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Subject: Re: recently posted toolbar icon replacements
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Andy Piper writes:
 > > I vote against most of these icons. They look good (most of them), but
 > > only a small subset is easily recognizable what they should do. A
 > > black-forest house meaning open directory -- ah, come on!)
 > > 
 > > The old ones may b a little bit greyish, but they obey the golden
 > > rule of design: *form* *follows* *function*
 > 
 > I deliberately made them grey for this reason. I found that colour
 > made them less clear, and they tended to clash since a colour that
 > was right for one was wrong for another.
 > 
 > OTOH I think the CDE icons strike the right balance between 
 > colour, readability and uniformness. They're just too damn big.
 > 
 > andy
 > 

I vote for the current grey icons with the labels. The pictures are
clear, and pleasant, the words legible, and function is useful.  

As an aside, the only ones I actually use are Print, Mail, Info and
News, and some times Debug.

I think reasons I don't use the others is that 

1) they access functionality for which I burned path ways into my
   brain inthe 18.36 days of FSF emacs.
2) they access functionality that is a later part of a sequence of
   operations, a sequence which I don't typically "set up" with the
   mouse.  I.E., if I'd made a typing error, I've done it with the
   keyboard, so I use the keyboard to invoke UnDo.  

3) I recognize that Open, Save, Cut, Copy, and Paste I guess have to
   be on the menu bar so we can advertise that we support those too;
   however, for me both clause 1 (the intelligence for how to Cut,
   Copy & Paste is handled by the neurons in my elbow, by now :-) and
   clause 2 (if I use the keyboard to set the point, why goto the
   menubar to paste?)  kicks in.
    
-mac

