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From: Martin Buchholz <mrb@Eng.Sun.COM>
To: kifer@CS.SunySB.EDU (Michael Kifer)
Cc: XEmacs Beta Test <xemacs-beta@xemacs.org>
Subject: Re: mule help 
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>>>>> "Michael" == Michael Kifer <kifer@CS.SunySB.EDU> writes:

>> Currently, canna, wnn, and XIM are the choices for input, and XIM is a
>> general mechanism that connects to any input method that can speak the
>> XIM protocol.
>> 
>> Martin

Michael> so, the bottom line is how to get it to work.  Say, I want to type in
Michael> greek, cyrillic, hebrew, etc., which are not complex Asian languages, what
Michael> should I do after switching to the appropriate language mode?

Michael> Also, for Japanese, etc., how does one set XEmacs to work with an external
Michael> program, and where to get one? A short help note to this effect would
Michael> greatly improve one's chances.

Michael> And even for the Asian languages for which help-with-tutorial-for-mule is
Michael> available, this function isn't accessible from the Help menu, so one
Michael> wouldn't know.

In an ideal world, an application wouldn't have to deal with input at
all, characters would simply arrive.  For the most part, this is true
in an English world - XEmacs doesn't care that you use the shift key
to type `E', for example.  So the answer to how to do input ought to
be: the same way as your other apps.   XIM tries to make this dream a
reality.  Two problems:

- Input methods that speak XIM have not advanced far, especially free ones.
- XIM assumes a locale-oriented world, while XEmacs is multi-lingual.
  In fact, XIM is initialized just once based on $LANG, and currently
  cannot be changed.

In the real world, XEmacs needs to have ways of doing its own language
input.  This is what canna/wnn/quail/its/egg/skk are about.  I don't
understand all these things.  The work is not done yet.

I have mostly assumed the presence of a Japanese OS environment, and
there no documentation is necessary, since XIM `just works'.

It will be interesting to see what input methods will be supported in
the coming Emacs/Mule merge.  Perhaps none of the above.

I include a gif of me entering japanese text into my hideously colored
Japanized XEmacs:


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