From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 00:50:46 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17419; Fri, 1 Dec 95 00:50:46 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28676; Fri, 1 Dec 95 00:45:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28670; Fri, 1 Dec 95 00:45:46 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tLR2w-00038HC; Fri, 1 Dec 95 00:42 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Sven Guckes Subject: Re: Undeleting? Date: 30 Nov 1995 21:00:37 GMT Message-Id: <49l61l$41r@fu-berlin.de> References: mburnell@acfsysv.roosevelt.edu (Mark Burnell) writes: >I'm trying to find out how to retreive a message that was accidentally >deleted. Well, if it's deleted then it is really really GONE. "Deleted" means "deleted". Geddit? However, if it is only "marked for deletion" in your folder then you do get a chance to remove that mark. (Dunno the command.) There also may be a spurious copy of it somewhere on your system but you can never rely on such things. Ask your sysadmin about this. Sven From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 00:52:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17481; Fri, 1 Dec 95 00:52:42 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28608; Fri, 1 Dec 95 00:40:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28602; Fri, 1 Dec 95 00:40:43 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tLQwZ-00038DC; Fri, 1 Dec 95 00:35 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mreardon@sound.net (Mike Reardon) Subject: Re: Pine and Data General Aviion Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 10:55:39 -0600 Message-Id: References: In article , brian@asl3.asl-labs.bc.ca ("Brian P. Hampson") wrote: > On Wed, 29 Nov 1995, Mike Reardon wrote: > > > The following was sent to me by eross@cccc.cc.colorado.edu: > > > > add a line to c-client/os_d-g.c: > > > > #include "log_std.c" > > #include "gr_waitp.c" > > #include "tz_sv4.c" > > + #include > > > > #undef utime > > Try putting the at the TOP of the file...before other includes. > Then I don't think you need the undef. Then things should work...Replies > et al, from what I recall. I tried that without the undef, and the program locked up when I tried to run it. Froze immediately when I logged into it. I put the utime include at the top, but left the undef at the bottom, and I still get the unable to reply problem...Pine crashes. Mike From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 00:55:37 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17532; Fri, 1 Dec 95 00:55:37 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29804; Fri, 1 Dec 95 00:45:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29798; Fri, 1 Dec 95 00:45:43 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tLR2w-00038DC; Fri, 1 Dec 95 00:42 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Borek@psg.com, Lupomesky@psg.com Subject: Automated logins in Pine - how Date: 30 Nov 1995 17:01:45 GMT Message-Id: <49ko1p$ov4@ns.felk.cvut.cz> When I read mail remotely via IMAP, Pine asks for username and password. Can this be automated? Bye Borek -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Borek Lupomesky (student, co-admin) University of J.E.Purkyne, Usti nad Labem, Czech Republic lupomesk@sun.ujep.cz, http://www.ujep.cz/~lupomesk/ -------- use finger service to obtain my PGP key -------- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 00:58:35 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17585; Fri, 1 Dec 95 00:58:35 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29812; Fri, 1 Dec 95 00:45:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29806; Fri, 1 Dec 95 00:45:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tLR2w-00038IC; Fri, 1 Dec 95 00:42 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jcygan@gateway.wiltel.com (Joe Cygan) Subject: Re: Pine and Data General Aviion Date: 30 Nov 1995 21:44:15 GMT Message-Id: <49l8jf$kdt@gateway.wcom.com> References: The fix you sent: >The following was sent to me by eross@cccc.cc.colorado.edu: > >add a line to c-client/os_d-g.c: > #include "log_std.c" > #include "gr_waitp.c" > #include "tz_sv4.c" >+ #include > > #undef utime > >This worked here this morning... This got it to ccompile on the DG/UX box. BUT.... I cannot reply. Everything else(well maybe not EVERYTHING) seems to work right. But, hit "r" to reply, then answer the question about copying the message. As soon as you type "y" or "n" to the copying message question. BOOM. core dump. How do these issues get addressed around here? Joe From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 01:10:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17949; Fri, 1 Dec 95 01:10:31 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28970; Fri, 1 Dec 95 01:05:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28964; Fri, 1 Dec 95 01:05:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tLROh-00038DC; Fri, 1 Dec 95 01:04 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Building Pine On Solaris - Compile Time Options Don't Work Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 23:41:28 -0800 Message-Id: References: <49k5us$j75@cocoa.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <49k5us$j75@cocoa.brown.edu> On Thu, 30 Nov 1995, Michael J. Weiss wrote: > First of all, I was not able to find a pre-done option to build for > Solaris. It's the "sol" build. > I am curious why such a seemingly > popular operating system isn't one of the default supported ones. Solaris is supported, but we do not use Solaris at our site so we only do minimal testing. There are a number of reasons which I would prefer not to go into. Let's just say that SUN has not exactly bent over backwards to encourage us to buy their systems or to develop for their systems. > Perhaps the process which I went through to compile under this OS has > something to do with the compile-time options I set in the header not > taking effect? Most likely. It isn't possible to determine from your message what you did. -- Mark -- DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 01:52:15 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19149; Fri, 1 Dec 95 01:52:15 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00791; Fri, 1 Dec 95 01:45:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00785; Fri, 1 Dec 95 01:45:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tLRyk-00038CC; Fri, 1 Dec 95 01:42 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nate Stahl Subject: Re: [Q] Can I use pine with a Pop account? Date: 1 Dec 1995 05:05:44 GMT Message-Id: <49m2f8$ek0@cocoa.brown.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You can use pine with a pop mail server by using a program like popclient (ftp.mal.com) to retrieve your mail from the pop server into your spool file, then runing pine. --Mike From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 04:35:35 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22444; Fri, 1 Dec 95 04:35:35 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02022; Fri, 1 Dec 95 04:22:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from bbs.highnet2.columbus.oh.us by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02016; Fri, 1 Dec 95 04:22:16 -0800 Received: from bbs.highnet2.columbus.oh.us (edunagin@bbs.highnet2.columbus.oh.us [206.21.108.2]) by bbs.highnet2.columbus.oh.us (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA22570; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 07:23:39 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 07:23:39 -0500 (EST) From: Edward Dunagin To: Andrew Toppan Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: newly setup In-Reply-To: <49le3d$4ag@bigboote.WPI.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII hi andy, no, not really. i have'm confinded to a bbs shell and they are not able to modify the .newsrc file. any ideas?? Peace.............................ed On 30 Nov 1995, Andrew Toppan wrote: > Edward Dunagin reshaped the electrons to say: > > : 1. Is there a way to global disable the users ability to "A"dd newsgroups > : after i customize their .newsrc file? > > Seems sorta futile. All they have to do is quit pine, grab a text > editor, and modify the .newsrc all they want.... > > > -- > Andrew Toppan --- elmer@wpi.edu --- http://www.wpi.edu/~elmer/ > Railroads, Ships and Aircraft Homepage, Tom Clancy FAQ Archive > "I am Pentium of Borg. Arithmetic is irrelevant. Prepare to be approximated." > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 04:55:56 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23126; Fri, 1 Dec 95 04:55:56 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02295; Fri, 1 Dec 95 04:42:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from [200.1.244.43] by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02289; Fri, 1 Dec 95 04:42:16 -0800 Received: (from nalt@localhost) by petrus.ub.edu.ar (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA01495; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 09:39:59 -0300 Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 09:39:56 -0300 (GMT-0300) From: "Norberto H. Altalef" To: PINE Info Mailing List Subject: Message-ID header and host-name Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm technical support for the "Universidad de Belgrano" in Argentina. We are using PINE 3.91 on HP-UX and Linux machines. We have configured sendmail in order to "hide" the host name from the sended mail. However, the host name still appears on the "Message-ID" header line. As far as I can see this header is generated by pine and leaved untouched by sendmail. I appreciate very much if somebody knows if it's possible configure pine in order to not show the host name in this header line or another suggestions to really hide the host name. Any comments will be useful. Many thanks in advance. Norberto Altalef Universidad de Belgrano From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 06:35:53 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25292; Fri, 1 Dec 95 06:35:53 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04848; Fri, 1 Dec 95 06:22:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mail.sni.de by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04842; Fri, 1 Dec 95 06:22:13 -0800 Received: (from nerv@localhost) by nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA06130 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 15:19:43 +0100 Received: from ao5.mow.sni.de (itspc5.mow.sni.de [149.202.148.207]) by itsmx1.mow.sni.de (8.7.2/8.7.2) with SMTP id RAA28093 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 17:21:34 +0300 (OET) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 17:22:13 +0300 (EET) From: Andrej Borsenkow To: Pine Mailing list Subject: more features requested X-Sender: bor@itsmx1.mow.sni.de Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, folks! I dare post some more wishes to future Pine. There are now-a-days listservers which use multipart/digest format. I find Pine handling of such digests GREAT - I get overview of contents, can easily jump to any part. But some drawbacks: 1. In attachment index list I have e.g. 20 shown 132 lines text , "Here goes title (or subject) ..." It is not to scale, but it leaves slightly more then 40 characters to Subject, and it is not so much. So feature - add possibility to scroll the index line left and right or disable other parts of line (they are not actually so entertaining). 2. Add Full-header mode when in viewing attachment (I have seen such wish already). 3. When viewing message/rfc822 part (and ALL digest parts are message) be able to Reply to original sender. Now I can reply only to the submitter of digest as whole. I have checked such digests - normally EVERY part has original sender as From: header. But as said, Pine is REALLY great in handling this sort of mail. Much thanks to Pine authors for such a good work! greetings ---------------------------------------------------- Andrej Borsenkow E-Mail: borsenkow.msk@sni.de SNI ITS, Moscow Phone: +7 (095) 252 13 88 ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 08:26:57 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28532; Fri, 1 Dec 95 08:26:57 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05226; Fri, 1 Dec 95 07:57:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05220; Fri, 1 Dec 95 07:57:28 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tLXp0-00038IC; Fri, 1 Dec 95 07:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Eric Ross, Colorado College" Subject: Re: Pine 3.91 HELP!!! Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 18:49:13 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <49l9et$kdt@gateway.wcom.com> Joe: Bummer! I built the object we are running about a year ago, at 5.4R3 I think. I just built it again now that we are at 5.4R3.10MU02, and just as you say, attempting to reply produces: Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal." Exiting Pine Eric Ross Colorado College eross@cc.colorado.edu 14 E. Cache la Poudre St. (719) 389-6452 Colorado Springs, Colorado 80903 On 30 Nov 1995, Joe Cygan wrote: > Eric Ross, Colorado College (eross@cccc.cc.colorado.edu) wrote: > : Joe: > > : You need to add a line to c-client/os_d-g.c: > > : *** os_d-g.c.proto Thu Oct 13 12:31:00 1994 > : --- os_d-g.c Thu Oct 13 12:32:51 1994 > : *************** > : *** 59,64 **** > : --- 59,65 ---- > : #include "log_std.c" > : #include "gr_waitp.c" > : #include "tz_sv4.c" > : + #include > : > : #undef utime > : > > > : Eric Ross Colorado College > : eross@cc.colorado.edu 14 E. Cache la Poudre St. > : (719) 389-6452 Colorado Springs, Colorado 80903 > > WELL.... > > This got it to ccompile on the DG/UX box. BUT.... > I cannot reply. Everything else(well maybe not EVERYTHING) > seems to work right. But, hit "r" to reply, then answer the > question about copying the message. As soon as you type "y" > or "n" to the copying message question. BOOM. core dump. > > :-/ > > Joe > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 09:10:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01446; Fri, 1 Dec 95 09:10:25 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06482; Fri, 1 Dec 95 08:45:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from offsv1.cis.McMaster.CA by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06476; Fri, 1 Dec 95 08:45:12 -0800 Received: (from cseeley@localhost) by offsv1.CIS.McMaster.CA (8.6.9/8.6.9) id LAA19657; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 11:45:08 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 11:45:07 -0500 (EST) From: Carolynn Seeley To: Mark Crispin Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Building Pine On Sun and Solaris In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have just built PINE 3.91 on two of our campus systems that were running PINE3.89. They are in test mode right now but will be put into production for our >5000 ids in approximately two weeks. The first system: SUN Sparc 10 with OS SunOs 4.1.3_U1 I did a 'build clean' and then 'build sol' and it built with only a few warning messages. The second system: SUN Sparc 1000 with OS Sun 5.4 (Solaris 2.5) I had a few problems with this one. BUT thanks to Ed Greshko for sharing his info, I found the following three steps he mentioned were DEFINITELY required: 1. Make sure that /usr/opt/SUNWspro/bin appears in your path *before* /usr/ucb 2. Edit the makefile.sol file in the pine directory and add -Dconst= to the CFLAGS line 3. Make sure you *unset* the environment variable LD_LIBRARY_PATH I then did a 'build clean' then a 'build sol' and it built . TA DA! :-) Hope this info helps. Carolynn On Thu, 30 Nov 1995, Mark Crispin wrote: > On Thu, 30 Nov 1995, Michael J. Weiss wrote: > > First of all, I was not able to find a pre-done option to build for > > Solaris. > > It's the "sol" build. > > ...text deleted for brevity Carolynn Seeley email: seeley@mcmaster.ca Consultant, Office Systems Support cseeley@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca PINE Administrator Computing and Information Services McMaster University, ABB-132 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 09:44:00 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03898; Fri, 1 Dec 95 09:44:00 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08878; Fri, 1 Dec 95 09:26:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08872; Fri, 1 Dec 95 09:26:45 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tLZDC-00038KC; Fri, 1 Dec 95 09:25 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: g3836803@mucc.mahidol.ac.th (Yongyuth Ruanta - PYPA - 3836803 ) Subject: Accommendation at Doi Inthanon Date: 1 Dec 1995 10:53:51 GMT Message-Id: <49mmrv$d23@mars.mahidol.ac.th> Hi i and my friends plan to go to Chiangmai next week and we want to stay at Doi inthanon on Dec 7 but we can contact with officer if any one know how to contact or resevation any accommendation there please let me know. Thank you Yongyuth From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 10:05:28 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05368; Fri, 1 Dec 95 10:05:28 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09973; Fri, 1 Dec 95 09:56:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from gusun.acc.georgetown.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09967; Fri, 1 Dec 95 09:56:24 -0800 Received: by gusun.acc.georgetown.edu; (5.x/1.1.8.2/6Jan9518:19pm) id AA02319; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 12:50:24 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 12:50:22 -0500 (EST) From: Scot Hamilton To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Bug (ID Y777J): remote access freezing (fwd) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-559023410-1903590565-817839349=:26404" Content-Id: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. ---559023410-1903590565-817839349=:26404 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 12:35:49 -0500 (EST) From: Scot Hamilton To: Pine Developers Subject: Bug (ID Y777J): remote access freezing While composing a message on remote access from Georgetown Univ, very regularly the left arrow key will malfunction, giving beep and this sign [D]. This is also a signal to me that I will be unable to send or do anything with the current screen other that ^G, help. The phrase "unknown command also appears at bottom of screen (with beep). I just have to disconnect the modem. Often correlated with this is a real garbling of the text, sometimes going to the email address originally intended, once I manage to retreive the interupted message from another site (i.e. at the Univ).I have spoke with the local tech. staff who cannot tell me anything. I am sure it is not any mechanica problem with my keyboard, I operate on a brand new notebook with a PMCIA 14400 modem. It sends faxes and connects in with the unix just fine. Reading email is no problem either. Do you have any ideas? ---559023410-1903590565-817839349=:26404 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; NAME="config.txt" Content-ID: Content-Description: Pine Configuration Data ========== struct pine * ========== ui: login = hamiltos, full = Scot Hamilton home = /srv/home2/hamiltos home_dir= /srv/home2/hamiltos hostname= gusun localdom= gusun userdom= NULL maildom= gusun cur_cntxt= mail/[] cur_fldr= INBOX actual mbox= /var/mail/hamiltos msgmap: tot=28, cur=28, del=2, hid=0, exld=0, slct=0, sort=Arrival inbox is mail_stream term type=dec-vt100, ttyname=/dev/pts/5, size=24x80, speed=normal ======= Current_val options set ======= personal-name : Scot Hamilton user-id : hamiltos inbox-path : inbox folder-collections : mail/[] default-fcc : sent-mail postponed-folder : postponed-msgs mail-directory : mail signature-file : .signature address-book : .addressbook saved-msg-name-rule : default-folder fcc-name-rule : default-fcc sort-key : arrival addrbook-sort-rule : fullname-with-lists-last use-only-domain-name : no printer : attached-to-ansi personal-print-comma : pine standard-printer : lp last-time-prune-ques : 95.12 last-version-used : 3.91 bugs-fullname : Pine Developers bugs-address : pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu elm-style-save : no header-in-reply : no feature-level : sapling old-style-reply : no save-by-sender : no ======= Command_line_val options set ======= ======= User_val options set (/srv/home2/hamiltos/.pinerc) ======= folder-collections : mail/[] printer : attached-to-ansi personal-print-comma : pine last-time-prune-ques : 95.12 last-version-used : 3.91 ======= Global_val options set (/usr/local/lib/pine.conf) ======= inbox-path : inbox default-fcc : sent-mail postponed-folder : postponed-msgs mail-directory : mail signature-file : .signature address-book : .addressbook saved-msg-name-rule : default-folder fcc-name-rule : default-fcc sort-key : arrival addrbook-sort-rule : fullname-with-lists-last use-only-domain-name : no printer : attached-to-ansi standard-printer : lp bugs-fullname : Pine Developers bugs-address : pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu elm-style-save : no header-in-reply : no feature-level : sapling old-style-reply : no save-by-sender : no ======= Fixed_val options set (NO pine.conf.fixed) ======= ========== Feature settings ========== no-assume-slow-link no-auto-move-read-msgs no-auto-open-next-unread no-compose-rejects-unqualified-addrs no-compose-sets-newsgroup-without-confirm no-delete-skips-deleted no-disable-config-cmd no-disable-keyboard-lock-cmd no-disable-password-cmd no-disable-update-cmd no-enable-aggregate-command-set no-enable-alternate-editor-cmd no-enable-alternate-editor-implicitly no-enable-bounce-cmd no-enable-flag-cmd no-enable-full-header-cmd no-enable-incoming-folders no-enable-jump-shortcut no-enable-mail-check-cue no-enable-suspend no-enable-tab-completion no-enable-unix-pipe-cmd no-expanded-view-of-addressbooks no-expanded-view-of-folders no-expunge-without-confirm no-include-attachments-in-reply no-include-header-in-reply no-include-text-in-reply no-news-approximates-new-status no-news-post-without-validation no-news-read-in-newsrc-order no-preserve-start-stop-characters no-quell-user-lookup-in-passwd-file no-quit-without-confirm no-save-will-quote-leading-froms no-save-will-not-delete no-save-will-advance no-select-without-confirm no-show-selected-in-boldface no-signature-at-bottom no-use-current-dir no-use-function-keys ---559023410-1903590565-817839349=:26404-- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 10:27:44 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06312; Fri, 1 Dec 95 10:27:44 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09529; Fri, 1 Dec 95 10:12:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from offsv1.cis.McMaster.CA by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09523; Fri, 1 Dec 95 10:12:35 -0800 Received: (from cseeley@localhost) by offsv1.CIS.McMaster.CA (8.6.9/8.6.9) id NAA20435; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 13:12:33 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 13:12:33 -0500 (EST) From: Carolynn Seeley To: Mark Crispin , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Building Pine On Sun and Solaris In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 1 Dec 1995, Carolynn Seeley wrote: OOOPS - sorry a typo - on the first system I did a 'build sun' > > I have just built PINE 3.91 on two of our campus systems that were running > PINE3.89. They are in test mode right now but will be put into production for > our >5000 ids in approximately two weeks. > > The first system: SUN Sparc 10 with OS SunOs 4.1.3_U1 > I did a 'build clean' and then 'build sol' and it built with only a few > warning messages. > > The second system: SUN Sparc 1000 with OS Sun 5.4 (Solaris 2.5) > I had a few problems with this one. BUT thanks to Ed Greshko > for sharing his info, I found the following three > steps he mentioned were DEFINITELY required: > 1. Make sure that /usr/opt/SUNWspro/bin appears in your path *before* > /usr/ucb > 2. Edit the makefile.sol file in the pine directory and add -Dconst= to > the CFLAGS line > 3. Make sure you *unset* the environment variable LD_LIBRARY_PATH > > I then did a 'build clean' then a 'build sol' and it built . TA DA! :-) > > Hope this info helps. > > Carolynn ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carolynn Seeley email: seeley@mcmaster.ca Consultant, Office Systems Support cseeley@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca PINE Administrator Computing and Information Services McMaster University, ABB-132 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 10:45:19 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07008; Fri, 1 Dec 95 10:45:19 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10908; Fri, 1 Dec 95 10:28:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from thurgood.uscourts.gov by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10902; Fri, 1 Dec 95 10:28:33 -0800 Received: from pc4std.ao.uscourts.gov by thurgood.uscourts.gov with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0tLaDN-0001IhC; Fri, 1 Dec 95 13:29 EST Received: from dgstd.ao.uscourts.gov by pc4std.ao.uscourts.gov with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0tLa8j-0000EfC; Fri, 1 Dec 95 13:24 EST Received: by dgstd.ao.uscourts.gov (Smail3.1.28.1 #11) id m0tLaDK-00000cC; Fri, 1 Dec 95 13:29 EST Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 13:29:38 -0500 (EST) From: "J. Lynn Hilton" To: "Eric Ross, Colorado College" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine 3.91 HELP In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Curious. We've been running it since April with no problems whatsoever, under 5.4R3.10MU02. I've even recompiled it recently, to integrate ispell into Pico, and we've never had the least glitch. The patch that Eric details below is the only change I made, other than some options in pine/osdep/os-sv4.h. The only difference between our site and others may be the fact that we use Smail rather than sendmail. -- Lynn jlh@ao.uscourts.gov or lhilton@concept.com +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | J. Lynn Hilton | Home where the AViiONs roam | | Concept Automation Services, Inc. | | | AOUSC, One Columbus Circle, N.E. | Voice: 202-273-2413 | | Washington, DC 20544 | FAX: 202-273-2356 | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ On Thu, 30 Nov 1995, Eric Ross, Colorado College wrote: > Joe: > > Bummer! I built the object we are running about a year ago, at 5.4R3 I > think. I just built it again now that we are at 5.4R3.10MU02, and just > as you say, attempting to reply produces: > > Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal." > > Exiting Pine > > Eric Ross Colorado College > eross@cc.colorado.edu 14 E. Cache la Poudre St. > (719) 389-6452 Colorado Springs, Colorado 80903 > > On 30 Nov 1995, Joe Cygan wrote: > > > Eric Ross, Colorado College (eross@cccc.cc.colorado.edu) wrote: > > : Joe: > > > > : You need to add a line to c-client/os_d-g.c: > > > > : *** os_d-g.c.proto Thu Oct 13 12:31:00 1994 > > : --- os_d-g.c Thu Oct 13 12:32:51 1994 > > : *************** > > : *** 59,64 **** > > : --- 59,65 ---- > > : #include "log_std.c" > > : #include "gr_waitp.c" > > : #include "tz_sv4.c" > > : + #include > > : > > : #undef utime > > : > > > > > > : Eric Ross Colorado College > > : eross@cc.colorado.edu 14 E. Cache la Poudre St. > > : (719) 389-6452 Colorado Springs, Colorado 80903 > > > > WELL.... > > > > This got it to ccompile on the DG/UX box. BUT.... > > I cannot reply. Everything else(well maybe not EVERYTHING) > > seems to work right. But, hit "r" to reply, then answer the > > question about copying the message. As soon as you type "y" > > or "n" to the copying message question. BOOM. core dump. > > > > :-/ > > > > Joe > > > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 10:50:56 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07408; Fri, 1 Dec 95 10:50:56 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10384; Fri, 1 Dec 95 10:41:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10378; Fri, 1 Dec 95 10:41:52 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tLaMu-00038DC; Fri, 1 Dec 95 10:39 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Leo Korbee Subject: print index, not using print-screen Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 13:07:47 +0000 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello, One of the users (actualy my boss), asked how to print an index of a folder. He cannot use print-screen because he is connected with a hard-terminal to our systems. Any idea? THANKS in advance (Maybe I will be promoted) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Leo Korbee tel (020) 512 18 88 System Management NKI Research fax (020) 617 26 25 afdeling Biofysica Plesmanlaan 121 Nederlands Kanker Instituut 1066 CX AMSTERDAM ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 11:05:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08086; Fri, 1 Dec 95 11:05:12 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11572; Fri, 1 Dec 95 10:51:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11566; Fri, 1 Dec 95 10:51:53 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tLaV5-00038DC; Fri, 1 Dec 95 10:47 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: harris@email.unc.edu (Trey Harris) Subject: Re: cancelling a letter Date: 1 Dec 1995 02:46:15 GMT Message-Id: <49lq9n$1okm@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> References: In article , Eric M. Kidd wrote: >Are you using NCSA Telnet? If so, turn off the mapping of ^C, ^S and ^Q to >break, pause and resume, respectively. Helps with Emacs, too. =) By the way, to do this press command-s (hold down the key with the propeller and press S). Then delete the entries in each of the three fields in the dialog box displayed. -- Trey Harris http://sunsite.unc.edu/harris/ System Administrator, Project Isis, Office of Information Technology The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 11:22:13 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09169; Fri, 1 Dec 95 11:22:13 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11463; Fri, 1 Dec 95 11:16:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11457; Fri, 1 Dec 95 11:16:55 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tLawk-00038DC; Fri, 1 Dec 95 11:16 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Al Bouchard Subject: Re: free advertising-response Date: 1 Dec 1995 17:37:42 GMT Message-Id: <49neh6$ipq@ns.campus.mci.net> References: <49gg7h$44t@sydney1.world.net> <49kpnv$clc@silver.starway.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm building a BBS called INLIGHT BBS for metaphysical products, books, tapes, discussion areas and some network marketing opportunities. INLIGHT BBS, P. O. Box 806, Dillsboro, NC 28725 USA [ANSI; 8-N-1], (704) 586-6831. Appreciate if you'd pass the word about my BBS. I'm also looking for an inexpensive way to connect my BBS to Internet. I'm just a beginner and struggling along to understand how all this works. Any suggestions? Thanks, Al Bouchard, SysOp From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 12:18:40 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12025; Fri, 1 Dec 95 12:18:40 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13873; Fri, 1 Dec 95 12:07:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13867; Fri, 1 Dec 95 12:07:01 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tLbf0-00038DC; Fri, 1 Dec 95 12:02 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Sven Guckes Subject: Re: sending mail to nowhere Date: 1 Dec 1995 18:01:38 GMT Message-Id: <49nfu2$6dm@fu-berlin.de> References: zach@world.std.com (Zachary H Leber) writes: >Is there a way to send mail to a dummy address that doesn't go anywhere >but doesn't get returned? >The reason for this is to put a dummy name such as To: distribution >, and put the real recipients in Bcc for big lists. >Addressing it to myself is the current scheme, but then sometimes people >think the mail is not for them. I'd use an alias to myself for the To: line. Example: To: FOO Mail List readers Subject: [FOO] BAR blah blah Hello, gentle readers of the FOO Mailing List! This is a test. Please ignore! me (FOO Mail List Maintainer) It's not perfect, but at least I know that I can filter all those mails into a mailing list folder. Sven Cc: zach@world.std.com (Zachary H Leber) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 12:27:09 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12435; Fri, 1 Dec 95 12:27:09 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13955; Fri, 1 Dec 95 12:09:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from asl-labs.bc.ca by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13913; Fri, 1 Dec 95 12:08:53 -0800 Received: by asl3.asl-labs.bc.ca (5.4R3.10/200.2.1.5) id AA05994; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 12:08:17 -0800 Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 12:08:17 -0800 (PST) From: "Brian P. Hampson" To: "J. Lynn Hilton" Cc: "Eric Ross, Colorado College" , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine 3.91 HELP In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 1 Dec 1995, J. Lynn Hilton wrote: > Curious. We've been running it since April with no problems whatsoever, > under 5.4R3.10MU02. I've even recompiled it recently, to integrate ispell > into Pico, and we've never had the least glitch. The patch that Eric details > below is the only change I made, other than some options in > pine/osdep/os-sv4.h. > > The only difference between our site and others may be the fact that we > use Smail rather than sendmail. > On Thu, 30 Nov 1995, Eric Ross, Colorado College wrote: > > > > Bummer! I built the object we are running about a year ago, at 5.4R3 I > > think. I just built it again now that we are at 5.4R3.10MU02, and just > > as you say, attempting to reply produces: > > > > Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal." > > > > Exiting Pine Ah....I am NOT running MUO2. Only MUO1, since I was waiting for the big 4.1 > > > : You need to add a line to c-client/os_d-g.c: > > > > > > : *** os_d-g.c.proto Thu Oct 13 12:31:00 1994 > > > : --- os_d-g.c Thu Oct 13 12:32:51 1994 > > > : *************** > > > : *** 59,64 **** > > > : --- 59,65 ---- > > > : #include "log_std.c" > > > : #include "gr_waitp.c" > > > : #include "tz_sv4.c" > > > : + #include > > > : > > > : #undef utime > > > : I THOUGHT this was all I had done as well. B. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Brian P. Hampson Internet: brian@asl-labs.bc.ca | |System Administrator, | |Analytical Service Labs Fidonet : Brian Hampson 1:153/733 | |Vancouver, BC | |+604-253-4188 | | Specialists in Environmental Chemistry | | | ------------------http://www.asl-labs.bc.ca/---------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 13:17:51 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15277; Fri, 1 Dec 95 13:17:51 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15704; Fri, 1 Dec 95 13:08:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ra.isisnet.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15632; Fri, 1 Dec 95 13:05:59 -0800 Received: from ccn.cs.dal.ca by ra.isisnet.com (8.6.9/SMI-SVR4) id RAA18859; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 17:04:45 -0400 Received: by ccn.cs.dal.ca id <13315>; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 17:06:52 -0400 Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 17:06:26 -0400 From: "Marsha C. Holmes" To: Sven Guckes Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: sending mail to nowhere In-Reply-To: <49nfu2$6dm@fu-berlin.de> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This might be a "stupid" answer but, why not send it to yourself! It will, of course, go somewhere - directly to your own mailbox to do with as you please. Hope this isn't a "saucy" answer but one that might be of use to you! Marsha =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=* Marsha C. Holmes |\ __ /.| (`\ ac573@ccn.cs.dal.ca _ .| o o |_ ) ) ----------------------(((---(((------------- =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=* On Fri, 1 Dec 1995, Sven Guckes wrote: > zach@world.std.com (Zachary H Leber) writes: > >Is there a way to send mail to a dummy address that doesn't go anywhere > >but doesn't get returned? > >The reason for this is to put a dummy name such as To: distribution > >, and put the real recipients in Bcc for big lists. > >Addressing it to myself is the current scheme, but then sometimes people > >think the mail is not for them. > > I'd use an alias to myself for the To: line. > Example: > > To: FOO Mail List readers > Subject: [FOO] BAR blah blah > > Hello, gentle readers of the FOO Mailing List! > This is a test. Please ignore! > > me (FOO Mail List Maintainer) > > > It's not perfect, but at least I know that I can filter all those mails into > a mailing list folder. > > Sven > > Cc: zach@world.std.com (Zachary H Leber) > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 14:03:16 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17956; Fri, 1 Dec 95 14:03:16 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16467; Fri, 1 Dec 95 13:57:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16461; Fri, 1 Dec 95 13:57:13 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tLdS7-00038DC; Fri, 1 Dec 95 13:57 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Tenex and scalability Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 23:59:30 -0800 Message-Id: References: <49m0ek$q7l@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <49m0ek$q7l@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> Trey, I can answer some of your comments. On 1 Dec 1995, Trey Harris wrote: > However, I am concerned that if at some point the Tenex format may > no longer be the path we want to take, for whatever reason, there > be a path of migration. Are there programs to convert from Tenex > to Berkeley format? Is the Tenex specification available so that > we can write our own utilities to convert its format to some other > in the future? Where would I find a paper documenting this mailbox > style? One of the programs in the imap-utils package, mbxcvt, can convert between any of the mailbox formats supported by c-client. imap-utils is on the ftp.cac.washington.edu server. It is possible that we will migrate to a new format I am developing called mbx format (I'm alpha-testing it now, but it's not ready for prime time), however tenex format will never be desupported in our toolkit. The Pine technical notes describe tenex format. > -- I am told that the Tenex format uses Unix filesystem semantics not > available under NFS. Is this true? Yes. It expects that file operations which are documented to be atomic are atomic; that when file data is updated there are no obsolete copies of the file data in some cache; and that a working facility to apply shared and exclusive locks (and switch between shared and exclusive) exists. None of these are true on NFS. NFS is great as a easy way to do FTP or rcp, but it is not a true filesystem. > If so, can I expect my mailserver to > be able to handle enough more IMAP clients with Tenex so that I can > convert my whole cluster to use IMAP exclusively? This, you will have to judge for yourself. Our experience with RS/6000 hardware and IMAP servers suggests the following: 1) More smaller disks are better than fewer large ones. Better to have eight 1GB spindles than a single 8GB spindle. 2) Try to have sendmail not use the same spindle as imapd. Sendmail uses a lot of disk bandwidth and you don't want it fighting with your imapds. The same thing holds for syslog and other daemons. 3) File fragmentation tends to be a problem on AIX. Since tenex files are accessed with random access I/O, they are almost never rewritten (and hence defragmented). You may need to write a defragmentation tool (shudder!) to defragment mail files every so often. 4) Don't swap on the same disk that does mail files either. > It seems that the 50-60 imapd processes it runs now are about all > it can manage in the Berkeley format. Is it likely that switching > to Tenex would allow the mailserver to run the 400-700 imapds > needed with similar performance? It all depends upon how much memory is available. The computer center splits its user community (the entire campus) across a dozen RS/6000 servers. They don't want to run out. imapd does not need much CPU. It's all a matter of memory and disk bandwidth. -- Mark -- DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 14:26:15 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19430; Fri, 1 Dec 95 14:26:15 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17215; Fri, 1 Dec 95 14:17:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from Farstar.secapl.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17208; Fri, 1 Dec 95 14:17:43 -0800 Received: from Cookie.secapl.com (Cookie.secapl.com [192.108.247.19]) by Farstar.secapl.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA165232; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 16:10:47 -0600 Received: by Cookie.secapl.com id AA221498 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4); Fri, 1 Dec 1995 16:19:00 -0600 Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 16:19:00 -0600 (CST) From: Carla Golden To: Ian Russell Ollmann Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Attachments In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Thanks Ian. > Carla, on a practical aside, have your friend send you the GIF as a > binhexed file from his mac. That should solve the transfer problem. > > For you dudes and dudettes at washington.edu, I am using pine 3.91 for sgi > on a Pers. Iris 4D/35 running IRIX 4.0.5. > > Ian > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 14:41:49 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20310; Fri, 1 Dec 95 14:41:49 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17846; Fri, 1 Dec 95 14:36:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from NL.CS.CMU.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17840; Fri, 1 Dec 95 14:36:36 -0800 Message-Id: <9512012236.AA17840@mx1.cac.washington.edu> Date: Fri, 1 Dec 95 17:32:44 EST From: Henry.Robertson@NL.CS.CMU.EDU To: pine-info@CAC.WASHINGTON.EDU Subject: pine problems Hi, I have downloaded pine and it runs, but there are 2 major problems: 1. It won't recognize incoming mail, so it thinks I have no mail even when I do. 2. Whenever I send mail, although it does send mail successfully, it always beeps some error about failing to create sent-mail.lock. Any suggestions? Henry From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 15:20:49 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22606; Fri, 1 Dec 95 15:20:49 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18962; Fri, 1 Dec 95 15:09:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from server.hamburg.netsurf.de by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18955; Fri, 1 Dec 95 15:09:21 -0800 Received: from mail.isys.net[193.96.224.33] by mail.hamburg.netsurf.de with smtp (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.1); id m0tLdf9-000sFPC; Sat, 2 Dec 95 00:10 GMT+0200 Received: from paddington by mail.isys.net with smtp (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.22); id ; Sat, 2 Dec 95 00:04 MEZ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 00:08:14 +0100 (MET) From: Michael.Joswig@Hamburg.NetSurf.DE X-Sender: michaelj@paddington To: Henry.Robertson@NL.CS.CMU.EDU Cc: pine-info@CAC.WASHINGTON.EDU Subject: Re: pine problems In-Reply-To: <9512012236.AA17840@mx1.cac.washington.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 1 Dec 1995 Henry.Robertson@NL.CS.CMU.EDU wrote: > > Hi, I have downloaded pine and it runs, but there are 2 major problems: > > 1. It won't recognize incoming mail, so it thinks I have no mail > even when I do. It may take a long time (usually 300 sec). Try ^L (Control-L) or move your cursor past the last line in the (I)ndex, then PINE will check for new emails. > > 2. Whenever I send mail, although it does send mail successfully, it always > beeps some error about failing to create sent-mail.lock. Look where this file is created (I think it's your maildirectory, look in the (C)onfig- Screen for folder-collections) and check if you have write-permissions for this directory. Looks like you don't have it (or don't have the directory at all! Set write-permissions or create the directory, that should do it. > > Any suggestions? > > Henry > > Ciao, Michael ================================================================ Michael J. Joswig michael.joswig@Hamburg.NetSurf.DE If Not You, Who Else? (Terry Pratchett, Only You Can Save Mankind) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 15:29:48 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23022; Fri, 1 Dec 95 15:29:48 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20159; Fri, 1 Dec 95 15:17:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20153; Fri, 1 Dec 95 15:17:24 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tLeeN-00038DC; Fri, 1 Dec 95 15:13 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jarle@ast.cam.ac.uk (Jarle Brinchmann) Subject: Pine hangs when expunging messages (SunOS) Date: 01 Dec 1995 16:09:17 +0000 Message-Id: Hi. I have some troubles with Pine. Whenever I have messages in my INBOX I'm am not able to delete them. If I mark them as deleted and either try to quit or try to eXpunge them, pine hangs and must be killed (sometimes hangup suffices). I can, however, delete mail from other folders without any problem, it's just the INBOX that makes a problem. Pine always hangs if I try to quit and there is any mail in the INBOX actually, deleted or not. The only information I can get from the debugging files that seems to be slightly odd is the following: IMAP 15:49 12/1 mm_log babble: Find of mailbox outside context: /home/jarle/.pine-interrupted-mail - mailcap_free - There is no such file as .pine-interrupted-mail... Does anyone know what may be the cause of this? The system is SunOS 5.4, the Pine version is 3.91. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Jarle. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Nuke the Whales ! | Jarle Brinchmann, | Email: jarle@ast.cam.ac.uk International Krill Union. | Web: http://www.uio.no/~jarleb From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 15:48:55 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23918; Fri, 1 Dec 95 15:48:55 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19826; Fri, 1 Dec 95 15:37:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19820; Fri, 1 Dec 95 15:37:26 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tLexW-00038DC; Fri, 1 Dec 95 15:33 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Tsung-Chieh Tsai Subject: spell check in Linux Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 18:16:56 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi: I am using Linux Slackware 3.0. The spelling check in pine is not working. Can anybody tell me how to config the system to use the ispell came with the Slackware. Any help will be appreciated. Tsung-Chieh Tsai ttsungc@master.ceat.okstate.edu ttsungc@rlab.cheng.okstate.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 16:04:47 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24577; Fri, 1 Dec 95 16:04:47 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21390; Fri, 1 Dec 95 15:57:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21384; Fri, 1 Dec 95 15:57:29 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tLfIS-00038DC; Fri, 1 Dec 95 15:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: zz@panix.com (Alan J. Munn) Subject: problem with customizing pine header Date: 1 Dec 1995 14:52:19 -0500 Message-Id: <49nmdj$n8s@panix.com> I am zz@panix.com . Panix is an Internet Service Provider. I have a higher level domain: munn.nyc.ny.us . On that domain (serviced for me by Panix), I am a@munn.nyc.ny.us . I use Pine. I want my header to show my own higher level domain, not panix.com . So, I went to the Pine menu, chose setup, chose configure, and then changed the user-domain line to a@munn.nyc.ny.us . The result is that my header's from line became "Alan J. Munn" . I can't get rid of the zz as user ID. What I typed in (on the user-domain line of the configure menu) _before_ the @, gets put _after_ the @ on the from line of my header. Thus, a@munn.nyc.ny.us becomes zz@a . What I prefer on my from line is "Alan J. Munn" Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26555; Fri, 1 Dec 95 16:50:27 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22685; Fri, 1 Dec 95 16:42:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22679; Fri, 1 Dec 95 16:42:10 -0800 Received: (from brianw@localhost) by nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA06139; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 16:40:26 -0800 Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 16:40:25 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Williams To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Pine crashing In-Reply-To: <49nmdj$n8s@panix.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII What is causing this: Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal". Exiting pine. Attempting to save debug file to /home/brianw/.pine-crash Brian Williams Automation Manager Multnomah County Library 801 SW 10th Portland, OR 97205 (503)248-5227 (v) (503)248-5226 (f) brianw@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 16:55:51 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26707; Fri, 1 Dec 95 16:55:51 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21923; Fri, 1 Dec 95 16:49:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from gti.gti.net by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21914; Fri, 1 Dec 95 16:49:20 -0800 Received: by gti.gti.net (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0tLgAi-000jTQC; Fri, 1 Dec 95 19:51 EST Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 19:51:19 -0500 (EST) From: P-B To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <49nfu2$6dm@fu-berlin.de> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII unsubscribe From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 1 22:13:45 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05209; Fri, 1 Dec 95 22:13:45 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27787; Fri, 1 Dec 95 22:04:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shivams.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27781; Fri, 1 Dec 95 22:03:59 -0800 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05044; Fri, 1 Dec 95 22:03:55 -0800 Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 22:03:54 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: "Alan J. Munn" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: problem with customizing pine header In-Reply-To: <49nmdj$n8s@panix.com> Message-Id: Organization: University of Washington; Office of Computing & Communications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Alan, Set user-domain to just the domain, not your whole address. That is, lose the "a@". -teg On 1 Dec 1995, Alan J. Munn wrote: > > > I am zz@panix.com . Panix is an Internet Service Provider. > I have a higher level domain: munn.nyc.ny.us . > On that domain (serviced for me by Panix), I am > a@munn.nyc.ny.us . > > I use Pine. I want my header to show my own higher level > domain, not panix.com . So, I went to the Pine menu, chose > setup, chose configure, and then changed the user-domain line > to a@munn.nyc.ny.us . The result is that my header's from line > became > "Alan J. Munn" . > I can't get rid of the zz as user ID. What I typed in (on the > user-domain line of the configure menu) _before_ the @, gets put > _after_ the @ on the from line of my header. > > Thus, a@munn.nyc.ny.us becomes zz@a . > > What I prefer on my from line is > "Alan J. Munn" I will settle for > "Alan J. Munn" > > Please tell me what to do. > > > Alan > a@munn.nyc.ny.us > > -- > Alan > a@munn.nyc.ny.us > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 2 00:45:53 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07669; Sat, 2 Dec 95 00:45:53 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00312; Sat, 2 Dec 95 00:38:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00306; Sat, 2 Dec 95 00:38:30 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tLnSK-00038DC; Sat, 2 Dec 95 00:38 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Re: New messages Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 10:03:33 -0500 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On 30 Nov 1995, Brian T. Zimmer wrote: > Pine used to beep when it received a new message. Now it no longer > beeps and in order to get new mail I have to exit Pine and run it again. > I changed my .procmail, would this have broken it?? Thanks in advance! If you changed your procmail recipes file such that ALL incoming mail now goes into some folder or other rather than remaining in the INBOX in the spool, then Pine would beep _only_ when a piece of mail was received _only_ when you had that particular folder open (i.e., the folder that mail was being stuffed into by procmail). What you are describing is not necessarily "broken" behavior but may just be the way Pine works in conjunction with filters such as procmail. Paul -------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett P. O. Box 857 Vienna, VA 22183-0857 U.S.A. Finger, keyserver, or WWW for PGP 2.6.2 public key URL: http://www.access.digex.net/~pobart -------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 2 02:08:19 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09166; Sat, 2 Dec 95 02:08:19 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02586; Sat, 2 Dec 95 02:02:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from gatekeeper2.mcimail.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02580; Sat, 2 Dec 95 02:01:59 -0800 Received: from mailgate2.mcimail.com (mailgate2.mcimail.com [166.38.40.100]) by gatekeeper2.mcimail.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id KAA00839; Sat, 2 Dec 1995 10:02:42 GMT Received: from mcimail.com by mailgate2.mcimail.com id aa25258; 2 Dec 95 10:01 WET Date: Sat, 2 Dec 95 04:59 EST From: adwait To: pine-info , pine-faq , anant Subject: request for pine faq Message-Id: <54951202095945/0004955791D41X4@MCIMAIL.COM> To : pine-faq / pine-info >From : Adwait Dilip Gadre I had inquired about MIME to PINE-ROBOT@DOCSERVER.CAC.WASHINGTON.EDU they replied giving your address to ask about the Frequently Asked Questions ( FAQ ) to solve my queries to decode the mails coming to me from my friends on Internet as I am on X.400 E-mail named XEE-mail which does not allow me to read the mails as they are not readable. Please send me the FAQ so that i can update my info. about MIME and PINE I would also like to know about pine.pine.tar.^z which i hope is the utility to decode the messages coming in MIME encoded form. I hope to get the required info. Regards Adwait Dilip Gadre Datapro Information Technology Ltd., From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 2 05:12:59 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11944; Sat, 2 Dec 95 05:12:59 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04955; Sat, 2 Dec 95 05:04:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04949; Sat, 2 Dec 95 05:04:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tLrap-00038DC; Sat, 2 Dec 95 05:03 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: soukko@tne01.tele.nokia.fi (Tero, NTC/SWP/CPCSF, V10/305, +358 0 511 29912) Subject: Reply-To field Date: 2 Dec 95 11:52:24 EET Message-Id: <1995Dec2.115224.1@tnclus> Could someone tell me how do I insert Reply-To field in pine... and where can I find pine faq. t.Tero -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% % tero.soukko@ntc.nokia.com % %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 2 05:20:37 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12090; Sat, 2 Dec 95 05:20:37 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04051; Sat, 2 Dec 95 05:14:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04045; Sat, 2 Dec 95 05:14:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tLrhT-00038DC; Sat, 2 Dec 95 05:09 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Pierre.Frenkiel@cdf.in2p3.fr (Pierre Frenkiel) Subject: Re: Pine crashing Date: 2 Dec 1995 11:42:07 GMT Message-Id: <49pe2f$ggr@ccpnws.in2p3.fr> References: <49nmdj$n8s@panix.com> I had the same problem. Tried to send a "bug report", but it seems there no hope to get any answer, other than the automatic one: "your mail is 1 over 1 million " !!! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 2 05:39:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12435; Sat, 2 Dec 95 05:39:54 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05334; Sat, 2 Dec 95 05:34:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05328; Sat, 2 Dec 95 05:34:02 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tLs1P-00038DC; Sat, 2 Dec 95 05:30 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: soukko@tne01.tele.nokia.fi (Tero, NTC/SWP/CPCSF, V10/305, +358 0 511 29912) Subject: Re: Reply-To field Date: 2 Dec 95 12:37:39 EET Message-Id: <1995Dec2.123739.1@tnclus> References: <1995Dec2.115224.1@tnclus> In article <1995Dec2.115224.1@tnclus>, soukko@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi (Tero, NTC/SWP/CPCSF, V10/305, +358 0 511 29912) writes: > Could someone tell me how do I insert Reply-To field in pine... and where can I quess this was little too easy, I found the answer myself. In .pinerc there is a place for customized headers. > I find pine faq. > t.Tero -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% % tero.soukko@ntc.nokia.com % %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 2 06:26:24 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13072; Sat, 2 Dec 95 06:26:24 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04838; Sat, 2 Dec 95 06:20:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04832; Sat, 2 Dec 95 06:20:22 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tLslc-00038DC; Sat, 2 Dec 95 06:18 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rmconra@ibm.net Subject: IMAP - New mail notification Date: 2 Dec 1995 12:55:20 GMT Message-Id: <49pibo$2afu@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> Is there a version of biff (or some other program) that could notify me when new mail arrives even though we have imap installed and in use. If pine is running it contact the server and see but I don't want to be running pine all the time to check for new messages. Any help would greatly be appreciated. rob From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 2 07:34:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14048; Sat, 2 Dec 95 07:34:23 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06753; Sat, 2 Dec 95 07:24:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06747; Sat, 2 Dec 95 07:24:14 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tLtmS-00038DC; Sat, 2 Dec 95 07:23 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: njvdhorn@solair1.inter.NL.net (N.J. van der Horn) Subject: Re: BCC? how? ? ? ! Message-Id: References: <49h34r$q01@leia.ursinus.edu> Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 14:15:39 GMT In article <49h34r$q01@leia.ursinus.edu> jbodarky@leia.ursinus.edu (Jonathan Bodarky) writes: >From: jbodarky@leia.ursinus.edu (Jonathan Bodarky) >Subject: BCC? how? ? ? ! >Date: 29 Nov 1995 02:46:35 -0500 >If anyone could help , i will be extremely grateful... >Is there a BCC function in pine? (Blind Carbon Copy?) >Meaning, is there any way that I can send to everyone on an addressbook >distribution list without everyone on that list seeing who the mail was >also sent to? >Please Email if you can help! >THANKS IN ADVANCE! >JOn While in COMPOSE-MODE press (Rich Hdr). From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 2 08:11:52 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14534; Sat, 2 Dec 95 08:11:52 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06134; Sat, 2 Dec 95 08:04:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06128; Sat, 2 Dec 95 08:04:19 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tLuMW-00038HC; Sat, 2 Dec 95 08:00 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: Building Pine On Sun and Solaris Date: 2 Dec 95 14:02:56 GMT Message-Id: References: cseeley@offsv1.CIS.McMaster.CA (Carolynn Seeley) writes: >I have just built PINE 3.91 on two of our campus systems that were running >PINE3.89. They are in test mode right now but will be put into production for >our >5000 ids in approximately two weeks. >The first system: SUN Sparc 10 with OS SunOs 4.1.3_U1 >I did a 'build clean' and then 'build sol' and it built with only a few >warning messages. This would seem to be a mistake. Among other things, it would look for mail in /var/mail/username instead of /var/spool/mail/username. I have not built pine for SunOS for over a year, but there is an option for regular SunOS. >The second system: SUN Sparc 1000 with OS Sun 5.4 (Solaris 2.5) This is also a mistake. SunOS 5.x maps to Solaris 2.x on a one-to-one basis for x, such that SunOS 5.4 equals the OS component of Solaris 2.4 (and the windowing system is OpenWindows 3.4). >I had a few problems with this one. BUT thanks to Ed Greshko > for sharing his info, I found the following three >steps he mentioned were DEFINITELY required: >1. Make sure that /usr/opt/SUNWspro/bin appears in your path *before* >/usr/ucb /usr/ucb should always be last in the path on Solaris. The main thing that people put it in the path early for is to get a bsd style df, but standard /usr/bin/df has two switches '-tk' that cause it to do the right thing. >2. Edit the makefile.sol file in the pine directory and add -Dconst= to >the CFLAGS line I really do not understand why this was not part of the distribution. Let's hope they get it right next time. >3. Make sure you *unset* the environment variable LD_LIBRARY_PATH Ideally LD_LIBRARY_PATH should never be set. All binaries should be linked with the -R flag set (and the same value as -L) so they can find their dynamic libs. A piece of general advice to people who are compiling stuff on Solaris, you should get the Solaris Porting FAQ at the FAQ place, and hang out on c.u.solaris. In general Sun and AT&T did not do a good job with the src compat stuff when they developed SVR4, plus a lot of interfaces changed. Now that everyone has gotten most everything ported to the new SVR4 interfaces, Sun is adding some new bsd src compat stuff in Solaris 2.5, which will break backward compatibility from 2.5 back to 2.4 or 2.3 (no one should still be running Solaris < 2.3 anymore if they can possibly help it), so, even though 2.5 will support more of the bsd stuff, people should still avoid it unless they can guarantee no one will ever try to run the binaries on Solaris < 2.5. Get the Solaris Porting FAQ and do a proper SVR4 port of anything that is not already done. >I then did a 'build clean' then a 'build sol' and it built . TA DA! :-) >Hope this info helps. >Carolynn >On Thu, 30 Nov 1995, Mark Crispin wrote: >> On Thu, 30 Nov 1995, Michael J. Weiss wrote: >> > First of all, I was not able to find a pre-done option to build for >> > Solaris. >> >> It's the "sol" build. >> >> ...text deleted for brevity > >Carolynn Seeley email: seeley@mcmaster.ca >Consultant, Office Systems Support cseeley@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca >PINE Administrator >Computing and Information Services >McMaster University, ABB-132 >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)810-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Web admin: chimera,nn,tin,jove,kermit - free's best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 2 08:26:29 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14753; Sat, 2 Dec 95 08:26:29 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07396; Sat, 2 Dec 95 08:14:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07390; Sat, 2 Dec 95 08:14:20 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tLuXI-00038EC; Sat, 2 Dec 95 08:11 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ccurtis@ee.fit.edu (Christopher W. Curtis) Subject: Re: more features requested Message-Id: References: Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 20:42:36 GMT In borsenkow.msk@sni.de (Andrej Borsenkow) writes: >3. When viewing message/rfc822 part (and ALL digest parts are message) >be able to Reply to original sender. Now I can reply only to the >submitter of digest as whole. I have checked such digests - normally >EVERY part has original sender as From: header. I'd like to second this ... apparently cc:Mail does some strange things with MIME - when I tried replying to a message I got generated by cc:Mail that was MIME'd, the "Include message text?" text was nothing but the headers - the real message was sent as an attachment. Secondly, does anyone know if there's a plan for PINE to support POP3 rather than [in addition to] IMAP (3-beta, 4-alpha, etc.) ?? TIA, -- Christopher Curtis, Sun SysAdmin - http://www.ee.fit.edu/users/ccurtis Florida Institute of Technology - telnet bofh.engr.wisc.edu 666 Melbourne, Florida USA - Member, Team OS/2 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 2 11:11:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17591; Sat, 2 Dec 95 11:11:31 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08777; Sat, 2 Dec 95 11:04:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08771; Sat, 2 Dec 95 11:04:40 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tLxBe-00038DC; Sat, 2 Dec 95 11:01 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gt1355b@acmey.gatech.edu (Chris) Subject: Re: PGP & PINE Date: 2 Dec 1995 02:30:42 GMT Message-Id: <49odoi$3oq@catapult.gatech.edu> References: Alex Minh-Hon Chau (amhchau@acs.ucalgary.ca) wrote: : Hi there... I haven't seen any messages posted that says anything about : pine and pgp... How do you get pgp hooked up to pine? I have this script : that intercepts the editor before (elm) receives control. : I'm sure something like that can be done for pine right? Thanks... I've cobbled together a little script that I use to sign stuff. Basically, you enable an alternate editor, and then set the alternate editor to be the script. The script fires up pico (or your favorite editor; I use pico since that's the pine editor ;-) and you compose the letter. Then, when you exit, it asks if you want to sign it and if you want to digitally sign it. If so, it adds your .sig and your pgp signature. It's fairly short, so I won't bother uuencoding it. sign: #!/bin/sh #Edit the following to suit your needs. PATH_TO_SIG=$HOME/.mail.signature PINE_EDIT='pico -z -t' #Everything else is pretty much fixed. Only muck around with it if you #know what you're doing. $PINE_EDIT $1 clear echo "Add your signature to this? [Y/n] " read SIG echo " " echo "Digitally sign this? [Y/n] " read PGP if [ "$PGP" = "y" ] then pgp -sat $1 mv $1.asc $1 fi if [ "$PGP" = "Y" ] then pgp -sat $1 mv $1.asc $1 fi if [ "$PGP" = "" ] then pgp -sat $1 mv $1.asc $1 fi if [ "$SIG" = "y" ] then echo " " >> $1 cat $PATH_TO_SIG >> $1 fi if [ "$SIG" = "Y" ] then echo " " >> $1 cat $PATH_TO_SIG >> $1 fi if [ "$SIG" = "" ] then echo " " >> $1 cat $PATH_TO_SIG >> $1 fi Hope this helps. chris -- Chris Ricker : gt1355b@prism.gatech.edu : The Georgia Institute o' Technology "I got a threshold, Jules. I got a threshold for the abuse I'll take. And you're crossing it. I'm a race car and you got me in the red. Redline 7000, that's where you are. Just know, it's...dangerous to be drivin' a race car when it's in the red. It could blow." --Vincent Vega-- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 2 12:26:49 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19230; Sat, 2 Dec 95 12:26:49 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11101; Sat, 2 Dec 95 12:19:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11095; Sat, 2 Dec 95 12:19:49 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tLyPP-00038EC; Sat, 2 Dec 95 12:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Alex Minh-Hon Chau Subject: PGP & PINE Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 15:37:18 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi there... I haven't seen any messages posted that says anything about pine and pgp... How do you get pgp hooked up to pine? I have this script that intercepts the editor before (elm) receives control. I'm sure something like that can be done for pine right? Thanks... Another thing... <> > <<>> > <<< <>>>> >>> _>><<<<>>>>>> >>> >> \|/ \<<<<< < >>>>>>>>> ------*--===<=<< > <<<<<< << << Big Al /|\ << () _/ < <<<<<<<<<<< amhchau@acs.ucalgary.ca < \ / \ >>>>>>> >>>>>> ____ | | | < < <<<<->>->>---___((- \\\\ \\\ \ o_|\ / <<< << \ \\\\ \ \\\\\\\\ | _/ \ \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ | / / / \\ \\\\\\\\\ \ \\ ______/\/ / / / \\\ \\ / _ _____/ _/ ________( /( / / / ________/`---------' \ (\_ \_ /_/ \ \ \ \ \_\ || \ \ ) / | | \| \\_ / / | | \| / / || _// |\ /_| |/ $$$$$$$$ $$$$ $$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$ $$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$ $$$$ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 2 12:49:03 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19672; Sat, 2 Dec 95 12:49:03 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10333; Sat, 2 Dec 95 12:44:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10327; Sat, 2 Dec 95 12:44:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tLyjh-00038DC; Sat, 2 Dec 95 12:40 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: zachcox@nando.net (Zach Cox) Subject: Recovering A Pine Session After Disconnect Date: 2 Dec 1995 16:32:52 GMT Message-Id: <49pv3k$gc5@castle.nando.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII My internet service provider gives each subscriber a UNIX shell account... That shell account has access to PINE as the mail program... I find this a very good way to handle e-mail since I can logon from various computers and all my mail is in one place rather than scattered all over the place... Every now and then I get disconnected in the middle of composing an e-mail... After getting successfully re-connected to and upon starting up PINE and choosing compose the message I was working on comes back just like I had used the ^O (postpone) option... I do not know what to do to assure that this event will take place... Sometimes it seems that the e-mail I was working on goes into the "bit-bucket"... I wonder if any "pine-grurus" (or perhaps UNIX grurus) out there know what to do to reattach to a session that was terminated by a disconnect... Murphy's Law states that this event will only occur while composing the longest messages... Thanks in advance... Zach... ======================================================================== Name: Zach Cox Senior Software Engineer. Internet: zachcox@nando.net Nexus Software Inc. CompuServe: 76543,2003 I teach computers how to dream. ======================================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 2 13:16:28 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20333; Sat, 2 Dec 95 13:16:28 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11965; Sat, 2 Dec 95 13:09:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11959; Sat, 2 Dec 95 13:09:54 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tLz8c-00038DC; Sat, 2 Dec 95 13:06 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: clameter@miriam.fuller.edu (Christoph Lameter) Subject: Can pine do colors? Date: 2 Dec 1995 10:20:42 -0800 Message-Id: <49q5dq$2ts@miriam.fuller.edu> I am running linux here. Linux supports colors and a lot of other features. How can pine use colors? And I tried pico with f-keys which also did not work under linux. Slackware 3.0.0. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Christoph Lameter FTS Box 466, Pasadena, CA 91182 Internet Administrator Who is like Jesus... who is like God...? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 2 15:06:02 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22490; Sat, 2 Dec 95 15:06:02 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12349; Sat, 2 Dec 95 15:00:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12343; Sat, 2 Dec 95 15:00:07 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tM0sv-00038DC; Sat, 2 Dec 95 14:58 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: James Strickland Subject: (Linux) PINE hangs trying to open INBOX Date: 2 Dec 1995 01:19:58 GMT Message-Id: <49o9jv$3vv@wolfe.wimsey.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been running PINE on my Linux machine for a couple of months without problems. I'm using a PPP connection to the machine which stores my mail. Until yesterday, PINE would start up, say "Opening INBOX...", pause for 5 seconds or so, then request login and password. Everything was hunky-dory, although I did wonder why there was the delay. Yesterday my Internet service provider noticed weird rsh requests - apparently PINE was attempting to start up an IMAP server on the remote host. Security was beefed up and now PINE will just hang when it gets to the "Opening INBOX..." message - apparently it tries the rsh request, doesn't handle the failure properly, and never attempts to contact the IMAP port on the remote host. Has anyone heard of such a problem? Does PINE in fact attempt an rsh? Why? How can I comment this out of the source? Any other pointers? Is this something magic/wrong with the Linux port of PINE? Help! Thanks in advance... (replies through email *will* work because I can just log into the mail server) -- James Strickland Interested in transportation issues? Try james@portal.ca http://www.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca/t2000bc/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 2 16:31:49 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24146; Sat, 2 Dec 95 16:31:49 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14671; Sat, 2 Dec 95 16:20:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14665; Sat, 2 Dec 95 16:20:18 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tM28x-00038HC; Sat, 2 Dec 95 16:18 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: Deleting all mails with one command Date: 2 Dec 1995 15:14:18 -0800 Message-Id: <49qmka$j97@shellx.best.com> References: <49fdn1$k45@fu-berlin.de> jasafir@nando.net (Jesse Aaron Safir) writes: >> >Is there a way to delete all messages at one time? >> >> rm -rf $MAIL If it's an incoming folder, i.e., receives messages via something like procmail, then you should not delete it this way in case it is receiving a msg at the moment that you delete it. You should use a method that uses file locking, e.g., what Jesse describes below. >Or, if you only want to delete all messages in the current folder, enable >the aggregate command set and hit ";", then "a". All messages in the >current folder should be selected, so hit "a" then "d" and "x" and >they're gone... -- <*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*< @..@ Nancy McGough /\_/\ (----) Infinite Ink ( o.o ) ( >__< ) http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ > ~ < From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 2 20:31:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28001; Sat, 2 Dec 95 20:31:23 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16850; Sat, 2 Dec 95 20:25:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16838; Sat, 2 Dec 95 20:25:46 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tM5yl-00038DC; Sat, 2 Dec 95 20:24 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: p014677b@pbfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us (Anthony S Gambino) Subject: PCPine on non-network DOS machine? Date: 2 Dec 1995 07:00:51 GMT Message-Id: <49otj3$kss@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us> A two part question: - Is there any way I can get PCPine to work on a non-networked DOS box? I've got numerous folders downloaded from my system (which has an *extremely* small quota) that I would like to be able to manipulate in a less-clumsy fashion than my current system (text editors and word processors). It's a real hassle to have to go through all these huge tfiles when I can use Pine to manipulate them very easily. - Where is PCPine located? Thanks for any help anyone can give. -- Anthony S. Gambino - p014677b@pbfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us - afn34486@afn.org "Heard a lot of talk about this Jesus, a man of love, a man of strength, But what a man was 2000 years ago, means nothing at all to me today." -- Live, "Operation Spirit" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 2 23:33:16 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01099; Sat, 2 Dec 95 23:33:16 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20297; Sat, 2 Dec 95 23:26:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20291; Sat, 2 Dec 95 23:26:07 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tM8nI-00038DC; Sat, 2 Dec 95 23:25 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) Subject: Re: sending mail to nowhere Date: 2 Dec 1995 06:40:42 GMT Message-Id: <49osda$mbc@news.orst.edu> References: In article , Zachary H Leber wrote: >Is there a way to send mail to a dummy address that doesn't go anywhere >but doesn't get returned? The reason for this is to put a dummy >name such as To: distribution , and put the real recipients >in Bcc for big lists. Addressing it to myself is the current scheme, >but then sometimes people think the mail is not for them. Why don't you create an alias and then send the mail to that alias? Or have your admin create it and point it at a file you own? Or, as a hoot, don't put a To: header in at all. Use only a BCC:, which can be blank. What you might be unaware of is that BCC was't intended to keep the recipients completely secret. It is permitted for the BCC list of addresses to be included in the mail sent to anyone in the BCC list. Just not to anyone in the To: or CC: header. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 3 01:26:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02769; Sun, 3 Dec 95 01:26:25 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20854; Sun, 3 Dec 95 01:21:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20848; Sun, 3 Dec 95 01:21:21 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tMAaO-00038DC; Sun, 3 Dec 95 01:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mjw@pobox.com (Michael J. Weiss) Subject: What's The Difference Bet "By Sender" and "By From"? Date: Sat, 02 Dec 1995 11:08:52 GMT Message-Id: <49pc34$9dk@cocoa.brown.edu> The following is from the config screen in Pine 3.91: saved-msg-name-rule = Set Rule Values --- ---------------------- ( ) by-sender (*) by-from ( ) by-recipient ( ) last-folder-used ( ) default-folder What is the difference between the "by-sender" and "by-from" options? Thanks, Mike From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 3 01:30:22 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02875; Sun, 3 Dec 95 01:30:22 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21885; Sun, 3 Dec 95 01:26:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21879; Sun, 3 Dec 95 01:26:23 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tMAfW-00038EC; Sun, 3 Dec 95 01:25 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ag786@yfn.ysu.edu (Barry Bouwsma) Subject: Re: (Linux) PINE hangs trying to open INBOX Date: 3 Dec 1995 00:53:44 GMT Message-Id: <49qseo$is@news.ysu.edu> References: <49o9jv$3vv@wolfe.wimsey.com> In a previous article, james@portal.ca (James Strickland) says: >I've been running PINE on my Linux machine for a couple of months without >problems. I'm using a PPP connection to the machine which stores my >mail. Until yesterday, PINE would start up, say "Opening INBOX...", pause >for 5 seconds or so, then request login and password. Everything was >hunky-dory, although I did wonder why there was the delay. Pine first makes a connection to your mailbox host, then attempts to exec the imapd on that host with an rsh process. If this fails, such as if you don't have a .rhosts file to permit access from your Linux box, Pine then reverts to the login/password authentication. This delay is due to the time taken for this rsh attempt at transparent passwordless login to fail and an IMAP port 143 connection to be established. To prevent Pine from trying this rsh login (whose intent is to make the IMAP access to the mail folders transparent to the users), specify the IMAP port number in the host specification separated from the hostname by a colon, like... {mailhost.your.domain:143}INBOX [also for folder connections*] Your delay should be shorter. There may still be a slight delay as Pine establishes the port 143 connection, but Pine will then skip the attempt at rsh. >Yesterday my Internet service provider noticed weird rsh requests - apparently >PINE was attempting to start up an IMAP server on the remote host. Security >was beefed up and now PINE will just hang when it gets to the "Opening >INBOX..." message - apparently it tries the rsh request, doesn't handle >the failure properly, and never attempts to contact the IMAP >port on the remote host. What your ISP has probably done is to install the tcp_wrapper package and configure it to refuse rsh attempts. However, there's a problem with the way this package closes the refused connection and what an attempt at an rsh without .rhosts or /etc/hosts.equiv fails. I forget the details, maybe someone else can provide them, and possibly configuration to the tcp_wrapper package so this is not a problem. In short, if you try an rsh process that fails (darn it, the security measures I had set up seem to be no longer in effect so I can't describe how it would look) with something other than a Login incorrect or similar, then use the :143 to bypass this authentication. * I believe there is some minor bug related to a hack I made to the folder collections. This would only affect you if you do not already have an IMAP connection to your host, for your primary INBOX, for example. I know my hack to specify username in the .pinerc** wouldn't work there; I'm not sure if the port specification is ignored as well. ** Don't ask. My hacks were wiped out from all the accounts where I had them saved, sorry. -- Barry Bouwsma, Mendel University Brno, Czech Republic -- I Still Have No Life Flash! Seeking work with computers over winter in Czech or Slovak Republic... (or Austria, Switzerland, Germany...) send offers to This sig is five lines long. Check your newsreader configuration if you do not From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 3 03:30:01 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04616; Sun, 3 Dec 95 03:30:01 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22373; Sun, 3 Dec 95 03:16:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22367; Sun, 3 Dec 95 03:16:35 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tMCMt-00038DC; Sun, 3 Dec 95 03:14 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Ben T. Feese" Subject: Re: printing Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 10:03:15 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Jill, Look at the following entry in your .pinerc file and make sure it reads as follows: # Your printer selection printer=attached-to-ansi Then when you hit the Y key, the printing should occur on your local printer (or to whatever printer you may have re-directed your local printing to. Let me know if you have further problems. ============================================================================= Ben T. Feese Professor of Biology Biochemistry/Molecular Biology Program Centre College, Danville, KY 40422 (USA) http://www.centre.edu Internet: feeseb@centre.edu Phone: (606) 238-5318 FAX: (606) 236-7925 ============================================================================= On Tue, 28 Nov 1995 jilmarie@imap2.asu.edu wrote: > Hi, > Does anyone know how to print something out of e-mail to my local printer > rather then to the schools computer? > Thanks, > Jill > jilmarie@imap2.asu.edu > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 3 03:54:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04912; Sun, 3 Dec 95 03:54:54 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23745; Sun, 3 Dec 95 03:41:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23739; Sun, 3 Dec 95 03:41:39 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tMClB-00038DC; Sun, 3 Dec 95 03:39 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Dung Le Hoang Subject: Testing Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 00:02:05 +1000 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Please ignore _/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/ _--_|\ Dung Le Hoang EMail: DL.Hoang@fsc.qut.edu.au / QUT Systems Officer Phone: +61 7 3864 2920 \_.--._/ School of Mathematics Fax: +61 7 3864 2310 v Queensland University of Technology Box 2434 Brisbane Q 4001 AUSTRALIA __/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 3 09:08:00 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09286; Sun, 3 Dec 95 09:08:00 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26788; Sun, 3 Dec 95 08:52:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26782; Sun, 3 Dec 95 08:52:15 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tMHdk-00038EC; Sun, 3 Dec 95 08:51 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: [Q] Can I use pine with a Pop account? Date: 2 Dec 1995 15:03:37 -0800 Message-Id: <49qm09$gdm@shellx.best.com> References: lgentes@netcom.com (Lockley Gentes) writes: >How can I access a pop mail account with unix pine?? >Also, how can I specify a different login and/or password?? Is the host running imapd? If so, you can use IMAP to access your messages. -- <*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*< @..@ Nancy McGough /\_/\ (----) Infinite Ink ( o.o ) ( >__< ) http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ > ~ < From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 3 09:57:16 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10001; Sun, 3 Dec 95 09:57:16 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28508; Sun, 3 Dec 95 09:44:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from [202.54.1.113] by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28496; Sun, 3 Dec 95 09:44:20 -0800 Received: by giascl01.vsnl.net.in; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/19Sep95-0211PM) id AA19311; Sun, 3 Dec 1995 23:17:42 GMT Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 23:17:42 +0000 (GMT) From: "Amit Gupta, Calcutta, India" To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII subscribe help From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 3 10:09:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10184; Sun, 3 Dec 95 10:09:25 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28731; Sun, 3 Dec 95 10:00:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from merlin.nando.net by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28715; Sun, 3 Dec 95 10:00:00 -0800 Received: from parsifal.nando.net by merlin.nando.net (4.1/davel-nando/dec93) id AA08214; Sun, 3 Dec 95 12:59:37 EST Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 13:00:29 -0500 (EST) From: Jesse Aaron Safir To: Borek@psg.com, Lupomesky@psg.com Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Automated logins in Pine - how In-Reply-To: <49ko1p$ov4@ns.felk.cvut.cz> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Borek, > When I read mail remotely via IMAP, Pine asks for username and password. > Can this be automated? You should be able to set your userid in pc-pine's Setup/Config: # Your login/e-mail user name user-id=jasafir Otherwise, unix pine should offer to use the same username on the remote imap server as on your current login. As far as automating the process, to my knowledge your only option would be to use "initial-keystroke-list" in Setup/Config and get the sequencing right. Also, make sure that if you put your password in there, you at least "chmod o-r ~/.pinerc". I'd like to see increased imap login functionality in future versions of pine, but I don't know what changes, if any are planned... Viel Gluck! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ *** Either THIS, or something grander and greater in Thy sight, oh Lord *** ***** Jesse Aaron Safir, UNC--Chapel Hill, I speak for myself ONLY! ***** ******* http://www.unc.edu/~jasafir ==> last updated 9-3-95 ******* ********** ====> jasafir@email.unc.edu, (919) 914-1313 (h) <==== ********** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 3 11:01:07 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10892; Sun, 3 Dec 95 11:01:07 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29462; Sun, 3 Dec 95 10:52:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29455; Sun, 3 Dec 95 10:52:28 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tMJTr-00038DC; Sun, 3 Dec 95 10:49 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ag786@yfn.ysu.edu (Barry Bouwsma) Subject: Re: What's The Difference Bet "By Sender" and "By From"? Date: 2 Dec 1995 23:59:07 GMT Message-Id: <49qp8b$r40@news.ysu.edu> References: <49pc34$9dk@cocoa.brown.edu> In a previous article, mjw@pobox.com (Michael J. Weiss) says: >saved-msg-name-rule = >What is the difference between the "by-sender" and "by-from" options? Certain LISTSERV mail exploders send out their mails with the ``From:'' header as the person who sent the message to the list, and the ``Sender:'' field containing the name of the list. Chances are, if you don't pre-sort your mail through some filter program, you'll want to save all mail arriving in your INBOX from a mailing list to a folder of the same (or similar) name, rather than to a folder with the name of the person who sent the message to the list. By selecting the by-sender option, such LISTSERV mail will be put into a LIST-L style folder name. With the by-from option, a separate folder will be used for each list participant. If memory serves, the by-sender rule actually was the by-from behavior through Pine3.85 . -- Barry Bouwsma, Mendel University Brno, Czech Republic -- I Still Have No Life Flash! Seeking work with computers over winter in Czech or Slovak Republic... (or Austria, Switzerland, Germany...) send offers to This sig is five lines long. Check your newsreader configuration if you do not From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 3 14:50:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15799; Sun, 3 Dec 95 14:50:31 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03258; Sun, 3 Dec 95 14:48:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tempest.ece.uiuc.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03252; Sun, 3 Dec 95 14:48:08 -0800 Received: (from bzimmer@localhost) by tempest.ece.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA04635; Sun, 3 Dec 1995 16:48:05 -0600 Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 16:48:04 -0600 (CST) From: "Brian T. Zimmer" X-Sender: bzimmer@tempest.ece.uiuc.edu To: pine Subject: Automatic CC's Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello, When other people using pine mail an original message to me, I am automatically included as a CC. It asks if I wish to "Reply to all recipients?" Why is this?? Thanks, Brian ----- Brian Zimmer bzimmer@uiuc.edu http://www.ziclix.com/~bzimmer "Adventure is where others aren't" - Rheinhold Messner From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 3 15:11:49 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16140; Sun, 3 Dec 95 15:11:49 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02558; Sun, 3 Dec 95 15:08:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02552; Sun, 3 Dec 95 15:07:59 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tMNTr-00038DC; Sun, 3 Dec 95 15:05 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Will Baldwin" <76200.275@compuserve.com> Subject: PcPine local INBOX? Date: Sun, 3 Dec 95 12:45:20 CST Message-Id: <58480.76200.275@compuserve.com> I'm trying to run PcPine (WATTCP version) on a stand alone PC through Etherppp via modem to the Compuserve gateway. It seems to connect OK, but keeps asking me for an INBOX. I have tried to define INBOX in Pinerc as a local file on my hard drive, but it doesn't seem to take. It seems I connect OK to Compuserve, but when I try to download Usenet newsgroups, PINE hangs. Is this related to the INBOX problem? Anyone have a patch that allows PCPine to use a local INBOX? Please respond only by email, since my access to Usenet is irregular. TIA. -- Will Baldwin - Joplin, Mo, USA - email: 76200.275@compuserve.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 3 15:28:07 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16482; Sun, 3 Dec 95 15:28:07 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03798; Sun, 3 Dec 95 15:23:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03792; Sun, 3 Dec 95 15:23:01 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tMNhI-00038DC; Sun, 3 Dec 95 15:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: James Strickland Subject: Re: (Linux) PINE hangs trying to open INBOX Date: 3 Dec 1995 18:56:50 GMT Message-Id: <49srti$hiv@wolfe.wimsey.com> References: <49o9jv$3vv@wolfe.wimsey.com> <49qseo$is@news.ysu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you!!!! The {mailhost.your.domain:143}INBOX fix works! -- James Strickland Interested in transportation issues? Try james@portal.ca http://www.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca/t2000bc/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 3 16:15:10 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17568; Sun, 3 Dec 95 16:15:10 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03584; Sun, 3 Dec 95 16:12:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from THULE.MT.CS.CMU.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03578; Sun, 3 Dec 95 16:12:01 -0800 Message-Id: <9512040012.AA03578@mx1.cac.washington.edu> Received: from [127.0.0.1] by THULE.MT.CS.CMU.EDU id aa06008; 3 Dec 95 19:11 EST Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE In-Reply-To: Your message of "03 Dec 1995 18:56:50 GMT." <49srti$hiv@wolfe.wimsey.com> Date: Sun, 03 Dec 1995 19:11:57 -0500 From: Henry Robertson UNSUBSCRIBE From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 3 17:43:55 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19480; Sun, 3 Dec 95 17:43:55 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04944; Sun, 3 Dec 95 17:38:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04938; Sun, 3 Dec 95 17:38:17 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tMPnZ-00038DC; Sun, 3 Dec 95 17:34 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Lloyd Wood Subject: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 3 Dec 1995 01:18:08 GMT Message-Id: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have just discovered, to my considerable cost and embarrassment, that pine hasn't the simplest idea of privacy. (I'm using 3.91 compiled for Solaris.) I post to a newsgroup. (1) Someone emails me concerning that post, doing a reply to me. (2) I email a reply to them. (3) Since they emailed me, it's now a private conversation unless both parties agree to make it public. So, when I send the email reply in pine, pine pops up a helpful question. 'Do you want to post this to the newsgroups X too?' And I say yes, because I assume that for pine to ask me, the email I am replying to must have been both mailed and posted. This is not the case. pine asks this seemingly helpful question anyway, regardless of whether or not (2) was mailed or mailed-and-posted. THIS IS THE STUPIDEST TRAP I HAVE EVER HAD THE DISPLEASURE OF FALLING INTO. Posting private email is bad form on usenet, yet pine encourages you to do it. I am severely peeved. I can't believe that a program as mature as pine is can have this goddam awful behaviour. So how do I hack the source to change this awful and dangerous behaviour? L. -- netboy From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 3 19:35:52 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21360; Sun, 3 Dec 95 19:35:52 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06484; Sun, 3 Dec 95 19:31:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shivams.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06478; Sun, 3 Dec 95 19:31:05 -0800 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21221; Sun, 3 Dec 95 19:30:51 -0800 Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 19:30:50 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: Lloyd Wood Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy In-Reply-To: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> Message-Id: Organization: University of Washington; Office of Computing & Communications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In a probably futile endeavor to foreshorten yet another protracted and pointless flame-fest on this topic, here are a few facts: o The root of the problem is that *some* news-reading programs put a Newsgroups header into *email* messages that they send via SMTP, which were *not* also posted via NNTP. o In order to accommodate the behavior of these newsreaders (which we feel is at *best* ill-advised), Pine 3.92 will ignore Newsgroups headers when deciding whether to give you the CHOICE of posting, unless there is also a PATH header. o In the meantime, you can tell procmail to delete such newsgroup headers in incoming email messages. -teg On 3 Dec 1995, Lloyd Wood wrote: > I have just discovered, to my considerable cost and embarrassment, > that pine hasn't the simplest idea of privacy. > (I'm using 3.91 compiled for Solaris.) > > I post to a newsgroup. (1) > Someone emails me concerning that post, doing a reply to me. (2) > I email a reply to them. (3) > > Since they emailed me, it's now a private conversation unless > both parties agree to make it public. > > So, when I send the email reply in pine, pine pops up a helpful > question. 'Do you want to post this to the newsgroups X too?' > > And I say yes, because I assume that for pine to ask me, the > email I am replying to must have been both mailed and posted. > > This is not the case. pine asks this seemingly helpful question anyway, > regardless of whether or not (2) was mailed or mailed-and-posted. > > THIS IS THE STUPIDEST TRAP I HAVE EVER HAD THE DISPLEASURE OF FALLING INTO. > > Posting private email is bad form on usenet, yet pine encourages you > to do it. I am severely peeved. I can't believe that a program as > mature as pine is can have this goddam awful behaviour. > > So how do I hack the source to change this awful and dangerous behaviour? > > L. > > -- > netboy > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 3 20:22:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22426; Sun, 3 Dec 95 20:22:23 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07994; Sun, 3 Dec 95 20:18:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07988; Sun, 3 Dec 95 20:18:56 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tMSHv-00038DC; Sun, 3 Dec 95 20:13 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ag786@yfn.ysu.edu (Barry Bouwsma) Subject: Re: problem with customizing pine header Date: 3 Dec 1995 16:57:09 GMT Message-Id: <49skt5$ssv@news.ysu.edu> References: <49nmdj$n8s@panix.com> In a previous article, gray@cac.washington.edu (Terry Gray) says: >Set user-domain to just the domain, not your whole address. >That is, lose the "a@". > >On 1 Dec 1995, Alan J. Munn wrote: > >> I am zz@panix.com . Panix is an Internet Service Provider. >> I have a higher level domain: munn.nyc.ny.us . >> On that domain (serviced for me by Panix), I am >> a@munn.nyc.ny.us . >> >> I use Pine. I want my header to show my own higher level >> domain, not panix.com . So, I went to the Pine menu, chose >> setup, chose configure, and then changed the user-domain line >> to a@munn.nyc.ny.us . The result is that my header's from line >> became >> "Alan J. Munn" . That won't quite work in this case. Pine's user-domain setting allows you to change the domain, but not the login. In order to change the login, as this user needs to do, it would be necessary to be running a version of Pine custom-compiled to allow changing of the From: header. If such a version is being run, then the From: can be rewritten to be From: "Alan J. Munn" This is necessary if the desired login is different. For the most part, it would be adequate to add an optional custom Reply-To: header field with the a@munn... address, since the majority of e-mail programs will direct mail to that address, but there are some cases where using the From: field is desirable. >> I can't get rid of the zz as user ID. -- Barry Bouwsma, Mendel University Brno, Czech Republic -- I Still Have No Life Flash! Seeking work with computers over winter in Czech or Slovak Republic... (or Austria, Switzerland, Germany...) send offers to This sig is five lines long. Check your newsreader configuration if you do not From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 3 20:50:56 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22799; Sun, 3 Dec 95 20:50:56 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07605; Sun, 3 Dec 95 20:46:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from talabah.iiu.my by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07595; Sun, 3 Dec 95 20:45:54 -0800 Received: (from anhar@localhost) by talabah.iiu.my (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA22967; Mon, 4 Dec 1995 12:44:56 +0800 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 12:44:55 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: Anhar Arshat To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Frequently Asked Question List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Kindly sent me the faq list for my reference. Thank you. Love Anhar From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 3 21:43:00 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23797; Sun, 3 Dec 95 21:43:00 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08406; Sun, 3 Dec 95 21:39:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08400; Sun, 3 Dec 95 21:39:08 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tMTZc-00038DC; Sun, 3 Dec 95 21:36 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: more features requested Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 11:59:28 -0800 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Fri, 1 Dec 1995, Christopher W. Curtis wrote: > Secondly, does anyone know if there's a plan for PINE to support POP3 > rather than [in addition to] IMAP (3-beta, 4-alpha, etc.) ?? Pine supports POP3 now, but it's buggy (the bugs are fixed in Pine 3.92). Not that anyone would *want* to use POP3 if they have IMAP available. -- Mark -- DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 3 23:54:26 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25786; Sun, 3 Dec 95 23:54:26 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10904; Sun, 3 Dec 95 23:44:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10898; Sun, 3 Dec 95 23:44:24 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tMVVo-00038EC; Sun, 3 Dec 95 23:40 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dean@tbone.biol.sc.edu (Dean Pentcheff) Subject: Re: PGP & PINE Date: 3 Dec 1995 22:01:39 -0500 Message-Id: <49toaj$4ec@tbone.biol.sc.edu> References: Alex Minh-Hon Chau writes: >Hi there... I haven't seen any messages posted that says anything about >pine and pgp... How do you get pgp hooked up to pine? I have this script >that intercepts the editor before (elm) receives control. >I'm sure something like that can be done for pine right? Thanks... >Another thing... [23-line signature deleted. 5 lines are widely considered sufficient.] There is a csh script that does the job. For info: finger slutsky@lipschitz.sfasu.edu For the script itself, send blank e-mail to: slutsky@lipschitz.sfasu.edu with Subject: mkpgp -Dean -- N. Dean Pentcheff WWW: http://tbone.biol.sc.edu/~dean/ Biological Sciences, Univ. of South Carolina, Columbia SC 29208 (803-777-3936) PGP ID=768/22A1A015 Keyprint=2D 53 87 53 72 4A F2 83 A0 BF CB C0 D1 0E 76 C0 Get PGP keys and information with the command: "finger dean@tbone.biol.sc.edu" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 4 00:22:13 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26575; Mon, 4 Dec 95 00:22:13 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10601; Mon, 4 Dec 95 00:14:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from nova.unix.portal.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10595; Mon, 4 Dec 95 00:14:08 -0800 Received: from mail.ip.portal.com (mail.ip.portal.com [156.151.6.17]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA23484 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 1995 00:12:59 -0800 Received: from wardah.ccse.kfupm.edu.sa (kfupm.edu.sa [156.151.129.5]) by mail.ip.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA26793 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 1995 00:12:21 -0800 Received: from khuzama.ccse.kfupm.edu.sa (khuzama.ccse.kfupm.edu.sa [196.1.64.97]) by wardah.ccse.kfupm.edu.sa (8.6.4/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA23016 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 1995 10:53:11 +0300 Received: from yanbu.ccse.kfupm.edu.sa by khuzama.ccse.kfupm.edu.sa (5.0/SMI-SVR4-khuzama) id AA00099; Mon, 4 Dec 1995 10:55:27 +0300 From: suhaib@ccse.kfupm.edu.sa (Suhaib Khan) Message-Id: <9512041355.AA00099@khuzama.ccse.kfupm.edu.sa> Received: by yanbu.ccse.kfupm.edu.sa (NX5.67c/NX3.0X) id AA00782; Mon, 4 Dec 95 10:55:53 +0300 Subject: using ispell with pine To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 10:55:52 +0300 (GMT+0300) Cc: suhaib@khuzama.ccse.kfupm.edu.sa (Suhaib Khan) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 297 Apologies if this has been answered n times before - we do not have full internet access at this site. Is is possible to use the interactive spell checker ispell with pine to check composed messages before they are sent? Please email you reply to: suhaib@ccse.kfupm.edu.sa regards, Suhaib Khan From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 4 00:23:04 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26620; Mon, 4 Dec 95 00:23:04 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11459; Mon, 4 Dec 95 00:17:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ms.uibk.ac.at by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11453; Mon, 4 Dec 95 00:17:28 -0800 Received: from dm.uibk.ac.at (dme.uibk.ac.at) by uibk.ac.at with SMTP id AA22361 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 4 Dec 1995 09:17:18 +0100 Received: by dm.uibk.ac.at (950911.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH825/CFIBK-2f.IRIX) id JAA05190; Mon, 4 Dec 1995 09:17:18 +0100 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 09:17:18 +0100 (MET) From: Ralf Kronberger To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: unsubcribe Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII unsubscribe From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 4 00:45:14 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27040; Mon, 4 Dec 95 00:45:14 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11036; Mon, 4 Dec 95 00:34:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11030; Mon, 4 Dec 95 00:34:31 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tMWHX-00038DC; Mon, 4 Dec 95 00:29 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: (Linux) PINE hangs trying to open INBOX Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 11:43:02 -0800 Message-Id: References: <49o9jv$3vv@wolfe.wimsey.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <49o9jv$3vv@wolfe.wimsey.com> Pine tries the command "rsh IMAPSERVER /etc/rimapd" to see if it can get a IMAP connection using rsh authentication. If you do not have rsh permission, or if /etc/rimapd does not exist, then the rsh command gets an error and it will open a TCP connection to port 143 (the IMAP port) which will require you to log in. Normally, the rsh rejection happens in a few seconds. Your ISP made the usual knee-jerk response, which was to turn off rsh service in a paranoid assumption that "security was being violated". No such thing was actually happening, and generally sites which behave this way are clueless about real security problems which go on. The problem with the knee-jerk response is that they usually do it wrong; they simply remove rsh service or filter out rsh packets. The problem is that without an explicit refusal from an rsh server, the rsh client will take a substantial amount of time before it times out. Pine is sitting there waiting for the rsh program to do something. Pine 3.92 will impose a 10 second alarm clock around the rsh call. The right fix it to get your ISP to turn off rsh properly, or find another ISP. The workaround that you can do now is to force Pine to connect to port 143, skipping the rsh step. You do that by appending ":143" to the hostname in the mailbox specification. For example, in .pinerc: inbox-path={imapserver.paranoid-isp.com:143}inbox Another workaround, if you assume that you will never be able to use rsh, would be to remove the rsh binary from your system and/or rename it so that Pine cannot find it. On 2 Dec 1995, James Strickland wrote: > I've been running PINE on my Linux machine for a couple of months without > problems. I'm using a PPP connection to the machine which stores my > mail. Until yesterday, PINE would start up, say "Opening INBOX...", pause > for 5 seconds or so, then request login and password. Everything was > hunky-dory, although I did wonder why there was the delay. > > Yesterday my Internet service provider noticed weird rsh requests - apparently > PINE was attempting to start up an IMAP server on the remote host. Security > was beefed up and now PINE will just hang when it gets to the "Opening > INBOX..." message - apparently it tries the rsh request, doesn't handle > the failure properly, and never attempts to contact the IMAP > port on the remote host. > > Has anyone heard of such a problem? Does PINE in fact attempt an rsh? > Why? How can I comment this out of the source? Any other pointers? > Is this something magic/wrong with the Linux port of PINE? > > Help! > > Thanks in advance... > (replies through email *will* work because I can just log into the mail > server) > > -- > James Strickland Interested in transportation issues? Try > james@portal.ca http://www.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca/t2000bc/ > > > -- Mark -- DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 4 01:08:34 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27637; Mon, 4 Dec 95 01:08:34 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11309; Mon, 4 Dec 95 00:56:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from maila.surrey.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11303; Mon, 4 Dec 95 00:56:03 -0800 Received: from ee.surrey.ac.uk (actually ainur.ee.surrey.ac.uk) by maila.surrey.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 4 Dec 1995 08:55:38 +0000 Received: from kira.ee.surrey.ac.uk by ainur.ee.surrey.ac.uk via Ethernet with SMTP id aa04356; 4 Dec 95 8:55 GMT Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 08:55:34 +0000 (GMT) From: Lloyd Wood To: Terry Gray Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 3 Dec 1995, Terry Gray wrote: > In a probably futile endeavor to foreshorten yet another protracted and > pointless flame-fest on this topic, here are a few facts: > > o The root of the problem is that *some* news-reading programs put a > Newsgroups header into *email* messages that they send via SMTP, > which were *not* also posted via NNTP. > > o In order to accommodate the behavior of these newsreaders (which we > feel is at *best* ill-advised) That behaviour is most certainly not ill-advised. (The newsreader in question was rn, by which all other newsreaders are judged and many are found lacking.) If the reply is in response to a thread that has been crossposted to more than one group, the Newsgroups: line could provide useful information saying which group was being read for the response to be made, which can influence how you in turn respond. If newsreaders used the Newsgroups: line to indicate which group was being read at the time, rather than just copying the line from the posted article being replied to, we'd see a lot less spamming in newsgroups, and a lot more newsgroup-relevant discussion as followups settled into the most relevant group. > Pine 3.92 will ignore Newsgroups > headers when deciding whether to give you the CHOICE of posting, unless > there is also a PATH header. A very sensible decision. L. Lloyd Wood, CSER Networks Group, University of Surrey, +44 1483 300800 x3435 netboy From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 4 03:00:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29638; Mon, 4 Dec 95 03:00:31 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12765; Mon, 4 Dec 95 02:49:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12759; Mon, 4 Dec 95 02:49:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tMYQZ-00038EC; Mon, 4 Dec 95 02:47 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Pierre.Frenkiel@cdf.in2p3.fr (Pierre Frenkiel) Subject: Re: Deleting all mails with one command Date: 4 Dec 1995 07:57:35 GMT Message-Id: <49u9lf$rq0@ccpnws.in2p3.fr> References: <49fdn1$k45@fu-berlin.de> <49qmka$j97@shellx.best.com> : >Or, if you only want to delete all messages in the current folder, enable : >the aggregate command set and hit ";", then "a". All messages in the : >current folder should be selected, so hit "a" then "d" and "x" and : >they're gone... it seems that the "D" command, when viewing folder, does the job in a way which requires less typing ( including the "y" answer when you want to create the folder again) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 4 03:37:28 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00477; Mon, 4 Dec 95 03:37:28 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13622; Mon, 4 Dec 95 02:54:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13616; Mon, 4 Dec 95 02:54:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tMYW8-00038DC; Mon, 4 Dec 95 02:53 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jgvd@guava.epix.net (Jonathan and DearOldDad) Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 4 Dec 1995 05:53:50 GMT Message-Id: <49u2de$j5i@guava.epix.net> References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> Lloyd Wood (L.Wood@surrey.ac.uk) wrote: : I have just discovered, to my considerable cost and embarrassment, : that pine hasn't the simplest idea of privacy. : (I'm using 3.91 compiled for Solaris.) : I post to a newsgroup. (1) : Someone emails me concerning that post, doing a reply to me. (2) Well, you see he didn't e-mail you he replied to you. : I email a reply to them. (3) : Since they emailed me, it's now a private conversation unless : both parties agree to make it public. : So, when I send the email reply in pine, Well you did use a x-mailer mozilla (sp) not pine, but ... : pine pops up a helpful : question. 'Do you want to post this to the newsgroups X too?' : And I say yes, because I assume that for pine to ask me, the : email I am replying to must have been both mailed and posted. Yes if it asks you that it was probably both mailed and posted, or it was a (r)eply from a posting of yours to a newsgroup, NOT a private email message, yer almost correct. : This is not the case. pine asks this seemingly helpful question anyway, : regardless of whether or not (2) was mailed or mailed-and-posted. : THIS IS THE STUPIDEST TRAP I HAVE EVER HAD THE DISPLEASURE OF FALLING INTO. : Posting private email is bad form on usenet, yet pine encourages you : to do it. I am severely peeved. I can't believe that a program as : mature as pine is can have this goddam awful behaviour. : So how do I hack the source to change this awful and dangerous behaviour? You don't need to hack anything, just answer (n)o rather than (y)es when asked 'do you want to post this ... etc' Sheessh ... If you answer (y)es to the question 'do you want to post this?', what do you think may happen ... Only a thought! BYE. /\ /~\/\/\ /\ /\ /\ |>> John (aka DearOldDad) /\ \/\/ / / \/\/ \/\/\/ \/ \/\|Fore! Pocono Mtns PA USA EARTH/__\/_/__/_/___/email_jgvd@epix.net_|_____ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 4 07:26:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05239; Mon, 4 Dec 95 07:26:42 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16606; Mon, 4 Dec 95 07:02:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shivams.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16600; Mon, 4 Dec 95 07:02:53 -0800 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04630; Mon, 4 Dec 95 07:01:37 -0800 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 07:01:36 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: Lloyd Wood Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Organization: University of Washington; Office of Computing & Communications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, Lloyd Wood wrote: > > o The root of the problem is that *some* news-reading programs put a > > Newsgroups header into *email* messages that they send via SMTP, > > which were *not* also posted via NNTP. > > That behaviour is most certainly not ill-advised. (The newsreader in > question was rn, by which all other newsreaders are judged and many > are found lacking.) The newsgroups header is the RFC-defined way to specify which newsgroups a message should be posted to. The concept of which newsgroups a message thread originated in is an entirely different one, and using the same header for both is "at best, ill-advised", rn apologists notwithstanding. Like I said, I don't want to see another extended and pointless argument about this, so I'll stop now, and we can agree to disagree. Since Pine 3.92 will include a work-around for the rn behavior, the issue is moot. -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 4 10:49:29 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13976; Mon, 4 Dec 95 10:49:29 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23043; Mon, 4 Dec 95 10:31:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from THULE.MT.CS.CMU.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23034; Mon, 4 Dec 95 10:31:52 -0800 Message-Id: <9512041831.AA23034@mx2.cac.washington.edu> Received: from [127.0.0.1] by THULE.MT.CS.CMU.EDU id aa06622; 4 Dec 95 13:31 EST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: HELP!!! Date: Mon, 04 Dec 1995 13:31:34 -0500 From: Henry Robertson I need to unsubscribe robohen@cs.cmu.edu, but majordomo refuses to do it because my e-mail is handled by robohen@nl.cs.cmu.edu. My mailbox is deluged with messages from this forum and I must go on. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 4 11:18:11 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15360; Mon, 4 Dec 95 11:18:11 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23153; Mon, 4 Dec 95 11:05:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23147; Mon, 4 Dec 95 11:05:55 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tMg96-00038DC; Mon, 4 Dec 95 11:01 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: eli@cs.cmu.edu (Eli Brandt) Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 4 Dec 1995 17:14:03 GMT Message-Id: <49va8r$4jm@cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu> References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> In article , Paul O Bartlett wrote: > Calm down. All you have to do is answer 'no' when Pine asks you >whether you want to reply to the newsgroup also. Probably the original >response you got had a newsgroup header in it -- that's the sender's >problem -- so Pine is actually doing you a favor of allowing you to make >a choice. "Do you want to blow away your inode table too? (Y/N)" Sure, it's the user's fault. But it's Pine's fault too. I've seen enough people bitten by this feature that I have to consider it a design bug. You don't have to be totally clueless to make the mistaken assumption that the program knows what it's doing. I don't understand why Pine feels the need to ask this question. A Newsgroups: header is no indication that the message was mailed-and- posted -- unfortunately, there is no standard way to indicate this, AFAIK. And unintended privacy is a much better failure mode than unintended publicity. If you're a Pine user, how often do you answer "yes" to this question, or have you turned it off? Not having used Pine, I may be off base: if this feature is off by default and gives a warning on activation, the user has only himself to blame. -- Eli Brandt eli+@cs.cmu.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 4 13:13:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21705; Mon, 4 Dec 95 13:13:42 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27726; Mon, 4 Dec 95 13:07:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from aldrin.eng.usf.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27720; Mon, 4 Dec 95 13:07:14 -0800 Received: (from black@localhost) by aldrin.eng.usf.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id PAA01215; Mon, 4 Dec 1995 15:07:18 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 15:07:18 -0500 (EST) From: James Black X-Sender: black@aldrin To: Eli Brandt Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy In-Reply-To: <49va8r$4jm@cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello, On 4 Dec 1995, Eli Brandt wrote: > In article , > Paul O Bartlett wrote: > > Calm down. All you have to do is answer 'no' when Pine asks you > >whether you want to reply to the newsgroup also. Probably the original > >response you got had a newsgroup header in it -- that's the sender's > >problem -- so Pine is actually doing you a favor of allowing you to make > >a choice. > > "Do you want to blow away your inode table too? (Y/N)" > > Sure, it's the user's fault. But it's Pine's fault too. I've seen > enough people bitten by this feature that I have to consider it a > design bug. You don't have to be totally clueless to make the > mistaken assumption that the program knows what it's doing. As a frequent user of pine I have gotten used to thinking before answering yes, and I usually say no if I am not sure, so that privacy is protected. Regardless what you do some people will complain as the computer should be psychic, and it is not. My second rule of programming is: Computers are stupid (Rule 1 is KISS). Just my $0.02, but when asked a question think and don't assume. Take care and have fun. ========================================================================== James Black (Comp Sci/Comp Eng sophomore) e-mail: black@eng.usf.edu http://www.eng.usf.edu/~black/index.html ************************************************************************** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 4 13:32:27 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22673; Mon, 4 Dec 95 13:32:27 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28334; Mon, 4 Dec 95 13:26:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from [192.100.195.101] by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28328; Mon, 4 Dec 95 13:26:10 -0800 Received: (from jcordova@localhost) by amoxcalli.leon.uia.mx (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA01987; Mon, 4 Dec 1995 17:25:52 GMT Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 17:25:52 +0000 (GMT) From: Josi Manuel Csrdova Villanueva To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Setup Pc-Pine Winsock Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dear Srs. I am trying to setup pc - pine winsock but it does not work. I get Can't connect to amoxcalli.leon.uia.mx,143: Refused(10061) and I have in /etc/services the next line imap3 143/tcp #mail services and in /etc/inetd.conf imap sream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd imapd What can I do? Thanks a lot jcordova@amoxcalli.leon.uia.mx Jose Manuel Cordova V. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 4 14:17:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24864; Mon, 4 Dec 95 14:17:54 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29154; Mon, 4 Dec 95 14:11:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29148; Mon, 4 Dec 95 14:11:21 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tMj68-00038EC; Mon, 4 Dec 95 14:10 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 4 Dec 1995 09:40:24 -0800 Message-Id: <49vbq8$ia@shellx.best.com> References: gray@cac.washington.edu (Terry Gray) writes: >On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, Lloyd Wood wrote: >> That behaviour is most certainly not ill-advised. (The newsreader in >> question was rn, by which all other newsreaders are judged and many >> are found lacking.) > >The newsgroups header is the RFC-defined way to specify which newsgroups a >message should be posted to. > >The concept of which newsgroups a message thread originated in is an >entirely different one, and using the same header for both is "at best, >ill-advised", rn apologists notwithstanding. > >Like I said, I don't want to see another extended and pointless argument >about this, so I'll stop now, and we can agree to disagree. Since Pine >3.92 will include a work-around for the rn behavior, the issue is moot. I also don't want to get into another discussion about this. If you are interested in helping to come up with a set of message headers that will be meaningful to both mail and news user agents, please read comp.mail.headers and consider joining the mailnews-l mailing list. Information about that list is at: http://www.jazzie.com/ii/internet/mailnews.html Thanks, Nancy -- <*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*< @..@ Nancy McGough /\_/\ (----) Infinite Ink ( o.o ) ( >__< ) http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ > ~ < From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 4 14:18:32 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24923; Mon, 4 Dec 95 14:18:32 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29630; Mon, 4 Dec 95 14:11:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29624; Mon, 4 Dec 95 14:11:19 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tMj67-00038DC; Mon, 4 Dec 95 14:10 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 4 Dec 1995 09:29:09 -0800 Message-Id: <49vb55$lf8@shellx.best.com> References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> gray@cac.washington.edu (Terry Gray) writes: > o In the meantime, you can tell procmail to delete such newsgroup headers > in incoming email messages. Here's a procmail recipe that should work to do this: :0 fhw * ^Newsgroups: * ! ^Message-Id:.*Pine | formail -R Newsgroups: X-Originated-In-Newsgroups: I have lots of info about setting up and using procmail at: http://www.jazzie.com/ii/internet/procmail/ Good luck, Nancy -- <*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*< @..@ Nancy McGough /\_/\ (----) Infinite Ink ( o.o ) ( >__< ) http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ > ~ < From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 4 15:18:15 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28357; Mon, 4 Dec 95 15:18:15 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01550; Mon, 4 Dec 95 15:09:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shivams.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01544; Mon, 4 Dec 95 15:09:15 -0800 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28095; Mon, 4 Dec 95 15:09:13 -0800 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 15:09:12 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: more features requested In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Organization: University of Washington; Office of Computing & Communications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I think it's important to distinguish access protocols and access paradigms... I believe that when most people ask for POP support, they have in mind "offline" access, wherein mail is downloaded from the server and deleted. Pine does not yet support offline message processing, but that is a planned enhancement. As Mark states, if you want to access a mail server in *online* mode, but using POP rather than IMAP, you can do that today (by recompiling Pine with a recent c-client version to fix some bugs). Presumbaly this scenario is only of interest where a provider refuses to run an IMAP daemon. For more info on this topic, see ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/mail/imap.vs.pop -teg On Sun, 3 Dec 1995, Mark Crispin wrote: > On Fri, 1 Dec 1995, Christopher W. Curtis wrote: > > Secondly, does anyone know if there's a plan for PINE to support POP3 > > rather than [in addition to] IMAP (3-beta, 4-alpha, etc.) ?? > > Pine supports POP3 now, but it's buggy (the bugs are fixed in Pine 3.92). > Not that anyone would *want* to use POP3 if they have IMAP available. > > -- Mark -- > > DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" > Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 4 17:21:38 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04887; Mon, 4 Dec 95 17:21:38 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05799; Mon, 4 Dec 95 17:13:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from aruba.CCIT.Arizona.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05793; Mon, 4 Dec 95 17:13:14 -0800 Received: (from yontaek@localhost) by aruba.ccit.arizona.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA55061; Mon, 4 Dec 1995 18:14:16 -0700 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 18:14:16 -0700 (MST) From: Yontaek Choi X-Sender: yontaek@aruba.ccit.arizona.edu To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Delete all Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am trying to delete all the messages (more than 1,000) in a folder at a time. I typed ";" for select, "a" for all, and "d" for delete. But, instead of all messages, just one where the cursor is located is deleted. What's wrong? I cannot find any Config about this. Yontaek From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 4 17:46:39 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06007; Mon, 4 Dec 95 17:46:39 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05860; Mon, 4 Dec 95 17:39:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shivams.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05854; Mon, 4 Dec 95 17:39:28 -0800 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05625; Mon, 4 Dec 95 17:39:20 -0800 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 17:39:19 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: Yontaek Choi Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Delete all In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Organization: University of Washington; Office of Computing & Communications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII You are missing one "a" for the "apply" command, so you need: ;aad (In the absence of Apply, commands affect just the current msg.) -teg On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, Yontaek Choi wrote: > I am trying to delete all the messages (more than 1,000) in a folder at a > time. I typed ";" for select, "a" for all, and "d" for delete. But, > instead of all messages, just one where the cursor is located is > deleted. What's wrong? I cannot find any Config about this. > > Yontaek > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 4 20:54:28 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10799; Mon, 4 Dec 95 20:54:28 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09830; Mon, 4 Dec 95 20:47:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09824; Mon, 4 Dec 95 20:47:12 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tMpG2-00038DC; Mon, 4 Dec 95 20:45 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bhunt@brians.umd.edu (Brian R. Hunt) Subject: Re: Manipulating .addressbook, help requested Date: 5 Dec 95 02:06:49 GMT Message-Id: References: <49l4d5$961@linda.teleport.com> vik@teleport.com (Vikram Lall) writes: >I am writing a shell script to add entries to aliases >in the .addressbook file, but before I start, I wanted to >run some things by you experts! I'm no expert, but I've done some experimenting and am also interested in any better suggestions, here is what I've learned. >1. Will pine be okay with the .addressbook being written to? Yes. >2. Has this been done before, and do any scripts exist for > this sort of thing? Simple aliases are stored one to a line in the format nicknameName, Fulladdress where denotes a control-I, it should not be hard to write a script to add such lines. What I am more interested in is maintaining distribution lists in a one-address-per-line format. I find I can do so if I edit the addressbook outside of Pine and construct each list like so: listnameName of List(nobody, address1, address2, address3, ) with exactly 3 spaces at the start of every line but the first. Then I must be very careful not to do anything to cause Pine to rewrite the addressbook itself, for instance by keeping my lists in a separate addressbook, and turning off sorting of addressbook entries (either that or make sure not to enter a new list which is out of alphabetical order). Of course if I am missing a simpler solution I would like to know... -- Brian R. Hunt bhunt@ipst.umd.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 4 21:07:27 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11151; Mon, 4 Dec 95 21:07:27 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09312; Mon, 4 Dec 95 21:02:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09306; Mon, 4 Dec 95 21:02:13 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tMpUF-00038DC; Mon, 4 Dec 95 21:00 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: grendel@netaxs.com (Michael Handler) Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 4 Dec 1995 02:58:36 GMT Message-Id: <49to4s$l52@netaxs.com> References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> In article <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk>, Lloyd Wood (L.Wood@surrey.ac.uk) wrote: > Posting private email is bad form on usenet, yet pine encourages you > to do it. I am severely peeved. I can't believe that a program as > mature as pine is can have this goddam awful behaviour. Mark Crispin and the PINE team: here is _yet_another_ example of how PINE's misinterpretation of the Newsgroups: header in a _private_ email message has caused someone great harm and chagrin. How much longer can you continue to insist that this behavior should not be changed? In the meantime, I'd like to propose a new verb. pine, v. [1] To _accidentally_ post a response to a correspondent's _private_ email to Usenet, especially due to an exceptionally stupid behavior in a mail reader. [2] To have a response to your private email posted to Usenet, as per definition 1. The similarity of the effects of the actions this word describes, to being hit on the head with an actual pine cone, is intended. Usage: * "Oh, man! David just _pined_ me again!" * "Laura's not talking to me any more, after I _pined_ her mail about her fantasies back to alt.sex.spanking." * "AAAAAUGH! I _pined_ my message where I said what I really thought about my boss to our internal newsgroups! I'm going to go hunt down Mark Crispin and beat him with a rubber hose!" > So how do I hack the source to change this awful and dangerous behaviour? Alan Jaffray provided this patch a while back. I haven't had a chance to hack it into the PINE at netaxs.com, so I'm not 100% sure if it will work, but I trust Alan. Needless to say, I've started editing out the Newsgroups: header on anyone I email now... I'm starting an archive of patches to PINE to fix this problem. If you have any others, please mail them to me. I'll make them available via FTP and WWW. =====CUT HERE===== *** pine3.91/pine/reply.c Thu Oct 6 17:14:17 1994 --- pine3.91/pine/reply_sane.c Tue Mar 21 01:06:14 1995 *************** *** 208,220 **** } /* ! * If we haven't asked before, and we're replying to one ! * messsage (an agg reply in a non-news folder may not have ! * newsgroups in all the members or even different news groups) ! * or an agg reply in a news folder, and the envelope has a ! * newsgroup, ask if the user is posting a follow-up article. */ ! if(!ret && (totalm == 1L || IS_NEWS(pine_state->mail_stream)) && env->newsgroups && env->newsgroups[0] && (ret = want_to(NEWS_PMT, 'n', 'x', NO_HELP, 0, 0)) == 'y'){ /*========= Follow up to a news group ============*/ --- 208,218 ---- } /* ! * If we haven't asked before, and we're replying to a message ! * in a news folder, and the envelope has a newsgroup, ask if ! * the user is posting a follow-up article. */ ! if(!ret && IS_NEWS(pine_state->mail_stream) && env->newsgroups && env->newsgroups[0] && (ret = want_to(NEWS_PMT, 'n', 'x', NO_HELP, 0, 0)) == 'y'){ /*========= Follow up to a news group ============*/ =====CUT HERE===== -- Michael Handler Philadelphia, PA sweet and low From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 4 21:30:17 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11748; Mon, 4 Dec 95 21:30:17 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10487; Mon, 4 Dec 95 21:27:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10481; Mon, 4 Dec 95 21:27:17 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tMpqN-00038DC; Mon, 4 Dec 95 21:23 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: Dummy needs a ".wastebasket" file Date: 4 Dec 1995 19:38:16 -0800 Message-Id: <4a0er8$kuq@shellx.best.com> References: <4a00rg$vge@news1.mpcs.com> hgoldste@bbs.mpcs.com (Howard Goldstein) writes: >It's happened so many times, I'll delete a message and discover later I >need it back. Does anyone have a patch for 3.91 to install one? I also would love it if all my "deleted" messages were stored in a file named something like trash. Yes, I know that I could save them to "trash" but I'd like to just use the D key. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks, Nancy [posted and mailed] -- <*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*< @..@ Nancy McGough /\_/\ (----) Infinite Ink ( o.o ) ( >__< ) http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ > ~ < From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 4 23:09:09 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13778; Mon, 4 Dec 95 23:09:09 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11457; Mon, 4 Dec 95 23:03:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from UX1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11451; Mon, 4 Dec 95 23:03:06 -0800 Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 02:02:30 -0500 (EST) From: Henry Robertson To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: help me stop the $#@!ing mail!!!! Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This brainless robot can't understand unsubscribe!!!! Please take robohen@cs.cmu.edu off the list!!!!!!!! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 5 01:08:40 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15772; Tue, 5 Dec 95 01:08:40 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13575; Tue, 5 Dec 95 00:56:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from bass.com.my by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13569; Tue, 5 Dec 95 00:55:54 -0800 Received: from bass.bass.com.my (gw.bass.com.my) by bass.com.my with SMTP id AA16543 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 5 Dec 1995 16:56:44 +0800 Received: by bass.bass.com.my (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16484; Tue, 5 Dec 95 16:53:54 MYT Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 16:48:59 +0800 (MYT) From: Jesvinder Singh Subject: Enquiry on Other mail groups To: Pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I would like to enquire if anyone knows of other mail groups besides Majordomo. My e-mail address is jesvinder@bass.com.my Thanks From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 5 01:56:47 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16686; Tue, 5 Dec 95 01:56:47 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14272; Tue, 5 Dec 95 01:47:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from bass.com.my by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14266; Tue, 5 Dec 95 01:47:18 -0800 Received: from bass.bass.com.my (gw.bass.com.my) by bass.com.my with SMTP id AA17143 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 5 Dec 1995 17:48:13 +0800 Received: by bass.bass.com.my (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18819; Tue, 5 Dec 95 17:45:18 MYT Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 17:44:46 +0800 (MYT) From: Jesvinder Singh Subject: Enquiry on Other mail groups (fwd) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 16:48:59 +0800 (MYT) From: Jesvinder Singh To: Pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Enquiry on Other mail groups I would like to enquire if anyone knows of other mail groups besides Majordomo. My e-mail address is jesvinder@bass.com.my Thanks From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 5 02:26:02 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17088; Tue, 5 Dec 95 02:26:02 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13931; Tue, 5 Dec 95 02:02:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13925; Tue, 5 Dec 95 02:02:52 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tMuB2-00038DC; Tue, 5 Dec 95 02:00 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 5 Dec 1995 00:52:08 GMT Message-Id: <4a053o$9mh@news.orst.edu> References: In article , Terry Gray wrote: > >On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, Lloyd Wood wrote: >> That behaviour is most certainly not ill-advised. (The newsreader in >> question was rn, by which all other newsreaders are judged and many >> are found lacking.) > >The newsgroups header is the RFC-defined way to specify which newsgroups a >message should be posted to. You might want to step back a moment and note that the RFC which defines "newsgroups" as a header applies only to news, and not to mail. In mail, "newsgroups:" is undefined. >The concept of which newsgroups a message thread originated in is an >entirely different one, and using the same header for both is "at best, >ill-advised", rn apologists notwithstanding. Using the Newsgroups header for ANYTHING in mail is, "at best, ill-advised". Putting it in is no worse than, an probably not as bad as, assuming that it means something that it doesn't. >Like I said, I don't want to see another extended and pointless argument >about this, so I'll stop now, and we can agree to disagree. Since Pine >3.92 will include a work-around for the rn behavior, the issue is moot. I am glad to see the pine team accepting that it is a problem and doing something about it. I hope they will be quick to support and adopt the proposed RFC which does clear up this mess. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 5 03:24:07 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17928; Tue, 5 Dec 95 03:24:07 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14861; Tue, 5 Dec 95 03:13:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14849; Tue, 5 Dec 95 03:13:02 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tMvIc-00038EC; Tue, 5 Dec 95 03:12 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hgoldste@bbs.mpcs.com (Howard Goldstein) Subject: Dummy needs a ".wastebasket" file Date: 4 Dec 1995 23:39:28 GMT Message-Id: <4a00rg$vge@news1.mpcs.com> It's happened so many times, I'll delete a message and discover later I need it back. Does anyone have a patch for 3.91 to install one? -- Howard Goldstein http://www.tapr.org/~n2wx/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 5 03:29:57 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18026; Tue, 5 Dec 95 03:29:57 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15321; Tue, 5 Dec 95 03:13:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15315; Tue, 5 Dec 95 03:13:04 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tMvIc-00038HC; Tue, 5 Dec 95 03:12 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ag786@yfn.ysu.edu (Barry Bouwsma) Subject: Re: USENET via Pine 3.91... Date: 4 Dec 1995 23:42:41 GMT Message-Id: <4a011h$geg@news.ysu.edu> References: In a previous article, jkm7670@hertz.njit.edu (Jim McConnell) says: >public access NNTP server. There ain't no such thing. Nearly all NNTP servers only permit access to hosts within their own domain. >nntp-server=gaia.ucs.orst.edu >news-collections=*[] Leave the second entry empty, so long as the first is defined. >news-collections=*{gaia.ucs.orst.edu/nntp}[] we get an error saying we >are not allowed to access this site. Do we have to be put on a list to >access this site The message you are seeing is what you will see if you telnet to port 119 (the NNTP port) on the server: 502 You are not in my access file. Goodbye. Yes, if you need to read from this site, you have to be added to the list. Unless you have some agreement with this site, do not expect it to happen. See if you can find a local service provider to give you news service from their news server. -- Barry Bouwsma, Mendel University Brno, Czech Republic -- I Still Have No Life Flash! Seeking work with computers over winter in Czech or Slovak Republic... (or Austria, Switzerland, Germany...) send offers to This sig is five lines long. Check your newsreader configuration if you do not From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 5 03:34:53 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18135; Tue, 5 Dec 95 03:34:53 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14855; Tue, 5 Dec 95 03:13:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from dekalb.vf.mmc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14845; Tue, 5 Dec 95 03:13:00 -0800 Received: from franklin.vf.mmc.com (franklin.VF.GE.COM [166.17.5.51]) by dekalb.vf.mmc.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id GAA10121; Tue, 5 Dec 1995 06:12:50 -0500 Received: from mmpcs1.psf.ge.com (mmpcs1.PSF.GE.COM [166.16.124.4]) by franklin.vf.mmc.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id GAA11037; Tue, 5 Dec 1995 06:12:39 -0500 Received: by mmpcs1.psf.ge.com (4.1/MMC Sun server N-3.4) id AA24300; Tue, 5 Dec 95 06:11:20 EST Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 06:11:19 -0500 (EST) From: Don Sugarman To: Yontaek Choi Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Delete all In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, Yontaek Choi wrote: > I am trying to delete all the messages (more than 1,000) in a folder at a > time. I typed 1) ";" for select, 2) "a" for all, 3) "a" for apply to selected messages <---- You left out this step. 4) and "d" for delete. Don Sugarman sugarman@mmpcs1.psf.ge.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 5 04:32:40 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19509; Tue, 5 Dec 95 04:32:40 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15584; Tue, 5 Dec 95 04:03:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15575; Tue, 5 Dec 95 04:03:07 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tMw2D-00038DC; Tue, 5 Dec 95 03:59 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 22:59:24 -0800 Message-Id: References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> <49to4s$l52@netaxs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <49to4s$l52@netaxs.com> Michael Handler: Before you post any further personal attacks on individuals, you would be well-advised to ensure that your attacks are directed at the right individual. I did not write the reply code in Pine. Most vendors do not read or respond to USENET postings in the newsgroup dedicated to their product. The staff members that once did so got tired of being the brunt of personal attacks. The attacks were often for no reason other than they took the time to respond and explain things, and thus became visible targets. If the readers of comp.mail.pine would rather have silence than risk getting an answer that they don't want to hear, I'll be happy to unsubscribe and no longer answer questions. But before I leave: that patch will disable follow-ups if you save a news message to a folder for later reference and then access that folder. Some people do that, particularly if they want to compose a follow-up offline. So be sure to tell them that you are breaking it before you install that patch. On 4 Dec 1995, Michael Handler wrote: > In article <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk>, > Lloyd Wood (L.Wood@surrey.ac.uk) wrote: > > Posting private email is bad form on usenet, yet pine encourages you > > to do it. I am severely peeved. I can't believe that a program as > > mature as pine is can have this goddam awful behaviour. > > Mark Crispin and the PINE team: here is _yet_another_ example of how > PINE's misinterpretation of the Newsgroups: header in a _private_ > email message has caused someone great harm and chagrin. How much > longer can you continue to insist that this behavior should not be > changed? > > In the meantime, I'd like to propose a new verb. > > pine, v. [1] To _accidentally_ post a response to a correspondent's > _private_ email to Usenet, especially due to an exceptionally stupid > behavior in a mail reader. [2] To have a response to your private > email posted to Usenet, as per definition 1. > > The similarity of the effects of the actions this word describes, to > being hit on the head with an actual pine cone, is intended. > > Usage: > * "Oh, man! David just _pined_ me again!" > * "Laura's not talking to me any more, after I _pined_ her mail about > her fantasies back to alt.sex.spanking." > * "AAAAAUGH! I _pined_ my message where I said what I really thought > about my boss to our internal newsgroups! I'm going to go hunt down > Mark Crispin and beat him with a rubber hose!" > > > So how do I hack the source to change this awful and dangerous behaviour? > > Alan Jaffray provided this patch a while back. I > haven't had a chance to hack it into the PINE at netaxs.com, so I'm > not 100% sure if it will work, but I trust Alan. > > Needless to say, I've started editing out the Newsgroups: header on > anyone I email now... > > I'm starting an archive of patches to PINE to fix this problem. If you > have any others, please mail them to me. I'll make them available via > FTP and WWW. > > =====CUT HERE===== > *** pine3.91/pine/reply.c Thu Oct 6 17:14:17 1994 > --- pine3.91/pine/reply_sane.c Tue Mar 21 01:06:14 1995 > *************** > *** 208,220 **** > } > > /* > ! * If we haven't asked before, and we're replying to one > ! * messsage (an agg reply in a non-news folder may not have > ! * newsgroups in all the members or even different news > groups) > ! * or an agg reply in a news folder, and the envelope has a > ! * newsgroup, ask if the user is posting a follow-up article. > */ > ! if(!ret && (totalm == 1L || IS_NEWS(pine_state->mail_stream)) > && env->newsgroups && env->newsgroups[0] > && (ret = want_to(NEWS_PMT, 'n', 'x', NO_HELP, 0, 0)) == 'y'){ > /*========= Follow up to a news group ============*/ > --- 208,218 ---- > } > > /* > ! * If we haven't asked before, and we're replying to a message > ! * in a news folder, and the envelope has a newsgroup, ask if > ! * the user is posting a follow-up article. > */ > ! if(!ret && IS_NEWS(pine_state->mail_stream) > && env->newsgroups && env->newsgroups[0] > && (ret = want_to(NEWS_PMT, 'n', 'x', NO_HELP, 0, 0)) == 'y'){ > /*========= Follow up to a news group ============*/ > =====CUT HERE===== > > -- > Michael Handler Philadelphia, PA > > > sweet and low > > -- Mark -- DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 5 06:04:44 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20914; Tue, 5 Dec 95 06:04:44 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17632; Tue, 5 Dec 95 05:53:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17626; Tue, 5 Dec 95 05:53:20 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tMxmf-00038DC; Tue, 5 Dec 95 05:51 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: be81867@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu (Abhishek Chandan) Subject: Re: USENET via Pine 3.91... Date: 4 Dec 1995 23:54:08 GMT Message-Id: <4a01n0$ebo@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu> References: I am facing the same problem. Abhishek Jim McConnell (jkm7670@hertz.njit.edu) wrote: : Recently, I was asked to help setup someone's news through Pine 3.91. : Unfortunatley, he has no direct newsfeed, so he is trying to access a : public access NNTP server. This is what we have in .pinerc: : nntp-server=gaia.ucs.orst.edu : ... : news-collections=*[] : This gives a list of newsgroups, but they are unreadable. When : news-collections=*{gaia.ucs.orst.edu/nntp}[] we get an error saying we : are not allowed to access this site. Do we have to be put on a list to : access this site, or do we have the setup in pine incorrect? If the : setup is correct, and we don't need special permission to use the site as : a newsfeed, what is wrong? I seriously think that we need permission to : access the site as a feed, but my mail there has gone unanswered. Help! : Jim McConnell jkm7670@hertz.njit.edu : ============================================================================= : "The grass ain't greener, The wine ain't sweeter, Either side of the hill..." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 5 08:14:13 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24000; Tue, 5 Dec 95 08:14:13 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19447; Tue, 5 Dec 95 08:03:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19441; Tue, 5 Dec 95 08:03:35 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tMznb-00038DC; Tue, 5 Dec 95 08:00 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: phillip@prysm.com Subject: Re: Where can I get Pine? Date: Mon, 04 Dec 95 03:26:31 CDT Message-Id: References: <1995Nov30.133827@cantva> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Where can I get a copy of Pine to run on an AlphaStation running OSF/1. > Is it free? Are there any ftp sites holding this? Thanks in advance > Brandon Hutchison,University of Canterbury,Christchurch > New Zealand The main ftp site for it which is where it came from is ftp.cac.washington.edu, then go to the the /mail directory. This is the University of Washington in Seattle, Washington i.e. in the state of Washington. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 5 08:48:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25434; Tue, 5 Dec 95 08:48:12 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20488; Tue, 5 Dec 95 08:23:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20478; Tue, 5 Dec 95 08:23:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tN05u-00038DC; Tue, 5 Dec 95 08:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mike Jagdis Subject: Re: Piping to Zmodem Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 09:43:37 GMT Message-Id: References: >I tried piping directly to the 'sz' command, >but it was not happy. Has anyone figured out a way to download a single >message directly from the viewer without having to go through an external >file first? The versions of sz I have don't handle piped data either. But you can do it with a little script: #!/bin/sh umask 066 trap "rm -f /tmp/$$junk" 0 cat > /tmp/$$junk sz /tmp/$$junk Call it send or zap or download or whatever. You might prefer to create a temporary directory and use a more meaningful filename in it since Zmodem will propogate the filename to your local machine. Mike -- Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Voice: +44 1734 890403 Fax: +44 1734 891192 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 5 09:07:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26706; Tue, 5 Dec 95 09:07:20 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20929; Tue, 5 Dec 95 08:58:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20923; Tue, 5 Dec 95 08:58:41 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tN0fj-00038DC; Tue, 5 Dec 95 08:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 5 Dec 1995 13:17:59 GMT Message-Id: <4a1gq7$i1q@hustle.rahul.net> References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> <49to4s$l52@netaxs.com> In <49to4s$l52@netaxs.com> grendel@netaxs.com (Michael Handler) writes: >pine, v. [1] To _accidentally_ post a response to a correspondent's >_private_ email to Usenet, especially due to an exceptionally stupid >behavior in a mail reader. [2] To have a response to your private >email posted to Usenet, as per definition 1. And I would like to add a new meaning to the word 'oPine'. oPine, v. To express an opinion in a commanding tone. E.g.: "please ignore Dhesi" he oPined. -- Rahul Dhesi "please ignore Dhesi" -- Mark Crispin From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 5 09:32:36 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27964; Tue, 5 Dec 95 09:32:36 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22143; Tue, 5 Dec 95 09:11:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rcummins.ppp.cyberenet.net by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22137; Tue, 5 Dec 95 09:11:51 -0800 Received: (from rcummins@localhost) by burlco-00.burlco.cyberenet.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id MAA02609; Tue, 5 Dec 1995 12:11:45 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 12:11:45 -0500 (EST) From: Ray Cummins To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Compiling PC-Pine Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII How does one compile PC-Pine? I see a makefile (makefile.msc) that comes with pine-3.91.tar.Z, which wants to use "nmake" - what package is nmake a part of? Would the same package be used to compile the Winsock version of Pine? I'm familiar with compiling programs under Unix, but not DOS, so if someone could give me a kick in the right direction, I'd be grateful. Thanks! /------------------------------------------------------------\ |Ray Cummins, Systems Specialist | Tel: (609) 267-9660 x3032 | |Burlington County Library | Fax: (609) 267-4091 | |5 Pioneer Blvd. | | |Westampton, NJ 08060 | rcummins@burlco.lib.nj.us | \------------------------------------------------------------/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 5 10:37:55 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01122; Tue, 5 Dec 95 10:37:55 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24284; Tue, 5 Dec 95 10:28:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24278; Tue, 5 Dec 95 10:28:52 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tN22u-00038DC; Tue, 5 Dec 95 10:24 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Miikka Kokkonen Subject: Organization while posting articles to newsgroups Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 10:44:27 +0200 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have a problem wtih organization name while posting articles to newsgroups Like you see there is said that my organization is Clinet, which is the news server which I am using, but is not the correct one (tit.fi) How to change this? I have tried setting ORGANIZATION variable to environment, but nothing changes If you can please reply by email Miikka Kokkonen, eemiko@tit.fi From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 5 12:48:22 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07225; Tue, 5 Dec 95 12:48:22 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27125; Tue, 5 Dec 95 12:39:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27119; Tue, 5 Dec 95 12:39:09 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tN48e-00038DC; Tue, 5 Dec 95 12:38 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: scglowic@alpha.delta.edu (Scott Charles Glowicki) Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 5 Dec 1995 14:53:34 -0500 Message-Id: <4a27vu$piv@alpha.delta.edu> References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> Lloyd Wood (L.Wood@surrey.ac.uk) wrote: *SNIP* *SNIP* *SNIP* *SNIP* *SNIP* *SNIP* *SNIP* *SNIP* *SNIP* : Posting private email is bad form on usenet, yet pine encourages you : to do it. I am severely peeved. I can't believe that a program as : mature as pine is can have this goddam awful behaviour. : : So how do I hack the source to change this awful and dangerous behaviour? Why not try answering 'no' to the question...that way it will only be e-mailed directly to the person and not to the person and the newsgroup! scott -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = Scott C. Glowicki scglowic@alpha.delta.edu = = CIS Major Delta College http://www.delta.edu/~scglowic = = University Center, Michigan "Helloooooooooooooooooooooooo Nurse!" = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 5 15:24:59 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13611; Tue, 5 Dec 95 15:24:59 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01672; Tue, 5 Dec 95 14:44:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01661; Tue, 5 Dec 95 14:44:24 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tN63d-00038DC; Tue, 5 Dec 95 14:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ray@longhair.plaza.nt.com (Ray Marshall) Subject: Re: how do I make a signature file? Date: 5 Dec 1995 21:18:14 GMT Message-Id: <4a2cum$kir@nrtphba6.bnr.ca> References: Jason L. Read (s97i@unb.ca) wrote: : I've tried everything, but I just can't find a way to create my signature : file; any help would be appreciated. A signature file is just a flat text file that gets either appended or prepended to your out-going mail message. -- Start by going into pine, and enter SETUP (Config task). You will find an entry labeled "signature-file". Use the "?" command to get instruc- tions, and "E" to exit this help. Make your decisions, and take actions appropriate to those decisions. HELPFUL NOTE: You can use the "W" command and search for "sig" to quickly get to the options you need. -- Then go back to the shell prompt, and by using a text editor (vi, emacs, or whatever you have available), create what you want it to say. PLEASE, oh PLEASE, keep it short! 2 or 3 lines, MAYBE 4. Now you're ready to go. The next message you send out will have your signature file in it. Have fun / Ray From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 5 15:39:11 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14679; Tue, 5 Dec 95 15:39:11 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01270; Tue, 5 Dec 95 15:04:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01264; Tue, 5 Dec 95 15:04:27 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tN6N6-00038DC; Tue, 5 Dec 95 15:02 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ray@longhair.plaza.nt.com (Ray Marshall) Subject: Re: Frequently Asked Question List Date: 5 Dec 1995 18:43:40 GMT Message-Id: <4a23ss$5pc@nrtphba6.bnr.ca> References: Anhar Arshat (anhar@talabah.iiu.my) wrote: : Kindly sent me the faq list for my reference. If you have WWW access, you can find it at: http://www.washington.edu:1180/pine/faq/index.html You might also find the Pine Information Center: http://www.washington.edu:1180/pine/index.html / Ray From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 5 17:40:00 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19726; Tue, 5 Dec 95 17:40:00 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06346; Tue, 5 Dec 95 17:34:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06340; Tue, 5 Dec 95 17:34:46 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tN8iF-00038DC; Tue, 5 Dec 95 17:31 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jgvd@guava.epix.net (Jonathan and DearOldDad) Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 5 Dec 1995 08:02:30 GMT Message-Id: <4a0uam$7qd@guava.epix.net> References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> Terry Gray (gray@cac.washington.edu) wrote: : In a probably futile endeavor to foreshorten yet another protracted and : pointless flame-fest on this topic, here are a few facts: : o The root of the problem is that *some* news-reading programs put a : Newsgroups header into *email* messages that they send via SMTP, : which were *not* also posted via NNTP. : o In order to accommodate the behavior of these newsreaders (which we : feel is at *best* ill-advised), Pine 3.92 will ignore Newsgroups : headers when deciding whether to give you the CHOICE of posting, unless : there is also a PATH header. Yo! Terry ... geeezzz ... don't change an otherwise great program just because a few people don't know how to use it, or because some server sold them some other mailer or newsreader ... : o In the meantime, you can tell procmail to delete such newsgroup headers : in incoming email messages. Uuhhhmmm ... duhhhh ... hello, most don't know what a procmail is, but many of us do occasionally rtfm on pine's stuff and know how to use pine as an e-mail program, and so what he hell, it's not the best newsreader in the world but PLEASE (or should I have said *please*) don't mess around with the best e-mail program to 'try to accomodate' the behavior of other newsreaders. Only my 895 cents worth (plus tax). Remember pine is not elm, and pine is not tin, and pine is not gates, and pine is not netscape, and pine is not whatever, add your own ending, but what PINE is, is the best email program ever, and thanx to y'all at at washington.edu I hope you will not lose sight of that fact. G'Day. Flames are welcome, better yet send firewood, it's cold here. ;-) /\ /~\/\/\ /\ /\ /\ |>> John (aka DearOldDad) /\ \/\/ / / \/\/ \/\/\/ \/ \/\|Fore! Pocono Mtns PA USA EARTH/__\/_/__/_/___/email_jgvd@epix.net_|_____ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 5 17:40:18 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19776; Tue, 5 Dec 95 17:40:18 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05412; Tue, 5 Dec 95 17:34:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05406; Tue, 5 Dec 95 17:34:47 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tN8iF-00038EC; Tue, 5 Dec 95 17:31 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 5 Dec 1995 07:49:21 GMT Message-Id: <4a0ti1$q4k@hustle.rahul.net> References: In gray@cac.washington.edu (Terry Gray) writes: >The newsgroups header is the RFC-defined way to specify which newsgroups a >message should be posted to. News vs email confusion. There is no RFC-defined way to specify to which newsgroups email should be posted. >Like I said, I don't want to see another extended and pointless argument >about this, so I'll stop now, and we can agree to disagree. The trouble is that there is not only disagreement about how things 'should' be, but about how they actually are. Example: Your comment about RFCs, which would lead readers into believing that there is some RFC that requires that email with a Newsgroups header should be posted to Usenet. It's ok to agree-to-disagree about things that are a matter of opinion, but it makes no sense to agree-to-disagree about simple matters of fact, such as 'there is no such RFC'. -- Rahul Dhesi "please ignore Dhesi" -- Mark Crispin From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 5 19:44:34 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22923; Tue, 5 Dec 95 19:44:34 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08828; Tue, 5 Dec 95 19:35:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08822; Tue, 5 Dec 95 19:35:01 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNAco-00038DC; Tue, 5 Dec 95 19:34 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ray@longhair.plaza.nt.com (Ray Marshall) Subject: Re: request for information Date: 5 Dec 1995 16:23:54 GMT Message-Id: <4a1rmq$5pc@nrtphba6.bnr.ca> References: RTFOLD (Read The Fine On Line Documentation) Use "?" to get help on any (non-help) portion of the product. Also pay attention to the 2 bottom lines of your window, where the currently available commands are shown. Please note that if not all of these command fit on those two lines, the "O" command will show you more. In addition, these commands are case insensitive. There is also a man page that your sysadmin may have installed for you, but that's a local issue. Information on the WWW If you have questions that can't be answered as suggested above, then try URL="http://www.washington.edu:1180/pine/". On this web page there are several useful documents, including "Getting Started With Pine", FAQ, and a fine "Pine User's Guide". News group You will also find interesting tidbits in this news group (comp.mail.pine) -- without even posting to it! (You may have already discovered this.) Last resort! Please exhaust all of the above resources before contacting the fine folks at the University of Washington. Let's let them do their own work with as little interruption as possible from us. The less of their time we use, the sooner the next version gets released. Enjoy / Ray From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 5 20:27:03 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24240; Tue, 5 Dec 95 20:27:03 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08583; Tue, 5 Dec 95 20:14:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shivams.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08577; Tue, 5 Dec 95 20:14:50 -0800 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23788; Tue, 5 Dec 95 20:14:47 -0800 Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 20:14:46 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: Rahul Dhesi Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy In-Reply-To: <4a0ti1$q4k@hustle.rahul.net> Message-Id: Organization: University of Washington; Office of Computing & Communications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Rahul, Thanks to both you and John S. for pointing out to me that the Newsgroups header is defined in the news RFCs, not the email RFCs... but since I've been involved in Arpanet/Internet messaging for over 20 years now, I think I knew that already. Now see if you can think of a model in which the *news* RFCs might be relevant to a tool that was about to send a message out *somewhere* and ALL it had available for deciding *where* and WHICH PROTOCOL(S) to use, were the headers in the message it was given. Over and out... -teg On 5 Dec 1995, Rahul Dhesi wrote: > In gray@cac.washington.edu (Terry Gray) writes: > > >The newsgroups header is the RFC-defined way to specify which newsgroups a > >message should be posted to. > > News vs email confusion. > > There is no RFC-defined way to specify to which newsgroups email should > be posted. > > >Like I said, I don't want to see another extended and pointless argument > >about this, so I'll stop now, and we can agree to disagree. > > The trouble is that there is not only disagreement about how things > 'should' be, but about how they actually are. Example: Your comment > about RFCs, which would lead readers into believing that there is some > RFC that requires that email with a Newsgroups header should be posted > to Usenet. > > It's ok to agree-to-disagree about things that are a matter of opinion, > but it makes no sense to agree-to-disagree about simple matters of > fact, such as 'there is no such RFC'. > -- > Rahul Dhesi > "please ignore Dhesi" -- Mark Crispin > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 5 21:44:33 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26106; Tue, 5 Dec 95 21:44:33 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11168; Tue, 5 Dec 95 21:35:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11162; Tue, 5 Dec 95 21:35:20 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNCS3-00038HC; Tue, 5 Dec 95 21:31 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Frederic Udina Subject: Re: import into pine ??? Date: Wed, 06 Dec 1995 03:40:45 +0100 Message-Id: <30C502AD.512A@upf.es> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I use ^R to 'r'ead a file into the pine editor, is that what you want? -- Frederic Udina _______________________________________________________________________ | voice: 34 - 3 - 542 17 56 Facultat de Ciencies Economiques | fax: 34 - 3 - 542 17 46 Universitat Pompeu Fabra | e-mail: udina@upf.es Balmes 132 | appleLink: spa0172 08008 Barcelona | Compuserve: 100555.603 SPAIN | W W Web: http://libiya.upf.es/ ___________________________________/_\_________________________________ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 5 21:44:53 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26133; Tue, 5 Dec 95 21:44:53 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10184; Tue, 5 Dec 95 21:35:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10178; Tue, 5 Dec 95 21:35:18 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNCRr-00038EC; Tue, 5 Dec 95 21:31 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Frederic Udina Subject: Re: import into pine ??? Date: Wed, 06 Dec 1995 03:40:21 +0100 Message-Id: <30C50295.C90@upf.es> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I use ^R to 'r'ead a file into the pine editor, is that what you want? -- Frederic Udina _______________________________________________________________________ | voice: 34 - 3 - 542 17 56 Facultat de Ciencies Economiques | fax: 34 - 3 - 542 17 46 Universitat Pompeu Fabra | e-mail: udina@upf.es Balmes 132 | appleLink: spa0172 08008 Barcelona | Compuserve: 100555.603 SPAIN | W W Web: http://libiya.upf.es/ ___________________________________/_\_________________________________ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 00:29:53 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29025; Wed, 6 Dec 95 00:29:53 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13883; Wed, 6 Dec 95 00:25:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13877; Wed, 6 Dec 95 00:25:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNF7q-00038DC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 00:22 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gostin@blue.crayola.cse.psu.edu (Jeffrey S Gostin) Subject: Pine, Procmail, and INBOX Date: 5 Dec 1995 14:29:19 GMT Message-Id: <4a1kvv$bru@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Hi! Just a quick question concerning integrating Procmail and Pine. If I have incoming mail procmail'd into three or four folders , would I tell pine that folder[1-4] were incoming folders? If not, how would I go about doing it so that pine could tell me which folders have new mail, and which ones don't? Thanks, in advance. :-) --Jeff -- ======== ======== "Information Superhighway" does for Internet == == what C.H.I.P.'s did for Cops. == == -= Destroy Ignorance -- Seek Higher Understanding ===== ======== Ask me for my PGP key. Privacy is your friend. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 00:31:26 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29082; Wed, 6 Dec 95 00:31:26 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12455; Wed, 6 Dec 95 00:15:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12449; Wed, 6 Dec 95 00:15:40 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNEzq-00038HC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 00:14 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Jason L. Read" Subject: how do I make a signature file? Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 13:07:25 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've tried everything, but I just can't find a way to create my signature file; any help would be appreciated. TIA - Jason From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 00:55:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29602; Wed, 6 Dec 95 00:55:20 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14246; Wed, 6 Dec 95 00:48:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ra.isisnet.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14240; Wed, 6 Dec 95 00:48:42 -0800 Received: from ccn.cs.dal.ca by ra.isisnet.com (8.6.9/SMI-SVR4) id EAA15129; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 04:47:50 -0400 Received: by ccn.cs.dal.ca id <338>; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 04:50:37 -0400 Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 01:39:07 -0400 From: "Marsha C. Holmes" To: Ray Marshall Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: how do I make a signature file? In-Reply-To: <4a2cum$kir@nrtphba6.bnr.ca> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi I created my Signature file in Lynx, in my files area. That is just another option... Marsha Holmes =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=* Marsha C. Holmes |\ __ /.| (`\ ac573@ccn.cs.dal.ca _ .| o o |_ ) ) ----------------------(((---(((------------- Homepage: http://www.ccn.cs.dal.ca/~ac573/Profile.html =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=* On Tue, 5 Dec 1995, Ray Marshall wrote: > Jason L. Read (s97i@unb.ca) wrote: > : I've tried everything, but I just can't find a way to create my signature > : file; any help would be appreciated. > > A signature file is just a flat text file that gets either appended or > prepended to your out-going mail message. > > -- Start by going into pine, and enter SETUP (Config task). You will find > an entry labeled "signature-file". Use the "?" command to get instruc- > tions, and "E" to exit this help. Make your decisions, and take > actions appropriate to those decisions. > > HELPFUL NOTE: You can use the "W" command and search for "sig" to > quickly get to the options you need. > > -- Then go back to the shell prompt, and by using a text editor (vi, > emacs, or whatever you have available), create what you want it to say. > > PLEASE, oh PLEASE, keep it short! 2 or 3 lines, MAYBE 4. > > Now you're ready to go. The next message you send out will have your > signature file in it. > > Have fun / Ray > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 01:12:34 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00272; Wed, 6 Dec 95 01:12:34 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13125; Wed, 6 Dec 95 01:02:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from solair1.inter.NL.net by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13113; Wed, 6 Dec 95 01:02:00 -0800 Received: from solair1.inter.NL.net by solair1.inter.NL.net (5.65b/solair1.Inter.NL.net-1.31) id AA27162; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 10:01:55 +0100 Received: by cans.nl (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA41883; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 09:56:31 +0100 Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 09:56:30 +0100 (NFT) From: Sander de Bruijn Reply-To: Sander.de.Bruijn@cans.nl To: "Jason L. Read" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: how do I make a signature file? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Read-Receipt-To: Sander.de.Bruijn@cans.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 5 Dec 1995, Jason L. Read wrote: > I've tried everything, but I just can't find a way to create my signature > file; any help would be appreciated. > TIA - Jason > > Usually a signature file with UNIX is created by putting a .signature file in your home-directory. This .signature file is automatically read by Pine while composing a message. Be aware of the fact that pine defaults to putting the signature file at the top of your message. Use config to place on the bottom. Sander ==================================================================== Mail sent by: Computer Aided Network Systems B.V. Gebouw "Londen" Sander.de.Bruijn@CANS.NL Burg. 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It's as simple as that! * Serving the Network Community Since 1980 * ------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 01:22:26 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00442; Wed, 6 Dec 95 01:22:26 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13099; Wed, 6 Dec 95 01:00:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13093; Wed, 6 Dec 95 01:00:52 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNFi5-00038EC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 01:00 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: fxars@aurora.alaska.edu (Al Sparks) Subject: Re: cancelling a letter Date: 05 Dec 1995 04:41:27 GMT Message-Id: References: In-Reply-To: DJ JOE's message of Tue, 28 Nov 1995 11:27:10 -0800 >>>>> "DJ" == DJ JOE writes: DJ> Each time i'm using a Mac and compose a letter in PINE i can't DJ> get the control c (^C) command to work. So whenever I have to DJ> cancel a letter I always have a hard time doing so. If i DJ> repeatedly execute the command it ends up ruining my screen DJ> and logs me off. It sounds like you're using NCSA Telnet for the Mac. What is happening is that software is trapping ctrl-c's. To undo that, press APPLE-S and remover all the special control characters when the panel comes up. === Al From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 01:40:50 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01084; Wed, 6 Dec 95 01:40:50 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13517; Wed, 6 Dec 95 01:25:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13511; Wed, 6 Dec 95 01:25:44 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNG2j-00038DC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 01:21 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: fxars@aurora.alaska.edu (Al Sparks) Subject: Re: How do you authorise posting to a newsgroup using Pine Date: 05 Dec 1995 04:39:36 GMT Message-Id: References: In-Reply-To: anil@raj3.tn.cornell.edu's message of 28 Nov 1995 12:02:35 -0800 >>>>> "A" == Anil Pannikkat writes: A> Hi A> I am the su on my local system. I recently set up Pine on my A> machine (A DEC -station running ULTRIX 4.0). And I also have a A> newsserver listed in the conf. file. A> I can read all the newsgroups fine, but I am unable to post to A> a newsgroup. When I try to post, I get a message saying A> Error.. 480 Authentication required... A> What do I need to change or check so that I can post? A> Any info would be welcome. A> Thanks It sounds like the news server isn't accepting your machine. Check and make sure you're in the nameserver. === Al From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 01:45:39 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01158; Wed, 6 Dec 95 01:45:39 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13434; Wed, 6 Dec 95 01:20:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from visla.utia.cas.cz by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13428; Wed, 6 Dec 95 01:19:53 -0800 Received: by visla.utia.cas.cz (16.7/16.2) id AA17304; Wed, 6 Dec 95 10:19:42 +0100 Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 10:19:42 +0100 (MET) From: Vladimir Solnicky =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Vladim=EDr_Solnick=FD?= To: The Pine Discussion List Subject: Q: Meaningful subject for a bug report Message-Id: X-Postal-Address: UTIA AV CR; Pod vodarenskou vezi 4; 182 08 Praha 8-Liben; Czech Republic Acknowledge-To: vs@utia.cas.cz Organization: Institute of Information Theory and Automation (UTIA AV CR) Organizace: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=DAstav_teorie_informace_a_automatizace_(=DATIA)_AV_=C8R?= Transport-Options: /delivery /return Read-Receipt-To: vs@utia.cas.cz X-Chameleon-Receipt-To: vs@utia.cas.cz X-Chameleon-Return-To: vs@utia.cas.cz X-Chameleon-Read-To: vs@utia.cas.cz X-Confirm-Reading-To: vs@utia.cas.cz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Does anybody have any idea what the meanigful subject is? The text below does not seem to be clear enough (to me). Regards, V. S. | | Bc. Vladimir Solnicky (Vladim=EDr Solnick=FD using ISO 8859-1 or 2) | | Institute of Information UTIA AV CR \/ Theory and Automation Pod vodarenskou vezi 4 Department of Computing Systems 182 08 Praha 8-Liben +42 2 6605/2212 fax: +42 2 66414677 Czech Republic +42 2 6605/2364 e-mail: vs@utia.cas.cz ftp.utia.cas.cz http://www.utia.cas.cz/user_data/vs/vs-home.html ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 6 Dec 95 01:11:38 -0800 From: pine-faq@docserver.cac.washington.edu To: Vladimir Solnicky Vladim=EDr Solnick=FD Subject: Re: Bug (ID TV6GY):=20 ******************************************************************* * Please note that due to the large number of reports apparently * * resulting from phone line noise and other "accidental" reports, * * we are now pre-filtering messages that do not have a meaningful * * subject. We apologize if this causes us to miss your report. * ******************************************************************* From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 01:46:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01186; Wed, 6 Dec 95 01:46:25 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15029; Wed, 6 Dec 95 01:40:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15023; Wed, 6 Dec 95 01:40:50 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNGKb-00038IC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 01:40 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 5 Dec 1995 07:41:59 GMT Message-Id: <4a0t47$pqb@hustle.rahul.net> References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> In gray@cac.washington.edu (Terry Gray) writes: > o The root of the problem is that *some* news-reading programs put a > Newsgroups header into *email* messages that they send via SMTP, > which were *not* also posted via NNTP. *Ugh* There they go, blaming everybody else again. -- Rahul Dhesi "please ignore Dhesi" -- Mark Crispin From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 01:49:45 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01263; Wed, 6 Dec 95 01:49:45 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15021; Wed, 6 Dec 95 01:40:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15015; Wed, 6 Dec 95 01:40:46 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNGJ2-00038DC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 01:38 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ray@longhair.plaza.nt.com (Ray Marshall) Subject: Re: Where can I get Pine? Date: 5 Dec 1995 18:52:33 GMT Message-Id: <4a24dh$5pc@nrtphba6.bnr.ca> References: <1995Nov30.133827@cantva> YES, IT IS FREE Via the WWW: A precompiled binary can be fetched from URL: ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/unix-bin-compressed/pine-bin.osf.Z But I recommend that you access Pine's web site, and browse from there: http://www.washington.edu:1180/pine/index.html / Ray From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 01:50:04 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01290; Wed, 6 Dec 95 01:50:04 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13768; Wed, 6 Dec 95 01:40:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13762; Wed, 6 Dec 95 01:40:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNGKa-00038HC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 01:40 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Pierre.Frenkiel@cdf.in2p3.fr (Pierre Frenkiel) Subject: Re: Manipulating .addressbook, help requested Date: 5 Dec 1995 15:23:17 GMT Message-Id: <4a1o55$fdr@ccpnws.in2p3.fr> References: <49l4d5$961@linda.teleport.com> for people interested, I wrote 2 small scripts, ed_alias (58 lines) and pine_to_elm(18 line) here is the ed_alias help: usage: ed_alias [ -? | -h ]\ The program edits your personnal pine alias file (in your .pine directory) which must already exist(if not, create it with pine) Old version is saved in addressbook.bak1 and addressbook.bak1 is saved in addressbook.bak2 Then, addressbook is translated into elm format, and result is written in your elm alias file (in your .elm directory). This step in only performed if you have already a file named aliases.text in this directory) You can then use either pine or elm withe same aliases. Old version is saved in aliases.text.bak Editing is done with the editor whose name is in variable EDITOR, or in variable VISUAL, if EDITOR is undefined. Default is vi. Reminder: the field separator for pine is the TAB character, instead of '=' for elm. This works correctly with pine only if you choose the option 'don't sort' in the pine configuration From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 02:19:27 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02083; Wed, 6 Dec 95 02:19:27 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13935; Wed, 6 Dec 95 01:55:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13929; Wed, 6 Dec 95 01:55:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNGYs-00038DC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 01:54 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 6 Dec 1995 07:12:36 GMT Message-Id: <4a3fp4$p9g@news.orst.edu> References: <4a0ti1$q4k@hustle.rahul.net> In article , Terry Gray wrote: >Now see if you can think of a model in which the *news* RFCs might be >relevant to a tool that was about to send a message out *somewhere* and >ALL it had available for deciding *where* and WHICH PROTOCOL(S) to use, >were the headers in the message it was given. It was not "given" a message. It was told to locate the message in the user's mailbox. It contains "Received-By:" headers. It doesn't contain a Path: header. Gosh, it can't be news, it's missing a mandatory header. It contains mandatory mail headers, and it came from a mailbox, so maybe ... it's MAIL? >Over and out... %SYS-F-PROWORD Illegal use of prowords - contradictory. Now imagine a model where the headers are defined which will identify the transprot a message arrived via, and whether replies should be sent via mail or news or both or neither. Have you joined mailnews-l yet? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 02:23:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02196; Wed, 6 Dec 95 02:23:42 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15374; Wed, 6 Dec 95 02:05:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15368; Wed, 6 Dec 95 02:05:54 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNGgP-00038DC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 02:02 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Piping to Zmodem Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 11:43:06 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sometimes when I read an email, either in my spool inbox or in one of the incoming mail folders set up by procmail, I would like to download it directly to my PC with Zmodem. So far, I have to export it first to an external file and then download that. I am using Pine 3.91 on SunOS 4.1.4 with Unix piping enabled. I tried piping directly to the 'sz' command, but it was not happy. Has anyone figured out a way to download a single message directly from the viewer without having to go through an external file first? Thanks. (P.S. My telecomm software is ProComm Plus v2/DOS.) Paul -------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett P. O. Box 857 Vienna, VA 22183-0857 U.S.A. Finger, keyserver, or WWW for PGP 2.6.2 public key URL: http://www.access.digex.net/~pobart -------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 03:55:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05348; Wed, 6 Dec 95 03:55:12 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15690; Wed, 6 Dec 95 03:41:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15684; Wed, 6 Dec 95 03:41:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNI9S-00038EC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 03:36 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: peter@nmti.com (Peter da Silva) Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 5 Dec 1995 13:53:38 GMT Message-Id: <4a1it2$pp@zuul.nmti.com> References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> <49to4s$l52@netaxs.com> Mark: the reason people beat up on you about the behaviour of Pine is simply because you so aggressively defend it. If you don't want people to identify you with this brokenness, then stop promoting it. It's obvious by now that whether or not you wrote the code you would have written code with the same behaviour. Mark Crispin wrote: > But before I leave: that patch will disable follow-ups if you save a news > message to a folder for later reference and then access that folder. Good. Since PINE doesn't tag messages in folders with their origin, that is the correct behaviour. If you want PINE to be able to handle this case differently, then have it add an extra header for that purpose. X-Pine-Origin: news X-Pine-Origin: mail Courtesy copy emailed. -- Peter da Silva (NIC: PJD2) `-_-' 1601 Industrial Boulevard Bailey Network Management 'U` Sugar Land, TX 77487-5013 +1 713 274 5180 "Har du kramat din varg idag?" USA Bailey pays for my technical expertise. My opinions probably scare them From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 04:44:49 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07072; Wed, 6 Dec 95 04:44:49 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16827; Wed, 6 Dec 95 04:31:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16821; Wed, 6 Dec 95 04:31:07 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNIwC-00038DC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 04:27 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: majordomo@singnet.com.sg Subject: cancel: * Free Newsletter on Passion & Romance * Date: 5 Dec 1995 23:19:14 GMT Message-Id: Control: cancel <4a2k1i$f34@lantana.singnet.com.sg> Spam killing From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 04:48:19 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07292; Wed, 6 Dec 95 04:48:19 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17812; Wed, 6 Dec 95 04:21:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17806; Wed, 6 Dec 95 04:21:05 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNIoW-00038DC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 04:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: Manipulating .addressbook, help requested Date: 6 Dec 95 01:53:38 GMT Message-Id: References: <49l4d5$961@linda.teleport.com> <4a241d$t2h@krant.cs.ruu.nl> edwin@cs.ruu.nl (Edwin Kremer) writes: >In <49l4d5$961@linda.teleport.com> vik@teleport.com (Vikram Lall) writes: > | I am writing a shell script to add entries to aliases > | in the .addressbook file [...] >To simplify the transition from Elm to Pine, I wrote a silly Perl script >'elm2pine' to convert the aliases file. If you want it I can mail it to >you; if I get many requests, I'll post it here (it's small) Please post. > best regards, > --[ Edwin ]-- >-- >Edwin H. Kremer, systems- and network administrator. >Dept. of Computer Science, Utrecht University, The Netherlands [WHOIS: ehk3] >-------------------- http://www.cs.ruu.nl/people/edwin/ ----------------------- -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)810-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Web admin: chimera,nn,tin,jove,kermit - free's best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 06:07:41 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09154; Wed, 6 Dec 95 06:07:41 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19139; Wed, 6 Dec 95 05:46:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19133; Wed, 6 Dec 95 05:46:18 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNKAT-00038EC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 05:45 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ray@longhair.plaza.nt.com (Ray Marshall) Subject: Re: Undeleting? Date: 5 Dec 1995 15:19:03 GMT Message-Id: <4a1nt7$5pc@nrtphba6.bnr.ca> References: <49l61l$41r@fu-berlin.de> Sven Guckes (guckes@math.fu-berlin.de) wrote: : However, if it is only "marked for deletion" in your folder : then you do get a chance to remove that mark. (Dunno the command.) The command is U for undelete. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 06:44:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09896; Wed, 6 Dec 95 06:44:12 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18569; Wed, 6 Dec 95 06:27:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18563; Wed, 6 Dec 95 06:27:11 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNKnG-00038HC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 06:25 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Horst.Hanak" Subject: Re: Pine 3.91 HELP!!! Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 10:49:36 +0100 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Thu, 30 Nov 1995, Eric Ross, Colorado College wrote: > Joe: > > Bummer! I built the object we are running about a year ago, at 5.4R3 I > think. I just built it again now that we are at 5.4R3.10MU02, and just > as you say, attempting to reply produces: > > Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal." > > Exiting Pine > > Eric Ross Colorado College > eross@cc.colorado.edu 14 E. Cache la Poudre St. > (719) 389-6452 Colorado Springs, Colorado 80903 > > On 30 Nov 1995, Joe Cygan wrote: > > > Eric Ross, Colorado College (eross@cccc.cc.colorado.edu) wrote: > > : Joe: > > We are running 'PINE' with uname -s -r dgux 5.4R3.10 The programm was built: /usr/local/bin/pine -> ../pub/pine3.91/bin/pine --->> Aug 11 1994 3136028 Aug 11 17:20 /usr/local/pub/pine3.91/bin/pine what /usr/local/bin/pine /usr/local/bin/pine: AViiON DG/UX libcurses.a release 5.4R3.10__3.0-3.0 AViiON DG/UX libdgc.a release 5.4R3.10__5.3-5.0 AViiON DG/UX libc.so release 5.4R3.10__5.3-5.0 --->> We have not installed 5.4R3.10MU02 Horst Hanak __________________________________________________________________ Forschungszentrum Karlsruhe E-Mail: Horst.Hanak@infp.FZK.DE Institut:INFP Horst Hanak ------------------------- Postfach 3640 tel: +49 7247/82-3353 D 76021 Karlsruhe / Germany fax: +49 7247/82-4624 __________________________________________________________________ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 07:36:56 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11162; Wed, 6 Dec 95 07:36:56 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20680; Wed, 6 Dec 95 07:21:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20672; Wed, 6 Dec 95 07:21:28 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNLbD-00038DC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 07:17 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Jason L. Read" Subject: using attachments in pine? Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 13:05:12 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII How do I get a file that I made in wordperfect for windows and use it in an attachment in a message I am sending using pine? TIA Jason From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 08:18:30 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12160; Wed, 6 Dec 95 08:18:30 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19994; Wed, 6 Dec 95 07:56:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19988; Wed, 6 Dec 95 07:56:31 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNMAf-00038DC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 07:54 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Alexander.Dietrich@hamburg.netsurf.de (Alexander Dietrich) Subject: Set mailaddress name (like domainname) ? Date: Tue, 05 Dec 1995 18:14:07 GMT Message-Id: <4a1up2$2j5@trance.isys.net> Hello ! I have got (as you can see) quite a long mailaddress. My login name however is a shorter one. I would like to change the name PINE uses for my address to alexander.dietrich because now it takes my login name which is of course wrong. Can anyone help me ? Alexander -- | Alexander Dietrich | 22846 Norderstedt, Germany | | E-Mail: alexander.dietrich@hamburg.netsurf.de | From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 08:31:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12768; Wed, 6 Dec 95 08:31:12 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20212; Wed, 6 Dec 95 08:05:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from acfsysv.roosevelt.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20206; Wed, 6 Dec 95 08:05:03 -0800 Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 09:58:27 -600 (CST) From: Susan Farrar Subject: Newsgroup access To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <4a0ti1$q4k@hustle.rahul.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello Folks, I'm new to both Unix and Pine, having inherited a Unix SCO system when an employee abruptly left. I noticed from the discussion on this list that it appears to be possible to get USENET news access with Pine. Could someone point me to a FAQ on this or other docs? thanks in advance, susan _____________________________________ Susan Farrar, Manager Academic Computing Services Roosevelt University (312) 341-3890 Voice (313) 341-3858 Fax From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 09:00:02 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13937; Wed, 6 Dec 95 09:00:02 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22666; Wed, 6 Dec 95 08:50:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from UX1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22660; Wed, 6 Dec 95 08:50:23 -0800 Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 11:50:15 -0500 (EST) From: Henry Robertson Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: I still can't get off this damn list! In-Reply-To: <4a1up2$2j5@trance.isys.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII What does it take to make the administrator understand? majordomo is too stupid! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 09:12:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15062; Wed, 6 Dec 95 09:12:12 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22940; Wed, 6 Dec 95 09:00:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22910; Wed, 6 Dec 95 08:59:37 -0800 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 6 Dec 1995 16:06:55 +0000 Received: by tower.york.ac.uk (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/940406.SGI) id QAA13984; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 16:08:39 GMT Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 16:08:38 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Brudenell To: "Jason L. Read" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: using attachments in pine? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII If you are using PC-Pine simply give the name (including any directory path) to the file in the attachment header field. If you are using Pine on a UNIX system you must first transfer a copy of your file from your PC's hard disk to the UNIX computer (remember to do this in binary mode). Then start Pine on UNIX and type in the name of the UNIX file now holding your document in the attachment header field. In the latter case I am assuming you are familiar with transferring files between your PC and the UNIX system. If you aren't you should contact the people who support your PCs and/or UNIX system. Come to think of it, if you have such people locally available why didn't you just ask your question of them rather than a collection of strangers scattered around the world who aren't familiar with your computer setup?:-} Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Tel: +44-1904-433811 FAX: +44-1904-433740 http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/ On Tue, 5 Dec 1995, Jason L. Read wrote: > How do I get a file that I made in wordperfect for windows and use it in > an attachment in a message I am sending using pine? > TIA > Jason > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 09:47:57 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16800; Wed, 6 Dec 95 09:47:57 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23860; Wed, 6 Dec 95 09:27:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23854; Wed, 6 Dec 95 09:27:10 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNNXN-00038DC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 09:21 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul Gould Subject: Archiving of Fcc Message-Id: Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 15:49:40 GMT When pine archives a month's worth of the fcc folder, does it simply save all mail in which is older than the first of the current month, or does it specifically extract only the mail sent in the previous month? I ask as we've recently switched from elm to pine and appear to have lost a large amount of sent email. The sent folder now contains only December mail, the sent-nov-1995 contains only November mail and of mail sent before November, there is no sign. (Before you ask, I have told pine to use the ~/Mail directory rather than ~/mail :-) ) It is entirely possible that someone has accidentally deleted the stuff (the account in question is a shared one), but I'd like to eliminate pine from the possible explanations. Paul -- Paul Gould, Network Support Officer +44 151-794 5118 (Tel) CTI Biology, Donnan Laboratories +44 151-794 4401 (Fax) University of Liverpool, PO Box 147 P.W.Gould@liv.ac.uk Liverpool L69 3BX, UK (MIME/NeXTmail OK) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 10:04:19 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17807; Wed, 6 Dec 95 10:04:19 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23571; Wed, 6 Dec 95 09:55:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from asl-labs.bc.ca by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23565; Wed, 6 Dec 95 09:55:34 -0800 Received: by asl3.asl-labs.bc.ca (5.4R3.10/200.2.1.5) id AA19392; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 09:55:12 -0800 Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 09:55:11 -0800 (PST) From: "Brian P. Hampson" To: Susan Farrar Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Newsgroup access In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 6 Dec 1995, Susan Farrar wrote: > Hello Folks, > > I'm new to both Unix and Pine, having inherited a Unix SCO system when an > employee abruptly left. I noticed from the discussion on this list that > it appears to be possible to get USENET news access with Pine. Could > someone point me to a FAQ on this or other docs? Noticed from your header that you are using PINE3.89 The latest version is 3.91 which allows news reading and writing. B. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Brian P. Hampson Internet: brian@asl-labs.bc.ca | |System Administrator, | |Analytical Service Labs Fidonet : Brian Hampson 1:153/733 | |Vancouver, BC | |+604-253-4188 | | Specialists in Environmental Chemistry | | | ------------------http://www.asl-labs.bc.ca/---------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 10:33:53 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19907; Wed, 6 Dec 95 10:33:53 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24621; Wed, 6 Dec 95 10:26:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24615; Wed, 6 Dec 95 10:26:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNOXt-00038HC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 10:26 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Tom Pester Subject: rfc1153 Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 14:26:28 +0100 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've subscribed myself to a malinglist which delivers it's mail into the rfc1153-format. Does pine support this format or must a have an extra program. (I can read the messages but it isn't very practical). I thank you in advance. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 11:24:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22963; Wed, 6 Dec 95 11:24:12 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26002; Wed, 6 Dec 95 11:08:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from x400gate.bnr.ca by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25996; Wed, 6 Dec 95 11:08:21 -0800 X400-Received: by mta bnr.ca in /PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/; Relayed; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 14:07:58 -0500 X400-Received: by /PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/; Relayed; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 14:07:07 -0500 X400-Received: by /PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/; Relayed; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 13:42:00 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 13:42:00 -0500 X400-Originator: /dd.id=118292/g=raymond/i=re/s=marshall/@bnr.ca X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/;bcars735.b.603:06.11.95.19.07.07] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: re:using atta... From: "raymond (r.e.) marshall" Message-Id: <"14659 Wed Dec 6 14:07:22 1995"@bnr.ca> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: re:using attachments in pine? Jason, In message "using attachments in pine?", you write: >How do I get a file that I made in wordperfect for windows and use it in >an attachment in a message I am sending using pine? I don't know about details specific to WordPerfect, but in general, when editing the message's header, just use the ^J command (see bottom of window) to get a prompt for a filename. Entering the filename will cause it to be attached to the message. You can also enter ^T at this prompt to get a list of ALL of the files in the current directory, from which you can easily select the one you want. Suggestion: to reduce your impact on the network, compress the file before sending it. This is not done in pine (at least, not that I know of). Be sure that the recipient can decompress it, before you send a compressed file. / Ray From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 11:32:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23445; Wed, 6 Dec 95 11:32:23 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27837; Wed, 6 Dec 95 11:21:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27831; Wed, 6 Dec 95 11:21:58 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNPLe-00038DC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 11:17 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: edwin@cs.ruu.nl (Edwin Kremer) Subject: Re: Manipulating .addressbook, help requested Date: 5 Dec 1995 18:46:05 GMT Message-Id: <4a241d$t2h@krant.cs.ruu.nl> References: <49l4d5$961@linda.teleport.com> In <49l4d5$961@linda.teleport.com> vik@teleport.com (Vikram Lall) writes: | I am writing a shell script to add entries to aliases | in the .addressbook file [...] To simplify the transition from Elm to Pine, I wrote a silly Perl script 'elm2pine' to convert the aliases file. If you want it I can mail it to you; if I get many requests, I'll post it here (it's small) best regards, --[ Edwin ]-- -- Edwin H. Kremer, systems- and network administrator. Dept. of Computer Science, Utrecht University, The Netherlands [WHOIS: ehk3] -------------------- http://www.cs.ruu.nl/people/edwin/ ----------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 12:02:18 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25273; Wed, 6 Dec 95 12:02:18 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27275; Wed, 6 Dec 95 11:51:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from x400gate.bnr.ca by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27269; Wed, 6 Dec 95 11:51:16 -0800 X400-Received: by mta bnr.ca in /PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/; Relayed; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 14:50:01 -0500 X400-Received: by /PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/; Relayed; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 14:49:25 -0500 X400-Received: by /PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/; Relayed; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 14:23:00 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 14:23:00 -0500 X400-Originator: /dd.id=118292/g=raymond/i=re/s=marshall/@bnr.ca X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/;bcars735.b.684:06.11.95.19.49.25] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: re:Newsgroup ... From: "raymond (r.e.) marshall" Message-Id: <"23736 Wed Dec 6 14:49:43 1995"@bnr.ca> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: re:Newsgroup access Susan, In message "Newsgroup access", Susan writes: <<<< CHOMP >>>> > Could someone point me to a FAQ on this or other docs? To start with, their on-line documents will found at URL: http://www.washington.edu:1180/pine/index.html But, for most configuration work, I've never found it necessary to go there. I recommend using the built-in help. Try going to Setup from the main menu, choosing the Config sub menu item. Then go down to news-collections and press "?" for assistance. Please note that I have never been able to get pine to successfully use an IP address to specify a news server. It can be entered, but then from the FOLDER LIST, it says "No such host...". You must use either a hostname that your machine knows about, or a fully qualified hostname. / Ray ------------------------------------+--------------------------------- Raymond E. Marshall | My opinions are not necessarily NorTel, Customer Service | endorsed by my employer, etc. RTP NC, USA 919-992-4731 Alternate access: raym@vnet.net From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 12:11:39 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25883; Wed, 6 Dec 95 12:11:39 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27435; Wed, 6 Dec 95 11:57:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27428; Wed, 6 Dec 95 11:57:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNPsk-00038DC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 11:51 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: edwin@cs.ruu.nl (Edwin Kremer) Subject: Re: Manipulating .addressbook, help requested Date: 6 Dec 1995 15:40:12 GMT Message-Id: <4a4dgs$sbp@krant.cs.ruu.nl> References: <49l4d5$961@linda.teleport.com> <4a241d$t2h@krant.cs.ruu.nl> In ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) writes: | Please post. Ok. See below. No guarantees; it works for my users, it my work for you. #!/bin/sh # This is a shell archive (shar 3.32) # made 10/07/1994 22:12 UTC by edwin@cs.ruu.nl # # existing files WILL be overwritten # # This shar contains: # length mode name # ------ ---------- ------------------------------------------ # 3564 -rwxr-xr-x elm2pine # if touch 2>&1 | fgrep 'amc' > /dev/null then TOUCH=touch else TOUCH=true fi # ============= elm2pine ============== echo "x - extracting elm2pine (Text)" sed 's/^X//' << 'SHAR_EOF' > elm2pine && X#!/net/bin/perl X#--------------------------------------------------------------------------- X# elm2pine - convert Elm-2.4 aliases file to Pine 3.90 format X# (writes result to standard-output) X# X# 1.0 EHK 02-Sep-94 from scratch X# 1.1 EHK 03-Sep-94 fix continuation-line parsing bug, resulting in X# duplicate partial distribution-lists. Actually, I X# got the documentation wrong at first glance, so this X# is more of a major rewrite than just a bug fix... X#--------------------------------------------------------------------------- X X$P = 'elm2pine' ; X X$home = $ENV{'HOME'} || die "Can't find your HOME directory: $!" ; X$elm = "$home/.elm/aliases.text" ; X Xopen(ELM, "< $elm") || die "You don't have Elm aliases in your ~/.elm directory: $!" ; X X#--------------------------------------------------------------------------- X# Pass 1 : read the entire alias file in core; do some minimal processing X#--------------------------------------------------------------------------- Xprint STDERR "$P: Pass 1 -- reading aliases '$elm'...\n" ; Xwhile ( ) { X chop ; X next if ( /^$/ || /^#/ ) ; # skip comment and blank lines X X # delete blanks around the Elm aliases field-seperator '=' X # and around the Elm-specials ',' and ';' X s/\s*([=,;])\s*/\1/g ; X X # if we have leading blanks, this must be a continuation line X if ( /^[\t\s]/ ) { X # which we can only have if we've seen a nickname already X if ( ! defined($nickname) ) { X print STDERR "$P: ERROR: continuation line without prefix ignored: '$_' \n" ; X next ; X } X X s/^\s+// ; # get rid of the leading blanks X $alias{$nickname} .= "$_" ; X $clines++ ; X } X else { X if ( $clines ) { X print STDERR "$P: [OK] $clines continuation-line(s) joined.\n" ; X $clines = 0 ; X } X undef($nickname); X ($nickname, $fullname, $address) = split(/=/) ; X $fullname = "*none-given*" if ( $fullname eq '' ) ; X X # Elm has multiple-nicknames, so we have to duplicated X # them for Pine to maintain the same information X @nnames = split(/,/, $nickname) ; X if ( $#nnames > 0 ) { X $multi_aliases = $#nnames + 1 ; X print STDERR "$P: [OK] $multi_aliases multiple-aliases duplicated.\n" ; X } X foreach $nname ( @nnames ) { X $alias{$nname} = "$fullname#$address" ; X } X } X} Xclose(ELM) ; X X#--------------------------------------------------------------------------- X# Pass 2 : convert to Pine format. Add default Fcc-field, optional comment X# and apply Pine semantics to Elm-special chars ';' and ',' X#--------------------------------------------------------------------------- Xprint STDERR "$P: Pass 2 -- converting Elm aliases to Pine format...\n" ; X$aliasc = 0 ; Xforeach $nickname (sort keys(%alias)) { X $_ = $alias{$nickname} ; X $aliasc++ ; X X ( $fullname, $addrlist ) = split(/\#/) ; X X # anything after a ',' in the fullname is optional comment X if ( $fullname =~ /,/ ) { X $fullname =~ s/(.*),(.*)/\1/ ; X $comment = "$2" ; X } X else { X $comment = '' ; X } X X # a ';' in the fullname for Elm, must be a ',' for Pine X $fullname =~ s/;/, / ; X X # distribution-list aliases need brackets X $addrlist = "(" . "$addrlist" . ")" if ( $addrlist =~ /,/ ) ; X X # output as Pine aliases now: X # TABTAB
TABTAB X # [Aaaaaaaaaarrrrggggggggggggghhhhhh.... why the !&^@#$^$% `TAB' :--( X X $, = "\t" ; X print $nickname, $fullname, $addrlist ; X X # if we have a comment-field, we will put in a Fcc-field as well X print "\t$nickname\t$comment" if ($comment ne '') ; X print "\n" ; X} X Xprint STDERR "$P: [OK] successfully converted $aliasc aliases.\n" ; X Xexit 0 ; X X__END__ SHAR_EOF $TOUCH -am 0903221994 elm2pine && chmod 0755 elm2pine || echo "restore of elm2pine failed" set `wc -c elm2pine`;Wc_c=$1 if test "$Wc_c" != "3564"; then echo original size 3564, current size $Wc_c fi exit 0 --[ Edwin ]-- -- Edwin H. Kremer, systems- and network administrator. Dept. of Computer Science, Utrecht University, The Netherlands [WHOIS: ehk3] -------------------- http://www.cs.ruu.nl/people/edwin/ ----------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 14:18:38 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03054; Wed, 6 Dec 95 14:18:38 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03565; Wed, 6 Dec 95 14:07:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03557; Wed, 6 Dec 95 14:07:16 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNRv5-00038DC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 14:02 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ray@longhair.plaza.nt.com (Ray Marshall) Subject: Re: Delete all Date: 5 Dec 1995 21:01:07 GMT Message-Id: <4a2buj$kir@nrtphba6.bnr.ca> References: When I have a task like this (deleting all of MANY messages in a given folder), I just go to the shell prompt and rm the folder. I then touch the folder to get a new EMPTY file. (Be sure to check the protection settings (ls -l), and set the new file as necessary (chmod). / Ray From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 14:37:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04002; Wed, 6 Dec 95 14:37:06 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02406; Wed, 6 Dec 95 14:21:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02400; Wed, 6 Dec 95 14:21:16 -0800 Received: from localhost by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08726; Wed, 6 Dec 95 14:21:02 -0800 Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 14:20:53 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vladimir_Solnicky_=28ISO-88?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?59-2=29_Vladim=EDr_Solnick=FD?= Cc: The Pine Discussion List Subject: Re: Q: Meaningful subject for a bug report In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE I think I can best answer this with an example. Here's an actual extract from the reports received today (with senders' names removed). Of these, we will probably read messages 91, 93, and 97. We would prefer subjects that are a little more descriptive than these, but... 82 N Dec 6 (6,421) Bug (ID Y777J): S2j,Kw+w 83 N Dec 6 (6,591) Bug (ID EV99Q): 84 N Dec 6 (5,966) Bug (ID 7J7P6): 85 N Dec 6 (6,479) Bug (ID XI7QJ): 86 N Dec 6 (6,239) Bug (ID 1E9Q8): 87 N Dec 6 (6,238) Bug (ID 0Z7XI): 88 N Dec 6 (5,857) Bug (ID IW7IC): 89 N Dec 6 (5,972) Bug (ID Y777J): 90 N Dec 6 (5,774) Bug (ID Y777J): ^C 91 N Dec 6 (6,916) Bug (ID XI7QJ): deleting my inbox notebooks and add= ress 92 N Dec 6 (6,671) Bug (ID 58440): 93 N Dec 6 (6,821) "Received abort signal" Bug (ID 58440) 94 N Dec 6 (7,011) Bug (ID Y777J): 95 N Dec 6 (7,046) Bug (ID AX8F3): 96 N Dec 6 (29,047) Bug (ID 1I5QJ): 97 N Dec 6 (5,879) Bug (ID 6T2VI): My In-Box |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 6 Dec 1995, Vladimir Solnicky (ISO-8859-2) Vladim=EDr Solnick=FD wr= ote: > Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu > Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu > Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 10:19:42 +0100 (MET) > From: "Vladimir Solnicky (ISO-8859-2) Vladim=EDr Solnick=FD" > To: The Pine Discussion List > Subject: Q: Meaningful subject for a bug report > Message-ID: > X-Postal-Address: UTIA AV CR; Pod vodarenskou vezi 4; 182 08 Praha 8-Lib= en; Czech Republic > Acknowledge-To: vs@utia.cas.cz > Organization: Institute of Information Theory and Automation (UTIA AV CR) > Organizace: (ISO-8859-2) =DAstav teorie informace a automatizace (=DATIA)= AV =C8R > Transport-Options: /delivery /return > Read-Receipt-To: vs@utia.cas.cz > X-Chameleon-Receipt-To: vs@utia.cas.cz > X-Chameleon-Return-To: vs@utia.cas.cz > X-Chameleon-Read-To: vs@utia.cas.cz > X-Confirm-Reading-To: vs@utia.cas.cz > Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE > > Does anybody have any idea what the meanigful subject is? The text below > does not seem to be clear enough (to me). > > Regards, V. S. > > | | Bc. Vladimir Solnicky (Vladim=EDr Solnick=FD using ISO 8859-1 or 2) > | | Institute of Information UTIA AV CR > \/ Theory and Automation Pod vodarenskou vezi 4 > Department of Computing Systems 182 08 Praha 8-Liben > +42 2 6605/2212 fax: +42 2 66414677 Czech Republic > +42 2 6605/2364 e-mail: vs@utia.cas.cz ftp.utia.cas.cz > http://www.utia.cas.cz/user_data/vs/vs-home.html > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Wed, 6 Dec 95 01:11:38 -0800 > From: pine-faq@docserver.cac.washington.edu > To: Vladimir Solnicky Vladim=EDr Solnick=FD > Subject: Re: Bug (ID TV6GY): > > ******************************************************************* > * Please note that due to the large number of reports apparently * > * resulting from phone line noise and other "accidental" reports, * > * we are now pre-filtering messages that do not have a meaningful * > * subject. We apologize if this causes us to miss your report. * > ******************************************************************* > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 14:38:52 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04080; Wed, 6 Dec 95 14:38:52 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02538; Wed, 6 Dec 95 14:25:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02532; Wed, 6 Dec 95 14:25:19 -0800 Received: from localhost by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08859; Wed, 6 Dec 95 14:25:08 -0800 Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 14:25:00 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller To: Paul Gould Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Archiving of Fcc In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Pine doesn't even check any of the messages. It simply renames the current sent-mail folder and creates a new empty one... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 6 Dec 1995, Paul Gould wrote: > Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu > Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu > To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu > From: Paul Gould > Subject: Archiving of Fcc > Message-ID: > Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 15:49:40 GMT > > When pine archives a month's worth of the fcc folder, does it simply save all > mail in which is older than the first of the current month, or does it > specifically extract only the mail sent in the previous month? I ask as we've > recently switched from elm to pine and appear to have lost a large amount of > sent email. The sent folder now contains only December mail, the > sent-nov-1995 contains only November mail and of mail sent before November, > there is no sign. (Before you ask, I have told pine to use the ~/Mail > directory rather than ~/mail :-) ) It is entirely possible that someone has > accidentally deleted the stuff (the account in question is a shared one), but > I'd like to eliminate pine from the possible explanations. > > Paul > -- > Paul Gould, Network Support Officer +44 151-794 5118 (Tel) > CTI Biology, Donnan Laboratories +44 151-794 4401 (Fax) > University of Liverpool, PO Box 147 P.W.Gould@liv.ac.uk > Liverpool L69 3BX, UK (MIME/NeXTmail OK) > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 14:45:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04487; Wed, 6 Dec 95 14:45:12 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02894; Wed, 6 Dec 95 14:38:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from Macon3.Mercer.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02888; Wed, 6 Dec 95 14:38:03 -0800 Received: from nms.Mercer.PeachNet.EDU (nms.Mercer.PeachNet.EDU) by Mercer.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #11207) id <01HYHUI369K090OMFH@Mercer.EDU> for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Wed, 06 Dec 1995 17:37:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NMS.MERCER.PEACHNET.EDU by NMS.MERCER.PEACHNET.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #13284) id <01HYHUHXP2SM00009Z@NMS.MERCER.PEACHNET.EDU> for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Wed, 06 Dec 1995 17:37:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 1995 17:37:47 -0500 (EST) From: Mickey Belote Subject: E-mail package with Kanji support To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Does anyone on the list know of a pc or Mac mail package which provides support for the Kanji alphabet? I believe Groupwise has that capability but would rather not use it. We have a 1 year appointment faculty member from Japan who is involved in a brain research project for our Medical School. He is interested in communicating with his colleagues back home, but would like to do so in his native language. Thanks in advance! Mickey ******************************************************************************** Michael R. Belote Phone: 912.752.2850 Mercer University Fax: 912.752.2313 Director, Technology Support Services Belote_MR@Mercer.EDU From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 16:24:52 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10707; Wed, 6 Dec 95 16:24:52 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07984; Wed, 6 Dec 95 16:16:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tempest.ece.uiuc.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07976; Wed, 6 Dec 95 16:16:45 -0800 Received: (from bzimmer@localhost) by tempest.ece.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA04232; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 18:16:38 -0600 Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 18:16:37 -0600 (CST) From: "Brian T. Zimmer" X-Sender: bzimmer@tempest.ece.uiuc.edu To: pine Subject: Forwarding messages and .signatures Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Whenever I forward a message, the signature appears at the top of the message. However, in all other cases, the signature appears at the bottom. I have signature at bottom turned on. What is the problem?? Brian ----- Brian Zimmer bzimmer@uiuc.edu http://www.ziclix.com/~bzimmer "Adventure is where others aren't" - Rheinhold Messner From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 17:17:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13876; Wed, 6 Dec 95 17:17:42 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08259; Wed, 6 Dec 95 17:12:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08252; Wed, 6 Dec 95 17:12:40 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNUrg-00038EC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 17:11 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Robert Hall Ballard Subject: unsubscribe Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 14:39:09 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII unsubscribe From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 19:18:43 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17755; Wed, 6 Dec 95 19:18:43 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12329; Wed, 6 Dec 95 19:12:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12322; Wed, 6 Dec 95 19:12:54 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNWio-00038DC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 19:10 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Greg Lutz Subject: Re: [Q] Can I use pine with a Pop account? Date: 5 Dec 1995 19:42:57 GMT Message-Id: <4a27c1$llf@cloner2.ix.netcom.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit lgentes@netcom.com (Lockley Gentes) wrote: >How can I access a pop mail account with unix pine?? >Also, how can I specify a different login and/or password?? I'm very interested in this issue myself. I use Linux, not true Unix, and have a few answers. pine can *upload* mail to a POP account with no problem: you just need to enter your SMTP server name in the pine configuration. As far as I know, pine can't fetch mail directly from a POP account, but there is a simple program called "popclient" which you can execute with the name of a POPD server as argument, and it will download all messages from the server into your Unix in-box. This program may be invocable directly from pine, but I don't know how. Source for the program is available at an ftp address I don't have right handy... As to using a POP login different from your Unix user ID -- I'd love to be able to do that myself. For the moment, I've created an extra Unix account under the name used with my POP account, but it's a real nuissance. Realize, however, that pine would have to use the POP-account login as the return address in messages it composed for you; in general, the whole outside world will know you by that name, only your Unix system will know you by your user ID. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 20:52:46 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20231; Wed, 6 Dec 95 20:52:46 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12153; Wed, 6 Dec 95 20:38:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12147; Wed, 6 Dec 95 20:38:07 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNY3z-00038EC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 20:36 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Timothy J. Luoma" Subject: Re: Does anyone know a good unix calendar/reminder program? Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 17:54:23 -0500 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: I've heard, but haven't used, of a program called 'remind' (surprisingly enough) which is supposed to be very good. -- Timothy J. Luoma luomat@capitalist.princeton.edu (MIME fine! NeXTMail if necessary) mail sent to: 476tjl@ptsmail.ptsem.edu is forwarded to above address. "If I understood the man page, I wouldn't have asked the question." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 20:52:59 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20271; Wed, 6 Dec 95 20:52:59 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13802; Wed, 6 Dec 95 20:38:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13796; Wed, 6 Dec 95 20:38:10 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNY5O-00038IC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 20:37 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Timothy J. Luoma" Subject: shift+tab in pine 3.91 Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 17:57:09 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII it seems that shift+tab will bring me to the top of my message being composed... is this really a feature or a freak occurence? Any way to jump all to the bottom (better than page at a time)? thanks TjL -- Timothy J. Luoma luomat@capitalist.princeton.edu (MIME fine! NeXTMail if necessary) mail sent to: 476tjl@ptsmail.ptsem.edu is forwarded to above address. "If I understood the man page, I wouldn't have asked the question." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 21:26:55 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21067; Wed, 6 Dec 95 21:26:55 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12836; Wed, 6 Dec 95 21:08:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12830; Wed, 6 Dec 95 21:08:09 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNYUK-00038DC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 21:03 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: draisma@cs.few.eur.nl (Gerrit Draisma) Subject: setup/folder collections Message-Id: Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 09:49:52 GMT Hello, As a new user I have a question about adding folder collections using setup. The problem is that adding a local folder-collection makes it automatically the default for saves. I would like to keep the remote collection the default for saves, but allowing users to setup a local collection for storing old mail. Is there a way to do that? Thanks! Gerrit Draisma Erasmus University Rotterdam Faculty of Economics draisma@facb.few.eur.nl From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 21:48:38 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21592; Wed, 6 Dec 95 21:48:38 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15078; Wed, 6 Dec 95 21:43:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15072; Wed, 6 Dec 95 21:43:13 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNZ27-00038DC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 21:38 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mose@ns.ccsn.edu (Russell Mosemann) Subject: Compiling pine with gcc on Solaris 2.4? Date: 6 Dec 1995 22:08:52 -0600 Message-Id: <4a5pck$108@ns.ccsn.edu> I have not had any luck compiling pine under Solaris 2.4. The binaries work fine, but I always have to add a fix that has been on the pine wish list for the last 3 or 4 years and never implemented. I've compiled with the unbundled C compiler on a SPARC II and with gcc 2.7.2 on a SPARC 4. Both times I did the "build sol". It would go for a ways and then barf on declarations. I looked at the makefile.sol and uncommented lines for gcc, but none of my modifications seemed to make much difference. Both systems do _not_ have the BSD compatibility package installed. I think it's a little odd that pine does not compile out of the box. Has anyone figured out how to compile pine using gcc on Solaris? Russell Mosemann Concordia College Voice: (402) 643-7445 Computing Center Seward, NE 68434 Fax: (402) 643-4073 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 21:49:11 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21629; Wed, 6 Dec 95 21:49:11 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15086; Wed, 6 Dec 95 21:43:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15080; Wed, 6 Dec 95 21:43:17 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNZ2S-00038HC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 21:38 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: adhutchi@indiana.edu (Allen Dale Hutchison) Subject: Any Ideas Date: 6 Dec 1995 01:50:50 GMT Message-Id: <4a2stq$4jp@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Howdy all, I use Pine on a UNIX system at Indiana University. Everything is great except I am running low on my allotted disk space on the server. Can anyone think of a way I can FTP my mail to my PC every once in a while, and still be able to read it if I have to. I want to keep the mail in Pine format, so, are there any viewers. Any and all help would be greatly appricieated. Thanks, Allen -- Allen Dale Hutchison (812) 857-9005 mailto:adhutchi@indiana.edu http://silver.ucs.indiana.edu/~adhutchi "Even in the Age of Mortals, mankind is not alone." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 21:51:10 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21672; Wed, 6 Dec 95 21:51:10 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13447; Wed, 6 Dec 95 21:43:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13441; Wed, 6 Dec 95 21:43:19 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNZ2T-00038IC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 21:38 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: Manipulating .addressbook, help requested Date: 6 Dec 95 01:52:29 GMT Message-Id: References: <49l4d5$961@linda.teleport.com> <4a1o55$fdr@ccpnws.in2p3.fr> Pierre.Frenkiel@cdf.in2p3.fr (Pierre Frenkiel) writes: >for people interested, I wrote 2 small scripts, ed_alias (58 lines) >and pine_to_elm(18 line) >here is the ed_alias help: >usage: ed_alias [ -? | -h ]\ > The program edits your personnal pine alias file (in your .pine directory) > which must already exist(if not, create it with pine) > Old version is saved in addressbook.bak1 and addressbook.bak1 is saved in > addressbook.bak2 > Then, addressbook is translated into elm format, and result is written > in your elm alias file (in your .elm directory). > This step in only performed if you have already a file named aliases.text > in this directory) You can then use either pine or elm withe same > aliases. > Old version is saved in aliases.text.bak > Editing is done with the editor whose name is in variable EDITOR, > or in variable VISUAL, if EDITOR is undefined. > Default is vi. > Reminder: the field separator for pine is the TAB character, instead > of '=' for elm. > This works correctly with pine only if you choose the option > 'don't sort' in the pine configuration Please post or give an ftp site or URL. -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)810-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Web admin: chimera,nn,tin,jove,kermit - free's best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 21:51:49 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21710; Wed, 6 Dec 95 21:51:49 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13437; Wed, 6 Dec 95 21:43:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13430; Wed, 6 Dec 95 21:43:15 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNZ2S-00038EC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 21:38 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Re: Pine, Procmail, and INBOX Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 20:50:37 -0500 Message-Id: References: <4a1kvv$bru@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4a1kvv$bru@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> On 5 Dec 1995, Jeffrey S Gostin wrote: > Hi! Just a quick question concerning integrating Procmail and Pine. If I have > incoming mail procmail'd into three or four folders folder4>, would I tell pine that folder[1-4] were incoming folders? If not, > how would I go about doing it so that pine could tell me which folders have > new mail, and which ones don't? I had what apparently amounts to the same situation. Accessing the folders, of course, is no problem, as they show up in my local folder collection. I named them IN.this-or-that so that they would appear high up in the list of folders. However, Pine does not know about what is in them and does not tell me how many files are in them until I actually open them. I was able to obtain a Perl script which I could modify to count the actual messages in each folder (I commented out the display of names and subjects) and wrote a front-end shell script to invoke the Perl script for my inbox and all the incoming mail folders and display a summary count for each named folder. I can invoke it manually at any time from the shell prompt, and I have it in my login so that I get the summary whenever I log into my account. I can mail the two scripts to whoever has Perl on their system. (This is for Unix Pine users only, obviously. I use C shell, but it should be easily adaptable to any other shell.) Paul -------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett P. O. Box 857 Vienna, VA 22183-0857 U.S.A. Finger, keyserver, or WWW for PGP 2.6.2 public key URL: http://www.access.digex.net/~pobart -------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 23:00:08 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23154; Wed, 6 Dec 95 23:00:08 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16126; Wed, 6 Dec 95 22:48:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16120; Wed, 6 Dec 95 22:48:20 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNa6S-00038DC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 22:46 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jgvd@guava.epix.net (Jonathan and DearOldDad) Subject: Re: Posting to newsgroups Date: 7 Dec 1995 05:21:41 GMT Message-Id: <4a5tl5$av0@guava.epix.net> References: Adam H. Kerman (ahk@chinet.pd.mcs.net) wrote: : When I use pine to reply to a newsgroup posting, am I _only_ sending my : message to the newsgroup, or am I also sending a duplicate to the e-mail : box of the person who wrote the original? OK here we go again ... : To disagree with many of the postings on the "privacy" issue, it would : seem to be improper to clutter up the e-mail slot of someone I don't know : and don't do business with with my newsgroup responses. Just answer the question (y)es or (n)o if you want to post and if you want to (r)eply make a reply and if you want to (f)orward do that and if you want to do something else RTFM, and if you think it's improper to clutter up the e-mail slot of someone you don't know, then don't send them a copy. Am I missing something here or am I the only one who has read the instructions?? Only a thought ... G'Day. /\ /~\/\/\ /\ /\ /\ |>> John (aka DearOldDad) /\ \/\/ / / \/\/ \/\/\/ \/ \/\|Fore! Pocono Mtns PA USA EARTH/__\/_/__/_/___/email_jgvd@epix.net_|_____ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 6 23:24:07 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23477; Wed, 6 Dec 95 23:24:07 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16480; Wed, 6 Dec 95 23:12:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16474; Wed, 6 Dec 95 23:12:26 -0800 Received: from elvis.med.virginia.edu by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa14198; 7 Dec 95 2:12 EST Received: by elvis.med.Virginia.EDU (5.65c/1.34) id AA15922; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 02:12:13 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 02:12:13 -0500 (EST) From: "Steven D. Majewski" X-Sender: sdm7g@elvis.med.Virginia.EDU To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy In-Reply-To: <4a0ti1$q4k@hustle.rahul.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 5 Dec 1995, Rahul Dhesi wrote: > News vs email confusion. > > There is no RFC-defined way to specify to which newsgroups email should > be posted. > Well - there are two RFCs that define *message* formats for "Internet Messages" (822) and "Usenet Messages" (1036), and a couple of other ones that define various mail and news *transport* protocols. It states quite clearly that rfc1036 tries to be compatible with rfc822. I'm quite sure that if the authors of 822 had known about 1036, they would have mandated a reciprocal compatibiility - however, *somebody* had to come first. > > The trouble is that there is not only disagreement about how things > 'should' be, but about how they actually are. Example: Your comment > about RFCs, which would lead readers into believing that there is some > RFC that requires that email with a Newsgroups header should be posted > to Usenet. > No - you're correct that there is no requirement that at message with a Newsgroups: header must be posted. However, the RFC does define that IF a message with such a header does ever manage to find it's way into the usenet news environment, then the Newsgroups: header states which newsgroups it should, in fact, be posted to. ( I'm useing the vague term "usenet news environment" - however, actually no such environment is defined in 1036. The News Transport Protocol (NNTP) is defined in a separate document (977). 1036 does have a brief discussion of using email as a news transport, but they suggest, that to avoid confusion, the news headers and message be encapsulated. ) Ok - I know Rahul knows all these numbers. However, he seems to remember them quite selectively, and it's convenient for his argument to forget that the layering of protocols and the separation of concerns is one of the basic design principles of the internet. Message Format and Transport Mechanism are two totally separate concerns. Saying you have to know the context of one to interpret the other makes about as much sense as saying that you can't read this message correctly unless you know whether it happened to travel by Ethernet, T-3, ATM or PPP to reach you. Rahul woule like zip codes to mean one thing to the U.S. Postal Service, and another thing to UPS, and then, if someone found his letter lying on the ground and posted it for him, he would complain because they didn't correctly guess which transport he had intended. The only way to construct a rational world is for addresses to always mean the same thing at all times. ---| Steven D. Majewski (804-982-0831) |--- ---| Computer Systems Engineer University of Virginia |--- ---| Department of Molecular Physiology and Biological Physics |--- ---| Box 449 Health Science Center Charlottesville,VA 22908 |--- [ "The grass is always greener, except at t=0" - Stan Kelly-Bootle ] From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 7 01:02:41 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25448; Thu, 7 Dec 95 01:02:41 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16348; Thu, 7 Dec 95 00:53:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16342; Thu, 7 Dec 95 00:53:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNc22-00038DC; Thu, 7 Dec 95 00:50 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jgvd@guava.epix.net (Jonathan and DearOldDad) Subject: Re: sending mail to nowhere Date: 7 Dec 1995 07:29:26 GMT Message-Id: <4a654m$kdv@guava.epix.net> References: <49nfu2$6dm@fu-berlin.de> Marsha C. Holmes (ac573@ccn.cs.dal.ca) wrote: : This might be a "stupid" answer but, why not send it to yourself! It : will, of course, go somewhere - directly to your own mailbox to do with : as you please. : Hope this isn't a "saucy" answer but one that might be of use to you! : Marsha No Marsha, that's too simple an answer for all the foobars on here ... does work though ... hey, what the hell, sometimes saucy is better than scripts ... BYE ... /\ /~\/\/\ /\ /\ /\ |>> John (aka DearOldDad) /\ \/\/ / / \/\/ \/\/\/ \/ \/\|Fore! Pocono Mtns PA USA EARTH/__\/_/__/_/___/email_jgvd@epix.net_|_____ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 7 06:55:26 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02558; Thu, 7 Dec 95 06:55:26 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22676; Thu, 7 Dec 95 06:29:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22670; Thu, 7 Dec 95 06:29:43 -0800 Received: from holmes.acc.virginia.edu by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa05574; 7 Dec 95 9:29 EST Received: (from dma9w@localhost) by holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (8.7.1/8.6.6) id JAA111149; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 09:29:40 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 09:29:40 -0500 (EST) From: "Dawn M. Adelsberger-Mangan" To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: 2 signature files ? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Does pine accomondate 2 signatures (perhaps a local and a global signature). -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Dawn Adelsberger-Mangan dawn@holmes.acc.virginia.edu Unix Support Staff - ITC 131 Forestry Univerity of Virginia 804.982.4711 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 7 10:14:18 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10939; Thu, 7 Dec 95 10:14:18 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26417; Thu, 7 Dec 95 09:59:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26411; Thu, 7 Dec 95 09:59:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNkYR-00038EC; Thu, 7 Dec 95 09:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Jason Saling Subject: Mime text (ISO-8859-1) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 15:51:09 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey, Hey, Here is my situation. I as the unix sys admin receive mail from many MAC users (msmail) who login to the unix servers. When I receive their messages it appears to be in MIME format, therefore I must press V to view the text (Latin text ISO-8859-1) of their messages. This is not a big task, but after 5000000000000 times it can become annoying. Is there a way to have pine automagically display the text when you select a message?????? Thanks, Jason +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Jason Saling jsaling@gulfaero.com Gulfstream Aerospace Corp (Phone) 912-965-5124 500 Gulfstream Road (MS A05) (Fax) 912-965-3820 Savannah, GA 31408 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 7 11:14:40 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14242; Thu, 7 Dec 95 11:14:40 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28900; Thu, 7 Dec 95 11:09:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from asl-labs.bc.ca by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28894; Thu, 7 Dec 95 11:09:28 -0800 Received: by asl3.asl-labs.bc.ca (5.4R3.10/200.2.1.5) id AA06702; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 11:09:21 -0800 Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 11:09:20 -0800 (PST) From: "Brian P. Hampson" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Mime text (ISO-8859-1) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 6 Dec 1995, Jason Saling wrote: > Here is my situation. I as the unix sys admin receive mail from many > MAC users (msmail) who login to the unix servers. When I receive > their messages it appears to be in MIME format, therefore I must > press V to view the text (Latin text ISO-8859-1) of their messages. > This is not a big task, but after 5000000000000 times it can become > annoying. > > Is there a way to have pine automagically display the text when you > select a message?????? I know where you are coming from! Sometimes I get mail that is OBVIOUSLY text, but is broken up by MIME headers (stating that they are text!). This means various extra keystrokes. Can we let pine simply DISPLAY those fragments that are text automatically, rather than go through the song and dance? B. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Brian P. Hampson Internet: brian@asl-labs.bc.ca | |System Administrator, | |Analytical Service Labs Fidonet : Brian Hampson 1:153/733 | |Vancouver, BC | |+604-253-4188 | | Specialists in Environmental Chemistry | | | ------------------http://www.asl-labs.bc.ca/---------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 7 12:39:17 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18495; Thu, 7 Dec 95 12:39:17 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01482; Thu, 7 Dec 95 12:24:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from vm1.NoDak.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01475; Thu, 7 Dec 95 12:24:38 -0800 Received: from orca.fhcrc.org by VM1.NoDak.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Thu, 07 Dec 95 14:24:11 CST Received: by orca.fhcrc.org (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA18200; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 12:24:29 -0800 Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 12:24:29 -0800 (PST) From: Brent Blumenstein To: "Brian P. Hampson" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Mime text (ISO-8859-1) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII And another thing: PrYnting such messages is less than optimal (one line per paragraph). -- Brent A. Blumenstein | tel.: 206 667 4623 Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center | fax: 206 667 4408 1124 Columbia Street MP-557 | e-mail: brentb@orca.fhcrc.org Seattle, WA 98104 USA | On Thu, 7 Dec 1995, Brian P. Hampson wrote: > On Wed, 6 Dec 1995, Jason Saling wrote: > > > Here is my situation. I as the unix sys admin receive mail from many > > MAC users (msmail) who login to the unix servers. When I receive > > their messages it appears to be in MIME format, therefore I must > > press V to view the text (Latin text ISO-8859-1) of their messages. > > This is not a big task, but after 5000000000000 times it can become > > annoying. > > > > Is there a way to have pine automagically display the text when you > > select a message?????? > > I know where you are coming from! Sometimes I get mail that is OBVIOUSLY > text, but is broken up by MIME headers (stating that they are text!). > This means various extra keystrokes. Can we let pine simply DISPLAY > those fragments that are text automatically, rather than go through the > song and dance? > > B. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > |Brian P. Hampson Internet: brian@asl-labs.bc.ca | > |System Administrator, | > |Analytical Service Labs Fidonet : Brian Hampson 1:153/733 | > |Vancouver, BC | > |+604-253-4188 | > | Specialists in Environmental Chemistry | > | | > ------------------http://www.asl-labs.bc.ca/---------------------------- > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 7 13:01:26 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19858; Thu, 7 Dec 95 13:01:26 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03860; Thu, 7 Dec 95 12:50:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03845; Thu, 7 Dec 95 12:49:59 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNnEz-00038DC; Thu, 7 Dec 95 12:48 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: flavell@v2.ph.gla.ac.uk (Alan J. Flavell) Subject: Re: UUEncode Message-Id: References: , Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 13:47:58 GMT In article , Paul O Bartlett writes: > > MIME is not really a standard as such' it's just what Pine uses. Oh no, it's no more a standard than any of the other IAB standards-track Internet RFCs. They are all just some misguided idea of how we can talk to each other on the Internet without actually using standards. :-} Now, perhaps you'd care to enlighten us as to what your stringent criteria are for determining when a standard isn't a "standard as such". Perhaps you'd do us the courtesy of reading what is meant by an "IAB standards track protocol" first, though, and checking for the presence of that phrase in, say, RFC1521 and 1522. --- Alan "Just be careful where you're sticking that user support" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 7 13:56:17 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22947; Thu, 7 Dec 95 13:56:17 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04220; Thu, 7 Dec 95 13:44:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from nexus.chapman.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04208; Thu, 7 Dec 95 13:44:39 -0800 Received: by nexus.chapman.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA03543; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 13:38:02 -0800 Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 13:38:02 -0800 (PST) From: Lady Guinevere To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Cc: ellenk@interplay.com Subject: I can't change my password!!! Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have written to all of you before concerning my folder and how it was not accessible. Now I have a little difficulty changing my password. Is there any information you can give me so that I can have access to changing my password. I don't know what to do. Help Please!!! After trying to change my password, the system told me that my new password was not set. So every time I login I use my old password. Ruxandra Nelson, Chapman University From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 7 17:58:49 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03514; Thu, 7 Dec 95 17:58:49 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11074; Thu, 7 Dec 95 17:54:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from cthia.sojourn.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11068; Thu, 7 Dec 95 17:54:06 -0800 From: gburnore@databasix.com Received: from calzone.oit.unc.edu by cthia.sojourn.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #7) id m0t6TT2-000CakC; Fri, 20 Oct 95 22:15 EDT Date: Fri, 20 Oct 95 22:15 EDT Received: by calzone.oit.unc.edu (ESMTP) id ; Fri, 20 Oct 95 Message-Id: Received: by sunsite.unc.edu (ESMTP) id ; Fri, 20 Oct 95 Smtp-Posting-Host: admin.unc.edu To: Subject: subscribe Organization: Home Office in Michigan subscribe pine-info@cac.washington.edu gburnore@databasix.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 7 18:06:10 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03847; Thu, 7 Dec 95 18:06:10 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11208; Thu, 7 Dec 95 18:00:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11202; Thu, 7 Dec 95 18:00:27 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNs26-00038DC; Thu, 7 Dec 95 17:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jcygan@gateway.wiltel.com (Joe Cygan) Subject: Re: Pine and Data General Aviion Date: 6 Dec 1995 15:14:47 GMT Message-Id: <4a4c17$sbh@gateway.wcom.com> References: <199511301655.KAA27107@sound.net> <49lc1d$d8h@orca.osg.gov.bc.ca> : >I will try to find time to figure out what change I made that allowed the : >smooth functionality. : You do, and I'll buy you a beer! :) I'll make it two!!! |:-) I'm on the exact same DG/UX release, and have the same problem with the "reply" crash when it asks if I want to copy the body of the previous message. If someone could even point me in the right direction to look at the source when this function of reply occurs, I could take a feable look at the code. Joe From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 7 19:03:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05700; Thu, 7 Dec 95 19:03:54 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14019; Thu, 7 Dec 95 19:00:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14013; Thu, 7 Dec 95 19:00:35 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNsyL-00038EC; Thu, 7 Dec 95 18:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Eric Tse Subject: Re: Forwarding messages and .signatures Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 16:12:01 GMT Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII References: Mime-Version: 1.0 On 6 Dec 1995, Brian T. Zimmer wrote: > Whenever I forward a message, the signature appears at the top of the > message. However, in all other cases, the signature appears at the > bottom. I have signature at bottom turned on. What is the problem?? It's a feature. When you forward an e-mail, Pine assumes that you type your own words _before_ the forwarded message. So any recipients can first read your own words, then read on to the forwarded message. Eric From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 7 20:42:09 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08484; Thu, 7 Dec 95 20:42:09 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13966; Thu, 7 Dec 95 20:35:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13954; Thu, 7 Dec 95 20:35:46 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNuVm-00038DC; Thu, 7 Dec 95 20:34 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: b182@rz100.sari.fh-wuerzburg.de (Enrique Melero Gomez) Subject: from: Date: 6 Dec 1995 17:19:27 GMT Message-Id: <4a4jav$gb9@winx03.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de> How do i change the From: line of my outgoing emails ? I have tried with the options in the setup options menu, but it doesnt work. I do not want to compile it again :) . I have tried with customized-hdrs=From: and allow-changing-from , but it still doesnt work. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 7 20:49:21 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08645; Thu, 7 Dec 95 20:49:21 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15678; Thu, 7 Dec 95 20:35:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15672; Thu, 7 Dec 95 20:35:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNuWU-00038EC; Thu, 7 Dec 95 20:35 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 17:46:59 -0500 Message-Id: References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> <199512071843.KAA12358@mail.eskimo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199512071843.KAA12358@mail.eskimo.com> On Thu, 7 Dec 1995, Steve Summit wrote: : In , you wrote: : > [...] All you have to do is answer 'no' when Pine asks you : > whether you want to reply to the newsgroup also. Probably the original : > response you got had a newsgroup header it it -- that's the sender's : > problem -- so Pine is actually doing you a favor of allowing you to make : > a choice. [...] : : [...] Do you know if : Pine can be configured (without recompiling) to *not* ask this : question at all, but rather assume a "no" (i.e. mail only, do not : post) response? Since many people seem to dislike the feature, : and many users seem to accidentally answer the question : inappropriately, it seems to me that making it configurable would : satisfy Pine's critics while leaving the dual reply/post : functionality available for those who prefer it. To the best of my knowledge, Pine is *not* configurable in this particular way without modifying the source code and recompiling. The Pine Development Team may be working on something like this, but I cannot speak for them. (The current Pine version is 3.91.) As I mentioned in my response, prior to actually sending any email/post/reply/whatever, the sender does have full access to the destination headers, but I admit that this does put the burden on the individual to look before sending. I have simply gotten into the habit of doing so and glancing at the header fields before pressing the magic send keys. For example, to respond to your message, Pine asked me whether I wanted to reply to newsgroups. When I said yes, it did not formulate a header to send this to you also by email. I had to add that back in by hand, a feature which I myself find irksome in another way. I have simply learned to live with it in order to get other desirable features of Pine. Unfortunately, we do not live in a perfect world. Paul -------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett P. O. Box 857 Vienna, VA 22183-0857 U.S.A. Finger, keyserver, or WWW for PGP 2.6.2 public key URL: http://www.access.digex.net/~pobart -------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 7 20:53:17 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08707; Thu, 7 Dec 95 20:53:17 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14138; Thu, 7 Dec 95 20:47:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from piper.hamline.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14132; Thu, 7 Dec 95 20:47:11 -0800 Received: from mendeleev.hamline.edu by piper.hamline.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/19Jan95-0146PM) id AA03450; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 22:49:09 -0600 Received: by mendeleev.hamline.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA07199; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 22:46:59 -0600 Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 22:46:58 -0600 (CST) From: Travis A Hofmann X-Sender: tahofman@mendeleev To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: help Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I was inquiring about a possible way for me to use 'talk' or any other form of it besides irc to talk to someone who is using the system NCSA. Anyone's help would be appreciated. Thanks. Sincerely, Travis Hofmann Hamline University From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 7 21:34:58 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09423; Thu, 7 Dec 95 21:34:58 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16414; Thu, 7 Dec 95 21:28:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from elk.uvm.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16406; Thu, 7 Dec 95 21:28:18 -0800 Received: from moose.uvm.edu (moose.uvm.edu [132.198.101.60]) by elk.uvm.edu (8.7.2/8.7.2) with ESMTP id AAA24634 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 00:28:17 -0500 Received: (from kmaclean@localhost) by moose.uvm.edu (8.7.2/8.7.2) id AAA227238; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 00:28:16 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 00:28:16 -0500 (EST) From: "Kevin W. MacLean" To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: pine-info Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 7 23:02:10 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12040; Thu, 7 Dec 95 23:02:10 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16070; Thu, 7 Dec 95 22:56:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16064; Thu, 7 Dec 95 22:56:03 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNwfw-00038DC; Thu, 7 Dec 95 22:52 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: flavell@v2.ph.gla.ac.uk (Alan J. Flavell) Control: cancel Subject: cancel Message-Id: Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 17:41:53 GMT From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 7 23:37:04 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12702; Thu, 7 Dec 95 23:37:04 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18524; Thu, 7 Dec 95 23:31:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18518; Thu, 7 Dec 95 23:31:09 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNxC6-00038DC; Thu, 7 Dec 95 23:26 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: br00031@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu Subject: The Y command Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 00:08:20 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am helping someone, new to the net, learn to use pine. Their sevice provider is running Free Bsd and Pine 3.91. They use a sinclair QL computer. The Y (print) command does not work. I thought if I had a better understanding of how the the command works I might be able to fiddle around and get it to work. Any suggestions? Thanks for the help From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 8 00:57:37 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14356; Fri, 8 Dec 95 00:57:37 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19661; Fri, 8 Dec 95 00:51:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19655; Fri, 8 Dec 95 00:51:22 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNyTe-00038DC; Fri, 8 Dec 95 00:48 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Will Baldwin <76200.275@CompuServe.COM> Subject: cmsg cancel <71597.76200.275@compuserve.com> Control: cancel <71597.76200.275@compuserve.com> Date: 8 Dec 1995 07:54:44 GMT Message-Id: <4a8r04$qd4$2@mhade.production.compuserve.com> Cancelled by 76200.275 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 8 01:39:51 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16103; Fri, 8 Dec 95 01:39:51 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18400; Fri, 8 Dec 95 01:31:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18394; Fri, 8 Dec 95 01:31:29 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNz6e-00038EC; Fri, 8 Dec 95 01:28 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Bob Subject: cc email/usenet automatically Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 14:01:04 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I use pine to read usenet, but quite often when posting I like to cc an email to the person I am responding to. It gets there faster, and if my post is an explicit response, it insures that they will see it. Currently to do this I have to reply to sender, go up and ^R to get the rich header and then add in the appropriate newsgroup. Is there some way that this can be done automatically? * Bob Morrell * * bmorrell@bgsm.edu * * http://www-uk.hpl.hp.com/people/ewc/list-main.html#HDR13 * From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 8 02:01:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16543; Fri, 8 Dec 95 02:01:42 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17475; Fri, 8 Dec 95 00:31:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17469; Fri, 8 Dec 95 00:31:19 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tNy9J-00038DC; Fri, 8 Dec 95 00:27 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Sam Liddicott Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 12:46:31 GMT Message-Id: References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> <49to4s$l52@netaxs.com> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Well spoken answer; as pine sees no harm in inventing extra headers - so a message can be "marked" as New, when old, and so that standard mail checkers don't report it as actually being new, why not, when saving mail, invent a header reporting the nature of the folder collection it came from. Thus news postings saved into other folders can be automatically identified by pine, as having actually come from news. -- Sam Liddicott | Nothing I say is to be attributed as Campbell Scientific Ltd. | a company statement or representation. 14-20 Field Street, Shepshed, *---------------------------------------- Leicestershire, Phone: +44 (0) 1509 601141 United Kingdom. LE12 9AL Fax: +44 (0) 1509 601091 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 8 03:00:33 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17880; Fri, 8 Dec 95 03:00:33 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21269; Fri, 8 Dec 95 02:46:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ccms.ntu.edu.tw by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21263; Fri, 8 Dec 95 02:46:13 -0800 Received: (from pipo@localhost) by ccms.ntu.edu.tw (8.6.10/8.6.9) id SAA27124; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 18:42:03 +0800 Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 18:42:03 +0800 (CST) From: pipo@ccms.ntu.edu.tw X-Sender: pipo@ccms To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: accessing my uw account Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dear person behind the curtain, I should have asked you months ago how I can access my account at UW. I am a grad student on leave to study in Taiwan for the academic year. I have a feeling that my acct in Homer is full of messages for me and that I ought to be able to read them from here. Can you help? Sincerely, Mary E. Hirsch (current) pipo@ccms.ntu.edu.tw (on leave) pipo@u.washington.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 8 03:54:26 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19225; Fri, 8 Dec 95 03:54:26 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22062; Fri, 8 Dec 95 03:36:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22056; Fri, 8 Dec 95 03:36:41 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tO14T-00038DC; Fri, 8 Dec 95 03:34 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ms@nikson.dataphone.se () Subject: shadow passwords Date: 6 Dec 1995 18:47:58 GMT Message-Id: <4a4ogu$41p@nic.dataphone.se> Hi! How do I get imapd to support shadow-passwords? I use Linux 1.2.13. -- magnus stahre ____ ____ \ / \ / \/ #define QUESTION ((bb) || !(bb)) \/ <> <> From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 8 04:25:45 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20858; Fri, 8 Dec 95 04:25:45 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20403; Fri, 8 Dec 95 04:01:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20395; Fri, 8 Dec 95 04:01:46 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tO1QO-00038DC; Fri, 8 Dec 95 03:57 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 7 Dec 1995 09:41:30 GMT Message-Id: <4a6csa$6m9@hustle.rahul.net> References: <4a0ti1$q4k@hustle.rahul.net> In sdm7g@virginia.edu ("Steven D. Majewski") writes: >It states quite clearly that rfc1036 tries to be compatible with >rfc822. I'm quite sure that if the authors of 822 had known about >1036, they would have mandated a reciprocal compatibiility - however, >*somebody* had to come first. The general philosophy you state sounds nice, but the conclusions you have drawn from it are not good ones. At the risk of deafening readers, let me yell this out: I VERY MUCH DOUBT THAT ANY OF THE AUTHORS OF THESE RFCS EITHER INTENDED, OR WOULD HAVE INTENDED, FOR A NEWSGROUPS HEADER IN EMAIL TO MEAN 'POST TO USENET'!!! Such use for a Newsgroups header is an aberration of recent invention. Please do not blame any of the RFCs for what is, ultimately, a software bug. I am sure that had any of the authors of the RFCs realized that they would be quoted to support the broken software behavior that we are discussing now, they would have rushed to add appropriate disclaimers to their RFCs. >No - you're correct that there is no requirement that at message >with a Newsgroups: header must be posted. However, the RFC does >define that IF a message with such a header does ever manage to >find it's way into the usenet news environment, then the Newsgroups: >header states which newsgroups it should, in fact, be posted to. What RFC makes such a convoluted, hypothetical, and nonsensical assertion? I find no such assertion in rfc1036. I do see that it says: However, it should always be possible to use a tool expecting an Internet message to process a news message. Which only means that it should be possible to feed to a mail-handling program a News posting and expect it to do something reasonable -- such as, for example, mail it to somebody whose address must also be supplied. But rfc1036 nowhere says the opposite, i.e., that it makes any sense to feed an email message to a News program and expect anything useful to happen. They could have said this and made their statements symmetrical. They did not. Case closed. THE RESULT OF FEEDING EMAIL TO A NEWS-HANDLING PROGRAM IS NOT DEFINED BY THE RFCs. > Ok - I know Rahul knows all these numbers. However, he seems to >remember them quite selectively, and it's convenient for his argument >to forget that the layering of protocols and the separation of >concerns is one of the basic design principles of the internet. Er, I am quite happy to separate message formats from transport protocols. The News vs email distinction is not a protocol-dependent issue at all. If you gave me sufficient money, I would happily implement a software suite that would: Transport email via nntp and eventually deliver it into your mailbox. Transport News via smtp and eventually cause it to be installed in your News spool directory. The distinction between email and news exists regardless of how they are transported. It is merely a matter of convenience that observing that nntp is being used lets us quickly determine that News is being transported. In the UUCP world, both News and email are transported via the identical UUCP mechanism -- the only difference is in which command is executed at the other end, whether rmail or rnews, to accept and process the transported data. And yet, I have not seen UUCP users get confused about whether something is News or email, and they don't go crazy and begin posting email to Usenet under some pretence of 'got to separate the transport from the message'. >Rahul woule like zip codes to mean one thing to the U.S. Postal >Service, and another thing to UPS, and then, if someone found >his letter lying on the ground and posted it for him, he would >complain because they didn't correctly guess which transport >he had intended. I am so glad I am alive, because presumably if you came across my dead body, you would get my address from my wallet and try to stuff me into the nearest mailbox. Or worse, get my telephone number and grind me into sufficiently fine particles that could be stuffed into a telephone handset. Or even worse, get my email address, really grind me into fine pulp, and try to pour it between the keys on your keyboard. -- Rahul Dhesi "please ignore Dhesi" -- Mark Crispin From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 8 04:29:43 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21059; Fri, 8 Dec 95 04:29:43 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22845; Fri, 8 Dec 95 04:16:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22839; Fri, 8 Dec 95 04:16:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tO1hh-00038DC; Fri, 8 Dec 95 04:15 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 7 Dec 1995 11:21:32 GMT Message-Id: <4a6ins$chn@hustle.rahul.net> References: <4a0ti1$q4k@hustle.rahul.net> In gray@cac.washington.edu (Terry Gray) writes: >Rahul, >but since I've >been involved in Arpanet/Internet messaging for over 20 years now, I think >I knew that already. Dear Terry, Your extensive experience does not help readers understand your ambiguous statements any better. >Now see if you can think of a model in which the *news* RFCs might be >relevant to a tool that was about to send a message out *somewhere* and >ALL it had available for deciding *where* and WHICH PROTOCOL(S) to use, >were the headers in the message it was given. Which protocol is used will usually be a site-specific question. In fact some sites will send News via UUCP to some other sites and via nntp to some other sites and perhaps via an email gateway to yet other sites. To say nothing of leaf node sites that often use offbeat protocols such as QWK packets. The selection of protocol is based not on News message headers, but rather, based on the destination site. I suppose you might want to rely solely on message headers to decide if it's News or email, but that too seems unwise. If you *have* to do so I suggest looking for a Path header. -- Rahul Dhesi "please ignore Dhesi" -- Mark Crispin From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 8 05:16:39 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22510; Fri, 8 Dec 95 05:16:39 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21489; Fri, 8 Dec 95 05:01:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21483; Fri, 8 Dec 95 05:01:54 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tO2OK-00038DC; Fri, 8 Dec 95 04:59 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 8 Dec 1995 10:26:41 GMT Message-Id: <4a93t1$g8r@hustle.rahul.net> References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> <49to4s$l52@netaxs.com> <4a1it2$pp@zuul.nmti.com> <4a86ga$dnt@zuul.nmti.com> In Mark Crispin writes: >On 8 Dec 1995, Peter da Silva wrote: >> So all the while he's been publicly denying that there's a problem he's been >> working on fixing it. >You don't use Pine, and based entirely on hearsay you complained about a >problem which does not exist and can not exist in any released version of >Pine. Without taking either side, let me present an excerpt from a posting by Mark Crispin that appeared on Usenet on March 8, 1995: The gist of the technical issue is this: there is no reliable way to determine what is "news" and what is "mail" to establish modal behavior. If there is anyone who in sincerely interested in the technical details, I will be happy to explain. There have been a great number of suggestions on how to deal with the problem, for which we are grateful; unfortunately some of these are infeasible due to technical considerations. We have already deployed several of the feasible suggestions. These will be in Pine 3.92. We are also actively investigating certain others, including a clever means (if it works -- not yet verified) of distinguishing between non-posted email from tin (et al) and postings. It isn't yet certain whether this will be in 3.92; the jury is still out on whether or not the particular trick in question will work. -- Rahul Dhesi "please ignore Dhesi" -- Mark Crispin From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 8 05:34:02 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22996; Fri, 8 Dec 95 05:34:02 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23631; Fri, 8 Dec 95 05:10:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from aruba.CCIT.Arizona.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23625; Fri, 8 Dec 95 05:10:45 -0800 Received: (from yontaek@localhost) by aruba.ccit.arizona.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id GAA54535; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 06:12:29 -0700 Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 06:12:28 -0700 (MST) From: Yontaek Choi X-Sender: yontaek@aruba.ccit.arizona.edu To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: spell check Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is there any way to add vocabulary for the spell check? At least, any way to skip censoring my name and email address... of course, without deleting my signature file? Yontaek Choi/ yontaek@u.arizona.edu/ (520)-881-7715 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 8 06:13:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23925; Fri, 8 Dec 95 06:13:06 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22335; Fri, 8 Dec 95 06:00:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from x400gate.bnr.ca by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22329; Fri, 8 Dec 95 06:00:19 -0800 X400-Received: by mta bnr.ca in /PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/; Relayed; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 08:58:55 -0500 X400-Received: by /PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/; Relayed; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 08:57:38 -0500 X400-Received: by /PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/; Relayed; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 08:54:00 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 08:54:00 -0500 X400-Originator: /dd.id=118292/g=raymond/i=re/s=marshall/@bnr.ca X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/;bcars735.b.453:08.11.95.13.57.38] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: re:The Y comm... From: "raymond (r.e.) marshall" Message-Id: <"5455 Fri Dec 8 08:57:42 1995"@bnr.ca> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: re:The Y command In message "The Y command", 'br00031@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu' writes: >[...] The Y (print) command does not work. I thought if I had a >better understanding of how the the command works I might be able to >fiddle around and get it to work. Any suggestions? Thanks for the help >From the Main menu, enter the Setup command. From there enter Printer. This allows you either select a prespecified command, or to roll your own. Enjoy / Ray -----------------------------------+--------------------------------- Raymond E. Marshall | My opinions are not necessarily NorTel, Customer Service | endorsed by my employer, etc. RTP NC, USA 919-992-4731 Alternate access: raym@vnet.net From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 8 06:15:51 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24003; Fri, 8 Dec 95 06:15:51 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24280; Fri, 8 Dec 95 05:57:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24274; Fri, 8 Dec 95 05:57:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tO3IH-00038DC; Fri, 8 Dec 95 05:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Adam H. Kerman" Subject: Posting to newsgroups Message-Id: Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 20:53:36 GMT Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Mime-Version: 1.0 When I use pine to reply to a newsgroup posting, am I _only_ sending my message to the newsgroup, or am I also sending a duplicate to the e-mail box of the person who wrote the original? To disagree with many of the postings on the "privacy" issue, it would seem to be improper to clutter up the e-mail slot of someone I don't know and don't do business with with my newsgroup responses. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 8 07:14:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25190; Fri, 8 Dec 95 07:14:23 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23357; Fri, 8 Dec 95 07:02:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23351; Fri, 8 Dec 95 07:02:09 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tO4Iq-00038EC; Fri, 8 Dec 95 07:01 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: br00031@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu Subject: Re: Dummy needs a ".wastebasket" file Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 22:35:08 -0500 Message-Id: References: <4a00rg$vge@news1.mpcs.com> <4a0er8$kuq@shellx.best.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4a0er8$kuq@shellx.best.com> On 4 Dec 1995, Nancy McGough wrote: > I also would love it if all my "deleted" messages were stored in > a file named something like trash. Yes, I know that I could save > them to "trash" but I'd like to just use the D key. Anyone have > any ideas? > If your setup the read-messages folder all of your messages that you look at will be stored there. That way you will have to delete them twice. Once in the folder they are saved to, and once in the read-messages folder. Saving your deleted messages to afolder like "trash" is just the same as not deleting them in the first place. If that is your real goal then just don't delete them From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 8 09:26:24 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00483; Fri, 8 Dec 95 09:26:24 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27792; Fri, 8 Dec 95 09:02:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27786; Fri, 8 Dec 95 09:02:23 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tO68W-00038EC; Fri, 8 Dec 95 08:59 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sven.hennig@wiesbaden.netsurf.de (Sven Hennig) Subject: ---Please Read This--- Date: Fri, 08 Dec 1995 12:12:20 GMT Message-Id: <4a9acb$i6m@luna.vistec.com> Hi, I just wanted to give you the chance to earn some money in a very easy way.A friend of mine turned me on a company called Intercall Marketing, which offers a nice, uncomplicated way to get some more cash, just by callingthem and advertising a bit. The number of the company is 011-24-831-831 (if you're calling from the USA, in other countries it's (i think) ++248-313131). The call has a fee of $1.50, so I think (hope) this isn't to expensive for the possibility to get some more money. Now I'll try to explain how it works: After calling the number a recording gives you deatiled informationon what to to next. After a brief description you will be asked to enter a six digit account number of the person that gave you this number, and this should be my account number. It is -3 8 0 4 9 9- (this one is mine) and then you can start to earn big money for nearly doing nothing. To explain a little how it works, when you type in my account number, the computer will give you you're own account number and a personal PIN Number for your use only. Then it will record name and address for future accounting needs, i.e. payments. Here is where the money comes from: For every call made to this number, intercall receives $1.50. 50 Cents go to the account number you first typed in. But of course, now as you've got you're own account, you'll want people to call and type in your account number right away ! And I think, with the help of all the networking systems around, it won't be a problem to reach many people. Up to now its nothing special, BUT IT GETS EVEN BETTER. You not only make 50 cents from the first people who call using your number but also when they get people to call using their number you get another 25 Cents from them, plus another 25 cents from the people they get to call. So that means you get paid 3 Levels deep, which could amount to some serious $$$. An example: If you get 100 people to call (by advertising in the net, or in the local news papers), then you get 50$. If these people, let's say get another 50 people to call, it's already $1,250. But the third Level is the most important one(so you should perhaps hurry a bit), because if these people get 25 people each, that means that you'll get exactly $31,250 (just imagine, if every Level would get 100 people, you would get $ 250.000). Some good cash for nearly doing nothing, isn't it ? If you're wondering why Intercall does this, realize that they get 50 Cents for every call. 1st Level=$0.50, 2nd Level=$0.25, 3rd Level=$0.25 => $1.00. Remember that they'll get $1.50 for each call, so that leaves 50 cents per call. I normally dont try this things out. But it's (IMHO) not possible to loose much money, and just paying $1.50 for calling, and then perhaps getting much more cash, it's not too bad ? But now I stop trying to convince you. You have to decide if this possibility of earning cash is worth $1.50. Thank you very much for reading, i hope it didn'T bother you. C ya Sven H. ----------------Sven Hennig---------------- ------------Zum Kohlwaldfeld 2a------------ -------------D-65817 Eppstein------------- ------------Tel. ++49-6198-9218------------ ------------Data ++49-6198-9208------------ -E-Mail: sven.hennig@wiesbaden.netsurf.de- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 8 11:11:48 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06105; Fri, 8 Dec 95 11:11:48 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01624; Fri, 8 Dec 95 10:57:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01618; Fri, 8 Dec 95 10:57:36 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tO7wx-00038DC; Fri, 8 Dec 95 10:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: paulp@nic.cerf.net (Paul Phillips) Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 4 Dec 1995 16:38:56 GMT Message-Id: <49v870$c1t@news.cerf.net> References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> In article Paul O Bartlett writes: > If you don't want your response to be posted to a newsgroup, you can >always say no. And IN ANY CASE, you have complete manual control over >newsgroup-posting and email-sending headers before you dispatch the >message. Please don't blame Pine because you are not taking the trouble >to check the headers before sending to see that what you want gets done. Um, Pine is absolutely at fault here. I didn't know there was anyone that contested this. It makes absolutely no distinction between email replies to a post and posted replies to a post copied to email -- how is one supposed to know whether to say 'no' or not? >Pine is a good product. Learn how to use it effectively before >ventilating your pique in public. Pine is a good mailer. It also has an enormous user interface bug that this person rightfully pointed out. -PSP -- "If you have a right, you have the right to force others to get it for you, and to amplify it." -- Michael John Falkner, philosopher to kings alt.current-events.net-abuse From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 8 11:27:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06783; Fri, 8 Dec 95 11:27:12 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02225; Fri, 8 Dec 95 11:16:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from visla.utia.cas.cz by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02219; Fri, 8 Dec 95 11:16:40 -0800 Received: by visla.utia.cas.cz (16.7/16.2) id AA14986; Fri, 8 Dec 95 20:16:13 +0100 Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 20:16:13 +0100 (MET) From: Vladimir Solnicky =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=28Vladim=EDr_Solnick=FD=29?= To: Josi Manuel Csrdova Villanueva Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Setup Pc-Pine Winsock In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Postal-Address: UTIA AV CR; Pod vodarenskou vezi 4; 182 08 Praha 8-Liben; Czech Republic Acknowledge-To: vs@utia.cas.cz Organization: Institute of Information Theory and Automation (UTIA AV CR) Transport-Options: /delivery /return Read-Receipt-To: vs@utia.cas.cz X-Confirm-Reading-To: vs@utia.cas.cz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, Josi Manuel Csrdova Villanueva wrote: > =09and I have in /etc/services the next line >=20 > =09imap3 143/tcp #mail services ^^^^^^^^^ >=20 > =09and in /etc/inetd.conf >=20 > =09imap sream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd imapd ^^^^^^^^^ At least the second line should look like: imap3 stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd imapd Hope it helps, V. S. | | Bc. Vladimir Solnicky (Vladim=EDr Solnick=FD using ISO 8859-1 or 2) | | Institute of Information UTIA AV CR \/ Theory and Automation Pod vodarenskou vezi 4 Department of Computing Systems 182 08 Praha 8-Liben +42 2 6605/2212 fax: +42 2 66414677 Czech Republic +42 2 6605/2364 e-mail: vs@utia.cas.cz ftp.utia.cas.cz http://www.utia.cas.cz/user_data/vs/vs-home.html From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 8 11:59:07 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08313; Fri, 8 Dec 95 11:59:07 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01382; Fri, 8 Dec 95 11:42:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01376; Fri, 8 Dec 95 11:42:40 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tO8de-00038DC; Fri, 8 Dec 95 11:39 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mccrae@hweng.syr.ge.com Subject: Re: Announcing new mail Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 15:43:19 -0500 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: I believe I've figured out why Pine was not announcing new mail, even though the messages appeared in my INBOX. I had not set a value for my inbox location on the setup/configure screen; it was simply using the system default. Now that I have set the value to the actual mail folder on the system, I get a message announcing how many mail messages have arrived and who sent the most recent one. I wanted to pass that news on, in case anyone else had the same problem. Lotus ------------------------------ mccrae@hweng.syr.ge.com "What you are shouts so loudly in my ears I cannot hear what you say." --Ralph Waldo Emerson From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 8 12:35:32 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09833; Fri, 8 Dec 95 12:35:32 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04292; Fri, 8 Dec 95 12:27:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04286; Fri, 8 Dec 95 12:27:46 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tO9LP-00038DC; Fri, 8 Dec 95 12:24 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Jim Murphy Subject: Re: request for information Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 12:02:28 -0500 Message-Id: References: <4a1rmq$5pc@nrtphba6.bnr.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4a1rmq$5pc@nrtphba6.bnr.ca> Is it possible to have PINE automagically append a signature file based on whether the message is local or non-local. I do this optionally by resetting in setup - just wanted to do it without setup each time. ============================================================================ Jim Murphy #2295 murphy@numen.elon.edu www.elon.edu/users/f/murphy Elon College ***** Academic Computing Services ***** Elon College, NC ============================================================================ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 8 12:40:22 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10087; Fri, 8 Dec 95 12:40:22 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02587; Fri, 8 Dec 95 12:27:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02581; Fri, 8 Dec 95 12:27:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tO9M5-00038EC; Fri, 8 Dec 95 12:25 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Stephen Weihman Subject: Re: sending mail to nowhere Date: Mon, 04 Dec 1995 09:09:38 -0500 Message-Id: <30C30122.74FD@stpd001.gteds.gtenet.com> References: <49nfu2$6dm@fu-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Zachary H Leber wrote: >Is there a way to send mail to a dummy address that doesn't go anywhere >but doesn't get returned? Why not leave to To: field blank, and enter just the BCC: addresses? That way, the mail just shows their address in the list, not a To: field with any name. Works for me... -- -- Stephen -- ------------------------------------------------------- -- Stephen J. Weihman -*- GTE Data Services -- ------------------------------------------------------- -- The opinions expressed herein are entirely my -- -- own, and are not necessarily those of GTE. -- ------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 8 13:08:03 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11813; Fri, 8 Dec 95 13:08:03 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05151; Fri, 8 Dec 95 13:01:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from server.hamburg.netsurf.de by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05145; Fri, 8 Dec 95 13:01:29 -0800 Received: from mail.isys.net[193.96.224.33] by mail.hamburg.netsurf.de with smtp (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.1); id m0tO90X-000sDCC; Fri, 8 Dec 95 22:03 GMT+0200 Received: from paddington by mail.isys.net with smtp (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.22); id ; Fri, 8 Dec 95 21:56 MEZ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 22:00:25 +0100 (MET) From: Michael.Joswig@Hamburg.NetSurf.DE X-Sender: michaelj@paddington To: Enrique Melero Gomez Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: from: In-Reply-To: <4a4jav$gb9@winx03.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 6 Dec 1995, Enrique Melero Gomez wrote: > How do i change the From: line of my outgoing emails ? > > I have tried with the options in the setup options menu, but it doesnt > work. I do not want to compile it again :) . But you have to:-( > > I have tried with customized-hdrs=From: and > allow-changing-from , but it still doesnt work. > Try Reply-To: me@my.other.system in the customized-hdrs. This way all "normal"[1] Replies will be sent to that address. Ciao, Michael [1] unless you are using some strange mailserver who insist on using From: ================================================================ Michael J. Joswig michael.joswig@Hamburg.NetSurf.DE "I used to think that *I* was stupid, and then I met philosophers." (Terry Pratchett, Small Gods) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 8 13:10:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11909; Fri, 8 Dec 95 13:10:23 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05197; Fri, 8 Dec 95 13:02:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05191; Fri, 8 Dec 95 13:02:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tO9vH-00038DC; Fri, 8 Dec 95 13:01 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Re: Automatic CC's Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 09:42:08 -0500 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On 3 Dec 1995, Brian T. Zimmer wrote: > When other people using pine mail an original message to me, I am > automatically included as a CC. It asks if I wish to "Reply to all > recipients?" Why is this?? When you go to reply and Pine sees a Cc: field, it may ask whether you also want to reply to whoever is in the Cc: field. It may not check to notice that it is _you_ in the Cc: field, so if you reply to all, you should get mailed a copy of your own reply. Paul -------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett P. O. Box 857 Vienna, VA 22183-0857 U.S.A. Finger, keyserver, or WWW for PGP 2.6.2 public key URL: http://www.access.digex.net/~pobart -------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 8 13:18:16 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12344; Fri, 8 Dec 95 13:18:16 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04186; Fri, 8 Dec 95 13:12:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04180; Fri, 8 Dec 95 13:12:52 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOA5t-00038DC; Fri, 8 Dec 95 13:12 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 09:50:34 -0500 Message-Id: References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> On 3 Dec 1995, Lloyd Wood wrote (excerpt): > I have just discovered, to my considerable cost and embarrassment, > that pine hasn't the simplest idea of privacy. > (I'm using 3.91 compiled for Solaris.) Yes, it does, provided you learn how to use it effectively. > So, when I send the email reply in pine, pine pops up a helpful > question. 'Do you want to post this to the newsgroups X too?' > > And I say yes, because I assume that for pine to ask me, the > email I am replying to must have been both mailed and posted. If you don't want your response to be posted to a newsgroup, you can always say no. And IN ANY CASE, you have complete manual control over newsgroup-posting and email-sending headers before you dispatch the message. Please don't blame Pine because you are not taking the trouble to check the headers before sending to see that what you want gets done. > THIS IS THE STUPIDEST TRAP I HAVE EVER HAD THE DISPLEASURE OF FALLING INTO. > > Posting private email is bad form on usenet, yet pine encourages you > to do it. I am severely peeved. I can't believe that a program as > mature as pine is can have this goddam awful behaviour. Calm down. All you have to do is answer 'no' when Pine asks you whether you want to reply to the newsgroup also. Probably the original response you got had a newsgroup header it it -- that's the sender's problem -- so Pine is actually doing you a favor of allowing you to make a choice. Is the cutler to blame if the surgeon is clumsy with the knife? Pine is a good product. Learn how to use it effectively before ventilating your pique in public. Paul -------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett P. O. Box 857 Vienna, VA 22183-0857 U.S.A. Finger, keyserver, or WWW for PGP 2.6.2 public key URL: http://www.access.digex.net/~pobart -------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 8 13:37:28 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13211; Fri, 8 Dec 95 13:37:28 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04689; Fri, 8 Dec 95 13:29:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from dcdsv0.fnal.gov by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04683; Fri, 8 Dec 95 13:29:24 -0800 Received: from localhost by dcdsv0.fnal.gov via SMTP (950215.SGI.8.6.10/940406.SGI) for id PAA17473; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 15:29:23 -0600 Message-Id: <199512082129.PAA17473@dcdsv0.fnal.gov> X-Mailer: exmh version 1_6_1a To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Tool to write/update MH folders of arbitrary depth into .pinerc In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 04 Dec 1995 09:09:38 CST." <30C30122.74FD@stpd001.gteds.gtenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 08 Dec 1995 15:29:22 CST From: Clyde Moseberry If anyone is interested in my posting or emailing a script that writes/updates MH ($HOME/Mail) folders of arbitrary depth into $HOME/.pinerc's folder-collections. I got tired of asking/looking for such functionality, so I composed it myself. MOSEBERRY From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 8 13:48:57 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13704; Fri, 8 Dec 95 13:48:57 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06613; Fri, 8 Dec 95 13:43:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06603; Fri, 8 Dec 95 13:42:56 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOAXe-00038DC; Fri, 8 Dec 95 13:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: peter@nmti.com (Peter da Silva) Subject: cmsg cancel <4aa6a0$302@zuul.nmti.com> Control: cancel <4aa6a0$302@zuul.nmti.com> Date: 8 Dec 1995 20:16:24 GMT Message-Id: <4aa6eo$376@zuul.nmti.com> <4aa6a0$302@zuul.nmti.com> was cancelled from within trn. -- Peter da Silva (NIC: PJD2) `-_-' 1601 Industrial Boulevard Bailey Network Management 'U` Sugar Land, TX 77487-5013 +1 713 274 5180 "Har du kramat din varg idag?" USA Bailey pays for my technical expertise. My opinions probably scare them From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 8 14:03:01 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14542; Fri, 8 Dec 95 14:03:01 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05547; Fri, 8 Dec 95 13:58:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05539; Fri, 8 Dec 95 13:57:58 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOAkA-00038DC; Fri, 8 Dec 95 13:54 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sven.hennig@wiesbaden.netsurf.de (Sven Hennig) Date: 8 Dec 1995 20:16:45 GMT Message-Id: Subject: cmsg cancel <4a9acb$i6m@luna.vistec.com> Control: cancel <4a9acb$i6m@luna.vistec.com> Spam cancelled by clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 8 14:52:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17209; Fri, 8 Dec 95 14:52:31 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08481; Fri, 8 Dec 95 14:43:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08475; Fri, 8 Dec 95 14:43:04 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOBRI-00038DC; Fri, 8 Dec 95 14:38 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Tim Pierce Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Message-Id: References: Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 20:54:31 GMT In article , Terry Gray wrote: >The concept of which newsgroups a message thread originated in is an >entirely different one, and using the same header for both is "at best, >ill-advised", rn apologists notwithstanding. So it's ill-advised. You know something? It's too late. It's an ill-advised feature which has become part of over a decade of Usenet software tradition. When you send a reply via private mail to a public message, the private reply has a "Newsgroups" header. I would have expected a 20-year veteran of ARPAnet/Internet messaging software to be aware of this in advance. You cannot hope to reverse such a thoroughly entrenched convention as this one simply by saying "we don't like it." Any programmer with an ounce of sense knows that, and the PINE team's obstinacy in this regard continues to mystify me. >Like I said, I don't want to see another extended and pointless argument >about this, so I'll stop now, and we can agree to disagree. Since Pine >3.92 will include a work-around for the rn behavior, the issue is moot. Well, I'm eager to continue an extended and pointless argument about it, and I don't think the issue is moot. You guys wrote a bug. That's all -- end of story. (How do I know it's a bug? Because it is a feature that is frequently and consistently misunderstood by people at all levels of expertise: newbies, net veterans, computer neophytes, PINE wizards, and everyone in between. That is practically the very definition of a user interface bug.) An important part of responsible and skillful software design is knowing when you've fucked up. Fucking up infrequently is a good trait, and being able to fix your fuck-ups when they occur is critical, but you also need to be able to recognize and admit to your fuck-ups. In this case, you are so insistent upon not admitting that you've fucked up -- some bizarre, misplaced sense of pride? has Crispin laid an Arrogance Field upon you all from which you are powerless to escape? -- that you've allowed your fuck-up to persist for over a year, to nobody's gain and everybody's loss. Even when it comes to the point where you cannot help but fix the fuck-up, it is more important to you that people not believe it was actually your fuck-up. The idea that it was rn's fuck-up is ludicrous. This is the very worst behavior that I have seen from a design team in years. You guys should go work for Netscape or something. You really expect people to trust your software with their private communications? No, Terry. The point is most definitely not moot. -- By sending unsolicited commercially-oriented e-mail to this address, the sender agrees to pay a $100 flat fee to the recipient for proofreading services. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 8 15:02:11 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17867; Fri, 8 Dec 95 15:02:11 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07293; Fri, 8 Dec 95 14:58:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07287; Fri, 8 Dec 95 14:58:08 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOBhD-00038DC; Fri, 8 Dec 95 14:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ag786@yfn.ysu.edu (Barry Bouwsma) Subject: Re: Pine, rimapd, and UnixWare... Date: 8 Dec 1995 04:41:59 GMT Message-Id: <4a8fmn$qf3@news.ysu.edu> References: <818345800.6469@tamarix.demon.co.uk> <4a6hrp$18c@news.ysu.edu> In a previous article, andrew@tamarix.demon.co.uk (Andrew Josey) says: >: I am attempting to use Pine3.91 for UnixWare, presumably obtained >: from the usle archives at ftp.novell.de or equivalent, as an IMAP and >: SMTP client program. This should be attempting to execute the command: >: rsh IMAPHOST exec /etc/rimapd > >This looks like a TCP/IP issue not Pine. I don't think so -- I can successfully execute this command entered by hand at the shell prompt right before starting Pine, which apparently meets with failure, or else seems not to call the rsh. Is it possible that Pine might be trying the restricted shell? Has anybody successfully used Pine this way (passwordless authentication) with a remote IMAP server from UnixWare? Thanks... -- Barry Bouwsma, Mendel University Brno, Czech Republic -- I Still Have No Life Flash! Seeking work with computers over winter in Czech or Slovak Republic... (or Austria, Switzerland, Germany...) send offers to This sig is five lines long. Check your newsreader configuration if you do not From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 8 16:51:00 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22057; Fri, 8 Dec 95 16:51:00 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12021; Fri, 8 Dec 95 16:43:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12013; Fri, 8 Dec 95 16:43:21 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tODJa-00038DC; Fri, 8 Dec 95 16:38 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lynch.94@osu.edu (Jerry Lynch) Subject: Re: spell check in Linux Date: 8 Dec 1995 18:09:46 -0500 Message-Id: References: The following was posted a while back on comp.mail.pine. Just save the following as /usr/bin/spell. (Be sure to chmod a+x /usr/bin/spell.) If you want to actually use ispell for spell checking, set the "alternate editor" to /usr/bin/ispell -x. Jerry ---------------------------------------------------------------- /usr/bin/spell ---------------------------------------------------------------- #! /bin/sh # # A front-end to ispell which allows it to act like the "spell" program # By: Christopher Neufeld # case $# in 0) ispell -l | sort | uniq ;; *) cat $@ | ispell -l | sort | uniq ;; esac ---------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 8 16:52:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22121; Fri, 8 Dec 95 16:52:12 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10327; Fri, 8 Dec 95 16:48:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10321; Fri, 8 Dec 95 16:48:21 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tODPQ-00038DC; Fri, 8 Dec 95 16:45 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lynch.94@osu.edu (Jerry Lynch) Subject: Re: using ispell with pine Date: 8 Dec 1995 18:09:52 -0500 Message-Id: References: <9512041355.AA00099@khuzama.ccse.kfupm.edu.sa> On 4 Dec 1995, Suhaib Khan wrote: > Apologies if this has been answered n times before - we do not have full > internet access at this site. > > Is is possible to use the interactive spell checker ispell with pine > to check composed messages before they are sent? > > Please email you reply to: suhaib@ccse.kfupm.edu.sa > > regards, > Suhaib Khan > Option 1: Set your "alternate editor" to: /usr/bin/ispell -x Option 2: You can recompile applying the following patch written by John R. Violette and modified by me to invoke "ispell -x" instead of "ispell" (so you don't collect a bunch of backup files all over the place). Jerry ------------------------------------------------------------------- *** ../pine3.91//pico/ebind.h Wed Jun 15 18:18:25 1994 --- .//pico/ebind.h Wed Aug 9 11:06:32 1995 *************** *** 99,107 **** {CTRL|'O', suspend_composer}, {CTRL|'P', backline}, {CTRL|'R', insfile}, ! #ifdef SPELLER ! {CTRL|'T', spell}, ! #endif /* SPELLER */ {CTRL|'U', yank}, {CTRL|'V', forwpage}, {CTRL|'W', forwsearch}, --- 99,107 ---- {CTRL|'O', suspend_composer}, {CTRL|'P', backline}, {CTRL|'R', insfile}, ! #ifdef SPELLER ! {CTRL|'T', ispell}, ! #endif {CTRL|'U', yank}, {CTRL|'V', forwpage}, {CTRL|'W', forwsearch}, *************** *** 155,163 **** {CTRL|'O', filewrite}, {CTRL|'P', backline}, {CTRL|'R', insfile}, ! #ifdef SPELLER ! {CTRL|'T', spell}, ! #endif /* SPELLER */ {CTRL|'U', yank}, {CTRL|'V', forwpage}, {CTRL|'W', forwsearch}, --- 155,163 ---- {CTRL|'O', filewrite}, {CTRL|'P', backline}, {CTRL|'R', insfile}, ! #ifdef SPELLER ! {CTRL|'T', ispell}, ! #endif {CTRL|'U', yank}, {CTRL|'V', forwpage}, {CTRL|'W', forwsearch}, *** ../pine3.91//pico/efunc.h Tue Sep 27 12:04:00 1994 --- .//pico/efunc.h Wed Aug 9 11:07:55 1995 *************** *** 243,251 **** extern int readpattern(char *); extern int forscan(int *, char *, int); ! /* spell.c */ #ifdef SPELLER ! extern int spell(int, int); #endif /* window.c */ --- 243,251 ---- extern int readpattern(char *); extern int forscan(int *, char *, int); ! /* os_unix.c */ #ifdef SPELLER ! extern int ispell(int, int); #endif /* window.c */ *************** *** 446,454 **** extern int readpattern(); extern int forscan(); ! /* spell.c */ #ifdef SPELLER ! extern int spell(); #endif /* window.c */ --- 446,454 ---- extern int readpattern(); extern int forscan(); ! /* os_unix.c */ #ifdef SPELLER ! extern int ispell(); #endif /* window.c */ *** ../pine3.91//pico/os_unix.c Mon Oct 10 19:28:57 1994 --- .//pico/os_unix.c Wed Aug 9 11:34:17 1995 *************** *** 676,681 **** --- 676,811 ---- } + /* + /* + * ispell - fork off ispell while in message composition + * ispell support added by John R. Violette Bell Canada + * due to pine FAQ suggestion of using alternate editor + * and setting to ispell to use ispell but then one + * can't have an alternate editor so I made the CTRL-T + * binding call ispell which is a stripped down version + * of alt_editor + */ + ispell(f, n) + { + char eb[NLINE]; /* buf holding edit command */ + char *fn; /* tmp holder for file name */ + char *cp; + char *args[MAXARGS]; /* ptrs into edit command */ + char *writetmp(); + int child, pid, i, done = 0; + long l; + #if defined(POSIX) || defined(sv3) || defined(COHERENT) || defined(isc) || defined(neb) + int stat; + #else + union wait stat; + #endif + FILE *p; + SIGTYPE (*ohup)(), (*oint)(), (*osize)(), (*ostop)(), (*ostart)(); + + /* hack by JRV Bell Canada to hard-code ispell to CTRL-T in compose of + pine */ + strcpy(eb, SPELLER); + + if((fn=writetmp(0, 1)) == NULL){ /* get temp file */ + emlwrite("Problem writing temp file for alt editor", NULL); + return(-1); + } + + strcat(eb, " "); + strcat(eb, fn); + + cp = eb; + for(i=0; *cp != '\0';i++){ /* build args array */ + if(i < MAXARGS){ + args[i] = NULL; /* in case we break out */ + } + else{ + emlwrite("Too many args for command!", NULL); + return(-1); + } + + while(isspace(*cp)) + if(*cp != '\0') + cp++; + else + break; + + args[i] = cp; + + while(!isspace(*cp)) + if(*cp != '\0') + cp++; + else + break; + + if(*cp != '\0') + *cp++ = '\0'; + } + + args[i] = NULL; + + if(Pmaster) + (*Pmaster->raw_io)(0); /* turn OFF raw mode */ + + emlwrite("Invoking speller...", NULL); + + if(child=fork()){ /* wait for the child to finish */ + ohup = signal(SIGHUP, SIG_IGN); /* ignore signals for now */ + oint = signal(SIGINT, SIG_IGN); + #ifdef TIOCGWINSZ + osize = signal(SIGWINCH, SIG_IGN); + #endif + + /* + * BUG - wait should be made non-blocking and mail_pings or something + * need to be done in the loop to keep the imap stream alive + */ + while((pid=(int)wait(&stat)) != child) + ; + + signal(SIGHUP, ohup); /* restore signals */ + signal(SIGINT, oint); + #ifdef TIOCGWINSZ + signal(SIGWINCH, osize); + #endif + } + else{ /* spawn editor */ + signal(SIGHUP, SIG_DFL); /* let editor handle signals */ + signal(SIGINT, SIG_DFL); + #ifdef TIOCGWINSZ + signal(SIGWINCH, SIG_DFL); + #endif + + if(execvp(args[0], args) < 0) { + if (errno == ENOENT) { + emlwrite("\007Error: can't execute %s; not in $PATH", SPELLER); + } else { + emlwrite("\007Error: can't execute %s; system error", SPELLER); + } + sleep(3); + exit(1); + } + } + + if(Pmaster) + (*Pmaster->raw_io)(1); /* turn ON raw mode */ + + /* + * replace edited text with new text + */ + curbp->b_flag &= ~BFCHG; /* make sure old text gets blasted */ + readin(fn, 0); /* read new text overwriting old */ + unlink(fn); /* blast temp file */ + curbp->b_flag |= BFCHG; /* mark dirty for packbuf() */ + + /* JRV only need if in Pine not Pico standalone */ + if(Pmaster) + ttopen(); /* reset the signals */ + refresh(0, 1); /* redraw */ + return(0); + } + /* * bktoshell - suspend and wait to be woken up *** ../pine3.91//pico/os_unix.h Mon Oct 10 19:29:05 1994 --- .//pico/os_unix.h Wed Aug 9 11:05:31 1995 *************** *** 130,141 **** /* * What and where the tool that checks spelling is located. If this is * undefined, then the spelling checker is not compiled into pico. */ ! #if defined(COHERENT) || defined(AUX) ! #define SPELLER "/bin/spell" ! #else ! #define SPELLER "/usr/bin/spell" ! #endif /* memcpy() is no good for overlapping blocks. If that's a problem, use * the memmove() in ../c-client --- 130,139 ---- /* * What and where the tool that checks spelling is located. If this is * undefined, then the spelling checker is not compiled into pico. + * ispell support added by John R. Violette Bell Canada jviolett@on.bell.ca + * ispell must be in the user's path. */ ! #define SPELLER "ispell -x" /* memcpy() is no good for overlapping blocks. If that's a problem, use * the memmove() in ../c-client From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 8 18:02:11 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24820; Fri, 8 Dec 95 18:02:11 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13902; Fri, 8 Dec 95 17:58:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13896; Fri, 8 Dec 95 17:58:31 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOEV8-00038DC; Fri, 8 Dec 95 17:54 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: adreyer@uni-paderborn.de (Achim Dreyer) Subject: Re: Mime text (ISO-8859-1) Date: 7 Dec 1995 15:43:07 GMT Message-Id: <4a722b$jbo@news.uni-paderborn.de> References: Jason Saling (p761007@gulfaero.com) wrote: : Hey, Hey, : Here is my situation. I as the unix sys admin receive mail from many : MAC users (msmail) who login to the unix servers. When I receive : their messages it appears to be in MIME format, therefore I must : press V to view the text (Latin text ISO-8859-1) of their messages. : This is not a big task, but after 5000000000000 times it can become : annoying. : Is there a way to have pine automagically display the text when you : select a message?????? Main Menu -> Setup -> Config change "character-set" to ISO-8859-1 .. that's all! : Thanks, : Jason Cheers, Achim From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 8 23:33:57 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00757; Fri, 8 Dec 95 23:33:57 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17202; Fri, 8 Dec 95 23:29:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17190; Fri, 8 Dec 95 23:29:12 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOJho-00038DC; Fri, 8 Dec 95 23:28 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ag786@yfn.ysu.edu (Barry Bouwsma) Subject: Pine, rimapd, and UnixWare... Date: 7 Dec 1995 11:06:33 GMT Message-Id: <4a6hrp$18c@news.ysu.edu> Seeking out-of-the-box-compiled Pine3.91 for UnixWare... I am attempting to use Pine3.91 for UnixWare, presumably obtained from the usle archives at ftp.novell.de or equivalent, as an IMAP and SMTP client program. This should be attempting to execute the command: rsh IMAPHOST exec /etc/rimapd I am successful with Pine on other platforms. I am able to make the connection with no need to enter username and password, but when making the connection from the pre-compiled UnixWare version, I am always asked for login name and password. I'm trying to migrate to a client-server model with one central host handling all the mail instead of spreading the delivery across many machines. (Yes, being asked to debug the fourth vendor-supplied version of sendmail.cf was too much.) From this UnixWare host, I am able to manually enter the command above and receive the PREAUTH login, meaning it *should* work from Pine. Also, using Pine from another machine meets with success, so my suspicion was that the UnixWare Pine was somehow not attempting this command. (No, with no compiler here, I can't compile, and the idea behind the UnixWear server is that it's a plug-and-pray machine requiring as little administration as possible.) On the imaphost machine, the tcp_wrapper package is running, logging these rsh connections or attempts. So, I decided I would look at the log of connects, since the Pine debug file, even at level 9, shows no indication of the failure of the rsh attempt. My manual rsh attempts are logged from the machine. But when I try to run Pine on the same machine, there is nothing logged. This leads me to strongly suspect that the UnixWare version does not attempt the rsh for preauthenticated login, and instead goes straight to the port 143 connect with manual login and password entry. Can somebody confirm this? And better, can someone provide a pointer to a binary of Pine which will run on UnixWare 1.1.4 and will attempt this rsh login? Your help would be greatly appreciated -- without this, this school will stick to having every host handle its own mail, with totally different sendmails, and a much bigger administrative headache... Thanks... -- Barry Bouwsma, Mendel University Brno, Czech Republic -- I Still Have No Life Flash! Seeking work with computers over winter in Czech or Slovak Republic... (or Austria, Switzerland, Germany...) send offers to This sig is five lines long. Check your newsreader configuration if you do not From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 9 00:15:14 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01428; Sat, 9 Dec 95 00:15:14 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19411; Sat, 9 Dec 95 00:09:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19404; Sat, 9 Dec 95 00:09:18 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOKGc-00038DC; Sat, 9 Dec 95 00:04 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Sunataya Samkoses - isdp - 3571256 Subject: do you know how to use WWW Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 23:46:38 +0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi :) My name is Dao and I am a new internet user. I don't understand how to use WWW or world wide web. I am now using an internet from DOS . i actually have the one that use with window but it does not work right now because it say It can not connect with my modem , but when I use it with dos it is OK . I really don't get it . I try to learn how to use an internet so I just found this newsgrps, I hope someone can help me . I can not find my friend who know the problem . I also would like to know what is Lynx, Mosaic, Netscape what are they and how can I get in . I am very blank now Thanks for replying Sunataya Samkoses U3571256@mahidol.ac.th From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 9 00:30:48 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01640; Sat, 9 Dec 95 00:30:48 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18040; Sat, 9 Dec 95 00:24:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18034; Sat, 9 Dec 95 00:24:23 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOKVK-00038DC; Sat, 9 Dec 95 00:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: steck@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Steckler) Subject: Re: IMAP - New mail notification Message-Id: References: <49pibo$2afu@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 11:53:32 GMT In article <49pibo$2afu@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> rob@happy.com writes: >Is there a version of biff (or some other program) that could notify me when new >mail arrives even though we have imap installed and in use. If pine is running it >contact the server and see but I don't want to be running pine all the time to >check for new messages. Any help would greatly be appreciated. > >rob If you're running Windows, try my WinBiff program, at http://www.tucows.com/files/wnbff32.zip. The next version, due any day now, will allow you to specify mailboxes other than the default inbox. -- Paul -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Paul Steckler | World-Wide Web: | | steck@dcs.ed.ac.uk | URL = http://www.dcs.ed.ac.uk/home/steck | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 9 00:42:39 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01975; Sat, 9 Dec 95 00:42:39 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19839; Sat, 9 Dec 95 00:39:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19833; Sat, 9 Dec 95 00:39:24 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOKoG-00038DC; Sat, 9 Dec 95 00:39 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: andrea@pX1.stfx.ca (John Andrea) Subject: feature request Date: 4 Dec 95 17:48:20 GMT Message-Id: >From the To: field it would be nice to be able to connect to a CCSO server. Potentally, with the ability to keep the name of the server in an addressbook so that one could do a lookup later. -- __________________________________________________________________ John Andrea St. Francis Xavier Univ. University Computer Services Antigonish, NS, CANADA B2G 2W5 http://www.stfx.ca/people/jandrea/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 9 01:27:30 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02853; Sat, 9 Dec 95 01:27:30 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20450; Sat, 9 Dec 95 01:24:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20444; Sat, 9 Dec 95 01:24:32 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOLVE-00038EC; Sat, 9 Dec 95 01:23 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: andrew@tamarix.demon.co.uk (Andrew Josey) Subject: Re: Pine, rimapd, and UnixWare... Date: Thu, 07 Dec 1995 14:16:40 GMT Message-Id: <818345800.6469@tamarix.demon.co.uk> References: <4a6hrp$18c@news.ysu.edu> Barry Bouwsma (ag786@yfn.ysu.edu) wrote: : Seeking out-of-the-box-compiled Pine3.91 for UnixWare... : I am attempting to use Pine3.91 for UnixWare, presumably obtained : from the usle archives at ftp.novell.de or equivalent, as an IMAP and : SMTP client program. This should be attempting to execute the command: : rsh IMAPHOST exec /etc/rimapd This looks like a TCP/IP issue not Pine. Andrew From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 9 01:28:08 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02880; Sat, 9 Dec 95 01:28:08 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18851; Sat, 9 Dec 95 01:24:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18845; Sat, 9 Dec 95 01:24:30 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOLVE-00038DC; Sat, 9 Dec 95 01:23 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Re: Forwarding messages and .signatures Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 09:01:02 -0500 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On 6 Dec 1995, Brian T. Zimmer wrote: > Whenever I forward a message, the signature appears at the top of the > message. However, in all other cases, the signature appears at the > bottom. I have signature at bottom turned on. What is the problem?? There is no problem. This is the way it works, like it or not. Paul -------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett P. O. Box 857 Vienna, VA 22183-0857 U.S.A. Finger, keyserver, or WWW for PGP 2.6.2 public key URL: http://www.access.digex.net/~pobart -------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 9 03:01:43 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04320; Sat, 9 Dec 95 03:01:43 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19947; Sat, 9 Dec 95 02:53:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from sun1srvr.vszbr.cz by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19941; Sat, 9 Dec 95 02:53:29 -0800 Received: from mendel (mendel.vszbr.cz) by sun1srvr.vszbr.cz id AA20037; Sat, 9 Dec 95 11:51:45 +0100 Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 11:55:39 +0000 (GMT) From: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?krem=BEsk=E1_HO=D8=C8ICE?= X-Sender: sepp@mendel Reply-To: Barry Bouwsma To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Cc: barryb@tuke.sk Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy In-Reply-To: <49to4s$l52@netaxs.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On 4 Dec 1995, Michael Handler wrote: > Lloyd Wood (L.Wood@surrey.ac.uk) wrote: > > Posting private email is bad form on usenet, yet pine encourages you > > to do it. I am severely peeved. I can't believe that a program as > > mature as pine is can have this goddam awful behaviour. > > Mark Crispin and the PINE team: here is _yet_another_ example of how > PINE's misinterpretation of the Newsgroups: header in a _private_ > email message has caused someone great harm and chagrin. Well. I just had the *opposite* problem. I *wanted* to post a follow-up to a newsgroup, based on an e-mail copy I had sent myself of an article which I had posted to Usenet. The e-mail copy was sent to my mailbox which I access with IMAP. It contained the Newsgroups: header. For the life of me, I could not get Pine to ask me if I wanted to post to the newsgroup, much less to ask if I could confirm that thousands of readers might be reading the message and killfiling me, and I'd be costing hundreds of not hundreds of thousands of dollars, so do I really want to post this. It seems that I had the behaviour everyone has been clamoring for, but that's not what I wanted. What have I done wrong? I was using 3.91 on SGI, the message in the IMAP mailbox arrived with From:, cc:, Reply-To:, and Newsgroups: -- Pine ignored the last of these and only asked questions based on the first three. Sigh... Barry Bouwsma MZLU v Brn=EC, =C8R (Czechistan) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 9 07:03:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08362; Sat, 9 Dec 95 07:03:31 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24729; Sat, 9 Dec 95 06:55:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mail.sni.de by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24723; Sat, 9 Dec 95 06:55:32 -0800 Received: (from nerv@localhost) by nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA27087 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Sat, 9 Dec 1995 15:53:21 +0100 Received: from ao5.mow.sni.de (itspc5.mow.sni.de [149.202.148.207]) by itsmx1.mow.sni.de (8.7.2/8.7.2) with SMTP id RAA17411 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 1995 17:55:12 +0300 (OET) Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 17:55:46 +0300 (EET) From: Andrej Borsenkow Reply-To: borsenkow.msk@sni.de To: Pine Mailing list Subject: Are Unix and PC versions identical? X-Sender: bor@itsmx1.mow.sni.de Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, folks! Can anybody tell if the Unix and PC versions of Pine are identical? I have following problem: Pine 3.91 source distribution, compiled without any changes; PC Pine for Windows 3.91 (if I can trust the header). The problem is, PC Pine won't post News article when replying. That is, I have mail with Newsgroup: header, press R)eply, am aksed about text inclusion (or not, if set-up to not do so) and got NO question about Followup. If R)eplying to the SAME message on Unix - it works fine. Is it a bug or a feature? I find it at least annoying, not to be able to trust the program. I cannot tell, looking at code, ANY difference in Setup, which can influence such behavior. PC Pine just doesn't do it. BTW if I choose to followup, I loose the To: header; I would like at least to be asked if I want Follow-Up ONLY or also reply to sender. thanks in advance ---------------------------------------------------- Andrej Borsenkow E-Mail: borsenkow.msk@sni.de SNI ITS, Moscow Phone: +7 (095) 252 13 88 ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 9 07:24:01 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08637; Sat, 9 Dec 95 07:24:01 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23351; Sat, 9 Dec 95 07:15:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23345; Sat, 9 Dec 95 07:15:15 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOQxf-00038EC; Sat, 9 Dec 95 07:13 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Ray Marshall Subject: Re: Forwarding messages and .signatures Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 12:02:43 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On 6 Dec 1995, Brian T. Zimmer wrote: > Whenever I forward a message, the signature appears at the top of the > message. However, in all other cases, the signature appears at the > bottom. I have signature at bottom turned on. What is the problem?? You're right! According to the help text (when configuring), your sig file is only put at the bottom on a REPLY, i.e. it says nothing about FORWARD. But, let's reflect on this a moment... When one replies to a message, one normally want's the original text up first, and responses after the text they apply to. So, it makes sense to put the final signature at the bottom of the whole message. However, when one forwards a message, an explanatory comment is usually put before the forwarded message, and it makes sense to "sign" that text separate from the whole mail message. Putting the signature after the forwarded message sort of implies that you're signing someone else's message... hmmmm. To me the current functionality seems to make more sense. As for your question, I don't believe there IS a problem. Although I haven't used many other Email systems, those I have used function just the same way as pine does. I suspect that it's functioning exactly as it was designed to. Now, if you would like an option to put your sig file AFTER your forwarded message, you can make a request for that new feature. But, realize that pine is OFFICIALLY for those at the University of Washington; and the rest of us use it through their generosity and good will. In other words, you can make a request, and they MAY honor it, but you have no right to expect that they WILL honor it. Peace / Ray -----------------------------------+--------------------------------- Raymond E. Marshall | My opinions are not necessarily NorTel, Customer Service | endorsed by my employer, etc. RTP NC, USA 919-992-4731 Alternate access: raym@vnet.net From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 9 07:49:19 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09054; Sat, 9 Dec 95 07:49:19 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25356; Sat, 9 Dec 95 07:45:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25350; Sat, 9 Dec 95 07:45:19 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tORQB-00038DC; Sat, 9 Dec 95 07:42 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: holmberg@upp.promotor.telia.se (Johan Holmberg) Subject: A single '.' on a line (RFC1521 vs. PINE) Date: 09 Dec 1995 15:17:23 +0100 Message-Id: <63pwdytj7w.fsf@promotor.telia.se> Hi ! >From RFC 1521: (7) Some mail transport agents will corrupt data that includes certain literal strings. In particular, a period (".") alone on a line is known to be corrupted by some (incorrect) SMTP implementations, and a line that starts with the five characters "From " (the fifth character is a SPACE) are commonly corrupted as well. A careful composition agent can prevent these corruptions by encoding the data (e.g., in the quoted-printable encoding, "=46rom " in place of "From " at the start of a line, and "=2E" in place of "." alone on a line. As far as I can see PINE 3.91 handles "From " but not the single '.'. The handling of "From " is controlled by the compile time define 'ENCODE_FROMS'. I have looked through the code but can't find any corresponding code for handling of '.'. Have I missed something or was this intentionally left out from PINE 3.91 ? Its all to common that buggy MTA's interpret '.' as the end of the mail. Even if I have a correct MTA myself I can't controll the receiving end (or intermediate MTA's). /johan holmberg -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Johan Holmberg Email: holmberg@upp.promotor.telia.se Telia Promotor AB Phone: +46 18 18 94 55 Box 1218 Mobile: +46 70 528 94 55 751 42 Uppsala, SWEDEN Fax: +46 18 18 94 99 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 9 08:34:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09895; Sat, 9 Dec 95 08:34:25 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24302; Sat, 9 Dec 95 08:26:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mail.sni.de by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24296; Sat, 9 Dec 95 08:26:32 -0800 Received: (from nerv@localhost) by nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA28565 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Sat, 9 Dec 1995 17:24:24 +0100 Received: from ao5.mow.sni.de (itspc5.mow.sni.de [149.202.148.207]) by itsmx1.mow.sni.de (8.7.3/8.7.2) with SMTP id TAA17978 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 1995 19:26:17 +0300 (OET) Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 19:26:54 +0300 (EET) From: Andrej Borsenkow Reply-To: borsenkow.msk@sni.de To: Pine Mailing list Subject: VERY! long sorting of folders X-Sender: bor@itsmx1.mow.sni.de Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, all! I already posted it, but it is getting really bad. I wasn't able for one week to look into my post. When I tried to do it, I had (for example) one folder with 99 messages (nice value) and other (pine-info! surprise) with 250 and some. It took 2 minutes 24 seconds to sort first and over 10 minutes the second!!! I have PC Pine 3.91 for Windows with all folders remote - direct on LAN (mailhost is 1m from PC). I OFTEN am off somwhere for one-two weeks. I try to distribute the mail as much as possible. But still I have at times such sutuation with grown folders. ELM opens such folder at once; even Pine on Unix (without IMAP) makes it VERY fast. So it seems to be the problem of PC Pine. It makes it impossible to use Pine for News-reading. I have 1.5KB/s link, and have to wait one hour befor Pine sorts some news-group. I hope VERY MUCH that it will be changed in next version. It is a pity to see such a (bug?) in otherwise excellent program regards ---------------------------------------------------- Andrej Borsenkow E-Mail: borsenkow.msk@sni.de SNI ITS, Moscow Phone: +7 (095) 252 13 88 ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 9 10:20:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11402; Sat, 9 Dec 95 10:20:42 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25852; Sat, 9 Dec 95 10:15:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25846; Sat, 9 Dec 95 10:15:37 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOTkF-00038DC; Sat, 9 Dec 95 10:11 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: peter@nmti.com (Peter da Silva) Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 4 Dec 1995 19:05:49 GMT Message-Id: <49vgqd$5h6@zuul.nmti.com> References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> In article , Paul O Bartlett wrote: > Is the cutler to blame if the surgeon is clumsy with the > knife? If Pine was only intended for use by surgeons, it'd be OK of the handle was sharpened. But it's not... > Pine is a good product. Learn how to use it effectively before > ventilating your pique in public. Pine is intended to be used by naive users. It should be designed to not surprise them. -- Peter da Silva (NIC: PJD2) `-_-' 1601 Industrial Boulevard Bailey Network Management 'U` Sugar Land, TX 77487-5013 +1 713 274 5180 "Har du kramat din varg idag?" USA Bailey pays for my technical expertise. My opinions probably scare them From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 9 12:29:50 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14050; Sat, 9 Dec 95 12:29:50 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29590; Sat, 9 Dec 95 12:25:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29584; Sat, 9 Dec 95 12:25:54 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOVmm-00038DC; Sat, 9 Dec 95 12:22 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pegboy@gti.gti.net (++ Pegboy ++) Subject: forwarding mail to another address Date: 9 Dec 1995 14:19:46 -0500 Message-Id: <4acngi$ge9@gti.gti.net> Hi! I was wondering if Pine is able to forward mail that comes in on one of my address's, to my other (and most used) address? Thanks in advance! Chris pegboy@gti.net pbmax@ungabunga.com http://www.gti.net/pegboy From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 9 13:34:08 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15452; Sat, 9 Dec 95 13:34:08 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00645; Sat, 9 Dec 95 13:24:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from comm1.ab.umd.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00639; Sat, 9 Dec 95 13:24:41 -0800 Received: from umabnet.ab.umd.edu (umabnet.ab.umd.edu [134.192.1.6]) by comm1.ab.umd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA28544 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 1995 16:28:19 -0500 Received: by umabnet.ab.umd.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA44128; Sat, 9 Dec 1995 16:23:41 -0500 Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 16:23:41 -0500 (EST) From: Dean Kirschner To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: access to chat on the internet? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am accessing the internet and PINE through University of Maryland at Baltimore. I am trying to find out how to access the chat. Would you have any idea of what to do to access the chat mode in the internet? Thanks Dean From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 9 14:29:50 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16474; Sat, 9 Dec 95 14:29:50 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29859; Sat, 9 Dec 95 14:26:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29853; Sat, 9 Dec 95 14:26:08 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOXe1-00038DC; Sat, 9 Dec 95 14:21 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mccrae@hweng.syr.ge.com Subject: Announcing new mail Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 12:04:57 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've successfully compiled the Pine source code on a Sun4 system. It seems to work well, except it does not notify me when new mail arrives, except that the new messages appear in the INBOX. I have seen Pine (on another system) print a message on the status line announcing there is new mail in INBOX and who has sent it. How do I get Pine to announce when new mail has arrived? Lotus ------------------------------ mccrae@hweng.syr.ge.com "What you are shouts so loudly in my ears I cannot hear what you say." --Ralph Waldo Emerson From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 9 14:30:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16535; Sat, 9 Dec 95 14:30:31 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01507; Sat, 9 Dec 95 14:26:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01501; Sat, 9 Dec 95 14:26:15 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOXe2-00038EC; Sat, 9 Dec 95 14:21 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dabrawn@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca (David Alan Brawn) Subject: Help! re:incoming mail folder??? Date: 7 Dec 1995 20:07:35 GMT Message-Id: <4a7hi7$15hg@ds2.acs.ucalgary.ca> I recieve alot of mail from one certain address. I was wondering if anybody knows if there is a way to automatically put this incoming mail into a separate folder to keep it away from my other mail. Many thanks, dabrawn@acs.ucalgary.ca From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 9 14:30:43 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16562; Sat, 9 Dec 95 14:30:43 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29867; Sat, 9 Dec 95 14:26:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29861; Sat, 9 Dec 95 14:26:18 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOXe3-00038HC; Sat, 9 Dec 95 14:21 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: grendel@netaxs.com (Michael Handler) Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 4 Dec 1995 19:26:55 GMT Message-Id: <49vi1v$k87@netaxs.com> References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> <49va8r$4jm@cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu> In article <49va8r$4jm@cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu>, Eli Brandt (eli@cs.cmu.edu) wrote: > Not having used Pine, I may be off base: if this feature is off by > default and gives a warning on activation, the user has only himself > to blame. The feature is always enabled -- there is no configuration option to disable it. This whole mess comes because PINE also tries to be a newsreader, and the code for the two functions is so tangled together that they can't stop this functionality for mail without adversely affecting newsreading. Or somesuch other lame excuse. -- Michael Handler Philadelphia, PA sweet and low From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 9 14:39:19 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16785; Sat, 9 Dec 95 14:39:19 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01673; Sat, 9 Dec 95 14:36:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01666; Sat, 9 Dec 95 14:36:09 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOXpZ-00038DC; Sat, 9 Dec 95 14:33 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Jordan Elias Massad Subject: PC Pine Where is it? Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 16:07:53 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Can someone tell me where I can find the PC Pine program? I am currently using the UNIX version at my school. If I use PC Pine, can I use all of the same config files from the UNIX version? (Is PC Pine Windows based?) Jordan From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 9 15:05:52 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17201; Sat, 9 Dec 95 15:05:52 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00469; Sat, 9 Dec 95 15:01:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00463; Sat, 9 Dec 95 15:01:12 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOYCR-00038EC; Sat, 9 Dec 95 14:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rpruess@yoyo.weeg.uiowa.edu (Rex Pruess) Subject: Pine/SGI-more than 24 lines/screen Date: 09 Dec 1995 12:01:30 -0600 Message-Id: I built pine-3.91 for SGI IRIX 5.3. Everything seems fine except for one annoying problem. Pine does not recognize that my remote sessions support more than 24 lines. I set the environmental variable LINES to 36 and all apps (e.g., emacs, more, man) acknowledge the 36 lines. Only Pine refuses to accept it. I should mention that if I connect to an AIX system, issue "stty rows 36" and then rlogin into my SGI, then Pine acknowledges the 36 lines. For fun, I rebuilt Pine with these parameters: #define USE_TERMINFO #define DEFAULT_LINES_ON_TERMINAL (36) But, no go, pine still insists on 24 lines. -- Rex Pruess, Information Technology Services, University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA e-mail: Rex-Pruess@uiowa.edu phone: 319-335-5452 fax: 319-335-5505 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 9 17:51:13 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20185; Sat, 9 Dec 95 17:51:13 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02693; Sat, 9 Dec 95 17:47:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from server.hamburg.netsurf.de by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02687; Sat, 9 Dec 95 17:47:41 -0800 Received: from mail.isys.net[193.96.224.33] by mail.hamburg.netsurf.de with smtp (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.1); id m0tOZxD-000sEjC; Sun, 10 Dec 95 02:49 GMT+0200 Received: from paddington by mail.isys.net with smtp (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.22); id ; Sun, 10 Dec 95 02:43 MEZ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 02:46:39 +0100 (MET) From: Michael.Joswig@Hamburg.NetSurf.DE X-Sender: michaelj@paddington To: ++ Pegboy ++ Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: forwarding mail to another address In-Reply-To: <4acngi$ge9@gti.gti.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 9 Dec 1995, ++ Pegboy ++ wrote: > > Hi! > I was wondering if Pine is able to forward mail that comes in on one of > my address's, to my other (and most used) address? Yes. just press F and enter the new address. But if you want to forward the email automagically, then you shouldn't ask the mailREADER for it, that's a job for the mailTRANSPORT. PINE is just a reader, so you may have luck and can create a file named ".forward" in your home-directory (without the quotes:-) ) containing the new address. This is the usual way on (most?) unix-systems. For PC, well, lucky me, I don't have to use one;-) Ciao, Michael > > Thanks in advance! > Chris > > pegboy@gti.net > pbmax@ungabunga.com > http://www.gti.net/pegboy > ================================================================ Michael J. Joswig michael.joswig@Hamburg.NetSurf.DE The people who really run organizations are usually found several levels down, where it is still possible to get things done. (Terry Pratchett, Small Gods) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 9 19:52:00 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22573; Sat, 9 Dec 95 19:52:00 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04330; Sat, 9 Dec 95 19:48:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from imi.imicro.com.205.42.206.IN-ADDR.ARPA by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04324; Sat, 9 Dec 95 19:48:47 -0800 Received: (from root@localhost) by imi.imicro.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id XAA00105; Sat, 9 Dec 1995 23:49:06 -0500 Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 23:49:05 -0500 (EST) From: root To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: INBOX (and others) READONLY after COLD BOOT Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm yet another Pine (Linux) user with locked INBOXes. I've seen dozens of references to this problem in the archives, but I haven't seen anything that tells me how to fix my system. I don't have multiple pine sessions open. I cant see any problems with my /var/spool/mail files, etc. Where is this lock file? How can I reset the damded thing and get on with my life??? matt From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 9 21:07:10 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23747; Sat, 9 Dec 95 21:07:10 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06909; Sat, 9 Dec 95 21:01:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06903; Sat, 9 Dec 95 21:01:55 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOdpF-00038DC; Sat, 9 Dec 95 20:57 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: m.doherty@rl.ac.uk (Michael Richard Doherty) Subject: PINE on VMS (Not PMDF) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 1995 10:09:33 +0000 Message-Id: Hi I am currently trying to install the Yehavi Bourvine version of PINE (3.91b5) on my VMS system, but I have a few problems... I have successfully installed the VAX VMS version using OpenVMS 6.2 Netlib 2.0 UCX 3.3 ECO #1 The only modfication I made to the code was to add the following line to [.c-client]vms_mail.c #define UCX 1 This was because the code has some #ifdef's for UCX (or so it appears). I have also added searches for "X-Mailer" and "X-sender" in the three functions for looking at RFC822 headers: (search(record, size, "x-mailer:", 9) == T) || (search(record, size, "x-sender:", 9) == T) || These were suggested to me by my colleague Alan Flavell at the University Of Glasgow. I compliled using VAXC, because I encountered some errors with the DECC complier i.e. CC = "CC/VAXC" I have encountered major problems with the Alpha version. I am running the same versions of the above software with DECC v5.0, rather than using the VAXC compiler. When I compile, I get the following warnings from [.c-client]vms_build.com %LINK-W-NUDFSYMS, 2 undefined symbols: %LINK-I-UDFSYM, MAILDRIVERS %LINK-I-UDFSYM, STDPROTO %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol STDPROTO referenced in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000250 in module OS_VMS file UDISK00:[DOHERTY.PINE.PINE3_91.C-CLIENT]OS_VMS.OBJ ;3 %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol MAILDRIVERS referenced in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000380 in module OS_VMS file UDISK00:[DOHERTY.PINE.PINE3_91.C-CLIENT]OS_VMS.OBJ ;3 This seems to be carried through to the [.pine]vmsbuild.com where I get the following warnings: %LINK-W-NUDFSYMS, 3 undefined symbols: %LINK-I-UDFSYM, MAILDRIVERS %LINK-I-UDFSYM, STDPROTO %LINK-I-UDFSYM, _CTYPE_ %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol _CTYPE_ referenced in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000578 in module PINE file UDISK00:[DOHERTY.PINE.PINE3_91.PINE]PINE.OBJ;2 %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol _CTYPE_ referenced in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000B50 in module ADDRBOOK file UDISK00:[DOHERTY.PINE.PINE3_91.PINE]PINE.OLB;2 %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol _CTYPE_ referenced in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000360 in module SCREEN file UDISK00:[DOHERTY.PINE.PINE3_91.PINE]PINE.OLB;2 %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol _CTYPE_ referenced in psect $LINK$ offset %X000008F0 in module MAILCMD file UDISK00:[DOHERTY.PINE.PINE3_91.PINE]PINE.OLB;2 %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol _CTYPE_ referenced in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000518 in module TTY_VMS file UDISK00:[DOHERTY.PINE.PINE3_91.PINE]PINE.OLB;2 %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol _CTYPE_ referenced in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000100 in module MAILINDX file UDISK00:[DOHERTY.PINE.PINE3_91.PINE]PINE.OLB;2 %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol _CTYPE_ referenced in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000030 in module STRINGS file UDISK00:[DOHERTY.PINE.PINE3_91.PINE]PINE.OLB;2 %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol _CTYPE_ referenced in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000460 in module SEND file UDISK00:[DOHERTY.PINE.PINE3_91.PINE]PINE.OLB;2 %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol _CTYPE_ referenced in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000050 in module IMAP file UDISK00:[DOHERTY.PINE.PINE3_91.PINE]PINE.OLB;2 %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol _CTYPE_ referenced in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000018 in module REPLY file UDISK00:[DOHERTY.PINE.PINE3_91.PINE]PINE.OLB;2 %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol _CTYPE_ referenced in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000340 in module FOLDER file UDISK00:[DOHERTY.PINE.PINE3_91.PINE]PINE.OLB;2 %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol _CTYPE_ referenced in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000020 in module MAILPART file UDISK00:[DOHERTY.PINE.PINE3_91.PINE]PINE.OLB;2 %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol _CTYPE_ referenced in psect $LINK$ offset %X000003F0 in module STATUS file UDISK00:[DOHERTY.PINE.PINE3_91.PINE]PINE.OLB;2 %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol _CTYPE_ referenced in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000250 in module MAILVIEW file UDISK00:[DOHERTY.PINE.PINE3_91.PINE]PINE.OLB;2 %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol _CTYPE_ referenced in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000390 in module INIT file UDISK00:[DOHERTY.PINE.PINE3_91.PINE]PINE.OLB;2 %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol _CTYPE_ referenced in psect $LINK$ offset %X000005B0 in module FILTER file UDISK00:[DOHERTY.PINE.PINE3_91.PINE]PINE.OLB;2 %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol _CTYPE_ referenced in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000150 in module HELP file UDISK00:[DOHERTY.PINE.PINE3_91.PINE]PINE.OLB;2 %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol _CTYPE_ referenced in psect $LINK$ offset %X000001B0 in module OTHER file UDISK00:[DOHERTY.PINE.PINE3_91.PINE]PINE.OLB;2 %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol _CTYPE_ referenced in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000200 in module MAILCAP file UDISK00:[DOHERTY.PINE.PINE3_91.PINE]PINE.OLB;2 %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol _CTYPE_ referenced in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000030 in module ARGS file UDISK00:[DOHERTY.PINE.PINE3_91.PINE]PINE.OLB;2 %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol _CTYPE_ referenced in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000550 in module ADRBKLIB file UDISK00:[DOHERTY.PINE.PINE3_91.PINE]PINE.OLB;2 %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol STDPROTO referenced in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000250 in module OS_VMS file UDISK00:[DOHERTY.PINE.PINE3_91.C-CLIENT]C-CLIENT.O LB;3 %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol MAILDRIVERS referenced in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000380 in module OS_VMS file UDISK00:[DOHERTY.PINE.PINE3_91.C-CLIENT]C-CLIENT.O LB;3 The result of all this is when I try to run PINE I get the following message: hepax6/m>run pine %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual address=0000006B, PC =000F5E24, PS=0000001B %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows Image Name Module Name Routine Name Line Number rel PC abs PC PINE INIT parse_list 8307 00004364 000F5E24 PINE INIT init_vars 6381 00000310 000F1DD0 PINE PINE main 6319 000003D4 000903D4 PINE PINE __main 0 00000088 00090088 0 88498170 88498170 Can anyone advise me on what to to next? Many Thanks, Mike Doherty -- _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ Michael Doherty | Computing Group _/ _/ e-mail: | Particle Physics Department _/ _/ m.doherty@rl.ac.uk >internet | Rutherford Appleton Laboratory _/ _/ RALHEP::DOHERTY >DECnet | Chilton, Oxfordshire, UK. _/ _/-------------------------- -------------------------------------_/ _/ Tel: [+44/0]1235 821900 Fax: [+44/0]1235 446733 _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 9 21:35:55 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24168; Sat, 9 Dec 95 21:35:55 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05637; Sat, 9 Dec 95 21:32:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05631; Sat, 9 Dec 95 21:31:59 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOeLD-00038EC; Sat, 9 Dec 95 21:30 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 20:17:44 -0800 Message-Id: References: <49to4s$l52@netaxs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE In-Reply-To: Good question. The short answer is that it's a deficiency in IMAP2. IMAP4 can fix it, and a workaround can be done with IMAP2. But nobody has been interested in doing the work in Pine 3.92. I don't know when it will be done. However, you may be screwed anyway, depending upon the vagaries of your email transport; if it changes things so that the Newsgroups header appears to be false, then it won't be recognized. On 9 Dec 1995, (ISO-8859-2) krem=BEsk=E1 HO=D8=C8ICE wrote: > On 4 Dec 1995, Michael Handler wrote: > > > Lloyd Wood (L.Wood@surrey.ac.uk) wrote: > > > Posting private email is bad form on usenet, yet pine encourages you > > > to do it. I am severely peeved. I can't believe that a program as > > > mature as pine is can have this goddam awful behaviour. > > > > Mark Crispin and the PINE team: here is _yet_another_ example of how > > PINE's misinterpretation of the Newsgroups: header in a _private_ > > email message has caused someone great harm and chagrin. > > Well. I just had the *opposite* problem. I *wanted* to post a > follow-up to a newsgroup, based on an e-mail copy I had sent myself of an > article which I had posted to Usenet. > The e-mail copy was sent to my mailbox which I access with IMAP. It > contained the Newsgroups: header. > > For the life of me, I could not get Pine to ask me if I wanted to > post to the newsgroup, much less to ask if I could confirm that thousands > of readers might be reading the message and killfiling me, and I'd be > costing hundreds of not hundreds of thousands of dollars, so do I really > want to post this. > > It seems that I had the behaviour everyone has been clamoring for, > but that's not what I wanted. What have I done wrong? > > I was using 3.91 on SGI, the message in the IMAP mailbox arrived with > From:, cc:, Reply-To:, and Newsgroups: -- Pine ignored the last of these > and only asked questions based on the first three. > > Sigh... > > > Barry Bouwsma > MZLU v Brn=EC, =C8R (Czechistan) > > > > -- Mark -- DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 9 21:46:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24351; Sat, 9 Dec 95 21:46:25 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07428; Sat, 9 Dec 95 21:42:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07422; Sat, 9 Dec 95 21:41:59 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOeSb-00038DC; Sat, 9 Dec 95 21:38 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "James M. Cobb" Subject: Re: Recovering A Pine Session After Disconnect Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 19:04:08 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <49pv3k$gc5@castle.nando.net> Zach, Press ^Z. This gets you to the UNIX prompt without closing pine. At that prompt, type pico. Press Enter. That puts you in the pico editor. Begin composing. Periodically, save or write out to the SAME filename. (Choose a single-letter filename for convenience.) After each save or write-out, at the prompt type pico. Press Enter. In pico, press ^R, then enter filename. Press Enter. Continue composing. Choose a period for the cycle that you feel comfortable with. Upon completion of the composition, save it or write it out. Exit pico. Again at the UNIX prompt, type fg (=foreground) to get back into pine. Enter compose-message screen. Bring the cursor down into the message BODY. Press ^R. Enter filename of composition. Press Enter. To then get to top of the message body, press ^W followed by ^Y. Move cursor into header and make the appropriate entries. Send message. If you have a sent-message folder, you then can press ^Z and at the UNIX prompt type rm . Again type fg to get back in pine. Of course you can start in the compose-message screen, make the appropriate header-entries, put cursor in BODY of message, press ^Z, type pico, etc. Yes, it's inconvenient. But if the composition is important and long, it's much more inconvenient to lose it. If the system goes down while you're composing, the FILE con- taining almost all of your composition will almost always be restored when service resumes; and sometimes you'll even get a message that you can retrieve what pico itself dumped when the system went down. Cordially, Jim From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 9 22:11:01 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24666; Sat, 9 Dec 95 22:11:01 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06107; Sat, 9 Dec 95 22:07:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06101; Sat, 9 Dec 95 22:07:01 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOet3-00038DC; Sat, 9 Dec 95 22:05 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Are Unix and PC versions identical? Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 20:25:10 -0800 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: The UNIX and PC versions are identical with regard to news. However, the Newsgroups: header isn't transmitted over IMAP2. You are probably using IMAP from PC Pine and local access from Unix Pine. I don't know when this will be fixed. On 9 Dec 1995, Andrej Borsenkow wrote: > Hi, folks! > > Can anybody tell if the Unix and PC versions of Pine are identical? > > I have following problem: > > Pine 3.91 source distribution, compiled without any changes; > PC Pine for Windows 3.91 (if I can trust the header). > > The problem is, PC Pine won't post News article when replying. That is, > I have mail with Newsgroup: header, press R)eply, am aksed about text > inclusion (or not, if set-up to not do so) and got NO question about > Followup. > > If R)eplying to the SAME message on Unix - it works fine. > > Is it a bug or a feature? I find it at least annoying, not to be able to > trust the program. > > I cannot tell, looking at code, ANY difference in Setup, which can > influence such behavior. PC Pine just doesn't do it. > > BTW if I choose to followup, I loose the To: header; I would like at > least to be asked if I want Follow-Up ONLY or also reply to sender. > > thanks in advance > > ---------------------------------------------------- > Andrej Borsenkow E-Mail: borsenkow.msk@sni.de > SNI ITS, Moscow Phone: +7 (095) 252 13 88 > ---------------------------------------------------- > > > -- Mark -- DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 9 22:30:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24940; Sat, 9 Dec 95 22:30:06 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07942; Sat, 9 Dec 95 22:27:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07936; Sat, 9 Dec 95 22:27:06 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOfDB-00038EC; Sat, 9 Dec 95 22:26 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Re: Help! re:incoming mail folder??? Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 19:40:13 -0500 Message-Id: References: <4a7hi7$15hg@ds2.acs.ucalgary.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4a7hi7$15hg@ds2.acs.ucalgary.ca> On 7 Dec 1995, David Alan Brawn wrote: > I recieve alot of mail from one certain address. I was wondering > if anybody knows if there is a way to automatically put this incoming mail > into a separate folder to keep it away from my other mail. Pine by itself will not do this. You can use other programs to preprocess your incoming mail into folders which Pine can then read (at least with Unix Pine). If you have a Web browser, look at my home page and follow the link to Nancy McGough's pages. She has material there on mail filtering. (You will have to follow several links to get to stuff on procmail and elm filtering.) Paul -------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett P. O. Box 857 Vienna, VA 22183-0857 U.S.A. Finger, keyserver, or WWW for PGP 2.6.2 public key URL: http://www.access.digex.net/~pobart -------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 9 22:33:19 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25062; Sat, 9 Dec 95 22:33:19 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06365; Sat, 9 Dec 95 22:27:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06359; Sat, 9 Dec 95 22:27:09 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOfDs-00038HC; Sat, 9 Dec 95 22:26 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Star Dust Subject: Re: Bcc Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4a96vp$126@piston.ecp.fr> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 04:52:56 GMT Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII References: <4a96vp$126@piston.ecp.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 On 8 Dec 1995, Bartman wrote: > How can I make a blank carbon copy with Pine ? You mean Blind Carbon Copy (BCC)? When you're composing an e-mail, press ^R while the cursor is on 1 of the header fields. Then you'll see (r)ich headers, including the BCC field. You can then enter addresses into the BCC field. JY From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 10 00:05:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26362; Sun, 10 Dec 95 00:05:12 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09213; Sun, 10 Dec 95 00:02:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09207; Sun, 10 Dec 95 00:02:16 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOgee-00038DC; Sat, 9 Dec 95 23:58 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dean@tbone.biol.sc.edu (Dean Pentcheff) Subject: Re: Pine, Procmail, and INBOX Date: 10 Dec 1995 01:28:39 -0500 Message-Id: <4adumn$p4m@tbone.biol.sc.edu> References: <4a1kvv$bru@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Paul O Bartlett writes: >On 5 Dec 1995, Jeffrey S Gostin wrote: >> Hi! Just a quick question concerning integrating Procmail and Pine. If I have >> incoming mail procmail'd into three or four folders > folder4>, would I tell pine that folder[1-4] were incoming folders? If not, >> how would I go about doing it so that pine could tell me which folders have >> new mail, and which ones don't? > I had what apparently amounts to the same situation. Accessing the >folders, of course, is no problem, as they show up in my local folder >collection. I named them IN.this-or-that so that they would appear high >up in the list of folders. > However, Pine does not know about what is in them and does not tell >me how many files are in them until I actually open them. I was able to >obtain a Perl script... Here's the detailed answer on how to get Pine to recognize those folders as incoming-mail folders. I'll assume that the folder is on the same server as your regular mail (i.e. you aren't wanting to use a folder IMAPed from another server [which might be very useful, though, and can be done]). >From the main Pine menu, go to the "L"ist of folders. While your cursor is somewhere in the "Incoming Message Folders" area of the screen, press "A" to Add a folder. You are asked: "Name of server to contain added folder: " Just press return. You are asked: "Name of folder to add " Type in the pathname to the folder you wish to add, relative to your login directory (not just the filename within your mail directory). So, if my mail folder directory is called "mail" within my home directory, and I wanted to mark the folder "IN.anemo" as an incoming mail folder, I'd enter "mail/IN.anemo" (without the quotes, of course). You are asked: "Nickname for folder "mail/IN.anemo": " Enter a single word that will appear as the folder name in the "Incoming Message Folders" list. Now, when you fire up Pine, you can first go to your standard INBOX folder. When that's done, press the key, and you'll move to the next incoming-mail folder that has new mail. All of your incoming mail folders will appear at the top of your "L"ist of mail folders. Nifty, eh? Coupled with filtering by procmail, this can make going through the mail far, far easier, particularly if you subscribe to a number of different mailing lists. Don't overlook procmail's ability to filter out all but one of a duplicated message sent to multiple mailing lists (hence arriving multiple times to your account) - relieves a lot of annoyance for me. -Dean -- N. Dean Pentcheff WWW: http://tbone.biol.sc.edu/~dean/ Biological Sciences, Univ. of South Carolina, Columbia SC 29208 (803-777-3936) PGP ID=768/22A1A015 Keyprint=2D 53 87 53 72 4A F2 83 A0 BF CB C0 D1 0E 76 C0 Get PGP keys and information with the command: "finger dean@tbone.biol.sc.edu" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 10 02:25:28 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28925; Sun, 10 Dec 95 02:25:28 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09318; Sun, 10 Dec 95 02:17:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09312; Sun, 10 Dec 95 02:17:33 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOima-00038DC; Sun, 10 Dec 95 02:15 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dean@tbone.biol.sc.edu (Dean Pentcheff) Subject: Re: Pine, Procmail, and INBOX Date: 9 Dec 1995 05:08:59 -0500 Message-Id: <4abn7r$luj@tbone.biol.sc.edu> References: <4a1kvv$bru@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> gostin@blue.crayola.cse.psu.edu (Jeffrey S Gostin) writes: :Hi! Just a quick question concerning integrating Procmail and Pine. If I have :incoming mail procmail'd into three or four folders , would I tell pine that folder[1-4] were incoming folders? Yes. That's the purpose of the incoming folders designation. -Dean -- N. Dean Pentcheff WWW: http://tbone.biol.sc.edu/~dean/ Biological Sciences, Univ. of South Carolina, Columbia SC 29208 (803-777-3936) PGP ID=768/22A1A015 Keyprint=2D 53 87 53 72 4A F2 83 A0 BF CB C0 D1 0E 76 C0 Get PGP keys and information with the command: "finger dean@tbone.biol.sc.edu" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 10 03:34:27 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00292; Sun, 10 Dec 95 03:34:27 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11782; Sun, 10 Dec 95 03:27:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11776; Sun, 10 Dec 95 03:27:40 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOjs4-00038DC; Sun, 10 Dec 95 03:24 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Jordan Elias Massad Subject: PC Pine Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 05:04:15 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Where can I get PC Pine? Jordan From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 10 05:47:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02653; Sun, 10 Dec 95 05:47:06 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12145; Sun, 10 Dec 95 05:42:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12139; Sun, 10 Dec 95 05:42:57 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOlxW-00038DC; Sun, 10 Dec 95 05:38 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: peter@nmti.com (Peter da Silva) Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 8 Dec 1995 02:04:58 GMT Message-Id: <4a86ga$dnt@zuul.nmti.com> References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> <49to4s$l52@netaxs.com> <4a1it2$pp@zuul.nmti.com> In article <4a1it2$pp@zuul.nmti.com>, I wrote: > Mark: the reason people beat up on you about the behaviour of Pine is simply > because you so aggressively defend it. If you don't want people to identify > you with this brokenness, then stop promoting it. I Cced Mark, and during the exchange of messages he called me all sorts of interesting names. More to the point, though, he told me that: 1. They have been discussing how to deal with this problem since last November. 2. The final changes were made, by Mark, in March. So all the while he's been publicly denying that there's a problem he's been working on fixing it. That they've been so careful in designing the fix is admirable, but why they have been publicly so adamantly opposed to admitting they have a problem that everyone, including themselves, can clearly see? I honestly can't imagine what their motivation could possibly be. This sort of public-relations stonewalling is the sort of thing you associate with corporations like Intel and Microsoft, not volunteer freeware authors. I will, of course, refrain from directly quoting Mark's private email without permission. -- Peter da Silva (NIC: PJD2) `-_-' 1601 Industrial Boulevard Bailey Network Management 'U` Sugar Land, TX 77487-5013 +1 713 274 5180 "Har du kramat din varg idag?" USA Bailey pays for my technical expertise. My opinions probably scare them From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 10 05:50:02 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02709; Sun, 10 Dec 95 05:50:02 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13763; Sun, 10 Dec 95 05:43:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13757; Sun, 10 Dec 95 05:42:58 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOlxW-00038EC; Sun, 10 Dec 95 05:38 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jgvd@guava.epix.net (Jonathan and DearOldDad) Subject: Re: Forwarding messages and .signatures Date: 8 Dec 1995 04:33:08 GMT Message-Id: <4a8f64$j3e@guava.epix.net> References: Ray Marshall (ray@longhair.plaza.nt.com) wrote: : On 6 Dec 1995, Brian T. Zimmer wrote: : > Whenever I forward a message, the signature appears at the top of the : > message. However, in all other cases, the signature appears at the : > bottom. I have signature at bottom turned on. What is the problem?? : You're right! According to the help text (when configuring), your sig : file is only put at the bottom on a REPLY, i.e. it says nothing about : FORWARD. But, let's reflect on this a moment... : When one replies to a message, one normally want's the original text up : first, and responses after the text they apply to. So, it makes sense : to put the final signature at the bottom of the whole message. : However, when one forwards a message, an explanatory comment is usually : put before the forwarded message, and it makes sense to "sign" that text : separate from the whole mail message. Putting the signature after the : forwarded message sort of implies that you're signing someone else's : message... hmmmm. To me the current functionality seems to make more : sense. : As for your question, I don't believe there IS a problem. Although I : haven't used many other Email systems, those I have used function just : the same way as pine does. I suspect that it's functioning exactly as : it was designed to. : Now, if you would like an option to put your sig file AFTER your forwarded : message, you can make a request for that new feature. But, realize that : pine is OFFICIALLY for those at the University of Washington; and the rest : of us use it through their generosity and good will. In other words, you : can make a request, and they MAY honor it, but you have no right to expect : that they WILL honor it. : Peace / Ray Thank you Ray aka the 1st person to give an intellegent response to a question (other than myself) in the last few days. G'Day. sig follows ... no I didn't say '.signature' I said sig as in filename 'sig' as in ^R (control+r) then type sig then press enter. G'Day again ;-) /\ /~\/\/\ /\ /\ /\ |>> John (aka DearOldDad) /\ \/\/ / / \/\/ \/\/\/ \/ \/\|Fore! Pocono Mtns PA USA EARTH/__\/_/__/_/___/email_jgvd@epix.net_|_____ My opinions are my own, but for a small royalty they can be yours. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 10 07:52:27 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03911; Sun, 10 Dec 95 07:52:27 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13422; Sun, 10 Dec 95 07:39:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13416; Sun, 10 Dec 95 07:39:27 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOnoN-00038EC; Sun, 10 Dec 95 07:37 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Re: Bcc Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 19:57:58 -0500 Message-Id: References: <4a96vp$126@piston.ecp.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4a96vp$126@piston.ecp.fr> On 8 Dec 1995, Bartman wrote: > How can I make a blank carbon copy with Pine ? Assuming that your version of Pine is current (i.e., 3.91), from the Main Menu go into Setup and Config. Scroll down to default-composer-headers and add Bcc: . Paul -------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett P. O. Box 857 Vienna, VA 22183-0857 U.S.A. Finger, keyserver, or WWW for PGP 2.6.2 public key URL: http://www.access.digex.net/~pobart -------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 10 08:45:51 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04709; Sun, 10 Dec 95 08:45:51 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15832; Sun, 10 Dec 95 08:39:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15826; Sun, 10 Dec 95 08:39:34 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOoj8-00038EC; Sun, 10 Dec 95 08:35 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: werner@world.std.com (Craig Werner) Subject: Problem with pine on a distributed environment Message-Id: Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 13:15:54 GMT Hello, everyone. I am having trouble performing operations, such as deleting messages, within folders of pine running on a distributed environment, and I understand the problem is with the system's inability to establish a proper lock file. One of the systems to which I have access (not the beautifully-run one from which this post comes) runs in a distributed environment. When a user calls pine, the system performs an IMAP login to the user drive on which the pine mailbox folders are located. However, all the other pine folders are on whichever drive the user's account is on. Consequently, my sysadmin tells me, when a user wants to perform an operation on a folder other than the mailbox one, unless he is logged on to the user drive on which his account lives, it fails because pine can't establish a proper lock file. I am wondering if there is a way of using pine in such a distributed environment so that it will work with its full folder functionality. My sysadmin tells me he once tried to get an answer from this group, but his queries went unanswered. Can someone point me towards some documentation that will help solve this problem? My sysadmin is swamped and would rather not devote time to the problem, so I'm taking it upon myself to see if there is an easy fix. Thanks for all help. Craig Werner From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 10 09:19:05 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05344; Sun, 10 Dec 95 09:19:05 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14593; Sun, 10 Dec 95 09:13:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14586; Sun, 10 Dec 95 09:13:23 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOpHa-00038EC; Sun, 10 Dec 95 09:11 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pegboy@gti.gti.net (++ Pegboy ++) Subject: Re: forwarding mail to another address Date: 9 Dec 1995 14:42:38 -0500 Message-Id: <4acore$ln3@gti.gti.net> References: <4acngi$ge9@gti.gti.net> nevermind! figured out my own question! :) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 10 10:04:48 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06139; Sun, 10 Dec 95 10:04:48 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16935; Sun, 10 Dec 95 09:58:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16929; Sun, 10 Dec 95 09:58:29 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOq0j-00038HC; Sun, 10 Dec 95 09:58 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 9 Dec 1995 01:52:53 GMT Message-Id: <4aaq5l$s50@hustle.rahul.net> References: In Tim Pierce writes: >So it's ill-advised. You know something? It's too late. It's an >ill-advised feature which has become part of over a decade of >Usenet software tradition. When you send a reply via private mail >to a public message, the private reply has a "Newsgroups" header. >I would have expected a 20-year veteran of ARPAnet/Internet >messaging software to be aware of this in advance. There is actually another subtle point here. The Newsgroups header has *never* meant 'post this to these newsgroups', not even when used in News postings. Once a decision to post has been made, then the list of newsgroups will be obtained either from the Newsgroups header or from the Followup-to header if it exists, as appropriate. In the case of control messages, the software may perform some mapping between what a Newsgroups header says and where the posting actually goes. (E.g., the Newsgroups header might say comp.mail.pine.ctl but the posting might go to comp.mail.pine and/or to control and/or to control.cancel.) To emphasize again, the Newsgroups header is *never* a request to post. I am making a distinction here between a command such as 'please post' and data such as 'here is a list of newsgroups that may be used'. The request to post must occur via some other mechanism: - Piping something to inews is a request to post. - Using the POST command as nntp client is a request to post. - Using the IHAVE command as nntp peer is a request to post (really request to propagate). - Using a follow-up command in a news reader is a request to post. Contrariwise: - Using a reply command is never a request to post, not even when in a news reader (use the follow-up command instead). - Using a reply command is never a request to post when in a mail reader. *** Pine authors please note. *** - The mere presense of a Newsgroups header in anything (whether email or News) is never a request to post. *** Pine authors please note. *** -- Rahul Dhesi "please ignore Dhesi" -- Mark Crispin From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 10 12:13:45 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08630; Sun, 10 Dec 95 12:13:45 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16961; Sun, 10 Dec 95 12:08:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16955; Sun, 10 Dec 95 12:08:45 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOs2Y-00038DC; Sun, 10 Dec 95 12:08 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 9 Dec 1995 01:39:10 GMT Message-Id: <4aapbu$rcd@hustle.rahul.net> References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> <199512071843.KAA12358@mail.eskimo.com> In Paul O Bartlett writes: >For example, to respond to your message, Pine asked me whether I >wanted to reply to newsgroups. When I said yes, it did not formulate a >header to send this to you also by email. I had to add that back in by >hand, a feature which I myself find irksome in another way. In all fairness, let's note that making it hard for you to duplicate via email a Usenet posting is desirable behavior. Only a very small fraction of Usenet users want their mailboxes to be cluttered with isolated fragments of Usenet discussion threads. Those who wish to save selected postings can do so themselves -- you or I are not in any position to guess which specific Usenet postings others wish to save. Those who wish to receive entire newsgroups by email have already made such arrangmenets and no help should be required from the rest of us. -- Rahul Dhesi "please ignore Dhesi" -- Mark Crispin From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 10 12:36:16 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09124; Sun, 10 Dec 95 12:36:16 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19148; Sun, 10 Dec 95 12:28:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19142; Sun, 10 Dec 95 12:28:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOsHn-00038DC; Sun, 10 Dec 95 12:23 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 00:35:54 -0800 Message-Id: References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> <49to4s$l52@netaxs.com> <4a1it2$pp@zuul.nmti.com> <4a86ga$dnt@zuul.nmti.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4a86ga$dnt@zuul.nmti.com> On 8 Dec 1995, Peter da Silva wrote: > So all the while he's been publicly denying that there's a problem he's been > working on fixing it. That they've been so careful in designing the fix is > admirable, but why they have been publicly so adamantly opposed to admitting > they have a problem that everyone, including themselves, can clearly see? You don't use Pine, and based entirely on hearsay you complained about a problem which does not exist and can not exist in any released version of Pine. We were working on the real problem -- in fact we had solved it -- but you and your coherts kept on bringing up this nonexistant problem > I honestly can't imagine what their motivation could possibly be. This sort > of public-relations stonewalling is the sort of thing you associate with > corporations like Intel and Microsoft, not volunteer freeware authors. You were never stonewalled. You were told what the facts were. You choose to ignore them. You even harassed me about this on alt.sys.pdp-10, of all inappropriate newsgroups! Perhaps the next time that you think that you are not being answered, you should try listening. -- Mark -- DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 10 12:47:57 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09297; Sun, 10 Dec 95 12:47:57 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17389; Sun, 10 Dec 95 12:38:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17377; Sun, 10 Dec 95 12:38:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOsTj-00038EC; Sun, 10 Dec 95 12:36 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ghhawk@gate.net (Glenn Hawkins) Subject: Return to Sender - How ? Date: 10 Dec 1995 19:13:17 GMT Message-Id: Just as one can create a ".forward" file to auto-forward ones e-mail to another address, can one create a ".retrun-to-sender" file to auto-return unwanted e-mail from a specific e-mail addressee? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 10 14:08:00 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10805; Sun, 10 Dec 95 14:08:00 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20438; Sun, 10 Dec 95 13:58:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20432; Sun, 10 Dec 95 13:58:57 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOtiL-00038DC; Sun, 10 Dec 95 13:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Are Unix and PC versions identical? Date: 10 Dec 1995 10:34:22 GMT Message-Id: <4aed3e$iit@hustle.rahul.net> References: In borsenkow.msk@sni.de (Andrej Borsenkow) writes: >The problem is, PC Pine won't post News article when replying. That is, >I have mail with Newsgroup: header, press R)eply, am aksed about text >inclusion (or not, if set-up to not do so) and got NO question about >Followup. ... >Is it a bug or a feature? I find it at least annoying, not to be able to >trust the program. This is one of those rare cases when: It was intended to be a bug. It turned out to be a feature. People who send you email that happens to contain a Newsgroups header will thank you if you don't try too hard to get this bug fixed. It is preventing you from accidentally posting private email to Usenet. So it's a feature. Let's count our blessings! -- Rahul Dhesi "please ignore Dhesi" -- Mark Crispin From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 10 14:16:47 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10931; Sun, 10 Dec 95 14:16:47 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20642; Sun, 10 Dec 95 14:12:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from world.evansville.net by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20635; Sun, 10 Dec 95 14:12:14 -0800 Received: by world.evansville.net (Smail3.1.28.1 #3) id m0tOtyf-001n7RC; Sun, 10 Dec 95 16:12 GMT-2:08 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 10 Dec 95 16:12 GMT-1:04 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: deweym@evansville.net Subject: MIME-aware tools How do I receive MIME-aware tools? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 10 14:34:11 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11225; Sun, 10 Dec 95 14:34:11 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18997; Sun, 10 Dec 95 14:29:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18975; Sun, 10 Dec 95 14:29:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOuEj-00038DC; Sun, 10 Dec 95 14:28 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Dan \"Superdan\" Bailey" Subject: USENET & Pine Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 14:42:31 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am running Pine 3.91 on my ULTRIX account and have never had any problems with it. Until now. For some reason, it will not permanently add some newgroups nor permanently delete others. Anyone have any ideas on this? Thanks... -- Dan __ -=-=-=-=- |_/\ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- .--.\ \ Dan "The Danimal" Bailey ,-*---*_\/ Student, Soldier, Cyclist, Author, Freelance Thinker \_----_ )) superdan@krypton.mankato.msus.edu |c c )`| On IRC: KidBailey ___ /`._ / / Phone: (507)-389-5422 -==[___]\/| \/ `B-\/|_` ) Dan's Web Site from Hell: <'/||\`> http://att2.cs.mankato.msus.edu/~superdan/ __|::| (__.';| Caffeine is the basis for all life in the Universe. -=-=- (_) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 10 14:54:11 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11858; Sun, 10 Dec 95 14:54:11 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21222; Sun, 10 Dec 95 14:49:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21216; Sun, 10 Dec 95 14:49:09 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOuWr-00038DC; Sun, 10 Dec 95 14:47 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Steve Scholz Subject: Accessing an account from a distance. Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 13:49:58 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I don't know if you are the group I should be asking this question of, but here it goes. I have an account at the Univ of New Mexico. I can access it via local telephones from home or directly at school. My question is, when I go on vacation, is it necessary for me to call long-distance to these local numbers in order to gain access or is there some way to make use of local calls around the country to access it? For instance if I am in San Francisco is there some local number (say for SFSU) whereI could call and from there login to my accoutn in New Meixco? This seems familiar but I don't know the validity or method by which I do this. Assuming I can find the local dial-in numbers where-ever I am, how do I get to my account? Thanks Steve From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 10 15:49:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13151; Sun, 10 Dec 95 15:49:23 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20390; Sun, 10 Dec 95 15:44:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20384; Sun, 10 Dec 95 15:44:10 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOvOX-00038DC; Sun, 10 Dec 95 15:43 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hamjavar@unm.edu (Farid Hamjavar) Subject: killfile or some simple program ... Date: 8 Dec 1995 00:46:16 -0700 Message-Id: <4a8qg8$2jc5@mirac.unm.edu> Seasons' greetings, question 1: Is there any capability like "killfile" available in PINE? question 2: Is there any program/script already written that accepts a mail-folder file as input and performs operations on it? (like deletion) What I have in mind is not a "proc mail" type application that are really overkill for what I am after. Something simple will do ... Thanks, hamjavar@unm.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 10 15:50:29 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13245; Sun, 10 Dec 95 15:50:29 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22094; Sun, 10 Dec 95 15:44:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22088; Sun, 10 Dec 95 15:44:12 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOvOZ-00038EC; Sun, 10 Dec 95 15:43 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: FLAVELL@crnvma.cern.ch (Alan J Flavell) Subject: Re: Mime text (ISO-8859-1) Message-Id: <1746E994ES86.FLAVELL@cernvm.cern.ch> References: <4a722b$jbo@news.uni-paderborn.de> Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 10:54:05 GMT In article <4a722b$jbo@news.uni-paderborn.de> adreyer@uni-paderborn.de (Achim Dreyer) writes: >Main Menu -> > Setup -> > Config > >change "character-set" to ISO-8859-1 > >.. that's all! Not "all". It would be useful to ensure that your terminal/emulation has actually been configured to display ISO-8859-1. Otherwise the display could be rather confusing. PINE has no idea what character code your display has been set to, and has no way to change it. For correct results you should set the terminal to match the PINE setting. best regards bzw. Gruesse From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 10 15:59:05 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13366; Sun, 10 Dec 95 15:59:05 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20555; Sun, 10 Dec 95 15:54:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20549; Sun, 10 Dec 95 15:54:12 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOvZF-00038DC; Sun, 10 Dec 95 15:54 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ag786@yfn.ysu.edu (Barry Bouwsma) Subject: Re: Problem with pine on a distributed environment Date: 10 Dec 1995 18:49:16 GMT Message-Id: <4afa3c$ads@news.ysu.edu> References: In a previous article, werner@world.std.com (Craig Werner) says: >When a >user calls pine, the system performs an IMAP login to the user drive >on which the pine mailbox folders are located. However, all the other >pine folders are on whichever drive the user's account is on. This is only giving you half of the flexibility IMAP can provide. >Consequently, my sysadmin tells me, when a user wants to perform an >operation on a folder other than the mailbox one, unless he is logged >on to the user drive on which his account lives, it fails because pine >can't establish a proper lock file. Not quite understanding exactly what you mean, I can think of two known problems. If the machines share the folders/home directories with NFS, file locking is hopelessly broken. This should just mean that two programs attempting an operation on the same folder aren't aware of each other, so if one makes a change, the other sort of shrieks about it. The other possibility is that the folders are local to the machine from which you are logged in and not shared. This would mean they are only visible when you're on that machine. >I am wondering if there is a way of using pine in such a distributed >environment so that it will work with its full folder functionality. Sure there is, but it requires a central location for the folders, which shouldn't be too difficult to arrange, and the advantages of which ought to outweigh the time needed to set it up. The particular solution will depend on your situation. Does your IMAP INBOX server also have access to your folders? Then configure Pine so all folder references are not to the local machine ( mail/[] and so on) but to the IMAP host with these folders ( {imaphost}mail/[] and so on). This also works for postponed messages, so you can move between machines and pick up where you left off. This is easy enough for you to do from the configuration screen; the sysadmin need only modify the pine.conf file to enable this for all users. (Note that this does not work for everything, such as addressbooks, and IMSP with IMAP4 addresses this.) If a different machine is the primary store for your folders, then substitute that machine name for the IMAP host, assuming those machines are running an IMAP server. Using IMAP to access the mail folder works around file locking problems associated with other access methods, and it can work successfully with a minimum of effort. (I use it.) It is assumed that all mail folders are in a directory (mail or Mail) in the user's home directory. If you want both incoming mail and the mail folders to be on a machine users do not typically log into, and have no real need for them to be in the user's home directory, then an IMAP4 server such as the CMU Cyrus server provides this functionality. >Can someone point me towards some >documentation that will help solve this problem? The best I can say is that the IMAP access format used by Pine works for folders as well as the INBOX, so by changing this, you'll be using IMAP. -- Barry Bouwsma, Mendel University Brno, Czech Republic -- I Still Have No Life Flash! Seeking work with computers over winter in Czech or Slovak Republic... (or Austria, Switzerland, Germany...) send offers to This sig is five lines long. Check your newsreader configuration if you do not From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 10 20:43:19 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19053; Sun, 10 Dec 95 20:43:19 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26460; Sun, 10 Dec 95 20:39:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26454; Sun, 10 Dec 95 20:39:49 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tOzz0-00038DC; Sun, 10 Dec 95 20:36 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ab195@rgfn.epcc.edu (Larry E Scroggs) Subject: Pine will not open folders Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 23:25:14 GMT Message-Id: <1995Dec10.232514.17970@rgfn.epcc.edu> I cannot enter the Pine mail-reader on my network and can't determine why. It worked okay when I logged on earlier today. SYMPTOMS: 1. I type pine at the TENET Unix prompt 2. I get the Pine Main Menu with the following at the bottom of the menu: HOST: Paula-Formby.tenet.edu ENTER LOGIN NAME:lscroggs 3. I press the enter key. 4. The following appears at the bottom of the menu: HOST:Paula-Formby.tenet.edu USER:lscroggs ENTER PASSWORD: 5. I have tried different entries. ie. press enter, type in my Tenet password with no success. 6. I always get the following error response: Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal". Exiting pine. Attempting to save debug file to /tenet/d72/lscroggs/.pine-crash Abort process 7. I am then returned to the TENET Unix prompt. Everything else ( telnet, newsgroups, gopher, Lynx) works well. Does anyone know what is happening and how I can correct it? Thanks for the help. Larry E. Scroggs Presa Elementary School 128 Presa Place El Paso, Texas 79907 lscroggs@tenet.edu lscroggs@ix.netcom.com Most people are willing to pay more to be amused than to be educated. Robert Savage -- Larry Scroggs Presa Elementary School 128 Presa Place El Paso, Texas 79907 lscroggs@tenet.edu ab195@rgfn.epcc.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 11 01:46:41 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24791; Mon, 11 Dec 95 01:46:41 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28967; Mon, 11 Dec 95 01:35:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28959; Mon, 11 Dec 95 01:35:25 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tP4aj-00038DC; Mon, 11 Dec 95 01:32 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Re: killfile or some simple program ... Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 12:11:43 -0500 Message-Id: References: <4a8qg8$2jc5@mirac.unm.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4a8qg8$2jc5@mirac.unm.edu> On 8 Dec 1995, Farid Hamjavar wrote: > question 1: > Is there any capability like "killfile" available in PINE? Not in Pine as such, no (at least not in the current release). You need something to weed out the mail before Pine gets it. > question 2: > Is there any program/script already written that accepts a mail-folder > file as input and performs operations on it? (like deletion) [...] Other than procmail itself, I myself do not have anything. Paul -------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett P. O. Box 857 Vienna, VA 22183-0857 U.S.A. Finger, keyserver, or WWW for PGP 2.6.2 public key URL: http://www.access.digex.net/~pobart -------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 11 02:43:56 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25773; Mon, 11 Dec 95 02:43:56 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01650; Mon, 11 Dec 95 02:35:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01638; Mon, 11 Dec 95 02:35:35 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tP5Vw-00038DC; Mon, 11 Dec 95 02:31 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 21:37:15 -0800 Message-Id: References: <49vgqd$5h6@zuul.nmti.com> <4a5h6d$9k5@calliope.wln.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Sun, 10 Dec 1995, Tim Pierce wrote: > In article <4a5h6d$9k5@calliope.wln.com>, kruise wrote: > >I'm getting sick of > >all the bitching about Pine going on in this group. If you don't like it > >switch to something else! > > Sad to say, I can't seem to persuade everyone who's posting > excerpts from my private mail to switch to a mail agent that won't > do that so easily. So I don't think that's really a realistic > option, dearly appreciated though it is. A realistic approach for you should be to switch to a mail agent that doesn't put bogus "Newsgroups" headers into your mail. -- Mark -- DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 11 03:19:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26491; Mon, 11 Dec 95 03:19:06 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02140; Mon, 11 Dec 95 03:10:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02134; Mon, 11 Dec 95 03:10:42 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tP65Q-00038EC; Mon, 11 Dec 95 03:08 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bjb@nwu.edu (bjb) Subject: Any way to get copies of e-mail I sent with Pine? Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 23:47:35 -0600 Message-Id: Thought it saved automatically, but can't find it. Maybe I assumed incorrectly? Please respond via e-mail. Thanks... From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 11 03:38:09 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26891; Mon, 11 Dec 95 03:38:09 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00308; Mon, 11 Dec 95 03:10:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00302; Mon, 11 Dec 95 03:10:40 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tP64o-00038DC; Mon, 11 Dec 95 03:07 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jgvd@guava.epix.net (Jonathan and DearOldDad) Subject: Re: Accessing an account from a distance. Date: 11 Dec 1995 05:51:39 GMT Message-Id: <4aggtb$88g@guava.epix.net> References: Steve Scholz (scholz@unm.edu) wrote: : I have an account at the Univ of New Mexico. I can access it via local : telephones from home or directly at school. My question is, when I go on : vacation, is it necessary for me to call long-distance to these local : numbers in order to gain access or is there some way to make use of local : calls around the country to access it? For instance if I am in San : Francisco is there some local number (say for SFSU) whereI could call and : from there login to my accoutn in New Meixco? This seems familiar but I Yes, but ... read on ... You probably can't 'call' (as in toll-free) but ... for every obstacle there are at least two workarounds ... : don't know the validity or method by which I do this. Assuming I can find : the local dial-in numbers where-ever I am, how do I get to my account? : Thanks Steve You need someone at the locality where you are to let you dial into thier (local) phone # and account (doesna matter if it's San Francisco or Pennsylvannia or Monte Carlo or South Africa) then TELNET to your server and login to your account. Check with your sys admin at unm.edu to see if they allow incoming telnets, most do, some do not. Hope this helps. Please feel free to email me if you need further help, as yer correct, this probably has nothing to with PINE except that yer trying to read your email. BYE. /\ /~\/\/\ /\ /\ /\ |>> John (aka DearOldDad) /\ \/\/ / / \/\/ \/\/\/ \/ \/\|Fore! Pocono Mtns PA USA EARTH/__\/_/__/_/___/email_jgvd@epix.net_|_____ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 11 04:01:41 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27476; Mon, 11 Dec 95 04:01:41 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00672; Mon, 11 Dec 95 03:35:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00666; Mon, 11 Dec 95 03:35:43 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tP6TL-00038DC; Mon, 11 Dec 95 03:32 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 11 Dec 1995 09:01:28 GMT Message-Id: <4ags18$3sl@hustle.rahul.net> References: <49vgqd$5h6@zuul.nmti.com> <4a5h6d$9k5@calliope.wln.com> In Mark Crispin writes: >A realistic approach for you should be to switch to a mail agent that >doesn't put bogus "Newsgroups" headers into your mail. Newsgroups headers in email are not bogus. They are used to tell the recipient in which newsgroup he had posted something that resulted in an email reply to him. This is useful information for the human reader. This information is not intended for automatic processing by the mail agent. For example, if I had chosen to send an email reply to your posting, it would have included a header like this: Newsgroups: comp.mail.pine,news.admin.misc BTW, it is good to minimize News vs email confusion and remember that programs generally known as mail agents do not include a Newsgroups header in email. It is News agents that do this, when they temporarily act as mail agents solely to allow a user to send an email reply to a Usenet posting. -- Rahul Dhesi "please ignore Dhesi" -- Mark Crispin From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 11 05:22:24 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00146; Mon, 11 Dec 95 05:22:24 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03509; Mon, 11 Dec 95 04:44:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from pappson.papp.undp.org by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03503; Mon, 11 Dec 95 04:44:11 -0800 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by pappson.papp.undp.org (8.6.9/95.1.10) with UUCP id OAA21045 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 14:16:14 +0200 Received: from englab.birzeit.edu (sayad@server.englab.birzeit.edu [192.116.1.9]) by birzeit.edu (8.6.8/94.9.28) with ESMTP id MAA03832 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 12:59:53 +0200 Received: (from sayad@localhost) by englab.birzeit.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA10068; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 12:01:36 +0200 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 12:01:35 +0200 (GMT+0200) From: Abdes-Salam Sayyad To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: ADRESS Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I would like to ask whether I can obtain the E-mail adress of omar sayyad at wein state university-michigan,if such an adress exists ,thank you. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 11 07:06:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01921; Mon, 11 Dec 95 07:06:54 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03791; Mon, 11 Dec 95 06:49:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from pappson.papp.undp.org by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03785; Mon, 11 Dec 95 06:49:38 -0800 Received: (from birzeit@localhost) by pappson.papp.undp.org (8.6.9/95.1.10) with UUCP id QAA21356 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 16:35:43 +0200 Received: from englab.birzeit.edu (eliask@server.englab.birzeit.edu [192.116.1.9]) by birzeit.edu (8.6.8/94.9.28) with ESMTP id PAA04140 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 15:07:39 +0200 Received: (from eliask@localhost) by englab.birzeit.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA10392; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 14:09:20 +0200 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 14:09:19 +0200 (GMT+0200) From: Elias Khalil To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII please send information to my about the usenet . for what it is used for? who dose it work ? who to participate in the usenet ? I have a siminar on this subject so I will be thankfull if you send detailed information to me . thank you . Elias Khalil - Birzeit University From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 11 08:01:30 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03630; Mon, 11 Dec 95 08:01:30 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06243; Mon, 11 Dec 95 07:46:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06237; Mon, 11 Dec 95 07:46:12 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tPANY-00038DC; Mon, 11 Dec 95 07:43 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jgoerzen@complete.org (John Goerzen) Subject: MIME and PGP support Date: 8 Dec 1995 23:36:52 -0600 Message-Id: <4ab79k$aai@complete.org> Pine's current MIME support is very poor. I have had to resort to Elm because of -- get this -- the inability to attach plain text files in the text/plain format without encoding! This is not good. Also, is there any potential for adding PGP support to Pine? Again, this is already in elm+pgp+mime package that I have had to resort to. John -- John Goerzen, programmer and owner | MICRO$oft only exists because some Communications Centre & Complete BBS | people are too dumb to get something E-mail jgoerzen@complete.org | better, such as FreeBSD. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 11 08:24:50 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04348; Mon, 11 Dec 95 08:24:50 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05205; Mon, 11 Dec 95 08:06:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05196; Mon, 11 Dec 95 08:06:14 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tPAg3-00038HC; Mon, 11 Dec 95 08:02 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: garr9252@goshawk.csrv.uidaho.edu (Dan Garriott) Subject: PLEASE HELP!!!! Date: 8 Dec 1995 02:22:31 GMT Message-Id: <4a87h7$3aa@newshound.csrv.uidaho.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello I have a question about PINE that I need answered. How do you get rid of the little > symbols when you send a message back and forth? I think you have to go into theconfigure mode and do a little changing but I'm no tsure. If you know hte answer to this PLEASE HELP me! thanks DAN GARRIOTT ***************************************************************************** Dan Garriott A*K*A* Mr. P-body "Quick, Shermin to the way way back machiene!" ****************************************************************************** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 11 08:33:43 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04678; Mon, 11 Dec 95 08:33:43 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07120; Mon, 11 Dec 95 08:22:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07114; Mon, 11 Dec 95 08:22:01 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tPAvr-00038IC; Mon, 11 Dec 95 08:18 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: haash8@cti.ecp.fr (Bartman) Subject: Bcc Date: 8 Dec 1995 11:19:21 GMT Message-Id: <4a96vp$126@piston.ecp.fr> How can I make a blank carbon copy with Pine ? __^__ Hugo HAAS /(o o)\ E-mail : haash8@cti.ecp.fr =oOO==(_)==OOo= WWW : http://www.cti.ecp.fr/~haash8/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 11 09:13:02 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06764; Mon, 11 Dec 95 09:13:02 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06629; Mon, 11 Dec 95 09:02:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from zztop.eng.usf.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06623; Mon, 11 Dec 95 09:02:38 -0800 Received: (from black@localhost) by zztop.eng.usf.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id MAA02086; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 12:02:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 12:02:17 -0500 (EST) From: James Black X-Sender: black@zztop To: John Goerzen Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: MIME and PGP support In-Reply-To: <4ab79k$aai@complete.org> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello, On 8 Dec 1995, John Goerzen wrote: > Also, is there any potential for adding PGP support to Pine? Again, this is > already in elm+pgp+mime package that I have had to resort to. I don't know about others, but once PGP 3.0 is released I am planning on making a version of Pine that will smoothly work with PGP. Right now you can use a program called mkpgp. This is a script program for working with PGP. Enjoy. ========================================================================== James Black (Comp Sci/Comp Eng sophomore) e-mail: black@eng.usf.edu http://www.eng.usf.edu/~black/index.html ************************************************************************** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 11 09:18:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07013; Mon, 11 Dec 95 09:18:12 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06912; Mon, 11 Dec 95 09:05:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06728; Mon, 11 Dec 95 09:04:09 -0800 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 11 Dec 1995 15:49:55 +0000 Received: by tower.york.ac.uk (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/940406.SGI) id PAA01667; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 15:49:47 GMT Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 15:49:46 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Brudenell To: Abdes-Salam Sayyad Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: ADRESS In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Try e-mailing somebody AT that university, rather than asking a mailing list devoted to the development, installation and support of piece of software (called "Pine") to let you read and send mail! Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Tel: +44-1904-433811 FAX: +44-1904-433740 http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/ On Mon, 11 Dec 1995, Abdes-Salam Sayyad wrote: > I would like to ask whether I can obtain the E-mail adress of omar sayyad > at wein state university-michigan,if such an adress exists ,thank you. > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 11 09:21:16 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07182; Mon, 11 Dec 95 09:21:16 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06721; Mon, 11 Dec 95 09:04:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06681; Mon, 11 Dec 95 09:03:54 -0800 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 11 Dec 1995 15:46:07 +0000 Received: by tower.york.ac.uk (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/940406.SGI) id PAA00639; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 15:45:56 GMT Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 15:45:56 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Brudenell To: Elias Khalil Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII You could try asking this in the "news.newusers.questions" newsgroup rather than here. This is primarily for discussion about the mail program called "Pine". Cheers, Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Tel: +44-1904-433811 FAX: +44-1904-433740 http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/ On Mon, 11 Dec 1995, Elias Khalil wrote: > please send information to my about the usenet . > > for what it is used for? > who dose it work ? > > who to participate in the usenet ? > > I have a siminar on this subject so I will be thankfull if you send > detailed information to me . > > thank you . > > Elias Khalil > > - Birzeit University > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 11 09:55:26 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08731; Mon, 11 Dec 95 09:55:26 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07760; Mon, 11 Dec 95 09:32:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from online.magnus1.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07754; Mon, 11 Dec 95 09:32:27 -0800 Received: from online1.magnus1.com (online1.magnus1.com [204.97.15.10]) by online.magnus1.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA21381 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 11:59:55 -0500 Received: (from johnhe@localhost) by online1.magnus1.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) id RAA11482; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 17:33:12 GMT Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 12:33:12 -0500 (EST) From: John Hegeman To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: help on ^T & ^R cmds Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII How do I ake an address from a mailing list? I get an error message . Works ok on mail directly addressed to me. <^R>ead doesn't seem to work for me. I select file to read into message from my home directory via elect but the file doesn't appear in my compose window. Appreciate the help. I'm new to Pine from Elm. Thanks. ************************************************ * John Hegeman * * Maiden's Bower Farm * * P.O. Box 246 Churchville, MD 21028 USA * * (410) 836-2435 johnhe@online1.magnus1.com * ************************************************ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: (Sender of message unknown) Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05196; Mon, 11 Dec 95 08:06:14 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tPAg3-00038HC; Mon, 11 Dec 95 08:02 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: garr9252@goshawk.csrv.uidaho.edu (Dan Garriott) Subject: PLEASE HELP!!!! Date: 8 Dec 1995 02:22:31 GMT Message-Id: <4a87h7$3aa@newshound.csrv.uidaho.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello I have a question about PINE that I need answered. How do you get rid of the little > symbols when you send a message back and forth? I think you have to go into theconfigure mode and do a little changing but I'm no tsure. If you know hte answer to this PLEASE HELP me! thanks DAN GARRIOTT ***************************************************************************** Dan Garriott A*K*A* Mr. P-body "Quick, Shermin to the way way back machiene!" ****************************************************************************** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 11 10:54:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12264; Mon, 11 Dec 95 10:54:23 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09741; Mon, 11 Dec 95 10:41:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09735; Mon, 11 Dec 95 10:41:36 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tPD9U-00038EC; Mon, 11 Dec 95 10:40 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ag786@yfn.ysu.edu (Barry Bouwsma) Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 10 Dec 1995 16:09:06 GMT Message-Id: <4af0n2$6v5@news.ysu.edu> References: <49to4s$l52@netaxs.com> Good question. The short answer is that it's a deficiency in IMAP2. To all sysadmins who have been complaining about this problem, here is your solution. Just start an IMAP server on your mailhost (I've wanted to see IMAP daemons become as ubiquitous as POP servers for a long time), and configure Pine to access inboxes and folders with IMAP. This will also help you migrate to a client-server IMAP mail model more quickly. Personally, I'll wait for IMAP4 clients, before rekindling this debate by asking that Pine *do* posts to newsgroups when the header is in a message accessed with IMAP2bis. I understand the mechanics of the variety of protocols and transfer agents that can be involved, and the solution cannot be as clear-cut as some less-informed individuals would like to believe. >IMAP4 can fix it, and a workaround can be done with IMAP2. But nobody has >been interested in doing the work in Pine 3.92. -- Barry Bouwsma, Mendel University Brno, Czech Republic -- I Still Have No Life Flash! Seeking work with computers over winter in Czech or Slovak Republic... (or Austria, Switzerland, Germany...) send offers to This sig is five lines long. Check your newsreader configuration if you do not From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 11 11:08:28 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12904; Mon, 11 Dec 95 11:08:28 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11952; Mon, 11 Dec 95 10:58:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11946; Mon, 11 Dec 95 10:58:56 -0800 Received: from localhost by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27090; Mon, 11 Dec 95 10:58:29 -0800 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 10:58:26 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller To: Johan Holmberg Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: A single '.' on a line (RFC1521 vs. PINE) In-Reply-To: <63pwdytj7w.fsf@promotor.telia.se> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This will be fixed in Pine 3.92... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 9 Dec 1995, Johan Holmberg wrote: > Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu > Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu > To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu > From: Johan Holmberg > Subject: A single '.' on a line (RFC1521 vs. PINE) > Date: 09 Dec 1995 15:17:23 +0100 > Message-ID: <63pwdytj7w.fsf@promotor.telia.se> > > > Hi ! > > From RFC 1521: > > (7) Some mail transport agents will corrupt data that includes > certain literal strings. In particular, a period (".") alone on a > line is known to be corrupted by some (incorrect) SMTP > implementations, and a line that starts with the five characters > "From " (the fifth character is a SPACE) are commonly corrupted as > well. A careful composition agent can prevent these corruptions > by encoding the data (e.g., in the quoted-printable encoding, > "=46rom " in place of "From " at the start of a line, and "=2E" in > place of "." alone on a line. > > > As far as I can see PINE 3.91 handles "From " but not the single '.'. > > The handling of "From " is controlled by the compile time define > 'ENCODE_FROMS'. I have looked through the code but can't find any > corresponding code for handling of '.'. > > Have I missed something or was this intentionally > left out from PINE 3.91 ? > > Its all to common that buggy MTA's interpret '.' as the end of the > mail. Even if I have a correct MTA myself I can't controll the > receiving end (or intermediate MTA's). > > /johan holmberg > > > > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Johan Holmberg Email: holmberg@upp.promotor.telia.se > Telia Promotor AB Phone: +46 18 18 94 55 > Box 1218 Mobile: +46 70 528 94 55 > 751 42 Uppsala, SWEDEN Fax: +46 18 18 94 99 > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 11 11:10:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12972; Mon, 11 Dec 95 11:10:20 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11879; Mon, 11 Dec 95 10:56:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11873; Mon, 11 Dec 95 10:56:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tPDOQ-00038EC; Mon, 11 Dec 95 10:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: drora@erez.cc.biu.ac.il (Drora Cohen) Subject: Take address to mailing list Date: 11 Dec 1995 13:41:48 GMT Message-Id: <4ahces$fa0@cnn.cc.biu.ac.il> Hi I formed in my address book a mailing list. Now I would like to add entries to that mailing list simply by using the T - Take Address key which appears when viewing the mail folder. Usually the address is added to the simple list in the address book, but not to the mailing list which should then be edited manually. Please send answers to my private email address, and I will update the list. Thanks, Drora -------------------------------------------------------------------- | Dr. Drora Cohen | Internet: drora@erez.cc.biu.ac.il | | Computer Center | Tel: 972-3-5318470 | | Bar-Ilan University | Fax: 972-3-5344446 | | Ramat-Gan, ISRAEL 52900 | | -------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 11 11:12:09 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13053; Mon, 11 Dec 95 11:12:09 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10366; Mon, 11 Dec 95 11:01:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10360; Mon, 11 Dec 95 11:01:36 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tPDPt-00038EC; Mon, 11 Dec 95 10:57 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Jason Saling Subject: Re: Mime text (ISO-8859-1) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 09:35:52 -0500 Message-Id: References: <4a722b$jbo@news.uni-paderborn.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4a722b$jbo@news.uni-paderborn.de> Thanks for the suggestions, I have tried to change the character set to ISO-5589-1 but this does not seem to help. I have tried on RS6000/AIX 325, HPUX 10, and SGI/IRIX but I still get the following after I select a message; From: Network Manager To: Jason Saling Subject: test [Part 1, Latin 1 text (ISO-8859-1) 1 lines] [Not Shown. Use the "V" command to view or save this part] Any clues?????? Thanks Jason On 7 Dec 1995, Achim Dreyer wrote: > Jason Saling (p761007@gulfaero.com) wrote: > > : Hey, Hey, > > : Here is my situation. I as the unix sys admin receive mail from many > : MAC users (msmail) who login to the unix servers. When I receive > : their messages it appears to be in MIME format, therefore I must > : press V to view the text (Latin text ISO-8859-1) of their messages. > : This is not a big task, but after 5000000000000 times it can become > : annoying. > > : Is there a way to have pine automagically display the text when you > : select a message?????? > > Main Menu -> > Setup -> > Config > > change "character-set" to ISO-8859-1 > > .. that's all! > > : Thanks, > : Jason > > Cheers, > Achim > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Jason Saling jsaling@gulfaero.com Gulfstream Aerospace Corp (Phone) 912-965-5124 500 Gulfstream Road (MS A05) (Fax) 912-965-3820 Savannah, GA 31408 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 11 11:28:16 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14158; Mon, 11 Dec 95 11:28:16 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12692; Mon, 11 Dec 95 11:21:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12686; Mon, 11 Dec 95 11:21:42 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tPDiP-00038EC; Mon, 11 Dec 95 11:16 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pete@rayleigh.AFTAC.GOV (Pete Geenhuizen) Subject: Compiling PINE under Solaris 2.4 Date: 10 Dec 1995 22:04:50 GMT Message-Id: <4afli2$3ra@scinter.aftac.gov> I'm making the move to Solaris 2.4, and tried to compile Pine 3.91, but ran into a minor snag. Here's the error output Making Pine. cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"SOL\" -c addrbook.c "/usr/include/stdlib.h", line 141: identifier redeclared: getopt current : function(int, pointer to pointer to char, pointer to char) returning int previous: function(int, pointer to const pointer to char, pointer to const char) returning int : "/usr/include/stdio.h", line 283 "/usr/include/stdlib.h", line 142: identifier redeclared: getsubopt current : function(pointer to pointer to char, pointer to pointer to char, pointer to pointer to char) returning int previous: function(pointer to pointer to char, pointer to const pointer to char, pointer to pointer to char) returning int : "/usr/include/stdio.h", line 285 "/usr/include/unistd.h", line 225: identifier redeclared: rename current : function(pointer to char, pointer to char) returning int previous: function(pointer to const char, pointer to const char) returning int : "/usr/include/stdio.h", line 148 "addrbook.c", line 3954: cannot recover from previous errors cc: acomp failed for addrbook.c *** Error code 2 make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `addrbook.o' Has anyone been able to compile Pine under Soalris 2.4 using Sun C? If so could you please provide me with the necessary changes to compile pine. Thanks Pete -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- "If there's isn't a god, then who pops up the next kleenex?" Pete Geenhuizen, Systems Administrator, pete@rayleigh.tt.aftac.gov AFTAC PAFB Cocoa Beach, FL From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 11 13:14:09 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20329; Mon, 11 Dec 95 13:14:09 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14243; Mon, 11 Dec 95 13:06:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14237; Mon, 11 Dec 95 13:06:53 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tPFND-00038EC; Mon, 11 Dec 95 13:02 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: username_i@dep.state.fl.us (Your Name) Subject: stripping headers Date: 11 Dec 1995 16:25:08 GMT Message-Id: <4ahm14$6iu@epic68.dep.state.fl.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 I subscribe to a listserv group that issues only a digest version of postings. The problem is that there is a long header at the beginning of each digest AND a header before each posting. Does anyone know how I can strip these before reading? TIA jeanxyz jeanxyz@freenet.scri.fsu.edu youland_j@dep.state.fl.us From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 11 14:21:39 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23203; Mon, 11 Dec 95 14:21:39 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17828; Mon, 11 Dec 95 14:17:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17822; Mon, 11 Dec 95 14:17:04 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tPGWC-00038EC; Mon, 11 Dec 95 14:16 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sinners@netcom.com (Steve Inners) Subject: PINE for AT&T Unix 3.2???? where? Message-Id: Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 17:03:35 GMT I have tried running the SCO release of PINE 3.91 on an AT&T unix box without luck. It is kind of odd since we have installed most of the SCO uucp subsystem on this machine without any problems. Is there a binary out there for the AT&T Unix 3.2 platform? I haven't seen one that is explicitly noted as compiled for that platform at ftp.cac.washington.edu ... any ideas? PS .. the problem I am having with the SCO-PINE on the AT&T machine is when I try to execute it, I get the main menu displayed on the screen but it immediately dumps me to the o/s prompt. When I peruse the /.pine-debug1 file I can see an error related to "Select; Illegal arguement" as a "PINE PANIC:" error message. sort of like: PINE PANIC: Select; illegal arguement If this is of help .. I will be glad to post the debug file or portion of it. Thanks very much .... -- -Steve sinners@netcom.com ################################################### I brew, therefore I am. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 11 15:42:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27236; Mon, 11 Dec 95 15:42:31 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19112; Mon, 11 Dec 95 15:38:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19106; Mon, 11 Dec 95 15:37:59 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tPHjp-00038EC; Mon, 11 Dec 95 15:34 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rmw@netcom.com (Richard M. Weinapple) Subject: Attach plain-text files *without* MIME encoding? Message-Id: Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 18:48:24 GMT Help! Is there any way to get Unix Pine to attach plain-text ASCII files *without* encoding them in MIME format? My recipients are on Compuserve, and apparently their mailreaders don't know how to decode the MIME-encoded attachments. I haven't been able to figure out how to convince Pine *not* to encode the attachments. Thanks, Richard From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 11 17:35:28 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03394; Mon, 11 Dec 95 17:35:28 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24031; Mon, 11 Dec 95 17:32:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24025; Mon, 11 Dec 95 17:32:27 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tPJYZ-00038EC; Mon, 11 Dec 95 17:30 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Re: PLEASE HELP!!!! Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 10:39:54 -0500 Message-Id: References: <4a87h7$3aa@newshound.csrv.uidaho.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4a87h7$3aa@newshound.csrv.uidaho.edu> On 8 Dec 1995, Dan Garriott wrote: : Hello I have a question about PINE that I need answered. How do you get : rid of the little > symbols when you send a message back and forth? I : think you have to go into theconfigure mode and do a little changing but : I'm no tsure. If you know hte answer to this PLEASE HELP me! Sorry, but this is part of Pine's behavior, and I know of no way to suppress it through a configuration option. In replies, you can always edit out the >'s by hand, or there are various ways of dealing with it through the editor or alternate-editor options (as I did when I changed the > to : above). Paul -------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett P. O. Box 857 Vienna, VA 22183-0857 U.S.A. Finger, keyserver, or WWW for PGP 2.6.2 public key URL: http://www.access.digex.net/~pobart -------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 11 17:36:53 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03436; Mon, 11 Dec 95 17:36:53 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24039; Mon, 11 Dec 95 17:32:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24033; Mon, 11 Dec 95 17:32:31 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tPJZ2-00038IC; Mon, 11 Dec 95 17:31 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: yyouland_j@dep.state.fl.us (youland_j@dep.state.fl.us) Subject: Re: stripping headers, I do have a name, apology Date: 11 Dec 1995 16:30:28 GMT Message-Id: <4ahmb4$6iu@epic68.dep.state.fl.us> References: <4ahm14$6iu@epic68.dep.state.fl.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 In article <4ahm14$6iu@epic68.dep.state.fl.us>, username_i@dep.state.fl.us says... my apologies for the no-name posting. I've fixed it now, I hope. jeanxyz From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 11 17:40:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03555; Mon, 11 Dec 95 17:40:06 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22480; Mon, 11 Dec 95 17:32:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22474; Mon, 11 Dec 95 17:32:29 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tPJZ1-00038HC; Mon, 11 Dec 95 17:31 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jcygan@gateway.wiltel.com (Joe Cygan) Subject: Bug in Pine detected????? Date: 11 Dec 1995 16:53:48 GMT Message-Id: <4ahnms$8vb@gateway.wcom.com> I was installed pine on the DG/UX platform. Works fine with one exception When I try to reply to a message I get the following message from pine and it exits: ------------------------------------------------------------------ Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal". Exiting pine. Attempting to save debug file to /home/jcygan/.pine-crash ABORT instruction (core dumped) ----------------------------------------------------------------- AND, here's the .pine-crash file I hope somebody can help! :-> .pine-crash: Debug output of the Pine program (at debug level 2). Version 3.91 Mon Dec 11 10:29:59 1995 reading_pinerc "/usr/local/lib/pine.conf" Open failed: Not a directory reading_pinerc "/home/jcygan/.pinerc" Read 5632 characters: reading_pinerc "/usr/local/lib/pine.conf.fixed" Open failed: Not a directory ======= Current_val options set ======= inbox-path : inbox folder-collections : mail/[] default-fcc : sent-mail postponed-folder : postponed-msgs mail-directory : mail signature-file : .signature address-book : .addressbook feature-list : enable-alternate-editor-cmd : enable-full-header-cmd : enable-unix-pipe-cmd : expanded-view-of-addressbooks : expanded-view-of-folders : include-header-in-reply : include-text-in-reply saved-msg-name-rule : default-folder fcc-name-rule : default-fcc sort-key : arrival addrbook-sort-rule : fullname-with-lists-last editor : /local/bin/joe use-only-domain-name : no printer : attached-to-ansi standard-printer : lp last-time-prune-ques : 95.12 last-version-used : 3.91 bugs-fullname : Pine Developers bugs-address : pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu elm-style-save : no header-in-reply : no feature-level : sapling old-style-reply : no save-by-sender : no ======= Command_line_val options set ======= ======= User_val options set (/home/jcygan/.pinerc) ======= feature-list : enable-alternate-editor-cmd : enable-full-header-cmd : enable-unix-pipe-cmd : expanded-view-of-addressbooks : expanded-view-of-folders : include-header-in-reply : include-text-in-reply editor : /local/bin/joe last-time-prune-ques : 95.12 last-version-used : 3.91 ======= Global_val options set (/usr/local/lib/pine.conf) ======= inbox-path : inbox default-fcc : sent-mail postponed-folder : postponed-msgs mail-directory : mail signature-file : .signature address-book : .addressbook saved-msg-name-rule : default-folder fcc-name-rule : default-fcc sort-key : arrival addrbook-sort-rule : fullname-with-lists-last use-only-domain-name : no printer : attached-to-ansi standard-printer : lp bugs-fullname : Pine Developers bugs-address : pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu elm-style-save : no header-in-reply : no feature-level : sapling old-style-reply : no save-by-sender : no ======= Fixed_val options set (NO pine.conf.fixed) ======= ========== Feature settings ========== no-assume-slow-link no-auto-move-read-msgs no-auto-open-next-unread no-compose-rejects-unqualified-addrs no-compose-sets-newsgroup-without-confirm no-delete-skips-deleted no-disable-config-cmd no-disable-keyboard-lock-cmd no-disable-password-cmd no-disable-update-cmd no-enable-aggregate-command-set enable-alternate-editor-cmd no-enable-alternate-editor-implicitly no-enable-bounce-cmd no-enable-flag-cmd enable-full-header-cmd no-enable-incoming-folders no-enable-jump-shortcut no-enable-mail-check-cue no-enable-suspend no-enable-tab-completion enable-unix-pipe-cmd expanded-view-of-addressbooks expanded-view-of-folders no-expunge-without-confirm no-include-attachments-in-reply include-header-in-reply include-text-in-reply no-news-approximates-new-status no-news-post-without-validation no-news-read-in-newsrc-order no-preserve-start-stop-characters no-quell-user-lookup-in-passwd-file no-quit-without-confirm no-save-will-quote-leading-froms no-save-will-not-delete no-save-will-advance no-select-without-confirm no-show-selected-in-boldface no-signature-at-bottom no-use-current-dir no-use-function-keys Userid: jcygan Fullname: "Joe Cygan" User domain name being used "" Local Domain name being used "operator" Host name being used "operator" Mail Domain name being used (by c-client too)"operator" Context mail/[] type: LOCAL new win size -----<25 80>------ Terminal type: xterm Context mail/[] type: LOCAL About to open folder "INBOX" inbox: "INBOX" Opened folder "/var/mail/jcygan" with 1 messages Sorting by Arrival IMAP 10:30 12/11 mm_log babble: Find of mailbox outside context: /home/jcygan/.pine-interrupted-mail - mailcap_free - ---- MAIN_MENU_SCREEN ---- ---- MAIL INDEX ---- ---- INDEX MANAGER ---- ----- MAIL VIEW ----- done. - build_address - -- init_addrbooks(Closed, 0, 0, 1) -- - adrbk_open(.addressbook) - Address book .addressbook (.addressbook) opened with 0 items - adrbk_lookup_by_addr(jcygan@operator.san.wcom.com) (in /home/jcygan/.addressbook) - done. === send called === ---- COMPOSER ---- about to end_tty_driver Pine Panic: Received abort signal save_debug_on_crash: Version 3.91: debug level 2 : Mon Dec 11 10:30:11 1995 Attempting to save debug file to /home/jcygan/.pine-crash From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 11 18:35:53 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05496; Mon, 11 Dec 95 18:35:53 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23819; Mon, 11 Dec 95 18:32:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23811; Mon, 11 Dec 95 18:32:34 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tPKVU-00038EC; Mon, 11 Dec 95 18:31 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gabe@cpcug.org (Gabe Goldberg) Subject: Re: Aliases in Pine Date: 9 Dec 1995 03:09:11 GMT Message-Id: <4aaukn$573@news4.digex.net> References: martin.spohn@zdv.uni-tuebingen.de wrote: : is there a maximum number of recipients that I can add to a list? We've had difficulty with mailing lists because of system parameters set external to Pine that restrict the number of addressees for email. So we had to split a list of several hundred addresses to 100-name chunks. You might ask your mail or system administrators if they've imposed such restrictions. -- Gabriel Goldberg, Computers and Publishing, Inc. 7718 Iroquois Court, Falls Church, VA 22043-2516 Internet: gabe@cpcug.org Voice: (703) 556-9121 FAX: (703) 556-0906 Alternate: gabe@acm.org From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 11 23:28:46 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12264; Mon, 11 Dec 95 23:28:46 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00213; Mon, 11 Dec 95 23:23:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00207; Mon, 11 Dec 95 23:23:08 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tPOzh-00038DC; Mon, 11 Dec 95 23:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Russ Allbery Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 11 Dec 1995 17:45:13 -0800 Message-Id: References: <49vgqd$5h6@zuul.nmti.com> <4a5h6d$9k5@calliope.wln.com> In-Reply-To: Mark Crispin's message of Sun, 10 Dec 1995 21:37:15 -0800 In news.admin.misc, Mark Crispin writes: > A realistic approach for you should be to switch to a mail agent that > doesn't put bogus "Newsgroups" headers into your mail. Mark, that's simply not productive. rn was around *LONG* before Pine ever showed up, and putting the Newgroups: line in responses to postings is the accepted behavior. Almost every Unix newsreader I've used does that. Any Internet-related software needs to allow for and work with the existing software. There's simply *far* too large of an existing software base to expect it all to change because you want to do something different (even if what you want is better, which I disagree with). Saying "then fix the existing software" is not an acceptable answer. If the Pine development team has decided that they are simply going to refuse to change this, fine. It's their software; they can do whatever they please. Just say so, so that the rest of us can start actively encouraging people to use a different mail reader that can better handle the realities of Internet communications. -- Russ Allbery (rra@cs.stanford.edu) http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~rra/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 11 23:32:22 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12323; Mon, 11 Dec 95 23:32:22 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28978; Mon, 11 Dec 95 23:28:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28972; Mon, 11 Dec 95 23:28:12 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tPP6p-00038HC; Mon, 11 Dec 95 23:26 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stankerr@ux6.cso.uiuc.edu (Stan Kerr) Subject: Printing messages in Pine Date: 11 Dec 1995 18:55:17 GMT Message-Id: <4ahuql$89@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Printing messsages in Pine using the attached-to-ansi printing option works in several configurations we have here (Mac NCSA Telnet 2.6 and 2.7; PC/TCP and WinQVT). One of my clients says it's not working in a Microsoft TCPIP environment, but I don't consult on PC's much so I can't help. Does anyone here know if this can be done in the Microsoft environment? A response by email would be nice, but I will be checking the newsgroup. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 11 23:33:09 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12353; Mon, 11 Dec 95 23:33:09 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00269; Mon, 11 Dec 95 23:28:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00263; Mon, 11 Dec 95 23:28:10 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tPP6o-00038EC; Mon, 11 Dec 95 23:26 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Joel Frank Subject: print? Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 21:44:21 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am usig pine on my notebook. How do I save e-mail or text from pine or the net to my notebook so I can print it. My phone line is not near my printer. I have windows, WP and a laser printer Please reply to my address and the group if someone else has this question. Joel Frank From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 11 23:35:39 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12410; Mon, 11 Dec 95 23:35:39 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28970; Mon, 11 Dec 95 23:28:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28964; Mon, 11 Dec 95 23:28:09 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tPP6o-00038DC; Mon, 11 Dec 95 23:26 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mraaum@ask.uio.no (Margrete Raaum) Subject: Re: Any way to get copies of e-mail I sent with Pine? Date: 11 Dec 1995 17:02:43 GMT Message-Id: <4aho7j$s72@ratatosk.uio.no> References: In article , bjb@nwu.edu (bjb) writes: > Thought it saved automatically, but can't find it. > Maybe I assumed incorrectly? Take a look in your pinerc-file. It will tell you name and location of your folders (saved-msg-name-rule). (often ~/mail/sent-mail under unix, \PINE\something under DOS) Margrete From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 11 23:57:43 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12955; Mon, 11 Dec 95 23:57:43 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00663; Mon, 11 Dec 95 23:53:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00657; Mon, 11 Dec 95 23:53:11 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tPPRi-00038DC; Mon, 11 Dec 95 23:48 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: peter@nmti.com (Peter da Silva) Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 8 Dec 1995 20:26:12 GMT Message-Id: <4aa714$3e6@zuul.nmti.com> References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> <4a1it2$pp@zuul.nmti.com> <4a86ga$dnt@zuul.nmti.com> In article , > You don't use Pine, and based entirely on hearsay you complained about a > problem which does not exist and can not exist in any released version of > Pine. That's like saying "you don't drink and drive, and based entirely on heresay you complained about a problem that doesn't exist in our cars and can not exist in any released version of our cars". The problem I'm complaining about is: 1. Pine loses the distinction between news and mail. 2. People are getting hurt as a result. You stated flat out that there is no way to distinguish news and mail. Many people, myself among them, disagreed. You made some changes in the user interface, but people kept on getting hurt. You did not clearly indicate that further changes were being contemplated, choosing instead to harp on this philosophy you have that news and mail should be indistinguishable. I'm really glad to see you found a solution, but all these red herrings are beside the point. I don't need to drink and drive to get hit by a drunk driver. I don't need to use Pine to be aware that there's a problem with it. > You even harassed me about this on alt.sys.pdp-10, of all inappropriate > newsgroups! I don't think I brought the subject up in a.s.p10, but it's possible. But once it came up I consistently reset followups *out* of the group because it *was* inappropriate. Why people insisted on setting them back is not something I care to speculate and in any case is beyond my control. > Perhaps the next time that you think that you are not being answered, you > should try listening. Perhaps the next time that your answer doesn't seem to be accepted, you could try listening to the question again. -- Peter da Silva (NIC: PJD2) `-_-' 1601 Industrial Boulevard Bailey Network Management 'U` Sugar Land, TX 77487-5013 +1 713 274 5180 "Har du kramat din varg idag?" USA Bailey pays for my technical expertise. My opinions probably scare them From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 12 00:09:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13191; Tue, 12 Dec 95 00:09:31 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29541; Tue, 12 Dec 95 00:03:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29535; Tue, 12 Dec 95 00:03:13 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tPPdr-00038EC; Tue, 12 Dec 95 00:00 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "James M. Cobb" Subject: Re: PLEASE HELP!!!! Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 01:07:56 -0500 Message-Id: References: <4a87h7$3aa@newshound.csrv.uidaho.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4a87h7$3aa@newshound.csrv.uidaho.edu> Friend, Export the document you wish to forward to a one-letter filename. Open the compose message screen. Complete header. Complete your message. Four lines below your normal (not .signature file) signature, type INCLOSURE: and drop down two more lines. Press ^R. Type the one letter filename. Check over your message for readabil- ity, making necessary corrections. Press ^X. Type y. Keep the one-letter filename for re-use. When you ex- port another document to it, choose overwrite (or in appropriate circumstances append). Continue the cycle as needed, never failing to check for readability. Cordially, Jim From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 12 03:52:04 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17887; Tue, 12 Dec 95 03:52:04 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03598; Tue, 12 Dec 95 03:29:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03592; Tue, 12 Dec 95 03:29:07 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tPSt9-00038LC; Tue, 12 Dec 95 03:28 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Kathrene R Conway Subject: Emptying mail? Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 08:13:46 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am using pine with a Unix system. Even though I delete messages and they are later no longer there, the command ls -l shows that the mbox is still taking up the same amount of memory. Why? Kathrene Conway kconway@selway.umt.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 12 06:38:05 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21858; Tue, 12 Dec 95 06:38:05 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05218; Tue, 12 Dec 95 06:29:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05212; Tue, 12 Dec 95 06:29:26 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tPVgk-00038HC; Tue, 12 Dec 95 06:28 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: qq11@liverpool.ac.uk (Alan Thew) Subject: Re: VERY! long sorting of folders Message-Id: References: Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 19:52:53 GMT On 9 Dec 1995 08:33:33 -0800 , Andrej Borsenkow (borsenkow.msk@sni.de) wrote: : Hi, all! : : I already posted it, but it is getting really bad. I wasn't able for one : week to look into my post. When I tried to do it, I had (for example) one : folder with 99 messages (nice value) and other (pine-info! surprise) with : 250 and some. : : It took 2 minutes 24 seconds to sort first and over 10 minutes the second!!! : Have you tried Unix pine with imap? If this is OK, PC pine is the problem. I've seen exactly the same thing as you. -- Alan Thew alan.thew@liv.ac.uk ...!uknet!liv!alan.thew Tel: +44 151 794-4497 University of Liverpool, Computing Services Fax: +44 151 794-4442 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 12 06:54:41 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22303; Tue, 12 Dec 95 06:54:41 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06332; Tue, 12 Dec 95 06:34:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06326; Tue, 12 Dec 95 06:34:26 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tPVl7-00038DC; Tue, 12 Dec 95 06:32 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: zach@world.std.com (Zachary H Leber) Subject: sending mail to nowhere Message-Id: Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 10:21:43 GMT Is there a way to send mail to a dummy address that doesn't go anywhere but doesn't get returned? The reason for this is to put a dummy name such as To: distribution , and put the real recipients in Bcc for big lists. Addressing it to myself is the current scheme, but then sometimes people think the mail is not for them. Please email to zach@world.std.com. Thanks. -- ----------------------------------------------------- | Zach Leber | zach@world.std.com | | RSA | | | 22 Terry Avenue | Tel: 617-238-0600 x1312 | From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 12 07:01:51 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22504; Tue, 12 Dec 95 07:01:51 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06446; Tue, 12 Dec 95 06:39:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from visla.utia.cas.cz by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06440; Tue, 12 Dec 95 06:39:06 -0800 Received: by visla.utia.cas.cz (16.7/16.2) id AA04341; Tue, 12 Dec 95 15:37:22 +0100 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 15:37:22 +0100 (MET) From: Vladimir Solnicky =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=28Vladim=EDr_Solnick=FD=29?= To: Jason Saling Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Mime text (ISO-8859-1) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Postal-Address: UTIA AV CR; Pod vodarenskou vezi 4; 182 08 Praha 8-Liben; Czech Republic Acknowledge-To: vs@utia.cas.cz Organization: Institute of Information Theory and Automation (UTIA AV CR) Organizace: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=DAstav_teorie_informace_a_automatizace_(=DATIA)_AV_=C8R?= Transport-Options: /delivery /return Read-Receipt-To: vs@utia.cas.cz X-Chameleon-Receipt-To: vs@utia.cas.cz X-Chameleon-Return-To: vs@utia.cas.cz X-Chameleon-Read-To: vs@utia.cas.cz X-Confirm-Reading-To: vs@utia.cas.cz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On Mon, 11 Dec 1995, Jason Saling wrote: > > : Here is my situation. I as the unix sys admin receive mail from many > > : MAC users (msmail) who login to the unix servers. When I receive=20 > > : their messages it appears to be in MIME format, therefore I must > > : press V to view the text (Latin text ISO-8859-1) of their messages. > > : This is not a big task, but after 5000000000000 times it can become > > : annoying. =20 I do not use any MacIntosh, but I heard some Mac mailing program tags sent messages with a name (I think it was ``Message Body'' or something similar) so that message bodies appear as attachments. If I remember well, one man from Sveden created a patch (for some platforms only--including SGI and HP) which solves it. But I am not sure I can publish his patch as I received it personally. I will try to ask him (or maybe he wiil read this notice and answer himself). Regards, V. S. | | Bc. Vladimir Solnicky (Vladim=EDr Solnick=FD using ISO 8859-1 or 2) | | Institute of Information UTIA AV CR \/ Theory and Automation Pod vodarenskou vezi 4 Department of Computing Systems 182 08 Praha 8-Liben +42 2 6605/2212 fax: +42 2 6884677 Czech Republic +42 2 6605/2364 e-mail: vs@utia.cas.cz ftp.utia.cas.cz http://www.utia.cas.cz/user_data/vs/vs-home.html From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 12 08:02:03 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23831; Tue, 12 Dec 95 08:02:03 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06549; Tue, 12 Dec 95 07:44:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from server.bridgeway.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06542; Tue, 12 Dec 95 07:44:07 -0800 Received: (from andrew@localhost) by server.bridgeway.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id HAA26423; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 07:46:23 -0800 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 07:46:22 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Le To: Kathrene R Conway Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Emptying mail? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 8 Dec 1995, Kathrene R Conway wrote: > > I am using pine with a Unix system. Even though I delete messages and > they are later no longer there, the command ls -l shows that the mbox is > still taking up the same amount of memory. Why? > mbox holds your "saved" and "sent" letters, it does not hold "incoming" letters which you delete. incoming letters are usually held in /usr/spool/mail/ directory, not in your mbox.... Andrew From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 12 08:37:21 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25153; Tue, 12 Dec 95 08:37:21 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07383; Tue, 12 Dec 95 08:23:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from bebop.epas.utoronto.ca by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07377; Tue, 12 Dec 95 08:23:30 -0800 Received: from blues.epas.utoronto.ca by bebop.epas.utoronto.ca via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/940406.SGI) for <@bebop.epas.utoronto.ca:pine-info@cac.washington.edu> id LAA05730; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 11:23:28 -0500 Received: by blues.epas.utoronto.ca (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/930416.SGI) for pine-info@cac.washington.edu id LAA26273; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 11:23:27 -0500 From: Eleanor Patricia Vicari Message-Id: <199512121623.LAA26273@blues.epas.utoronto.ca> Subject: Query re Pine To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 11:23:27 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 232 Can you please tell me how to return to the main screen (where all the messages are listed) after I have finished reading a message, and also how to quit Pine? Thanks. -- P. Vicari pvicari@epas.utoronto.ca From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 12 09:10:07 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27359; Tue, 12 Dec 95 09:10:07 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08469; Tue, 12 Dec 95 09:02:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from server.bridgeway.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08463; Tue, 12 Dec 95 09:02:39 -0800 Received: (from andrew@localhost) by server.bridgeway.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id JAA26744; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 09:04:48 -0800 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 09:04:47 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Le To: Eleanor Patricia Vicari Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Query re Pine In-Reply-To: <199512121623.LAA26273@blues.epas.utoronto.ca> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 12 Dec 1995, Eleanor Patricia Vicari wrote: > Can you please tell me how to return to the main screen (where all the > messages are listed) after I have finished reading a message, and also > how to quit Pine? Thanks. > -- > P. Vicari pvicari@epas.utoronto.ca Simple, just hit "m" for main screen, and then hit "q" for quit.... You should be able to see a list of commands at bottom of your screen if you forget the commands... Andrew From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 12 09:13:26 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27502; Tue, 12 Dec 95 09:13:26 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08733; Tue, 12 Dec 95 09:04:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08727; Tue, 12 Dec 95 09:04:46 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tPY74-00038EC; Tue, 12 Dec 95 09:03 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bottasini@cesi.it (Giuseppe Bottasini) Subject: IMAP addon ofr Win95 Exchange Message-Id: <1995Dec4.110501.937@cesi> Date: 4 Dec 95 11:05:01 +0100 Is there anywhere an IMAP addon for Win95 Exchange ? I would like to use Win95 Exchange as an IMAP client to connect to our test IMAP server imapd. TIA Giuseppe Bottasini bottasini@cesi.it From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 12 09:21:05 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28005; Tue, 12 Dec 95 09:21:05 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08875; Tue, 12 Dec 95 09:07:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from bock.ucs.ualberta.ca by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08869; Tue, 12 Dec 95 09:07:44 -0800 Received: from maildrop.srv.ualberta.ca by bock.ucs.ualberta.ca with ESMTP (8.6.5/UA3.0.0June95) id KAA07068 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 10:07:42 -0700 Received: from gpu4.srv.ualberta.ca (maldridg@gpu4.srv.ualberta.ca [129.128.98.18]) by maildrop.srv.ualberta.ca (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA32118 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 10:07:42 -0700 Received: by gpu4.srv.ualberta.ca (8.6.9) id KAA52470; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 10:07:41 -0700 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 10:07:41 -0700 (MST) From: Lea X-Sender: maldridg@gpu4.srv.ualberta.ca To: Pine Information List Subject: Re: Query re Pine In-Reply-To: <199512121623.LAA26273@blues.epas.utoronto.ca> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 12 Dec 1995, Eleanor Patricia Vicari wrote: > Can you please tell me how to return to the main screen (where all the > messages are listed) after I have finished reading a message, and also Hit m to return to the main menu. > how to quit Pine? Thanks. Hit q to quit. Then respond to Pine's queries as to whether you want to expunge messages marked 'deleted'... Lea ---------------------------------------------- Marianne Aldridge (Lea) CNS Consulting Team; CWIS WWW/gopher admin; Helpdesk maldridg@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca OR helpdesk@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca 492-9380 (voicemail) OR 492-9400 (helpdesk) . (D)inner not ready: (A)bort (R)etry (P)izza ---------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 12 10:16:19 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00911; Tue, 12 Dec 95 10:16:19 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10528; Tue, 12 Dec 95 10:04:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10521; Tue, 12 Dec 95 10:04:54 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tPZ0k-00038EC; Tue, 12 Dec 95 10:01 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Karl R. Asseily" Subject: Bug when 'w' at the prompt?? Date: 11 Dec 1995 21:59:44 GMT Message-Id: <4ai9kg$75m@pathfinder.cybersrv.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, When someone on my system is running pine and I type 'w' at my prompt to see who is logged on, I see a number under the WHAT field of the person using pine, instead of seeing 'pine'. What does that nbr correspond to? Any ideas how to fix that? Karl From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 12 10:16:22 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00921; Tue, 12 Dec 95 10:16:22 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11298; Tue, 12 Dec 95 10:04:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11292; Tue, 12 Dec 95 10:04:52 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tPZ0h-00038DC; Tue, 12 Dec 95 10:01 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mullaney@fc.hp.com (David Mullaney) Subject: Re: Attach plain-text files *without* MIME encoding? Date: 11 Dec 1995 21:49:53 GMT Message-Id: <4ai921$4m7@fcnews.fc.hp.com> References: Richard M. Weinapple (rmw@netcom.com) wrote: : Help! : Is there any way to get Unix Pine to attach plain-text ASCII : files *without* encoding them in MIME format? My recipients I just (^R)ead the text file into the actual letter. -- + DAVID MULLANEY Mailstop #99, Loctn. 1UN5 (970) 229-7629 + + > Net: mullaney@fc.hp.com http://hpfcdn/ -*- fax 2838 + + > Software Engineer -- Ignition/UDL/OSSD /\/\/\ + + > Hewlett-Packard, Ft. Collins, Colorado _-/\^^/ \ + From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 12 10:20:10 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01081; Tue, 12 Dec 95 10:20:10 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11306; Tue, 12 Dec 95 10:04:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11300; Tue, 12 Dec 95 10:04:56 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tPZ0w-00038HC; Tue, 12 Dec 95 10:01 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sethb@panix.com (Seth Breidbart) Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 11 Dec 1995 16:45:21 -0500 Message-Id: <4ai8ph$h27@panix3.panix.com> References: <49vgqd$5h6@zuul.nmti.com> <4a5h6d$9k5@calliope.wln.com> In article , Mark Crispin wrote: >On Sun, 10 Dec 1995, Tim Pierce wrote: >> In article <4a5h6d$9k5@calliope.wln.com>, kruise wrote: >> >I'm getting sick of >> >all the bitching about Pine going on in this group. If you don't like it >> >switch to something else! >> >> Sad to say, I can't seem to persuade everyone who's posting >> excerpts from my private mail to switch to a mail agent that won't >> do that so easily. So I don't think that's really a realistic >> option, dearly appreciated though it is. > >A realistic approach for you should be to switch to a mail agent that >doesn't put bogus "Newsgroups" headers into your mail. There's a command to change that header to X-Newsgroups-because-Pine-is-braindead: which won't cause unintentional posting when you mail to naive users. Seth From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 12 11:32:17 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04687; Tue, 12 Dec 95 11:32:17 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12776; Tue, 12 Dec 95 11:20:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12770; Tue, 12 Dec 95 11:20:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tPaCn-00038DC; Tue, 12 Dec 95 11:17 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: fdboer@baan.nl (Feico de Boer) Subject: Re: using ispell with pico... Message-Id: Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 16:20:38 GMT References: In article , Witch's Bear (wthater@cldx.com) scribbled: > outside of pine that is. what's the syntax for setting the environment > variable SPELL? >From the pico man page: > Spell checking can be cancelled at any time. Alternatively, > pico will substitute for the default spell checking routine a routine > defined by the SPELL environment variable. The replacement routine > should read standard input and write standard output. So, something like below should do the trick: -- snip snip -- #! /bin/ksh TMPFILE=/usr/tmp/pico.spell.$$ cat > $TMPFILE ispell $TMPFILE cat $TMPFILE rm $TMPFILE -- snip snip -- Beware, should work does not mean will work. I tried the above and it appears that ispell can't access the tty while pico is still on. So, it didn't work for me. Greetings, -- Feico de Boer Baan Europe B.V. Porting Engineer Porting and Benchmarking Centre Baron van Nagellstraat 89 Email: fdboer@baan.nl P.O. Box 143 Phone: +31-3420-28888 3770 AC BARNEVELD Fax : +31-3420-28606 The Netherlands [my employer only sponsors the bandwidth, not my opinions] From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 12 11:45:36 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05697; Tue, 12 Dec 95 11:45:36 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13789; Tue, 12 Dec 95 11:40:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13783; Tue, 12 Dec 95 11:40:03 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tPaUe-00038EC; Tue, 12 Dec 95 11:36 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Tim Pierce Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Message-Id: References: <49vgqd$5h6@zuul.nmti.com> <4a5h6d$9k5@calliope.wln.com> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 18:10:51 GMT In article , Mark Crispin wrote: >On Sun, 10 Dec 1995, Tim Pierce wrote: > >> Sad to say, I can't seem to persuade everyone who's posting >> excerpts from my private mail to switch to a mail agent that won't >> do that so easily. So I don't think that's really a realistic >> option, dearly appreciated though it is. > >A realistic approach for you should be to switch to a mail agent that >doesn't put bogus "Newsgroups" headers into your mail. Indeed, I have. But (surprised?) this doesn't quite solve the problem for me: as a newsgroup moderator, I sometimes receive "posts" sent to my mailbox made by unsuspecting users. Since I cannot tell that there is anything out of the ordinary about these posts, I go ahead and approve them, which then creates no small amount of displeasure on the part of the wronged parties. Any ideas, O Insightful One? -- By sending unsolicited commercially-oriented e-mail to this address, the sender agrees to pay a $100 flat fee to the recipient for proofreading services. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 12 17:11:50 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22701; Tue, 12 Dec 95 17:11:50 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22087; Tue, 12 Dec 95 16:59:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from [198.59.47.10] by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22081; Tue, 12 Dec 95 16:58:56 -0800 Received: by libsys.CI.FORT-COLLINS.CO.US (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA09297; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 18:02:07 -0700 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 18:02:06 -0700 (MST) From: Rudi VanCeylon To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: pine-debug files Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII We've just installed pine on our system. It's great! I was just wondering what are these .pine-debug files that appear in each user directory? [Rudi] From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 13 07:05:52 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12079; Wed, 13 Dec 95 07:05:52 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05212; Wed, 13 Dec 95 06:47:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05206; Wed, 13 Dec 95 06:47:44 -0800 Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (aixterm1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de with SMTP id AA21078 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 13 Dec 1995 15:43:52 +0100 Received: by ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03aixterm1) id AA68069; Wed, 13 Dec 1995 15:43:46 +0100 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 15:43:45 +0100 (CET) From: Steffen Laeuger X-Sender: slaeuger@aixterm1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: this is a recording (last changed Sep 25 11:31) In-Reply-To: <9512122014.AA04092@docserver.cac.washington.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello, two days ago I sent a message to your robot !!! Your robot told me to use this Mailadress, because the other adress is a robot adress. So I am doing as your robot told me !!! I wanted to tell you, that the program pine is a fine thing for writing mails. The only problem, which some people would have is the englisch. The problem is, that there are no books in German for learnig "How to use pine". Not everybody is speaking English. I am sure, that I am doing a lot of mistakes. I hope, that you think about this lines !!! If possible, please answer this lines. Yours Steffen From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 13 07:53:18 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13222; Wed, 13 Dec 95 07:53:18 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05766; Wed, 13 Dec 95 07:25:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mail.sni.de by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05760; Wed, 13 Dec 95 07:25:06 -0800 Received: (from nerv@localhost) by nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA19961 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Wed, 13 Dec 1995 16:22:47 +0100 Received: from ao5.mow.sni.de (itspc5.mow.sni.de [149.202.148.207]) by itsmx1.mow.sni.de (8.7.3/8.7.2) with SMTP id SAA16596 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 1995 18:24:36 +0300 (OET) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 18:25:10 +0300 (EET) From: Andrej Borsenkow Reply-To: borsenkow.msk@sni.de Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: VERY! long sorting of folders X-Sender: bor@itsmx1.mow.sni.de In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 11 Dec 1995, Alan Thew wrote: > On 9 Dec 1995 08:33:33 -0800 , Andrej Borsenkow (borsenkow.msk@sni.de) wrote: > : Hi, all! > : > : I already posted it, but it is getting really bad. I wasn't able for one > : week to look into my post. When I tried to do it, I had (for example) one > : folder with 99 messages (nice value) and other (pine-info! surprise) with > : 250 and some. > : > : It took 2 minutes 24 seconds to sort first and over 10 minutes the second!!! > : > Have you tried Unix pine with imap? If this is OK, PC pine is the problem. > I've seen exactly the same thing as you. Yes, done. (On the same host, but it shouldn't make any difference). It works excellent. So it seems to be the PC Pine version problem. In hope, that it will ever be fixed :-) greetings ---------------------------------------------------- Andrej Borsenkow E-Mail: borsenkow.msk@sni.de SNI ITS, Moscow Phone: +7 (095) 252 13 88 ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 13 08:28:01 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14759; Wed, 13 Dec 95 08:28:01 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06682; Wed, 13 Dec 95 08:09:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mail.sni.de by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06670; Wed, 13 Dec 95 08:09:18 -0800 Received: (from nerv@localhost) by nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA22184 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Wed, 13 Dec 1995 17:07:04 +0100 Received: from ao5.mow.sni.de (itspc5.mow.sni.de [149.202.148.207]) by itsmx1.mow.sni.de (8.7.3/8.7.2) with SMTP id TAA16755 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 1995 19:08:55 +0300 (OET) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 19:09:29 +0300 (EET) From: Andrej Borsenkow Reply-To: borsenkow.msk@sni.de To: Pine Mailing list Subject: Deleting folder forom Incoming collection X-Sender: bor@itsmx1.mow.sni.de Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi all! Is there any way to delete or rename ALIAS for incoming folder and not the folder itself (that is, corresponding file). I tried it with Pine 3.91 on Unix, folders are local, and if I try to delete a folder in incoming collection it is lost forever!! I cannot also rename the folder (or rather alias) - hitting R I get only error message. So to rename the incoming folder I currently have to copy it, delete old and create new with new name. Do I miss something? thanks in advance ---------------------------------------------------- Andrej Borsenkow E-Mail: borsenkow.msk@sni.de SNI ITS, Moscow Phone: +7 (095) 252 13 88 ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 13 19:56:56 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22018; Wed, 13 Dec 95 19:56:56 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25430; Wed, 13 Dec 95 19:49:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mail.bcpl.lib.md.us by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25424; Wed, 13 Dec 95 19:49:58 -0800 Received: by mail (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA26806; Wed, 13 Dec 1995 22:52:45 +0500 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 22:52:45 -0500 (EST) From: Chip Old X-Sender: fold@mail To: Jim Murphy Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: request for information In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1069 On Fri, 8 Dec 1995, Jim Murphy wrote: > Is it possible to have PINE automagically append a signature file based on > whether the message is local or non-local. I do this optionally by resetting > in setup - just wanted to do it without setup each time. No, but here's how to get much the same effect: Create a generic .signature file that Pine will read in automatically when you compose a message. Also create one or more special-purpose signature files under other names to use when your standard .signature isn't appropriate. To use one of the special-purpose signatures, use ^K to delete the standard one from your message and ^R to read in the new one. That's a lot easier than changing your Pine configuration each time you want to switch signatures. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Francis E. Old (Chip Old) Internet: fold@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us Internetworking Administrator Voice: (410) 887-6180 Baltimore County Public Library FAX: (410) 887-2091 320 York Road Towson, Maryland 21204 USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 14 10:55:02 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15714; Thu, 14 Dec 95 10:55:02 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11274; Thu, 14 Dec 95 10:40:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from coyote.rain.org by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11268; Thu, 14 Dec 95 10:40:39 -0800 Received: from $ (port10.rain.org [198.68.144.110]) by coyote.rain.org (8.6.12/CSE) with SMTP id KAA14438 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 1995 10:41:53 -0800 Message-Id: <30D000E0.3086@rain.org> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 10:48:00 +0000 From: cec communications Reply-To: grccom@rain.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b1 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: (none) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have over 500 email address I want to send a message to. When I try to paste in a handful (10 or more) the names spill over the TO, CC, SUBJECT and into the message content area. How can I work with that many names? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 14 11:29:39 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17425; Thu, 14 Dec 95 11:29:39 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13381; Thu, 14 Dec 95 11:19:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13375; Thu, 14 Dec 95 11:19:33 -0800 Received: from localhost by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10508; Thu, 14 Dec 95 11:19:29 -0800 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 11:19:29 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Hubert To: Zachary H Leber Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: sending mail to nowhere In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Organization: University of Washington; Computing and Communications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII You should be able to send to something like To: My Distribution List:; and have it go nowhere. Steve Hubert Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle On Wed, 29 Nov 1995, Zachary H Leber wrote: > Is there a way to send mail to a dummy address that doesn't go anywhere > but doesn't get returned? The reason for this is to put a dummy > name such as To: distribution , and put the real recipients > in Bcc for big lists. Addressing it to myself is the current scheme, > but then sometimes people think the mail is not for them. > > Please email to zach@world.std.com. Thanks. > -- > ----------------------------------------------------- > | Zach Leber | zach@world.std.com | > | RSA | | > | 22 Terry Avenue | Tel: 617-238-0600 x1312 | > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 14 11:53:39 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18753; Thu, 14 Dec 95 11:53:39 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12238; Thu, 14 Dec 95 11:14:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12231; Thu, 14 Dec 95 11:14:48 -0800 Received: from localhost by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10320; Thu, 14 Dec 95 11:14:31 -0800 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 11:14:30 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Hubert To: Johan Holmberg Cc: Pine News Group Subject: Re: A single '.' on a line (RFC1521 vs. PINE) Message-Id: Organization: University of Washington; Computing and Communications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 9 Dec 1995, Johan Holmberg wrote: > The handling of "From " is controlled by the compile time define > 'ENCODE_FROMS'. I have looked through the code but can't find any > corresponding code for handling of '.'. I just wanted to add a little more information on this. In pine 3.92, when we do encode we will encode the lone dots. Defining ENCODE_FROMS will trigger encoding based on "From "'s or "."'s. Dot is not handled in 3.91. Thanks. Steve Hubert Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 16 00:07:29 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27529; Sat, 16 Dec 95 00:07:29 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28104; Fri, 15 Dec 95 23:58:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mail.bcpl.lib.md.us by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28098; Fri, 15 Dec 95 23:58:34 -0800 Received: by mail (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA19367; Sat, 16 Dec 1995 03:01:26 +0500 Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 03:01:25 -0500 (EST) From: Chip Old X-Sender: fold@mail To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: The Y command In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 5446 On Thu, 7 Dec 1995 br00031@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu wrote: > I am helping someone, new to the net, learn to use pine. Their sevice > provider is running Free Bsd and Pine 3.91. They use a sinclair QL > computer. The Y (print) command does not work. I thought if I had a > better understanding of how the the command works I might be able to > fiddle around and get it to work. Any suggestions? Thanks for the help Here's the "canned answer" I send to our users who ask about printing from Pine. It's long... ----------------------------- The standard way to print a message while in Pine is to press "Y" while viewing the message oe while the message title is highlighted in the folder index. If the printing mode is set to "attached-to-ansi" (the default) in Pine's setup, Pine sends the appropriate VT100/ANSI commands to print the message on a printer attached to your terminal. This works fine if you are working at a real VT100 or VT102 terminal with a serial connection to the host computer, but you are not. Instead, you are using a personal computer with telecomm software set to emulate a VT100 or VT102 terminal, and you are connected to the host via modem. Many telecomm programs don't understand the VT100/ANSII printer commands sent out by Pine when you press "Y" to print a message. This isn't Pine's fault, its the fault of incomplete implementation of VT100 or VT102 terminal emulation in the telecomm software. Unfortunately, there are very few telecomm programs that have a really complete implementation of VT100 or VT102 emulation. Most of them handle VT screen display adequately, but fall flat when it comes to useful things like printing. It also isn't your printer's fault that you can't print properly from Pine. If your printer can print from other programs you use (word processor, spreadsheet, or whatever), then it would print messages from Pine if your telecomm program handled the VT100/ANSI printer commands correctly. There are several workarounds you can try. The first step in each of them is to save the message as a file in your home directory, as follows: o While viewing a message in Pine, press "E" to export the message. o When Pine prompts you for a file name to save to, enter a short easy to remember name. Do the same for every message you want to print. If you want each message to be in its own seperate file, give a different file name each time. Or, you can put them all into the same file by specifying the same file name each time (this makes things easier later on). This saves the messages in the specified files in your home directory on the host computer. o Quit Pine, then do one of the following depending on the capabilities of your telecomm software. How you do these things depends on how your telecomm software is designed, so refer to your manual if necessary. o If your telecomm software lets you scroll backward through a "scrollback buffer" (text that has gone off your screen), and if it lets you select and print text from the scrollback buffer, enter "cat filename" at the UNIX prompt (but substitute the actual file name you used for "filename"). This will scroll the text in the file down your screen. Scroll backwards to the beginning of the text, select it all, then use your telecomm program's "print selection" command to send the text to your printer. o If your telecomm program lets you capture text as it scrolls by on your screen and save it to a file on your hard disk, turn on the capture function in your telecomm program. Issue the "cat filename" command at the UNIX prompt. When all the text has scrolled by, turn off the capture function. After you have logged off, use your favorite word processor or text editor to open and print the capture file. o If your telecomm program allows youi to send text directly to your printer as it scrolls by on your screen, turn on the print function in your telecomm program. Issue the "cat filename" command at the UNIX prompt. When all the text has printed out, turn off the print function. o Some telecomm programs (like ZTerm for the Macintosh) "print" to your screen instead of to your printer when you press "Y" in Pine. If yours does this, you can use a modified version of the previous methods which makes it unnecessary to save the message to a file in your home directory. Turn on the capture file function or the print function (whichever your telecomm program can do), then press "Y". Pine will "print" the message to your screen, and your telecomm program will send the scrolling text to a file on your hard disk or directly to your printer. Or, let the text scroll by, then scroll back to the beginning, select all the text, and send the selection to your printer or to a file on your hard disk. o If all else fails, download the file from the server to your hard drive. Then use your favorite word processor or text editor to open and print the capture file. None of these are as easy as just pressing "Y" while reading a message in Pine, but they get the job done. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Francis E. Old (Chip Old) Internet: fold@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us Internetworking Administrator Voice: (410) 887-6180 Baltimore County Public Library FAX: (410) 887-2091 320 York Road Towson, Maryland 21204 USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 16 03:04:58 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00744; Sat, 16 Dec 95 03:04:58 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28764; Sat, 16 Dec 95 03:00:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28758; Sat, 16 Dec 95 03:00:11 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tQuH3-00038TC; Sat, 16 Dec 95 02:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: kruise@rs6a.wln.com (kruise) Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 7 Dec 1995 01:49:01 GMT Message-Id: <4a5h6d$9k5@calliope.wln.com> References: <49vgqd$5h6@zuul.nmti.com> Peter da Silva (peter@nmti.com) wrote: : In article , : > Pine is a good product. Learn how to use it effectively before : > ventilating your pique in public. : Pine is intended to be used by naive users. It should be designed to not : surprise them. : -- Wait one second! Were on the Pine development team? Peter how much did you pay for your copy of Pine??? I'm getting sick of all the bitching about Pine going on in this group. If you don't like it switch to something else! Personally, there are a few things I'd like to see changed in Pine however, I think it's the best Unix email interface available! And it's free!! The people at UW have done a great job! You are appreciated! Randy Kreuziger Wash Dept of Fish and Wildlife Olympia, WA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 16 03:42:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01663; Sat, 16 Dec 95 03:42:25 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01056; Sat, 16 Dec 95 03:40:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01050; Sat, 16 Dec 95 03:40:08 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tQuxs-00038HC; Sat, 16 Dec 95 03:39 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 9 Dec 1995 01:28:27 GMT Message-Id: <4aaonr$qnp@hustle.rahul.net> References: <49va8r$4jm@cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu> In black@eng.usf.edu (James Black) writes: >My second rule of programming >is: Computers are stupid (Rule 1 is KISS). In all fairness, let's note that hardware is actually pretty smart; it's the software that's often stupid. -- Rahul Dhesi "please ignore Dhesi" -- Mark Crispin From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 16 03:53:45 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01770; Sat, 16 Dec 95 03:53:45 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29421; Sat, 16 Dec 95 03:50:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29415; Sat, 16 Dec 95 03:50:10 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tQv45-00038OC; Sat, 16 Dec 95 03:46 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pegboy@gti.gti.net (++ Pegboy ++) Subject: Resetting addressbook? Date: 13 Dec 1995 17:20:38 -0500 Message-Id: <4anjjm$86v@gti.gti.net> Hi! I come across this problem every so often.... When I go to my .addressbook, I get a message saying: 'addressbook changed by another process' then it says: 're-syncing addressbook' It will do this for up to a half an hour, till I get aggravated and hang up on my server... Hanging up seems to be the only way out.... When I call back, I then have to: cat .addressbook >> .newaddressbook cat .addressbook.lu >> .newaddressbook Then in my .pinerc file I change the addressbook to .newaddressbook. Even after doing so, I lose some address's in the process... Hopefully some one here can help, since after a few letters to them, they have never even answered..... Thanks in advance! Chris From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 16 04:08:51 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02616; Sat, 16 Dec 95 04:08:51 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29827; Sat, 16 Dec 95 04:05:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29821; Sat, 16 Dec 95 04:05:11 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tQvJh-00038WC; Sat, 16 Dec 95 04:02 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Ray Marshall Subject: sent-mail folder list shows wrong address Date: 15 Dec 1995 17:51:51 GMT Message-Id: <4ascjn$dbq@nrtphba6.bnr.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there a workaround for this: When my sent-mail folder is displayed, I've noticed that some entries show the "To: " line's contents, and some show the "From: " line's contents. The difference between these message (with 100% correlation) is the very first line, the one labeled "From ". If the hostname in "From " matches the current hostname, then the contents of the "To: " line are shown. But, if the hostname in "From " is a different, then the contents of the "From: " line are displayed. Additionally, it does NOT say that it's using "From: ", it just shows my name. I'm using an access provider that has two or three different systems that I can log into, all sharing my home directory. When I dial in, I get whichever machine is the least busy at the moment. So, when I send mail, the "From: " & "From " lines will indicate whatever machine I was on at the time. I have a similar configuration at work. But, I use the same workstation MOST of the time, so I rarely see this problem there. / Ray -----------------------------------+--------------------------------- Raymond E. Marshall | My opinions are not necessarily NorTel, Customer Service | endorsed by my employer, etc. RTP NC, USA 919-992-4731 Alternate access: raym@vnet.net From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 16 04:10:04 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02735; Sat, 16 Dec 95 04:10:04 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01642; Sat, 16 Dec 95 04:05:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01636; Sat, 16 Dec 95 04:05:16 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tQvJR-00038UC; Sat, 16 Dec 95 04:02 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dmd@asimov.oit.umass.edu (Daniel M. Drucker) Subject: C-_ on a vt420 (alt-editor-command) Date: 13 Dec 1995 22:18:30 -0500 Message-Id: <4ao526$642@asimov.oit.umass.edu> This is not quite on topic, but... Does anyone know how to get Control-_ to work on a vt420 terminal? I want to use the enable-alternate-editor-command (for mkpgp) and C-_ doesn't seem to do anything. -- [Daniel Drucker / dmd@student.umass.edu] From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 16 04:10:08 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02752; Sat, 16 Dec 95 04:10:08 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01632; Sat, 16 Dec 95 04:05:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01626; Sat, 16 Dec 95 04:05:13 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tQvJQ-00038OC; Sat, 16 Dec 95 04:02 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Joseph Strout Subject: Help! Trouble reading News from Pine Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 15:14:48 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Lately I've been having trouble reading News from Pine. The UCSD support staff doesn't support Pine (they recommend rn or trn!), so I really hope you can give me some advice. Often, when I first enter a newsgroup, everything is fine: all messages appear, and I can read them. After a short while, though, any subsequent messages I attempt to read will be empty; they have a header but no message body. It doesn't matter in what order I read them; all messages after a certain point in *time* are empty. If I exit the group, open another, then come back to this one, I can read a few more messages. Sometimes, even the headers are lost, but in this case it happens to all messages past a certain point in the list. "[ No message text available ]" appears in the list in place of date, sender, and subject. I think this happens as soon as I open the group, in contrast to what I described above. Finally, sometimes when I'm reading, I get a "Newsgroup 'whatever' CLOSED DUE TO ACCESS ERROR" message. It looks like Pine is expecting some link to the server to remain open, but in fact it's getting closed (and probably quite rudely). Can anyone confirm or deny this? And what can I do about it? Does Pine have incompatibilities with certain news servers? And (finally), are there public-access news servers somewhere on the Net to which I could point Pine, rather than our local news.ucsd.edu? Many thanks for any help you can provide... -- Joe Strout ,------------------------------------------------------------------. | Joseph J. Strout Department of Neuroscience, UCSD | | jstrout@ucsd.edu http://www-acs.ucsd.edu/~jstrout/ | `------------------------------------------------------------------' From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 16 04:10:15 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02782; Sat, 16 Dec 95 04:10:15 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01622; Sat, 16 Dec 95 04:05:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01612; Sat, 16 Dec 95 04:05:09 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tQvJE-00038HC; Sat, 16 Dec 95 04:01 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 10:09:49 -0800 Message-Id: References: <49to4s$l52@netaxs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Correction: this has already been done in Pine 3.92, along with Followup-to support. Teaches me not to pay attention during meetings. It is still the case that an email transport can change things so that the Newsgroups header appears to be false, so you have to watch out for that. On Sat, 9 Dec 1995, Mark Crispin wrote: > Good question. The short answer is that it's a deficiency in IMAP2. > IMAP4 can fix it, and a workaround can be done with IMAP2. But nobody has > been interested in doing the work in Pine 3.92. I don't know when it will > be done. > > However, you may be screwed anyway, depending upon the vagaries of your > email transport; if it changes things so that the Newsgroups header > appears to be false, then it won't be recognized. -- Mark -- DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 16 04:11:38 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02835; Sat, 16 Dec 95 04:11:38 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29843; Sat, 16 Dec 95 04:05:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29837; Sat, 16 Dec 95 04:05:18 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tQvJR-00038VC; Sat, 16 Dec 95 04:02 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Ping Wang <70560.211@CompuServe.COM> Subject: PICO ? Date: 15 Dec 1995 16:00:46 GMT Message-Id: <4as63e$dro$1@mhafc.production.compuserve.com> Anybody can tell me where can I get a copy of PICO for my IBM RISC/6000 platform ? Many thanks in advance. Ping Wang 70560.211@compuserve.com -- Ping Wang From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 16 04:11:40 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02843; Sat, 16 Dec 95 04:11:40 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29835; Sat, 16 Dec 95 04:05:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29829; Sat, 16 Dec 95 04:05:14 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tQvJQ-00038TC; Sat, 16 Dec 95 04:02 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pucho@netcom.com (Marcos Rubinstein) Subject: Re: Dummy needs a ".wastebasket" file Message-Id: References: <4a00rg$vge@news1.mpcs.com> <4a0er8$kuq@shellx.best.com> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 22:32:17 GMT Nancy McGough (nancym@ii.com) decia: : hgoldste@bbs.mpcs.com (Howard Goldstein) writes: : >It's happened so many times, I'll delete a message and discover later I : >need it back. Does anyone have a patch for 3.91 to install one? : I also would love it if all my "deleted" messages were stored in : a file named something like trash. Yes, I know that I could save : them to "trash" but I'd like to just use the D key. Anyone have : any ideas? closest thing that I can think without a patch: use delete after you finish, instead of using X or quiting, use ; (select), then s(tatus), then d(elete). all your deleteted messages should be selected. use A(pply) and then S(ave) to trashcan. doesn't take much. Hope it helps. Pucho : Thanks, : Nancy : [posted and mailed] : -- : <*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*< : @..@ Nancy McGough /\_/\ : (----) Infinite Ink ( o.o ) : ( >__< ) http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ > ~ < From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 16 04:13:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02895; Sat, 16 Dec 95 04:13:20 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01755; Sat, 16 Dec 95 04:10:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01749; Sat, 16 Dec 95 04:10:09 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tQvN4-00038OC; Sat, 16 Dec 95 04:05 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Russ Allbery Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 10 Dec 1995 02:10:40 -0800 Message-Id: References: <49vgqd$5h6@zuul.nmti.com> <4a5h6d$9k5@calliope.wln.com> In-Reply-To: kruise@rs6a.wln.com's message of 7 Dec 1995 01:49:01 GMT In news.admin.misc, kruise writes: > Peter how much did you pay for your copy of Pine??? I'm getting sick of > all the bitching about Pine going on in this group. If you don't like it > switch to something else! > Personally, there are a few things I'd like to see changed in Pine > however, I think it's the best Unix email interface available! And it's > free!! The people at UW have done a great job! You are appreciated! Yes, they did, and I do appreciate it. I also appreciate gcc. That doesn't mean that if it produced incorrect code, I wouldn't complain about it. Just because I like the package doesn't mean that I'm not going to submit bug reports or complain about problems. The fact that Pine cannot distinguish between news and mail is bad. I explicitly make a point of telling people not to use Pine as a news reader because of it. I would be very happy if it could be fixed. And the fact that I'm unhappy about that part of Pine in no way makes me ungrateful for the rest of the package. I would encourage the Pine developers to take a look at Gnus 5 and see how it handles being both a news and mail reader at the same time. It does a much better job. -- Russ Allbery (rra@cs.stanford.edu) http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~rra/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 16 04:29:36 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03140; Sat, 16 Dec 95 04:29:36 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00204; Sat, 16 Dec 95 04:25:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ra.isisnet.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00198; Sat, 16 Dec 95 04:25:31 -0800 Received: from ccn.cs.dal.ca by ra.isisnet.com (8.6.9/SMI-SVR4) id IAA02794; Sat, 16 Dec 1995 08:24:21 -0400 Received: by ccn.cs.dal.ca id <13819(1)>; Sat, 16 Dec 1995 08:27:26 -0400 Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 08:27:26 -0400 From: "Marsha C. Holmes" To: Rahul Dhesi Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy In-Reply-To: <4aaonr$qnp@hustle.rahul.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well said!! Marsha =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=* Marsha C. Holmes |\ __ /.| (`\ ac573@ccn.cs.dal.ca _ .| o o |_ ) ) ----------------------(((---(((------------- Homepage: http://www.ccn.cs.dal.ca/~ac573/Profile.html =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=* On Fri, 8 Dec 1995, Rahul Dhesi wrote: > In black@eng.usf.edu (James Black) writes: > > >My second rule of programming > >is: Computers are stupid (Rule 1 is KISS). > > In all fairness, let's note that hardware is actually pretty smart; > it's the software that's often stupid. > -- > Rahul Dhesi > "please ignore Dhesi" -- Mark Crispin > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 16 04:56:02 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03524; Sat, 16 Dec 95 04:56:02 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00518; Sat, 16 Dec 95 04:50:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00512; Sat, 16 Dec 95 04:50:20 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tQw0u-00038HC; Sat, 16 Dec 95 04:46 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: holmberg@upp.promotor.telia.se (Johan Holmberg) Subject: Re: Mime text (ISO-8859-1) Date: 13 Dec 1995 19:20:24 +0100 Message-Id: <63n38w3jx3.fsf@promotor.telia.se> In-Reply-To: vs@utia.cas.cz's message of 12 Dec 1995 07:01:35 -0800 vs@utia.cas.cz (Vladimir Solnicky ) writes: > > On Mon, 11 Dec 1995, Jason Saling wrote: > > > > : Here is my situation. I as the unix sys admin receive mail from many > > > : MAC users (msmail) who login to the unix servers. When I receive=20 > > > : their messages it appears to be in MIME format, therefore I must > > > : press V to view the text (Latin text ISO-8859-1) of their messages. > > > : This is not a big task, but after 5000000000000 times it can become > > > : annoying. =20 > > I do not use any MacIntosh, but I heard some Mac mailing program tags > sent messages with a name (I think it was ``Message Body'' or something > similar) so that message bodies appear as attachments. If I remember well, > one man from Sveden created a patch (for some platforms only--including > SGI and HP) which solves it. But I am not sure I can publish his patch as > I received it personally. I will try to ask him (or maybe he wiil read > this notice and answer himself). > Yes, I have such a patch. It's very simple: ====================================================================== *** mailview.c.orig Wed Dec 13 19:04:25 1995 --- mailview.c Wed Dec 13 19:04:35 1995 *************** *** 353,358 **** --- 353,365 ---- has_name = 1; else has_name = 0; + + /* fix for strange text message from MAC client */ + + if (has_name && strucmp(param->value,"message body") == 0) { + has_name = 0; + } + a->shown = ((a->body->type==TYPETEXT && !has_name) || a->body->type==TYPEMESSAGE) && a->can_display && should_show; sprintf(a->number, "%s%d",prefix, num); ====================================================================== Beside this patch I have done a couple of other patches to 3.91. Until now I have been reluctant to publish them, because I have had the impression the 3.92 would come "soon" and solve all problems :-) I'll post all my patches as a separate article in this newsgroup. Regards, Johan Holmberg -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Johan Holmberg Email: holmberg@upp.promotor.telia.se Telia Promotor AB Phone: +46 18 18 94 55 Box 1218 Mobile: +46 70 528 94 55 751 42 Uppsala, SWEDEN Fax: +46 18 18 94 99 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 16 04:58:35 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03576; Sat, 16 Dec 95 04:58:35 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02286; Sat, 16 Dec 95 04:55:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02280; Sat, 16 Dec 95 04:55:14 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tQw5b-00038HC; Sat, 16 Dec 95 04:51 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mraaum@ask.uio.no (Margrete Raaum) Subject: Re: print? Date: 13 Dec 1995 18:14:31 GMT Message-Id: <4an567$aoh@ratatosk.uio.no> References: In article , Joel Frank writes: > I am usig pine on my notebook. How do I save e-mail or text from pine or > the net to my notebook so I can print it. My phone line is not near my > printer. I have windows, WP and a laser printer If you are using PC-PINE, no problem...save and print :-) If you are running pine on your host (unix) I guess you would have to save it remotely and transfer it using kermit or another suitable program. MR From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 16 05:33:35 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04174; Sat, 16 Dec 95 05:33:35 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02744; Sat, 16 Dec 95 05:30:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02738; Sat, 16 Dec 95 05:30:17 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tQwel-00038HC; Sat, 16 Dec 95 05:28 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Lloyd Wood Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 13 Dec 1995 12:57:21 GMT Message-Id: <4amijh$5l@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> <199512071843.KAA12358@mail.eskimo.com> <4aapbu$rcd@hustle.rahul.net> <4akpjs$m5n@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Russ Allbery wrote: >In news.admin.misc, Lloyd Wood writes: > >> I believe that mail-and-post is the only thing that can stop usenet from >> turning into IRC. It increases coherency; it's necessary. Learn to live >> with it. > >*ONLY* if you state explicitly in your message that it was both mailed and >posted. Most people do, but some do not, and the ones who do not are highly >annoying. I don't want to have to respond to the same message twice. I shouldn't have to do that; your reader should indicate that for you from the headers. All mailers should indicate that a received email was also posted to a newsgroup, and if so give the option of replying privately or to the newsgroup - 'public' or 'private' mail. > I, for one, will killfile in both mail *and* news those who post and mail > without clearly stating so. You must have one hell of a large killfile. L. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 16 05:45:41 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04304; Sat, 16 Dec 95 05:45:41 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00968; Sat, 16 Dec 95 05:25:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00962; Sat, 16 Dec 95 05:25:20 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tQwZ2-00038HC; Sat, 16 Dec 95 05:22 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Johan Holmberg Subject: RFC1522 and other patches to PINE 3.91 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 23:45:22 +0100 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="1916802345-1529047398-818894722=:3755" This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --1916802345-1529047398-818894722=:3755 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi ! During the time I have used PINE 3.91 I have made some patches: - handle ISO-LATIN-* in header fields (RFC1522). This was originally written by Lars Engebretsen . - handle ISO-LATIN-* in folder names and adress book entries. This depends on the "locale" being correctly specified (LC_CTYPE, ...) - sending PDF files as "application/pdf" - view "application/pgp" (without interpreting the PGP-stuff) (this was showed as an "attachment" in 3.91) - fix to avoid showing text message from some MAC MUA's as attachments (with name="Message Body") - changes to compile PINE on Solaris-2 with GCC I know that 3.92 will fix some of these things, but I wanted to have it *now*. I post the patches here hoping that they might be useful to others while we are all waiting for 3.92. I have used these patches on SunOS 4.1.x, Solaris-2 and IRIX 5.x. I have heard from others that they have used the patches on HPUX and Unixware also. One problem with the current way of building PINE is that there are 28 different makefiles in the "pine" sub-directory. Therefore I have only done my changes in the makefiles I was most interested in (hpp,lnx,sgi,sol,sun,sv4). On other platforms one has to make the corresponding changes to the makefile for that platform (should be quite easy with "merge" or even manually). The RFC1522 stuff works like this: ====================================================================== Before sending a message, Pine will ask you to confirm that you want the message to go out. At that confirmation stage, Pine moves the composer back to the top so that you can verify that the right people are getting the message. After confirmation, the message is sent and copied to the FCC folder (if any). In this patched version of 3.91 there are three alteratives when sending: MIME-Q-P sends the mail with QP-encoding of the body and QP-encoding of the header according to RFC1522. Yes sends the mail with 8BIT-encoding of the body and an "ad hoc" 7-bit approximation of the header. This is intended for sending to non-MIME users that still can handle real 8-bit characters (hopefully in the right character set). No same as before :-) ====================================================================== I don't think that my changes has been done "the right way". The are very ad-hoc, but have worked very well for me several months. But, of course: USE THEM AT YOUR OWN RISK :-) Attached to this article is: * the patches to PINE 3.91. Apply them by doing: % cd pine3.91 % patch -p1 ../pine3.91-jh801-patches * the patches to compile with GCC on Solaris-2. This patch should be made AFTER the jh801-patch. 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uKTwIFh8IN7d0Iwatqd0HRoX+RzjW1H9BYfBAcpnDgAA --1916802345-1529047398-818894722=:3755-- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 16 06:09:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04569; Sat, 16 Dec 95 06:09:54 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01372; Sat, 16 Dec 95 06:00:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01366; Sat, 16 Dec 95 06:00:19 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tQx92-00038HC; Sat, 16 Dec 95 05:59 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stankerr@ux6.cso.uiuc.edu (Stan Kerr) Subject: Re: attached to ansi printing on Mac Date: 13 Dec 1995 16:40:57 GMT Message-Id: <4amvmp$4k8@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <4alggp$k0n@news.missouri.edu> James Cooper (pixel@cclabs.missouri.edu) wrote: : I tried asking this question on the comp.sys.mac.comm newsgroup, and got : some different replies, but no clear answers -- so I'll try here. : Pine allows my mac to print email to the printer it has selected in : Chooser via the attached-to-ansi setting. Very clever. I'd like to be : able to print *any* unix text file to my local printer. : Is this possible? (I'm fairly certain it is) : Is pine sending an ansi control code to my terminal (I'm running NCSA : Telnet 2.6 BTW)? Can I write a script to send that control code out : before any file? Here's what the Pine technical notes say about it: UNIX Pine can print to the standard UNIX line printers or to generic printers attached to ANSI terminals using the escape sequences to turn the printer on and off. The user has a choice of three printers in the configuration. The first setting, attached-to-ansi, makes use of escape sequences on ANSI/VT100 terminals. It uses "[5i" to begin directing all output sent to the terminal to the printer and then "[6i" to return to normal. Pine will send these escape sequences if the printer is set to attached-to-ansi. This works with most ANSI/VT100 emulators on Macs and PCs such as kermit, NCSA telnet, Ver- saTerm Pro, and WinQVT. Various terminal emula- tors implement the print feature differently. For example, NCSA telnet requires "capfile = PRN" in the config.tel file. Attached-to-ansi printing doesn't work at all with the telnet provided with PC-NFS. I tried the obvious, namely constructing a file that has [5i at the beginning, and [6i at the end, and tried a simple cat command (from Mac NCSA Telnet, in which Pine printing does work), but the only effect was to hang my session until I did a terminal reset. So there's some little subtlety going on there, but I haven't had time to figure it out yet myself. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 16 07:18:24 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05431; Sat, 16 Dec 95 07:18:24 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03933; Sat, 16 Dec 95 07:15:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03927; Sat, 16 Dec 95 07:15:31 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tQyGf-00038OC; Sat, 16 Dec 95 07:11 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: holmberg@upp.promotor.telia.se (Johan Holmberg) Subject: Re: RFC1522 and other patches to PINE 3.91 Date: 14 Dec 1995 13:06:49 +0100 Message-Id: <63u433j1d2.fsf@promotor.telia.se> References: In-Reply-To: Johan Holmberg's message of Wed, 13 Dec 1995 23:45:22 +0100 Yesterday I wrote: [...] > > Attached to this article is: > > * the patches to PINE 3.91. Apply them by doing: > > % cd pine3.91 > % patch -p1 ../pine3.91-jh801-patches > > * the patches to compile with GCC on Solaris-2. > This patch should be made AFTER the jh801-patch. > Apply by: > > % cd pine3.91 > % patch -p1 ../pine3.91-solaris-gcc-patches [...] I forgot to mention that to build PINE on Solaris-2 with GCC you have do use the following command: % ./build sol CC=gcc /johan holmberg -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Johan Holmberg Email: holmberg@upp.promotor.telia.se Telia Promotor AB Phone: +46 18 18 94 55 Box 1218 Mobile: +46 70 528 94 55 751 42 Uppsala, SWEDEN Fax: +46 18 18 94 99 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 16 07:56:39 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05979; Sat, 16 Dec 95 07:56:39 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02787; Sat, 16 Dec 95 07:51:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02781; Sat, 16 Dec 95 07:51:50 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tQypS-00038TC; Sat, 16 Dec 95 07:47 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ccc6129@vip.cybercity.dk (Rasmus Hansen) Subject: Pine and POP Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 16:42:21 GMT Message-Id: <4apk70$5cm@vip.cybercity.dk> Hi... I have one question (and I hope it isn't a dumb one): Is pine (linux version) capable of using the POP3 protocol for mail retrival ??? If not, is there perhaps another mail reader that has that capability ??? The reason I am asking this is due to the fact that my provider uses POP3 for mail transfers, and it works just great with windows, but when I switch to Linux, I can send mail (via SMTP) but not recieve. Regards Rasmus Hansen ccc6129@vip.cybercity.dk Btw: My provider does not support IMAP. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 16 09:00:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06874; Sat, 16 Dec 95 09:00:23 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05161; Sat, 16 Dec 95 08:56:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05155; Sat, 16 Dec 95 08:56:56 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tQzrz-00038EC; Sat, 16 Dec 95 08:53 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: luttrell@netcom.com (Jordan D. Luttrell) Subject: BCC Message-Id: Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 23:36:02 GMT If you'd like to add the bcc for a single message only (and not globally), you could put your cursor anywhere in the header, and then hit ^R (for 'Rich header'), and the bcc line will appear in the header, to fill in. Joe Luttrell From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 16 09:41:18 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07825; Sat, 16 Dec 95 09:41:18 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04083; Sat, 16 Dec 95 09:28:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from narwhal.cc.metu.edu.tr by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04071; Sat, 16 Dec 95 09:28:37 -0800 Received: by narwhal.cc.metu.edu.tr (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA142299; Sat, 16 Dec 1995 19:26:03 +0300 Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 19:26:03 +0300 (MEST) From: baris biyikli To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII How can i use forward? How can i send one message to different adresses? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 16 11:19:33 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09671; Sat, 16 Dec 95 11:19:33 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05645; Sat, 16 Dec 95 11:17:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05639; Sat, 16 Dec 95 11:17:20 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tR20m-00038EC; Sat, 16 Dec 95 11:11 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mraaum@ask.uio.no (Margrete Raaum) Subject: Re: "AT&F"+return... Date: 14 Dec 1995 18:28:23 GMT Message-Id: <4apqc7$nra@ratatosk.uio.no> References: <4aomhk$4fo@news3.cts.com> The AT&F is a command to the modem. If pine is showing repeated lines/lines are missing etc try giving these commands to the unix-server before starting pine: set noglob ; eval `resize` stty -tabs Margrete From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 16 12:15:16 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10597; Sat, 16 Dec 95 12:15:16 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07953; Sat, 16 Dec 95 12:12:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from visla.utia.cas.cz by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07947; Sat, 16 Dec 95 12:12:32 -0800 Received: by visla.utia.cas.cz (16.7/16.2) id AA02545; Sat, 16 Dec 95 21:12:21 +0100 Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 21:12:21 +0100 (MET) From: Vladimir Solnicky =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=28Vladim=EDr_Solnick=FD=29?= To: The Pine Discussion List Subject: Q: Limit for length of cut&pasted text Message-Id: X-Postal-Address: UTIA AV CR; Pod vodarenskou vezi 4; 182 08 Praha 8-Liben; Czech Republic Acknowledge-To: vs@utia.cas.cz Organization: Institute of Information Theory and Automation (UTIA AV CR) Transport-Options: /delivery /return Read-Receipt-To: vs@utia.cas.cz X-Confirm-Reading-To: vs@utia.cas.cz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Hallo, Is there any limitation of pine/pico for the length of text which is=20 cut via ^K and then pasted via ^U? Thanks for any answer. Regards, V. S. | | Bc. Vladimir Solnicky (Vladim=EDr Solnick=FD using ISO 8859-1 or 2) | | Institute of Information UTIA AV CR \/ Theory and Automation Pod vodarenskou vezi 4 Department of Computing Systems 182 08 Praha 8-Liben +42 2 6605/2212 fax: +42 2 6884677 Czech Republic +42 2 6605/2364 e-mail: vs@utia.cas.cz ftp.utia.cas.cz http://www.utia.cas.cz/user_data/vs/vs-home-en.html From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 16 13:05:51 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11602; Sat, 16 Dec 95 13:05:51 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08701; Sat, 16 Dec 95 13:03:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08695; Sat, 16 Dec 95 13:03:40 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tR3ew-00038EC; Sat, 16 Dec 95 12:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mraaum@ask.uio.no (Margrete Raaum) Subject: Re: Reading multiple mail boxes Date: 15 Dec 1995 08:12:10 GMT Message-Id: <4arakq$ag@ratatosk.uio.no> References: <4aqfc8$m39@post.tau.ac.il> In article <4aqfc8$m39@post.tau.ac.il>, tommyq@lune.math.tau.ac.il (Tommy Quitt) writes: > Is there any way to read and manage mail on two different accounts, on two > servers without having to logon, enter password and run Pine on each one > of them? > I was thinking about something similar to reading News... > If you have a good solution please e-mail me directly to: > tommyq@math.tau.ac.il No problem if they're running imap >From the pinerc-file: # incoming-folders are those other than INBOX that receive new messages. # Folder syntax: optnl-label {optnl-imap-hostname}folder-path # Use only if you filter incoming email into multiple files or receive # email on several different machines. # Example: # incoming-folders=Consulting {carson.u.washington.edu}filter/to-help, # Widget-Project {carson.u.washington.edu}filter/to-widget, # Old-Student-Acct {imap.berkeley.edu}inbox # ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ # This would be what you seek. incoming-folders= Margrete From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 16 13:05:56 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11617; Sat, 16 Dec 95 13:05:56 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07218; Sat, 16 Dec 95 13:03:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07206; Sat, 16 Dec 95 13:03:42 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tR3ew-00038OC; Sat, 16 Dec 95 12:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mraaum@ask.uio.no (Margrete Raaum) Subject: Re: Please HELP! Date: 15 Dec 1995 08:20:15 GMT Message-Id: <4arb3v$ag@ratatosk.uio.no> References: <1995Dec15.114211.1@v9001.ntu.ac.sg> In article <1995Dec15.114211.1@v9001.ntu.ac.sg>, e95019c52@v9001.ntu.ac.sg (Henry) writes: > hi! > I was wondering if I can change the default Reply address of Pine... > I am using Pine 3.91 for VAX system.... In .pinerc or pinerc or whatever on your VAX: # Add these customized headers (and possible default values) when composing customized-hdrs=Reply-to: the-reply-adress-you-want MR From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 16 13:09:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11725; Sat, 16 Dec 95 13:09:31 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08757; Sat, 16 Dec 95 13:07:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08751; Sat, 16 Dec 95 13:07:29 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tR3no-00038WC; Sat, 16 Dec 95 13:05 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ccc6129@vip.cybercity.dk (Rasmus Hansen) Subject: Pine and POP3 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 10:48:16 GMT Message-Id: <4arjr0$iar@vip.cybercity.dk> Hi... I have one question (and I hope it isn't a dumb one): Is pine (linux version) capable of using the POP3 protocol for mail retrival ??? If not, is there perhaps another mail reader that has that capability ??? The reason I am asking this is due to the fact that my provider uses POP3 for mail transfers, and it works just great with windows, but when I switch to Linux, I can send mail (via SMTP) but not recieve. Regards Rasmus Hansen ccc6129@vip.cybercity.dk Btw: My provider does not support IMAP. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 16 16:15:56 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14775; Sat, 16 Dec 95 16:15:56 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09690; Sat, 16 Dec 95 16:13:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09684; Sat, 16 Dec 95 16:13:57 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tR6dv-00038EC; Sat, 16 Dec 95 16:07 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 13 Dec 1995 19:43:04 GMT Message-Id: <4anac8$ch4@news.orst.edu> References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> <4akpjs$m5n@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> <4amijh$5l@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> In article <4amijh$5l@info-server.surrey.ac.uk>, Lloyd Wood wrote: >Russ Allbery wrote: >>*ONLY* if you state explicitly in your message that it was both mailed and >>posted. Most people do, but some do not, and the ones who do not are highly >>annoying. I don't want to have to respond to the same message twice. > >I shouldn't have to do that; your reader should indicate that for you >from the headers. Let's see: I have an RFC 822 compliant mail reader. How is it supposed to know from RFC 822 headers that what you have just mailed me something that you also posted to news? >All mailers should indicate that a received email was also posted to >a newsgroup, and if so give the option of replying privately or to the >newsgroup - 'public' or 'private' mail. This information is not available to "all mailers" (I assume you mean mail user agents, since sendmail and smail are not, and should not be, concerned with who posted what). It is not available to ANY mail agent, since there is NO defined header which indicates this information. >You must have one hell of a large killfile. And you have a mailer which does not comply with RFC 821. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 16 16:32:18 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14944; Sat, 16 Dec 95 16:32:18 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11306; Sat, 16 Dec 95 16:30:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mail.bcpl.lib.md.us by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11300; Sat, 16 Dec 95 16:30:32 -0800 Received: by mail (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA27283; Sat, 16 Dec 1995 19:33:24 +0500 Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 19:33:24 -0500 (EST) From: Chip Old X-Sender: fold@mail To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: attached to ansi printing on Mac In-Reply-To: <4amvmp$4k8@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 2047 On 13 Dec 1995, Stan Kerr wrote: > I tried the obvious, namely constructing a file that has [5i at > the beginning, and [6i at the end, and tried a simple cat command > (from Mac NCSA Telnet, in which Pine printing does work), but the only > effect was to hang my session until I did a terminal reset. So there's > some little subtlety going on there, but I haven't had time to figure it > out yet myself. Here's a shell script that will print the contents of a text file when you're using NCSA Telnet or any terminal program that knows how to handle VT100/ANSI printer commands. This came to us from someone at Towson State University, who ported it over from a VMS system. Works well for us. Since NCSA Telnet already lets you select text from scrollback and send it to the printer, there's no real need for a "Printer On" command to deral with scrolling text. #! /bin/csh # pcprint # by Jeff Schmitt # Towson State University # # usage: # pcprint file.ext [,...] # # based on (VMS) pcprint #$! #$! Terry Kennedy Operations Manager, Academic Computing #$! terry@spcvxa.bitnet St. Peter's College, US #$! terry@spcvxa.spc.edu (201) 915-9381 #$! #$! Print VMS files on the printer that is attached to your VT102, #$! VT200, or VT300, or PC with MS-DOS Kermit or other VT terminal #$! emulator that supports the "transparent print" function. #$! #$! Author: Mark Buda #$! set ff = '\014' set esc = '\033' #! Remote printer "ON" sequence #set rp_on = $esc + "[5i" #! Remote printer "OFF" sequence #set rp_off = $esc + "[4i" # # foreach file ($argv) if (-e $file) then #echo rp_on echo '' else echo "file does not exist: $file" exit 1 endif end -------------------------------------------------------------------- Francis E. Old (Chip Old) Internet: fold@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us Internetworking Administrator Voice: (410) 887-6180 Baltimore County Public Library FAX: (410) 887-2091 320 York Road Towson, Maryland 21204 USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 16 20:10:34 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18106; Sat, 16 Dec 95 20:10:34 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14355; Sat, 16 Dec 95 20:08:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14349; Sat, 16 Dec 95 20:08:15 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tRAKQ-00038EC; Sat, 16 Dec 95 20:04 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: fdiebel@emrl.com (Floyd Diebel) Subject: Posting to News via PINE Message-Id: Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 18:51:29 GMT is it possible to post from pine to the local news spool (/var/spool/news, not via NNTP)? i have pine set up to read news from the local spool fine, but posting demands "NNTP Server Must be Defined". thanks. fd -- ----- Experimental Media Research Laboratory, Northern California For more Information, email INFO@EMRL.COM. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 16 20:20:50 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18237; Sat, 16 Dec 95 20:20:50 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13029; Sat, 16 Dec 95 20:18:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13023; Sat, 16 Dec 95 20:18:08 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tRAVW-00038TC; Sat, 16 Dec 95 20:15 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: almeggif@owlnet.rice.edu (Alice Margaret Gifford) Subject: configuring pc-pine windsock Date: 16 Dec 1995 06:26:26 GMT Message-Id: <4atoqi$coa@larry.rice.edu> I had almost finished my previous mesage when the telnet session crashed, so this is a bit shorter. I have gotten my newsreader to read and post news, but have tried many variations on *{server_name/smtp}INBOX or *{server_name/smtp}[] or {server_name}INBOX for the inbox name with no success. What I am using as server_name is what the school supplied copy of Eudora has, but still no success. The usual error message is something like closed imap connection broken (server response) I get connection refused when I try the name of my usual unix machine, which uses pine with sendmail and /var/spool/mail on an nfs mount. I don't have any way of entering in my password, and I would hope that the server would be able to authenticate who I am before releasing my mailbox to someone. Any ideas? please? If you do mail and post, I won't mind. Probably be easier for me to get mail, since I would be better off not reading news during finals (hahahaha) Thanks, Alice Gifford -- Alice Gifford almeggif@owlnet.rice.edu (713) 630-8898 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 16 21:59:02 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19356; Sat, 16 Dec 95 21:59:02 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15605; Sat, 16 Dec 95 21:57:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15599; Sat, 16 Dec 95 21:57:03 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tRC2s-00038EC; Sat, 16 Dec 95 21:54 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Subject: cmsg cancel <4b0636$gn5@mercury.mcs.com> Control: cancel <4b0636$gn5@mercury.mcs.com> Date: 16 Dec 1995 22:27:15 -0600 Message-Id: <4b0673$gqt@Mercury.mcs.com> <4b0636$gn5@mercury.mcs.com> was cancelled from within trn. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 16 23:04:44 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20429; Sat, 16 Dec 95 23:04:44 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15036; Sat, 16 Dec 95 23:02:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15030; Sat, 16 Dec 95 23:02:10 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tRD62-00038EC; Sat, 16 Dec 95 23:01 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gordonf@opus.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca (Gordon Fecyk) Subject: Re: IMAP addon ofr Win95 Exchange Date: 13 Dec 1995 16:22:53 GMT Message-Id: <4amukt$q83@milo.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca> References: <1995Dec4.110501.937@cesi> IMAP is not within Exchange's scheme of things. Exchange bases its operations on storing mail locally (like POP3 allows). IMAP requires that mail remains on the server. On that mail server the IMAP client can make their own folders etc but they remain on the server. Exchange creators pride themselves on that universal Inbox, and IMAP just does not work with that logic. Now if they did an IMAP client that added other folders besides the user's personal folders (like the shared folders on an MS Mail server) then maybe I can see it. Which reminds me; didn't Microsoft make an Exchange client that allowed viewing of shared folders on an MS Mail server? Giuseppe Bottasini (bottasini@cesi.it) wrote: : Is there anywhere an IMAP addon for Win95 Exchange ? I would like to use Win95 : Exchange as an IMAP client to connect to our test IMAP server imapd. : TIA : Giuseppe Bottasini : bottasini@cesi.it -- ============================================================// //======== = "I am Gordon Fecyk of Winterpeg. Windows is futile." // // = = E-MAIL: gordonf@freenet.vancouver.bc.ca // // = = Fido: 1:153/9105 (Dark Delusions) \\ \\// // = = Phone: +1-604-526-8724 \\ XX // = = \X/\X/ = = "I am Hitler of BorgSoft. I am the middle inital of William H. Gates. = = He has been assimilated. Resistance was futile. Heil Windows. = ========================================================================= (This signature file is the deranged opinion of one fanatical Amiga user and should not be taken seriously... until the Gates Thought Police confiscate my Amiga...) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 17 00:01:24 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21388; Sun, 17 Dec 95 00:01:24 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15798; Sat, 16 Dec 95 23:59:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15792; Sat, 16 Dec 95 23:59:37 -0800 Received: from localhost by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19323; Sat, 16 Dec 95 23:59:33 -0800 Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 23:59:31 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller To: Gordon Fecyk Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: IMAP addon ofr Win95 Exchange In-Reply-To: <4amukt$q83@milo.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 13 Dec 1995, Gordon Fecyk wrote: > IMAP is not within Exchange's scheme of things. > > Exchange bases its operations on storing mail locally (like POP3 > allows). IMAP requires that mail remains on the server. On that mail > server the IMAP client can make their own folders etc but they remain on > the server. > IMAP doesn't have any such requirement. It can be used to download mail to a local folder just like POP3 can. IMAP does allow the option of keeping mail on the server, which is more problematic with POP3. > Giuseppe Bottasini (bottasini@cesi.it) wrote: > : Is there anywhere an IMAP addon for Win95 Exchange ? I would like to use Win95 > : Exchange as an IMAP client to connect to our test IMAP server imapd. Some preliminary investigation has been done by the e-mail group at UW. On the surface it looks feasible to write an IMAP <-> MAPI interface. We will be investigating it further after the Pine 3.92 release... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 17 00:35:13 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21748; Sun, 17 Dec 95 00:35:13 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17564; Sun, 17 Dec 95 00:32:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17558; Sun, 17 Dec 95 00:32:41 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tRERQ-00038BC; Sun, 17 Dec 95 00:27 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: FLAVELL@crnvma.cern.ch (Alan J Flavell) Subject: Re: Supressing Address Lists? Message-Id: <17476112D1S86.FLAVELL@cernvm.cern.ch> References: <4ans5o$put@nntp.interaccess.com> <4apvc3$ki2@news.orst.edu> <4asuu2$505@news.orst.edu> Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 19:32:32 GMT In article <4asuu2$505@news.orst.edu> stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) writes: >In article , >Paul O Bartlett wrote: >>On 14 Dec 1995, John Stanley wrote (excerpt): >>: 2. No, you do not need to put a To: header in mail that contains a BCC. >>: There is no reason to send it to yourself. >> >> The purpose for putting _something_ in the To: field is purely >>functional. Some people have had the experience that if they leave To: >>blank and use a group of addresses in Bcc:, then somewhere along the line >>all the Bcc: addressees get listed in an Apparently-to: manufactured >>header, which gives away the game. > >Are you sending email or playing a game? What "game" is being given >away? I find this a rather intemperate response. I have no idea whether the poster was literally "playing a game", or merely chose an unfortunate idiom. What I do know is that when I get a short ten-line annoucement that a colleague has, very properly, sent to 100 recipients, I sure do not want to have a 100-recipient list of email addresses displayed to me and stored in my mail archives. >Are you saying that the mail system is failing to keep the addresses in >a BCC list a secret from other members of the BCC list? Well, yes, >there is no requirement for this secret to be kept. In which case you would seem to think that BCC is functionally equivalent to CC. I certainly use and recommend the scheme of putting oneself on the "to" field, and the distribution list on the BCC field. >A quick and dirty workaround to an imaginary problem. In just what way is the problem "imaginary"? It's a real problem to me: I have acres of mail archives filled with unwanted address lists, prefixing the wanted messages, from senders who were unaware of the useful advice given above. Now, it may well be that this technique can also be misused (mail bombing) but then, that is quite another matter, and there are plenty of other ways of misusing email, all of which I certainly despise. But let's not despise a useful technique for the sole reason that it is capable of being misused. best regards From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 17 00:59:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22179; Sun, 17 Dec 95 00:59:23 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16465; Sun, 17 Dec 95 00:57:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16459; Sun, 17 Dec 95 00:57:23 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tREuD-00038BC; Sun, 17 Dec 95 00:57 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stanley@skyking.oce.orst.edu (John Stanley) Subject: Re: Supressing Address Lists? Date: 17 Dec 1995 08:13:37 GMT Message-Id: <819186100.AA12345@oce.orst.edu> References: <4ans5o$put@nntp.interaccess.com> <4asuu2$505@news.orst.edu> <17476112D1S86.FLAVELL@cernvm.cern.ch> In article <17476112D1S86.FLAVELL@cernvm.cern.ch>, Alan J Flavell wrote: >I have no idea whether >the poster was literally "playing a game", or merely chose an unfortunate >idiom. It was an unfortunate idiom because it didn't have a meaning. "Giving away the game" means what? >What I do know is that when I get a short ten-line annoucement >that a colleague has, very properly, sent to 100 recipients, I sure >do not want to have a 100-recipient list of email addresses displayed >to me and stored in my mail archives. Did I say you had to? Why are you complaining to me rather than to your colleague? Tell your colleague how to properly distribute a mailing list and you won't get 100 name address lists in your mail. >>Are you saying that the mail system is failing to keep the addresses in >>a BCC list a secret from other members of the BCC list? Well, yes, >>there is no requirement for this secret to be kept. > >In which case you would seem to think that BCC is functionally >equivalent to CC. If you wish to see an intemperate response, please continue to tell me what I seem to believe. I believe no such thing. Perhaps you should read and understand the RFC before you talk about header functionality. CC is not the same as BCC. >I certainly use and recommend the scheme of putting oneself on the >"to" field, and the distribution list on the BCC field. You can use what you want. You should stop recommending it, because there is no guarantee that it will work the way you want it to. Given that there are mechanisms that will do what you want, recommending this to others is irresponsible. And please don't make the claim that something MUST be put on the To: line, because that is demonstrably false. >>A quick and dirty workaround to an imaginary problem. > >In just what way is the problem "imaginary"? What an intemperate response. How dare you ask me what I meant. >It's a real problem to me: I have acres of mail archives filled >with unwanted address lists, prefixing the wanted messages, from >senders who were unaware of the useful advice given above. I'm sorry. I thought that most computer systems came with an editor that you could remove unwanted material from files with. And which "useful advice" are you referring to? The correct way to make sure that long lists don't show up in mail, or the one where you keep putting the long lists into your mail and hoping that someone takes them out for you? And how do you know they were unaware? How do you know that it wasn't just a problem of the mailer not removing the list that it doesn't have to? >despise. But let's not despise a useful technique for the sole >reason that it is capable of being misused. Excuse me? Where did I say this? Where did I say I despised anything, or that I was "despising it" because it could be misused? No, I will certainly "despise" a technical slution to a problem when it is not a solution to the problem and there is a simple solution handy. Nothing in that statement said anything about misuse. >best regards From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 17 04:01:59 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25224; Sun, 17 Dec 95 04:01:59 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18552; Sun, 17 Dec 95 03:57:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18546; Sun, 17 Dec 95 03:57:45 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tRHhs-00038OC; Sun, 17 Dec 95 03:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: holmberg@upp.promotor.telia.se (Johan Holmberg) Subject: Re: RFC1522 and other patches to PINE 3.91 Date: 17 Dec 1995 11:25:06 +0100 Message-Id: <63ka3w0yyl.fsf@promotor.telia.se> References: In-Reply-To: butta1@cs.bu.edu's message of 15 Dec 1995 00:59:07 GMT In article <4aqh8s$6ch@news.bu.edu> butta1@cs.bu.edu (Nelson Chin) writes: > > 8bit works only when emailing in pine.. when i tried to post 8bit > in newsgroup, it converted it to base64 :( > > nelson > I have never used PINE as a News-reader so I haven't tried to make the patches work there :-( /johan -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Johan Holmberg Email: holmberg@upp.promotor.telia.se Telia Promotor AB Phone: +46 18 18 94 55 Box 1218 Mobile: +46 70 528 94 55 751 42 Uppsala, SWEDEN Fax: +46 18 18 94 99 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 17 04:55:35 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26641; Sun, 17 Dec 95 04:55:35 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20991; Sun, 17 Dec 95 04:52:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20985; Sun, 17 Dec 95 04:52:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tRIW7-00038BC; Sun, 17 Dec 95 04:48 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ddj+@pitt.edu (Doug DeJulio) Subject: Re: IMAP addon ofr Win95 Exchange Date: 13 Dec 1995 17:41:44 GMT Message-Id: <4an38o$jes@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> References: <1995Dec4.110501.937@cesi> <4amukt$q83@milo.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca> In article <4amukt$q83@milo.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca>, Gordon Fecyk wrote: >IMAP is not within Exchange's scheme of things. > >Exchange bases its operations on storing mail locally (like POP3 >allows). IMAP requires that mail remains on the server. On that mail >server the IMAP client can make their own folders etc but they remain on >the server. Exchange lets you have multiple mail stores... >Exchange creators pride themselves on that universal Inbox, and IMAP just >does not work with that logic. Now if they did an IMAP client that added >other folders besides the user's personal folders (like the shared >folders on an MS Mail server) then maybe I can see it. Which reminds me; >didn't Microsoft make an Exchange client that allowed viewing of shared >folders on an MS Mail server? You can indeed have multiple mail stores, local and remote, and multiple inboxes, with exchange. There is indeed a plug-in that lets you access folders on remote MS-Mail servers. An IMAP plug-in is theoretically possible. We just need to find a programmer who cares about both IMAP and Exchange -- in my experience, folks who care about one tend not to care about the other. -- Doug DeJulio | http://www.pitt.edu/~ddj/ Systems Analyst | mailto:ddj+@pitt.edu University of Pittsburgh | MIME welcome; PGP key available via homepage From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 17 05:16:37 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27075; Sun, 17 Dec 95 05:16:37 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19831; Sun, 17 Dec 95 05:12:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19825; Sun, 17 Dec 95 05:12:54 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tRIs8-00038OC; Sun, 17 Dec 95 05:11 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 17 Dec 95 00:24:28 GMT Message-Id: References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> <199512071843.KAA12358@mail.eskimo.com> <4aapbu$rcd@hustle.rahul.net> <4akpjs$m5n@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> Russ Allbery writes: >In news.admin.misc, Lloyd Wood writes: >> I believe that mail-and-post is the only thing that can stop usenet from >> turning into IRC. It increases coherency; it's necessary. Learn to live >> with it. >*ONLY* if you state explicitly in your message that it was both mailed and >posted. Most people do, but some do not, and the ones who do not are highly >annoying. I don't want to have to respond to the same message twice. Amen. I hate getting email response to a post, reply to it, then check the newsgroup and find the same reply/followup there. There are (r)eplies and (f)ollowups in Usenet culture. The problem with pine is that it promotes confounding the two. >I, for one, will killfile in both mail *and* news those who post and mail >without clearly stating so. Drastic, but perhaps reasonable. >-- >Russ Allbery (rra@cs.stanford.edu) http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~rra/ Pine for mail, nn for news, jove or emacs for editing. -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)810-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Web admin: chimera,nn,tin,jove,kermit - free's best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 17 09:27:27 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00388; Sun, 17 Dec 95 09:27:27 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22789; Sun, 17 Dec 95 09:24:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22783; Sun, 17 Dec 95 09:24:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tRMmP-00038OC; Sun, 17 Dec 95 09:21 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 17 Dec 95 02:31:17 GMT Message-Id: References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> <4aapbu$rcd@hustle.rahul.net> <4akpjs$m5n@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> <4an9vp$cfo@news.orst.edu> <4aqghk$bae@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> <4atnrd$56f@hustle.rahul.net> Rahul Dhesi writes: >In <4aqghk$bae@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> Lloyd Wood > writes: >... >>>>Rahul Dhesi wrote: >>>>>In all fairness, let's note that making it hard for you to duplicate >>>>>via email a Usenet posting is desirable behavior. >... >>No. >>Scan some newsgroups, and make a note of the number of people who >>request information by email.... >>If mail-and-post isn't desirable behaviour, why are so many people >>adopting it? >People make the following requests on Usenet (Q), and here is my >raction (A). >Q: Please email me your reply, as I don't read this newsgroup. >A: What an arrogant jerk! My A: I mail them, telling them I have posted the answer to the newsgroup, AND that I think it is arrogant of them to burst into a room, shout "I don't have time to get to know any of you, but I INSIST that you immediately answer my question, but I am not going to stay around long enough to hear the answer, so please send it to my house!" I think Rahul's A: is too subtle for those asses. >Q: Please send replies by email, and I will post a summary. >A: Smart person! I will be glad to cooperate. >Q: Please email me a copy of any postings, my News access isn't reliable. >A: Be glad to oblige. >Only in the third case would I also send by email a copy of a >posting, and only because the recipient requested it, and only after >making sure I added a comment to prevent confusion, e.g.: We certainly don't want to prevent confusion do we? ;} > Hi, in response to your request, here's an email copy of something > I just posted to Usnet. ... >-- >Rahul Dhesi >"please ignore Dhesi" -- Mark Crispin -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)810-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Web admin: chimera,nn,tin,jove,kermit - free's best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 17 09:29:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00433; Sun, 17 Dec 95 09:29:42 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24201; Sun, 17 Dec 95 09:24:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24195; Sun, 17 Dec 95 09:24:36 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tRMmO-00038HC; Sun, 17 Dec 95 09:21 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lynch.94@osu.edu (Jerry Lynch) Subject: Re: using ispell with pine Date: 8 Dec 1995 18:09:52 -0500 Message-Id: References: <9512041355.AA00099@khuzama.ccse.kfupm.edu.sa> On 4 Dec 1995, Suhaib Khan wrote: > Apologies if this has been answered n times before - we do not have full > internet access at this site. > > Is is possible to use the interactive spell checker ispell with pine > to check composed messages before they are sent? > > Please email you reply to: suhaib@ccse.kfupm.edu.sa > > regards, > Suhaib Khan > Option 1: Set your "alternate editor" to: /usr/bin/ispell -x Option 2: You can recompile applying the following patch written by John R. Violette and modified by me to invoke "ispell -x" instead of "ispell" (so you don't collect a bunch of backup files all over the place). Jerry ------------------------------------------------------------------- *** ../pine3.91//pico/ebind.h Wed Jun 15 18:18:25 1994 --- .//pico/ebind.h Wed Aug 9 11:06:32 1995 *************** *** 99,107 **** {CTRL|'O', suspend_composer}, {CTRL|'P', backline}, {CTRL|'R', insfile}, ! #ifdef SPELLER ! {CTRL|'T', spell}, ! #endif /* SPELLER */ {CTRL|'U', yank}, {CTRL|'V', forwpage}, {CTRL|'W', forwsearch}, --- 99,107 ---- {CTRL|'O', suspend_composer}, {CTRL|'P', backline}, {CTRL|'R', insfile}, ! #ifdef SPELLER ! {CTRL|'T', ispell}, ! #endif {CTRL|'U', yank}, {CTRL|'V', forwpage}, {CTRL|'W', forwsearch}, *************** *** 155,163 **** {CTRL|'O', filewrite}, {CTRL|'P', backline}, {CTRL|'R', insfile}, ! #ifdef SPELLER ! {CTRL|'T', spell}, ! #endif /* SPELLER */ {CTRL|'U', yank}, {CTRL|'V', forwpage}, {CTRL|'W', forwsearch}, --- 155,163 ---- {CTRL|'O', filewrite}, {CTRL|'P', backline}, {CTRL|'R', insfile}, ! #ifdef SPELLER ! {CTRL|'T', ispell}, ! #endif {CTRL|'U', yank}, {CTRL|'V', forwpage}, {CTRL|'W', forwsearch}, *** ../pine3.91//pico/efunc.h Tue Sep 27 12:04:00 1994 --- .//pico/efunc.h Wed Aug 9 11:07:55 1995 *************** *** 243,251 **** extern int readpattern(char *); extern int forscan(int *, char *, int); ! /* spell.c */ #ifdef SPELLER ! extern int spell(int, int); #endif /* window.c */ --- 243,251 ---- extern int readpattern(char *); extern int forscan(int *, char *, int); ! /* os_unix.c */ #ifdef SPELLER ! extern int ispell(int, int); #endif /* window.c */ *************** *** 446,454 **** extern int readpattern(); extern int forscan(); ! /* spell.c */ #ifdef SPELLER ! extern int spell(); #endif /* window.c */ --- 446,454 ---- extern int readpattern(); extern int forscan(); ! /* os_unix.c */ #ifdef SPELLER ! extern int ispell(); #endif /* window.c */ *** ../pine3.91//pico/os_unix.c Mon Oct 10 19:28:57 1994 --- .//pico/os_unix.c Wed Aug 9 11:34:17 1995 *************** *** 676,681 **** --- 676,811 ---- } + /* + /* + * ispell - fork off ispell while in message composition + * ispell support added by John R. Violette Bell Canada + * due to pine FAQ suggestion of using alternate editor + * and setting to ispell to use ispell but then one + * can't have an alternate editor so I made the CTRL-T + * binding call ispell which is a stripped down version + * of alt_editor + */ + ispell(f, n) + { + char eb[NLINE]; /* buf holding edit command */ + char *fn; /* tmp holder for file name */ + char *cp; + char *args[MAXARGS]; /* ptrs into edit command */ + char *writetmp(); + int child, pid, i, done = 0; + long l; + #if defined(POSIX) || defined(sv3) || defined(COHERENT) || defined(isc) || defined(neb) + int stat; + #else + union wait stat; + #endif + FILE *p; + SIGTYPE (*ohup)(), (*oint)(), (*osize)(), (*ostop)(), (*ostart)(); + + /* hack by JRV Bell Canada to hard-code ispell to CTRL-T in compose of + pine */ + strcpy(eb, SPELLER); + + if((fn=writetmp(0, 1)) == NULL){ /* get temp file */ + emlwrite("Problem writing temp file for alt editor", NULL); + return(-1); + } + + strcat(eb, " "); + strcat(eb, fn); + + cp = eb; + for(i=0; *cp != '\0';i++){ /* build args array */ + if(i < MAXARGS){ + args[i] = NULL; /* in case we break out */ + } + else{ + emlwrite("Too many args for command!", NULL); + return(-1); + } + + while(isspace(*cp)) + if(*cp != '\0') + cp++; + else + break; + + args[i] = cp; + + while(!isspace(*cp)) + if(*cp != '\0') + cp++; + else + break; + + if(*cp != '\0') + *cp++ = '\0'; + } + + args[i] = NULL; + + if(Pmaster) + (*Pmaster->raw_io)(0); /* turn OFF raw mode */ + + emlwrite("Invoking speller...", NULL); + + if(child=fork()){ /* wait for the child to finish */ + ohup = signal(SIGHUP, SIG_IGN); /* ignore signals for now */ + oint = signal(SIGINT, SIG_IGN); + #ifdef TIOCGWINSZ + osize = signal(SIGWINCH, SIG_IGN); + #endif + + /* + * BUG - wait should be made non-blocking and mail_pings or something + * need to be done in the loop to keep the imap stream alive + */ + while((pid=(int)wait(&stat)) != child) + ; + + signal(SIGHUP, ohup); /* restore signals */ + signal(SIGINT, oint); + #ifdef TIOCGWINSZ + signal(SIGWINCH, osize); + #endif + } + else{ /* spawn editor */ + signal(SIGHUP, SIG_DFL); /* let editor handle signals */ + signal(SIGINT, SIG_DFL); + #ifdef TIOCGWINSZ + signal(SIGWINCH, SIG_DFL); + #endif + + if(execvp(args[0], args) < 0) { + if (errno == ENOENT) { + emlwrite("\007Error: can't execute %s; not in $PATH", SPELLER); + } else { + emlwrite("\007Error: can't execute %s; system error", SPELLER); + } + sleep(3); + exit(1); + } + } + + if(Pmaster) + (*Pmaster->raw_io)(1); /* turn ON raw mode */ + + /* + * replace edited text with new text + */ + curbp->b_flag &= ~BFCHG; /* make sure old text gets blasted */ + readin(fn, 0); /* read new text overwriting old */ + unlink(fn); /* blast temp file */ + curbp->b_flag |= BFCHG; /* mark dirty for packbuf() */ + + /* JRV only need if in Pine not Pico standalone */ + if(Pmaster) + ttopen(); /* reset the signals */ + refresh(0, 1); /* redraw */ + return(0); + } + /* * bktoshell - suspend and wait to be woken up *** ../pine3.91//pico/os_unix.h Mon Oct 10 19:29:05 1994 --- .//pico/os_unix.h Wed Aug 9 11:05:31 1995 *************** *** 130,141 **** /* * What and where the tool that checks spelling is located. If this is * undefined, then the spelling checker is not compiled into pico. */ ! #if defined(COHERENT) || defined(AUX) ! #define SPELLER "/bin/spell" ! #else ! #define SPELLER "/usr/bin/spell" ! #endif /* memcpy() is no good for overlapping blocks. If that's a problem, use * the memmove() in ../c-client --- 130,139 ---- /* * What and where the tool that checks spelling is located. If this is * undefined, then the spelling checker is not compiled into pico. + * ispell support added by John R. Violette Bell Canada jviolett@on.bell.ca + * ispell must be in the user's path. */ ! #define SPELLER "ispell -x" /* memcpy() is no good for overlapping blocks. If that's a problem, use * the memmove() in ../c-client From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 17 09:46:52 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00754; Sun, 17 Dec 95 09:46:52 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24466; Sun, 17 Dec 95 09:44:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24460; Sun, 17 Dec 95 09:44:15 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tRN5f-00038EC; Sun, 17 Dec 95 09:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher) Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Message-Id: References: <49vgqd$5h6@zuul.nmti.com> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 18:11:55 GMT Mark Crispin wrote: > 3) moderators should pay more attention to what they approve (as > a list moderator, I fully understand the difficulty!). Your mailing list has four co-moderators, gets over a hundred messages a day, and has a high proportion of newbie posters who don't understand what Pine is telling them when they post private replies? I'm sure the soc.genealogy.surnames moderators are grateful that you assign blame squarely where blame is due. -- Ellen Keyne Seebacher news@uchinews.uchicago.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 17 09:47:36 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00781; Sun, 17 Dec 95 09:47:36 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23070; Sun, 17 Dec 95 09:44:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23064; Sun, 17 Dec 95 09:44:17 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tRN7A-00038HC; Sun, 17 Dec 95 09:43 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Tim Pierce Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Message-Id: References: <49vgqd$5h6@zuul.nmti.com> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 17:58:33 GMT In article , Mark Crispin wrote: >This problem goes away with Pine 3.92 due to the anti-falsing code. >... >The problem is prevented if any of the three conditions above are absent. >When Pine 3.92 comes out, there's a fourth: "User A is running an old >version which lacks anti-falsing" ... "So fix tin, nn and the trn family!" -- Mark Crispin. So very interesting. Some months ago, in an earlier incarnation of this discussion, that was the "solution" you offered to the problem of posting private mail: fix every other news software platform on the planet. Of course, even if the software maintainers had agreed immediately to make the required changes, it would not have affected legacy platforms, where software packages ten years old and older still run. But at the time, you indicated no recognition that there was any such problem with legacy software -- or, if you did, you apparently did not care about it. However, now that you have finally agreed to modify Pine's behavior to (hopefully) eliminate this problem, suddenly you demonstrate some comprehension that legacy systems will pose a problem. Whoops! We've still got to worry about those Pine 3.91 users! So, since the release of 3.92 will apparently not fix the problem *completely*, would it be fair to say that your demand to "fix tin, nn and the trn family" was similarly misdirected? The irony of this, of course, is that we need to worry about legacy software mainly because 3.91 has been out for over a year, and has become wildly popular in that time. Suppose that, immediately after last year's release, you had admitted that the Pine philosophy of news presents a practical problem that could be fixed immediately without impairing Pine's ability to read or post news, and if you had promptly prepared a bug-fix release. Had that happened, we would have much less reason to worry now about coping with sites at which Pine 3.91 is now installed and may never be upgraded. But because you have dragged your collective heels for sixteen months, we cannot avoid it. This brings me back to my original, principal complaint about the state of Pine development. The real problem is not simply that a bug was written, or that the Pine designers have a vision for their software which diverges from that of its users. The real problem is that they seem unable to recognize a serious design flaw when it presents itself, or that they are unwilling to treat that flaw responsibly and in a prompt manner. What will happen when a problem like this happens again? I'd hate to think what might happen if any of you guys were doctors and had to deal with a burst appendix. Why should it be *your* responsibility to fix it, since the thing shouldn't even have been there in the first place? >Instead of settling for a single magic bullet, it is more sensible to >attack the problem on all fronts: > 1) discourage the use of the "Newsgroups:" header in messages > that are not posted. This behavior is not sanctioned by any > specification, and may be outlawed in the future (more > likely, "Newsgroups:" will be deprecated in favor of a new > and unambiguous mechanism, but that will also force everyone > to change). This behavior is neither sanctioned nor discouraged by any specification, and for many years it has been common practice, with a meaning orthogonal to that which Pine has imposed. > 2) encourage users to pay careful attention to where they send > their messages in all cases. There are innumerable cases of > inadvertant posting to news with *all* news posting software, > and inadvertant posting to mailing lists with *all* mail > software. This is a much wider problem that Pine. Pine does not allow the user to make a clear distinction between the two entities (perhaps because Pine does not make a clear distinction itself). Even users who are paying careful attention to the disposition of their messages are regularly misled by Pine's diagnostic messages. > 3) moderators should pay more attention to what they approve (as > a list moderator, I fully understand the difficulty!). Newsgroups which have multiple moderators, at different injection points, do not have this luxury. I do not. > 4) software should anti-false the "Newsgroups:" header. Only, it seems, because Pine has taken the initiative of forcibly redefining it for the rest of the world. I agree that this is a smart practical decision, but your insistence upon making it everyone else's *responsibility* is deplorable. > 5) software should require explicit user decision for posting > or mailing, instead of trusting the user to pay proper > attention to a yes/no question. Software should not even ask the user whether they wish to post something to news that was not news to begin with. The user is merely answering a message that was sent to them; if the software chooses to treat news and mail identically, the software should be responsible for dispatching the message appropriately, and should not pass the buck to the user. -- By sending unsolicited commercially-oriented e-mail to this address, the sender agrees to pay a $100 flat fee to the recipient for proofreading services. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 17 12:47:40 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03773; Sun, 17 Dec 95 12:47:40 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26742; Sun, 17 Dec 95 12:40:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26736; Sun, 17 Dec 95 12:40:14 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tRPrF-00038DC; Sun, 17 Dec 95 12:38 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Jeff Buoy Subject: Re_ Can anyone decode this? Date: 17 Dec 1995 15:08:34 GMT Message-Id: <4b1bpi$14qg@thor.cmp.ilstu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I am a Mac user, and I believe this was created on a PC. I've tried unsuccessfully to decode this using Mpack 1.5. It is a mailing list for a mathematics s.i.g. 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Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tRSqK-00038DC; Sun, 17 Dec 95 15:50 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) Subject: Re: Posted Email Date: 17 Dec 1995 19:50:50 GMT Message-Id: <4b1saq$cje@news.orst.edu> References: <4akb1e$4kf@nyx10.cs.du.edu> <4ar5k3$82a@news.orst.edu> In article , Lloyd Wood wrote: >On 15 Dec 1995, John Stanley wrote: > >> Since email is not USENET > >Untrue! Right. Lloyd says that email is USENET, so it is. End of discussion. Get a clue. >but then, I use Pine and believe in mail-and-post. And in doing so, you are ignorant of the difference between email and news. You can thank Pine for your ignorance, or maybe not. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 17 16:47:58 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07452; Sun, 17 Dec 95 16:47:58 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29840; Sun, 17 Dec 95 16:40:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29834; Sun, 17 Dec 95 16:40:12 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tRTXx-00038EC; Sun, 17 Dec 95 16:35 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mgg@iceman.triad.com (Mark Galbraith) Subject: Re: Return to Sender - How ? In-Reply-To: Sven Guckes's message of 10 Dec 1995 22:11:18 GMT Message-Id: References: <4aflu6$ldg@fu-berlin.de> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 01:13:09 GMT >>>>> "Sven" == Sven Guckes writes: Sven> ghhawk@gate.net (Glenn Hawkins) writes: >> Just as one can create a ".forward" file to auto-forward ones e-mail to >> another address, can one create a ".retrun-to-sender" file to auto-return >> unwanted e-mail from a specific e-mail addressee? Sven> No. At least I have never heard of it yet. ;-) How about a .forward with "no.one.home@bogus.address.com". That should certainly cause a bounce. -- Mark Galbraith Senior UNIX Engineer/Postmaster PGP Key (E3468605) = 1C B9 74 81 AD 5C 57 09 69 0B AC 09 7F 65 D6 F6 "Those that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1773) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 17 17:40:07 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08273; Sun, 17 Dec 95 17:40:07 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29244; Sun, 17 Dec 95 17:35:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29238; Sun, 17 Dec 95 17:35:20 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tRURL-00038DC; Sun, 17 Dec 95 17:32 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Witch's Bear Subject: using ispell with pico... Message-Id: Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 10:15:32 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII outside of pine that is. what's the syntax for setting the environment variable SPELL? thanks bill _ _( )_ ( (o____ | 7 \ (")-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=- / \ \ | | ( ) | Witch's Bear | While Eeyore frets... | | \__/ Bill Thater | and Piglet hesitates... | | | wthater@cldx.com | and Rabbit calculates... | ( / 102623.231@compuserve.com| and Owl pontificates... | \ / Alt.cuddle's resident | Pooh just is. | ) /(_ cuddleNinja | | | (___) | _The Tao of Pooh_ | \____) | | |-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 17 18:24:57 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08941; Sun, 17 Dec 95 18:24:57 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01227; Sun, 17 Dec 95 18:20:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01221; Sun, 17 Dec 95 18:20:24 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tRV6x-00038DC; Sun, 17 Dec 95 18:15 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tranhu@JSP.UMontreal.CA (TRAN Huu Da) Subject: Re: Return to Sender - How ? Date: 12 Dec 1995 16:30:11 GMT Message-Id: <4akamj$ogm@epervier.CC.UMontreal.CA> References: Once, Glenn Hawkins (ghhawk@gate.net) speculated about: | Just as one can create a ".forward" file to auto-forward ones e-mail to | another address, can one create a ".retrun-to-sender" file to auto-return | unwanted e-mail from a specific e-mail addressee? You would need to filter the mail... Try: % man procmail (could compile it yourself) % man filter (comes in ELM package) There's also a FAQ about mail-filtering posted here... __________________________________________________________________________ TRAN, Huu Da mailto:tranhu@jsp.umontreal.ca B.SC info (1ère année) http://www.jsp.umontreal.ca/~tranhu/ Université de Montréal http://libertel.montreal.qc.ca/~tranhu/ Si l'on bâtissait la maison du bonheur, la plus grande pièce en serait la salle d'attente. -- J. Renard From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 17 18:40:00 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09215; Sun, 17 Dec 95 18:40:00 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00110; Sun, 17 Dec 95 18:35:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00104; Sun, 17 Dec 95 18:35:26 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tRVM1-00038DC; Sun, 17 Dec 95 18:31 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mraaum@ask.uio.no (Margrete Raaum) Subject: Re: Sending mail in PC pine Date: 13 Dec 1995 18:33:08 GMT Message-Id: <4an694$aoh@ratatosk.uio.no> References: <4ajoat$eat@oban.cc.ic.ac.uk> In article <4ajoat$eat@oban.cc.ic.ac.uk>, justin@ic.ac.uk (Justin) writes: > I've just started using PC-pine for windows. I have all my folder collections > on a DEC-station and I am using PC-pine (successfully) to read these folders > and save incoming messages into them (which I can also do without problems.) > The trouble I'm having is when I attempt to send or reply to mail. After > pressing ctrl-X followed by Y I get the sending mail message but then the > screen does not clear and the cursor returns to the top of the message. In > the configuration under `smtp-server' I just have the name of our mail server > (which also happens to hold my account) in curly brackets {}, do I need to > specify sendmail or something? smtp-server=nameofyoursmtpserver should be enough (e.g. prawn.sp.ph.ic.ac.uk?) MR ps. tractors? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 17 19:00:08 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09530; Sun, 17 Dec 95 19:00:08 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01653; Sun, 17 Dec 95 18:55:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01647; Sun, 17 Dec 95 18:55:37 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tRVhY-00038DC; Sun, 17 Dec 95 18:53 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: peter@nmti.com (Peter da Silva) Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 17 Dec 1995 21:26:50 GMT Message-Id: <4b21uq$6lg@zuul.nmti.com> References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> <4aqfim$bae@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> <4asep3$qe8@news.orst.edu> <4b0pij$rm9@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> In article <4b0pij$rm9@info-server.surrey.ac.uk>, Lloyd Wood wrote: > stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) wrote: > > Please > >explain why an RFC-822 compliant mail agent is going to know about > >headers that are not defined for mail. > Pine does. Then it's not RFC-822 compliant. It's "RFC-822 + RFC-1036 + house conference committee to resolve the conflicts in these documents"-subset compliant. -- Peter da Silva (NIC: PJD2) `-_-' 1601 Industrial Boulevard Bailey Network Management 'U` Sugar Land, TX 77487-5013 +1 713 274 5180 "Har du kramat din varg idag?" USA Bailey pays for my technical expertise. My opinions probably scare them From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 17 20:01:27 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10360; Sun, 17 Dec 95 20:01:27 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01109; Sun, 17 Dec 95 19:55:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01103; Sun, 17 Dec 95 19:55:44 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tRWbx-00038DC; Sun, 17 Dec 95 19:51 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pete@rayleigh.AFTAC.GOV (Pete Geenhuizen) Subject: Re: Compiling PINE under Solaris 2.4 - Solution Date: 14 Dec 1995 10:18:35 GMT Message-Id: <4aotlr$12s@scinter.aftac.gov> References: <4afli2$3ra@scinter.aftac.gov> In article <4afli2$3ra@scinter.aftac.gov>, Pete Geenhuizen wrote: >I'm making the move to Solaris 2.4, and tried to compile Pine 3.91, but >ran into a minor snag. Here's the error output I got a couple of responses to my Question. The first one I got I tried, and it worked. David Drum has a patch and some instructions on how to apply it. I used gcc-2.7.1 and, as Dvid points out, with some warnings Pine compiles and works just fine. |> |> finger david@services.more.net > pine.patch |> |> Edit out the finger information at the top of the file. |> -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- "If there's isn't a god, then who pops up the next kleenex?" Pete Geenhuizen, Systems Administrator, pete@rayleigh.tt.aftac.gov AFTAC PAFB Cocoa Beach, FL From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 17 20:15:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10659; Sun, 17 Dec 95 20:15:42 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02596; Sun, 17 Dec 95 20:10:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02590; Sun, 17 Dec 95 20:10:46 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tRWrQ-00038DC; Sun, 17 Dec 95 20:07 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 13 Dec 1995 19:36:25 GMT Message-Id: <4an9vp$cfo@news.orst.edu> References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> <4aapbu$rcd@hustle.rahul.net> <4akpjs$m5n@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> In article <4akpjs$m5n@info-server.surrey.ac.uk>, Lloyd Wood wrote: >Rahul Dhesi wrote: >>In all fairness, let's note that making it hard for you to duplicate >>via email a Usenet posting is desirable behavior. > >Is it? Yes. >What are current usenet propagation times around the planet? What >spool expiry settings are people using? Irrelevant. >Mail-and-post is a good way of keeping those interested in a thread >aware of responses to them, No, letting people see the articles in news is a good way of informing people of your replies. > even if they're unable to check in with >their spool before the thread expires. If they can't read news for that long, what makes you think they are reading their mail, either? And if the reason they stop reading news is because they lost interest, why do you think it is proper to dump copies of your articles into their mail? >We're currently on five days >or less here for all groups, and lots of articles in many, even >serious, groups are alone, with all their references >expired from the spools. So what? References are supposed to expire. If you don't want the references to dissappear, save a copy. You not saving a copy of what you want to keep is not a reason to dump copies of news into other people's mailboxes. >I believe that mail-and-post is the only thing that can stop usenet >from turning into IRC. It increases coherency; it's necessary. Baloney. It removes coherency by causing people to respond twice to the same message: once when it shows up in mail and then again when it shows up in news. >Learn to live with it. Baloney. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 17 21:37:58 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12016; Sun, 17 Dec 95 21:37:58 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02409; Sun, 17 Dec 95 21:35:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02403; Sun, 17 Dec 95 21:35:50 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tRYDh-00038DC; Sun, 17 Dec 95 21:34 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pete@rayleigh.AFTAC.GOV (Pete Geenhuizen) Subject: Re: Compiling pine with gcc on Solaris 2.4? Date: 14 Dec 1995 10:14:35 GMT Message-Id: <4aoteb$11l@scinter.aftac.gov> References: <4a5pck$108@ns.ccsn.edu> In article <4a5pck$108@ns.ccsn.edu>, Russell Mosemann wrote: > I have not had any luck compiling pine under Solaris 2.4. The >binaries work fine, but I always have to add a fix that has been on the >pine wish list for the last 3 or 4 years and never implemented. > I've compiled with the unbundled C compiler on a SPARC II and with gcc >2.7.2 on a SPARC 4. Both times I did the "build sol". It would go for >a ways and then barf on declarations. I looked at the makefile.sol and >uncommented lines for gcc, but none of my modifications seemed to make >much difference. Both systems do _not_ have the BSD compatibility >package installed. I think it's a little odd that pine does not compile >out of the box. > Has anyone figured out how to compile pine using gcc on Solaris? > David Drum has. He sent me this short replay. I tried it with gcc-2.7.1 and as David points out, with a few warnings it compiles. |> |> finger david@services.more.net > pine.patch |> |> Edit out the finger information at the top of the file. |> David provides a patch and some instructions to apply it. Good luck. Pete -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- "If there's isn't a god, then who pops up the next kleenex?" Pete Geenhuizen, Systems Administrator, pete@rayleigh.tt.aftac.gov AFTAC PAFB Cocoa Beach, FL From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 17 22:18:53 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12646; Sun, 17 Dec 95 22:18:53 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04172; Sun, 17 Dec 95 22:15:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04166; Sun, 17 Dec 95 22:15:55 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tRYr4-00038EC; Sun, 17 Dec 95 22:15 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Russ Allbery Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 13 Dec 1995 15:13:48 -0800 Message-Id: References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Lloyd Wood's message of 13 Dec 1995 12:57:21 GMT [ Posted and e-mailed. ] In news.admin.misc, Lloyd Wood writes: > Russ Allbery wrote: >> *ONLY* if you state explicitly in your message that it was both mailed >> and posted. Most people do, but some do not, and the ones who do not are >> highly annoying. I don't want to have to respond to the same message >> twice. > I shouldn't have to do that; your reader should indicate that for you > from the headers. What header? Not the Newsgroups: line, since many, if not most, news readers will insert that in an e-mailed reply to a news article (and have for some time). Here, let me give you an excerpt from the Gnus 5 info pages: `gnus-auto-mail-to-author' If `ask', you will be prompted for whether you want to send a mail copy to the author of the article you are following up. If non-`nil' and not `ask', Gnus will send a mail with a copy of all follow-ups to the authors of the articles you follow up. It's nice in one way - you make sure that the person you are responding to gets your response. Other people loathe this method and will hate you dearly for it, because it means that they will first get a mail, and then have to read the same article later when they read the news. It is `nil' by default. `gnus-mail-courtesy-message' This is a string that will be prepended to all mails that are the result of using the variable described above. If Pine and whatever other mailers or news readers that you use to send mail replies to newsgroup postings would implement something equivalent to gnus-mail-courtesy-message, I'd be perfectly happy. And I will honor all requests to send a mail copy -- for example, I'm sending an e-mail copy of this message, since you apparently prefer that. But there is no header which can communicate this information, and the rest of the world isn't going to change to fit your concept of how reality should be. >> I, for one, will killfile in both mail *and* news those who post and mail >> without clearly stating so. > You must have one hell of a large killfile. No, only one person so far has been persistantly rude enough to keep sending me unmarked e-mail copies of followups after I've asked that they stop. I see you're trying to be the second, though. -- Russ Allbery (rra@cs.stanford.edu) http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~rra/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 17 22:48:18 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13068; Sun, 17 Dec 95 22:48:18 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03267; Sun, 17 Dec 95 22:46:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03261; Sun, 17 Dec 95 22:45:59 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tRZG4-00038HC; Sun, 17 Dec 95 22:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rfreeman@flowbee.interaccess.com (Richard E. Freeman) Subject: Supressing Address Lists? Date: 14 Dec 1995 00:46:48 GMT Message-Id: <4ans5o$put@nntp.interaccess.com> To use pine to run an email list with 100 addresses or more how would you keep from sending enormous headers containing the whole list of subscribers to everyone on the list? I'm talking about using the addressbook's list creation option. Thanks, -- Rich Freeman From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 18 00:00:22 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14035; Mon, 18 Dec 95 00:00:22 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05436; Sun, 17 Dec 95 23:56:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05430; Sun, 17 Dec 95 23:56:06 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tRaMr-00038EC; Sun, 17 Dec 95 23:52 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: kolsam@csulb.edu (Kolsam Mel Keo) Subject: Automatic bounce feature??? Date: 12 Dec 1995 17:35:13 GMT Message-Id: <4akegh$d04@garuda.csulb.edu> Hello, Does anyone know how to set up the Pine configuration so it automatically bounces incoming emails from a certain address? Thanks. Mel From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 18 01:14:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15635; Mon, 18 Dec 95 01:14:23 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06465; Mon, 18 Dec 95 01:02:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from orion.p.lodz.pl by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06459; Mon, 18 Dec 95 01:02:37 -0800 Received: from orion.p.lodz.pl by orion.p.lodz.pl with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #64) id m0tRhCs-000I31C; Mon, 18 Dec 95 10:10 EST Message-Id: Date: Mon, 18 Dec 95 10:10 EST X-Sender: sewer@orion.p.lodz.pl X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sewer@orion.p.lodz.pl (Sewer Jakubowski) Subject: unsubscribe pine Z powazaniem Sewer Jakubowski From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 18 01:36:14 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16226; Mon, 18 Dec 95 01:36:14 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05627; Mon, 18 Dec 95 01:31:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05621; Mon, 18 Dec 95 01:31:27 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tRbr3-00038EC; Mon, 18 Dec 95 01:27 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: uhaa007@sun.rhbnc.ac.uk (Andy Reid) Subject: Re: IMAP addon ofr Win95 Exchange Date: 18 Dec 1995 09:08:43 GMT Message-Id: <4b3b2r$253@sun.rhbnc.ac.uk> References: <4amukt$q83@milo.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca> In article , dlm@cac.washington.edu (David L Miller) writes: |> On 13 Dec 1995, Gordon Fecyk wrote: |> |> > IMAP is not within Exchange's scheme of things. |> > |> > Exchange bases its operations on storing mail locally (like POP3 |> > allows). IMAP requires that mail remains on the server. On that mail |> > server the IMAP client can make their own folders etc but they remain on |> > the server. |> > |> |> IMAP doesn't have any such requirement. It can be used to download |> mail to a local folder just like POP3 can. IMAP does allow the option |> of keeping mail on the server, which is more problematic with POP3. |> |> > Giuseppe Bottasini (bottasini@cesi.it) wrote: |> > : Is there anywhere an IMAP addon for Win95 Exchange ? I would like to use Win95 |> > : Exchange as an IMAP client to connect to our test IMAP server imapd. |> |> Some preliminary investigation has been done by the e-mail group at |> UW. On the surface it looks feasible to write an IMAP <-> MAPI |> interface. We will be investigating it further after the Pine 3.92 |> release... We would be very interested in this work. Could you post any progress please? Many thanks Andy Reid Royal Holloway, University of London From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 18 03:52:09 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18483; Mon, 18 Dec 95 03:52:09 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08546; Mon, 18 Dec 95 03:41:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08540; Mon, 18 Dec 95 03:41:33 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tRdvv-00038EC; Mon, 18 Dec 95 03:40 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jordir@lasole.upc.es (Jordi Renye) Subject: Potential security problems in pine 3.87 Date: 18 Dec 1995 10:19:17 GMT Message-Id: <4b3f75$28q@diable.upc.es> We want to install pine in our site to allow easy management of mime messages. - Is there any known security bugs in this version of pine? wwWWww [o][o] ------------------------ooO--(__)--Ooo-- -Internet- Alberto Robles. "But soon, soon, soon, the world will be Becario de Comunicaciones a better place, with meadows and bunnies alberto@alabi.upc.es and fiber optics in every home.... " http://www-fib.upc.es/~alberto From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 18 04:38:29 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20052; Mon, 18 Dec 95 04:38:29 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08180; Mon, 18 Dec 95 04:29:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08168; Mon, 18 Dec 95 04:29:18 -0800 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 18 Dec 1995 12:27:41 +0000 Received: by tower.york.ac.uk (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/940406.SGI) id MAA04656; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 12:25:36 GMT Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 12:25:36 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Brudenell To: Jordi Renye Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Potential security problems in pine 3.87 In-Reply-To: <4b3f75$28q@diable.upc.es> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The question is semi-academic... After Pine 3.87 came version 3.89, then 3.90, followed by 3.91 (the current version). I would strongly urge you to obtain and install 3.91 in preference to 3.87 as it contains *many* enhancements, particularly in the ability to configure it. As far as I am aware of there are no security problems in any of the versions of Pine (that I recall). However if you are wanting to run it under a restricted shell you may find that users can read files (eg, into messages being composed) that they would not otherwise be able to. I think some discussion about the use of Pine within a restricted shell environment has occurred in the not too distant past. If this is applicable to you you may be able to find the discussion in the "Pine-Info" archives accessible from the Pine Information Centre on the World-Wide Web: http://www.washington.edu:1180/pine/ Cheers, Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Tel: +44-1904-433811 FAX: +44-1904-433740 http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/ On 18 Dec 1995, Jordi Renye wrote: > We want to install pine in our site to allow easy management of mime messages. > > - Is there any known security bugs in this version of pine? > > wwWWww > [o][o] > ------------------------ooO--(__)--Ooo-- > > -Internet- Alberto Robles. > "But soon, soon, soon, the world will be Becario de Comunicaciones > a better place, with meadows and bunnies alberto@alabi.upc.es > and fiber optics in every home.... " http://www-fib.upc.es/~alberto > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 18 05:39:27 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21532; Mon, 18 Dec 95 05:39:27 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10222; Mon, 18 Dec 95 05:26:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10216; Mon, 18 Dec 95 05:26:46 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tRfaO-00038HC; Mon, 18 Dec 95 05:26 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: llurch@Networking.Stanford.EDU (Richard Charles Graves) Subject: Re: IMAP addon ofr Win95 Exchange Message-Id: <4akp4k$khn@Networking.Stanford.EDU> Date: 12 Dec 1995 12:36:36 -0800 References: <1995Dec4.110501.937@cesi> bottasini@cesi.it (Giuseppe Bottasini) writes: >Is there anywhere an IMAP addon for Win95 Exchange? No. At least some of the relevant Microsoft folks seem to be unaware that IMAP even exists. We've passed on the relevant RFCs. If Microsoft starts supporting IMAP, there will be joy throughout the land, because this will legitimize the standard and convince people who know what they're doing to support IMAP as well. The best IMAP client I know of for Windows is Simeon, sales@esys.ca, http://www.esys.ca/ -rich owner-win95netbugs@lists.stanford.edu ftp://ftp.stanford.edu/pub/mailing-lists/win95netbugs/ gopher://quixote.stanford.edu/1m/win95netbugs http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~llurch/win95netbugs/faq.html From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 18 05:52:52 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21760; Mon, 18 Dec 95 05:52:52 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10471; Mon, 18 Dec 95 05:41:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10459; Mon, 18 Dec 95 05:41:50 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tRfmu-00038IC; Mon, 18 Dec 95 05:39 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: justin@ic.ac.uk (Justin) Subject: Sending mail in PC pine Date: Tue, 12 Dec 95 16:14:54 GMT Message-Id: <4ajoat$eat@oban.cc.ic.ac.uk> I've just started using PC-pine for windows. I have all my folder collections on a DEC-station and I am using PC-pine (successfully) to read these folders and save incoming messages into them (which I can also do without problems.) The trouble I'm having is when I attempt to send or reply to mail. After pressing ctrl-X followed by Y I get the sending mail message but then the screen does not clear and the cursor returns to the top of the message. In the configuration under `smtp-server' I just have the name of our mail server (which also happens to hold my account) in curly brackets {}, do I need to specify sendmail or something? Any help would be appreciated, Thanks, Justin Justin Ashmall Space Physics Group, Imperial College, London email justin@ic.ac.uk or j.ashmall@ic.ac.uk From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 18 06:05:50 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21970; Mon, 18 Dec 95 06:05:50 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09104; Mon, 18 Dec 95 05:41:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09098; Mon, 18 Dec 95 05:41:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tRfl9-00038EC; Mon, 18 Dec 95 05:37 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ag786@yfn.ysu.edu (Barry Bouwsma) Subject: Re: Pine, rimapd, and UnixWare... Date: 17 Dec 1995 13:55:04 GMT Message-Id: <4b17fo$ptn@news.ysu.edu> References: <4a6hrp$18c@news.ysu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4a6hrp$18c@news.ysu.edu> On 7 Dec 1995, Barry Bouwsma wrote: > I am attempting to use Pine3.91 for UnixWare, presumably obtained > from the usle archives at ftp.novell.de or equivalent, as an IMAP and > SMTP client program. This should be attempting to execute the command: > rsh IMAPHOST exec /etc/rimapd Okay, so I'm still struggling with this, but with a little bit more information so I've made a small bit of progress. Thanks to private e-mail from Mark Crispin, it was pointed out that this UnixWare version (which I'm running on UnixWare1.1.4) is based on the SV4 port of Pine. What that means is that the command it expects to find to exec the /etc/rimapd, as defined in the c-client Makefile, is /usr/bin/resh (remote shell, no doubt to differentiate from the restricted shell which would be rsh), and not /usr/bin/rsh . If I look at /usr/bin on this UnixWare system, I find rsh, which indeed is the remote shell, but no resh. For the sake of a UnixWare port, or at least definitions which would point in such a direction, I ask, does the standard UW1.x consist of /usr/bin/rsh but no /usr/bin/resh for the remote shell? Is there any difference in UW2.x , or is /usr/bin/rsh still what a SysVR4 system would know as /usr/bin/resh? Okay. Now the fun began. So, I thought, aha, well, let's make a /usr/bin/resh which Pine expects to be able to execute, which I did by linking /usr/bin/rsh to it. One slight drawback -- if rsh is called by any other name, that is taken as a host for the argument to rlogin. So I got messages to the effect that resh was an unknown host. The True Hacker does not give up, but says aha -- so I alias the host called resh to be our IMAP server. Okay, all well and good, and the command ``/usr/bin/resh'' would log one into the IMAP server. Unfortunately, the command ``/usr/bin/resh IMAPSERVER exec /etc/rimapd'' was not successful. Sigh. The True Hacker does not give up. I am not The True Hacker. I chose to turn my attention to other more rewarding things, and planned to attack the problem at the source (code). When I got my courage up again, I decided to see if I might be able to compile Pine with a change to the definition of RSH so it would try to execute /usr/bin/rsh instead. This is not so easy. The UnixWear box I'm trying to get this to work on has no compiler, and a limited amount of space like everything else around here. So, I am looking at the following options: 1) Begging and pleading for someone with a compiler for UnixWare1.1.4 (or compatible) to recompile Pine with the noted change to point Pine in the right direction to find /usr/bin/rsh . If any other changes are needed, report them to the Pine Team for possible inclusion as a UW1 port -- if UW2 is the same and has no resh, then perhaps there can be a UW2 port as well if it is different from UnixWare1.x . I have no chance of getting a compiler here, so I have no way to do this myself. 2) Building gcc on another system as a cross-compiler and using that to compile Pine for i386-sysv4 UnixWare. This is the approach I've decided to try just for laughs and see how it works. Of course, my resources here are limited and I've spent the weekend doing this, which is more time than I promised myself I'd put into it. Kinda hard to install a cross-compiler and supporting utilities when you don't have root access, but The True Hacker is not discouraged by such petty limitations. Nor is The True Hacker put off by certain header files which are called for by Pine but which I haven't seen on the UnixWhereAreThey box. I am not The True Hacker. But at least I gain experience and understanding. Well, experience. 3) Asking someone to put me out of my misery. If you're in the Brno area, you can find me at Mendel University, if I'm not walking downtown muttering about includes. But only until Wednesday, which is when I hope to have this problem solved, for I'll go on my way and let them hack the sendmail.cf rather than migrate to a client-server model. 4) Using a friendly binary file editor to change the resh references, which can be seen by running ``strings'' on the Pine binary and grepping (see http://www.vszbr.cz/~guest/images/grep.gif) for ``resh'' on the output of that, into references to /usr/bin/rsh and rsh and Ed Grshko. I don't really know what I'm doing here, nor do I know if it's the correct approach, but it's less painful than option 2, and while I can't tell if it works until Monday when I have access to the machines of interest, the resulting binary doesn't quite exactly bomb immediately just yet as far as I can tell, I think, maybe. 5) Skip the problem, let someone else deal with it, open a fine Czech beer or three, turn up the heat, play some Jungle and Breakbeat loud, and enjoy the weekend. As always, I would be grateful for any help someone can offer, advice about what you've done in similar situations, or consolation. Many thanks... -- Barry Bouwsma, Mendel University Brno, Czech Republic -- I Still Have No Life Flash! Seeking work with computers over winter in Czech or Slovak Republic... (or Austria, Switzerland, Germany...) send offers to This sig is five lines long. Check your newsreader configuration if you do not From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 18 06:15:30 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22339; Mon, 18 Dec 95 06:15:30 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09159; Mon, 18 Dec 95 05:47:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09153; Mon, 18 Dec 95 05:47:02 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tRfp3-00038KC; Mon, 18 Dec 95 05:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Steve Scholz Subject: Accessing an account from a distance. Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 13:49:58 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I don't know if you are the group I should be asking this question of, but here it goes. I have an account at the Univ of New Mexico. I can access it via local telephones from home or directly at school. My question is, when I go on vacation, is it necessary for me to call long-distance to these local numbers in order to gain access or is there some way to make use of local calls around the country to access it? For instance if I am in San Francisco is there some local number (say for SFSU) whereI could call and from there login to my accoutn in New Meixco? This seems familiar but I don't know the validity or method by which I do this. Assuming I can find the local dial-in numbers where-ever I am, how do I get to my account? Thanks Steve From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 18 08:10:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25201; Mon, 18 Dec 95 08:10:06 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11186; Mon, 18 Dec 95 07:59:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mail.sni.de by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11172; Mon, 18 Dec 95 07:59:01 -0800 Received: (from nerv@localhost) by nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA01770 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 16:58:54 +0100 Received: from ao5.mow.sni.de (itspc5.mow.sni.de [149.202.148.207]) by itsmx1.mow.sni.de (8.7.3/8.7.2) with SMTP id SAA20463 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 18:58:30 +0300 (OET) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 18:59:02 +0300 (EET) From: Andrej Borsenkow To: Pine Mailing list Subject: More info on SMTP session error. X-Sender: bor@itsmx1.mow.sni.de Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, all! Is it possible to get the SMTP error message if the session fails? Now one just gets a 'Be-e-e-e-p' and doesn't know, what was a problem. If Pine could show SMTP error message, it would help a lot in tracing down a problem. Do I miss something or is it not possible in 3.91? Then may be include in 3.92? BTW I don't mean debug file. It is too late :-) (first I have the problem and then start Pine with -d and it runs O.K) thanks for info ---------------------------------------------------- Andrej Borsenkow E-Mail: borsenkow.msk@sni.de SNI ITS, Moscow Phone: +7 (095) 252 13 88 ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 18 08:34:56 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27094; Mon, 18 Dec 95 08:34:56 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13282; Mon, 18 Dec 95 08:29:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from hopper.acs.ryerson.ca by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13276; Mon, 18 Dec 95 08:29:31 -0800 Received: by hopper.acs.ryerson.ca (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA134094; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 11:32:41 -0500 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 11:32:41 -0500 (EST) From: Paul Ribeiro To: Pine Mailing list Subject: Re: More info on SMTP session error. In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 18 Dec 1995, Andrej Borsenkow wrote: > Is it possible to get the SMTP error message if the session fails? > Now one just gets a 'Be-e-e-e-p' and doesn't know, what was a problem. > If Pine could show SMTP error message, it would help a lot in tracing > down a problem. Yes, I'd like to second this request...we had a bunch of calls from people complaining that "pc-pine hangs" - turns out they mistyped an address. thanks, /P From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 18 10:53:05 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05205; Mon, 18 Dec 95 10:53:05 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17489; Mon, 18 Dec 95 10:47:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17483; Mon, 18 Dec 95 10:47:25 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tRkXH-00038EC; Mon, 18 Dec 95 10:43 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Re: print? Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 20:22:49 -0500 Message-Id: References: <4an567$aoh@ratatosk.uio.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4an567$aoh@ratatosk.uio.no> On 13 Dec 1995, Margrete Raaum wrote: > In article , Joel Frank writes: > > I am usig pine on my notebook. How do I save e-mail or text from pine or > > the net to my notebook so I can print it. My phone line is not near my > > printer. I have windows, WP and a laser printer > > If you are using PC-PINE, no problem...save and print :-) > If you are running pine on your host (unix) I guess you would have > to save it remotely and transfer it using kermit or another suitable > program. Some communications programs you run on your notebook/PC have a screen capture facility, so that what you read is also captured in a local file. You can then print that. It saves having to do a separate file transfer from a remote host. I use ProComm Plus v2/DOS, and it has that capability. I use it from time to time. Check out your comm software documentation for something like "screen capture" or "log file." Paul -------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett P. O. Box 857 Vienna, VA 22183-0857 U.S.A. Finger, keyserver, or WWW for PGP 2.6.2 public key URL: http://www.access.digex.net/~pobart -------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 18 12:26:47 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10392; Mon, 18 Dec 95 12:26:47 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18670; Mon, 18 Dec 95 12:22:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18663; Mon, 18 Dec 95 12:22:35 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tRm1k-00038EC; Mon, 18 Dec 95 12:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gjhurlbu@beirdo.uplink.on.ca (Gavin Hurlbut) Subject: Re: Posted Email Date: 17 Dec 1995 17:00:16 -0500 Message-Id: <4b23tg$cds@beirdo.uplink.on.ca> References: <4akb1e$4kf@nyx10.cs.du.edu> <4akoo4$idm@hudson.lm.com> <4ar5k3$82a@news.orst.edu> Lloyd Wood (eep1lw@ee.surrey.ac.uk) wrote: > On 15 Dec 1995, John Stanley wrote: > > > Since email is not USENET > > Untrue! Huh? Email is certainly NOT Usenet. Email and Usenet are carried over the same medium (Internet, UUCP, etc), but they are not the same thing. -- Gavin J. Hurlbut gjhurlbu@beirdo.uplink.on.ca Fido: 1:221/1407 I am writing Final Exams so 3B Electrical Engineering don't expect instant replies University of Waterloo My Homepage: http://csclub.uwaterloo.ca/u/gjhurlbu/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 18 14:13:24 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16729; Mon, 18 Dec 95 14:13:24 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23500; Mon, 18 Dec 95 14:07:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23494; Mon, 18 Dec 95 14:07:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tRniP-00038EC; Mon, 18 Dec 95 14:07 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Tim Pierce Subject: Re: Potential security problems in pine 3.87 Message-Id: References: <4b3f75$28q@diable.upc.es> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 17:58:16 GMT In article , Mike Brudenell wrote: >After Pine 3.87 came version 3.89, then 3.90, followed by 3.91 (the >current version). > >I would strongly urge you to obtain and install 3.91 in preference to >3.87 as it contains *many* enhancements, particularly in the ability to >configure it. It also contains a certain enhancement that a lot of people view as a very serious design flaw, which the poster might wish to take into account. -- By sending unsolicited commercially-oriented e-mail to this address, the sender agrees to pay a $100 flat fee to the recipient for proofreading services. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 18 22:57:52 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02724; Mon, 18 Dec 95 22:57:52 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01997; Mon, 18 Dec 95 22:45:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01991; Mon, 18 Dec 95 22:45:32 -0800 Received: from localhost by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26210; Mon, 18 Dec 95 22:45:29 -0800 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 22:45:29 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Hubert Reply-To: Steve Hubert To: ++ Pegboy ++ Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Resetting addressbook? In-Reply-To: <4anjjm$86v@gti.gti.net> Message-Id: Organization: University of Washington; Computing and Communications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 13 Dec 1995, ++ Pegboy ++ wrote: > Hi! > I come across this problem every so often.... > When I go to my .addressbook, I get a message saying: > 'addressbook changed by another process' > then it says: > 're-syncing addressbook' > > It will do this for up to a half an hour, till I get aggravated and hang > up on my server... Hanging up seems to be the only way out.... > When I call back, I then have to: > > cat .addressbook >> .newaddressbook > cat .addressbook.lu >> .newaddressbook > > Then in my .pinerc file I change the addressbook to .newaddressbook. > > Even after doing so, I lose some address's in the process... There were some problems just like this with earlier versions of pine. What version are you using? If you're using 3.91 and seeing this problem, I'd very much like to understand why. If you're using 3.90, upgrade to 3.91. When it happens and you hang up, does it happen again when you log back in (without doing the cat..cat thing)? If so, stop at that point and send your .addressbook and .addressbook.lu to pine@cac.washington.edu as attachments. Describe what can be done to make the problem happen for you. And by the way, cat'ing the .addressbook and .addressbook.lu files together into the same file is guaranteed to cause some weirdness. Hard to believe it fixes anything. > Hopefully some one here can help, since after a few letters to them, they > have never even answered..... > Thanks in advance! > Chris Thanks, Steve Hubert Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 18 23:16:47 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03058; Mon, 18 Dec 95 23:16:47 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02282; Mon, 18 Dec 95 23:05:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from omjs04.muscat.geoquest.slb.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02276; Mon, 18 Dec 95 23:05:23 -0800 Received: from omjs04 (omjs04.muscat.geoquest.slb.com) by muscat.geoquest.slb.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18078; Tue, 19 Dec 95 11:07:47+040 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 11:07:34 +0400 (GMT+0400) From: "Samir Arora - Systems Support OSG ,Muscat" X-Sender: samir@omjs04 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Moving messages to the desired folder automatically after they are read Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello There, Is there is any way in Pine by which we can set up the system.so that the mail messages which are already read from INBOX folder move to some other folder automatically. Like in VMS mail systems.whenever you read any mail message from NEWMAIL folder it automatically moves into MAIL folder if you don't specify any folder where it has to be moved. Is there is something has to be set up in UNIX mails (Some filters or some extra process to be run ) so that the new mails which are read are moved automatically to some folder (say read-mail folder) I will summarize. Thanks and regards Samir ***************************************************************************************** Samir Arora Ph: 968 562522 Geoquest, fax : 968 562329 Schlumberger Overseas S.A. Decnet: OMJ::ARORA PO 2548 Postal Code 112 Internet:samir@muscat.geoquest.slb.com Ruwi,Sulatante of Oman ****************************************************************************************** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 19 00:12:36 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03992; Tue, 19 Dec 95 00:12:36 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03239; Tue, 19 Dec 95 00:09:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03233; Tue, 19 Dec 95 00:09:04 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tRx3U-00038EC; Tue, 19 Dec 95 00:05 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) Subject: Re: Supressing Address Lists? Date: 18 Dec 1995 20:25:32 GMT Message-Id: <4b4int$jju@news.orst.edu> References: <4ans5o$put@nntp.interaccess.com> <4apvc3$ki2@news.orst.edu> <4b307t$g5g@nntp.interaccess.com> In article <4b307t$g5g@nntp.interaccess.com>, Richard E. Freeman wrote: >John Stanley (stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU) wrote: > >: A better way of running an email list is to create an alias that has >: all the names, in a file which the list manager can edit. Then you >: simply send the mail to that alias. Nobody sees anyone else's address, >: all they see is the list address. > >Sounds good but could you be a little more specific? What do >you mean "send the mail to that alias"? I can handle creating an alias >file full of addresses, but I'm not clear where to go from there. 1. In the system aliases file, have your admin create the following entries: listname: :include:/some/file/you/can/edit owner-listname: your@address listname-request: your@address 2. In the file /some/file/you/can/edit, put all the addresses you want on your list. 3. Send your mail to listname. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 19 00:34:58 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04434; Tue, 19 Dec 95 00:34:58 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05611; Tue, 19 Dec 95 00:29:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05605; Tue, 19 Dec 95 00:29:16 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tRxPC-00038HC; Tue, 19 Dec 95 00:28 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sinners@netcom.com (Steve Inners) Subject: Re: Supressing Address Lists? Message-Id: References: <4ans5o$put@nntp.interaccess.com> <4apvc3$ki2@news.orst.edu> <4b307t$g5g@nntp.interaccess.com> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 15:15:38 GMT Richard E. Freeman (rfreeman@flowbee.interaccess.com) wrote: : John Stanley (stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU) wrote: : : A better way of running an email list is to create an alias that has : : all the names, in a file which the list manager can edit. Then you : : simply send the mail to that alias. Nobody sees anyone else's address, : : all they see is the list address. : Sounds good but could you be a little more specific? What do : you mean "send the mail to that alias"? I can handle creating an alias : file full of addresses, but I'm not clear where to go from there. I have found that certain transport agents have a limitation on the number of addresses that can be allocated to a specific alias. What I have done in the past to work around this problem is to create an alias that contains aother aliases in it: much like this: denver: jpublic@den.edu, qpublic@den.edu, simth@den.edu sanfran: qwerty@sf.edu, poiuyt@sf.edu all: denver, sanfran Assume that the lists are too long for the transport agent ... the alias "all" avoids the problem by creating a manageable list of other aliases. Address resolution still occurs and the "To:" field contains only the address "all" .... Of course these aliases are created behind PINE in the o/s' level of the mail program. If you do not have access to this level, you would have to discuss it with your system administrator. -- -Steve sinners@netcom.com ################################################### I brew, therefore I am. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 19 01:28:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05773; Tue, 19 Dec 95 01:28:42 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04133; Tue, 19 Dec 95 01:11:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04121; Tue, 19 Dec 95 01:11:37 -0800 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 19 Dec 1995 09:05:51 +0000 Received: by tower.york.ac.uk (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/940406.SGI) id IAA26056; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 08:58:06 GMT Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 08:58:06 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Brudenell To: "Samir Arora - Systems Support OSG ,Muscat" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Moving messages to the desired folder automatically after they are read In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 19 Dec 1995, Samir Arora - Systems Support OSG ,Muscat wrote: > Is there is any way in Pine by which we can set up the system.so that the > mail messages which are already read from INBOX folder move to some other > folder automatically. Like in VMS mail systems.whenever you read any mail > message from NEWMAIL folder it automatically moves into MAIL folder > if you don't specify any folder where it has to be moved. Yes, you can do this within Pine. In fact if you look in the Setup Configuration screen (S then C from the Main Menu of Pine 3.91) it is pretty obvious which settings affect this (and there is also built-in help too!)... 1. Set up a folder name for the "read-message-folder" value. When you quit Pine it will then ask you if you want read messages moving into this folder. If you just want it to do the move without asking you look further down the list of settings and... 2. Select the "auto-move-read-msgs" feature. > Is there is something has to be set up in UNIX mails (Some filters or > some extra process to be run ) so that the new mails which are read are > moved automatically to some folder (say read-mail folder) No, you don't need to run any extra filters or anything: Pine is quite capable of refiling mail messages you have read to a different folder. Where some people often fall down is expecting Pine to be able to file new messages *as they arrive* into different folders. This it cannot do: Pine is a mail reader for reading messages *after* they have been delivered into folders. The mail delivery software (usually "sendmail" on UNIX systems) must instead be persuaded to deliver arriving messages into appropriate folders. This is where filters, etc, are needed. Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Tel: +44-1904-433811 FAX: +44-1904-433740 http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 19 01:39:11 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06272; Tue, 19 Dec 95 01:39:11 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06579; Tue, 19 Dec 95 01:34:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06573; Tue, 19 Dec 95 01:34:19 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tRyQ6-00038HC; Tue, 19 Dec 95 01:33 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Uncle Tim Subject: Pine and NEWS: posting reply AND sending email to the person who posted the message Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 23:56:53 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I use PINE to read USENET newsgroups and often want to 'reply' (to the original poster) and 'followup' (to the newsgroup). I've been doing this by highlighting the email address, selecting 'followup to newsgroup' and putting the email address in the BCC line (so it shows up correctly in the USENET news listing). is there any easier way to do this in PINE? TjL -- Timothy J. Luoma luomat@capitalist.princeton.edu At 6:06pm EST on Dec 11, 1995 Nicholas Anthony Aiello (son of my sister and brother-in-law) entered the world 8 pounds, 13oz, making me an uncle for the first time. 8^) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 19 01:51:26 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06450; Tue, 19 Dec 95 01:51:26 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04428; Tue, 19 Dec 95 01:34:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04422; Tue, 19 Dec 95 01:34:16 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tRyQ6-00038EC; Tue, 19 Dec 95 01:33 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Uncle Tim Subject: Re: Posting to News via PINE Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 23:52:57 -0500 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Sat, 16 Dec 1995, Floyd Diebel wrote: > is it possible to post from pine to the local news spool > (/var/spool/news, not via NNTP)? i have pine set up to read news from > the local spool fine, but posting demands "NNTP Server Must be Defined". Hmm... have you tried setting it to 'localhost' and seeing what that does? I've no idea if it will work, but it might be worth a try. TjL -- Timothy J. Luoma luomat@capitalist.princeton.edu At 6:06pm EST on Dec 11, 1995 Nicholas Anthony Aiello (son of my sister and brother-in-law) entered the world 8 pounds, 13oz, making me an uncle for the first time. 8^) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 19 02:10:43 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06864; Tue, 19 Dec 95 02:10:43 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04833; Tue, 19 Dec 95 02:04:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04827; Tue, 19 Dec 95 02:04:20 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tRyu1-00038EC; Tue, 19 Dec 95 02:04 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rick@helix.nih.gov (Rick Troxel) Subject: Re: Potential security problems in pine 3.87 In-Reply-To: jordir@lasole.upc.es's message of 18 Dec 1995 10: 19:17 GMT Message-Id: References: <4b3f75$28q@diable.upc.es> Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 02:32:31 GMT In article <4b3f75$28q@diable.upc.es> jordir@lasole.upc.es (Jordi Renye) writes: - Is there any known security bugs in this version of pine? I too would recommend searching the newsgroup archives. The only security issue mention of which I seem to recall seeing is system(3) calls in which the called utilities lack full pathnames, making the caller vulnerable to trojan horse utilities. Of course, pine would not be the only potential victim of such trojans. This is not limited to v3.87. Best regards, -- Rick Troxel Rick_Troxel@nih.gov rick@helix.nih.gov 301/496-4824 /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// All effort and exertion put forth by man from the fullness of his heart is worship, if it is prompted by the highest motives and the will to do service to humanity. --Abdu'l-Baha From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 19 12:37:10 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27594; Tue, 19 Dec 95 12:37:10 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18029; Tue, 19 Dec 95 12:30:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18023; Tue, 19 Dec 95 12:30:33 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tS8bt-00038EC; Tue, 19 Dec 95 12:26 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Edward H Fenster Subject: Holding a Mailbox Key Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 15:10:27 +0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have a quick questions about Pine, if somewhat could answer for me I'd be very grateful: Is it possible to instruct PC-PINE or (esp.) UNIX-PINE *not* to give up the mailbox lock when another application asks for it? I use this program that checks every minute and a half to see if I have mail, and when it does so, it makes my PINE session read-only. Pine therefore can't save flags (deleted, important, answered, etc.). Although I can usually remember to close it when I am using my PC, it is most annoying when I use UNIX-PINE remotely and the program (on my PC) rudely glabs the key. If you reply after noon on Wednesday (est), if you could e-mail me the response at ed@jhu.edu, I'd appreciate it, because I leave for break at 1pm Wednesday (est) not to return until Jan 18 by which time I think my newsfeed will no longer contain the response, by then a month-old. Thanks again!!! - Edward From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 19 14:50:24 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03824; Tue, 19 Dec 95 14:50:24 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23565; Tue, 19 Dec 95 14:45:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23557; Tue, 19 Dec 95 14:45:47 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tSAmg-00038EC; Tue, 19 Dec 95 14:45 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: luc@alpha.et.tudelft.nl (Luc I. Suryo) Subject: Xbiff and IMAP server. Date: 19 Dec 1995 10:26:22 GMT Message-Id: <4b640e$aii@mo6.rc.tudelft.nl> Hi, Does someone there know a replacement (patch) for Xbiff so it will work with a IMAP server? Thnx Luc From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 19 19:43:51 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15502; Tue, 19 Dec 95 19:43:51 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28902; Tue, 19 Dec 95 19:36:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28896; Tue, 19 Dec 95 19:36:40 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tSFId-00038EC; Tue, 19 Dec 95 19:34 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jcjb@mole.bio.cam.ac.uk (Jenny Barna) Subject: runaway pine processes eat cpu Date: 19 Dec 1995 11:47:39 GMT Message-Id: <4b68or$5e@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> We have occasional problems with pine 3.89 on IRIX 5.2 where users' PCs etc hang while in a pine session. Later, the sysadmin notices pine processes consuming vast amounts of cpu. From the users' points of view there are no errors and when they login again they innocently start a new pine process. It is possible this is not a pine-specific problem as occasionally other programs produce runaway processes. I note that we had to alter two routines when compiling pine on this system viz in ttyin and ttyout termname was not used but was replaced by mytermname to avoid a clash. I previously had pine (3.87?) installed on a SunOS 4 machine without noticing this problem. Again, this may be fortuitous. I have a suspicion that the problem we are seeing now is very much associated with terminal input. Has anyone any idea what to do about this, including possibly a suitable process-killing daemon or else code alterations? Thank you! -- Jenny Barna | Internet J.C.J.Barna@bioc.cam.ac.uk Department of Biochemistry | Telephone (Office) +44 1223 333596 Tennis Court Road | FAX (Dept) +44 1223 333345 Cambridge, CB2 1QW, UK | Telephone (Dept) +44 1223 333600 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 19 19:48:04 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15582; Tue, 19 Dec 95 19:48:04 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01272; Tue, 19 Dec 95 19:41:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01266; Tue, 19 Dec 95 19:41:21 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tSFKq-00038EC; Tue, 19 Dec 95 19:36 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ghhawk@gate.net (Glenn Hawkins) Subject: Return to Sender - How ? Date: 10 Dec 1995 19:13:17 GMT Message-Id: Just as one can create a ".forward" file to auto-forward ones e-mail to another address, can one create a ".retrun-to-sender" file to auto-return unwanted e-mail from a specific e-mail addressee? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 19 19:48:11 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15606; Tue, 19 Dec 95 19:48:11 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29009; Tue, 19 Dec 95 19:41:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29003; Tue, 19 Dec 95 19:41:23 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tSFKq-00038HC; Tue, 19 Dec 95 19:36 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Eric Tse Subject: Re: Attach plain-text files *without* MIME encoding? Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 23:11:06 GMT Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII References: Mime-Version: 1.0 On Mon, 11 Dec 1995, Richard M. Weinapple wrote: > Is there any way to get Unix Pine to attach plain-text ASCII > files *without* encoding them in MIME format? My recipients > are on Compuserve, and apparently their mailreaders don't > know how to decode the MIME-encoded attachments. I haven't > been able to figure out how to convince Pine *not* to encode > the attachments. How about importing the plain text file directly into your e-mail body? To do so, press ^R when you're composing an e-mail while the cursor is in the body of the message (not in any of the header fields). Then enter the name of the plain text file you want to import. JY From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 19 20:43:32 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16838; Tue, 19 Dec 95 20:43:32 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02206; Tue, 19 Dec 95 20:36:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02199; Tue, 19 Dec 95 20:36:30 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tSGE0-00038EC; Tue, 19 Dec 95 20:33 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Miikka Kokkonen Subject: Re: Moving messages to the desired folder automatically after they are read Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 10:00:02 +0200 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: > Is there is any way in Pine by which we can set up the system.so that the > mail messages which are already read from INBOX folder move to some other > folder automatically. Like in VMS mail systems.whenever you read any mail > message from NEWMAIL folder it automatically moves into MAIL folder > if you don't specify any folder where it has to be moved. Setup the following: read-messages-folder auto-move-read-messages This should help you -- Miikka Kokkonen Tampere Institute of Technology, Finland My Homepage URL: http://www.tit.fi/~eemiko/ "The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 19 21:08:02 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17342; Tue, 19 Dec 95 21:08:02 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00445; Tue, 19 Dec 95 20:56:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00439; Tue, 19 Dec 95 20:56:30 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tSGYk-00038EC; Tue, 19 Dec 95 20:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mag@nexus.yorku.ca (Michael Gilbert) Subject: Selecting Test in Pine Date: 20 Dec 95 04:11:09 GMT Message-Id: Please: I have read the man, tried the ?, and the snwer lies not therein. The version of pine I am using does not tell one how to select a block of text. the oly command for deleting texct is ^k whoch works on one line at a time. Very slow. Other versions have marking and selecting abilities. I suspect my version has the abilaity, but not the instructions. What is the standard command for marking text for deletion.since this is such an elementary [not to menetion embarrassingly stupid] question, email replies would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Yours, Michael A. Gilbert -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Best Email Address: gilbert@yorku.ca Department of Philosophy, York University 4700 Keele Street, Toronto, CANADA M3J 1P3 416 - 736-5113 fax: 416 - 736-5735 ____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 19 21:12:29 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17472; Tue, 19 Dec 95 21:12:29 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00499; Tue, 19 Dec 95 20:59:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from argus.expec.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00493; Tue, 19 Dec 95 20:59:18 -0800 Received: by argus.expec.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19391; Wed, 20 Dec 95 07:56:41+030 Received: from janus07.expec.com(193.188.31.7) by argus.expec.com via smap (V1.3) id sma019388; Wed Dec 20 07:56:25 1995 Received: by janus07.expec.com.expec.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04844; Wed, 20 Dec 95 07:59:19+030 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 07:59:19 +0300 (GMT+0300) From: Anthony Sirtautas To: Glenn Hawkins Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Return to Sender - How ? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Organization: Saudi Aramco Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have seen a large number of questions having to do with the routing of mail. The best way to handle this is to use "procmail". __(__)__ ---oO0-- @ @ --0Oo--- [] ...Tony Sirtautas :-) \____/ Anthony A. Sirtautas Saudi Aramco Box 8152 Dhahran 31311 Saudi Arabia Phone: 966-3-873-2883 (WORK) 966-3-878-5647 (HOME) EMail: eaeaas@expec.com On 10 Dec 1995, Glenn Hawkins wrote: > Just as one can create a ".forward" file to auto-forward ones e-mail to > another address, can one create a ".retrun-to-sender" file to auto-return > unwanted e-mail from a specific e-mail addressee? > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 20 01:22:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22979; Wed, 20 Dec 95 01:22:54 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04531; Wed, 20 Dec 95 01:17:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04521; Wed, 20 Dec 95 01:17:25 -0800 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 20 Dec 1995 09:15:57 +0000 Received: by tower.york.ac.uk (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/940406.SGI) id JAA02465; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 09:12:50 GMT Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 09:12:50 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Brudenell To: Jenny Barna Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: runaway pine processes eat cpu In-Reply-To: <4b68or$5e@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 19 Dec 1995, Jenny Barna wrote: > We have occasional problems with pine 3.89 on IRIX 5.2 where users' > PCs etc hang while in a pine session. Later, the sysadmin notices > pine processes consuming vast amounts of cpu. ... [SNIP!] ... > Has anyone any idea what to do about this, including > possibly a suitable process-killing daemon or else code alterations? Sure thing... try upgrading to the current version of Pine! We, too, had the occasional problem with runaway Pine 3.89 sessions. The problem, as far as I recall, was a small bug in the C-client library of routines (the problem also affected imapd's as well I think). However, after Piune 3.89 came 3.90, followed by the current 3.91. Indeed, this has been around for a _long_ time now (a year or so) and is well worth the upgrade. Cheers, Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Tel: +44-1904-433811 FAX: +44-1904-433740 http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 20 02:18:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24566; Wed, 20 Dec 95 02:18:42 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07483; Wed, 20 Dec 95 02:12:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07477; Wed, 20 Dec 95 02:12:07 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tSLTc-00038EC; Wed, 20 Dec 95 02:10 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: kathleen richards Subject: Re: Bcc Date: 12 Dec 1995 00:40:05 -0700 Message-Id: <4ajbkl$ju3@nntp3.news.primenet.com> References: <4a96vp$126@piston.ecp.fr> Bartman wrote: : How can I make a blank carbon copy with Pine ? Go up into the header area with the arrow keys, do a ctrl-R (for "rich header" or some such) and the Bcc: willappear. Just fill in the address you want the blind carbon copy to go to on that line. -- kilty@primenet.com kathleen richards ~Don't you worry, about a thing, cause every little thing is gonna be alright ...~ Bob Marley From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 20 02:36:15 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25186; Wed, 20 Dec 95 02:36:15 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05572; Wed, 20 Dec 95 02:27:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05566; Wed, 20 Dec 95 02:27:08 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tSLjA-00038EC; Wed, 20 Dec 95 02:26 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: oconnort@acf2.nyu.edu (Tim O'Connor) Subject: Pine 3.91 + Check Quotas + Digital Unix Date: 20 Dec 1995 05:37:45 GMT Message-Id: <4b87f9$fu0@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> We are running Pine 3.91, compiled to check quotas, and compiled separately on our Ultrix and OSF/1 (Digital Unix) systems. (That is, we recompiled it separately for Digital Unix rather than use DEC's tool to mutate an Ultrix binary into an OSF/1 binary.) Pine is configured (in pine.conf.fixed) to automatically move read mail from the /usr/spool/mail/USERNAME file to the user's "saved-messages" folder when the user exits. When we first deployed the 3.91 release, we tested how it behaved under an out-of-space condition in the user's $HOME/mail directory. As expected, we found that it did not remove the mail from the INBOX when the user had insufficient space on the device that held the "saved-messages" folder. That is, the "check quota" mechanism worked perfectly. Since that initial series of tests, however, we have migrated a couple of our systems from Ultrix to Digital Unix, with $HOME directories living on DEC's advfs partitions rather than ufs. We have found that Pine does not appear to properly check the disk quota when the user's home directory is in an advfs (Digital's Advanced Filesystem) partition. The results appear to be as follows: * quit Pine, and attempt to move read mail to "saved-messages" * check quota on $HOME/mail device, but (apparently) ignore the results * delete mail from INBOX * try to write to "saved-messages" * if user is at or above quota on $HOME/mail device, vaporize mail Has anyone seen this in action? Is there some additional information I could provide that would make this report more clear? I see the following in pine/osdep: diskquot diskquot.hpp diskquot.ptx diskquot.sun diskquot.a32 diskquot.non diskquot.sgi diskquot.sv4 None appears to be relevant to Digital's advfs, though. Or is there some other approach we might take? Happy holidays from snowy New York, with all thanks in advance! --tim o'connor +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Tim O'Connor oconnort@nyu.edu NYU Academic Computing Facility Phone: (212) 998-3024 System & Network Security Manager Fax: (212) 995-4120 251 Mercer St., New York, NY 10012 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 20 03:14:41 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26828; Wed, 20 Dec 95 03:14:41 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08371; Wed, 20 Dec 95 03:02:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08365; Wed, 20 Dec 95 03:02:57 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tSMCz-00038EC; Wed, 20 Dec 95 02:57 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: xiaomin@yorku.ca (Xiaomin Dong) Subject: sent-mail folder Date: 19 Dec 1995 18:03:46 GMT Message-Id: <4b6uq2$g5i@sunburst.ccs.yorku.ca> -- Do you know how I can tell pine not to save copies of the mail messages I send? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 20 05:09:30 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00680; Wed, 20 Dec 95 05:09:30 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08253; Wed, 20 Dec 95 05:02:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08245; Wed, 20 Dec 95 05:02:27 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tSO8W-00038EC; Wed, 20 Dec 95 05:00 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Alessandro Miotto Subject: Re: runaway pine processes eat cpu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <30D7F5FF.3EC2@mail.cern.ch> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <4b68or$5e@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 11:39:44 GMT Mike Brudenell wrote: > > On 19 Dec 1995, Jenny Barna wrote: > > > We have occasional problems with pine 3.89 on IRIX 5.2 where users' > > PCs etc hang while in a pine session. Later, the sysadmin notices > > pine processes consuming vast amounts of cpu. > ... [SNIP!] ... > > Has anyone any idea what to do about this, including > > possibly a suitable process-killing daemon or else code alterations? > > Sure thing... try upgrading to the current version of Pine! Nice attempt, but the same happens in pine 3.91 and also in a lot of X11 programs. The problem is a select call returning data present in a socket, and the following read call returning 0 bytes read and no error. The program continues ad libitum in this loop. Alessandro --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Alessandro Miotto - CN/DCI/UES | Tel: +41 22 767 9576 CERN - European Laboratory | Fax: +41 22 767 7155 for Particle Physics | E-mail: miotto@mail.cern.ch CH-1211 Geneve 23 | From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 20 05:46:58 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01882; Wed, 20 Dec 95 05:46:58 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10893; Wed, 20 Dec 95 05:37:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10887; Wed, 20 Dec 95 05:37:31 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tSOgT-00038EC; Wed, 20 Dec 95 05:35 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mraaum@evo.uio.no (Margrete Raaum) Subject: Re: Error message 441? Date: 20 Dec 1995 08:03:36 GMT Message-Id: <4b8g0o$qgm@ratatosk.uio.no> References: <4ap6g1$snd@aggedor.rmit.edu.au> <4b787p$fju@zippy.cais.net> In article <4b787p$fju@zippy.cais.net>, idoh@cais.com (Haisam K. Ido ) writes: >Barbara Ann Romeril (s847291@minyos.xx.rmit.EDU.AU) wrote: >: A friend of mine is using Pine as a newsreader as well as for mail. >: Whenever she attempts to post a message to a newsgroup she gets `error >: message 441 what server' and is unable to complete the post. > >Perhaps she needs to set up the nntp server's name such as news.*.* in >setup or in the .pinerc file 441 is a "posting-failed"-message from the server. It turned out to be a server-problem. Mrg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 20 06:22:10 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02487; Wed, 20 Dec 95 06:22:10 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11358; Wed, 20 Dec 95 06:09:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11352; Wed, 20 Dec 95 06:09:41 -0800 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 20 Dec 1995 14:08:19 +0000 Received: by tower.york.ac.uk (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/940406.SGI) id OAA06587; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 14:09:39 GMT Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 14:09:39 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Brudenell To: Alessandro Miotto Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: runaway pine processes eat cpu In-Reply-To: <30D7F5FF.3EC2@mail.cern.ch> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII It was a nicer try than you seem to think... although we were getting 3 or 4 runaway Pine 3.89 processes a week, I don't think we've seen a single Pine 3.91 runaway over the year or so we've had it. Could be difference in platforms, could just be luck? Cheers, Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Tel: +44-1904-433811 FAX: +44-1904-433740 http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/ On Wed, 20 Dec 1995, Alessandro Miotto wrote: > Mike Brudenell wrote: > > > > On 19 Dec 1995, Jenny Barna wrote: > > > > > We have occasional problems with pine 3.89 on IRIX 5.2 where users' > > > PCs etc hang while in a pine session. Later, the sysadmin notices > > > pine processes consuming vast amounts of cpu. > > ... [SNIP!] ... > > > Has anyone any idea what to do about this, including > > > possibly a suitable process-killing daemon or else code alterations? > > > > Sure thing... try upgrading to the current version of Pine! > > Nice attempt, but the same happens in pine 3.91 and also in a lot of X11 programs. > The problem is a select call returning data present in a socket, and the following > read call returning 0 bytes read and no error. The program continues ad libitum > in this loop. > > Alessandro > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Alessandro Miotto - CN/DCI/UES | Tel: +41 22 767 9576 > CERN - European Laboratory | Fax: +41 22 767 7155 > for Particle Physics | E-mail: miotto@mail.cern.ch > CH-1211 Geneve 23 | > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 20 08:00:10 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05021; Wed, 20 Dec 95 08:00:10 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12930; Wed, 20 Dec 95 07:53:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from offsv1.cis.McMaster.CA by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12924; Wed, 20 Dec 95 07:53:10 -0800 Received: (from cseeley@localhost) by offsv1.CIS.McMaster.CA (8.7.1/8.7.1) id KAA17403; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 10:49:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 10:49:19 -0500 (EST) From: Carolynn Seeley To: Mike Brudenell Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: runaway pine processes eat cpu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Does anyone have a fix for this problem? We have upgraded to PINE 3.91 from 3.89 on one system and 3.88 on another. The Solaris is the one exhibiting this SAME problem. Unfortunately, it shoots our load average up and then the system refuses access to PoP mailers. Argh. BIG headaches. Can anyone help me or suggest something? On Wed, 20 Dec 1995, Mike Brudenell wrote: > On 19 Dec 1995, Jenny Barna wrote: > > > We have occasional problems with pine 3.89 on IRIX 5.2 where users' > > PCs etc hang while in a pine session. Later, the sysadmin notices > > pine processes consuming vast amounts of cpu. > ... [SNIP!] ... > > Has anyone any idea what to do about this, including > > possibly a suitable process-killing daemon or else code alterations? > > > We, too, had the occasional problem with runaway Pine 3.89 sessions. The > problem, as far as I recall, was a small bug in the C-client library of > routines (the problem also affected imapd's as well I think). > > Cheers, > > Mike Brudenell > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK > Tel: +44-1904-433811 FAX: +44-1904-433740 http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carolynn Seeley email: seeley@mcmaster.ca Consultant, Office Systems Support cseeley@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca PINE Administrator Computing and Information Services McMaster University, ABB-132 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 20 08:09:53 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05327; Wed, 20 Dec 95 08:09:53 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10904; Wed, 20 Dec 95 07:57:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10898; Wed, 20 Dec 95 07:57:49 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tSQrw-00038EC; Wed, 20 Dec 95 07:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: johng@ncoast.org (John Gilbertson) Subject: Pine Info Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 23:55:31 GMT Message-Id: I have just picked up Pine 3.89 and have it running on the AIX4.1 system at work. I see references here for a 3.91 version and am curious where I can go to pick up the patch, or even better if the appropriate patches can be emailed to me. TIA John -- +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | o | John Gilbertson johng@ncoast.org | o | | o | Lake Erie Screw Corporation johng56263@aol.com | o | | o | Cleveland, Ohio 44107 fj059@cleveland.freenet.edu | o | From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 20 08:59:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07002; Wed, 20 Dec 95 08:59:06 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12218; Wed, 20 Dec 95 08:53:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12212; Wed, 20 Dec 95 08:53:02 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tSRhF-00038HC; Wed, 20 Dec 95 08:48 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: idoh@cais.com (Haisam K. Ido ) Subject: PINE and reply-to address Date: 19 Dec 1995 20:43:11 GMT Message-Id: <4b784v$fju@zippy.cais.net> Is there a way to explicitly define a reply-to address in PINE? Please e-mail me, I don't always read this group. thanks, Haisam From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 20 08:59:15 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07029; Wed, 20 Dec 95 08:59:15 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14311; Wed, 20 Dec 95 08:53:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14305; Wed, 20 Dec 95 08:53:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tSRhF-00038EC; Wed, 20 Dec 95 08:48 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: idoh@cais.com (Haisam K. Ido ) Subject: Re: Error message 441? Date: 19 Dec 1995 20:44:41 GMT Message-Id: <4b787p$fju@zippy.cais.net> References: <4ap6g1$snd@aggedor.rmit.EDU.AU> Barbara Ann Romeril (s847291@minyos.xx.rmit.EDU.AU) wrote: : A friend of mine is using Pine as a newsreader as well as for mail. : Whenever she attempts to post a message to a newsgroup she gets `error : message 441 what server' and is unable to complete the post. Perhaps she needs to set up the nntp server's name such as news.*.* in setup or in the .pinerc file : : Can anyone here interpret this message and suggest a solution. : : Thanks in advance. : : Barbara Romeril s847291@minyos.xx.rmit.edu.au -- +-------------------------------------------------+ Haisam K. Ido +-------------------------------------------------+ * ___ __ ___ ___ * * __ \ |__| \ \ | __|___\ \ \ / \| ___/ ___/\___/\___|___ | |__/ \___/\___/\__\__// * * | * * +-------------------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 20 10:45:15 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13137; Wed, 20 Dec 95 10:45:15 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17827; Wed, 20 Dec 95 10:38:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17821; Wed, 20 Dec 95 10:38:04 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tSTNH-00038EC; Wed, 20 Dec 95 10:36 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ws@xivic.ruhr.de (Wolfgang Schelongowski) Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 19 Dec 1995 18:38:49 +0100 Message-Id: <4b6tb9$iic@xivic.ruhr.de> References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> <4amijh$5l@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> <4anac8$ch4@news.orst.edu> <4aqfim$bae@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> <4asep3$qe8@news.orst.edu> <4b0pij$rm9@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In <4b0pij$rm9@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> Lloyd Wood writes: >Any integrated mail agent/newsreader ought to. Shouldn't exist. Confuses it's users. >Usenet and email are converging. "Should NEVER have done." -- Wolfgang Schelongowski ws@xivic.ruhr.de The public would say, "Who, _me_? Make a mistake? Me, the _voter_?" -- P.J. O'Rourke, Protectors of a Blameless Citizenry From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 20 11:13:00 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14315; Wed, 20 Dec 95 11:13:00 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16544; Wed, 20 Dec 95 11:08:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16538; Wed, 20 Dec 95 11:08:16 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tSTor-00038EC; Wed, 20 Dec 95 11:04 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pegboy@gti.gti.net (++ Pegboy ++) Subject: Re: Resetting addressbook? Date: 19 Dec 1995 13:28:14 -0500 Message-Id: <4b707u$3ib@gti.gti.net> References: <4anjjm$86v@gti.gti.net> : There were some problems just like this with earlier versions of pine. : What version are you using? If you're using 3.91 and seeing this problem, : I'd very much like to understand why. If you're using 3.90, upgrade to : 3.91. When it happens and you hang up, does it happen again when you log : back in (without doing the cat..cat thing)? If so, stop at that point and : send your .addressbook and .addressbook.lu to pine@cac.washington.edu as : attachments. Describe what can be done to make the problem happen for : you. *** The server, gti.net, uses 3.90, but getting them to upgrade would probably be next to impossible, since they didn't even answer my mail directly to them about this problem.... in other words, I don't think they care... but, it can't hurt to ask (I hope). Yes, it does do it after I call back, and just keeps doing the same thing over and over.... : And by the way, cat'ing the .addressbook and .addressbook.lu files : together into the same file is guaranteed to cause some weirdness. Hard : to believe it fixes anything. ********* It does work to a point, but I do have to fix it a bit afterwards. Now, I just have backups of the .add and the .add.lu, so when it occurs, I just delete it and put the backup in.... : Thanks, : Steve Hubert : Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle ******** Thanks for the help Steve! Chris -- pegboy@gti.net # pbm@grex.cyberspace.org # http://www.gti.net/pegboy pbmax@ungabunga.com # pegboy@m-net.arbornet.org # yeah, dats it! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 20 12:34:08 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18437; Wed, 20 Dec 95 12:34:08 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21156; Wed, 20 Dec 95 12:29:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21150; Wed, 20 Dec 95 12:29:31 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tSV55-00038EC; Wed, 20 Dec 95 12:25 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mmatthew@fast.net (Michael J Matthews) Subject: Re: Pine, rimapd, and UnixWare... Date: 19 Dec 1995 22:25:13 GMT Message-Id: <4b7e49$d3b@nn.fast.net> References: <4a6hrp$18c@news.ysu.edu> <4b17fo$ptn@news.ysu.edu> In article <4b17fo$ptn@news.ysu.edu>, Barry Bouwsma wrote: > >On 7 Dec 1995, Barry Bouwsma wrote: > >> I am attempting to use Pine3.91 for UnixWare, presumably obtained >> from the usle archives at ftp.novell.de or equivalent, as an IMAP and >> SMTP client program. This should be attempting to execute the command: >> rsh IMAPHOST exec /etc/rimapd > > Okay, so I'm still struggling with this, but with a little bit more >information so I've made a small bit of progress. > > Thanks to private e-mail from Mark Crispin, it was pointed out that >this UnixWare version (which I'm running on UnixWare1.1.4) is based on the >SV4 port of Pine. What that means is that the command it expects to find >to exec the /etc/rimapd, as defined in the c-client Makefile, is >/usr/bin/resh (remote shell, no doubt to differentiate from the restricted >shell which would be rsh), and not /usr/bin/rsh . SYSV remote shell used to be called remsh NOT resh. I guess that has been Berkleyized to rsh. I wonder what happened to SV restricted shell (rsh)? -- /*---------------------------------------------------*/ Michael J Matthews mmatthew@fast.net From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 20 13:27:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21185; Wed, 20 Dec 95 13:27:31 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20538; Wed, 20 Dec 95 13:23:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20530; Wed, 20 Dec 95 13:23:28 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tSVuO-00038HC; Wed, 20 Dec 95 13:18 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Jason Warren Subject: news article date sorting bug? Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 13:48:37 -0500 Message-Id: References: <4b6uq2$g5i@sunburst.ccs.yorku.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4b6uq2$g5i@sunburst.ccs.yorku.ca> I asked this before and nobody responded. I'm using pine on an RS/6000. When I display a list of articles in a newsgroup, the dates shown are not correctly sorted. There will be long runs of, say, Dec 15, then a Dec 3, then more Dec 15's... Has anyone else seen this on other platforms? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jason M. Warren | IBM Corp. MS P966 |External: jason@kgn.ibm.com 914-433-7125 | POWERparallel Systems |Internal: jason@bozo.kgn.ibm.com (T/L 293-) | Software System Test |VM: jwarren at kgnvmc Opinions herein | 522 South Rd. | are my own. | Poughkeepsie, NY 12601 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 20 13:27:37 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21200; Wed, 20 Dec 95 13:27:37 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22915; Wed, 20 Dec 95 13:23:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22903; Wed, 20 Dec 95 13:23:26 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tSVuN-00038EC; Wed, 20 Dec 95 13:18 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Dan \"Superdan\" Bailey" Subject: USENET & Pine Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 14:42:31 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am running Pine 3.91 on my ULTRIX account and have never had any problems with it. Until now. For some reason, it will not permanently add some newgroups nor permanently delete others. Anyone have any ideas on this? Thanks... -- Dan __ -=-=-=-=- |_/\ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- .--.\ \ Dan "The Danimal" Bailey ,-*---*_\/ Student, Soldier, Cyclist, Author, Freelance Thinker \_----_ )) superdan@krypton.mankato.msus.edu |c c )`| On IRC: KidBailey ___ /`._ / / Phone: (507)-389-5422 -==[___]\/| \/ `B-\/|_` ) Dan's Web Site from Hell: <'/||\`> http://att2.cs.mankato.msus.edu/~superdan/ __|::| (__.';| Caffeine is the basis for all life in the Universe. -=-=- (_) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 20 14:09:18 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23069; Wed, 20 Dec 95 14:09:18 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23932; Wed, 20 Dec 95 14:05:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from Farstar.secapl.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23909; Wed, 20 Dec 95 14:05:00 -0800 Received: from fozzie.secapl.com (Fozzie.secapl.com [192.131.46.3]) by Farstar.secapl.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA270428; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 15:58:41 -0600 Received: by fozzie.secapl.com id AA98252 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4); Wed, 20 Dec 1995 17:06:08 -0500 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 17:06:07 -0500 (EST) From: Tony Iannotti To: Jason Warren Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: news article date sorting bug? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 19 Dec 1995, Jason Warren wrote: > I asked this before and nobody responded. I'm using pine on an RS/6000. > When I display a list of articles in a newsgroup, the dates shown are > not correctly sorted. There will be long runs of, say, Dec 15, then > a Dec 3, then more Dec 15's... Has anyone else seen this on other > platforms? They may be sorted by arrival instead of date. You should be able to change this in the config screens. (Sort-Key) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 20 20:02:38 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06651; Wed, 20 Dec 95 20:02:38 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02485; Wed, 20 Dec 95 19:59:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02479; Wed, 20 Dec 95 19:59:10 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tSc9N-00038EC; Wed, 20 Dec 95 19:58 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rfreeman@flowbee.interaccess.com (Richard E. Freeman) Subject: Re: Supressing Address Lists? Date: 18 Dec 1995 06:03:41 GMT Message-Id: <4b307t$g5g@nntp.interaccess.com> References: <4ans5o$put@nntp.interaccess.com> <4apvc3$ki2@news.orst.edu> John Stanley (stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU) wrote: : A better way of running an email list is to create an alias that has : all the names, in a file which the list manager can edit. Then you : simply send the mail to that alias. Nobody sees anyone else's address, : all they see is the list address. Sounds good but could you be a little more specific? What do you mean "send the mail to that alias"? I can handle creating an alias file full of addresses, but I'm not clear where to go from there. -- Rich Freeman From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 21 00:30:58 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12339; Thu, 21 Dec 95 00:30:58 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04775; Thu, 21 Dec 95 00:24:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04769; Thu, 21 Dec 95 00:24:42 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tSgEP-00038EC; Thu, 21 Dec 95 00:20 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mraaum@evo.uio.no (Margrete Raaum) Subject: Re: accidental deletion Date: 20 Dec 1995 16:07:46 GMT Message-Id: <4b9cci$1l1@ratatosk.uio.no> References: In article , jnassis@shiva.hunter.cuny.edu writes: >Does anyone know if you can recover messages after you have deleted them >from read-messages? And if so, how do I do that? If you expunged it: backup. MRG ps. if you replied including the message, there could, of course be a copy in a sent-mail-folder :-) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 21 01:12:30 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13476; Thu, 21 Dec 95 01:12:30 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07141; Thu, 21 Dec 95 01:06:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07135; Thu, 21 Dec 95 01:06:02 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tSgrB-00038EC; Thu, 21 Dec 95 01:00 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Pine 3.91 + Check Quotas + Digital Unix Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 15:50:11 -0800 Message-Id: References: <4b87f9$fu0@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4b87f9$fu0@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> Hello. We believe that this problem is fixed in Pine 3.92. For the technically inclined: This problem occurs only on UNIX variants that return "partial success" from write() and writev() when a disk-full or quota-exceeded error is encountered. Digital Unix (OSF/1) and many System V systems are such variants. The mailbox writing code was written on (and originally ported to) UNIX variants (BSD) that guarantee that write() and writev() would only return partial success "when using non-blocking I/O on objects...that are subject to flow control", and in particular return an ENOSPC or EDQUOT error for disk-full or quota-exceeded conditions and leave the file pointer unchanged. The first System V port was done by someone who did not catch the difference in write() semantics, and thus we weren't aware of the problem until last May. Thus, the fix did not make it into Pine 3.91, which had been released half a year earlier. The fix is that all write() and writev() calls are coerced through an emulator (safe_write() and safe_writev()) which ensures the BSD semantics of "win" or "lose" with no "win but it hurts"... ;-) -- Mark -- DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 21 01:18:17 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13624; Thu, 21 Dec 95 01:18:17 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05451; Thu, 21 Dec 95 01:09:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05445; Thu, 21 Dec 95 01:09:47 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tSgwM-00038HC; Thu, 21 Dec 95 01:05 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: yincait@crash.cts.com (Brian Skowron) Subject: "AT&F"+return fails to correct repeat/missing lines in mail program Date: 14 Dec 1995 08:16:52 GMT Message-Id: <4aomhk$4fo@news3.cts.com> I use ZTerm 0.9 with a Practical Peripherals 14.4 MT II modem. This command corrected the missing lines/repeat lines condition, but does not work any more (?). Brian From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 21 01:51:47 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14646; Thu, 21 Dec 95 01:51:47 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07758; Thu, 21 Dec 95 01:44:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07752; Thu, 21 Dec 95 01:44:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tShUM-00038EC; Thu, 21 Dec 95 01:40 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: grobe@worf.netins.net (Jonathan Grobe) Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 14 Dec 1995 04:43:44 GMT Message-Id: <4aoa20$lls@insosf1.netins.net> References: <49vgqd$5h6@zuul.nmti.com> When is Pine 3.92 coming out? -- Jonathan Grobe From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 21 02:14:35 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15216; Thu, 21 Dec 95 02:14:35 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06125; Thu, 21 Dec 95 01:59:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06119; Thu, 21 Dec 95 01:59:53 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tShmD-00038HC; Thu, 21 Dec 95 01:59 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 15 Dec 1995 18:51:59 GMT Message-Id: <4asg4f$r4k@news.orst.edu> References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> <4akpjs$m5n@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> <4an9vp$cfo@news.orst.edu> <4aqghk$bae@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> In article <4aqghk$bae@info-server.surrey.ac.uk>, Lloyd Wood wrote: >stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) wrote: >>In article <4akpjs$m5n@info-server.surrey.ac.uk>, >>Lloyd Wood wrote: >>>Rahul Dhesi wrote: >>>>In all fairness, let's note that making it hard for you to duplicate >>>>via email a Usenet posting is desirable behavior. >>> >>>Is it? >> >>Yes. > >No. > >Scan some newsgroups, and make a note of the number of people who >request information by email. So? There will always be rude people who think newsgroups were created as their personal answer source, who can't imagine that anyone else might be interested in knowing the answer to the question they asked, or that might have a better answer or a correction to an answer that is wrong. That doesn't make dumping duplicate copies of articles into people's mailboxes because you are too lazy to notice that they weren't asked for correct behaviour. I suppose you can show me where I asked YOU to send ME copies of everything you post? No? Then why are you doing it? >Consider that Pine integrates mail and news; that Netscape does to. No, they have made an attempt at doing it, and they don't have the information they need to do it right. >If mail-and-post isn't desirable behaviour, why are so many people >adopting it? Because they are sheep? Because they think that, since their spiffy newsreader allows them to do it, it must be a spiffy thing to do? Or maybe they are just obnoxious twits who think they have the right to harass people by email. >>>What are current usenet propagation times around the planet? What >>>spool expiry settings are people using? >> >>Irrelevant. > >Very relevant - usenet has increased in volume rapidly, and it's >impossible to store threads long enough to make sense of them. So sending people a copy of one small piece of a thread is a solution? No, that's just plain stupid. >>No, letting people see the articles in news is a good way of informing >>people of your replies. > >If I see an article in news and respond to it, great. Yep, great. >If someone responds to me in news, I may miss it in our spool. I have That is your problem. Get a bigger spool. Get an agent that scans for news that you are interested in. I really don't care if you miss articles you are interested in, and SENDING ME A COPY OF YOUR ARTICLES isn't going to solve your problem. >If they respond by mail-and-post, I am much more likely to reply >and continue the thread. You can't "continue the thread" by replying to mail. There isn't sufficient information in a mail header to allow that. >Usenet's makeup has changed. There are more 'occasional' users; there's >more volume; there's less in the way of quoted material allowing you >to make sense of a thread in many groups. Mail-and-post can combat this. Mail-and-post don't combat anything. Mail-and-post is an abuse, especially when you have been told to stop. >>If they can't read news for that long, what makes you think they are >>reading their mail, either? > >Not 'can't' - won't. Ok, if they won't bother reading news, then so what if they miss it? That's part of life. Tough nooggies. That is their choice. >Home users may only access at weekends. So access more often. Christ almighty, people who CHOOSE not to read news shouldn't be the impetus behind how news is run. >With short spool settings, the >responses to their posted articles have already expired. Yes. So? If they cared about replies, they would read more often. >With mail-and-post, they're still in the loop. In a loop that they may not want to be in. And, in your example, a loop they have chosen not to be in. So, what you are saying is, "God damn it, you WILL see my reply even if you don't want to, because I think my reply is SO damned important I will send it to you personally, even when you tell me not to." >>And if the reason they stop reading news is >>because they lost interest, why do you think it is proper to dump copies >>of your articles into their mail? > >Posting an article indicates that you have an interest in the responses >to it. So you read news to see the responses. >Sending a copy by mail is courtesy - Right. >they're not going to have >to look for your reply - and it compensates for shorter and shorter >spool times as the usenet volume increases. You sending me a copy of your crap does nothing to solve your spool problems. Why do you think it does? Are you going to ask me to return copies of something you posted to you when they expire? Why not just keep your own copies of what you post, instead of demanding that I keep them for you? >In any case, it's easier for naive users to delete an email than to search >a newsgroup for articles of interest to them. So what? It is easier for a naive user to just not log in. Is that the proper solution? >>So what? References are supposed to expire. If you don't want the >>references to dissappear, save a copy. You not saving a copy of what you >>want to keep is not a reason to dump copies of news into other people's >>mailboxes. > >And as the references have expired, the single articles left make >no sense at all. But the single articles showing up in my mailbox from you are supposed to make sense. Right. >Usenet is in a sorry state indeed if or experience >is typical of news spools. It is in a sorry state when people post sentences like that. >I bow to your obviously intelligent and reasoned arguments. When you present something that shows what mail-and-post is proper behaviour, you have some right to make that statement. When you understand how news and mail works a little better, you can make that statement. When you think about the problems of combined news and mail a little more, you can make that statement. Until then, you are, as you yourself put it, "ho hum". Now, stop sending me copies of your articles by mail. Get a mailer that understands fatal response codes from the receiver. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 21 02:20:28 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15339; Thu, 21 Dec 95 02:20:28 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07957; Thu, 21 Dec 95 01:59:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07951; Thu, 21 Dec 95 01:59:54 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tShmE-00038IC; Thu, 21 Dec 95 01:59 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 15 Dec 1995 18:28:51 GMT Message-Id: <4asep3$qe8@news.orst.edu> References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> <4amijh$5l@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> <4anac8$ch4@news.orst.edu> <4aqfim$bae@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> In article <4aqfim$bae@info-server.surrey.ac.uk>, Lloyd Wood wrote: >stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) wrote: >>Let's see: I have an RFC 822 compliant mail reader. How is it supposed >>to know from RFC 822 headers that what you have just mailed me something >>that you also posted to news? > >How about the existence of a PATH header? Please read RFC 822 and show me where it defines the Path header. Please explain why an RFC-822 compliant mail agent is going to know about headers that are not defined for mail. Now please explain why, out of all of the pieces of crap people have thought it necessary to dump into my mailbox while they were posting, not a single one of them has had a Path header. No, "existence of Path" is not the answer, and if you thought about it for even half a second, you would know that. >A user mail agent that isn't a newsreader (sorry, 'user >news agent') can at least indicate to the header-impaired (i.e. 99.9% >of the people who have news and mail access) whether >a received mail is private (email) or public (mail-and-post). "User mail agents" don't know whether what they are seeing has been mailed or not. They can't possibly know, because there is no header which tells them that. Do you get particular delight out of abusing the technical terms like you do? >>It is not available to ANY mail agent, >>since there is NO defined header which indicates this information. > >In which case, define one. Call it 'Posted-To:'. Ho-hum, this is easy. Yes. It is so easy. What, exactly, does "Posted-To:" mean? When is it used? How is it used by a mail agent when creating a reply? What other headers need to be changed or created to allow "Posted-To:" to work? How does the agent keep track of whether a filed copy of something is mail or news or both? Have you bothered to think about any of this? No, apparently not. I have. That is why I have a proposed RFC already written. But it isn't an RFC yet, and you are speaking in the present tense. That means you think there is an answer NOW. Tell us all what the answer NOW is. Not what you think should be created. Until you can exhibit your present-day solution to support your present-day claims, ho-hum yourself. By the way, get a mailer that understands permanent failure result codes in SMTP. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 21 02:29:37 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15553; Thu, 21 Dec 95 02:29:37 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06374; Thu, 21 Dec 95 02:14:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06368; Thu, 21 Dec 95 02:14:54 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tSi10-00038HC; Thu, 21 Dec 95 02:14 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bri@ritz.mordor.com (Brian Shanblatt) Subject: attribution string Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 04:54:31 GMT Message-Id: hi! is there a way in pine to customize the attribution string on reply messages with the mail quoted? I want to change the default: On Dec xx, 1995, So and So wrote: Can this be done in pine? thanks! -- =========================================== bshan@yu1.yu.edu bri@ritz.mordor.com Brian Shanblatt From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 21 02:58:47 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15970; Thu, 21 Dec 95 02:58:47 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08573; Thu, 21 Dec 95 02:44:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08567; Thu, 21 Dec 95 02:44:57 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tSiTf-00038EC; Thu, 21 Dec 95 02:43 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 16:03:49 -0800 Message-Id: References: <49vgqd$5h6@zuul.nmti.com> <4ba0aj$n6d@huron.eel.ufl.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4ba0aj$n6d@huron.eel.ufl.edu> On 20 Dec 1995, Jeff Mercer wrote: > I personally and intending on altering the source for the implimentation of > PINE on Alachua Freenet so that Newsgroups: lines in the header of a mail > message are completely ignored, which is of course RFC compliant. If you do that, then users won't be able to post followups when they are reading news. The correct action is to anti-false the Newsgroups: header, which has been done in Pine 3.92. -- Mark -- DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 21 03:25:44 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16722; Thu, 21 Dec 95 03:25:44 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07156; Thu, 21 Dec 95 03:15:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07150; Thu, 21 Dec 95 03:15:01 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tSivF-00038EC; Thu, 21 Dec 95 03:12 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: riffer@freenet2.freenet.ufl.edu (Jeff Mercer) Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 21 Dec 1995 11:02:55 GMT Message-Id: <4bbesv$4ve@huron.eel.ufl.edu> Mark Crispin wrote: >On 20 Dec 1995, Jeff Mercer wrote: >>I personally and intending on altering the source for the implimentation of >>PINE on Alachua Freenet so that Newsgroups: lines in the header of a mail >>message are completely ignored, which is of course RFC compliant. >If you do that, then users won't be able to post followups when they are >reading news. As I said, I would alter PINE to ignore Newsgroups: lines in mail messages. Not in news messages. While it's not possible to detect if a message received in Email was also posted to a Usenet newsgroup, it's fairly simple for PINE to internally know if the user is reading a mail folder or a newsgroup. >The correct action is to anti-false the Newsgroups: header, which has been >done in Pine 3.92. Is this currently available? riffer@afn.org : All rumors are treason. Report rumors to The Computer. Jeff The Riffer : Drifter... : Homo Postmortemus : From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 21 03:38:47 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17046; Thu, 21 Dec 95 03:38:47 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09099; Thu, 21 Dec 95 03:25:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09093; Thu, 21 Dec 95 03:25:02 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tSj4O-00038EC; Thu, 21 Dec 95 03:21 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Steve Cobrin Subject: adding Reply-to field Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 05:10:30 -0600 Message-Id: <30D157A6.794B@garply.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I tried to add "Reply-to" to my default headers but I have to problems 1) the hyphen gets replaced by a space 2) The order I specify for the display of headers is ignored eg. > Reply To: > To : > Cc : > Subject : > ----- Message Text ----- > my config screen says > default-composer-hdrs = To: > Subject: > Cc: > Reply-to: > customized-hdrs = ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steve Cobrin cobrin@garply.com <-- email address at Net Results cobrin@highbury.demon.co.uk <-- old email address redirected to above ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 21 05:16:51 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19703; Thu, 21 Dec 95 05:16:51 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08911; Thu, 21 Dec 95 05:05:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08905; Thu, 21 Dec 95 05:05:16 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tSkde-00038EC; Thu, 21 Dec 95 05:02 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: showie@uoguelph.ca (Steve Howie) Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 14 Dec 1995 21:57:01 GMT Message-Id: <4aq6jd$rv7@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> References: <49vgqd$5h6@zuul.nmti.com> Tim Pierce (twpierce@midway.uchicago.edu) wrote: : In article , : Mark Crispin wrote: : : >This problem goes away with Pine 3.92 due to the anti-falsing code. : >... : >The problem is prevented if any of the three conditions above are absent. : >When Pine 3.92 comes out, there's a fourth: "User A is running an old : >version which lacks anti-falsing" ... : : "So fix tin, nn and the trn family!" -- Mark Crispin. : I have tried to reproduce the problem using Pine 3.91. I can't. 1. I Post using Tin. 2. A colleague replies to the posting and the reply gets sent to me. 3. I reply to this email message using Pine 3.91. 4. The email reply goes to the person in 2. 5. Nothing gets posted to the newsgroup. Am I missing something in this discussion? Or are you all talking about a different scenario? Scotty ================================================================= Steve Howie Email: showie@uoguelph.ca NetNews and Gopher Admin. Phone: (519) 824-4120 x2556 Computing and Communications Svcs. Fax: (519) 763-6143 University of Guelph If it's not Scottish its CRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPP ================================================================= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 21 05:23:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19894; Thu, 21 Dec 95 05:23:25 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10851; Thu, 21 Dec 95 05:10:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10845; Thu, 21 Dec 95 05:10:35 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tSkjH-00038EC; Thu, 21 Dec 95 05:08 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 21 Dec 1995 05:40:44 GMT Message-Id: <4bas0s$peh@hustle.rahul.net> References: <49vgqd$5h6@zuul.nmti.com> <4ba0aj$n6d@huron.eel.ufl.edu> In Mark Crispin writes: >On 20 Dec 1995, Jeff Mercer wrote: >> I [intend to alter source for pine] >> so that Newsgroups: lines in the header of a mail >> message are completely ignored... >If you do that, then users won't be able to post followups when they are >reading news. *Ack* News vs email confusion. The poster wants pine to ignore the Newsgroups header in email. Not in News. -- Rahul Dhesi == "...Mark Crispin has the good sense to not blather away in newsgroups..." -- Wayne Hathaway From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 21 06:44:56 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21569; Thu, 21 Dec 95 06:44:56 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09998; Thu, 21 Dec 95 06:21:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09992; Thu, 21 Dec 95 06:21:02 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tSlmq-00038HC; Thu, 21 Dec 95 06:16 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: steck@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Steckler) Subject: Re: IMAP addon ofr Win95 Exchange Message-Id: References: <1995Dec4.110501.937@cesi> Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 13:33:09 GMT In article <1995Dec4.110501.937@cesi> bottasini@cesi.it (Giuseppe Bottasini) writes: >Is there anywhere an IMAP addon for Win95 Exchange ? I would like to use Win95 >Exchange as an IMAP client to connect to our test IMAP server imapd. >TIA No, but my WinBiff program will at least get the IMAP headers; it works just fine under Win95. Look at http://www.tucows.com/files/wnbff33.zip. -- Paul -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Paul Steckler | World-Wide Web: | | steck@dcs.ed.ac.uk | URL = http://www.dcs.ed.ac.uk/home/steck | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 21 07:04:26 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22150; Thu, 21 Dec 95 07:04:26 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12316; Thu, 21 Dec 95 06:55:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12310; Thu, 21 Dec 95 06:55:32 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tSmMZ-00038EC; Thu, 21 Dec 95 06:52 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Alan D. Bulley" Subject: Receiving confirmation for sent mail Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 09:26:41 -0500 Message-Id: <30D96EA1.3576@spu.stpaul.uottawa.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, Does anyone know if it is possible to configure pine in such a way that I can receive a "confirmation of delivery" for the mail I send out? The mailer I used previously on CMS did this, and I often found it useful to know that my e-mail had arrived at its destination. Any experiences with this or ideas that are worth trying? Thanks! -- Alan D. Bulley Faculty of Theology / Faculte de theologie Saint Paul University / Universite Saint-Paul Ottawa, Canada abulley@spu.stpaul.uottawa.ca From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 21 07:09:11 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22382; Thu, 21 Dec 95 07:09:11 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10506; Thu, 21 Dec 95 06:55:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10500; Thu, 21 Dec 95 06:55:34 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tSmOJ-00038HC; Thu, 21 Dec 95 06:54 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Alan D. Bulley" Subject: Confirmation of e-mail delivery? Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 09:29:10 -0500 Message-Id: <30D96F36.3D9@spu.stpaul.uottawa.ca> References: <49ua4m$rq0@ccpnws.in2p3.fr> <4baafj$gem@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, Does anyone know if it is possible to configure pine in such a way that I can receive a "confirmation of delivery" for the mail I send out? The mailer I used previously on CMS did this, and I often found it useful to know that my e-mail had arrived at its destination. Any experiences with this or ideas that are worth trying? Thanks! -- Alan D. Bulley Faculty of Theology / Faculte de theologie Saint Paul University / Universite Saint-Paul Ottawa, Canada abulley@spu.stpaul.uottawa.ca From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 21 07:12:08 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22496; Thu, 21 Dec 95 07:12:08 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12448; Thu, 21 Dec 95 07:00:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12442; Thu, 21 Dec 95 07:00:30 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tSmPS-00038EC; Thu, 21 Dec 95 06:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Alan D. Bulley" Subject: Confirmation of e-mail delivery? Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 09:29:51 -0500 Message-Id: <30D96F5F.629F@spu.stpaul.uottawa.ca> References: <49ua4m$rq0@ccpnws.in2p3.fr> <4baafj$gem@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, Does anyone know if it is possible to configure pine in such a way that I can receive a "confirmation of delivery" for the mail I send out? The mailer I used previously on CMS did this, and I often found it useful to know that my e-mail had arrived at its destination. Any experiences with this or ideas that are worth trying? Thanks! -- Alan D. Bulley Faculty of Theology / Faculte de theologie Saint Paul University / Universite Saint-Paul Ottawa, Canada abulley@spu.stpaul.uottawa.ca From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 21 07:17:52 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22719; Thu, 21 Dec 95 07:17:52 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10773; Thu, 21 Dec 95 07:11:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10767; Thu, 21 Dec 95 07:11:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tSmch-00038IC; Thu, 21 Dec 95 07:09 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: butta1@cs.bu.edu (Nelson Chin) Subject: Re: RFC1522 and other patches to PINE 3.91 Date: 15 Dec 1995 00:59:07 GMT Message-Id: <4aqh8s$6ch@news.bu.edu> References: 8bit works only when emailing in pine.. when i tried to post 8bit in newsgroup, it converted it to base64 :( nelson From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 21 07:48:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23364; Thu, 21 Dec 95 07:48:31 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13054; Thu, 21 Dec 95 07:35:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13048; Thu, 21 Dec 95 07:35:34 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tSmxp-00038DC; Thu, 21 Dec 95 07:31 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: james knight Subject: pc-pine or equivalent for os2/warp Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 16:07:45 -0800 Message-Id: References: <4ajoat$eat@oban.cc.ic.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4ajoat$eat@oban.cc.ic.ac.uk> is there a warp/connect version of pc-pine available ? i tried installing the PC/FTP flavoured dos version, but it does not seem to work. any suggestions most welcome.. please email me as i do not often have a chance to connect to this group many thanks jamesk@wimsey.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 21 08:12:43 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24091; Thu, 21 Dec 95 08:12:43 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11318; Thu, 21 Dec 95 07:45:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11312; Thu, 21 Dec 95 07:45:35 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tSnAJ-00038EC; Thu, 21 Dec 95 07:44 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: andrew@novell.co.uk (Andrew Josey) Subject: Re: Pine, rimapd, and UnixWare... Message-Id: Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 11:59:22 GMT References: <4a6hrp$18c@news.ysu.edu> <4b17fo$ptn@news.ysu.edu> Barry Bouwsma (ag786@yfn.ysu.edu) wrote: : On 7 Dec 1995, Barry Bouwsma wrote: : > I am attempting to use Pine3.91 for UnixWare, presumably obtained : > from the usle archives at ftp.novell.de or equivalent, as an IMAP and : > SMTP client program. This should be attempting to execute the command: : > rsh IMAPHOST exec /etc/rimapd : Okay, so I'm still struggling with this, but with a little bit more : information so I've made a small bit of progress. : Thanks to private e-mail from Mark Crispin, it was pointed out that : this UnixWare version (which I'm running on UnixWare1.1.4) is based on the : SV4 port of Pine. What that means is that the command it expects to find : to exec the /etc/rimapd, as defined in the c-client Makefile, is : /usr/bin/resh (remote shell, no doubt to differentiate from the restricted : shell which would be rsh), and not /usr/bin/rsh . : If I look at /usr/bin on this UnixWare system, I find rsh, which : indeed is the remote shell, but no resh. I have recompiled the c-client directory on UW1.1 to use rsh instead of resh . I'll place the updated binaries in a bin.tar file, pine-3.91.supp.bin.tar.Z on ftp.novell.co.uk:/pub/unixware/usle/mailtools. : For the sake of a UnixWare port, or at least definitions which would : point in such a direction, I ask, does the standard UW1.x consist of : /usr/bin/rsh but no /usr/bin/resh for the remote shell? : Is there any difference in UW2.x , or is /usr/bin/rsh still what a : SysVR4 system would know as /usr/bin/resh? SVR4 has always has /usr/bin/rsh for the remote shell, the restricted shell got moved to /usr/lib/rsh. -- Andrew Josey, Email: andrew@novell.co.uk #include From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 21 08:39:57 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24891; Thu, 21 Dec 95 08:39:57 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14012; Thu, 21 Dec 95 08:25:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14004; Thu, 21 Dec 95 08:25:41 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tSnoE-00038EC; Thu, 21 Dec 95 08:25 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Russ Allbery Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 14 Dec 1995 14:28:36 -0800 Message-Id: References: <49vgqd$5h6@zuul.nmti.com> <4a5h6d$9k5@calliope.wln.com> In-Reply-To: Nancy McGough's message of 14 Dec 1995 12:16:26 -0800 In news.admin.misc, Nancy McGough writes: > Russ Allbery writes: >> The fact that Pine cannot distinguish between news and mail is bad. I >> explicitly make a point of telling people not to use Pine as a news >> reader because of it. > This is exactly the opposite advice you should be giving people. Yes, you're right...I said that backwards from what I was thinking. Sorry about that. > 1] Use Pine as a news reader I'm sorry to post this to the Pine newsgroup, but news and news readers are a specialty of mine. I support them, maintain them, document them, and use them extensively. I've tried a huge variety of news readers, from the standard rn/trn/strn to tin, nn, Netscape, News Watcher, NewsGrazer, and a half-dozen other news readers including Pine. Pine is quite literally one of the worst news readers I have ever seen. This is only partially because of the fact that it doesn't understand the difference between mail and news. In terms of screen organization, user interface, efficiency, and features, Pine is one of the last in every respect. There is no way I would ever recommend the program as a news reader. The only time when I can possibly think of someone wanting to use it as a news reader is if they want an integrated interface to mail and news and are already familiar with Pine. > If you use Pine as a news reader, you will not have to worry about > someone (who uses Pine as her mail client) inadvertantly posting a > msg that you privately mailed as a response to a news group msg. > This is because Pine strips the Newsgroups header in msgs that are > mailed but not posted. And this behavior is *incorrect*. It means that the recipient of the e-mail reply may not know what newsgroups the message originated from; that's a problem that I have personally had, since I'm active in quite a number of newsgroups on different subjects, and replies with subjects like "Help" that don't quote anything (common from AOL users, for one) often make it very hard to figure out what the person was referring to. Having the Newsgroups: header helps considerably. The Newsgroups: header does not mean what Pine thinks it means. This is a design flaw. > If everyone in the world used Pine for both news and mail, then this > feature would not be a bug. Yes. And as you state yourself, that's never going to happen. -- Russ Allbery (rra@cs.stanford.edu) http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~rra/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 21 09:07:11 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26515; Thu, 21 Dec 95 09:07:11 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13115; Thu, 21 Dec 95 09:00:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13103; Thu, 21 Dec 95 09:00:45 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tSoLj-00038HC; Thu, 21 Dec 95 09:00 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nickotym Subject: Re: Bcc Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 16:24:43 CDT Message-Id: References: <4a96vp$126@piston.ecp.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4a96vp$126@piston.ecp.fr> On 8 Dec 1995, Bartman wrote: > How can I make a blank carbon copy with Pine ? > > > __^__ Hugo HAAS > /(o o)\ E-mail : haash8@cti.ecp.fr > =oOO==(_)==OOo= WWW : http://www.cti.ecp.fr/~haash8/ > > First off it's "Blind carbon copy". this means that the recipient won't know someone else got a copy. There are two ways to do it: when composing a message, press ^R for rich headers, then go to the Bcc: field or go to Setup and Configure your default headers to include Bcc: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NICOLAI_T@dd.palmer.edu "We will never solve our problems by using Thomas Nicolai the same kind of thinking that created them." Palmer College of Chiropractic Albert Einstein -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 21 09:10:57 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26692; Thu, 21 Dec 95 09:10:57 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14934; Thu, 21 Dec 95 08:59:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from imi.imicro.com.205.42.206.IN-ADDR.ARPA by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14928; Thu, 21 Dec 95 08:59:45 -0800 Received: (from matt@localhost) by imi.imicro.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA03604; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 13:00:07 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 13:00:07 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Benjamin To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: certified mail Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Does IMAP or related software support any kind of certified mail -- ie., confirmation that mail has been delivered or handled by the intended recipient? Thanks, matt Matthew W. Benjamin --------> Public Key Follows: Integrated Microsystems 24615 Halsted Road Farmington Hills, MI 48335 voice 810-476-8660 fax 810-476-9321 -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQCNAzCq53MAAAEEAMOVcgFRmBCyAJTLQRcrOkFTwS/we//1HwY8zORfE50Pr0ss TXUZidvH42l1F9ZjKdQgiqGdpXZpRxh0PTHWOJLt/IfK4SVsOkXB82BL9FxtmwdZ nIQ9a2tKgIQdBYbVkjeNh3ja/r9yq55/K9DfJ4FSBF9XKEH4AqafB3v9wqo9AAUR tCVNYXR0aGV3IFcuIEJlbmphbWluIDxtYXR0QGltaWNyby5jb20+iQCVAwUQMKro jKafB3v9wqo9AQHQ7QQAloP64+6/SelBg0hxh7drGHey9kRG7AJCpHOs+p0wPINu T3KRzGjIABsSIn73U46f7fiaKR9dwp/xrP9pZDmdXU7sKvjS2K1ftn0wlKpEJThz KtCMh8edObGClPFgzIJ/2lnacgu91DEsVcpt9bjOZqXhE6qrwx6aEjt/w/5Bs/U= =1nt3 -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 21 10:49:21 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00775; Thu, 21 Dec 95 10:49:21 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17498; Thu, 21 Dec 95 10:30:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17492; Thu, 21 Dec 95 10:30:54 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tSplT-00038DC; Thu, 21 Dec 95 10:30 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) Subject: Re: Supressing Address Lists? Date: 15 Dec 1995 23:04:34 GMT Message-Id: <4asuu2$505@news.orst.edu> References: <4ans5o$put@nntp.interaccess.com> <4apvc3$ki2@news.orst.edu> In article , Paul O Bartlett wrote: >On 14 Dec 1995, John Stanley wrote (excerpt): >: 2. No, you do not need to put a To: header in mail that contains a BCC. >: There is no reason to send it to yourself. > > The purpose for putting _something_ in the To: field is purely >functional. Some people have had the experience that if they leave To: >blank and use a group of addresses in Bcc:, then somewhere along the line >all the Bcc: addressees get listed in an Apparently-to: manufactured >header, which gives away the game. Are you sending email or playing a game? What "game" is being given away? Are you saying that the mail system is failing to keep the addresses in a BCC list a secret from other members of the BCC list? Well, yes, there is no requirement for this secret to be kept. Mail systems are free to put the entire list of BCC addresses in each copy sent to a BCC list member. Even in mail which has a To: header, the BCC recipients may find the list of other BCC recipients. >Just how this happens I am unsure, but >making some kind of entry, such as yourself, in the To: field seems to be >a quick and dirty workaround. A quick and dirty workaround to an imaginary problem. Why not just do it the right way and not worry about "secrets" and "games" and trying to fool mail systems? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 21 12:18:03 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04907; Thu, 21 Dec 95 12:18:03 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18589; Thu, 21 Dec 95 12:06:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18583; Thu, 21 Dec 95 12:06:06 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tSrCR-00038DC; Thu, 21 Dec 95 12:02 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 16 Dec 1995 06:09:49 GMT Message-Id: <4atnrd$56f@hustle.rahul.net> References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> <4aapbu$rcd@hustle.rahul.net> <4akpjs$m5n@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> <4an9vp$cfo@news.orst.edu> <4aqghk$bae@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> In <4aqghk$bae@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> Lloyd Wood writes: ... >>>Rahul Dhesi wrote: >>>>In all fairness, let's note that making it hard for you to duplicate >>>>via email a Usenet posting is desirable behavior. ... >No. >Scan some newsgroups, and make a note of the number of people who >request information by email.... >If mail-and-post isn't desirable behaviour, why are so many people >adopting it? People make the following requests on Usenet (Q), and here is my raction (A). Q: Please email me your reply, as I don't read this newsgroup. A: What an arrogant jerk! Q: Please send replies by email, and I will post a summary. A: Smart person! I will be glad to cooperate. Q: Please email me a copy of any postings, my News access isn't reliable. A: Be glad to oblige. Only in the third case would I also send by email a copy of a posting, and only because the recipient requested it, and only after making sure I added a comment to prevent confusion, e.g.: Hi, in response to your request, here's an email copy of something I just posted to Usnet. If you are claiming that it's a good thing to send by email an identical copy of every posting you make, the fact that some people make certain rquests as listed above does not seem to support your claim. People often adopt many behaviors because they like doing certain things to others which they do not necessarily want to have done to themselves. I confess I am tempted to harrass you to death by sending you in email an exact copy of every posting I ever make to Usenet, but that doesn't mean that I want you to do this to me (or even that I would actually do it to you). -- Rahul Dhesi "please ignore Dhesi" -- Mark Crispin From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 21 12:25:58 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05241; Thu, 21 Dec 95 12:25:58 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20281; Thu, 21 Dec 95 12:16:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20275; Thu, 21 Dec 95 12:16:07 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tSrOC-00038EC; Thu, 21 Dec 95 12:14 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Uncle Tim Subject: auto YES to 'use reply-to rather than From'?? Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 23:06:59 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is there any way to automatically use the REPLY-TO rather than the FROM if there is a REPLY-TO? PINE asks you if you want to use it, but I'd rather it do this automatically rather than asking, since I can't imagine ever NOT wanting to use the reply-to rather than the from if the person put a reply-to. thanks TjL -- Timothy J. Luoma luomat@capitalist.princeton.edu At 6:06pm EST on Dec 11, 1995 Nicholas Anthony Aiello (son of my sister and brother-in-law) entered the world 8 pounds, 13oz, making me an uncle for the first time. 8^) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 21 13:16:11 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07463; Thu, 21 Dec 95 13:16:11 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20311; Thu, 21 Dec 95 13:06:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20305; Thu, 21 Dec 95 13:06:13 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tSs7r-00038DC; Thu, 21 Dec 95 13:02 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Bobby Sukumar Subject: Changing the indent prefix Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 18:34:31 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is it possible to change the indent prefix from the '>' default. I use Pine 3.91 for mail as well as news, and when I try to post a reply shorter than the original, I get a posting error. The workaround I have is to manually change the '>' to something different, and the posting goes thru properly. Can this be done automatically without changing the source ? -- Bobby Sukumar, Informix Software Inc, Menlo Park, CA 94025. Disclaimer: My views should not be construed as that of my company. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 21 14:44:51 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10994; Thu, 21 Dec 95 14:44:51 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22570; Thu, 21 Dec 95 14:36:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22564; Thu, 21 Dec 95 14:36:25 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tStYN-00038DC; Thu, 21 Dec 95 14:33 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tommyq@lune.math.tau.ac.il (Tommy Quitt) Subject: Reading multiple mail boxes Date: 15 Dec 1995 00:26:48 GMT Message-Id: <4aqfc8$m39@post.tau.ac.il> Hi! Is there any way to read and manage mail on two different accounts, on two servers without having to logon, enter password and run Pine on each one of them? I was thinking about something similar to reading News... If you have a good solution please e-mail me directly to: tommyq@math.tau.ac.il Thanks, Tommy -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Tommy Quitt tommyq@math.tau.ac.il home page: http://www.math.tau.ac.il/~tommyq -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 21 14:53:40 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11499; Thu, 21 Dec 95 14:53:40 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24275; Thu, 21 Dec 95 14:46:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24267; Thu, 21 Dec 95 14:46:31 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tStjE-00038LC; Thu, 21 Dec 95 14:44 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Re: attribution string Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 09:30:23 -0500 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Thu, 14 Dec 1995, Brian Shanblatt wrote: > is there a way in pine to customize the attribution string on > reply messages with the mail quoted? > > I want to change the default: > On Dec xx, 1995, So and So wrote: > > Can this be done in pine? I have never heard that it can be done automatically in Pine just by a configuration option. Apparently you have to modify the source code to Pine itself and recompile it, and to do that you have to have some competence in programming. Of course, you can always change it by hand for each individual message. For a while I posted to a foreign language (i.e., non-English) group, and I had to do just that. Paul -------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett P. O. Box 857 Vienna, VA 22183-0857 U.S.A. Finger, keyserver, or WWW for PGP 2.6.2 public key URL: http://www.access.digex.net/~pobart -------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 21 14:55:57 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11599; Thu, 21 Dec 95 14:55:57 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24265; Thu, 21 Dec 95 14:46:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24259; Thu, 21 Dec 95 14:46:26 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tSthU-00038DC; Thu, 21 Dec 95 14:43 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Re: Supressing Address Lists? Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 09:26:32 -0500 Message-Id: References: <4ans5o$put@nntp.interaccess.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4ans5o$put@nntp.interaccess.com> On 14 Dec 1995, Richard E. Freeman wrote: > To use pine to run an email list with 100 addresses or more how would you > keep from sending enormous headers containing the whole list of > subscribers to everyone on the list? I'm talking about using the > addressbook's list creation option. Rather than specify the whole list in the To: field, put it in the Bcc: field. Then each recipient will only see his/her address in the header. In this case, you must put _something_ in the To: header, so just put yourself there. Be aware that some mail transport agents choke on address lists which are larger than a certain size (Pine is a mail _user_ agent), so sending out a single piece of mail to gargantuan numbers of recipients can be a dicey proposition on some host systems. This isn't Pine's fault. Paul -------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett P. O. Box 857 Vienna, VA 22183-0857 U.S.A. Finger, keyserver, or WWW for PGP 2.6.2 public key URL: http://www.access.digex.net/~pobart -------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 21 14:56:00 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11615; Thu, 21 Dec 95 14:56:00 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22776; Thu, 21 Dec 95 14:46:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22770; Thu, 21 Dec 95 14:46:28 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tStic-00038IC; Thu, 21 Dec 95 14:44 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: s847291@minyos.xx.rmit.EDU.AU (Barbara Ann Romeril) Subject: Error message 441? Date: 14 Dec 1995 12:49:05 GMT Message-Id: <4ap6g1$snd@aggedor.rmit.EDU.AU> A friend of mine is using Pine as a newsreader as well as for mail. Whenever she attempts to post a message to a newsgroup she gets `error message 441 what server' and is unable to complete the post. Can anyone here interpret this message and suggest a solution. Thanks in advance. Barbara Romeril s847291@minyos.xx.rmit.edu.au From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 21 16:41:44 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16210; Thu, 21 Dec 95 16:41:44 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25807; Thu, 21 Dec 95 16:36:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25801; Thu, 21 Dec 95 16:36:37 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tSvQR-00038DC; Thu, 21 Dec 95 16:33 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dan@dpcsys.com (Dan Busarow) Subject: Re: Pine, rimapd, and UnixWare... Message-Id: References: <4a6hrp$18c@news.ysu.edu> <4b17fo$ptn@news.ysu.edu> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 20:16:43 GMT Barry Bouwsma (ag786@yfn.ysu.edu) wrote: : For the sake of a UnixWare port, or at least definitions which would : point in such a direction, I ask, does the standard UW1.x consist of : /usr/bin/rsh but no /usr/bin/resh for the remote shell? /usr/bin/rsh is the remote shell /usr/lib/rsh is the restricted shell. /usr/bin/resh is probably UW's or the porter's local convention, not SYSV's Dan -- Dan Busarow DPC Systems Dana Point, California From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 21 18:01:00 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19189; Thu, 21 Dec 95 18:01:00 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29029; Thu, 21 Dec 95 17:56:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29023; Thu, 21 Dec 95 17:56:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tSwfJ-00038HC; Thu, 21 Dec 95 17:52 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Re: Receiving confirmation for sent mail Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 11:48:33 -0500 Message-Id: References: <30D96EA1.3576@spu.stpaul.uottawa.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <30D96EA1.3576@spu.stpaul.uottawa.ca> On Thu, 21 Dec 1995, Alan D. Bulley wrote: > Does anyone know if it is possible to configure pine in such a way > that I can receive a "confirmation of delivery" for the mail I send > out? The mailer I used previously on CMS did this, and I often found > it useful to know that my e-mail had arrived at its destination. You can go into Setup and Config from the Main Menu (assuming you are using Pine 3.91) and add a customized header, Return-receipt-to: your-address . However, this is no guarantee that you will in fact get a receipt when the mail gets there, as not all receiving systems honor the request and there is no Internet-wide requirement that they do so. Some do, some don't. (Your experience on CMS was probably solely within the IBM internal world, which honors it in its own way and is not an Internet standard. Various proprietary mail schemes do things like this.) Paul -------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett P. O. Box 857 Vienna, VA 22183-0857 U.S.A. Finger, keyserver, or WWW for PGP 2.6.2 public key URL: http://www.access.digex.net/~pobart -------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 21 18:01:13 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19216; Thu, 21 Dec 95 18:01:13 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27535; Thu, 21 Dec 95 17:56:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27529; Thu, 21 Dec 95 17:56:49 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tSwfI-00038EC; Thu, 21 Dec 95 17:52 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Re: more features requested Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 11:43:40 -0500 Message-Id: References: <49ua4m$rq0@ccpnws.in2p3.fr> <4baafj$gem@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4baafj$gem@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> On 21 Dec 1995, System Administrator wrote: > One thing I'd like is to be able to associate an fcc with a name in the > address book. So that all the people with whom I talk about strawbale > construction have strawbale for the FCC, and that for Rod Farlee > (rod@stadler.com) I can assign a fcc of Farlee, instead of rod. This capability already exists, at least in Pine 3.91. In the addressbook, you can edit an entry and specify what folder is to receive a copy of the outgoing mail addressed with that nickname. (However, I'm not sure what happens if you address a piece of mail with multiple nicknames with different Fcc's specified in the addressbook. I've never tried it.) Paul -------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett P. O. Box 857 Vienna, VA 22183-0857 U.S.A. Finger, keyserver, or WWW for PGP 2.6.2 public key URL: http://www.access.digex.net/~pobart -------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 21 18:02:37 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19259; Thu, 21 Dec 95 18:02:37 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29021; Thu, 21 Dec 95 17:56:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29015; Thu, 21 Dec 95 17:56:47 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tSwfI-00038DC; Thu, 21 Dec 95 17:52 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dkh2528@cc.utah.edu (david hayes) Subject: Re: runaway pine processes eat cpu Date: 21 Dec 1995 15:42:17 GMT Message-Id: <4bbv8p$csp@news.cc.utah.edu> References: <4b68or$5e@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> [ lots of stuff snipped ] we also have a problem with runaway pines eating tons of cpu cycles. (we're using pine 3.91 on aix 3.2.5. as an aside, we didn't have the problem with pine 3.89.) to minimize the effects of this, i run a script every 15 minutes that sees how much cpu time each pine session has used. if it's over 2:00 minutes, the session gets killed. it's a crude solution, but it works. happy holidays! --david From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 21 19:24:57 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21232; Thu, 21 Dec 95 19:24:57 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28931; Thu, 21 Dec 95 19:21:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28919; Thu, 21 Dec 95 19:21:57 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tSy0o-00038DC; Thu, 21 Dec 95 19:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jnassis@shiva.hunter.cuny.edu Subject: accidental deletion Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 10:35:54 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Does anyone know if you can recover messages after you have deleted them from read-messages? And if so, how do I do that? john e-mail:jnassis@shiva.hunter.cuny.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 21 19:29:22 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21338; Thu, 21 Dec 95 19:29:22 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00547; Thu, 21 Dec 95 19:26:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00541; Thu, 21 Dec 95 19:26:58 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tSy59-00038DC; Thu, 21 Dec 95 19:23 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Michael Pohl Subject: sent-mail Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 16:58:58 +0100 (MEZ) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I want pine automatically to put sentmails to different folders according to the name of the person i sent the mail to. In elm there is a possibility to do this, does anyone know whether this is possible in pine too? Michael pohl@mathematik.uni-wuerzburg.de From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 21 22:27:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24349; Thu, 21 Dec 95 22:27:20 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01561; Thu, 21 Dec 95 22:22:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01555; Thu, 21 Dec 95 22:22:19 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tT0pJ-00038DC; Thu, 21 Dec 95 22:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hughm@bristol.st.com (Hugh McIntyre) Subject: Re: Return to Sender - How ? Date: 21 Dec 1995 14:15:23 GMT Message-Id: <4bbq5r$pdc@milkwort.inmos.co.uk> References: <4aflu6$ldg@fu-berlin.de> |> >>>>> "Sven" == Sven Guckes writes: |> |> Sven> ghhawk@gate.net (Glenn Hawkins) writes: |> >> Just as one can create a ".forward" file to auto-forward ones e-mail to |> >> another address, can one create a ".retrun-to-sender" file to auto-return |> >> unwanted e-mail from a specific e-mail addressee? |> |> Sven> No. At least I have never heard of it yet. ;-) Use procmail, or any one of the other mail filtering methods. Since this is getting posted to the ELM group, ELM's "filter" program would also work. Using this, select messages from the unwanted sender and make it run a program to mail back a "go away" message. Hugh. -- | Hugh McIntyre | hughm@bristol.st.com | SGS-Thomson Microelectronics Ltd, 1000 Aztec West, | or: hughm@inmos.co.uk | Almondsbury, Bristol, BS12 4SQ, UK. | or: hugh.mcintyre@st.com | Tel: +44 (0)1454 611443, FAX: +44 (0)1454 620688 | From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 22 00:28:16 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26787; Fri, 22 Dec 95 00:28:16 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05098; Fri, 22 Dec 95 00:22:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05092; Fri, 22 Dec 95 00:22:33 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tT2hA-00038DC; Fri, 22 Dec 95 00:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: root@ (root) Subject: Pine won't post? Date: 22 Dec 1995 03:43:24 GMT Message-Id: <4bd9gs$1uu@ktk2.smartt.com> From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 22 02:34:34 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29519; Fri, 22 Dec 95 02:34:34 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05268; Fri, 22 Dec 95 02:22:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05262; Fri, 22 Dec 95 02:22:50 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tT4aG-00038DC; Fri, 22 Dec 95 02:20 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 22 Dec 1995 08:19:51 GMT Message-Id: <4bdpn7$e83@news.orst.edu> References: <4bbesv$4ve@huron.eel.ufl.edu> In article , Mark Crispin wrote: >This is what I'm trying to tell you. It isn't possible. The best that >you can do is a crude approximation, and there are cases in which it won't >work. > >3.92 will be coming out soon; it fixes the cause of accidental postings >and it does it right. Why not wait until it's out. If the best is a crude approximation, then how do you claim that it is "done right"? >> >The correct action is to anti-false the Newsgroups: header, which has been I have yet to see any definition for this term "anti-false", so I guess you can claim it works right no matter what it does. >However, the "to-do" list is getting shorter. In case it isn't obvious, >it will be a major new release. That is why, of course, the version number is incrementing the minor number by one instead of incrementing the major number. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 22 02:39:56 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29603; Fri, 22 Dec 95 02:39:56 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06841; Fri, 22 Dec 95 02:27:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06835; Fri, 22 Dec 95 02:27:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tT4hK-00038EC; Fri, 22 Dec 95 02:27 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: harris@email.unc.edu (Trey Harris) Subject: Re: runaway pine processes eat cpu Date: 20 Dec 1995 17:50:16 GMT Message-Id: <4b9ico$102g@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> References: <30D7F5FF.3EC2@mail.cern.ch> In article , Mike Brudenell wrote: >It was a nicer try than you seem to think... although we were getting 3 >or 4 runaway Pine 3.89 processes a week, I don't think we've seen a >single Pine 3.91 runaway over the year or so we've had it. Could be >difference in platforms, could just be luck? I think not. My site had the same experience with Unix Pine. Under 3.89 I would see seven to ten looping Pine processes per day (on a system where around 3,000 Pine sessions are started per day). In the past year we've had 3.91 I can only recall isolated cases where Pine hung, and all were due to pretty obvious things (e.g., IMAP server or home directory fileserver going down). The problem we're still waiting for (I understand this is already fixed in current UW internal versions of Pine 3.92) is where, under AIX (and a few other OSs) some unclean disconnections result in a zero-length ~/.pine-interrupted-mail file (which can in turn result in ~/.pine-interrupted-mail-lock* files). A zero-length file is a legal Berkeley ("From "-delimited) mailbox, and the ~/.pine-interrupted-mail file is stored in that format. However, Pine warns the user upon each compose that there is interrupted mail, and then if the user agrees to continue it, Pine starts to spit out error messages. In some cases it can go into a loop and hang or dump core. On my machines, if I look at the hardware error logs (which under AIX includes some firmware and kernel errors as well), any errors which I might find interesting are drowned out by the logs of fifty or more Pine coredumps every day. *Very* much looking forward to 3.92 here. :) -- Trey Harris http://sunsite.unc.edu/harris/ System Administrator, Project Isis, Office of Information Technology The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 22 03:46:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00901; Fri, 22 Dec 95 03:46:54 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06022; Fri, 22 Dec 95 03:22:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06016; Fri, 22 Dec 95 03:22:57 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tT5VY-00038DC; Fri, 22 Dec 95 03:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Re: Supressing Address Lists? Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 10:15:01 -0500 Message-Id: References: <4ans5o$put@nntp.interaccess.com> <4apvc3$ki2@news.orst.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4apvc3$ki2@news.orst.edu> On 14 Dec 1995, John Stanley wrote (excerpt): : > Rather than specify the whole list in the To: field, put it in the : >Bcc: field. Then each recipient will only see his/her address in the : >header. In this case, you must put _something_ in the To: header, so : : 2. No, you do not need to put a To: header in mail that contains a BCC. : There is no reason to send it to yourself. The purpose for putting _something_ in the To: field is purely functional. Some people have had the experience that if they leave To: blank and use a group of addresses in Bcc:, then somewhere along the line all the Bcc: addressees get listed in an Apparently-to: manufactured header, which gives away the game. Just how this happens I am unsure, but making some kind of entry, such as yourself, in the To: field seems to be a quick and dirty workaround. Paul -------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett P. O. Box 857 Vienna, VA 22183-0857 U.S.A. Finger, keyserver, or WWW for PGP 2.6.2 public key URL: http://www.access.digex.net/~pobart -------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 22 05:00:22 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02956; Fri, 22 Dec 95 05:00:22 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08902; Fri, 22 Dec 95 04:48:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08896; Fri, 22 Dec 95 04:48:06 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tT6q0-00038DC; Fri, 22 Dec 95 04:44 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bm71569@themis.ag.gov.bc.ca (Jamie Royer) Subject: Compiling PINE 3.91 on DG/UX - Solution Message-Id: <1995Dec21.234804.7344@venus.gov.bc.ca> Date: 21 Dec 95 23:48:04 PST -- I have successfully compiled Pine 3.91 on a DG AViiON machine! I don't know why the following works, it just does. Machine: dgux devel 5.4R3.10 generic AViiON mc88110 pine3.91/imap/ANSI/c-client/os_d-g.c - add a line. Shown with '+'. - This was posted by several other people. #include "log_std.c" #include "gr_waitp.c" #include "tz_sv4.c" + #include #undef utime pine3.91/pico/composer.c - Function: ArrangeHeader(). - I traced the error to this piece of the code. It would never return from this function. I couldn't see anything wrong, but I added '{' and '}' to the "while" statement because I was adding debug statements. Shown with "^^^". line 1630: while(headents[e+1].name || (l && l->next)) { 1631: if(l = next_hline(&e, l)){ ^^^ 1632: ods.cur_l = l; 1633: ods.cur_e = e; 1634: } 1635: } ^^^ pine3.91/pico/makefile.d-g - change two lines. Not sure if this is necessary, but it started working right after I did this. I changed the lines to use "dbx". After stepping through the program while trying to "reply" to a message, it worked. I exited "dbx" and it worked from the command line. line 51: #includes symbol info for debugging 52: #DASHO= -g 53: #for normal build 54: DASHO= -O CHANGE TO (enable debugging): line 51: #includes symbol info for debugging 52: DASHO= -g /* removed # */ 53: #for normal build 54: #DASHO= -O /* added # */ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jamie Royer Tel: (604) 775-2879 Senior Programmer Fax: (604) 775-2880 GAEA Management & Consulting Ltd. E-Mail: jroyer@themis.ag.gov.bc.ca Burnaby, BC, Canada ---------------------------------------------------------------------- My opinions may be wrong, but at least they're my own. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 22 05:43:32 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03854; Fri, 22 Dec 95 05:43:32 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07899; Fri, 22 Dec 95 05:28:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07893; Fri, 22 Dec 95 05:28:11 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tT7Vf-00038DC; Fri, 22 Dec 95 05:27 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) Subject: Re: Supressing Address Lists? Date: 14 Dec 1995 19:53:39 GMT Message-Id: <4apvc3$ki2@news.orst.edu> References: <4ans5o$put@nntp.interaccess.com> In article , Paul O Bartlett wrote: >On 14 Dec 1995, Richard E. Freeman wrote: > >> To use pine to run an email list with 100 addresses or more how would you >> keep from sending enormous headers containing the whole list of >> subscribers to everyone on the list? I'm talking about using the >> addressbook's list creation option. > > Rather than specify the whole list in the To: field, put it in the >Bcc: field. Then each recipient will only see his/her address in the >header. In this case, you must put _something_ in the To: header, so 1. If you read the specifications for the BCC header, you will note that there is no guarantee that each user in the BCC list will see only his own address there. BCC is meant to be kept secret from the primary and secondary addressees, but not from other BCC recipients. 2. No, you do not need to put a To: header in mail that contains a BCC. There is no reason to send it to yourself. A better way of running an email list is to create an alias that has all the names, in a file which the list manager can edit. Then you simply send the mail to that alias. Nobody sees anyone else's address, all they see is the list address. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 22 05:44:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03898; Fri, 22 Dec 95 05:44:31 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08015; Fri, 22 Dec 95 05:36:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from k12.denver.ssds.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08009; Fri, 22 Dec 95 05:36:07 -0800 Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 06:36:04 -0700 (MST) From: Paul Clement Czaja X-Sender: czaja@k12 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT Please advise me as to set up my postings to the CATHOLIC@AMERICAN.EDU List so that my name is identified on the posting list; no matter what I am doing now my posting comes on as ; for example see *paste* below: D 14 Dec 21 To: Multiple recip (1,774) Love's Energy D 15 Dec 21 Tom Whalen (2,528) Re: A Plea for Clemency D 16 Dec 21 Ed Faulk (4,668) Re: Going to Confession Notice at posting #14 which is from me does not give my name but only while the other postings (#15 and #16 for example) give the name of the person posting. I have tried asking listserve@american.edu but they say they have no idea why this is happening. I hope you can advise me as to rectify this. Thank you Paul Clement From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 22 05:57:33 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04130; Fri, 22 Dec 95 05:57:33 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08189; Fri, 22 Dec 95 05:48:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08183; Fri, 22 Dec 95 05:48:16 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tT7kh-00038HC; Fri, 22 Dec 95 05:43 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mark@axsamer.org (Mark Shapiro) Subject: Pine/Ispell/Linux problem Date: 21 Dec 1995 18:54:58 GMT Message-Id: <4bcai2$8so@axsamer.org> I've got a Linux system running Pine... When users try to ^T to spellcheck their message, /usr/bin/spell runs and prints out an error message... Pine isn't giving it the parameters it is expecting. I tried to recompile Pine but I get bazillions of errors doing so. I checked it on another Linux system, and had the same problem there. Any suggestions? Please reply via email. Thanks. -- Copyright (c) 1995, Mark Shapiro. Redistribution of this work, in any form, in whole or in part, on or by the Microsoft Network, is expressly prohibited. GCS d--(++) a-- C++++$ UL++++$ US++++$ US++ P+ L+++>++++ PE+ K? w--- O !M-- r- !V-- PS-- Y+ PGP- 5+++ X+ R+++ tv--- D o? t G++>++++ e>++ h++(-) y- DI++ b++++ !E W+++$ N+++ s: From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 22 06:02:57 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04245; Fri, 22 Dec 95 06:02:57 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09695; Fri, 22 Dec 95 05:48:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09689; Fri, 22 Dec 95 05:48:14 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tT7kg-00038DC; Fri, 22 Dec 95 05:43 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Tim Pierce Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Message-Id: References: <49vgqd$5h6@zuul.nmti.com> <4ba0aj$n6d@huron.eel.ufl.edu> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 19:20:53 GMT In article , Mark Crispin wrote: >On 20 Dec 1995, Jeff Mercer wrote: > >> I personally and intending on altering the source for the implimentation of >> PINE on Alachua Freenet so that Newsgroups: lines in the header of a mail >> message are completely ignored, which is of course RFC compliant. > >If you do that, then users won't be able to post followups when they are >reading news. What a CALAMITY! -- By sending unsolicited commercially-oriented e-mail to this address, the sender agrees to pay a $100 flat fee to the recipient for proofreading services. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 22 06:11:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04410; Fri, 22 Dec 95 06:11:25 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09902; Fri, 22 Dec 95 06:03:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09896; Fri, 22 Dec 95 06:03:24 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tT82S-00038LC; Fri, 22 Dec 95 06:01 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sinners@netcom.com (Steve Inners) Subject: PINE for AT&T Unix 3.2???? where? Message-Id: Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 17:47:58 GMT Hello. I am in need of a PINE binary for AT&T Unix 3.2.2. I have the source, but no development system on that particular platform. Does anyone know where I can get such a binary? I have been trying to run the SCO UNIX binary on this machine, but it doesn't look like it is going to work. Thanks in advance! -- -Steve sinners@netcom.com ################################################### I brew, therefore I am. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 22 08:15:35 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07432; Fri, 22 Dec 95 08:15:35 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11877; Fri, 22 Dec 95 08:08:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from sun4nl.NL.net by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11871; Fri, 22 Dec 95 08:08:19 -0800 Received: from horn by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA09175 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Fri, 22 Dec 1995 17:08:03 +0100 Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 17:01:05 +0100 (CEST) From: Nico van der Horn To: Rahul Dhesi Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy In-Reply-To: <4atnrd$56f@hustle.rahul.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 16 Dec 1995, Rahul Dhesi wrote: > People make the following requests on Usenet (Q), and here is my > raction (A). Correction: "reaction"; some people develop bad spelling behaviour. > Q: Please email me your reply, as I don't read this newsgroup. > A: What an arrogant jerk! What an unfrendly reaction if the other party has no Usenet access ! > "please ignore Dhesi" -- Mark Crispin Last line is probably the best ;-) ... No hard feelings ! --- nico@vanderhorn.nl (N.J. van der Horn), VANDERHORN VOF, Oranjelaan 40, 3135 ZP Vlaardingen, The Netherlands, Tel +31104600411, Fax +31104342857 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 22 08:34:05 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07959; Fri, 22 Dec 95 08:34:05 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12237; Fri, 22 Dec 95 08:26:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from TURBO.Kean.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12231; Fri, 22 Dec 95 08:26:03 -0800 Received: by turbo.kean.edu; (5.65v3.0/1.1.8.2/08Feb95-0139PM) id AA20725; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 11:29:09 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 11:29:09 -0500 (EST) From: "Paul E. Yahnig" To: root@turbo.kean.edu Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine won't post? In-Reply-To: <4bd9gs$1uu@ktk2.smartt.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This is a test, please ignore. Paul Yahnig _______________________________________________________________________________ Paul E. Yahnig pyahnig@turbo.kean.edu Kean College of New Jersey http://www.kean.edu/~pyahnig Network Support "Off the keyboard, thru the router, past the hub, over the bridge, down the line, ....nothing but net!" On 22 Dec 1995 root@turbo.kean.edu wrote: > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 22 09:20:04 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10096; Fri, 22 Dec 95 09:20:04 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12095; Fri, 22 Dec 95 09:14:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from Farstar.secapl.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12089; Fri, 22 Dec 95 09:14:48 -0800 Received: from fozzie.secapl.com (Fozzie.secapl.com [192.131.46.3]) by Farstar.secapl.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA274922; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 11:06:55 -0600 Received: by fozzie.secapl.com id AA34972 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4); Fri, 22 Dec 1995 12:14:33 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 12:14:28 -0500 (EST) From: Tony Iannotti To: Nico van der Horn Cc: Rahul Dhesi , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 22 Dec 1995, Nico van der Horn wrote: > > Q: Please email me your reply, as I don't read this newsgroup. > > A: What an arrogant jerk! > > What an unfrendly reaction if the other party has no Usenet access ! How would they have posted the request if they had no access? I suppose they could have asked a friend to post, but then the address would have to be entered by hand, and in that case I guess it's reasonable. Still, usually questions that are appropriate to a newsgroup would have answers from which other people reading the newsgroup would benefit. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 22 12:09:22 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16206; Fri, 22 Dec 95 12:09:22 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16041; Fri, 22 Dec 95 11:58:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16035; Fri, 22 Dec 95 11:58:54 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tTDa8-00038DC; Fri, 22 Dec 95 11:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Re: Filter progs and other inboxes Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 11:37:17 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Fri, 22 Dec 1995, Rogue The Bronze Firelizard wrote: > does any one have any filter progs for Unix that can read (or could be > modified to read) address in the to: and cc: lines? and suves these into > other inbokes (or failing that other folders)? If you have a World Wide Web browser, look at my home page and follow the link to Nancy McGough's pages. She has useful material there on filtering incoming mail into different folders. procmail and filter (from elm) are probably the most common programs used on Unix. Paul -------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett P. O. Box 857 Vienna, VA 22183-0857 U.S.A. Finger, keyserver, or WWW for PGP 2.6.2 public key URL: http://www.access.digex.net/~pobart -------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 22 12:39:59 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17316; Fri, 22 Dec 95 12:39:59 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18229; Fri, 22 Dec 95 12:34:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18223; Fri, 22 Dec 95 12:33:58 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tTE9X-00038EC; Fri, 22 Dec 95 12:33 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jgvd@guava.epix.net (Jonathan and DearOldDad) Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 15 Dec 1995 05:06:19 GMT Message-Id: <4aqvob$g2e@guava.epix.net> References: <49vgqd$5h6@zuul.nmti.com> <4aq6jd$rv7@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca>: Distribution: Steve Howie (showie@uoguelph.ca) wrote: ... in part, lottsa stuff deleted ... : I have tried to reproduce the problem using Pine 3.91. I can't. : 1. I Post using Tin. : 2. A colleague replies to the posting and the reply gets sent to me. : 3. I reply to this email message using Pine 3.91. : 4. The email reply goes to the person in 2. : 5. Nothing gets posted to the newsgroup. : Am I missing something in this discussion? Or are you all talking about : a different scenario? : Scotty Nope Scotty, yer not missing anything, these are just a bunch of people too stupid to figure out that when asked if they want to also post their pine mail reply to a newsgroup, they should answer (n)o instead of (y)es. /\ /~\/\/\ /\ /\ /\ |>> John (aka DearOldDad) /\ \/\/ / / \/\/ \/\/\/ \/ \/\|Fore! Pocono Mtns PA USA EARTH/__\/_/__/_/___/email_jgvd@epix.net_|_____ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 22 13:06:03 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18614; Fri, 22 Dec 95 13:06:03 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17545; Fri, 22 Dec 95 12:59:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17525; Fri, 22 Dec 95 12:59:01 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tTEWX-00038IC; Fri, 22 Dec 95 12:57 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: grendel@netaxs.com (Michael Handler) Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 22 Dec 1995 19:04:45 GMT Message-Id: <4bevgd$l1f@netaxs.com> References: <4bbesv$4ve@huron.eel.ufl.edu> In article , Mark Crispin (mrc@CAC.Washington.EDU) wrote: > Pine 3.92 will come out Real Soon Now. We can't make any promises yet. > However, the "to-do" list is getting shorter. In case it isn't obvious, > it will be a major new release. Why not call it PINE 4.0, then? I've seen the list of features being added into the new version; with that and the new anti-falsing code, people really should upgrade from 3.91 and below to this new version. If you call it 3.92, people may think it's only a minor upgrade, and not bother. -- Michael Handler Philadelphia, PA there's an oriented public whose magnetic force does pull / but away from the potential of the individual From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 22 14:02:59 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20509; Fri, 22 Dec 95 14:02:59 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20127; Fri, 22 Dec 95 13:59:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20115; Fri, 22 Dec 95 13:59:05 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tTFRe-00038DC; Fri, 22 Dec 95 13:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: uhaa007@sun.rhbnc.ac.uk (Andy Reid) Subject: Re: IMAP addon ofr Win95 Exchange Date: 15 Dec 1995 08:07:23 GMT Message-Id: <4arabr$62a@sun.rhbnc.ac.uk> References: <1995Dec4.110501.937@cesi> <4amukt$q83@milo.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca> In article <4amukt$q83@milo.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca>, gordonf@opus.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca (Gordon Fecyk) writes: |> IMAP is not within Exchange's scheme of things. |> |> Exchange bases its operations on storing mail locally (like POP3 |> allows). IMAP requires that mail remains on the server. On that mail |> server the IMAP client can make their own folders etc but they remain on |> the server. I'm not sure this is strictly accurate. The Exchange model appears to allow not only alternative transport providers, but also an alternative message store provider, and indeed an alternative address book provider. I would have thought that the universal Inbox could still be used for incoming messages, and then an IMAP store provider could allow access to a central store for storage. This is presumably analagous to the difference between using local folders and using an Exchange server (whenever!). Lots of coding of course...... Andy Reid RHUL From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 22 15:59:14 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23612; Fri, 22 Dec 95 15:59:14 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22207; Fri, 22 Dec 95 15:52:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from sun4nl.NL.net by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22201; Fri, 22 Dec 95 15:52:26 -0800 Received: from horn by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA27464 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Sat, 23 Dec 1995 00:52:24 +0100 Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 00:45:35 +0100 (CEST) From: Nico van der Horn To: Tony Iannotti Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 22 Dec 1995, Tony Iannotti wrote: > On Fri, 22 Dec 1995, Nico van der Horn wrote: > > > Raoul Desi wrote: > > > Q: Please email me your reply, as I don't read this newsgroup. > > > A: What an arrogant jerk! > > > > What an unfrendly reaction if the other party has no Usenet access ! > > How would they have posted the request if they had no access? You can follow most newsgroups by mail if there is a crosslink established by the moderator as is the case with the Pine-list. Ofcourse you must subscribe by some procedure, but that's only once. We have an UUCP-account for mail and no extra provisions for news. For a small company like ours this is quite usefull. > Still, usually questions that are appropriate to a newsgroup would have > answers from which other people reading the newsgroup would benefit. Agreed ! One's problems are seldom unique, so we can 'share' knowledge. I use Pine now for some time on our own system, that poll's our Internet provider several times a day. In addition I have a login account on their machine, that I mainly use for WWW-surfing. In addition there is Pine available on that machine, and there I can use Pine to read news directly. There are other solutions as well (eg. Trumpet Newsreader), but this is what I do sometimes. Therefore I feel it is handy to ask for reply by mail if I do not follow a group very frequently. My opinion is that the effort to send a copy by mail would not be that much asked ! For good order: my comment was intended to explain, not to be crude. --- nico@vanderhorn.nl (N.J. van der Horn), VANDERHORN VOF, Oranjelaan 40, 3135 ZP Vlaardingen, The Netherlands, Tel +31104600411, Fax +31104342857 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 22 16:31:50 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24486; Fri, 22 Dec 95 16:31:50 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21629; Fri, 22 Dec 95 16:24:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21617; Fri, 22 Dec 95 16:24:22 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tTHj5-00038HC; Fri, 22 Dec 95 16:22 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 12:31:16 -0800 Message-Id: References: <4bbesv$4ve@huron.eel.ufl.edu> <4bdpn7$e83@news.orst.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4bdpn7$e83@news.orst.edu> On 22 Dec 1995, John Stanley wrote: > In article , > Mark Crispin wrote: > >This is what I'm trying to tell you. It isn't possible. The best that > >you can do is a crude approximation, and there are cases in which it won't > >work. > >3.92 will be coming out soon; it fixes the cause of accidental postings > >and it does it right. Why not wait until it's out. > If the best is a crude approximation, then how do you claim that it is > "done right"? Because 3.92 does not do the crude approximation based on where the message *may* be stored. 3.92 does a better analysis of the header. > >> >The correct action is to anti-false the Newsgroups: header > I have yet to see any definition for this term "anti-false", so I guess > you can claim it works right no matter what it does. Anti-falsing refers to the rejection of a Newsgroups: header line in a message header if the header does not otherwise conform to a standard of a message that has been posted. The presence of a "Path:" header is part of the test, but not the only test. Anti-falsing has been designed so that it errs on the side of assuming that a message has *not* been posted (that is, that the Newsgroups: header line is bogus). It should never err and assume that a message was posted when it was not. At the same time, it preserves mail/news integration, including support of messages that are both posted and mailed (and recognition of such). > >However, the "to-do" list is getting shorter. In case it isn't obvious, > >it will be a major new release. > That is why, of course, the version number is incrementing the minor > number by one instead of incrementing the major number. There are several important functionalities which have been declared for the first Pine 4, which 3.92 does not have. Some of these, such as a hierarchical folder browser, require IMAP4 support which won't be in 3.92 but which I expect will be in the next one after that (the IMAP4 code is done, but there are a lot of interface changes that need to be in Pine). -- Mark -- DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 22 17:04:21 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25489; Fri, 22 Dec 95 17:04:21 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23359; Fri, 22 Dec 95 16:59:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23353; Fri, 22 Dec 95 16:59:25 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tTIGE-00038EC; Fri, 22 Dec 95 16:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: grendel@netaxs.com (Michael Handler) Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 14 Dec 1995 00:43:27 GMT Message-Id: <4anrvf$p5i@netaxs.com> References: <49vgqd$5h6@zuul.nmti.com> <4a5h6d$9k5@calliope.wln.com> In article , Mark Crispin (mrc@CAC.Washington.EDU) wrote: > A realistic approach for you should be to switch to a mail agent that > doesn't put bogus "Newsgroups" headers into your mail. Or maybe you should stop telling your program to misinterpret a header that is undefined in email? -- Michael Handler Philadelphia, PA Speech is silver, silence is golden. Self is universe. erna handler (1916-1995) -- "And it's the last moment I remember, which I see them all, thru myself, now -- tho not you / I didn't forsee what you felt -- what more hideous gape of bad mouth came first -- to you -- and were you prepared?" -- Ginsberg, "Kaddish" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 22 17:14:05 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26233; Fri, 22 Dec 95 17:14:05 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22641; Fri, 22 Dec 95 17:09:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22635; Fri, 22 Dec 95 17:09:26 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tTIOY-00038HC; Fri, 22 Dec 95 17:05 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sbernst@panix.com (Stan Bernstein) Subject: read-only status Date: 22 Dec 1995 18:21:48 -0500 Message-Id: <4bfeic$g6l@panix3.panix.com> Suddenly, when I access my pine mailbox, I get the message that I am accessing it "read only". How do I reset so it is no longer read-only? A pointer would be truly appreciated. All best wishes/SB sbernst@panix.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 22 20:18:19 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29593; Fri, 22 Dec 95 20:18:19 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25580; Fri, 22 Dec 95 20:14:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25574; Fri, 22 Dec 95 20:14:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tTLJs-00038HC; Fri, 22 Dec 95 20:12 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Pekka Koski Subject: Pine & PGP Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 02:44:01 +0200 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Can anyone point me a FAQ considering how to make Pine and PGP work nicely together? If someone has hints to give on practical level, I would greatly appreciate 'em :-) (In email form) I have no need for encryption, but PGP signature might become useful some day. (Been following the discussion in local *.law-newsgroups) If this is a FAQ, sorry for the waste of bandwith :) ....................................................................... Pekka Koski = koski@rieska.oulu.fi - CRIS #2351 ThreadNeck -=FAF=- home+358-81-347892 data/fax+358-81-5542604 cellular+358-400-586946 ....................................................................... Windws is ine for bckgroun comunicaions - Bll Gats, 192 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 22 20:18:36 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29621; Fri, 22 Dec 95 20:18:36 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26678; Fri, 22 Dec 95 20:14:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26672; Fri, 22 Dec 95 20:14:45 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tTLJr-00038EC; Fri, 22 Dec 95 20:12 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rooster@falcon.bgsu.edu (Kevin Roth) Subject: Pine3.91 on SGI with IRIX6.1 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 18:09:48 -0500 Message-Id: Has anyone compiled Pine on an SGI running IRIX 6.1? I tried yesterday and couldn't make it work, but we suspect there may be problems with our compiler or libraries. Thanks, --Kevin Roth --Student Systems Programmer --Bowling Green State University --kroth@bgnet.bgsu.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 22 21:28:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00810; Fri, 22 Dec 95 21:28:06 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27635; Fri, 22 Dec 95 21:24:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27629; Fri, 22 Dec 95 21:24:53 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tTMQI-00038EC; Fri, 22 Dec 95 21:23 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: steve@up.edu (Steve Ward) Subject: Re: Pine, rimapd, and UnixWare... Date: 21 Dec 1995 17:05:19 -0800 Message-Id: <4bd08f$4bb@upibm47.up.edu> References: <4a6hrp$18c@news.ysu.edu> <4b17fo$ptn@news.ysu.edu> <4b7e49$d3b@nn.fast.net> In article <4b7e49$d3b@nn.fast.net>, Michael J Matthews wrote: >SYSV remote shell used to be called remsh NOT resh. I guess that has been >Berkleyized to rsh. I wonder what happened to SV restricted shell (rsh)? Actually, I've seen both (on different SVR3.2 ports). As I recall, the 'r' commands came from BSD, and the new name was created by the SysV people just to keep it from colliding with the restricted shell (now /usr/lib/rsh). Steve -- Steve Ward, Jr., Advanced Systems Specialist School of Engineering, University of Portland Portland OR steve@up.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 22 21:58:04 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01288; Fri, 22 Dec 95 21:58:04 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26863; Fri, 22 Dec 95 21:54:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26857; Fri, 22 Dec 95 21:54:56 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tTMsw-00038EC; Fri, 22 Dec 95 21:52 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dave@frackit.com (Dave Ratcliffe) Subject: Re: Posted Email Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 23:43:00 GMT Message-Id: <4b2a8s$6ct@crash.microserve.net> References: <4akb1e$4kf@nyx10.cs.du.edu> <4akoo4$idm@hudson.lm.com> <4ar5k3$82a@news.orst.edu> Lloyd Wood wrote: >On 15 Dec 1995, John Stanley wrote: > >> Since email is not USENET > >Untrue! Then kindly explain the existance of RFC822 and RFC1036. Tell me why smail cannot handle my Usenet feed. Tell me why inews fails to pass my email. Tell me if you have ever administered a system dealing with both email and Usenet. -- Dave Ratcliffe dave@frackit.com Harrisburg, Pa. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 22 22:37:02 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01882; Fri, 22 Dec 95 22:37:02 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27453; Fri, 22 Dec 95 22:33:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27447; Fri, 22 Dec 95 22:33:44 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tTNSM-00038IC; Fri, 22 Dec 95 22:29 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Lloyd Wood Subject: Re: Posted Email Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 09:19:00 +0000 Message-Id: References: <4akb1e$4kf@nyx10.cs.du.edu> <4akoo4$idm@hudson.lm.com> <4ar5k3$82a@news.orst.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4ar5k3$82a@news.orst.edu> On 15 Dec 1995, John Stanley wrote: > Since email is not USENET Untrue! L. but then, I use Pine and believe in mail-and-post. Lloyd Wood, CSER Networks Group, University of Surrey, +44 1483 300800 x3435 netboy From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 22 22:37:46 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01930; Fri, 22 Dec 95 22:37:46 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28705; Fri, 22 Dec 95 22:33:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28699; Fri, 22 Dec 95 22:33:46 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tTNSN-00038KC; Fri, 22 Dec 95 22:29 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Lloyd Wood Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 17 Dec 1995 09:57:39 GMT Message-Id: <4b0pij$rm9@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> <4amijh$5l@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> <4anac8$ch4@news.orst.edu> <4aqfim$bae@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> <4asep3$qe8@news.orst.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) wrote: > Please >explain why an RFC-822 compliant mail agent is going to know about >headers that are not defined for mail. Pine does. Any integrated mail agent/newsreader ought to. Usenet and email are converging. >I have. That is why I have a proposed RFC already written. Where? >But it isn't an RFC yet, and you are speaking in the present tense. >That means you think there is an answer NOW. Tell us all what the answer >NOW is. Not what you think should be created. > >By the way, get a mailer that understands permanent failure result codes >in SMTP. Sorry, that's not high on my list of Things I look for in Mailers. L. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 22 22:44:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02050; Fri, 22 Dec 95 22:44:06 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28697; Fri, 22 Dec 95 22:33:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28691; Fri, 22 Dec 95 22:33:42 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tTNSJ-00038EC; Fri, 22 Dec 95 22:29 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Lloyd Wood Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 16 Dec 1995 21:10:09 GMT Message-Id: <4avcjh$pe4@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> <4aapbu$rcd@hustle.rahul.net> <4akpjs$m5n@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> <4an9vp$cfo@news.orst.edu> <4aqghk$bae@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> <4atnrd$56f@hustle.rahul.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rahul Dhesi wrote: > >People often adopt many behaviors because they like doing certain >things to others which they do not necessarily want to have done to >themselves. I confess I am tempted to harrass you to death by sending >you in email an exact copy of every posting I ever make to Usenet You're welcome to send me in email an exact copy of every posting you make replying to any posting I ever make on Usenet. L. note, that's EXACT copy. Headers and all. >"please ignore Dhesi" -- Mark Crispin From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 23 01:28:18 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04966; Sat, 23 Dec 95 01:28:18 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01160; Sat, 23 Dec 95 01:19:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01154; Sat, 23 Dec 95 01:19:09 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tTQ5z-00038KC; Sat, 23 Dec 95 01:18 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Re: Changing the indent prefix Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 20:10:20 -0500 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Wed, 20 Dec 1995, Bobby Sukumar wrote: : Is it possible to change the indent prefix from the '>' default. I use : Pine 3.91 for mail as well as news, and when I try to post a reply : shorter than the original, I get a posting error. This problem does not seem to be one of Pine as such, but some message handlers. : The workaround I have is to manually change the '>' to something different, : and the posting goes thru properly. Can this be done automatically without : changing the source ? Yes. About a month and a half ago I posted the following workaround. Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 12:04:34 -0500 From: Paul O Bartlett Newsgroups: comp.mail.pine Subject: Re: Reply without ">" chars On 7 Nov 1995 michael.joswig@hamburg.netsurf.de wrote: | As far as I recall it, this is a define in the sources. So only recompiling can change this. | On 7 Nov 1995, Daniel Barton wrote: | | > Here's one I haven't figured out, is there a way to reply to a note | > and not have pine add ">" characters at the beginning of the line? | > | > Thanks, Daniel It may not be necessary to recompile Pine, *IF* you are using Unix Pine. I use the shell script below to change the '>' characters to something else when I wish to. This technique works provided you are not already using the alternate editor feature of Pine. To use it, go into Config and enable-alternate-editor. For the alternate editor, specify the shell script. Then just invoke Ctrl-_ to make the change. I am not a sed expert (I got this from someone else), but I suppose you could easily change it to _delete_ the leading '>' rather than just substitute for it. Paul -------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett P. O. Box 857 Vienna, VA 22183-0857 U.S.A. Finger, keyserver, or email for PGP 2.6 public key -------------------------------------------------- #!/bin/csh -f # Above line may be changed for an appropriate shell. # For use on Un*x and Un*x-like systems only. # Change the character(s) in the second set of double quotes # to the desired mail/post-quoting character(s) (after # the second slash). Note that spaces are significant # within each pair of double quotes. sed s/"^> "/"| "/g < $1 > ~/pico.$$ cat ~/pico.$$ > $1 rm ~/pico.$$ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 23 01:29:13 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05003; Sat, 23 Dec 95 01:29:13 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29758; Sat, 23 Dec 95 01:19:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29752; Sat, 23 Dec 95 01:19:05 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tTQ3H-00038EC; Sat, 23 Dec 95 01:15 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 17 Dec 1995 19:10:26 GMT Message-Id: <4b1pv2$bnt@news.orst.edu> References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> <4aqfim$bae@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> <4asep3$qe8@news.orst.edu> <4b0pij$rm9@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> In article <4b0pij$rm9@info-server.surrey.ac.uk>, Lloyd Wood wrote: >stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) wrote: >> Please >>explain why an RFC-822 compliant mail agent is going to know about >>headers that are not defined for mail. > >Pine does. Learn to read. I said "mail agent", not "news agent", and I asked "why", not "which ones". >Any integrated mail agent/newsreader ought to. Well, learn to read. I didn't say "combined agent", I said "mail agent". Any agent that handles news should know about news headers, but that isn't the question I asked, now is it? >Usenet and email are converging. Not here. Tell me why my mail agent has to know about news headers. >>I have. That is why I have a proposed RFC already written. > >Where? Well, I wrote it here, but it was posted in the newsgroup where it was appropriate. >>But it isn't an RFC yet, and you are speaking in the present tense. >>That means you think there is an answer NOW. Tell us all what the answer >>NOW is. Not what you think should be created. And your present-day solution was? You apparently forgot to answer this part, despite leaving it in. >>By the way, get a mailer that understands permanent failure result codes >>in SMTP. > >Sorry, that's not high on my list of Things I look for in Mailers. Yes, I can understand that RFC compliance is not important to you. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 23 01:54:03 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05624; Sat, 23 Dec 95 01:54:03 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00192; Sat, 23 Dec 95 01:45:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00186; Sat, 23 Dec 95 01:45:23 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tTQSr-00038EC; Sat, 23 Dec 95 01:42 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Russ Allbery Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 22 Dec 1995 22:12:54 -0800 Message-Id: References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> <4asep3$qe8@news.orst.edu> In-Reply-To: alan@papaioea.manawatu.planet.org.nz's message of 23 Dec 1995 In news.admin.misc, Alan Brown writes: > Integrated news/mail readers have existed for years in the UUCP world and > don't show any signs of confusing their users. Agreed. I use an integrated mail/news reader. The problem isn't with the theory. The problem is with Pine. It doesn't clearly and unequivocally separate mail from news. -- Russ Allbery (rra@cs.stanford.edu) http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~rra/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 23 02:23:47 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06013; Sat, 23 Dec 95 02:23:47 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01916; Sat, 23 Dec 95 02:19:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01910; Sat, 23 Dec 95 02:19:11 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tTQzs-00038EC; Sat, 23 Dec 95 02:16 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ohollare.med.som.ohsu@ohsu.edu Subject: Printing a composed Message Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 17:54:01 GMT Message-Id: Does anyone know how to print a message that has been composed but not sent yet? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 23 02:50:29 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06297; Sat, 23 Dec 95 02:50:29 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02195; Sat, 23 Dec 95 02:45:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02189; Sat, 23 Dec 95 02:45:31 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tTRMq-00038IC; Sat, 23 Dec 95 02:39 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: riffer@freenet2.freenet.ufl.edu (Jeff Mercer) Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 23 Dec 1995 09:33:59 GMT Message-Id: <4bgie7$2ld@huron.eel.ufl.edu> References: <4bbesv$4ve@huron.eel.ufl.edu> Mark Crispin wrote: >On 22 Dec 1995, John Stanley wrote: >>If the best is a crude approximation, then how do you claim that it is >>"done right"? >Because 3.92 does not do the crude approximation based on where the >message *may* be stored. 3.92 does a better analysis of the header. Erm well, that was sort of one of the things I was planning on doing. >>I have yet to see any definition for this term "anti-false", so I guess >>you can claim it works right no matter what it does. >Anti-falsing refers to the rejection of a Newsgroups: header line in a >message header if the header does not otherwise conform to a standard of a >message that has been posted. The presence of a "Path:" header is part of >the test, but not the only test. *blink blink* I don't see why you'd need to look any further... No Path, it's not a news message. It sure as HELL isn't a standard news message if it has no Path. And that's all that should matter. >Anti-falsing has been designed so that it errs on the side of assuming >that a message has *not* been posted (that is, that the Newsgroups: header >line is bogus). It should never err and assume that a message was posted >when it was not. Right. >At the same time, it preserves mail/news integration, including support of >messages that are both posted and mailed (and recognition of such). *sigh* Is it at least possible for individual sites to choose whether this feature is enabled? I personally would love to disable it for our system. riffer@afn.org : "Yeah. Think we'll have to send his big toe to a shrink?" Jeff The Riffer : Drifter... : Homo Postmortemus : From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 23 02:50:40 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06325; Sat, 23 Dec 95 02:50:40 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00886; Sat, 23 Dec 95 02:45:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00880; Sat, 23 Dec 95 02:45:29 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tTRMP-00038EC; Sat, 23 Dec 95 02:39 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: riffer@freenet2.freenet.ufl.edu (Jeff Mercer) Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 23 Dec 1995 09:33:55 GMT Message-Id: <4bgie3$2lb@huron.eel.ufl.edu> Mark Crispin wrote: >On 21 Dec 1995, Jeff Mercer wrote: >>As I said, I would alter PINE to ignore Newsgroups: lines in mail messages. >>Not in news messages. >>While it's not possible to detect if a message received in Email was also >>posted to a Usenet newsgroup, it's fairly simple for PINE to internally know >>if the user is reading a mail folder or a newsgroup. >This is what I'm trying to tell you. It isn't possible. The best that >you can do is a crude approximation, and there are cases in which it won't >work. Well unless it's illegal, I see no reason not to try. Why else distribute the source? If I can't make it work, *shrug* >3.92 will be coming out soon; it fixes the cause of accidental postings >and it does it right. Why not wait until it's out. I can. Why not hack on 3.91 while I'm waiting? I certainly won't let our users run it unless its functional. >>>The correct action is to anti-false the Newsgroups: header, which has been >>>done in Pine 3.92. >>Is this currently available? >Pine 3.92 will come out Real Soon Now. We can't make any promises yet. That's fine. But that definately means I'm going to see what I can do with 3.91 in the meantime. We have 10,000+ users, most of which are pretty ignorant of the Internet, and I want to minimize the problems that can happen by them not understanding the difference between news and mail... >However, the "to-do" list is getting shorter. In case it isn't obvious, >it will be a major new release. Cool. I really do love PINE. It's all I use for mail. People ridicule me for not using Elm... They laughed at me... Well I'll show them! I'll make them all pay! AHAHAHAHAHA!! *ahem* Sorry. riffer@afn.org : "No, it can't be! It can't be!!" Jeff The Riffer : "What did you do Ray?!" Drifter... : "...It's the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man..." Homo Postmortemus : --Ghostbusters From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 23 02:51:35 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06358; Sat, 23 Dec 95 02:51:35 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00897; Sat, 23 Dec 95 02:45:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00888; Sat, 23 Dec 95 02:45:33 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tTRMR-00038HC; Sat, 23 Dec 95 02:39 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: riffer@freenet2.freenet.ufl.edu (Jeff Mercer) Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 23 Dec 1995 09:33:58 GMT Message-Id: <4bgie6$2lc@huron.eel.ufl.edu> References: Mark Crispin wrote: >On 22 Dec 1995, Tony Iannotti wrote: >>On Fri, 22 Dec 1995, Nico van der Horn wrote: >>>>Q: Please email me your reply, as I don't read this newsgroup. >>>>A: What an arrogant jerk! >>>What an unfrendly reaction if the other party has no Usenet access ! >>How would they have posted the request if they had no access? I suppose they >>could have asked a friend to post, but then the address would have to be >>entered by hand, and in that case I guess it's reasonable. Still, usually >>questions that are appropriate to a newsgroup would have answers from which >>other people reading the newsgroup would benefit. >True. But why should the person who asked the question be expected to >read thousands of messages in the newsgroup to find the single answer, or >otherwise be forced to filter out all the unwanted messages? I think that >it's awfully parochial to insist that someone must subscribe to a >newsgroup in order to ask any questions. The difference is between saying "Hey, I have a question but I can't be bothered to actually read this group, just email the answer", which *is* rather rude and presumtious and somewhat arrogant, and something such as "I have a question but I don't reguarlly read this group. If someone could be so kind as to reply in Email I'd really appreacite it! Thank!". And as pointed out, it's also nice to post a summary. SHaring and all that. For example, I asked about a particular .MOD on alt.binaries.sounds.mod and received a variety of responses, all polite. Mostly because my request was phrased politely, *and* because I said I'd post the .MOD once I found it! (Haven't yet, darn it.) P.S. It's possible to post to a Usenet newsgroup even if you don't have news access, thanks to Email gateways. But it's important to indicate this in a request and still offer to post results... P.P.S. It's also important to check FAQ's and such first. riffer@afn.org : NetDOOM: Reach out and Crush someone! Jeff The Riffer : Drifter... : Homo Postmortemus : From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 23 05:33:48 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09252; Sat, 23 Dec 95 05:33:48 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03051; Sat, 23 Dec 95 05:24:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03045; Sat, 23 Dec 95 05:24:34 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tTTs9-00038HC; Sat, 23 Dec 95 05:20 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: root%bwrob@smartt.com (root) Subject: Pine3.91 Linux won't post? Date: 22 Dec 1995 03:53:42 GMT Message-Id: <4bda46$24n@ktk2.smartt.com> Hi. Pine3.91 will freez if I try to post to any news group. Linux 1.3.45. Any idea why? Thanks bob bwrob@smartt.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 23 05:35:11 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09286; Sat, 23 Dec 95 05:35:11 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04368; Sat, 23 Dec 95 05:24:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04362; Sat, 23 Dec 95 05:24:32 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tTTs9-00038EC; Sat, 23 Dec 95 05:20 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 19:52:40 -0800 Message-Id: References: <4bbesv$4ve@huron.eel.ufl.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4bbesv$4ve@huron.eel.ufl.edu> On 21 Dec 1995, Jeff Mercer wrote: > As I said, I would alter PINE to ignore Newsgroups: lines in mail messages. > Not in news messages. > While it's not possible to detect if a message received in Email was also > posted to a Usenet newsgroup, it's fairly simple for PINE to internally know > if the user is reading a mail folder or a newsgroup. This is what I'm trying to tell you. It isn't possible. The best that you can do is a crude approximation, and there are cases in which it won't work. 3.92 will be coming out soon; it fixes the cause of accidental postings and it does it right. Why not wait until it's out. > >The correct action is to anti-false the Newsgroups: header, which has been > >done in Pine 3.92. > Is this currently available? Pine 3.92 will come out Real Soon Now. We can't make any promises yet. However, the "to-do" list is getting shorter. In case it isn't obvious, it will be a major new release. -- Mark -- DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 23 05:46:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09427; Sat, 23 Dec 95 05:46:54 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04574; Sat, 23 Dec 95 05:39:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04568; Sat, 23 Dec 95 05:39:34 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tTU95-00038HC; Sat, 23 Dec 95 05:37 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: alan@papaioea.manawatu.planet.org.nz (Alan Brown) Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 23 Dec 1995 18:23:59 +1300 Message-Id: <4bg3pf$c51@papaioea.manawatu.gen.nz> References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> <4asep3$qe8@news.orst.edu> <4b0pij$rm9@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> <4b6tb9$iic@xivic.ruhr.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <4b6tb9$iic@xivic.ruhr.de>, Wolfgang Schelongowski wrote: >In <4b0pij$rm9@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> Lloyd Wood writes: > >>Any integrated mail agent/newsreader ought to. > >Shouldn't exist. Confuses it's users. Integrated news/mail readers have existed for years in the UUCP world and don't show any signs of confusing their users. -- "But you can't say they have arrived to classify your nervous lies What's right, what's not, what may not be. Don't try your tricky tests on me For I won't live in fear my friend - that every day could be my end" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 23 08:54:41 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11471; Sat, 23 Dec 95 08:54:41 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05416; Sat, 23 Dec 95 08:46:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05410; Sat, 23 Dec 95 08:46:11 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tTX37-00038HC; Sat, 23 Dec 95 08:43 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 23 Dec 1995 07:08:02 GMT Message-Id: References: <4bbesv$4ve@huron.eel.ufl.edu> <4bdpn7$e83@news.orst.edu> In article , Mark Crispin wrote: >On 22 Dec 1995, John Stanley wrote: >> >This is what I'm trying to tell you. It isn't possible. The best that >> >you can do is a crude approximation, and there are cases in which it won't >> >work. >Because 3.92 does not do the crude approximation based on where the >message *may* be stored. 3.92 does a better analysis of the header. You told the person who was going to implement it himself that the best he could do is a crude approximation. You told him what he wanted to do wasn;t possible. If he can't do an analysis of the header to do it right, why can you? >Anti-falsing refers to the rejection of a Newsgroups: header line in a >message header if the header does not otherwise conform to a standard of a >message that has been posted. The presence of a "Path:" header is part of >the test, but not the only test. SOmething that Pine should have been doing from the moment it tried to be a newsreader. >At the same time, it preserves mail/news integration, including support of >messages that are both posted and mailed (and recognition of such). This is good. How do you plan on doing this? Consider that mailed copies of posted articles often contain NO indication that they were posted, and posted copies of articles whihc were also mailed often contain NO indictaion that they were also mailed. You aren't, I hope, creating some Pine kludge that puts all sorts of news headers in mail so Pine can detect things, and then claim that every other mailer is broken because it doesn't understand the way Pine does it, are you? Will you support the proposed RFC for Posted-To:, and wait until it is adopted before running off and doing it your own way? >There are several important functionalities which have been declared for >the first Pine 4, which 3.92 does not have. Some of these, such as a >hierarchical folder browser, require IMAP4 support which won't be in 3.92 Funny. I have mail tools which allow hierarchical folder browsing, and they don't know anything about IMAP. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 23 11:51:15 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14440; Sat, 23 Dec 95 11:51:15 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07988; Sat, 23 Dec 95 11:45:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from gp.magick.net by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07982; Sat, 23 Dec 95 11:45:21 -0800 Received: by gp.magick.net (Linux Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0tTZsd-000x9xC; Sat, 23 Dec 95 11:45 PST Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 11:45:18 -48000 From: Gerhard Tank Subject: mail retrieval To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Cc: rsurroz@gp.magick.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have a problem. PINE unfortunately does not respond to queries because of its tremendous acceptance. I use pine as my email server. The Naval Academy also uses pine. A Naval Cadet is home for the holidays and would like to retrieve his important messages from his email address via the internet without repeated use of long distance lines. Is it possible. Any help appreciated. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 23 12:17:16 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14822; Sat, 23 Dec 95 12:17:16 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09507; Sat, 23 Dec 95 12:10:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09501; Sat, 23 Dec 95 12:10:18 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tTaC8-00038HC; Sat, 23 Dec 95 12:05 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 23 Dec 95 14:34:54 GMT Message-Id: References: Mark Crispin writes: >On 22 Dec 1995, Tony Iannotti wrote: >> On Fri, 22 Dec 1995, Nico van der Horn wrote: >> > > Q: Please email me your reply, as I don't read this newsgroup. >> > > A: What an arrogant jerk! >> > What an unfrendly reaction if the other party has no Usenet access ! >> How would they have posted the request if they had no access? I suppose they >> could have asked a friend to post, but then the address would have to be >> entered by hand, and in that case I guess it's reasonable. Still, usually >> questions that are appropriate to a newsgroup would have answers from which >> other people reading the newsgroup would benefit. >True. But why should the person who asked the question be expected to >read thousands of messages in the newsgroup to find the single answer, or >otherwise be forced to filter out all the unwanted messages? I think that >it's awfully parochial to insist that someone must subscribe to a >newsgroup in order to ask any questions. I will go back to the analogy of a crowded room. The person who is unfamiliar with the group should either hang around and figure out what the social rules of the crowd are and what has brought the group together. It is extremely boorish to barge into the room, saying "I do not have time to waste getting to know/know about you people, but I insist that someone stop what they are doing and tell me how to solve my problem. I am not going to hang around long enough to let you explain it to me, so I want you to write up the solution and find an envelope and go out to the post office and mail it to my home. I wrote the address on a slip of paper and you will have to pick it up off the floor somewhere over there." These jerks are usually asking a FAQ that has been discussed at least twice that week anyway. If they would hang around for about three days they would usually find the answer. I think such people should be excoriated by all and sundry. >Sometimes, it is the case that a person needs to ask a question about a >particular topic that normally she is not interested in. The obvious >thing to do is to check at the newsgroup devoted to that topic. It is >unreasonable to expect her to search through thousands of messages for an >answer. With a proper news reader the task of screening 1000's of messages is not all that time consuming. I use nn, which allows me to rapidly search all the headers in a newsgroup and tag those messages that I am interested in for reading. nn has no peer that I know of in this regard. All the others I have tried require me to constantly go back and forth between the Subject headers menu and reading articles, which is wasted motion. Many newbies use readers that have easy-to-use features that severely limit a knowledgeable user's ability to get things done. >If the newsgroup has an easy-to-find FAQ, it may be a good idea to check >there, but all too often the FAQ is not in evidence. Unless the site >supports a threaded database, even the act of scanning the subjects of the >newsgroup for "FAQ" can be time-consuming. There needs to be a standard for news readers that makes it difficult for someone to post without being assaulted with the FAQ. >This is an excellent example where it would be reasonable for the reply to >be directed both by news and by email. I post the answer and mail to the user if they want the answer they are going to have to go back and read the group. >Typical example: > % post comp.sys.blurdybloop > Subject: can Blurdybloop computers support Garply protocol? > Hello. Our site is migrating to Garply protocol. Most of our > machines are Gazork systems, but we have one Blurdybloop system > installed years ago that handles our payroll. Is it possible > to get Garply protocol support on Blurdybloop computers? > Please reply by email, since I don't normally read this newsgroup. >You may claim that it's her fault for not reading comp.sys.blurdybloop for >the past several years, thus knowing about the very active discussion of >Garply support that took place six months ago. But most human beings find What about 2 or 3 days ago, which means it is still in the news spool on her server, if she would bother to search through the messages. >themselves obliged to concentrate their attention on what they do every >day; in this case, she's reading comp.sys.gazork. >Why not just answer "Check the FAQ file, ftp://blurdybloop.com/FAQ"? >That's what happens in most civilized newsgroups. The FAQ's need to be easier to access from the newsreader, both for the newbie and for the poster who wants to double-check the FAQ before saying "It is in the FAQ." >-- Mark -- >DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" >Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)810-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Web admin: chimera,nn,tin,jove,kermit - free's best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 23 13:10:55 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15932; Sat, 23 Dec 95 13:10:55 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09066; Sat, 23 Dec 95 13:05:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09060; Sat, 23 Dec 95 13:05:23 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tTb5v-00038HC; Sat, 23 Dec 95 13:03 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Chenyang Xu Subject: Re: Urgent help needed Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 14:45:02 -0500 Message-Id: <30DC5C3E.167E@mashie.ece.jhu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To all those people who helped with my "lost" mail problem, Thank you all for your prompt helps. This is the best Christmas gift I ever get. According to many experts' suggestions, I did find my mail under ~/Mail/received which elm created when I quit from elm. The major difference here between pine and elm as many experts pointed out is that pine and elm use different mail directory. Elm use ~/Mail and pine use ~/mail. So I recovered all my received mails and reply them just on time to all my friends. Thanks a lot! . . . + . . . . . . # . . . . ### . . . . . "#:. .:##"##:. .:#" . . . . "####"###"####" . . "#:. .:#"###"#:. .:#" . . . . "#########"#########" . . . . "#:. "####"###"####" .:#" . . . . "#######""##"##""#######" . ."##"#####"#####"##" . . . "#:. ... .:##"###"###"##:. ... .:#" . . "#######"##"#####"##"#######" . . . . "#####""#######""#####" . . . " 000 " . . . . . 000 . . . .. .. ..................O000O........................ .. ... ... * 1 9 9 6 * W I S H I N G Y O U A M E R R Y C H R I S T M A S A N D A H A P P Y N E W Y E A R -- Chenyang \\|// (o o) --------------------------ooO-(_)-Ooo---------------------------------- (o) 410-516-6819 | Fax:410-516-5566 chenyang@jhu.edu | http://iacl.ece.jhu.edu/~chenyang _________________________________________________________ / Image Analysis and Communication Lab / / Department of the Electric and Computer Engineering / / The Johns Hopkins University / / Baltimore, MD 21218 / ======================================================================= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 23 13:28:44 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16112; Sat, 23 Dec 95 13:28:44 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09319; Sat, 23 Dec 95 13:25:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09313; Sat, 23 Dec 95 13:25:28 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tTbOp-00038IC; Sat, 23 Dec 95 13:22 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jgvd@guava.epix.net (Jonathan and DearOldDad) Subject: Re: Pine won't post? Date: 22 Dec 1995 07:03:36 GMT Message-Id: <4bdl88$3qg@guava.epix.net> References: <4bd9gs$1uu@ktk2.smartt.com> root (root@) wrote: nothing ... but I think he was trying to figure out why he couldn't post. You need a valid address, and 'root@' will not fly. Hey look at the bright side guys, at least I can't post and e-mail a reply to this one. Have a nice day. BYE. ;-) /\ /~\/\/\ /\ /\ /\ |>> John (aka DearOldDad) /\ \/\/ / / \/\/ \/\/\/ \/ \/\|Fore! Pocono Mtns PA USA EARTH/__\/_/__/_/___/email_jgvd@epix.net_|_____ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 23 13:30:34 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16159; Sat, 23 Dec 95 13:30:34 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10516; Sat, 23 Dec 95 13:25:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10510; Sat, 23 Dec 95 13:25:26 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tTbOp-00038HC; Sat, 23 Dec 95 13:22 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rogue The Bronze Firelizard Subject: Filter progs and other inboxes Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 22:47:25 +1300 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII does any one have any filter progs for Unix that can read (or could be modified to read) address in the to: and cc: lines? and suves these into other inbokes (or failing that other folders)? e-mail of this would be abresated, though I plan on checking the group reguarly thanx .' '. Rogue the I*Nxp Bronze Fireliard \\ . . \ \ a.k.a Gerald F Grenier Jr. \ \ o o \ \ "I want total sensory depraveation and backup drugs!" \ . \/ \/ \ \ -AbFab \/ , . \\ GRENIER_G@KOSMOS.WCC.GOVT.NZ ' ,. '( .\\ (Rogue@golem.wcc.govt.nz does /not/ exist) //``\\ . | \ ~~~~~'''''~''''''~~~\~ ---- (( Http://www.sans.vuw.ac.nz/~rogue \\ )) V From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 23 14:20:00 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16851; Sat, 23 Dec 95 14:20:00 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11108; Sat, 23 Dec 95 14:15:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11102; Sat, 23 Dec 95 14:15:31 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tTcBQ-00038HC; Sat, 23 Dec 95 14:12 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Ernie Bailey Subject: Spell causes screen problems, please help. Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 12:40:22 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am using Pine with ispell, and when I call the spell program, it trashes the screen. Anyone got any sort of help for this? E Bailey From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 23 14:20:03 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16863; Sat, 23 Dec 95 14:20:03 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09962; Sat, 23 Dec 95 14:15:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09956; Sat, 23 Dec 95 14:15:32 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tTcDV-00038IC; Sat, 23 Dec 95 14:15 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Philip Plant Subject: Pine for Vax/VMS Date: 22 Dec 1995 12:13:07 GMT Message-Id: <4be7cj$3n1@yama.mcc.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, I understand that there is a version of Pine available for Vax/VMS systems, and would be interested if anybody knows where I might obtain the code. Archie points to ftp.ias.wa.waw.pl, however this site has always been unreachable when I attempt to contact it. If there is anyone around who has experience in installing Archie on VMS, I'd really like to hear from you! Cheers, Philip Plant, Computer Officer, Silsoe College. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 23 14:20:43 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16922; Sat, 23 Dec 95 14:20:43 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11116; Sat, 23 Dec 95 14:15:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11110; Sat, 23 Dec 95 14:15:34 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tTcDV-00038KC; Sat, 23 Dec 95 14:15 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Philip Plant Subject: Pine for Vax/VMS Date: 22 Dec 1995 12:13:46 GMT Message-Id: <4be7dq$3n1@yama.mcc.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, I understand that there is a version of Pine available for Vax/VMS systems, and would be interested if anybody knows where I might obtain the code. Archie points to ftp.ias.wa.waw.pl, however this site has always been unreachable when I attempt to contact it. If there is anyone around who has experience in installing Archie on VMS, I'd really like to hear from you! Cheers, Philip Plant, Computer Officer, Silsoe College. Email P.T.Plant@herts.ac.uk P.T.Plant@silsoe.cranfield.ac.uk From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 23 16:04:01 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17988; Sat, 23 Dec 95 16:04:01 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11128; Sat, 23 Dec 95 15:55:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11122; Sat, 23 Dec 95 15:55:43 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tTdlf-00038HC; Sat, 23 Dec 95 15:54 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pegboy@gti.gti.net (++ Pegboy ++) Subject: Re: Urgent help needed Date: 23 Dec 1995 17:27:54 -0500 Message-Id: <4bhvpa$fje@gti.gti.net> References: <30DB1A2A.167E@mashie.ece.jhu.edu> Glad it worked! :) -- pegboy@gti.net # pbm@grex.cyberspace.org # http://www.gti.net/pegboy pbmax@ungabunga.com # pegboy@m-net.arbornet.org # yeah, dats it! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 23 17:36:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19606; Sat, 23 Dec 95 17:36:23 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12446; Sat, 23 Dec 95 17:30:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12440; Sat, 23 Dec 95 17:30:57 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tTfDT-00038IC; Sat, 23 Dec 95 17:27 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pegboy@gti.gti.net (++ Pegboy ++) Subject: Re: Attach file from my C:\ drive Date: 23 Dec 1995 17:34:39 -0500 Message-Id: <4bi05v$g9i@gti.gti.net> References: <4bh9qo$h7n@sue.cc.uregina.ca> I think thats the only way you can do it, is to upload to the Uni... But, I may be wrong.....:) -- pegboy@gti.net # pbm@grex.cyberspace.org # http://www.gti.net/pegboy pbmax@ungabunga.com # pegboy@m-net.arbornet.org # yeah, dats it! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 23 17:36:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19608; Sat, 23 Dec 95 17:36:23 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13565; Sat, 23 Dec 95 17:30:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13557; Sat, 23 Dec 95 17:30:55 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tTfDB-00038HC; Sat, 23 Dec 95 17:26 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: showie@uoguelph.ca (Steve Howie) Subject: Re: runaway pine processes eat cpu Date: 20 Dec 1995 14:50:32 GMT Message-Id: <4b97ro$r5r@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> References: <4b68or$5e@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> Mike Brudenell (pmb1@mailer.york.ac.uk) wrote: : On 19 Dec 1995, Jenny Barna wrote: : : > We have occasional problems with pine 3.89 on IRIX 5.2 where users' : > PCs etc hang while in a pine session. Later, the sysadmin notices : > pine processes consuming vast amounts of cpu. : ... [SNIP!] ... : > Has anyone any idea what to do about this, including : > possibly a suitable process-killing daemon or else code alterations? : : Sure thing... try upgrading to the current version of Pine! : : We, too, had the occasional problem with runaway Pine 3.89 sessions. The : problem, as far as I recall, was a small bug in the C-client library of : routines (the problem also affected imapd's as well I think). : : However, after Piune 3.89 came 3.90, followed by the current 3.91. : Indeed, this has been around for a _long_ time now (a year or so) and is : well worth the upgrade. : I also found if you are running Unix Pine 3.91, and start it on a screen where for some reason the environment variables LINES and COLUMNS set to wierd values such as LINES=1 and COLUMNS=1, or LINES =231 and COLUMNS=231, then Pine will Loop when it tries to open the main screen. This can be a problem on HP systems, because the command 'ttytype' is busted under certain circumstances. -- Scotty ================================================================= Steve Howie Email: showie@uoguelph.ca NetNews and Gopher Admin. Phone: (519) 824-4120 x2556 Computing and Communications Svcs. Fax: (519) 763-6143 University of Guelph If it's not Scottish its CRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPP ================================================================= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 23 18:25:13 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20377; Sat, 23 Dec 95 18:25:13 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14233; Sat, 23 Dec 95 18:21:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14227; Sat, 23 Dec 95 18:21:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tTg2O-00038HC; Sat, 23 Dec 95 18:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Dudley Ames Subject: Re: Printing a composed Message Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 19:05:00 -0600 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: [mailed and posted] In the version I use (3.91), when you save a msg you are writing (have written), by using ^O (Postpone), a temp file (folder) called postponed-msgs is created. Open that folder through your folder list, as you would any other folder and print the msg. Hope this helps. Merry Christmas. ......................................................... . Dudley Ames Psychology Department . . University of Arkansas [Clinical Ph.D. Program] . . Fayetteville, AR 72701 e-mail: dames@comp.uark.edu . ......................................................... On Fri, 22 Dec 1995 ohollare.med.som.ohsu@ohsu.edu wrote: ] Does anyone know how to print a message that has been composed but not ] sent yet? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 23 20:30:21 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21615; Sat, 23 Dec 95 20:30:21 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14648; Sat, 23 Dec 95 20:26:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14642; Sat, 23 Dec 95 20:26:15 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tThy4-00038IC; Sat, 23 Dec 95 20:23 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: michaels@ritz.mordor.com (Michael Smith) Subject: Re: mail retrieval References: Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 21:53:33 GMT Message-Id: Gerhard Tank (gtank@magick.net) wrote: : I have a problem. PINE unfortunately does not respond to queries because : of its tremendous acceptance. : I use pine as my email server. The Naval Academy also uses pine. A Naval : Cadet is home for the holidays and would like to retrieve his important : messages from his email address via the internet without repeated use of : long distance lines. Is it possible. Any help appreciated. Sure. Using your account, he can use the "telnet" coommand. In your shell, type "telnet your.cadet's.domain" and press RETURN. Then follow the prompts for login and password. That should get him on his system. (Make note of the escape character, which is usually "^]" in case you get stuck.) At his system prompt, type PINE and read away. Hope this helps. -- ''' (o o) ------------------------------------------ooO--(_)--Ooo---------- Michael Smith From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 23 20:44:04 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21826; Sat, 23 Dec 95 20:44:04 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15871; Sat, 23 Dec 95 20:41:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15865; Sat, 23 Dec 95 20:41:16 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tTiEy-00038HC; Sat, 23 Dec 95 20:40 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lowe@arrow.netis.com Subject: automatic carbon copy to myself Message-Id: Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 12:34:56 GMT Is there a way to set up the configuration to receive automatic carbon copy to myself? In other words, can you have pine fill in the 'Cc:' line with you address automatically? -mike- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 23 20:50:49 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22055; Sat, 23 Dec 95 20:50:49 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14934; Sat, 23 Dec 95 20:47:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14928; Sat, 23 Dec 95 20:47:33 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tTiFS-00038HC; Sat, 23 Dec 95 20:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lowe@arrow.netis.com Subject: automatic carbon copy to yourself Message-Id: Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 12:34:56 GMT Is there a way to set up the configuration file to get automatic copy to yourself when you send a message? In other words, can you have pine fill in the 'Cc:' line filled with your address automatically. Mike From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 23 21:14:33 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22409; Sat, 23 Dec 95 21:14:33 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16230; Sat, 23 Dec 95 21:11:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16222; Sat, 23 Dec 95 21:11:20 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tTigj-00038HC; Sat, 23 Dec 95 21:09 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 22 Dec 1995 16:31:36 GMT Message-Id: <4bemh8$kun@hustle.rahul.net> References: <4bbesv$4ve@huron.eel.ufl.edu> In Mark Crispin writes, about getting pine to ignore the Newsgroups header in email but not in News postings: >It isn't possible. The best that >you can do is a crude approximation, and there are cases in which it won't >work. Why is this so? A number of people have been wondering for a while and it would be useful to know why the best you can do is a crude approximation. >> >The correct action is to anti-false the Newsgroups: header, which has been >> >done in Pine 3.92. "anti-false" means "true", does it not? -- Rahul Dhesi == "...Mark Crispin has the good sense to not blather away in newsgroups..." -- Wayne Hathaway From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 23 21:29:36 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22650; Sat, 23 Dec 95 21:29:36 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15464; Sat, 23 Dec 95 21:26:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15458; Sat, 23 Dec 95 21:26:21 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tTivM-00038HC; Sat, 23 Dec 95 21:24 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hans.rimbach@hdi.fzk.de Subject: Pine on CRAY Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 11:59:30 +0100 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, i tried to compile pin3.91 on a CRAY J916 with UNICOS 8.0.x Tried several makefiles (osf.bsd. sv4 ....). It failed, of course. Is there anyone who worked it out? Thanx in advance for solutions hjr From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 23 21:39:17 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22788; Sat, 23 Dec 95 21:39:17 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16529; Sat, 23 Dec 95 21:36:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16523; Sat, 23 Dec 95 21:36:22 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tTj5p-00038HC; Sat, 23 Dec 95 21:35 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ucr@shellx.best.com (Charles Liu) Subject: pine does not recognize terminal type Date: 23 Dec 1995 15:25:43 -0800 Message-Id: <4bi35n$qih@shellx.best.com> From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 23 22:05:50 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23134; Sat, 23 Dec 95 22:05:50 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15926; Sat, 23 Dec 95 22:02:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15920; Sat, 23 Dec 95 22:02:40 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tTjR3-00038HC; Sat, 23 Dec 95 21:57 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 23 Dec 1995 18:16:40 -0600 Message-Id: <4bi658$7ed@Mercury.mcs.com> References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> <4an9vp$cfo@news.orst.edu> <4aqghk$bae@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> <4asg4f$r4k@news.orst.edu> In article <4asg4f$r4k@news.orst.edu>, John Stanley wrote: >>Scan some newsgroups, and make a note of the number of people who >>request information by email. > >So? There will always be rude people who think newsgroups were created >as their personal answer source, who can't imagine that anyone else >might be interested in knowing the answer to the question they asked, or >that might have a better answer or a correction to an answer that is >wrong. If you aren't motivated to provide an answer to such questions, then don't. That's simple enough. But if you are going to go to the trouble to make a reply is it too much extra work for you to send a copy the way they asked? Most newsreaders provide exactly the mechanism you need, and for good reason. And if you feel that others on the newsgroup would like to see your response it is equally easy to send a copy there at the same time, for equally good reasons. >That doesn't make dumping duplicate copies of articles into people's >mailboxes because you are too lazy to notice that they weren't asked for >correct behaviour. That remains a matter of opinion. >I suppose you can show me where I asked YOU to send ME copies of >everything you post? No? Then why are you doing it? Many people like receiving email copies, and it is normal for reasonable people to think that other reasonable people will share their preferences. Often this is untrue, but it is normal... >>If mail-and-post isn't desirable behaviour, why are so many people >>adopting it? > >Because they are sheep? Because they think that, since their spiffy >newsreader allows them to do it, it must be a spiffy thing to do? Or >maybe they are just obnoxious twits who think they have the right to >harass people by email. Or they think that if you send out something with your return address on it you are interested in receiving replies. If you aren't, hmmm... >>If they respond by mail-and-post, I am much more likely to reply >>and continue the thread. > >You can't "continue the thread" by replying to mail. There isn't >sufficient information in a mail header to allow that. Indeed, this is a problem, and the one that should be fixed. This could also fix the problem of not being able to tell if the message was also posted. >>With mail-and-post, they're still in the loop. > >In a loop that they may not want to be in. And, in your example, a loop >they have chosen not to be in. So, what you are saying is, "God damn it, >you WILL see my reply even if you don't want to, because I think my >reply is SO damned important I will send it to you personally, even when >you tell me not to." If you don't want a reply, why not stop posting? Or keep your email address off of it? Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 23 22:57:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23768; Sat, 23 Dec 95 22:57:20 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17421; Sat, 23 Dec 95 22:47:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17415; Sat, 23 Dec 95 22:47:46 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tTk9C-00038HC; Sat, 23 Dec 95 22:43 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Including Another Message When Composing Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 20:01:37 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII (I use Unix Pine 3.91.) From time to time when I am composing a message or reply, I want to include another message from some folder as part of what I am composing. At present, I have to postpone the composed message, open the folder, export the other message to a temporary external file, go back into the composer, and read in (Ctrl-R) the temporary file (and remember later to delete the temporary). This works, certainly, but it is a little clumsy. Has anyone come up with a smoother technique for this, such as a shell script or a Perl program? If anyone has a good technique they are willing to share, I will put in in my World Wide Web page, where I already have a couple of useful Pine techniques. Thanks. Paul -------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett P. O. Box 857 Vienna, VA 22183-0857 U.S.A. Finger, keyserver, or WWW for PGP 2.6.2 public key URL: http://www.access.digex.net/~pobart -------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 24 00:05:48 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24676; Sun, 24 Dec 95 00:05:48 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17329; Sat, 23 Dec 95 23:56:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17323; Sat, 23 Dec 95 23:56:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tTlFq-00038HC; Sat, 23 Dec 95 23:54 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: Including Another Message When Composing Date: 24 Dec 95 02:12:39 GMT Message-Id: References: Paul O Bartlett writes: > (I use Unix Pine 3.91.) > From time to time when I am composing a message or reply, I want to >include another message from some folder as part of what I am composing. >At present, I have to postpone the composed message, open the folder, >export the other message to a temporary external file, go back into the >composer, and read in (Ctrl-R) the temporary file (and remember later to >delete the temporary). This works, certainly, but it is a little clumsy. > Has anyone come up with a smoother technique for this, such as a >shell script or a Perl program? If anyone has a good technique they >are willing to share, I will put in in my World Wide Web page, where I >already have a couple of useful Pine techniques. Thanks. This may not be what you want, but I frequently make a series of messages, usually from people asking me the same sorts of questions, and do an aggregate reply, or aggregate forward. Once they are marked, I do a zoom, unselect any messages I do not want, and type , or >Paul >-------------------------------------------------- >Paul O. Bartlett >P. O. Box 857 Vienna, VA 22183-0857 U.S.A. >Finger, keyserver, or WWW for PGP 2.6.2 public key > URL: http://www.access.digex.net/~pobart >-------------------------------------------------- -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)810-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Web admin: chimera,nn,tin,jove,kermit - free's best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 24 09:21:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03187; Sun, 24 Dec 95 09:21:54 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24418; Sun, 24 Dec 95 09:12:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24412; Sun, 24 Dec 95 09:12:54 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tTtvG-00038LC; Sun, 24 Dec 95 09:09 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 22 Dec 1995 21:55:20 GMT Message-Id: <4bf9g8$fs4@hustle.rahul.net> References: In Mark Crispin writes: >On 22 Dec 1995, Tony Iannotti wrote: >> > > Q: Please email me your reply, as I don't read this newsgroup. >> > > A: What an arrogant jerk! ... >But why should the person who asked the question be expected to >read thousands of messages in the newsgroup to find the single answer, or >otherwise be forced to filter out all the unwanted messages? **** Wrong model. **** When reading Usenet News, you do not read thousands of postings to find the single answer, or filter out unwanted messages. Your *select* the *one subject heading* that contains the answer. There is a difference between selecting and filtering out. You 'filter out' some things that you never want to see, e.g., postings from specific people, or specific subjects you never want to see. You 'select' whatever you do want to see, e.g., the specific subject heading under which you posted the inquiry. "Post and email" fails badly because in its usual mode of operation the email may be sent to the wrong person. For example: A posts an inquiry. B posts a follow-up. C follows up to B. D follows up to B. E follows up to A. If each person does "post and email" in its usual mode of operation, A will get responses only from B and E, but not from C and D. Thus A will need to browse Usenet himself to see all the responses. If he does, he will see some things (from B and E) twice and others (from C and D) only once. This is confusing. -- Rahul Dhesi == "...Mark Crispin has the good sense to not blather away in newsgroups..." -- Wayne Hathaway From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 24 09:21:55 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03189; Sun, 24 Dec 95 09:21:55 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25643; Sun, 24 Dec 95 09:12:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25637; Sun, 24 Dec 95 09:12:52 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tTtvG-00038KC; Sun, 24 Dec 95 09:09 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 22 Dec 1995 21:21:33 GMT Message-Id: <4bf7gt$d4r@hustle.rahul.net> References: <4bbesv$4ve@huron.eel.ufl.edu> <4bdpn7$e83@news.orst.edu> In Mark Crispin writes: >Anti-falsing has been designed so that it errs on the side of assuming >that a message has *not* been posted (that is, that the Newsgroups: header >line is bogus). Mark seems to be assuming that any Newsgroups header in email is bogus. This assumption is incorrect. Such a header may be considered to be bogus if it appears in email and the email was NOT sent in response to a posting that appeared in the newsgroups listed in the Newsgroups header. -- Rahul Dhesi == "...Mark Crispin has the good sense to not blather away in newsgroups..." -- Wayne Hathaway From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 24 09:23:11 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03253; Sun, 24 Dec 95 09:23:11 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24410; Sun, 24 Dec 95 09:12:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24404; Sun, 24 Dec 95 09:12:50 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tTtvF-00038IC; Sun, 24 Dec 95 09:09 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 13:05:48 -0800 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On 22 Dec 1995, Tony Iannotti wrote: > On Fri, 22 Dec 1995, Nico van der Horn wrote: > > > Q: Please email me your reply, as I don't read this newsgroup. > > > A: What an arrogant jerk! > > What an unfrendly reaction if the other party has no Usenet access ! > How would they have posted the request if they had no access? I suppose they > could have asked a friend to post, but then the address would have to be > entered by hand, and in that case I guess it's reasonable. Still, usually > questions that are appropriate to a newsgroup would have answers from which > other people reading the newsgroup would benefit. True. But why should the person who asked the question be expected to read thousands of messages in the newsgroup to find the single answer, or otherwise be forced to filter out all the unwanted messages? I think that it's awfully parochial to insist that someone must subscribe to a newsgroup in order to ask any questions. Sometimes, it is the case that a person needs to ask a question about a particular topic that normally she is not interested in. The obvious thing to do is to check at the newsgroup devoted to that topic. It is unreasonable to expect her to search through thousands of messages for an answer. If the newsgroup has an easy-to-find FAQ, it may be a good idea to check there, but all too often the FAQ is not in evidence. Unless the site supports a threaded database, even the act of scanning the subjects of the newsgroup for "FAQ" can be time-consuming. This is an excellent example where it would be reasonable for the reply to be directed both by news and by email. Typical example: % post comp.sys.blurdybloop Subject: can Blurdybloop computers support Garply protocol? Hello. Our site is migrating to Garply protocol. Most of our machines are Gazork systems, but we have one Blurdybloop system installed years ago that handles our payroll. Is it possible to get Garply protocol support on Blurdybloop computers? Please reply by email, since I don't normally read this newsgroup. You may claim that it's her fault for not reading comp.sys.blurdybloop for the past several years, thus knowing about the very active discussion of Garply support that took place six months ago. But most human beings find themselves obliged to concentrate their attention on what they do every day; in this case, she's reading comp.sys.gazork. Why not just answer "Check the FAQ file, ftp://blurdybloop.com/FAQ"? That's what happens in most civilized newsgroups. -- Mark -- DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 24 09:23:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03263; Sun, 24 Dec 95 09:23:23 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25635; Sun, 24 Dec 95 09:12:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25629; Sun, 24 Dec 95 09:12:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tTtv5-00038HC; Sun, 24 Dec 95 09:09 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Chenyang Xu Subject: Urgent help needed Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 15:50:50 -0500 Message-Id: <30DB1A2A.167E@mashie.ece.jhu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, there Just a moment ago. I use the elm to open my mailbox. After I quit, I use pine to open it, but all my mails are lost. I think I may press 'n' when I quit the elm. All the mails are very important to me. Some of them I need to reply today. I really hope any expert who can help me recover my mails. I know it's little hope but I still wish ... Thank you very much! Please e-mail your answer to me! -- Chenyang \\|// (o o) --------------------------ooO-(_)-Ooo---------------------------------- (o) 410-516-6819 | Fax:410-516-5566 chenyang@jhu.edu | http://iacl.ece.jhu.edu/~chenyang _________________________________________________________ / Image Analysis and Communication Lab / / Department of the Electric and Computer Engineering / / The Johns Hopkins University / / Baltimore, MD 21218 / ======================================================================= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 24 11:20:57 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05206; Sun, 24 Dec 95 11:20:57 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27268; Sun, 24 Dec 95 11:13:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27262; Sun, 24 Dec 95 11:13:04 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tTvna-00038HC; Sun, 24 Dec 95 11:09 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: orpend@leroy.cc.uregina.ca (Darrel Orpen) Subject: Attach file from my C:\ drive Date: 23 Dec 1995 16:13:12 GMT Message-Id: <4bh9qo$h7n@sue.cc.uregina.ca> I have a shell connection to the local university so all my activity is done on its computer with me downloading files into my system. I'm wondering what the procedure is for me to attach a small text file which is on my c:\ drive to email messages I send using the Pine program the university has setup on its system (Unix operating system). It appears I have to upload the file into the university's directories for Pine to find the file. Is there an easier way and what are the procedures required to attach that file on my local computer to the email sent from the shell account? Darrel orpend@leroy.cc.uregina.ca From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 24 11:33:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05360; Sun, 24 Dec 95 11:33:12 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26143; Sun, 24 Dec 95 11:23:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26137; Sun, 24 Dec 95 11:23:05 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tTvwH-00038HC; Sun, 24 Dec 95 11:18 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Russ Allbery Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 22 Dec 1995 16:32:14 -0800 Message-Id: References: <4bbesv$4ve@huron.eel.ufl.edu> In-Reply-To: Mark Crispin's message of Fri, 22 Dec 1995 12:31:16 -0800 In news.admin.misc, Mark Crispin writes: > Anti-falsing refers to the rejection of a Newsgroups: header line in a > message header if the header does not otherwise conform to a standard of a > message that has been posted. The presence of a "Path:" header is part of > the test, but not the only test. And what about newsreaders that (correctly) let inews generate the Path: header? Of course we already know that Pine doesn't like working with standard Unix software, given that it tries to take over sendmail's job and bypass the From: rewrite rules. -- Russ Allbery (rra@cs.stanford.edu) http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~rra/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 24 14:22:08 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07910; Sun, 24 Dec 95 14:22:08 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29593; Sun, 24 Dec 95 14:14:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29587; Sun, 24 Dec 95 14:14:41 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tTydP-00038HC; Sun, 24 Dec 95 14:11 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ag786@yfn.ysu.edu (Barry Bouwsma) Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 23 Dec 1995 14:01:56 GMT Message-Id: <4bh24k$lsv@news.ysu.edu> References: <4bgie7$2ld@huron.eel.ufl.edu> <4bbesv$4ve@huron.eel.ufl.edu> In a previous article, riffer@freenet2.freenet.ufl.edu (Jeff Mercer) says: >I don't see why you'd need to look any further... No Path, it's not a news >message. It sure as HELL isn't a standard news message if it has no Path. >And that's all that should matter. Odd. I can use IMAP to read from an IMAP4 server and get news messages which I export to a file, which are news messages without full headers. I think it's also possible to save a message without full headers, and certainly one can use tools other than Pine to save messages which are later referred to by Pine with IMAP2bis. I'd say that these are still news messages even when they have no Path: header. Maybe you want to delve into the details of IMAP to see how the traditional distinction between mail and news is becoming increasingly blurred in a distributed environment. I view Pine more as a power tool for the latter, with its IMAP support, and I don't even use it as a replacement for a read-the-local-spool mail or news program. If that's what you use it for, you're really missing out on the benefits it has to offer. Remember, the whole world is not NNTP and /var/spool/mail , and many sites are moving away from this as it fails to meet their needs. I'm posting this only to comp.mail.pine . I feel it has no real reason to be introduced into the other groups where this thread can be found. -- Barry Bouwsma, Mendel University Brno, Czech Republic -- I Still Have No Life Flash! Seeking work with computers over winter in Czech or Slovak Republic... (or Austria, Switzerland, Germany...) send offers to This sig is five lines long. Check your newsreader configuration if you do not From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 24 14:57:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08309; Sun, 24 Dec 95 14:57:20 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28849; Sun, 24 Dec 95 14:51:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28843; Sun, 24 Dec 95 14:51:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tTz9A-00038HC; Sun, 24 Dec 95 14:44 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: automatic carbon copy to myself Date: 23 Dec 95 13:55:46 GMT Message-Id: References: lowe@arrow.netis.com writes: >Is there a way to set up the configuration to receive automatic carbon >copy to myself? In other words, can you have pine fill in the 'Cc:' line >with you address automatically? The default for pine is to save your outgoing mail in ~/mail/sent-mail, unless the site-wide conf file has it turned off. >-mike- -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)810-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Web admin: chimera,nn,tin,jove,kermit - free's best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 24 16:46:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09517; Sun, 24 Dec 95 16:46:23 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00248; Sun, 24 Dec 95 16:40:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ntcs-ip7.uchicago.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00236; Sun, 24 Dec 95 16:40:14 -0800 Received: (from john@localhost) by zaphod.planetx.us (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA11047; Sun, 24 Dec 1995 18:40:12 -0600 Date: Sun, 24 Dec 1995 18:40:12 -0600 (CST) From: John L Ross Reply-To: John L Ross To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: unsubscribe Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII unsubscribe ----------------------------- Malefacere qui vult, numquam non causam invenit. --- Publilius Syrus "He who wishes to do evil, never lacks a reason." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 24 19:31:03 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11847; Sun, 24 Dec 95 19:31:03 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03394; Sun, 24 Dec 95 19:21:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03388; Sun, 24 Dec 95 19:21:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tU3NG-00038HC; Sun, 24 Dec 95 19:14 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: caradoc@neta.com (Santa ) Message-Id: Control: cancel <4bkk5h$9ai@news1.goodnet.com> Subject: cmsg cancel <4bkk5h$9ai@news1.goodnet.com> Date: Mon, 25 Dec 1995 07:50:00 KST UDP SPAM cancelled by jem@xpat.postech.ac.kr. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 24 21:23:51 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13200; Sun, 24 Dec 95 21:23:51 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03384; Sun, 24 Dec 95 21:15:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03378; Sun, 24 Dec 95 21:15:37 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tU5CE-00038HC; Sun, 24 Dec 95 21:11 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Timothy J. Luoma" Subject: Re: sent-mail Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 16:15:34 -0500 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Wed, 20 Dec 1995, Michael Pohl wrote: > I want pine automatically to put sentmails to different folders according > to the name of the person i sent the mail to. In elm there is a > possibility to do this, does anyone know whether this is possible in pine > too? > pohl@mathematik.uni-wuerzburg.de Sure, but it does require a little setup. When you setup an email alias for the person (take their address) you can setup their own personal FCC. TjL -- Timothy J. Luoma "I'm deperate, I've got a glass and I can't find a coaster... Then a thought comes to mind... I search frantically through the mail and there it is... another @$%#&! AOL disk.... Finally a place to put down my drink." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 25 00:17:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15243; Mon, 25 Dec 95 00:17:23 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06720; Mon, 25 Dec 95 00:07:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06714; Mon, 25 Dec 95 00:07:15 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tU7sO-00038HC; Mon, 25 Dec 95 00:03 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 24 Dec 1995 00:40:05 GMT Message-Id: <4bi7h5$eal@hustle.rahul.net> References: <4bgie7$2ld@huron.eel.ufl.edu> <4bbesv$4ve@huron.eel.ufl.edu> <4bh24k$lsv@news.ysu.edu> In <4bh24k$lsv@news.ysu.edu> ag786@yfn.ysu.edu (Barry Bouwsma) writes: >>No Path, it's not a news >>message. It sure as HELL isn't a standard news message if it has no Path. >Odd. I can use IMAP to read from an IMAP4 server and get news >messages which I export to a file, which are news messages without >full headers. I think it's also possible to save a message without >full headers, and certainly one can use tools other than Pine to save >messages which are later referred to by Pine with IMAP2bis. I'd say >that these are still news messages even when they have no Path: header. Minus the Path header, one gets a very nonstandard News message. Since there is no good definition for a 'nonstandard News message', one enters a no-man's land, which is always risky. I believe your analysis is wrong. 1. The fact that an IMAP server gives you "nonstandard" News postings with incomplete headers proves nothing about News postings. Rather, it proves something about the IMAP server or the IMAP protocol. The IMAP protocol as currently implemented is not suitable for Usenet browsing. A client reading Usenet via IMAP may get false information, because the IMAP design includes no mechanism to distinguish between News and email. The workaround for this is to treat anything obtained via IMAP as email. If might have been originally News, but it has been converted to email. Post no followups to it. This solves all problems and minimizes confusion. The long-term solution will be to revise the IMAP protocol so it can properly tell the difference. 2. In general, if a message has no Path header, it should be treated as email. Post no followups to it. The designers of IMAP may have made some fundamental errors of concept similar to the errors made by the designers of pine. News is not email, and software designed to lose the information that preserves this distinction may fail to work properly when it encounters Usenet postings or when it encounters email messages that contain a Newsgroups header. BTW, I hear some people saying roughly "News vs email is a protocol issue. If you ignore the underlying protocol there is no distinction between News and email." I believe these people are missing the distinction between lower-level transport and networking protocols (e.g. TCP/IP vs ISO) and high-level applications-level protocols (e.g. UUCP vs NNTP vs SMTP) and still higher level "applications" themselves (e.g. email vs News). They are assuming that everything occurs at just a single layer called 'the protocol' and that there is no difference between News and email except for the difference at this (incorrect) level of abstraction. >Maybe you want to delve into the details of IMAP to see how the >traditional distinction between mail and news is becoming increasingly >blurred in a distributed environment. You seem to be saying, in effect, that IMAP discards information, and so everybody else should do the same thing. I have seen a tendency, lately, for a number of people to say "xxx software can't tell the difference between News and email, so there is no difference." This conclusion is wrong! If xxx software cannot tell the difference, it just means that xxx software is broken. Ignoring the difference does not make the difference go away. It takes no great stretch of imagination to hear the same people saying "xxx software can't tell the difference between protons and electrons, so there is no difference", or "xxx software can't tell the difference between men and women, so there is no difference", and so on. -- Rahul Dhesi == "...Mark Crispin has the good sense to not blather away in newsgroups..." -- Wayne Hathaway From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 25 01:51:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17075; Mon, 25 Dec 95 01:51:42 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06677; Mon, 25 Dec 95 01:45:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06671; Mon, 25 Dec 95 01:44:58 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tU9Pp-00038HC; Mon, 25 Dec 95 01:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Bob Nielsen Subject: Pine and POP3 Date: 23 Dec 1995 14:12:09 -0700 Message-Id: <4bhrb9$r5k@nntp3.news.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I saw some messages recently about using Pine with POP3. Pine won't directly talk to a pop server, but if you use a pop client to retrieve messages, they can be read with Pine and Pine can also be used to post mail. I use it regularly with popclient under Linux. Bob -- ----------- Bob Nielsen Internet: nielsen@primenet.com Tucson, AZ AMPRnet: w6swe@w6swe.ampr.org http://www.primenet.com/~nielsen AX.25: w6swe@wb7tls.az.usa.noam From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 25 02:17:47 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17373; Mon, 25 Dec 95 02:17:47 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08303; Mon, 25 Dec 95 02:10:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08297; Mon, 25 Dec 95 02:10:02 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tU9oo-00038HC; Mon, 25 Dec 95 02:07 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: peter@nmti.com (Peter da Silva) Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 25 Dec 1995 04:59:47 GMT Message-Id: <4blb43$1v8@zuul.nmti.com> References: <49vgqd$5h6@zuul.nmti.com> <4ba0aj$n6d@huron.eel.ufl.edu> In article , Mark Crispin wrote: > On 20 Dec 1995, Jeff Mercer wrote: > > I personally and intending on altering the source for the implimentation of > > PINE on Alachua Freenet so that Newsgroups: lines in the header of a mail ^^^^ > > message are completely ignored, which is of course RFC compliant. ^^^^^^^ > If you do that, then users won't be able to post followups when they are > reading news. ^^^^ I think there's a fundamental communication problem here. -- Peter da Silva (NIC: PJD2) `-_-' 1601 Industrial Boulevard Bailey Network Management 'U` Sugar Land, TX 77487-5013 +1 713 274 5180 "Har du kramat din varg idag?" USA Bailey pays for my technical expertise. My opinions probably scare them From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 25 07:16:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21970; Mon, 25 Dec 95 07:16:23 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10745; Mon, 25 Dec 95 07:10:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10739; Mon, 25 Dec 95 07:10:36 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tUEV9-00038HC; Mon, 25 Dec 95 07:07 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Pine, rimapd, and UnixWare... Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 16:02:12 -0800 Message-Id: References: <4a6hrp$18c@news.ysu.edu> <4b17fo$ptn@news.ysu.edu> <4b7e49$d3b@nn.fast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4b7e49$d3b@nn.fast.net> On 19 Dec 1995, Michael J Matthews wrote: > SYSV remote shell used to be called remsh NOT resh. I guess that has been > Berkleyized to rsh. I wonder what happened to SV restricted shell (rsh)? Hmm. I have HP-UX and SVR2 using /usr/bin/remsh; and PTX and SVR4 using /usr/bin/resh. SVR2 is represented by an ATT Unix PC (3B1 or 7300); I'm not sure what SVR4 represents. Other interesting ones are /usr/bin/restsh on Data General, /usr/bin/rsh on AIX on PowerPC, Altos, BSDI, ICL DRS/NX, Linux, NetBSD, SGI, and Solaris; /bin/rsh on AIX on RT; and /usr/bin/rcmd on SCO. Everything else is /usr/ucb/rsh. Much of this information is hearsay, and needs to be taken with a grain of salt. -- Mark -- DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 25 07:36:10 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22196; Mon, 25 Dec 95 07:36:10 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12283; Mon, 25 Dec 95 07:30:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12277; Mon, 25 Dec 95 07:30:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tUEpC-00038HC; Mon, 25 Dec 95 07:28 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: perry@vishnu.alias.net (John Perry) Subject: PGP MIME types? Date: 20 Dec 1995 20:32:02 GMT Message-Id: <4b9rs2$55r@gryphon.phoenix.net> Has anyone come up with a working .mailcap call to pgp to handle PGP-type messages with MIME headings similar to the following: Application/X-PGP-MESSAGE (and other similar types) I realize that PGP does not yet have an accepted MIME definition, but surely there is a call that can be made to pgp and added to personal MIME definition files to handle these situations. -- John Perry - KG5RG - perry@vishnu.alias.net - PGP-encrypted e-mail welcome! Packet Radio - KG5RG@WA4IMZ.#SETX.TX.USA.NA WWW - http://www.alias.net PGP 2.62 key for perry@vishnu.alias.net is on the keyservers. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 25 13:32:41 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26636; Mon, 25 Dec 95 13:32:41 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15963; Mon, 25 Dec 95 13:23:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15957; Mon, 25 Dec 95 13:23:44 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tUKIM-00038HC; Mon, 25 Dec 95 13:18 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tgrock@zeus.towson.edu (Douglas Rockwell) Subject: Re: Including Another Message When Composing Date: 25 Dec 1995 20:56:43 GMT Message-Id: <4bn36b$iim@sol.towson.edu> References: I hve an even more annoying problem-- I use a dial-up shell account. When reading my mail, often I would like to reply by sending a file that exists on my Macintosh. It is tedious to quit PINE, Zmodem the file to the Unix box, open pine again, & then attach the file. Oh, I forgot converting it to a neutral ASCII format so if the recipient is using a computer that's too stupid to recognize Mac format files he will be able to read it... Any way to get PINE to burrow backwards & zmodem a specified filename? Doug From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 25 17:06:11 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29330; Mon, 25 Dec 95 17:06:11 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19796; Mon, 25 Dec 95 16:47:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19790; Mon, 25 Dec 95 16:47:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tUNUX-00038HC; Mon, 25 Dec 95 16:43 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: fourqurean@aol.com (Fourqurean) Subject: Terminal definition Date: 25 Dec 1995 19:32:28 -0500 Message-Id: <4bnfqs$q40@newsbf02.news.aol.com> I have a SCO system and recently obtained Gunther Anderson's port of Pine for SCO Unix 3.2.4. Everything works fine, except when we use a couple of non-standard terminal types that I know exist in our Terminfo library. Pine says that it doesn't know about the terminal types. Does Pine use Terminfo or Termcap? Or maybe internal terminal definitions? A reply to E-mail would be appreciated, since I'm new to NewsGroups. Thanks, Bill Fourqurean From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 25 18:42:34 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00571; Mon, 25 Dec 95 18:42:34 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21278; Mon, 25 Dec 95 18:36:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from udgserv.cencar.udg.mx by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21272; Mon, 25 Dec 95 18:36:04 -0800 Received: by udgserv.cencar.udg.mx (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29950; Mon, 25 Dec 95 20:35:20 CST Date: Mon, 25 Dec 95 20:35:20 CST From: cnath@udgserv.cencar.udg.mx ( Charles Nath Ennis) Message-Id: <9512260235.AA29950@udgserv.cencar.udg.mx> To: Pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Bugged-up COMPOSE When I try to continue an interrupted COMPOSE, I get thrown out of Pine with a "bug" message. I am connected to a Unix machine at a university; can I find some Pine file in my personal directory which I can erase to make the program forget the COMPOSE? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 25 23:46:57 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03794; Mon, 25 Dec 95 23:46:57 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23224; Mon, 25 Dec 95 23:38:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23218; Mon, 25 Dec 95 23:38:41 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tUTtv-00038HC; Mon, 25 Dec 95 23:34 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: alan@papaioea.manawatu.planet.org.nz (Alan Brown) Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 26 Dec 1995 20:23:09 +1300 Message-Id: <4bo7st$apo@papaioea.manawatu.gen.nz> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article , R. Stewart Ellis wrote: > >The FAQ's need to be easier to access from the newsreader, both for the >newbie and for the poster who wants to double-check the FAQ before saying >"It is in the FAQ." A decently maintained news server sets eexpiry on *answers* in excess of 40 days, and respects the "Expires:" header in FAQ postings. Of course there are innnumerable badly maintained servers which are pressed for space and have cut purge/*answers* retention to a few days. :( AB -- "But you can't say they have arrived to classify your nervous lies What's right, what's not, what may not be. Don't try your tricky tests on me For I won't live in fear my friend - that every day could be my end" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 26 00:19:47 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04191; Tue, 26 Dec 95 00:19:47 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25213; Tue, 26 Dec 95 00:12:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25207; Tue, 26 Dec 95 00:12:25 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tUUSM-00038HC; Tue, 26 Dec 95 00:09 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: alan@papaioea.manawatu.planet.org.nz (Alan Brown) Subject: Re: Changing the indent prefix Date: 26 Dec 1995 20:36:32 +1300 Message-Id: <4bo8m0$b3n@papaioea.manawatu.gen.nz> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article , Bobby Sukumar wrote: > >Is it possible to change the indent prefix from the '>' default. I use >Pine 3.91 for mail as well as news, and when I try to post a reply >shorter than the original, I get a posting error. The quick answer is "edit more savagely" Your news admin has chosen to enforce a 50% quoting rule. >The workaround I have is to manually change the '>' to something different, >and the posting goes thru properly. Can this be done automatically without >changing the source ? Be glad Zie hasn't added the server patches which deal with people changing the quote character.... AB -- "But you can't say they have arrived to classify your nervous lies What's right, what's not, what may not be. Don't try your tricky tests on me For I won't live in fear my friend - that every day could be my end" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 26 06:53:03 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10444; Tue, 26 Dec 95 06:53:03 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00133; Tue, 26 Dec 95 06:45:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from Farstar.secapl.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00125; Tue, 26 Dec 95 06:45:56 -0800 Received: from fozzie.secapl.com (Fozzie.secapl.com [192.131.46.3]) by Farstar.secapl.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA16096; Tue, 26 Dec 1995 08:39:49 -0600 Received: by fozzie.secapl.com id AA93731 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4); Tue, 26 Dec 1995 09:47:09 -0500 Date: Tue, 26 Dec 1995 09:47:07 -0500 (EST) From: Tony Iannotti To: Mark Crispin Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 22 Dec 1995, Mark Crispin wrote: > On 22 Dec 1995, Tony Iannotti wrote: > > How would they have posted the request if they had no access? I suppose they > > could have asked a friend to post, but then the address would have to be > > entered by hand, and in that case I guess it's reasonable. Still, usually > > questions that are appropriate to a newsgroup would have answers from which > > other people reading the newsgroup would benefit. > > True. But why should the person who asked the question be expected to > read thousands of messages in the newsgroup to find the single answer, or > otherwise be forced to filter out all the unwanted messages? I think that > it's awfully parochial to insist that someone must subscribe to a > newsgroup in order to ask any questions. I don't have any trouble wading through large newsgroups and finding answers, because I have this great newsreader that lets me search headers for ones that match the uestion I posted. It's called pine. > Sometimes, it is the case that a person needs to ask a question about a > particular topic that normally she is not interested in. The obvious > thing to do is to check at the newsgroup devoted to that topic. It is > unreasonable to expect her to search through thousands of messages for an > answer. Pine makes it pretty easy, why is it unreasonable? > If the newsgroup has an easy-to-find FAQ, it may be a good idea to check > there, but all too often the FAQ is not in evidence. Unless the site > supports a threaded database, even the act of scanning the subjects of the > newsgroup for "FAQ" can be time-consuming. Not with pine it's not. Use the "w" key to find words in which you are interested. > This is an excellent example where it would be reasonable for the reply to > be directed both by news and by email. There are situations in which I agree with you, but there are situations where it should not be necesary. On the other hand, it's the owner of the mailbox that is asking for it to be stuffed, so why should I mind? ;-) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 26 09:08:27 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13790; Tue, 26 Dec 95 09:08:27 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02309; Tue, 26 Dec 95 09:03:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02303; Tue, 26 Dec 95 09:03:01 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tUclE-00038IC; Tue, 26 Dec 95 09:02 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Re: Bugged-up COMPOSE Date: Tue, 26 Dec 1995 11:59:12 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <9512260235.AA29950@udgserv.cencar.udg.mx> On 25 Dec 1995, Charles Nath Ennis wrote: > When I try to continue an interrupted COMPOSE, I get thrown out of Pine with a "bug" message. I am connected to a Unix machine at a university; can I find some Pine file in my personal directory which I can erase to make the program forget the COMPOSE? In your mail directory (where Pine puts its folders), look for a folder named "postposed-msgs" or something like that. (By the way, your post came across, at least to my reader, as one single, continuous line.) Paul ---------------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett, P.O. Box 857, Vienna, VA 22183-0857, USA Finger, keyserver, or WWW for PGP 2.6.2 public key Home Page: URL: http://www.access.digex.net/~pobart From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 26 09:13:19 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13937; Tue, 26 Dec 95 09:13:19 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00815; Tue, 26 Dec 95 09:03:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00809; Tue, 26 Dec 95 09:02:59 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tUckY-00038HC; Tue, 26 Dec 95 09:01 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Re: Including Another Message When Composing Date: Tue, 26 Dec 1995 11:56:23 -0500 Message-Id: References: <4bn36b$iim@sol.towson.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4bn36b$iim@sol.towson.edu> On 25 Dec 1995, Douglas Rockwell wrote (excerpt): > I hve an even more annoying problem-- I use a dial-up shell account. > When reading my mail, often I would like to reply by sending a file that > exists on my Macintosh. > It is tedious to quit PINE, Zmodem the file to the Unix box, open pine > again, & then attach the file. Unix Pine (at least version 3.91) does not necessarily require that you quit entirely to upload a file. It may be a compile-time or system-wide configuration option, but the copy of Pine available to my Unix shell account responds to Ctrl-Z to suspend. I can start a composition, suspend Pine, upload a file from my PC to my current Unix directory, resume Pine with the 'fg' (foreground) command, and immediately read in the uploaded file with Ctrl-R. This may not be perfect, but it does not require stopping and restarting Pine, just suspending it and resuming at the point of suspension, only requiring a few keystrokes. As for other computers being too "stupid" to understand Mac format, well, that's life. Some people might say, with equal justification, that Mac is too "stupid" to do things the way other systems do it. There simply is no sufficient standardization for now, and we have to live with that. Paul ---------------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett, P.O. Box 857, Vienna, VA 22183-0857, USA Finger, keyserver, or WWW for PGP 2.6.2 public key Home Page: URL: http://www.access.digex.net/~pobart From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 26 11:30:04 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19237; Tue, 26 Dec 95 11:30:04 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04119; Tue, 26 Dec 95 11:24:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04113; Tue, 26 Dec 95 11:24:44 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tUexV-00038HC; Tue, 26 Dec 95 11:22 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: Including Another Message When Composing Date: 26 Dec 95 19:10:17 GMT Message-Id: References: <4bn36b$iim@sol.towson.edu> Paul O Bartlett writes: >On 25 Dec 1995, Douglas Rockwell wrote (excerpt): >> I hve an even more annoying problem-- I use a dial-up shell account. >> When reading my mail, often I would like to reply by sending a file that >> exists on my Macintosh. >> It is tedious to quit PINE, Zmodem the file to the Unix box, open pine >> again, & then attach the file. > Unix Pine (at least version 3.91) does not necessarily require that >you quit entirely to upload a file. It may be a compile-time or >system-wide configuration option, but the copy of Pine available to my >Unix shell account responds to Ctrl-Z to suspend. > I can start a composition, suspend Pine, upload a file from my PC to >my current Unix directory, resume Pine with the 'fg' (foreground) >command, and immediately read in the uploaded file with Ctrl-R. This >may not be perfect, but it does not require stopping and restarting Pine, >just suspending it and resuming at the point of suspension, only >requiring a few keystrokes. If on is using an error-correcting modem, then the easiest way to insert across the modem is to simply send the text across the link. In the good old days, all comms programs had "text send" options. Also in the good old days, one of the standard ways of sending a file to your host was to open the editor and send the file to the editor. This would be very appropriate way of solving this problem. > As for other computers being too "stupid" to understand Mac format, >well, that's life. Some people might say, with equal justification, that >Mac is too "stupid" to do things the way other systems do it. There >simply is no sufficient standardization for now, and we have to live with >that. There is a standard for text files, a flat file, and Mac is the only system that does not follow it. Line end chars are easily translated. Since Mac is the only one that uses the forked file format, and since it is the responsibility of the sender of a message to make sure the message is received, if the result is important to them, I would say the stupidity resides in the sender who doesn't bother to send in a lang that is understandable to the recipient. >Paul >---------------------------------------------------------- >Paul O. Bartlett, P.O. Box 857, Vienna, VA 22183-0857, USA >Finger, keyserver, or WWW for PGP 2.6.2 public key >Home Page: URL: http://www.access.digex.net/~pobart -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)810-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Web admin: chimera,nn,tin,jove,kermit - free's best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 26 16:23:24 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00543; Tue, 26 Dec 95 16:23:24 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11958; Tue, 26 Dec 95 16:18:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11944; Tue, 26 Dec 95 16:18:49 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tUjVC-00038HC; Tue, 26 Dec 95 16:13 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: riffer@freenet2.freenet.ufl.edu (Jeff Mercer) Subject: Re: Including Another Message When Composing Date: 26 Dec 1995 23:19:29 GMT Message-Id: <4bpvu1$fmc@huron.eel.ufl.edu> References: tgrock@zeus.towson.edu (Douglas Rockwell) wrote: >I hve an even more annoying problem-- I use a dial-up shell account. >When reading my mail, often I would like to reply by sending a file that >exists on my Macintosh. Remind me never to send you mail... "Gee, I think I'll reply by sending a copy of my control panels!" >It is tedious to quit PINE, Zmodem the file to the Unix box, open pine >again, & then attach the file. Might wanna try uploading the file *before* going into PINE. DUH!! >Oh, I forgot converting it to a neutral >ASCII format so if the recipient is using a computer that's too stupid >to recognize Mac format files he will be able to read it... *sigh* A computer is not "stupid" if it doesn't recoginize a proprietary format. Would you like it if I called you stupid because you couldn't speak fluent German, French, Spanish, and Ukranian? >Any way to get PINE to burrow backwards & zmodem a specified filename? Actually, based on what you say your doing, I would strongly recommend using uqwk to read your mail (and news if you so wish) offline with the excellent MacSoup program. Makes it easy to attach files and let's MacGeeks play with all the mac-specific crap they want... riffer@afn.org : One man tells a falsehood, a hundred repeat it as true. Jeff The Riffer : Drifter... : Homo Postmortemus : From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 27 07:25:56 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27386; Wed, 27 Dec 95 07:25:56 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23563; Wed, 27 Dec 95 07:15:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from [147.28.0.34] by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23557; Wed, 27 Dec 95 07:15:27 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tUxUp-00038EC; Wed, 27 Dec 95 07:10 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jes0@netcom.com (Joseph E. Savard) Subject: comp.mail.pine Message-Id: Date: Wed, 27 Dec 1995 14:39:04 GMT Could someone instruct me on forwarding a users mailbox to another id via pine? I believe it has something to do with the .forward file. Any instruction would be appreciated. Thank you, Joseph -- _______________________________________________________________________________ Joseph E. Savard jes0@netcom.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 27 09:12:26 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02323; Wed, 27 Dec 95 09:12:26 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27418; Wed, 27 Dec 95 09:05:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from [147.28.0.34] by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27412; Wed, 27 Dec 95 09:05:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tUzFx-00038DC; Wed, 27 Dec 95 09:03 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lkomisar@echonyc.com (Lucy Komisar) Subject: top/end of page Date: 27 Dec 1995 16:38:15 GMT Message-Id: <4brspn$hct@echo2.echonyc.com> Is there a way while composing a message in pine to go to the top of the file or the end of the file? (Other than using control Y or control V repeatedly.) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 27 10:13:13 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04698; Wed, 27 Dec 95 10:13:13 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27458; Wed, 27 Dec 95 10:05:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27449; Wed, 27 Dec 95 10:05:46 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tV0AR-00038DC; Wed, 27 Dec 95 10:01 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mullaney@fc.hp.com (David Mullaney) Subject: Re: top/end of page Date: 27 Dec 1995 17:52:58 GMT Message-Id: <4bs15q$k4s@fcnews.fc.hp.com> References: <4brspn$hct@echo2.echonyc.com> Lucy Komisar (lkomisar@echonyc.com) wrote: : Is there a way while composing a message in pine to go to the top of the : file or the end of the file? (Other than using control Y or control V : repeatedly.) Thanks for asking a GOOD question (ie., one that I've had :-). You prompted me to investigate, and here are the results: WHEN COMPOSING Press ^w for WHERE then ^y for search for first line or ^v for search for last line WHEN READING Press w for WHERE then ^y for search for first line or ^v for search for last line Three or four keys! Not too bad. -- + DAVID MULLANEY Mailstop #99, Loctn. 1UN5 (970) 229-7629 + + > Net: mullaney@fc.hp.com http://hpfcdn/ -*- fax 2838 + + > Software Engineer -- Ignition/UDL/OSSD /\/\/\ + + > Hewlett-Packard, Ft. Collins, Colorado _-/\^^/ \ + From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 27 10:47:24 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06068; Wed, 27 Dec 95 10:47:24 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29472; Wed, 27 Dec 95 10:35:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29466; Wed, 27 Dec 95 10:35:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tV0g6-00038DC; Wed, 27 Dec 95 10:34 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pauljo@netcom.com (Paul Johnson) Subject: Attachments too long Message-Id: Date: Wed, 27 Dec 1995 18:06:29 GMT Hi All, I am trying to attach a binary file to an outgoing email intended for aol.com, and my mail gets bounced back with a warning that the message is too long. I have read all of the PINE help files and I cannot find a way to tell it to break the message up into chunks. Does such a facility exist? If not, is there a better way (other than suggesting to my clients that they not use aol)? Thanks, Paul -- -- Paul Johnson pauljo@netcom.com 75470.1721@compuserve.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 27 11:11:58 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07496; Wed, 27 Dec 95 11:11:58 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28749; Wed, 27 Dec 95 11:00:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28743; Wed, 27 Dec 95 11:00:49 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tV130-00038DC; Wed, 27 Dec 95 10:57 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mullaney@fc.hp.com (David Mullaney) Subject: Re: Attachments too long Date: 27 Dec 1995 18:52:39 GMT Message-Id: <4bs4ln$k4s@fcnews.fc.hp.com> References: Paul Johnson (pauljo@netcom.com) wrote: : I am trying to attach a binary file to an outgoing email intended for : aol.com, and my mail gets bounced back with a warning that the message is : too long. I have read all of the PINE help files and I cannot find a way : to tell it to break the message up into chunks. Does such a facility : exist? If not, is there a better way (other than suggesting to my : clients that they not use aol)? Is the cover note too long -- or the binary attachment? Try just sending the cover letter. Splitting up the binary and putting it back together is a lot trickier than splitting up a text file. -- + DAVID MULLANEY Mailstop #99, Loctn. 1UN5 (970) 229-7629 + + > Net: mullaney@fc.hp.com http://hpfcdn/ -*- fax 2838 + + > Software Engineer -- Ignition/UDL/OSSD /\/\/\ + + > Hewlett-Packard, Ft. Collins, Colorado _-/\^^/ \ + From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 27 13:13:48 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12657; Wed, 27 Dec 95 13:13:48 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01726; Wed, 27 Dec 95 13:04:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from maze.vsc.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01716; Wed, 27 Dec 95 13:04:14 -0800 Received: by maze.vsc.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/27Sep94-0126PM) id AA14497; Wed, 27 Dec 1995 16:04:25 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Dec 1995 16:04:25 -0500 (EST) From: "Michael H. Martel" To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Override default username for remote folders. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello! How do I override the default username when I access remote folders ? I've got my pinerc configured as thus : # Updated by Pine(tm) 3.91, copyright 1989-1993 University of Washington. incoming-folders=PROBE {probe.vsc.edu}INBOX, blah blah blah All is happy except that I have a different username on some hosts and would like to be able to do something like : incoming-folders=PROBE {probe.vsc.edu/martelm}INBOX, And then only need to enter a password. Is this possible ? Thanks! Michael --------------------------------------------------------------- Michael H. Martel | Vermont State Colleges michael@maze.vsc.edu | Technical Support Specialist http://probe.vsc.edu/~michael | PH:802-241-2535 FX:802-241-3363 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 27 23:28:40 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28219; Wed, 27 Dec 95 23:28:40 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13451; Wed, 27 Dec 95 23:21:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13445; Wed, 27 Dec 95 23:21:35 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tVCd2-00038CC; Wed, 27 Dec 95 23:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pauljo@netcom.com (Paul Johnson) Subject: Re: Attachments too long Message-Id: References: <4bs4ln$k4s@fcnews.fc.hp.com> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 1995 22:11:21 GMT David Mullaney (mullaney@fc.hp.com) wrote: : Paul Johnson (pauljo@netcom.com) wrote: : : I am trying to attach a binary file to an outgoing email intended for : : aol.com, and my mail gets bounced back with a warning that the message is : : too long. I have read all of the PINE help files and I cannot find a way : : to tell it to break the message up into chunks. Does such a facility : : exist? If not, is there a better way (other than suggesting to my : : clients that they not use aol)? : Is the cover note too long -- or the binary attachment? : Try just sending the cover letter. Splitting up the binary and putting : it back together is a lot trickier than splitting up a text file. It is the binary attachment which is too long, once converted via BASE64. Many mailers automatically break up attachments into multiple attachments of a maximum length (e.g. 10,000 bytes) so that they can pass through all possible gateways. I thought perhaps pine could do this too, although I cannot find anything in the docs to confirm or deny this presumption. -- -- Paul Johnson pauljo@netcom.com 75470.1721@compuserve.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 27 23:43:07 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28550; Wed, 27 Dec 95 23:43:07 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15180; Wed, 27 Dec 95 23:36:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15174; Wed, 27 Dec 95 23:36:36 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tVCp1-00038CC; Wed, 27 Dec 95 23:32 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Ron Chesko-Sysadmin Subject: Re: comp.mail.pine Date: Wed, 27 Dec 1995 15:55:56 -0600 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Wed, 27 Dec 1995, Joseph E. Savard wrote: > Could someone instruct me on forwarding a users mailbox to another id > via pine? > > I believe it has something to do with the .forward file. Any > instruction would be appreciated. Just create a file called .forward in the users home directory and put the address you want to forward to in the file. Ron ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ron Chesko, CNA, CNE Systems Engineer Heritage Trail Library System "Most of life's problems can be fixed with Ph.(815)729-3345 x124 a chainsaw." Fax.(815)725-0930 -Bill the Cat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 28 01:08:38 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00390; Thu, 28 Dec 95 01:08:38 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16396; Thu, 28 Dec 95 01:04:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mail.sni.de by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16390; Thu, 28 Dec 95 01:04:38 -0800 Received: (from nerv@localhost) by nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA24854 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Thu, 28 Dec 1995 10:00:31 +0100 Received: from ao5.mow.sni.de (itspc5.mow.sni.de [149.202.148.207]) by itsmx1.mow.sni.de (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA08448 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 1995 12:04:12 +0300 (OET) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 12:04:40 +0300 (EET) From: Andrej Borsenkow Reply-To: borsenkow.msk@sni.de To: Pine Mailing list Subject: Is it possible to save newsgroup list locally? X-Sender: bor@[itsmx1] Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi folks! Is it possible to save newsgroup list from server locally? What I mean, currently when I hit Ctrl-T in Newsgroup header, Pine gets the list from server. Having very slow link, I am forced to wait 4-5 minutes for completion. Is it possible to save the list locally and manually 'refresh' it if necessary (much as Netscape does)? Also is it possible to get a 'hierarchical' view of newsgroups? That is to get a alt.*, comp.* and so on at first level and then descend as necessary? (Again much as Netscape does - I am not much of a fan of Netscape but it has some fine points). If it is not implemented, consider it as Feature request :-) thanks in advance and Happy New Year to you all! ---------------------------------------------------- Andrej Borsenkow E-Mail: borsenkow.msk@sni.de SNI ITS, Moscow Phone: +7 (095) 252 13 88 ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 28 02:42:07 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02087; Thu, 28 Dec 95 02:42:07 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16088; Thu, 28 Dec 95 02:36:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16082; Thu, 28 Dec 95 02:36:58 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tVFeP-00038CC; Thu, 28 Dec 95 02:33 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mraaum@evo.uio.no (Margrete Raaum) Subject: Re: Telling PINE not to stick in a "From:" header. Date: 28 Dec 1995 09:37:23 GMT Message-Id: <4btogj$9ku@ratatosk.uio.no> References: In article , cabal@citadel.umd.edu (Arcadio A. Sincero) writes: > I made a modification to my sendmail.cf file to automatically set >the "From:" header from any email from "cabal" (my Linux box's login >name) to my real email address which is "lotu@wam.umd.edu". You would simplify it by using the same login-name. That way, you could still leave it to pine and the only thing you would have to alter was user-domain=wam.umd.edu (in .pinerc) Mrg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 28 03:47:08 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03392; Thu, 28 Dec 95 03:47:08 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18520; Thu, 28 Dec 95 03:42:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18514; Thu, 28 Dec 95 03:42:05 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tVGf2-00038CC; Thu, 28 Dec 95 03:38 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cabal@citadel.umd.edu (Arcadio A. Sincero) Subject: Telling PINE not to stick in a "From:" header. Date: 28 Dec 1995 03:56:08 GMT Message-Id: Hello, I'm trying to email from my Linux box which accesses the net through a dial-up PPP connection. My Linux box is "citadel.umd.edu". Which of course, doesn't really exist on the 'Net. I made a modification to my sendmail.cf file to automatically set the "From:" header from any email from "cabal" (my Linux box's login name) to my real email address which is "lotu@wam.umd.edu". This works great when I use the regular "mail" program to send email. However, when I compose a message from PINE, it still puts in the "From:" header: "cabal@citadel.umd.edu". I was told by somebody that the problem is that PINE is putting in a "From:" header itself instead of letting sendmail do it. How do I tell PINE not to put in a "From:" header and let sendmail do it? Thanks! ============================================================================== Arcadio Alivio Sincero, Jr. Sophmore, Computer Science Major at the University of Maryland at College Park Send all replies to: lotu@wam.umd.edu email: lotu@wam.umd.edu www: "Save the whales .... collect the whole set!" ============================================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 28 04:02:49 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03652; Thu, 28 Dec 95 04:02:49 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17103; Thu, 28 Dec 95 03:57:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17097; Thu, 28 Dec 95 03:57:06 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tVGu5-00038CC; Thu, 28 Dec 95 03:53 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pucho@netcom.com (Marcos Rubinstein) Subject: Re: Confirmation of e-mail delivery? Message-Id: References: <49ua4m$rq0@ccpnws.in2p3.fr> <4baafj$gem@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> <30D96F5F.629F@spu.stpaul.uottawa.ca> Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 11:36:40 GMT Alan D. Bulley (abulley@spu.stpaul.uottawa.ca) decia: : Hello, : Does anyone know if it is possible to configure pine in such a way : that I can receive a "confirmation of delivery" for the mail I send : out? The mailer I used previously on CMS did this, and I often found : it useful to know that my e-mail had arrived at its destination. Yes... you can.... From the M(enu), pres S(etup), then c(onfig)... then look for customized-hdrs = press A(dd) and put: Return-Receipt-To: *unless* you want a return receipt for *every* mail that you send, do not put your email address after the colon. If you do so, *every* time that you send mail (even to newsgroups?...mmm I do not know that one),you will receive a receipt. If you want for "return-receipt-to" to apear in your standard headers when you compose... you need to add it also (with A(dd), in the line: default-composer-hdrs = If not, the only thing you need, is when you compose, and are in the headers to use ^R (control + r), and return receipt will apear. HOpe it helps Pucho : Any experiences with this or ideas that are worth trying? : Thanks! : -- : Alan D. Bulley : Faculty of Theology / Faculte de theologie : Saint Paul University / Universite Saint-Paul : Ottawa, Canada abulley@spu.stpaul.uottawa.ca From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 28 09:32:41 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11007; Thu, 28 Dec 95 09:32:41 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24568; Thu, 28 Dec 95 09:27:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24562; Thu, 28 Dec 95 09:27:43 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tVM6d-00038CC; Thu, 28 Dec 95 09:27 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Timothy J. Luoma" Subject: Re: Telling PINE not to stick in a "From:" header. Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 10:52:29 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4btogj$9ku@ratatosk.uio.no> On 28 Dec 1995, Margrete Raaum wrote: > In article , > cabal@citadel.umd.edu (Arcadio A. Sincero) writes: > > > I made a modification to my sendmail.cf file to automatically set > >the "From:" header from any email from "cabal" (my Linux box's login > >name) to my real email address which is "lotu@wam.umd.edu". > > You would simplify it by using the same login-name. > That way, you could still leave it to pine and the only thing you > would have to alter was user-domain=wam.umd.edu (in .pinerc) Why not just setup a 'reply-to' line with your correct information? Lots of people these days have 'from' lines that are not really email addresses. A Reply-to line will work simply wonderfully.... wait, I've just re-read your message and you have a Reply To line (I think it should be Reply-To rather than Reply To [no spaces]) so I'm guessing you don't like that solution.... well, you could always make a username lotu on your Linux box with a ~lotu/.forward file with contents 'cabal' but I don't really know what problem you are having, so I'll end this now.. TjL -- Timothy J. Luoma "I'm deperate, I've got a glass and I can't find a coaster... Then a thought comes to mind... I search frantically through the mail and there it is... another @$%#&! AOL disk.... Finally a place to put down my drink." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 28 10:18:07 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12506; Thu, 28 Dec 95 10:18:07 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24380; Thu, 28 Dec 95 10:12:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24374; Thu, 28 Dec 95 10:12:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tVMkH-00038CC; Thu, 28 Dec 95 10:08 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cabal@citadel.umd.edu (Arcadio A. Sincero) Subject: Re: Telling PINE not to stick in a "From:" header. Date: 28 Dec 1995 18:00:22 GMT Message-Id: References: In article , "Timothy J. Luoma" wrote: >On 28 Dec 1995, Margrete Raaum wrote: > >> In article , >> cabal@citadel.umd.edu (Arcadio A. Sincero) writes: >> >> > I made a modification to my sendmail.cf file to automatically set >> >the "From:" header from any email from "cabal" (my Linux box's login >> >name) to my real email address which is "lotu@wam.umd.edu". >> >> You would simplify it by using the same login-name. >> That way, you could still leave it to pine and the only thing you >> would have to alter was user-domain=wam.umd.edu (in .pinerc) >Why not just setup a 'reply-to' line with your correct information? Lots >of people these days have 'from' lines that are not really email >addresses. A Reply-to line will work simply wonderfully.... wait, I've >just re-read your message and you have a Reply To line (I think it should >be Reply-To rather than Reply To [no spaces]) so I'm guessing you don't >like that solution.... well, you could always make a username lotu on >your Linux box with a ~lotu/.forward file with contents 'cabal' but I >don't really know what problem you are having, so I'll end this now.. Thanks all for trying! :-) But somebody just emailed me with the solution. It involves modifying the source to allow the user to change the From: heading. -- ============================================================================== Arcadio Alivio Sincero, Jr. Sophmore, Computer Science Major at the University of Maryland at College Park Send all replies to: lotu@wam.umd.edu email: lotu@wam.umd.edu www: "Save the whales .... collect the whole set!" ============================================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 28 10:21:52 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12656; Thu, 28 Dec 95 10:21:52 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25877; Thu, 28 Dec 95 10:17:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25871; Thu, 28 Dec 95 10:17:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tVMq7-00038CC; Thu, 28 Dec 95 10:14 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bassman@netaxs.com (Richard) Subject: Using PC-Pine Offline? Date: 28 Dec 1995 17:43:12 GMT Message-Id: <4bukvg$65u@netaxs.com> Is there a way to configure PC-Pine for Windows or Dos (and which version) so that it can be used when not online, i.e. without engaging Winsock? I cannot get it started. It indicates that required files or libraries are missing. If not, is there another news reader which permits reading and reorganizing of folders saved in Pine. I use a slip account and would like to download the folders and read them on a PC. Thanks. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 28 10:36:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13426; Thu, 28 Dec 95 10:36:25 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24915; Thu, 28 Dec 95 10:32:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24909; Thu, 28 Dec 95 10:32:50 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tVN71-00038CC; Thu, 28 Dec 95 10:31 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ftv@swl.msd.ray.com (Fred Vegliante {72205}) Subject: What does "Writing Fcc..." mean? Date: 28 Dec 1995 17:13:23 GMT Message-Id: <4buj7j$t7v@swlab1.msd.ray.com> When a message is sent in Pine, the words "Writing Fcc..." appear. What does this mean and what is pine doing? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 28 10:37:05 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13513; Thu, 28 Dec 95 10:37:05 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26297; Thu, 28 Dec 95 10:32:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26291; Thu, 28 Dec 95 10:32:52 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tVN74-00038EC; Thu, 28 Dec 95 10:31 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Gregory J. Hickel" Subject: Filtering Mail Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 11:35:17 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The help file on Unix Pine mentions using an external program to filter your mail. Could someone please direct me to these? Thanks! Greg Hickel gjhickel@server.wulaw.wustl.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 28 11:35:53 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16089; Thu, 28 Dec 95 11:35:53 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26534; Thu, 28 Dec 95 11:29:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26528; Thu, 28 Dec 95 11:29:35 -0800 Received: from localhost by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11957; Thu, 28 Dec 95 11:29:31 -0800 Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 11:29:28 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller To: "Michael H. Martel" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Override default username for remote folders. In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII It is not possible in Pine 3.91, but will be in Pine 3.92... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 27 Dec 1995, Michael H. Martel wrote: > Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu > Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu > Date: Wed, 27 Dec 1995 16:04:25 -0500 (EST) > From: "Michael H. Martel" > To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu > Subject: Override default username for remote folders. > Message-ID: > > Hello! > > How do I override the default username when I access remote folders ? > I've got my pinerc configured as thus : > > # Updated by Pine(tm) 3.91, copyright 1989-1993 University of Washington. > > incoming-folders=PROBE {probe.vsc.edu}INBOX, > > blah blah blah > > All is happy except that I have a different username on some hosts and > would like to be able to do something like : > > incoming-folders=PROBE {probe.vsc.edu/martelm}INBOX, > > And then only need to enter a password. Is this possible ? > > Thanks! > > Michael > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > Michael H. Martel | Vermont State Colleges > michael@maze.vsc.edu | Technical Support Specialist > http://probe.vsc.edu/~michael | PH:802-241-2535 FX:802-241-3363 > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 28 12:38:28 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18430; Thu, 28 Dec 95 12:38:28 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28125; Thu, 28 Dec 95 12:33:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28119; Thu, 28 Dec 95 12:33:04 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tVOyf-00038CC; Thu, 28 Dec 95 12:31 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: Filtering Mail Date: 28 Dec 1995 11:29:23 -0800 Message-Id: <4bur6j$3ut@shellx.best.com> References: "Gregory J. Hickel" writes: >The help file on Unix Pine mentions using an external program to filter >your mail. Could someone please direct me to these? Thanks! I have lots of links related to Pine at: http://www.jazzie.com/ii/internet/pine/ To get to my Filtering Mail FAQ, follow the link called "FAQs". Good luck, Nancy -- <*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*< @..@ Nancy McGough /\_/\ (----) Infinite Ink ( o.o ) ( >__< ) http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ > ~ < From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 28 16:19:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28481; Thu, 28 Dec 95 16:19:12 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05298; Thu, 28 Dec 95 16:13:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05292; Thu, 28 Dec 95 16:13:33 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tVSQu-00038CC; Thu, 28 Dec 95 16:12 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jgvd@guava.epix.net (Jonathan and DearOldDad) Subject: Re: What does "Writing Fcc..." mean? Date: 29 Dec 1995 00:04:53 GMT Message-Id: <4bvbb5$ldk@guava.epix.net> References: <4buj7j$t7v@swlab1.msd.ray.com> Fred Vegliante {72205} (ftv@swl.msd.ray.com) wrote: : When a message is sent in Pine, the words "Writing Fcc..." appear. : What does this mean and what is pine doing? It's saving a 'carbon copy' ... the default is to save it to a folder named sent-mail, but you can change that ... universally under Setup Config, or individually under Addressbook Edit Fcc. Hope that helps. /\ /~\/\/\ /\ /\ /\ |>> John (aka DearOldDad) /\ \/\/ / / \/\/ \/\/\/ \/ \/\|Fore! Pocono Mtns PA USA EARTH/__\/_/__/_/___/email_jgvd@epix.net_|_____ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 28 16:36:38 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29213; Thu, 28 Dec 95 16:36:38 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04524; Thu, 28 Dec 95 16:33:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04518; Thu, 28 Dec 95 16:33:35 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tVSje-00038CC; Thu, 28 Dec 95 16:31 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jgvd@guava.epix.net (Jonathan and DearOldDad) Subject: Re: top/end of page Date: 28 Dec 1995 23:58:55 GMT Message-Id: <4bvavv$ldk@guava.epix.net> References: <4brspn$hct@echo2.echonyc.com> Lucy Komisar (lkomisar@echonyc.com) wrote: : Is there a way while composing a message in pine to go to the top of the : file or the end of the file? (Other than using control Y or control V : repeatedly.) First ^W (control + w) then ^Y (control + y) to top or ^V (control + v) to bottom. Hope this helps. BYE. /\ /~\/\/\ /\ /\ /\ |>> John (aka DearOldDad) /\ \/\/ / / \/\/ \/\/\/ \/ \/\|Fore! Pocono Mtns PA USA EARTH/__\/_/__/_/___/email_jgvd@epix.net_|_____ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 28 17:50:33 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01678; Thu, 28 Dec 95 17:50:33 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07279; Thu, 28 Dec 95 17:43:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07273; Thu, 28 Dec 95 17:43:44 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tVTo2-00038CC; Thu, 28 Dec 95 17:40 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: roland@fast.net Subject: Re: Receiving confirmation for sent mail Date: 29 Dec 1995 01:19:36 GMT Message-Id: <4bvfn8$qin@nn.fast.net> References: > Paul O Bartlett writes: > > On Thu, 21 Dec 1995, Alan D. Bulley wrote: > > > Does anyone know if it is possible to configure pine in such a way > > that I can receive a "confirmation of delivery" for the mail I send > You can go into Setup and Config from the Main Menu (assuming you are > using Pine 3.91) and add a customized header, Return-receipt-to: [...] > your-address . However, this is no guarantee that you will in fact get a > receipt when the mail gets there, as not all receiving systems honor the > request and there is no Internet-wide requirement that they do so. Some In addition to Paul's words of caution, if you subscribe to any mailing lists, be prepared to make the list admins VERY unhappy as various subscriber hosts send confirmation messages back to the list posting address! Regards, Roland....an often unhappy list admin From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 29 04:37:53 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13259; Fri, 29 Dec 95 04:37:53 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16526; Fri, 29 Dec 95 04:33:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from sun4nl.NL.net by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16520; Fri, 29 Dec 95 04:33:35 -0800 Received: from horn by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA14541 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Fri, 29 Dec 1995 13:33:31 +0100 Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 13:32:18 +0100 (CEST) From: Nico van der Horn To: The Pine Discussion List Subject: Addressbook fcc-value ignored with reply Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I just discovered that when I reply to a user that is in my addressbook with appropriate fcc value, the copy will be done to a folder with the same name as the loginname of the receipient. Can this be changed by configuration or is it not possible ? --- nico@vanderhorn.nl (N.J. van der Horn), VANDERHORN VOF, Oranjelaan 40, 3135 ZP Vlaardingen, The Netherlands, Tel +31104600411, Fax +31104342857 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 29 04:37:56 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13267; Fri, 29 Dec 95 04:37:56 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15259; Fri, 29 Dec 95 04:30:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15253; Fri, 29 Dec 95 04:30:06 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tVdtP-00038CC; Fri, 29 Dec 95 04:26 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 29 Dec 1995 11:06:58 GMT Message-Id: <4c0i4j$qi9@news.orst.edu> References: <49qtsg$8mf@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> <4aqghk$bae@info-server.surrey.ac.uk> <4asg4f$r4k@news.orst.edu> <4bi658$7ed@Mercury.mcs.com> In article <4bi658$7ed@Mercury.mcs.com>, Leslie Mikesell wrote: >If you aren't motivated to provide an answer to such questions, then >don't. That's simple enough. I don't. That's simple. That's also ignoring the problem. >But if you are going to go to the >trouble to make a reply is it too much extra work for you to send >a copy the way they asked? Yes, it is. >Most newsreaders provide exactly the >mechanism you need, and for good reason. I do not see such a mechanism in trn, which is a very common newsreader. You can "F" or you can "R", but there is no "FR". >>That doesn't make dumping duplicate copies of articles into people's >>mailboxes because you are too lazy to notice that they weren't asked for >>correct behaviour. > >That remains a matter of opinion. That is a matter of the RECIPIENT'S opinion. WHen the recipient tells you it is rude, it is rude. When the recipient tells you to stop, you should stop. Why is this a difficult concept? >>I suppose you can show me where I asked YOU to send ME copies of >>everything you post? No? Then why are you doing it? > >Many people like receiving email copies, And many people do not. >and it is normal for >reasonable people to think that other reasonable people will >share their preferences. It is now unreasonable to not want email copies of news articles wasting your mailbox space. Thanks for being so objective in your arguments. >Or they think that if you send out something with your return >address on it you are interested in receiving replies. If >you aren't, hmmm... The issue is not one of receiving replies, and you should be smart enough to know that. It is one of getting those replies via a DIFFERENT mechanism than the original article. When I post news, I look in news for replies. I don't ask for mail unless I think the answers are important enough to demand IMMEDIATE attention, which is what I have to give email. People who assume that any answer they give to any comment I make is important enough to demand immediate attention are assuming too much responsibility for themselves. >>You can't "continue the thread" by replying to mail. There isn't >>sufficient information in a mail header to allow that. > >Indeed, this is a problem, and the one that should be fixed. And this is an admission that sending mail cannot possibly be considered "continuing the thread" -- one of the arguments for doing it. >If you don't want a reply, why not stop posting? This isn't the issue, and you should be smart enough to know that. >Or keep your email address off of it? If you put your phone number in your article, are you saying that you would find it permissible for people to call you and read you what they have just posted? Are you familiar with RFC 1036 at all? You must not be to make this sort of comment. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 29 05:24:39 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14628; Fri, 29 Dec 95 05:24:39 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15866; Fri, 29 Dec 95 05:11:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mail.sni.de by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15860; Fri, 29 Dec 95 05:11:31 -0800 Received: (from nerv@localhost) by nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA04057 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Fri, 29 Dec 1995 14:07:31 +0100 Received: from ao5.mow.sni.de (itspc5.mow.sni.de [149.202.148.207]) by itsmx1.mow.sni.de (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA13697 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 1995 16:11:03 +0300 (OET) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 16:11:32 +0300 (EET) From: Andrej Borsenkow Reply-To: borsenkow.msk@sni.de To: The Pine Discussion List Subject: Re: Addressbook fcc-value ignored with reply X-Sender: bor@[itsmx1] In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 29 Dec 1995, Nico van der Horn wrote: > I just discovered that when I reply to a user that is in my addressbook > with appropriate fcc value, the copy will be done to a folder with the > same name as the loginname of the receipient. > > Can this be changed by configuration or is it not possible ? > I would like to second this. It should be built in. It is a narural wish to keep all mail related to some person (or mailing list) in one place. One can also choose to put mail to/from more than one person in ONE FCC e.g. ---------------------------------------------------- Andrej Borsenkow E-Mail: borsenkow.msk@sni.de SNI ITS, Moscow Phone: +7 (095) 252 13 88 ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 29 05:34:47 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14772; Fri, 29 Dec 95 05:34:47 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16035; Fri, 29 Dec 95 05:23:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from [200.1.244.43] by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16029; Fri, 29 Dec 95 05:23:49 -0800 Received: (from nalt@localhost) by petrus.ub.edu.ar (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA01339; Fri, 29 Dec 1995 10:19:46 -0300 Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 10:19:45 -0300 (GMT-0300) From: "Norberto H. Altalef" To: PINE Info Mailing List Subject: Message-Id header Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I would like to know if it's possible modify the contents of the Message-ID header. I'm interested in hide the host name from it. I'm using pine 3.91 in HP-UX and Linux machines. Any comments will be useful. Many thanks Norberto Altalef From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 29 11:41:48 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25271; Fri, 29 Dec 95 11:41:48 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24846; Fri, 29 Dec 95 11:30:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24840; Fri, 29 Dec 95 11:30:55 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tVkSr-00038CC; Fri, 29 Dec 95 11:27 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Tim Pierce Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Message-Id: References: Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 17:31:26 GMT In article , Mark Crispin wrote: >[ Rahul Dhesi said: ] > >> > > Q: Please email me your reply, as I don't read this newsgroup. >> > > A: What an arrogant jerk! > >But why should the person who asked the question be expected to >read thousands of messages in the newsgroup to find the single answer, or >otherwise be forced to filter out all the unwanted messages? This is like saying, "Why should someone reading a newspaper for a single article be forced to read or ignore hundreds of uninteresting articles simply to get to it?" If you're reading a newsgroup for a single article -- and, in particular, a followup to your own article -- > Subject: can Blurdybloop computers support Garply protocol? -- then you search the newsgroup for messages with "blurdybloop" or "garply" in the subject line. If you have a newsreader that doesn't do this, you get rid of it. riddle: How do you sculpt an elephant? answer: get a big block of marble and carve away everything that doesn't look like an elephant. I use a very nice newsreader, called "trn," which tells me at a glance whether there have been any followups to a particular article (e.g. my own), and will take me to those followups instantly. Perhaps you might consider adding such a feature to Pine. -- By sending unsolicited commercially-oriented e-mail to this address, the sender agrees to pay a $100 flat fee to the recipient for proofreading services. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 29 17:24:15 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07021; Fri, 29 Dec 95 17:24:15 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03543; Fri, 29 Dec 95 17:16:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03537; Fri, 29 Dec 95 17:16:41 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tVpuQ-00038CC; Fri, 29 Dec 95 17:16 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bob@hobbes.dtcc.edu (Bob Rahe) Subject: Re: runaway pine processes eat cpu Date: 28 Dec 1995 19:24:02 GMT Message-Id: <4buqsi$c73@hopi.dtcc.edu> References: <4b68or$5e@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> <30D7F5FF.3EC2@mail.cern.ch> In article <30D7F5FF.3EC2@mail.cern.ch>, Alessandro Miotto wrote: >Mike Brudenell wrote: >> On 19 Dec 1995, Jenny Barna wrote: >> > We have occasional problems with pine 3.89 on IRIX 5.2 where users' >> > PCs etc hang while in a pine session. Later, the sysadmin notices >> > pine processes consuming vast amounts of cpu. >> ... [SNIP!] ... >> > Has anyone any idea what to do about this, including >> > possibly a suitable process-killing daemon or else code alterations? >> Sure thing... try upgrading to the current version of Pine! >Nice attempt, but the same happens in pine 3.91 and also in a lot of X11 programs. >The problem is a select call returning data present in a socket, and the following >read call returning 0 bytes read and no error. The program continues ad libitum >in this loop. I've implemented this patch and I haven't seen a runaway pine since - over many (4 or so) months: From: S.Vickery@its.gu.edu.au (Sean Vickery) Newsgroups: comp.mail.pine Subject: Runaway Pine bug solved, patch included Date: 13 Aug 1995 23:15:19 -0700 Organization: PSGnet mail to news gate Lines: 69 Sender: nobody@psg.com [If you reply or followup to this, could you please Cc: me as I read neither pine-info nor comp.mail.pine.] Fellow Pine users, After some frustrating months of tracking down runaway Pine processes each day and killing them by hand, I decided to find and fix the cause of the problem in the Pine sources. Some debugging revealed that the hanging Pines are doing a tight loop in read_with_timeout(). The logic in this function is slightly awry; it does not cater for read(terminal) returning zero bytes. My patch is at the end of this message; it's a one-line fix. Not one Pine has run away since I patched them a week ago. Before I patched Pine, I was getting about one runaway Pine per day per machine on average. I saw the problem only with Pine 3.91. Pine 3.89, which we still use on some of our machines, has never runaway on us. Pine 3.91 was running away on both Solaris 2.3 and 2.4. If there are any Pine developers reading this, perhaps you could fix the bug in the next release of Pine. Cheers for now, Sean. -- Sean Vickery Ph: +61 (0)7 3875 6410 Systems Programmer Information Services Griffith University =================================================================== RCS file: /opt/cvs/pd/pine/pine/ttyin.c,v retrieving revision 1.1.1.1 retrieving revision 1.2 diff -c -r1.1.1.1 -r1.2 *** 1.1.1.1 1995/01/13 00:16:30 --- 1.2 1995/08/14 05:57:29 *************** *** 1,5 **** #if !defined(lint) && !defined(DOS) ! static char rcsid[] = "$Id: ttyin.c,v 4.56 1994/10/11 22:53:43 mikes Exp $"; #endif /*---------------------------------------------------------------------- --- 1,5 ---- #if !defined(lint) && !defined(DOS) ! static char rcsid[] = "$Id: ttyin.c,v 1.1.1.1 1995/01/13 00:16:30 seanv Exp $"; #endif /*---------------------------------------------------------------------- *************** *** 389,395 **** dprint(1, (debugfile, "\n\n** Error reading from tty : %s\n\n", error_description(errno))); ! if(errno == EINTR) return(NO_OP_COMMAND); if(ps_global->inbox_stream != NULL){ --- 389,395 ---- dprint(1, (debugfile, "\n\n** Error reading from tty : %s\n\n", error_description(errno))); ! if(res < 0 && errno == EINTR) return(NO_OP_COMMAND); if(ps_global->inbox_stream != NULL){ -- Sean Vickery Ph: +61 (0)7 3875 6410 Systems Programmer Information Services Griffith University -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- |Bob Rahe, Delaware Tech&Comm Coll.| The American Bald Eagle is protected | |Computer Center, Dover, Delaware| by law, the unborn American baby isn't. | |Internet: bob@hobbes.dtcc.edu | Some of our laws are really for the birds.| ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 29 18:42:13 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08663; Fri, 29 Dec 95 18:42:13 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04847; Fri, 29 Dec 95 18:36:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04841; Fri, 29 Dec 95 18:36:49 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tVr7f-00038CC; Fri, 29 Dec 95 18:34 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jgvd@guava.epix.net (Jonathan and DearOldDad) Subject: Re: Addressbook fcc-value ignored with reply Date: 30 Dec 1995 01:01:10 GMT Message-Id: <4c230m$6mm@guava.epix.net> References: Nico van der Horn (nico@vanderhorn.nl) wrote: : I just discovered that when I reply to a user that is in my addressbook : with appropriate fcc value, the copy will be done to a folder with the : same name as the loginname of the receipient. : Can this be changed by configuration or is it not possible ? Not sure what you mean by 'appropriate fcc value' but you can fcc to any folder name you wish, does NOT have to go to a folder with the recipient's login name, but apparently that's the way you set up your fcc's. For example, I correspond with 6 or 7 people about golf related topics, and fcc all of that to a folder named saved-golf-stuff. It sounds like what you did is change the fcc in Config Setup to recipient, rather than the default sent-mail folder. Another way is to leave the default as sent-mail, then in your Addressbook Edit set the fcc for each correspondent to the folder you wish it to go to. Hope that's clear, if not, post or feel free to email me for a clarification. BYE /\ /~\/\/\ /\ /\ /\ |>> John (aka DearOldDad) /\ \/\/ / / \/\/ \/\/\/ \/ \/\|Fore! Pocono Mtns PA USA EARTH/__\/_/__/_/___/email_jgvd@epix.net_|_____ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 29 22:02:15 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11524; Fri, 29 Dec 95 22:02:15 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06159; Fri, 29 Dec 95 21:57:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06153; Fri, 29 Dec 95 21:57:11 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tVuFQ-00038CC; Fri, 29 Dec 95 21:54 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jgvd@guava.epix.net (Jonathan and DearOldDad) Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 30 Dec 1995 05:24:32 GMT Message-Id: <4c2ieg$b1p@guava.epix.net> References: <49vgqd$5h6@zuul.nmti.com> <4ba0aj$n6d@huron.eel.ufl.edu> <4blb43$1v8@zuul.nmti.com> Peter da Silva (peter@nmti.com) wrote: ... after quoting some others ... : >>PINE on Alachua Freenet so that Newsgroups: lines in the header of a : >>mail message are completely ignored, which is of course RFC compliant. : ^^^^ ^^^^^^^ : >If you do that, then users won't be able to post followups when they are : >reading news. : ^^^^ ... Peter said ... : I think there's a fundamental communication problem here. Exactly Peter, there is, and the problem is that this group name is comp.mail.pine not comp.news.pine and my description of it says something like for discussions about the pine mail program or something to that effect. This entire stupid thread was started by someone who mistakenly posted and emailed when he only meant to email, no big whoop, we all make mistakes, but then everyone started screaming at one another, and critisizing the folks at washington.edu, and the entire discussion has gotten totally off track. Is PINE the best mail program ... proabably for what you paid for it. Is PINE the best newsreader ... Probably not. OK having said that, everyone have a happy and prosperous new year, and please stop yelling at one another. Only my 1895 cents worth (plus tax). /\ /~\/\/\ /\ /\ /\ |>> John (aka DearOldDad) /\ \/\/ / / \/\/ \/\/\/ \/ \/\|Fore! Pocono Mtns PA USA EARTH/__\/_/__/_/___/email_jgvd@epix.net_|_____ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 29 23:06:58 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12521; Fri, 29 Dec 95 23:06:58 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08391; Fri, 29 Dec 95 23:02:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08385; Fri, 29 Dec 95 23:02:19 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tVvFz-00038CC; Fri, 29 Dec 95 22:59 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sahirns@menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu (Sahir N. Siddiqui) Subject: Re: User-Domain setting Date: 30 Dec 1995 06:16:28 GMT Message-Id: References: In-Reply-To: sahirns@menger.stevens-tech.edu's message of 30 Dec 1995 06:11:37 GMT In article sahirns@menger.stevens-tech.edu (Sahir N. Siddiqui) writes: The default pine.conf has "user-domain=menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu", but when composing mail to a local user, the address comes up as user@eecs.stevens-tech.edu, instead of user@menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu ------- As a followup to my own posting, I might add that this machine is also addresable as menger.stevens-tech.edu, and if I put in pine.conf: user-domain=menger.stevens-tech.edu I get correct resolving of local usernames. This leads me to believe that there is a problem with the length of the field, perhaps. Can someone elaborate? -s -- Sahir N. Siddiqui Res: (201) 217-0952 PO Box 5176, Hoboken NJ 07030 )))) oo-) Email: sahirns@menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu :_/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 29 23:21:41 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12718; Fri, 29 Dec 95 23:21:41 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07207; Fri, 29 Dec 95 23:12:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07201; Fri, 29 Dec 95 23:12:20 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tVvSY-00038CC; Fri, 29 Dec 95 23:12 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sahirns@menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu (Sahir N. Siddiqui) Subject: User-Domain setting Date: 30 Dec 1995 06:11:37 GMT Message-Id: I'm trying to set up Pine 3.90 on SunOS 4.1.3 machine with NIS and DNS. The machine-name is "menger", and is in the "eecs" subdomain of "stevens-tech.edu". The default pine.conf has "user-domain=menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu", but when composing mail to a local user, the address comes up as user@eecs.stevens-tech.edu, instead of user@menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu I've been trying different settings to get it to work, but I can't seem to get it to put the correct hostname in the field. Can someone help? I'd appreciate personal mail - I'll post a summary of useful responses. Thanks, -sahir -- Sahir N. Siddiqui Res: (201) 217-0952 PO Box 5176, Hoboken NJ 07030 )))) oo-) Email: sahirns@menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu :_/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 30 03:53:07 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17310; Sat, 30 Dec 95 03:53:07 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10712; Sat, 30 Dec 95 03:38:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mail.sni.de by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10706; Sat, 30 Dec 95 03:38:11 -0800 Received: (from nerv@localhost) by nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA27315 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Sat, 30 Dec 1995 12:34:32 +0100 Received: from ao5.mow.sni.de (itspc5.mow.sni.de [149.202.148.207]) by itsmx1.mow.sni.de (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA17394 for ; Sat, 30 Dec 1995 14:37:54 +0300 (OET) Date: Sat, 30 Dec 1995 14:38:23 +0300 (EET) From: Andrej Borsenkow Reply-To: borsenkow.msk@sni.de To: Pine Mailing list Subject: Problem with sorting of folders. X-Sender: bor@[itsmx1] Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi folks! I don't quite understand rules for sorting of folders. I currently have set sorting rule to OrderedSubject, and just now there are two messages in my folder (actually they are on Pine-info list so everybody should have them). One message is original and other a reply. Original dated 30 Dec 1995 06:11 GMT (I forgot the seconds) and reply is dates 30 Dec 1995 06:16 GMT. The problem is, reply is sorted BEFORE original message. It seems to be incorrect twice - reply should NOT come before question and Dates order is clearly wrong. If I set sort order to Date, then they are sorted correctly! Any comment? (I have Pine for Windows 3.91) Thanks in advance ---------------------------------------------------- Andrej Borsenkow E-Mail: borsenkow.msk@sni.de SNI ITS, Moscow Phone: +7 (095) 252 13 88 ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 30 07:02:19 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20537; Sat, 30 Dec 95 07:02:19 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14598; Sat, 30 Dec 95 06:58:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14592; Sat, 30 Dec 95 06:58:16 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tW2gz-00038CC; Sat, 30 Dec 95 06:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Tim Pierce Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Message-Id: References: <49vgqd$5h6@zuul.nmti.com> <4blb43$1v8@zuul.nmti.com> <4c2ieg$b1p@guava.epix.net> Date: Sat, 30 Dec 1995 14:33:34 GMT In article <4c2ieg$b1p@guava.epix.net>, Jonathan and DearOldDad wrote: >... the problem is that this group name is >comp.mail.pine not comp.news.pine and my description of it says something >like for discussions about the pine mail program or something to that >effect. I see. Am I allowed to conclude, then, that the whole of Pine's support for Usenet reading and posting constitutes a bug? -- By sending unsolicited commercially-oriented e-mail to this address, the sender agrees to pay a $100 flat fee to the recipient for proofreading services. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 30 07:27:27 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20883; Sat, 30 Dec 95 07:27:27 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14844; Sat, 30 Dec 95 07:17:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from asci2.ascinet.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14838; Sat, 30 Dec 95 07:17:20 -0800 Subject: sco pico?? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Date: Sat, 30 Dec 1995 10:20:15 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 588 From: weech@ascinet.com Message-Id: <9512301020.aa05212@asci2.ascinet.com> Hi there, I am just a local user and not a sysadmin, though I am familiar with stuff involving UNIX. This system does not offer a working pico editor, and I was thinking of just installing it in my $HOME for my personal use (so I don't have to us vi for email ;) I went through the ftp pico directory at your site, but did not see anything for pico that would run on SCO UNIX. Is there one available, or does one of the other versions run on SCO? Also, and this is important, once fully installed on SCO (if it exists) how much disk space does it use up? Thanks for your help :) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 30 08:11:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21363; Sat, 30 Dec 95 08:11:23 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14198; Sat, 30 Dec 95 08:08:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14192; Sat, 30 Dec 95 08:08:25 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tW3mI-00038CC; Sat, 30 Dec 95 08:05 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 30 Dec 95 15:37:41 GMT Message-Id: References: <49vgqd$5h6@zuul.nmti.com> <4blb43$1v8@zuul.nmti.com> <4c2ieg$b1p@guava.epix.net> Tim Pierce writes: >In article <4c2ieg$b1p@guava.epix.net>, >Jonathan and DearOldDad wrote: >>... the problem is that this group name is >>comp.mail.pine not comp.news.pine and my description of it says something >>like for discussions about the pine mail program or something to that >>effect. >I see. >Am I allowed to conclude, then, that the whole of Pine's support >for Usenet reading and posting constitutes a bug? My attitude would be in agreement with the above statement. I would simply like to be able to config it so that it does not do any newsreader stuff, except allow me to look at article archives that have been saved in mbox format. Then it would be impossible for a naive user at my site to innapriately post a private email reply. I used to simply not configure the nntphost variable, but too many people complained about it not working "right". I would simply like to destroy all evidence that it is even supposed to be able to do anything with news. >-- >By sending unsolicited commercially-oriented e-mail to this address, the >sender agrees to pay a $100 flat fee to the recipient for proofreading >services. -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)810-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Web admin: chimera,nn,tin,jove,kermit - free's best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 30 12:27:51 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25422; Sat, 30 Dec 95 12:27:51 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18857; Sat, 30 Dec 95 12:18:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18851; Sat, 30 Dec 95 12:18:54 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tW7fM-00038CC; Sat, 30 Dec 95 12:14 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pegboy@gti.gti.net (++ Pegboy ++) Subject: Sending every day... Date: 30 Dec 1995 15:00:19 -0500 Message-Id: <4c45oj$hng@gti.gti.net> Hi! I am wondering if there is a way to have mail sent every day to a specific address.... What I need to do is mail some thing different everyday to one person and what I would like to do is just type it all up every week and run a command every morning to send it...? Also, is there a way to have an automated reply to a specific address? Wondering if there is a way I can tweak the Unix 'vacation' program to do this? Thanks for any help! Chris From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 30 13:19:14 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26300; Sat, 30 Dec 95 13:19:14 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18212; Sat, 30 Dec 95 13:10:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from [204.97.15.12] by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18206; Sat, 30 Dec 95 13:10:10 -0800 Received: from online.magnus1.com (online.magnus1.com [204.97.15.6]) by linux.magnus1.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA00876 for ; Sat, 30 Dec 1995 17:57:27 -0500 Received: from online1.magnus1.com (online1.magnus1.com [204.97.15.10]) by online.magnus1.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id VAA00869 for ; Sat, 30 Dec 1995 21:10:38 GMT Received: (from johnhe@localhost) by online1.magnus1.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) id VAA11222; Sat, 30 Dec 1995 21:10:52 GMT Date: Sat, 30 Dec 1995 16:10:51 -0500 (EST) From: John Hegeman To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: importing files Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello folks: When I'm in C(ompose mail), the ^R(ead file) command followed by the ^T(o files) command, then (elect) does not import the selected file into my message as I assumed it would. Instead I have to type the name of the file in after using ^R while in Compose. (Pine 3.91 on a dial-up Unix shell account.) I've consulted PINE Users Guide & FAQ to no avail. Is the answer simply that the files screen is merely an informational browser? If so, why the Select command? Many thanks... ************************************************ * John Hegeman * * Maiden's Bower Farm * * P.O. Box 246 Churchville, MD 21028 USA * * (410) 836-2435 johnhe@online1.magnus1.com * ************************************************ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 30 14:30:01 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27541; Sat, 30 Dec 95 14:30:01 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19113; Sat, 30 Dec 95 14:19:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from sun4nl.NL.net by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19107; Sat, 30 Dec 95 14:19:38 -0800 Received: from horn by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA20586 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Sat, 30 Dec 1995 23:19:34 +0100 Date: Sat, 30 Dec 1995 23:17:57 +0100 (CEST) From: Nico van der Horn To: Jonathan and DearOldDad Cc: The Pine Discussion List Subject: Re: Addressbook fcc-value ignored with reply In-Reply-To: <4c230m$6mm@guava.epix.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 30 Dec 1995, Jonathan and DearOldDad wrote: > Nico van der Horn (nico@vanderhorn.nl) wrote: > : I just discovered that when I reply to a user that is in my addressbook > : with appropriate fcc value, the copy will be done to a folder with the > : same name as the loginname of the recipient. > : Can this be changed by configuration or is it not possible ? > > Not sure what you mean by 'appropriate fcc value' but you can fcc to any > folder name you wish, does NOT have to go to a folder with the > recipient's login name, but apparently that's the way you set up your > fcc's. For example, I correspond with 6 or 7 people about golf related > topics, and fcc all of that to a folder named saved-golf-stuff. It > sounds like what you did is change the fcc in Config Setup to recipient, > rather than the default sent-mail folder. No, I kept the default to sent-mail > Another way is to leave the default as sent-mail, then in your Addressbook > Edit set the fcc for each correspondent to the folder you wish it to go to. That's exactly what I did ! In the addressbook I specified an Fcc for some entries. When I send mail to one of these, the copy is placed in the specified folder instead of the default Fcc, this is what I expected and like. When I however *reply* to a party that has an entry in my addressbook with the Fcc field filled in, the copy is done to a folder with the username of this recipient. This is not what I expected :-( In your example of the Golf-related subject, it might be handy also if all reply's are *automatically* copied in the Fcc corresponding to the entry in your addressbook. Ofcourse this is only handy if all of these users are related to this subject, otherwise you must specify the Fcc by hand or let it default to "sent-mail" and sort it out later. While responding to this message, Pine wanted to put the Fcc in a (not yet existing) folder "jgvd" although the default-Fcc is still "sent-mail" and there is no entry for you in my addressbook. By hand I changed the Fcc to "pine.out", all other messages of this list are saved in "pineYYMM". --- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ HAVE A NICE OLD-YEAR'S-NIGHT, BE CAREFUL WITH FIREWORK ! GOOD HEALTH, HAPPINESS, SAFETY AND PROSPERITY FOR 1996 ! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ nico@vanderhorn.nl (N.J. van der Horn), VANDERHORN VOF, Oranjelaan 40, 3135 ZP Vlaardingen, The Netherlands, Tel +31104600411, Fax +31104342857 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 30 15:00:58 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27923; Sat, 30 Dec 95 15:00:58 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19523; Sat, 30 Dec 95 14:53:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from sun4nl.NL.net by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19517; Sat, 30 Dec 95 14:53:24 -0800 Received: from horn by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA24482 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Sat, 30 Dec 1995 23:53:22 +0100 Date: Sat, 30 Dec 1995 23:51:38 +0100 (CEST) From: Nico van der Horn To: weech@ascinet.com Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: sco pico?? In-Reply-To: <9512301020.aa05212@asci2.ascinet.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 30 Dec 1995 weech@ascinet.com wrote: [...] > This system does not offer a working pico editor, and I was thinking > of just installing it in my $HOME for my personal use (so I don't have > to us vi for email ;) If PINE is installed on your system, PICO should be there also ! > I went through the ftp pico directory at your site, but did not see > anything for pico that would run on SCO UNIX. Is there one available, > or does one of the other versions run on SCO? PICO is a standard component of the distrubution of PINE, but you can decide to do a make for PICO alone ofcourse. Do you need a binary ? > Also, and this is important, once fully installed on SCO (if it exists) > how much disk space does it use up? The size of PICO on our SCO 3.2v4.2 is about 150kByte. --- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ HAVE A NICE OLD-YEAR'S-NIGHT, BE CAREFUL WITH FIREWORK ! GOOD HEALTH, HAPPINESS, SAFETY AND PROSPERITY FOR 1996 ! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ nico@vanderhorn.nl (N.J. van der Horn), VANDERHORN VOF, Oranjelaan 40, 3135 ZP Vlaardingen, The Netherlands, Tel +31104600411, Fax +31104342857 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 30 15:14:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28213; Sat, 30 Dec 95 15:14:31 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21063; Sat, 30 Dec 95 15:07:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mail.bcpl.lib.md.us by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21057; Sat, 30 Dec 95 15:07:23 -0800 Received: by mail (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA06554; Sat, 30 Dec 1995 18:10:18 +0500 Date: Sat, 30 Dec 1995 18:10:18 -0500 (EST) From: Chip Old X-Sender: fold@mail To: The Pine Discussion List Subject: Re: Addressbook fcc-value ignored with reply In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1038 Nico van der Horn (nico@vanderhorn.nl) wrote: > I just discovered that when I reply to a user that is in my addressbook > with appropriate fcc value, the copy will be done to a folder with the > same name as the loginname of the recipient. > Can this be changed by configuration or is it not possible ? I think I missed part of this thread, so pardon me if this has already been suggested. It sounds like you have your "fcc-name-rule" set to "by-recipient". Change it to "default-fcc". This will cause messages to people _without_ fcc values in your Address Book to be saved to the default fcc folder (sent-mail or whatever), but messages to people _with_ fcc values will be saved to the folders specified by those fcc values. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Francis E. Old (Chip Old) Internet: fold@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us Internetworking Administrator Voice: (410) 887-6180 Baltimore County Public Library FAX: (410) 887-2091 320 York Road Towson, Maryland 21204 USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 30 15:15:18 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28249; Sat, 30 Dec 95 15:15:18 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19729; Sat, 30 Dec 95 15:09:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from sun4nl.NL.net by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19723; Sat, 30 Dec 95 15:09:52 -0800 Received: from horn by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA27388 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Sun, 31 Dec 1995 00:09:49 +0100 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 00:08:03 +0100 (CEST) From: Nico van der Horn To: ++ Pegboy ++ Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Sending every day... In-Reply-To: <4c45oj$hng@gti.gti.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 30 Dec 1995, ++ Pegboy ++ wrote: > I am wondering if there is a way to have mail sent every day to a > specific address.... > What I need to do is mail some thing different everyday to one person and > what I would like to do is just type it all up every week and run a > command every morning to send it...? I would use "cron" to run a shell-script that pipes the desired message into the standard "mail"-command. You could look into a simple application like "calendar". > Also, is there a way to have an automated reply to a specific address? > Wondering if there is a way I can tweak the Unix 'vacation' program > to do this? As far as I know ... this is what "vacation" is made for ! Or do you want to give automatically an "intelligent" response, so you can go on hollidays and still earn money ? Sorry, I don't think I understand your intension completely, could you be more specific ? --- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ HAVE A NICE OLD-YEAR'S-NIGHT, BE CAREFUL WITH FIREWORK ! GOOD HEALTH, HAPPINESS, SAFETY AND PROSPERITY FOR 1996 ! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ nico@vanderhorn.nl (N.J. van der Horn), VANDERHORN VOF, Oranjelaan 40, 3135 ZP Vlaardingen, The Netherlands, Tel +31104600411, Fax +31104342857 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 30 15:19:52 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28317; Sat, 30 Dec 95 15:19:52 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19814; Sat, 30 Dec 95 15:15:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from sun4nl.NL.net by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19808; Sat, 30 Dec 95 15:15:48 -0800 Received: from horn by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA27850 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Sun, 31 Dec 1995 00:15:46 +0100 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 00:14:14 +0100 (CEST) From: Nico van der Horn To: John Hegeman Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: importing files In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 30 Dec 1995, John Hegeman wrote: > Hello folks: > > When I'm in C(ompose mail), the ^R(ead file) command followed by > the ^T(o files) command, then (elect) does not import the selected file > into my message as I assumed it would. Instead I have to type the name of > the file in after using ^R while in Compose. (Pine 3.91 on a dial-up Unix > shell account.) I've consulted PINE Users Guide & FAQ to no avail. I just tried this myself, and it worked fine ! --- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ HAVE A NICE OLD-YEAR'S-NIGHT, BE CAREFUL WITH FIREWORK ! GOOD HEALTH, HAPPINESS, SAFETY AND PROSPERITY FOR 1996 ! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ nico@vanderhorn.nl (N.J. van der Horn), VANDERHORN VOF, Oranjelaan 40, 3135 ZP Vlaardingen, The Netherlands, Tel +31104600411, Fax +31104342857 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 30 16:33:18 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29689; Sat, 30 Dec 95 16:33:18 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20914; Sat, 30 Dec 95 16:29:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20908; Sat, 30 Dec 95 16:29:22 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tWBbF-00038CC; Sat, 30 Dec 95 16:26 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: riffer@freenet2.freenet.ufl.edu (Jeff Mercer) Subject: Re: Message-Id header Date: 31 Dec 1995 00:03:14 GMT Message-Id: <4c4k02$gf0@huron.eel.ufl.edu> References: nalt@ub.edu.ar ("Norberto H. Altalef") wrote: >I would like to know if it's possible modify the contents of the >Message-ID header. Sure. >I'm interested in hide the host name from it. >I'm using pine 3.91 in HP-UX and Linux machines. What, tell you how to forge Message-ID headers so you can be a dickweed and spam Usenet? Hah! Fuck off. riffer@afn.org : "I will not be threatened by a walking meatloaf!" Jeff The Riffer : --An American Werewolf In London Drifter... : Homo Postmortemus : From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 30 18:16:19 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01299; Sat, 30 Dec 95 18:16:19 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23506; Sat, 30 Dec 95 18:07:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from [129.179.17.11] by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23500; Sat, 30 Dec 95 18:07:10 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Sun, 31 Dec 95 10:03:04 +0800 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 10:03:04 +0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko To: Jeff Mercer Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Message-Id header In-Reply-To: <4c4k02$gf0@huron.eel.ufl.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 31 Dec 1995, Jeff Mercer wrote: > nalt@ub.edu.ar ("Norberto H. Altalef") wrote: > >I would like to know if it's possible modify the contents of the > >Message-ID header. > > Sure. > > >I'm interested in hide the host name from it. > >I'm using pine 3.91 in HP-UX and Linux machines. > > What, tell you how to forge Message-ID headers so you can be a dickweed and > spam Usenet? Hah! Fuck off. Some people feel that to reveal their hostname can result in security problems. Their intentions are not as you cite. In any case your use of profane language is inappropriate. Regards, Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 30 19:32:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02405; Sat, 30 Dec 95 19:32:20 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24497; Sat, 30 Dec 95 19:24:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24491; Sat, 30 Dec 95 19:24:44 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tWELV-00038CC; Sat, 30 Dec 95 19:22 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: agreene@aldus.northnet.org (Anthony Greene) Subject: Dialup Mail Reader Date: 31 Dec 1995 02:41:28 GMT Message-Id: <4c4t8o$goq@aldus.northnet.org> Does anyone know of a mail reader for DOS or Windows that can dialup and retrieve mail from Unix hosts without using SLIP or PPP? -- --Tony Anthony E. Greene Webmaster, Americal Division Veterans Association: http://www3.servtech.com/americal/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 30 21:08:44 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03662; Sat, 30 Dec 95 21:08:44 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24260; Sat, 30 Dec 95 21:00:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from prairie.NoDak.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24254; Sat, 30 Dec 95 21:00:21 -0800 Received: (from cheinert@localhost) by prairie.NoDak.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id XAA04789; Sat, 30 Dec 1995 23:00:20 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 30 Dec 1995 23:00:20 -0600 (CST) From: Curtis N Heinert To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: hlp Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII help From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 30 21:20:44 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03943; Sat, 30 Dec 95 21:20:44 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25872; Sat, 30 Dec 95 21:12:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from sun4nl.NL.net by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25862; Sat, 30 Dec 95 21:12:48 -0800 Received: from horn by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA12992 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Sun, 31 Dec 1995 06:12:47 +0100 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 06:10:07 +0100 (CEST) From: Nico van der Horn To: Chip Old Cc: The Pine Discussion List Subject: Re: Addressbook fcc-value ignored with reply In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 30 Dec 1995, Chip Old wrote: > Nico van der Horn (nico@vanderhorn.nl) wrote: > > > I just discovered that when I reply to a user that is in my addressbook > > with appropriate fcc value, the copy will be done to a folder with the > > same name as the loginname of the recipient. > > Can this be changed by configuration or is it not possible ? > > I think I missed part of this thread, so pardon me if this has already > been suggested. > > It sounds like you have your "fcc-name-rule" set to "by-recipient". > Change it to "default-fcc". This will cause messages to people _without_ > fcc values in your Address Book to be saved to the default fcc folder > (sent-mail or whatever), but messages to people _with_ fcc values will be > saved to the folders specified by those fcc values. You are right about the setting and its meaning Francis, but in both cases if the Fcc is set in the addressbook, it is ignored. I used fcc-namerule=by-recipient, because mostly I want the Fcc to correspond to the name of the other party. The Fcc in the addressbook entry works for Compose, but not for Reply. > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Francis E. Old (Chip Old) Internet: fold@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us > Internetworking Administrator Voice: (410) 887-6180 > Baltimore County Public Library FAX: (410) 887-2091 > 320 York Road > Towson, Maryland 21204 USA --- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ HAVE A NICE OLD-YEAR'S-NIGHT, BE CAREFUL WITH FIREWORK ! GOOD HEALTH, HAPPINESS, SAFETY AND PROSPERITY FOR 1996 ! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ nico@vanderhorn.nl (N.J. van der Horn), VANDERHORN VOF, Oranjelaan 40, 3135 ZP Vlaardingen, The Netherlands, Tel +31104600411, Fax +31104342857 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 30 21:35:57 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04226; Sat, 30 Dec 95 21:35:57 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26115; Sat, 30 Dec 95 21:30:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from sun4nl.NL.net by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26107; Sat, 30 Dec 95 21:30:28 -0800 Received: from horn by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA13680 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Sun, 31 Dec 1995 06:30:26 +0100 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 06:28:55 +0100 (CEST) From: Nico van der Horn To: weech@ascinet.com Cc: The Pine Discussion List Subject: Re: sco pico?? In-Reply-To: <9512302321.aa07749@asci2.ascinet.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 30 Dec 1995 weech@ascinet.com wrote: > Nico van der Horn transmitted: > #If PINE is installed on your system, PICO should be there also ! > # > hi, and thank you for responding so quickly :) > pine is a menu choice, but there is no executable and i get an error > when i select it. > pico also exists, but i get garbage lines and an error when i try > to use it. According to the doc's Pine has difficulty with some terminal types. > i am hoping that they install a working version sometime > soon, but in the meantime i use vi and elm. vi isn't really all > that bad, except when i send email it gets a bit cumbersome to enter > the letter commands whenever i need to do something different. And PICO has word-wrap, justify, simple block operations, that vi leaks. > #Do you need a binary ? > > if the binary is all it takes, then yes i do. there are no libraries > or supporting files that are needed? Just this only executable file. > i need to check what version of sco they run. will this pine run on > later versions than 3.2v4.2? We run the same binary on all SCO versions including OpenServer 5.0 as well as versions without TCP/IP but then as a MUA only. --- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ HAVE A NICE OLD-YEAR'S-NIGHT, BE CAREFUL WITH FIREWORK ! GOOD HEALTH, HAPPINESS, SAFETY AND PROSPERITY FOR 1996 ! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ nico@vanderhorn.nl (N.J. van der Horn), VANDERHORN VOF, Oranjelaan 40, 3135 ZP Vlaardingen, The Netherlands, Tel +31104600411, Fax +31104342857 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 30 21:42:01 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04449; Sat, 30 Dec 95 21:42:01 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24672; Sat, 30 Dec 95 21:35:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from sun4nl.NL.net by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24666; Sat, 30 Dec 95 21:35:19 -0800 Received: from horn by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA13888 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Sun, 31 Dec 1995 06:35:17 +0100 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 06:33:50 +0100 (CEST) From: Nico van der Horn To: Anthony Greene Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Dialup Mail Reader In-Reply-To: <4c4t8o$goq@aldus.northnet.org> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 31 Dec 1995, Anthony Greene wrote: > Does anyone know of a mail reader for DOS or Windows that can > dialup and retrieve mail from Unix hosts without using SLIP or PPP? > > -- > > --Tony > Anthony E. Greene > Webmaster, Americal Division Veterans Association: > http://www3.servtech.com/americal/ We use Kendra's UUPC, this is a UUCP implementation for DOS, and it includes a MUA and a Newsreader. I prefer Pine, but it needs TCP/IP and a remote host running IMAP, but maybe this will be configurable someday ?!?! --- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ HAVE A NICE OLD-YEAR'S-NIGHT, BE CAREFUL WITH FIREWORK ! GOOD HEALTH, HAPPINESS, SAFETY AND PROSPERITY FOR 1996 ! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ nico@vanderhorn.nl (N.J. van der Horn), VANDERHORN VOF, Oranjelaan 40, 3135 ZP Vlaardingen, The Netherlands, Tel +31104600411, Fax +31104342857 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 31 01:14:13 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07526; Sun, 31 Dec 95 01:14:13 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27146; Sun, 31 Dec 95 01:01:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27140; Sun, 31 Dec 95 01:01:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tWJZb-00038CC; Sun, 31 Dec 95 00:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Sean Cross Subject: I need help. My postings don't seem to get out. Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 00:44:51 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Why can't my postings to a newsgroup get out. (other than my site.) When i post a message to a newsgroup it's as if the posting does not exist on the other sites. I see my posting on my local site, But anyother site it is not there. I have verifyed this by sending out a post to a newsgroup then telnet to another site, but when i check the newsgroup for my posting the posting is not there. I seem to get answers from my postings in whidbey.com but nowhere else. This can be very frustrating! Help on this would be greatly appreasheated. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 31 07:14:41 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13036; Sun, 31 Dec 95 07:14:41 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03288; Sun, 31 Dec 95 07:01:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03282; Sun, 31 Dec 95 07:01:07 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tWPET-00038CC; Sun, 31 Dec 95 06:59 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: flavell@vxcern.cern.ch (Alan J. Flavell) Subject: Re: Pine for Vax/VMS Message-Id: References: <4be7dq$3n1@yama.mcc.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 14:53:14 GMT In article <4be7dq$3n1@yama.mcc.ac.uk>, Philip Plant writes: (twice - guess who thinks that Netscape is a news client ;-} ) >I understand that there is a version of Pine available for Vax/VMS >systems, and would >be interested if anybody knows where I might obtain the code. If you consult my own installation notes it will give you pointers to the materials. I assume you'd like the free version, done by Yehavi Bourvine at HUJI in Jerusalem. Start at my page: http://ppewww.ph.gla.ac.uk/%7Eflavell/vms-pine.html > P.T.Plant@silsoe.cranfield.ac.uk Gosh, Silsoe, that takes me back to the days of freezing cold cross-country motor cycle journeys, back in student days in the 1960's. Ho hum... p.s. Look out a decent usenet client, though. On my favourite VMS system, we run Madison NEWSRDR as our usenet news client. (I'm only using this present system temporarily, as my regular systems are "down" over the break.) I'm unimpressed by both Netscape and PINE as usenet clients. good luck From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 31 08:34:08 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13929; Sun, 31 Dec 95 08:34:08 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04262; Sun, 31 Dec 95 08:23:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mail.bcpl.lib.md.us by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04256; Sun, 31 Dec 95 08:23:05 -0800 Received: by mail (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA13993; Sun, 31 Dec 1995 11:25:46 +0500 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 11:25:44 -0500 (EST) From: Chip Old X-Sender: fold@mail To: Nico van der Horn Cc: The Pine Discussion List Subject: Re: Addressbook fcc-value ignored with reply In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1589 On Sun, 31 Dec 1995, Nico van der Horn wrote: > On Sat, 30 Dec 1995, Chip Old wrote: > > > I think I missed part of this thread, so pardon me if this has already > > been suggested. > > > > It sounds like you have your "fcc-name-rule" set to "by-recipient". > > Change it to "default-fcc". This will cause messages to people _without_ > > fcc values in your Address Book to be saved to the default fcc folder > > (sent-mail or whatever), but messages to people _with_ fcc values will be > > saved to the folders specified by those fcc values. > > You are right about the setting and its meaning Francis, but in both > cases if the Fcc is set in the addressbook, it is ignored. > > I used fcc-namerule=by-recipient, because mostly I want the Fcc to > correspond to the name of the other party. > > The Fcc in the addressbook entry works for Compose, but not for Reply. On my system it works for Reply too. I just created "testfolder", put you in my Address Book with fcc set to "testfolder", brought up your message for viewing, and pressed "R" to reply. The "fcc" line at the top of this reply says "testfolder", as expected. I have "fcc-name-rule" set to "default-fcc". After I send this off I'll change it to "by-recipient" and see if the fcc behavior is different. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Francis E. Old (Chip Old) Internet: fold@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us Internetworking Administrator Voice: (410) 887-6180 Baltimore County Public Library FAX: (410) 887-2091 320 York Road Towson, Maryland 21204 USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 31 08:37:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13989; Sun, 31 Dec 95 08:37:54 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04312; Sun, 31 Dec 95 08:28:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mail.bcpl.lib.md.us by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04306; Sun, 31 Dec 95 08:28:49 -0800 Received: by mail (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA14209; Sun, 31 Dec 1995 11:31:43 +0500 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 11:31:43 -0500 (EST) From: Chip Old X-Sender: fold@mail To: Nico van der Horn Cc: The Pine Discussion List Subject: Re: Addressbook fcc-value ignored with reply In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 909 > You are right about the setting and its meaning Francis, but in both > cases if the Fcc is set in the addressbook, it is ignored. > > I used fcc-namerule=by-recipient, because mostly I want the Fcc to > correspond to the name of the other party. > > The Fcc in the addressbook entry works for Compose, but not for Reply. This time my setup is as before (replying to your message, your address in my Address Book with fcc set to "testfolder") except that I now have fcc-name-rule set to "by-sender". The "testfolder" fcc associated with your address still appeared on the "fcc" line in this reply. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Francis E. Old (Chip Old) Internet: fold@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us Internetworking Administrator Voice: (410) 887-6180 Baltimore County Public Library FAX: (410) 887-2091 320 York Road Towson, Maryland 21204 USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 31 11:16:43 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16381; Sun, 31 Dec 95 11:16:43 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04813; Sun, 31 Dec 95 11:06:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from sun4nl.NL.net by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04801; Sun, 31 Dec 95 11:06:19 -0800 Received: from horn by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA24252 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Sun, 31 Dec 1995 20:06:18 +0100 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 20:04:40 +0100 (CEST) From: Nico van der Horn To: Chip Old Cc: The Pine Discussion List Subject: Re: Addressbook fcc-value ignored with reply In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 31 Dec 1995, Chip Old wrote: > On Sun, 31 Dec 1995, Nico van der Horn wrote: > > > On Sat, 30 Dec 1995, Chip Old wrote: > > > > > I think I missed part of this thread, so pardon me if this has already > > > been suggested. > > > > > > It sounds like you have your "fcc-name-rule" set to "by-recipient". > > > Change it to "default-fcc". This will cause messages to people _without_ > > > fcc values in your Address Book to be saved to the default fcc folder > > > (sent-mail or whatever), but messages to people _with_ fcc values will be > > > saved to the folders specified by those fcc values. > > > > You are right about the setting and its meaning Francis, but in both > > cases if the Fcc is set in the addressbook, it is ignored. > > > > I used fcc-namerule=by-recipient, because mostly I want the Fcc to > > correspond to the name of the other party. > > > > The Fcc in the addressbook entry works for Compose, but not for Reply. > > On my system it works for Reply too. I just created "testfolder", put > you in my Address Book with fcc set to "testfolder", brought up your > message for viewing, and pressed "R" to reply. The "fcc" line at the top > of this reply says "testfolder", as expected. > > I have "fcc-name-rule" set to "default-fcc". After I send this off I'll > change it to "by-recipient" and see if the fcc behavior is different. Thanks for your help so far Francis ! I hope next year wil give the solution, because I'm really puzzled, for the moment: cheers ! --- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ HAVE A NICE OLD-YEAR'S-NIGHT, BE CAREFUL WITH FIREWORK ! GOOD HEALTH, HAPPINESS, SAFETY AND PROSPERITY FOR 1996 ! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ nico@vanderhorn.nl (N.J. van der Horn), VANDERHORN VOF, Oranjelaan 40, 3135 ZP Vlaardingen, The Netherlands, Tel +31104600411, Fax +31104342857 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 31 14:06:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18963; Sun, 31 Dec 95 14:06:31 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08510; Sun, 31 Dec 95 13:58:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from [204.97.15.12] by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08504; Sun, 31 Dec 95 13:58:03 -0800 Received: from online.magnus1.com (online.magnus1.com [204.97.15.6]) by linux.magnus1.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA00488; Sun, 31 Dec 1995 18:43:55 -0500 Received: from online1.magnus1.com (online1.magnus1.com [204.97.15.10]) by online.magnus1.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id VAA24130; Sun, 31 Dec 1995 21:56:57 GMT Received: (from johnhe@localhost) by online1.magnus1.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) id VAA12125; Sun, 31 Dec 1995 21:57:11 GMT Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 16:57:10 -0500 (EST) From: John Hegeman To: Anthony Greene Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Dialup Mail Reader In-Reply-To: <4c4t8o$goq@aldus.northnet.org> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 31 Dec 1995, Anthony Greene wrote: > Date: 31 Dec 1995 02:41:28 GMT > From: Anthony Greene > To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu > Subject: Dialup Mail Reader > > Does anyone know of a mail reader for DOS or Windows that can > dialup and retrieve mail from Unix hosts without using SLIP or PPP? > > -- > > --Tony > Anthony E. Greene > Webmaster, Americal Division Veterans Association: > http://www3.servtech.com/americal/ > Tony: I use a dial up account to a Unix provider. I use Slipknot which is, as the name implies, a web browser which does not require SLIP/PPP. Your server must provide access for Slipknot (or I-comm, a competitive product.) Slipknot and I-comm are shareware. Let me know if you need an address. Regards, John Hegeman From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 31 14:39:11 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19433; Sun, 31 Dec 95 14:39:11 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07388; Sun, 31 Dec 95 14:30:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07382; Sun, 31 Dec 95 14:30:32 -0800 Received: from localhost by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15359; Sun, 31 Dec 95 14:30:16 -0800 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 14:30:16 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Hubert To: Nico van der Horn Cc: Chip Old , The Pine Discussion List Subject: Re: Addressbook fcc-value ignored with reply In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Organization: University of Washington; Computing and Communications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Thanks for your help so far Francis ! I hope next year wil give the > solution, because I'm really puzzled, for the moment: cheers ! Could it be that the address you are replying to doesn't match exactly the address in your address book? Or, if there is another entry in your address books with the same address, and that entry comes earlier, and that entry doesn't have an fcc, that would do it. Steve Hubert Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 31 15:24:40 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20183; Sun, 31 Dec 95 15:24:40 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08080; Sun, 31 Dec 95 15:17:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08074; Sun, 31 Dec 95 15:17:08 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tWWwa-00038CC; Sun, 31 Dec 95 15:13 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jgvd@guava.epix.net (Jonathan and DearOldDad) Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 31 Dec 1995 22:46:35 GMT Message-Id: <4c73sb$re8@guava.epix.net> References: <49vgqd$5h6@zuul.nmti.com> <4blb43$1v8@zuul.nmti.com> <4c2ieg$b1p@guava.epix.net> Tim Pierce (twpierce@midway.uchicago.edu) wrote: : Jonathan and DearOldDad wrote: : >... the problem is that this group name is : >comp.mail.pine not comp.news.pine and my description of it says something : >like for discussions about the pine mail program or something to that : >effect. : I see. : Am I allowed to conclude, then, that the whole of Pine's support : for Usenet reading and posting constitutes a bug? You may conclude whatever you wish; All I meant to say was that PINE for all it's merits as a mail agent is not the best newsreader available, and if one insists on using it for usenet posting and reading, then when it asks you if you want to also post this reply, and you answer (y)es, don't be surprised if your (r)eply also gets posted. If you only want to reply, not post, answer (n)o to the question. Why is that so difficult? Happy Holidays to y'all. G'Day. John From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 31 16:04:52 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20839; Sun, 31 Dec 95 16:04:52 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10251; Sun, 31 Dec 95 15:57:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10245; Sun, 31 Dec 95 15:57:12 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tWXaL-00038CC; Sun, 31 Dec 95 15:54 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Tim Pierce Subject: Re: Message-Id header Message-Id: References: <4c4k02$gf0@huron.eel.ufl.edu> Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 22:27:10 GMT In article , Ed Greshko wrote: >On 31 Dec 1995, Jeff Mercer wrote: > >> nalt@ub.edu.ar ("Norberto H. Altalef") wrote: >> >> >I'm interested in hide the host name from it. >> >> What, tell you how to forge Message-ID headers so you can be a dickweed and >> spam Usenet? Hah! Fuck off. > > Some people feel that to reveal their hostname can result in >security problems. Their intentions are not as you cite. Those people are nimrods. Obscuring the origin of a message is a security risk in its own right. Besides, if the nature of your organization is so sensitive that even revealing the name of a machine within it is dangerous, then simply removing it from the Message-ID is not a sufficient solution. Post from a different system. >In any case >your use of profane language is inappropriate. Crap. -- By sending unsolicited commercially-oriented e-mail to this address, the sender agrees to pay a $100 flat fee to the recipient for proofreading services. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 31 17:25:08 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22012; Sun, 31 Dec 95 17:25:08 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09763; Sun, 31 Dec 95 17:17:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09757; Sun, 31 Dec 95 17:17:23 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tWYrZ-00038CC; Sun, 31 Dec 95 17:16 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Pine, news, email, privacy Date: 1 Jan 1996 00:35:39 GMT Message-Id: <4c7a8r$rcv@hustle.rahul.net> References: <49vgqd$5h6@zuul.nmti.com> <4blb43$1v8@zuul.nmti.com> <4c2ieg$b1p@guava.epix.net> <4c73sb$re8@guava.epix.net> In <4c73sb$re8@guava.epix.net> jgvd@news.epix.net (Jonathan and DearOldDad) writes: >if one insists on using [pine] for usenet posting and reading, then when it >asks you if you want to also post this reply, and you answer (y)es, don't >be surprised if your (r)eply also gets posted. If you only want to >reply, not post, answer (n)o to the question. Why is that so difficult? I think you missed the context and came in late for this discussion. The email being posted to Usenet was often sent by people not using pine. Thus these people do not have the choice of answering yes or no to pine's prompts -- they are NOT using pine to begin with. It's other people who get email from them who repost it to Usenet. -- Rahul Dhesi == "...Mark Crispin has the good sense to not blather away in newsgroups..." -- Wayne Hathaway From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 31 19:36:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23865; Sun, 31 Dec 95 19:36:20 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11370; Sun, 31 Dec 95 19:27:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11364; Sun, 31 Dec 95 19:27:37 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tWarw-00038CC; Sun, 31 Dec 95 19:25 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sness@nyx.cs.du.edu (seth ness) Subject: pine and mime Date: 31 Dec 1995 19:19:42 -0700 Message-Id: <4c7gbu$eqc@nyx.cs.du.edu> hi, i'm having some bad interactions with pine, listproc and mime. i have some long documents that have some hi-ascii characters scattered through them. because of this pine mime-encodes them. people recieving them on non-mime email programs than get =20 and =098 for newlines and tabs etc. which makes a mess. plus listproc archives them with the =20 and =09's which really sucks. so, is there some easy way around this (besides laboriously picking out the hi-ascii characters,which are there because the doc originates as a partly hebrew doc, and the word proccessor doesn't save in true ascii). like suppressing the mime encoding (i don't mind losing the few hi-ascii characters) or any other suggestions? ness@aecom.yu.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 31 22:30:35 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26085; Sun, 31 Dec 95 22:30:35 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13438; Sun, 31 Dec 95 22:19:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13432; Sun, 31 Dec 95 22:18:58 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tWdYK-00038CC; Sun, 31 Dec 95 22:17 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Sean Cross Subject: repost. Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 21:16:49 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >From secross@whidbey Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 00:44:51 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Cross Newsgroups: comp.mail.pine Subject: I need help. My postings don't seem to get out. Why can't my postings to a newsgroup get out. (other than my site.) When i post a message to a newsgroup it's as if the posting does not exist on the other sites. I see my posting on my local site, But anyother site it is not there. I have verifyed this by sending out a post to a newsgroup then telnet to another site, but when i check the newsgroup for my posting the posting is not there. I seem to get answers from my postings in whidbey.com but nowhere else. This can be very frustrating! Help on this would be greatly appreasheated.