due to it's type system( I have no experience implementing interpreter/compiler in Lisp)
<br><br>Regards,<br>Antoine Hersen<br></div></div>

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On Mon, 5 Jun 2006, Martin Rubey wrote:

| Gabriel Dos Reis <gdr@cs.tamu.edu> writes:
|
| > On Mon, 5 Jun 2006, Martin Rubey wrote:
| >
| > | Gabriel Dos Reis <gdr@cs.tamu.edu> writes:
| > |
| > | > Also, I have been looking for the a formal grammar description of SPAD.
| > | > Where can I find it?  The AXIOM book seems silent about it....
| > |
| > | Forget about SPAD, go for Aldor.
|
| > The source code of the Aldor compiler is not available; SPAD's is.  I heard
| > there are talks tomove on that front, but how long we have to wait.  I cannot
| > tell my students to wait till next year or so.
|
| > Yes, of course I can initiate a mini project where where they will build an
| > Aldor-like translator, but I rather have them start with a base code and add
| > transformations or type system convenient features.
|
| A very useful project -- of course, I don't know whether it fits your needs --
| would be the following:

I think it is a good idea, given the current constraints.

| The Aldor interpreter is very weak, it segfaults quite often, it has no way to
| figure out "likely" types and so on.
|
| So maybe, you and your students could figure out how to make the axiom
| interpreter do the type guessing etc., but then call the aldor compiler,
| instead of using SPAD. (If this description is too vague, please complain!)

Yes, type inference is of the area that I was thinking of.  Aldor's
requirement of System F-style explicit polymorphism is way too heavy.
We should have syntaxes so that in the simple cases, the system infers
the type -- full type inference in unreasonable and foolish to seek for.

| The benefit would be that we would have Aldors power available at the
| interpreter level.

Agree.

| I guess you know already that SPAD has various shortcomings, the two
| major ones probably being:
|
| * Types are not first class objects (i.e., no Lists of Types),
|
| * SPAD doesn't have truly dependent types.

Yes, I agree.  However imperfect it is, it has the virtue that its
source code is available so that people can improve it.

-- Gaby



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Hi Camm and the Axiom developers, 

I want to summarize my attempts to load external C libraries/functions
from within Aldor/Axiom. I hope a lisp/gcl guru can give me some advice
 - especially on 2.3 ;-) 

1) Functions need to be defined with "defentry" in an external file,
which has to be compiled an loaded. To ")lisp" the defentry does not
work?!
Now, external are known to underlying gcl and the functions can be
called. 

2) Importing external objects or libraries is the actual problem (I hope
only for me): 

2.1: "load" of the object generated from a C src does not work.
2.2: FFI, CFFI, "faslink" is not implemented on Linux, FreeBSD, ... or
GCL at all.
2.3: "compiler::link" generates a new image linked with given shared
libraries  e.g. with libdl providing dlopen to import external shared
libs. This approach is used with elf-loader
(http://www.copyleft.de/lisp) 

I tried to generate an interpsys image with compiler::link instead of
save-system. Yet unlucky, as you can read from the following error
message. I wonder why the compiler::link does not find the gcl libraries
while save-system works? 

####################### build of interpsys ###################
[...]
Finished
loading 
/usr/ports/math/axiom/work/axiom--main--1--patch-47/obj/freebsd/interp/makei 
nt.lisp
/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lgclp
./raw_axiomelf: not found 

Error: Cannot delete the file #p"./raw_axiomelf".
Fast links are on: do (si::use-fast-links nil) for debugging
Error signalled by LET*.
Broken at APPLY.  Type :H for Help.
>> gmake[3]: ***
[/usr/ports/math/axiom/work/axiom--main--1--patch-47/obj/freebsd/bin/interps 
ys] Error 255
gmake[3]: Leaving directory
`/usr/ports/math/axiom/work/axiom--main--1--patch-47/src/interp'
gmake[2]: *** [interpdir] Error 2
gmake[2]: Leaving directory
`/usr/ports/math/axiom/work/axiom--main--1--patch-47/src'
gmake[1]: *** [srcdir] Error 2
gmake[1]: Leaving directory
`/usr/ports/math/axiom/work/axiom--main--1--patch-47'
gmake: *** [all] Error 2
[...]
################### 

There are some things I don't understand. I am using FreeBSD which
includes dlopen in libc. In gcl, printf is available, dlopen not???
See example below (syslisp.lsp includes a defentries for dlopen, nputs,
and printf).
Only printf works, IMHO dlopen should, nputs not (because it is a local
object)??? 

################### running plain gcl ###############
> (compile-file "/usr/ghue.rw/axiom/syslisp.lsp")

Compiling /usr/ghue.rw/axiom/syslisp.lsp.
End of Pass 1.
End of Pass 2.
OPTIMIZE levels: Safety=0 (No runtime error checking), Space=0, Speed=3
Finished compiling /usr/ghue.rw/axiom/syslisp.lsp.
#p"/usr/ghue.rw/axiom/syslisp.o" 

> (load "/usr/ghue.rw/axiom/syslisp.o")

Loading /usr/ghue.rw/axiom/syslisp.o
symbol "dlopen" is not in base imagesymbol "nputs" is not in base
imagestart address -T 0x82cbd80 Finished
loading /usr/ghue.rw/axiom/syslisp.o
376 

> 
##################### 

3) Last open, but important issue has been pointed out by Peter
Broadbery:
Types representation between Aldor/Axiom <-> Lisp <-> C,... has to be
considered. 

Thanks 

Gernot 

 

On Fri, 2006-06-02 at 10:49 -0400, Bill Page wrote:
> On June 2, 2006 5:54 AM Gernot Hueber wrote:  
> 
> > ... Where/how did you place the defentry line. It didn't
> > work out for me with )lisp ?!
> >  
> 
> On this page  
> 
> http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/SandBoxAldorForeign  
> 
> the (defentry ... ) line is between  
> 
>  \begin{lisp}
>  ...
>  \end{lisp}  
> 
> which means that it gets compiled into the current Axiom/Lisp image.
>  
> > > 
> > > That's my confusion. I think what you need is (compiler::link ...)
> > > but that is beyond my level of competitence with GCL. Lisp
> > > users please help!
> > > 
> > 
> > Well, I never tried to use Lisp before using Axiom. What I found
> > googleing for compiler::link where examples generating a new 
> > lisp image including addtional libs. Maybe it is possible to call
> > functions from this one??  
> 
> Yes. As Tim Daly said, the best person and place to ask about this
> is Camm Maguire <camm@enhanced.com> and gcl-devel@gnu.org but
> Camm does also read this list so I hope he has time to reply.  
> 
> > My second idea was to use the dynamic loader (Linux: dlopen 
> > from libdl; FreeBSD includes dlopen in libc), to load a missing
> > library (converted to from my custom object). Actually Lisp told
> > me, "dlopen" is not in the base image :-( At least I expected it
> > to be, because it is in libc.
> > 
> > faslink and FFI are not implemented in GCL (and/or Linux/BSD/...)
> >  
> 
> I think that is the right idea. As I understand it gcl can be
> compiled with dlopen as an option but I don't know anything more
> about it than that.
>  
> > > 
> > > Although I still cannot call this routine as an external
> > > library routine, I was able to compile and call it from
> > > inside Axiom. See my extended example at:
> > >  
> > > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/SandBoxAldorForeign
> > >
> > Great. 
> > 
> > My idea of doing all that is to be able to integrate external 
> > libraries into Axiom/Aldor. And there are plenty interesting
> > candidates (e.g. LAPACK, SDPA, ...)
> >   
> 
> +1  
> 
> Here, here!  
> 
> Regards,
> Bill Page.  
> 
> 
 




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Ralf, I know you have undertaken a number of times to explain the
ALLPROSE idea to us, so feel free to laugh at me and send me to the
archives if my questions have been answered already.  I'm trying for
the "aha!" experience with ALLPROSE's ideas but haven't gotten there
yet.

--- Ralf Hemmecke <ralf@hemmecke.de> wrote:

> However, there are a few things that have to be done until something 
> like ALLPROSE can be applied to the Axiom sources.
> 
> 1) ALLPROSE is currently made to support programming libraries
> written in Aldor. That basically says that it would first of all
> apply to the ALGEBRA subdirectory of Axiom. And it is probably best
> suited if it is applied during the translation/documenation of SPAD
> to Aldor.

OK, that jibes with what I understood about ALLPROSE.  Most of our SPAD
literate programming files consist primarily of code at this stage
anyway, so the re-writes of those files will be TRUE rewrites -
incorporating ideas, research paper ideas and references, etc.  In
those conditions incorporating ALLPROSE will be a relatively minor
point.
 
> 2) ALLPROSE adds a few LaTeX commands in order to introduce a long 
> missing convention of how the ++ comments should be documented.
> That means rewriting the ALGEBRA sources and adding documentation in
> a predefined way.

This is where I start to get a little fuzzy.  I'm still working on the
idea of code chuncks and literate programming (as one look at the Emacs
mode work will clearly show) but I thought the idea of literate
programming was to break things down to the point where the code
chuncks are clearly explained as part of the surrounding context and
don't need any special documentation themselves.  If comments are
included in the programming code as such, they are no more than
convenience notes for someone who doesn't use literate programming at
all (and perhaps a bit of a liability as such, come to think of
it.)ALLPROSE appears to make the distinction between API and user level
documentation (good) but I guess I'm not quite following how this will
work - I tend to view any user level document as distinct from any
detailed discussion of the source/file/program, although I concede this
is not an issue that Axiom as yet has any mechanism at all to handle.

Maybe a better question would be this - is it possible, using ALLPROSE,
to produce a "user handbook" of functionality intended for the user in
each package, and even better a "toplevel" summary of available
packages and their intended functionality?  If so, then I am very much
interested in digging as deep as I can into the ideas of ALLPROSE,
because I currently don't see any way for a user to discover and use
the functionality in a pamphlet except for reading the entire pamphlet,
and that's just not practical in many cases.

When I was using Mathematica in Physics years ago, my biggest single
problem was that I didn't know what I didn't know - e.g. there were
often options for commands that would do what I wanted, but I didn't
know they were there to find, let alone how to use them.  Axiom in some
ways is even worse because it is a CAS with a truly mathematical focus,
as opposed to an engineering focus.  I like this in principle, since at
some level I want to know that those issues we "ignore" in an
engineering problem have in fact been delt with sensibly and are
subject to verification of those solutions, but it makes navigation in
the system a daunting prospect.

> 4) ALLPROSE is GPL2.0 and I don't want to change it (currently). So
> the way to go is to include ALLPROSE under the zips directory and add
> code to the Makefiles to extract it to the appropriate place.
>
> [snip] But Tim, I hope you can live with another dependency.
> ALLPROSE heavily uses PERL. Fortunately, I just need the standard
> PERL no additional modules.

Arrgh.  Nothing against perl, but how much work would it be to
re-create the logic of ALLPROSE in Lisp or Aldor?  This might, if done
correctly, resolve the GPL (non?)issue as well, although I personally
am not particularly concerned with that detail (we use GCL, after all.)
 
> Once again, I don't think that adding ALLPROSE means lots of
> rewriting.
> It rather means to group files together to get one big .dvi for each 
> group, for example for the algebra or interp directory, instead of
> one .dvi for each .pamphlet file.

In principle this worries me a bit.  I personally like having
individual dvi files for each pamphlet - I had envisioned Axiom
becoming like (eventually) a conference proceeding publication with one
idea+implementation per pamphlet file, and a categorization system
based on the standard categories to make sense of it all.  It might
even tie in with Tim's literate journal idea - as papers are published
they are incorporated into Axiom and become part of both code and
documentation.  A single dvi of the algebra directory, once fully
documented, would be many thousands of pages - I usually would want to
view/print just the particular pamphlet(s) relevant to my current area
of interest.

> In the ALLPROSE (documentation) view. 
> .pamphlet files are rather considered to be like .tex files that are 
> included into a master document. The gain is that one can hyperlink
> over different .pamphlet files (well, of course one has to tag at
> certain places, for example using the \defineterm and \useterm
> commands.
> 
> Ralf (the author of ALLPROSE)

This is useful for "volumes" of algebra perhaps, but I think viewing
the whole of the algebra directory this way is like trying to consume
the whole salad bar for a meal.  Most people will want only a few bits
of Axiom's literature at any one time.

I was hoping Axiom could become like the best of all worlds in
conference proceedings - grouped by subject with individual ideas
documented in academic paper style, but with those subject groupings
being always coherent and together rather than spread across 10 years
of publications.  Then when compmiled the system will assemble a user
level summary of working commands and functionality based on the
pamphlets in the system at the time, perhaps with examples incorporated
into and also used by the unit test system.

Sorry if I'm misconstruing the idea of ALLPROSE - I know my grasp of it
still isn't there yet.

Cheers,
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Hello everyone,

Following Mr. Tim Daly's suggestion, I have uploaded a virtual machine
configuration file for the Doyen CD using VMWare.  This should allow to run
the  Doyen CD in different operating systems, especially Windows, allowing
for a more easy demonstration of the Doyen idea and the scientific software
it contains (Axiom, Magnus, CAISS-STAT, LatexWiki).

- The VMWare Player is freely available at
http://www.vmware.com/download/player/

- After having the VMWare player installed you need to download the
DoyenVMWare configuration:

          zip: http://alfredo.axiom-developer.org/doyen/DoyenVmware.zip


          or

          tar: http://alfredo.axiom-developer.org/doyen/DoyenVmware.tar.gz

- After unpacking this file, place the doyen iso image inside the
DoyenVmware directory created. You can download the Doyen iso image at:

          http://alfredo.axiom-developer.org/doyen/doyen-42206.iso

- Using the VMWare player look for the Doyen.vmx file and run it.

Please do not hesitate contacting me if you have any question or if you run
into any problem while downloading any of the packages or running them.

Regards,

-- 
Jose Alfredo Perez

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<div>Hello everyone,<br><br>Following Mr. Tim Daly's suggestion, I have
uploaded a virtual machine configuration file for the Doyen CD using
VMWare.&nbsp; This should allow to run&nbsp; the&nbsp; Doyen CD in different operating
systems, especially Windows, allowing for a more easy demonstration of
the Doyen idea and the scientific software it contains (Axiom, Magnus,
CAISS-STAT, LatexWiki).
<br><br>- The VMWare Player is freely available at <a href="http://www.vmware.com/download/player/" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://www.vmware.com/download/player/</a> <br><br>

- After having the VMWare player installed you need to download the DoyenVMWare configuration:
<br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; zip: <a href="http://alfredo.axiom-developer.org/doyen/DoyenVmware.zip" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://alfredo.axiom-developer.org/doyen/DoyenVmware.zip</a>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;  <br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; or<br><br clear="all">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; tar: <a href="http://alfredo.axiom-developer.org/doyen/DoyenVmware.tar.gz" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">

http://alfredo.axiom-developer.org/doyen/DoyenVmware.tar.gz</a><br><br>-
After unpacking this file, place the doyen iso image inside the
DoyenVmware directory created. You can download the Doyen iso image at:<br><br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="http://alfredo.axiom-developer.org/doyen/doyen-42206.iso" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://alfredo.axiom-developer.org/doyen/doyen-42206.iso</a><br><br>- Using the VMWare player look for the 
Doyen.vmx file and run it.<br><br>Please
do not hesitate contacting me if you have any question or if you run
into any problem while downloading any of the packages or running them.
<br><br>Regards,<br></div>
<br>-- <br>Jose Alfredo Perez

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Hi Bill,

  Can we have a link from the front page to the AxiomCommunity page?

Also, I would like to request a mailing list

     axiom-testresults@lists.sourceforge.net

where one could send nightly results of build and various testings.

Thanks,

-- Gaby



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A while back we were discussing the problem of a universal Axiom
bibliography and how to handle the issue.  There is still a lot of work
and thinking to be done, but as a first step I have tried to make a
slightly more "bibtex" like bib file for the Axiom pamphlets.  It's not
really all that exciting - the only real improvement so far is that the
authors' names are included - but I am also looking into the previously
discussed ideas of annotations being included with each entry and the
idea of including "standard" references to online databases such as
arXiv.

It turns out there has already been some work done on this, although I
doubt it is integrated with any wiki-like web framework.  I took a stab
at adapting the existing work on annotated bibliographies to what I had
done thus far, achieving no noticable success as yet (bst files are
something of a mystery... sigh.)  However, as long as bst files are on
the menu, I wanted to point out the eprint.sty file at
http://theoryofcomputing.org/submit/eprint/eprint.html

I don't know how significant ToC is in the computer world, but it is
hard to deny they have nice looking setups for their papers.  Their
files appear to be here:
http://theoryofcomputing.org/submit/toctexguide.html#download

These files might be a good starting point for making an advanced
bibliography format for Axiom - I was wondering if anyone knew about
ToC or this format, and had an opinion.  If these folks are fairly
significant they might be a logical partner to work with towards a
common goal of universal bibliography formats and entries.

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Hello,

May I suggest to give some way to indicate the version or date of creation=
 of 
Axiom book on the download page, or in the name of the book to avoid 
downloading several times the same version (for example book2_2006-06-10.p=
df) 
?

Best wishes,
Michel

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Hello,

I tried to use the Doyen Cd, and I met the following problems:

- The password doyen@org is not trivial - first to remember and next to ty=
pe with a 
French keyboard : one has to type Shift+2 to get @, and so "doyenShift+2or=
g" in 
order to be able to select the French keyboard, and the keys typed appear =
as 
asterisks of course (since one has to enter the root password to be able t=
o change 
keyboard). I would suggest to hit just Enter, if it is possible ? Otherwis=
e, at least write 
the password in the Doyen-Wiki, with the set of keys to be typed on a Fren=
ch (and 
other languages) keyboard, in order to change keyboard config. I think the=
 Doyen 
wiki is a natural place to look (at least it is where I looked !). But the=
 password was 
not there (or is it somewhere I did not find?), and I had to find it on an=
other PC, in 
archived mails of the axiom-developer list. A bit complicated, and probabl=
y almost 
impossible to find for a newcomer to Axiom?.

- For next releases, I wonder if it would not be better to use Knoppix for=
 the core, 
instead of Fedora ? My PCs are networked to Internet through an ADSL modem=
-
router, and Knoppix found it so I was able to connect to Internet without =
any 
additional configuration. With the Doyen CD, I could not connect to Intern=
et and the 
adress of the modem-router was detected incorrectly as first DNS address (=
instead 
of gateway, as correctly found by Knoppix). 

- The Doyen CD does not recognize hard disks with ntfs partitions (cannot =
read) 
while Knoppix is able to read them.

But maybe there are other PC configs that Fedora would analyze correctly b=
ut not 
Knoppix, so it is more a question than a suggestion. Or maybe there are no=
w newer 
Fedora (I used the latest Knoppix, dated 2 june 2006).

Anyway, despite these problems, very nice job, thanks a lot !
Best wishes,


Michel.Lavaud@univ-orleans.fr
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Still trying to build axiom on AMD64. getting much farther.
Here's a few (hopefully relevant) lines from the output.

 preloading /home/harke/Axiom-cvs/axiom/mnt/linux/algebra/OUTFORM.o..skipped.

  1> (LOAD 
"/home/harke/Axiom-cvs/axiom/mnt/linux/../../int/algebra/warm.data")
  <1 (LOAD T)
  1> (LOAD "/home/harke/Axiom-cvs/axiom/mnt/linux/../../int/interp/obey.lsp")
  <1 (LOAD T)
Finished loading /home/harke/Axiom-cvs/axiom/int/interp/debugsys.lisp
8 /home/harke/Axiom-cvs/axiom/obj/linux/bin/debugsys created
618 finished /home/harke/Axiom-cvs/axiom/src/interp
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/harke/Axiom-cvs/axiom/src/interp'
10 making /home/harke/Axiom-cvs/axiom/src/share/Makefile 
from /home/harke/Axiom-cvs/axiom/src/share/Makefile.pamphlet
9 making /home/harke/Axiom-cvs/axiom/src/share
make[3]: Entering directory `/home/harke/Axiom-cvs/axiom/src/share'
1 making /home/harke/Axiom-cvs/axiom/mnt/linux/doc/hypertex/pages/util.ht 
from /home/harke/Axiom-cvs/axiom/src/share/doc/hypertex/pages/util.ht
2 making /home/harke/Axiom-cvs/axiom/mnt/linux/lib/command.list 
from /home/harke/Axiom-cvs/axiom/src/share/algebra/command.list
3 finished /home/harke/Axiom-cvs/axiom/src/share
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/harke/Axiom-cvs/axiom/src/share'
30 making /home/harke/Axiom-cvs/axiom/src/algebra/Makefile 
from /home/harke/Axiom-cvs/axiom/src/algebra/Makefile.pamphlet
30a extracting findAlgebraFiles 
from /home/harke/Axiom-cvs/axiom/src/algebra/Makefile.pamphlet
30b running /home/harke/Axiom-cvs/axiom/int/algebra/findAlgebraFiles
29 making /home/harke/Axiom-cvs/axiom/src/algebra
make[3]: Entering directory `/home/harke/Axiom-cvs/axiom/src/algebra'
tangling acplot.spad.pamphlet to acplot.spad
   .
   .
   .
tangling zerodim.spad.pamphlet to zerodim.spad
make[3]: *** No rule to make target 
`/home/harke/Axiom-cvs/axiom/int/algebra/ABELGRP.o', needed by `src'.  Stop.
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/harke/Axiom-cvs/axiom/src/algebra'
make[2]: *** [algebradir] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/harke/Axiom-cvs/axiom/src'
make[1]: *** [srcdir] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/harke/Axiom-cvs/axiom'
make: *** [all] Error 2


Richard Harke




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Hi Michel,

> I tried to use the Doyen Cd, and I met the following problems:

Thank you for taking time to try the CD. We really need more people
using it to obtain
more suggestions on how to improve the Doyen CD.

> - The password doyen@org is not trivial - first to remember and next to type with a
> French keyboard : one has to type Shift+2 to get @, and so "doyenShift+2org" in
> order to be able to select the French keyboard, and the keys typed appear as
> asterisks of course (since one has to enter the root password to be able to change
> keyboard). I would suggest to hit just Enter, if it is possible ? Otherwise, at least write
> the password in the Doyen-Wiki, with the set of keys to be typed on a French (and
> other languages) keyboard, in order to change keyboard config. I think the Doyen
> wiki is a natural place to look (at least it is where I looked !). But the password was
> not there (or is it somewhere I did not find?), and I had to find it on another PC, in
> archived mails of the axiom-developer list. A bit complicated, and probably almost
> impossible to find for a newcomer to Axiom?.

Wao. It is complicated. We had the intention of changing the password
to something
simpler, like just "doyen". The password is in the Doyen-Wiki but not
that trivial to find.
I will try to have this for the next build of the live cd, together
with more important content
in the front page of the Wiki as suggested by Mr. Bill Page.

> - For next releases, I wonder if it would not be better to use Knoppix for the core,
> instead of Fedora ?

There is a version of Doyen using Knoppix 3.7.
http://daly.axiom-developer.org/doyen/ However, the final goal of the
project was to have a Red Hat based Live CD. The Doyen-Knoppix version
does not have a Axiom / LatexWiki. Knoppix has changed very much from
version 3.7 to the latest 4.0.2, especially in the way the Live CD can
be remastered. I would like to try to update this over the summer, and
have the AxiomLatexWiki included.

> My PCs are networked to Internet through an ADSL modem-
> router, and Knoppix found it so I was able to connect to Internet without any
> additional configuration. With the Doyen CD, I could not connect to Internet and the
> adress of the modem-router was detected incorrectly as first DNS address (instead
> of gateway, as correctly found by Knoppix).

Very interesting. I have never come across this problem. I will check into it.

> - The Doyen CD does not recognize hard disks with ntfs partitions (cannot read)
> while Knoppix is able to read them.

I use the Doyen CD and it recognizes my ntfs partitions correctly. Not sure why
it didn't find it in your computer. My first guess is that the autofs
daemon is off. I
will address this.

> But maybe there are other PC configs that Fedora would analyze correctly but not
> Knoppix, so it is more a question than a suggestion. Or maybe there are now newer
> Fedora (I used the latest Knoppix, dated 2 june 2006).

You are right. It is really a trade off, especially that the creation
of a Fedora CD is faster
and more customizable than Knoppix, but Knoppix has more hardware
support. Actually, Doyen is one of the first Fedora Live CDs I have
seem around. An official one was only achieved last year in Google
Summer of Code, so I think in that sense Knoppix is more mature. I
guess the best thing will be to have best of both worlds (this will
actually be better for people who prefer KDE than Gnome).

> Anyway, despite these problems, very nice job, thanks a lot !
> Best wishes,

Thank you very much, if you have more suggestions just let me know.

Regards,

Jose Alfredo Perez



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I had the same problem some time ago.

http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2005-01/msg00304.html

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> Richard Harke wrote:
> I've gotten the CVS check-out of Axiom from savannah.nongnu.org
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Out of curosity, has anyone ever tried to run a LiveCD using a virtual
machine?  Bochs I suppose would be too slow, but maybe Xen one of the
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It would be sort of cool to be able to "boot" a livecd without
restarting your own computer, although I suppose it makes more sense to
just create an image in that case.

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Cliff,

On June 16, 2006 10:42 AM you wrote:
> 
> Out of curosity, has anyone ever tried to run a LiveCD using a
> virtual machine?  Bochs I suppose would be too slow, but maybe
> Xen one of the other newer ones?
> 
> It would be sort of cool to be able to "boot" a livecd without
> restarting your own computer, although I suppose it makes 
> more sense to just create an image in that case.
> 

??? I think it might be worth your while to read and understand

http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/DoyenVirtualMachinePackage

That is exactly what Alfredo has done using VMware. VMware is not
open source but it is free.

I don't see any reason why one could not do something very similar
with Xen.

Regards,
Bill Page.





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Cliff,

As Bill said, the http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/DoyenVirtualMachinePackage
page shows how to boot the Live CD image (iso) using VMware. VMware currently
is the most mature of all the virtualization applications.

Regarding your concern about speed, I only find the booting process a
little bit slower (I
think is something between VMware and Fedora, because other distros
boot faster (Arch) ). After that, I cannot feel much of a difference.
I have used a 1.2 Ghz computer (Celeron) with 512MB, so you can see
that it is not very demanding and could be faster in newer machines.

Regards,

Jose Alfredo Perez

On 6/16/06, Bill Page <bill.page1@synthesis.anikast.ca> wrote:
> Cliff,
>
> On June 16, 2006 10:42 AM you wrote:
> >
> > Out of curosity, has anyone ever tried to run a LiveCD using a
> > virtual machine?  Bochs I suppose would be too slow, but maybe
> > Xen one of the other newer ones?
> >
> > It would be sort of cool to be able to "boot" a livecd without
> > restarting your own computer, although I suppose it makes
> > more sense to just create an image in that case.
> >
>
> ??? I think it might be worth your while to read and understand
>
> http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/DoyenVirtualMachinePackage
>
> That is exactly what Alfredo has done using VMware. VMware is not
> open source but it is free.
>
> I don't see any reason why one could not do something very similar
> with Xen.
>
> Regards,
> Bill Page.
>
>
>



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Hi,

I haven't got around to building axiom myself yet (it never got very
far on my FreeBSD box) but I've just installed Kubuntu and I find
installing the apt-file package very handy for searching what package
you need to get to provide a missing file. e.g.

$ apt-file search bfdlink.h
binutils-dev: usr/include/bfdlink.h

Cheers,

Richard

Richard Harke <rharke@earthlink.net> writes:

> I've gotten the CVS check-out of Axiom from savannah.nongnu.org
> and am trying to build it. I get an error on fat_strings.c in gcl-2.6.8pre/o
> file not found bfd.h and bfdlink.h
> Note: this is Kubuntu linux on an AMD64
>
> Richarrd Harke

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On Wed June 14 2006 02:36, Richard Putman wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I haven't got around to building axiom myself yet (it never got very
> far on my FreeBSD box) but I've just installed Kubuntu and I find
> installing the apt-file package very handy for searching what package
> you need to get to provide a missing file. e.g.
>
> $ apt-file search bfdlink.h
> binutils-dev: usr/include/bfdlink.h
>
Thanks. I am running Kubuntu. It used to be that any good distro would
always default to installing all the development tools. Recently they seem
not to do that and I'm not used to that fact.They tend now to leave out
development headers as well.
Richard

> Cheers,
>
> Richard
>
> Richard Harke <rharke@earthlink.net> writes:
> > I've gotten the CVS check-out of Axiom from savannah.nongnu.org
> > and am trying to build it. I get an error on fat_strings.c in
> > gcl-2.6.8pre/o file not found bfd.h and bfdlink.h
> > Note: this is Kubuntu linux on an AMD64
> >
> > Richarrd Harke



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Greetings!  Am updating gcl for etch to 2.6.8.  Are there newer axiom
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Alfredo,=20

On Saturday, June 17, 2006 2:28 PM you wrote:
>=20
> Hope your conference went ok.

Yes. The presentations were of mixed quality but meeting old
friends made it wothwhile. Some of the presentations will be
published.

> My research in ORNL has been delayed, so I will have more time
> to work in the Live CD.

Great. I trust you will continue to let me know how I can help.

>=20
> Wilken has more experience than me working on Web designs and
> probably he could come up with a better layout for the content
> on the CD. I would like to ask you if you can tell me which
> content I could use from axiom-developer that you consider
> important.

My first reaction is to suggest you should merge most of the
content from

http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/FrontPage

with the current contents of the FrontPage on the Doyen CD.

Note: To get the source of these pages just add the suffice
  .../src
like this:

http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/FrontPage/src

Then add some of the pages directly linked from this FrontPage
(excluding references to Reduce) such as:

http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AboutAxiom
http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AxiomColloquium
http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AxiomCompiler
http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AxiomDocumentation
http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AxiomLanguage
http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AxiomLibrary
http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AxiomGoldBranch
http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AxiomSilverBranch
http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AxiomCommunity
http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AxiomDevelopment
http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AxiomDownload
http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AxiomFoundation
http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AxiomGraphics
http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AxiomProgramming
http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/FAQ
http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/FutureDevelopment
http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/HowToSubmitPatches
http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/TeXmacs
http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/UserInterface
http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/BuildAxiom
http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/Doyen
http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/MathematicalAlgorithms
http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/OtherComputerAlgebraSystems

Each of the above pages in turn might lead to 1 or 2 more
pages that you might want to include. I would set a limit
at about 50 or 60 pages in total.

All of these pages with have to be reviewed to make sure they
continue to make sense in the context of the CD. But my advice
would be to not to worry too much about the overall integrity
of the content at this stage. Pehaps you can include a disclaimer
on the FrontPage to the effect that these pages are merely
"a selection" of pages available at on the Axiom developer
wiki. Creating really useful content is going to be a long term
project and hopefully you will be able to attract the help of
additonal people.

You might want to advertise on the FrontPage that people can
send you their updates and corrections to these pages.

>=20
> Also, I would like to know if the "Axiom+Aldor (binary,
> 48.8 Mbytes) LatexWiki Image Recommended Download" is recent
> enough to put in the CD.

Yes I think so. It is based on the September 2005 sources for
Axiom, but it is exactly what we are still running in the
http://wiki.axiom-developer.org site right now. I especially like
the idea of including Aldor on the Doyen CD although it is not
(yet) completely open source.

Are you actually planning to run this version of Axiom+Aldor to
allow the use of \begin{aldor} ... \end{aldor} on the DoyenCD?
Or just have it there for local installation?

>=20
> I have included this and the windows installer in the CD so
> people can install Axiom without having to boot the Live CD
> like we discussed.
>=20

Great.

Of course users will also need some of the installation
instructions from the AxiomDownload page. I am thinking that
perhaps we need a set of "liner notes" for the CD that describe
very briefly how to use it.

You will notice that I recently uploaded a draft CD label at

http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/DoyenCD

I think a little more effort could easily produce a better
label.

Regards,
Bill Page.



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Jose, Wilken,

I'm about to start burning Doyen CDs for ISSAC.

I expect to burn about 150 depending on time and success rate.

It would be great if we had a printable page that contains
"introductory information" that I can put in the envelope
with the CD. It should just point out how to start it,
where to find installable programs and what the root password is.
It would help to mention CAISS. In fact, if Gilbert agrees you
could send me a copy of the page on CAISS letterhead and I can
make copies for insertion. That's up to Gilbert but I think the
exposure at ISSAC is important both for your careers and CAISS.

I'm going to use the HP LightScribe CD (the one that burns a
label directly onto the CD) so it all looks professional.

Assuming you have no objections the CD will have both of your 
names burned in front surface. Let me know if this is ok.

--t



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"Page, Bill" <Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca> writes:

> > Also, I would like to know if the "Axiom+Aldor (binary,
> > 48.8 Mbytes) LatexWiki Image Recommended Download" is recent
> > enough to put in the CD.
> 
> Yes I think so. It is based on the September 2005 sources for
> Axiom, but it is exactly what we are still running in the
> http://wiki.axiom-developer.org site right now. 

I would suggest that you get a newer version. Quite a few bugs have been fixed
meenwhile.

Martin




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The machine I was using to build the latest Axiom sources was removed from
the CAISS lab :(. Unfortunately, I have lost all the data, and I was
not able to include
this version of Axiom in the new Doyen build.

I do not know if somebody has the binaries for Fedora Core 3 of this
latest Axiom. I would really appreciate if somebody can make them
available.

Regards,

On 21 Jun 2006 10:01:51 +0200, Martin Rubey <martin.rubey@univie.ac.at> wrote:
> "Page, Bill" <Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca> writes:
>
> > > Also, I would like to know if the "Axiom+Aldor (binary,
> > > 48.8 Mbytes) LatexWiki Image Recommended Download" is recent
> > > enough to put in the CD.
> >
> > Yes I think so. It is based on the September 2005 sources for
> > Axiom, but it is exactly what we are still running in the
> > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org site right now.
>
> I would suggest that you get a newer version. Quite a few bugs have been fixed
> meenwhile.
>
> Martin
>
>



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Alfredo,

On Wednesday, June 21, 2006 6:35 AM you wrote:

>=20
> The machine I was using to build the latest Axiom sources was=20
> removed from the CAISS lab :(. Unfortunately, I have lost all
> the data, and I was not able to include this version of Axiom
> in the new Doyen build.
>=20
> I do not know if somebody has the binaries for Fedora Core 3
> of this latest Axiom. I would really appreciate if somebody
> can make them available.
>=20

Thanks to Martin's "push" I took the time to re-compile Axiom
with the newest sources (tla update) and re-built the Axiom-Aldor
interface. This version is now installed on the Axiom wiki and
can be downloaded from:

http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/public/axiom-aldor-20060621.tgz=20

This tarball contains both Axiom and Aldor. It is a direct
replacement for the previous version you are using in the Doyen
CD. You should have no problem dropping it in to the existing
iso file.

Regards,
Bill Page.

>=20
> On 21 Jun 2006 10:01:51 +0200, Martin Rubey wrote:
> > Bill Page writes:
> >
> > > > Also, I would like to know if the "Axiom+Aldor (binary,
> > > > 48.8 Mbytes) LatexWiki Image Recommended Download" is recent
> > > > enough to put in the CD.
> > >
> > > Yes I think so. It is based on the September 2005 sources for
> > > Axiom, but it is exactly what we are still running in the
> > > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org site right now.
> >
> > I would suggest that you get a newer version. Quite a few=20
> > bugs have been fixed  meenwhile.
> >



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Alfredo,=20

On Wednesday, June 21, 2006 7:36 AM you wrote:
>
> Bill Page wrote:
> > Are you actually planning to run this version of Axiom+Aldor
> > to allow the use of \begin{aldor} ... \end{aldor} on the
> > DoyenCD? Or just have it there for local installation?
>=20
> I did not try the \begin{aldor}...\end{aldor} inside the wiki.
> Do not know if I need to change anything to get this feature
> to work besides having aldor installed locally.

Since you installed the axiom-aldor binary, this now works fine
with the new Doyen CD and also on VMWare Player.

Besides installing Aldor, to get Aldor to work with Axiom
you need to follow the procedure at

http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AldorForAxiom

This has already been done in the binary tarball

http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/public/axiom-aldor-20060621.tgz

> ...

Regards,
Bill Page.



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I pulled the CVS version of Axiom. The README file in the top
directory mentions Active DVI as a tool for reading dvi's but I didn't
find anywhere, let alone in zips as stated. I did find the script showdvi
which is just a front end to xdvi. But i find xdvi reaaly awful for more
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good feature, if you need to check out details of the fonts.)
I found advi at INRIA and downloaded the package. No prepackaged
version for Ubuntu. But it requires installing ocaml which wants a
different version of gcc.
Currently I have been running dvipdf and using kpdf.
Is anyone using advi or are there any other good alternatives?
Richard Harke



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On Wed, 21 Jun 2006, Richard Harke wrote:
> I pulled the CVS version of Axiom. The README file in the top
> directory mentions Active DVI as a tool for reading dvi's but I didn't
> find anywhere, let alone in zips as stated. I did find the script showdvi
> which is just a front end to xdvi. But i find xdvi reaaly awful for more
> than a quick review of a file. (The magnifier seems to be the one really
> good feature, if you need to check out details of the fonts.)
> I found advi at INRIA and downloaded the package. No prepackaged
> version for Ubuntu. But it requires installing ocaml which wants a
> different version of gcc.
> Currently I have been running dvipdf and using kpdf.
> Is anyone using advi or are there any other good alternatives?
I also find xdvi rather inconvenient; I think kdvi is much better.
I usually use dvips and view ps by gv (a front end to ghostscript).
If you prefer pdf, I think it's better to use dvipdfm.

Andrey




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Hello Alfredo,

On 15 Jun 2006 at 14:24, Alfredo Portes wrote:

> Hi Michel,
> 
> > I tried to use the Doyen Cd, and I met the following problems:
> 
> Thank you for taking time to try the CD. We really need more people
> using it to obtain
> more suggestions on how to improve the Doyen CD.
> 
> > - The password doyen@org is not trivial - first to remember and next t=
o type with a
> > French keyboard : one has to type Shift+2 to get @, and so "doyenShift=
+2org" in
> 
> Wao. It is complicated. We had the intention of changing the password
> to something
> simpler, like just "doyen". The password is in the Doyen-Wiki but not
> that trivial to find.
> I will try to have this for the next build of the live cd, together
> with more important content
> in the front page of the Wiki as suggested by Mr. Bill Page.

"doyen" would be OK for French. It seems (from images of other keyboards I=
 found on the 
Internet) that it would not be OK for German, Italian, Spanish and Swedish=
 keyboards. For 
other keyboards with non latin characters, I suppose there might be proble=
ms too ?
 
> > - For next releases, I wonder if it would not be better to use Knoppix=
 for the core,
> > instead of Fedora ?
> 
> There is a version of Doyen using Knoppix 3.7.
> http://daly.axiom-developer.org/doyen/ However, the final goal of the
> project was to have a Red Hat based Live CD. The Doyen-Knoppix version
> does not have a Axiom / LatexWiki. Knoppix has changed very much from
> version 3.7 to the latest 4.0.2, especially in the way the Live CD can
> be remastered. I would like to try to update this over the summer, and
> have the AxiomLatexWiki included.


 
> > My PCs are networked to Internet through an ADSL modem-
> > router, and Knoppix found it so I was able to connect to Internet with=
out any
> > additional configuration. With the Doyen CD, I could not connect to In=
ternet and the
> > adress of the modem-router was detected incorrectly as first DNS addre=
ss (instead
> > of gateway, as correctly found by Knoppix).
> 
> Very interesting. I have never come across this problem. I will check in=
to it.

after rechecking, I could ping to external sites from a terminal, so the p=
b is more subtle, 
perhaps it has to do rather with incorrect (or not done?) configuration of=
 Firefox and other 
software (or my bad knowledge of Fedora :-). But definitely, it did not wo=
rk right out from the 
CD, contrary to the latest Knoppix which worked like a charm from the very=
 beginning despite 
my somewhat complicated hardware configuration (the preceding Knoppix did =
not work, 
BTW).
 
> > - The Doyen CD does not recognize hard disks with ntfs partitions (can=
not read)
> > while Knoppix is able to read them.
> 
> I use the Doyen CD and it recognizes my ntfs partitions correctly. Not s=
ure why
> it didn't find it in your computer. My first guess is that the autofs
> daemon is off. I
> will address this.

Ah, so it is a more subtle problem. The exact problem is : a 250Gb sata di=
sk under ntfs is 
detected as hard disk but not readable (while it is by Knoppix). On the ot=
her hand, I have a 
120Gb sata drive under fat32 that is readable, so it might be that sata dr=
iver cannot deal with 
large disks (>130Gb) ? I did not find time to go on Fedora site, download =
and check if it is 
solved with the new version, and signal the pb if not solved already. Sure=
 it will be corrected 
in some next version, as with Knoppix.


> > But maybe there are other PC configs that Fedora would analyze correct=
ly but not
> > Knoppix, so it is more a question than a suggestion. Or maybe there ar=
e now newer
> > Fedora (I used the latest Knoppix, dated 2 june 2006).
> 
> You are right. It is really a trade off, especially that the creation
> of a Fedora CD is faster
> and more customizable than Knoppix,

I see, so Fedora is a very reasonable choice, you're right

> but Knoppix has more hardware
> support. Actually, Doyen is one of the first Fedora Live CDs I have
> seem around. An official one was only achieved last year in Google
> Summer of Code, so I think in that sense Knoppix is more mature. I
> guess the best thing will be to have best of both worlds (this will
> actually be better for people who prefer KDE than Gnome).

> Thank you very much, if you have more suggestions just let me know.

I will download your new version this week end and have a try.

Best wishes,
Michel

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Have you tried xdvik?

http://xdvi.sourceforge.net/

It is similar to kdvi, but for me it works better in the sense that 
klicking on a hyperlink in kdvi is sometimes half a page wrong on my 
computer.

Ralf

On 06/22/2006 06:36 AM, Andrey G. Grozin wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Jun 2006, Richard Harke wrote:
>> I pulled the CVS version of Axiom. The README file in the top
>> directory mentions Active DVI as a tool for reading dvi's but I didn't
>> find anywhere, let alone in zips as stated. I did find the script showdvi
>> which is just a front end to xdvi. But i find xdvi reaaly awful for more
>> than a quick review of a file. (The magnifier seems to be the one really
>> good feature, if you need to check out details of the fonts.)
>> I found advi at INRIA and downloaded the package. No prepackaged
>> version for Ubuntu. But it requires installing ocaml which wants a
>> different version of gcc.
>> Currently I have been running dvipdf and using kpdf.
>> Is anyone using advi or are there any other good alternatives?
> I also find xdvi rather inconvenient; I think kdvi is much better.
> I usually use dvips and view ps by gv (a front end to ghostscript).
> If you prefer pdf, I think it's better to use dvipdfm.
> 
> Andrey



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Le mercredi 21 juin 2006 =E0 21:12 -0700, Richard Harke a =E9crit :
> I pulled the CVS version of Axiom. The README file in the top
> directory mentions Active DVI as a tool for reading dvi's but I didn't
> find anywhere, let alone in zips as stated. I did find the script showd=
vi
> which is just a front end to xdvi. But i find xdvi reaaly awful for mor=
e
> than a quick review of a file. (The magnifier seems to be the one reall=
y
> good feature, if you need to check out details of the fonts.)
> I found advi at INRIA and downloaded the package. No prepackaged
> version for Ubuntu.

It's packaged. See:
http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=3Dadvi&sea=
rchon=3Dnames&subword=3D1&version=3Dall&release=3Dall

So you need to activate universe and multiverse in
your /etc/apt/sources.list. Attached is a sources.list sample for
Dapper. Do not forget to "sudo apt-get update" after changing this file.

To find a package which contain dvi in its name you can do (man
apt-cache):

apt-cache -n search dvi

Cheers,

Greg

> But it requires installing ocaml which wants a
> different version of gcc.
> Currently I have been running dvipdf and using kpdf.
> Is anyone using advi or are there any other good alternatives?
> Richard Harke
>=20
>=20
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#### Mis a jour les 01//06/2006 - Merci de me signaler quand un serveur ne repond plus.

#### INSTRUCTIONS D'UTILISATION ####

## Pour editer votre sources.list, taper sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list dans une console
## puis remplacer l'integralite de ce fichier par celui-ci.

#### DEPOTS OFFICIELS UBUNTU DAPPER ####

# Security
deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main restricted universe multiverse
deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main restricted universe multiverse
# Main
deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main restricted universe multiverse
deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted universe multiverse
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deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-updates main restricted universe multiverse

# Main
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Hi,

On Fri, Jun 16, 2006 at 11:05:26AM -0400, Bill Page wrote:
> On June 16, 2006 10:42 AM you wrote:
> >=20
> > Out of curosity, has anyone ever tried to run a LiveCD using a
> > virtual machine?  Bochs I suppose would be too slow, but maybe
> > Xen one of the other newer ones?
> >=20
> > It would be sort of cool to be able to "boot" a livecd without
> > restarting your own computer, although I suppose it makes=20
> > more sense to just create an image in that case.
> >=20
>=20
> ??? I think it might be worth your while to read and understand
>=20
> http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/DoyenVirtualMachinePackage
>=20
> That is exactly what Alfredo has done using VMware. VMware is not
> open source but it is free.
>=20
> I don't see any reason why one could not do something very similar
> with Xen.

For those insterested in trying with (free software) qemu, the
following commands worked for me (Debian sarge):

$ wget -c http://alfredo.axiom-developer.org/doyen/doyen-42206.iso
$ qemu -user-net -m 256 -cdrom doyen-42206.iso -boot d

I take the opportunity to point at new Debian based live-CD mastering
scripts: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive

Best regards,
Fr=E9d=E9ric Lehobey



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Hi Frederic,

Thank you for the input. I will add this information to the Doyen webpage.

Regards,

Jose Alfredo Perez

On 6/23/06, Frederic Lehobey <Frederic.Lehobey@free.fr> wrote:
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>
> On Fri, Jun 16, 2006 at 11:05:26AM -0400, Bill Page wrote:
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> > > Xen one of the other newer ones?
> > >
> > > It would be sort of cool to be able to "boot" a livecd without
> > > restarting your own computer, although I suppose it makes
> > > more sense to just create an image in that case.
> > >
> >
> > ??? I think it might be worth your while to read and understand
> >
> > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/DoyenVirtualMachinePackage
> >
> > That is exactly what Alfredo has done using VMware. VMware is not
> > open source but it is free.
> >
> > I don't see any reason why one could not do something very similar
> > with Xen.
>
> For those insterested in trying with (free software) qemu, the
> following commands worked for me (Debian sarge):
>
> $ wget -c http://alfredo.axiom-developer.org/doyen/doyen-42206.iso
> $ qemu -user-net -m 256 -cdrom doyen-42206.iso -boot d
>
> I take the opportunity to point at new Debian based live-CD mastering
> scripts: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive
>
> Best regards,
> Fr=E9d=E9ric Lehobey
>
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I'm trying to build Silver Axiom on Gentoo Linux. I downloaded the
source, unpacked it in a directory with no spaces or uppercase in the
path, typed "./configure" and "make" just like the instructions specify.

It starts up OK, but it appears to stop dead making the documentation.
It's been sitting at the state it's in for at least six hours with no
apparent activity in either processor or disk. Here's what the console
looks like:

6 finished /home/spad/axiom/src/clef
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/spad/axiom/src/clef'
42 making /home/spad/axiom/src/doc/Makefile from
/home/spad/axiom/src/doc/Makefile.pamphlet
41 making /home/spad/axiom/src/doc
make[3]: Entering directory `/home/spad/axiom/src/doc'
1 making /home/spad/axiom/int/doc/axiom.bib from
/home/spad/axiom/src/doc/axiom.bib.pamphlet
2 making /home/spad/axiom/mnt/linux/bin/tex/axiom.sty from
/home/spad/axiom/src/doc/axiom.sty.pamphlet
3 making /home/spad/axiom/mnt/linux/doc/DeveloperNotes.dvi from
/home/spad/axiom/src/doc/DeveloperNotes.pamphlet
The root module <<*>> was not defined.
4 making /home/spad/axiom/mnt/linux/doc/book.dvi from
/home/spad/axiom/src/doc/book.pamphlet
4 making /home/spad/axiom/mnt/linux/doc/bookvol1.dvi from
/home/spad/axiom/src/doc/bookvol1.pamphlet


According to "ls -lt /home/spad/axiom/mnt/linux/doc" it finished up
making "book.dvi" at 22:28 last night.

 $ ls -lt /home/spad/axiom/mnt/linux/doctotal 2992
drwxr-xr-x 3 root root    4096 Jun 22 22:28 ps
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2651536 Jun 22 22:28 book.dvi
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  107068 Jun 22 22:27 DeveloperNotes.dvi
drwxr-xr-x 7 root root    4096 Jun 22 22:27 src
drwxr-xr-x 3 root root    4096 Jun 22 20:13 hypertex
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  266392 Jun 22 20:12 bookvol5.dvi
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root    4096 Jun 22 20:11 msgs

Do I just need to be patient, or is this broken??










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"M. Edward (Ed) Borasky" <znmeb@cesmail.net> writes:

| I'm trying to build Silver Axiom on Gentoo Linux. I downloaded the
| source, unpacked it in a directory with no spaces or uppercase in the
| path, typed "./configure" and "make" just like the instructions specify.
| 
| It starts up OK, but it appears to stop dead making the documentation.
| It's been sitting at the state it's in for at least six hours with no
| apparent activity in either processor or disk. Here's what the console
| looks like:
| 
| 6 finished /home/spad/axiom/src/clef
| make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/spad/axiom/src/clef'
| 42 making /home/spad/axiom/src/doc/Makefile from
| /home/spad/axiom/src/doc/Makefile.pamphlet
| 41 making /home/spad/axiom/src/doc
| make[3]: Entering directory `/home/spad/axiom/src/doc'
| 1 making /home/spad/axiom/int/doc/axiom.bib from
| /home/spad/axiom/src/doc/axiom.bib.pamphlet
| 2 making /home/spad/axiom/mnt/linux/bin/tex/axiom.sty from
| /home/spad/axiom/src/doc/axiom.sty.pamphlet
| 3 making /home/spad/axiom/mnt/linux/doc/DeveloperNotes.dvi from
| /home/spad/axiom/src/doc/DeveloperNotes.pamphlet
| The root module <<*>> was not defined.
| 4 making /home/spad/axiom/mnt/linux/doc/book.dvi from
| /home/spad/axiom/src/doc/book.pamphlet
| 4 making /home/spad/axiom/mnt/linux/doc/bookvol1.dvi from
| /home/spad/axiom/src/doc/bookvol1.pamphlet

Just press the "enter" button several times (you have to do this on
two occasions I think). I suspect this has to do with LaTeX getting
confused while building the bookvol1.  Somethink is wrong
somewhere with bookvol1.tex but I never got to figure out what.

-- Gaby



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When the axiom build dies in the documentation there is an
error in the latex and latex has put up a prompt. Because of
"noise reduction" you don't see the prompt. Type 'X' and it
should continue.

To find the error you need to run Latex in its normal noisy mode. Do

 make NOISE=

and you'll see the latex output. Alternatively you can just extract
the latex from the pamphlet, latex the result, and see the error.
The SVN should never contain bad latex.

t



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root <daly@axiom-developer.org> writes:

[...]

| The SVN should never contain bad latex.

It has been so since the initial se up...
I'll look ino it later.

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Thanks!! Two enters did it.



Gabriel Dos Reis wrote:
> root <daly@axiom-developer.org> writes:
>
> [...]
>
> | The SVN should never contain bad latex.
>
> It has been so since the initial se up...
> I'll look ino it later.
>
> -- Gaby
>
>   

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Oops ... forgot to post the results:

4 making /home/spad/axiom/mnt/linux/doc/bookvol1.dvi from
/home/spad/axiom/src/doc/bookvol1.pamphlet


This is makeindex, version 2.14 [02-Oct-2002] (kpathsea + Thai support).
Scanning input file bookvol1.idx.....done (1127 entries accepted, 0
rejected).
Sorting entries............done (12024 comparisons).
Generating output file bookvol1.ind.....done (875 lines written, 0
warnings).
Output written in bookvol1.ind.
Transcript written in bookvol1.ilg.



M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:
> Thanks!! Two enters did it.
>
>
>
> Gabriel Dos Reis wrote:
>   
>> root <daly@axiom-developer.org> writes:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> | The SVN should never contain bad latex.
>>
>> It has been so since the initial se up...
>> I'll look ino it later.
>>
>> -- Gaby
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>>   
>>     
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>   

-- 
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Hi Frederic,

>> For those insterested in trying with (free software) qemu, the
>> following commands worked for me (Debian sarge):

>> $ wget -c http://alfredo.axiom-developer.org/doyen/doyen-42206.iso
>> $ qemu -user-net -m 256 -cdrom doyen-42206.iso -boot d

I am trying to run Doyen inside qemu, however the option -user-net
does not exist.
-net user[options] is there. I would like to know if this is the one
you used and if
the network card worked, with what options.

Regards,

Alfredo



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Hi,

On Sat, Jun 24, 2006 at 11:26:56AM -0400, Alfredo Portes wrote:

> >>For those insterested in trying with (free software) qemu, the
> >>following commands worked for me (Debian sarge):
>=20
> >>$ wget -c http://alfredo.axiom-developer.org/doyen/doyen-42206.iso
> >>$ qemu -user-net -m 256 -cdrom doyen-42206.iso -boot d
>=20
> I am trying to run Doyen inside qemu, however the option -user-net
> does not exist.

... anymore.

> -net user[options] is there. I would like to know if this is the one
> you used and if
> the network card worked, with what options.

Actually, when using the qemu in Debian sarge (Version=A0:
0.6.1+20050407-1), this option was useful to get net access.

I have not yet tried doyen with the qemu in Debian sid (Version 0.8.1,
see http://packages.qa.debian.org/q/qemu.html) but with other similar
tests I found that simply drop this (old) option (that has vanished
from newer qemu) was enough (even as a user... but it might be some
magic from the default Debian qemu configuration).

Best regards,
Fr=E9d=E9ric Lehobey





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Hello,

I am getting this error message when I lauch axiom :

syntax error: expected a newcommand
not a word
(HyperDoc) While parsing RootPage on line 1
        in the file /var/axiom/dev/mnt/linux/doc/hypertex/pages/rootpage.ht
Trying to print the next ten tokens
\{ up3d \} \} \par \newcommand \{ \MenuDotBitmap \} \{
n
syntax error: expected a newcommand
not a word
(HyperDoc) While parsing ErrorPage on line 1
        in the file /var/axiom/dev/mnt/linux/doc/hypertex/pages/util.ht
Trying to print the next ten tokens
\{ ProtectedQuitPage \} \} \newcommand \{ \UpButton \} \{ \upbutton

Included the two incremined files.

Regards,
Antoine Hersen

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Hello,<br><br>I am getting this error message when I lauch axiom :<br><br>syntax error: expected a newcommand<br>not a word<br>(HyperDoc) While parsing RootPage on line 1<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; in the file /var/axiom/dev/mnt/linux/doc/hypertex/pages/rootpage.ht
<br>Trying to print the next ten tokens<br>\{ up3d \} \} \par \newcommand \{ \MenuDotBitmap \} \{ <br>n<br>syntax error: expected a newcommand<br>not a word<br>(HyperDoc) While parsing ErrorPage on line 1<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; in the file /var/axiom/dev/mnt/linux/doc/hypertex/pages/util.ht
<br>Trying to print the next ten tokens<br>\{ ProtectedQuitPage \} \} \newcommand \{ \UpButton \} \{ \upbutton <br><br>Included the two incremined files.<br><br>Regards,<br>Antoine Hersen<br><br>

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is your AXIOM shell variable set to:

export AXIOM=/var/axiom/dev/mnt/linux

t



