




Date: Sat, 5 Nov 1994 05:48:15 -0400
From: GD_ROPPENHEI@fair1.fairfield.edu
Subject: Re: Origami Speech

Anne Pelowski's book "THE STORY VINE" has a nice origami story that you tell
as you fold. The Brothers Long And Short. This technique of having an abstract
     shape that gets created
while you are folding resemble something from life is very exciting to observe.
I don't know if Tom Hull remembers the story Megan Hicks did informally at the
Convention about his frog, but I think that might be an approach to the  apathy
you may face.
 Ruth O., 12 Outer Road., S. Norwalk CT 06854





Date: Sun, 6 Nov 1994 01:44:29 -0400
From: VickyAV@aol.com
Subject: Re: Best Japanese books and paper

Re: Books and Paper sources in Japan

There is a series of hardcover books by Kunihiko Kasahara that are fabulous.
 Viva Origami (in collaboration with Jun Maekawa) has an intricate red devil
on the cover - complete with fingers, a tail, wings, ears, and a tongue.   Do
you know of these?  Other titles are Top Origami with Montroll's steg. on the
cover (I think this is the translated "Origami for the Connoisseur"),
Origami, La Era Nueva   and   Origami, El Mundo Nuevo (with an alligator and
rhino on covers respectively).
These have been occasionally available at the Kinokuniya book stores here in
the US but I didn't know if you had one in your neighborhood.

It's sometimes difficult to find specific books because some stores seem to
handle only certain publishers.  I would suggest that you show your husband
(friends or reletives) the type of models you're interested in (skill level)
and even type of models such as flowers, animals, trains, etc.  I picked up
books that have these specific themes.  There is always something new to
find!

The Nippon Origami Association (NOA) has its monthly magazine and may have
other books for sale at their office:
1-096 Domir Gobancho, 12 Gobancho. Chiyodaku,   Tokyo
phone:03-3262-4764   fax 03-3262-4479

I found fabulous paper and some books at:
Yushima No Kobayashi Co., Ltd
Origami Kaikan
7-14 Yushima, 1-Chome, Bunkyo-ku   Tokyo
03-811-4025      fax 03-815-3348
(say Hi to Mr. Kobayashi for me).

A huge department store dedicated to all kinds of crafts:
Tokyo Hands - Shibuya Store
12-18, Udagawa-cho, Shibuya-ku,  Tokyo

Hope this helps.  I have more info buried in my files and need to dig some
more, but this is a start.

happy shopping!
Vicky





Date: Sun, 6 Nov 1994 11:06:59 -0400
From: gordons@infi.net (Sharon Gordon)
Subject: Re: Best Japanese books and paper

Thanks for the list.  It looks like some interesting things are
available.  A department store devoted to all kinds of crafts sounds
like fun as well!

Sharon
gordons@infi.net





Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 04:58:54 -0400
From: ee3jpl@ee.edinburgh.ac.uk
Subject: Origami on the net....

        Hi - I am trying to put together a Mosaic Origami Page and I would
like to know about what resources for origami are available on the net and
if you would like a link to your origami pages please let me know. Any FAQ's
, models (postscript?) etc would be most welcomed.

        The page is still being constructed but if you want you can try
it out on

        http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~ee3jpl/

TIA!
               Paul





Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 11:55:16 -0400
From: sulkinds@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu (Danny Sulkin)
Subject: RE: Origami Speech

The story I use is aimed at younger audiences, but most groups like it.
It's the one about a boy who plays captain by wearing a paper captain's
hat. As he grows up he, instead becomes a fireman and his hat changes. War
breaks out and he joins the Navy. He fulfills his dream by becoming a
captain of a ship. (Again his hat changes. And once again to become his
ship.) While at sea the ship is attacked and the mast is blown off. They
return fire. Then the bow is blown off. They radio for help and continue
the fight. Now the stern is blown off and the ship sinks. When help
arrives, all that is left is the captain's t-shirt.
The story combines origami and magic to a certain extent and is
self-working magic.

Danny Sulkin
Manager
Media Services
(sulkinds@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu)





Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 14:47:40 -0400
From: plank@cs.utk.edu
Subject: WWW page address change

For anyone who had links to my origami page, the address has finally
gone http (it used to just be ftp).

It's now:

http://www.cs.utk.edu/~plank/plank/pics/origami/origami.html

Enjoy,

Jim
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jim Plank
plank@cs.utk.edu
http://www.cs.utk.edu/~plank





Date: Mon, 07 Nov 1994 21:11:30 -0400
From: Kevin Thorne <C598033@MIZZOU1.missouri.EDU>
Subject: Re: Origami Speech

     I just gave a speech on Origami in my class a couple weeks ago.  I
found that the actual folding of a model and showing all the steps got
the most attention from the students because they had never seen it
before and simply couldn't believe it when I turned a flat sheet of paper
into a crane.  Seeing the folding take place definitely got their
attention.  You might also show a diagram of the steps used to make the
model you are going to fold.
     The ideas about storytelling are also interesting and should work
well.  I have seen an entire book devoted to the telling of stories using
Origami and found it quite interesting.
     You also might try showing the scientific side of Origami.  Peter
Engel's "Folding the Universe" gives a magnificent in depth discussion
about the side of Origami we usually don't think about.
     And if your TA has to listen to a speech about the life story of Bill
Clinton, one on NAFTA or another on an ancient Chinese-Japanese art yours
should do great!!!  Good luck!

                         Kevin





Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 04:56:57 -0400
From: "M.J.van.Gelder" <M.J.van.Gelder@rc.rug.nl>
Subject: Re: animated paper airplanes the greatest paper airplanes

Hi all,

m>    I have put this program on the archives (the shareware version
m>anyway). It's 780K or so zipped, as 'gpa.zip'; The progam runs under
m>Windows. It's pretty cool.

I've moved the file gpa.zip to the directory programs.

Maarten van Gelder, Rekencentrum RuG, RijksUniversiteit Groningen, Holland





Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 05:09:56 -0400
From: "M.J.van.Gelder" <M.J.van.Gelder@rc.rug.nl>
Subject: Member list

Each month I get the list of members from our list server. I have it scanned
and reformatted to a file members.txt in the lists directory.
It shows up that we have at this moment 255 members. They reside in several
countries. From the adresses in some nets (like ORG and BITNET) I can't tell
their country.
Here is only the first page of the file:

================== Part of member list file =============================

List of countries/nets (26) where members 'live'
List date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 07:10:06 -0400

   # of members   In net/country

              5   AU        Australia
              1   BE        Belgium (Kingdom of)
              1   BITNET
              2   BR        Brazil (Federative Republic of)
             19   CA        Canada
              1   CO        Colombia (Republic of)
             70   COM
             95   EDU
              3   ES        Spain (Kingdom of)
              4   FI        Finland (Republic of)
              1   FR        France (French Republic)
              4   GOV
              1   HR        Croatia
              4   IT        Italy (Italian Republic)
              1   JP        Japan
              1   MIL
              2   MX        Mexico (United Mexican States)
              9   NET
              5   NL        Netherlands (Kingdom of the)
              1   NO        Norway (Kingdom of)
              6   ORG
              1   SE        Sweden (Kingdom of)
              1   SG        Singapore (Republic of)
              1   TR        Turkey (Republic of)
             12   UK        United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern
Ireland
              4   US        United States (United States of America)

List of members (255) sorted on IP address

====================== for full list see the archives =================

Maarten van Gelder, Rekencentrum RuG, RijksUniversiteit Groningen, Holland





Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 11:07:52 -0400
From: prubin@nyx.cs.du.edu (Paul Rubin)
Subject: Re: Origami Speech

Kevin Thorne recommended Peter Engel's excellent book
"Folding the Universe", however, I've had difficulty
obtaining a new copy of the book.  The Friends of the
Origami Center of America said that it was out of print?
Any suggestions?

Thanks

Paul Rubin
prubin@nyx.cs.du.edu





Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 11:17:58 -0400
From: Jose Tomas Buitrago Molina <buitrago@registro.univalle.edu.co>
Subject: Request:information about origami convention...

Hello origami people!

I read the mail archives about the Origami convention in USA.
Here in Colombia there's some origami mates who like to go to the
convention the next year...
We like to knew all the information about the convention, place, date,
costs, requirements and so forth.

Thank you for information,

Jose Tomas





Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 11:33:07 -0400
From: Marc_Hache@MBnet.MB.CA (Marc Hache)
Subject: Re: Origami Speech

>Kevin Thorne recommended Peter Engel's excellent book
>"Folding the Universe", however, I've had difficulty
>obtaining a new copy of the book.  The Friends of the
>Origami Center of America said that it was out of print?
>Any suggestions?
>
>Thanks
>
>Paul Rubin
>prubin@nyx.cs.du.edu
>

Dover just re-issued this book in softcover. Mine came in last week. :-).

Marc Hache
Account Executive
Pioneer/Zentronics
(204) 989-1955





Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 11:52:46 -0400
From: Mette Pederson <mette@msmail.gateway.bsis.com>
Subject: Re: Origami Speech

I just purchased a new copy of Peter Engel's "Folding the Universe-Origami
from Angelfish to Zen" two weeks ago.  They have reprinted the book with a
different color cover this year.  So, you should start seeing the book in
stores soon.  The ISBN number is 0-486-28138-8.  It still contains the long
"introduction" at the beginning of the book.

Mette Pederson
mette@msmail.gateway.bsis.com





Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 13:37:41 -0400
From: Mette Pederson <mette@msmail.gateway.bsis.com>
Subject: Peter Engel's book

The price of Peter Engel's book "Origami Angelfish to Zen" (ISBN
0-486-28138-8)
is $12.95.

Mette Pederson
mette@msmail.gateway.bsis.com





Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 14:28:53 -0400
From: Sheila Davis <sew@hpfisew.fc.hp.com>
Subject: Extra book for sale

        Rats.  I hate it when I do this.  After returning from my
        recent trip to the Bay Area, I discovered that I bought a
        duplicate of an origami book that I already own.

        So, not wanting it to go to waste, and hoping to recover a
        few dollars from my mistake, I'll offer it to anyone on the
        list who's interested.

        It's "Origami Insects" (mushi no origami) by Momotani ? (can't
        decipher his first name).  The book is in Japanese, from the
        "Origami Land" series.  The models are (surprise :-) insects
        that vary from simple to intermediate, most being modular.
        They're very impressive looking when complete, though.  They
        must be, or I wouldn't have bought the book twice. :-)

        It cost me $16.80+tax, but if someone wants it for $15, it's
        yours.  Please contact me directly at sew@hpfisew.fc.hp.com.
        Thanks!
Regards,

  Sheila Davis        Hewlett-Packard IC Business Division
 sew@hpfisew.fc.hp.com          Fort Collins, Colorado





Date: Tue, 08 Nov 1994 14:47:52 -0400
From: "CAMP: Updegrove, Dale A." <dale.updegrove@camp.org>
Subject: Member list

ORG is an organization here in the U.S.  My e-mail address ends with
@camp.org.  CAMP is Cleveland Advanced Manufacturing Program.

:: Dale ::





Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 20:33:06 -0400
From: JanetJWH@aol.com
Subject: Re: Request:information about...

Jose,

The Origami USA 1995 convention is scheduled for June 23-25, 1995 in New York
City.  The convention has been at the Fashion Institute of Technology campus
for the last two years, though I don't know for sure if the location has been
finalized for '95.  Rooms are usually available at the FIT dorms for a
reasonable price (at least, reasonable for New York City).

Friday night the convention opens for early registrations, viewing of the
models that are to be taught, and informal folding sessions.  There are
classes Saturday and Sunday, with the OUSA business meeting and dinner on
Saturday evening.

Registration at the convention gets you lots of paper and a copy of the OUSA
annual collection, with dozens of new models.  Added attractions are the Gold
Mine, with rare papers and origami collectables; unbelievably beautiful
creations in the display rooms; and the supply center, with samples of all
the books and papers available from OUSA on display and available for
purchase.

Janet





Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 22:09:09 -0400
From: JMCAFEE@aol.com
Subject: Re: Request:information about...

Can anyone tell me how to acquire some origami paper of the following
dimensions:  either 30cm by 30cm  or  50cm by 50cm.
Specifically, some middle school students have undertaken a project and need
to work with paper of these dimensions.  Is there a catalog available for
ordering origami materials.  Any response would be appreciated.  Thanks!!
      jmcafee@aol.com





Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 23:50:41 -0400
From: dfisher@staff.cs.su.oz.au (David Fisher)
Subject: Origami Thesis

My origami thesis is finally in the archives !
Right now it is in /origami/.incoming, but it will
presumably be moved to some other directory sometime soon ...

The thesis is in PostScript format (with no pictures)
and is about 400K long. I have also included three gif files -
"swan.gif" shows the final state of a swan made from mountain and
valley folds, "eg.gif" gives a typical example of the running program
and "pajarita.gif" is the output of a separate program which folds
a complete crease pattern.

I apologize for the lack of pictures in the thesis;
I hope you have a good imagination !

The origami language has some faults ("tucking in" hasn't been done
properly, and it would probably be easy to find many other problems),
but I would love to know what people think of it.

Thanks again to everyone who offered suggestions this year ...

David Fisher

 _-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_
 14 Morona Avenue
 Wahroonga 2076
 Sydney NSW Australia





Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 12:20:01 -0400
From: MKFIRE@aol.com
Subject: Re: Origami Speech

Dover Publishing just republished it-it was published by a differerent
company before.  i found it at a local Boston bookstore.  Also Dover puts out
a catalogue which you could order from.  They are in New York. Will give you
the address if you would like.
MKFIRE





Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 17:59:10 -0400
From: Yusri.Johan@dekalb.DC.PeachNet.EDU
Subject: Re: Origami Thesis

David Fisher writes:
>
> My origami thesis is finally in the archives !
> Right now it is in /origami/.incoming, but it will
> presumably be moved to some other directory sometime soon ...

Can you please tell me where (I am refering to the site) I can get it?

Yusri Johan





Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 21:52:11 -0400
From: LDIENER@delphi.com
Subject: Re: Request:information about...

I often use foil backed christmas paper and cut it to the proper
dimensions with a table top paper cutter.  The only problem is that
this paper is somewhat brittle and will crack with repeated folds on
the same crease.  Good luck.





Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 03:45:46 -0400
From: urgias@tsmi19.sissa.it
Subject: Re: Origami Speech

>
> Dover Publishing just republished it-it was published by a differerent
> company before.  i found it at a local Boston bookstore.  Also Dover puts out
> a catalogue which you could order from.  They are in New York. Will give you
> the address if you would like.
> MKFIRE

Please, can you send the address to the list?
Thank you,

Luisa Urgias





Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 08:38:11 -0400
From: ee3jpl@ee.edinburgh.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Origami Thesis

>
> David Fisher writes:
> >
> > My origami thesis is finally in the archives !
> > Right now it is in /origami/.incoming, but it will
> > presumably be moved to some other directory sometime soon ...
>
> Can you please tell me where (I am refering to the site) I can get it?
>
> Yusri Johan
>

        It's at a ftp site called rugcis.rug.nl in the directory /origami

        Enjoy!
        cheers
               Paul





Date: Sat, 12 Nov 1994 21:46:01 -0400
From: aratner@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Alexander Ratner)
Subject: yet another Web gem!

While flitting around the Web today, I came across a page of interest
to us paperfolding people.  For those of you who have access to
Mosaic or some other WWW reader, have a go at:

  http://www.sgi.com:80/grafica/fold/page001.html

It's a full-color step-by-step lesson in a familiar (for me at least)
pleated zig-zag troublewit-type fold.  Very nicely done.

yer folding friend,

alex ratner





Date: Sun, 13 Nov 1994 11:21:15 -0400
From: hull@cs.uri.edu (Tom Hull)
Subject: More origami-math articles!!!

Hello all you bitland dwellers! Tom Hull here.
        I just returned from a fun-filled, but brief visit to the Origami
USA (go team! Rah! Rah!) home office. My mission was to look for as many
origami-math related items as possible in their humungoid library.
I ended up spending nearly all my time rifling through their collection
of British Origami Society Magazines. There was SO MUCH stuff hidden in
these issues that I didn't have time to go through anything else!
        Of special note was a series of 9 articles by Jacques Justin
(of France) titled "Mathematics of Origami". These appeared in issues
110-118 (Feb. 1985 - June 1986) and are a **major find** because so little
of J. Justin's work has been translated into English.
        The articles cover a wide range of origami-math topics, from
folding fractal dragon curves to postage stamp folding to flexagons to
geometric constructions (he presents Peter Messer's method of folding
the cube root of 2!) to general flat origami theory. In fact, he
attempts to characterize flat origamis in a way completely different
(yet probably equivalent) from the methods of Kawasaki and myself!
Neat stuff!
        Of course, if anyone would like copies of these articles,
I'd be happy to supply them! Just send a Self-Addressed, Stamped Envelope
to
        Tom Hull
        Dept. of Math
        University of Rhode Island
        Kingston, RI 02881-0816  USA

        As far a postage goes, two 29 cent stamps will cover the Justin
articles. But I got plenty of other stuff from these old BOS issues,
so the more postage you provide, the more stuff I'll send ya! The same
goes for international dudes.
--------------------------------- Tom "hot dog hell" Hull





Date: Sun, 13 Nov 1994 16:06:30 -0400
From: Origamiist@aol.com
Subject: Sheila I want that book!!!!!!

YES!!!!!!! I want the book!!
e-mail me at
origamiist@aol.com
P.S. I'd be willing to pay full price. I have been looking for this book!

-Vern Zehr





Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 08:59:20 -0400
From: marmonk@eskimo.com (Mark Morden)
Subject: Water*Air*Earth*Fire; the Conclusion

This message is for those who like closure and follow-up to inquiries made
to the group.

A few months ago, (June, I believe) I made a general request for models that
would represent the four elements: Water*Air*Earth*Fire.  I was in the
process of organizing an international convention for the Association for
Preservation Technology that was held last month in Seattle.  The theme of
the conference was Water*Air*Earth*Fire, The Four Elements.   I wanted to
give a little something to the other steering committee members that were
helping with the organinzing.  My idea was to make four origami pins, one
for each of the elements, and present them to the committee members.

There were a number of suggestions given, some helpful and some rather
bizarre (which will be left unsaid to protect the identity of the
respondent).  What I decided on was to do four animals so that the theme was
somewhat consistent.   For Water I folded the Goldfish from "Creative
Origami," by Kunihiko Kasahara.  For air I used a simplified crane.  I can't
remember where the pattern was from but it is a nesting crane or a crane
with folded wings.   For Earth I made an elephant out of "Folding Money,
Volume Two," edited by Samuel Randlett.  The book is out of print, but the
pattern can be found in "The Buck Book," from the Klutz Press.  Finally for
fire I used a dragon from "Origami Museum I, Animals," by Akira Yoshizawa.

After the models were folded, I glued a pin backing to each one and coated
them with two coats of "Joli-glaze."  I don't know what Joli-glaze is made
of (no ingredients are listed on the label, but you wouldn't want an open
flame  near the stuff) but it dries to a clear, hard finish.  I gives a nice
permanence to the models.

I am happy to say that the gifts went over very well.  Those that received
them wore them each day.  Many people commented on the pins and wanted to
know where they came from and how they could get one.  I probably done quite
well peddling pins during break time with a table set up in the lobby.

The closing speaker for the conference had spent a year in Japan.  We asked
her to speak about her experiences with Japanese preservationists.  After
reading her resume, I could see that she was a life-long Republican, so I
presented her one of the elephant pins.  She really lit up when she saw it,
which suprised me.  Then it dawned on me that having spent a year in Japan
she probably developed an appreciation for origami.

That's the story.  Thanks again to those who responded with suggestions so
many months ago .

Mark Morden
marmonk@eskimo.com





Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 11:50:40 -0400
From: dlc@gate.net
Subject: Hello and two FAQs

Hi everyone.  It is nice to find this list!  I am interested in two things:

1.  Where can I order large amounts of one color of paper?

2.  Does anyone have any ideas for covering/preserving origami figures?  I am
thinking about some kind of light weight plastic.  I have a couple of
different ideas.  I am wanting to make some origami jewelry and I would like to
make it fairly permanent and substantive.  I also make a cube with unit
origami that I like as a picture cube.  My own cube is just paper, and I am a
little leary of using something that will hide the fact that it is stable on its
own, but I would like to make some of these as gifts, and I think I need the
covering.  (Of course, if mine comes apart, I can put it back together!  :-)

Thanks,
David

ps)  Ok, three questions :-) Is there an origami FAQ, and if so where?





Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 16:08:45 -0400
From: UBEPAYNE@msuvx2.memphis.edu
Subject: Re: Hello and two FAQs

>From:  IN%"origami-l@nstn.ca" 14-NOV-1994 09:57:29.62
>Subj:  Hello and two FAQs
>
>Hi everyone.  It is nice to find this list!  I am interested in two things:
>
>1.  Where can I order large amounts of one color of paper?
>
>2.  Does anyone have any ideas for covering/preserving origami figures?  I am
>thinking about some kind of light weight plastic.  I have a couple of
>different ideas.  I am wanting to make some origami jewelry and I would like to
>make it fairly permanent and substantive.  I also make a cube with unit
>origami that I like as a picture cube.  My own cube is just paper, and I am a
>little leary of using something that will hide the fact that it is stable on
     its
>own, but I would like to make some of these as gifts, and I think I need the
>covering.  (Of course, if mine comes apart, I can put it back together!  :-)
>
>Thanks,
>David
>
>ps)  Ok, three questions :-) Is there an origami FAQ, and if so where?

In response to your second question: there is a way to preserve paper and
stiffen it, if you go to your local art supply store you can get a mixture
called Hoge Poge, or something like like that. You just brush it on and allow
it to dry, when it is dry the paper is like card board. It is used to make
certain types of jewelry and hair bows.

For your first question; try an office supply warehouse, they will have numerous
colors of copy paper that you can have milled for little or no money. the paper
is very inexpensive, 500 sheets for 3 dollars.

                                 BeP





Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 16:46:56 -0400
From: Alan Light <alight@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Hello and two FAQs

>
> >From:        IN%"origami-l@nstn.ca" 14-NOV-1994 09:57:29.62
> >Subj:        Hello and two FAQs
> >
> >Hi everyone.  It is nice to find this list!  I am interested in two things:
> >
> >1.  Where can I order large amounts of one color of paper?
> >

The OrigamiUSA supply center sells packages of paper in either an
assortment of colors or all of one color (and they have quite a few
colors available).

--
/-\ |_ /-\ |\|  Alan Light  alight@panix.com |  History's third dimension is
(finger alight@panix.com for PGP public key) |  always fiction. - Hermann Hesse





Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 11:31:31 -0400
From: GURKEWITZ@WCSUB.CTSTATEU.EDU
Subject: RE: More origami-math articles!!!

I know a few references that are not in the OUSA collection that I'd
be willing to mail to people sending a SASE.

I had access to the collection because I'm Lillian's grandaughter and
used to stay over almost every week for years. She let me look through
her entire collection of models diagrams books and papers.
Unfortunately, some things have not survived in the collection to
this day.  I also had access to two other major collections in the
70's.

Available:

1) Peter Messer's published articles about trisecting angles and
constructing cubic equations.

2) Manifold article about Abe's trisection of an arbitrary angle.

3) Jacques Justin's paper about Mathematical Theory of Origami Bases.

There is also a book called "build you own Polyhedra" by two mathematicians

Peter Hilton and Jean Petersen, that is not origami, but has some interesting
math and paperfolding material.

Rona
gurkewitz@wcsub.ctstateu.edu





Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 11:43:05 -0400
From: GURKEWITZ@WCSUB.CTSTATEU.EDU
Subject: origami polyhedra book

Looks like my book with Bennett Arnstein will be published around
next September by Dover publications.  We are quite excited about it.
It should contain aroun 60 models.

Rona
gurkewitz@wcsub.ctstateu.edu





Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 11:56:56 -0400
From: GURKEWITZ@WCSUB.CTSTATEU.EDU
Subject: origami math articles

From:   SMTP%"Postmaster@WCSUB.CTSTATEU.EDU" 15-NOV-1

  Forgot to mention that I might not answer immediately because I'm
  going to the Origami Science Meeting in Japan and will be away for
  a few weeks.  My paper is called "Modular Origami Polyhedra"

  Rona
  gurkewitz@wcsub.ctstateu.edu





Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 05:51:38 -0400
From: "A.G. Bateman" <agb22@cus.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: stamp folding

Could anyone tell me something about the stamp folding problem?

Also, I have been told that you can only fold a piece of paper in half 7
times, or maybe 9 or 13, in fact the people who tell me this don't
seem to know either. Fact or fiction?

                                Alex Bateman





Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 06:04:40 -0400
From: ee3jpl@ee.edinburgh.ac.uk
Subject: Re: stamp folding

I don't know the stamp folding problem but I do know the paper folding
one. I have an article somewhere (!) that 'proves' that you can't fold a piece
of paper in half more then nine times. I just managed seven folding up my
lab work just now! How many times can other people manage? I would think
that there is an upper limit as the number of layers doubles at any stage.
Anyone else know better?

Paul





Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 06:11:57 -0400
From: Andrea Sterbini <andrea@dsi.uniroma1.it>
Subject: Re: stamp folding

> Also, I have been told that you can only fold a piece of paper in half 7
> times, or maybe 9 or 13, in fact the people who tell me this don't
> seem to know either. Fact or fiction?
>
>                                 Alex Bateman

If you fold in half a piece of paper 7 times you get 2 to the seventh layers
of paper, that is 128 layers. 128 times 7/100th mm (origami paper thickness)
is 896/100th mm i.e. circa 8 mm.

2^9*7/100 mm = 512 * 7/100 = 35.14 mm
2^13*7/100 mm = 8192 * 7/100 = 573.74 mm

        Andrea

--
Andrea Sterbini
Computer Science Dept., University of Rome "La Sapienza", Italy
andrea@dsi.uniroma1.it





Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 10:40:47 -0400
From: "A.G. Bateman" <agb22@cus.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: stamp folding

On Wed, 16 Nov 1994, Andrea Sterbini wrote:

> > Also, I have been told that you can only fold a piece of paper in half 7
> > times, or maybe 9 or 13, in fact the people who tell me this don't
> > seem to know either. Fact or fiction?
> >
> >                                 Alex Bateman
>
> If you fold in half a piece of paper 7 times you get 2 to the seventh layers
> of paper, that is 128 layers. 128 times 7/100th mm (origami paper thickness)
> is 896/100th mm i.e. circa 8 mm.
>
> 2^9*7/100 mm = 512 * 7/100 = 35.14 mm
> 2^13*7/100 mm = 8192 * 7/100 = 573.74 mm
>
>       Andrea
>
> --
> Andrea Sterbini
> Computer Science Dept., University of Rome "La Sapienza", Italy
> andrea@dsi.uniroma1.it
>
>
  I have heard that even if you use a really big bit of paper, you can't
fold more than so many times. Of course one could calculate the minimum
thickness of paper possible, related to the molecular size of cellulose.
Then calculate the largest sheet of paper possible, say using all the
cellulose in the world. Can I fold this in half more than 13 times. I
think that with a lot of help (it's a big bit of paper) I probably could.
Is this just an old wives tale?
                                 Alex Bateman





Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 11:00:33 -0400
From: hull@cs.uri.edu (Tom Hull)
Subject: Re: stamp folding

The stamp problem is the following:
        Given a string of n stamps, i.e., a roll, in how many different
ways can you fold them up along the perforations (sp?) to get a
folded-up stack of n stamps?
        Note: this is not simply a matter of counting the number of
different mountain/valley assignments to the folds. The ordering of
the layers makes a difference here! For example, if we had
three stamps, numbered 1, 2, 3 consecutively, then we could make
the two perforations valley folds and get TWO different ways to
fold them:
      1                  3
      3       <or>       1
      2                  2
        (The number stacks are supposed to represent the different
stacks of stamps.)
        This apparently is not an easy problem, but I believe it has
been solved. I'll report more when I learn more, if there's interest.

-------------- Tom "Snuffulufugus" Hull





Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 13:46:50 -0400
From: MKFIRE@aol.com
Subject: Re: Origami Speech

The address at Dover Publications is
31 East 2nd Street,
Mineola, NY 11501

Sorry about the delay in replying-have not checked messages in a while cause
I have been so busy at work.





Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 15:14:33 -0400
From: Rjlang@aol.com
Subject: Re: stamp folding

> Also, I have been told that you can only fold a piece of paper in half 7
> times, or maybe 9 or 13, in fact the people who tell me this don't
> seem to know either. Fact or fiction?

I've encountered this story a couple of times, most often with the claim that
7 is the max. Using thin paper and folding carefully, I've gotten it up to 8.
There's no real upper limit -- just the ol' exponential increase. 9 times
means you have 512 layers -- that's a ream of paper's thickness!

Robert





Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 15:39:50 -0400
From: SOYLENT GREEN <rhudson@yorkcol.edu>
Subject: Origami Speech Kudos!

Thanks to all who provided suggestions for my Origami speech.  I began by
bursting a butterfly bomb, showing off various models, including a bulldog I
wet-folded at Con', the F-14 I learned at 'CON, and a giraffe.  Then I
described my experiences, and had a display with some commonly used papers
(e.g. Foil, Kami, zenagraph), and finished with a lesson for a simple
grasshopper.  Then I showed them the Montroll grasshopper I had folded.  The
termination of the speech included a quote from Edgewise in the Newsletter
"Whether you're a hard geometric <showed the modular star thingy in Jackson's
new book), or a romantic (heart with wings from Biddle's New Origami), origami
has something to offer each and every one of you"

Came off great!  Pulled an A!

Thanks!

Rob





Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 12:59:31 -0400
From: Cynthia Pettit <pettit@cs.unc.edu>
Subject: Folding multiple times...

>>If you fold in half a piece of paper 7 times you get 2 to the eventh
>>layers of paper, that is 128 layers. 128 times 7/100th mm (origami paper
>>hickness) is 896/100th mm i.e. circa 8 mm.
>>
>> 2^9*7/100 mm = 512 * 7/100 = 35.14 mm
>> 2^13*7/100 mm = 8192 * 7/100 = 573.74 mm
>
>  I have heard that even if you use a really big bit of paper, you
>can't fold more than so many times. Of course one could calculate the
>minimum thickness of paper possible, related to the molecular size of
>cellulose.  Then calculate the largest sheet of paper possible, say
>using all the cellulose in the world. Can I fold this in half more
>than 13 times. I think that with a lot of help (it's a big bit of
>paper) I probably could.  Is this just an old wives tale?

Weeeeellll.  You also must consider that the paper is decreasing by
half each time.  For a piece of paper a kilometer square, folding it
13 times results in a surface area of 12.2 mm.  So even if you had a
piece of paper that was...well, let's see:

2^13 * x = 12.2     x = 12.2 / 2^13     x = 0.001mm

Even with a paper that's 0.001mm thick, then in 13 folds it makes a
*cube* 12.2mm on a side.

Cyn
--
        "It's not about driving down rt 66 and stopping at the Holiday Inn!
               It's about *adventure*!!"
                          ---Richard P Feynman





Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 13:53:29 -0400
From: "Lisa, Hodsdon" <LISAHAA@vax3.hmco.com>
Subject: RE: Folding multiple times...

I had some *very* persistent students manage 9 folds with a piece of notebook
     paper, but there was some question about whether the 9th bend could really
     be considered a "fold".

-Lisa Hodsdon





Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 15:07:18 -0400
From: Doctor Demento <barth@wam.umd.edu>
Subject: RE: Folding multiple times...

On Thu, 17 Nov 1994, Lisa, Hodsdon wrote:

> I had some *very* persistent students manage 9 folds with a piece of notebook
     paper, but there was some question about whether the 9th bend could really
     be considered a "fold".
>
> -Lisa Hodsdon
>

Yes...back in my high school days, we had a geometry teacher who
challenged us to fold a piece of paper 9 times.  With a lot of effort,
and not a little saliva, a couple of us managed it.  The final fold,
though, was only possible when we had sufficiently broken down the
paper's fibers with moisture and pressure that it would have been paper
mache otherwise.

I suspect an honest-to-God FOLD is probably not possible after the 7th.

Kevin





Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 16:53:56 -0400
From: yusri johan <yjohan@dekalb.DC.PeachNet.EDU>
Subject: '95 origami convention info, please

Can somebody give me some information about the 1995 Origami Convention?

Yusri Johan





Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 19:30:21 -0400
From: Martin Gibbs <mrg1001@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: '95 origami convention info, please

On Thu, 17 Nov 1994, yusri johan wrote:

> Can somebody give me some information about the 1995 Origami Convention?
>
> Yusri Johan
>

  Which one?  Where?
(This is an international list)





Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 08:57:52 -0400
From: yusri johan <yjohan@dekalb.DC.PeachNet.EDU>
Subject: '95 origami convention in New York info, please

Since I didn't specify which '95 origami convention in my first e-mail, I
am sending this one to clarify it. I need information on '95 Origami
Convention in New York. If anybody has information on this convention,
please e-mail me back.

Yusri Johan





Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 10:22:22 -0400
From: Jose Tomas Buitrago Molina <buitrago@registro.univalle.edu.co>
Subject: Re: '95 origami convention in New York info, please

On Fri, 18 Nov 1994, yusri johan wrote:

> Since I didn't specify which '95 origami convention in my first e-mail, I
> am sending this one to clarify it. I need information on '95 Origami
> Convention in New York. If anybody has information on this convention,
> please e-mail me back.
>
> Yusri Johan
>

Me too, please...

Jose Tomas





Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 13:57:06 -0400
From: "John Benecki, P.A. 710 x3541" <BENECKIJO@kpnwoa.mts.kpnw.org>
Subject: RE: '95 origami convention in New York info, please

  please inform me too, and/or all list memebers- also interested in any
  northwest (i.e. Oregon/Washington) conferences/conventions.

  are there any national societies/magazines?





Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 21:36:09 -0400
From: JanetJWH@aol.com
Subject: Re: '95 origami convention in...

The Origami USA convention is scheduled for June 23-25, 1995 in NYC.  The
last few years it has been held at the Fashion Institute of Technology,
though I don't know for sure if the location has been finalized for 1995.





Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 09:47:37 -0400
From: Peggy Ravitch <ravitch%mickey@stat.unc.edu>
Subject: Origami addresses

Gentle Reader,

I acquired a great list of origami supplies and books from (send SASE).
The back cover has an origami Statue of Liberty done by David Shall.

The Friends of the Origami Center of America
c/o Phyllis Meth
40-05 166th Street
Flushing, NY 11358

Origami organizations are rising in many corners of the world. Presently
we know of organizations in Belgium, Canada, England, France, Isreal,
Italy, Japan, Mexico, The Netherlands, New Zealand, Peru, Spain and the
USSR.
*****************************************************************
Membership in THE FRIENDS, a not-for-profit, educational arts
discounts on materials from the Supply Center, priority considerations
for Convention and Special Sessions attendance, and a much lower base
rate for all courses and publications.  Every Friend, through membership,
knowingly supports and shares origami in its development as an
international cultural pastime.  Write to:

The Friends of  the Origami Center of America
15 West 77 Street
New York,  NY 10024-5192
   Attn: Membership

Cost in US dollars:
Junior Friend                  US 15
Friend                         US 20
Overseas Friend                US 25
Family of Friends (for folding families) US 30
Supporting Friend              US 50
Patron Friend                  US 100
Life Friend                    US 500

Make your check payable to:
The Friends of the Origami Center of America.

I hope this helps,
Peggy Ravitch





Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 10:59:23 -0400
From: yusri johan <yjohan@dekalb.DC.PeachNet.EDU>
Subject: napkin folding books

Dear subscribers,

I am looking for some napkin folding books. Can anybody recommend some
books on this subject to me, please?

Yusri Johan





Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 11:16:57 -0400
From: "Lisa, Hodsdon" <LISAHAA@vax3.hmco.com>
Subject: RE: napkin folding books

>I am looking for some napkin folding books. Can anybody recommend some
>books on this subject to me, please?

>Yusri Johan

Are you in the states?

I have seen two different napkin folding books in the discount book section at
     Barnes & Noble in the Boston area.  My experience is that if books are in
     the discount section in Boston, they are in Michigan and Maine as well, so
     it might be worth a look if

Sorry, I don't know the names.  I passed them up because bookshelf space is at
     a premium at my house.  One was about $5 and had both standard and unusual
     folds.

lisa hodsdon





Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 12:38:16 -0400
From: Kelly Reed <kreed@lcsc.edu>
Subject: Re: napkin folding books

On Mon, 21 Nov 1994, yusri johan wrote:

> Dear subscribers,
>
> I am looking for some napkin folding books. Can anybody recommend some
> books on this subject to me, please?
>
> Yusri Johan
>

        Gay Merrill Gross has a wonderful napkin folding book which I
can't quite remember the name of.

        There are also two napkin folding books available from Dover
publications for about $3 each.

        If you would like me to look up the references on these, send me
a note and I will.

                              kelly reed
                              kreed@lcsc.edu





Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 13:31:09 -0400
From: "John Benecki, P.A. 710 x3541" <BENECKIJO@kpnwoa.mts.kpnw.org>
Subject: RE: Origami addresses

  do i send the sase to you, or to p. meth in flushing?

  are their any national paperart magazines?





Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 13:46:59 -0400
From: "John Benecki, P.A. 710 x3541" <BENECKIJO@kpnwoa.mts.kpnw.org>
Subject: Re: origami polyhedra book

  are there any national magazines for paper art? any well-knowqn national
  suppliers for supplies?





Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 05:02:58 -0400
From: "Dorinha M.S.S. Vitti" <dmssvitt@carpa.ciagri.usp.br>
Subject: napkin folding books

to Yusri Johan
I have a book named Origami and artcraft with 2 or 3 models of napkin
folds.if  you are interested send me your adress and  I'll  send you a
copy of the models.Dorinha.





Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 11:52:48 -0400
From: MKFIRE@aol.com
Subject: Flowers

Can anyone recommend some books with origami flowers.  I am looking for some
models that are not too difficult because I would like to make lots of
flowers in a somewhat short amount of time.
Thanks in advance for your help.
MKFIRE





Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 20:06:09 -0400
From: "Dorinha M.S.S. Vitti" <dmssvitt@carpa.ciagri.usp.br>
Subject: Re: Flowers

I have a nice model of flower, if you want, let me know, I will send for you.
Dorinha.





Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 21:20:30 -0400
From: JanetJWH@aol.com
Subject: Re: Flowers

Here are a few books of origami flowers:

Origami Flowers and Flower Arrangements by Appel and Gray - 11 flowers,
leaves, and containers.  Intermediate.

Fiori in Origami by Gazzera - 40 flowers, leaves, stems, containers.  In
Italian.  Intermediate.

Origami Flowers by Takahama - 28 flowers, in Japanese.  Intermediate to
Complex.

Origami for Children Volume 3 "Flower Origami" by Yamaguchi.  34 flowers, in
Japanese.  Simple to Intermediate.

All the books are available through OUSA.

Origami USA
c/o Phyliss Meth
40-05 166th Street
Flushing, NY 11358

Janet





Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 22:46:32 -0400
From: UtahJohn@aol.com
Subject: HELMET.BAS

     I   went to rugcis.rug.nl to FTP some origami programs.  I downloaded
the file HELMET.BAS from the directory ORIGAMI.  When I tried to run it on
this computer (an IBM-compatible, 486SX with MS-DOS 6.2) it ran way too fast!
 Then, I tried to run it on my oooooollllllllllldddddddd machine, I really
don't know what it is, except that it has a CGA monitor, and it comes with
DOS 3.2 (I think) and GW-BASIC 3.20.  It didn't run at all!  I changed the
first line of code to SCREEN 1,1 which my BASIC manual said would be OK on
the old machine, but it didn't run at all, still!

         Any suggestions?

:-)

++++++++++
John Pruess
UtahJohn@aol.com
282 N. Seemore Dr.
Kaysville, UT 84037-9526





Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 11:03:46 -0400
From: Brian Ewins <gapv64@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: HELMET.BAS

John-
        Maarten van Gelder altered these programs to account for
CPU speed by adding a delay loop at the end of the program. Change
the size of the loop to slow it down.
        Of course, if you want it to run really slow, you could
always run it in Windows :o)

               Baz.





Date: Fri, 25 Nov 1994 15:08:51 -0400
From: Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>
Subject: Vancouver Origami Club Meeting

The next meeting of PALM (Paperfolders Around the Lower Mainland) will be
held tomorrow, November 26, from 2pm to 5pm. We are unable to meet at are
usual spot this month, so we will be meeting at the Firehall Branch of
the Vancouver Public Library (1455 West 10th Avenue). Sorry for sending
this to everyone, but the location change was a last minute one forced
upon us by the Library and I wanted to make sure that everyone knew about
it. Thanks.

Joseph Wu      <jwu@cs.ubc.ca> | Witty quote is now back to the
Master's Student               |   drawing board due to squeamish
University of British Columbia |   readers. Any suggestions?
WWW: http://www.cs.ubc.ca/userinfo/user/jwu





Date: Sat, 26 Nov 1994 14:49:34 -0400
From: UtahJohn@aol.com
Subject: Re:  HELMET.BAS

     Brian -

     Thanks for your help!  The program works wonderfully now!

       :-)

      Thanks again,

++++++++++
John Pruess
UtahJohn@aol.com
282 N. Seemore Dr.
Kaysville, UT 84037-9526





Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 17:44:32 -0400
From: Alan Light <alight@panix.com>
Subject: Fuse's sea-snail shell

Has anybody successfully made the sea-snail shell in Fuse's _Spirals_ book?

I'm refering to the model on pages 46-47, which is essentially a single-opening
version of the model in _Origami For the Connesseur_.

Basicaly, I can't see how to get from step 18 to step 19.
I'm assuming that this is where the model becomes 3-D but I just don't get it.

Maybe the Japanese text gives some help, but I can't read japanese.

Any ideas?

Thanks.

--
/-\ |_ /-\ |\|  Alan Light  alight@panix.com |  History's third dimension is
(finger alight@panix.com for PGP public key) |  always fiction. - Hermann Hesse





Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 19:04:45 -0400
From: torok@nynexst.com (David Torok)
Subject: Introduction & two questions

Hello everyone,

  I've just joined this list, so I wanted to introduce myself & then ask a
quick listserv question and one origami question

  I re-discovered origami this past March.  I had been interested in origami
for a short time at age 12 or so, checking out many of the books in the
local library, making the usual cranes, jumping frogs, etc.
  But this past March I was browsing through a bookstore while
waiting for a train (in NYC) and came across "Origami for the Connoiseur".
I had never seen such figures!  I was especially impressed with (what else)
the rose, Peter Engel's Kangaroo, and the unit origami.  So I bought the
book, and quickly become addicted.
  So now I have five books (Fuse's "Unit Origami" + 2 of her Japanese unit-
origami books, and Kasahara's "Origami Omnibus").  I've also gone paper-crazy,
getting almost every size, pattern, and color available while shopping in
NYC and San Francisco.  My main interest lies in unit origami currently.

  I consider myself an intermediate folder now, and have just started creating
my own models.  I have invented three models now (though there's always a good
probability that they've already been invented):
  - Dollar Module I (George in a square.  Module is the same general shape
    as the typical "sonobe module")
  - Dollar Module II (George in a diamond)
  - Four-pointed star on a raised platform (Borrows heavily from Kasahara's Rose
    and Fuse's Octoganal-star module).

  If there's interest, I'll write up these models in postscript format and
upload them to the FTP site, but I won't have time to do this until after
January 1.

Now my questions -- I would appreciate it if you would directly email me
the answer to question #1 due to the nature of the question!:

(1) I joined origami-l and set the "digest" option.  How frequently are
digests created?

(2) Recently someone taught me a simple 8-module origami that transforms (by
sliding paper) between a "ring" and an 8-pointed "star".  Does anyone know
where this model comes from?  Are there similar "transforming" origami?

Thanks, and I look forward to contributing to this list.

-=$>DaveTorok<$=-

[torok@nynexst.com][914-644-2378][FAX:914-949-9566] JUGGLE!
NYNEX Science & Technology, 400 Westchester Ave, White Plains, NY 10604





Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 19:24:15 -0400
From: torok@nynexst.com (David Torok)
Subject: Re: Introduction & two questions CORRECTION

| From torok Mon Nov 28 18:00:58 1994

|  waiting for a train (in NYC) and came across "Origami for the Connoiseur".

A misspelling of "connoisseur".

|   - Four-pointed star on a raised platform (Borrows heavily from Kasahara's
     Rose
|     and Fuse's Octoganal-star module).

A correction:  I am referring to "Kawasaki's Rose" as published in Kasahara's
"Origami for the Connoisseur".

Good job for my first posting, eh?  :-)

-=$>Dave<$=-





Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 22:17:30 -0400
From: MJNAUGHTON@amherst.edu
Subject: Re: Introduction & two questions

Hi Dave,

You mentioned a "simple 8-module origami that transforms . . . between
a 'ring' and an 8-pointed 'star'".  Probably this is the "Pinwheel-Ring-
Pinwheel", published in Bob Neale & Tom Hull's "ORIGAMI Plain and Simple"
 (St. Martin's Press, 1994, ISBN 0-312-10516-9 (PBK
This model is shown on the cover, and also diagrammed inside.

This book is a collection of some of Neale's folds, some of which are decades
old but have never been diagrammed.  The talented topologist (and all-around
math-whiz) Tom Hull is also a frequent surfer on these waves. . . .

I am VERY interested in your modular creations, but alas I don't have Post-
Script.  If I sent a SASE would you send me diagrams? (no pressure; just
asking!)

Welcome aboard!

Mike Naughton





Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 09:38:16 -0400
From: Anita Reinehr <ali@albemarle.aero.org>
Subject: Re: Introduction & two questions

Hi to All:

My name is Anita Li Reinehr.  I subscribed to the list about a month ago and
had been reading all the interesting snippets on origami.  I was into origami
when I was young (6?) and didn't understand the crane model at all then.
Then in college, I rediscover origami, similar to David Torok's experience
of "Wow, neat folds, how did they do it?".  I also bought lots of books and
papers, even giftwrap paper if they have really neat patterns.  I haven't
fold in a while even though I have all those books and supplies I probably
haven't gone through making 90% of the models from my books.

Someone mentioned this list in their post when I was reading one of the
newsgroup and I got curious.  Now, I am really interested.  I probably
won't have time to do more folding until the new year though.

I am also very interested in David Torok's modular creations.  If I send
you a SASE also, would you send me the diagrams?  The Dollar Modules would
be great for making gifts. It is better to give a Dollar module model than
a money rose to a male nephew. ;)

Anita





Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 18:35:24 -0400
From: torok@nynexst.com (David Torok)
Subject: My models and SASE

Mike: Thanks for the pinwheel/ring info.

Everyone:

In any case, I'd be happy to share my three models with everyone, and I'll
certainly make copies for anyone who would like to send me a SASE.

As I said in my note from yesterday, I won't have time to draw them up
until after January 1st.  I have three more weeks until I finish my Master's
degree (finally!) and then there are the holidays.  Here's my address in
case you want to send me a SASE:

  Dave Torok, 55 McKinley Avenue  # D2-15, White Plains, NY 10606

I have made a very sturdy cube using Dollar Module I (using new bills), and a
less-sturdy cube from Dollar Module II (unfortunatly not using crisp bills).
Having George Washington in the center of each face is quite striking!
I haven't tried an icosohedran yet (a $30 module!).

-=$>Dave<$=-





Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 18:51:29 -0400
From: torok@nynexst.com (David Torok)
Subject: Tacky or Tasteful?

One of the first folds I learned in recent years was an elephant made from
a dollar bill (from a book entitled "Money Folding II").

Occasionally I'll leave a folded elephant as part of the tip when dining out
in a restaurant.  Of course I usually don't stay around to see the waitperson's
reaction.  I imagine it could be one of the following:

  "Aw, how cute!" (keeps bill to show others)
  "Aw, how cute!" (unfolds bill to add to wallet)
  "Yeesh, how tacky!" (unfolds bill to add to wallet)
  "#%^!& folded dollar!" (unfolds bill...)

Anyone do anything similar?  Is it tacky or tastful to leave a money fold
as part of a tip?

-=$>Dave<$=-





Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 19:04:51 -0400
From: Joseph Wu <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>
Subject: Re: Tacky or Tasteful?

On Tue, 29 Nov 1994, David Torok wrote:

> One of the first folds I learned in recent years was an elephant made from
> a dollar bill (from a book entitled "Money Folding II").
>
> Occasionally I'll leave a folded elephant as part of the tip when dining out
> in a restaurant.  Of course I usually don't stay around to see the
     waitperson's
> reaction.  I imagine it could be one of the following:
>
>   "Aw, how cute!" (keeps bill to show others)
>   "Aw, how cute!" (unfolds bill to add to wallet)
>   "Yeesh, how tacky!" (unfolds bill to add to wallet)
>   "#%^!& folded dollar!" (unfolds bill...)
>
> Anyone do anything similar?  Is it tacky or tastful to leave a money fold
> as part of a tip?

I do this regularly. I usually leave "Jose Greco" from Randlett's book
with a penny balanced on his upheld hands so that he looks like a waiter
balancing a tray. Mind you, with a Canadian $2 bill (which is closer to
being a 2x1 rectangle than American bills), there is a wavy stream of
tiny 2's that make it look like he has wavy hair.

I think that leaving folded money as a tip is quite tasteful. In Japan,
it apparently is considered the norm (or it was in times past). I've
usually had good responses to folded tips, but there was someone on this
list who was saying that he had some negative responses. Maybe waiters
are just nicer here in Vancouver (Canada).  <grin>

Joseph Wu      <jwu@cs.ubc.ca> | Witty quote is now back to the
Master's Student               |   drawing board due to squeamish
University of British Columbia |   readers. Any suggestions?
WWW: http://www.cs.ubc.ca/userinfo/user/jwu





Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 19:35:04 -0400
From: sulkinds@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu (Danny Sulkin)
Subject: Re: Tacky or Tasteful?

>One of the first folds I learned in recent years was an elephant made from
>a dollar bill (from a book entitled "Money Folding II").
>
>Occasionally I'll leave a folded elephant as part of the tip when dining out
>in a restaurant.  Of course I usually don't stay around to see the waitperson's
>reaction.  I imagine it could be one of the following:
>
>  "Aw, how cute!" (keeps bill to show others)
>  "Aw, how cute!" (unfolds bill to add to wallet)
>  "Yeesh, how tacky!" (unfolds bill to add to wallet)
>  "#%^!& folded dollar!" (unfolds bill...)
>
>Anyone do anything similar?  Is it tacky or tastful to leave a money fold
>as part of a tip?

I do the same with the shoe from Samuel Randlett's book. So far, all
reactions have been very positive. I think most wait staff leave it intact
as a piece of art.

Danny Sulkin
Manager
Media Services
(sulkinds@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu)





Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 19:58:55 -0400
From: Eric Tend <eric@hpisdaja.ptp.hp.com>
Subject: Re: Tacky or Tasteful?

On Tue, 29 Nov 1994, David Torok wrote:

> Anyone do anything similar?  Is it tacky or tastful to leave a money fold
> as part of a tip?

I think it is artistically tasteful and a conversation piece to leave
money fold tips.  I've been doing it for years and most of the reactions
are very favorable and pleasant because of its uniqueness. Staying around
to watch the reactions is always fun and can also bring on some unexpected
benefits ... like better service, drinks on the house (I got a
complementary bottle of wine from the stewardess crew on a trip to Hawaii
.. after a lot of folding once).  They usually say that it breaks the
monotony of standard tips and is so unusual that they want to keep it folded
rather than spend it.

Money folds is a fun medium to work with ... I have come up with three models
of my own so far: a kangaroo, bear cub, and jumping toad ... and a display
case full of other models that usually is part of the yearly origami display
at the Cherry Blossom Festival every summer in Japantown in San Francisco.

--Eric--

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Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 20:31:11 -0400
From: JanetJWH@aol.com
Subject: Re: Introduction & two questions

Dave,

I have seen the 8-module module you described in question #2 diagrammed in
the book "The Art of Origami" by Gay Merrill Gross.  She attributes the model
to Robert Neale.

Janet





Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 21:13:52 -0400
From: sheamus@netcom.com (James Carroll)
Subject: Re: Tacky or Tasteful?

> One of the first folds I learned in recent years was an elephant made from
> a dollar bill (from a book entitled "Money Folding II").

I have also used that elephant fold as a tip. I fold for one waitress in
particular (Lori) and it has been very positive. When she sees me, she
finds me a table and when she isn't at work, the other waitresses
recognize me and give me and my friends special treatment. When I was
interviewed in the local paper, they talked to Lori also.

Sadly tho, now I use a credit card at restaurants and have stopped
folding tips...........

James Carroll

ps.  Since I have only been lurking and have not introduced myself,
here are some stats.....I have been folding for about 13 years, created
some folds, had some of them published and teach whenever I get the
chance. I have always enjoyed reading the list and I'm glad to be a
part of it.
