From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 18 20:24:47 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07974; Wed, 18 Oct 95 20:24:47 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00999; Wed, 18 Oct 95 20:19:48 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00993; Wed, 18 Oct 95 20:19:47 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t5lVn-00038EC; Wed, 18 Oct 95 20:19 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: iain@scn.de (Iain Lea) Message-Id: <45bcau$mkq@millie.scn.de> Subject: Re: Can I read POP mail in unix?? Date: Mon, 09 Oct 1995 13:41:34 +0000 References: <44md5a$13ui@news.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: RO X-Status: minrick@mindspring.com (Min-Hsao Chen) wrote: : not. My questions is if there is any way to check a POP mail on a Unix : system? Is there a client for Unix or for openwin or whatever so that I can : check my mail when I am away from my PPP account. ftp://ftp.scn.de/pub/mail/clients/xfmail/ -- Iain Lea RK SCN D, Siemens AG., Germany iain@scn.de +49 911 978 3120 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 19 00:34:26 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14654; Thu, 19 Oct 95 00:34:26 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00435; Thu, 19 Oct 95 00:30:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00429; Thu, 19 Oct 95 00:30:19 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t5pOR-00038DC; Thu, 19 Oct 95 00:27 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: borton@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (borton scott andrew) Subject: Possible pine bug w/large screens Date: 11 Oct 1995 01:11:51 GMT Message-Id: <45f5kn$1u9@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Status: O X-Status: I'm running Pine 3.91 on SVR4, using NCSA Telnet on a Macintosh. When I set my terminal to a large size (stty rows 50 columns 120) the Pine composer starts acting funny. The screen will draw, then the screen will shift up one whole line. Thus, when I compose, it looks like I'm typing on the cc: line when I'm actually typing on the to: line. Needless to say, this is quite frustrating. Any suggestions? --scott From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 19 06:05:04 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23013; Thu, 19 Oct 95 06:05:04 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05305; Thu, 19 Oct 95 05:56:03 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05299; Thu, 19 Oct 95 05:56:01 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t5uTU-00038CC; Thu, 19 Oct 95 05:53 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: FLAVELL@crnvma.cern.ch (Alan J Flavell) Subject: Re: Locating VAX Pine Message-Id: <1743BC4A6S86.FLAVELL@cernvm.cern.ch> References: Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 13:59:01 GMT Status: RO X-Status: In article sugarman@mmpcs1.psf.ge.com (Don Sugarman) writes: >Would someone send me the ftp or http site address for VAX Pine. (I've >lost my notes. :( ) If you're talking about Yehavi's port of PINE to VAX/VMS, then it's available by FTP from vms.huji.ac.il, directory LOCAL you'll need userid "ANONYMOUS" (not "FTP"). If you're talking about vax/ultrix I can't help you. If you're talking about PMDF VMS PINE, it's a commercial product. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 19 19:55:50 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25340; Thu, 19 Oct 95 19:55:50 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24306; Thu, 19 Oct 95 19:52:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24300; Thu, 19 Oct 95 19:52:46 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t67X6-00038DC; Thu, 19 Oct 95 19:50 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dwm@bugsy.aa.ans.net (Daniel W. McRobb) Subject: Re: Getting Mail headers without mail prog??? Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Paul O Bartlett's message of Wed, 18 Oct 1995 10: 43:27 -0400 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 20:54:29 GMT References: <45bj41$71u@nic-nac.CSU.net> Status: O X-Status: In article Paul O Bartlett writes: Return-Receipt-To: pobart@access.digex.net On 17 Oct 1995, Danny van der Rijn wrote: | In article <45bj41$71u@nic-nac.CSU.net> dlegate@rsa.csuhayward.edu (Dan LeGate) writes: | | >So my question is: does anyone know of any | >SMALL utilities out there that will list just your mail headers (besides | >mail and mailx)? Thanks for any help or information you can provide. | | /usr/ucb/from This is fine provided all of your incoming mail is in your INBOX (i.e., still in the mail spool). However, I, like _many_ people, use a utility such as procmail (or filter) to pre-sort mail into various folders before I ever invoke my mail reader (Pine, in my case). I have been wanting a utility (Perl OK) that would list the headers of mail not only remaining in the INBOX but also in pre-sorted folders. Paul My personal prefernce is to use 'scan -file filename'. scan is part of the MH package. I believe a crusty version comes w/ AIX, but you're probably better off building the latest if you don't have it on your system. 'frm' doesn't have enough flexibility for me, and it only spits out the From and Subject fields. I prefer to have more info, so I alias 'frm' to this: scan -form scan.spool -file $MAIL My scan.spool: %<(cur)+%| %>%<{replied}-%| %>\ %02(mon{date})/%02(mday{date}) \ %02(hour{date}):%02(min{date}) %3(tzone{date})\ %<{date} %|*%>\ %<(mymbox{from})--> %5(mbox{to}) %|%8(mbox{from}) %>|\ %{subject}%<{body}<<%{body}%> Daniel ~~~~~~ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 20 15:34:52 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04916; Fri, 20 Oct 95 15:34:52 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20957; Fri, 20 Oct 95 15:25:02 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20951; Fri, 20 Oct 95 15:25:01 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t6PpG-00038DC; Fri, 20 Oct 95 15:22 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Eric Tse Subject: Re: question Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 17:07:55 GMT Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Status: RO X-Status: On 20 Oct 1995, Gentry A. Lankewicz wrote: > When creating a multiple address list, is it possible to hide all the > addresses? For example, when I send a message to everyone Just put all the addresses into the "Bcc:" line instead of the "To:" line. To make the "Bcc:" line show up, press ^R when the cursor is in the header of an e-mail being composed. Eric -= Eric Tse - jyetse@uwaterloo.ca - BL923@torfree.net =- -= http://www.undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca/~jyetse =- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 21 09:46:48 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28800; Sat, 21 Oct 95 09:46:48 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07446; Sat, 21 Oct 95 09:44:38 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shivams.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07440; Sat, 21 Oct 95 09:44:36 -0700 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28781; Sat, 21 Oct 95 09:44:36 -0700 Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 09:44:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Just-send-8? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Organization: University of Washington; Office of Computing & Communications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Davy pointed out to me that I had mis-read his question: he was referring to news rather than email. My apologies... For others, the answer is that Pine 3.92 *will* (optionally) support "just-send-8" for NNTP posting. -teg On Sat, 21 Oct 1995, Terry Gray wrote: > Davy, > "Just-send-8" violates Internet standards and is not supported by Pine, > notwithstanding the fact that a few folks have posted unsanctioned source > patches to make Pine violate the standard. > > Pine 3.92 will support ESMTP negotiation of 8BITMIME, which is the > correct way of solving the problem in the Internet. > > -teg > > On 21 Oct 1995, Davy Cheung wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > By default, Pine uses MIME (Quote-Printable) (and I even got base64 a few > > times) to post 8-bit news. > > > > MIME is useful in mails as many SMTP servers doesn't do 8-bit. However, > > most NNTP can do 8-bit while many popular news readers like tin can't do > > MIME. This is important for Chinese posting. People who read news with tin > > can't read my Chinese postings from Pine. > > > > Is there any method to make Pine 3.91 to post with 8-bit directly? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Regards, > > Davy > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 21 09:52:28 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28904; Sat, 21 Oct 95 09:52:28 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07479; Sat, 21 Oct 95 09:48:05 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shivams.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07473; Sat, 21 Oct 95 09:48:03 -0700 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28842; Sat, 21 Oct 95 09:47:46 -0700 Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 09:47:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Steve Howie Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Wierd Pine Error Message In-Reply-To: <46b06g$4at@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> Message-Id: Organization: University of Washington; Office of Computing & Communications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On 21 Oct 1995, Steve Howie wrote: > By "nailed in the development code" you mean the bug should be fixed in > 3.92? :) Right! -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 21 10:10:33 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29308; Sat, 21 Oct 95 10:10:33 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07768; Sat, 21 Oct 95 10:07:29 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07762; Sat, 21 Oct 95 10:07:27 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t6hNr-00038EC; Sat, 21 Oct 95 10:06 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ivler@crl.com (J.M. Ivler) Subject: Re: Using Procmail Date: 21 Oct 1995 16:33:24 GMT Message-Id: <46b7ck$o5u@nntp.crl.com> References: <4694to$s2j@mogan.cc.metu.edu.tr> Status: O X-Status: ilhan alpay (e069805@narwhal.cc.metu.edu.tr) wrote: : and I have found the binary file of PROCMAIL, but I don't know how to install : this utility to my account. Would you please tell a way to do this ? I am : using Pine and linux. in your .forward put "|IFS=' '&&exec /path/tothe/bin/procmail -f-||exit 75 #yourusername" Have fun. jmi ivler@i-xpress.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 21 10:20:43 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29518; Sat, 21 Oct 95 10:20:43 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04111; Sat, 21 Oct 95 10:17:30 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04105; Sat, 21 Oct 95 10:17:29 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t6hWt-00038DC; Sat, 21 Oct 95 10:16 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ivler@crl.com (J.M. Ivler) Subject: To the developers... Date: 21 Oct 1995 16:35:09 GMT Message-Id: <46b7ft$o5u@nntp.crl.com> Status: O X-Status: So, when is the next release? and Will it support PGP? Thanks, and have a nice day. jmi ivler@i-xpress.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 21 11:26:46 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00832; Sat, 21 Oct 95 11:26:46 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05062; Sat, 21 Oct 95 11:22:38 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05056; Sat, 21 Oct 95 11:22:37 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t6iUp-00038DC; Sat, 21 Oct 95 11:18 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: per@erix.ericsson.se (Per Hedeland) Subject: Re: 400 lines. Pine3.91-8bit Patch, Sendmail8.7, 8bit turns into Quoted-Printable, Pine Q-P "bug". Date: 21 Oct 1995 17:33:32 GMT Message-Id: <46batc$t49@euas20.eua.ericsson.se> References: <45qt71$ba5@euas20.eua.ericsson.se> <46a6so$s9n@hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk> Status: O X-Status: In article <46a6so$s9n@hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk> ktso@decmgt.csc.cuhk.hk (SO Kwok Tsun) writes: >Why sendmail not designed to decode QP to 8BIT when receiving a mail? I believe Eric Allman looked into it during the alpha/beta test period for sendmail 8.7, but found that it was a bit complicated and decided not to delay the release further by implementation and testing of this functionality. It may be included in a future version. > Here in Hong Kong, we don't want to enable the QP flag of HP >sendmail since our major receiver of 8-bit mail do have 8-bit capable >sendmail mostly. I don't know what version HP ships, but as far as 8.7.x (which can of course be installed on HP-UX) is concerned: If they announce their 8-bit capability through the 8BITMIME SMTP extension (as sendmail 8.7 does), sendmail will not convert to Q-P. If they don't, but are known to be 8-bit capable, you can tell sendmail not to convert mail to them via the F=8 mailer flag (this should probably be done per destination, e.g. using a mailertable or LOCAL_NET_CONFIG and the 'smtp8' mailer). The first alternative is obviously more convenient. --Per Hedeland per@erix.ericsson.se From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 21 12:11:32 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01699; Sat, 21 Oct 95 12:11:32 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05716; Sat, 21 Oct 95 12:09:59 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shivams.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05710; Sat, 21 Oct 95 12:09:58 -0700 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01683; Sat, 21 Oct 95 12:09:54 -0700 Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 12:09:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: "J.M. Ivler" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: To the developers... In-Reply-To: <46b7ft$o5u@nntp.crl.com> Message-Id: Organization: University of Washington; Office of Computing & Communications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On 21 Oct 1995, J.M. Ivler wrote: > So, when is the next release? Getting closer. > Will it support PGP? It will have hooks for generic external sending and display filters. It has been observed that this mechanism can be used for seemless integration of facilities such as PGP, but it is also useful for things like display filters for Japanese character sets. -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 21 13:35:39 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03834; Sat, 21 Oct 95 13:35:39 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10554; Sat, 21 Oct 95 13:32:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10548; Sat, 21 Oct 95 13:32:51 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t6kYq-00038DC; Sat, 21 Oct 95 13:30 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: 400 lines. Pine3.91-8bit Patch, Sendmail8.7, 8bit turns into , Quoted-Printable, Pine Q-P "bug". Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 13:27:19 -0700 Message-Id: References: <45qt71$ba5@euas20.eua.ericsson.se> <46a6so$s9n@hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE In-Reply-To: <46a6so$s9n@hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk> Status: RO X-Status: On 21 Oct 1995, SO Kwok Tsun wrote: > SO Kwok Tsun [=C4=AC=B0=EA=ABT] > Information Technology Service Unit, CUHK > [=AD=BB=B4=E4=A4=A4=A4=E5=A4j=BE=C7=B8=EA=B0T=AC=EC=A7=DE=AAA=B0=C8=B3B] > Email: ktso@cuhk.hk The above is an excellent example of why "just send 8-bits" is wrong-headed. I normally read netnews either in a window that displays ISO-8859-1 or ISO-2022-JP. The above text is in BIG5, the encoding used in Taiwan and Hong Kong, and if I display it in a BIG5 xterm it will display properly. In an ISO-8859-1 window the results are, um, interesting. However, since it was just sent as 8-bits, Pine hasn't the slightest idea what character set it is. I suspect that Pine will innocently apply quoted-printable to this message (which isn't bad by itself) but will probably label it as ISO-8859-1. Oops. Not its fault, though. If the posting had been labeled as being MIME CHARSET CN-BIG5, Pine would at least have had some warning. -- Mark -- DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 21 13:44:50 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04049; Sat, 21 Oct 95 13:44:50 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06991; Sat, 21 Oct 95 13:42:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06985; Sat, 21 Oct 95 13:42:52 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t6kjn-00038DC; Sat, 21 Oct 95 13:41 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: 400 lines. Pine3.91-8bit Patch, Sendmail8.7, 8bit turns into , Quoted-Printable, Pine Q-P "bug". Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 13:34:36 -0700 Message-Id: References: <45qt71$ba5@euas20.eua.ericsson.se> <46a6so$s9n@hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: RO X-Status: On Sat, 21 Oct 1995, Mark Crispin wrote: > I suspect that Pine will innocently apply > quoted-printable to this message (which isn't bad by itself) but will > probably label it as ISO-8859-1. Oops. Not its fault, though. No, it labelled it as US-ASCII, since I didn't have it configured for any 8bit character set. US-ASCII with a bunch of undefined 8bit glyphs. Well, I guess that's better than guessing at ISO-8859-1. -- Mark -- DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 22 09:38:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25862; Sun, 22 Oct 95 09:38:23 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26641; Sun, 22 Oct 95 09:31:51 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26635; Sun, 22 Oct 95 09:31:45 -0700 Received: from mailer.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Sun, 22 Oct 1995 17:30:37 +0100 Received: from cst030 by mailer.york.ac.uk via SMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/940406.SGI) for id QAA25847; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 16:31:47 GMT Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 17:26:31 BST From: Vannessa Tobin To: pine info service Message-Id: Priority: Normal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Is it possible to find out someone's e-mail address by typing in their name and university? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 22 10:55:15 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27458; Sun, 22 Oct 95 10:55:15 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27709; Sun, 22 Oct 95 10:47:25 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from jeffnet.org by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27703; Sun, 22 Oct 95 10:47:23 -0700 Received: from jeffnet.org (jeffnet.org [204.214.98.28]) by jeffnet.org (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA31337 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 10:28:13 -0700 Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 10:28:13 -0700 From: "James R. Kelly" Subject: Forwarded mail.... To: PINE-INFO@CAC.WASHINGTON.EDU Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 10:04:04 -0700 From: James R. Kelly To: pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu Subject: I have an old PC (XT clone) runing in a Non-windows DOS environment, I signed up with a non-profit server, Jeffnet and expected to be able to send files from work to home, then work on them at homein my own wordprocessor, convert them to ascii and send them back. I've been working for the Federal Government (US Forest SErvice in a Data General Environment) The documents arrive fine but I cannot make them come over to my PC. I have Procom. The people running the server are all windows based or Mac users and simply said they cannot help me. I'm a union steward and doing work for a lot of employees that need my help and are caught beneath the wheel of working for low wages for the Federal Government w/no benefits,(60% of The Forest Service employees are temporaries yet work the same job year after year with no benefits--all employees killed in last years Storm King debacle in Colorado were temporary employees). I'm in my off season right now and doing unpaid union work. I've been having to drive 100 miles round trip to transfer files from DG to disks to complete my work, when it ought to be easy and at my finger tips. As you might imagine, my management counter parts have been no help this problem. I guess I can take on Pine as an editing place, but the time involved online is problem in writing and editing long documents. If anyone can help it would be very much appreciated. James Kelly, Steward Local 2010 National Federation of Federal Employees From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 22 11:12:50 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27827; Sun, 22 Oct 95 11:12:50 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24272; Sun, 22 Oct 95 11:05:51 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24266; Sun, 22 Oct 95 11:05:49 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t74lE-00038DC; Sun, 22 Oct 95 11:04 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cons087@titan.oit.umass.edu (Ryan Thieme) Subject: Forwarding to distribution lists Date: 22 Oct 1995 17:09:30 GMT Message-Id: <46dtsa$t23@nic.umass.edu> Status: O X-Status: From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 22 11:53:37 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28594; Sun, 22 Oct 95 11:53:37 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24864; Sun, 22 Oct 95 11:46:51 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from server.hamburg.netsurf.de by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24858; Sun, 22 Oct 95 11:46:48 -0700 Received: from mail.isys.net[193.96.224.33] by mail.hamburg.netsurf.de with smtp (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.1); id m0t74UF-000s9aC; Sun, 22 Oct 95 19:47 GMT+0200 Received: from paddington by mail.isys.net with smtp (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.22); id ; Sun, 22 Oct 95 19:46 MEZ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 19:46:40 +0100 (MET) From: michael.joswig@hamburg.netsurf.de X-Sender: michaelj@paddington To: Evelyn Albrecht Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Rejecting incoming mail In-Reply-To: <466edt$e3a@henson.cc.wwu.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Perhaps this is unknown, but ALL traffic of the pine-info mailing list is archived and available on http://www.washington.edu:1180/pine/ There is a search engine. Ciao, Michael On 19 Oct 1995, Evelyn Albrecht wrote: > I think I've seen messages here about how to reject or block incoming > mail from a specified correspondent, but don't remember the answer and can't > find it in the FAQ. So, how's it done? > > Thanks, > Evelyn > -- > |Evelyn Albrecht Ph: (360) 650-3239 | > |Academic Computing Services Internet: evelyn@henson.cc.wwu.edu | > |Western Washington Univ. | > |Bellingham, WA 98225-9094 | > > ================================================================ Michael J. Joswig michael.joswig@Hamburg.NetSurf.DE The great thing about cats on top of the monitor is that they are near to hand when the screen gets a bit dirty ;O) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 22 11:53:52 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28630; Sun, 22 Oct 95 11:53:52 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28415; Sun, 22 Oct 95 11:47:05 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from server.hamburg.netsurf.de by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28409; Sun, 22 Oct 95 11:46:59 -0700 Received: from mail.isys.net[193.96.224.33] by mail.hamburg.netsurf.de with smtp (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.1); id m0t74UT-000sB9C; Sun, 22 Oct 95 19:47 GMT+0200 Received: from paddington by mail.isys.net with smtp (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.22); id ; Sun, 22 Oct 95 19:46 MEZ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 19:46:55 +0100 (MET) From: michael.joswig@hamburg.netsurf.de X-Sender: michaelj@paddington To: Geoffrey Callaghan Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pico In-Reply-To: <463jmu$qaj@news.fsu.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Have you tried ftp.cac.washington.edu ? There are so many binaries and I'm sure SunOS 4.1.3 can be found too. Ciao, Michael PS: If you can't ftp to washington try sending "help" in the BODY of an email to ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com (without the quotes;-) ). That's an ftp-by-email service. On 18 Oct 1995, Geoffrey Callaghan wrote: > > I am looking to get Pico for a sun sparc 2 station running sunos 4.1.3. > I've tried a few ftp sites, but they are all dead or unreachable from > where I'm at. Can anyone tell me a good spot for a recent version? > > Geoff Callaghan > callagha@cs.fsu.edu > > > ================================================================ Michael J. Joswig michael.joswig@Hamburg.NetSurf.DE C++ -- The language in which only friends can access your private members. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 22 16:00:17 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02945; Sun, 22 Oct 95 16:00:17 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01852; Sun, 22 Oct 95 15:56:33 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01846; Sun, 22 Oct 95 15:56:32 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t79Ep-00038EC; Sun, 22 Oct 95 15:51 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mathias@merlion.singnet.com.sg (Dawn Chan) Subject: Why can't I add headers????? Date: 17 Oct 1995 00:48:33 GMT Message-Id: <45uuh1$ct3@lantana.singnet.com.sg> Status: O X-Status: In elm I can easily add headers as and when I need them (eg for a Fax-Server) by using the h)eader option. I can't find a way to do this in pine-3.91? :-( I don't want to see the header in all outgoing mails, only when I send to a fax-gateway (and even then only if I need them). Thus I cannot use the Rich-HeaderSet... Is there any way to do this in pine? Or is there a patch? Thx a lot Mathias -- Mathias Koerber mathias@singnet.com.sg SingNet NOC Mathias_Koerber@POBOX.ORG.SG Singapore Telecoms * Eifersucht ist eine Leidenschaft, die mit Eifer sucht was Leiden schafft * From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 22 17:15:15 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04432; Sun, 22 Oct 95 17:15:15 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29400; Sun, 22 Oct 95 17:13:33 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29394; Sun, 22 Oct 95 17:13:32 -0700 Received: from localhost by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29796; Sun, 22 Oct 95 17:13:26 -0700 Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 17:13:24 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: "Amos A. Gouaux" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: IMSP? (Was: Re: Question On Setting Up Pcpine For Multiple Users) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On 19 Oct 1995, Amos A. Gouaux wrote: > Date: 19 Oct 1995 22:56:57 -0500 > From: Amos A. Gouaux > To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu > Subject: IMSP? (Was: Re: Question On Setting Up Pcpine For Multiple Users) > > Are there any plans to have (PC)Pine support IMSP? > Yes, we plan to work on IMSP support as we convert Pine to support IMAP4. This will be after Pine 3.92+ is released and stable... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 22 17:31:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04833; Sun, 22 Oct 95 17:31:23 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29635; Sun, 22 Oct 95 17:29:34 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ki1.Chemie.FU-Berlin.DE by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29629; Sun, 22 Oct 95 17:29:31 -0700 Received: by ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.1.28.1) from leibniz.math.fu-berlin.de (160.45.40.10) with smtp id ; Mon, 23 Oct 95 01:29 MET Received: by leibniz.math.fu-berlin.de (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.18.1 #18.14) id ; Mon, 23 Oct 95 01:29 MET Received: by landau.math.fu-berlin.de (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.18.1 #18.14) id ; Mon, 23 Oct 95 01:29 MET Message-Id: From: guckes@math.fu-berlin.de (Sven Guckes) Subject: Re: how to find people's email addresses To: vjt101@mailer.york.ac.uk (Vannessa Tobin) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 01:29:19 +0100 (MET) Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu (Pine Information) In-Reply-To: from "Vannessa Tobin" at Oct 22, 95 05:26:31 pm Organization: Free University of Berlin X-Url: http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/ X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 696 Status: O X-Status: Quoting Vannessa Tobin: > Is it possible to find out someone's e-mail address > by typing in their name and university? This is a Frequently Asked Question. Please read the FAQ about it (see appended info). Sven === Subject: FAQ: How to find people's E-mail addresses Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,soc.net-people,news.announce.newusers, news.newusers.questions,comp.answers,soc.answers,news.answers From: dalamb@qucis.queensu.ca (David Alex Lamb) Date: 10 Oct 1995 14:21:56 GMT Organization: Queen's University at Kingston Lines: 806 This FAQ is available on the World-Wide Web (via browsers such as Mosaic or lynx) at From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 22 17:38:26 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04965; Sun, 22 Oct 95 17:38:26 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03236; Sun, 22 Oct 95 17:36:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03230; Sun, 22 Oct 95 17:36:44 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t7Aoq-00038EC; Sun, 22 Oct 95 17:32 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Randy Jay Yarger Subject: Pine and NFS problem Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 19:58:03 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: I have an account which is NFS exported from Machine 1 (a black NeXT) to Machine 2 (AIX 4.1). The account is exported read-write and the uids and groupd match on both machines, so I have no problem manipulating files while logged into Machine 2. Pine works from from Machine 1, but from Machine 2 it hangs while trying to open or write to any folder, including Fcc:. I lists the folders fine, and will "open" empty folders, but anything that's not empty will cause it to hang. After killing the pine process, I've noticed that it creates a folder.lock file on whatever folder was being opened. The .pine-debug files show nothing unusual, just (when trying to open a folder called "jason"): ---- About to open folder "jason" inbox: "INBOX" Close - saved inbox state: max 0 end_signals(1) ** Received SIGTERM ** <--- when I killed the process ---- Any ideas? Thanks, Randy Jay Yarger | Department of Physics, Michigan State University randy@hs1.hst.msu.edu | http://hs1.hst.msu.edu/randy/randy.html From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 22 18:10:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05788; Sun, 22 Oct 95 18:10:06 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00236; Sun, 22 Oct 95 18:06:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00230; Sun, 22 Oct 95 18:06:52 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t7BIh-00038EC; Sun, 22 Oct 95 18:03 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ez855@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jack Zupan) Subject: Silencing multiple recipients Date: 23 Oct 1995 00:21:32 GMT Message-Id: <46en6c$jfs@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Status: O X-Status: I have a short letter I want to send to about 20 people, but don't want all 20 names to show on each one. How can I set it up that each recipient gets it with only his/her name in the "To:" field? The point is I don't want any of them to know who else is getting it. Jack From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 22 20:11:41 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07804; Sun, 22 Oct 95 20:11:41 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02056; Sun, 22 Oct 95 20:07:12 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02050; Sun, 22 Oct 95 20:07:10 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t7DBc-00038HC; Sun, 22 Oct 95 20:04 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: s9302692@otto.bf.rmit.edu.au (Matthew James Cunningham) Subject: trouble compiling pine Date: 23 Oct 1995 01:29:42 GMT Message-Id: <46er66$p6h@aggedor.rmit.EDU.AU> Status: O X-Status: I am having trouble compiling pine on a ICL DRS6000 running SVR4. Pico, mtest, and imapd, all compiled properly. It will not go past addrbook.c. The following messages appear: Making Pine cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"SV4\" -c addrbook.c "/usr/include/stdlib.h", line 94: identifier redeclared: system "/usr/include/unistd.h", line 121: identifier redeclared: rename "addrbook.c", line 7465: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast *** Error Code 1 (bu21) make: fatal error. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Matt From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 22 20:11:49 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07835; Sun, 22 Oct 95 20:11:49 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05506; Sun, 22 Oct 95 20:07:10 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05500; Sun, 22 Oct 95 20:07:08 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t7DB4-00038EC; Sun, 22 Oct 95 20:03 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gs01mew@panther.Gsu.EDU (Eric Wardowski) Subject: Re: Forwarded mail.... Date: 23 Oct 1995 01:44:59 GMT Message-Id: <46es2r$3rt@sphinx.Gsu.EDU> References: Status: O X-Status: James R. Kelly (jkelly@jeffnet.org) wrote: : ---------- Forwarded message ---------- : Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 10:04:04 -0700 : From: James R. Kelly : To: pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu : Subject: : I have an old PC (XT clone) runing in a Non-windows DOS environment, I : signed up with a non-profit server, Jeffnet and expected to be able to : send files from work to home, then work on them at homein my own : wordprocessor, convert them to ascii and send them back. I've been : working for the Federal Government (US Forest SErvice in a Data General : Environment) The documents arrive fine but I cannot make them come over : to my PC. I have Procom. The people running the server are all windows : based or Mac users and simply said they cannot help me. I'm a union steward : and doing work for a lot of employees that need my help and are caught : beneath the wheel of working for low wages for the Federal Government : w/no benefits,(60% of The Forest Service employees are temporaries yet : work the same job year after year with no benefits--all employees killed : in last years Storm King debacle in Colorado were temporary employees). : I'm in my off season right now and doing unpaid union work. I've been : having to drive 100 miles round trip to transfer files from DG to disks : to complete my work, when it ought to be easy and at my finger tips. As : you might imagine, my management counter parts have been no help this : problem. I guess I can take on Pine as an editing place, but the time : involved online is problem in writing and editing long documents. : If anyone can help it would be very much appreciated. First off, if you are on a Unix box for your service you can simply use the editor in Pine for receiving the (A)scii upload from Procomm for DOS. You want Ascii and not Raw Ascii. Your documents can be in a text form for the upload. Get into a message, address it and put in the appropriate subject. Once in the body editor, just upload (page-up) and select (A)scii. Name the file and you will see an unholy wrath of ansi control sequences -- ignore them! You can press - to refresh the screen after the upload has finished. Hope this helps. Downloading is not much different except you will want to do a screen capture (- on mine) and name the capture file. Then type out the mail file using the cat command. I personally use sz and rz for sending and receiving zmodem file protocal. I use this for downloading my mail file. Hope this helps. -- Eric Wardowski eric.ward@swsbbs.com (and other hot spots!) "You live and learn. Or you don't live long!" -- Lazarus Long From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 23 00:12:15 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12641; Mon, 23 Oct 95 00:12:15 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05423; Mon, 23 Oct 95 00:08:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05411; Mon, 23 Oct 95 00:08:52 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t7Gyh-00038EC; Mon, 23 Oct 95 00:07 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Pine and NFS problem Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 23:50:43 -0700 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: Congratulations. You have an unsupported NFS configuration! You see, beloved AIX expects NeXT to support a pair of daemons called rpc.statd and rpc.lockd which attempt to implement system call level file locking over NFS. NeXT, being BSD, does not. AIX, being a persistant little guy, assumes that NeXT may implement it someday, and so it hangs, waiting for NeXT to implement it. Who knows, maybe NEXTSTEP 4.0 will be SVR4 and have those daemons, and then AIX will unblock. The lock files that you see are not part of the disease. Rather, they represent a different locking mechanism. It worked just fine; it's the other locking (one which prevents two copies of Pine from stepping on each other) which faltered. Assuming that you really want to access mail files over NFS on SVR4 (not a good idea, actually; IMAP works much better), what you have to do is to disable the flock() calls (which translate to fcntl() calls on SVR4). Doing so blows away the protection against running two Pines on the same mail file on the local system, but c'est la vie. Unfortunately, this is a little bit hard to do on AIX, as opposed to other forms of SVR4 (such as Solaris), because in Pine 3.91 flock() is emulated by an AIX C library routine. In Pine 3.92, flock() will be emulated by a Pine-internal routine and there is an interface to disable locking. You could do this yourself by dropping in the imap-3.6.BETA version of the IMAP toolkit in place of the imap-3.5 version distributed with Pine 3.91, but you will need to do some C hacking to get it to build. My recommendation is not to use NFS from AIX to the NeXT, but rather to use IMAP. This will avoid all the problems, and give you full locking. On Sun, 22 Oct 1995, Randy Jay Yarger wrote: > I have an account which is NFS exported from Machine 1 (a black NeXT) to > Machine 2 (AIX 4.1). The account is exported read-write and the uids and > groupd match on both machines, so I have no problem manipulating files > while logged into Machine 2. > > Pine works from from Machine 1, but from Machine 2 it hangs while trying > to open or write to any folder, including Fcc:. I lists the folders > fine, and will "open" empty folders, but anything that's not empty will > cause it to hang. > > After killing the pine process, I've noticed that it creates a > folder.lock file on whatever folder was being opened. The .pine-debug > files show nothing unusual, just (when trying to open a folder called > "jason"): > > ---- > About to open folder "jason" inbox: "INBOX" > Close - saved inbox state: max 0 > end_signals(1) > > ** Received SIGTERM ** <--- when I killed the process > ---- > > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > Randy Jay Yarger | Department of Physics, Michigan State University > randy@hs1.hst.msu.edu | http://hs1.hst.msu.edu/randy/randy.html > > -- Mark -- DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 23 02:22:16 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14998; Mon, 23 Oct 95 02:22:16 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10544; Mon, 23 Oct 95 02:17:56 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10538; Mon, 23 Oct 95 02:17:55 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t7J0J-00038EC; Mon, 23 Oct 95 02:17 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Jukka.Toukonen@ficrc.abb.fi (Jukka Toukonen) Subject: Re: letters turn to commands in pine's pico Date: 23 Oct 1995 08:16:38 GMT Message-Id: <46fj16$9ed@idefix.eunet.fi> References: <460lf2$f27@idefix.eunet.fi> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Status: O X-Status: In article <460lf2$f27@idefix.eunet.fi>, Jukka.Toukonen@ficrc.abb.fi says... > >I'm using the version 3.91 and have some difficulties. >Hardware is HP 730 running HP-UX 9.05 > >When composing mail some letters give the message unknown command, >but others print ok. When using standalone pico, no such things happen. > >I´m using plain vanilla (HP) vt100 terminal emulation. ^¨ ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨ It seems that I have to emphasize that I am NOT using hpterm or xterm in X11 environment BUT VT-100 terminal emulation through character terminals or software emulators (kermit, procomm). > >What can I change in configuration files or compiling options >to stop this irritating behaviour? > ************************************************************************ Jukka Toukonen ABB Corporate Research Electronic Systems Laboratory From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 23 04:25:47 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17660; Mon, 23 Oct 95 04:25:47 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08729; Mon, 23 Oct 95 04:13:11 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08723; Mon, 23 Oct 95 04:13:09 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t7Kmx-00038EC; Mon, 23 Oct 95 04:11 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Finn Hybjerg Hansen Subject: Pine 3.92 release...... Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 09:52:20 +0100 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: > On 21 Oct 1995, J.M. Ivler wrote: > > So, when is the next release? On 21 Oct 1995, Terry Gray wrote: > Getting closer. Come on, give us a hint! Is it weeks, month(s) or years to the next release? Is it this year or ........ :-) Well, sorry for being unpatient, but 3.92 seems very promising, with lots of new features, and we are looking forward to update our 3.91 version, soo please give us a little hope, tell us which month(s) to expect the new release.... :-) /Finn From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 23 05:55:48 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19731; Mon, 23 Oct 95 05:55:48 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09953; Mon, 23 Oct 95 05:43:24 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09947; Mon, 23 Oct 95 05:43:22 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t7MCu-00038EC; Mon, 23 Oct 95 05:42 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gc948374@tycho.gbar.dtu.dk (Rask Lambertsen) Subject: Re: Just-send-8? Date: 23 Oct 1995 12:45:40 GMT Message-Id: <46g2pk$dcs@unidhp.uni-c.dk> References: Status: O X-Status: On 21 Oct 1995 09:46:41 -0700 Terry Gray (gray@cac.washington.edu) wrote: > Davy pointed out to me that I had mis-read his question: he was > referring to news rather than email. My apologies... > For others, the answer is that Pine 3.92 *will* (optionally) support > "just-send-8" for NNTP posting. Great, but while I'm stuck with Pine 3.91, how to I get it to post using 8-bit instead of QUOTED-UNREADABLE? And an option would be very nice if you need to send letters to people that don't have MIME-support in their mailer. I'd *very* much like to have the option of using Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Btw, where can I find the patches for Pine 3.91 (QUOTED-UNREADABLE -> 8BIT)? Thanks in advance. Please e-mail answers too. -- Regards, /¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯\ | Rask Ingemann Lambertsen | E-mail: gc948374@gbar.dtu.dk | | Amiga GNU CC README maintainer | WWW: http://srv2.gbar.dtu.dk:8001/Rask/ | | Keyboard error: and are stuck - press to continue | From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 23 06:28:32 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20312; Mon, 23 Oct 95 06:28:32 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13900; Mon, 23 Oct 95 06:13:27 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13894; Mon, 23 Oct 95 06:13:26 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t7Md7-00038EC; Mon, 23 Oct 95 06:09 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nico Bakker Subject: Re: spawning ghostview as ps attchmt reader?? Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 10:45:11 +0100 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On 13 Oct 1995, Lara Rios wrote: > I was wondering if anyone knew how to set up pine to spawn > ghostview to read a postscript attachment. It should work > the same way it does when the attachemnt is a gif or tiff file > and it spawns the image-viewer defined in .pinerc but there is > not a variable in .pinerc for postscript files. > > thanks in advance, > Lara Rios > If there is no variable for postscript files in .pinerc, you could instead try to install a mailcap file (an example can be found in {pine-root}/doc/mailcap.unxadd), and change the viewer entry to your preffered viewer. (See pine documentation for possible locations of this file) For more info on mailcap files, you can get the metamail package mm. mm is available via ftp from directory pub/nsb at ftp.bellcore.com. The distribution is mirrored in Europe in the directory mail/metamail on the machine src.doc.ic.ac.uk, and on ftp.funet.fi in /pub/unix/mail/metamail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nico Bakker, It is not the least charm of a theory Patersstraat 1 that it is refutable. 6828 AG Arnhem F. Nietzsche --LAA02430.814441292/osf.uci.kun.nl-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nico Bakker, It is not the least charm of a theory Patersstraat 1 that it is refutable. 6828 AG Arnhem F. Nietzsche From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 23 07:07:16 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21270; Mon, 23 Oct 95 07:07:16 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10969; Mon, 23 Oct 95 06:55:14 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from visla.utia.cas.cz by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10951; Mon, 23 Oct 95 06:54:25 -0700 Received: by visla.utia.cas.cz (16.7/16.2) id AA06311; Mon, 23 Oct 95 14:34:42 +0100 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 14:34:41 +0100 (MET) From: Vladimir Solnicky =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Vladim=EDr_Solnick=FD?= To: The Pine Discussion List Subject: Re: 400 lines. Pine3.91-8bit Patch, Sendmail8.7, 8bit turns into , Quoted-Printable, Pine Q-P "bug". In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Postal-Address: UTIA AV CR; Pod vodarenskou vezi 4; 182 08 Praha 8-Liben; Czech Republic Acknowledge-To: vs@utia.cas.cz Organization: Institute of Information Theory and Automation (UTIA AV CR) Organizace: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=DAstav_teorie_informace_a_automatizace_(=DATIA)_AV_=C8R?= Transport-Options: /delivery /return Read-Receipt-To: vs@utia.cas.cz X-Chameleon-Receipt-To: vs@utia.cas.cz X-Chameleon-Return-To: vs@utia.cas.cz X-Chameleon-Read-To: vs@utia.cas.cz X-Confirm-Reading-To: vs@utia.cas.cz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Status: O X-Status: On Sat, 21 Oct 1995, Terry Gray wrote: > Having sendmail (or more likely, the delivery program, e.g. /bin/mail) > do QP and Base64 decoding seems like a good idea to me, but I don't know > of anyone who has done it. It can be done starting appropriate filters and changing the headers from procmail (a simple example only for text/plain is in procmailex(1)).= =20 I use procmail as a delivery program, but it is not necessary.=20 Regards, V. S. | | Bc. Vladimir Solnicky (Vladim=EDr Solnick=FD using ISO 8859-1 or 2) | | Institute of Information UTIA AV CR \/ Theory and Automation Pod vodarenskou vezi 4 Department of Computing Systems 182 08 Praha 8-Liben +42 2 6605/2212 fax: +42 2 66414677 Czech Republic +42 2 6605/2364 e-mail: vs@utia.cas.cz ftp.utia.cas.cz http://www.utia.cas.cz/user_data/vs/vs-home-{en|cz|ce}.html From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 23 07:31:27 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21956; Mon, 23 Oct 95 07:31:27 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11465; Mon, 23 Oct 95 07:23:36 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11459; Mon, 23 Oct 95 07:23:35 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t7Nly-00038DC; Mon, 23 Oct 95 07:22 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Davy Cheung Subject: PGP & Pine Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 22:04:54 +0800 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: Hello, On Sat, 21 Oct 1995, krzysiek wrote: > Comment: Processed by mkpgp1.6, a Pine/PGP interface. Just curious... Where to find? Any version for PC-Pine? Thanks. Regards, Davy From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 23 07:50:37 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22480; Mon, 23 Oct 95 07:50:37 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15324; Mon, 23 Oct 95 07:43:39 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15318; Mon, 23 Oct 95 07:43:37 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t7O1p-00038DC; Mon, 23 Oct 95 07:39 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Davy Cheung Subject: Re: Pine 3.92 release...... Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 22:21:08 +0800 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: Hello, On Mon, 23 Oct 1995, Finn Hybjerg Hansen wrote: > Well, sorry for being unpatient, but 3.92 seems very promising, with lots > of new features, and we are looking forward to update our 3.91 version, > soo please give us a little hope, tell us which month(s) to expect the new > release.... :-) Haa... So do I. I am now thinking how to dig out space out of my 3Mb disk quota to store my own copy of Pine 3.92 before a system-wide upgrade is employed. :> Regards, Davy From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 23 07:53:11 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22553; Mon, 23 Oct 95 07:53:11 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11810; Mon, 23 Oct 95 07:43:41 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11804; Mon, 23 Oct 95 07:43:39 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t7O3A-00038EC; Mon, 23 Oct 95 07:40 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sylvia@station.net (God Love You!) Subject: About the location of signature! Date: 23 Oct 1995 14:19:36 GMT Message-Id: <46g89o$c1h@base.station.net> Status: O X-Status: Hi all, I would like to know if pine can locate my pre-set signature under the quoted message when I reply a mail? Since when I tried to reply and quote the old message, I found that my signature located in the top of my message, that's not normal, signature should always at the end of a message. Does anyone know the answer? Thanks alot! :> Sylvia -- #### #### ## # ## # # # GOD # # BLESS # # YOU # # # # # # ***************************** * Email: sylvia@station.net * ***************************** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 23 08:09:15 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23094; Mon, 23 Oct 95 08:09:15 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15633; Mon, 23 Oct 95 07:59:23 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15627; Mon, 23 Oct 95 07:59:21 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t7OIV-00038DC; Mon, 23 Oct 95 07:56 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Psychos 'R Us Subject: Re: Silencing multiple recipients Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 03:19:25 -0500 Message-Id: References: <46en6c$jfs@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <46en6c$jfs@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Status: O X-Status: > I have a short letter I want to send to about 20 people, but don't want > all 20 names to show on each one. > > How can I set it up that each recipient gets it with only his/her name in > the "To:" field? The point is I don't want any of them to know who else > is getting it. At the To: field, press [Ctrl]+[R] -- which will bring up "Rich Header." Of those brought up, there's a Bcc -- Blind Carbon Copy, which is what you want -- just type all the names here. ------------- clip here with virtual scissors -------------- ************************************************************ Looking for roadkills... drop it by honge@creighton.edu... e-mails are welcome anytime -- but mails are not. Keyboard stuck failure. Press F1 to continue. Q: How many Mac users does it take to change a lightbulb? A: None -- there is no icon for that. ************************************************************ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 23 09:42:14 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27183; Mon, 23 Oct 95 09:42:14 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14699; Mon, 23 Oct 95 09:33:49 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14693; Mon, 23 Oct 95 09:33:48 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t7Plm-00038DC; Mon, 23 Oct 95 09:30 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: yfcon@nic.dataphone.se. (Anders Waller) Subject: Re: Getting Mail headers without mail prog??? Date: 23 Oct 1995 14:15:23 GMT Message-Id: <46g81r$c2k@news.dataphone.se> References: <45bj41$71u@nic-nac.CSU.net> Status: O X-Status: EIU#114155 in SSB B-12 LAB (ssb4155@ecom.ecn.bgu.edu) wrote: : In article jfh@austin.ibm.com (John F. Haugh II) writes: : >From: jfh@austin.ibm.com (John F. Haugh II) : >Subject: Re: Getting Mail headers without mail prog??? : >Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 20:19:31 GMT : >In article <45bj41$71u@nic-nac.CSU.net> dlegate@rsa.csuhayward.edu (Dan LeGate) writes: : >>Okay, our sysadmin has cut off rights to /usr/bin/mail and /usr/bin/mailx : >>and has allowed us only to use Pine, which I absolutely love, but I also : >>like to use mail (or mailx) to list my mail headers (mail -H). To my : >>knowledge, pine doesn't have a simple command-line feature to do this - : >>correct me if I'm wrong. So my question is: does anyone know of any : >>SMALL utilities out there that will list just your mail headers (besides : >>mail and mailx)? Thanks for any help or information you can provide. : >Is "awk" out of the question??? This sounds like a trick question ... Hm, I wrote an alias once, before I found out about the from command. Here it is: alias from 'more $MAILPATH | grep From | grep -v "<" | grep -v From: | cut -f2- -d" " ;echo ""; echo "Total Mail and current mailpath:" ; du -k $MAILPATH \!*' Of course you have to have the environment variable MAILPATH set to whereever your mail is. It can easily be improved so it can show how many mails you got. : >-- : >John F. Haugh II PSP Division, IBM/Austin : >SneakerNet: 905/4E016 MaBell: 512-823-8817 : >InterNet: jfh@austin.ibm.com [Member SECA] VNET: JFH at AUSTIN /Anders Waller From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 23 11:22:33 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01738; Mon, 23 Oct 95 11:22:33 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17302; Mon, 23 Oct 95 11:11:43 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from fred.Cary.mci.net by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17296; Mon, 23 Oct 95 11:11:41 -0700 Received: by fred.cary.mci.net (8.6.12/kaw-mci.net/feb95) id OAA12654; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 14:12:15 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 14:12:15 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel M. Barton" X-Sender: dmbarton@fred.cary.mci.net To: Terry Gray , Mark Crispin Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: How to lock inbox folder? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: Thanks for the replies. I'll try and modify the code as you suggested. How about adding a pine flag to select which behavior the user wants? You could default to "last to start", and make it a choice to have "first to start". I know, I know, you'll add it to the list... :-) On a related note, if I've left myself in pine at work, and then kill the pine process from another shell, will I hurt anything? Other than a message I might be creating? Thanks for your help! Daniel --------------------------------------------------------------- | Daniel M. Barton Internet: dmbarton@mci.net | | MCI Internet Services World Wide Web: | | Cary, North Carolina, USA http://infopage.mci.net | --------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 20 Oct 1995, Terry Gray wrote: > Years ago Pine and imapd did what you want, but we got lots of complaints > from people who's PC had wedged and they powered off, leaving a hung pine > or imapd for awhile holding the lock. So we changed to "last one wins". > > The preferred way to solve the problem is to switch to Tenex format, which > allows all sessions to have R/W access (except expunging can only be done > when there is a single client). If Tenex format is not an option because > of legacy mailer access requirements, hacking the c-client source would be > necessary. > > -teg > > On 20 Oct 1995, Daniel Barton wrote: > > > The normal behavior of pine on my SunOS system is that if multiple pine > > sessions open the same inbox, the last to open it gets the folder lock. > > > > How can I change this behavior so that the first session holds the folder > > lock and future sessions get read-only? I couldn't find anything in the FAQ. > > > > Thanks, Daniel > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > | Daniel M. Barton Internet: dmbarton@mci.net | > > | MCI Internet Services World Wide Web: | > > | Cary, North Carolina, USA http://infopage.mci.net | > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > On Fri, 20 Oct 1995, Mark Crispin wrote: > On 20 Oct 1995, Daniel Barton wrote: > > The normal behavior of pine on my SunOS system is that if multiple pine > > sessions open the same inbox, the last to open it gets the folder lock. > > > > How can I change this behavior so that the first session holds the folder > > lock and future sessions get read-only? I couldn't find anything in the FAQ. > > This is the old behavior, and it got changed because people complained > about it (e.g. they left a Pine logged in at the office and found that > they couldn't get read-write when they logged in from home). > > If you really want the old behavior, look for code which looks like this > in pine3.91/imap/c-client/bezerk.c and pine3.91/imap/c-client/mmdf.c > > /* can get the lock? */ > else if (flock (fd,LOCK_EX|LOCK_NB)) { > if (retry-- == KODRETRY) {/* no, first time through? */ > /* yes, get other process' PID */ > if (!fstat (fd,&sbuf) && (i = min (sbuf.st_size,MAILTMPLEN)) && > (read (fd,tmp,i) == i) && !(tmp[i] = 0) && (i = atol (tmp))) { > kill ((int) i,SIGUSR2); > sprintf (tmp,"Trying to get mailbox lock from process %ld",i); > mm_log (tmp,WARN); > } > else retry = 0; /* give up */ > } > close (fd); /* get a new handle next time around */ > if (!stream->silent) { /* nothing if silent stream */ > if (retry) sleep (1); /* wait a second before trying again */ > else mm_log ("Mailbox is open by another process, access is readonly", > WARN); > } > } > > Change that code to read as: > /* can get the lock? */ > else if (flock (fd,LOCK_EX|LOCK_NB)) { > mm_log ("Mailbox is open by another process, access is readonly",WARN); > > > -- Mark -- > > DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" > Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 23 12:31:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05276; Mon, 23 Oct 95 12:31:06 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22900; Mon, 23 Oct 95 12:21:20 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tomobiki-cho.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22894; Mon, 23 Oct 95 12:21:14 -0700 Received: from UW-Gateway.Panda.COM by Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA04140; Mon, 23 Oct 95 12:21:02 -0700 Received: from localhost by Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (NX5.67e/UW-NDC/Panda Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA11283; Mon, 23 Oct 95 12:20:53 -0700 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 12:14:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: How to lock inbox folder? To: "Daniel M. Barton" Cc: Terry Gray , Mark Crispin , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 23 Oct 1995 14:12:15 -0400 (EDT), Daniel M. Barton wrote: > Thanks for the replies. I'll try and modify the code as you suggested. > How about adding a pine flag to select which behavior the user wants? > You could default to "last to start", and make it a choice to have "first > to start". I know, I know, you'll add it to the list... :-) The problem with that is that you are pretty much stuck with making that choice on a systemwide basis. You can't just configure a single app for a single user. You also have to worry about things like IMAP. > On a related note, if I've left myself in pine at work, and then kill the > pine process from another shell, will I hurt anything? Other than a > message I might be creating? No, it shouldn't hurt anything. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 23 12:42:13 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05770; Mon, 23 Oct 95 12:42:13 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23231; Mon, 23 Oct 95 12:36:31 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from fred.Cary.mci.net by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23223; Mon, 23 Oct 95 12:36:26 -0700 Received: by fred.cary.mci.net (8.6.12/kaw-mci.net/feb95) id PAA13022; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 15:30:43 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 15:30:43 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel M. Barton" X-Sender: dmbarton@fred.cary.mci.net To: Mark Crispin Cc: Terry Gray , Mark Crispin , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: How to lock inbox folder? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Ah, let me explain my scenario. We have a userid on our system that is shared between multiple people. Any one of these people can log onto the id and start pine. The problem is that if one person is already in pine another person can steal the folder lock. Since it's a single userid, there is only one .pinerc file and my scenario would work. We want whoever was in pine first to keep the inbox lock until they get out of it. If there is ever a problem, a user can kill the running pine process. Thanks, Daniel --------------------------------------------------------------- | Daniel M. Barton Internet: dmbarton@mci.net | | MCI Internet Services World Wide Web: | | Cary, North Carolina, USA http://infopage.mci.net | --------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 23 Oct 1995, Mark Crispin wrote: > On Mon, 23 Oct 1995 14:12:15 -0400 (EDT), Daniel M. Barton wrote: > > Thanks for the replies. I'll try and modify the code as you suggested. > > How about adding a pine flag to select which behavior the user wants? > > You could default to "last to start", and make it a choice to have "first > > to start". I know, I know, you'll add it to the list... :-) > > The problem with that is that you are pretty much stuck with making that > choice on a systemwide basis. You can't just configure a single app for a > single user. You also have to worry about things like IMAP. > > > On a related note, if I've left myself in pine at work, and then kill the > > pine process from another shell, will I hurt anything? Other than a > > message I might be creating? > > No, it shouldn't hurt anything. > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 23 12:48:35 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05937; Mon, 23 Oct 95 12:48:35 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19868; Mon, 23 Oct 95 12:42:27 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shivams.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19862; Mon, 23 Oct 95 12:42:26 -0700 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05790; Mon, 23 Oct 95 12:42:19 -0700 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 12:42:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: "Daniel M. Barton" Cc: Mark Crispin , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: How to lock inbox folder? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Organization: University of Washington; Office of Computing & Communications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Daniel, Why don't you use Tenex format for the mailbox? That avoids the locking problem and even permits concurrent updates. -teg On Mon, 23 Oct 1995, Daniel M. Barton wrote: > Ah, let me explain my scenario. We have a userid on our system that is > shared between multiple people. Any one of these people can log onto the > id and start pine. The problem is that if one person is already in pine > another person can steal the folder lock. Since it's a single userid, > there is only one .pinerc file and my scenario would work. > > We want whoever was in pine first to keep the inbox lock until they get > out of it. If there is ever a problem, a user can kill the running pine > process. > > Thanks, Daniel > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > | Daniel M. Barton Internet: dmbarton@mci.net | > | MCI Internet Services World Wide Web: | > | Cary, North Carolina, USA http://infopage.mci.net | > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > On Mon, 23 Oct 1995, Mark Crispin wrote: > > > On Mon, 23 Oct 1995 14:12:15 -0400 (EDT), Daniel M. Barton wrote: > > > Thanks for the replies. I'll try and modify the code as you suggested. > > > How about adding a pine flag to select which behavior the user wants? > > > You could default to "last to start", and make it a choice to have "first > > > to start". I know, I know, you'll add it to the list... :-) > > > > The problem with that is that you are pretty much stuck with making that > > choice on a systemwide basis. You can't just configure a single app for a > > single user. You also have to worry about things like IMAP. > > > > > On a related note, if I've left myself in pine at work, and then kill the > > > pine process from another shell, will I hurt anything? Other than a > > > message I might be creating? > > > > No, it shouldn't hurt anything. > > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 23 13:32:28 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08488; Mon, 23 Oct 95 13:32:28 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24760; Mon, 23 Oct 95 13:27:38 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from fred.Cary.mci.net by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24753; Mon, 23 Oct 95 13:27:34 -0700 Received: by fred.cary.mci.net (8.6.12/kaw-mci.net/feb95) id QAA13617; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:28:09 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:28:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel M. Barton" X-Sender: dmbarton@fred.cary.mci.net To: Terry Gray Cc: Mark Crispin , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: How to lock inbox folder? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I'm going to have to plead ignorance here, how do I set this up on my machine? I'm not familiar with Tenex format. Any pointers will be useful. It does sound like I want to do. Thanks! Daniel --------------------------------------------------------------- | Daniel M. Barton Internet: dmbarton@mci.net | | MCI Internet Services World Wide Web: | | Cary, North Carolina, USA http://infopage.mci.net | --------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 23 Oct 1995, Terry Gray wrote: > Daniel, > Why don't you use Tenex format for the mailbox? That avoids the locking > problem and even permits concurrent updates. > > -teg > > On Mon, 23 Oct 1995, Daniel M. Barton wrote: > > > Ah, let me explain my scenario. We have a userid on our system that is > > shared between multiple people. Any one of these people can log onto the > > id and start pine. The problem is that if one person is already in pine > > another person can steal the folder lock. Since it's a single userid, > > there is only one .pinerc file and my scenario would work. > > > > We want whoever was in pine first to keep the inbox lock until they get > > out of it. If there is ever a problem, a user can kill the running pine > > process. > > > > Thanks, Daniel > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > | Daniel M. Barton Internet: dmbarton@mci.net | > > | MCI Internet Services World Wide Web: | > > | Cary, North Carolina, USA http://infopage.mci.net | > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > On Mon, 23 Oct 1995, Mark Crispin wrote: > > > > > On Mon, 23 Oct 1995 14:12:15 -0400 (EDT), Daniel M. Barton wrote: > > > > Thanks for the replies. I'll try and modify the code as you suggested. > > > > How about adding a pine flag to select which behavior the user wants? > > > > You could default to "last to start", and make it a choice to have "first > > > > to start". I know, I know, you'll add it to the list... :-) > > > > > > The problem with that is that you are pretty much stuck with making that > > > choice on a systemwide basis. You can't just configure a single app for a > > > single user. You also have to worry about things like IMAP. > > > > > > > On a related note, if I've left myself in pine at work, and then kill the > > > > pine process from another shell, will I hurt anything? Other than a > > > > message I might be creating? > > > > > > No, it shouldn't hurt anything. > > > > > > > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 23 13:35:15 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08550; Mon, 23 Oct 95 13:35:15 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24890; Mon, 23 Oct 95 13:30:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from convex.convex.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24884; Mon, 23 Oct 95 13:30:45 -0700 Received: from la_hp.convex.com by convex.convex.com (8.6.4.2/1.35) id PAA06098; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 15:30:43 -0500 Received: by la_hp.convex.com (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA09240; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:22:57 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:22:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Jim Reed To: James Poulakos Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: How to resume a stopped pine process? In-Reply-To: <3t0sqa$rmt@kralle.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On 30 Jun 1995, James Poulakos wrote: > I must have accidentally typed control Z or control S. My pine program is > "stopped," according to the output of the ps command in UNIX, but I was > in the middle of a huge letter! > > When I restart pine, I get a new process that is readonly. How can I resume > or restart the old process and get my letter back on the screen? I can't > find this in the docs or the newsgroup.... > James, if you think you typed ^Z, just do a fg to bring the process back to the foreground. If you have typed ^S, just type ^Q to resume output to the window. If all else fails kill -9 and start a new instance. After pine comes up you should be able to compose ("c") a new message and you will be prompted as to whether or not you want to continue with your "abandoned" mail. Say yes ("y") and be where you want to be. Anyway, I see from the message header that you posted this question several months ago. Hopefully, this answer is redundant by now :). I just received your post today! Regards, Jim Reed =============================================================================== James D. Reed (Jim) page: (800)796-7363 PIN 101-2512 Senior Systems Engineer CONVEX Computer Corporation fax: (303) 752-4926 3025 South Parker Road, Suite 109 uucp: jdreed@convex.com Aurora, CO 80014 phone: (303) 752-2900 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 23 14:01:45 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09721; Mon, 23 Oct 95 14:01:45 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21835; Mon, 23 Oct 95 13:57:20 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tomobiki-cho.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21827; Mon, 23 Oct 95 13:57:15 -0700 Received: from UW-Gateway.Panda.COM by Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA04202; Mon, 23 Oct 95 13:56:26 -0700 Received: from localhost by Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (NX5.67e/UW-NDC/Panda Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA11572; Mon, 23 Oct 95 13:55:58 -0700 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 13:47:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: How to lock inbox folder? To: "Daniel M. Barton" Cc: Terry Gray , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:28:09 -0400 (EDT), Daniel M. Barton wrote: > I'm going to have to plead ignorance here, how do I set this up on my > machine? I'm not familiar with Tenex format. Any pointers will be useful. I think that the Pine Technical Notes have a section on it. Basically, Tenex format is the format used by the "MM" program for many years. It originated on the old Tenex operating system. It has both the byte count of the mailbox and pre-allocated flag space in out-of-band information (that is, the internal header), so you can use random acces update-mode I/O to manipulate mailboxes. The only time you have to rewrite message data is when doing an expunge, and even that is just blatting subsequent messages on top of an expunge message. There are two variants. MTX format is actually closer to what the Tenex OS really used, since it uses CR/LF newlines instead of Unix-style newlines. MBX is something new and experimental and not supported by Pine yet. It has a 2K binary header which contains additional mailbox particulars to fully support IMAP4 protocol features. There's a tool that converts between all of these various formats. The easiest way to use Tenex format is to create an empty file in your home directory called mail.txt The next time Pine is started, it will automatically pull new mail from /usr/spool/mail into mail.txt and do the format conversion as well. All new mail delivered to /usr/spool/mail in the future will also be snarf into mail.txt by Pine. You may not want to do this if you intend to use some program other than Pine, but if you're only using Pine you'll find that using Tenex format is usually a performance win. The main difference is that if you do a text search of all messages in a big mailbox, it'll be slower with Tenex format. This is because Pine won't read the entire mailbox into memory with Tenex format. On the other hand, this can be a big win if Pine's memory use was a concern. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 23 14:02:08 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09762; Mon, 23 Oct 95 14:02:08 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21809; Mon, 23 Oct 95 13:56:24 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from jefferson.fairfield.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21803; Mon, 23 Oct 95 13:56:19 -0700 Received: from strouss.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by jefferson.fairfield.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with UUCP id PAA14373 for cac.washington.edu!pine-info; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 15:51:46 -0500 From: Paul Simdars - 472-1871 X-Mailer: SCO System V Mail (version 3.2) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Pine installation Date: Mon, 23 Oct 95 12:49:52 CDT Message-Id: <9510231249.aa09294@strouss.strouss.com> Status: O X-Status: I tried to install Pine on our SCO unix network and got the message that it was unable to access netdb.h (while compiling). I asked around and netdb.h comes with the network development package. This seems odd to me. We have a network and we have uucp mail with mailx, why shoule Pine need ent'? If it is for the news reader, we really won't be donig any of that. Is there a way to install it with out the network development? Must be. We have SCO unix 3.2.4 and will be upgrading imminently to Version 5.0.0 SCO Enterprise system. Thanks for any help. paul@strouss.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 23 14:04:59 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09918; Mon, 23 Oct 95 14:04:59 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25564; Mon, 23 Oct 95 13:59:27 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25556; Mon, 23 Oct 95 13:59:25 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t7TxT-00038DC; Mon, 23 Oct 95 13:58 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: twells@netcom.com (Tabor J. Wells) Subject: A Pine feature I'd like to see... Message-Id: Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 17:29:38 GMT Status: O X-Status: This is really minor, but sufficiently irritating that I'd love to see it changed in the next version. In a nutshell, I'd like to see the header section display the prompts in the order in which they are specified in the 'default-composer-hdrs=' line of .pinerc. For example, my conf is set to To:, CC:, Reply-To:, Attchmnt:, Subject: in that order but pine will always display the Reply-To: header first which continually trips me up when I'm sending mail that doesn't need it. I know I can specify that it only appear in the Rich Header mode, but I do use it enough that that is just as annoying. :) Anyway, I hope this changes in 3.92... If there is some setting I'm overlook that already does this in 3.91, then I apologize and beg for some kind soul to tell me how to do this. :) Tabor -- ______________________________________________________________________________ Tabor J. Wells twells@netcom.com|"All those moments will be lost in time Asst Syst. Specialist twells@nesl.edu| like tears in rain. Time to die." #include | -from the movie Blade Runner _____________________________________|________________________________________ Opinions expressed in the above message are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer, The New England School of Law From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 23 14:41:10 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11847; Mon, 23 Oct 95 14:41:10 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22959; Mon, 23 Oct 95 14:34:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22953; Mon, 23 Oct 95 14:34:31 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t7UVj-00038HC; Mon, 23 Oct 95 14:34 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: eq3jpf@eq10.eq.uc.pt (Joao Ramos Ferreira) Subject: Where can I find Pine (for UNIX) ? Date: 23 Oct 1995 17:33:56 GMT Message-Id: <46gjm4$64j@gnu.mat.uc.pt> Status: O X-Status: CAn someone tell where can i find PINE for UNIX ? Thanks From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 23 15:02:27 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12906; Mon, 23 Oct 95 15:02:27 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27228; Mon, 23 Oct 95 14:59:34 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27220; Mon, 23 Oct 95 14:59:32 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t7Use-00038DC; Mon, 23 Oct 95 14:58 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bhunt@brians.umd.edu (Brian R. Hunt) Subject: addressbook questions--lists, nested aliases, etc. Date: 23 Oct 95 16:32:47 GMT Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: I have been trying the last week or two to switch to Pine from another program which has become obsolete. After having converted all my aliases and distribution lists to the addressbook format, there are still a few things bugging me. 1) Is it possible to define an alias which reads addresses in from another file with a more flexible format--such as one address per line, with the ability to comment out a line? I would find it much easier to manage my distribution lists by directly editing such a file. Further, I have one list which seems to be too long for Pine to handle inside an addressbook--I gather this is a known problem, but have not seen any workaround. 2) Pine does not allow a "nickname" (alias) with a '@' character. Is there any way around this restriction? I actually use such aliases with my old mail program to rewrite the addresses of a couple people whose email comes with an incorrect return address--this way I can just reply to their messages without having to manually change the return address each time. 3) Is there any way to suppress Pine's attempts to incorporate the "full name" field in an addressbook entry into the "To:" line of an outgoing message? I am interested especially in cases where the alias is a distribution list or is an alias to another alias. Editing the addressbook by hand to remove the "full name" field helps in some cases but seems a less than ideal solution regardless--it would be nice to be able to use this field to organize the addressbook but not have it affect the "To:" line. Many thanks for any suggestions. -- Brian R. Hunt bhunt@ipst.umd.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 23 15:15:07 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13701; Mon, 23 Oct 95 15:15:07 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23982; Mon, 23 Oct 95 15:09:35 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23976; Mon, 23 Oct 95 15:09:34 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t7V1K-00038DC; Mon, 23 Oct 95 15:07 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: nora@ne.Snafu.DE (Nora E. Etukudo) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 95 17:17:37 GMT Message-Id: <95Oct23.170648.28424@ne.Snafu.DE> References: <46en6c$jfs@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Silencing multiple recipients Status: O X-Status: > I have a short letter I want to send to about 20 people, but don't want > all 20 names to show on each one. > > How can I set it up that each recipient gets it with only his/her name in > the "To:" field? The point is I don't want any of them to know who else > is getting it. In Pine "Compose Message", you can press ^R which will show you something like =---8<--------------------------- cut here -------------------------->8---= PINE 3.91 COMPOSE MESSAGE Folder: INBOX 10 Messages To : Cc : Bcc : Newsgrps: Fcc : sent-mail Attchmnt: Subject : ----- Message Text ----- =---8<--------------------------- cut here -------------------------->8---= All "Blind" recipients of your message have to go in the "Bcc:" field. They will get your message, but will not appear in outgoing headers. Liebe Gruesse, Nora. -- | nora@eeubln.IN-Berlin.DE (Nora E. Etukudo) | nora@sirene.IN-Berlin.DE (SIRENE, eine Offline-Mailbox *nur* fuer Frauen) | nora@ne.Snafu.DE | +4930 8932911, 14400-V42bis (24h) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 23 15:15:46 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13813; Mon, 23 Oct 95 15:15:46 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27553; Mon, 23 Oct 95 15:12:01 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from server.hamburg.netsurf.de by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27547; Mon, 23 Oct 95 15:11:59 -0700 Received: from mail.isys.net[193.96.224.33] by mail.hamburg.netsurf.de with smtp (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.1); id m0t7UAk-000sAzC; Mon, 23 Oct 95 23:12 GMT+0200 Received: from paddington by mail.isys.net with smtp (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.22); id ; Mon, 23 Oct 95 23:11 MEZ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 23:12:11 +0100 (MET) From: michael.joswig@hamburg.netsurf.de X-Sender: michaelj@paddington To: Pine-Info Mailinglist Subject: Is this a bug or a feature? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hi there, when I reply to someone and postpone the email the "A"-Flag (email answered) will not be set. Did I misconfigured my system or is this known to others? Ciao, Michael PS: My Config: Pine 3.91 Solaris 2.4, sun4c, cold weather(outside);-) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2i Comment: PGP Signed with PineSign 2.2 iQB1AwUBMIwTLhWxHCTRfN4BAQHdWgL/TEYpk7U2j1DbzEsOPKEJXNPB14yQlcJA 9me6NnacEsgcMIsCpRdEjecVY6N4PAxQsaPsNkTilThffe2dQZBMBxXCbZxqSji7 EzfmPCHSAVAqHXV01mqe7X0sUSdk8hh7 =ZWFB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ================================================================ Michael J. Joswig michael.joswig@Hamburg.NetSurf.DE The Alchemist's Guild is opposite the Gambler's Guild. Usually. Sometimes it's above it, or below it, or falling in bits around it. (Terry Pratchett, Men At Arms) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 23 15:18:03 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13960; Mon, 23 Oct 95 15:18:03 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27627; Mon, 23 Oct 95 15:14:35 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27619; Mon, 23 Oct 95 15:14:33 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t7V8Z-00038DC; Mon, 23 Oct 95 15:14 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Abraham Gutman Subject: VMS Mail -> Pine Format Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 17:10:14 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Does anyone have/know of a way to transfer VMS Mail folders and messages (or only messages) from the VMS format to Pine/Unix Mail format? We are going from one to the other, from a Vax which is not networked in our backbone, to AIX/Pine 3.9 I would be happy to have a batch file that would: 1. transform the mail files into pine readable format. 2. dump them into tape and transfer them. Any ideas other than "extract" the mail messages and send them to yourself? thanks, --A From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 23 15:21:22 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14206; Mon, 23 Oct 95 15:21:22 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27768; Mon, 23 Oct 95 15:17:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from SWBTS.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27760; Mon, 23 Oct 95 15:17:43 -0700 Received: by swbts.swbts.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA17439; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 17:16:17 -0500 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 17:16:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Marshall Alexander To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, Mr Datatel Subject: Limit ^T Access To Files For Attachments In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: We were about to implement PINE 3.91 as our mail user agent campus wide here. We discovered that in the composition of an e-mail message with the use of an attachment; the ^T To Files option would allow one to journey thoughout our Unix system directories. I have to deal with very novice users .... I cannot allow them to venture outside of their own personal directories. How do I accomplish this ??? We are on a DEC 5500 Mips based machine under Ultrix 4.3A OS. I have been the Systems Admin since 1991 so I am really just a rookie myself in the Unix world. Do I need to change directory permissions ... or group assignments .... or compile PINE with certain .h file definitions "turned off" or what ????????? Sorry if this is not considered a part of this e-mail list.... but I did not know how to get assistence in solving this problem otherwise. PINE is a very good product and we are excited about its productive use at our institution once this one issue is solved. Thanks for your assistence !!!!! Sincerely, Marshall Alexander ********************************************************* ** Marshall Alexander ** ** marshall@swbts.swbts.edu ** ** Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary ** ** P.O. Box 22000-2A ** ** Fort Worth, Texas 76122-0020 ** ** (817) 923-1921 ext. 2480 ** ** (817) 923-1921 ext. 2341 FAX ** ********************************************************* From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 23 16:33:46 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18492; Mon, 23 Oct 95 16:33:46 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26274; Mon, 23 Oct 95 16:30:11 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from elwha.evergreen.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26251; Mon, 23 Oct 95 16:29:43 -0700 Received: by elwha.evergreen.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/16Jan95-8.2MPM) id AA23523; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:31:20 -0700 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:31:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Joe Pollock To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: How does Pine determine message status? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Just one of those curious questions - one of the lists to which I subscribe suffered a mail loop over the weekend, with multiple copies of the same message received over several hours. The duplicates were not marked "N" in the inbox index. I don't remember if the original message was still in the inbox after reading. Just what does pine do to determine message status on received mail? Could this have been set at the originating site? Joe Pollock The Evergreen State College From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 23 16:40:08 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18885; Mon, 23 Oct 95 16:40:08 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26332; Mon, 23 Oct 95 16:33:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26326; Mon, 23 Oct 95 16:33:05 -0700 Received: from localhost by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20385; Mon, 23 Oct 95 16:33:05 -0700 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 14:06:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Lobenstine Subject: Pine FAQs To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Cc: ELOB@CHEM.CHEM.ROCHESTER.EDU Message-Id: <01HWS6ACXAVY0001KZ@CHEM.CHEM.ROCHESTER.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:32:55 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: David L Miller Resent-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Resent-Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: Hello - The index on ftp.cac.washington.edu shows a directory pine/docs/faqs (or somesuch), in which are several files with various questionsand answers. I looked in this directory, but it was empty. I downloaded the faq.mbox file in the pine/docs directory, but this did not have the question/answer that I'm looking for. I'm converting to Pine on Unix from VMSMail/PMDF Mail on Vax VMS. Is there a simple / convenient way to convert VMS distribution lists (.DIS files) to an addressbook entry. Several of my users have quite a few of these distribution lists, and I surely do not wish to tell them that they have to enter them again by hand. Also, does Pine support a global addressbook, available to all users of a machine, to maintain more general mailing lists? I scanned the help notes briefly, but did not find anything. Please feel free to repost to the pmdf-info list, if that is appropriate. Thanks for your help! Eric Lobenstine Postmaster@chem.chem.rochester.edu Chemistry Department University of Rochester Rochester, NY 14627 elob@chem.chem.rochester.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 23 22:34:19 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28929; Mon, 23 Oct 95 22:34:19 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06529; Mon, 23 Oct 95 22:30:35 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06523; Mon, 23 Oct 95 22:30:34 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t7bvz-00038EC; Mon, 23 Oct 95 22:29 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Re: About the location of signature! Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 21:05:01 -0400 Message-Id: References: <46g89o$c1h@base.station.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <46g89o$c1h@base.station.net> Status: O X-Status: On 23 Oct 1995, God Love You! wrote: > I would like to know if pine can locate my pre-set signature under the > quoted message when I reply a mail? [...] From the Main Menu, go into Setup and Config. Scroll down and turn on the signature-at-bottom indicator. Paul -------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett P. O. Box 857 Vienna, VA 22183-0857 U.S.A. Finger, keyserver, or email for PGP 2.6 public key -------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 23 23:18:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29864; Mon, 23 Oct 95 23:18:12 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03594; Mon, 23 Oct 95 23:15:13 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03588; Mon, 23 Oct 95 23:15:12 -0700 Received: from localhost by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27796; Mon, 23 Oct 95 23:15:06 -0700 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 23:15:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Hubert Reply-To: Steve Hubert To: Finn Hybjerg Hansen Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine 3.92 release...... In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Organization: University of Washington; Computing and Communications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 23 Oct 1995, Finn Hybjerg Hansen wrote: > Come on, give us a hint! Is it weeks, month(s) or years to the next > release? Is it this year or ........ :-) Past history has shown that if we estimate that we'll release by date X, there is then zero chance that we'll make it by date X. It doesn't matter how pessimistic we are. Really, this is true, ask anyone who has been using Pine for a few years! If we said, "surely by the end of the year...," then you could count on it not being until January or February at least. So, you really don't want us to make an estimate, that would just delay things. > Well, sorry for being unpatient, but 3.92 seems very promising, with lots > of new features, and we are looking forward to update our 3.91 version, > soo please give us a little hope, tell us which month(s) to expect the new > release.... :-) > > /Finn Disclaimer: The "surely by the end of the year..." example was not meant to be a secret estimate :-), but *certainly* you can count on it being out in less than a year from now. Oops... Steve Hubert Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 23 23:58:58 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00697; Mon, 23 Oct 95 23:58:58 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04159; Mon, 23 Oct 95 23:55:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04153; Mon, 23 Oct 95 23:55:44 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t7dCr-00038DC; Mon, 23 Oct 95 23:51 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cscspm@dlsu.edu.ph (Sammy Mallare) Subject: Pine for VMS Date: 24 Oct 1995 10:38:55 +0800 Message-Id: <46hjjv$4mn@nntp.dlsu.edu.ph> Status: O X-Status: hi! i'm looking for Pine for VMS...the one that doesn't have a serious bug. we have a version (forgot which) that has a problem on getting the e-mail address when issuing a reply command. any kind soul out there can help me? please specify the version number. thanks! -- sammy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sammy P. Mallare [cscspm@dlsu.edu.ph] (http://www.dlsu.edu.ph/~cscspm) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 24 00:37:39 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01582; Tue, 24 Oct 95 00:37:39 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08437; Tue, 24 Oct 95 00:35:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from [202.54.1.177] by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08417; Tue, 24 Oct 95 00:35:16 -0700 Received: by giasmd01.vsnl.net.in; (5.65/1.1.8.2/19Sep95-0236PM) id AA04016; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 13:08:55 GMT Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 13:08:55 +0000 (WET) From: BANK OF MADURA LTD To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Returned mail: User unknown (fwd) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 12:59:49 GMT From: Mail Delivery Subsystem To: MDSAAB34@giasmd01.vsnl.net.in Subject: Returned mail: User unknown ----- Transcript of session follows ----- While talking to mx2.cac.washington.edu: >>> RCPT To: <<< 550 ... User unknown 550 pine-faq@cac.washington.edu... User unknown ----- Unsent message follows ----- Received: by giasmd01.vsnl.net.in; (5.65/1.1.8.2/19Sep95-0236PM) id AA03771; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 12:59:49 GMT Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 12:59:49 +0000 (WET) From: BANK OF MADURA LTD To: pine-faq@cac.washington.edu Subject: Mail for FAQ Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Can u send me the latest list on FAQ's please? Thks and regds nkk From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 24 00:43:34 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01704; Tue, 24 Oct 95 00:43:34 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04873; Tue, 24 Oct 95 00:37:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from [202.54.1.177] by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04863; Tue, 24 Oct 95 00:37:47 -0700 Received: by giasmd01.vsnl.net.in; (5.65/1.1.8.2/19Sep95-0236PM) id AA04325; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 13:11:31 GMT Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 13:11:30 +0000 (WET) From: BANK OF MADURA LTD To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Returned mail: User unknown (fwd) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 13:04:56 GMT From: Mail Delivery Subsystem To: MDSAAB34@giasmd01.vsnl.net.in Subject: Returned mail: User unknown ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 comp.mail.pine@giasmd01.vsnl.net.in... User unknown ----- Unsent message follows ----- Received: by giasmd01.vsnl.net.in; (5.65/1.1.8.2/19Sep95-0236PM) id AA03573; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 13:04:56 GMT Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 13:04:56 +0000 (WET) From: BANK OF MADURA LTD To: comp.mail.pine@giasmd01.vsnl.net.in Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am new to internet and I use PINE email software. The messages i receive are stored in the Service Provider's Hardisk. Sometimes the messages are lengthy and take a long time for me to browse. Is ther any way to download these EMAIL messages to my local P.C Hardisk. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 24 01:14:15 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02490; Tue, 24 Oct 95 01:14:15 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08965; Tue, 24 Oct 95 01:10:58 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08959; Tue, 24 Oct 95 01:10:57 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t7eN1-00038DC; Tue, 24 Oct 95 01:06 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Moshe Segal Subject: Pico problem temporarily solved Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 17:11:41 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: A while back I asked for help concerning the DOS version of Pico. It seemed that although it accessed files from other default directories as long as it was in the PATH, it would not writhe to the files when requested. But in reading the man pages for the Unix version, I found the -t switch. This enables writing to a file regardless of directory. There is only one drawback: On exiting, I do not have the option not to save my work under the -t parameter. The only way I can see getting around this is rebooting. Does anyone know of a better solution? Thanks. Do not look at the flask Moshe E. Segal But at what it contains 1336 Cory Drive A new flask may be filled with old wine Dayton, Oh 45406 And an old flask may be empty even of new wine (513) 279-0438 (Ethics of the Fathers 4:27) s010mes@discover.wright.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 24 02:52:44 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04182; Tue, 24 Oct 95 02:52:44 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06482; Tue, 24 Oct 95 02:41:11 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06476; Tue, 24 Oct 95 02:41:10 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t7fmt-00038DC; Tue, 24 Oct 95 02:36 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Davy Cheung Subject: Re: Just-send-8? Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 22:09:29 +0800 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: Hello, On 21 Oct 1995, Terry Gray wrote: > Davy pointed out to me that I had mis-read his question: he was > referring to news rather than email. My apologies... Nevermind... Instead, thank you for your help indeed. Looking forward to Pine 3.92. :> Regards, Davy From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 24 03:31:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05277; Tue, 24 Oct 95 03:31:12 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07098; Tue, 24 Oct 95 03:23:20 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from visla.utia.cas.cz by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07070; Tue, 24 Oct 95 03:21:38 -0700 Received: by visla.utia.cas.cz (16.7/16.2) id AA13129; Tue, 24 Oct 95 11:18:08 +0100 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 11:18:07 +0100 (MET) From: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Vladimir_Solnicky_Vladim=EDr_Solnick=FD?= To: The Pine Discussion List Subject: Re: How to lock inbox folder? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Postal-Address: UTIA AV CR; Pod vodarenskou vezi 4; 182 08 Praha 8-Liben; Czech Republic Acknowledge-To: vs@utia.cas.cz Organization: Institute of Information Theory and Automation (UTIA AV CR) Organizace: Zstav teorie informace a automatizace (ZTIA) AV HR Transport-Options: /delivery /return Read-Receipt-To: vs@utia.cas.cz X-Chameleon-Receipt-To: vs@utia.cas.cz X-Chameleon-Return-To: vs@utia.cas.cz X-Chameleon-Read-To: vs@utia.cas.cz X-Confirm-Reading-To: vs@utia.cas.cz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 23 Oct 1995, Mark Crispin wrote: > The easiest way to use Tenex format is to create an empty file in your ho= me > directory called mail.txt The next time Pine is started, it will > automatically pull new mail from /usr/spool/mail into mail.txt and do the > format conversion as well. All new mail delivered to /usr/spool/mail in = the > future will also be snarf into mail.txt by Pine. And if I save some messages from mail.txt to another folders, will they be saved in tenex or Berkeley format? What about saving to a new folder?=20 And the last problem: Once I got a 50 MB long log mail and pine crashed on it (cannot resize memory). I solved it with another tools (elm). Do you think that it never happens with all mail in mail.txt for amounts less then 100 MB (normally I have never had more then 11 MB, now I have 1.5 MB). Thanks for your answers. Regards, V. S. | | Bc. Vladimir Solnicky (Vladim=EDr Solnick=FD using ISO 8859-1 or 2) | | Institute of Information UTIA AV CR \/ Theory and Automation Pod vodarenskou vezi 4 Department of Computing Systems 182 08 Praha 8-Liben +42 2 6605/2212 fax: +42 2 66414677 Czech Republic +42 2 6605/2364 e-mail: vs@utia.cas.cz ftp.utia.cas.cz http://www.utia.cas.cz/user_data/vs/vs-home-{en|cz|ce}.html From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 24 03:45:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05485; Tue, 24 Oct 95 03:45:54 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10913; Tue, 24 Oct 95 03:36:18 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10907; Tue, 24 Oct 95 03:36:16 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t7ge9-00038DC; Tue, 24 Oct 95 03:31 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "K.P. Chow" Subject: Re: Where can I find Pine (for UNIX) ? Date: 24 Oct 1995 06:05:10 GMT Message-Id: <46hvmm$mbv@newsgate.sps.mot.com> References: <46gjm4$64j@gnu.mat.uc.pt> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: eq3jpf@eq10.eq.uc.pt (Joao Ramos Ferreira) wrote: >CAn someone tell where can i find PINE for UNIX ? > > Thanks > I don't know if this is an official site for the newest pine, but you can try ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine Regards, Ka-po CHOW -- Motorola Semiconductors Hong Kong Ltd. E-mail: kpchow@aap1aix.sps.mot.com, kp2chow@csd.hku.hk From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 24 04:47:01 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07316; Tue, 24 Oct 95 04:47:01 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12060; Tue, 24 Oct 95 04:36:25 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12048; Tue, 24 Oct 95 04:36:23 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t7hcm-00038DC; Tue, 24 Oct 95 04:34 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: zach@world.std.com (Zachary H Leber) Subject: seeing time in index list Message-Id: Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 03:40:15 GMT Status: O X-Status: Is there a way of displaying the time as well as date of the messages in your INBOX when they are in the list? Please email to zach@world.std.com. Thanks. -- ----------------------------------------------------- | Zach Leber | zach@world.std.com | | RSA | | | 22 Terry Avenue | Tel: 617-238-0600 x1312 | From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 24 05:18:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08182; Tue, 24 Oct 95 05:18:20 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08566; Tue, 24 Oct 95 04:46:26 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08560; Tue, 24 Oct 95 04:46:25 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t7hnf-00038EC; Tue, 24 Oct 95 04:45 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Steven C. King" Subject: Re: Threaded news in pine ??? Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 23:16:28 -0400 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: On Sat, 21 Oct 1995, krzysiek wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hello, > > Just to be sure - is it somehow possible to get the news threaded usin > pine to read them ???? > If yes - please respond ...... > > Krzysztof > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: 2.6.i > Comment: Processed by mkpgp1.6, a Pine/PGP interface. > > iQB1AgUBMIj+u13sFJJee2p1AQE6fQL9G/XEH6PGuCU8TvFrOOovhFH6nO2r1KQ4 > umRfWxr/kte92RaHx34kL44cMQ0TN7pOfHwR77swV8+z7+OzJ7OMQz5Ag3wk9AjK > qNPU5DBzV4qGXw9GZIoBZDRx0G5ar9gS > =VYhs > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > I know that in Pine 3.91 you can sort the articles by OrderedSubj in the Setup/Config menu under the sort-key category. See if that helps. {--------------------------------------------------------------------------} { Name: Steven C. King Institution: Florida State University } { Addr: sck4518@garnet.acns.fsu.edu Major field: MM Performance } { stevekng@freenet.fsu.edu Instrument: Clarinet, piano (hobby) } { cujo@tweety.csv.eku.edu Last words: Gravity. Why fight it? } {--------------------------------------------------------------------------} From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 24 07:14:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10660; Tue, 24 Oct 95 07:14:06 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10538; Tue, 24 Oct 95 07:01:28 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from news.pacifier.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10532; Tue, 24 Oct 95 07:01:27 -0700 Received: from bart by news.pacifier.com with uucp for cac.washington.edu!pine-info (Linux Smail3.1.29.1 #30) id m0t7jv1-0009BqC; Tue, 24 Oct 95 07:01 PDT Received: from bart.wfsg.com by bart.wfsg.com id aa00587; 24 Oct 95 6:50 PDT Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 06:50:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Hansen To: Pine Info List Subject: Tenex mailbox Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I have created the mail.txt file in $HOME. After restarting Pine, it never gets filled with the IN mail. The in mail stays in /usr/spool/mail/dave. Could my version be "hacked" to prevent tenex support? -Dave Hansen dave@wfsg.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 24 07:20:30 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10841; Tue, 24 Oct 95 07:20:30 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14125; Tue, 24 Oct 95 07:01:28 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from news.pacifier.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14119; Tue, 24 Oct 95 07:01:27 -0700 Received: from bart by news.pacifier.com with uucp for cac.washington.edu!pine-info (Linux Smail3.1.29.1 #30) id m0t7jv1-0009BoC; Tue, 24 Oct 95 07:01 PDT Received: from bart.wfsg.com by bart.wfsg.com id aa00577; 24 Oct 95 6:48 PDT Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 06:48:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Hansen To: Pine Info List Subject: Eudora's Dates Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Is there a way to make Pine recognize the dated from Eudora's headers? They appear as xxx -1 in the date field. Upon looking into the headers of the message, the date is there but not exactly the same as Pine. Thanks for any info.... -Dave Hansen dave@wfsg.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 24 08:20:33 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12342; Tue, 24 Oct 95 08:20:33 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15302; Tue, 24 Oct 95 08:07:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from fred.Cary.mci.net by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15296; Tue, 24 Oct 95 08:07:43 -0700 Received: by fred.cary.mci.net (8.6.12/kaw-mci.net/feb95) id LAA16300; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 11:08:18 -0400 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 11:08:17 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel M. Barton" X-Sender: dmbarton@fred.cary.mci.net To: Mark Crispin Cc: Terry Gray , pine-info@CAC.Washington.EDU Subject: Re: How to lock inbox folder? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Works like a charm! Thanks for your help! Daniel --------------------------------------------------------------- | Daniel M. Barton Internet: dmbarton@mci.net | | MCI Internet Services World Wide Web: | | Cary, North Carolina, USA http://infopage.mci.net | --------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 23 Oct 1995, Mark Crispin wrote: > On Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:28:09 -0400 (EDT), Daniel M. Barton wrote: > > I'm going to have to plead ignorance here, how do I set this up on my > > machine? I'm not familiar with Tenex format. Any pointers will be useful. > > I think that the Pine Technical Notes have a section on it. > > Basically, Tenex format is the format used by the "MM" program for many years. > It originated on the old Tenex operating system. It has both the byte count > of the mailbox and pre-allocated flag space in out-of-band information (that > is, the internal header), so you can use random acces update-mode I/O to > manipulate mailboxes. The only time you have to rewrite message data is when > doing an expunge, and even that is just blatting subsequent messages on top of > an expunge message. > > There are two variants. MTX format is actually closer to what the Tenex OS > really used, since it uses CR/LF newlines instead of Unix-style newlines. MBX > is something new and experimental and not supported by Pine yet. It has a 2K > binary header which contains additional mailbox particulars to fully support > IMAP4 protocol features. There's a tool that converts between all of these > various formats. > > The easiest way to use Tenex format is to create an empty file in your home > directory called mail.txt The next time Pine is started, it will > automatically pull new mail from /usr/spool/mail into mail.txt and do the > format conversion as well. All new mail delivered to /usr/spool/mail in the > future will also be snarf into mail.txt by Pine. > > You may not want to do this if you intend to use some program other than Pine, > but if you're only using Pine you'll find that using Tenex format is usually a > performance win. The main difference is that if you do a text search of all > messages in a big mailbox, it'll be slower with Tenex format. This is because > Pine won't read the entire mailbox into memory with Tenex format. On the > other hand, this can be a big win if Pine's memory use was a concern. > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 24 08:36:26 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13196; Tue, 24 Oct 95 08:36:26 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12153; Tue, 24 Oct 95 08:24:35 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from zodiac.unl.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12137; Tue, 24 Oct 95 08:24:21 -0700 Received: by zodiac.unl.ac.uk (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA19285; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 16:12:46 +0100 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 16:12:45 +0100 (BST) From: Clifford Wesley Fulford To: Dave Hansen Cc: Pine Info List Subject: Re: Tenex mailbox In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hi Dave Regards to Lana. On Tue, 24 Oct 1995, Dave Hansen wrote: > I have created the mail.txt file in $HOME. After restarting Pine, it > never gets filled with the IN mail. The in mail stays in > /usr/spool/mail/dave. Could my version be "hacked" to prevent tenex support? > I tried this just now under solaris 2.4. The mail was transfered ok to what I assume is tenex format in $HOME/mail.txt, but on trying to exit pine appeared to hang. After 5 minutes or so I killed the process and tried restarting. It hung again. I moved mail.txt to another filename in my main folder collection, expecting to have to edit it back at some stage to an ordinary mail file, but I find it loads happily into pine as part of a folder collection (although not of course into mail or mailx). So whats going wrong when it tries to use it as the inbox? Clifford From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 24 09:18:38 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15841; Tue, 24 Oct 95 09:18:38 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16749; Tue, 24 Oct 95 09:02:04 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16743; Tue, 24 Oct 95 09:02:03 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t7llE-00038DC; Tue, 24 Oct 95 08:59 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Karen Stratton Subject: Re: Where can I find Pine (for UNIX) ? Date: 24 Oct 1995 11:25:33 GMT Message-Id: <46iifd$37v@allnews.infi.net> References: <46gjm4$64j@gnu.mat.uc.pt> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: eq3jpf@eq10.eq.uc.pt (Joao Ramos Ferreira) wrote: >CAn someone tell where can i find PINE for UNIX ? I got it at ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/ -- +-------------------------------+-------------------------------+ | Karen D. Stratton | Email: stratton@btg.com | | Chesapeake, Virginia | Voice: (804) 479-0347 | +-------------------------------+-------------------------------+ | Mom to three rambuncious girls: | | Mallory (11/12/89), Rachel (9/13/92) and still nursing, | | Taylor Jo (2/10/95). | +---------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 24 09:33:45 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16794; Tue, 24 Oct 95 09:33:45 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13919; Tue, 24 Oct 95 09:22:08 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13913; Tue, 24 Oct 95 09:22:06 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t7m41-00038DC; Tue, 24 Oct 95 09:18 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Davy Cheung Subject: Re: Just-send-8? Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 09:07:38 +0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: Hello Mr Erlingsson, As I found that I can't send you my reply, let me post here. Hope you don't mind... ==Forward==> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 09:01:22 +0800 (HKT) From: Davy Cheung To: Leif Erlingsson cc: Leif Erlingsson Subject: Re: Just-send-8? Hello, On Mon, 23 Oct 1995, Leif Erlingsson wrote: > > Is there any method to make Pine 3.91 to post with 8-bit directly? > > Ahhhhh, I found the patch here at work. Here goes........ Oh! Thanks a lot for your great help!! Regards, Davy From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 24 10:09:08 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18243; Tue, 24 Oct 95 10:09:08 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14623; Tue, 24 Oct 95 09:46:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from news.pacifier.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14617; Tue, 24 Oct 95 09:46:52 -0700 Received: from bart by news.pacifier.com with uucp for cac.washington.edu!pine-info (Linux Smail3.1.29.1 #30) id m0t7mV6-0009BoC; Tue, 24 Oct 95 09:46 PDT Received: from bart.wfsg.com by bart.wfsg.com id aa16426; 24 Oct 95 9:42 PDT Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 09:42:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Hansen To: Mark Crispin Cc: Pine Info List Subject: Re: Tenex mailbox In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: That was it! My config file had /usr/spool/mail/dave. Then I got permission probs so I set mail.txt to 660 owned by dave. Works great! -Dave On Tue, 24 Oct 1995, Mark Crispin wrote: > On 24 Oct 1995, Dave Hansen wrote: > > I have created the mail.txt file in $HOME. After restarting Pine, it > > never gets filled with the IN mail. The in mail stays in > > /usr/spool/mail/dave. Could my version be "hacked" to prevent tenex support? > > It's possible, but first check the following: > 1) make sure that mail.txt is empty (0 bytes) and doesn't have > any spurious whitespace or newlines. > 2) make sure "inbox-path" in .pinerc is set to INBOX, and not > to /usr/spool/mail/dave > > -- Mark -- > > DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" > Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 24 10:18:34 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18669; Tue, 24 Oct 95 10:18:34 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18620; Tue, 24 Oct 95 10:07:14 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18614; Tue, 24 Oct 95 10:07:12 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t7mnw-00038DC; Tue, 24 Oct 95 10:06 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Stephen Weihman Subject: Re: Is this a bug or a feature? Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 12:01:27 -0400 Message-Id: <308D0DD7.7E34@stpd001.gteds.gtenet.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: michael.joswig@hamburg.netsurf.de wrote: > Hi there, > > when I reply to someone and postpone the email the "A"-Flag (email answered) will not be set. > > Did I misconfigured my system or is this known to others? This is normal operation. As you have not yet replied to the mail, the replied-to flag is not set. If you finish and post the postponed message, the flag will then be set. -- Stephen From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 24 11:51:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22004; Tue, 24 Oct 95 11:51:31 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20844; Tue, 24 Oct 95 11:35:48 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from THOR.INNOSOFT.COM by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20838; Tue, 24 Oct 95 11:35:46 -0700 Received: from 192.160.253.104 ("port 1537"@TOOSI.INNOSOFT.COM) by INNOSOFT.COM (PMDF V5.0-5 #2001) id <01HWTF9WXEYI9BVHID@INNOSOFT.COM> for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 11:34:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aesop.rutgers.edu ("port 2951"@aesop.rutgers.edu) by INNOSOFT.COM (PMDF V5.0-5 #2001) id <01HWTESGKAFG9BVHID@INNOSOFT.COM> for service@INNOSOFT.COM; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 11:20:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from AESOP.RUTGERS.EDU by AESOP.RUTGERS.EDU (PMDF V5.0-4 #8073) id <01HWTD57H5C0007HVA@AESOP.RUTGERS.EDU>; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 10:33:37 -0400 (EDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 10:33:36 GMT--800 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 10:33:37 -0400 (EDT) Resent-From: portia@INNOSOFT.COM (portia shao) From: "Gregory J. DiLalo" Subject: NNTP posting authentication in Pine Resent-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu To: service@INNOSOFT.COM Cc: DILALO Resent-Message-Id: <01HWTF9X0MP89BVHID@INNOSOFT.COM> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Resent-Mailer: Mulberry [version 1.0.0b10] Status: O X-Status: What are the possibilities of adding the standard nntp authentication hooks in Pine for news servers that require this. I'm thinking along the lines of the MadGoat newsrdr program that has incorporated this feature to our great satisfaction. Greg DiLalo -------------------------------------+--------------------------------------- --- Gregory J. DiLalo | Voice (Work): (908) 932-9159 Ext. 27 Systems and Communications Manager & | Voice (Home): (908) 257-6969 Director of Administrative Computing | FAX: (908) 932-8887 Cook College/NJAES | Internet: dilalo@aesop.rutgers.edu Rutgers, The State University of NJ | Bitnet: dilalo%aesop.rutgers.edu@cunyvm -------------------------------------+--------------------------------------- --- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 24 12:08:43 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22919; Tue, 24 Oct 95 12:08:43 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17516; Tue, 24 Oct 95 11:46:02 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from CLIFF.CS.RL.AF.MIL by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17510; Tue, 24 Oct 95 11:45:59 -0700 Received: (from huse@localhost) by cliff.cs.rl.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.6) id OAA26815; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 14:46:29 -0400 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 14:46:29 -0400 (EDT) From: "Scott M. Huse" To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hi, Is it possible to use Pine with a mailing list? If so, how? Thank you. Scott =================================================================== Scott M. Huse Rome Laboratory/C3AB Email: huse@einstein.cs.rl.af.mil 525 Brooks Road Phone: (315) 330-2925 Griffiss AFB, NY 13441-4505 Fax : (315) 330-2807 http://www.ics.rl.af.mil/About/Huse.html =================================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 24 12:15:35 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23361; Tue, 24 Oct 95 12:15:35 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17911; Tue, 24 Oct 95 12:02:28 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17905; Tue, 24 Oct 95 12:02:27 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t7oYh-00038DC; Tue, 24 Oct 95 11:58 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: n9243953@gonzo.cc.wwu.edu (Ryan C.) Subject: rejecting e-mail Date: 24 Oct 95 08:23:12 GMT Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: I was wondering if anyone has had any luck rejecting e-mail from a specific address? I didn't find any usefull information regarding this quandry on the pine web page so I was hopeing someone might have some practicle experience to bestow upon me... my e-mail is n9243953@scooter.cc.wwu.edu -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 24 12:59:21 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25095; Tue, 24 Oct 95 12:59:21 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18760; Tue, 24 Oct 95 12:33:24 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from server.hamburg.netsurf.de by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18754; Tue, 24 Oct 95 12:33:21 -0700 Received: from mail.isys.net[193.96.224.33] by mail.hamburg.netsurf.de with smtp (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.1); id m0t7oAe-000sG5C; Tue, 24 Oct 95 20:33 GMT+0200 Received: from paddington by mail.isys.net with smtp (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.22); id ; Tue, 24 Oct 95 20:32 MEZ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 20:33:19 +0100 (MET) From: michael.joswig@hamburg.netsurf.de X-Sender: michaelj@paddington To: Stephen Weihman Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Is this a bug or a feature? In-Reply-To: <308D0DD7.7E34@stpd001.gteds.gtenet.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 24 Oct 1995, Stephen Weihman wrote: > michael.joswig@hamburg.netsurf.de wrote: > > > Hi there, > > > > when I reply to someone and postpone the email the "A"-Flag (email answered) will not be set. > > > > Did I misconfigured my system or is this known to others? > > This is normal operation. As you have not yet replied to the mail, the replied-to flag is not set. If > you finish and post the postponed message, the flag will then be set. Yes, that's what I expected. Unfortunately it doesn't. Even after sending the emails none Flags were set. (I didn't quit pine nor suspended it, it was open all the time). So the question is still active. > > -- Stephen > > Ciao, Michael ================================================================ Michael J. Joswig michael.joswig@Hamburg.NetSurf.DE Galbraith's Law of Human Nature: Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everybody gets busy on the proof. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 24 13:08:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26097; Tue, 24 Oct 95 13:08:12 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22544; Tue, 24 Oct 95 12:42:34 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22538; Tue, 24 Oct 95 12:42:32 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t7pAa-00038DC; Tue, 24 Oct 95 12:37 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Leif Erlingsson Subject: [8.7.1] `.' problem known to MIME RFC 1521 writers! [sendmail, Pine CUT's mail] Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 21:43:47 +0100 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Status: RO X-Status: This is a comment to ``sendmail [8.7] & Pine [3.91] CUT's mail'' by myself. Check out item 7 below .... I guess I wasn't the first one to find out about the `.' problem..... RFC 1521 specifically cautions developers of MIME-aware software NEVER TO ALLOW A SINGLE `.' ON A LINE! I'm afraid neither Eric P. Allman (mime.c in sendmail) nor the Pine development crew read this passage..... /Leif Erlingsson, home: work: Tel: +46 8 604 0995 Tel: +46 8 764 8495 Fax: +46 8 604 0995 (ask 1'st) Fax: +46 8 29 4975 E-mail: Leif.Erlingsson@mailbox.swipnet.se E-mail: leierl@rsv.svskt.se RFC 1521 Appendix B -- General Guidelines For Sending Email Data Internet email is not a perfect, homogeneous system. Mail may become corrupted at several stages in its travel to a final destination. Specifically, email sent throughout the Internet may travel across many networking technologies. Many networking and mail technologies do not support the full functionality possible in the SMTP transport environment. Mail traversing these systems is likely to be modified in such a way that it can be transported. There exist many widely-deployed non-conformant MTAs in the Internet. These MTAs, speaking the SMTP protocol, alter messages on the fly to take advantage of the internal data structure of the hosts they are implemented on, or are just plain broken. The following guidelines may be useful to anyone devising a data format (Content-Type) that will survive the widest range of networking technologies and known broken MTAs unscathed. Note that anything encoded in the base64 encoding will satisfy these rules, but that some well-known mechanisms, notably the UNIX uuencode facility, will not. Note also that anything encoded in the Quoted-Printable encoding will survive most gateways intact, but possibly not some gateways to systems that use the EBCDIC character set. 1. Under some circumstances the encoding used for data may change as part of normal gateway or user agent operation. In particular, conversion from base64 to quoted-printable and vice versa may be necessary. This may result in the confusion of CRLF sequences with line breaks in text bodies. As such, the persistence of CRLF as something other than a line break must not be relied on. 2. Many systems may elect to represent and store text data using local newline conventions. Local newline conventions may not match the RFC822 CRLF convention -- systems are known that use plain CR, plain LF, CRLF, or counted records. The result is that isolated CR and LF characters are not well tolerated in general; they may be lost or converted to delimiters on some systems, and hence must not be relied on. 3. TAB (HT) characters may be misinterpreted or may be automatically converted to variable numbers of spaces. This is unavoidable in some environments, notably those not based on the ASCII character set. Such conversion is STRONGLY DISCOURAGED, but it may occur, and mail formats must not rely on the persistence of TAB (HT) characters. 4. Lines longer than 76 characters may be wrapped or truncated in some environments. Line wrapping and line truncation are STRONGLY DISCOURAGED, but unavoidable in some cases. Applications which require long lines must somehow differentiate between soft and hard line breaks. (A simple way to do this is to use the quoted-printable encoding.) 5. Trailing "white space" characters (SPACE, TAB (HT)) on a line may be discarded by some transport agents, while other transport agents may pad lines with these characters so that all lines in a mail file are of equal length. The persistence of trailing white space, therefore, must not be relied on. 6. Many mail domains use variations on the ASCII character set, or use character sets such as EBCDIC which contain most but not all of the US-ASCII characters. The correct translation of characters not in the "invariant" set cannot be depended on across character converting gateways. For example, this situation is a problem when sending uuencoded information across BITNET, an EBCDIC system. Similar problems can occur without crossing a gateway, since many Internet hosts use character sets other than ASCII internally. The definition of Printable Strings in X.400 adds further restrictions in certain special cases. In particular, the only characters that are known to be consistent across all gateways are the 73 characters that correspond to the upper and lower case letters A-Z and a-z, the 10 digits 0-9, and the following eleven special characters: "'" (ASCII code 39) "(" (ASCII code 40) ")" (ASCII code 41) "+" (ASCII code 43) "," (ASCII code 44) "-" (ASCII code 45) "." (ASCII code 46) "/" (ASCII code 47) ":" (ASCII code 58) "=" (ASCII code 61) "?" (ASCII code 63) A maximally portable mail representation, such as the base64 encoding, will confine itself to relatively short lines of text in which the only meaningful characters are taken from this set of 73 characters. 7. Some mail transport agents will corrupt data that includes certain literal strings. In particular, a period (".") alone on a line is known to be corrupted by some (incorrect) SMTP implementations, and a line that starts with the five characters "From " (the fifth character is a SPACE) are commonly corrupted as well. A careful composition agent can prevent these corruptions by encoding the data (e.g., in the quoted-printable encoding, "=46rom " in place of "From " at the start of a line, and "=2E" in place of "." alone on a line. Please note that the above list is NOT a list of recommended practices for MTAs. RFC 821 MTAs are prohibited from altering the character of white space or wrapping long lines. These BAD and illegal practices are known to occur on established networks, and implementations should be robust in dealing with the bad effects they can cause. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 24 13:45:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28063; Tue, 24 Oct 95 13:45:42 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20616; Tue, 24 Oct 95 13:35:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20608; Tue, 24 Oct 95 13:35:45 -0700 Received: from localhost by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12694; Tue, 24 Oct 95 13:35:43 -0700 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 14:17:17 +0100 (BST) From: Bob Ford To: Pine Info Subject: Mail Detection Message-Id: -100000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 14:27:30 +0100 (BST) X-Resent-From: Bob Ford X-Resent-To: majordomo-owner@cac.washington.edu X-Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 13:35:39 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: David L Miller Resent-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Resent-Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: When Pine receives mail can it perform functions (move,delete,etc) on messages dependent on sender??? I would like pine to automatically file messages into sensible folders on arrival, any chances??? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 24 13:57:48 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28851; Tue, 24 Oct 95 13:57:48 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20999; Tue, 24 Oct 95 13:49:19 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20993; Tue, 24 Oct 95 13:49:17 -0700 Received: from localhost by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12957; Tue, 24 Oct 95 13:49:13 -0700 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 13:49:10 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: Stephen Weihman Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Is this a bug or a feature? In-Reply-To: <308D0DD7.7E34@stpd001.gteds.gtenet.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 24 Oct 1995, Stephen Weihman wrote: > michael.joswig@hamburg.netsurf.de wrote: > > > Hi there, > > > > when I reply to someone and postpone the email the "A"-Flag (email answered) will not be set. > > > > Did I misconfigured my system or is this known to others? > > This is normal operation. As you have not yet replied to the mail, the replied-to flag is not set. If > you finish and post the postponed message, the flag will then be set. > Unfortunately, when you resume a composition, Pine is not able to tell which message is being replied to. We expect this to change at some point... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 24 14:03:56 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29291; Tue, 24 Oct 95 14:03:56 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24612; Tue, 24 Oct 95 13:52:35 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from serv0.cae.wisc.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24606; Tue, 24 Oct 95 13:52:34 -0700 Received: from hp-150.cae.wisc.edu (hoerning@hp-150.cae.wisc.edu [144.92.4.105]) by serv0.cae.wisc.edu (8.6.12 CAE/8.6.10) with ESMTP id PAA23121 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 15:52:24 -0500 From: Jeffrey Mark Hoerning Received: (hoerning@localhost) by hp-150.cae.wisc.edu (8.6.10 CAE/8.6.9) id PAA12671 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 15:52:26 -0500 Message-Id: <199510242052.PAA12671@hp-150.cae.wisc.edu> Subject: phone numbers To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 15:52:26 CDT X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 109.14] Status: O X-Status: Hi: I am a grad student a University Wisconsin madison. I would like to get the E-mail address of a faculty member. Her name is Barbara Krieger-Brockett Dept of Chemical Engineering. Can you help me out? Thanks Jeff Hoerning From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 24 16:29:56 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06349; Tue, 24 Oct 95 16:29:56 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25036; Tue, 24 Oct 95 16:23:03 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25030; Tue, 24 Oct 95 16:23:02 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t7sdN-00038EC; Tue, 24 Oct 95 16:19 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: aq957@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Lane A. Smith) Subject: Deleting a range of messages Message-Id: Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 22:48:01 GMT Status: O X-Status: Forgive my ignorance, but can someone please tell me how to delete a range of messages in PINE? Also, is there a FAQ for this group? Thanks, lane -- "Interjections!! show excitement!! or emotion!! (and are generally set aside in a sentence by an exclamation point, or by a comma when the feeling's not as strong.)" Grammar Rock, ABC-TV c. 1973 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 24 16:32:59 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06432; Tue, 24 Oct 95 16:32:59 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28664; Tue, 24 Oct 95 16:23:01 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28658; Tue, 24 Oct 95 16:23:00 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t7sdK-00038DC; Tue, 24 Oct 95 16:19 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: josh@WOLFENET.COM (Joshua_Putnam) Subject: Re: About the location of signature! Date: 24 Oct 1995 14:43:58 GMT Message-Id: <46iu3e$dqk@ratty.wolfe.net> References: <46g89o$c1h@base.station.net> Status: O X-Status: In <46g89o$c1h@base.station.net> sylvia@station.net (God Love You!) writes: >Since when I tried to reply and >quote the old message, I found that my signature located in the top of my >message, that's not normal, signature should always at the end of a >message. signature-at-bottom under Setup/Config menu will do that for replies, but I don't know any way to get the signature at the bottom for forwarded mail. Anybody know how to do that? -- Josh@WolfeNet.com is Joshua Putnam / P.O. Box 13220 / Burton, WA 98013 "My other bike is a car." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 25 04:52:49 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28038; Wed, 25 Oct 95 04:52:49 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08647; Wed, 25 Oct 95 04:44:35 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08641; Wed, 25 Oct 95 04:44:34 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t84Ba-00038DC; Wed, 25 Oct 95 04:39 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Tenex mailbox Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 09:17:30 -0700 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: On 24 Oct 1995, Dave Hansen wrote: > I have created the mail.txt file in $HOME. After restarting Pine, it > never gets filled with the IN mail. The in mail stays in > /usr/spool/mail/dave. Could my version be "hacked" to prevent tenex support? It's possible, but first check the following: 1) make sure that mail.txt is empty (0 bytes) and doesn't have any spurious whitespace or newlines. 2) make sure "inbox-path" in .pinerc is set to INBOX, and not to /usr/spool/mail/dave -- Mark -- DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 25 04:53:39 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28074; Wed, 25 Oct 95 04:53:39 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12119; Wed, 25 Oct 95 04:44:08 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from RITSEC1.COM.EG by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12107; Wed, 25 Oct 95 04:43:26 -0700 Received: by ritsec1.com.eg (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA23437; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 13:42:15 +0000 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 13:40:43 +0000 (africa) From: Shousha Textiles Subject: upload file in pine (fwd) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 481 Status: O X-Status: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 13:29:43 +0000 (africa) From: Shousha Textiles To: pine-faq@docserver.cac.washington.edu Subject: upload file in pine Dears Sirs I have problems to send a file or lettres or memo from the dos to pine send international e.m. please can you send me the steps to do to make it possible and not take much time on the line. thank you eng. W. Shousha From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 25 04:55:13 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28159; Wed, 25 Oct 95 04:55:13 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12127; Wed, 25 Oct 95 04:44:37 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12121; Wed, 25 Oct 95 04:44:36 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t84Ba-00038EC; Wed, 25 Oct 95 04:39 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Tenex mailbox Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 09:24:16 -0700 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: On 24 Oct 1995, Clifford Wesley Fulford wrote: > I tried this just now under solaris 2.4. The mail was transfered ok to > what I assume is tenex format in $HOME/mail.txt, but on trying to exit > pine appeared to hang. After 5 minutes or so I killed the process and > tried restarting. It hung again. I moved mail.txt to another filename in > my main folder collection, expecting to have to edit it back at some > stage to an ordinary mail file, but I find it loads happily into pine > as part of a folder collection (although not of course into mail or > mailx). So whats going wrong when it tries to use it as the inbox? Is your home directory and/or /tmp NFS mounted? mail.txt is accessed through random access update mode, which doesn't have a prayer of working reliably via NFS. Worse, on SVR4 (which Solaris is), you have the infamous rpc.lockd and rpc.statd daemons to contend with. I'm willing to be that that is what caused your hangs. If NFS rears its ugly head anywhere in this picture, you're probably better off not using tenex format. You need a filesystem which implements complete UNIX filesystem semantics. NFS comes close, but not quite. -- Mark -- DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 25 09:03:46 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05267; Wed, 25 Oct 95 09:03:46 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16266; Wed, 25 Oct 95 08:44:51 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mailhost1.primenet.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16259; Wed, 25 Oct 95 08:44:49 -0700 Received: from usr2.primenet.com (root@usr2.primenet.com [198.68.32.12]) by mailhost1.primenet.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id IAA01715; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 08:45:48 GMT Received: from Primenet.primenet.com (ip211.sna.primenet.com [204.212.53.211]) by usr2.primenet.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA00675; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 08:44:43 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 08:44:43 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199510251544.IAA00675@usr2.primenet.com> X-Sender: dossdl@primenet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "David L. Doss" Subject: Download to HD? Status: O X-Status: Is there any way to bring attached files down from the host to my Hard Drive in Pine? If not...sigh!! If so, How?? TIA ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ David L. Doss Anaheim Cal, USA "Freeway Vista" ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 25 10:59:07 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11485; Wed, 25 Oct 95 10:59:07 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16263; Wed, 25 Oct 95 10:50:20 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16257; Wed, 25 Oct 95 10:50:19 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t89tY-00038EC; Wed, 25 Oct 95 10:45 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: How to lock inbox folder? Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 09:14:06 -0700 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: On 24 Oct 1995, (ISO-8859-2) Vladimir Solnicky Vladimmr Solnick} wrote: > And if I save some messages from mail.txt to another folders, will they > be saved in tenex or Berkeley format? What about saving to a new folder? The simplest answer is that they should be saved in tenex format, although it's actually rather more complex than that. If you're worried about it saving in multiple formats in the same folder, don't worry, it checks to make sure that it doesn't do that. > And the last problem: Once I got a 50 MB long log mail and pine crashed on > it (cannot resize memory). I solved it with another tools (elm). Do you > think that it never happens with all mail in mail.txt for amounts less > then 100 MB (normally I have never had more then 11 MB, now I have 1.5 > MB). Thanks for your answers. The only way an out-of-memory crash can happen with tenex format is if a single message is too large for available memory. There isn't much that it can do about that. In Berkeley format, Pine reads the entire folder into memory, so a 50MB Berkeley folder is likely to cause many (but not all) systems to choke. The alternative to reading it all into memory is to use a scratch disk file. Here at UW, student users are likely to be at the limits of their disk quotas on a regular basis; a memory image the size of their disk quota isn't going to cause problems, but using double their disk quota for a scratch file is. Scylla and Charybdis. Actually, a future version of Pine (not 3.92) will have the option of using a scratch file for Berkeley format instead of reading it into memory. Besides chomping more disk, checkpointing and expunging will be slower. But it'll help out people with limited RAM. -- Mark -- DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 25 16:21:59 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29201; Wed, 25 Oct 95 16:21:59 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28997; Wed, 25 Oct 95 16:08:59 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28991; Wed, 25 Oct 95 16:08:53 -0700 Received: from hatert.nijmegen.inter.nl.net by altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via hatert.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.7] with SMTP id AAA05794 (8.6.10/1.8); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 00:08:51 +0100 Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 00:08:50 +0100 (MET) From: "R.Gering" To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Cc: p00780@psilink.com Subject: Improved key recognition Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-2139994245-1573819480-814662432=:10815" Content-Id: Status: O X-Status: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. ---2139994245-1573819480-814662432=:10815 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: On Mon, 9 Oct 1995, Michael Polak wrote: > I am trying to run Pine on Wyse-50 terminals. The only problem I'm > having is the arrow keys. I read the pine manual and realize that pine > is not using the termcap information. > > Is there a way to reprogram the arrow keys on the terminal to what pine > expects? I've looked in the Wyse-50 manual and coming up blank. > > Is anyone else using Wyse-50s? Since no one else is picking up this subject I'll give it a go... The problem Michael is describing here seems to be one many users of non-ANSI based terminals run into. The reasons why Pine is not using termcap/terminfo are described in the tech-info document. An excerpt: Arrow keys are a special case. Pine has the escape sequences for a number of conventions for arrow keys hard coded and does not use termcap to discover them. This is because termcap is some- times incorrect, and because many users have PC's running terminal emulators that don't conform exactly to what they claim to emulate. Some arrow keys on old terminals send single control charac- ters like ^K (one even sends ^\). These arrow keys will not work with Pine. The most popular escape sequences for arrow keys are: Up: [A ?x A OA Down: [B ?r B OB Right: [C ?v C OC Left: [D ?t D OD It is quite true that not all terminal entries in termcap/terminfo are beauties and that some of them are incomplete. It is also true that some terminals send unusual control characters that may "overlap" commonly used CTRL key combinations. Therefore it seems to make sense to have Pine understand only the most popular escape sequences and let the users program their terminals to send these escape sequences. However... - Not many users know how to change escape sequences generated for the arrow/edit/function keys on their terminals. - Changing the escape sequenses can seriously affect the proper operation of other termcap/terminfo based software. Yes, you can change the sequenses, invoke Pine and reset the keys with the old values after leaving Pine, but that is NOT user friendly. It's not even system administrator friendly. - Limited support for "different" terminals is better that no support at all. Therefore I would suggest to change Pine in such a way that the most popular escape sequences (as shown above) continue to be recognized, but that termcap/ terminfo is being used wherever possible. This way, people with the right (ANSI based) terminals but an incomplete termcap/terminfo entry continue to be happy Pine users. The added bonus comes from the fact that people with the "wrong" terminal that does have a right termcap/terminfo entry can now also use Pine right out of the box! I decided to change Pine to do exactly that, since that was the only way to get all my employer's terminals to work with Pine. The terminals we have there (MAI terminals) add a difficulty by having ^A as as the control code lead-in character. This concept was not supported by the original Pine at all. Since I think that more people may benefit from the changes I've made, I have attached a patch file (diff -c) to this message (MIME encoded). The changes included in this patch file are: pine/ttyin.c : - Added the kpinsert() function with the supporting static KBSTREE structure. Although based on the original function from Pico, kpinsert() was changed to prohibit intrusive changes to the escape sequence tree (overlap, hiding or value changing). The reasoning for this was to prevent the generic escape sequences (eg. VT100) that get defined AFTER the keys from termcap/ info from ever changing any sequence defined BY termcap/info. Generic keys are great as a supplement to an incomplete termcap/info, but when defined, termcap/info should have precedence. An important change was the removing of the "cut the escape off the sequence" statement from kpinsert(). Although the name might indicate otherwise, escape sequences don't always start with an escape (the above mentioned MAI terminals for example, use CTRL-A to start their key sequences). All sequences are now being stored in the tree without change. - The function read_char() was rewritten to use KBSTREE instead of the fixed sequences, but the functionality of the unparsed function-keys eater remained in (that the "ESC ESC -> CTRL" mapping also remained in goes without saying). A look-back buffer was created to store an escape sequence being compared with KBSTREE. If the match now fails at any point, the function-key eater can still recognize the beginning of a sequence and pick up the pieces. Every character read is compared with the KBSTREE (no single META character testing). Since the top of the tree is usually very small (normally 1 entry, 2 entries when using MAI like terminals) and the code pretty lean this should not result in performance problems. - The function setup_keystrokes() was added to hang the terminal specific and generic keystroke sequences into our KBSTREE. If NO_DEFAULT_KEYS is defined, the generic keys will not be added (I've used it for debugging). pine/status.c : - Added a simple (c < 256) check before calling isalpha(). At least on Linux, isalpha() breaks if the input character is outside the 0-255 range. (it uses the character as an index into a 256 entry array!) pine/strings.c : - Added the KEYs PGUP, PGDN, HOME, END, DEL and, quite important, INVALID to the list in pretty_command(). This truly helps debugging code and replaces 'Command "4" not defined for this screen' with the better understandable 'Command "INVALID KEY" not defined for this screen'. pico/os_unix.c : - Changed GetKey() to match the new read_char() function of pine/ttyin.c. - Added ReadWithTimeout() as a support function for GetKey(). - Removed the now obsolete function kbseq(). pico/os_vms.c : - Did the same type of changes that were done to pico/os_unix.c, including adding a somewhat silly ReadWithTimeout(). Note: I don't have VMS at hand. I can only verify that the code compiles correctly and that the changes seem to make sense. Could some kind soul please verify that this actually works? pico/tcap.c : - Added support for termcap DELete and Function keys. - Changed kpinsert() to match the same function now in pine/ttyin.c. - Added "\033" to all generic sequences, since kpinsert() no longer cuts off the leading escape. - Replaced many of the "external" references to "static" (as in pico/tinfo.c). pico/tinfo.c : - Added support for terminfo DELete and Function keys. - Changed kpinsert() to match the same function now in pine/ttyin.c. - Added "\033" to all generic sequences, since kpinsert() no longer cuts off the leading escape. NOTE: Although I thought of having just one universal KBSTREE in libpico.a, I decided against it (at least for the time being). For this to work well, both Pine and Pico need to have unified function key values. At present, that looked like pushing it ;-) The changed Pine and Pico have been used on a fairly wide range of terminals (ANSI-based and non ANSI-based) ever since last March. No major problems have been reported so far (none that I could trace back to my changes anyway :-). People with terminals having arrow keys that send a single control characters (e.g. Wyse and friends), should be aware that these control character will most likely overlap certain control key functions of Pine and Pico. Since the highest priority is given to the termcap/terminfo matching, attempting to use such functions will result in cursor movement instead. Should you be noticing this, know that you can ALWAYS use the following workaround to access any Pine or Pico function (overlapped or not): Instead of keeping CTRL pressed while selecting the key for your function, FIRST press ESC twice and THEN type the key without pressing CTRL. Even though the developers never intended the "2x ESC = CTRL" trick to be a workaround for this, it works absolutely great (As a matter of fact, it comes in quite handy when you're holding the phone with one hand!). If you use some script to program ANSI sequences into your arrow keys, but you still use the original termcap/terminfo entry, the changed Pine will recognize the ANSI keys (because their recognition continues to be hard coded in Pine). However, pressing a CTRL key combination that is defined in termcap/terminfo as an arrow/edit/function key will now result in cursor movement instead of the activation of the expected Pico/Pine function. For Wyse 60 terminals this problem can be avoided if your UNIX distributor provided you with the ANSI-key ("ak") termcap/terminfo entries. By selecting "wy60ak" instead of "wy60", the arrow keys are programmed with ANSI escape sequences upon terminal initialization and will also be recognized as such. (Yes, that also means it would have worked with the original Pine). Should any of these changes ever make it into the Pine distribution, it may be wise to optionally deactivate the termcap/terminfo recognition using a configurable parameter. One final notice: if the DEL is defined in the termcap/terminfo entry for your terminal, it will now do a delete instead of a backspace. This is a feature, not a bug ;-) I would welcome any questions or remarks! Best regards, - Richard Gering Work: rgering@ciint.nl <--- Fastest response during weekdays. Private: rgering@inter.nl.net <--- Possible response during weekend. P.S. To the people of the Pine development team: this patch is not exactly the same as the one I've sent you last March. The "& 0x7f" masks that Pico's input handler wrongfully inherited from Pine in that patch have been removed. 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altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29331; Wed, 25 Oct 95 16:19:23 -0700 Received: from hatert.nijmegen.inter.nl.net by altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via hatert.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.7] with SMTP id AAA06183 (8.6.10/1.8); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 00:19:21 +0100 Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 00:19:21 +0100 (MET) From: "R.Gering" To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, p00780@psilink.com Subject: Re: Improved key recognition In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Oops... I forgot to mention that the patch included in the previous message is intended to be applied to a "clean" Pine 3.91 (perhaps with the "global option" bug-fix applied). After decompressing keys.diff, run "patch < keys.diff" in the directory that has "pine3.91" as a subdirectory. Best regards, - Richard Gering ( rgering@ciint.nl ) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 25 16:39:10 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00111; Wed, 25 Oct 95 16:39:10 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29666; Wed, 25 Oct 95 16:31:04 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29660; Wed, 25 Oct 95 16:31:02 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t8FFy-00038IC; Wed, 25 Oct 95 16:29 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gls@alcor.concordia.ca (Geoff Selig) Subject: Re: Moving Messages Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 15:37:08 -0400 Message-Id: References: Status: O X-Status: > I ftp'ed the two files, "saved messages" and "sent mail" from the > mainframe (Alcor). Then, I used MailConverter 2.0 to translate the files > into Eudora readable folders, then dropped them into the Eudora folder in > the system. > > It worked seemlessly. :-) > What is MailConverter 2.0 and where did you find it? -- Geoff Selig Office and Information Technology Group Computing Services From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 25 17:03:17 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01088; Wed, 25 Oct 95 17:03:17 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27137; Wed, 25 Oct 95 16:55:57 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from islander.whidbey.net by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27131; Wed, 25 Oct 95 16:55:55 -0700 Received: from asn0.whidbey.net by whidbey.net with SMTP id AA03938 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 16:58:12 -0700 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 16:58:12 -0700 Message-Id: <199510252358.AA03938@whidbey.net> X-Sender: maryamo@islander.whidbey.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, p00780@psilink.com From: maryamo@whidbey.net (Mary Amo) Subject: deleat farom mailing list Status: O X-Status: please unsubscribe.... "HAPPINESS is playing OKBRIDGE on the net." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 25 17:34:32 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03143; Wed, 25 Oct 95 17:34:32 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28121; Wed, 25 Oct 95 17:26:09 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28115; Wed, 25 Oct 95 17:26:08 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t8G5f-00038DC; Wed, 25 Oct 95 17:22 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: kadow@komondor.cig.mot.com (Kevin Kadow) Subject: Storing folders as gzipped. Date: 25 Oct 1995 18:04:50 GMT Message-Id: <46lu82$1bh@newdelph.rtsg.mot.com> References: <46gdks$9lp@wn1.sci.kun.nl> Status: O X-Status: This modification will require less hacking than you might think- gzip will handle multiple gzip'd files concatenate together. In article , Sven Guckes wrote: >marcovdb@sci.kun.nl (Marco van den Boogaard) writes: >>I was wondering if anybody has written a version of elm which supports >>gzipped folders to save diskspace on systems with quota. > >This has been a top wish for ELM. >See http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/elm/elm.development.html . > >>I'm willing to hack elm myself, but only if it hasn't been done already, >>I don't want to invent the wheel for the 687th time. > >I have not heard about anyone who has tried to do it. >But you are VERY welcome to do so! >Send you patches to the ELM coordinator and then maybe it will be included >with the next release. > >Things to take care of: >User feedback: > Ask user whether a folder with suffix ".gz" shall (always) be expanded. >Disk space: > Check whether the expanded folder will fit on the disk. > Optionally expand the folder to a temporary space. >File locking: > Make sure that it is compatible with the lock method. > Check for existance and version of gzip. >Saving: > Check whether folder being saved to is compressed and uncompress if > necessary. >Utils: > Adjust ELM utilities such as "frm" to work on compressed folders. > Disallow appending of mail to compressed folders for "filter". > >Did I forget anything? This is not necessary. Simply specify gzip as the standard and link the modified ELM against the gzip library. Then the files can be uncompressed into memory, and saved messages (or the output of filter) can be simply concatenated to the end of existing folders, as documented by the gunzip man page: >ADVANCED USAGE > Multiple compressed files can be concatenated. In this case, > gunzip will extract all members at once. For example: > > gzip -c file1 > foo.gz > gzip -c file2 >> foo.gz > > Then > gunzip -c foo > > is equivalent to > > cat file1 file2 > > In case of damage to one member of a .gz file, other members > can still be recovered (if the damaged member is removed). > However, you can get better compression by compressing all > members at once. This means that the uncompressed form of the folder need never be stored on the drive, and that appending messages to a folder will NOT require recompressing the entire folder, unless you want optimal compression. Some rudimentary folder locking will be necessary to prevent having one or two messages corrupted if(when) two processes attempt to write to the same file. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 25 18:52:32 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05562; Wed, 25 Oct 95 18:52:32 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02815; Wed, 25 Oct 95 18:46:22 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02809; Wed, 25 Oct 95 18:46:20 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t8HNW-00038DC; Wed, 25 Oct 95 18:45 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Sven Guckes Subject: Re: Getting Mail headers without mail prog??? Date: 23 Oct 95 18:36:32 GMT Message-Id: References: <45bj41$71u@nic-nac.CSU.net> <46g81r$c2k@news.dataphone.se> Status: O X-Status: yfcon@nic.dataphone.se. (Anders Waller) writes: >>>>So my question is: does anyone know of any SMALL utilities out there that >>>>will list just your mail headers (besides mail and mailx)? >>>Is "awk" out of the question??? This sounds like a trick question ... >Hm, I wrote an alias once, before I found out about the from command. >Here it is: >alias from 'more $MAILPATH | grep From | grep -v "<" | grep -v From: | cut -f2- -d" " ;echo ""; echo "Total Mail and current mailpath:" ; du -k $MAILPATH \!*' Well, this looks at *all* lines which contain "From". It should be "^From: ", though. And even this does not skip "included non-quoted mails". So - could somebody give a better script? PERL, anyone? I'd promise the best script a postcard from Berlin. How about one of the "wrapped Reichstag"? I intend to add these scripts the "ELM Pages" (see sig) so that I can point people to it when the question arises yet again. Sven Cc: yfcon@nic.dataphone.se. (Anders Waller) <-- spurious dot at end of address -- ELM - the "Easy Learn Mail" program. Newsgroup: comp.mail.elm The "ELM Pages" - all about ELM on the World Wide Web: http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/elm/ ELM versions: Latest release: ELM2.4PL24 [940920] Latest ME patch: ELM2.4PL24ME8b [951012] Latest alpha: ELM2.5a08 [950908] -- http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/.signature From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 25 20:16:41 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07633; Wed, 25 Oct 95 20:16:41 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04174; Wed, 25 Oct 95 20:09:59 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from freenet2.afn.org by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04168; Wed, 25 Oct 95 20:09:57 -0700 Received: from mojave.eel.ufl.edu by freenet2.freenet.ufl.edu (8.6.12/4.11) id XAA20550; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 23:09:45 -0400 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 23:09:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Out of his mind X-Sender: amigagod@mojave.eel.ufl.edu To: guckes@math.fu-berlin.de Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Getting Mail headers without mail prog??? In-Reply-To: <199510260247.AA069705627@sioux.eel.ufl.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 25 Oct 1995, Automatic digest processor wrote: > Well, this looks at *all* lines which contain "From". > It should be "^From: ", though. > And even this does not skip "included non-quoted mails". > > So - could somebody give a better script? PERL, anyone? > I'd promise the best script a postcard from Berlin. > How about one of the "wrapped Reichstag"? Which parts of headers do you want? Here is a Perl replacement for 'from' that I use, and I could certainly customize it for anything you want, or super-condense it and add support for the Apparently-From: header. Use 'from -h' to get usage; it runs under both Perl 4 and Perl 5. It even re-canonicalizes addresses to the standard "Name
" format, no matter what format it's currently in. #!/usr/local/bin/perl -s # from - Find out who incoming mail is from, with support for mailfiles sub usage { print "'from' displays incoming mail From-addresses, with or without subject,\n"; print "\toptionally from '~/mbox' or a file.\n"; print "Usage: from [-s] [-f [mailbox|file]]\n"; exit; } &usage if $h || $help; sub printhead { if ($from) { print "From: $from @date\n"; if ($s) { print " Sub: $subject\n" if $subject; undef $subject, $subjflag; } undef $fromflag, $from; } } if ($f) { $file = shift(@ARGV) || "$ENV{'HOME'}/mbox"; if (! -r $file) { print STDERR "Can't open $file\n"; exit 5; } open(I,"$file"); } else { &usage if $#ARGV >= 0; open(I,"$ENV{'MAIL'}"); } while () { if (/^From /) { chop ($i = $_); &printhead; ($x,$from,@date) = split(/[ \t]+/,$i); } elsif (/^From: / && !$fromflag) { chop; s/^From: //; s/ *(.*) +\((.*)\).*/$2 <$1>/; s/ *(.*) */<$1>/ unless /.*<.*>.*/; s/ *\"(.*)\" *<(.*)> */$1 <$2>/; $from = $_; $fromflag = 1; } elsif ($s && /^Subject: / && !$subjflag) { chop; s/^Subject: +//; $subject = $_; } } close(I); &printhead; ===== == Todd Vierling (tv@pobox.com): In cyberspace no one can hear you scream. == === Plug: I do freelance C/Perl *IX programming and WWW design. E-mail me === === Vierling's Law: The revolution won't be televised; it will be posted. === From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 25 21:29:17 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09577; Wed, 25 Oct 95 21:29:17 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02352; Wed, 25 Oct 95 21:21:43 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02346; Wed, 25 Oct 95 21:21:41 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t8JoG-00038DC; Wed, 25 Oct 95 21:20 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mg@ac.duke.edu (Michael Grubb) Subject: Re: AFS-aware IMAP daemon? Date: 25 Oct 1995 19:21:57 -0400 Message-Id: <46mgql$krc@news.duke.edu> References: <46mbop$nm8@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> Status: O X-Status: In article <46mbop$nm8@bigblue.oit.unc.edu>, Trey Harris wrote: >My question has to do with my IMAP users. Mail spools will continue to >reside in the Unix filesystem, not AFS. Thus, as I understand it, there >is no need for an 'AFS-ized' IMAP daemon just to get at the inboxes of >users. AFS does not come into this scenario. A Kerberized daemon is >required so that the plaintext login can be authenticated to Kerberos. >However, when an IMAP client makes a request for an archived mail folder >(such as the sent or saved messages), the daemon must get this information >from the user's home directory--which resides in AFS. There's no reason for folders to be in AFS unless the user puts them there. (The user can define folder locations in the client, as with pine's folder collections definitions in the .pinerc.) You can configure the IMAP server so that folders and inboxes alike are located on local filesystems. How to do that depends on which imapd you are running. >Now, if we use the Cyrus imapd, a plaintext login (such as Pine, >MailDrop, Siren Mail or Simeon Email use) will cause the imap daemon to >get a Kerberos ticket. If you use the Cyrus imapd, your users should not be logging in to the IMAP server, and your users' login sessions on other machines should have no effect on authentication of the imapd processes. A fortiori, the Cyrus imapd handles all folders on local disk. Trying to wedge that into AFS would be a supremely bad idea. >This is where I get fuzzy, however. I believe that a Kerberos ticket is >necessary but not sufficient to grant a process access to the AFS >filespace. An AFS token is also required for a process to be able to >read and write to an AFS filesystem. Am I correct? That's right, but it shouldn't enter into your IMAP server configuration at all. If you need some boilerplate code to serve as an example of how a process can get a Kerberos ticket and an AFS token, let me know and I'll be glad to send you a sample or two. Getting such code to build is highly dependent on your particular platform, Kerberos libraries, and AFS version. -- Mike -- Michael Grubb Duke University Office of Information Technology phone +1 919 660 6903 / 417 North Building, Durham NC 27708-0132 USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 25 21:37:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09695; Wed, 25 Oct 95 21:37:06 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05691; Wed, 25 Oct 95 21:31:43 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05685; Wed, 25 Oct 95 21:31:42 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t8JxH-00038EC; Wed, 25 Oct 95 21:30 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dean@tbone.biol.sc.edu (Dean Pentcheff) Subject: Re: PGP & Pine Date: 25 Oct 1995 20:21:24 -0400 Message-Id: <46mka4$kv7@tbone.biol.sc.edu> References: Status: O X-Status: Davy Cheung writes: >On Sat, 21 Oct 1995, krzysiek wrote: >> Comment: Processed by mkpgp1.6, a Pine/PGP interface. >Just curious... Where to find? Any version for PC-Pine? For information on mkpgp, use the following command: finger slutsky@lipschitz.sfasu.edu To get a copy of mkpgp, send a blank email message to: slutsky@lipschitz.sfasu.edu with: Subject: mkpgp It is written in csh, though (a Unix shell language), so it will definitely not run on a PC for PC-Pine. -Dean -- N. Dean Pentcheff WWW: http://tbone.biol.sc.edu/~dean/ Biological Sciences, Univ. of South Carolina, Columbia SC 29208 (803-777-3936) PGP ID=768/22A1A015 Keyprint=2D 53 87 53 72 4A F2 83 A0 BF CB C0 D1 0E 76 C0 Get PGP keys and information using the command: "finger dean@tbone.biol.sc.edu" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 25 22:04:19 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10238; Wed, 25 Oct 95 22:04:19 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02940; Wed, 25 Oct 95 21:56:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02934; Wed, 25 Oct 95 21:56:45 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t8KKX-00038DC; Wed, 25 Oct 95 21:54 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Daryl E. Barnes" Subject: making signatures? Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 14:56:21 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I'm new to using Pine and I am wondering how I can get a signature to automatically come with my replies. I know there is some kind of command to do this but I need to know how to even get a signature file in the first place. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 25 22:24:35 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10720; Wed, 25 Oct 95 22:24:35 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06417; Wed, 25 Oct 95 22:16:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06411; Wed, 25 Oct 95 22:16:49 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t8KfG-00038DC; Wed, 25 Oct 95 22:15 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ez855@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jack Zupan) Subject: Binhex Conversion to Binary Date: 23 Oct 1995 20:15:17 GMT Message-Id: <46gt4l$8fc@madeline.INS.CWRU.Edu> Status: O X-Status: Does Pine have the capability to convert a Binhex file to Binary using Binhex 4.0? Thanks. Jack -- /~~~ /~~~ "Music is God's voice" )Jack Zupan / )ez855 OO/ - Brian Wilson - ) Keet (^,^) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 25 23:50:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12355; Wed, 25 Oct 95 23:50:20 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07842; Wed, 25 Oct 95 23:45:16 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ihipms.ihip.pku.edu.cn by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07830; Wed, 25 Oct 95 23:45:04 -0700 Received: from hs651.ihip.pku.edu.cn by ihipms with SMTP (5.65/1.2-eef) id AA00862; Thu, 26 Oct 95 14:44:29 +0800 Received: by hs651.ihip.pku.edu.cn.ihip.pku.edu.cn (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09159; Thu, 26 Oct 95 14:43:31 CST Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 14:43:30 +0800 (CST) From: Dayong Liu To: "Daryl E. Barnes" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: making signatures? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 23 Oct 1995, Daryl E. Barnes wrote: > I'm new to using Pine and I am wondering how I can get a signature to > automatically come with my replies. I know there is some kind of command > to do this but I need to know how to even get a signature file in the > first place. Any help would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks. > > > > The file should be named ~/.signature -- _______________________________________________________________________________ Dayong Liu | Department of Technical Physics dyliu@hs651.ihip.pku.edu.cn | Peking University http://hs651.ihip.pku.edu.cn/~dyliu | Beijing 100871, P. R. China ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 26 00:18:02 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12943; Thu, 26 Oct 95 00:18:02 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05063; Thu, 26 Oct 95 00:12:05 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05051; Thu, 26 Oct 95 00:12:04 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t8MRR-00038DC; Thu, 26 Oct 95 00:09 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jjb@jagware.bcc.com (J.J.Bailey) Subject: Wanted: pine binary for Solaris2.5 x86 Date: 25 Oct 1995 00:40:44 -0700 Message-Id: <46kpls$36i@jagware.bcc.com> Status: O X-Status: Anybody have one I can get via ftp? It won't compile--bunch of errors. Solaris 2.4 would be okay too. Thanks. -- J.J.Bailey Consultant jjb@bcc.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 26 05:02:53 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19986; Thu, 26 Oct 95 05:02:53 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12415; Thu, 26 Oct 95 04:52:43 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12409; Thu, 26 Oct 95 04:52:42 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t8Qo3-00038EC; Thu, 26 Oct 95 04:49 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Krzysiek Dyrdal Subject: Re: Threaded news in pine ??? In-Reply-To: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 11:13:07 GMT Status: O X-Status: OK. Taht helps. Thanx ...... Krzysiek On Mon, 23 Oct 1995, Steven C. King wrote: > > I know that in Pine 3.91 you can sort the articles by OrderedSubj in the > Setup/Config menu under the sort-key category. See if that helps. > > {--------------------------------------------------------------------------} > { Name: Steven C. King Institution: Florida State University } > { Addr: sck4518@garnet.acns.fsu.edu Major field: MM Performance } > { stevekng@freenet.fsu.edu Instrument: Clarinet, piano (hobby) } > { cujo@tweety.csv.eku.edu Last words: Gravity. Why fight it? } > {--------------------------------------------------------------------------} From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 26 05:13:16 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20126; Thu, 26 Oct 95 05:13:16 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09313; Thu, 26 Oct 95 05:02:44 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09307; Thu, 26 Oct 95 05:02:42 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t8Qxh-00038DC; Thu, 26 Oct 95 04:59 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Re: making signatures? Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 21:10:10 -0400 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 23 Oct 1995, Daryl E. Barnes wrote: > I'm new to using Pine and I am wondering how I can get a signature to > automatically come with my replies. [...] It depends on what operating system your computer is using. *IF* it is Unix or one of the sort-of-Unix-workalikes, go into your home directory and create a file specifically by the name of .signature (note the leading period -- this is required). In the Pine configuration (if you are using Pine 3.91 you can use the config screens) make sure that signature-file is set to .signature, either explicitly or by default. For other systems (such as with PC-Pine), you'll have to check the documentation for the name and location of the sig file. Paul -------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett P. O. Box 857 Vienna, VA 22183-0857 U.S.A. Finger, keyserver, or email for PGP 2.6 public key -------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 26 05:42:30 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20701; Thu, 26 Oct 95 05:42:30 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12921; Thu, 26 Oct 95 05:32:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12915; Thu, 26 Oct 95 05:32:49 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t8RTn-00038DC; Thu, 26 Oct 95 05:32 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jsse@inffour.com (Jun-Seong Park) Subject: How can 8bit characters be typed in "Subject" field? Date: 26 Oct 1995 06:27:03 GMT Message-Id: <46n9nn$4n4@usenet.hana.nm.kr> Status: O X-Status: I cannot type 8bit characters in the "Subject" field. From the source programs, I got to know only 7bit characters can be displyed in header fields. The related file is composer.c which is located in pine3.91/pine. Anyone who can help me solve this problem? Thanks for your kind attention. Jun-Seong Park Korea Telecom S/W Research Lab. e-mail : jsse@inffour.kotel.co.kr From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 26 05:47:56 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20806; Thu, 26 Oct 95 05:47:56 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09476; Thu, 26 Oct 95 05:17:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from freenet3.scri.fsu.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09470; Thu, 26 Oct 95 05:17:05 -0700 Received: (from blackda@localhost) by freenet3.scri.fsu.edu (8.6.10/8.6.9) id IAA10086; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 08:17:50 -0400 Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 08:17:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave Reply-To: Dave Subject: The FUTURE Power of PINE! To: pine@cac.washington.edu Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Not to make any hasty statements about the technology of e-mail programs nowadays, but I see GREAT limitations in these programs to support ORGANIZING e-mail! Great, your program can do all these nifty things to help u in your PRESENT e-mail experience, but what about the FUTURE? And what about those pack-rat librarian types that like saving their e-mail debates for the long-term? Someone goes back to their folders that contain hundreds of messages....downloads them...tries to organize them on their pc, & virtually starts going gray b4 they finish sorting thru ONE FOLDER. So what am I saying? And what specific improvements would I suggest? Firstly, give the option to save by SUBJECT as the default. This keeps all the mailers in a debate on the same subject in the same folder. Sure, there's prolly a program that can do that now...but I don't think Pine can yet. What else? Secondly, have the program AUTOMATICALLY insert the first letter of the person your debating w/ in front of the 'replied' text...& also have it insert an abbreviated version of the date in front of the text to organize those two year long debates that seem to have been going on for ages.(c below). Finally, have the mail program be able to AUTOMATICALLY save messages to more than one folder at once....& automatically make copies of your incoming messages & save them in different folders for u. Example: Today I receive 10 messages from 5 different people w/ 8 different debating topics. First, when I receive this mail, the program should have AUTOMATICALLY made a copy of each message and saved it in an "inbox history" folder for u (This folder will keep a perfect record of all the mail u have received)[Idealy, the mail program should keep these stats for u, as opposed to having to actually 'copy' the message to a folder]. Second, ideally, the e-mail program should have the function to RECOGNIZE the subject header and attempt to save a copy of that message in the subject folder that matches that subject header.... This way u will have all the messages automatically filtered into folders by the subject line---organization begins to get easier now. Third, any REPLIES that u receive to messages should be taken off an 'outstanding thread' list that the e-mail program has in it's memory. U should be able to ask your program which mailers I have & haven't received replies to... this will give the e-mailer the opportunity to reminds the recipient to comment on an important mailer that they mailed out 2 weeks ago w/ those 20 other ones....this prevents the 'important mailer' that gets lost in the shuffle of things. How would I increase the power of outgoing part of programs? Again, have pine AUTOMATICALLY, not only save your message to a sent-mail folder (or stats list), but if saves a copy to the particular subject it is addressing in the subject header. Also, again, the program should be able to keep track of which messages are going out, so it can keep track of your 'outstanding' messages. ------ E-mail format should look like the following..... D>10225. Hey Bryan, What did u think of the Oj Verdict? B>10245. Dave, I think Oj was guilty cuz.....blah blah blah blah..... >Blah blah blah................ >Blah blah bla........... >Blah Blah........ D>10265. Bryan, Bryan, Bryan,.....He was innocent cuz....blah blah blah >Blah blah blah...... B>10275. No. Guilty Dave......Blah blah blah...... >Blah Blah...... ------- Anything an e-mail program can do to support the maintenance of the above 'clean' & organized format should be done. Too many ">'s" kill a lengthy debate. Inserting the first letter of your name and indenting all the following text 1 space GREATLY adds clarity. Inserting a BRIEF date in front of the your response adds chronology to long running debates. These are my suggestions. If I had programming knowledge, I would create and e-mail program to do everthing I mentioned in this mailer (if possible). Maybe it's just for the librarian, pack-rat, record-keepers, but I have a feeling that this format will become the e-mail format of the future due to it's increased clarity and organization friendliness. -Dave Blackington Auburn University blackda@freenet.fsu.edu PS. I know u said u didn't want any questions, but here's the question I had that spurred my suggestions above.... Maybe u can try to answer this question in xchange for my unsolicited opinion above......Thanks...:) ------------ I'm assuming this is a rather unique question that hasn't been addressed on this list before... I'm not a regular subscriber, so I wouldn't be able to know for sure. I scanned thru Uwash's web site, and didn't seem to find the answer. I also tried connecting to the pinedemo in hopes that it would 'run' the way I wanted it to 'run,' but it apparently seems to be 'down' right now. Anyway, My question: After downloading a folder of mail, if I REupload it, include it in a mailer, and send it to myself, will pine break this folder up into individual messages again, or will I only receive one big message? Well, the answer seems to be vary.... Why? Cuz I have had BOTH situations happen. Last year at Auburn U, I sent an entire folder and pine successfully broke it back up into it's separate messages for me. But NOW, I'm using FSU's freenet, and it apparently wants to insert a ">" at the beginning of EVERY header forcing pine to see this folder as ONE BIG file, as opposed to a bunch of little messages that are coming in. Anyway, my question is how I get pine to do what it did at Auburn....breaking up the folder... treating each message separately.? Is this a pine decision, or system decision? Why do I want to know? Well, last year I downloaded all my folders, but I forgot to organize them b4 I downloaded them. Now I want to upload them back to the system, read them in a file, send them to myself, and have pine rerecognize them as separate mailers. This will give me a chance to rearrange them at my leisure & put them in the correct order b4 I download them once again..... C the problem? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 26 06:15:32 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21454; Thu, 26 Oct 95 06:15:32 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10060; Thu, 26 Oct 95 06:02:52 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10054; Thu, 26 Oct 95 06:02:51 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t8Rwm-00038DC; Thu, 26 Oct 95 06:02 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: New mailbox modification time but apparently no changes Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 23:50:30 -0700 Message-Id: References: <45j2ju$fg6@infoserv.rug.ac.be> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <45j2ju$fg6@infoserv.rug.ac.be> Status: O X-Status: You can ignore this message. It occurs when the folder's "last modified time" (as reported by UNIX) has changed, but there is no change in the folder's size. On 12 Oct 1995, Viviane Vermeire wrote: > one of ower users reports: > > > Every now and then I receive the following message in Pine: > > > > [New mailbox modification time but apparently no changes] > > > > what does it mean and in which circumstances can the warning be > received ? > > Please reply by e-mail too as we have delays in the newsfeed. > > -- > viviane vermeire Academisch Rekencentrum > Universiteit Gent > E-mail: viviane.vermeire@rug.ac.be > > -- Mark -- DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 26 07:13:53 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22912; Thu, 26 Oct 95 07:13:53 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11056; Thu, 26 Oct 95 06:59:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from SWBTS.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11050; Thu, 26 Oct 95 06:59:45 -0700 Received: by swbts.swbts.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA03225; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 08:58:27 -0500 Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 08:58:26 -0500 (CDT) From: Marshall Alexander To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Cc: Mr Datatel Subject: Pine-Info Lists Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Lists Detailed From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 26 12:17:59 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07298; Thu, 26 Oct 95 12:17:59 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21983; Thu, 26 Oct 95 12:03:37 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21977; Thu, 26 Oct 95 12:03:36 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t8XYe-00038DC; Thu, 26 Oct 95 12:01 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: harris@email.unc.edu (Trey Harris) Subject: Re: AFS-aware IMAP daemon? Date: 26 Oct 1995 15:43:12 GMT Message-Id: <46oaag$ufc@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> References: <46mbop$nm8@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> <46mgql$krc@news.duke.edu> Status: O X-Status: In article <46mgql$krc@news.duke.edu>, Michael Grubb wrote: >If you use the Cyrus imapd, your users should not be logging in to the IMAP >server, and your users' login sessions on other machines should have no >effect on authentication of the imapd processes. A fortiori, the Cyrus >imapd handles all folders on local disk. Trying to wedge that into AFS >would be a supremely bad idea. I don't know if "wedge" is the proper word. This is unfortunately a drop-dead issue if I can't get IMAPd to work with AFS, though, and if they won't work together then I need to know so that I can cancel this project and rework (we're supposed to sign the contract tomorrow!). The reason this is a drop-dead issue is that this system is primarily (as far as the chancellorial-level management cares, exclusively) for email. Users get an X-megabyte quota for their use of *everything*. Trying to segregate users' diskspace into two pieces (mail folder space for mail use, home directory for other use) presents two problems which are politically unsolvable. First, how to break down the ten megabyte quota into mail use and other use? From the upper management, the answer would be clear: ten megabytes for mail use and zero for other use. That's not very practical, but enough people use our machine that way (*never* logging in and *always* using IMAP clients) to where it would make sense for some users. For some of our web-publishing users, the answer would be one megabytes mail and nine megabytes other, or ten megabytes other and none for mail. Second, no matter how you break it down, what's the point of going to AFS in the first place if the majority of user disk usage is going to have to remain in UFS? We're hitting NFS scalability problems big time right now, and our environment won't let us go to multiple IMAP servers until IMAP4/IMSP redirection support is there; we need to put mail folders in the user home directories to maintain the transparency that our users take for granted. -- Trey Harris http://sunsite.unc.edu/harris/ System Administrator, Project Isis, Office of Information Technology The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 26 12:23:15 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07496; Thu, 26 Oct 95 12:23:15 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19836; Thu, 26 Oct 95 12:18:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19830; Thu, 26 Oct 95 12:18:45 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t8Xmf-00038DC; Thu, 26 Oct 95 12:16 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: LOT$@psg.com, OF@psg.com, MONEY@GET.THIS Subject: I MADE MY FARE SHARE ITS YOUR TURN (0/1) Date: 26 Oct 1995 18:53:37 GMT Message-Id: <46olfh$bkv@spectator.cris.com> Status: RO X-Status: From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 26 13:00:22 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09206; Thu, 26 Oct 95 13:00:22 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23190; Thu, 26 Oct 95 12:53:45 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23182; Thu, 26 Oct 95 12:53:43 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t8YL1-00038DC; Thu, 26 Oct 95 12:51 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: 5x9@dec5102.aarhues.dk (Martin Kofoed) Subject: Running PGP from Pine Date: 26 Oct 1995 09:23:00 GMT Message-Id: <46nk1k$891@esanews.denet.dk> Status: O X-Status: Hi! This question probably has been up several times, but I just added this group today. Are there any ways to get Pine to encrypt a message using PGP? I'm running Pine on a Ultrix system (DEC), and I'd like to hear about any solutions that might be (a sort of shell, a new version of Pine etc.). Thanks in advance! -- ============================================= -[Martin Kofoed]- -[5x9@dec5102.aarhues.dk]- ============================================= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 26 14:14:50 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12858; Thu, 26 Oct 95 14:14:50 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25303; Thu, 26 Oct 95 14:09:48 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from chacal.msage.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25297; Thu, 26 Oct 95 14:09:46 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 17:09:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Gerry Duprey To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Pine 3.91 crash Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hi FOlks, Just upgraded to 3.91 from 3.89 and most of the updates seem really quite nice. However I have a problem in that whenever I use the Reply command, pine crashes. It dumps core with an Abort signal and creates a ~/.pine-crash file. This occurs after it asks me whether the messge text should be included in the reply and whether it should reply to all reciptients. Looking at the core dump with dbx, it appears in the 'ArrangeHeader' function in the builtin pico. I can compose new messages without problems and the stand-alone pico executable seems to work just great. I'd really appreciate any advice anyone might have before I start digging into this. I don't mind getting my hands dirty, but if someone else has run into this, I'd love to hear about it. Thanks! Gerry Duprey EMAIL: gerry@msage.com Micro Sage Software Systems VOICE: (313) 663-0444 130 South First Street WWW: http://www.msage.com/~gerry Ann Arbor, MI 48104 USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 26 14:31:36 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13529; Thu, 26 Oct 95 14:31:36 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23328; Thu, 26 Oct 95 14:28:19 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from islander.whidbey.net by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23322; Thu, 26 Oct 95 14:28:17 -0700 Received: from asn0.whidbey.net by whidbey.net with SMTP id AA11722 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 14:30:34 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 14:30:34 -0700 Message-Id: <199510262130.AA11722@whidbey.net> X-Sender: maryamo@islander.whidbey.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, p00780@psilink.com From: maryamo@whidbey.net (Mary Amo) Subject: Deleat from mailing list Status: O X-Status: Please remove me from the pine newusers mailing list. "HAPPINESS is playing OKBRIDGE on the net." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 26 14:59:38 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14879; Thu, 26 Oct 95 14:59:38 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24123; Thu, 26 Oct 95 14:55:16 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from asl-labs.bc.ca by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24107; Thu, 26 Oct 95 14:55:07 -0700 Received: by asl3.asl-labs.bc.ca (5.4R3.10/200.2.1.5) id AA13712; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 14:55:03 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 14:55:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "Brian P. Hampson" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine 3.91 crash In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 26 Oct 1995, Gerry Duprey wrote: > Subject: Pine 3.91 crash > Message-Id: > > Hi FOlks, > > Just upgraded to 3.91 from 3.89 and most of the updates seem > really quite nice. However I have a problem in that whenever I use the > Reply command, pine crashes. It dumps core with an Abort signal and > creates a ~/.pine-crash file. > I noticed that you are using DGUX version. Someone else had that problem as well from what I recall. B. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Brian P. Hampson Internet: brian@asl-labs.bc.ca | |System Administrator, | |Analytical Service Labs Fidonet : Brian Hampson 1:153/733 | |Vancouver, BC | |+604-253-4188 | | Specialists in Environmental Chemistry | | | ------------------http://www.asl-labs.bc.ca/---------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 26 15:01:56 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15059; Thu, 26 Oct 95 15:01:56 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24215; Thu, 26 Oct 95 14:57:43 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24209; Thu, 26 Oct 95 14:57:41 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t8aIJ-00038HC; Thu, 26 Oct 95 14:57 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: FLAVELL@crnvma.cern.ch (Alan J Flavell) Subject: Re: Pine for VMS Message-Id: <17443D694S86.FLAVELL@cernvm.cern.ch> References: <46hjjv$4mn@nntp.dlsu.edu.ph> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 15:15:30 GMT Status: O X-Status: In article <46hjjv$4mn@nntp.dlsu.edu.ph> cscspm@dlsu.edu.ph (Sammy Mallare) writes: >i'm looking for Pine for VMS.. Feel free to consult my own notes on installing Yehavi's port of PINE for VMS at my lab: http://ppewww.ph.gla.ac.uk/~flavell/vms-pine.html >...the one that doesn't have a serious >bug. Which version was that? >any kind soul out there can help me? please specify the version >number. thanks! I would if you would. Oh well, alright, Yehavi's designation is 3.91 beta 5. | HTML: "A simple scaleable document format...for information exchange | on virtually any platform" (W3 Consortium Prospectus). --- Alan Flavell, H.E.P Group, Glasgow University, Scotland In all postings, I speak solely for myself. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 26 15:46:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17925; Thu, 26 Oct 95 15:46:20 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27840; Thu, 26 Oct 95 15:42:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27834; Thu, 26 Oct 95 15:42:48 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t8b0H-00038DC; Thu, 26 Oct 95 15:42 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Ralf Wenzel Subject: Re: making signatures? Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 11:33:49 +0100 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 23 Oct 1995, Daryl E. Barnes wrote: > I'm new to using Pine and I am wondering how I can get a signature to > automatically come with my replies. I know there is some kind of command > to do this but I need to know how to even get a signature file in the > first place. Any help would be greatly appreciated. there are two ways to get a signature in your mails: Make a file with an editor and read while writing the mail this file into your mail (Command: R, when the Cursor is in the body of the mail). Make a file with the name ".signature" (or take another name and add this name in the config screen) and the file will automatically intefgrated in your mails. Note: You can automatically put the signature at the bottom of the mails by using the "signature-at-bottom"-feature in your config screen. Hope it helps Ralf From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 26 17:27:30 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22764; Thu, 26 Oct 95 17:27:30 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27959; Thu, 26 Oct 95 17:23:04 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27952; Thu, 26 Oct 95 17:23:03 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t8cWP-00038DC; Thu, 26 Oct 95 17:19 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lara@cern03 (Lara Rios) Subject: Spawing postscript viewer for ps attachment??? Date: 17 Oct 95 19:49:52 GMT Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: I was wondering if anyone knew how to set up pine to spawn ghostview to read a postscript attachment. 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To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Cc: timchan@HK.Super.NET Subject: Bug (ID VI378): When Pine is killed ... Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="1442933193-169889289-814699310=:18722" Content-Id: Status: O X-Status: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --1442933193-169889289-814699310=:18722 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: Hi, When one of our user using the modem, and connect to our server and using pine(using pico as an editor) to send a email. The connection is cut while he writing the message. At the previous time, he can retrieve the interuupted mail, and continue to compose it. However, this time he couldn't retreive the mail. And he want to know how he can retrieve back his mail. He has typed this mail for 2 hrs. He also want to know why. This part is what we can't explain and need your help. The user is in urgent need and would you mind treating this as top prority? And he also want to know how to prevent the future occurrence. __ Kevin To HK SuperNet Support Team --1442933193-169889289-814699310=:18722 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; NAME="config.txt" Content-ID: Content-Description: Pine Configuration Data ========== struct pine * ========== ui: login = kevinto, full = K.T. home = /usr/staff/kevinto home_dir= /usr/staff/kevinto hostname= kwaifong.hk.super.net localdom= hk.super.net userdom= NULL maildom= kwaifong.hk.super.net cur_cntxt= mail/[] cur_fldr= INBOX actual mbox= /usr/spool/mail/kevinto msgmap: tot=10, cur=3, del=0, hid=0, exld=0, slct=0, sort=rev-Date inbox is mail_stream term type=vt100, ttyname=/dev/ttyq9, size=24x94, speed=normal ======= Current_val options set ======= personal-name : K.T. user-id : kevinto smtp-server : hk.super.net nntp-server : news.hk.super.net inbox-path : inbox folder-collections : mail/[] news-collections : *{news/nntp}[] default-fcc : sent-mail postponed-folder : postponed-msgs mail-directory : mail signature-file : .sig address-book : .addressbook feature-list : enable-aggregate-command-set : enable-full-header-cmd : enable-suspend : enable-tab-completion : enable-unix-pipe-cmd : expanded-view-of-folders saved-msg-name-rule : by-sender fcc-name-rule : default-fcc sort-key : Date addrbook-sort-rule : fullname-with-lists-last editor : vi image-viewer : xv use-only-domain-name : no printer : lpr standard-printer : lpr last-time-prune-ques : 95.10 last-version-used : 3.91 bugs-fullname : Pine Developers bugs-address : pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu elm-style-save : no header-in-reply : no feature-level : sapling old-style-reply : no save-by-sender : no ======= Command_line_val options set ======= ======= User_val options set (/usr/staff/kevinto/.pinerc) ======= smtp-server : hk.super.net nntp-server : news.hk.super.net news-collections : *{news/nntp}[] signature-file : .sig feature-list : enable-aggregate-command-set : enable-full-header-cmd : enable-suspend : enable-tab-completion : enable-unix-pipe-cmd : expanded-view-of-folders saved-msg-name-rule : by-sender sort-key : Date/Reverse editor : vi image-viewer : xv printer : lpr last-time-prune-ques : 95.10 last-version-used : 3.91 ======= Global_val options set (/usr/local/lib/pine.conf) ======= inbox-path : inbox default-fcc : sent-mail postponed-folder : postponed-msgs mail-directory : mail signature-file : .signature address-book : .addressbook saved-msg-name-rule : default-folder fcc-name-rule : default-fcc sort-key : arrival addrbook-sort-rule : fullname-with-lists-last use-only-domain-name : no printer : attached-to-ansi standard-printer : lpr bugs-fullname : Pine Developers bugs-address : pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu elm-style-save : no header-in-reply : no feature-level : sapling old-style-reply : no save-by-sender : no ======= Fixed_val options set (NO pine.conf.fixed) ======= ========== Feature settings ========== no-assume-slow-link no-auto-move-read-msgs no-auto-open-next-unread no-compose-rejects-unqualified-addrs no-compose-sets-newsgroup-without-confirm no-delete-skips-deleted no-disable-config-cmd no-disable-keyboard-lock-cmd no-disable-password-cmd no-disable-update-cmd enable-aggregate-command-set no-enable-alternate-editor-cmd no-enable-alternate-editor-implicitly no-enable-bounce-cmd no-enable-flag-cmd enable-full-header-cmd no-enable-incoming-folders no-enable-jump-shortcut no-enable-mail-check-cue enable-suspend enable-tab-completion enable-unix-pipe-cmd no-expanded-view-of-addressbooks expanded-view-of-folders no-expunge-without-confirm no-include-attachments-in-reply no-include-header-in-reply no-include-text-in-reply no-news-approximates-new-status no-news-post-without-validation no-news-read-in-newsrc-order no-preserve-start-stop-characters no-quell-user-lookup-in-passwd-file no-quit-without-confirm no-save-will-quote-leading-froms no-save-will-not-delete no-save-will-advance no-select-without-confirm no-show-selected-in-boldface no-signature-at-bottom no-use-current-dir no-use-function-keys --1442933193-169889289-814699310=:18722-- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 26 18:45:05 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25435; Thu, 26 Oct 95 18:45:05 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29450; Thu, 26 Oct 95 18:43:16 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29444; Thu, 26 Oct 95 18:43:15 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t8dnw-00038EC; Thu, 26 Oct 95 18:41 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Spammer@cris.com Subject: cmsg cancel <46olfh$bkv@spectator.cris.com> Control: cancel <46olfh$bkv@spectator.cris.com> Date: 26 Oct 1995 23:10:56 GMT Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: Please cancel this forged post/spam from one of our users. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 26 19:05:49 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26158; Thu, 26 Oct 95 19:05:49 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02318; Thu, 26 Oct 95 19:03:20 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02312; Thu, 26 Oct 95 19:03:18 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t8e4L-00038DC; Thu, 26 Oct 95 18:58 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dmbarton@mci.net (Daniel Barton) Subject: ERROR - Message to save shrank! Date: 26 Oct 1995 14:29:45 GMT Message-Id: <46o60p$dvh@news.internetmci.com> Status: O X-Status: Lately I've gotten the error "Message to save shrank! (#3: 14059 --> 14058)" for several messages I've tried to save from the inbox to another folder. I've never seen it before, and gotten it several times this week since I switched to Tenex format for the mailbox. (mail.txt in home dir). My only option is to delete the note. What's going on? Thanks, Daniel --------------------------------------------------------------- | Daniel M. Barton Internet: dmbarton@mci.net | | MCI Internet Services World Wide Web: | | Cary, North Carolina, USA http://infopage.mci.net | --------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 26 21:11:22 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28999; Thu, 26 Oct 95 21:11:22 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01893; Thu, 26 Oct 95 21:08:35 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01887; Thu, 26 Oct 95 21:08:34 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t8g5K-00038HC; Thu, 26 Oct 95 21:08 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: showie@uoguelph.ca (Steve Howie) Subject: Re: PGP & Pine Date: 26 Oct 1995 14:10:53 GMT Message-Id: <46o4td$n59@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> References: <46mka4$kv7@tbone.biol.sc.edu> Status: O X-Status: Dean Pentcheff (dean@tbone.biol.sc.edu) wrote: [ ... ] : : To get a copy of mkpgp, send a blank email message to: : : slutsky@lipschitz.sfasu.edu : : with: : : Subject: mkpgp : : It is written in csh, though (a Unix shell language), so it will : definitely not run on a PC for PC-Pine. : Any brave soul willing to port it to PC-Perl? :-) Scotty ================================================================= Steve Howie Email: showie@uoguelph.ca NetNews and Gopher Admin. Phone: (519) 824-4120 x2556 Computing and Communications Svcs. Fax: (519) 763-6143 University of Guelph If it's not Scottish its CRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPP ================================================================= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 26 21:13:15 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29055; Thu, 26 Oct 95 21:13:15 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04533; Thu, 26 Oct 95 21:08:34 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04527; Thu, 26 Oct 95 21:08:32 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t8g5K-00038EC; Thu, 26 Oct 95 21:08 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: schaefer@rs2.rz.uni-hohenheim.de (Tobias Schaefer) Subject: Re: AFS-aware IMAP daemon? Date: 26 Oct 1995 14:01:31 GMT Message-Id: <46o4br$g9b@rs3.rz.uni-hohenheim.de> References: <46mbop$nm8@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> Status: O X-Status: In article <46mbop$nm8@bigblue.oit.unc.edu>, harris@email.unc.edu (Trey Harris) writes: |> If so, are there any IMAP daemons out there (or any easy modifications to |> existing ones) that will allow access to AFS? I've hacked imapd (V3.5) to allow this. The source compiles on AIX 3.x. (And should compile on most system with an ANSI C compiler.) It is a "proof of concept" hack. I don't know anything about Performance and scalability in a 26,000 user environment. It is not in general use in our 2,000 user environment! The source is in /afs/uni-hohenheim.de/sw/src/imap-3.5.afs.hoh/src/imap-3.5 Binaries for RS/6000 are in /afs/uni-hohenheim.de/sw/rs_aix32/imap-3.5.afs.hoh/sbin -- Tobias Schaefer schaefer@uni-hohenheim.de From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 26 21:55:29 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00308; Thu, 26 Oct 95 21:55:29 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02616; Thu, 26 Oct 95 21:53:41 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02610; Thu, 26 Oct 95 21:53:40 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t8gmB-00038HC; Thu, 26 Oct 95 21:52 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: 43-Line Mode on Shell Accounts? (fwd) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 20:27:47 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I posted the following on my service provider's in-house newsgroup. Some suggested the 'stty rows 43' command, but Pine hiccupped a little on that. It would would scroll the top line off the screen, the bottom line (of commands) did not show, and on some screens the (resulting) top line was duplicated. Have any other Unix Pine users had experience with this? I should have made it clear in my original posting that my purpose was to use a 43-line mode with Pine. Thanks. Paul -------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett P. O. Box 857 Vienna, VA 22183-0857 U.S.A. Finger, keyserver, or email for PGP 2.6 public key -------------------------------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 22:01:28 -0400 From: Paul O Bartlett Newgroups: digex.general Subject: 43-Line Mode on Shell Accounts? I have an Access shell account. I use a MS-DOS PC with a vga adapter/monitor and ProComm Plus v.2 (DOS flavor), vt100 emulation. ProComm Plus and vga support a 43-line mode. Does anyone know if I can get this to work with vt100 and shell, and if so, how? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 26 23:06:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02041; Thu, 26 Oct 95 23:06:12 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06244; Thu, 26 Oct 95 23:03:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06238; Thu, 26 Oct 95 23:03:44 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t8hpd-00038HC; Thu, 26 Oct 95 22:59 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ez055012@boris.ucdavis.edu (Mr. Kirk's Nightmare) Subject: [Q] about mail unattaching Date: 26 Oct 1995 21:37:42 GMT Message-Id: <46ov36$4qm@mark.ucdavis.edu> Status: O X-Status: How can I mail a folder, as an attachment, to another address and then unattach it there as a folder? Is it similar to unattaching an addressbook? Thanks for any help... ======================================================== =:^) pqluong@ucdavis.edu -- pluong@xxcal.com @:^)= ======================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 26 23:54:04 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02774; Thu, 26 Oct 95 23:54:04 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06848; Thu, 26 Oct 95 23:48:52 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06842; Thu, 26 Oct 95 23:48:50 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t8iaj-00038HC; Thu, 26 Oct 95 23:48 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Ian Russell Ollmann Subject: Re: Pine 3.92 release...... Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 21:37:47 -0700 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: On 23 Oct 1995, Steve Hubert wrote: > On Mon, 23 Oct 1995, Finn Hybjerg Hansen wrote: > > Past history has shown that if we estimate that we'll release by date X, > there is then zero chance that we'll make it by date X. It doesn't matter > how pessimistic we are. Really, this is true, ask anyone who has been > using Pine for a few years! If we said, "surely by the end of the > year...," then you could count on it not being until January or February > at least. So, you really don't want us to make an estimate, that would > just delay things. Yes, but by that logic, giving is a finishing date of (none) means that pine 3.92 will be finished some time after that! (This would go a bit of a ways towards explaining the long delay. :-) Anyway, at least on a psychological basis, deadlines are a good way of bringing a project to some semblance of completion. Feature request: (It's a small thing really. :-) When replying to a news post, I'd like to both see the fellows name (such as Finn Hybjerg Hansen) and his e-mail address in the quote attribution line above. That way, if I wanted to CC: the fellow (or anyone else does) I/they can find his e-mail address in the text of the post that I write. (Example below.) If this feature already exists, I'd like to hear about it! Ian > On Mon, 23 Oct 1995, Finn Hybjerg Hansen wrote: > (stuff) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 27 01:51:51 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05355; Fri, 27 Oct 95 01:51:51 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05923; Fri, 27 Oct 95 01:44:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05917; Fri, 27 Oct 95 01:44:15 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t8kO1-00038EC; Fri, 27 Oct 95 01:43 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: ERROR - Message to save shrank! Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 20:37:40 -0700 Message-Id: References: <46o60p$dvh@news.internetmci.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <46o60p$dvh@news.internetmci.com> Status: O X-Status: This is a known bug in Pine 3.91 on UNIX. It can be caused by carriage return (\015) or null (\0) characters in the message. Ain't supposed to happen, it said here, but it does. The carriage return problem is fixed with Pine 3.92. The null problem will be fixed when Pine upgrades to the imap-4 toolkit (hopefully the next version after 3.92). This also occurs in PC Pine, but for a different reason. This too is fixed in 3.92. On 26 Oct 1995, Daniel Barton wrote: > Lately I've gotten the error "Message to save shrank! (#3: 14059 --> 14058)" > for several messages I've tried to save from the inbox to another folder. > I've never seen it before, and gotten it several times this week since I > switched to Tenex format for the mailbox. (mail.txt in home dir). > > My only option is to delete the note. What's going on? -- Mark -- DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 27 02:05:55 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05572; Fri, 27 Oct 95 02:05:55 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06113; Fri, 27 Oct 95 01:59:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06107; Fri, 27 Oct 95 01:59:16 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t8kZb-00038EC; Fri, 27 Oct 95 01:55 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shrim@thunder.ocis.temple.edu (The Shriminator) Subject: IMAP: multiple access to the same host? Date: 26 Oct 1995 15:49:06 GMT Message-Id: <46oali$s0f@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Status: O X-Status: Hello, Is there a way to get multiple access to different accounts on the *same* host via IMAP in Pine 3.91? For now IMAP is way kewl, but only lets me read mail fromthe other host one account at a time. I would like to have atleast three mailboxes open at a time. Can this be done via IMAP ? Apprct any help. -- N. Sriram | shrim@thunder.temple.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 27 05:24:19 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10112; Fri, 27 Oct 95 05:24:19 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11582; Fri, 27 Oct 95 05:19:43 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11576; Fri, 27 Oct 95 05:19:42 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t8ni6-00038DC; Fri, 27 Oct 95 05:16 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: martin@net.lut.ac.uk (Martin Hamilton) Subject: Treatment of new (e.g. MOSS) multipart content-types Message-Id: Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 10:55:29 GMT Status: O X-Status: I was just playing around with MOSS, and noticed that Pine doesn't like it if you define new multipart MIME content-types in the mailcap It would be nice if a future version of Pine let you (a) specify how multipart types are to be handled in the mailcap, and (b) supported the "compose" and "composetyped" mailcap feature. If nothing else, this would be a great way to support cryptography without falling foul of ITAR, but that's another newsgroup... ;-) Just wondering if this was on the feature list! Cheerio, Martin From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 27 06:43:30 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11599; Fri, 27 Oct 95 06:43:30 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12553; Fri, 27 Oct 95 06:29:57 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12547; Fri, 27 Oct 95 06:29:56 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t8omN-00038HC; Fri, 27 Oct 95 06:25 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: James Champion Subject: Help newbie: e-mail Date: 27 Oct 1995 02:45:16 GMT Message-Id: <46ph3s$rhp@news.iadfw.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: I am currently using pine for e-mail on a PC running the Linux op system. I usually login as root, use popclient to get my mail from my ISP then use pine to read/reply/compose, etc. I can send mail fine, but but in the 'from' header my e-mail address is something like 'champion ' but I would like it to be champion@airmail.net so that people replying will have the mail sent to the proper return address. Is there a way that I can force my 'From' header to be champion@airmail.net even though I am logged on as root? Thanks for your time! Jim Champion From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 27 06:45:07 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11702; Fri, 27 Oct 95 06:45:07 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09979; Fri, 27 Oct 95 06:29:55 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09972; Fri, 27 Oct 95 06:29:54 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t8omG-00038EC; Fri, 27 Oct 95 06:24 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: CMSLHES1@livjm.ac.uk (Liam the lemming) Subject: Decoding extracted PINE messages - possible? Date: 26 Oct 1995 16:21:13 GMT Message-Id: <46ochp$1lv@gensva.athena.livjm.ac.uk> Status: O X-Status: I use VMS mail on a VAX mainframe, and I've been sent a PINE attached binary. I want to decode it, but when I go into PINE (which is also on the m/f) it tells me there's not enough room to extract the file. (I have a limited quota, since I'm a university student.) It seems the only way I can get around this is to extract the raw text and decode it using a PC program which can read PINE attached files. Does anyone know if there is such a file? (Preferably for the PC, of course...) Please respond quickly, it's sending me round the bend... +-----------------------------+--------------------+---------------------------+ | ALL HAIL THE MIGHTY SPECCY! | Liam the lemming | (moz[IC]art / S!P / Bass) | +-----------------------------+--------------------+---------------------------+ | The views I express here are my own, and in no | Gouraud/phong shaded | | way reflect the views of the university. But | toruses are a hole waste | | feel free to sue them into oblivion anyway. :) | of time... | +--------------------------------------------------+---------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 27 07:44:19 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13212; Fri, 27 Oct 95 07:44:19 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13572; Fri, 27 Oct 95 07:31:57 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13566; Fri, 27 Oct 95 07:31:51 -0700 Received: from s97072.u97.stevens-tech.edu (apu@S97072.U97.stevens-tech.edu [155.246.137.180]) by menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA29871 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 10:31:50 -0400 Received: (from apu@localhost) by s97072.u97.stevens-tech.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA04419; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 10:30:43 -0400 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 10:30:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Apu X-Sender: apu@s97072.u97.stevens-tech.edu To: James Champion Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Help newbie: e-mail In-Reply-To: <46ph3s$rhp@news.iadfw.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On 27 Oct 1995, James Champion wrote: > I am currently using pine for e-mail on a PC running the Linux op system. > I usually login as root, use popclient to get my mail from my ISP then > use pine to read/reply/compose, etc. I can send mail fine, but but in the > 'from' header my e-mail address is something like 'champion ' > but I would like it to be champion@airmail.net so that people replying will > have the mail sent to the proper return address. Is there a way that I can > force my 'From' header to be champion@airmail.net even though I am logged on > as root? (a) Best solution: Make yourself a user 'champion' and login and use that user. This will prevent accidentally issuing a 'rm *' in '/' deleting everything. root should be reserved for use only when you need system administrator priv's not for general use. Under this solution, your e-mail will go out as being from 'champion' and you'll be set. Not only will it solve your Pine problem, but it will increase the security and safety of your system. (b) Bad solution: If you really HAVE to (not want to) work as root, get the source for Pine 3.91 and modify the pine/osdep/os-lnx.h file. You need to uncomment out the '#define ALLOW_CHANGING_FROM' option. Compile that ('build lnx'), then add the 'From: ' to the custom headers section of your .pinerc. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Apu............................................apu@menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu WARNING: I DISCRIMINATE E-mail is dealt with immediately; Snail mail, if I have nothing to do (never) or I'm bored (sometimes) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 27 07:47:43 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13296; Fri, 27 Oct 95 07:47:43 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13586; Fri, 27 Oct 95 07:32:19 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from server.bridgeway.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13580; Fri, 27 Oct 95 07:32:17 -0700 Received: (from andrew@localhost) by server.bridgeway.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id HAA03669; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 07:31:05 -0700 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 07:31:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrew Le To: Frederic Udina Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: adjusting time-to-look-for-new-mail In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 18 Oct 1995, Frederic Udina wrote: > > > > Is it possible to adjust the sampling time for new mail pine uses? > I will like it to react faster to mail arrival because I use 'newmail' > to announce me arrival of new mail, and pine does'nt react to the event > until several seconds later. > > Alternatively, is there some pine command to force pine to look for new > mail? This could solve my problem too, because I know that there is new > mail. In elm, I type '$' and elm is forced to re-read the inbox file. > Try using CTRL-L. Andrew From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 27 08:14:34 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13940; Fri, 27 Oct 95 08:14:34 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11450; Fri, 27 Oct 95 08:00:05 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11443; Fri, 27 Oct 95 08:00:04 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t8qDy-00038EC; Fri, 27 Oct 95 07:57 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: perlman@acsu.buffalo.edu (Scott H. Perlman) Subject: Re: Getting Mail headers without mail prog??? Date: 24 Oct 1995 21:02:11 GMT Message-Id: <46jk8j$m9v@azure.acsu.buffalo.edu> References: <45bj41$71u@nic-nac.CSU.net> <46g81r$c2k@news.dataphone.se> Status: O X-Status: Sven Guckes (guckes@math.fu-berlin.de) wrote: :> yfcon@nic.dataphone.se. (Anders Waller) writes: :> >>>>So my question is: does anyone know of any SMALL utilities out there that :> >>>>will list just your mail headers (besides mail and mailx)? :> >>>Is "awk" out of the question??? This sounds like a trick question ... :> >Hm, I wrote an alias once, before I found out about the from command. :> >Here it is: :> >alias from 'more $MAILPATH | grep From | grep -v "<" | grep -v From: | cut -f2- -d" " ;echo ""; echo "Total Mail and current mailpath:" ; du -k $MAILPATH \!*' :> Well, this looks at *all* lines which contain "From". :> It should be "^From: ", though. :> And even this does not skip "included non-quoted mails". :> So - could somebody give a better script? PERL, anyone? :> I'd promise the best script a postcard from Berlin. :> How about one of the "wrapped Reichstag"? :> I intend to add these scripts the "ELM Pages" (see sig) :> so that I can point people to it when the question arises yet again. I may be missing the point on the scripts, but /usr/ucb/from works for me. the local mail spool is /var/mail > from ../..$HOME/FILE works just fine. if the files aren't in $HOME, then put the correct path.... Scott -- "The only thing I learned | "I try never to let my schooling get in the in college is that a lot | way of my education" - Sam Clemens of people go to college" | Scott H. perlman@acsu.buffalo.edu -- Bob Dylan | http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~perlman/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 27 08:26:07 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14351; Fri, 27 Oct 95 08:26:07 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14387; Fri, 27 Oct 95 08:19:35 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from SWBTS.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14381; Fri, 27 Oct 95 08:19:33 -0700 Received: by swbts.swbts.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA05037; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 10:18:14 -0500 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 10:18:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Marshall Alexander To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Cc: Mr Datatel Subject: Listservs Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: Lists Detailed From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 27 08:30:10 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14575; Fri, 27 Oct 95 08:30:10 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11900; Fri, 27 Oct 95 08:21:35 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from SWBTS.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11894; Fri, 27 Oct 95 08:21:33 -0700 Received: by swbts.swbts.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA05085; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 10:20:16 -0500 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 10:20:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Marshall Alexander To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Cc: Mr Datatel Subject: Pine-Info Listserv Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: SUBscribe pine-info marshall@swbts.swbts.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 27 08:42:55 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15085; Fri, 27 Oct 95 08:42:55 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12048; Fri, 27 Oct 95 08:29:18 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shivams.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12042; Fri, 27 Oct 95 08:29:17 -0700 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14466; Fri, 27 Oct 95 08:29:13 -0700 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 08:29:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: The Shriminator Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: IMAP: multiple access to the same host? In-Reply-To: <46oali$s0f@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Message-Id: Organization: University of Washington; Office of Computing & Communications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: IMAP certainly lets you do this... but Pine at the moment does not. In 3.92 you'll be able to add /user= to a remote folder specification; this should do it for you. -teg On 26 Oct 1995, The Shriminator wrote: > Hello, > > > Is there a way to get multiple access to different accounts > on the *same* host via IMAP in Pine 3.91? > > For now IMAP is way kewl, but only lets me read mail fromthe > other host one account at a time. I would like to have atleast > three mailboxes open at a time. Can this be done via IMAP ? > > Apprct any help. > > -- > N. Sriram | shrim@thunder.temple.edu > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 27 11:00:19 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21899; Fri, 27 Oct 95 11:00:19 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18312; Fri, 27 Oct 95 10:50:28 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18306; Fri, 27 Oct 95 10:50:26 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t8ssX-00038DC; Fri, 27 Oct 95 10:47 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cm5211@scitsc.wlv.ac.uk (Ian Sheldon) Subject: Degree student questionnaire: Wants in a mailreader Date: 27 Oct 1995 12:03:25 -0000 Message-Id: <46qhqd$4ir@scitsc.wlv.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: Apologies to anyone who thinks this doesn't belong here, but I know of no better place! (suggestions?) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- For my final year project, I am developing an X-based mail-reader which will run under Solaris. Hence, I am interested in people's perceptions of their current mail-reader and interested in what features people think are important in a mail reader, since, obviously, I only use a distinct subset of my mailer's capabilities. Some of the features which I would like to support are: - - aliases - - piping - - ability to PGP sign and PGP encrypt messages - - multiple folders, including sent folder, received folders, etc - - use of an external editor (e.g. vi or emacs) - - ability to re-send mail (``forward'' and ``bounce'') - - ability to view a subset of the mail folder (e.g. by subject or address) - - configuration options (e.g. attribution strings, automatic inclusion of signature, etc.) - - Attachments/MIME support (though this may require the use of an internal rather than an external editor...) What does anyone else want? For example, which options would people most like to configure? It would be most helpful if you could rate each of the above on a scale of 1 to 5 (with 5 meaning ``I definately would like this option'' and 1 meaning ``I definately do not want this option''). It would also be useful if you could list which features you would most like to be able to configure. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ PLEASE NOTE: I need to assume that any replies to this questionnaire may be used by me in any manner deemed necessary in this project. In particular, I may incorporate some replies into my reports and incorporate ideas into my final program. However, please be assured that, where appropriate, messages will be attributed to their source (including e-mail address). - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks! Please reply to: Ian Sheldon (cm5211@scitsc.wlv.ac.uk). (Distribution of the complete message is unlimited). -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2i iQCVAwUBMJDH1oAzwz60jyihAQG6rgP+MjXM8UI+Nv4QdjeWTqyvKuo8seeCR/Kn hKZMjAeHPozJtNHWIPD45go/Ou3s0dyDnAssThVpkhV6Yq2ILWQBFAKeiDc6u2BE HwARkfC4P5o2viXxhC5GBaok1Oo1/4wuPN2u+utucdgdUomqZLRo4Y0vfM0Mg8Si jZXYmEQIk2I= =A3Zl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- cm5211@scitsc.wlv.ac.uk http://www.scit.wlv.ac.uk/~cm5211/home.html http://www.scit.wlv.ac.uk/~cm5211/project.html From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 27 12:25:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26034; Fri, 27 Oct 95 12:25:54 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18333; Fri, 27 Oct 95 12:20:36 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from islander.whidbey.net by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18326; Fri, 27 Oct 95 12:20:34 -0700 Received: from asn12.whidbey.net by whidbey.net with SMTP id AA21574 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 12:22:51 -0700 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 12:22:51 -0700 Message-Id: <199510271922.AA21574@whidbey.net> X-Sender: maryamo@islander.whidbey.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, p00780@psilink.com From: maryamo@whidbey.net (Mary Amo) Subject: HELP! Status: O X-Status: I desperately want to unsubscribe to this mailing list. HOW do I make it understand this? Someone please help. "HAPPINESS is playing OKBRIDGE on the net." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 27 13:10:58 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28469; Fri, 27 Oct 95 13:10:58 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19667; Fri, 27 Oct 95 13:05:45 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19661; Fri, 27 Oct 95 13:05:44 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t8v1O-00038DC; Fri, 27 Oct 95 13:04 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Concert@alcor.concordia.ca (Neil Schwartzman) Subject: Moving Messages Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 15:14:59 -0400 Message-Id: Status: RO X-Status: For a number of reasons, I moved 50 or so messages from my inbox to "saved messages" in Pine. Now, I would like to move them back to the inbox and download them via a POP client. However, when ever I use the "save" command, I am prompted for a folder name, I duly enter "INBOX" and it tells me the folder does not exist, and would I like to create it. The "list folder" function idicates the inbox is indeed in existance, and the ^T (to folders) function in the save dialogue indicates the same thing. In fact, this protocol would be a good thing to learn so that I can also download my sent messages. So, in bottom line terms - help?!? TIA -- Neil Schwartzman, Manager, Concert Hall, Concordia University 7141 Sherbrooke West, L-RF326 Montreal, Quebec, Canada H4B 1R6 Concert Info Line: (514) 848-7928 Fax: 848-2808 E-mail: Concert@Alcor.Concordia.ca From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 27 15:01:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04372; Fri, 27 Oct 95 15:01:25 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24714; Fri, 27 Oct 95 14:56:00 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24708; Fri, 27 Oct 95 14:55:58 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t8wh2-00038DC; Fri, 27 Oct 95 14:52 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Karen Stratton Subject: Re: Is there a unix based mail client supporting POP? Date: 26 Oct 1995 19:35:47 GMT Message-Id: <46onuj$b1v@allnews.infi.net> References: <46mbef$pm9@pelican.cs.ucla.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: dcheung@pelican.cs.ucla.edu (Dominic Cheung) wrote: > >I would like to get info on any unix/X based client that >support POP. Also is there a copy of the POP protocol on >the net that I can fetch? > I use popmail which can be gotten from: ftp://ftp.cic.net/pub/Software/unix/mail/popmail.shar.gz I will try to help if you have any questions about it. -- +-------------------------------+-------------------------------+ | Karen D. Stratton | Email: stratton@btg.com | | Chesapeake, Virginia | Voice: (804) 479-0347 | +-------------------------------+-------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 27 16:43:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08681; Fri, 27 Oct 95 16:43:25 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25472; Fri, 27 Oct 95 16:41:14 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25464; Fri, 27 Oct 95 16:41:12 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t8yLP-00038EC; Fri, 27 Oct 95 16:37 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Concert@alcor.concordia.ca (Neil Schwartzman) Subject: Re: Moving Messages Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 16:23:46 -0400 Message-Id: References: Status: O X-Status: In article , Concert@alcor.concordia.ca (Neil Schwartzman) wrote: > For a number of reasons, I moved 50 or so messages from my inbox to "saved > messages" in Pine. > > Now, I would like to move them back to the inbox and download them via a > POP client. > > However, when ever I use the "save" command, I am prompted for a folder > name, I duly enter "INBOX" and it tells me the folder does not exist, and > would I like to create it. The "list folder" function idicates the inbox > is indeed in existance, and the ^T (to folders) function in the save > dialogue indicates the same thing. > > In fact, this protocol would be a good thing to learn so that I can also > download my sent messages. > Ouch! Bad protocol to answer one's own post, but I gotta share my work-around, or solution (I am not sure which): I ftp'ed the two files, "saved messages" and "sent mail" from the mainframe (Alcor). Then, I used MailConverter 2.0 to translate the files into Eudora readable folders, then dropped them into the Eudora folder in the system. It worked seemlessly. :-) I would till be curious as to how to manipulate such things in Pine, just not so desperately so! -- Neil Schwartzman, Manager, Concert Hall, Concordia University 7141 Sherbrooke West, L-RF326 Montreal, Quebec, Canada H4B 1R6 Concert Info Line: (514) 848-7928 Fax: 848-2808 E-mail: Concert@Alcor.Concordia.ca From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 27 18:04:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12079; Fri, 27 Oct 95 18:04:54 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27220; Fri, 27 Oct 95 18:01:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from islander.whidbey.net by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27214; Fri, 27 Oct 95 18:01:45 -0700 Received: from asn12.whidbey.net by whidbey.net with SMTP id AA04919 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 18:04:02 -0700 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 18:04:02 -0700 Message-Id: <199510280104.AA04919@whidbey.net> X-Sender: maryamo@islander.whidbey.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, p00780@psilink.com From: maryamo@whidbey.net (Mary Amo) Subject: Status: O X-Status: subscribe "HAPPINESS is playing OKBRIDGE on the net." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 27 18:18:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12349; Fri, 27 Oct 95 18:18:31 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29461; Fri, 27 Oct 95 18:16:26 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29455; Fri, 27 Oct 95 18:16:25 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t8zsT-00038EC; Fri, 27 Oct 95 18:16 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: peteric@isltd.insignia.com (Peter Ivimey-Cook) Subject: Feature Request: Configurable Attribution line Message-Id: Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 10:00:16 GMT Status: O X-Status: HI, I just wanted to ask if Pine 3.92 will include a configurable attribution line - the one which says "ON xxx so-and-so wrote:" at the top of reply mail. I'd very much like to be able to change this to something like "Dear X", for example, without having to recompile. Thanks, Peter -- Peter Ivimey-Cook. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 27 19:04:36 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13218; Fri, 27 Oct 95 19:04:36 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28146; Fri, 27 Oct 95 19:01:33 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28140; Fri, 27 Oct 95 19:01:31 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t90XP-00038DC; Fri, 27 Oct 95 18:58 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Uwe Richter Subject: IMAPd service definition for UCX ... Date: 27 Oct 1995 10:12:34 GMT Message-Id: <46qbai$9rb@fsuj01.rz.uni-jena.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: Hello, build PINE 3.89 under VMS 5.5-2 and UCX 2.0D i want to set up the IMAP daemon. Can anyone tell me how to set the service in UCX properly? Many thanks in andvance Uwe From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 27 19:08:41 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13384; Fri, 27 Oct 95 19:08:41 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00304; Fri, 27 Oct 95 19:06:33 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00298; Fri, 27 Oct 95 19:06:32 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t90eG-00038EC; Fri, 27 Oct 95 19:05 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Candace Davies Subject: SPELL CHECKER Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 16:51:15 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Please let me know what kinds of Spell Checkers you are using with PINE. Thanks! Candy =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Candace Davies - Systems Analyst/Progammer | System: IBM RS/6000-550 Western Iowa Tech Community College | AIX 3.2.5 e-mail: daviesc@bandit.witcc.cc.ia.us | Unidata 3.1.5 v-mail: (712)274-8733 x1338 | COLL 12.2 f-mail: (712)274-6412 | =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 27 19:30:07 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13757; Fri, 27 Oct 95 19:30:07 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28492; Fri, 27 Oct 95 19:26:36 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28486; Fri, 27 Oct 95 19:26:35 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t90v5-00038DC; Fri, 27 Oct 95 19:22 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Curtis Ockerman Subject: Re: Pine and MMDF Date: 24 Oct 1995 23:02:16 GMT Message-Id: <46jr9o$ht8@xanadu.simplot.COM> References: <46c3hf$6ge@news.cis.okstate.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: I have the same question as Frederick. Does PINE work with MMDF and I'll go a bit further and ask does PINE work under SCO UNIX setup with mmdf?????? Thanks Curtis J. Ockerman (ockerman@simplot.com) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 27 19:31:30 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13845; Fri, 27 Oct 95 19:31:30 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00568; Fri, 27 Oct 95 19:26:39 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00562; Fri, 27 Oct 95 19:26:37 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t90v5-00038EC; Fri, 27 Oct 95 19:22 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Curtis Ockerman Subject: Re: Where can I find Pine (for UNIX) ? Date: 24 Oct 1995 23:04:18 GMT Message-Id: <46jrdi$ht8@xanadu.simplot.COM> References: <46gjm4$64j@gnu.mat.uc.pt> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: ftp.cac.washington.edu Good Luck, Curtis J.Ockerman (ockerman@simplot.com) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 27 19:40:43 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14033; Fri, 27 Oct 95 19:40:43 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28619; Fri, 27 Oct 95 19:36:37 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28613; Fri, 27 Oct 95 19:36:35 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t914I-00038HC; Fri, 27 Oct 95 19:32 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ccx009@coventry.ac.uk (Adam Bentley) Subject: Spreading IMAP loading on one mailhub... Date: 27 Oct 1995 12:36:39 +0100 Message-Id: <46qg87$2g9@leofric.coventry.ac.uk> Status: O X-Status: Hi, I've got a Sun Sparc 20 (160 MB ram, Sol 2.4) which is acting as a primary mailhub. We provide mail access to the whole site via IMAP and run sendmail 8.6.12 on the hub for mail.... My problem is I really need to spread the load of my IMAP users as they can eat a fair bit of memory between them (when I get more than about 125-130 the machine loading really starts to climb). I could throw more memory and CPU at it, but as I've got a couple of other less powerful but underused Sun SS10's I'd like them to help. Ideally, I'd NFS mount the mailspool accross to the other two suns.... The problem as always is file locking. If my 8.6.12 sendmail is writing to a user mailbox as an IMAPD on another host is doing something, the mailbox is gonna get trashed. So, can anyone suggest a more elegant solution or a RELIABLE method of file locking? I really don't want to start splitting our domain internally into two internal subdomains which are then munged into one for outgoing mail, but at the moment this is the only sensible method I can see... any suggestions appreciated. Otherwise, is there anyway to make my IMAP processes more machine friendly? cheers. -- _ /-\dam ------------------------------------------------------------------------- FLESH: Adam Bentley, Systems/Networking, Coventry University. UK INET : A.Bentley@coventry.ac.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------- #include ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 27 19:48:44 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14132; Fri, 27 Oct 95 19:48:44 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00865; Fri, 27 Oct 95 19:46:38 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00859; Fri, 27 Oct 95 19:46:37 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t91Di-00038EC; Fri, 27 Oct 95 19:42 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Terry Gray Subject: Re: PINE mangles domain names! Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 17:57:19 -0700 Message-Id: References: <9510272357.AA19750@sdchemw1.ucsd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <9510272357.AA19750@sdchemw1.ucsd.edu> Status: RO X-Status: Joseph, The odds are *very* high that Pine is not mangling anything, but that your *sendmail* is configured to rewrite addresses in ways it shouldn't. As a test, set smtp-server= to someplace in a different subdomain (in hopes of bypassing the local sendmails)... Even so, your last example is indeed bizarre... the "sdchemw1" should have been suppressed. What does your /etc/hosts entry look like for that host? -teg On Fri, 27 Oct 1995, Joseph Luk wrote: > Hello all, > > This is a fairly involved problem, but the net result is that PINE has > become useless for sending mail on our system because it takes liberties > with both the domain names of the sender as well as local (same host) > recipients. I hope some of you may be able to shed some light on this; > it's bewildered me and our sysadmin and if it doesn't get resolved soon, > I'll be forced to use ELM!!!! > > Okay, I'm joluk@sdchemw1.ucsd.edu. Our domain is ucsd.edu. The > user-domain variable is set to its default (no value). > > Problem 1: I want to send mail to local user dpb@sdchemw1.ucsd.edu. So > I type "dpb" in the To: field, and PINE resolves it to "Doug Book > ". Okay so far. But when Doug receives the > message, its header reads: > From: Joseph Luk > To: Doug Book > > This is *NOT* what I see in the editor screen just before sending the > message! In fact, there is no user dpb@ucsd.edu. It somehow got > delivered but the wrong addresses are shown to the receiver. What the > heck is going on here? > > It gets more bizarre, too. Experimenting with the user-domain and > use-only-domain name settings reveals the following: > > user-domain = sdchemw1.ucsd.edu > (on screen) To: Doug Book > (received mail header) > From: Joseph Luk > To: Doug Book > > user-domain = sdchemw1 > (on screen) To: Doug Book > (received mail header) > From: Joseph Luk > X-Sender: joluk@sdchemw1.ucsd.edu > To: Doug Book > > user-domain = > use-only-domain-name = Yes > (on screen) To: dpb@sdchemw1.ucsd.edu > (received mail header) > From: Joseph Luk > To: Doug Book > > > The last one is completely bizarre and *still* won't properly provide > the correct To: address of . Funny thing is, it > seems that regardless of the setting of the two variables, whenever I > send mail outside ucsd.edu, the recipient gets that bizarre tacked-on > thing. It's possible that this is a problem with the mail servers at > chem.ucsd.edu tacking on the extra address, and separate from the domain > mangling mentioned above. > > There may be a set of problems here, and as you can see they're not > minor ones. If anyone else has had experience with domain names and > PINE, please let me know! > > Thanks, > Joe > > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 27 20:25:26 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14995; Fri, 27 Oct 95 20:25:26 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29314; Fri, 27 Oct 95 20:21:42 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29308; Fri, 27 Oct 95 20:21:41 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t91o1-00038DC; Fri, 27 Oct 95 20:19 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Kevin B Fleming Subject: pc pine & smtp port Date: 27 Oct 1995 13:25:33 GMT Message-Id: <46qmkd$1pl@sydney1.world.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: is there a way to change the port number that pc pine expects the smtp server on?? (from 125 to 25) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 27 20:48:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15461; Fri, 27 Oct 95 20:48:31 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01756; Fri, 27 Oct 95 20:43:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from argus.lowell.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01750; Fri, 27 Oct 95 20:43:44 -0700 Received: by argus.lowell.edu (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0t92BD-0007ErC; Fri, 27 Oct 95 20:43 MST Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 20:43:35 -0700 (MST) From: "E. Karl Isbrecht" Subject: folder transfer question To: info pine Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: hello everyone, This is not a bug query but I have a question on how to save all the files in any particular pine folder onto a floppy; is this do-able by folder or must each file be moved into another area separately, assembled into a folder there and >then< dumped on a floppy ? Many Thanks, Karl From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 27 21:04:22 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15863; Fri, 27 Oct 95 21:04:22 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02026; Fri, 27 Oct 95 21:01:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02020; Fri, 27 Oct 95 21:01:46 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t92QP-00038DC; Fri, 27 Oct 95 20:59 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jlady@u.washington.edu (James Lady) Subject: Multiple incoming message folders Date: 24 Oct 1995 23:42:24 GMT Message-Id: <46jtl0$553@nntp5.u.washington.edu> Status: O X-Status: I am using the filter program to sort incoming messages to separate folders. I set up an incoming message folder called foo, and tell filter to direct certain messages to foo. When a message comes in and is directed to foo, Pine creates a NON-incoming message folder called foo. The message will appear in the non-incoming folder called foo, but the incoming folder called foo is still empty. Any ideas about what's going on would be appreciated. Thanks. Jim Lady University of Washington jiml@cqs.washington.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 27 21:36:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16355; Fri, 27 Oct 95 21:36:20 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00437; Fri, 27 Oct 95 21:31:51 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00431; Fri, 27 Oct 95 21:31:49 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t92st-00038DC; Fri, 27 Oct 95 21:28 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ez055012@boris.ucdavis.edu (Mr. Kirk's Nightmare) Subject: Re: About the location of signature! Date: 26 Oct 1995 21:30:10 GMT Message-Id: <46oul2$17s@mark.ucdavis.edu> References: <46g89o$c1h@base.station.net> <46iu3e$dqk@ratty.wolfe.net> Status: O X-Status: Joshua_Putnam (josh@WOLFENET.COM) wrote: : signature-at-bottom under Setup/Config menu will do that for : replies, but I don't know any way to get the signature at the : bottom for forwarded mail. Anybody know how to do that? Sorry, you cannot setup sig-at-bottom in pine for forwarding mail..hopefully the next version will "fix" this. ======================================================== =:^) pqluong@ucdavis.edu -- pluong@xxcal.com @:^)= ======================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 27 22:13:38 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17355; Fri, 27 Oct 95 22:13:38 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03067; Fri, 27 Oct 95 22:10:40 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shivams.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03061; Fri, 27 Oct 95 22:10:38 -0700 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17317; Fri, 27 Oct 95 22:10:37 -0700 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 22:10:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: James Lady Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Multiple incoming message folders In-Reply-To: <46jtl0$553@nntp5.u.washington.edu> Message-Id: Organization: University of Washington; Office of Computing & Communications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Jim, The relevant info from your .pinerc is the incoming-folders and folder-collections definitions. Given the contents of those two variables, we might be able to help... -teg On 24 Oct 1995, James Lady wrote: > I am using the filter program to sort incoming messages to separate folders. > I set up an incoming message folder called foo, and tell filter to direct > certain messages to foo. When a message comes in and is directed to foo, > Pine creates a NON-incoming message folder called foo. The message will > appear in the non-incoming folder called foo, but the incoming folder > called foo is still empty. > > Any ideas about what's going on would be appreciated. Thanks. > > Jim Lady > University of Washington > jiml@cqs.washington.edu > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 27 22:28:32 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17528; Fri, 27 Oct 95 22:28:32 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03199; Fri, 27 Oct 95 22:21:57 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03187; Fri, 27 Oct 95 22:21:55 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t93iA-00038DC; Fri, 27 Oct 95 22:21 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: colorado@crl.com (Scott Matteson) Subject: Rejecting incoming e-mail Date: 27 Oct 1995 21:49:46 -0700 Message-Id: <46scpa$7i0@crl13.crl.com> Status: O X-Status: Does anyone know how to set Pine to reject all incoming mail messages? Is there some kind of a "message reject" function or perhaps a change that could be made in the configuration to block e-mail? Any help would really be appreciated. -- Scott Matteson |"The issue here isn't whether you're paranoid. It's colorado@crl.com | whether you're paranoid ENOUGH." Boston, MA | - Tom Sizemore "Strange Days" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 27 23:59:56 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19058; Fri, 27 Oct 95 23:59:56 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02495; Fri, 27 Oct 95 23:57:10 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02489; Fri, 27 Oct 95 23:57:08 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t958T-00038HC; Fri, 27 Oct 95 23:52 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Mark A. Wille" Subject: Signature Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 22:20:16 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I have a question. In pine, how can you create a signature? Thank you very much. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 28 00:56:15 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20039; Sat, 28 Oct 95 00:56:15 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03287; Sat, 28 Oct 95 00:53:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ix7.ix.netcom.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03281; Sat, 28 Oct 95 00:53:06 -0700 Received: from by ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id AAA15584; Sat, 28 Oct 1995 00:53:03 -0700 Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 00:53:03 -0700 Message-Id: <199510280753.AAA15584@ix7.ix.netcom.com> From: gnsinc@ix.netcom.com (Don Dietrich ) Subject: unsubscribe To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Status: O X-Status: please take me off the list From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 28 01:14:29 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20640; Sat, 28 Oct 95 01:14:29 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05577; Sat, 28 Oct 95 01:12:36 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05571; Sat, 28 Oct 95 01:12:34 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t96Mj-00038EC; Sat, 28 Oct 95 01:11 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Brandon Subject: Filtering? Is it possible? Date: 27 Oct 1995 14:55:26 GMT Message-Id: <46qrsu$hkg@hamblin.math.byu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: Is it possible to filter incoming email so that you can send or forward a message to a new location? I am on a VMS system. If you have any feedback, please make suggestions. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 28 04:42:03 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25247; Sat, 28 Oct 95 04:42:03 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06576; Sat, 28 Oct 95 04:39:04 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06570; Sat, 28 Oct 95 04:39:03 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t99XX-00038DC; Sat, 28 Oct 95 04:35 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jgvd@guava.epix.net (Jonathan and DearOldDad) Subject: Re: SPELL CHECKER Date: 27 Oct 1995 16:08:55 GMT Message-Id: <46r06n$keb@guava.epix.net> References: Status: O X-Status: Candace Davies (daviesc@witcc.cc.ia.us) wrote: : Please let me know what kinds of Spell Checkers you are using with PINE. : Thanks! Huh?? Pine (pico) has a built-in spell checker. While in compose mode, press ^T (control+t). It only picks up obvious errors, not anything near as good as WordPerfect would, for example, and it does NOT suggest corrections, but it's better than nothing. By the way, I just ran a spell check on this message, and it told me that the following words are invalid, so you can see it's kind of lame: Newsgroups, WordPerfect, pico, comp.mail.pine, daviesc. Hope this helps. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 28 04:51:56 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25554; Sat, 28 Oct 95 04:51:56 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08722; Sat, 28 Oct 95 04:49:05 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08716; Sat, 28 Oct 95 04:49:03 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t99jv-00038DC; Sat, 28 Oct 95 04:47 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lbi@netcom.com (lux) Subject: a different editor than pico? Message-Id: Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 22:39:18 GMT Status: O X-Status: How do I arrange to use a different edit inside pine (like emacs)? I see references to it being done in the faq I have from months ago, but it doesn't mention how you go about doing it. thanks From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 28 06:04:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26599; Sat, 28 Oct 95 06:04:06 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07573; Sat, 28 Oct 95 05:59:13 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07567; Sat, 28 Oct 95 05:59:11 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t9AoH-00038DC; Sat, 28 Oct 95 05:56 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Don Meyers Subject: Printing the Index Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 14:36:25 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I access Pine through my shell account at my ISP using Terminal in WIN 3.1. Is there a way to print the index to a given mail or Usenet group by other than doing successive screen prints? Thanks for your help. _________________________________________________ : Don Meyers & Kathi Ploeger : : Seattle, Washington USA 206-789-2678 : : /\_/\ /\_/\ /\_/\ : : ( o.* ) ( o.o ) ( o.o ) : :__ > ~ < _________ > + < ___________ > ~ < ____: From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 28 07:04:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27427; Sat, 28 Oct 95 07:04:23 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10207; Sat, 28 Oct 95 06:59:19 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10201; Sat, 28 Oct 95 06:59:18 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t9Bjw-00038DC; Sat, 28 Oct 95 06:56 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mlck@cnct.com (Cassady Kent) Subject: Deleting incoming folders Date: 28 Oct 1995 04:26:14 -0400 Message-Id: <46spf6$ni7@cnct.com> Status: O X-Status: I accidentally added an incoming folder with the 'Add' command. When I try to delete it and type y to confirm, it says: Can't delete folder so-and-so. No such folder. How do I get rid of the name of the folder if the folder isn't there. (I feel like I'm in windows 95). This is unimportant and therefore incredibly irritating. Thanks for any help you can offer. . From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 28 07:50:47 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28097; Sat, 28 Oct 95 07:50:47 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08845; Sat, 28 Oct 95 07:46:03 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from server.hamburg.netsurf.de by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08839; Sat, 28 Oct 95 07:46:01 -0700 Received: from mail.isys.net[193.96.224.33] by mail.hamburg.netsurf.de with smtp (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.1); id m0t9BbN-000sFKC; Sat, 28 Oct 95 15:47 GMT+0200 Received: from paddington by mail.isys.net with smtp (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.22); id ; Sat, 28 Oct 95 15:45 MEZ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 15:46:18 +0100 (MET) From: michael.joswig@hamburg.netsurf.de X-Sender: michaelj@paddington To: lux Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: a different editor than pico? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: It's all in the (S)etup -> (C)onfig Screen, something like use-alternative-editor. There is even a Flag to always use the alternative editor. (Once you are in config try "?" on those fields, it's full of help!) Ciao, Michael On Thu, 26 Oct 1995, lux wrote: > How do I arrange to use a different edit inside pine (like emacs)? > > I see references to it being done in the faq I have from months ago, > but it doesn't mention how you go about doing it. > > thanks ================================================================ Michael J. Joswig michael.joswig@Hamburg.NetSurf.DE If Not You, Who Else? (Terry Pratchett, Only You Can Save Mankind) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 28 09:28:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29846; Sat, 28 Oct 95 09:28:25 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10113; Sat, 28 Oct 95 09:19:41 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10107; Sat, 28 Oct 95 09:19:39 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t9Dur-00038DC; Sat, 28 Oct 95 09:15 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: olka@alpha.ok.ae.wroc.pl (Aleksandra Marciniuk) Subject: REQ: -=[ the latest pine's version ]=- Date: 26 Oct 1995 14:43:08 GMT Message-Id: <46o6ps$d62@sun1000.ci.pwr.wroc.pl> Status: O X-Status: Aloha :) Plz tell me, where I can get the latest pine's version. Thx in advance :) -- ,--- ,- Tomasz Okulewicz ,- chato@ekonom.ar.wroc.pl ,------ ,- ,---- ,---- ,----------- ,----- (R) ,- ,- ,- ,- , ,- ,- ,- ,- ,- ,- ,- ,- ,- ,- ,- ,- ,- ,- ,- ,- ,- ,- ,-------- ,- ,- ,- ,- ,- ,- ,- ,- ,- ,- ,- ,- ,------ ,--- ,- ,- ,---- ,----- ,------ ,- ,- , , L I M I T E D ----=== A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away ===---- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 28 09:53:08 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00554; Sat, 28 Oct 95 09:53:08 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12422; Sat, 28 Oct 95 09:49:42 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12416; Sat, 28 Oct 95 09:49:41 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t9EOo-00038DC; Sat, 28 Oct 95 09:46 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Way Sun Subject: Mail File Format? Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 03:20:46 GMT Status: O X-Status: Hi, Wondering if anyone knows where I can find the description of the Mail files (/usr/spool/mail) format? Is it a RFC822 format? I am curious to find out how PINE marks the each mail as read,new, and addressed? I opened the mail file with an hex editor and didn't manage to see any difference between a read and new mail. Thanks Way From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 28 10:27:24 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01194; Sat, 28 Oct 95 10:27:24 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10978; Sat, 28 Oct 95 10:24:48 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10972; Sat, 28 Oct 95 10:24:46 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t9ExU-00038EC; Sat, 28 Oct 95 10:22 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nelson@wingra.com (David Nelson) Subject: Beta Sites Needed for new Missive/AIX Email Switch Date: 27 Oct 1995 20:33:07 GMT Message-Id: <46rfm3$akb@fullfeed.msn.fullfeed.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Status: O X-Status: Wingra Technologies of Madison, Wisconsin is getting ready to release a version of their Missive e-mail switch for the AIX operating system. We are seeking beta test sites to work with us in testing this new product. Missive/AIX is an RS/6000 based, software-only intelligent messaging hub that integrates multiple e-mail systems into one e-mail network with a global X.500 e-mail directory. Support is currently provided for: -- SMTP/MIME mailers like Sendmail, ZMail, and Internet mail -- cc:Mail -- Microsoft Mail -- MHS and gMHS mailers like DaVinci and Beyond -- DEC All-In-1 -- DEC VMSMail Future versions of Missive/AIX will provide support for Profs/OfficeVision VM, Lotus Notes, and X.400. Missive/AIX has a quick config feature so it can be up and running in quick order. Missive's X-Windows based management utility provides a graphical representation of the e-mail network and color-coded alerts to make managing the network a breeze. The X.500 global e-mail directory is pre-configured and easy to populate. Users can query the directory via their web browser (an industry first) or through email. In fact, Missive/AIX contains a World Wide Web server and makes extensive use of web technology to provide help information, updates, and technical support. If you would like to become a beta test site for Missive/AIX or would just like additional product information, please call me at 1-800-544-5465 or check us out on the web at http://www.wingra.com/ We'll also be at E-mail world in Boston on November 28-30, 1995. Thanks, Dave --------------------------------------------------------------------- David T. Nelson Sales Manager Wingra Technologies, Inc. 450 Science Drive, One West Madison, WI 53711-1056 (608) 238-4454 (800) 544-5465 FAX: (608) 238-8986 Internet: Nelson@Wingra.com Web: http://www.wingra.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 28 12:41:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03956; Sat, 28 Oct 95 12:41:31 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14871; Sat, 28 Oct 95 12:38:11 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from arl-img-3.compuserve.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14859; Sat, 28 Oct 95 12:38:09 -0700 Received: by arl-img-3.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id PAA07516; Sat, 28 Oct 1995 15:38:08 -0400 Date: 28 Oct 95 15:37:01 EDT From: Brian Jackson <102402.3126@compuserve.com> To: info staff Subject: MIME/PINE tools Message-Id: <951028193701_102402.3126_EHR81-2@CompuServe.COM> Status: O X-Status: Hello, I am looking for help on obtaining MIME/PINE aware tools so that I can read a very important file that I have been waiting to read for about a week and a half. If you could simply inform me on how to obtain this or tell me who to ask, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks, B. Jackson 102402,3126 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 28 13:12:37 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04738; Sat, 28 Oct 95 13:12:37 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15411; Sat, 28 Oct 95 13:10:10 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15405; Sat, 28 Oct 95 13:10:09 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t9HZd-00038DC; Sat, 28 Oct 95 13:09 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Joseph Luk Subject: PINE mangles domain names! Date: 27 Oct 1995 23:55:21 GMT Message-Id: <46rrh9$mp9@news1.ucsd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: Hello all, This is a fairly involved problem, but the net result is that PINE has become useless for sending mail on our system because it takes liberties with both the domain names of the sender as well as local (same host) recipients. I hope some of you may be able to shed some light on this; it's bewildered me and our sysadmin and if it doesn't get resolved soon, I'll be forced to use ELM!!!! Okay, I'm joluk@sdchemw1.ucsd.edu. Our domain is ucsd.edu. The user-domain variable is set to its default (no value). Problem 1: I want to send mail to local user dpb@sdchemw1.ucsd.edu. So I type "dpb" in the To: field, and PINE resolves it to "Doug Book ". Okay so far. But when Doug receives the message, its header reads: From: Joseph Luk To: Doug Book This is *NOT* what I see in the editor screen just before sending the message! In fact, there is no user dpb@ucsd.edu. It somehow got delivered but the wrong addresses are shown to the receiver. What the heck is going on here? It gets more bizarre, too. Experimenting with the user-domain and use-only-domain name settings reveals the following: user-domain = sdchemw1.ucsd.edu (on screen) To: Doug Book (received mail header) From: Joseph Luk To: Doug Book user-domain = sdchemw1 (on screen) To: Doug Book (received mail header) From: Joseph Luk X-Sender: joluk@sdchemw1.ucsd.edu To: Doug Book user-domain = use-only-domain-name = Yes (on screen) To: dpb@sdchemw1.ucsd.edu (received mail header) From: Joseph Luk To: Doug Book The last one is completely bizarre and *still* won't properly provide the correct To: address of . Funny thing is, it seems that regardless of the setting of the two variables, whenever I send mail outside ucsd.edu, the recipient gets that bizarre tacked-on thing. It's possible that this is a problem with the mail servers at chem.ucsd.edu tacking on the extra address, and separate from the domain mangling mentioned above. There may be a set of problems here, and as you can see they're not minor ones. If anyone else has had experience with domain names and PINE, please let me know! Thanks, Joe From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 28 14:07:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05710; Sat, 28 Oct 95 14:07:31 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14141; Sat, 28 Oct 95 14:05:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14135; Sat, 28 Oct 95 14:05:15 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t9IQw-00038DC; Sat, 28 Oct 95 14:04 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: n9243953@scooter.cc.wwu.edu (Ryan C.) Subject: test Date: 25 Oct 95 21:07:48 GMT Message-Id: Status: RO X-Status: s is soeley a test... sorry for puting it here.... SDDFF -- "I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather. Not screaming in terror like his passengers." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 28 14:23:41 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06014; Sat, 28 Oct 95 14:23:41 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16353; Sat, 28 Oct 95 14:21:16 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ihipms.ihip.pku.edu.cn by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16347; Sat, 28 Oct 95 14:21:12 -0700 Received: from hs651.ihip.pku.edu.cn by ihipms with SMTP (5.65/1.2-eef) id AA06391; Sun, 29 Oct 95 05:19:52 +0800 Received: by hs651.ihip.pku.edu.cn.ihip.pku.edu.cn (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18072; Sat, 28 Oct 95 15:09:56 CST Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 15:09:56 +0800 (CST) From: Dayong Liu To: "Mark A. Wille" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Signature In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 27 Oct 1995, Mark A. Wille wrote: > I have a question. In pine, how can you create a signature? Thank you > very much. > Just produce a .signature file in your home directory, in Unix. -- _______________________________________________________________________________ Dayong Liu | Department of Technical Physics dyliu@hs651.ihip.pku.edu.cn | Peking University http://hs651.ihip.pku.edu.cn/~dyliu | Beijing 100871, P. R. China ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 28 15:04:07 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07041; Sat, 28 Oct 95 15:04:07 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16901; Sat, 28 Oct 95 15:00:25 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16895; Sat, 28 Oct 95 15:00:23 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t9JIL-00038DC; Sat, 28 Oct 95 15:00 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mikea@shadow.net (0000-Admin(0000)) Subject: Pine takes REALLY long to connect Date: 28 Oct 1995 01:59:18 GMT Message-Id: <46s2pm$spl@bud.shadow.net> Status: O X-Status: I am running Pine on one machine, and on another one the SMTP server. It takes about a minute for pine to even ask me the userid and password. Is there a way to make connecting to the SMTP server faster. Please help... Thanks in advance, Mike From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 28 15:41:39 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07850; Sat, 28 Oct 95 15:41:39 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17474; Sat, 28 Oct 95 15:39:48 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from Kitten.mcs.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17468; Sat, 28 Oct 95 15:39:47 -0700 Received: from venus.mcs.com (root@Venus.mcs.com [192.160.127.92]) by kitten.mcs.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA11854; Sat, 28 Oct 1995 17:39:44 -0500 Received: by venus.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Sat, 28 Oct 95 17:39 CDT Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 17:39:42 -0500 (CDT) From: "Mark A. Wille" X-Sender: mwille@Venus.mcs.com To: Dayong Liu Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Signature In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I realize this, but I just don't understand the procedure to go about this. Thank you. Mark A. Wille mwille@mcs.net On Sat, 28 Oct 1995, Dayong Liu wrote: > On Fri, 27 Oct 1995, Mark A. Wille wrote: > > > I have a question. In pine, how can you create a signature? Thank you > > very much. > > > Just produce a .signature file in your home directory, in Unix. > > -- > _______________________________________________________________________________ > Dayong Liu | Department of Technical Physics > dyliu@hs651.ihip.pku.edu.cn | Peking University > http://hs651.ihip.pku.edu.cn/~dyliu | Beijing 100871, P. R. China > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 28 15:58:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08409; Sat, 28 Oct 95 15:58:25 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15596; Sat, 28 Oct 95 15:55:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15590; Sat, 28 Oct 95 15:55:30 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t9K8q-00038DC; Sat, 28 Oct 95 15:54 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mlck@cnct.com (Cassady Kent) Subject: Re: Signature Date: 28 Oct 1995 14:57:40 -0400 Message-Id: <46tuf4$d4t@cnct.com> References: Status: O X-Status: Mark A. Wille (mwille@mcs.net) wrote: : I have a question. In pine, how can you create a signature? Thank you : very much. Put whatever you want in a file named .signature (the initial dot is required) in your home directory. That works 99% of the time. If it doesn't, check your setup configuration menu within pine. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 28 16:37:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09346; Sat, 28 Oct 95 16:37:12 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18333; Sat, 28 Oct 95 16:35:36 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18327; Sat, 28 Oct 95 16:35:34 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t9KlE-00038DC; Sat, 28 Oct 95 16:34 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Terry Gray Subject: Re: Spreading IMAP loading on one mailhub... Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 23:30:49 -0700 Message-Id: References: <46qg87$2g9@leofric.coventry.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <46qg87$2g9@leofric.coventry.ac.uk> Status: O X-Status: On 27 Oct 1995, Adam Bentley wrote: > My problem is I really need to spread the load of my IMAP users... Adam, The way I would approach this problem is as follows... Goals: o Want to use IMAP and avoid NFS for performance and locking reasons. o Need multiple IMAP servers for scalability. o Want to preserve single email domain view. Need: o An algorithm *OR* a database for mapping usernames into the name or cname of a mail server. o An MX mail forwarder for the email domain that uses the above algorithm or database. (We use sendmail as the MTA). o A DNS server for the email domain that uses the above algorithm or database. Configuration: o Clients are configured (using Pine terminology) to have an inbox-path=.email.coventry.ac.uk e.g. inbox-path=ccx009.email.coventry.ac.uk The customized DNS server for email.coventry.ac.uk would then return the IP address of the mail server for user ccx009. Because MX routing allows load sharing across multiple mail forwarders and the the modified sendmail on the MX hosts and DNS servers allow use of multiple mail servers, I believe this model could be scaled to support very large numbers of users, on the order of hundreds of thousands, though I/O (esp. seek) bandwidth probably limits each server to around 200 concurrent sessions. -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 28 17:03:37 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09844; Sat, 28 Oct 95 17:03:37 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16622; Sat, 28 Oct 95 17:00:40 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16616; Sat, 28 Oct 95 17:00:38 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t9L77-00038DC; Sat, 28 Oct 95 16:56 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mlck@cnct.com (Cassady Kent) Subject: Re: a different editor than pico? Date: 28 Oct 1995 02:50:51 -0400 Message-Id: <46sjsb$8b5@cnct.com> References: Status: O X-Status: lux (lbi@netcom.com) wrote: : How do I arrange to use a different edit inside pine (like emacs)? : I see references to it being done in the faq I have from months ago, : but it doesn't mention how you go about doing it. You have to find the Editor = line in the configuration menu. From the Main Menu within Pine, type s for setup, c for configuration, and space down to the last page of the menu and select the Editor = line. When no value is set for the alternate editor, Pine uses Pico. Use the Add Value command to change it to vi or emacs and maybe others for all I know. At this point, Pine still uses Pico. You have to find the enable-alternate-editor- lines on screen two of the configuration menu and pick one. Enable-alternate-editor-cmd allows you to run emacs only when you request it with the 'switch to alternate editor' command ^_. Enable-alternate-editor-implicitly will run emacs automatically whenever you compose or edit a letter. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 28 17:34:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10420; Sat, 28 Oct 95 17:34:20 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19193; Sat, 28 Oct 95 17:30:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19187; Sat, 28 Oct 95 17:30:45 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t9Ldr-00038IC; Sat, 28 Oct 95 17:30 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: joechen@cc.ntu.edu.tw (joechen) Subject: Why only can see =A4=B3 ???? Date: 28 Oct 1995 04:18:34 GMT Message-Id: <46sauq$93e@netnews.ntu.edu.tw> Status: O X-Status: I use pine to mail Chinese letters to a friend in American, although she uses pine also, but she said that she can only see such things like =A4=B3=C5 .... But my pine can see her Chinese mail. Can someone tell me how to solve her problem? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 28 17:38:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10546; Sat, 28 Oct 95 17:38:06 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17120; Sat, 28 Oct 95 17:35:44 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17114; Sat, 28 Oct 95 17:35:42 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t9LeA-00038DC; Sat, 28 Oct 95 17:30 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Spreading IMAP loading on one mailhub... Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 21:22:35 -0700 Message-Id: References: <46qg87$2g9@leofric.coventry.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <46qg87$2g9@leofric.coventry.ac.uk> Status: O X-Status: On 27 Oct 1995, Adam Bentley wrote: > My problem is I really need to spread the load of my IMAP users as > they can eat a fair bit of memory between them (when I get more than > about 125-130 the machine loading really starts to climb). I could > throw more memory and CPU at it, but as I've got a couple of other > less powerful but underused Sun SS10's I'd like them to help. Ideally, > I'd NFS mount the mailspool accross to the other two suns.... There are several things which you can do. If memory use is the concern, you can use one of the alternate mail formats which do not require reading the entire folder into memory, such as tenex, albeit at the cost of making text searches slower. Refer to the Pine technical notes for more defaults. You must not use NFS with tenex format, though. NFS is not a true UNIX filesystem; it is a subset and lacks several important characteristics (robust locking and atomic file/directory operations). Tenex format uses random access update-mode I/O which depends upon these. So if you must use NFS, you're pretty much stuck with UNIX mbox format. > The problem as always is file locking. If my 8.6.12 sendmail is writing > to a user mailbox as an IMAPD on another host is doing something, the > mailbox is gonna get trashed. Why do you think that this would be the case? Sendmail should be using the .lock file locking which works even over NFS. [Not that I recommend using NFS -- I don't. It is always worse than local file access.] > I really don't want > to start splitting our domain internally into two internal subdomains > which are then munged into one for outgoing mail, but at the moment > this is the only sensible method I can see... This isn't necssarily a bad idea, since at some time you may want to split users by workgroup or other category. -- Mark -- DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 28 18:37:56 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11756; Sat, 28 Oct 95 18:37:56 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20091; Sat, 28 Oct 95 18:35:52 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20085; Sat, 28 Oct 95 18:35:50 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t9Mbf-00038DC; Sat, 28 Oct 95 18:32 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: simon@epsilon.win-uk.net (Simon Ho) Subject: How do I set up Pine to use another NNTP server? Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 13:48:21 GMT Message-Id: <46tfnc$2cn@gwen.pcug.co.uk> Status: O X-Status: Hi This may not be exactly to do with mail but I use Pine to read mail and news on a Unix account with my local University. The problem with my site is that they restrict the number and types of newsgroups to those solely to do academic and research purpose. I have an acccount with an ISP with full newsgroup coverage but would like to use their NNTP server to read them from Uni. I've tried changing the NNTP server in the config but I can't get anything or else it defaults to the uni NNTP server. Is there a way to pass along my user details to the other NNTP server so that I can use Pine to read news with that server. thanks rgds Simon Ps please email me at this address. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 28 18:42:17 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11828; Sat, 28 Oct 95 18:42:17 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20177; Sat, 28 Oct 95 18:40:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mizar.usc.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20171; Sat, 28 Oct 95 18:40:30 -0700 Received: (kozinski@localhost) by mizar.usc.edu (8.7.1/8.6.4) id SAA25881; Sat, 28 Oct 1995 18:40:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 18:40:28 -0700 (PDT) From: The Easy Rider To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Chaning margin settings In-Reply-To: <46sjsb$8b5@cnct.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I would like to change the left and right margins for my e-mail messages to send out a narrower block of text. Does anybody know how I can do this without having to change every line by hand? Thanx. Ciao. AK From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 28 19:55:46 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13036; Sat, 28 Oct 95 19:55:46 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18957; Sat, 28 Oct 95 19:53:01 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from jaguar1.usouthal.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18951; Sat, 28 Oct 95 19:52:59 -0700 Received: by jaguar1.usouthal.edu (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA22548; Sat, 28 Oct 1995 21:56:59 -0500 Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 21:56:59 -0500 (CDT) From: Cha Chun Mok Subject: May I have some help please. (fwd) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 621 Status: O X-Status: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 21:49:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Cha Chun Mok To: pine-info@cac.wasshington.edu Subject: May I have some help please. (fwd) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 21:39:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Cha Chun Mok To: pine@cac.washington.edu Subject: May I have some help please. (fwd) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 21:32:00 -0500 (CDT) From: Cha Chun Mok To: pine-bugs@cal.washington.edu Subject: May I have some he From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 28 20:22:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13497; Sat, 28 Oct 95 20:22:31 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19356; Sat, 28 Oct 95 20:21:04 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19350; Sat, 28 Oct 95 20:21:02 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t9OHh-00038DC; Sat, 28 Oct 95 20:19 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: simon@epsilon.win-uk.net (Simon Ho) Subject: How do I set up Pine to use another NNTP server? Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 17:11:47 GMT Message-Id: <46trkq$4on@gwen.pcug.co.uk> Status: O X-Status: Hi This may not be exactly to do with mail but I use Pine to read mail and news on a Unix account with my local University. The problem with my site is that they restrict the number and types of newsgroups to those solely to do academic and research purpose. I have an acccount with an ISP with full newsgroup coverage but would like to use their NNTP server to read them from Uni. I've tried changing the NNTP server in the config but I can't get anything or else it defaults to the uni NNTP server. Is there a way to pass along my user details to the other NNTP server so that I can use Pine to read news with that server. thanks rgds Simon Ps please email me at this address. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 28 20:32:53 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13710; Sat, 28 Oct 95 20:32:53 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21576; Sat, 28 Oct 95 20:31:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21569; Sat, 28 Oct 95 20:31:05 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t9ONq-00038DC; Sat, 28 Oct 95 20:26 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Mark A. Wille" Subject: Re: Signature Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 21:06:16 -0500 Message-Id: References: <46tuf4$d4t@cnct.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <46tuf4$d4t@cnct.com> Status: O X-Status: Thank you for your help, but someone showed me how to do this on IRC. I thank all of you who have responded to my post through mail also. See my signature now? :) Mark A. Wille mwille@mcs.com Christian Information Systems Coordinator -------------------------------------------------------------------- |To receive information on Christian Information Systems, send mail| |to mwille@mcs.com with INFO-CIS as the subject, and nothing in the| |body of the message. | -------------------------------------------------------------------- On 28 Oct 1995, Cassady Kent wrote: > Mark A. Wille (mwille@mcs.net) wrote: > : I have a question. In pine, how can you create a signature? Thank you > : very much. > > Put whatever you want in a file named .signature (the initial dot is > required) in your home directory. That works 99% of the time. If it > doesn't, check your setup configuration menu within pine. > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 28 21:53:14 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14948; Sat, 28 Oct 95 21:53:14 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20510; Sat, 28 Oct 95 21:51:18 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20504; Sat, 28 Oct 95 21:51:17 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t9Phu-00038EC; Sat, 28 Oct 95 21:50 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dean@tbone.biol.sc.edu (Dean Pentcheff) Subject: Re: Running PGP from Pine Date: 28 Oct 1995 17:14:10 -0400 Message-Id: <46u6f2$k0@tbone.biol.sc.edu> References: <46nk1k$891@esanews.denet.dk> Status: O X-Status: 5x9@dec5102.aarhues.dk (Martin Kofoed) writes: ... >Are there any ways to get Pine to encrypt a message using PGP? I'm >running Pine on a Ultrix system (DEC), and I'd like to hear about any >solutions that might be (a sort of shell, a new version of Pine etc.). There is a csh script that works well in conjunction with Pine. It is invoked as an "alternate editor" and will encrypt and/or sign outgoing mail, and decrypt and/or check signatures on incoming mail. To do the trick on incoming mail, you pretend you're going to forward the mail, forcing Pine to send it into the "alternate editor", whereupon PGP gets a crack at it. For information: finger slutsky@lipschitz.sfasu.edu For the script, send blank email to the same address, with Subject: mkpgp -Dean -- N. Dean Pentcheff WWW: http://tbone.biol.sc.edu/~dean/ Biological Sciences, Univ. of South Carolina, Columbia SC 29208 (803-777-3936) PGP ID=768/22A1A015 Keyprint=2D 53 87 53 72 4A F2 83 A0 BF CB C0 D1 0E 76 C0 Get PGP keys and information using the command: "finger dean@tbone.biol.sc.edu" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 28 21:57:46 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15006; Sat, 28 Oct 95 21:57:46 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22651; Sat, 28 Oct 95 21:56:19 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22642; Sat, 28 Oct 95 21:56:17 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t9PjL-00038DC; Sat, 28 Oct 95 21:52 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Mark A. Wille" Subject: Question Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 23:13:10 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: How does one upload a file to his/her directory, where then he/she can attach it? Thank you very much for your help. Mark A. Wille mwille@mcs.net Christian Information Systems Coordinator -------------------------------------------------------------------- |To receive information on Christian Information Systems, send mail| |to mwille@mcs.net with INFO-CIS as the subject, and nothing in the| |body of the message. | -------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 28 22:10:43 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15271; Sat, 28 Oct 95 22:10:43 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20702; Sat, 28 Oct 95 22:06:20 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20696; Sat, 28 Oct 95 22:06:18 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t9Pw6-00038DC; Sat, 28 Oct 95 22:05 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: yoshio@osak.ac.jp, agc03455@niftyserv.or.jp, agcO3455@niftyserv.or.jp, abb03396@niftyserv.or.jp, nak@sinnica.edu.tw, chu@aoone.net.au, jtw@dialicks.co.nz, hary@nitec.ac.jp, leeni@osaka.ac.jp, gar@unee.edu, seng@pl.my, toxO4994@niftyserv.or.jp, chiu@pll.my, ben@I.net (Yoshio Koseki) Subject: ===>> FREE 1 yr. Magazine Sub sent worldwide- 295+ Popular USA Titles Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 10:59:49 +0900 Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: -----> NOTE: Please first read my note which appears below the "Request for more info Form." Then, to get more info, just fill out the "Request for More Info" form completely and email it back to the company. To make it easier for you to reply, I have put their address in the "Reply-To" field, which means you can just use your email software to reply to this message in order to get that address to pop-up in your "To:" field. <----- *------------cut here-----------------------------------------------* REQUEST FOR MORE INFO: please return *only* this section only via internet email to: potential.new.members.info@0.5.5.1.7.6.9.8.1.7.1.tpc.int Sorry, but incomplete forms *will not* be acknowledged. If you do not have an email address, or access to one, they will not be able to help you until you do have one. If you saw this message, then you should have one. :) Name: Internet email address: Smail home address: City-State-Zip: Country: Work Tel. #: Work Fax #: Home Tel. #: Home Fax #: Name of USA mags you currently get on the newstand or in the store: Name of USA mags you currently get on a subscription basis, through the mail: Name of USA mags you would like price quotes on when they call you: Catalogue format desired from below two choices: (1. 19-part email message; 2. atttached file by email; see below on which format may be best for you). If you saw this on the internet, which newsgroup did you see it in?: How did you hear about us (name of person who referred you or the area of the internet that you saw us mentioned in): Yoshio Koseki's referral 102895-n *------------cut here-----------------------------------------------* {{{Note- 19-part email can be received by anyone with any computer. Attached file format may not be for you: it is sent as an uncompressed 525K file formatted in Microsoft World on a Mac; if you don't use Microsoft Word on a Mac - you will have to know how to convert into a usable text format. They cannot help you with this. If in doubt, they suggest you go with the universally acceptable 19-part email message. You can always manually spend a few minutes pasting the parts into one whole.}}} Hi fellow 'netters, My name is Yoshio Koseki and I recently started using a magazine subscription club in the USA that has a FREE 1 yr. magazine subscription deal with your first paid order- and I have been very pleased with them. They have over 1,500 different USA titles that they can ship to any country on a subscription basis. As for computer magazines from the USA, they more of a selection than I ever knew even existed. They have magazines for most every area of interest in their list of 1,500 titles. Within the USA, for their USA members, they are cheaper than all their competitors and even the publishers themselves. This is their price guarantee. Overseas, on the average, they are generally around one-fourth to one-half of what the newstands overseas charge locally for USA magazines. On some titles they are as little as one-tenth of what the newstands charge. They feel that mgazines should not be a luxury overseas. In the USA, people buy magazines and then toss them after reading them for just a few minutes or hours. They are so cheap in the USA! Well, this company would like to make it the same way for their overseas members. They are also cheaper than all their competitors in the USA and overseas, including the publishers themselves! This is their price guarantee. Around one-half their business comes from overseas, so they are very patient with new members who only speak limited English as a 2nd language. Their prices are so cheap because they deal direct with each publisher and cut-out all the middlemen. They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and juicey) !)...if you completely fill out the form above. It has lists of all the freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by categories and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that they sell. Please do not email me as I am just a happy customer and a *busy* student. I don't have time to even complete my thesis in time, let alone run my part-time software business! Please fill out the below form and email to them at: potential.new.members.info@0.5.5.1.7.6.9.8.1.7.1.tpc.int *NOTE: to make it easier for you to reply, I have put their address in the "Reply-To" field, which means you can just use your email software to reply to this message in order to get that address to pop-up in your "To:" field.* They guarantee to beat all their competitors' prices. Sometimes they are less than half of the next best deal I have been able to find and other times, just a little cheaper - but I have never found a lower rate yet. They assured me that if I ever do, they will beat it. They have been very helpful and helped me change my address from the USA to Finland and then back again when I moved last month. They are very knowledgeable about addressing mags worldwide. They have a deal where you can get a free 1 yr. sub to a new magazine from a special list of over 300 popular titles published in the USA. They will give you this free 1 yr. sub when you place your first paid order with them to a renewal or new subscription to any of the over 1,500 different popular USA titles they sell. They can arrange delivery to virtually any country and I think they have clients in around 35 or 36 countries now. Outside the USA there is a charge for foreign postage and handling (on both paid and freebie subs) that varies from magazine to magazine. I have found their staff to be very friendly and courteous. They even helped me with an address change when I moved from one country to another. The owner thinks of his service as a "club" and his clients as "members" (even though there is no extra fee to become a member - your first purchase automatically makes you a member) and he is real picky about who he accepts as a new member. When he sets you up as a new member, he himself calls you personally on the phone to explain how he works his deal, or sometimes he has one of his assistants call. He is kind of quirky sometimes - he insists on setting up new members by phone so he can say hi to everyone (I sure wouldn't want to have his phone bills!), but you can place future orders (after your first order) via E-mail. He has some really friendly young ladies working for him, who seem to know just as much as he does about this magazine stuff. If you live overseas, he will even call you there, as long as you are interested, but I think he still makes all his overseas calls on the weekends, I guess cause the long distance rates are cheaper then. He only likes to take new members from referrals from satisfied existing members and he does virtually no advertising. When I got set-up, they had a 2-3 week waiting list for new members to be called back so that they could join up. (Once you are an existing member, they help you immediately when you call. ) I think they are able to get back to prospective new members the same day or within a few days now, as they have increased their staff. I am not sure about this.........but if you email the above form to them, that is the way to get started! They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and juicey) !)...if you completely fill out the form above. It has lists of all the freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by categories and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that they sell. They then send you email that outlines how his club works and the list of free choices that you can choose from, as well as the entire list of what he sells; and then they will give you a quick (3-5 minute) friendly, no-pressure no-obligation call to explain everything to you personally and answer all your questions. Once you get in, you'll love them. I do. Sincerely, Yoshio Koseki ps. please forward a copy of this message to all your friends on the net who you think might be interested in it! It is a great deal! If you join and then they join after you, you will earn a free 1 yr. subscription for each new person you get to join after you join! If you exceed 25 referrals, they let you use them to give away as gifts, for Christmas, Chanukah or any other occassion. Please be kind enough to mention my name when you join. I will then get a free magazine for a year for referring you. Thank you. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 28 22:24:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15455; Sat, 28 Oct 95 22:24:31 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20910; Sat, 28 Oct 95 22:23:12 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20904; Sat, 28 Oct 95 22:23:11 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t9Q8V-00038EC; Sat, 28 Oct 95 22:18 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mlck@cnct.com (Cassady Kent) Subject: Re: folder transfer question Date: 28 Oct 1995 15:03:41 -0400 Message-Id: <46tuqd$dqo@cnct.com> References: Status: O X-Status: E. Karl Isbrecht (kisbrech@argus.lowell.edu) wrote: : hello everyone, : . . . how : to save all the files in any particular pine folder : onto a floppy . . . I'm just passing through so I may have misread your question, but I think pine folders *are* files. They're only viewable as discrete, sortable messages within pine. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 28 22:24:43 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15508; Sat, 28 Oct 95 22:24:43 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23034; Sat, 28 Oct 95 22:23:11 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23026; Sat, 28 Oct 95 22:23:09 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t9Q8d-00038HC; Sat, 28 Oct 95 22:18 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Marty Hood Subject: Saving messages to a floppy Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 15:02:28 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: How do you do it? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 28 23:24:34 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16521; Sat, 28 Oct 95 23:24:34 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23872; Sat, 28 Oct 95 23:22:49 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23866; Sat, 28 Oct 95 23:22:48 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t9R6L-00038HC; Sat, 28 Oct 95 23:20 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: yoshio@osak.ac.jp, agc03455@niftyserv.or.jp, agcO3455@niftyserv.or.jp, abb03396@niftyserv.or.jp, nak@sinnica.edu.tw, chu@aoone.net.au, jtw@dialicks.co.nz, hary@nitec.ac.jp, leeni@osaka.ac.jp, gar@unee.edu, seng@pl.my, toxO4994@niftyserv.or.jp, chiu@pll.my, ben@I.net (Yoshio Koseki) Date: 29 Oct 1995 04:56:06 GMT Message-Id: Subject: cmsg cancel Control: cancel Status: O X-Status: Spam cancelled by clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 28 23:35:02 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16729; Sat, 28 Oct 95 23:35:02 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21760; Sat, 28 Oct 95 23:32:30 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shivams.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21754; Sat, 28 Oct 95 23:32:29 -0700 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16682; Sat, 28 Oct 95 23:32:20 -0700 Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 23:32:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: joechen Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Why only can see =A4=B3 ???? In-Reply-To: <46sauq$93e@netnews.ntu.edu.tw> Message-Id: Organization: University of Washington; Office of Computing & Communications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: It might be that a mail gateway somewhere is stripping out the MIME version header, so that Pine does not recognize the message as having MIME encoding. Inspecting the (normally hidded) headers of a sample message, as it looks upon arrival, would confirm or deny this hypothesis. -teg On 28 Oct 1995, joechen wrote: > I use pine to mail Chinese letters to a friend in American, > although she uses pine also, but she said that she can only > see such things like =A4=B3=C5 .... But my pine can see her > Chinese mail. Can someone tell me how to solve her problem? > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 28 23:49:37 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16948; Sat, 28 Oct 95 23:49:37 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21935; Sat, 28 Oct 95 23:46:34 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21929; Sat, 28 Oct 95 23:46:33 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t9RUN-00038HC; Sat, 28 Oct 95 23:45 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gs01mew@panther.Gsu.EDU (Eric Wardowski) Subject: Screen size in Pine on Unix Date: 28 Oct 1995 14:18:40 GMT Message-Id: <46te40$ln9@sphinx.Gsu.EDU> Status: O X-Status: I am frustrated by the limit of Pico and Pine at only using 1/2 of my screen in Unix. I have "export LINES=42" in my startup file (which makes everything else including tin recognize 42 lines) but Pine and Pico still use only 23 or 24 lines. Is there a configuration option that I have overlooked? -- Eric Wardowski eric.ward@swsbbs.com (and other hot spots!) "You live and learn. Or you don't live long!" -- Lazarus Long From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 29 00:08:26 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17343; Sun, 29 Oct 95 00:08:26 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24432; Sun, 29 Oct 95 00:06:38 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24426; Sun, 29 Oct 95 00:06:36 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t9Rp4-00038EC; Sun, 29 Oct 95 00:06 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Mark A. Wille" Subject: Re: Saving messages to a floppy Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 21:03:35 -0500 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: I would also like to know how to do this function. Mark A. Wille mwille@mcs.com Christian Information Systems Coordinator -------------------------------------------------------------------- |To receive information on Christian Information Systems, send mail| |to mwille@mcs.com with INFO-CIS as the subject, and nothing in the| |body of the message. | -------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sat, 28 Oct 1995, Marty Hood wrote: > How do you do it? > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 29 03:00:18 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21875; Sun, 29 Oct 95 03:00:18 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25120; Sun, 29 Oct 95 02:57:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25114; Sun, 29 Oct 95 02:57:14 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t9VPa-00038HC; Sun, 29 Oct 95 02:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: richw@opentext.com (Rich Wales) Subject: Re: How to lock inbox folder? Date: 27 Oct 1995 22:43:32 -0400 Message-Id: <46s5ck$c2e@pad.ia.opentext.com> References: Status: O X-Status: MRC@CAC.Washington.EDU (Mark Crispin) wrote: The easiest way to use Tenex format is to create an empty file in your home directory called mail.txt. The next time Pine is started, it will automatically pull new mail from /usr/spool/mail into mail.txt and do the format conversion as well. All new mail delivered to /usr/spool/mail in the future will also be snarf into mail.txt by Pine. I use "procmail", together with my own set of filters, to deliver my incoming mail into multiple Tenex-format inboxes. Since Pine doesn't actually read my new mail out of /usr/spool/mail, I assume the above trick with "mail.txt" wouldn't work for me. Another thing I found useful, to ensure that new saved-mail folders would be created in Tenex format, was to create a ".mminit" file in my home directory, with the following content: set empty-folder-format tenex Without this, I ran into the problem that when I saved a message to a brand-new folder, it was created in "Bezerkley" (traditional UNIX) format. I tried building a custom version of Pine with the default folder type set to Tenex, but then I poked around the C-client library code and discovered I could accomplish the task with the above line in the ".mminit" file. Rich Wales Kitchener, Ontario, Canada http://home.opentext.com/~richw/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 29 03:29:43 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22544; Sun, 29 Oct 95 03:29:43 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27736; Sun, 29 Oct 95 03:27:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27730; Sun, 29 Oct 95 03:27:16 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t9VsQ-00038EC; Sun, 29 Oct 95 03:26 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: indy@odyssey.win.net Message-Id: <7632@odyssey.win.net> Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 05:33:29 GMT Subject: Dearborn Cty Users Status: O X-Status: A local bb now has a link with the internet. Odyssey of Aurora. 926-4057 and 926-4132. ( A Widows based BB ) ***Message from Odyssey of Indiana 812-926-4132*** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 29 07:18:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26548; Sun, 29 Oct 95 07:18:20 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00934; Sun, 29 Oct 95 07:14:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from dekalb.vf.mmc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00928; Sun, 29 Oct 95 07:14:00 -0800 Received: from franklin.vf.mmc.com (franklin.VF.GE.COM [166.17.5.51]) by dekalb.vf.mmc.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA02747 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 1995 10:13:59 -0500 Received: from mmpcs1.psf.ge.com (mmpcs1.PSF.GE.COM [166.16.124.4]) by franklin.vf.mmc.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id KAA19480 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 1995 10:13:57 -0500 Received: by mmpcs1.psf.ge.com (4.1/MMC Sun server N-3.4) id AA27533; Sun, 29 Oct 95 10:12:39 EST Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 10:12:38 -0500 (EST) From: Don Sugarman To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: folder transfer question Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 27 Oct 1995, E. Karl Isbrecht wrote: > hello everyone, > > This is not a bug query but I have a question on how > to save all the files in any particular pine folder > onto a floppy; > is this do-able by folder or must each file be > moved into another area separately, assembled into a folder > there and >then< dumped on a floppy ? > You don't say what your system configuration is, so I'll make my suggestions general. Your 'folder' is a file located in a mail directory. This file can be saved directly to floppy using a transfer method appropriate to your configuration. For example, if you are running pine on a Unix workstation by dialing in with a PC, just download the file (with kermit, or zmodem, for example) with the floppy as the designated path. If you don't have a transfer program on the Unix host, cat the file with a log file open on your PC and capture the data to the log file. Hope this gives you some ideas. If you need more help, you will have to send more information about your setup. Don Sugarman sugarman@mmpcs1.psf.ge.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 29 08:10:36 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27376; Sun, 29 Oct 95 08:10:36 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01630; Sun, 29 Oct 95 08:07:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01624; Sun, 29 Oct 95 08:07:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t9aD1-00038DC; Sun, 29 Oct 95 08:03 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mvbailey@crl.com (Mark Bailey) Subject: Help: Attached Files Unreadable By SPRY? Date: 29 Oct 1995 08:00:42 -0800 Message-Id: <4708fa$f3o@crl5.crl.com> Status: O X-Status: I have a friend using SPRY (Internet In A Box) for his Email. When I send him an attached ASCII file using PINE, he can read my message but my attached file is garbled. Anybody know why? ...................................................................... . mvbailey@crl.com I'm not crazy, and neither am I. . ...................................................................... -- ...................................................................... . mvbailey@crl.com I'm not crazy, and neither am I. . ...................................................................... From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 29 08:20:27 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27504; Sun, 29 Oct 95 08:20:27 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29385; Sun, 29 Oct 95 08:17:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29379; Sun, 29 Oct 95 08:17:52 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t9aN6-00038DC; Sun, 29 Oct 95 08:14 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: harris@email.unc.edu (Trey Harris) Subject: AFS-aware IMAP daemon? Date: 25 Oct 1995 21:55:37 GMT Message-Id: <46mbop$nm8@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> Status: O X-Status: I administer an email system with approximately 26,000 users, of which several thousand are using IMAP. We currently run on a cluster of workstations, but are soon to upgrade to an IBM RS/6000 parallel SP system. At this time, we will be migrating our users to AFS. At this time we anticipate using MIT Kerberos v4 for both AFS and SP authentication (since both AFS and the SP are compatible with Kerberos v4 but not with each other's proprietary Kerberos). However, we may end up using the AFS kaserver for reasons of expediency. I don't think this changes the answer to my question, though. My question has to do with my IMAP users. Mail spools will continue to reside in the Unix filesystem, not AFS. Thus, as I understand it, there is no need for an 'AFS-ized' IMAP daemon just to get at the inboxes of users. AFS does not come into this scenario. A Kerberized daemon is required so that the plaintext login can be authenticated to Kerberos. However, when an IMAP client makes a request for an archived mail folder (such as the sent or saved messages), the daemon must get this information from the user's home directory--which resides in AFS. Now, if we use the Cyrus imapd, a plaintext login (such as Pine, MailDrop, Siren Mail or Simeon Email use) will cause the imap daemon to get a Kerberos ticket. This is where I get fuzzy, however. I believe that a Kerberos ticket is necessary but not sufficient to grant a process access to the AFS filespace. An AFS token is also required for a process to be able to read and write to an AFS filesystem. Am I correct? If so, are there any IMAP daemons out there (or any easy modifications to existing ones) that will allow access to AFS? -- Trey Harris http://sunsite.unc.edu/harris/ System Administrator, Project Isis, Office of Information Technology The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 29 08:46:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28129; Sun, 29 Oct 95 08:46:06 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02121; Sun, 29 Oct 95 08:42:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02115; Sun, 29 Oct 95 08:42:55 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t9aoM-00038DC; Sun, 29 Oct 95 08:42 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Alice in Wonderland Subject: Posting to multiple newsgroups Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 16:28:34 UTC Status: O X-Status: For some reason Pine doesn't seem to work when I try to post to more than one newsgroup at a time. I could not find any specific on-line help with this. What is the proper way to separate the newsgroup names? With a comma, a comma and a space, or what? Thanks for your help, - Alice. (plato@quack.kfu.com) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 29 11:16:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00743; Sun, 29 Oct 95 11:16:31 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01889; Sun, 29 Oct 95 11:13:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01883; Sun, 29 Oct 95 11:13:13 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t9d9f-00038DC; Sun, 29 Oct 95 11:12 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: The LORD is My Shepherd Subject: Send carbon Copy to multiple users... Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 11:56:37 -0500 Status: O X-Status: I want to send letter to many people using pine but... I want only the users to see my address and his not all the others... does anyone know how to set carbon copy.. I head they call it using pine.... I mean send the Copy to a list... without wasting they bandwith.. with other people e-mail@adress Thank you for the help>> Samuel . .@. . @m@,. .@ .@m%nm@,. .@m@ .@nvv%vnmm@,. .@mn%n@ .@mnvvv%vvnnmm@,. .@mmnv%vn@, @mmnnvvv%vvvvvnnmm@,. .@mmnnvvv%vvnm@ @mmnnvvvvv%vvvvvvnnmm@, ;;;@mmnnvvvvv%vvvnm@, `@mmnnvvvvvv%vvvvvnnmmm;;@mmnnvvvvvv%vvvvnmm@ `@mmmnnvvvvvv%vvvnnmmm;%mmnnvvvvvv%vvvvnnmm@ `@m%v%v%v%v%v;%;%;%;%;%;%;%%%vv%vvvvnnnmm@ .,mm@@@@@mm%;;@@m@m@@m@@m@mm;;%%vvvnnnmm@;@,. .,@mmmmmmvv%%;;@@vmvvvvvvvvvmvm@@;;%%vvnnm@;%mmm@, .,@mmnnvvvvv%%;;@@vvvvv%%%%%%%vvvvmm@@;;%%mm@;%%nnnnm@, .,@mnnvv%v%v%v%%;;@mmvvvv%%;*;*;%%vvvvmmm@;;%m;%%v%v%v%vmm@,. ,@mnnvv%v%v%v%v%v%v%;;@@vvvv%%;*;*;*;%%vvvvm@@;;m%%%v%v%v%v%v%vnnm@, ` `@mnnvv%v%v%v%%;;@mvvvvv%%;;*;;%%vvvmmmm@;;%m;%%v%v%v%vmm@' ' `@mmnnvvvvv%%;;@@mvvvv%%%%%%%vvvvmm@@;;%%mm@;%%nnnnm@' `@mmmmmmvv%%;;@@mvvvvvvvvvvmmm@@;;%%mmnmm@;%mmm@' `mm@@@@@mm%;;@m@@m@m@m@@m@@;;%%vvvvvnmm@;@' ,@m%v%v%v%v%v;%;%;%;%;%;%;%;%vv%vvvvvnnmm@ .@mmnnvvvvvvv%vvvvnnmm%mmnnvvvvvvv%vvvvnnmm@ .@mmnnvvvvvv%vvvvvvnnmm'`@mmnnvvvvvv%vvvnnmm@ @mmnnvvvvv%vvvvvvnnmm@':%::`@mmnnvvvv%vvvnm@' @mmnnvvv%vvvvvnnmm@'`:::%%:::'`@mmnnvv%vvmm@ `@mnvvv%vvnnmm@' `:;%%;:' `@mvv%vm@' `@mnv%vnnm@' `;%;' `@n%n@ `@m%mm@' ;%;. `@m@ @m@' `;%; `@ `@' ;%;. ' Top portion of a ` `;%; picture by Susie Oviatt. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 29 11:26:41 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00954; Sun, 29 Oct 95 11:26:41 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04257; Sun, 29 Oct 95 11:23:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04251; Sun, 29 Oct 95 11:23:15 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t9dHg-00038DC; Sun, 29 Oct 95 11:20 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Mark A. Wille" Subject: Text files Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 13:01:08 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I have a question. How do you insert a text file into a message? Is there also a certain way to auto-respond using a text file if you recieve a piece of mail with a certain subject? Thank you for your time and thought for these questions. Mark A. Wille mwille@mcs.net Christian Information Systems Coordinator -------------------------------------------------------------------- |To receive information on Christian Information Systems, send mail| |to mwille@mcs.net with INFO-CIS as the subject, and nothing in the| |body of the message. | -------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 29 11:45:10 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01358; Sun, 29 Oct 95 11:45:10 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02320; Sun, 29 Oct 95 11:43:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mizar.usc.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02314; Sun, 29 Oct 95 11:43:03 -0800 Received: (kozinski@localhost) by mizar.usc.edu (8.7.1/8.6.4) id LAA16476; Sun, 29 Oct 1995 11:43:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 11:43:00 -0800 (PST) From: The Easy Rider To: The LORD is My Shepherd Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Send carbon Copy to multiple users... In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: NOTE: I TRIED TO SEND THIS AS A PRIVATE REPLY BUT GOT A BAD ADDRESS MESSAGE, SO I'M POSTING IT TO LIST. Ciao. AK Use the Rich Header and put all the addressees in the bcc field. Then put yourself in the to field. They will see a letter addressed from you to you, but no other addressees. To get the rich header, put your cursor somewhere in the header and type ^R (control R). To be sure you haven't made a mistake (sometimes I put the addresses in the cc filed by mistake, which defeats the purpose) hit ^R again when you're done putting in the addresses, and they all should disappear. BTW, I assume you know how to make an address of people who you send stuff to regularly so you don't have to type addresses by hand every time. If not, write back and I'll advise. Hope this helps. Ciao. AK On Sun, 29 Oct 1995, The LORD is My Shepherd wrote: > > I want to send letter to many people using pine but... I want > only the users to see my address and his not all the others... > does anyone know how to set carbon copy.. I head they call it > using pine.... I mean send the Copy to a list... without wasting > they bandwidth.. with other people e-mail@address > > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 29 15:45:58 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06477; Sun, 29 Oct 95 15:45:58 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05900; Sun, 29 Oct 95 15:43:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05894; Sun, 29 Oct 95 15:43:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t9hN2-00038DC; Sun, 29 Oct 95 15:42 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Re: Screen size in Pine on Unix Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 18:42:11 -0500 Message-Id: References: <46te40$ln9@sphinx.Gsu.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <46te40$ln9@sphinx.Gsu.EDU> Status: O X-Status: On 28 Oct 1995, Eric Wardowski wrote: > I am frustrated by the limit of Pico and Pine at only using 1/2 of my > screen in Unix. I have "export LINES=42" in my startup file (which makes > everything else including tin recognize 42 lines) but Pine and Pico still > use only 23 or 24 lines. Is there a configuration option that I have > overlooked? Are you using some sort of PC, Mac, or Amiga (etc.) _and_ communications software to login to your Unix account? I am, and I found that I had to tell _both_ my shell and my comm software about the new screen size. (Unfortunately, I still had a problem with Unix Pine, and a posting I made here a few days ago has so far not been responded to.) Paul -------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett P. O. Box 857 Vienna, VA 22183-0857 U.S.A. Finger, keyserver, or email for PGP 2.6 public key -------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 29 15:50:28 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06570; Sun, 29 Oct 95 15:50:28 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08298; Sun, 29 Oct 95 15:48:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08292; Sun, 29 Oct 95 15:48:52 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t9hQx-00038EC; Sun, 29 Oct 95 15:46 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Re: Question Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 18:45:58 -0500 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: On Sat, 28 Oct 1995, Mark A. Wille wrote: > How does one upload a file to his/her directory, where then he/she can > attach it? Thank you very much for your help. Unfortunately, there is no single answer to your question. It depends on what operating system you are uploading from, what operating system you are uploading to, and what software is available on each system. You may have to provide more information about your setup. Paul -------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett P. O. Box 857 Vienna, VA 22183-0857 U.S.A. Finger, keyserver, or email for PGP 2.6 public key -------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 29 15:56:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06717; Sun, 29 Oct 95 15:56:06 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06084; Sun, 29 Oct 95 15:53:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06078; Sun, 29 Oct 95 15:53:52 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t9hU4-00038DC; Sun, 29 Oct 95 15:49 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Re: Text files Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 18:49:40 -0500 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: On Sun, 29 Oct 1995, Mark A. Wille wrote: > I have a question. How do you insert a text file into a message? Put the cursor in the text area where you want to insert the file. Press Ctrl-R (for "read message," I think it is). Answer the prompt with the filename (and path, if it is not in the current directory). > Is there > also a certain way to auto-respond using a text file if you recieve a > piece of mail with a certain subject? [...] Not with Pine as it stands. You need to use other software to autorespond to a message, such as procmail under Unix. Paul -------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett P. O. Box 857 Vienna, VA 22183-0857 U.S.A. Finger, keyserver, or email for PGP 2.6 public key -------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 29 16:11:13 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07131; Sun, 29 Oct 95 16:11:13 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08659; Sun, 29 Oct 95 16:08:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08653; Sun, 29 Oct 95 16:08:56 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t9hjQ-00038DC; Sun, 29 Oct 95 16:05 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: xdxnn@datasrv.co.il ( ) Subject: How to autoget news articles by mail Date: 30 Oct 1995 00:51:34 GMT Message-Id: <4717im$9o0@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> Status: O X-Status: I was told there's some configuration option that allows you to get all articles posted to a certain newsgroup directly to your mail box? how do i do that? Thanx From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 29 16:18:13 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07333; Sun, 29 Oct 95 16:18:13 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06435; Sun, 29 Oct 95 16:13:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06429; Sun, 29 Oct 95 16:13:56 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t9hr0-00038DC; Sun, 29 Oct 95 16:13 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jilmarie@imap2.asu.edu Subject: New pine user :) Please help Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 17:10:42 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hi, I just opened this pine account at my university and use my computer at home to sign on. I'm trying to learn how to use pine. I'm VERY new to computers and really lost. The only other e-mail/internet system I've used is America on line. Is there any way to set pine up so that I can use windows and a mouse? Any suggestion about how to get it more user friendly would be wonderful. Also, how would I join the same e-mail listst that I used on AOL? I'm trying to join vetmed-l, but don't know how. THANKS. Jill jilmarie@asu.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 29 17:58:28 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09427; Sun, 29 Oct 95 17:58:28 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07950; Sun, 29 Oct 95 17:56:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from pluto.irdu.nus.sg by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07944; Sun, 29 Oct 95 17:56:08 -0800 Received: (aaron@localhost) by pluto.irdu.nus.sg (8.6.11/8.6.4) id JAA16118; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 09:55:52 +0800 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 09:55:49 +0800 (WST) From: Aaron Aw To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: How to redirect incoming mail Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hi, Does anyone know how to redirect incoming mail to different folders? I understand that we need to use the filter program or some others. Pls advise. Thanks Just Me, Aaron Aw ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Give me a break here... E-Mail: aaron@irdu.nus.sg Phone:(065) 772-8094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 29 19:00:57 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10601; Sun, 29 Oct 95 19:00:57 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11086; Sun, 29 Oct 95 18:59:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11080; Sun, 29 Oct 95 18:59:19 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t9kO1-00038DC; Sun, 29 Oct 95 18:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Mark A. Wille" Subject: Re: Untitled Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 20:26:29 -0600 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: Scott, are you talking about hosting a mailing list? If you are, yes, it is possible using the Address Book feature. :) Mark A. Wille mwille@mcs.net Christian Information Systems Coordinator -------------------------------------------------------------------- |To receive information on Christian Information Systems, send mail| |to mwille@mcs.net with INFO-CIS as the subject, and nothing in the| |body of the message. | -------------------------------------------------------------------- On 24 Oct 1995, Scott M. Huse wrote: > Hi, > > Is it possible to use Pine with a mailing list? If so, how? > > Thank you. > > Scott > > =================================================================== > Scott M. Huse > > Rome Laboratory/C3AB Email: huse@einstein.cs.rl.af.mil > 525 Brooks Road Phone: (315) 330-2925 > Griffiss AFB, NY 13441-4505 Fax : (315) 330-2807 > > http://www.ics.rl.af.mil/About/Huse.html > =================================================================== > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 29 19:22:22 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10970; Sun, 29 Oct 95 19:22:22 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09109; Sun, 29 Oct 95 19:19:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09103; Sun, 29 Oct 95 19:19:22 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t9kjP-00038EC; Sun, 29 Oct 95 19:17 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cravenja@cleo.bc.edu Subject: Pine Source code Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 02:26:26 GMT Message-Id: <471d1a$ffb@delphi.bc.edu> Status: O X-Status: Does anyone know where I can get the Pine source? I am trying to recompile it and I was wondering if there is an FTP site or something where I can get it?? John Craven From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 29 19:26:15 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11021; Sun, 29 Oct 95 19:26:15 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11402; Sun, 29 Oct 95 19:24:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11396; Sun, 29 Oct 95 19:24:22 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t9kof-00038DC; Sun, 29 Oct 95 19:23 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Mark A. Wille" Subject: Re: Text files Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 20:34:36 -0600 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: Thank you very much for your help. It was very much appreciated. Mark A. Wille mwille@mcs.net Christian Information Systems Coordinator -------------------------------------------------------------------- |To receive information on Christian Information Systems, send mail| |to mwille@mcs.net with INFO-CIS as the subject, and nothing in the| |body of the message. | -------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sun, 29 Oct 1995, Paul O Bartlett wrote: > On Sun, 29 Oct 1995, Mark A. Wille wrote: > > > I have a question. How do you insert a text file into a message? > > Put the cursor in the text area where you want to insert the file. > Press Ctrl-R (for "read message," I think it is). Answer the prompt with > the filename (and path, if it is not in the current directory). > > > Is there > > also a certain way to auto-respond using a text file if you recieve a > > piece of mail with a certain subject? [...] > > Not with Pine as it stands. You need to use other software to > autorespond to a message, such as procmail under Unix. > > Paul > -------------------------------------------------- > Paul O. Bartlett > P. O. Box 857 Vienna, VA 22183-0857 U.S.A. > Finger, keyserver, or email for PGP 2.6 public key > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 29 20:42:48 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12424; Sun, 29 Oct 95 20:42:48 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10204; Sun, 29 Oct 95 20:39:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10198; Sun, 29 Oct 95 20:39:33 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t9ly5-00038DC; Sun, 29 Oct 95 20:37 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mikea@shadow.net (Mike Arias) Subject: Pine and SMTP server Date: 30 Oct 1995 04:23:15 GMT Message-Id: <471jvj$bul@bud.shadow.net> Status: RO X-Status: How can I make Pine connect quickly to an SMTP server. The way it works now takes about a minute to connect. There must be a better way of doing it, since Eudora, can connect much quicker and it's not even a Unix program. Thanks in advance, Mike From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 29 21:42:48 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13469; Sun, 29 Oct 95 21:42:48 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13368; Sun, 29 Oct 95 21:39:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shivams.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13362; Sun, 29 Oct 95 21:39:03 -0800 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13405; Sun, 29 Oct 95 21:39:00 -0800 Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 21:39:00 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: Mark Bailey Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Help: Attached Files Unreadable By SPRY? In-Reply-To: <4708fa$f3o@crl5.crl.com> Message-Id: Organization: University of Washington; Office of Computing & Communications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: This sounds like Spry's mail program does not understand the MIME Internet standard that Pine uses for attachments. Suggest *including* the text file (^R) instead of *attaching* --or encourage your correspondent to get a mailer that understands MIME. -teg On 29 Oct 1995, Mark Bailey wrote: > I have a friend using SPRY (Internet In A Box) for his Email. When I > send him an attached ASCII file using PINE, he can read my message but my > attached file is garbled. > > Anybody know why? > > ...................................................................... > . mvbailey@crl.com I'm not crazy, and neither am I. . > ...................................................................... > -- > ...................................................................... > . mvbailey@crl.com I'm not crazy, and neither am I. . > ...................................................................... > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 29 22:33:01 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14541; Sun, 29 Oct 95 22:33:01 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14045; Sun, 29 Oct 95 22:29:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14039; Sun, 29 Oct 95 22:29:47 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t9nhk-00038DC; Sun, 29 Oct 95 22:28 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: LOT$@psg.com, OF@psg.com, MONEY@GET.THIS Subject: cancel <46on2i$bkv@spectator.cris.com> Message-Id: Date: Sun, 29 Oct 95 23:14:46 MT Control: cancel <46on2i$bkv@spectator.cris.com> Status: RO X-Status: Cancelled with Waffle by . From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 30 00:46:32 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16672; Mon, 30 Oct 95 00:46:32 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13671; Mon, 30 Oct 95 00:41:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from sun4nl.NL.net by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13665; Mon, 30 Oct 95 00:41:43 -0800 Received: from ciint by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA06596 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 09:41:38 +0100 Received: from pulsar by ciint.ciint.nl id aa11012; 30 Oct 95 9:30 WET Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 09:28:27 +0100 (WET) From: Richard Gering To: Curtis Ockerman Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine and MMDF In-Reply-To: <46jr9o$ht8@xanadu.simplot.COM> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On 24 Oct 1995, Curtis Ockerman wrote: > I have the same question as Frederick. Does PINE work with MMDF and > I'll go a bit further and ask does PINE work under SCO UNIX setup with > mmdf?????? > > > Thanks Curtis J. Ockerman > (ockerman@simplot.com) > > Well... I'm typing this message from my MMDF configured SCO machine. Convinced? ;-) Best regards, - Richard Gering. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Richard Gering (rgering@ciint.nl) | ...at a time when men were REAL men and | | CI International B.V. | wrote their own device drivers (Linus) | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 30 02:25:05 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18950; Mon, 30 Oct 95 02:25:05 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17125; Mon, 30 Oct 95 02:15:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17119; Mon, 30 Oct 95 02:15:22 -0800 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 10:12:58 +0000 Received: by tower.york.ac.uk (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/940406.SGI) id KAA09042; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 10:13:09 GMT Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 10:13:09 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Brudenell To: "0000-Admin(0000)" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine takes REALLY long to connect In-Reply-To: <46s2pm$spl@bud.shadow.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Pine first tries to use "rsh" to make a pre-authenticated connection to your IMAP host (so you can have Pine start automatically without having to enter your username and password each time). The delay you are experiencing is almost certainly because Pine is attempting this, but your IMAP server is not set up to allow it. The easiest solution (certainly for the users) is to set this up. This is done very simply: 1. On the IMAP server make a link from /etc/rimapd to your imapd executable (and make sure the latter has at least x access to group and others). 2. Next do whatever you need to get your IMAP server machine to trust your other hosts so that the rsh mechanism works (either each user has to set up a .rhosts file, or the administrator sets up a hosts.equiv file). Note that this would allow any user to rsh to the server and do anything, so if it is intended only as an IMAP server you may like to write a little shell replacement (for the password file entries) to only allow /etc/rimapd to be executed (this is the solution we went for here). If you don't want to do this, then simply stick the explicit port number onto the end of your IMAP mail folder command within Pine's Setup Configuration screen (or weherever). Eg, {imap.my.site:143}INBOX Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Tel: +44-1904-433811 FAX: +44-1904-433740 http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/ On 28 Oct 1995, 0000-Admin(0000) wrote: > I am running Pine on one machine, and on another one the SMTP server. It takes > about a minute for pine to even ask me the userid and password. Is there a way > to make connecting to the SMTP server faster. Please help... > > Thanks in advance, > Mike > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 30 02:39:19 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19230; Mon, 30 Oct 95 02:39:19 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15305; Mon, 30 Oct 95 02:30:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15289; Mon, 30 Oct 95 02:29:53 -0800 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 10:28:05 +0000 Received: by tower.york.ac.uk (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/940406.SGI) id KAA11735; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 10:28:57 GMT Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 10:28:57 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Brudenell To: Mark Crispin Cc: pine-info@CAC.Washington.EDU Subject: Re: Spreading IMAP loading on one mailhub... In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Mark's question about Sendmail's ".lock" file locking begs me to ask a question which has been troubling me vaguely for some time now... We are using Silicon Graphics kit, running IRIX. This offers three types of file locking calls: flock; lockf; fcntl. Pine/imapd uses some subset of these to take out locks on the mail folders (either directly, or on an intermediate temporary file, I forget which). As far as I can tell from our sednmail man page sendmail *only* uses .lock file locking (creation of a file called username.lock in the /var/mail directory to lock the username file). Pine/imapd will try and create such a file, but only if it has write access to the /var/mail directory. We access mail via an IMAP server running on a machine with a locally mounted mail store disk (ie, no NFS involved). However we cannot give everyone write access to the /var/mail directory, otherwise Undergraduates, being Undergraduates, will start misusing the area. Am I right in saying, therefore, that we potentially have a window where Pine/imapd *can* conflict with sendmail's delivery? And if so, how can it be resolved? Other mailers (eg, Elm) run set-group to mail so that the software can create the necessary .lock files. However I have never seen anything indicating the Pine or imapd CAN be run like this safely, and various notes from users and the authors saying that it SHOULDN'T be run like this. So what's the lowdown, please? Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Tel: +44-1904-433811 FAX: +44-1904-433740 http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/ On Fri, 27 Oct 1995, Mark Crispin wrote: > On 27 Oct 1995, Adam Bentley wrote: > > The problem as always is file locking. If my 8.6.12 sendmail is writing > > to a user mailbox as an IMAPD on another host is doing something, the > > mailbox is gonna get trashed. > > Why do you think that this would be the case? Sendmail should be using > the .lock file locking which works even over NFS. [Not that I recommend > using NFS -- I don't. It is always worse than local file access.] > > -- Mark -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 30 02:51:11 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19456; Mon, 30 Oct 95 02:51:11 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17454; Mon, 30 Oct 95 02:43:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from hkusua.hku.hk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17448; Mon, 30 Oct 95 02:43:40 -0800 Received: by hkusua.hku.hk (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA26763; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 18:01:00 +0800 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 18:00:59 +0800 (HKT) From: Wang Grace Tanya To: pine Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 386 Status: O X-Status: How do I save my e-mail from pine which I read on a power mac 8100 through a telnet link to a powerbook 180? If I can save it to a disk and then load it onto my powerbook that would be fine as well but I can't seem to figure out how to copy a folder of saved mail. Do I need to copy each message separately but cutting and pasting or is there an easier way to do things? HELP! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 30 06:51:49 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24956; Mon, 30 Oct 95 06:51:49 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18734; Mon, 30 Oct 95 06:38:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18728; Mon, 30 Oct 95 06:38:07 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t9vFj-00038HC; Mon, 30 Oct 95 06:31 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: s1185659@rsrz14.HRZ.Uni-Marburg.DE (Jason Truesdell) Subject: Mangling Foreign Charsets? Date: 30 Oct 1995 14:12:56 GMT Message-Id: <472mh8$7j0@surz03.HRZ.Uni-Marburg.DE> Status: O X-Status: Does pine mangle foreign charsets, i.e. jis/new-jis? I was having few or no problems bringing jis-formatted (not shift-jis) into my japanese text editor when I was doing it via a popmail client, but I've been having difficulties since I started using pine again and ftp-ing the stuff to the machine I'm on. One time I had problems after I read the message in Pine and then retrieved it via popmail. I have used the "export" option to save the document into my home directory, then I used ftp. Is there a way to keep pine from mangling my mail, and can I rescue the things I've been sent already? -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jason Truesdell | (phone) +49 (6421) 682 564 Geschw.-Scholl-Strasse 11/101 | (email) 35039 Marburg GERMANY | http://stud-mailer.uni-marburg.de/~s1185659 * So Many Revolutions, So Little Time * From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 30 07:08:59 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25517; Mon, 30 Oct 95 07:08:59 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19085; Mon, 30 Oct 95 07:02:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19079; Mon, 30 Oct 95 07:02:20 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t9vdx-00038HC; Mon, 30 Oct 95 06:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Ginny Short Subject: Re: Signature Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 23:14:43 -0600 Message-Id: References: <46tuf4$d4t@cnct.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <46tuf4$d4t@cnct.com> Status: O X-Status: On 28 Oct 1995, Cassady Kent wrote: > Mark A. Wille (mwille@mcs.net) wrote: > : I have a question. In pine, how can you create a signature? Thank you > : very much. > > Put whatever you want in a file named .signature (the initial dot is > required) in your home directory. That works 99% of the time. If it > doesn't, check your setup configuration menu within pine. > Please give me more details in creating a signature. How do you access the file from Pine to create the signature? ginny short From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 30 07:10:49 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25639; Mon, 30 Oct 95 07:10:49 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21267; Mon, 30 Oct 95 07:02:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21261; Mon, 30 Oct 95 07:02:17 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t9vdx-00038DC; Mon, 30 Oct 95 06:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Michael J. Weiss" Subject: How To Change From: Field in Header Date: 30 Oct 1995 08:18:19 GMT Message-Id: <4721ob$d3u@cocoa.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: Hi, I usually send email from several accounts. I would like all outgoing messages sent with Pine to appear as if they were sent from my email alias, mjw@pobox.com. How can I do this? Thanks, Mike From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 30 07:16:29 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25794; Mon, 30 Oct 95 07:16:29 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21335; Mon, 30 Oct 95 07:06:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21329; Mon, 30 Oct 95 07:06:03 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t9vkj-00038DC; Mon, 30 Oct 95 07:03 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul Weber Subject: Help with sendmail Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 09:54:13 -0500 Message-Id: <3094E714.41C67EA6@ee.cornell.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: We have setup a central mail server and we are using pine to read and send mail. Also, we have all the MX records set to our central mail server. However, there are those who still want to use mail to send out mail messages from their local computers. When using pine/imapd all the mail gets delivered correctly from our central server. However, when sending mail from the local computers with mail it bounces because it tries to deliver the mail to the user@local computer instead of the central mail server. I'm not a sendmail expert so my question is this. Is there a way to make the local computers deliver the mail to the central server? MX works, but not all the time. Is it posible to force sendmail to put the name of the central server in the from line, so it would look like user_id@central_server Any help would be greatly appreciated!!! Paul ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ Paul R. Weber ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ Computer Operations Manager II ~ ~ 301 Phillips Hall ~ ~ Electrical Engineering ~ ~ Cornell University ~ ~ Ithaca, NY 14853-6401 ~ ~ ~ ~ E-mail: prw1@cornell.edu ~ ~ Phone: (607) 255-1460 ~ ~ Fax: (607) 254-4565 ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 30 07:47:22 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26696; Mon, 30 Oct 95 07:47:22 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19630; Mon, 30 Oct 95 07:36:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19623; Mon, 30 Oct 95 07:36:07 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t9wBb-00038DC; Mon, 30 Oct 95 07:31 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: BOUDA Subject: Forward mail Date: 30 Oct 1995 08:03:49 GMT Message-Id: <4720t5$2ed@misc.twics.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: How do you forward mail to another email address, so that mail sent to my email address will go my other email address? Thank you in advance. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 30 08:43:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29319; Mon, 30 Oct 95 08:43:20 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23124; Mon, 30 Oct 95 08:31:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23118; Mon, 30 Oct 95 08:31:13 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t9x5l-00038DC; Mon, 30 Oct 95 08:29 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jgvd@guava.epix.net (Jonathan and DearOldDad) Subject: Re: Signature Date: 30 Oct 1995 12:53:37 GMT Message-Id: <472hsh$um@guava.epix.net> References: Status: O X-Status: Mark A. Wille (mwille@mcs.net) wrote: : I realize this, but I just don't understand the procedure to go about : this. Thank you. : On Sat, 28 Oct 1995, Dayong Liu wrote: : > On Fri, 27 Oct 1995, Mark A. Wille wrote: : > > I have a question. In pine, how can you create a signature? Thank you : > > very much. : > Just produce a .signature file in your home directory, in Unix. With any text editor (pico would be the easiest if 'yer a novice) type whatever you want your signature to say, then save it as filename '.signature'. You don't do it while you're in the PINE program; From a unix prompt type 'pico' press enter, you should be on a blank page, start typing. Hope this helps. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 30 08:45:05 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29384; Mon, 30 Oct 95 08:45:05 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23265; Mon, 30 Oct 95 08:37:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23259; Mon, 30 Oct 95 08:37:33 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t9x7A-00038IC; Mon, 30 Oct 95 08:31 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jgvd@guava.epix.net (Jonathan and DearOldDad) Subject: Re: Posting to multiple newsgroups Date: 30 Oct 1995 12:41:14 GMT Message-Id: <472h5a$um@guava.epix.net> References: Status: O X-Status: Alice in Wonderland (plato@quack.kfu.com) wrote: : For some reason Pine doesn't seem to work when I try to post to more than : one newsgroup at a time. I could not find any specific on-line help with : this. What is the proper way to separate the newsgroup names? With a : comma, a comma and a space, or what? A comma ... but remember it's very bad usenet form to post the same message to more than one group unless there is a very compelling reason to do so ... it's called a SPAM. Hope this helps. G'Day. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 30 08:48:57 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29653; Mon, 30 Oct 95 08:48:57 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23273; Mon, 30 Oct 95 08:37:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23267; Mon, 30 Oct 95 08:37:36 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t9x7C-00038DC; Mon, 30 Oct 95 08:31 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jgvd@guava.epix.net (Jonathan and DearOldDad) Subject: Re: Text files Date: 30 Oct 1995 12:45:04 GMT Message-Id: <472hcg$um@guava.epix.net> References: Status: O X-Status: Mark A. Wille (mwille@mcs.net) wrote: ... in part ... : I have a question. How do you insert a text file into a message? try ^R (control+r) then type the filename or if you don't remember the filename ^T (control+t) will bring up a list of files. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 30 08:51:24 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29793; Mon, 30 Oct 95 08:51:24 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23257; Mon, 30 Oct 95 08:37:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23251; Mon, 30 Oct 95 08:37:30 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t9x79-00038HC; Mon, 30 Oct 95 08:31 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Sergei Senin Subject: Re: Forward mail Date: 30 Oct 1995 12:27:58 GMT Message-Id: <472gce$j00@rs3.rz.uni-hohenheim.de> References: <4720t5$2ed@misc.twics.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: Make a .forward file in your $HOME directory: !whoever@somewhere.net -- S.S. University of Portsmouth Department of Electrical and Electronic Engineering Microwave, Telecommunications and Signal Processing Research Group From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 30 09:11:22 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01258; Mon, 30 Oct 95 09:11:22 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23968; Mon, 30 Oct 95 09:01:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23962; Mon, 30 Oct 95 09:01:24 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t9xXU-00038HC; Mon, 30 Oct 95 08:58 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jgvd@guava.epix.net (Jonathan and DearOldDad) Subject: How to make a SIGNATURE - faq Date: 30 Oct 1995 13:24:31 GMT Message-Id: <472jmf$3cb@guava.epix.net> Status: RO X-Status: The 'How do I make a sigature?' question gets asked several times a week in this group. The FAQ for that is available dozens of places on the net. The easiest ones to access are: Hypertext version: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/ signature_finger_faq/faq.html Text version: ftp://ftp.halcyon.com/pub/ii/internet/signature_finger_faq.txt These sites also contain answers to a least half of the other questions asked in this group. I hope this helps. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 30 09:34:43 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02166; Mon, 30 Oct 95 09:34:43 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22454; Mon, 30 Oct 95 09:26:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22448; Mon, 30 Oct 95 09:26:29 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t9xvZ-00038EC; Mon, 30 Oct 95 09:23 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Sven Guckes Subject: Re: Storing folders as gzipped. Date: 30 Oct 95 15:35:21 GMT Message-Id: References: <46gdks$9lp@wn1.sci.kun.nl> <46lu82$1bh@newdelph.rtsg.mot.com> Status: O X-Status: kadow@komondor.cig.mot.com (Kevin Kadow) writes: >[...] Then the files can be uncompressed into memory, [...] >This means that the uncompressed form of the folder need never be stored >on the drive, and that appending messages to a folder will NOT require >recompressing the entire folder, unless you want optimal compression. Oh, this is soooo great! No problem then to keep 4MB+ folders in memory. Please send me some money so I can buy some RAM to keep my 20MB mail log in the memory. Yes, I'd have to uncompress most of them before I can use them. >Some rudimentary folder locking will be necessary to prevent having one or two >messages corrupted if(when) two processes attempt to write to the same file. "rudimentary", eh? So - which one do you suggest? Sven [here we go again...] Cc: kadow@komondor.cig.mot.com (Kevin Kadow) -- http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/.signature From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 30 10:11:27 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04461; Mon, 30 Oct 95 10:11:27 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26059; Mon, 30 Oct 95 10:02:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from news.pacifier.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26053; Mon, 30 Oct 95 10:02:07 -0800 Received: from bart by news.pacifier.com with uucp for cac.washington.edu!pine-info (Linux Smail3.1.29.1 #30) id m0t9yX5-0009BnC; Mon, 30 Oct 95 10:02 PST Received: from bart.wfsg.com by bart.wfsg.com id aa20678; 30 Oct 95 9:40 PST Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 09:40:27 -0800 (PST) From: Dave Hansen To: Curtis Ockerman Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine and MMDF In-Reply-To: <46jr9o$ht8@xanadu.simplot.COM> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I'm using Pine on a SCO box running MMDF. I can't get much help w/MMDF but it works. -Dave Hansen dave@wfsg.com On 24 Oct 1995, Curtis Ockerman wrote: > I have the same question as Frederick. Does PINE work with MMDF and > I'll go a bit further and ask does PINE work under SCO UNIX setup with > mmdf?????? > > > Thanks Curtis J. Ockerman > (ockerman@simplot.com) > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 30 10:49:17 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06403; Mon, 30 Oct 95 10:49:17 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24665; Mon, 30 Oct 95 10:43:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24659; Mon, 30 Oct 95 10:43:04 -0800 Received: from localhost by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09519; Mon, 30 Oct 95 10:43:01 -0800 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 10:42:56 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller To: Don Meyers Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Printing the Index In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: Not in Pine 3.91, but there will be in Pine 3.92... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 27 Oct 1995, Don Meyers wrote: > Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 14:36:25 -0700 > From: Don Meyers > To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu > Subject: Printing the Index > > I access Pine through my shell account at my ISP using Terminal in WIN > 3.1. Is there a way to print the index to a given mail or Usenet group > by other than doing successive screen prints? > > Thanks for your help. > > _________________________________________________ > : Don Meyers & Kathi Ploeger : > : Seattle, Washington USA 206-789-2678 : > : /\_/\ /\_/\ /\_/\ : > : ( o.* ) ( o.o ) ( o.o ) : > :__ > ~ < _________ > + < ___________ > ~ < ____: > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 30 10:50:26 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06483; Mon, 30 Oct 95 10:50:26 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27028; Mon, 30 Oct 95 10:38:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27022; Mon, 30 Oct 95 10:38:25 -0800 Received: from localhost by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09333; Mon, 30 Oct 95 10:38:15 -0800 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 10:38:13 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller To: Neil Schwartzman Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Moving Messages In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hmmm... Pine should be able to save to the INBOX without problem. It seems like there were some old versions that had problems, but it should work in 3.91... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 24 Oct 1995, Neil Schwartzman wrote: > Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 16:23:46 -0400 > From: Neil Schwartzman > To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu > Subject: Re: Moving Messages > > In article , > Concert@alcor.concordia.ca (Neil Schwartzman) wrote: > > > For a number of reasons, I moved 50 or so messages from my inbox to "saved > > messages" in Pine. > > > > Now, I would like to move them back to the inbox and download them via a > > POP client. > > > > However, when ever I use the "save" command, I am prompted for a folder > > name, I duly enter "INBOX" and it tells me the folder does not exist, and > > would I like to create it. The "list folder" function idicates the inbox > > is indeed in existance, and the ^T (to folders) function in the save > > dialogue indicates the same thing. > > > > In fact, this protocol would be a good thing to learn so that I can also > > download my sent messages. > > > > Ouch! Bad protocol to answer one's own post, but I gotta share my > work-around, or solution (I am not sure which): > > I ftp'ed the two files, "saved messages" and "sent mail" from the > mainframe (Alcor). Then, I used MailConverter 2.0 to translate the files > into Eudora readable folders, then dropped them into the Eudora folder in > the system. > > It worked seemlessly. :-) > > I would till be curious as to how to manipulate such things in Pine, just > not so desperately so! > > -- > Neil Schwartzman, Manager, > Concert Hall, Concordia University > 7141 Sherbrooke West, L-RF326 > Montreal, Quebec, Canada H4B 1R6 > Concert Info Line: (514) 848-7928 > Fax: 848-2808 > E-mail: Concert@Alcor.Concordia.ca > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 30 10:53:27 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06681; Mon, 30 Oct 95 10:53:27 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24730; Mon, 30 Oct 95 10:46:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24723; Mon, 30 Oct 95 10:46:14 -0800 Received: from localhost by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09581; Mon, 30 Oct 95 10:46:02 -0800 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 10:46:00 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller To: cravenja@cleo.bc.edu Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine Source code In-Reply-To: <471d1a$ffb@delphi.bc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pine.tar.Z |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Mon, 30 Oct 1995 cravenja@cleo.bc.edu wrote: > Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 02:26:26 GMT > From: cravenja@cleo.bc.edu > To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu > Subject: Pine Source code > > Does anyone know where I can get the Pine source? I am trying to > recompile it and I was wondering if there is an FTP site or something > where I can get it?? > John Craven > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 30 11:41:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09313; Mon, 30 Oct 95 11:41:06 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28542; Mon, 30 Oct 95 11:31:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28536; Mon, 30 Oct 95 11:31:34 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t9zt3-00038DC; Mon, 30 Oct 95 11:28 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jgvd@guava.epix.net (Jonathan and DearOldDad) Subject: Re: Moving Messages Date: 30 Oct 1995 18:53:34 GMT Message-Id: <4736ve$frg@guava.epix.net> References: Status: O X-Status: David L Miller (dlm@cac.washington.edu) wrote: : Hmmm... Pine should be able to save to the INBOX without problem. It : seems like there were some old versions that had problems, but it : should work in 3.91... Nope, doesna work ... I get the same thing that 'Concert' gets. John (aka DearOldDad) : > In article , : > Concert@alcor.concordia.ca (Neil Schwartzman) wrote: : > > However, when ever I use the "save" command, I am prompted for a folder : > > name, I duly enter "INBOX" and it tells me the folder does not exist, and : > > would I like to create it. The "list folder" function idicates the inbox : > > is indeed in existance, and the ^T (to folders) function in the save : > > dialogue indicates the same thing. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 30 11:55:55 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10005; Mon, 30 Oct 95 11:55:55 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29098; Mon, 30 Oct 95 11:50:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from asl-labs.bc.ca by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29088; Mon, 30 Oct 95 11:50:02 -0800 Received: by asl3.asl-labs.bc.ca (5.4R3.10/200.2.1.5) id AA18061; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 11:49:56 -0800 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 11:49:55 -0800 (PST) From: "Brian P. Hampson" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Moving Messages In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 30 Oct 1995, David L Miller wrote: > Hmmm... Pine should be able to save to the INBOX without problem. It > seems like there were some old versions that had problems, but it > should work in 3.91... > > > > > For a number of reasons, I moved 50 or so messages from my inbox to "saved > > > messages" in Pine. You can move to INBOX only by going to the folder list and hitting ENTER on the INBOX. Otherwise you are in a different folder collection, and won't let you do that. This, I believe, was his problem. B. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Brian P. Hampson Internet: brian@asl-labs.bc.ca | |System Administrator, | |Analytical Service Labs Fidonet : Brian Hampson 1:153/733 | |Vancouver, BC | |+604-253-4188 | | Specialists in Environmental Chemistry | | | ------------------http://www.asl-labs.bc.ca/---------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 30 12:34:36 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11978; Mon, 30 Oct 95 12:34:36 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27437; Mon, 30 Oct 95 12:28:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tomobiki-cho.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27430; Mon, 30 Oct 95 12:28:47 -0800 Received: from UW-Gateway.Panda.COM by Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA12570; Mon, 30 Oct 95 12:28:37 -0800 Received: from localhost by Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (NX5.67e/UW-NDC/Panda Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA10228; Mon, 30 Oct 95 12:28:13 -0800 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 11:55:31 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Spreading IMAP loading on one mailhub... To: Mike Brudenell Cc: pine-info@CAC.Washington.EDU In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 30 Oct 1995 10:28:57 +0000 (GMT), Mike Brudenell wrote: > We are using Silicon Graphics kit, running IRIX. This offers three types > of file locking calls: flock; lockf; fcntl. I am certain that upon further examination, you will find that lockf() is not a system call, but rather a subroutine that invokes fcntl(). Furthermore, I'm willing to bet that you will find that flock() is not implemented as a system call, but rather is emulated by BSD compatibility and actually does fcntl(). lockf() is so simple just about any locking system call can implement it. For the most part, fcntl() can be used to emulate flock() except for two very serious bugs in fcntl(): 1) If you do an open() on a file that you have already open and locked the lock gets blown away. 2) fcntl() tries to work over NFS via the rpc.lockd/rpc.statd daemons, but this mechanism doesn't work worth a damn. > Pine/imapd uses some subset > of these to take out locks on the mail folders (either directly, or on an > intermediate temporary file, I forget which). Both lock files and flock() are used in the Pine code, with the necessary action taken to emulate flock() through fcntl() for those poor unfortunates who were suckered into buying SysV ("consider it standard") systems. > As far as I can tell from our sednmail man page sendmail *only* uses > .lock file locking (creation of a file called username.lock in the > /var/mail directory to lock the username file). Actually, it's done by /bin/mail (which is what sendmail usually invokes to deliver mail -- look at the Mlocal line in your sendmail.cf). But yes, it is true that on almost all implementations of /bin/mail, only .lock file locking is done. This is alright; .lock file locking is exclusive which is what mail delivery needs. The only problem with .lock file locking is if the locker neglects to remove the file, you'll have a stuck lock (hence you need timeouts when seeing that a file is .lock locked against you). > Pine/imapd will try and create such a file, but only if it has write > access to the /var/mail directory. This is true. > We access mail via an IMAP server running on a machine with a locally > mounted mail store disk (ie, no NFS involved). However we cannot give > everyone write access to the /var/mail directory, otherwise > Undergraduates, being Undergraduates, will start misusing the area. You should look into the proper setting of the "sticky" bit on /var/mail. If you have this set properly, you should not have the abuse problems. You aren't the only site that has ill-advisedly turned off write access to the mail spool. You shouldn't do this unless you change /bin/mail to use flock() style locking. But you can't do that over NFS. > Am I right in saying, therefore, that we potentially have a window where > Pine/imapd *can* conflict with sendmail's delivery? Absolutely so. If you give the software no way to lock, you can't expect it to lock! > And if so, how can it be resolved? Basically, you have a bad configuration, and you need to change something to correct it. One possible solution -- assuming you can get away with it -- is to remove NFS access to /var/mail, and force all access to be via IMAP. Tell the partisans of Elm, etc., to fix their software to support IMAP. Other, less brutal, solutions include setting the sticky bit correctly (which fixes the mail security problems). If undergrads use /var/mail as a scratch file area, perhaps your real problem is that you don't give them enough disk quota and/or enough scratch file area on /tmp (or wherever) and you should resolve that. > Other mailers (eg, Elm) run set-group > to mail so that the software can create the necessary .lock files. And from time to time there are various security problems which pop up with mailers that are given privileges. Sometimes it is disasterous, such as the infamous movemail security bug (granted, that guy was setuid root). It was a design feature from the very beginning that Pine/imapd would *not* require privileges. > However I have never seen anything indicating the Pine or imapd CAN be > run like this safely, and various notes from users and the authors saying > that it SHOULDN'T be run like this. That's right. The UNIX world is filled with people who think that the solution to any access problem is to make software run privileged. Without a doubt, the setuid and setgid bits on files was one of the worst design decisions made in UNIX from a security standpoint. This is what makes UNIX so delightful to every net.brat on the planet (and is why "secure" versions of UNIX disable setuid and setgid files), since any vulnerability in any piece of software can be used to break in. Sometimes you need a cascade of vulnerability, such as subverting one program to create data in a secure place that will be read by another program with higher privileges but trusts that lower-level data. You need to think in a different paradigm, which is "how can users do what they want to do without requiring privileges?" Or another way, suppose the only software you supply is the shell and C compiler, how can users do what they want to do if they have to write all the software? By creating a "mail" user group, you essentially make the writing of MUAs be a privileged operation. If you don't want to provide access through the normal filesystem calls, then you have to provide access through other means. One such means is POP and IMAP. Another such means is to implement a new system call that will let unprivileged users do what they need to do. Or, you need to separate the real threat (shanghaied mail files) from what is essentially a non-threat (anyone can make a file in /var/mail). The sticky bit does most of what is needed. You can also make /bin/mail (or whatever delivers mail on your system) be much more cautious about what it will deliver mail to (this is done in most newer implementations) to catch a shanghai after the fact. The remaining problems are then in the noise. Yes, a brat could create a false .lock file, but he'll need to do that every 5 minutes in order for his harassment to have effect, and it's easy to catch the responsible party. Once caught, you have a social, not a technical problem. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 30 13:06:24 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13872; Mon, 30 Oct 95 13:06:24 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28100; Mon, 30 Oct 95 13:01:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28094; Mon, 30 Oct 95 13:01:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tA1Ij-00038DC; Mon, 30 Oct 95 12:59 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gs01mew@panther.Gsu.EDU (Eric Wardowski) Subject: Re: Screen size in Pine on Unix Date: 30 Oct 1995 14:22:10 GMT Message-Id: <472n2i$h75@sphinx.Gsu.EDU> References: <46te40$ln9@sphinx.Gsu.EDU> Status: O X-Status: Paul O Bartlett (pobart@access.digex.net) wrote: : On 28 Oct 1995, Eric Wardowski wrote: : > I am frustrated by the limit of Pico and Pine at only using 1/2 of my : > screen in Unix. I have "export LINES=42" in my startup file (which makes : > everything else including tin recognize 42 lines) but Pine and Pico still : > use only 23 or 24 lines. Is there a configuration option that I have : > overlooked? : Are you using some sort of PC, Mac, or Amiga (etc.) _and_ : communications software to login to your Unix account? I am, and I found : that I had to tell _both_ my shell and my comm software about the new : screen size. (Unfortunately, I still had a problem with Unix Pine, and : a posting I made here a few days ago has so far not been responded to.) Got an answer. I had to type "stty rows 42" to get the rest of the programs to recognize the screen size. As far as the rest, I run Procomm Plus 2.01 for DOS. I find that occasionally I have to type - to do a "Reset Terminal" in Procomm when Pine had set the terminal lines to 22 or 24. Now all works well! -- Eric Wardowski eric.ward@swsbbs.com (and other hot spots!) "You live and learn. Or you don't live long!" -- Lazarus Long From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 30 13:27:18 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15091; Mon, 30 Oct 95 13:27:18 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28922; Mon, 30 Oct 95 13:22:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from dcdsv0.fnal.gov by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28916; Mon, 30 Oct 95 13:21:58 -0800 Received: by dcdsv0.fnal.gov (950215.SGI.8.6.10/940406.SGI) id PAA23901; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 15:21:55 -0600 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 15:21:55 -0600 From: cmoseber@dcdsv0.fnal.gov (Clyde Moseberry) Message-Id: <199510302121.PAA23901@dcdsv0.fnal.gov> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: subscribe Cc: cmoseber@dcdsv0.fnal.gov Status: O X-Status: subscribe cmoseber@fnal.gov From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 30 13:32:08 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15362; Mon, 30 Oct 95 13:32:08 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01791; Mon, 30 Oct 95 13:26:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01785; Mon, 30 Oct 95 13:26:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tA1fQ-00038DC; Mon, 30 Oct 95 13:22 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jgvd@guava.epix.net (Jonathan and DearOldDad) Subject: Re: How to autoget news articles by mail Date: 30 Oct 1995 18:59:08 GMT Message-Id: <47379s$frg@guava.epix.net> References: <4717im$9o0@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> Status: O X-Status: xdxnn@datasrv.co.il wrote: : I was told there's some configuration option that allows you to get all : articles posted to a certain newsgroup directly to your mail box? : how do i do that? You have to 'subscribe' to a mail list. Check out the following URL: http://www.NeoSoft.com/internet/paml/index.html Hope this helps. G'Day. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 30 14:29:57 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18457; Mon, 30 Oct 95 14:29:57 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00724; Mon, 30 Oct 95 14:22:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00718; Mon, 30 Oct 95 14:21:59 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tA2W1-00038DC; Mon, 30 Oct 95 14:17 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Matteo Mainetti Subject: changing sort key in sent-messages folder Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 16:09:40 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hi there, I've been trying to have the folder containing the messages I sent sorted upon receiver's name, in such a way that is much easier to retrieve a message. One solution that I don't like is keeping all sent messages in the same folder as the received ones. Another one is to create a copy of each folder containing the messages-sent-to-whomever Can anyone help me ? thanks. please reply to this adress. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 30 15:04:14 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20578; Mon, 30 Oct 95 15:04:14 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04465; Mon, 30 Oct 95 14:57:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04459; Mon, 30 Oct 95 14:57:04 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tA35X-00038DC; Mon, 30 Oct 95 14:53 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: qq11@liverpool.ac.uk (Alan Thew) Subject: Re: Spreading IMAP loading on one mailhub... Message-Id: References: <46qg87$2g9@leofric.coventry.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 19:49:45 GMT Status: O X-Status: Has anyone done this with say > 15,000 users? Thanks -- Alan Thew alan.thew@liv.ac.uk ...!uknet!liv!alan.thew Tel: +44 151 794-4497 University of Liverpool, Computing Services Fax: +44 151 794-4442 On Fri, 27 Oct 1995 23:30:49 -0700 , Terry Gray (gray@cac.washington.edu) wrote: : On 27 Oct 1995, Adam Bentley wrote: : > My problem is I really need to spread the load of my IMAP users... : Adam, : The way I would approach this problem is as follows... : Goals: : o Want to use IMAP and avoid NFS for performance and locking reasons. : o Need multiple IMAP servers for scalability. : o Want to preserve single email domain view. : Need: : o An algorithm *OR* a database for mapping usernames : into the name or cname of a mail server. : o An MX mail forwarder for the email domain that uses the above algorithm : or database. (We use sendmail as the MTA). : o A DNS server for the email domain that uses the above algorithm or : database. : Configuration: : o Clients are configured (using Pine terminology) to have an : inbox-path=.email.coventry.ac.uk : e.g. : inbox-path=ccx009.email.coventry.ac.uk : The customized DNS server for email.coventry.ac.uk would then return the : IP address of the mail server for user ccx009. : Because MX routing allows load sharing across multiple mail forwarders and : the the modified sendmail on the MX hosts and DNS servers allow use of : multiple mail servers, I believe this model could be scaled to support : very large numbers of users, on the order of hundreds of thousands, : though I/O (esp. seek) bandwidth probably limits each server to around 200 : concurrent sessions. : -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 30 15:24:07 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21704; Mon, 30 Oct 95 15:24:07 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02354; Mon, 30 Oct 95 15:17:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02348; Mon, 30 Oct 95 15:17:06 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tA3OD-00038DC; Mon, 30 Oct 95 15:13 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: harmonr@coho.halcyon.com (Robert Harmon) Subject: >> Need PC Pine help << Date: 30 Oct 1995 20:03:46 GMT Message-Id: <473b32$o9@news1.halcyon.com> Status: O X-Status: I'm trying to setup PC Pine 3.91 for my daughter. She needs to use Pine rather than our current Winsock mail program (Pegasus) because Pine is the program used by our school district and she doesn't want to get confused (she's a newbie). The problems I'm having seem to center around the SMTP settings & PC PINE not locating my INBOX. I'm including my PINERC configuration file hoping someone can point out my mistakes. TIA Robert Harmon (Robert_Harmon@halcyon.com) CHRIS HARMON & ASSOCIATES, Management & Training Consultants Post Office Box 2756 - Kirkland, Washington 98083-2756 Ph: 206_814-3204 Fax: 206_820-4807 E-Mail: harmonr@halcyon.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ PC PINE configuration file follows (sans comments) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ########################### Essential Parameters ########################### personal-name=Robert Harmon user-id=harmonr user-domain=halcyon.com smtp-server= nntp-server=news.halcyon.com inbox-path= ###################### Collections, Folders, and Files ##################### incoming-folders= folder-collections= news-collections= default-fcc=d:\internet\pine\folders\sentmail postponed=d:\internet\pine\folders\postpone read-message-folder=d:\internet\pine\folders\readmail signature-file=d:\data\phone\sig_pers.sig global-address-book="" address-book=d:\internet\pine\addrbook ############################### Preferences ################################ feature-list=assume-slow-link, expunge-without-confirm, include-text-in-reply, news-approximates-new-status, news-post-without-validation, news-read-in-newsrc-order, signature-at-bottom initial-keystroke-list= default-composer-hdrs= customized-hdrs= saved-msg-name-rule=d:\internet\pine\folders\savemail fcc-name-rule= sort-key=Arrival/Reverse addrbook-sort-rule=nickname-with-lists-last character-set= editor=d:\internet\pine\pico.exe image-viewer=d:\psp_30\psp.exe use-only-domain-name= ########## Set within or by Pine: No need to edit below this line ########## printer= personal-print-command= last-time-prune-questioned=95.10 last-version-used=3.91 newsrc-path=d:\data\phone\newsrc folder-extension=txt normal-foreground-color=black normal-background-color=white reverse-foreground-color=black reverse-background-color=yellow font-name="" font-size=-9 font-style="" window-position=78x36+-2+-1 postponed-folder=d:\internet\pine\folders\postpone From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 30 15:50:35 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23034; Mon, 30 Oct 95 15:50:35 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05914; Mon, 30 Oct 95 15:42:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05908; Mon, 30 Oct 95 15:42:19 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tA3ny-00038DC; Mon, 30 Oct 95 15:39 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: xmas@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Mark A. Stevens) Subject: Re: Spreading IMAP loading on one mailhub... Date: 30 Oct 1995 14:31:53 -0600 Message-Id: <473cnp$366@ecom3.ecn.bgu.edu> References: <46qg87$2g9@leofric.coventry.ac.uk> Status: O X-Status: In article , Terry Gray wrote: > >On 27 Oct 1995, Adam Bentley wrote: > >> My problem is I really need to spread the load of my IMAP users... > >Adam, >The way I would approach this problem is as follows... >... We spread the load of all of our e-mail users on (now) 6 UNIX boxes. Users log on or telnet, etc. to these machines, but the mail server is a machine they do not log on to. We have a script that tests the load of the 'ecom' boxes to allow a user to log on to the one with the lightest load and their files are available regardless of the machine, via NFS mounting. The user's files live on one of two machines that only (sort of) serve files via NFS. All mail goes to and comes from our uxa box, the user logs on to ecom? and files are on fsa or fsb. News is on another box. IHTH -- Mark A. Stevens Phone: 708-235-2204 Systems Programmer Internet: xmas@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu Educational Computing Network BITNET: XMAS@ECNUXA.BITNET Board of Governors Universities VMSHARE: ECE/MARK From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 30 16:02:59 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23455; Mon, 30 Oct 95 16:02:59 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03579; Mon, 30 Oct 95 15:57:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rmy.rmy.emory.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03569; Mon, 30 Oct 95 15:57:00 -0800 Received: from rmys3.rmy.emory.edu by rmy.rmy.emory.edu (5.65/Emory_rmy.3.4.0) via SMTP id AA28375 ; Mon, 30 Oct 95 18:56:59 -0500 Received: by rmys3.rmy.emory.edu.rmy (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12249; Mon, 30 Oct 95 18:56:10 EST Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 18:56:09 -0500 (EST) From: Daniel Wolf To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <473b32$o9@news1.halcyon.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: usubscribe From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 30 16:39:13 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26562; Mon, 30 Oct 95 16:39:13 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04684; Mon, 30 Oct 95 16:32:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04678; Mon, 30 Oct 95 16:32:17 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tA4bl-00038DC; Mon, 30 Oct 95 16:31 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Christian Labadie Subject: $MAILCAP and mailcap file Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 21:44:01 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I have a .mailcap file, which works great with Netscape to display PostScript documents. Pine does not seem to find this mailcap file; it is in my home directory: ~/.mailcap I have tried to define $MAILCAPS=:$HOME/.mailcap: , but that didn't do anygood. How should tell Pine that I have my own mailcap file ? Thanks, Christian Labadie From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 30 16:50:46 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27052; Mon, 30 Oct 95 16:50:46 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07646; Mon, 30 Oct 95 16:42:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07640; Mon, 30 Oct 95 16:42:19 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tA4ja-00038DC; Mon, 30 Oct 95 16:39 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Benoit Vanpoperinghe Subject: Bookmarks Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 21:11:21 +0000 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hello! Do anybody know how to save on a floppy disk the global and personnal addressbook? Can I use the same bookmark file for pine and netscape? Thank you. Benoit B.Vanpoperinghe@reading.ac.uk From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 30 17:09:47 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28358; Mon, 30 Oct 95 17:09:47 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05305; Mon, 30 Oct 95 17:02:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05299; Mon, 30 Oct 95 17:02:22 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tA54q-00038DC; Mon, 30 Oct 95 17:01 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rick@helix.nih.gov (Rick Troxel) Subject: Re: Getting Mail headers without mail prog??? In-Reply-To: tv@pobox.com's message of 25 Oct 1995 20: 16:20 -0700 Message-Id: References: <199510260247.AA069705627@sioux.eel.ufl.edu> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 21:33:41 GMT Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 25 Oct 1995, Automatic digest processor wrote: > Well, this looks at *all* lines which contain "From". > It should be "^From: ", though. > And even this does not skip "included non-quoted mails". > > So - could somebody give a better script? PERL, anyone? Since you've asked... Here's fromf, a script I use that has three levels of verbosity and some Tenex format support. (The Pine tech notes mention two formats; I only used the one I saw my Pine had created.) You'll want to modify the string identifying the default mailbox by pathname. Enjoy, -- Rick Troxel Rick_Troxel@nih.gov rick@helix.nih.gov 301/496-4824 /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// All effort and exertion put forth by man from the fullness of his heart is worship, if it is prompted by the highest motives and the will to do service to humanity. --Abdu'l-Baha #!/usr/local/bin/perl # # fromf: Like from, but takes a folder name as argument # Has some intelligence in choosing representative sender addresses # # -v option adds Date: and Subject: headers to report # -V option is same as -v with addition of Message-Id: headers # The string argument gives the name of mailbox file to peruse # -d option provides extra debugging output # Your choice of default mailbox filename goes here; do not use a tilde '~' $default = "/home/rick/mail.txt"; $usage = "Usage:\tfromf [-dVv] \n\tTerminating"; require 'getopts.pl'; # from the Perl library [/usr/local/lib/perl] &Getopts(':dVv'); if ( ($#ARGV == -1) && (-r $default) ) { @ARGV = ($default); } die $usage if $#ARGV != 0; exit(1) unless -e $ARGV[0]; # "die" silently for unfound file $opt_v = 1 if $opt_d; # debugging mode implies verbose $opt_v = 1 if $opt_V; # extra-verbose mode implies verbose $ll = `ls -l $ARGV[0]`; print " $ll"; # Determine whether filename is consistent with Tenex format (cf. pine.faq) @components = split(/\//, $ARGV[0]); $basename = pop(@components); if ($basename eq "mail.txt" || $basename eq "mail.TxT") { $tenex_name = 1; $tenex_delimiter = '^[ 123]\d-(Jan|Feb|Mar|Apr|May|Jun|Jul|Aug|Sep|Oct|Nov|Dec)-[12]\d{3} [012]\d:[0-5]\d:[0-5]\d -\d\d00,\d+;\d{12}$'; } while (<>) { # Determine whether first line is in Tenex format if ( ($. == 1) && ($tenex_name) ) { $tenex_format = /$tenex_delimiter/ ? 1 : 0; $blankline = 0; print "* LINE ONE blankline == 0\n" if $opt_d; $forwarded = 0; print "* LINE ONE forwarded == 0\n" if $opt_d; $news = 0; print "* LINE ONE news == 0\n" if $opt_d; $in_headers = 1; print "* LINE ONE in_headers == 1\n" if $opt_d; $fromline = ""; # lower priority sender address print "* LINE ONE no fromline\n" if $opt_d; $dateline = ""; # lower priority date print "* LINE ONE no dateline\n" if $opt_d; } if (/^$/) { if ($in_headers) { do { print $fromline; if ($opt_v) { print "\t$dateline" unless $dateline eq ''; print "\t$subjline" unless $subjline eq ''; if ($opt_V) { print "\t$id" unless $id eq ''; } } $in_headers = 0; print "* BLANK in_headers == 0\n" if $opt_d; $fromline = ''; # best return addr known in current msg print "* BLANK fromline == null\n" if $opt_d; $dateline = ''; # best known date print "* BLANK dateline == null\n" if $opt_d; $subjline = ''; # best known subject header print "* BLANK subjline == null\n" if $opt_d; $id = ''; # Message-Id print "* BLANK id == null\n" if $opt_d; $blankline = 1; # have encountered a blank line at hdr end print "* BLANK blankline == 1\n" if $opt_d; } unless $forwarded || $news; # we expect more headers } } if (/^Subject: /) { # Look for cues that forwarded headers will follow if ( (/^Subject: \[/) || (/^Subject: .*(fwd)/) ) { $forwarded = 1; print "* SUBJ FORW forwarded == 1\n" if $opt_d; $subjline = $_; # in case forwarder deleted the original hdrs print "* SUBJ FORW $subjline" if $opt_d; } else { $forwarded = 0; print "* SUBJ forwarded == 0\n" if $opt_d; $subjline = $_ if $in_headers || $forwarded || $news; print "**SUBJ $subjline" if $opt_d; } } # if (/^Date:/ && ($in_headers || $forwarded || $news)) { if (/^Date:/ && $in_headers && ! $realdate) { $dateline = $_; # preferred date header print "* DATE $dateline" if $opt_d; $realdate = 1; print "* DATE realdate == 1\n" if $opt_d; } if (/^Message-Id:/ && ($in_headers) && ($id eq '')) { $id = $_; print "* ID $id" if $opt_d; } if ( ! $tenex_format && (/^From / && ($blankline || ($. = 1))) ) { if ($in_headers) { # i.e. previous message body is empty # hence msg has not yet been reported print $fromline; if ($opt_v) { print "\t$dateline" unless $dateline eq ''; print "\t$subjline" unless $subjline eq ''; } } $blankline = 0; print "* UNIX FROM blankline == 0\n" if $opt_d; $forwarded = 0; print "* UNIX FROM forwarded == 0\n" if $opt_d; $news = 0; print "* UNIX FROM news == 0\n" if $opt_d; $in_headers = 1; print "* UNIX FROM in_headers == 1\n" if $opt_d; $fromline = $_; # lower priority sender address print "* UNIX FROM $fromline" if $opt_d; $dateline = $_; # lower priority date print "**UNIX FROM $dateline" if $opt_d; $realdate = 0; print "* UNIX FROM realdate == 0\n" if $opt_d; } if ( $tenex_format && /$tenex_delimiter/ ) { if ($in_headers) { # i.e. previous message body is empty # hence msg has not yet been reported print $fromline; if ($opt_v) { print "\t$dateline" unless $dateline eq ''; print "\t$subjline" unless $subjline eq ''; } } $blankline = 0; print "* TENEX blankline == 0\n" if $opt_d; $forwarded = 0; print "* TENEX forwarded == 0\n" if $opt_d; $news = 0; print "* TENEX news == 0\n" if $opt_d; $in_headers = 1; print "* TENEX in_headers == 1\n" if $opt_d; $fromline = ""; # lower priority sender address print "* TENEX no fromline\n" if $opt_d; $dateline = ""; # lower priority date print "* TENEX no dateline\n" if $opt_d; $realdate = 0; print "* TENEX realdate == 0\n" if $opt_d; } if (/^From: /) { if ($in_headers) { $fromline = $_; # preferred sender address print "**FROM $fromline" if $opt_d; if (/USENET|news/) { $news = 1; # expect more headers subsequently print "* FROM news == 1\n" if $opt_d; } else { $news = 0; print "* FROM news == 0\n" if $opt_d; } } } } # Input loop has ended; i.e. mailbox has been read in full # Only needed for Tenex format, as standard mbox format ends with a blank line if ($in_headers) { # i.e. final message body is empty # hence msg has not yet been reported print $fromline; if ($opt_v) { print "\t$dateline" unless $dateline eq ''; print "\t$subjline" unless $subjline eq ''; } } # Local variables: # mode:Perl # End: -- Rick Troxel Rick_Troxel@nih.gov rick@helix.nih.gov 301/496-4823 /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// All effort and exertion put forth by man from the fullness of his heart is worship, if it is prompted by the highest motives and the will to do service to humanity. --Abdu'l-Baha From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 30 18:12:27 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00150; Mon, 30 Oct 95 18:12:27 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09568; Mon, 30 Oct 95 18:07:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09562; Mon, 30 Oct 95 18:07:33 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tA64C-00038DC; Mon, 30 Oct 95 18:04 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Charlie Channel Subject: Question: Is Kill Possible in Pine? Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 13:53:01 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I'm getting undesired email and would like to kill it without ever reading it. Is there any way to do that in Pine? Thanks, c From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 30 18:17:35 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00371; Mon, 30 Oct 95 18:17:35 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06903; Mon, 30 Oct 95 18:12:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06897; Mon, 30 Oct 95 18:12:33 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tA68V-00038DC; Mon, 30 Oct 95 18:09 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Mark A. Wille" Subject: Re: Question Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 16:05:32 -0600 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: Thank you anyway... I think I will just talk to my system administer, Paul. ____________________________________________________________________________ _Mark A. Wille__________________To receive information on Christian _mwille@mcs.net_________________Information Systems, send a blank message to _Christian Information Systems__mwille@mcs.net with INFO-CIS as the subject ____________________________________________________________________________ On Sun, 29 Oct 1995, Paul O Bartlett wrote: > On Sat, 28 Oct 1995, Mark A. Wille wrote: > > > How does one upload a file to his/her directory, where then he/she can > > attach it? Thank you very much for your help. > > Unfortunately, there is no single answer to your question. It > depends on what operating system you are uploading from, what operating > system you are uploading to, and what software is available on each > system. You may have to provide more information about your setup. > > Paul > -------------------------------------------------- > Paul O. Bartlett > P. O. Box 857 Vienna, VA 22183-0857 U.S.A. > Finger, keyserver, or email for PGP 2.6 public key > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 30 18:38:30 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00897; Mon, 30 Oct 95 18:38:30 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10029; Mon, 30 Oct 95 18:32:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10023; Mon, 30 Oct 95 18:32:37 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tA6TA-00038DC; Mon, 30 Oct 95 18:30 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lbi@netcom.com (lux) Subject: Re: a different editor than pico? Message-Id: References: <46sjsb$8b5@cnct.com> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 00:52:46 GMT Status: O X-Status: Cassady Kent (mlck@cnct.com) wrote: : lux (lbi@netcom.com) wrote: : : How do I arrange to use a different edit inside pine (like emacs)? : : I see references to it being done in the faq I have from months ago, : : but it doesn't mention how you go about doing it. : You have to find the Editor = line in the configuration : menu. From the Main Menu within Pine, type s for setup, c for : configuration, and space down to the last page of the menu and select the : Editor = line. Okay, I did this. : When no value is set for the alternate editor, Pine uses Pico. Use the Add : Value command to change it to vi or emacs and maybe others for all I know. : At this point, Pine still uses Pico. You have to find the : enable-alternate-editor- lines on screen two of the configuration menu and : pick one. Enable-alternate-editor-cmd allows you to run emacs only when : you request it with the 'switch to alternate editor' command ^_. At first I left this unset. : Enable-alternate-editor-implicitly will run emacs automatically whenever : you compose or edit a letter. I set this, but still when I try to compose a letter pico comes up. I also tried this with enable-alternate-editor-cmd set and pico comes up. Did I miss something, or is there a way to use a different editor (implicity and without the C-_ command thing)? there is now a line in my .pinerc file which reads features-list=enable-alternate-editor-implicitly and another which reads editor=emacs but pico still gets used. Any ideas? thanks From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 30 20:27:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03598; Mon, 30 Oct 95 20:27:20 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08976; Mon, 30 Oct 95 20:22:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08970; Mon, 30 Oct 95 20:22:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tA8DX-00038DC; Mon, 30 Oct 95 20:22 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Yourname@somwhere.COM (Your Name) Subject: PINE for VMS ? Date: 30 Oct 1995 23:52:38 GMT Message-Id: <473og6$ghj@sparcserver.lrz-muenchen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Status: O X-Status: If anybody knows where to get a distibution of PINE for OpenVMS VAX or Alpha please contact me POSTMASTER@e15.physik.tu-muenchen.de THANKS From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 30 20:38:11 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03983; Mon, 30 Oct 95 20:38:11 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12052; Mon, 30 Oct 95 20:32:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12046; Mon, 30 Oct 95 20:32:52 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tA8J9-00038KC; Mon, 30 Oct 95 20:28 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jyetse@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Tse) Subject: Re: Send carbon Copy to multiple users... Message-Id: Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 03:07:32 GMT References: Status: O X-Status: In article , The Easy Rider wrote: >Use the Rich Header and put all the addressees in the bcc field. Then put >yourself in the to field. They will see a letter addressed from you to I tried this method. It doesn't quite work, due to a bug in Pine. This issue was brought up in this newgroup about 2 weeks ago. Although you put all the addresses in the BCC field, each of the recipients can still see other recipients' addresses by looking at the Apparently-To field (which can be launched by Rich Header). Eric -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-Life is a mess=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -= Eric Tse - jyetse@uwaterloo.ca - BL923@torfree.net =- -= http://www.undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca/~jyetse =- -=-=-=-=-=-=-I die a little more each day=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 30 20:42:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04065; Mon, 30 Oct 95 20:42:54 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09240; Mon, 30 Oct 95 20:37:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shivams.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09234; Mon, 30 Oct 95 20:37:17 -0800 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03973; Mon, 30 Oct 95 20:37:14 -0800 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 20:37:14 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: Robert Harmon Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: >> Need PC Pine help << In-Reply-To: <473b32$o9@news1.halcyon.com> Message-Id: Organization: University of Washington; Office of Computing & Communications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Robert, You are missing two critical entries: inbox-path={halcyon.com}inbox smtp-server=halcyon.com -teg On 30 Oct 1995, Robert Harmon wrote: > I'm trying to setup PC Pine 3.91 for my daughter. She needs to use Pine > rather than our current Winsock mail program (Pegasus) because Pine is > the program used by our school district and she doesn't want to get > confused (she's a newbie). > > The problems I'm having seem to center around the SMTP settings & PC PINE > not locating my INBOX. I'm including my PINERC configuration file hoping > someone can point out my mistakes. TIA > > Robert Harmon (Robert_Harmon@halcyon.com) > CHRIS HARMON & ASSOCIATES, Management & Training Consultants > Post Office Box 2756 - Kirkland, Washington 98083-2756 > Ph: 206_814-3204 Fax: 206_820-4807 E-Mail: harmonr@halcyon.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > PC PINE configuration file follows (sans comments) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ########################### Essential Parameters ########################### > > personal-name=Robert Harmon > > user-id=harmonr > > user-domain=halcyon.com > > smtp-server= > > nntp-server=news.halcyon.com > > inbox-path= > > ###################### Collections, Folders, and Files ##################### > > incoming-folders= > > folder-collections= > > news-collections= > > default-fcc=d:\internet\pine\folders\sentmail > > postponed=d:\internet\pine\folders\postpone > > read-message-folder=d:\internet\pine\folders\readmail > > signature-file=d:\data\phone\sig_pers.sig > > global-address-book="" > > address-book=d:\internet\pine\addrbook > > ############################### Preferences ################################ > > feature-list=assume-slow-link, > expunge-without-confirm, > include-text-in-reply, > news-approximates-new-status, > news-post-without-validation, > news-read-in-newsrc-order, > signature-at-bottom > > initial-keystroke-list= > > default-composer-hdrs= > > customized-hdrs= > > saved-msg-name-rule=d:\internet\pine\folders\savemail > > fcc-name-rule= > > sort-key=Arrival/Reverse > > addrbook-sort-rule=nickname-with-lists-last > > character-set= > > editor=d:\internet\pine\pico.exe > > image-viewer=d:\psp_30\psp.exe > > use-only-domain-name= > > ########## Set within or by Pine: No need to edit below this line ########## > > printer= > > personal-print-command= > > last-time-prune-questioned=95.10 > > last-version-used=3.91 > > newsrc-path=d:\data\phone\newsrc > > folder-extension=txt > > normal-foreground-color=black > normal-background-color=white > reverse-foreground-color=black > reverse-background-color=yellow > > font-name="" > font-size=-9 > font-style="" > > window-position=78x36+-2+-1 > > postponed-folder=d:\internet\pine\folders\postpone > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 30 20:50:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04284; Mon, 30 Oct 95 20:50:25 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09382; Mon, 30 Oct 95 20:46:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shivams.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09374; Mon, 30 Oct 95 20:46:07 -0800 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04199; Mon, 30 Oct 95 20:46:05 -0800 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 20:46:04 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: Eric Tse Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Send carbon Copy to multiple users... In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Organization: University of Washington; Office of Computing & Communications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Eric, Note the important sentence "Then put yourself in the to field." It is the absence of an entry in the To: field that causes sendmail to generate the Apparently-To: header. Note that we would assert that this is broken behavior of sendmail, not Pine... nonetheless, in 3.92 a message with only BCCs will have a group-syntax To: line added that says "undisclosed recipients: ;" in order to avoid this problem. -teg On Tue, 31 Oct 1995, Eric Tse wrote: > In article , > The Easy Rider wrote: > >Use the Rich Header and put all the addressees in the bcc field. Then put > >yourself in the to field. They will see a letter addressed from you to > > I tried this method. It doesn't quite work, due to a bug in Pine. This > issue was brought up in this newgroup about 2 weeks ago. > Although you put all the addresses in the BCC field, each of the > recipients can still see other recipients' addresses by looking at the > Apparently-To field (which can be launched by Rich Header). > > Eric > -- > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-Life is a mess=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > -= Eric Tse - jyetse@uwaterloo.ca - BL923@torfree.net =- > -= http://www.undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca/~jyetse =- > -=-=-=-=-=-=-I die a little more each day=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 30 21:04:19 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04710; Mon, 30 Oct 95 21:04:19 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09589; Mon, 30 Oct 95 20:57:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09583; Mon, 30 Oct 95 20:57:53 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tA8j5-00038DC; Mon, 30 Oct 95 20:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: darkstar@gate.net (DarkStar) Subject: Re: Posting to multiple newsgroups Date: 31 Oct 1995 00:25:08 GMT Message-Id: <473qd4$2am6@news.gate.net> References: Status: O X-Status: Alice in Wonderland (plato@quack.kfu.com) wrote: : For some reason Pine doesn't seem to work when I try to post to more than : one newsgroup at a time. I could not find any specific on-line help with : this. What is the proper way to separate the newsgroup names? With a : comma, a comma and a space, or what? Commas, no spaces. Works for me. I also do this when I wish to trim down the number of groups to which a followup is posted/crossposted. -- -- ================= DarkStar == Auburndale Florida == USA =================== Do you have/need/want wireless cable TV ? Computing with an attitude. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 30 21:52:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06005; Mon, 30 Oct 95 21:52:54 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13273; Mon, 30 Oct 95 21:48:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13267; Mon, 30 Oct 95 21:48:02 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tA9V9-00038DC; Mon, 30 Oct 95 21:44 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tih@Hamartun.Priv.NO (Tom I Helbekkmo) Subject: Re: The FUTURE Power of PINE! Message-Id: References: Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 19:49:26 GMT Status: O X-Status: blackda@freenet.scri.fsu.edu (Dave) writes: ...a long text containing interesting new ideas about how to store and organize e-mail. I fought my way through it in spite of the "semi shorthand" style, which I find quite difficult to read and comprehend at the same time, Dave! Then again, English is not my native language -- if it were, I might feel more comfortable with the "c u l8r" style abbreviations... :-) However, I'm not posting this to comment on Dave's ideas. Rather, now that the subject has been broached, I'd like to air my own long time wish for a different email storage architecture: Instead of folders, I'd like to have an inverted text database with specific recognition of header fields and inter-message referencing, so that I could tell my MUA things like - show me all mail to or from Dave during the last two months - list all mail items with "Pine" in the subject field - find mail from someone at cmu.edu that mentioned CMUCL in the text and so on. I'm not sure what sort of query language would be best, but it should probably be something that could do simple boolean expressions in English, and be able to store these as macros to be called by name or through keyboard bindings. A MUA using this concept would come with a set of commonly used macros already bound to keyboard shortcuts, of course -- single key commands for the most "normal" actions, including stuff like (when you're reading a newly arrived mail item) "list the items making up the context of this one". Comments, anyone? -tih -- Tom Ivar Helbekkmo tih@Hamartun.Priv.NO From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 30 21:54:05 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06038; Mon, 30 Oct 95 21:54:05 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10440; Mon, 30 Oct 95 21:48:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10434; Mon, 30 Oct 95 21:48:04 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tA9W3-00038EC; Mon, 30 Oct 95 21:45 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Re: Screen size in Pine on Unix Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 19:57:44 -0500 Message-Id: References: <46te40$ln9@sphinx.Gsu.EDU> <472n2i$h75@sphinx.Gsu.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <472n2i$h75@sphinx.Gsu.EDU> Status: O X-Status: On 30 Oct 1995, Eric Wardowski wrote: > Paul O Bartlett (pobart@access.digex.net) wrote: > : On 28 Oct 1995, Eric Wardowski wrote: > : > [etc.] > Got an answer. I had to type "stty rows 42" to get the rest of the > programs to recognize the screen size. [...] Thanks for posting this. It had been suggested to me to set 'stty rows _43_' and that was causing the problem. Unix Pine and ProComm seem to be happy now with 42 rows. Unfortunately, things get a little confused if I try to switch back to 25-line mode in mid-session. Paul -------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett P. O. Box 857 Vienna, VA 22183-0857 U.S.A. Finger, keyserver, or email for PGP 2.6 public key -------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 30 22:14:18 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06620; Mon, 30 Oct 95 22:14:18 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13678; Mon, 30 Oct 95 22:09:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shivams.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13672; Mon, 30 Oct 95 22:09:46 -0800 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06446; Mon, 30 Oct 95 22:09:41 -0800 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 22:09:40 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: Christian Labadie Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: $MAILCAP and mailcap file In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Organization: University of Washington; Office of Computing & Communications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Christian, To find out what's happening, try the following: Run pine -d9 Then view a non-text attachment. Then quit Pine. Now look at your .pine-debug1 file and search for "mailcap: " lines. You should see something like: - mailcap_can_display - - mc_init - mailcap: path: /usr/shivausers/gray/.mailcap:/etc/mailcap mailcap: process_file: /usr/shivausers/gray/.mailcap mailcap: processing file: /usr/shivausers/gray/.mailcap mailcap: processing entry: image/*; xv %s ; test=test -n "$DISPLAY" Please let us know what you discover. -teg On Mon, 30 Oct 1995, Christian Labadie wrote: > I have a .mailcap file, which works great with Netscape to display > PostScript documents. Pine does not seem to find this mailcap file; it > is in my home directory: > > ~/.mailcap > > I have tried to define $MAILCAPS=:$HOME/.mailcap: , but that didn't do > anygood. How should tell Pine that I have my own mailcap file ? > > Thanks, Christian Labadie > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 30 22:22:48 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06871; Mon, 30 Oct 95 22:22:48 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13784; Mon, 30 Oct 95 22:18:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13778; Mon, 30 Oct 95 22:18:07 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tA9xx-00038IC; Mon, 30 Oct 95 22:14 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Mark A. Wille" Subject: Re: Signature Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 20:23:31 -0600 Message-Id: References: <472hsh$um@guava.epix.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <472hsh$um@guava.epix.net> Status: O X-Status: Yes, that did help. Thanks! ___________________________________________________________________ __Mark A. Wille_____________________World Wide Web_________________ __mwille@mcs.net______________http://www.mcs.net/~mwille___________ ___________________________________________________________________ On 30 Oct 1995, Jonathan and DearOldDad wrote: > Mark A. Wille (mwille@mcs.net) wrote: > : I realize this, but I just don't understand the procedure to go about > : this. Thank you. > > : On Sat, 28 Oct 1995, Dayong Liu wrote: > : > On Fri, 27 Oct 1995, Mark A. Wille wrote: > : > > I have a question. In pine, how can you create a signature? Thank you > : > > very much. > : > Just produce a .signature file in your home directory, in Unix. > > With any text editor (pico would be the easiest if 'yer a novice) type > whatever you want your signature to say, then save it as filename > '.signature'. You don't do it while you're in the PINE program; From a > unix prompt type 'pico' press enter, you should be on a blank page, start > typing. Hope this helps. > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 31 00:48:33 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09488; Tue, 31 Oct 95 00:48:33 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13060; Tue, 31 Oct 95 00:38:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13054; Tue, 31 Oct 95 00:38:39 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tACBY-00038LC; Tue, 31 Oct 95 00:36 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Richard P. O'Sullivan" Subject: Re: New pine user :) Please help Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 23:10:02 +0000 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: On Sun, 29 Oct 1995 jilmarie@imap2.asu.edu wrote: > Hi, > > I just opened this Pine account at my university and use my > computer at home to sign on. I'm trying to learn how to use Pine. > I'm VERY new to computers and really lost. The only other > e-mail/Internet system I've used is America On-Line. Is there any > way to set Pine up so that I can use windows and a mouse? Any > suggestion about how to get it more user friendly would be wonderful. > Also, how would I join the same e-mail list that I used on AOL? I'm > trying to join vetmed-l, but don't know how. > > THANKS. > > Jill > jilmarie@asu.edu Jill, Take heart, Pine is the most user friendly email system for the old style keyboard approach to computers, so your learning curve with Pine will not be more difficult than necessary. Coming from a Graphical User Interface (windows and mouse), as you do, there will be some frustrations but not too many, I hope. I'm a mouse guy from way back in '88 when I brought home the Amiga I'm using now. I'm also a heavy keyboard guy too; since I do a lot of networking. As you have discovered, many 'dial-in' computers only support keyboard access. They do this because it is easier to implement and it makes the fewest assumptions about the workstations they serve. The advantage of learning both is you will broaden your skill base, learn the differences between the two interfaces, and be able to judge for yourself when one may be better to use than the other. As for Pine, you will not find (I don't think) a window/mouse interface. Pine was intentionally designed to be controlled from the keyboard and works on almost every type of computer: Amiga, UNIX, Mac, etc. Pine has a philosophy about being user-friendly: the beginner should be protected from making mistakes. This is a common approach to user-friendliness but there is a problem with this approach. As users of any program become more proficient, the protections become a nuisance. Pine's solution to this is to provide a large number of configuration options in its Setup list. At some point in your learning adventure, you may wish to visit this area and use the '?' to read more about each feature. Many features may not mean anything to you but learning about them will allow you to solve problems as you go along. If the email list 'vetmed-l' is distributed by a list server you can send a request to that server asking for distribution to your new email address. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Altofirma Web Works Richard P. O'Sullivan http://www.aww.com/ rosully@aww.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 31 00:59:38 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09672; Tue, 31 Oct 95 00:59:38 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13261; Tue, 31 Oct 95 00:53:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13255; Tue, 31 Oct 95 00:53:39 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tACQr-00038IC; Tue, 31 Oct 95 00:52 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Anders Waller Subject: Re: Getting Mail headers without mail prog??? Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 09:37:50 +0100 Message-Id: References: <45bj41$71u@nic-nac.CSU.net> <46g81r$c2k@news.dataphone.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: On 23 Oct 1995, Sven Guckes wrote: > Well, this looks at *all* lines which contain "From". > It should be "^From: ", though. > And even this does not skip "included non-quoted mails". Correct...Been playing some with egrep, seems the following works, havent tested it much yet though...Im sure theres some case whereas it doesnt work. alias from 'more $MAILPATH | egrep "^From: | ^From " > Sven /Anders > > Cc: yfcon@nic.dataphone.se. (Anders Waller) > > -- > ELM - the "Easy Learn Mail" program. Newsgroup: comp.mail.elm > The "ELM Pages" - all about ELM on the World Wide Web: > http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/elm/ > ELM versions: Latest release: ELM2.4PL24 [940920] > Latest ME patch: ELM2.4PL24ME8b [951012] > Latest alpha: ELM2.5a08 [950908] > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 31 01:00:47 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09815; Tue, 31 Oct 95 01:00:47 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16289; Tue, 31 Oct 95 00:53:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16283; Tue, 31 Oct 95 00:53:37 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tACQj-00038EC; Tue, 31 Oct 95 00:52 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: J.Wolff@forprod.csiro.au (John Wolff) Subject: Problem with pcpine_p and umslip Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 14:56:57 LOCAL Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: I have an IMAP user who has been banished to field work with a DOS-based 286 laptop. I have been trying to get the packet version of pcpine 3.91 to work with the U of Minnesota "umslip" serial line packet driver to allow him to access his existing mail store, but am not having much success. umslip loads ok and connects to my dialup router (a Netblazer), pktstats shows a packet driver on 0x60, the ping program ex CUTCP works ok, and minuet work OK, so I figure this end of it is working. But pcpine doesn't like it, and is unable even to resolve the mailhost name over umslip. Modem lights and a trace on the dialup router show DNS packets being sent and received, but no action results. (I haven't tackled the protocol analyser yet to check the content of the packets). Using the IP address instead of server name in the inbox definition produces an IMAP protocol exchange with the mailhost, but pine quits with "connection broken by server" (or words to that effect). Syslog on the imap server does not show a connection ever having been established. However, exactly the same pcpine configuration works fine over an ethernet packet driver on a desktop machine (lsl/smc8000/odipkt24). So both halves of the setup work independently, but they just don't seem to communicate at the packet layer. Any light on this problem would be much appreciated, or any suggestions for an alternative dial-up system that will work with Pine on a DOS-based 286. Also: I can not get pcpine to produce a debug file as described in the tech notes, even if started with -d9. Is this supposed to work, or is there a trick to this too? Many thanks, John Wolff Electronics & Networks Engineer Phone: +61 3 542 2281 CSIRO Ian Wark Laboratory Fax: +61 3 543 6613 Private Bag 10, Rosebank MDC Private: +61 3 754 2426 Clayton, VIC, 3169, Australia Email: J.Wolff@forprod.csiro.au From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 31 01:03:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09889; Tue, 31 Oct 95 01:03:20 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16337; Tue, 31 Oct 95 00:58:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16331; Tue, 31 Oct 95 00:58:42 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tACVh-00038EC; Tue, 31 Oct 95 00:57 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: How to make a SIGNATURE - faq Date: 30 Oct 1995 16:04:01 -0800 Message-Id: <473p5h$h6j@shellx.best.com> References: <472jmf$3cb@guava.epix.net> Status: O X-Status: The best way to access the Signature, Finger, and Customized Headers FAQ is via its "FAQ Launcher" which has links to lots of differeent archives of it. It's at: http://www.jazzie.com/ii/faqs/archive/signature_finger_faq/ Good luck, Nancy -- <*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*< @..@ Nancy McGough /\_/\ (----) Infinite Ink ( o.o ) ( >__< ) http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ > ~ < From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 31 02:21:45 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11660; Tue, 31 Oct 95 02:21:45 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14138; Tue, 31 Oct 95 01:58:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14132; Tue, 31 Oct 95 01:58:56 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tADPa-00038EC; Tue, 31 Oct 95 01:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Terry Gray Subject: Re: Spreading IMAP loading on one mailhub... Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 21:16:53 -0800 Message-Id: References: <46qg87$2g9@leofric.coventry.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: Alan, We now have about 40,000 users on our primary email cluster, with 2-3,000 concurrent sessions. (Caveat: we are just now implementing the DNS-based client binding mentioned below; we're using a homebrew hack right now, but I don't forsee any scaling problems with the DNS binding model. ) -teg On Mon, 30 Oct 1995, Alan Thew wrote: > Has anyone done this with say > 15,000 users? > > Thanks > > -- > Alan Thew > alan.thew@liv.ac.uk ...!uknet!liv!alan.thew Tel: +44 151 794-4497 > University of Liverpool, Computing Services Fax: +44 151 794-4442 > > On Fri, 27 Oct 1995 23:30:49 -0700 , Terry Gray (gray@cac.washington.edu) wrote: > > : On 27 Oct 1995, Adam Bentley wrote: > > : > My problem is I really need to spread the load of my IMAP users... > > : Adam, > : The way I would approach this problem is as follows... > > : Goals: > : o Want to use IMAP and avoid NFS for performance and locking reasons. > : o Need multiple IMAP servers for scalability. > : o Want to preserve single email domain view. > > : Need: > : o An algorithm *OR* a database for mapping usernames > : into the name or cname of a mail server. > : o An MX mail forwarder for the email domain that uses the above algorithm > : or database. (We use sendmail as the MTA). > : o A DNS server for the email domain that uses the above algorithm or > : database. > > : Configuration: > : o Clients are configured (using Pine terminology) to have an > : inbox-path=.email.coventry.ac.uk > : e.g. > : inbox-path=ccx009.email.coventry.ac.uk > > : The customized DNS server for email.coventry.ac.uk would then return the > : IP address of the mail server for user ccx009. > > : Because MX routing allows load sharing across multiple mail forwarders and > : the the modified sendmail on the MX hosts and DNS servers allow use of > : multiple mail servers, I believe this model could be scaled to support > : very large numbers of users, on the order of hundreds of thousands, > : though I/O (esp. seek) bandwidth probably limits each server to around 200 > : concurrent sessions. > > : -teg > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 31 02:30:24 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11849; Tue, 31 Oct 95 02:30:24 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17387; Tue, 31 Oct 95 02:09:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17374; Tue, 31 Oct 95 02:09:01 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tADYc-00038EC; Tue, 31 Oct 95 02:04 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Matteo Mainetti Subject: how to "catch up" reading news in pine ? Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 23:36:46 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Well, the title is everything. I'd like to mark read (or deleted, whatever) all the messages in some newsgroup, as I would do with the "c" (=catch up) command in rn. Does anyone know how to do it (if possible) ? thanks, \\|||// matteo @ @ | mainetti \_/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 31 03:11:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12612; Tue, 31 Oct 95 03:11:31 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17981; Tue, 31 Oct 95 02:59:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17975; Tue, 31 Oct 95 02:59:44 -0800 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 10:57:39 +0000 Received: by tower.york.ac.uk (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/940406.SGI) id KAA26373; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 10:58:49 GMT Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 10:58:49 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Brudenell To: Matteo Mainetti Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: how to "catch up" reading news in pine ? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Yes.... using Pine 3.91 first go to the Setup Configuration screen (S then C from the Main Menu) and enable the "aggregate command set". Whilst there type a question mark to see the built-in help about this. Return to your news folder and type the four characters: ; A A D Things should becoe clear as you watch the menu at the bottom of the screen as you do this. Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Tel: +44-1904-433811 FAX: +44-1904-433740 http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/ On Mon, 30 Oct 1995, Matteo Mainetti wrote: > Well, the title is everything. > I'd like to mark read (or deleted, whatever) > all the messages in some newsgroup, > as I would do with the "c" (=catch up) command in rn. > Does anyone know how to do it (if possible) ? > thanks, > > \\|||// > matteo @ @ > | mainetti > \_/ > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 31 03:17:35 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12800; Tue, 31 Oct 95 03:17:35 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14979; Tue, 31 Oct 95 03:04:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14973; Tue, 31 Oct 95 03:04:08 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tAEPV-00038EC; Tue, 31 Oct 95 02:59 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Mark A. Wille" Subject: Help Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 20:27:36 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Ok.. I am having problems.. every time I try to launch pine, I get this message: >Can't open mailbox /var/mail/mwille: no such folder What could this mean, and how do I remedy the problem? Thank you everyone for the help you have given me. I really appreciate it. ___________________________________________________________________ __Mark A. Wille_____________________World Wide Web_________________ __mwille@mcs.net______________http://www.mcs.net/~mwille___________ ___________________________________________________________________ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 31 03:21:29 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12898; Tue, 31 Oct 95 03:21:29 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18227; Tue, 31 Oct 95 03:14:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18221; Tue, 31 Oct 95 03:14:09 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tAEaq-00038IC; Tue, 31 Oct 95 03:11 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Mark A. Wille" Subject: Answer Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 21:13:56 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I have answered my own question about the Can't open mailbox /var/mail/mwille: no such folder problem. Sorry for all of the bandwidth I wasted. ___________________________________________________________________ __Mark A. Wille_____________________World Wide Web_________________ __mwille@mcs.net______________http://www.mcs.net/~mwille___________ ___________________________________________________________________ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 31 03:38:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13359; Tue, 31 Oct 95 03:38:12 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15333; Tue, 31 Oct 95 03:29:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15327; Tue, 31 Oct 95 03:29:10 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tAEni-00038EC; Tue, 31 Oct 95 03:24 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Vitaliy Zolotarev Subject: [Q] what is pine-use ? Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 06:53:06 GMT Status: RO X-Status: Hi all! Anybody know what is "pine-use"? I found it in pine(3.91) source directory, and built by "build pine-use". When i run pine-use, i've got : > 1: last week > 1: last two weeks (+0) > 1: last month (+0) > 0: last year > 0: more than a year > 0: core files > 0: Average messages in inbox (0/1) > 0: Largest inbox in messages > 23: Total users checked > 0: signature files What is it? Vitaliy. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 31 05:13:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15984; Tue, 31 Oct 95 05:13:23 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19937; Tue, 31 Oct 95 05:04:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19931; Tue, 31 Oct 95 05:04:23 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tAGM0-00038EC; Tue, 31 Oct 95 05:03 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: phred@ling.umu.se (Fredrick Backman) Subject: Re: Pine and SMTP server Date: 31 Oct 1995 07:37:26 GMT Message-Id: <474jnm$mej@studium.student.umu.se> References: <471jvj$bul@bud.shadow.net> Status: O X-Status: In article bul@bud.shadow.net, mikea@shadow.net (Mike Arias) writes: >How can I make Pine connect quickly to an SMTP server. The way it works >now takes about a minute to connect. There must be a better way of doing >it, since Eudora, can connect much quicker and it's not even a Unix program. Here is what I found in the Tech Notes (excerpts slightly edited by me), I hope it answers your Q: Pine checks for new mail in the INBOX and in the currently open folder at least every two and a half minutes. It used to be 30 seconds instead of 150 seconds, but we increased it in order to reduce the load on large systems with lots of Pine users. The value can be changed at compile-time in the pine/os.h file. If you really don't want to wait you can force a new mail check by pressing N Next with the cursor on the last message of the message index or by redrawing the screen with a ^L. Most of Pine's behaviors are set in the file ./pine/osdep/os-xxx.h, which includes comments that explain each setting. Some of these can only be set when you compile. Others, however, can be overridden by command-line flags to Pine or set- tings in Pine's user or system configuration files. Some of the options which can be set when compiling: NEW_MAIL_TIME: Interval between new-mail checks. Default is 150 seconds. Enjoy! /Phred --- .-.. .. ...- .. -. --. .. -. .- ...- .- -.-. ..- ..- -- ... ..- -.-. -.- ... Fredrick Backman. Research Engineer, handsome, smart, athletic, and modest!! Dept of Linguistics, Umea University, 901 87 Umea, Sweden. phred@ling.umu.se URL: Phone: +46-90-165676 Fax: +46-90-133162 "Take a stress pill and think things over." -Hal9000 "Don't Panic!" -HHGTTG From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 31 07:07:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18595; Tue, 31 Oct 95 07:07:23 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18409; Tue, 31 Oct 95 06:49:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18403; Tue, 31 Oct 95 06:49:39 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tAHxx-00038EC; Tue, 31 Oct 95 06:47 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: james bryson Subject: Converting pine address book to Netscape 2 address book Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:32:28 +0000 Message-Id: <3096094C.7186@atuk.aspentec.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: Does anyone know is there exists a tool for converting pine address book format into Netscape 2 format. I've written a short and crude awk script to do this, but its not ideal. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 31 07:52:29 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19887; Tue, 31 Oct 95 07:52:29 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19014; Tue, 31 Oct 95 07:25:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from visla.utia.cas.cz by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18986; Tue, 31 Oct 95 07:24:43 -0800 Received: by visla.utia.cas.cz (16.7/16.2) id AA02910; Tue, 31 Oct 95 16:22:23 +0100 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 16:22:22 +0100 (MET) From: Vladimir Solnicky =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Vladim=EDr_Solnick=FD?= To: mrc@cac.washington.edu Cc: The Pine Discussion List Subject: Troubles with Tenex format Message-Id: X-Postal-Address: UTIA AV CR; Pod vodarenskou vezi 4; 182 08 Praha 8-Liben; Czech Republic Acknowledge-To: vs@utia.cas.cz Organization: Institute of Information Theory and Automation (UTIA AV CR) Organizace: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=DAstav_teorie_informace_a_automatizace_(=DATIA)_AV_=C8R?= Transport-Options: /delivery /return Read-Receipt-To: vs@utia.cas.cz X-Chameleon-Receipt-To: vs@utia.cas.cz X-Chameleon-Return-To: vs@utia.cas.cz X-Chameleon-Read-To: vs@utia.cas.cz X-Confirm-Reading-To: vs@utia.cas.cz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Status: O X-Status: A few weeks ago I switched to Tenex format for inbox and work-on folders.= =20 Fortunately only for these two. I met the two following problems: 1) Message shrank massages--very often and in situations when neither CR nor NULL characters were present. These messages were fine in Berkeley format folders: One example -- I cannot saved to a Tenex folder, I could to a Berkeley one (from Berkeley). I copied the source folder, piped it through `tr -d '\015' | tr -d '\000' ' command--the size didn't changed!--and then there was the same situation.=20 2) My mail.txt got unopenable by pine -- there is some error inside. I think some pointer points to a line which doesn't contein a valid pointer. Error message is `Cannot parse ...'. This mail.txt folder has about 1.5 MB and I need to use messages that it contains. Is there any utility which could help me to recover the folder? Or convert it back to Berkeley format--this would be much better!=20 In my opinion Tenex format is a good thing but its support in pine 3.91 has some bugs. thanks for any help or advice. V. S.=20 | | Bc. Vladimir Solnicky (Vladim=EDr Solnick=FD using ISO 8859-1 or 2) | | Institute of Information UTIA AV CR \/ Theory and Automation Pod vodarenskou vezi 4 Department of Computing Systems 182 08 Praha 8-Liben +42 2 6605/2212 fax: +42 2 66414677 Czech Republic +42 2 6605/2364 e-mail: vs@utia.cas.cz ftp.utia.cas.cz http://www.utia.cas.cz/user_data/vs/vs-home.html From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 31 09:10:36 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22947; Tue, 31 Oct 95 09:10:36 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24396; Tue, 31 Oct 95 08:59:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24390; Tue, 31 Oct 95 08:59:54 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tAK2C-00038EC; Tue, 31 Oct 95 08:59 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Patrick.Seemann@ubs.ch Subject: Re: Getting Mail headers without mail prog??? Date: 31 Oct 1995 11:54:22 GMT Message-Id: <4752pe-ik8@svstch.ubs.ch> References: <45bj41$71u@nic-nac.CSU.net> <46g81r$c2k@news.dataphone.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: Anders Waller wrote: > >alias from 'more $MAILPATH | egrep "^From: | ^From " Aehem, isn't this an useless use of more? egrep "..." $MAILPATH should give the same result. On many systems, MAILPATH is a colon separated list of files, not just one file. Something like OIFS=$IFS IFS=: set -- $MAILPATH IFS=$OIFS egrep "^From: |^From " $@ is probably better in these cases. gruss, pat -- I don't speak for UBS, I just work here. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 31 10:39:59 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27404; Tue, 31 Oct 95 10:39:59 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23976; Tue, 31 Oct 95 10:30:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23969; Tue, 31 Oct 95 10:30:25 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tALQ5-00038DC; Tue, 31 Oct 95 10:28 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul Weber Subject: BCC and headers Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 09:00:27 -0500 Message-Id: <30962BFB.167EB0E7@ee.cornell.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: We are using Bcc to send out a mail message to a large list of users. People who read the message with pine do not see the Bcc header list, however, people reading mail with Eudora or mail do see the complete header list. The list is very long 200+ names and people are getting upset having to page over the header list. Can anyone tell me what the solution is? Thanks! Paul -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ Paul R. Weber ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ Computer Operations Manager II ~ ~ 301 Phillips Hall ~ ~ Electrical Engineering ~ ~ Cornell University ~ ~ Ithaca, NY 14853-6401 ~ ~ ~ ~ E-mail: prw1@cornell.edu ~ ~ Phone: (607) 255-1460 ~ ~ Fax: (607) 254-4565 ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 31 11:17:43 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29182; Tue, 31 Oct 95 11:17:43 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24878; Tue, 31 Oct 95 11:08:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24872; Tue, 31 Oct 95 11:08:39 -0800 Received: from localhost by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16270; Tue, 31 Oct 95 11:08:23 -0800 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:08:20 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller To: Aleksandra Marciniuk Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: REQ: -=[ the latest pine's version ]=- In-Reply-To: <46o6ps$d62@sun1000.ci.pwr.wroc.pl> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pine.tar.Z |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 26 Oct 1995, Aleksandra Marciniuk wrote: > Date: 26 Oct 1995 14:43:08 GMT > From: Aleksandra Marciniuk > To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu > Subject: REQ: -=[ the latest pine's version ]=- > > Aloha :) > Plz tell me, where I can get the latest pine's > version. > Thx in advance :) > -- > ,--- > ,- Tomasz Okulewicz > ,- chato@ekonom.ar.wroc.pl > ,------ ,- ,---- ,---- ,----------- ,----- (R) > ,- ,- ,- ,- , ,- ,- ,- ,- ,- ,- ,- > ,- ,- ,- ,- ,- ,- ,- ,- > ,- ,- ,- ,-------- ,- ,- ,- > ,- ,- ,- ,- ,- ,- ,- ,- ,- > ,------ ,--- ,- ,- ,---- ,----- ,------ > ,- ,- > , , L I M I T E D > > ----=== A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away ===---- > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 31 11:35:01 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29932; Tue, 31 Oct 95 11:35:01 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28429; Tue, 31 Oct 95 11:26:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28423; Tue, 31 Oct 95 11:26:24 -0800 Received: from localhost by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16847; Tue, 31 Oct 95 11:26:16 -0800 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:26:13 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller To: Kevin B Fleming Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: pc pine & smtp port In-Reply-To: <46qmkd$1pl@sydney1.world.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: PC-Pine already expects the SMTP server to be on port 25. Pine 3.92 will allow you to select an alternate port... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 27 Oct 1995, Kevin B Fleming wrote: > Date: 27 Oct 1995 13:25:33 GMT > From: Kevin B Fleming > To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu > Subject: pc pine & smtp port > > is there a way to change the port number that pc pine expects the smtp > server on?? (from 125 to 25) > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 31 12:32:40 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03084; Tue, 31 Oct 95 12:32:40 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00266; Tue, 31 Oct 95 12:25:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00260; Tue, 31 Oct 95 12:25:20 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tANDa-00038DC; Tue, 31 Oct 95 12:23 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rick@helix.nih.gov (Rick Troxel) Subject: Re: Deleting incoming folders In-Reply-To: mlck@cnct.com's message of 28 Oct 1995 04: 26:14 -0400 Message-Id: References: <46spf6$ni7@cnct.com> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 18:39:20 GMT Status: O X-Status: In article <46spf6$ni7@cnct.com> mlck@cnct.com (Cassady Kent) writes: I accidentally added an incoming folder with the 'Add' command. When I try to delete it and type y to confirm, it says: Can't delete folder so-and-so. No such folder. How do I get rid of the name of the folder if the folder isn't there. (I feel like I'm in windows 95). This is unimportant and therefore incredibly irritating. Thanks for any help you can offer. . Be warned that deleting a folder actually removes it from disk! :^( Not such a problem in your case, but I think the general solution/workaround may help you as well. To simply remove a folder name from a list of folders, manually edit your .pinerc file. Hope this helps, -- Rick Troxel Rick_Troxel@nih.gov rick@helix.nih.gov 301/496-4823 /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// All effort and exertion put forth by man from the fullness of his heart is worship, if it is prompted by the highest motives and the will to do service to humanity. --Abdu'l-Baha From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 31 12:35:14 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03217; Tue, 31 Oct 95 12:35:14 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27059; Tue, 31 Oct 95 12:25:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27051; Tue, 31 Oct 95 12:25:22 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tANDt-00038EC; Tue, 31 Oct 95 12:23 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: spatlan@gp807.jsc.nasa.gov Subject: Re: BCC and headers Date: 31 Oct 1995 19:00:37 GMT Message-Id: <475rol$d0r@cisu2.jsc.nasa.gov> References: <30962BFB.167EB0E7@ee.cornell.edu> Status: O X-Status: > Paul Weber writes: > We are using Bcc to send out a mail message to a large list of users. > People who read the message with pine do not see the Bcc header list, > however, people reading mail with Eudora or mail do see the complete > header list. The list is very long 200+ names and people are getting > upset having to page over the header list. Can anyone tell me what the > solution is? Well, you didn't say exactly how the list appears in Eudora ("To:", "Bcc:", "Apparently-To:", etc.), so I'll answer what I think you're asking. When you use Bcc:, you must include at least *one* recipient on the "To:" line, otherwise you will see a whole slew of "Apparently-To:" lines, thus making the blind cc's un-blind. If that's not what's happening to you, then you have a different problem. TTFN, Steve From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 31 13:46:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06344; Tue, 31 Oct 95 13:46:20 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02183; Tue, 31 Oct 95 13:38:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mizar.usc.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02177; Tue, 31 Oct 95 13:38:51 -0800 Received: (kozinski@localhost) by mizar.usc.edu (8.7.1/8.6.4) id NAA22371; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:36:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:36:35 -0800 (PST) From: The Easy Rider To: Eric Tse Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Send carbon Copy to multiple users... In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: > > I tried this method. It doesn't quite work, due to a bug in Pine. This > issue was brought up in this newsgroup about 2 weeks ago. > Although you put all the addresses in the BCC field, each of the > recipients can still see other recipients' addresses by looking at the > Apparently-To field (which can be launched by Rich Header). I tried to use rich header when reading mail and it won't work. What am I doing wrong (or right)? > > Eric > -- > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-Life is a mess=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > -= Eric Tse - jyetse@uwaterloo.ca - BL923@torfree.net =- > -= http://www.undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca/~jyetse =- > -=-=-=-=-=-=-I die a little more each day=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 31 16:01:46 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12908; Tue, 31 Oct 95 16:01:46 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05659; Tue, 31 Oct 95 15:50:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05651; Tue, 31 Oct 95 15:50:52 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tAQPu-00038DC; Tue, 31 Oct 95 15:48 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Re: Question: Is Kill Possible in Pine? Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:12:10 -0500 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 30 Oct 1995, Charlie Channel wrote: > I'm getting undesired email and would like to kill it without ever > reading it. Is there any way to do that in Pine? Not in Pine, at least as of version 3.91. However, depending on what operating system you are running under, you may be able to use software which preprocesses the mail before Pine ever sees it. You could implement a kill that way. Procmail under Unix is one way (although for anything beyond the simplest mail filtering it helps to be Unix-experienced to use procmail most effectively). Paul -------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett P. O. Box 857 Vienna, VA 22183-0857 U.S.A. Finger, keyserver, or email for PGP 2.6 public key -------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 31 16:17:49 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13605; Tue, 31 Oct 95 16:17:49 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03138; Tue, 31 Oct 95 16:10:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03132; Tue, 31 Oct 95 16:10:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tAQku-00038DC; Tue, 31 Oct 95 16:10 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dtp@python.viper.net (DTP Products) Subject: cmsg cancel <475ub9$fcq@python.viper.net> Control: cancel <475ub9$fcq@python.viper.net> Date: 31 Oct 1995 21:35:31 GMT Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: Death to Spam! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 31 17:05:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16034; Tue, 31 Oct 95 17:05:42 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07609; Tue, 31 Oct 95 17:00:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tomobiki-cho.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07603; Tue, 31 Oct 95 17:00:08 -0800 Received: from localhost by Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA13887; Tue, 31 Oct 95 16:59:57 -0800 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 16:30:23 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Crispin Subject: re: Troubles with Tenex format To: Vladimir Solnicky =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Vladim=EDr_Solnick=FD?= Cc: The Pine Discussion List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 31 Oct 1995 16:22:22 +0100 (MET), Vladimir Solnicky =?ISO-8859- 2?Q?Vladim=EDr_Solnick=FD?= wrote: > A few weeks ago I switched to Tenex format for inbox and work-on folders. > Fortunately only for these two. I met the two following problems: > > 1) Message shrank massages--very often and in situations when neither CR > nor NULL characters were present. > These messages were fine in Berkeley > format folders: One example -- I cannot saved to a Tenex folder, I could > to a Berkeley one (from Berkeley). I copied the source folder, piped it > through `tr -d '\015' | tr -d '\000' ' command--the size didn't > changed!--and then there was the same situation. You can not save to a different type folder. In other words, you can save from Berkeley to Berkeley, or Tenex to Tenex, but you can't save from Berkeley to Tenex. This is a restriction at the present time. Also, "tr -d '\000'" doesn't do anything useful in most versions of tr. > 2) My mail.txt got unopenable by pine -- there is some error inside. I > think some pointer points to a line which doesn't contein a valid pointer. > Error message is `Cannot parse ...'. This mail.txt folder has about 1.5 MB > and I need to use messages that it contains. Is there any utility which > could help me to recover the folder? Or convert it back to Berkeley > format--this would be much better! The complete error message gives you the exact character position at where the problem began. Read the file in emacs, then move to that position in the file. The cursor should be at the very start of an internal header line, which is in the format: 10-Mar-1995 08:09:28 -0800,1384;000000000021 Note the field between the comma and the semicolon (1384 in this example). This is the size in bytes of the following message. If the cursor is not at the exact start of this internal header line, scroll back in the mail file and find the internal header line of them previous message. Check that count. You'll find that it is wrong for some reason. Perhaps that message got trashed, or some garbage got appended to the end of the mail file. Either way, either fix the count, or alter the subsequent text so that the count is right. I wonder if this problem below came about by using some other program to forcibly save a Berkeley format message into a Tenex folder. That's a very likely scenario. If the cursor points at "From ", then that's what you did. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 31 18:44:50 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19237; Tue, 31 Oct 95 18:44:50 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09897; Tue, 31 Oct 95 18:41:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09891; Tue, 31 Oct 95 18:41:09 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tAT4I-00038DC; Tue, 31 Oct 95 18:38 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: svreddy@CSTP.UMKC.EDU Subject: please help Date: 31 Oct 1995 16:42:06 GMT Message-Id: <475jku$m35@kasey.umkc.edu> Status: O X-Status: hello, can anyone tell me how I can set a folder in the config setting of pine to keep a copy of the mail I send...in other words a sent-mail folder Thanks ina dvance Sridhar...svreddy@cstp.umkc.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 31 19:08:50 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19645; Tue, 31 Oct 95 19:08:50 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07315; Tue, 31 Oct 95 19:06:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07309; Tue, 31 Oct 95 19:06:14 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tATUU-00038DC; Tue, 31 Oct 95 19:05 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Re: please help Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 21:03:20 -0500 Message-Id: References: <475jku$m35@kasey.umkc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <475jku$m35@kasey.umkc.edu> Status: O X-Status: On 31 Oct 1995 svreddy@CSTP.UMKC.EDU wrote: > hello, > can anyone tell me how I can set a folder in the config setting of pine to keep a copy of the mail I send...in other words a sent-mail folder > Thanks ina dvance > Sridhar...svreddy@cstp.umkc.edu Assuming you are current on Pine (version 3.91), from the Main Menu go into Setup and Config. On the first screen should be a field named default-fcc. Provided this is not set to null or blank, it contains the name of the default folder to which all mail is saved unless you specify otherwise for a specific piece (either explicitly or through the addressbook). Normally, if you do nothing there will be an annotation that the default folder "sent-mail" is being used. Paul -------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett P. O. Box 857 Vienna, VA 22183-0857 U.S.A. Finger, keyserver, or email for PGP 2.6 public key -------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 31 23:09:17 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25271; Tue, 31 Oct 95 23:09:17 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11083; Tue, 31 Oct 95 23:07:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from [203.16.207.1] by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11077; Tue, 31 Oct 95 23:07:22 -0800 Received: (from johnt@localhost) by gaia.sbss.com.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA01846; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 17:12:45 +1100 Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 17:12:39 +1100 (EST) From: John Treloar To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Out of free storage Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: I am running pine 3.91 on a linux server. I have recieved some mail with a large binary MIME attachment (5MB). When I try to read it (to see the text part and save the attachment) I get an 'Out of free storage' message. Is there a way of increasing the storage space or is this just too big to be practical? I couldn't see any options in the setup configuration. Thanks in anticipation. :-) ______________________________________________________________________________ John R. Treloar SBSS Pty. Ltd., PO Box 130 Bendigo Australia. +61 54 424322 fax:+61 54 432847 johnt@sbss.com.au http://www.sbss.com.au/ ______________________________________________________________________________ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 12 10:04:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25949; Thu, 12 Oct 95 10:04:20 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15048; Thu, 12 Oct 95 09:55:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15042; Thu, 12 Oct 95 09:55:45 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t3Qsj-00038CC; Thu, 12 Oct 95 09:53 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: awnbreel@panix.com (Michael Weholt) Subject: Re: Two (constructive) Suggestions. Date: 12 Oct 1995 10:35:44 -0400 Message-Id: <45j940$f3v@panix2.panix.com> References: <453jd6$svg@copland.udel.edu> <45j3jv$3d3@guava.epix.net> Status: RO X-Status: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- ]---> In <45j3jv$3d3@guava.epix.net>, ]---> Jonathan and DearOldDad (jgvd@news.epix.net) wrote: > David Tal (caspari@techunix.technion.ac.il) wrote: > : 1. When I am SELECTING from the index, where I have a LOT of > : stored input messages, it would be very helpful to be able to > : select a single message manually with a single key stroke. > > You can (in pine 3.9+) First you must (in Setup Config) enable agregate > command set, then ; will select, A will apply a command to all selected > messages. For the record, I use 3.91. Note that he suggests a *single* keystroke. Your advice is correct, but it takes at least 2 keystrokes to select ... ; + {enter} ... As far as I can tell, there is no way to select with a single keystroke. I second David's motion. A *single* keystroke would be very nice. (NB: what a nice program Pine is, if this is all we have to bitch about :) If you have a lot of items you want to select from a list, you can select by concatenating message numbers. I.e., type ; then 1,3,6,7-10,14 etc. If the list goes beyond the first page, close out the selection (the selected numbers are highlighted), go to the next page and repeat the message number selection process. When you're finished selecting, use 'A' and proceed with whatever evil intention you have for those messages unlucky enough to have been singled out :) :::: Calm Sea & a Prosperous Voyage ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Michael Weholt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> awnbreel@panix.com id: 0xB91FE481 fp: 2E DA D9 0D 05 A7 33 14 22 0D AD 47 A5 07 E0 1A -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMH0nGrHjYYi5H+SBAQFpkAQAuRSgyLOiMKS3JFwR/WosB47vRTp5TLgq G8fW5IurBcIAkvvO1GEgaMnmWxiEUELS4CyZH+om8/2g5X21estrp5IvqGw+/tbC qzHPwHkyJHdoaFvzLGHRUEVxynVtXoPoTYHAWilcn/rA/IVtGIoZwCMN7dh+xT14 /Mz8Zp42esk= =CJUp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 12 10:47:48 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28803; Thu, 12 Oct 95 10:47:48 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15996; Thu, 12 Oct 95 10:31:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mercury.ukc.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15976; Thu, 12 Oct 95 10:31:29 -0700 Received: from raven.ukc.ac.uk by mercury.ukc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 15:57:05 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost.ukc.ac.uk) by raven.ukc.ac.uk (4.1/UKC-2.9) id AA03756; Thu, 12 Oct 95 15:56:48 BST Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 15:56:47 +0100 (BST) From: "G.J.McKelvey" To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: additional information Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I received all the additional information with regards to the newly installed pine system and was wandering whether there was any more you could send me about the uses of pine. Thank you. G.Mckelvey. ******************************* * MR G.MCKELVEY * * 17 TUNSTALL ROAD * * CANTERBURY * * KENT * * MOBILE NO.0589543682 * ******************************* From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 12 12:12:13 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03640; Thu, 12 Oct 95 12:12:13 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14099; Thu, 12 Oct 95 12:06:04 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14093; Thu, 12 Oct 95 12:06:03 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t3StP-00038CC; Thu, 12 Oct 95 12:02 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: anirvan@crl.com (Anirvan Chatterjee) Subject: Disabling file browser Date: 12 Oct 1995 10:40:35 -0700 Message-Id: <45jjuj$n9j@crl11.crl.com> Status: O X-Status: How do I go about disabling the pine file-browser for restricted accounts? I want restricted-access users to be able to access their email, but not anything else on the system (be it world-readable or not). Or is there any way to limit the scope of the file browser to only the users' on directory? I'm running pine 3.91 on a linux machine. -- ============================================================================ Anirvan Chatterjee : anirvan@crl.com : http://192.188.37.4/~anirvan/ Net/WebAdmin @ Monte Vista High School, Danville, Calif. : UC Berkeley Frosh Net+Mac+Books+SF+Asimov+Russell+Dilbert+Geek+ACLU+NPR+Liberal+Humanism+India From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 12 13:03:45 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05348; Thu, 12 Oct 95 13:03:45 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19740; Thu, 12 Oct 95 12:56:13 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19734; Thu, 12 Oct 95 12:56:11 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t3ThN-00038CC; Thu, 12 Oct 95 12:53 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: kcclaess@cs.ruu.nl (Koen Claessen) Subject: Re: How do I change the Reply-line? Date: 12 Oct 1995 14:58:09 GMT Message-Id: <45jae1$rmt@krant.cs.ruu.nl> References: <45e7i6$m5b@krant.cs.ruu.nl> <199510111614.RAA28778@hermans.cs.ruu.nl> Status: O X-Status: The other day I've asked: | How can I change the reply-line? I read another news-message after it, in which somebody (forgotten who) explained how to change the quote-symbols (e.g. " | " insetad of "> "). I realised this would also solve MY problem. I wrote a Gofer-program that can be treated as an alternative editor (by the command ^_). When you immediately start it after you gave the command 'R' (Reply), then it transforms your reply-message. After that you return in the standard pine-editor, and proceed replying. When the e-mail looked this way: ------------------------------------------ On March 12, 10:00, Edward Davidson wrote: >Hi Koen, >How are you? > >Regards, Edward. ------------------------------------------ The program transforms it into: ------------------------------------------ Hi Edward Davidson, you said: | Hi Koen, | How are you? | | Regards, Edward ------------------------------------------ I made the "Hi ", ",you said:" and the " | " variables. Does anyone wants to have it? It is a Gofer-program, so you will need a Gofer-compiler or interpreter. Regards, Koen -- | _ __ __ | Koen Claessen, kcclaess@cs.ruu.nl, | | | |/ / / _| | Dept. of Mathematical and Computer Science, | | | ( ( (_ | University of Utrecht, The Netherlands. | | |_|\_\ \__| | -- If I'd completed this sentence, -- [D.H.] | From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 12 14:33:51 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09269; Thu, 12 Oct 95 14:33:51 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17716; Thu, 12 Oct 95 14:26:25 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17710; Thu, 12 Oct 95 14:26:24 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t3V7n-00038CC; Thu, 12 Oct 95 14:25 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: skater@omni.voicenet.com (Don Medon) Subject: help with recieving mail..linux Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 00:19:15 LOCAL Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: 3) can it all be included in a script ie run pine, dial out, get mail, log out, read mail. 4) my setup is: stand alone 486 16mb 850mb hd dial in to voicenet.com..different ip number each time using slip..can use ppp if necessary user name is skater domain name is omni.voicenet.com smtp is omni.voicenet.com any help would be appreciated..I read the postings here every day.. don From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 12 14:39:17 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09531; Thu, 12 Oct 95 14:39:17 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22484; Thu, 12 Oct 95 14:36:26 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22478; Thu, 12 Oct 95 14:36:24 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t3VDv-00038CC; Thu, 12 Oct 95 14:31 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Re: removing those "sentmail" files? Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 11:01:56 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <45hfdh$eq@murphy.servtech.com> Status: O X-Status: On 11 Oct 1995, david romano wrote: > Is there a way to disable the saving of "sentmail" files or redirecting it > to a global one that I can purge in a crontab every night? [...] Saving of sent-messages is under your control. If you wish, you can set Pine up so that no outgoing message is saved unless you explicitly direct otherwise. Assuming you are using version 3.91, just go into Setup/Config. On the first screen is a field, "default-fcc:". If you set this to null, Pine should not save messages unless you tell it otherwise when composing. In this case, setting to null may mean either two double-quote marks abutted, or it might mean two double-quote marks with a space in between, I don't recall which. You might have to experiment slightly. Paul -------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett P. O. Box 857 Vienna, VA 22183-0857 U.S.A. Finger, keyserver, or email for PGP 2.6 public key -------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 12 16:20:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13328; Thu, 12 Oct 95 16:20:06 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20418; Thu, 12 Oct 95 16:16:41 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20412; Thu, 12 Oct 95 16:16:39 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t3WrH-00038CC; Thu, 12 Oct 95 16:16 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: marcelo@carpa.ciagri.usp.br (Marcelo Zacarias) Subject: Re: "Full Headers ON" by default Date: 10 Oct 1995 15:34:31 GMT Message-Id: <45e3q7$e0r@bee.uspnet.usp.br> References: <4575cu$9c5@bee.uspnet.usp.br> <45bt7n$1hg@bee.uspnet.usp.br> Status: O X-Status: Well, "initial-keystroke-list=i,h,m" is doing the job (thanks to Bc. Vladimir Solnicky) but it doesn't work when pine is started with any option, of course (like pine -i). Thank you for the replies. -Marcelo. Marcelo Zacarias - USP/CIAGRI | Cx. Postal 9, CEP 13418-900, Piracicaba/SP System & Network Admin. | Fone: 0194-294373 / Bip: 0800-123124 (1022) Divisao de Redes & Hardware | ///////////////// Running LINUX and Plan 9 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 12 16:24:37 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13481; Thu, 12 Oct 95 16:24:37 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24971; Thu, 12 Oct 95 16:21:42 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24965; Thu, 12 Oct 95 16:21:40 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t3Wsx-00038DC; Thu, 12 Oct 95 16:17 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mitchell@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk (Paul Mitchell) Subject: Re: Why is IMAP not more popular? Date: 3 Oct 1995 09:37:37 GMT Message-Id: <44r091$fuk@scotsman.ed.ac.uk> References: <44p493$1dda@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> <44pm79$sv5@ratty.wolfe.net> Status: O X-Status: Nancy McGough (nancym@ii.com) wrote: > I think that the biggest reason is simply that people do not know about > IMAP. Yep - I'm not a PINE user, and so only came across IMAP very recently (in fact from another PINE user). And I've been a Unix sysadmin for 5 years. Certainly in the UK, there's very little talk of IMAP, which is disappointing, as it looks like it might be the answer to my configuration problems. That's if someone would answer my posting and tell me how to get it to work on Solaris with NIS (dig!). Paul -- \\\ ====\\-00====================================================================== C ^ Paul Mitchell Telephone (UK) 0131 650 6784 \ ~/ Dept of Physics & Astronomy Email P.S.Mitchell@ed.ac.uk --<> University of Edinburgh ====/ ||====================================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 12 17:15:04 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16378; Thu, 12 Oct 95 17:15:04 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21821; Thu, 12 Oct 95 17:11:48 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21812; Thu, 12 Oct 95 17:11:46 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t3XgM-00038CC; Thu, 12 Oct 95 17:09 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Steven C. King" Subject: Re: pine on VAX/VMS, quota exceeded...HELP!! Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 16:45:29 -0400 Message-Id: References: <01HWA6FZUZFMB9XPUU@mecn.mass.edu> <45j223$bmf@azure.acsu.buffalo.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <45j223$bmf@azure.acsu.buffalo.edu> Status: O X-Status: On 12 Oct 1995, Jim Gerland wrote: > > In article <01HWA6FZUZFMB9XPUU@mecn.mass.edu>, WOR96ISB16@mecn.mass.edu writes: > |> I use regular vms mail, and can do something called compress on my > |> mail files which replaces the entire mail set up so that it is smaller, > |> reclaiming lots of disk space. Is there a similar command in pine? > > No, but just have him go into VMSMail and issue the COMPRESS command and then > remember to exit MAIL adn DELETE MAIL.OLD;* (However, the COMPRESS command > within MAIL will probably abort because once you're over quota you don't have any > disk space left to create the temporary mail file. > Jim... He still should be able to compress his mail file because MAIL is installed with the EXQUOTA privilege. Otherwise, he would really be in a rut. I was over quota before, and I could still compress my mail. {--------------------------------------------------------------------------} { Name: Steven C. King Institution: Florida State University } { Addr: sck4518@garnet.acns.fsu.edu Major field: MM Performance } { stevekng@freenet.fsu.edu Instrument: Clarinet, piano (hobby) } { cujo@tweety.csv.eku.edu Last words: Gravity. Why fight it? } {--------------------------------------------------------------------------} From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 12 18:03:48 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17966; Thu, 12 Oct 95 18:03:48 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27350; Thu, 12 Oct 95 18:01:55 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27344; Thu, 12 Oct 95 18:01:53 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t3YVK-00038CC; Thu, 12 Oct 95 18:01 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Artur Wojdat Subject: Pico - How to ? Date: 12 Oct 1995 21:57:32 GMT Message-Id: <45k30c$feu@flood.weeg.uiowa.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: I'm interested in using pico editor on my mashine. I got a copy of binary file from an ftp site but I'm having problems using it. I get some sort of segmentation fault (core dumped). Any suggestions on what should I do? Thanx in advance Artur From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 12 20:16:13 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21632; Thu, 12 Oct 95 20:16:13 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24947; Thu, 12 Oct 95 20:12:13 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24941; Thu, 12 Oct 95 20:12:11 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t3aUm-00038CC; Thu, 12 Oct 95 20:09 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: schake@tesuque.cs.sandia.gov (Stefan Chakerian) Subject: Re: X11 front-end to Pine ? Date: 12 Oct 1995 17:18:33 -0600 Message-Id: <45k7o9$o5u@tesuque.cs.sandia.gov> References: <45gmu9$31b@ccpnws.in2p3.fr> Status: O X-Status: Bernard PERROT wrote: >Is there an X11 front-end to pine ? % xterm -ls -ut -g -0-0 -e pine -feature-list=no-enable-suspend & 1/2 ;-) stef perrot Cc'ed on posting. -- Stefan Chakerian Good, fast, cheap. Pick two. schake@tesuque.cs.sandia.gov From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 12 21:02:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22881; Thu, 12 Oct 95 21:02:06 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00481; Thu, 12 Oct 95 20:57:19 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00475; Thu, 12 Oct 95 20:57:17 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t3bEy-00038CC; Thu, 12 Oct 95 20:57 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mike Jagdis Subject: Re: URGENT: Need HELP!! Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 10:08:34 GMT Message-Id: References: <8126362734211@inet.uni-c.dk> Status: O X-Status: Alexander Stigsen said >Do anyone out there know how to use pound signs in email messages. >My best guess until now is (ASCII: 163) but I am not sure that >everybody can read this. >It is really importent for me to get this resolved fast so if anybody >have a definitive answer to this please email me.. You can't without knowing what the person on the recieving end is using. For instance, the above (which I assume is ISO-8859-1?) appears as a 'u' with an acute accent with a PC character set (some PC terminal emulators, Wyse terminals etc.). If you use MIME (which, since you are posting to the Pine newsgroup I assume you are) you can specify the character set you intended the message to be viewed in but you can't ensure that the recipient has that character set or can convert to it reliably. The answer is to spell out "pounds" in full. In fact you should qualify it with "sterling" or whatever since not all pounds are the same. A similar point should apply to the use of "dollars" since they are even more variable than pounds. Mike -- Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Voice: +44 1734 890403 Fax: +44 1734 891192 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 12 21:05:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22968; Thu, 12 Oct 95 21:05:06 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00575; Thu, 12 Oct 95 21:02:23 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00569; Thu, 12 Oct 95 21:02:22 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t3bHn-00038HC; Thu, 12 Oct 95 20:59 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: oa@phoenix.net (Rick Lutowski) Subject: Re: Can I read POP mail in unix?? Date: 13 Oct 1995 02:25:07 GMT Message-Id: <45kim3$k03@gryphon.phoenix.net> References: <45i4sh$a46@agate.berkeley.edu> <44md5a$13ui@news.mindspring.com> <45bcau$mkq@millie.scn.de> <45gtng$f3o@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Status: O X-Status: alansz@mellers1.psych.berkeley.edu (Alan Schwartz) wrote: >Terrance M. Darcey writes: >> >>I have a similar need, but would like to have a character-based unix POP client...When I'm on my PC I use Eudora, but sometimes i can only telnet to a unix >>host...I can't login directly to the POP server from there, but would like >>to read the mail that is stored on the POP server...No X-windows from my telnet >>session... > >Use archie to find the program 'popclient' >It will download your mail from the pop server to a local unix account, >which you can read with /bin/mail, Mail, elm, or whatever. > popclient may be downloaded from ftp.mal.com/pub/pop. Sunsite no longer carries it. I installed it recently under Linux and it works great. Compiled without any problem. Is small, (relatively) simple, and effective at fetching mail from POP3 servers. Loads the mail into your local machine's mailbox, and you read it from there using "mail" (or Pine) just as if it was sent directly to your local machine. All character-based, no GUIs or anything - it's so simple it doesn't need them. IMHO, the Pine people ought to contact the author about embedding popclient into Pine - stick it under a menu option or something. It's just what Pine needs (brass statement, since I know nothing about Pine internals!) -- +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Rick Lutowski oa@phoenix.net 713-332-7281 | | Object Access (soon)http://www.phoenix.net/~oa 713-554-7617 | | --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- | | The source for Programmer's Reusable Libraries (TM) oa=OO | +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 12 21:05:22 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23001; Thu, 12 Oct 95 21:05:22 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25701; Thu, 12 Oct 95 21:02:19 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25695; Thu, 12 Oct 95 21:02:18 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t3bFk-00038CC; Thu, 12 Oct 95 20:57 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: steck@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Steckler) Subject: Re: Why is IMAP not more popular? Message-Id: References: <44p493$1dda@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> <44pci6$710@linux.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 09:30:34 GMT Status: RO X-Status: In article <44pci6$710@linux.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> roseman@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Mark Roseman) writes: >my call on this is that there are simply no good clients out there. >the no good clients equates to little demand in the marketplace. > >in my experience, most sites looking to set up internet mail will >go for an accepted standard (namely pop/eudora). there are a >minority that spend enough time looking into the issues deep >enough to really understand their own needs, and those are the >ones that tend to be looking for imap stuff. but most people >don't know, and probably don't have the expertise to know. When I developed my WinBiff program (a Windows email notifier), I went for POP3 first. That's where the current demand is. It was almost trivial to add IMAP support, because the IMAP protocol, while offering more options, isn't that different from POP3. Adding IMAP was about 100 lines of code, not much. I think the Eudora people could add IMAP support almost as easily. -- Paul -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Paul Steckler | World-Wide Web: | | steck@dcs.ed.ac.uk | URL = http://www.dcs.ed.ac.uk/home/steck | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 12 21:30:27 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23573; Thu, 12 Oct 95 21:30:27 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26046; Thu, 12 Oct 95 21:27:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26040; Thu, 12 Oct 95 21:27:20 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t3bhs-00038CC; Thu, 12 Oct 95 21:26 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Moshe Segal Subject: Problem with DOS Pico Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 20:19:22 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: In an attempt to use Pico instead of the MSDOS editor, I encountered a problem. I made sure Pico.exe was in my path; I have it in my \dos directory. I tried it, using the -w switch, to edit Autoexec.bat. It had no problem bringing up the file and allowing me to edit it. But when it came time to quit, after saving the buffer, I got a message: "cannot open file for writing. With some experimentation, I discovered that it will write to a file if it is in the same directory as pico.exe, but not otherwise. Is there a switch or environment variable that can rectify this? Do not look at the flask Moshe E. Segal But at what it contains 1336 Cory Drive A new flask may be filled with old wine Dayton, Oh 45406 And an old flask may be empty even of new wine (513) 279-0438 (Ethics of the Fathers 4:27) s010mes@discover.wright.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 12 21:42:47 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23915; Thu, 12 Oct 95 21:42:47 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01103; Thu, 12 Oct 95 21:37:23 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01097; Thu, 12 Oct 95 21:37:22 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t3bqi-00038CC; Thu, 12 Oct 95 21:36 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jimm@dcd.wa.gov.au (Jim) Subject: Re: Why is IMAP not more popular? (fwd) Date: 13 Oct 1995 03:51:22 GMT Message-Id: <45knnq$16m@styx.uwa.edu.au> References: <44v1hr$hc@bug.rahul.net> <45112t$qio@ratty.wolfe.net> <30778174.1E94@eskimo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Status: O X-Status: In article <30778174.1E94@eskimo.com>, robla@eskimo.com says... Rahul Dhesi writes: >2. User's incoming mailbox may be accessed via traditinal server-based >programs such as pine, elm, and MH. User's incoming mailbox may also >be accessed via specific TCP/IP-based protocols including POP3 and >IMAP. > >Now you are giving your users many choices. My office has several hundred users who use Pine email via telnet to our Sun server. We would like to give users the option of using one of the new Windows client mail programs such as Eudora, Email Connection, or Pegasus. The problem is that our users move around alot; one day they may be on their home PC and use Eudora, the next; they will be on a Pine (via telnet) PC. If I use default Pop settings, the user's Unix mailbox will be emptied (Not good). If I tell the Pop client not to delete mail on server, the user gets a dozen copies of their unread mail (full load on each mail check). Is there a way to make Pop grab only messages that the client doesnt already have in their local PC inbox ? Thanks you any help Jim jimm@fcs.wa.gov.au From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 12 21:52:24 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24118; Thu, 12 Oct 95 21:52:24 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01243; Thu, 12 Oct 95 21:45:55 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tortoise.oise.on.ca by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01237; Thu, 12 Oct 95 21:45:52 -0700 Received: by tortoise.oise.on.ca (5.0/SMI-SVR4 (rsm940906)) id AA04949; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 00:45:04 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 00:45:04 -0400 (EDT) From: William McQueen To: Pine-info List Subject: Off-line Readers for MAC and PC Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 591 Status: O X-Status: I am trying to help a friend who needs a little more time to respond to her mail since she uses a morris code system of sip and puff. I use a PC, she uses a MAC. Both of us have UNIX and PINE 3.91. Any suggestions for reading and writing off-line. Thanks very much. Bill McQueen in Toronto .________________________________________________________. | | | wmcqueen@oise.on.ca | | "Life is a seamless robe of learning!" | |________________________________________________________| From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 12 22:49:00 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25156; Thu, 12 Oct 95 22:49:00 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27138; Thu, 12 Oct 95 22:42:33 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27132; Thu, 12 Oct 95 22:42:31 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t3csR-00038EC; Thu, 12 Oct 95 22:41 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Janet Marsten Subject: Reading News with Pine: marking read articles Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 18:16:33 +0000 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hello, I like using Pine for both News and Mail, but my only gripe is the way Pine marks news articles as 'read'. I understand that the manner in which news is marked in Pine is done 1) within the limitations of what is stored in the .newsrc file and 2) it is as consistent as possible with Pine mail. However, I'm not interested in deleting/excluding articles - all I'd like would be an 'N' if I hadn't read the article, and no 'N' if I had. Is this possible in Pine ? I've tried the news-approximates-new-status option, but found that to be even more confusing. thanks, --- Janet Marsten, Musselburgh, Scotland (janet@morton.demon.co.uk) Phone/Fax: 0131 653 6124 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 13 04:46:36 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02936; Fri, 13 Oct 95 04:46:36 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07248; Fri, 13 Oct 95 04:38:34 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07242; Fri, 13 Oct 95 04:38:32 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t3iPy-00038CC; Fri, 13 Oct 95 04:36 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Steven C. King" Subject: Fixed! (was Missing "From" Header???) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 12:42:12 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: After help with the local consultants, we managed to fix the problem. I've posted this from Pine instead of Tin. It turned out that Pine 3.91 had a problem handling my personal name. First, it was "Love is not shared pleasure. It's shared pain." only without the quotes, and either Pine or the NNTP server didn't like it. So I tried it with the quotes, and they didn't like that either. Finally, I deleted the personal, which Pine then sets it from the passwd file. Mine is now "Steven C. King", with the quotes, and now I can post. ?????????????? Go figure. Again, thanks to those who provided assistance in clearing this problem up. :) {--------------------------------------------------------------------------} { Name: Steven C. King Institution: Florida State University } { Addr: sck4518@garnet.acns.fsu.edu Major field: MM Performance } { stevekng@freenet.fsu.edu Instrument: Clarinet, piano (hobby) } { cujo@tweety.csv.eku.edu Last words: Gravity. Why fight it? } {--------------------------------------------------------------------------} From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 13 05:02:07 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03428; Fri, 13 Oct 95 05:02:07 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02671; Fri, 13 Oct 95 04:53:36 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02665; Fri, 13 Oct 95 04:53:34 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t3idw-00038CC; Fri, 13 Oct 95 04:51 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Steven C. King" Subject: Re: pine on VAX/VMS, quota exceeded...HELP!! Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 23:30:34 -0400 Message-Id: References: <01HWA6FZUZFMB9XPUU@mecn.mass.edu> <45j223$bmf@azure.acsu.buffalo.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 12 Oct 1995, Steven C. King wrote: > On 12 Oct 1995, Jim Gerland wrote: > > > > > In article <01HWA6FZUZFMB9XPUU@mecn.mass.edu>, WOR96ISB16@mecn.mass.edu writes: > > |> I use regular vms mail, and can do something called compress on my > > |> mail files which replaces the entire mail set up so that it is smaller, > > |> reclaiming lots of disk space. Is there a similar command in pine? > > > > No, but just have him go into VMSMail and issue the COMPRESS command and then > > remember to exit MAIL adn DELETE MAIL.OLD;* (However, the COMPRESS command > > within MAIL will probably abort because once you're over quota you don't have any > > disk space left to create the temporary mail file. > > Jim... > > He still should be able to compress his mail file because MAIL is > installed with the EXQUOTA privilege. Otherwise, he would really be in a > rut. I was over quota before, and I could still compress my mail. And I was a little bit off the subject. If you want to compress in Pine, you'll have to mark the messages you don't want as Deleted. That's about all you can do to "compress" from Pine I do believe. {--------------------------------------------------------------------------} { Name: Steven C. King Institution: Florida State University } { Addr: sck4518@garnet.acns.fsu.edu Major field: MM Performance } { stevekng@freenet.fsu.edu Instrument: Clarinet, piano (hobby) } { cujo@tweety.csv.eku.edu Last words: Gravity. Why fight it? } {--------------------------------------------------------------------------} From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 13 05:16:10 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03746; Fri, 13 Oct 95 05:16:10 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07616; Fri, 13 Oct 95 05:03:38 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07610; Fri, 13 Oct 95 05:03:36 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t3ioz-00038CC; Fri, 13 Oct 95 05:02 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: georgi@BelWue.DE (Juergen Georgi) Subject: Re: Can I read POP mail in unix?? Date: 13 Oct 1995 11:19:51 GMT Message-Id: <45li0n$kuo@news.belwue.de> References: <45gu0s$f3o@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Status: O X-Status: In article <45gu0s$f3o@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, darcey@wrjva3.dhmc.dartmouth.edu (Terrance M. Darcey) writes: > [...] >I would like to have a character-based unix POP client...I can't login to my POP server and would like to read that mail from a unix acct (telnet session) when I'm away from my PC/Eudora setup...It appears that XF-Mail is a X-Windows POP client... > >Any help would be appreciated... > >Terrance M. Darcey, Ph.D. >terrance.darcey@dartmouth.edu > I found this posting in my archives -- Juergen From: pauls@locust.cic.net (Paul Southworth) Date: 22 Dec 1994 22:29:40 GMT Organization: CICNet, Inc. Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc, alt.sources Subject: simple unix popmail client available Interested in a simple POP3 client for Unix? I spent a few minutes cleaning up the MIT popmail (UCB Mail + POP3) kit and stuck it on ftp.cic.net:/pub/Software/unix/mail/popmail.shar.gz Should build on BSD-ish systems without much fuss. This is a redistribution of the rtfm.mit.edu:/pub/popmail distribution. All credit goes to the original authors. (But some of us can't deal with Athena Imakefiles ;) Good for testing POP servers. Also works as a normal Berkeley mail client. Enjoy. #!/bin/sh -n echo "yes this is a source posting" exit 0 -- Paul Southworth CICNet Systems Support pauls@cic.net From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 13 08:17:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08955; Fri, 13 Oct 95 08:17:06 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05673; Fri, 13 Oct 95 08:07:11 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from faxon.ca by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05667; Fri, 13 Oct 95 08:07:08 -0700 Received: by faxon.ca (5.4R2.01/192.139.186.253) id AA20024; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 16:44:16 -0400 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 16:44:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Dion Vansevenant To: Pine Messages Subject: X.400 addresses Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: I think I saw something about this posted to the list previously, but I have not been on lately so I don't remember what the outcome was. Could anyone please tell me if Pine can send messages to an X.400 address. We need to communicate with another company and would like to see if we can do so with the our current resources. We use sendmail as our mail transport and Pine as our mail reader. Please email all responses to me as I am no longer subscribed to the list. TIA. Dion *----------------------------------------------* | Dion Vansevenant dion@faxon.ca email | | Faxon Canada Ltd. (519) 472-1006 voice | | London, ON Canada (519) 472-1072 fax | *----------------------------------------------* From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 13 10:59:41 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17440; Fri, 13 Oct 95 10:59:41 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10215; Fri, 13 Oct 95 10:54:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10209; Fri, 13 Oct 95 10:54:19 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t3oIR-00038CC; Fri, 13 Oct 95 10:53 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Carlos A. Pero" Subject: Change encoding for Attachments? Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 11:25:35 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I've just started playing around with PINE, and realized that the default MIME encoding for Attachments is BASE64. I don't know much about MIME, but I would guess this is the de-facto standard. The only problem I have is that if I want to attach a simple text file, it gets BASE64'd for no real purpose. I like the convenience of Pine's attachment viewer, but there are A LOT of people who don't use MIME-aware tools. Yes, it's their loss, but is there some way I can specify that a text attachment not be encoded at all? Or how about BinHex or something? -Carlos --------------------------------------------------- Carlos A. Pero | VP Technology carlosp@ravenna.com | The Ravenna Consortium --------------------------------------------------- The Ravenna Consortium http://www.ravenna.com/ --------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 13 11:05:10 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17832; Fri, 13 Oct 95 11:05:10 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14860; Fri, 13 Oct 95 10:59:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14854; Fri, 13 Oct 95 10:59:19 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t3oNj-00038CC; Fri, 13 Oct 95 10:58 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Sven Guckes Subject: Re: Changing "From" Header in pine Date: 13 Oct 95 14:54:14 GMT Message-Id: References: <44v5kb$6pk@universe.digex.net> Status: O X-Status: harry@universe.digex.net (Harry Jensen) writes: >Is it possible to change the "From" header in pine so that when I send a mail >to somebody it appears that the mail is coming from a different address? Even if it was possible - it is not a good idea to send mail from address A and make it look like it came from address B. >I would be getting a second e-mail address soon, and although I would like to >send e-mails from both accounts, I would prefer that I receive replies to one >account only. In that case you should add a "Reply-To: address" header to your mail which tells MUAs to send replies to the address stored within. >If it cannot be done in pine, can it be done by any other mail program such >as elm? Yes, it can be done with ELM. You can have the "Reply-To:" added to each outbound mail by adding it to the "elmheaders" file. Take a look at this page for more info: http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/elm/elm.forwarding.html Sven Cc: harry@universe.digex.net (Harry Jensen) -- ELM - the "Easy Learn Mail" program. Newsgroup: comp.mail.elm The "ELM Pages" - all about ELM on the World Wide Web: http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/elm/ ELM versions: Latest release: ELM2.4PL24 [940920] Latest ME patch: ELM2.4PL24ME8b [951012] Latest alpha: ELM2.5a08 [950908] From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 13 11:44:01 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20053; Fri, 13 Oct 95 11:44:01 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11330; Fri, 13 Oct 95 11:38:23 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from Farstar.secapl.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11324; Fri, 13 Oct 95 11:38:21 -0700 Received: from Cookie.secapl.com (Cookie.secapl.com [192.108.247.19]) by Farstar.secapl.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA104422 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 13:35:51 -0500 Received: by Cookie.secapl.com id AA235586 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 13:39:25 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 13:39:25 -0500 (CDT) From: Carla Golden To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Printing in Pine In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Is there a way to configure pine so that when I send something to the printer it can say "printed by carla" or "submitted by carla" at the top of the page? Thanks From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 13 12:34:22 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22569; Fri, 13 Oct 95 12:34:22 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12630; Fri, 13 Oct 95 12:29:33 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12624; Fri, 13 Oct 95 12:29:31 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t3pig-00038CC; Fri, 13 Oct 95 12:24 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jimv@cs.UCR.EDU (james vassilakos) Subject: Pico: autowrapping on Next Date: 10 Oct 1995 18:07:03 GMT Message-Id: <45eco7$bei@galaxy.ucr.edu> Status: O X-Status: Apologies in advance if this is off-topic. I'm a newbie who's about as newbieish as they get. I grabbed the Next and SunOS pico executables from ftp.cac.washington.edu. The SunOS one worked great. The Next one, however, had a problem. Whenever you edit a line, it tries to justify it for you. The situation is so bad that you can't even break a line in half. It simply won't let you. I tried compiling from source and got the same problem. Can you tell me why the Next is causing pico to behave like this? Is there some setting which must be made prior to compilation in order to keep this from occuring? jimv@cs.ucr.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 13 13:28:50 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25220; Fri, 13 Oct 95 13:28:50 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18703; Fri, 13 Oct 95 13:24:39 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18697; Fri, 13 Oct 95 13:24:37 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t3qcW-00038CC; Fri, 13 Oct 95 13:22 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Re: Problem with DOS Pico Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 09:43:56 -0400 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 12 Oct 1995, Moshe Segal wrote: > In an attempt to use Pico instead of the MSDOS editor, I encountered a > problem. I made sure Pico.exe was in my path; I have it in my \dos > problem. [...] I tried it, using the -w switch, to edit Autoexec.bat. > [...] Did your autoexec.bat file have the read-only attribute set? I keep mine read-only to help avoid accidental deletion. That might explain your problem. Paul -------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett P. O. Box 857 Vienna, VA 22183-0857 U.S.A. Finger, keyserver, or email for PGP 2.6 public key -------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 13 16:24:09 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03913; Fri, 13 Oct 95 16:24:09 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18320; Fri, 13 Oct 95 16:19:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18314; Fri, 13 Oct 95 16:19:19 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t3tMd-00038CC; Fri, 13 Oct 95 16:18 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: azanatta@adam.com.au (angelo zanatta) Subject: How to filter mail? Date: 13 Oct 95 21:52: 7 GMT Message-Id: <45mok9$51@news.mel.aone.net.au> Status: O X-Status: Hello, How do you filter incoming mail by sender, and then reply to that mail with standard message. Then delete that mail once its done. thanks in advance Angelo Zanatta azanatta@adam.com.au From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 13 16:52:17 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08061; Fri, 13 Oct 95 16:52:17 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23672; Fri, 13 Oct 95 16:49:25 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23666; Fri, 13 Oct 95 16:49:23 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t3toW-00038CC; Fri, 13 Oct 95 16:46 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pmurphy@carbon.cudenver.edu (Paul Murphy) Subject: Re: Getting Mail headers without mail prog??? Date: 13 Oct 1995 11:03:55 -0600 Message-Id: <45m65r$tvc@carbon.cudenver.edu> References: <45bj41$71u@nic-nac.CSU.net> <45dr6q$pq@catapult.gatech.edu> Status: O X-Status: Chris (gt1355b@acmey.gatech.edu) wrote: : Dan LeGate (dlegate@rsa.csuhayward.edu) wrote: : : knowledge, pine doesn't have a simple command-line feature to do this - : : correct me if I'm wrong. So my question is: does anyone know of any : : SMALL utilities out there that will list just your mail headers (besides : : mail and mailx)? Thanks for any help or information you can provide. : In pine, when you want to see full headers, it's either h or H (I forget which) : . You might have to turn this on while you're actually reading a letter, but : then it's on at other times as well (for example, it quotes the full header : when replying). That's the closest to what you want that pine gets (I think). In pine, go to the main menu, then setup|config. Then, 'w' to search for the word header in the config screen. When you find 'enable-full-headers-command' check it. Then, the command is 'h' or 'H', (not case sensitive). Now if anyone can tell me why the similar command in 'tin' fails for me, I'll be happy. (Ctrl-h resultxs in 'Bad Command' error message. Maybe it thinks I'm trying to backspace) Oh, by the way, I trimmed the huge list of newsgroups that this question was originally posted on. -- pmurphy@carbon.cudenver.edu University of Colorado @ Denver DOS is the wound. Windows is the scab. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 13 17:30:08 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10356; Fri, 13 Oct 95 17:30:08 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20153; Fri, 13 Oct 95 17:24:31 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20147; Fri, 13 Oct 95 17:24:29 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t3uNX-00038DC; Fri, 13 Oct 95 17:23 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Leif Erlingsson Subject: 400 lines. Pine3.91-8bit Patch, Sendmail8.7, 8bit turns into Quoted-Printable, Pine Q-P "bug". Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 17:14:55 +0100 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Status: O X-Status: Total length of this USENET News article = 170 lines + 230 lines = 400 lines. The last 230 lines is a re-post of an older USENET News article. Synopsis: Pine3.91-8bit Patch, Sendmail8.7, 8bit turns into Quoted-Printable, or why 8bit properly labeled E-Mail's turns into Quoted-Printable. Pine 3.91 features + bugs in SNMP Software & Local Delivery Agents cause mail in Quoted-Printable format from Pine to be CUT. Re-Post of E-Mail CUT TO 1/2. Older USENET News Article posted in comp.mail.elm, mime, sendmail posted maybe Oct 2 or Oct 3, Subject: E-Mail CUT TO 1/2. posted maybe Oct 2 or Oct 3. Included below my .signature, 156 lines down! Slogan: Avoid Quoted-Printable! Keywords: sendmail 8.7, Mime, Pine, 8bit, Quoted-Printable, base64, Pine-8bit Good News: :-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-: I was able to add two new features to Pine 3.91 that makes it possible to send mail using `Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit' instead of `Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable' thanks to patches supplied by Per Hedeland , and originally from Ming-Yen Hsu : Hi, following patch added two new features for Pine which can be set from Setup in Pine and controlled from pinerc. * enable-send-only-8bit Send out 8 bit character with 8BIT content-transfer-encoding instead of QP or BASE64. * enable-8bit-in-subject Allow 8 bit editing in Subject field. These two features should be useful if you and recipient are both using 8 bit clean MTAs, and the MUA is not MIME capable. Disable these features if you find there were MTAs which will strip message into 7 bit. Hope this help before Pine 3.92 comes to real. :-) PS: The patch is also available by a email to myhsu@db.csie.ncu.edu.tw with "Retrieve pine-for-8bit" in the Subject field. :-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-: Bad News: :-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-: Sendmail 8.7 can handle this well, but not previous Sendmail's, so when sendmail 8.7 is used to send mail to non-8BITMIME machines without the new F=8 mailer flag (see SENDMAIL RELEASE NOTES below), the default behaviour is to convert labelled 8BITMIME input to 7BIT as required. This will happen if the input is 8bit and properly labeled as 8bit (as it would be from the patched Pine or exmh) and contains characters with the eighth bit set. What happens then is that sendmail 8.7, using the code in mime.c, outputs the 8 bit body in 7 bit format, usually, if less than or exactly 1/8 of the total characters have the eighth bit set, using Quoted-Printable. If more than 1/8 of the total characters have the eighth bit set, mime.c (sendmail 8.7) will use base64. The `well, not too bad' news is that sendmail 8.7 can be configured to let 8bit slip through unharmed even to non-8BITMIME machines using the F=8 mailer flag in sendmail.cf. LET'S PRAY ALL SWEDISH SENDMAIL ADMINISTRATORS DOES THIS! SENDMAIL RELEASE NOTES @(#)RELEASE_NOTES 8.7 (Berkeley) 9/17/95 [..................] Eight-to-seven bit MIME conversions. This borrows ideas from John Beck of Hewlett-Packard, who generously contributed their implementation to me, which I then didn't use (see mime.c for an explanation of why). This adds the EightBitMode option (a.k.a. `8') and an F=8 mailer flag to control handling of 8-bit data. These have to cope with two types of 8-bit data: unlabelled 8-bit data (that is, 8-bit data that is entered without declaring it as 8-bit MIME -- technically this is illegal according to the specs) and labelled 8-bit data (that is, it was declared as 8BITMIME in the ESMTP session or by using the -B8BITMIME command line flag). If the F=8 mailer flag is set then 8-bit data is sent to non-8BITMIME machines instead of converting to 7 bit (essentially using just-send-8 semantics). The values for EightBitMode are: m convert unlabelled 8-bit input to 8BITMIME, and do any necessary conversion of 8BITMIME to 7BIT (essentially, the full MIME option). p pass unlabelled 8-bit input, but convert labelled 8BITMIME input to 7BIT as required (default). s strict adherence: reject unlabelled 8-bit input, convert 8BITMIME to 7BIT as required. The F=8 flag is ignored. Unlabelled 8-bit data is rejected in mode `s' regardless of the setting of F=8. :-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-: Worse News (but old news): :-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-: According to RFC 1521 he Quoted-Printable encoding REQUIRES that encoded lines be no more than 76 characters long. See below excerpt. BUT PINE 3.91 CONVERTS A LINE EXACTLY 76 CHARACTERS LONG AS IF IT WAS TOO LONG! This can cause serious problems, if the line is a sentence ending with a `.' in the 76'th and last position. Pine 3.91 will then move down the `.' to a separate line, and put a `=' in position 76 on the original line. Pine would be better off doing nothing with this line, but as it is, a new line consisting of a single `.' is created. This is BAAAAD, because there exist a lot of Local Delivery Agents, mis- configured sendmail.cf's and old firewall software out there that will CUT A MESSAGE AT THIS POINT! It is ***UNWISE*** to say the least, to send an E-mail containing a line consisting of a single `.'. Known culprits: Some different Delivery Agents used from the Mlocal line in sendmail.cf, like HP-UX /bin/mail or some version(s) of "mail.local". Suspected culprits: TIS Firewall Toolkit 'smapd' ("from what I can see in the source-code, it calls sendmail without the '-oi'", Per Hedeland writes.) This is part of my motive for NOT WANTING the Quoted-Printable encoding, but rather the 8bit. It is actually a combination of a MUA (Pine) `Feature', and a number of bugs and misconfigurations on the Internet that is the culprits. ALSO SEE USENET News Article posted in comp.mail.elm, mime, sendmail Subject: E-Mail CUT TO 1/2. Keywords: Local Delivery Agents, smapd, Pine, Quoted-Printable, ... posted maybe Oct 2 or Oct 3. Included below my .signature Borenstein & Freed [Page 18-19] RFC 1521 MIME September 1993 Rule #5 (Soft Line Breaks): The Quoted-Printable encoding REQUIRES that encoded lines be no more than 76 characters long. If longer lines are to be encoded with the Quoted-Printable encoding, 'soft' line breaks must be used. An equal sign as the last character on a encoded line indicates such a non-significant ('soft') line break in the encoded text. Thus if the "raw" form of the line is a single unencoded line that says: Now's the time for all folk to come to the aid of their country. This can be represented, in the Quoted-Printable encoding, as Now's the time = for all folk to come= to the aid of their country. This provides a mechanism with which long lines are encoded in such a way as to be restored by the user agent. The 76 character limit does not count the trailing CRLF, but counts all other characters, including any equal signs. :-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-: /Leif Erlingsson, home: work: Tel: +46 8 604 0995 Tel: +46 8 764 8495 Fax: +46 8 604 0995 (ask 1'st) Fax: +46 8 29 4975 E-mail: Leif.Erlingsson@mailbox.swipnet.se E-mail: leierl@rsv.svskt.se ########################################################################### ###### USENET News Article posted in ... comp.mail.elm, mime, sendmail ########################################################################### Subject: E-Mail CUT TO 1/2. Keywords: Local Delivery Agents, smapd, Pine, Quoted-Printable, ... Keywords: local Delivery Agents, Pine, Quoted-Printable, smapd, SMTP, sendmail, MIME, mail.local, procmail, mail, rmail Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm (since Pine comes from elm), comp.mail.mime, comp.mail.sendmail ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ Synopsis: This is an attempt to summarise problems uncovered in divers places and programs used in E-mail delivery in connection with e.g. Quoted-Printable coded E-Mail (e.g. from Pine) and other mail that may contain "." - lines. It turns out that problems can arise in several places, depending on operating system and sendmail distribution version and configuration. ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ Summary: See above Synopsis. E-Mail can easily contain "." lines without the user being aware of this. In several places along an E-Mails path to the recipient, anything from the "." to the end of the message may be lost. Quoted-Printable coding may produce "."-lines, where there was none before! Known culprits: Some different Delivery Agents used from the Mlocal line in sendmail.cf, like HP-UX /bin/mail or some version(s) of "mail.local". Suspected culprits: TIS Firewall Toolkit 'smapd' ("from what I can see in the source-code, it calls sendmail without the '-oi'", Per Hedeland writes, see below). Now follows extracts from some interesting E-Mails, 1'st from Per Hedeland, in translation from Swedish: ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ Per Hedeland wrote Mon Oct 2, in translation: > > ... on both HP-UX 9 and Solaris 2 [/bin/mail and /bin/rmail] is the same > program. Additionally, the HP-UX man-page says: > > When persons are named, mail takes the standard input up to an end- > of-file (or up to a line consisting of just a .) and adds it to each > person's mailfile. > > But also (under WARNINGS): > > mail treats a line consisting solely of a dot (.) as the end of the > message, except when the rmail -d command is used. > > (that also checks out if one tests it). So in HP-UX it's /bin/rmail that one > should use in Mlocal, which HP's sendmail.cf also does, as well as the one > generated by sendmail 8.7 - but not the one generated by 8.6 (though easily > fixed in .mc, of course). > > In Solaris [2] one has choosen another track: > > It reads from the standard input up to an end-of-file > (CTRL-D) or, if reading from a terminal device, until it > reads a line consisting of just a period. > > - so there it's OK with /bin/mail in Mlocal. To increase the confusion, in > SunOS 4 (where the man-page is found under 'binmail', 'mail' is ucbmail) > it says: > > When addresses are named, /usr/bin/mail takes the standard > input up to an EOF (or a line with just `.') and routes it > through the mailer daemon to each recipient. > > - even though it isn't any problem with using /bin/mail in Mlocal. I don't > know what makes it disregard the '.', perhaps it's the '-d' that sendmail > supplies (and which isn't even in the man-page) - without the -d > mails are cut [that contains single "." line(s)], but if this depends on > /bin/mail itself does it or because it gives the letter to sendmail without > -oi is a little difficult to figure out. > > But none of this explains why your *outgoing* mails (from RSV, see below) > to me [Per Hedeland ] are cut - I first figured that > uucp was involved since it says 'from uucp@localhost' in one of the > Received:-lines, but it doesn't seem to be so. Rather, it seems to be > your 'smapd' that executes as user 'uucp'. That is of course no problem > in itself, but I actually believe that smapd is the culprit there - from > what I can see in the source-code, it calls sendmail without the '-oi'. > > The bottom line is perhaps that You were right in Your News-article after > all, lonely dots can cause problems in many places, if not really in SMTP - > and a good Quoted-Printable-coder should make sure that they are not > generated (or even let through uncoded - at least that would make the > stupid thing useful for something :-). > > ... [Per also quoted a test-line containing a single "." sent from swip.net to him, to show that he received mail from swip.net / swipnet.se correct (as opposed from rsv.svskt.se).] ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ Keith Moore says Sat, 30 Sep: > > Leif Erlingsson says Fri, 29 Sep, in comp.mail.mime, comp.mail.elm: > > > > We can't expect all old mailers to be correctly configured! E-Mail can > > take many-a-strange route to it's destination. We must not count on > > everything being correctly configured! > > What you're really saying is: > > We can't expect mailers to implement SMTP properly! > > I don't buy it. SMTP's dot quoting algorithm takes about two lines > of C code to implement. It's difficult to imagine a framing protocol > that would be simpler. Use of the dot quoting algorithm in SMTP is NOT > optional, and there's no reason that an implementation should be > dependent on having a particular option flag set before it will work. > > > I say that Pine/MIME ought to be patched so a single "." NEVER appears > > alone on a line! Perhaps by rather cutting the line a little earlier to > > prevent this from happening. > > I see nothing wrong with avoiding "." at the beginning of a line when > generating quoted-printable. But the fact is that this is an MTA > problem, not a problem with Pine or MIME. > > Keith > Keith is of course right, that it's a MTA problem. But my philosophy is to try to avoid potential problems wherever possible while hoping (and working) for a better world! ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ Patrik Faltstrom wrote Sat, 30 Sep: > > At 06.22 95-09-29, Leif Erlingsson wrote: > >We can't expect all old mailers to be correctly configured! E-Mail can take > >many-a-strange route to it's destination. We must not count on everything > >being correctly configured! > > Wait a minute...by having a misconfigured mail configuration anything > can happen with your email. You can not say that we have to find > a solution that works with any misconfigured email system in the world. > > The problem with the hidden dot algorithm is not, to my knowledge, > that it is the smtp delivery agent that is misconfigured, but where > you have added your own delivery agents, such as emil, mail.local > or just anything. Depending on if those agents do use the hidden-dot > alogrithm or not, you have to add the X flag. You have the same > problem with some other flags, such as the flag u, which is > needed sometimes. > > IF the mailer is using the hidden dot algorithm (just in case) and the > receiver is not (i.e. mail.local is not) then you will end up having > two dots in your mail, and not one. > > Your proposal of forcing pine to use the hidden-dot algorithm only I never proposed this! I simply proposed to avoid single dot-lines, by always moving down a little more than the trailing "." from a line that was considered too long (or why not avoid moving it altogether!). /Leif > works if your mail happen to pass one mailer which uses the > algorithm, but you can not know if that is the case. > > Patrik > ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ Patrik Faltstrom wrote Mon Oct 2, in translation: > > At 06.22 95-09-29, Leif Erlingsson wrote: > >We can't expect all old mailers to be correctly configured! E-Mail can > >take many-a-strange route to it's destination. We must not count on > >everything being correctly configured! > > I just want to add that I see that You have an account with > mailbox.swip.net and that I discovered last week that they use a > broken mail.local, that is, it cuts letters at lonely dots, but if > there's two dots, none is removed. > > That is to say, the problems you have experienced may not be caused by > problems when the letters ENTER the mailsystem, but when they shall > EXIT it, down to Your mailbox. > > I've discussed this with Uffe at swipnet and I hope that the whole > issue can be solved as fast as possible. > > Patrik > Patrik is partly right. *MOST* of my problems is caused by local delivery agents. But not all. My initial problem mail *FROM* Leif Erlingsson *TO* Per Hedeland didn't fail for this reason. I managed to send identical mails *FROM* Leif Erlingsson *TO* Per Hedeland without any problems at all! Check out the letter from near the top of this very long E-mail. Search for the word 'smapd'! ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ Uffe Vedenbrant says Sun, 01 Oct in translation: > > > That is to say, the problems you have experienced may not be caused by > > problems when the letters ENTER the mailsystem, but when they shall > > EXIT it, down to Your mailbox. > > The program for local delivery, "mail.local", behaved a little funny, > like Patrik says. A new one picked from the latest sendmail distribution > seems to have solved the problem. > > Thanks for the remark. > > /Uffe > ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ /Leif Erlingsson, home: work: Tel: +46 8 604 0995 Tel: +46 8 764 8495 Fax: +46 8 604 0995 (ask 1'st) Fax: +46 8 29 4975 E-mail: Leif.Erlingsson@mailbox.swipnet.se E-mail: leierl@rsv.svskt.se I advocate procmail as local Delivery Agent! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 13 17:35:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10558; Fri, 13 Oct 95 17:35:12 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24724; Fri, 13 Oct 95 17:29:30 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24718; Fri, 13 Oct 95 17:29:28 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t3uRN-00038CC; Fri, 13 Oct 95 17:27 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: saken@chardos.connix.com (Scott Kenney) Subject: Re: Reading MH ``folders'' Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 16:33:47 GMT Message-Id: References: <9510111647.AA28745@dcdsv0.fnal.gov> Status: O X-Status: David L Miller (dlm@cac.washington.edu) wrote: : : : On Wed, 11 Oct 1995, Clyde Moseberry wrote: : : > > Also, is it possible to save messages into mh folders? : > : > not as far as I know -- there is all the requisite housekeeping : > (allocating sequences and such) for mh that pine doesn't to my : > knowledge speak : > : : Actually, the MH driver in Pine 3.91 has full read/write capability : and should work (I don't use MH myself, but I haven't heard of any bug : reports on this... ;) Pine works fine with MH folders, I used it for awhile myself. Another item not mentioned anywhere is adding #mhinbox to your incoming collection, this name is automatically associated to your MH inbox. -- scott kenney*saken@chardos.connix.com*freebsd hacker*toriphile*169 days veteran of the psychic wars * charter member ael fanclub * geek nomad of the time streams * orgonaut * agent of fortune * pita * pigtailed * disgruntled postal employee * blood red game player From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 13 18:11:43 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11656; Fri, 13 Oct 95 18:11:43 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20886; Fri, 13 Oct 95 18:04:34 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20880; Fri, 13 Oct 95 18:04:33 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t3v1Q-00038CC; Fri, 13 Oct 95 18:04 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: butch@maestro.maestro.com (' ALLAN W. BART) Subject: PINE VS Netscape Message-Id: Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 23:11:25 GMT Status: O X-Status: Hello, I am still using a lowly unix shell account, could anyone cmpare what the benefit to an email user would be by using more modern tools such as Netscape. allan From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 13 19:02:26 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12601; Fri, 13 Oct 95 19:02:26 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26094; Fri, 13 Oct 95 18:54:42 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26088; Fri, 13 Oct 95 18:54:41 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t3vkw-00038CC; Fri, 13 Oct 95 18:51 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Maged Mahmoud Hamed Subject: [Q] login name and password? Date: 13 Oct 1995 17:09:19 GMT Message-Id: <45m6fv$gaj@larry.rice.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: Hi.. I just started using pine, it's version 3.91. Whenever I wanna check my messages, it asks for HOST, LOGIN NAME, and PASSWORD. This is pretty annoying! how can I supress this check everytime I wanna use pine? thanks.. --Maged From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 13 19:47:59 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13563; Fri, 13 Oct 95 19:47:59 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22333; Fri, 13 Oct 95 19:40:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from CAMPBELL-EMH4.ARMY.MIL by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22327; Fri, 13 Oct 95 19:40:34 -0700 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 21:40:23 -0500 (CDT) From: CW2 Rob Miletich To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Piping pine compositions In-Reply-To: <45m6fv$gaj@larry.rice.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Is there any way to pipe messages that are "about to be composed" or "about to be replied to" through external programs? I'd like to take a message that I get, and pass it through to a sed script or through PGP for signaturing, and have it pop back into the pine composer of my choice after it does its thing? I guess I'd like to take the contents of the editor, invoke an alternate script with ctrl-_, and have it do its magic... Anybody have a smart little trick for this or just a hint of how to redirect the editor contents to a temp file, dump the contents of editor, and read-in the contents of the processed file? thanks. +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Rob Miletich CSSAMO - 101st Support Group (Corps), FTCKY | | mileticr@campbell-emh4.army.mil handle=rm401 DSN 635-7293/4679 | +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 13 20:21:28 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14227; Fri, 13 Oct 95 20:21:28 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22755; Fri, 13 Oct 95 20:14:54 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22749; Fri, 13 Oct 95 20:14:53 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t3x02-00038EC; Fri, 13 Oct 95 20:11 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: aj061@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Chris Foo) Subject: Name Addition? Message-Id: Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 20:51:58 GMT Status: O X-Status: Howdy! I'm using Pine 3.89 and I have a little problem. Every time my friends receives mail, all the see in the "from" column is my id and not my name. Everybody who sends mail to me has there name listed in Pine, but if I send mail to myself I'll just get my student id no...Please help! Thanx.. Chris... -- "Preserve what is old; know what is new." Chris Foo University of Ottawa: Biochemistry aj061@freenet.carleton.ca s1052274@aix2.uottawa.ca From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 14 01:04:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18901; Sat, 14 Oct 95 01:04:23 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26400; Sat, 14 Oct 95 00:55:59 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26394; Sat, 14 Oct 95 00:55:52 -0700 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Sat, 14 Oct 95 15:52:34 +0800 Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 15:52:33 +0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko To: Dion Vansevenant Cc: Pine Messages Subject: Re: X.400 addresses In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 12 Oct 1995, Dion Vansevenant wrote: > > I think I saw something about this posted to the list previously, but I > have not been on lately so I don't remember what the outcome was. > > Could anyone please tell me if Pine can send messages to an X.400 > address. We need to communicate with another company and would like to > see if we can do so with the our current resources. We use sendmail as > our mail transport and Pine as our mail reader. > > Please email all responses to me as I am no longer subscribed to the > list. TIA. Your question is not really a pine issue. The only thing you need is information about your X.400 gateway.....if you know of one. Here we have an X.400 GW on our MTA so it is a simple matter of using the X.400 address. Our sendmail then notices that the adress is an X.400 address and does the appropriate conversions. Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 14 02:27:37 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20592; Sat, 14 Oct 95 02:27:37 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02078; Sat, 14 Oct 95 02:25:43 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02072; Sat, 14 Oct 95 02:25:42 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t42od-00038DC; Sat, 14 Oct 95 02:23 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: steck@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Steckler) Subject: Re: Why is IMAP not more popular? (fwd) Message-Id: References: <45112t$qio@ratty.wolfe.net> <30778174.1E94@eskimo.com> <45knnq$16m@styx.uwa.edu.au> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 10:08:44 GMT Status: O X-Status: In article <45knnq$16m@styx.uwa.edu.au> jimm@dcd.wa.gov.au (Jim) writes: >The problem is that our users move around alot; one day they may be on their >home PC and use Eudora, the next; they will be on a Pine (via telnet) PC. >If I use default Pop settings, the user's Unix mailbox will be emptied >(Not good). If I tell the Pop client not to delete mail on server, the user >gets a dozen copies of their unread mail (full load on each mail check). > >Is there a way to make Pop grab only messages that the client doesnt already >have in their local PC inbox ? Well, POP3 itself doesn't have that feature. But Eudora keeps track of the messages it's downloaded, so even if you don't set it to delete messages on the server, you'll get just one copy of a given message. -- Paul -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Paul Steckler | World-Wide Web: | | steck@dcs.ed.ac.uk | URL = http://www.dcs.ed.ac.uk/home/steck | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 14 07:25:45 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26288; Sat, 14 Oct 95 07:25:45 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01362; Sat, 14 Oct 95 07:16:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01356; Sat, 14 Oct 95 07:16:19 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t47JJ-00038CC; Sat, 14 Oct 95 07:11 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Leif Erlingsson Subject: sendmail [8.7] & Pine [3.91] CUT's mail [29 lines] Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 14:12:43 +0100 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Status: O X-Status: The new code in mime.c in sendmail 8.7 is able to convert 8bitMIME to 7bitMIME. Normal text with national 8-bit characters turn into Quoted-Printable. This happens when the sendmail at the other end isn't Mime-aware, and the text is properly labeled as 8bit, the way a Mime-aware MUA like eg Exmh would do. (Or Pine 3.91-8bit, a patch available from myhsu@db.csie.ncu.edu.tw with "Subject: Retrieve pine-for-8bit".) Pine 3.91 also converts such texts to 7bitMIME, Quoted-Printable. The PROBLEM is that most sentences people write end in a `.', and that both mime.c and Pine 3.91 will wrap lines 74 / 76 characters long or longer, even if the 74'th or 76'th character is a `.'. (mime.c: 74, Pine: 76. This count is AFTER the national characters have been converted to Q-P.) Why is this a problem? Because both sendmail 8.7 and Pine 3.91 will place the 74'th or 76'th character on the next line. If this character is a `.' and no other characters follow, MANY MAILERS AND DELIVERY AGENTS OUT THERE WILL CUT THIS MAIL AT THIS POINT! See [now probably Expired] USENET News article from 2 or 3 Oct named `E-Mail CUT TO 1/2.', or re-post contained in News article posted Fri, 13 OCT 1995, named `400 lines. Pine3.91-8bit Patch, Send.......' /Leif Erlingsson, home: work: Tel: +46 8 604 0995 Tel: +46 8 764 8495 Fax: +46 8 604 0995 (ask 1'st) Fax: +46 8 29 4975 E-mail: Leif.Erlingsson@mailbox.swipnet.se E-mail: leierl@rsv.svskt.se From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 14 07:26:07 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26324; Sat, 14 Oct 95 07:26:07 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05944; Sat, 14 Oct 95 07:21:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05938; Sat, 14 Oct 95 07:21:20 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t47SI-00038CC; Sat, 14 Oct 95 07:20 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: thu@satellite.oulu.fi (Thomas Ulich) Subject: Re: Can pine only use the default .newsrc file? Date: 14 Oct 1995 08:39:03 GMT Message-Id: <45nsv7$imf@ousrvr3.oulu.fi> References: <45cnba$7du@garuda.csulb.edu> <45f21a$hn3@garuda.csulb.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: My Opinion (hbehrman@csulb.edu) wrote: : I've changed the nntp-server option in the configuration menu to access : newsgroups. Now I would like pine to read another file (with different : subscribed newsgroups) instead of the default .newsrc file that tin : accesses in my home directory. Anybody have any helpful suggestions? Let tin use another file: tin -f ~/.tin-news (or whatever). -- Thomas Ulich e-mail: thomas.ulich@oulu.fi www: http://cc.oulu.fi/~thu/ Inuit say: He who looks long upon the aurora soon goes mad. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 14 09:22:10 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27985; Sat, 14 Oct 95 09:22:10 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02769; Sat, 14 Oct 95 09:11:33 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02763; Sat, 14 Oct 95 09:11:32 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t499b-00038CC; Sat, 14 Oct 95 09:09 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: alansz@mellers1.psych.berkeley.edu (Alan Schwartz) Subject: Re: Can I read POP mail in unix?? Date: 12 Oct 1995 04:17:21 GMT Message-Id: <45i4sh$a46@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <44md5a$13ui@news.mindspring.com> <45bcau$mkq@millie.scn.de> <45gtng$f3o@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Status: O X-Status: Terrance M. Darcey writes: > >I have a similar need, but would like to have a character-based unix POP client...When I'm on my PC I use Eudora, but sometimes i can only telnet to a unix >host...I can't login directly to the POP server from there, but would like >to read the mail that is stored on the POP server...No X-windows from my telnet >session... Use archie to find the program 'popclient' It will download your mail from the pop server to a local unix account, which you can read with /bin/mail, Mail, elm, or whatever. - Alan -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Alan Schwartz | Disclaimer: I represent no one | alansz@cogsci.berkeley.edu | "Life is what happens to you while UC Berkeley | you're busy making other plans" Cognitive Psychology | - J. Lennon -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 14 13:02:24 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03064; Sat, 14 Oct 95 13:02:24 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10515; Sat, 14 Oct 95 12:52:01 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10509; Sat, 14 Oct 95 12:52:00 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t4Cce-00038CC; Sat, 14 Oct 95 12:51 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: asolan@village.ios.com (Amir Solan) Subject: How to forward email and keep original? Date: 13 Oct 1995 23:07:28 GMT Message-Id: <45mrfg$fut@news2.ios.com> Status: O X-Status: How can I forward only a COPY of an email? (Creating .forward sends an email to the other address, but doesn't keep a copy...) Thanks, Amir From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 14 14:02:43 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04103; Sat, 14 Oct 95 14:02:43 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06792; Sat, 14 Oct 95 14:00:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from henson.cc.wwu.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06786; Sat, 14 Oct 95 14:00:15 -0700 Received: by henson.cc.wwu.edu (5.65/WWU-H1.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.26 ) id AA04185; Sat, 14 Oct 1995 14:00:08 -0700 Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 14:00:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Amanda Haney To: Pine-info Subject: problems Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Am I still connected with e-mail?? Why won't any of my messages get sent? How can I get back on?????? Amanda Haney From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 14 14:36:28 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04674; Sat, 14 Oct 95 14:36:28 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07198; Sat, 14 Oct 95 14:33:42 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07192; Sat, 14 Oct 95 14:33:41 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t4EBD-00038CC; Sat, 14 Oct 95 14:31 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: FLAVELL@crnvma.cern.ch (Alan J Flavell) Subject: Re: Can Someone send me the Pine FAQ? Message-Id: <17437FA49S86.FLAVELL@cernvm.cern.ch> References: <45m29i$29q@cnct.com> Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 17:47:52 GMT Status: O X-Status: In article <45m29i$29q@cnct.com> thecount@cnct.com (The Count) writes: >Would appreciate it immensly if someone e-mailed me the pine FAQ! Thanks! Please consult your netiquette guidelines in news.announce.newusers There is a mail server that will automatically respond to your request for an FAQ, if you don't have an easier way to get FAQs. I'm posting this to the group just in case there are other uninformed users that think it's a good idea to pester the whole world with requests for FAQs. best regards From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 14 16:11:02 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06623; Sat, 14 Oct 95 16:11:02 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13148; Sat, 14 Oct 95 16:03:55 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13142; Sat, 14 Oct 95 16:03:53 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t4Fa6-00038CC; Sat, 14 Oct 95 16:01 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Jeffrey Goldberg Subject: Re: Piping pine compositions Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 20:00:54 +0100 Message-Id: References: <45m6fv$gaj@larry.rice.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: On 13 Oct 1995, CW2 Rob Miletich wrote: > Is there any way to pipe messages that are "about to be composed" or > "about to be replied to" through external programs? > > I guess I'd like to take the contents of the editor, invoke an alternate > script with ctrl-_, and have it do its magic... That is exactly the way to do it. You need to write a script that takes a file name argument (which will be provided by pine), does it's stuff on that file, and then calls your favorite editor on the modified file. It just needs to write out its changes to the same file name before it exits. If you want a model to work from, take a look at mkpgp (a csh script which when called as the alternative editor handles PGP stuff). You can get it from Send mail to deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu with the subject "send mkpgp" (I think) for info. You can also get it from various PGP archives (one that I know has it, but is a bit far from you is ftp.ox.ac.uk in /pub/crypto/pgp/utils There are other similar scripts, one called BAP which I believe is a bourne shell script, that do similar things. Anyway, you can take one of these, and rip out the calls to PGP and ispell, and put in what you want. Jeffrey Goldberg Email: J.Goldberg@Cranfield.ac.uk WWW: From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 14 16:14:55 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06678; Sat, 14 Oct 95 16:14:55 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08532; Sat, 14 Oct 95 16:08:56 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08526; Sat, 14 Oct 95 16:08:55 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t4FfQ-00038DC; Sat, 14 Oct 95 16:07 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Jeffrey Goldberg Subject: Re: Forwarded mail triggers Reply-to-all Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 20:04:50 +0100 Message-Id: References: <44rair$32g@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <44rair$32g@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Status: O X-Status: On 3 Oct 1995, Jeffrey S Gostin wrote: > I have two accounts here at Penn State. One forwards mail for me > automagically to the other. However, the forwarding is transparent. When > the mail gets to my primary account, the address the mail was forwarded FROM > is listed as 'To:'. While perfectly logical, it fouls up Pine when I try to > Reply... Your automagic forward is incorrect. It should ``Bounce'' mail and not ``forward'' it. How was that set up? You may have to talk to your local admins about that. -jeff Jeffrey Goldberg Email: J.Goldberg@Cranfield.ac.uk WWW: From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 14 17:22:05 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08059; Sat, 14 Oct 95 17:22:05 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14140; Sat, 14 Oct 95 17:19:04 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14134; Sat, 14 Oct 95 17:19:03 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t4Gky-00038CC; Sat, 14 Oct 95 17:16 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: How to filter mail? Date: 14 Oct 1995 23:40:30 GMT Message-Id: <45phpe$23n@ratty.wolfe.net> References: <45mok9$51@news.mel.aone.net.au> Status: O X-Status: azanatta@adam.com.au (angelo zanatta) writes: >How do you filter incoming mail by sender, and then reply to that mail >with standard message. Then delete that mail once its done. >thanks in advance I have lots of info about this at my Mail Filtering and Robots page: http://www.jazzie.com/ii/internet/mailbots.html Good luck, Nancy -- <*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*< @..@ Nancy McGough /\_/\ (----) Infinite Ink ( o.o ) ( >__< ) http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ > ~ < From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 14 17:47:55 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08475; Sat, 14 Oct 95 17:47:55 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14472; Sat, 14 Oct 95 17:45:37 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14460; Sat, 14 Oct 95 17:45:32 -0700 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Sun, 15 Oct 95 08:42:21 +0800 Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 08:42:20 +0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko To: Amir Solan Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: How to forward email and keep original? In-Reply-To: <45mrfg$fut@news2.ios.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On 13 Oct 1995, Amir Solan wrote: > How can I forward only a COPY of an email? (Creating .forward sends an > email to the other address, but doesn't keep a copy...) In your .forward file include the line \username. This will allow a copy to be kept on that machine. Regards, Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 14 18:01:22 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08719; Sat, 14 Oct 95 18:01:22 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09947; Sat, 14 Oct 95 17:59:11 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09941; Sat, 14 Oct 95 17:59:09 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t4HPX-00038CC; Sat, 14 Oct 95 17:58 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Subject: Re: Why is IMAP not more popular? (fwd) Date: 14 Oct 1995 15:26:38 -0500 Message-Id: <45p6du$i9d@Venus.mcs.com> References: <44v1hr$hc@bug.rahul.net> <45112t$qio@ratty.wolfe.net> Status: O X-Status: In article , Jochen Friedrich wrote: >> *THAT* is an example of being stuck in an old paradigm. The new >> paradigm, which is already here in things like Netscape 2.0, is to give >> a user one integrated front end that she can use to surf the Net, find, >> download, and upload information and programs, participate in news >> groups, mailing lists, and other discussion groups, read and respond to >> incoming mail, manage message folders (which include news messages, >> mail messages, and info found on the Net - some of these messages are >> stored on the users hard disk, some on the Net, all are referenced by >> pointers like URLs), set up filters and auto-responders, etc. > >True, but that's more or less the perfect usage for the IMAP protocol. >The mailboxes and mail filter is located on the server while your general >UA runs on the client and grabs the mails off the different folders from >the server, configures the filter on the server etc. To do this, the user >doesn't even need a shell account (i.e. if the CMU cyrus imapd is used). >IMAP already provides access to multiple mailboxes and also allows to >store mail messages into a remote mailbox. This is definitely way-to-go >for the future... In any environment where an IMAP client can reach multiple mailboxes it should be easy to arrange having them all forwarded to a single point anyway. What I've always wanted is a single news client that could access local newsgroups from many sites seamlessly, posting responses back to the right places. Part of the popularity of web browers is due the the ease of hopping around to the local information at many different places, but it is difficult to follow discussions with the current web software. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 14 18:06:26 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08851; Sat, 14 Oct 95 18:06:26 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14704; Sat, 14 Oct 95 18:04:13 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14698; Sat, 14 Oct 95 18:04:12 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t4HU1-00038HC; Sat, 14 Oct 95 18:03 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gostin@blue.crayola.cse.psu.edu (Jeffrey S Gostin) Subject: Re: Forwarded mail triggers Reply-to-all Date: 14 Oct 1995 20:27:47 GMT Message-Id: <45p6g3$6ve@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> References: <44rair$32g@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Status: O X-Status: In article Jeffrey Goldberg writes: >Your automagic forward is incorrect. It should ``Bounce'' mail and >not ``forward'' it. How was that set up? You may have to talk to >your local admins about that. Perhaps I mistated the situation. To give more details: At Penn State, every registered student is given a POP account for email, news etc. All of this information is tied into the PH database. If it matters, system security and userid authentification is handled by Kerberos, and the PH server is Qi Server version 2.2. I have my POP account set via 'make email' to gostin@crayola...., instead of going to the normal POP server <60K users on a POPmail system gets a little, shall we say... unreliable>. My POP account is listed as jgostin@psu.edu. When mail comes in for psu.edu addresses , a lookup is done to see where mail for that particular address' mail is set to go to. In other words, jgostin@psu.edu is a 'front' account. In my case, instead of being forwarded to the POP server, my mail goes to my UNIX account, where I can use PINE, and other such goodies. :-) But, the TO header is not rewritten to account for the forwarding, bouncing, hand-waving, or whatever. Instead, mail shows up at my UNIX account with the TO header reading jgostin@psu.edu. Whenever I go to reply to such messages, even if I'm the only recipient, PINE asks if I want to respond to all addresses . I'd like a way to tell PINE to stop being so anal about it. :-) Thanks, in advance, for any insights or information. :-) --J -- ======== ======== "Information Superhighway" does for Internet == == what C.H.I.P.'s did for Cops. == == -= Destroy Ignorance -- Seek Higher Understanding ===== ======== Ask me for my PGP key. Privacy is your friend. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 14 23:17:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14203; Sat, 14 Oct 95 23:17:54 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18627; Sat, 14 Oct 95 23:14:54 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18621; Sat, 14 Oct 95 23:14:53 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t4MJu-00038CC; Sat, 14 Oct 95 23:13 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Kevin Martinez Subject: Re: X11 front-end to Pine ? Date: 15 Oct 1995 05:12:57 GMT Message-Id: <45q58p$5i5@bug.rahul.net> References: <45gmu9$31b@ccpnws.in2p3.fr> <45k7o9$o5u@tesuque.cs.sandia.gov> <45m2mn$i45@ccpnws.in2p3.fr> Status: O X-Status: perrot@ipnosb.in2p3.fr (Bernard PERROT) writes: >!> >Is there an X11 front-end to pine ? >!> >!> % xterm -ls -ut -g -0-0 -e pine -feature-list=no-enable-suspend & >I'm talking about something like exmh... ! There was a fellow at nokia working on something that looked like a Xwindows frontend for Pine. It may have been a standalone program, the details escape me............ It was also named after a kind of tree: Spruce There was a web page that had a preview picture of it, it looked quite nice! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Kevin Martinez | Fry's Electronics: Where lps@rahul.net | Incompetence is the Standard! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 14 23:47:45 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14938; Sat, 14 Oct 95 23:47:45 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14357; Sat, 14 Oct 95 23:44:57 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14351; Sat, 14 Oct 95 23:44:55 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t4MlO-00038CC; Sat, 14 Oct 95 23:41 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Tony Calguire Subject: Question about newsreading in Pine Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 23:45:02 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Because of problems with my news server, I've been using the aggregate command set in order to delete large numbers of unwanted posts. Now, since Pine can't actually delete news messages, I'm wondering... Is Pine making some huge file to keep track of the hundreds of messages I don't want to see? I only have 250 Kb of account space, and I don't want to fill it up with news configuration files if I don't have to. Thanks. _____________ /_____ _____/ Tony Calguire _____/_/____ / __________/ calguire@freenet.msp.mn.us ( (__/ /____ \__/ /____/ / / /_/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 15 00:17:00 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15537; Sun, 15 Oct 95 00:17:00 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19401; Sun, 15 Oct 95 00:15:01 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19392; Sun, 15 Oct 95 00:15:00 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t4NFT-00038CC; Sun, 15 Oct 95 00:12 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lucio@ifctr.mi.cnr.it (Lucio Chiappetti) Subject: Re: Pine and crontab? Date: 12 Oct 1995 12:15:28 -0500 Message-Id: <9510121719.AA08830@poseidon.ifctr.mi.cnr.it> References: Status: RO X-Status: In article , Leif.Erlingsson@mailbox.swipnet.se write: |> On 10 Oct 1995, Lee Chen wrote: |> > I would like to set up an automatic mail sending routine which |> > sends out a message every morning. Does pine handle such a thing? Pine is interactive. To set up what you want you need to use crontab to issue a command at a given time, and a non-interactive mail command |> > I would like to be able to "attach" a file to this message if |> > possible. You'd almost be forced to do that |> |> mailx -s 'subjectdescription' recipient@host.and.domain < This is the message |> Additional lines |> EOF |> |> Alternatively, |> |> mailx -s 'subjectdescription' recipient@host.and.domain < file |> (Where file contains the message) On my systems (Ultrix and SunOS) the command is /usr/ucb/mail, not mailx |> |> There can be more than one recipient address! |> One or several recipients may be mailinglists. Except that you cannot use the aliases in Pine's addressbook ! -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- A member of G.ASS : Group for Astronomical Software Support ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lucio Chiappetti - IFCTR/CNR | Ma te' vugl' da' quost avis a ti' Orsign via Bassini 15 - I-20133 Milano | Buttet rabios intant te se' pisnign Internet: LUCIO@IFCTR.MI.CNR.IT | Decnet: IFCTR::LUCIO | (Rabisch, II 46, 119-120) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 15 01:13:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16873; Sun, 15 Oct 95 01:13:25 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15565; Sun, 15 Oct 95 01:10:15 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15559; Sun, 15 Oct 95 01:10:13 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t4O8G-00038CC; Sun, 15 Oct 95 01:09 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Moshe Segal Subject: Re: Problem with DOS Pico Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 23:23:48 -0400 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 13 Oct 1995, Paul O Bartlett wrote: > Did your autoexec.bat file have the read-only attribute set? I keep > mine read-only to help avoid accidental deletion. That might explain > your problem. No, that's not the problem. I am constantly modifying my startup files, or having them added to by newly installed programs. I just back them up perodically under a different name, in a different directory. The problem is definitely Pico-Related. Any other text editors work, and if I moved Pico to the root, I would not have a problem with Attoexec.bat and Config.sys, but would not be able to write to a file in another directory. I guess one not-so desirable solution would be to copy the program to every directory that has ASCII text files. Do not look at the flask Moshe E. Segal But at what it contains 1336 Cory Drive A new flask may be filled with old wine Dayton, Oh 45406 And an old flask may be empty even of new wine (513) 279-0438 (Ethics of the Fathers 4:27) s010mes@discover.wright.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 15 01:55:01 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17881; Sun, 15 Oct 95 01:55:01 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20864; Sun, 15 Oct 95 01:50:20 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20858; Sun, 15 Oct 95 01:50:18 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t4OkO-00038CC; Sun, 15 Oct 95 01:48 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rrolf@gpu3.srv.ualberta.ca (Robert Rolf) Subject: Re: Changing "From" Header in pine Date: 12 Oct 1995 19:28:16 GMT Message-Id: <45jq8g$17b6@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca> References: <44v5kb$6pk@universe.digex.net> Status: O X-Status: Paul O Bartlett writes: ;>On 4 Oct 1995, Harry Jensen wrote: ;>> Is it possible to change the "From" header in pine so that when I ;>> send a mail to somebody it appears that the mail is coming from a ;>> different address? [...] ;> One thing you can do easily enough in Pine is to go into the ;>Configuration screens and define an optional header ;> Reply-To: whatever-address-you-want Don't count on that working. Our site appends the generic domain name to even Reply-To:, which REALLY screws things up. EG: Reply-To: Robert.Rolf@UAlberta.ca becomes Robert.Rolf@ee.ualberta.ca which won't work since only UAlberta.ca knows how to handle the First.Last@ form. ;>If someone makes a reply to you and his/her mailer is well behaved, it ;>will automatically or by selection send back to the Reply-To: address ;>rather than to the From: address. Unfortunately, a lot of listserves (at least the ones I've been on) don't handle that properly. They insist on using the From: line to create the outgoing address (and for verification of incoming posts). Since my outgoing From: is different than the one I use coming in (mailbus), I'm having a devil of a time posting to lists that have my old address form, or I end up with two copies of mail when I resubscribe. I can't delete the old address, which is still valid, since I don't look like that address anymore. Being able to change my From: line would help, but I can see where it would also open up opportunity for forgeries. Any suggestions (aside from getting to a human managing the listserv) would be helpful. Lets see if the .sig, and the From: bear any resemblance this week. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 15 04:53:49 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21188; Sun, 15 Oct 95 04:53:49 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18437; Sun, 15 Oct 95 04:45:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18431; Sun, 15 Oct 95 04:45:46 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t4RTN-00038CC; Sun, 15 Oct 95 04:43 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rrolf@gpu3.srv.ualberta.ca (Robert Rolf) Subject: Bug or Feature? Date: 12 Oct 1995 19:40:12 GMT Message-Id: <45jqus$gle@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca> Status: O X-Status: I just noticed an interesting 'feature' in Pine 3.91. If you have marked a message in your INBOX for deletion, but decide to save it to a folder instead, the saved message is tagged for deletion there too. If you have big folders (as I often do), you may not notice that there are one too many deletion tags, and ZAP, you've just nuked a message you actually wanted to keep. I don't know about you, but if I've saved something to a folder, I generally did so because I wanted to KEEP it, not delete it. Please fix this in 3.92 (trivial I'm sure). From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 15 05:56:11 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22056; Sun, 15 Oct 95 05:56:11 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23878; Sun, 15 Oct 95 05:45:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23872; Sun, 15 Oct 95 05:45:52 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t4SPL-00038CC; Sun, 15 Oct 95 05:43 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: per@erix.ericsson.se (Per Hedeland) Subject: Re: 400 lines. Pine3.91-8bit Patch, Sendmail8.7, 8bit turns into Quoted-Printable, Pine Q-P "bug". Date: 15 Oct 1995 12:01:37 GMT Message-Id: <45qt71$ba5@euas20.eua.ericsson.se> References: Status: O X-Status: In article Leif Erlingsson writes: >Bad News: >:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-: >Sendmail 8.7 can handle this well, but not previous Sendmail's, so when >sendmail 8.7 is used to send mail to non-8BITMIME machines without the new >F=8 mailer flag (see SENDMAIL RELEASE NOTES below), the default behaviour >is to convert labelled 8BITMIME input to 7BIT as required. This is not "Bad News", but a *feature* (no smiley), the most important one in 8.7 in my personal opinion. It will finally allow us to use 8-bit characters in a standards-compliant way, without resorting to Quoted- Printable, among those who announce their capability to do so - i.e. *without* sending 8-bit characters to other systems, that may bit-strip or even flat out refuse to accept them (there are systems of both varietes out there, and they're all perfectly within their rights to do what they do). >The `well, not too bad' news is that sendmail 8.7 can be configured to >let 8bit slip through unharmed even to non-8BITMIME machines using the >F=8 mailer flag in sendmail.cf. LET'S PRAY ALL SWEDISH SENDMAIL >ADMINISTRATORS DOES THIS! Let's *not* - the F=8 flag is intented for use in local environments, where not all of your MTA's may be upgraded to announce 8BITMIME, but you nevertheless are sure (by means of some out-of-bands information/ agreement/directive) that they are capable of handling 8-bit mail. I.e. it should never be used for a mailer that sends to the Internet in general (and even *.se is "general" in this respect) - it is of course possible to use it for specific destinations with whom you have agreements to that effect, if you are prepared to accept the administrative burden of keeping track of this. A simpler solution is of course to suggest to those that are bothered by receiving Q-P that they upgrade to an MTA that is capable of announcing 8BITMIME support - such as sendmail 8.7.x. --Per Hedeland per@erix.ericsson.se From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 15 06:58:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22867; Sun, 15 Oct 95 06:58:23 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19848; Sun, 15 Oct 95 06:46:00 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19842; Sun, 15 Oct 95 06:45:59 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t4TLF-00038CC; Sun, 15 Oct 95 06:43 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gweisz@nilenet.com (Gideon Weisz) Subject: can Quoted-Printable encoding be forced? Date: 15 Oct 1995 12:38:53 GMT Message-Id: <45qvct$258@thoth.nilenet.com> Status: O X-Status: I correspond in Hebrew here and there. One system that I correspond with, however, seems unable to decode BASE64, which is what my text goes as (unless it has only a VEry few 8 bit code characters). I don't know if it will work if I can encode as Q-P (which is what *all* their stuff comes in when it gets to me) but I sure would like to try. any suggestions? by the way, I don't want to name their system here, but the support staff at that ISP do not seem to be very helpful so far, unfortunately. I know that eventually that system has to put its house in order in various ways, but it would also be helpful to find out if those of us in the normal internet world can control our output in order to communicate with systems that may be using something like a restricted/proprietary standard. And, situations where the recipient may be able to deal with one kind of encoding and not another might not be that rare (?) gideon -- gideon weisz ïåòãâ [boulder, colorado] From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 15 07:37:39 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23342; Sun, 15 Oct 95 07:37:39 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25063; Sun, 15 Oct 95 07:26:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25057; Sun, 15 Oct 95 07:26:05 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t4U01-00038CC; Sun, 15 Oct 95 07:25 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mathias@merlion.singnet.com.sg (Mathias Koerber) Subject: adding headers? Date: 15 Oct 1995 09:35:39 GMT Message-Id: <45qklb$hg9@lantana.singnet.com.sg> Status: O X-Status: In Pine3.91, is there a way to add custom headers (for each mail, not default headers).. SOmetimes I need to send additional info in headers, but I can't find any hints how to do it from the composer.. tia mathias -- Mathias Koerber mathias@singnet.com.sg SingNet NOC Mathias_Koerber@POBOX.ORG.SG Singapore Telecoms * Eifersucht ist eine Leidenschaft, die mit Eifer sucht was Leiden schafft * From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 15 08:55:24 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24409; Sun, 15 Oct 95 08:55:24 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21293; Sun, 15 Oct 95 08:51:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shivams.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21287; Sun, 15 Oct 95 08:51:30 -0700 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24377; Sun, 15 Oct 95 08:51:28 -0700 Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 08:51:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Robert Rolf Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Bug or Feature? In-Reply-To: <45jqus$gle@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca> Message-Id: Organization: University of Washington; Office of Computing & Communications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: This is indeed fixed in 3.92. -teg On 12 Oct 1995, Robert Rolf wrote: > I just noticed an interesting 'feature' in Pine 3.91. > > If you have marked a message in your INBOX for deletion, but decide > to save it to a folder instead, the saved message is tagged for > deletion there too. > > If you have big folders (as I often do), you may not notice that there > are one too many deletion tags, and ZAP, you've just nuked a message > you actually wanted to keep. > > I don't know about you, but if I've saved something to a folder, I generally > did so because I wanted to KEEP it, not delete it. > > Please fix this in 3.92 (trivial I'm sure). > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 15 10:31:24 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26282; Sun, 15 Oct 95 10:31:24 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22505; Sun, 15 Oct 95 10:26:26 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22499; Sun, 15 Oct 95 10:26:25 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t4WlR-00038CC; Sun, 15 Oct 95 10:22 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: atarsha@indirect.com (Art Tarsha) Subject: Vacation prg? Date: 14 Oct 1995 19:44:56 GMT Message-Id: <45p3vo$bks@globe.indirect.com> Status: O X-Status: I just accuired the auto-responder "Vacation" Could someone tell me where ie: which directory? I should place this program. Thanks Much Art From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 15 12:32:44 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28424; Sun, 15 Oct 95 12:32:44 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28921; Sun, 15 Oct 95 12:26:38 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28915; Sun, 15 Oct 95 12:26:37 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t4Yhf-00038CC; Sun, 15 Oct 95 12:26 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: berntep@idt.unit.no (Bernt E Pettersen) Subject: Re: How to forward email and keep original? Date: 15 Oct 1995 00:57:32 GMT Message-Id: <45pm9s$2cf@due.unit.no> References: <45mrfg$fut@news2.ios.com> Status: O X-Status: In article <45mrfg$fut@news2.ios.com>, asolan@village.ios.com (Amir Solan) writes: |> How can I forward only a COPY of an email? (Creating .forward sends an |> email to the other address, but doesn't keep a copy...) |> |> Thanks, |> Amir |> try to put this in your .forward file: \username, new@address.host This would save each mail in username's mailbox, and forward a copy to the new address. If you forget the \, the mail will then be forwarded to yourself, again and again, not just saved in your mailbox. You could also use more adresses to forward the mail, just remember to seperate them with comma. -- "Burnie" / / DoD#2345 SMCK BjMCK NMCU Bernt Pettersen / / Norway / / - I'm not drinking, I just don't want to drown!! - From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 15 12:49:45 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28805; Sun, 15 Oct 95 12:49:45 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24320; Sun, 15 Oct 95 12:46:42 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24314; Sun, 15 Oct 95 12:46:40 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t4Z0D-00038CC; Sun, 15 Oct 95 12:45 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Christian Labadie Subject: remaping the keyboard with macros ? Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 18:40:38 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Is it possible to define macros for Pine 3.90 ? For example, could I press the Rubout key instead of Ctrl-D. I have noticed that PgDn and PgUp work already, so I tought that it could be done for end-of-line (Ctrl-E), beg-of-line (Ctrl-A), rubout (Ctrl-D), insert (Ctrl-U), etc .. Thanks, Christian From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 15 13:25:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29495; Sun, 15 Oct 95 13:25:54 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29741; Sun, 15 Oct 95 13:21:45 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29735; Sun, 15 Oct 95 13:21:44 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t4ZXN-00038CC; Sun, 15 Oct 95 13:20 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rick@helix.nih.gov (Rick Troxel) Subject: Re: Change encoding for Attachments? In-Reply-To: "Carlos A. Pero"'s message of Fri, 13 Oct 1995 11: 25:35 -0500 Message-Id: References: Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 19:40:34 GMT Status: O X-Status: In article "Carlos A. Pero" writes: The only problem I have is that if I want to attach a simple text file, it gets BASE64'd for no real purpose. Just "Read in" the text file with a Ctrl-R keypress, instead of "Attaching" it. Regards, -- Rick Troxel Rick_Troxel@nih.gov rick@helix.nih.gov 301/496-4823 /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// All effort and exertion put forth by man from the fullness of his heart is worship, if it is prompted by the highest motives and the will to do service to humanity. --Abdu'l-Baha From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 15 13:34:37 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29711; Sun, 15 Oct 95 13:34:37 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24950; Sun, 15 Oct 95 13:31:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24944; Sun, 15 Oct 95 13:31:45 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t4Zhb-00038CC; Sun, 15 Oct 95 13:30 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rick@helix.nih.gov (Rick Troxel) Subject: Re: Vacation prg? In-Reply-To: atarsha@indirect.com's message of 14 Oct 1995 19: 44:56 GMT Message-Id: References: <45p3vo$bks@globe.indirect.com> Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 20:02:10 GMT Status: O X-Status: In article <45p3vo$bks@globe.indirect.com> atarsha@indirect.com (Art Tarsha) writes: I just accuired the auto-responder "Vacation" Could someone tell me where ie: which directory? I should place this program. You can place it anywhere. Just use the full pathname in your the .forward file by which vacation is invoked. Regards, -- Rick Troxel Rick_Troxel@nih.gov rick@helix.nih.gov 301/496-4823 /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// All effort and exertion put forth by man from the fullness of his heart is worship, if it is prompted by the highest motives and the will to do service to humanity. --Abdu'l-Baha From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 15 14:39:38 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00918; Sun, 15 Oct 95 14:39:38 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25754; Sun, 15 Oct 95 14:36:55 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25748; Sun, 15 Oct 95 14:36:53 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t4aj7-00038CC; Sun, 15 Oct 95 14:36 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Paul A. Steckler" Subject: WinBiff 3.1 available Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 20:46:13 GMT Message-Id: <813789973snz@blimpy.demon.co.uk> Status: RO X-Status: I have uploaded WinBiff 3.1 to ftp.winsite.com:/pub/pc/win3/uploads as the file wnbff31.zip. Eventually, the file will be moved to the util directory. WinBiff 3.1 is an email notifier for Windows that works with Pegasus Mail, Eudora, MS-Mail, cc:Mail, and other mail agents. WinBiff works as a POP3 and IMAP client using WinSock. New stuff: cc:Mail and IMAP support improved POP3 support (no more temp files) unread-mail only option WinBiff is shareware. Enjoy! -- Paul -- Paul A. Steckler steck@acm.org From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 15 15:09:50 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01555; Sun, 15 Oct 95 15:09:50 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01235; Sun, 15 Oct 95 15:06:59 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01229; Sun, 15 Oct 95 15:06:57 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t4b8u-00038CC; Sun, 15 Oct 95 15:02 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Leif Erlingsson Subject: Re: PINE VS Netscape Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 22:29:03 +0100 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT In-Reply-To: Status: RO X-Status: On Fri, 13 Oct 1995, ' ALLAN W. BART wrote: > Hello, > > I am still using a lowly unix shell account, could anyone cmpare what the > benefit to an email user would be by using more modern tools such as > Netscape. > > allan None, if all You intend to do is to write E-Mail's. And most of the time I read USENET News with Pine 3.91 8bit (a patched version), because it's faster. And I get a logg of replies etc. But there is one thing Netscape is better at! It arranges threads using indentation for every level: Original post 1'st reply Reply to 1'st reply 2'nd reply 3'rd reply Someone comments 3'rd reply Comment to that Comment to comment to someones comment. Etc Etc Etc 4'th reply Another Original post Reply to that . . . You get the picture... /Leif Erlingsson, home: work: Tel: +46 8 604 0995 Tel: +46 8 764 8495 Fax: +46 8 604 0995 (ask 1'st) Fax: +46 8 29 4975 E-mail: Leif.Erlingsson@mailbox.swipnet.se E-mail: leierl@rsv.svskt.se URL: http://www.geopages.com/RodeoDrive/1998 under construction! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 15 15:09:51 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01557; Sun, 15 Oct 95 15:09:51 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26182; Sun, 15 Oct 95 15:07:01 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26174; Sun, 15 Oct 95 15:06:59 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t4bBw-00038DC; Sun, 15 Oct 95 15:06 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Re: Question about newsreading in Pine Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 17:55:55 -0400 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: On Sat, 14 Oct 1995, Tony Calguire wrote: | [...] | Is Pine making some huge file to keep track of the hundreds of messages I | don't want to see? I only have 250 Kb of account space, and I don't want | to fill it up with news configuration files if I don't have to. Don't bet the farm on this, because I have not actually examined the Pine source code to see precisely what it is doing, but under Unix(-like), I think it just makes numeric range entries of messages you don't want to see by number in the .newsrc file. There is only one entry per newsgroup, and if you keep the messages disposed of contiguous, a .newsrc entry changes very little in size over time. Paul -------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett P. O. Box 857 Vienna, VA 22183-0857 U.S.A. Finger, keyserver, or email for PGP 2.6 public key -------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 15 16:37:33 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03070; Sun, 15 Oct 95 16:37:33 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02399; Sun, 15 Oct 95 16:35:24 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from autarch.acsu.buffalo.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02393; Sun, 15 Oct 95 16:35:22 -0700 Received: (from br@localhost) by autarch.acsu.buffalo.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA27032; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 19:35:21 -0400 Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 19:35:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Pulp Fiction To: info pine Cc: Mike Brudenell Subject: Receipt for sentmail Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I recently sent mail to someone on compuserve. They didnt received any mail from me, after 1 week. I did not get any error messages, or address not found error messages. Is there any way of attaching a receipt to the mail, so that you get a reply telling u your mail made it to the address indicated TIA Love, Peace & Respect Jaz ........ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 15 19:40:43 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06547; Sun, 15 Oct 95 19:40:43 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29756; Sun, 15 Oct 95 19:36:59 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from pluto.irdu.nus.sg by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29750; Sun, 15 Oct 95 19:36:52 -0700 Received: (aaron@localhost) by pluto.irdu.nus.sg (8.6.11/8.6.4) id KAA02327; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 10:36:47 +0800 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 10:36:46 +0800 (WST) From: Aaron Aw To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Any PGP interface to PINE? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Dear All, Does anyone know how I can interface PINE with PGP in order to include digital signature?? Thanks Just Me, Aaron Aw ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Give me a break here... E-Mail: aaron@irdu.nus.sg Phone:(065) 772-8094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 15 19:41:33 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06595; Sun, 15 Oct 95 19:41:33 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04766; Sun, 15 Oct 95 19:37:34 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04760; Sun, 15 Oct 95 19:37:33 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t4fNP-00038CC; Sun, 15 Oct 95 19:34 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ferchaa@ios.com (Andre Ferchau) Subject: How to get UUENCODED file mailed Date: 16 Oct 1995 00:18:10 GMT Message-Id: <45s8c2$ava@news.ios.com> Status: O X-Status: Part 2 I sent an attachment with Pine of a UUENCODED file..And it MiME'd it. Not sure how to just get it into a mail folder or just mail the UUENCODED file. Anybody know? thank you! BTW tried mail -s file etc etc... Doesn't recognize "-s" Thank you! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 15 21:04:44 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08726; Sun, 15 Oct 95 21:04:44 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01160; Sun, 15 Oct 95 21:02:44 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01154; Sun, 15 Oct 95 21:02:43 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t4gid-00038CC; Sun, 15 Oct 95 21:00 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mvbailey@crl.com (Mark Bailey) Subject: Help: Attached Files Unreadable By Spry? Date: 15 Oct 1995 20:35:54 -0700 Message-Id: <45sjuq$lok@crl2.crl.com> Status: O X-Status: I've tried to send attached files to a friend who uses Spry Email (from Internet In A Box) but he can't read or decrypt them. What gives? Any help would be greatly appreciated. And thanks in advance.... :-) ...................................................................... . mvbailey@crl.com I'm not crazy, and neither am I. . ...................................................................... -- ...................................................................... . mvbailey@crl.com I'm not crazy, and neither am I. . ...................................................................... From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 15 22:25:10 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10288; Sun, 15 Oct 95 22:25:10 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07120; Sun, 15 Oct 95 22:22:54 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07114; Sun, 15 Oct 95 22:22:53 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t4hzN-00038CC; Sun, 15 Oct 95 22:21 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Jochen Friedrich Subject: Re: Why is IMAP not more popular? (fwd) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <45112t$qio@ratty.wolfe.net> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 11:04:27 GMT Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII References: <44v1hr$hc@bug.rahul.net> <45112t$qio@ratty.wolfe.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Status: O X-Status: On 5 Oct 1995, Nancy McGough wrote: > Rahul Dhesi writes: > >Let me explain how a rich, functional environment can be set up. > > > >1. Server processes incoming mail through user's personal environment, > >which may involve powerful mail filters. User has control over how > >these mail filters operate. Mail filters will file mail as needed, > >possibly into the user's standard incoming mailbox. > > > >2. User's incoming mailbox may be accessed via traditinal server-based > >programs such as pine, elm, and MH. User's incoming mailbox may also > >be accessed via specific TCP/IP-based protocols including POP3 and > >IMAP. > > > >Now you are giving your users many choices. > > > >*THAT*, my friends, is what technology at its cutting edge ought to be > >all about. > > > *THAT* is an example of being stuck in an old paradigm. The new > paradigm, which is already here in things like Netscape 2.0, is to give > a user one integrated front end that she can use to surf the Net, find, > download, and upload information and programs, participate in news > groups, mailing lists, and other discussion groups, read and respond to > incoming mail, manage message folders (which include news messages, > mail messages, and info found on the Net - some of these messages are > stored on the users hard disk, some on the Net, all are referenced by > pointers like URLs), set up filters and auto-responders, etc. True, but that's more or less the perfect usage for the IMAP protocol. The mailboxes and mail filter is located on the server while your general UA runs on the client and grabs the mails off the different folders from the server, configures the filter on the server etc. To do this, the user doesn't even need a shell account (i.e. if the CMU cyrus imapd is used). IMAP already provides access to multiple mailboxes and also allows to store mail messages into a remote mailbox. This is definitely way-to-go for the future... Cheers, Jochen From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 16 00:12:09 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12361; Mon, 16 Oct 95 00:12:09 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03680; Mon, 16 Oct 95 00:08:08 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03674; Mon, 16 Oct 95 00:08:07 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t4jaO-00038CC; Mon, 16 Oct 95 00:03 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: iscyeoak@solar.cc.nus.sg (YEO ANN KIAN) Subject: How to change the default location of INBOX Date: 16 Oct 1995 06:15:26 GMT Message-Id: <45st9u$p95@nuscc.nus.sg> Status: O X-Status: We would like to change our user's default system mail box to /var/spool/mail/$USER/$USER instead of /var/spool/mail/$USER. For other MUAs (elm, mailx/Mail), I can simply setenv MAIL=/var/mail/$USER/$USER in the startup script. How can I tell PINE where the new system mail box is without having to ask everyone of our users to do it in .pinerc (inbox-path)? Thanks in advance. -- Yeo Ann-Kian yeoak@iscs.nus.sg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 16 01:27:35 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13827; Mon, 16 Oct 95 01:27:35 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09547; Mon, 16 Oct 95 01:23:18 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09541; Mon, 16 Oct 95 01:23:17 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t4klO-00038HC; Mon, 16 Oct 95 01:19 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: The un-wise one Subject: Re: How to filter mail? Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 10:52:45 +0930 Message-Id: References: <45mok9$51@news.mel.aone.net.au> <199510142336.QAA24634@gonzo.wolfe.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199510142336.QAA24634@gonzo.wolfe.net> Status: O X-Status: On Sat, 14 Oct 1995, Nancy McGough wrote: > >How do you filter incoming mail by sender, and then reply to that mail > >with standard message. Then delete that mail once its done. > >thanks in advance > > I have lots of info about this at my Mail Filtering and Robots page: > > http://www.jazzie.com/ii/internet/mailbots.html Thnaks, will try it. Angelo From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 16 03:54:26 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16583; Mon, 16 Oct 95 03:54:26 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06501; Mon, 16 Oct 95 03:48:39 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06495; Mon, 16 Oct 95 03:48:37 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t4n3O-00038CC; Mon, 16 Oct 95 03:45 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: perrot@ipnosb.in2p3.fr (Bernard PERROT) Subject: Re: X11 front-end to Pine ? Date: 13 Oct 1995 16:04:39 GMT Message-Id: <45m2mn$i45@ccpnws.in2p3.fr> References: <45gmu9$31b@ccpnws.in2p3.fr> <45k7o9$o5u@tesuque.cs.sandia.gov> Status: O X-Status: In article <45k7o9$o5u@tesuque.cs.sandia.gov>, Stefan Chakerian wrote: !> Bernard PERROT wrote: !> >Is there an X11 front-end to pine ? !> !> % xterm -ls -ut -g -0-0 -e pine -feature-list=no-enable-suspend & !> !> 1/2 ;-) !> !> stef I'm talking about something like exmh... ! -- +-----------------------------------+ | Bernard PERROT +---------------------------------+ | Email: perrot@ipncls.in2p3.fr | Institut de Physique Nucleaire | | Phone: (+33) (1) 69 41 79 59 | 91406 - ORSAY Cedex | | Fax: (+33) (1) 69 41 64 70 | FRANCE | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 16 04:21:40 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17561; Mon, 16 Oct 95 04:21:40 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11928; Mon, 16 Oct 95 04:13:48 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11922; Mon, 16 Oct 95 04:13:47 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t4nSq-00038KC; Mon, 16 Oct 95 04:12 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Frederic Udina Subject: Importing adresses from a file Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 19:26:00 +0100 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hi, Is it possible to import to the pine adress book from a plain ascii file, let's say from the aliases.text produced by elm? Frederic Udina _______________________________________________________________________ | voice: 34 - 3 - 542 17 56 Facultat de Ciencies Economiques | fax: 34 - 3 - 542 17 46 Universitat Pompeu Fabra | e-mail: udina@upf.es Balmes 132 | appleLink: spa0172 08008 Barcelona | Servicom: sva00484 SPAIN | W W Web: http://libiya.upf.es/ ___________________________________/_\_________________________________ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 16 04:26:07 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17626; Mon, 16 Oct 95 04:26:07 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11920; Mon, 16 Oct 95 04:13:43 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11914; Mon, 16 Oct 95 04:13:41 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t4nPv-00038CC; Mon, 16 Oct 95 04:09 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Frederic Udina Subject: Re: Pine versus elm, how to pipe to commands Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 15:51:44 +0100 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: I'm replying my own message. I've found the 'enable pipe command' option in the setup/config menu. Thanks, me. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 16 04:27:11 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17662; Mon, 16 Oct 95 04:27:11 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07039; Mon, 16 Oct 95 04:13:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07033; Mon, 16 Oct 95 04:13:45 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t4nRa-00038HC; Mon, 16 Oct 95 04:10 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Frederic Udina Subject: Pine versus elm, how to pipe to commands Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 11:41:43 +0100 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hi there, I'm just beginning using pine as a better (?) mailer than elm. It has some advantadges but I miss in pine one think I like very much in elm: How can I pipe the contents of a folder, or a message being read, or a message being composed to some commmand? Elm gives me the possibility of editing a whole folder, this is fine to look for and find some piece of info. In Elm I use to pipe a message through some filter in case, for exemple, it has a diferent character encoding (and is not a mime compliant one) or to pipe a message or a whole folder to a printing program such as a2ps. Sometimes I get a message with a uuencoded piece of it, I just pipe it to uudecode and I have the binary exctracted. Is it posible to do this kind of tricks from pine? Is it possible to switch to a shell from pine (this is useful when connected from a dumb terminal. Thank you, Frederic Udina _______________________________________________________________________ | voice: 34 - 3 - 542 17 56 Facultat de Ciencies Economiques | fax: 34 - 3 - 542 17 46 Universitat Pompeu Fabra | e-mail: udina@upf.es Balmes 132 | appleLink: spa0172 08008 Barcelona | Servicom: sva00484 SPAIN | W W Web: http://libiya.upf.es/ ___________________________________/_\_________________________________ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 16 04:52:21 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18422; Mon, 16 Oct 95 04:52:21 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07417; Mon, 16 Oct 95 04:43:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07411; Mon, 16 Oct 95 04:43:45 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t4nsm-00038CC; Mon, 16 Oct 95 04:39 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) Subject: Incoming message folders Date: 15 Oct 1995 19:01:39 -0400 Message-Id: <45s3sj$79f@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu> Status: O X-Status: (In Pine 3.91) Pine claims, in the help files, that the TAB key on the folder index screen may be used to scan the folders for recent messages. Unfortunately, it seems to think that if I look at a folder's index, the folder's messages are no longer recent, even if I didn't actually try to read any of the messages. Is there any way to change this behavior so that it checks for messages that I have never read rather than messages I have never seen indexed? -- Ken Arromdee (arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu, karromde@nyx.cs.du.edu; http://www.cs.jhu.edu/~arromdee) "One day, I shall come back. Yes, I shall come back! Until then, there must be no regrets, no tears, no anxieties. Just go forward in all your beliefs, and prove to me that I am not mistaken in mine...." -- Doctor Who From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 16 05:03:16 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18776; Mon, 16 Oct 95 05:03:16 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12451; Mon, 16 Oct 95 04:53:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12445; Mon, 16 Oct 95 04:53:46 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t4o5z-00038DC; Mon, 16 Oct 95 04:52 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Changing "From" Header in pine Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 09:46:34 -0700 Message-Id: References: <44v5kb$6pk@universe.digex.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: Adding headers that can be changed is done with default-composer-hdrs and adding fixed headers is with customized-hdrs, both in the .pinerc file. On 13 Oct 1995, Sven Guckes wrote: > Even if it was possible - it is not a good idea to send mail from address A > and make it look like it came from address B. There are reasons that you may legitimately want to change the From. For example, if you are temporarily borrowing some other user's task, or if you have multiple persona and need to have the email be from one even if you're temporarily logged in as the other. [For example, I regularly send responses as my UW persona from my commercial account.] Whether or not Pine permits it is governed by a build-time option in 3.91 that determines whether or not From is on a list of "forbidden to change" headers. If you change your From in Pine, Pine will automatically include a Sender (or X-Sender, depending upon if configuration is worried about LISTSERV brain damage) that gives your actual credentials. So it isn't "forged mail" or rather its "forged but here's who it really is". You can also change your Reply-To in any recent version of Pine. To summarize: From who I claim it is From Sender who the program says it is really From X-Sender alternate to Sender for sites worried about LISTSERV Reply-To where I want replies to go Return-Path where error reports about undelivery of the message should go (may be null, meaning "just toss it") -- Mark -- DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 16 05:10:24 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18877; Mon, 16 Oct 95 05:10:24 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07581; Mon, 16 Oct 95 04:53:49 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07575; Mon, 16 Oct 95 04:53:48 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t4o60-00038EC; Mon, 16 Oct 95 04:52 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ib bates Subject: test msg Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 13:11:05 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: testing sorry, do not reply! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 16 05:43:36 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19394; Mon, 16 Oct 95 05:43:36 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12867; Mon, 16 Oct 95 05:28:11 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from visla.utia.cas.cz by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12855; Mon, 16 Oct 95 05:27:59 -0700 Received: by visla.utia.cas.cz (16.7/16.2) id AA22046; Mon, 16 Oct 95 13:25:33 +0100 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 13:25:32 +0100 (MET) From: Vladimir Solnicky =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Vladim=EDr_Solnick=FD?= To: The Pine Discussion List Subject: Re: [8.7.1] `.' problem known to MIME RFC 1521 writers! [sendmail, Pine CUT's mail] In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Postal-Address: UTIA AV CR; Pod vodarenskou vezi 4; 182 08 Praha 8-Liben; Czech Republic Acknowledge-To: vs@utia.cas.cz Organization: Institute of Information Theory and Automation (UTIA AV CR) Organizace: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=DAstav_teorie_informace_a_automatizace_(=DATIA)_AV_=C8R?= Transport-Options: /delivery /return Read-Receipt-To: vs@utia.cas.cz X-Confirm-Reading-To: vs@utia.cas.cz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Status: O X-Status: On Sun, 15 Oct 1995, Leif Erlingsson wrote: > Check out item 7 below .... I guess I wasn't the first one to find out about > the `.' problem..... RFC 1521 specifically cautions developers of > MIME-aware software NEVER TO ALLOW A SINGLE `.' ON A LINE! > > I'm afraid neither Eric P. Allman (mime.c in sendmail) nor the Pine > development crew read this passage..... > RFC 1521 Appendix B -- General Guidelines For Sending Email Data > 7. Some mail transport agents will corrupt data that includes certain > literal strings. In particular, a period (".") alone on a line is known to > be corrupted by some (incorrect) SMTP implementations, and a line that > starts with the five characters "From " (the fifth character is a SPACE) > are commonly corrupted as well. A careful composition agent can prevent > these corruptions by encoding the data (e.g., in the quoted-printable > encoding, "=46rom " in place of "From " at the start of a line, and "=2E" > in place of "." alone on a line. It would be nice if pine broke lines not keeping alone `.' on a line and putting soft line break after `From' (so the space will be at the beginning of the next line; this seems better to me than replacing `F' by =46). Just a suggestion ... | | Bc. Vladimir Solnicky (Vladimír Solnický using ISO 8859-1 or 2) | | Institute of Information UTIA AV CR \/ Theory and Automation Pod vodarenskou vezi 4 Department of Computing Systems 182 08 Praha 8-Liben +42 2 6605/2212 fax: +42 2 66414677 Czech Republic +42 2 6605/2364 e-mail: vs@utia.cas.cz ftp.utia.cas.cz http://www.utia.cas.cz/user_data/vs/vs-home-{en|cz|ce}.html From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 16 06:07:48 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19865; Mon, 16 Oct 95 06:07:48 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13228; Mon, 16 Oct 95 05:58:56 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13222; Mon, 16 Oct 95 05:58:54 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t4p6S-00038CC; Mon, 16 Oct 95 05:57 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: thecount@cnct.com (The Count) Subject: Can Someone send me the Pine FAQ? Date: 13 Oct 1995 11:57:38 -0400 Message-Id: <45m29i$29q@cnct.com> Status: RO X-Status: Would appreciate it immensly if someone e-mailed me the pine FAQ! Thanks! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 16 06:35:37 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20441; Mon, 16 Oct 95 06:35:37 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08588; Mon, 16 Oct 95 06:14:54 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08582; Mon, 16 Oct 95 06:14:48 -0700 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 14:00:13 +0100 Received: by tower.york.ac.uk (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/940406.SGI) id OAA15893; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 14:00:11 +0100 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 14:00:10 +0100 (BST) From: Mike Brudenell To: Frederic Udina Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine versus elm, how to pipe to commands In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 10 Oct 1995, Frederic Udina wrote: > I'm just beginning using pine as a better (?) mailer than elm. It has > some advantadges but I miss in pine one think I like very much in elm: > > How can I pipe the contents of a folder, or a message being read, or a > message being composed to some commmand? Assuming you are using Pine 3.91 you must first enable the pipe command (not available by default to reduce information overload to new users). You do this by going to Pine's Main Menu and typing S (setup) then C (configuration). Look down for and select the "enable-unix-pipe-cmd" item. Leave the screen by typing E (exit). When reading a message you can pipe it into something just by typing "|". To pipe a number of messages (including all in the current) folder first use the Select command (;) to choose the messages you wish to operate on, followed by the Apply (A) command. For example, ; ... Select A ... All messages in current folder A ... Apply | ... Pipe command to them The Select and Apply commands, along with the associated Zoom command, also need to be enabled in the Setup Conifugration Screen. Turn on the "enable-aggregate-command-set" item. I don't believe it is directly possible to pipe a message you are composing into something, other than by defining the something an the "alternate-editor", and then using the Composer's "Alt Edit" command. > Elm gives me the possibility of editing a whole folder, this is fine to > look for and find some piece of info. With Pine: When READING a message "W" (WhereIs) searches for a particular string within the current message. At the FOLDER INDEX list "W" (WhereIs) searches the displayed text (From/Date/Subject) for the string and moves to that message. At the FOLDER INDEX the Select (;) command can (when enabled) be used to select messages based on a number of criteria (Date, Sender, Subject string, string in message body, etc). Having selected some messages they can then be operated on using the Apply command as described above, or summaried (unselected messages hidden from the list) using the Z (zoom) command. A second Z (zoom) command restores the full list without cancelling the selection. Thus, ; ... Select T ... Text A ... All message text widget ... string "widget" Z ... hide unselected messages from list > Is it posible to do this kind of tricks from pine? Is it possible to > switch to a shell from pine (this is useful when connected from a dumb > terminal. If invoked with the "-z" option (ie, "pine -z") then the "suspend" feature of Pine is enabled. Assuming your shell supports job control, that is. You can then ^Z to suspend Pine, and later "fg" to get back in to it. Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Tel: +44-1904-433811 FAX: +44-1904-433740 http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 16 07:29:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21612; Mon, 16 Oct 95 07:29:06 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09564; Mon, 16 Oct 95 07:19:06 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09558; Mon, 16 Oct 95 07:19:04 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t4qLx-00038CC; Mon, 16 Oct 95 07:17 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: teal@netcom.com (TEAL@netcom.com) Subject: Stuck in "read-only" Message-Id: Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 13:41:16 GMT Status: O X-Status: I'm using PC Pine 3.91 for Windows. I've created several local folders on my hard drive to store archived messages. Unfortunately, I am only able to create "read-only" folders, which means I cannot delete any messages from them. Can someone tell me how to change them to "read/write"? Thanks. Jodi Danzig TEAL@netcom.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 16 08:01:21 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22323; Mon, 16 Oct 95 08:01:21 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14824; Mon, 16 Oct 95 07:44:11 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14818; Mon, 16 Oct 95 07:44:09 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t4qiO-00038CC; Mon, 16 Oct 95 07:40 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Frederic Udina Subject: Re: Importing adresses from a file Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 13:01:51 +0100 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 10 Oct 1995, Frederic Udina wrote: > > Hi, > > Is it possible to import to the pine adress book from a plain > ascii file, let's say from the aliases.text produced by elm? > > I'm replying to myself again (we are disconnected from the news and I don't know if somebody else has replied it, or even if somebody else has read my question!) I've been able to import the aliases.text generated by elm alias software by simply changing ' = ' to TAB and adding the resulting lines to my .addessbook file. Pine has done the rest. Now my next question: is there a Pine for Macintosh? Frederic From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 16 08:03:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22399; Mon, 16 Oct 95 08:03:20 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10044; Mon, 16 Oct 95 07:48:16 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10038; Mon, 16 Oct 95 07:48:14 -0700 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 15:42:48 +0100 Received: by tower.york.ac.uk (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/940406.SGI) id OAA18903; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 14:02:53 +0100 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 14:02:52 +0100 (BST) From: Mike Brudenell To: Ken Arromdee Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Incoming message folders In-Reply-To: <45s3sj$79f@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I use this feature regularly, and it works as documented: it jumps through to the next new (unread) message. That is, the next message shown with an "N" status at the start of its line in the index listing. This can also be useful within newsgroups, especially as it offers to continue the scan through the next subscribed newsgroup if no more New (recent) articles are found in the current newsgroup. Why it isn't working for you I'm not sure... check that the index screen is indeed showing the messages with an "N" status. Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Tel: +44-1904-433811 FAX: +44-1904-433740 http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/ On 15 Oct 1995, Ken Arromdee wrote: > (In Pine 3.91) > > Pine claims, in the help files, that the TAB key on the folder index screen > may be used to scan the folders for recent messages. Unfortunately, it seems > to think that if I look at a folder's index, the folder's messages are no > longer recent, even if I didn't actually try to read any of the messages. > Is there any way to change this behavior so that it checks for messages that > I have never read rather than messages I have never seen indexed? > -- > Ken Arromdee (arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu, karromde@nyx.cs.du.edu; > http://www.cs.jhu.edu/~arromdee) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 16 09:03:16 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24490; Mon, 16 Oct 95 09:03:16 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11419; Mon, 16 Oct 95 08:49:19 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11413; Mon, 16 Oct 95 08:49:17 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t4ric-00038CC; Mon, 16 Oct 95 08:44 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bortzmeyer@pasteur.fr (Stephane Bortzmeyer) Subject: Re: Can I read POP mail in unix?? Date: 16 Oct 1995 13:02:55 GMT Message-Id: <45tl5v$cci@montespan.pasteur.fr> References: <45i4sh$a46@agate.berkeley.edu> <44md5a$13ui@news.mindspring.com> <45bcau$mkq@millie.scn.de> <45gtng$f3o@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> <45kim3$k03@gryphon.phoenix.net> Status: O X-Status: (List of newsgroups reduced and followup set) In article <45kim3$k03@gryphon.phoenix.net>, oa@phoenix.net (Rick Lutowski) writes: > popclient may be downloaded from ftp.mal.com/pub/pop. Sunsite no > longer carries it. > > I installed it recently under Linux and it works great. Compiled > without any problem. Is small, (relatively) simple, and effective > at fetching mail from POP3 servers. Loads the mail into your local > machine's mailbox, and you read it from there using "mail" (or > Pine) just as if it was sent directly to your local machine. > All character-based, no GUIs or anything - it's so simple it doesn't > need them. These features are common to all the programs based on the same idea as popclient: to separate mail retrieving (handled by popclient or a relative) and mail displaying, editing, etc, handled directly from the local mail spool by a mailer like exmh, elm, or else. Here is the (complete?) list of "batch" POP clients on Unix: "popclient" but Archie will find many places "popc" "popmail" and the one I prefer :-) "gwpop" What are the differences? Well, if someone could test them all and post the results, it would be great... From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 16 09:21:24 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25863; Mon, 16 Oct 95 09:21:24 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17001; Mon, 16 Oct 95 09:14:20 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16995; Mon, 16 Oct 95 09:14:19 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t4s6q-00038CC; Mon, 16 Oct 95 09:09 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Stephen Weihman Subject: Re: "Full Headers ON" by default Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 15:41:38 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <45bt7n$1hg@bee.uspnet.usp.br> Status: O X-Status: On 9 Oct 1995, Marcelo Zacarias wrote: > Stephen Weihman (g053200@csisjw) wrote: > > : You should be able to turn that option on in the system wide > : configuration file (normally /usr/loca/lib/pine.conf). > > There is no such option :( (assuming the available set are that in > Setup/Config). You can turn the feature on - meaning users can toggle full headers on - by setting "enable-full-header-cmd" in the "feature-list" section of /usr/local/lib/pine.conf. This won't automatically display full headers, just give them the option of turning them on for that session. -- Stephen From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 16 09:22:45 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25910; Mon, 16 Oct 95 09:22:45 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12236; Mon, 16 Oct 95 09:14:22 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12230; Mon, 16 Oct 95 09:14:21 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t4sAR-00038DC; Mon, 16 Oct 95 09:13 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rich Graves Subject: Re: MS-Exchange -- Is it worth using - YES? Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 12:46:59 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-568162999-813613263=:28393" In-Reply-To: <45maso$7c9@Owl.nstn.ca> Content-Id: Status: O X-Status: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --0-568162999-813613263=:28393 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: In article <45maso$7c9@Owl.nstn.ca>, Terry M wrote: > i like the exchange program . If used with another user > who has exchange , the attachements and such items are very > impressive. I can send a sound file to a friend using microsoft > exchange and the file shows up in his message on the receiving > end exactly as i sent it. An object within the message is how is > send the sound file. So when my friend receives the message > ,he/she sees the icon inside the email message ,and all the have > to do is double click on the message to play the > sound. > > That is why i like the program . I can send any object embedded > item with my email to other windows 95 users. Wow. That must be really cool. I wonder why nobody else ever thought of that. Bill Gates must really be a genius. I also love it when Exchange assumes that the Sender: line overrides the From: line, when it puts names in redundant single quotes, when it gets creative with the quoted/printable format, and when it gives me that cool WINMAIL.DAT RTF attachment. -rich moderator of the win95netbugs list http://www-dccs.stanford.edu/NetConsult/Win95Net/faq.html --0-568162999-813613263=:28393 Content-Type: IMAGE/GIF; NAME="new.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 Content-ID: Content-Description: R0lGODlhHAALAKEAAAAAAP/WAP///wAAACH5BAEAAAIALAAAAAAcAAsAAAJA lI+paxHnHorQqQAkjjzDTDWAt43m1jmeiGZgBMaqJLTl+Nj2l+Mv6+rRNkCO ykWyNJQ1jOllrK0YRmYixMhqCwA7 --0-568162999-813613263=:28393-- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 16 09:39:16 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26618; Mon, 16 Oct 95 09:39:16 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12625; Mon, 16 Oct 95 09:31:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from bock.ucs.ualberta.ca by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12619; Mon, 16 Oct 95 09:31:00 -0700 Received: from gpu3.srv.ualberta.ca by bock.ucs.ualberta.ca with ESMTP (8.6.5/UA3.0.0June95) id KAA22396 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 10:30:48 -0600 Received: from gpu2.srv.ualberta.ca (rrolf@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca [129.128.125.12]) by gpu3.srv.ualberta.ca (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA18862; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 10:30:44 -0600 Received: by gpu2.srv.ualberta.ca (8.6.9) id KAA130436; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 10:30:43 -0600 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 10:30:42 -0600 (MDT) From: Robert Rolf X-Sender: rrolf@gpu2.srv.ualberta.ca To: Terry Gray Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Move cursor reverse by word. In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Sun, 15 Oct 1995, Terry Gray wrote: about > > If you have marked a message in your INBOX for deletion, but decide > > to save it to a folder instead, the saved message is tagged for > > deletion there too. > This is indeed fixed in 3.92. Thats good. Can we also get a move cursor by word left (^\) and one to jump to next punctuation (like a . or ,)(^]) if you haven't already done so. I don't remember these as being 'special' ASCII codes like ^S^Q. Thanks for the earlier reply. Robert --Robert.Rolf@UAlberta.ca or RRolf@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 16 09:45:03 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26779; Mon, 16 Oct 95 09:45:03 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17710; Mon, 16 Oct 95 09:39:27 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17704; Mon, 16 Oct 95 09:39:25 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t4sYN-00038CC; Mon, 16 Oct 95 09:38 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Jeffrey Goldberg Subject: System "from" info and + marks Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 20:20:13 +0100 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I have two related questions. Both probably involve modifying source and would like to know if others have already done this. Pine appears to get its information from getpwuid (or something similar). The problem is that my "From" line should read like my "Reply-to" above. While I can easily use "Reply-To", I am not sure that I can teach all our users here to do the same. So, what I would like to do is get the "Real Name" from the GCOS field (as is done now), but get the username part of the address from another source (I know where that source will be). Is this the right way to go about things? Has anyone else done something similar? The second related question is that I want message to me specifically to be marked with a "+", and that should include message to "J.Goldberg@cranfield.ac.uk" and not just the few that are to "cc047@Cranfield.ac.uk". This is a similar problem. Chances are, this isn't a difficult modification at all, but what really would be nice if there were a configuration option for "alternate-names" or something like that. -jeff Jeffrey Goldberg Email: J.Goldberg@Cranfield.ac.uk WWW: From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 16 10:33:48 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29144; Mon, 16 Oct 95 10:33:48 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19014; Mon, 16 Oct 95 10:26:35 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shivams.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19008; Mon, 16 Oct 95 10:26:34 -0700 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28518; Mon, 16 Oct 95 10:25:45 -0700 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 10:25:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Mike Brudenell Cc: Ken Arromdee , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Incoming message folders In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Organization: University of Washington; Office of Computing & Communications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I think I can clarify the problem: *Within* a folder, TAB stops at the next msg marked with an "N" or "*". Going *between* incoming folders, TAB only stops if there is a RECENT message in the incoming folder being tested. At the moment there is no way to cause TABbing to the next folder to stop if there are unread, but no longer recent, messages. -teg On Mon, 16 Oct 1995, Mike Brudenell wrote: > I use this feature regularly, and it works as documented: it jumps > through to the next new (unread) message. That is, the next message > shown with an "N" status at the start of its line in the index listing. > > This can also be useful within newsgroups, especially as it offers to > continue the scan through the next subscribed newsgroup if no more New > (recent) articles are found in the current newsgroup. > > Why it isn't working for you I'm not sure... check that the index screen > is indeed showing the messages with an "N" status. > > Mike Brudenell > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK > Tel: +44-1904-433811 FAX: +44-1904-433740 http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/ > > On 15 Oct 1995, Ken Arromdee wrote: > > > (In Pine 3.91) > > > > Pine claims, in the help files, that the TAB key on the folder index screen > > may be used to scan the folders for recent messages. Unfortunately, it seems > > to think that if I look at a folder's index, the folder's messages are no > > longer recent, even if I didn't actually try to read any of the messages. > > Is there any way to change this behavior so that it checks for messages that > > I have never read rather than messages I have never seen indexed? > > -- > > Ken Arromdee (arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu, karromde@nyx.cs.du.edu; > > http://www.cs.jhu.edu/~arromdee) > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 16 10:34:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29197; Mon, 16 Oct 95 10:34:25 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14426; Mon, 16 Oct 95 10:28:59 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shivams.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14418; Mon, 16 Oct 95 10:28:58 -0700 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28785; Mon, 16 Oct 95 10:28:55 -0700 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 10:28:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Robert Rolf Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Move cursor reverse by word. In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Organization: University of Washington; Office of Computing & Communications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Unfortunately, on many systems ^\ causes an intentional abort, and ^] is the most-often-used telnet escape character. -teg On Mon, 16 Oct 1995, Robert Rolf wrote: > On Sun, 15 Oct 1995, Terry Gray wrote: > > about > > > If you have marked a message in your INBOX for deletion, but decide > > > to save it to a folder instead, the saved message is tagged for > > > deletion there too. > > > This is indeed fixed in 3.92. > > Thats good. > > Can we also get a move cursor by word left (^\) and one to jump to next > punctuation (like a . or ,)(^]) if you haven't already done so. > I don't remember these as being 'special' ASCII codes like ^S^Q. > > Thanks for the earlier reply. > > Robert > --Robert.Rolf@UAlberta.ca or RRolf@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 16 11:49:17 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02330; Mon, 16 Oct 95 11:49:17 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16361; Mon, 16 Oct 95 11:42:19 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16355; Mon, 16 Oct 95 11:42:18 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t4uQZ-00038CC; Mon, 16 Oct 95 11:38 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mark@seeware.DIALix.oz.au (Mark Hannon) Subject: Re: Can I read POP mail in unix?? Message-Id: References: <44md5a$13ui@news.mindspring.com> <45bcau$mkq@millie.scn.de> <45gu0s$f3o@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 10:10:48 GMT Status: O X-Status: Terrance M. Darcey (darcey@wrjva3.dhmc.dartmouth.edu) wrote: : Iain Lea (iain@scn.de) wrote: : : minrick@mindspring.com (Min-Hsao Chen) wrote: : : : not. My questions is if there is any way to check a POP mail on a Unix : : : system? Is there a client for Unix or for openwin or whatever so that I can : : : check my mail when I am away from my PPP account. : : ftp://ftp.scn.de/pub/mail/clients/xfmail/ : I would like to have a character-based unix POP client...I can't login to my POP server and would like to read that mail from a unix acct (telnet session) when I'm away from my PC/Eudora setup...It appears that XF-Mail is a X-Windows POP client... What is wrong with pine/mail/mailx/elm/any other text based unix mail program that one cares to name? /mark -- +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ | Mark Hannon,| Running a FreeBSD 2.0.5 host | mark@seeware.DIALix.oz.au| | Melbourne, | PGP key available by fingering | epamha@epa.ericsson.se | | Australia | seeware@melbourne.DIALix.oz.au | | From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 16 12:32:02 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04067; Mon, 16 Oct 95 12:32:02 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22031; Mon, 16 Oct 95 12:27:26 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22025; Mon, 16 Oct 95 12:27:25 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t4vBJ-00038CC; Mon, 16 Oct 95 12:26 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: John Timmers Subject: Re: Stuck in "read-only" Date: 16 Oct 1995 17:53:24 GMT Message-Id: <45u66l$4sk@fountain.mindlink.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: teal@netcom.com (TEAL@netcom.com) wrote: >I'm using PC Pine 3.91 for Windows. I've created several local folders on >my hard drive to store archived messages. Unfortunately, I am only able >to create "read-only" folders, which means I cannot delete any messages >from them. Can someone tell me how to change them to "read/write"? Thanks. > >Jodi Danzig >TEAL@netcom.com > > make sure your /tmp directory has the following permissions: drwxrwxrwt 3 root root 1024 Oct 16 10:50 tmp/ (this is what it should look like if you go to main root directory and "ls -al" at prompt... regards...john ===== Please address return email to: john_timmers@mindlink.bc.ca ===== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 16 12:48:00 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04523; Mon, 16 Oct 95 12:48:00 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17781; Mon, 16 Oct 95 12:42:27 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17775; Mon, 16 Oct 95 12:42:25 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t4vQG-00038CC; Mon, 16 Oct 95 12:42 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Renate Mittelmann Subject: printing from PC-pine Date: 16 Oct 1995 17:14:00 GMT Message-Id: <45u3so$evc@news.asu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: Whenever I print an e-mail message from my PC-Pine account, it prints in a very, very small font. I've looked at all the printer options and setup features that I can get to from Pine, but nothing mentions the font. Any ideas? -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Renate M. Mittelmann Arizona State University Phone: (602) 965-0096 Department of Mathematics Fax: (602) 965-0461 Tempe, AZ 85287-1804 email: renate@asu.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 16 13:10:03 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05705; Mon, 16 Oct 95 13:10:03 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22764; Mon, 16 Oct 95 13:02:30 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22758; Mon, 16 Oct 95 13:02:28 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t4viT-00038CC; Mon, 16 Oct 95 13:00 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lara@cern03 (Lara Rios) Subject: spawning ghostview as ps attchmt reader?? Date: 13 Oct 95 20:25:18 GMT Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: I was wondering if anyone knew how to set up pine to spawn ghostview to read a postscript attachment. It should work the same way it does when the attachemnt is a gif or tiff file and it spawns the image-viewer defined in .pinerc but there is not a variable in .pinerc for postscript files. thanks in advance, Lara Rios From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 16 13:43:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06852; Mon, 16 Oct 95 13:43:54 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19278; Mon, 16 Oct 95 13:37:33 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19272; Mon, 16 Oct 95 13:37:32 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t4wGy-00038CC; Mon, 16 Oct 95 13:36 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: curt@portal.ca (Curt Sampson) Subject: Re: Can I read POP mail in unix?? Date: 13 Oct 1995 12:22:42 -0700 Message-Id: <45mea2$db5@cynic.portal.ca> References: <45i4sh$a46@agate.berkeley.edu> <45bcau$mkq@millie.scn.de> <45gtng$f3o@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> <45kim3$k03@gryphon.phoenix.net> Status: RO X-Status: In article <45kim3$k03@gryphon.phoenix.net>, Rick Lutowski wrote: >IMHO, the Pine people ought to contact the author about embedding >popclient into Pine - stick it under a menu option or something. >It's just what Pine needs (brass statement, since I know nothing >about Pine internals!) Why, when Pine can already retrieve POP3 mail directly? cjs -- Curt Sampson curt@portal.ca Info at http://www.portal.ca/ Internet Portal Services, Inc. Vancouver, BC (604) 257-9400 De gustibus, aut bene aut nihil. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 16 13:52:09 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07178; Mon, 16 Oct 95 13:52:09 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23960; Mon, 16 Oct 95 13:47:35 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23954; Mon, 16 Oct 95 13:47:33 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t4wP5-00038CC; Mon, 16 Oct 95 13:44 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: kruise@rs6a.wln.com (kruise) Subject: Pine for Motorola? Date: 13 Oct 1995 22:30:06 GMT Message-Id: <45mp9e$hf2@calliope.wln.com> Status: O X-Status: Can pine be compiled to run on a Motorola running System V 68 Release R3V7 Version 950209 M68040? Thanks, Randy kruise@wln.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 16 19:01:30 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21722; Mon, 16 Oct 95 19:01:30 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27318; Mon, 16 Oct 95 18:58:16 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27312; Mon, 16 Oct 95 18:58:15 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t51Gm-00038CC; Mon, 16 Oct 95 18:56 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: slipcon@tiac.net (Scott Lipcon) Subject: (E)xport config question Date: 16 Oct 1995 22:53:02 GMT Message-Id: <45unoe$lu6@sundog.tiac.net> Status: O X-Status: Hi... in the next few weeks I am going to be setting up a simple email system for my high school, and we have pretty much decided on using pine as each user's shell (so they get their mail by telnet... they don't have to mess with sh or bash because they can do all the other internet stuff with netscape/fetch/newswatcher on the macs) I am trying to set it up so that they won't have to know the difference that they are running pine on a remote machine (these people aren't the most ocmputer literate!) Its simple to set it up so they print to local printers (attached-to-ansi) and I have tested it with the specific telnet client (the newest version of NCSA telnet for mac). On my unix account, the 'E' command exports the mail to a file on the unix host. On my teacher's, it prompts you for a file name, and initiates some sort of file transfer! I have read the FAQ, and the tech-notes document, and I can't figure out how to do this. I thought I'd ask here before wading through the source to figure it out. Thanks a lot, Scott -- +-----------------------------------+ GCS/T d? H- g+(?) p3 !au a-- w+ v+(++)(*) |Scott Lipcon [SLipcon@max.tiac.net]| C++(++++) UB P+ L>++ 3 N++ W--- M++ -po+ |http://www.tiac.net/users/slipcon/ | Y+ t--- 5-- j+ R- G'''' tv- b+ D+ B--- +-----------------------------------+ e-(*) v+ h! r* n- y? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 16 19:11:43 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22098; Mon, 16 Oct 95 19:11:43 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01719; Mon, 16 Oct 95 19:08:18 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01713; Mon, 16 Oct 95 19:08:17 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t51Pf-00038CC; Mon, 16 Oct 95 19:05 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: opti@idir.net (Optimation) Subject: Double mailings using lists Date: 16 Oct 1995 22:55:24 GMT Message-Id: <45unss$ppc@sequoia.idir.net> Status: O X-Status: I'm new to both pine and newsgroups so pardon any gaffs I may make with this posting. When I send email to a group or reply to email sent to a group everyone receives two copies. This is very annoying! Are my groups set up incorrectly or what? Cortney S. Hunt (opti@idir.net) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 16 19:58:40 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23119; Mon, 16 Oct 95 19:58:40 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28275; Mon, 16 Oct 95 19:53:25 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28263; Mon, 16 Oct 95 19:53:23 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t527F-00038DC; Mon, 16 Oct 95 19:50 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ssb4155@ecom.ecn.bgu.edu (EIU#114155 in SSB B-12 LAB) Subject: Re: Getting Mail headers without mail prog??? Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 19:28:27 Message-Id: References: <45bj41$71u@nic-nac.CSU.net> Status: O X-Status: In article jfh@austin.ibm.com (John F. Haugh II) writes: >From: jfh@austin.ibm.com (John F. Haugh II) >Subject: Re: Getting Mail headers without mail prog??? >Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 20:19:31 GMT >In article <45bj41$71u@nic-nac.CSU.net> dlegate@rsa.csuhayward.edu (Dan LeGate) writes: >>Okay, our sysadmin has cut off rights to /usr/bin/mail and /usr/bin/mailx >>and has allowed us only to use Pine, which I absolutely love, but I also >>like to use mail (or mailx) to list my mail headers (mail -H). To my >>knowledge, pine doesn't have a simple command-line feature to do this - >>correct me if I'm wrong. So my question is: does anyone know of any >>SMALL utilities out there that will list just your mail headers (besides >>mail and mailx)? Thanks for any help or information you can provide. >Is "awk" out of the question??? This sounds like a trick question ... >-- >John F. Haugh II PSP Division, IBM/Austin >SneakerNet: 905/4E016 MaBell: 512-823-8817 >InterNet: jfh@austin.ibm.com [Member SECA] VNET: JFH at AUSTIN From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 16 20:18:47 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23786; Mon, 16 Oct 95 20:18:47 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02806; Mon, 16 Oct 95 20:13:27 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02794; Mon, 16 Oct 95 20:13:25 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t52R8-00038DC; Mon, 16 Oct 95 20:11 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu@psg.com Subject: color Message-Id: Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 23:15:40 GMT Status: O X-Status: How do I get color text into pine? I seen it once before, but this person would not tell me how they did it. It would be great if someone could help me on this. glenn From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 16 21:25:29 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25273; Mon, 16 Oct 95 21:25:29 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03780; Mon, 16 Oct 95 21:18:16 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03774; Mon, 16 Oct 95 21:18:14 -0700 Received: from localhost by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18008; Mon, 16 Oct 95 21:18:13 -0700 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 03:48:59 +0100 (MET) From: URG ANTEL Subject: Forwarded mail.... To: pine-info-approval@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: pine-info-approval@cac.washington.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 21:18:04 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: David L Miller Resent-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Resent-Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 23:46:16 +0100 (MET) From: URG ANTEL To: pine-info-request@cac.washington.edu Subject: We are the National Telecommunications Administration of Uruguay and we are the only providers of Internet commercial service in this country. We have been using your very useful program through ITU and would appreciate if you could tell us if it possible to install t and provide if for our customers. We need to know if it is necessary to have a licence to install it. Thanks in advance for the information. My name and communications details are: Ing. Osvaldo Novoa ANTEL Av. Fernandez Crespo 1534 piso 4 Tel:+598 2 40 94 15 Fax:+598 2 48 38 44 e-mail:uy30008@antel.com.uy Best regards, From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 16 21:26:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25320; Mon, 16 Oct 95 21:26:31 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03788; Mon, 16 Oct 95 21:18:25 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03782; Mon, 16 Oct 95 21:18:23 -0700 Received: from localhost by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18014; Mon, 16 Oct 95 21:18:23 -0700 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 04:12:10 +0100 (MET) From: URG ANTEL Subject: Re: Forwarded mail.... In-Reply-To: To: pine-info-approval@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: pine-info-approval@cac.washington.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 21:18:16 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: David L Miller Resent-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Resent-Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: >From antelgbl@ties.itu.ch Tue Oct 17 03:49:59 1995 Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 23:46:16 +0100 (MET) From: URG ANTEL To: pine-info-request@cac.washington.edu We are the National Telecommunications Administration of Uruguay and we are the only providers of Internet commercial service in this country. We have been using your very useful program through ITU and would appreciate if you could tell us if it possible to install and provide it for our customers. We need to know if it is necessary to have a licence to install it. Thanks in advance for the information. My name and communications details are: Ing. Osvaldo Novoa ANTEL Av. Fernandez Crespo 1534 piso 4 Tel:+598 2 40 94 15 Fax:+598 2 48 38 44 e-mail:uy30008@antel.com.uy Best regards, From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 16 22:17:26 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26528; Mon, 16 Oct 95 22:17:26 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00505; Mon, 16 Oct 95 22:03:39 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00499; Mon, 16 Oct 95 22:03:38 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t5475-00038CC; Mon, 16 Oct 95 21:58 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rexrob@ibm.net (Robin Coss) Subject: HELP!!!! Im looking for a Easy Dos based Pine reader Date: 17 Oct 1995 01:36:47 GMT Message-Id: <45v1bf$1joo@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> Status: O X-Status: I am in sydney and I am going back to London with my girl friend and I want to get her parent on the net so they can use my pine account when we leave they live out in the sticks so they can't only spend a short amount of time on the phone because of the cost They have a 286 dos based machine which will not run windows and a big dose of techophobia I need to find a Dos based mail reader for pine or telnet offline if possible which an eldly couple can use with out to much of a problem If any body has any info I will be in there debt for ever your sincerly Robin Coss Down Under... From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 16 22:30:36 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26921; Mon, 16 Oct 95 22:30:36 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04753; Mon, 16 Oct 95 22:23:43 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04747; Mon, 16 Oct 95 22:23:41 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t54UB-00038DC; Mon, 16 Oct 95 22:22 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Jordan Subject: Config for remote IMAP folders Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 20:33:18 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I've read every document on Pine's WWW pages at Washington, all documents that came with the PC-Pine Windows version, and still am unable to determine how to configure PC-Pine for use with my remote account. My confusion... If I'm not mistaken, shouldn't a user of PC-Pine be prompted for a password if accessing a remote folder/collection? I believe PC-Pine allows for a file called PINE.PWD... does this file contain these passwords? If so, how does one get the password (supposed to be encripted per FAQ) into the file? My attempts to run PC-Pine have not resulted in any prompts for a password. I believe I have the configuration correct to access the remote folders... however, everytime I try, I get an error. I believe because I need the password, somehow, someway. Any help appreciated. TIA ============================================================================ Mark J. Jordan, Programmer/Analyst inet: mjordan@grfn.org 1036 Fuller NE voice: 616.776.1883 Grand Rapids, 49503 in person: At your own risk. _MICHIGAN COMMUNITY BLOOD CENTER_ A non-profit organization and exclusive provider of blood and blood products to all Kent County hospitals! ~~ GIVE THE GIFT OF LIFE, GIVE BLOOD! ~~ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 17 00:34:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28928; Tue, 17 Oct 95 00:34:06 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02658; Tue, 17 Oct 95 00:23:58 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02652; Tue, 17 Oct 95 00:23:57 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t56Kz-00038CC; Tue, 17 Oct 95 00:21 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jgvd@guava.epix.net (Jonathan and DearOldDad) Subject: Re: Bug or Feature? Date: 14 Oct 1995 01:21:44 GMT Message-Id: <45n3b8$jei@guava.epix.net> References: <45jqus$gle@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca> Status: O X-Status: Robert Rolf (rrolf@gpu3.srv.ualberta.ca) wrote: : I just noticed an interesting 'feature' in Pine 3.91. : If you have marked a message in your INBOX for deletion, but decide : to save it to a folder instead, the saved message is tagged for : deletion there too. True : If you have big folders (as I often do), you may not notice that there : are one too many deletion tags, and ZAP, you've just nuked a message : you actually wanted to keep. : I don't know about you, but if I've saved something to a folder, I generally : did so because I wanted to KEEP it, not delete it. Save it first, before you delete it from your inbox. Pine will (unless you have played with your (s)etup (C)config thingy) save it to your designated folder AND delete it from your inbox! : Please fix this in 3.92 (trivial I'm sure). Repeat ... (s)ave it first .. it should be saved to your chosen folder AND deleted from your inbox. Hope this helps! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 17 02:23:13 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01301; Tue, 17 Oct 95 02:23:13 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07816; Tue, 17 Oct 95 02:09:15 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07810; Tue, 17 Oct 95 02:09:14 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t57ys-00038CC; Tue, 17 Oct 95 02:06 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Re: Receipt for sentmail Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 12:05:26 -0400 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: On 15 Oct 1995, Pulp Fiction wrote: | I recently sent mail to someone on compuserve. They didnt received any | mail from me, after 1 week. I did not get any error messages, or address | not found error messages. | Is there any way of attaching a receipt to the mail, so that you get a | reply telling u your mail made it to the address indicated Maybe -- it depends on the receiving system. Go into Setup/Config and create a custom header Return-Receipt-To: your-email-address When you send mail, some receiving systems will honor this and send you back a return receipt, and some will not. Although I have not tried it, I strongly suspect that CompuServe will probably _not_ honor it. There is no requirement in the Internet standards that a receiving system do so, so it is sort of pot luck. By the way, the return receipt does NOT mean that the recipient has read it -- it only means that it got there. Paul -------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett P. O. Box 857 Vienna, VA 22183-0857 U.S.A. Finger, keyserver, or email for PGP 2.6 public key -------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 17 04:03:18 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03238; Tue, 17 Oct 95 04:03:18 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05324; Tue, 17 Oct 95 03:49:29 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05318; Tue, 17 Oct 95 03:49:28 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t59Vs-00038CC; Tue, 17 Oct 95 03:44 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ymt@sable.ox.ac.uk Subject: Re: removing those "sentmail" files? Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 10:53:53 +0100 Message-Id: References: <45hfdh$eq@murphy.servtech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <45hfdh$eq@murphy.servtech.com> Status: O X-Status: On 11 Oct 1995, david romano wrote: > Is there a way to disable the saving of "sentmail" files or redirecting it > to a global one that I can purge in a crontab every night? or how about a > script to go through each users dir and kill that "sentmail" file? These > are getting pretty big! How about having the file overwrite itself at least > - without appending to it - then it wouldn't grow out of control?? >... If you want to disable it then make sure in your pine configuration default-fcc = i.e., when you setup your configuration and change its value, ONLY enter a blank space. Of course, you can give it any folder name you like. Hope this helps... From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 17 07:41:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08606; Tue, 17 Oct 95 07:41:54 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12390; Tue, 17 Oct 95 07:34:58 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12384; Tue, 17 Oct 95 07:34:56 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t5D6I-00038DC; Tue, 17 Oct 95 07:34 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: DJ JOE Subject: MAJOR PROBLEM, NEED HELP! Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 02:03:23 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I've been using pine for a long time now but recently I transferred school and my new account at this school does not run pine. Is it possible to obtain pine and run it on my new account even though it isnt supported at this account? I really can't stand not using pine so if someone can help me with this please e-mail me back. Thanks. -joe __ /\ \ __ __ Joe Miranda \_\ \ /\_\ /\_\ ___ __ Purdue University /'_` \ \/\ \ \/\ \ / __`\ /'__`\ Young Grad. House #512-2 /\ \L\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \/\ \L\ \/\ __/ W. Lafayette, IN 47906 \ \___,_\_\ \ \ _\ \ \ \____/\ \____\ \/__,_ /\ \_\ \ /\ \_\ \/___/ \/____/ Tel: (317) 495-6461 \ \____/ \ \____/ \/___/ \/___/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 17 09:16:58 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14498; Tue, 17 Oct 95 09:16:58 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11260; Tue, 17 Oct 95 09:05:08 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11254; Tue, 17 Oct 95 09:05:06 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t5EUg-00038CC; Tue, 17 Oct 95 09:03 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Brad Subject: Re: Incoming message folders Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 11:25:32 +0100 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: I agree that this would be a better system. ... For me. :) Maybe there could be an option for it in the config screen? ___ _ (`') _a' /( <. !Simon Bradley, Knight Protector! / __><_>._ _ _`'___ ._ _ ~~ _}\ \( _ ) (`') E-mail: syb3@aber.ac.uk \__ \| || ' ' |/ . \| ' | \(,_(,)' `' Finger: syb3@osfb.aber.ac.uk <___/|_||_|_|_|\___/|_|_| ._>, _>, URL: http://www.aber.ac.uk/~syb3/ On 15 Oct 1995, Ken Arromdee wrote: > Is there any way to change this behavior so that it checks for messages > that I have never read rather than messages I have never seen indexed? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 17 09:26:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15119; Tue, 17 Oct 95 09:26:06 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11554; Tue, 17 Oct 95 09:15:04 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shivams.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11548; Tue, 17 Oct 95 09:15:03 -0700 Received: from muddog.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14367; Tue, 17 Oct 95 09:14:52 -0700 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 09:14:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Mark Jordan Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Config for remote IMAP folders In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Organization: University of Washington; Office of Computing & Communications X-Sender: gray@shivams.cac.washington.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Yah know, it would *really* be helpful if you mention *exactly* what error you get. I'm guessing it's a "connection refused" which means the server doesn't support IMAP, but only you have the crucial info to know for sure. -teg On Fri, 13 Oct 1995, Mark Jordan wrote: > I've read every document on Pine's WWW pages at Washington, all documents > that came with the PC-Pine Windows version, and still am unable to > determine how to configure PC-Pine for use with my remote account. > > My confusion... If I'm not mistaken, shouldn't a user of PC-Pine be > prompted for a password if accessing a remote folder/collection? I > believe PC-Pine allows for a file called PINE.PWD... does this file > contain these passwords? If so, how does one get the password (supposed > to be encripted per FAQ) into the file? My attempts to run PC-Pine have > not resulted in any prompts for a password. > > I believe I have the configuration correct to access the remote > folders... however, everytime I try, I get an error. I believe because I > need the password, somehow, someway. > > Any help appreciated. TIA > > ============================================================================ > Mark J. Jordan, Programmer/Analyst inet: mjordan@grfn.org > 1036 Fuller NE voice: 616.776.1883 > Grand Rapids, 49503 in person: At your own risk. > > _MICHIGAN COMMUNITY BLOOD CENTER_ > A non-profit organization and exclusive provider of blood and blood > products to all Kent County hospitals! > > ~~ GIVE THE GIFT OF LIFE, GIVE BLOOD! ~~ > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 17 09:32:24 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15564; Tue, 17 Oct 95 09:32:24 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15360; Tue, 17 Oct 95 09:25:11 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15354; Tue, 17 Oct 95 09:25:10 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t5EoO-00038CC; Tue, 17 Oct 95 09:24 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: klausner@austin.ibm.com (Ben Klausner) Subject: Re: Getting Mail headers without mail prog??? Date: 17 Oct 1995 16:01:27 GMT Message-Id: <460k0n$dac@ausnews.austin.ibm.com> References: <45bj41$71u@nic-nac.csu.net> Status: O X-Status: In article <45bj41$71u@nic-nac.csu.net>, Dan LeGate wrote: >Okay, our sysadmin has cut off rights to /usr/bin/mail and /usr/bin/mailx >and has allowed us only to use Pine, which I absolutely love, but I also >like to use mail (or mailx) to list my mail headers (mail -H). To my >knowledge, pine doesn't have a simple command-line feature to do this - >correct me if I'm wrong. So my question is: does anyone know of any >SMALL utilities out there that will list just your mail headers (besides >mail and mailx)? Thanks for any help or information you can provide. > >Dan If you are running X, there is a utility called tkpostage you could use. Its a replacement for xbiff, and normally shows how many messages you have waiting. When you click on the icon, it lists all the headers. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ben Klausner (512) 823-0924 - T/L 793-0924 Austin Site Information Technology IBM, RS/6000 Division From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 17 09:50:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16273; Tue, 17 Oct 95 09:50:54 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12350; Tue, 17 Oct 95 09:45:14 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12342; Tue, 17 Oct 95 09:45:12 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t5F78-00038CC; Tue, 17 Oct 95 09:43 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mathias@merlion.singnet.com.sg (Mathias Koerber) Subject: rot13 in pine? Date: 17 Oct 1995 13:13:02 GMT Message-Id: <460a4u$mf5@lantana.singnet.com.sg> Status: O X-Status: Is there builtin rot13 function in pine? -- Mathias Koerber mathias@singnet.com.sg SingNet NOC Mathias_Koerber@POBOX.ORG.SG Singapore Telecoms * Eifersucht ist eine Leidenschaft, die mit Eifer sucht was Leiden schafft * From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 17 11:31:05 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20744; Tue, 17 Oct 95 11:31:05 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18763; Tue, 17 Oct 95 11:26:02 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from asl-labs.bc.ca by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18729; Tue, 17 Oct 95 11:24:58 -0700 Received: by asl3.asl-labs.bc.ca (5.4R3.10/200.2.1.5) id AA11579; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 11:13:58 -0700 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 11:13:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "Brian P. Hampson" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Getting Mail headers without mail prog??? In-Reply-To: <460k0n$dac@ausnews.austin.ibm.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On 17 Oct 1995, Ben Klausner wrote: > In article <45bj41$71u@nic-nac.csu.net>, > Dan LeGate wrote: > >Okay, our sysadmin has cut off rights to /usr/bin/mail and /usr/bin/mailx > >and has allowed us only to use Pine, which I absolutely love, but I also > >like to use mail (or mailx) to list my mail headers (mail -H). To my > >knowledge, pine doesn't have a simple command-line feature to do this - > >correct me if I'm wrong. So my question is: does anyone know of any > >SMALL utilities out there that will list just your mail headers (besides > >mail and mailx)? Thanks for any help or information you can provide. Run Pine with an initial keystroke of "i" to get you into the INDEX on startup? B. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Brian P. Hampson Internet: brian@asl-labs.bc.ca | |System Administrator, | |Analytical Service Labs Fidonet : Brian Hampson 1:153/733 | |Vancouver, BC | |+604-253-4188 | | Specialists in Environmental Chemistry | | | ------------------http://www.asl-labs.bc.ca/---------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 17 11:39:38 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21192; Tue, 17 Oct 95 11:39:38 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19016; Tue, 17 Oct 95 11:34:41 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from dekalb.vf.mmc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19007; Tue, 17 Oct 95 11:34:39 -0700 Received: from franklin.vf.mmc.com (franklin.VF.GE.COM [166.17.5.51]) by dekalb.vf.mmc.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA24083 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 14:34:38 -0400 Received: from mmpcs1.psf.ge.com (mmpcs1.PSF.GE.COM [166.16.124.4]) by franklin.vf.mmc.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id OAA31982 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 14:34:37 -0400 Received: by mmpcs1.psf.ge.com (4.1/MMC Sun server N-3.4) id AA14436; Tue, 17 Oct 95 14:33:18 EDT Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 14:33:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Sugarman To: Pine Info Mailing List Subject: Locating VAX Pine Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Would someone send me the ftp or http site address for VAX Pine. (I've lost my notes. :( ) Thanks, Don Sugarman sugarman@mmpcs1.psf.ge.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 17 12:00:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22132; Tue, 17 Oct 95 12:00:54 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19577; Tue, 17 Oct 95 11:57:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from saul5.u.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19571; Tue, 17 Oct 95 11:57:19 -0700 Received: by saul5.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01324; Tue, 17 Oct 95 11:57:15 -0700 X-Sender: absweger@saul5.u.washington.edu Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 11:57:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrew Sweger To: Mathias Koerber Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: rot13 in pine? In-Reply-To: <460a4u$mf5@lantana.singnet.com.sg> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: No. But, | tr 'a-zA-Z' 'n-za-mN-ZA-M' or | rot13 if you've got it. This requires that the pipe option is enabled. -- / Andrew B. Sweger absweger@u.washington.edu // Computer Support Manager csg@fammed.washington.edu \\ Department of Family Medicine // University of Washington (206) 685-4337 / Box 355304 (206) 685-0610 (Fax) ---- Seattle, WA 98195-5304 -------------------------------------------------- The great thing about multitasking is that several things can go wrong at once. On 17 Oct 1995, Mathias Koerber wrote: > Is there builtin rot13 function in pine? > > -- > Mathias Koerber mathias@singnet.com.sg > SingNet NOC Mathias_Koerber@POBOX.ORG.SG > Singapore Telecoms > * Eifersucht ist eine Leidenschaft, die mit Eifer sucht was Leiden schafft * > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 17 14:36:26 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00796; Tue, 17 Oct 95 14:36:26 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23887; Tue, 17 Oct 95 14:30:59 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23881; Tue, 17 Oct 95 14:30:58 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t5JZe-00038KC; Tue, 17 Oct 95 14:29 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mwlee@yorktown.ee.nus.sg (Lee Man Wei) Subject: Sending PS files Date: 9 Oct 1995 03:27:17 GMT Message-Id: <45a4ql$t8u@nuscc.nus.sg> Status: O X-Status: I am using Pine 3.85 on a UNIX platform. When I try to send a postscript file (which is ASCII), Pine seems to encode the file before sending. Problems arises when the receiving side does not use pine, the received mail contains junk. The receiving is OK if pine is used. Can anyone point me to ways to Turn off the Encoding? Thanks. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 17 15:53:32 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04652; Tue, 17 Oct 95 15:53:32 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22002; Tue, 17 Oct 95 15:50:54 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from dcdmjw.fnal.gov by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21996; Tue, 17 Oct 95 15:50:52 -0700 Received: by dcdmjw.fnal.gov via SMTP (931110.SGI/920502.SGI) id AA23311; Tue, 17 Oct 95 17:50:37 -0500 Message-Id: <9510172250.AA23311@dcdmjw.fnal.gov> To: saken@chardos.connix.com (Scott Kenney) Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, cmoseber@dcdmjw.fnal.gov Subject: I want even more with MH folders Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 17:50:37 CDT From: Clyde Moseberry Status: O X-Status: From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 17 16:52:53 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07523; Tue, 17 Oct 95 16:52:53 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27415; Tue, 17 Oct 95 16:48:31 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27409; Tue, 17 Oct 95 16:48:25 -0700 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Wed, 18 Oct 95 07:45:11 +0800 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 07:45:10 +0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko To: Lee Man Wei Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Sending PS files In-Reply-To: <45a4ql$t8u@nuscc.nus.sg> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On 9 Oct 1995, Lee Man Wei wrote: > I am using Pine 3.85 on a UNIX platform. > > When I try to send a postscript file (which is ASCII), Pine seems to encode the > file before sending. Problems arises when the receiving side does not use pine, > the received mail contains junk. The receiving is OK if pine is used. > > Can anyone point me to ways to Turn off the Encoding? Thanks. You may not want to turn off encoding of PostScript files. The reason is many PostScript files will have lines which are greater than 1000 characters in length. These long lines tend to get "folded" in transit. Also, PostScript files can contain more than 7bit ASCII. Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 17 17:38:56 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09700; Tue, 17 Oct 95 17:38:56 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24577; Tue, 17 Oct 95 17:32:36 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24571; Tue, 17 Oct 95 17:32:35 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t5MOs-00038CC; Tue, 17 Oct 95 17:30 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: MAILER-DAEMON@mx1.cac.washington.edu (Some Guy) Subject: Strange pine behavior Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 16:42:17 GMT Status: O X-Status: I'm getting some strange behavior from pine and was wondering if anyone had a clue as to why. This may be more of a unix thing than a pine thing, but here it goes anyway. I have this snippet of code in my .profile: (This is running on a SparcServer 1000 w/ Solaris 2.2, charget is a small executable that gets a single character from stdin and echoes it to stdout) if [[ -s /usr/mail/$LOGNAME ]]; then print from print print "Read mail now?" if [[ $(charget) = y ]] ; then pine -i fi fi The wierd behavior is that if I suspend pine when this code runs it, I end up nowhere (ie no shell). There is nothing I can do from that point but kill the telnet session, then log back in and kill the process (it locks my mail folder). When I kill the process it goes and stays there. If I suspend pine after running it from the command line, everything is fine, I end up in ksh. Why is this happening, and is there anything I can do to make pine suspendable from the .profile startup. I tried putting 'ksh pine -i' in place of 'pine -i', but then it wouldn't run at all. TIA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 17 19:03:49 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12023; Tue, 17 Oct 95 19:03:49 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25952; Tue, 17 Oct 95 18:55:27 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25946; Tue, 17 Oct 95 18:55:22 -0700 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Wed, 18 Oct 95 09:52:09 +0800 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 09:52:09 +0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Minor pine problem Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hi, I just noticed a minor problem with pine. Pine does not check permissions on a file at the time you enter it as an attachment. It only notices it at the time of sending and then it sends the message sans attachment. Regards, Ed P.S. That's pine 3.91 BTW.... Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 17 19:24:40 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12487; Tue, 17 Oct 95 19:24:40 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00378; Tue, 17 Oct 95 19:17:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00366; Tue, 17 Oct 95 19:17:49 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t5O1w-00038CC; Tue, 17 Oct 95 19:14 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dvanderr@oracle.com (Danny van der Rijn) Subject: Re: Getting Mail headers without mail prog??? Date: 17 Oct 1995 22:30:12 GMT Message-Id: References: <45bj41$71u@nic-nac.CSU.net> In-Reply-To: dlegate@rsa.csuhayward.edu's message of 9 Oct 1995 16:37:21 GMT Status: O X-Status: In article <45bj41$71u@nic-nac.CSU.net> dlegate@rsa.csuhayward.edu (Dan LeGate) writes: >So my question is: does anyone know of any >SMALL utilities out there that will list just your mail headers (besides >mail and mailx)? Thanks for any help or information you can provide. > /usr/ucb/from >Dan -- This opinion will self destruct in 5 seconds. Danny van der Rijn--dvanderr@oracle.com || Take my advice --- || *I'm* certainly not using it. (415) 506-3142 || From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 17 19:28:43 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12631; Tue, 17 Oct 95 19:28:43 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26398; Tue, 17 Oct 95 19:23:04 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26392; Tue, 17 Oct 95 19:23:02 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t5O6v-00038DC; Tue, 17 Oct 95 19:20 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: uncia@selway.umt.edu (James F Johnson) Subject: How do I install PINE for AIX ? Date: 17 Oct 1995 16:33:39 -0600 Message-Id: <461b03$9r1@selway.umt.edu> Status: O X-Status: I have a login account on an IBM RS6000 running AIX. I do not have admin or root priviliges. Can I install pine as my mail interface, running it from my home directory or some subdirectory thereof? Ifso, howso? Thanks, Jim Johnson From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 17 19:31:37 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12703; Tue, 17 Oct 95 19:31:37 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00550; Tue, 17 Oct 95 19:27:51 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00542; Tue, 17 Oct 95 19:27:49 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t5OC9-00038DC; Tue, 17 Oct 95 19:25 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pbotney1@vaxa.hofstra.edu (FB) Subject: ==Help, I dont understand== Message-Id: <1995Oct14.140428.1@vaxa> Date: 14 Oct 95 14:04:28 EST Status: O X-Status: --I am so confused at this point working in pine. In another program, I am able to get a list of all the news groups available and look into each group to see the messages posted. I am unable to do this in pine. I cant even see what news groups are out there to post on. I cant even find this news group on the other computer using pine. How do I set up pine to allow me access. I am very new to this program so please make it simple. How do I do the setup configuration? How do I setup the index folder for news groups? Also, how do I remove deleted e-mail without quitting pine? All ideas and coments are grealy appreciated. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Always looking . . . . for places to /O / . . |>> ride on /| | / . . | Long Island. ;|_|; E . . . . | AMA & NETRA / / Z . . . . | member. \ \ A . . ...o | Riding is the \ \K . ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ biggest high. I . I'd rather be Golfing! M . _/ It's OK to get teed off. K A . {__o _____ . )'/""\__________ ' \\ . ___ //| KLR \________|--. O// . `//\ \-----\---250_)== \ \_\ . .***//\ |_| |/ .***. ,,,;))^ | |. * ,//* ` \__._/======,, * ,,,;))1991^ / .| * '' * * '' * ,,,;))#KLR250#^ / . | `***' `***',,,;))%#KAWASAKI#%^ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 17 20:30:16 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13884; Tue, 17 Oct 95 20:30:16 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27356; Tue, 17 Oct 95 20:27:58 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27350; Tue, 17 Oct 95 20:27:56 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t5P5w-00038CC; Tue, 17 Oct 95 20:23 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: csb@sjfc.edu (Coenraad Bakker) Subject: Posting News from Pine 3.91 Message-Id: <1995Oct17.200956.24252@ac.sjfc.edu> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 20:09:56 GMT Status: O X-Status: I am having problems posting news from Pine. Reading news is no problem. I have two questions: 1. When I post a news article from pine, it appears to do everything correct but the article never shows up in the local news directory as it does when I post with Pnews. Can anybody explain this? 2. Assuming posting from pine works, how do you restrict the distribution to, say, local or usa if the default is world? Any help will be appreciated. -- Coenraad Bakker Director Academic Computing Services St. John Fisher College 3690 East Avenue From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 17 23:21:05 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18192; Tue, 17 Oct 95 23:21:05 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04331; Tue, 17 Oct 95 23:18:19 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04325; Tue, 17 Oct 95 23:18:18 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t5RmZ-00038CC; Tue, 17 Oct 95 23:15 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Ronald Wahl Subject: Re: Any PGP interface to PINE? Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 09:08:51 +0100 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: On 15 Oct 1995, Aaron Aw wrote: > Dear All, > Does anyone know how I can interface PINE with PGP in order to > include digital signature?? Thanks Look for mkpgp with archie or look in a good pgp archive. Ronald -- \ Ronald Wahl --- rwa@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de \ \ WWW: http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~row \ \ Talk: rwa@goliath.csn.tu-chemnitz.de \ \ PGP key available by finger to my email address \ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 17 23:55:58 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18963; Tue, 17 Oct 95 23:55:58 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04827; Tue, 17 Oct 95 23:51:10 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ihipms.ihip.pku.edu.cn by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04815; Tue, 17 Oct 95 23:50:45 -0700 Received: from hs651.ihip.pku.edu.cn by ihipms with SMTP (5.65/1.2-eef) id AA08397; Wed, 18 Oct 95 14:57:53 +0800 Received: by hs651.ihip.pku.edu.cn.ihip.pku.edu.cn (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02545; Wed, 18 Oct 95 14:49:16 CST Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 14:49:15 +0800 (CST) From: Dayong Liu To: DJ JOE Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: MAJOR PROBLEM, NEED HELP! In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Dear Joe, I am new about the mail-list so I don't know how to send re:'s to the list, I can only send right to you. Why don't you have a look of the homepage of Pine Info Center? The URL is: http://www.washington.edu:1180/pine -- Dayong Liu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 18 00:11:27 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19358; Wed, 18 Oct 95 00:11:27 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00699; Wed, 18 Oct 95 00:08:28 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00693; Wed, 18 Oct 95 00:08:27 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t5SZ5-00038DC; Wed, 18 Oct 95 00:05 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Dawn M Pierpoint Subject: Getting a listing of All News Groups Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 10:03:18 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: How do you automatically get a listing of all of the news groups. I have to keep going through the subscribe process and it takes ages. Thank Dawn Dpierpoi@ic.sunysb.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 18 00:34:00 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19940; Wed, 18 Oct 95 00:34:00 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05373; Wed, 18 Oct 95 00:28:34 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05367; Wed, 18 Oct 95 00:28:32 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t5SrG-00038DC; Wed, 18 Oct 95 00:24 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jfesler@gigo.com (Jason Fesler) Subject: Re: Getting Mail headers without mail prog??? Date: 10 Oct 95 08:40:21 Message-Id: <276_9510101049@gigo.com> References: <45bj41$71u@nic-nac.CSU.net> Status: O X-Status: -=> Quoting dlegate@rsa.csuhayward.edu to All <=- dl> feature to do this - correct me if I'm wrong. So my question is: does dl> anyone know of any SMALL utilities out there that will list just your dl> mail headers (besides mail and mailx)? Thanks for any help or dl> information you can provide. I'd cheat. egrep "From:|Subject:" /var/mail/jfesler There are more elegant solutions than that, but.. ;-). -- | Jason Fesler | Disguised as jfesler or jfroot@infomania.com when working | GIGO support mailing list: listserv@gigo.com, msg body "subscribe gigo" | Remember kids, don't park and drive - accidents make people! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 18 02:01:11 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22745; Wed, 18 Oct 95 02:01:11 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02330; Wed, 18 Oct 95 01:54:02 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02324; Wed, 18 Oct 95 01:54:01 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t5UCR-00038CC; Wed, 18 Oct 95 01:50 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Guy Schlosser Subject: pcpine Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 00:26:09 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hi, I'm trying to use PC-pine over a PPP connection. I'm using the DOS based version and am running into a few problems. First of all, the network I'm trying to run it on does not have an Imap server installed. If I want to send one to the system administrator to be installed, which one would I use for BSDI unix? I looked through the archive at ftp.cac.washington.edu in directory /pine/unix-bin-compressed, and I didn't see an Imap program for bsdi. Also, is there any way possible to run pine over a pop3 server? If so, I'd appreciate knowing how. Lastly, is Imap pretty easy to install? If anyone can answer these questions for me, I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks a bunch. Guy (guy@toledolink.com) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 18 04:28:38 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27734; Wed, 18 Oct 95 04:28:38 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09257; Wed, 18 Oct 95 04:14:05 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09251; Wed, 18 Oct 95 04:14:03 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t5WPI-00038DC; Wed, 18 Oct 95 04:11 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hfreder@hardy.math.okstate.edu (HICKS FREDERICK W) Subject: Multiple incoming folders -- setting up, specification, etc Date: 18 Oct 1995 07:32:33 GMT Message-Id: <462aih$9u7@news.cis.okstate.edu> Status: O X-Status: I've got a .maildelivery set up to append messages to already existing folders in pine -- things in my ~hfreder/Mail directory -- and I want pine to be intelligent and realise that some of the folders in that directory are indeed incoming message folders. I tried enabling multiple incoming folders, yippee, and then 'a'dding in a new incoming folder specifying, well, near as I can bloody tell, an already existing folder. Now I've got an incoming folder that I can't delete because it doesn't exist as far as pine can tell, and on top of it I'm no closer to having one of my already existing folders specified as an incoming folder. Solutions to both of the above implied problems would be greatly appreciated. Email is likely to get to me faster than posting to this group, but a message delivered in either fashion would be much appreciated. Thanks. -- _______________________________________________________________________________ Frederick W. Hicks IV | "The difference between Heaven and Hell is which hfreder@math.okstate.edu | end of the pitchfork you're on." http://www.io.com/user/iago/ | -- Rev. Sheldon deWehr, Church of the SubGenius From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 18 05:28:13 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29076; Wed, 18 Oct 95 05:28:13 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05628; Wed, 18 Oct 95 05:13:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from world.bostech.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05622; Wed, 18 Oct 95 05:13:43 -0700 Received: from btrd.bostech.com (opus.bostech.com) by world.bostech.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24973; Wed, 18 Oct 95 08:04:40 EDT Received: from emerald.bostech.com by btrd.bostech.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA25210; Wed, 18 Oct 95 08:08:18 EDT Date: Wed, 18 Oct 95 08:08:17 EDT From: john@bostech.com Message-Id: <9510181208.AA25210@btrd.bostech.com> Received: by emerald.bostech.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07945; Wed, 18 Oct 95 08:08:16 EDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: unsubscribe Reply-To: john@bostech.com (John Eismeier) Status: O X-Status: unsubscribe john@bostech.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 18 05:30:01 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29151; Wed, 18 Oct 95 05:30:01 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05651; Wed, 18 Oct 95 05:14:18 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05645; Wed, 18 Oct 95 05:14:17 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t5XLb-00038CC; Wed, 18 Oct 95 05:11 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Ronald Wahl Subject: problem with imapcopy/imapmove Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 15:23:46 +0100 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hi, I use imapcopy with imap3.6beta and have a little problem. If I copy/move my mailbox to my local machine all new articles are no longer new -> they are marked as read. How can I prevent this? TIA, Ronald. -- \ Ronald Wahl --- rwa@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de \ \ WWW: http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~row \ \ Talk: rwa@goliath.csn.tu-chemnitz.de \ \ PGP key available by finger to my email address \ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 18 05:47:40 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29545; Wed, 18 Oct 95 05:47:40 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05879; Wed, 18 Oct 95 05:29:24 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05873; Wed, 18 Oct 95 05:29:22 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t5XWW-00038HC; Wed, 18 Oct 95 05:23 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Frederic Udina Subject: Re: Can see nothing!! Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 09:34:18 +0100 Message-Id: References: <45ij6r$7j3@nuscc.nus.sg> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <45ij6r$7j3@nuscc.nus.sg> Status: O X-Status: > > what must i do to allow others to see my plan on fingering me?? > perhaps you need to allow 'others' and 'group' users to read the file. Try typing chmod og+r .plan at the unix prompt while staying in your home directory. Frederic Udina _______________________________________________________________________ | voice: 34 - 3 - 542 17 56 Facultat de Ciencies Economiques | fax: 34 - 3 - 542 17 46 Universitat Pompeu Fabra | e-mail: udina@upf.es Balmes 132 | appleLink: spa0172 08008 Barcelona | Servicom: sva00484 SPAIN | W W Web: http://libiya.upf.es/ ___________________________________/_\_________________________________ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 18 05:50:11 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29611; Wed, 18 Oct 95 05:50:11 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10251; Wed, 18 Oct 95 05:29:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10245; Wed, 18 Oct 95 05:29:20 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t5XWi-00038KC; Wed, 18 Oct 95 05:23 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Frederic Udina Subject: adjusting time-to-look-for-new-mail Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 09:43:52 +0100 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Is it possible to adjust the sampling time for new mail pine uses? I will like it to react faster to mail arrival because I use 'newmail' to announce me arrival of new mail, and pine does'nt react to the event until several seconds later. Alternatively, is there some pine command to force pine to look for new mail? This could solve my problem too, because I know that there is new mail. In elm, I type '$' and elm is forced to re-read the inbox file. Thanks, Frederic Udina _______________________________________________________________________ | voice: 34 - 3 - 542 17 56 Facultat de Ciencies Economiques | fax: 34 - 3 - 542 17 46 Universitat Pompeu Fabra | e-mail: udina@upf.es Balmes 132 | appleLink: spa0172 08008 Barcelona | Servicom: sva00484 SPAIN | W W Web: http://libiya.upf.es/ ___________________________________/_\_________________________________ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 18 06:41:22 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00764; Wed, 18 Oct 95 06:41:22 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10919; Wed, 18 Oct 95 06:16:52 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from [192.131.246.207] by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10913; Wed, 18 Oct 95 06:16:49 -0700 Received: from belrs.belcan.com by SYSH.BELCAN.COM via Pony Express SMTP with TCP (v9.5.0-moe002); Wed, 18 Oct 95 09:14:12 EST Received: by belrs.belcan.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.04) id AA24548; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 09:19:00 -0400 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 09:19:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Thom Scott To: Pine Information Subject: ADDRESSBOOK UNREADABLE Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I recently edited the PINE global addressbook to remove someone and added someone else. (I have done this using "vi" many times before with no problem.) This time however I am getting the following messages eqach time I try to open the global addressbook: permission denied - no read access to file error opening/creating .globaladdressbook .globaladdressbook - cross-device link If I copy this file over to use as my personal addressbook it works fine. Any ideas? HELP! ****************************************************************************** * Thom Scott --- MIS Belcan Staffing Services Cincinnati, Ohio * * (513) 794-3492 trs@belrs.belcan.com GO REDS! GO TRIBE! * ****************************************************************************** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 18 07:06:37 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01511; Wed, 18 Oct 95 07:06:37 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11288; Wed, 18 Oct 95 06:41:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ihipms.ihip.pku.edu.cn by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11282; Wed, 18 Oct 95 06:41:41 -0700 Received: from hs651.ihip.pku.edu.cn by ihipms with SMTP (5.65/1.2-eef) id AA09819; Wed, 18 Oct 95 21:49:13 +0800 Received: by hs651.ihip.pku.edu.cn.ihip.pku.edu.cn (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00786; Wed, 18 Oct 95 21:40:50 CST Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 21:40:49 +0800 (CST) From: Dayong Liu To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Can see nothing!! In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: You might also need: % chmod og+x $home :-) _______________________________________________________________________________ Dayong Liu | "I never think of the future. It comes dyliu@hs651.ihip.pku.edu.cn | soon enough." http://hs651.ihip.pku.edu.cn/~dyliu | --- Albert Einstein ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 18 Oct 1995, Frederic Udina wrote: > > > > what must i do to allow others to see my plan on fingering me?? > > > > perhaps you need to allow 'others' and 'group' users to read the file. > Try typing > chmod og+r .plan > at the unix prompt while staying in your home directory. > > > Frederic Udina > _______________________________________________________________________ > | voice: 34 - 3 - 542 17 56 > Facultat de Ciencies Economiques | fax: 34 - 3 - 542 17 46 > Universitat Pompeu Fabra | e-mail: udina@upf.es > Balmes 132 | appleLink: spa0172 > 08008 Barcelona | Servicom: sva00484 > SPAIN | W W Web: http://libiya.upf.es/ > ___________________________________/_\_________________________________ > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 18 07:27:27 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02005; Wed, 18 Oct 95 07:27:27 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11738; Wed, 18 Oct 95 07:08:57 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11732; Wed, 18 Oct 95 07:08:51 -0700 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Wed, 18 Oct 95 22:05:36 +0800 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 22:05:35 +0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko To: Frederic Udina Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: adjusting time-to-look-for-new-mail In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 18 Oct 1995, Frederic Udina wrote: > Alternatively, is there some pine command to force pine to look for new > mail? This could solve my problem too, because I know that there is new > mail. In elm, I type '$' and elm is forced to re-read the inbox file. Use a "ctrl-l". It is equivalent to the $ in elm in that respect... and it repaints your screen. Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 18 10:43:02 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11829; Wed, 18 Oct 95 10:43:02 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16842; Wed, 18 Oct 95 10:33:30 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16836; Wed, 18 Oct 95 10:33:28 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t5cJ6-00038CC; Wed, 18 Oct 95 10:29 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Dawn M. Adelsberger-Mangan" Subject: Distribution Lists Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 13:32:40 GMT Status: O X-Status: I am having a problem with pine and large distribution lists. I want to create a distribution list of over 90 addresses (perhaps this problem is tied in with the bcc problem in another thread). I first tries one big list - then I broke the list up into parts and tried to create a "super" list with the aliases of the smaller lists. Still no dice. Its like pine just won't mail to all 90 people at once. Anyone got any ideas (soes this group have a FAQ). -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Dawn Adelsberger-Mangan dawn@holmes.acc.virginia.edu Univerity of Virginia 804.982.4711 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 18 12:00:56 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16398; Wed, 18 Oct 95 12:00:56 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14703; Wed, 18 Oct 95 11:53:39 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14697; Wed, 18 Oct 95 11:53:37 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t5dYe-00038CC; Wed, 18 Oct 95 11:49 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Jeffrey Goldberg Subject: Re: Any PGP interface to PINE? Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 18:25:17 +0100 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- [I am cross posting my follow-up to alt.security.pgp, it originated on comp.mail.pine] On 15 Oct 1995, Aaron Aw wrote: > Dear All, > Does anyone know how I can interface PINE with PGP in order to > include digital signature?? Thanks For Unix Pine there are a number of tools, all relaying on pine's ability to call an alternative editor. I use an outdated version of mkpgp which you can find out more about by sending mail to: deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu with the subject "send mkpgp" (I think that that is it). There are other tools, one is called BAP (Bryce's Auto PGP), and there is something else called autopgp, and yet another tool called editppg I don't have addresses for all of these, but I would suggest that if you have access to ftp or the WWW, try ftp ftp.pgp.net or http://www.pgp.net/pgp Many of these tools are available from those sites. You can also get Email help and PGP FAQs by sending mail with the subject "HELP PGP" (without the quotes) to galactus@stack.urc.tue.nl If anyone from the pgp group (which you may not get at your site) has further details about other tools or where to get this, I hereby encourage them to also send you (aaron@irdu.nus.sg) mail directly. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Give me a break here... > E-Mail: aaron@irdu.nus.sg Phone:(065) 772-8094 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeffrey Goldberg Email: J.Goldberg@Cranfield.ac.uk WWW: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2i iQCVAgUBMIU4XBu6nIqxqP+5AQGZ/gP/ciYXp0XdxbZ6kPu1F/CFCQGIPVYP4l0Z 5VlX5H+BfbtuAN9GCcH/ooVctQftRq6Qx4vslTVceC5p26+IaM6bwXiqR47lOZuP r51kXoVvTq07qq5Ex1l8MkcBX642E4WWspMtWtP9TZt2ScD6rDHdUApUI2bzzB55 z/dmM9wnnpg= =C7Ap -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 18 13:09:26 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20211; Wed, 18 Oct 95 13:09:26 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20989; Wed, 18 Oct 95 13:03:48 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20981; Wed, 18 Oct 95 13:03:46 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t5efI-00038CC; Wed, 18 Oct 95 13:00 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: frinke@zeus.informatik.uni-bonn.de (Axel C. Frinke) Subject: Re: How to get UUENCODED file mailed Date: 18 Oct 1995 16:21:00 GMT Message-Id: <4639hc$ngl@apoll.informatik.uni-bonn.de> References: <45s8c2$ava@news.ios.com> Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 16 Oct 1995 12:13:12 -0400, Paul O Bartlett (pobart@access.digex.net) wrote: > On 16 Oct 1995, Andre Ferchau wrote: > | I sent an attachment with Pine of a UUENCODED file..And it MiME'd it. > | Not sure how to just get it into a mail folder or just mail the UUENCODED > | file. > If the file is already UUENCODEd, then just put it into the message > text when you are composing mail. I don't know whether pine is able to read mail from stdin as ELM does. If so, you slightly can do something like uuencode | elm -s "Binary mail" (Sorry, I don't know the syntax for pine options in batch mode.) So long, Axel. --- crude WWW homepage at http://www.rhrz.uni-bonn.de/~uzs180 --- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 18 14:49:01 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24958; Wed, 18 Oct 95 14:49:01 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19189; Wed, 18 Oct 95 14:44:03 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19183; Wed, 18 Oct 95 14:44:01 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t5gFg-00038CC; Wed, 18 Oct 95 14:42 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: callagha@xi.cs.fsu.edu (Geoffrey Callaghan) Subject: Pico Date: 18 Oct 1995 19:14:38 GMT Message-Id: <463jmu$qaj@news.fsu.edu> Status: O X-Status: I am looking to get Pico for a sun sparc 2 station running sunos 4.1.3. I've tried a few ftp sites, but they are all dead or unreachable from where I'm at. Can anyone tell me a good spot for a recent version? Geoff Callaghan callagha@cs.fsu.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 18 15:23:18 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26784; Wed, 18 Oct 95 15:23:18 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24780; Wed, 18 Oct 95 15:19:12 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24774; Wed, 18 Oct 95 15:19:11 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t5gop-00038CC; Wed, 18 Oct 95 15:18 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Stephen Weihman Subject: Re: adjusting time-to-look-for-new-mail Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 15:23:15 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 18 Oct 1995, Frederic Udina wrote: > Alternatively, is there some pine command to force pine to look for new > mail? This could solve my problem too, because I know that there is new > mail. In elm, I type '$' and elm is forced to re-read the inbox file. While in the "INBOX" folder, enter 'X' and Pine will show any new mail, as well as expunge any mail you have marked to delete. -- Stephen From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 18 16:28:13 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29511; Wed, 18 Oct 95 16:28:13 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21598; Wed, 18 Oct 95 16:25:12 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21590; Wed, 18 Oct 95 16:25:10 -0700 Received: from localhost by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26008; Wed, 18 Oct 95 16:25:06 -0700 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 16:25:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Hubert To: "Dawn M. Adelsberger-Mangan" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Distribution Lists In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Organization: University of Washington; Computing and Communications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: There are some fixed size buffers in some versions of sendmail that you're probably running into. It will probably work better if you set your smtp-server configuration variable to the name of an smtp-server and use that method of delivery instead. You might start out by trying smtp-server=localhost. Steve Hubert Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle On Wed, 18 Oct 1995, Dawn M. Adelsberger-Mangan wrote: > > I am having a problem with pine and large distribution lists. I want to > create a distribution list of over 90 addresses (perhaps this problem is > tied in with the bcc problem in another thread). > > I first tries one big list - then I broke the list up into parts and > tried to create a "super" list with the aliases of the smaller lists. Still > no dice. Its like pine just won't mail to all 90 people at once. > > Anyone got any ideas (soes this group have a FAQ). > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Dawn Adelsberger-Mangan dawn@holmes.acc.virginia.edu > Univerity of Virginia 804.982.4711 > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 18 16:33:26 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29848; Wed, 18 Oct 95 16:33:26 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21743; Wed, 18 Oct 95 16:30:05 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21737; Wed, 18 Oct 95 16:30:04 -0700 Received: from localhost by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26170; Wed, 18 Oct 95 16:29:53 -0700 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 16:29:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Hubert To: Thom Scott Cc: Pine Information Subject: Re: ADDRESSBOOK UNREADABLE In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Organization: University of Washington; Computing and Communications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: This probably comes when your pine attempts to create a .globaladdressbook.lu file in the directory where .globaladdressbook is located. If you don't have permission to do that, it will try in /tmp, but if that is a different file system, you'd get the cross-device link problem. If that addressbook is supposed to be globally available, someone with the necessary permissions should create the .globaladdressbook.lu file. They could do that by listing .globaladdressbook as one of their regular personal address books and then accessing it (or use the -create_lu command line option). It could also be the case that the .lu file already exists but you don't have permission to read it. In that case, the permissions need to be fixed. Thanks. Steve Hubert Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle On Wed, 18 Oct 1995, Thom Scott wrote: > I recently edited the PINE global addressbook to remove someone and added > someone else. (I have done this using "vi" many times before with no > problem.) This time however I am getting the following messages eqach > time I try to open the global addressbook: > permission denied - no read access to file > error opening/creating .globaladdressbook > .globaladdressbook - cross-device link > > If I copy this file over to use as my personal addressbook it works fine. > Any ideas? HELP! > > ****************************************************************************** > * Thom Scott --- MIS Belcan Staffing Services Cincinnati, Ohio * > * (513) 794-3492 trs@belrs.belcan.com GO REDS! GO TRIBE! * > ****************************************************************************** > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 18 16:37:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00207; Wed, 18 Oct 95 16:37:23 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21843; Wed, 18 Oct 95 16:34:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21837; Wed, 18 Oct 95 16:34:16 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t5hwF-00038CC; Wed, 18 Oct 95 16:30 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sherwood@mailhost.space.ualberta.ca (System Administrator) Subject: Re: Multiple incoming folders -- setting up, specification, etc Date: 18 Oct 1995 19:08:55 GMT Message-Id: <463jc7$nee@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> References: <462aih$9u7@news.cis.okstate.edu> Status: O X-Status: HICKS FREDERICK W (hfreder@math.okstate.edu) wrote: : I've got a .maildelivery set up to append messages to already existing : folders in pine -- things in my ~hfreder/Mail directory -- and I want pine : to be intelligent and realise that some of the folders in that directory : are indeed incoming message folders. I tried enabling multiple incoming : folders, yippee, and then 'a'dding in a new incoming folder specifying, well, : near as I can bloody tell, an already existing folder. Now I've got an : incoming folder that I can't delete because it doesn't exist as far as pine : can tell, and on top of it I'm no closer to having one of my already existing : folders specified as an incoming folder. : Solutions to both of the above implied problems would be greatly appreciated. : Email is likely to get to me faster than posting to this group, but a message : delivered in either fashion would be much appreciated. For the incoming deletion problem, quit pine, and edit .pinerc by hand. You'll see where to edit. Pine by default does NOT reference incoming folders to your ~/mail/ directory, but refers to them starting from your home directory. So if you want the foo folder to be an incoming folder, specify it as ~/mail/foo -- Sherwood Botsford # sherwood@space.ualberta.ca Physics Dept # 403 492 5728 mornings (Math Dept) University of Alberta # 3713 afternoons 0714 Fax Edmonton, AB, T6G 2J1 # Contract Unix system admin & troubleshooting From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 18 16:57:15 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01183; Wed, 18 Oct 95 16:57:15 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27098; Wed, 18 Oct 95 16:54:19 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27092; Wed, 18 Oct 95 16:54:18 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t5iHO-00038CC; Wed, 18 Oct 95 16:52 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sherwood@mailhost.space.ualberta.ca (System Administrator) Subject: Re: Two (constructive) Suggestions. Date: 18 Oct 1995 19:27:48 GMT Message-Id: <463kfk$nee@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> References: Status: O X-Status: The problem is that 'almost'. It takes a minimum of 2 keystrokes. Plus the movement commands. Being abnormally fumble figered, getting a three finger process going is a lot more difficult than a two finger one. I use tin as my news reader, and dearly wish that pine would use tin key commands. e.g. T for tag. However keybindings can be a semi-religious issue. Eventually, perhaps keymaps so that you can roll your own. -- Sherwood Botsford # sherwood@space.ualberta.ca Physics Dept # 403 492 5728 mornings (Math Dept) University of Alberta # 3713 afternoons 0714 Fax Edmonton, AB, T6G 2J1 # Contract Unix system admin & troubleshooting From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 18 20:23:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07933; Wed, 18 Oct 95 20:23:25 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26271; Wed, 18 Oct 95 20:19:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26265; Wed, 18 Oct 95 20:19:45 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t5lUa-00038DC; Wed, 18 Oct 95 20:18 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gwestlu@cymbal.aix.calpoly.edu (George L. Westlund) Subject: Re: Pine's file browser Date: 9 Oct 1995 10:39:53 -0700 Message-Id: <45bmp9$nvp@cymbal.aix.calpoly.edu> References: <4563nj$d8f@panix2.panix.com> Status: O X-Status: awnbreel@panix.com (Michael Weholt) said... > I may be misunderstanding your question (sorry, if I am...) > I believe the "pine file browser" is, in effect, pico. Try this >and see if it is what you are looking for: > > 1. at shell prompt, type "pico" > 2. (check help line @ bottom of screen) ^R ("Read File") > 3. ^T ("To Files") > > This gets you to the browser. Yes, I quickly discovered that, but it still doesn't provide the functionality I need. I want to be able to use the browser directly from a script to be able to indicate files and pass them off to the script for processing. My goal is to be able to ask the user What file do you want to do whatever to? And if they don't know, they would have an option to go to the browser to select the file. -- George L. Westlund || Internet: gwestlu@calpoly.edu Instructional Applications || BITNET: DI001@CALPOLY.BITNET Cal Poly || NoiseNET: (805)756-6543 San Luis Obispo, CA 93407 || FAX: (805)756-1536 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 18 20:31:37 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08290; Wed, 18 Oct 95 20:31:37 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01109; Wed, 18 Oct 95 20:28:49 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from admin.aurora.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01103; Wed, 18 Oct 95 20:28:47 -0700 Received: by admin.aurora.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA15607; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 22:30:44 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 22:30:43 -0500 (CDT) From: Steve Lowe To: Pine Information List Subject: Proper Permissions - Global Address Book Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: What should be the correct permissions on the PINE global address book and associated files? Our setup is the following: rwxr--r-- root users globaladdressbook rw-rw---- root system globaladdressbook.lu Is this correct? -- Steve Lowe Aurora University slowe@admin.aurora.edu 708 844 5290 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 18 20:42:52 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08549; Wed, 18 Oct 95 20:42:52 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26627; Wed, 18 Oct 95 20:39:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26621; Wed, 18 Oct 95 20:39:48 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t5lnp-00038DC; Wed, 18 Oct 95 20:37 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: brendan@celebrian.otago.ac.nz (Brendan Murray) Subject: Re: Getting Mail headers without mail prog??? Date: 18 Oct 1995 22:49:15 GMT Message-Id: <46409b$djg@celebrian.otago.ac.nz> References: <45bj41$71u@nic-nac.CSU.net> Status: O X-Status: Paul O Bartlett (pobart@access.digex.net) wrote: > On 17 Oct 1995, Danny van der Rijn wrote: > | In article <45bj41$71u@nic-nac.CSU.net> dlegate@rsa.csuhayward.edu (Dan LeGate) writes: > | /usr/ucb/from > This is fine provided all of your incoming mail is in your INBOX > (i.e., still in the mail spool). However, I, like _many_ people, use a > utility such as procmail (or filter) to pre-sort mail into various > folders before I ever invoke my mail reader (Pine, in my case). I have > been wanting a utility (Perl OK) that would list the headers of mail not > only remaining in the INBOX but also in pre-sorted folders. If you use filter then I guess elm is there as well? If thats so then the elm facility 'frm' is available to you, and you can point it at alternative folders. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 18 20:51:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08789; Wed, 18 Oct 95 20:51:54 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01497; Wed, 18 Oct 95 20:49:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01491; Wed, 18 Oct 95 20:49:48 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t5ly8-00038DC; Wed, 18 Oct 95 20:48 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rogerb@x.co.uk (Roger Binns) Subject: Re: Getting Mail headers without mail prog??? Date: 9 Oct 1995 17:57:52 GMT Message-Id: <45bnr0$1kf@avon.x.co.uk> References: <45bj41$71u@nic-nac.CSU.net> Status: O X-Status: Dan LeGate (dlegate@rsa.csuhayward.edu) wrote: : correct me if I'm wrong. So my question is: does anyone know of any : SMALL utilities out there that will list just your mail headers (besides : mail and mailx)? Thanks for any help or information you can provide. frm from elm. Roger -- Roger Binns rogerb@sco.com | I treat my body like a temple. Software Engineer | That's why I leave the shoes on the SCO Client Integration Division | outside. Vision Park, Cambridge, UK | -- Dennis Leary From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 18 20:57:08 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08894; Wed, 18 Oct 95 20:57:08 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26855; Wed, 18 Oct 95 20:54:51 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26849; Wed, 18 Oct 95 20:54:50 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t5m28-00038EC; Wed, 18 Oct 95 20:52 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Matt Corddry Subject: Re: Why is IMAP not more popular? Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 10:53:01 -0700 Message-Id: References: <44upvm$24nd@cymbal.aix.calpoly.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: Speaking as an outsider, but user of PINE: While I am not debating the efficiency or practicality of the IMAP protocol, it cannot be denied that the POP protocol is much more widely supported in the industry today. In order to facilitate those using an IMAP mail system, and a computer with something other than PINE, is there a solution (converter?) to get email into the home computer? I heard mention of some kind of a "shim" here, is this possible? I'm at the UW (birthplace of PINE)... matt corddry UW sophomore From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 18 22:07:08 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11121; Wed, 18 Oct 95 22:07:08 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27893; Wed, 18 Oct 95 22:01:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shivams.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27887; Wed, 18 Oct 95 22:01:45 -0700 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10941; Wed, 18 Oct 95 22:01:43 -0700 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 22:01:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Matt Corddry Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Why is IMAP not more popular? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Organization: University of Washington; Office of Computing & Communications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Matt, There are several solutions coming down the pike, but probably none exactly meeting your needs today --unless the destination computer you're referring to is running Unix. -teg On Mon, 9 Oct 1995, Matt Corddry wrote: > Speaking as an outsider, but user of PINE: > While I am not debating the efficiency or practicality of the IMAP > protocol, it cannot be denied that the POP protocol is much more widely > supported in the industry today. In order to facilitate those using an > IMAP mail system, and a computer with something other than PINE, is there > a solution (converter?) to get email into the home computer? I heard > mention of some kind of a "shim" here, is this possible? I'm at the UW > (birthplace of PINE)... > > matt corddry > UW sophomore > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 18 23:58:03 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13966; Wed, 18 Oct 95 23:58:03 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04394; Wed, 18 Oct 95 23:55:13 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04388; Wed, 18 Oct 95 23:55:11 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t5or6-00038CC; Wed, 18 Oct 95 23:53 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Michael Polak" Subject: Running Pine on Wyse-50 Date: Mon, 09 Oct 95 16:07:49 -0400 Message-Id: <3022355050.0.p00780@psilink.com> Status: O X-Status: I am trying to run Pine on Wyse-50 terminals. The only problem I'm having is the arrow keys. I read the pine manual and realize that pine is not using the termcap information. Is there a way to reprogram the arrow keys on the terminal to what pine expects? I've looked in the Wyse-50 manual and coming up blank. Is anyone else using Wyse-50s? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 19 00:34:26 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14654; Thu, 19 Oct 95 00:34:26 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00435; Thu, 19 Oct 95 00:30:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00429; Thu, 19 Oct 95 00:30:19 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t5pOR-00038DC; Thu, 19 Oct 95 00:27 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: borton@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (borton scott andrew) Subject: Possible pine bug w/large screens Date: 11 Oct 1995 01:11:51 GMT Message-Id: <45f5kn$1u9@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Status: O X-Status: I'm running Pine 3.91 on SVR4, using NCSA Telnet on a Macintosh. When I set my terminal to a large size (stty rows 50 columns 120) the Pine composer starts acting funny. The screen will draw, then the screen will shift up one whole line. Thus, when I compose, it looks like I'm typing on the cc: line when I'm actually typing on the to: line. Needless to say, this is quite frustrating. Any suggestions? --scott From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 19 01:15:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15711; Thu, 19 Oct 95 01:15:25 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05540; Thu, 19 Oct 95 01:10:58 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05534; Thu, 19 Oct 95 01:10:55 -0700 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 09:09:47 +0100 Received: by tower.york.ac.uk (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/940406.SGI) id JAA28092; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 09:10:49 +0100 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 09:10:49 +0100 (BST) From: Mike Brudenell To: Steve Lowe Cc: Pine Information List Subject: Re: Proper Permissions - Global Address Book In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: People with read access to the addressbook file also benefit from having read access to the associated lookup (.lu) file, so set the ownership and/or protections accordingly. If you don't then every time someone starts Pine it builds a private copy of the lookup file in your tmp directory! Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Tel: +44-1904-433811 FAX: +44-1904-433740 http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/ On Wed, 18 Oct 1995, Steve Lowe wrote: > > What should be the correct permissions on the PINE global address book > and associated files? Our setup is the following: > > rwxr--r-- root users globaladdressbook > rw-rw---- root system globaladdressbook.lu > > Is this correct? > > -- Steve Lowe > Aurora University slowe@admin.aurora.edu > 708 844 5290 > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 19 01:25:40 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15847; Thu, 19 Oct 95 01:25:40 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05621; Thu, 19 Oct 95 01:18:25 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05609; Thu, 19 Oct 95 01:18:20 -0700 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 09:16:36 +0100 Received: by tower.york.ac.uk (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/940406.SGI) id JAA28663; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 09:17:25 +0100 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 09:17:25 +0100 (BST) From: Mike Brudenell To: Brendan Murray Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Getting Mail headers without mail prog??? In-Reply-To: <46409b$djg@celebrian.otago.ac.nz> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: As I mentioned once before, I have written a Perl script that provides similar functionality to Elm's "frm" script but (I hope) is rather more reliable at counting messages and has a slightly pretty display. It can be used on a particular folder if a path to the folder is given (eg, /var/mail/xyz1 or ./pine-info-list), otherwise it treats its argument as a username to check the mail folder for in the mail directory (useful for Super-Users!). You can find out more, and get the software, from http://www.york.ac.uk/ftparchive/unix/messages/ Cheers, Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Tel: +44-1904-433811 FAX: +44-1904-433740 http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/ On 18 Oct 1995, Brendan Murray wrote: > Paul O Bartlett (pobart@access.digex.net) wrote: > > On 17 Oct 1995, Danny van der Rijn wrote: > > > | In article <45bj41$71u@nic-nac.CSU.net> dlegate@rsa.csuhayward.edu (Dan LeGate) writes: > > | /usr/ucb/from > > > This is fine provided all of your incoming mail is in your INBOX > > (i.e., still in the mail spool). However, I, like _many_ people, use a > > utility such as procmail (or filter) to pre-sort mail into various > > folders before I ever invoke my mail reader (Pine, in my case). I have > > been wanting a utility (Perl OK) that would list the headers of mail not > > only remaining in the INBOX but also in pre-sorted folders. > > > If you use filter then I guess elm is there as well? If thats so then > the elm facility 'frm' is available to you, and you can point it at > alternative folders. > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 19 01:31:26 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16279; Thu, 19 Oct 95 01:31:26 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05704; Thu, 19 Oct 95 01:25:29 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05698; Thu, 19 Oct 95 01:25:28 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t5qHw-00038CC; Thu, 19 Oct 95 01:25 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: csdayton@midway.uchicago.edu (Soren Dayton) Subject: Re: Getting Mail headers without mail prog??? In-Reply-To: Paul O Bartlett's message of Wed, 18 Oct 1995 10:43:27 -0400 Message-Id: References: <45bj41$71u@nic-nac.CSU.net> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 04:08:08 GMT Status: O X-Status: Our friend, Paul O Bartlett , wrote: > On 17 Oct 1995, Danny van der Rijn wrote: > > | /usr/ucb/from > > This is fine provided all of your incoming mail is in your INBOX > (i.e., still in the mail spool). However, I, like _many_ people, use a > utility such as procmail (or filter) to pre-sort mail into various > folders before I ever invoke my mail reader (Pine, in my case). I have > been wanting a utility (Perl OK) that would list the headers of mail not > only remaining in the INBOX but also in pre-sorted folders. for file in $folders do scan -format formatstring -file $file done If you have mh. This would seem to solve the problem very well. If you use mh then something like this might be better folder -push for file in $folders do scan -format formatstring +$folder done folder -pop Of course this will take forever... Procmail users might dump headers to a file and then look at that. Soren From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 19 02:13:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17125; Thu, 19 Oct 95 02:13:23 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01800; Thu, 19 Oct 95 02:05:34 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01794; Thu, 19 Oct 95 02:05:33 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t5qql-00038CC; Thu, 19 Oct 95 02:01 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jim@draco.bison.mb.ca (Jim Jaworski) Subject: Re: adjusting time-to-look-for-new-mail Date: 18 Oct 1995 22:21:18 -0600 Message-Id: <464jnu$l8k@draco.bison.mb.ca> References: Status: O X-Status: Frederic Udina (udina@upf.es) wrote: : Is it possible to adjust the sampling time for new mail pine uses? : I will like it to react faster to mail arrival because I use 'newmail' : to announce me arrival of new mail, and pine does'nt react to the event : until several seconds later. : Alternatively, is there some pine command to force pine to look for new : mail? This could solve my problem too, because I know that there is new : mail. In elm, I type '$' and elm is forced to re-read the inbox file. Use ctrl-l. : Frederic Udina : _______________________________________________________________________ : | voice: 34 - 3 - 542 17 56 : Facultat de Ciencies Economiques | fax: 34 - 3 - 542 17 46 : Universitat Pompeu Fabra | e-mail: udina@upf.es : Balmes 132 | appleLink: spa0172 : 08008 Barcelona | Servicom: sva00484 : SPAIN | W W Web: http://libiya.upf.es/ : ___________________________________/_\_________________________________ -- Winnipeg MB Canada jim@draco.bison.mb.ca TEAM OS/2 MIME OK VE4JAF OS/2 -- 10 Million Licenses and Growing Daily! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 19 03:54:28 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19266; Thu, 19 Oct 95 03:54:28 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07743; Thu, 19 Oct 95 03:45:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07737; Thu, 19 Oct 95 03:45:48 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t5sRQ-00038DC; Thu, 19 Oct 95 03:43 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Ralf Wenzel Subject: Re: How do I change the Reply-line? Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 14:45:04 +0100 Message-Id: References: <45e7i6$m5b@krant.cs.ruu.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <45e7i6$m5b@krant.cs.ruu.nl> Status: O X-Status: On 10 Oct 1995, Koen Claessen wrote: > I'd also like to change the long news-grouplist. How can I do that? Hi! Start an editor (i. e. pico), read the file .newsrc and delete all lines (groups) you don't want to subscribe (don't forget the backup that file) and save the .newsrc after changing OR use the 'D'-Command (unsubscribe) in the pine-folder-list. Now you have a shorter Grouplist. hopoe ist helps, for more questions e-mail me. qRalf From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 19 04:10:21 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20179; Thu, 19 Oct 95 04:10:21 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03473; Thu, 19 Oct 95 04:00:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03467; Thu, 19 Oct 95 04:00:49 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t5shw-00038CC; Thu, 19 Oct 95 04:00 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: DAMIN ESTES Subject: Re: Getting Mail headers without mail prog??? Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 23:33:43 -0700 Message-Id: References: <45bj41$71u@nic-nac.CSU.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <45bj41$71u@nic-nac.CSU.net> Status: O X-Status: hey, can you view the gif files in vt100 mode on a PC. Also how do you download files with pine to a floppy? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 19 05:40:08 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22278; Thu, 19 Oct 95 05:40:08 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09359; Thu, 19 Oct 95 05:31:00 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09353; Thu, 19 Oct 95 05:30:59 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t5u3e-00038CC; Thu, 19 Oct 95 05:26 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: e9025064@student.tuwien.ac.at (Gerald Pfeifer) Subject: Re: May I ask when Pine 3.92 will be released? Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 17:45:08 GMT Message-Id: References: <448j18$aim@hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk> <44aer8$m9u@news.missouri.edu> Status: O X-Status: david@services.more.net (David Drum) writes: > I just have to say, "I am annoyed." Who cares when the next version comes > out? Me. > There are no horrific bugs in 3.91 [...] Except that I managed - to crash the Windows version a few times (e.g. when doing a few window resizes) - or had it stumble into an infinite loop and create a "sent" file as large as disk space allowed for a message just a few lines long. Well, and then it's a bit strange using a version calling itself "beta" for some 12 (twelve) months now... Ciao, Gerald ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- . Gerald Pfeifer (Jerry) Vienna University of Technology . . e9025064@student.tuwien.ac.at http://fbma.tuwien.ac.at/~e9025064/ . From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 19 07:11:57 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24636; Thu, 19 Oct 95 07:11:57 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10702; Thu, 19 Oct 95 07:00:31 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from dekalb.vf.mmc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10696; Thu, 19 Oct 95 07:00:26 -0700 Received: from franklin.vf.mmc.com (franklin.VF.GE.COM [166.17.5.51]) by dekalb.vf.mmc.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA14985; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 09:59:21 -0400 Received: from mmpcs1.psf.ge.com (mmpcs1.PSF.GE.COM [166.16.124.4]) by franklin.vf.mmc.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id JAA03693; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 09:59:19 -0400 Received: by mmpcs1.psf.ge.com (4.1/MMC Sun server N-3.4) id AA03272; Thu, 19 Oct 95 09:40:23 EDT Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 09:40:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Sugarman To: Alan J Flavell Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Locating VAX Pine In-Reply-To: <1743BC4A6S86.FLAVELL@cernvm.cern.ch> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 18 Oct 1995, Alan J Flavell wrote: > In article > sugarman@mmpcs1.psf.ge.com (Don Sugarman) writes: > > >Would someone send me the ftp or http site address for VAX Pine. (I've > >lost my notes. :( ) > > If you're talking about Yehavi's port of PINE to VAX/VMS, then > it's available by FTP from vms.huji.ac.il, directory LOCAL > > you'll need userid "ANONYMOUS" (not "FTP"). > > If you're talking about vax/ultrix I can't help you. If you're > talking about PMDF VMS PINE, it's a commercial product. > > Thanks, Alan, and to all who responded privately. I've got it now. Don Don Sugarman sugarman@mmpcs1.psf.ge.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 19 08:17:14 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26337; Thu, 19 Oct 95 08:17:14 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07555; Thu, 19 Oct 95 08:09:10 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from edison.ugr.es by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07525; Thu, 19 Oct 95 08:08:44 -0700 Received: (from x4645078@localhost) by edison.ugr.es (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA03909; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 16:10:26 +0100 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 16:10:24 +0100 (MET) From: Juan Francisco Borras Correa To: news Pine Subject: Hello all Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hello all, I'm new... I would like to know how can I make that this news group go to its folder, i mean, I would like that these messages go to a folder called 'pine-news'. Is that possible? Thanks a lot. Curro From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 19 08:40:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27271; Thu, 19 Oct 95 08:40:23 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12384; Thu, 19 Oct 95 08:31:23 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12378; Thu, 19 Oct 95 08:31:22 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t5wu2-00038DC; Thu, 19 Oct 95 08:29 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Sven Guckes Subject: Re: Getting Mail headers without mail prog??? Date: 19 Oct 95 13:07:31 GMT Message-Id: References: <45bj41$71u@nic-nac.CSU.net> Status: O X-Status: DAMIN ESTES writes: >hey, can you view the gif files in vt100 mode on a PC. >Also how do you download files with pine to a floppy? TROLL ALERT! Sven Followup-To: alt.fan.trolling From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 19 09:06:05 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29064; Thu, 19 Oct 95 09:06:05 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08721; Thu, 19 Oct 95 09:01:26 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08713; Thu, 19 Oct 95 09:01:24 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t5xL4-00038CC; Thu, 19 Oct 95 08:57 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: marcelo@carpa.ciagri.usp.br (Marcelo Zacarias) Subject: Re: "Full Headers ON" by default Date: 9 Oct 1995 19:29:59 GMT Message-Id: <45bt7n$1hg@bee.uspnet.usp.br> References: <4575cu$9c5@bee.uspnet.usp.br> Status: O X-Status: Stephen Weihman (g053200@csisjw) wrote: : You should be able to turn that option on in the system wide : configuration file (normally /usr/loca/lib/pine.conf). There is no such option :( (assuming the available set are that in Setup/Config). []s, -Marcelo. Marcelo Zacarias - USP/CIAGRI | Cx. Postal 9, CEP 13418-900, Piracicaba/SP System & Network Admin. | Fone: 0194-294373 / Bip: 0800-123124 (1022) Divisao de Redes & Hardware | ///////////////// Running LINUX and Plan 9 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 19 09:11:47 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29333; Thu, 19 Oct 95 09:11:47 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12965; Thu, 19 Oct 95 08:57:54 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shivams.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12959; Thu, 19 Oct 95 08:57:53 -0700 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28080; Thu, 19 Oct 95 08:57:21 -0700 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 08:57:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Gerald Pfeifer Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: May I ask when Pine 3.92 will be released? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Organization: University of Washington; Office of Computing & Communications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 11 Oct 1995, Gerald Pfeifer wrote: > Well, and then it's a bit strange using a version calling itself "beta" for > some 12 (twelve) months now... Yeah, and it's going to be even stranger when we call the new version a "beta" since it has 12 months of changes in it... :) -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 19 09:47:22 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00768; Thu, 19 Oct 95 09:47:22 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09857; Thu, 19 Oct 95 09:36:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from syntax.syntax.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09851; Thu, 19 Oct 95 09:36:04 -0700 Received: from howardpc.syntax.com by syntax.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13374; Thu, 19 Oct 95 09:32:18 PDT Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 09:32:21 -0900 (pdt) From: Howard Jess To: Brendan Murray Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Getting Mail headers without mail prog??? X-Sender: howard@syntax.syntax.com In-Reply-To: <46409b$djg@celebrian.otago.ac.nz> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On 18 Oct 1995, Brendan Murray wrote: > Paul O Bartlett (pobart@access.digex.net) wrote: > > On 17 Oct 1995, Danny van der Rijn wrote: > > > | In article <45bj41$71u@nic-nac.CSU.net> dlegate@rsa.csuhayward.edu (Dan LeGate) writes: > > | /usr/ucb/from > > > This is fine provided all of your incoming mail is in your INBOX > > (i.e., still in the mail spool). However, I, like _many_ people, use a > > utility such as procmail (or filter) to pre-sort mail into various > > folders before I ever invoke my mail reader (Pine, in my case). I have > > been wanting a utility (Perl OK) that would list the headers of mail not > > only remaining in the INBOX but also in pre-sorted folders. > > > If you use filter then I guess elm is there as well? If thats so then > the elm facility 'frm' is available to you, and you can point it at > alternative folders. Or, if you -do- use use procmail, then the mailstat script that accompanies it may be useful: #! /bin/sh : &&O='cd .' || exec /bin/sh "$0" $argv:q # we're in a csh, feed myself to sh $O || exec /bin/sh "$0" "$@" # we're in a buggy zsh ################################################################# # mailstat shows mail-arrival statistics # # # # Parses a procmail-generated $LOGFILE and displays # # a summary about the messages delivered to all folders # # (total size, average size, nr of messages). # # Exit code 0 if mail arrived, 1 if no mail arrived. # # # # For help try, "mailstat -h" # # # # Customise to your heart's content, this file is only # # provided as a guideline. # # # # Created by S.R. van den Berg, The Netherlands # # This file can be freely copied for any use. # ################################################################# #$Id: mailstat,v 1.20 1994/05/26 14:11:54 berg Exp $ # This shell script expects the following programs to be in the # PATH (paths given here are the standard locations, your mileage # may vary (if the programs can not be found, extend the PATH or # put their absolute pathnames in here): test=test # /bin/test echo=echo # /bin/echo expr=expr # /bin/expr tty=tty # /bin/tty sed=sed # /bin/sed sort=sort # /bin/sort awk=awk # /usr/bin/awk cat=cat # /bin/cat mv=mv # /bin/mv ls=ls # /bin/ls PATH=/bin:/usr/bin SHELL=/bin/sh # just in case export SHELL PATH umask 077 # we don't allow everyone to read the tmpfiles OLDSUFFIX=.old DEVNULL=/dev/null EX_USAGE=64 ######## # (Concatenated) flags parsing in pure, portable, structured (it # would have been more elegant if gotos were permitted) shellscript # language. For added pleasure: a quick demonstration of the shell's # quoting capabilities :-). ######## while $test $# != 0 -a a"$1" != a-- -a \ \( 0 != `$expr "X$1" : X-.` -o $# != 1 \) do if $expr "X$1" : X-. >$DEVNULL # structured-programming spaghetti then flags="$1"; shift else flags=-h # force help page fi while flags=`$expr "X$flags" : 'X.\(.*\)'`; $test ."$flags" != . do case "$flags" in k*) MSkeeplogfile=1;; l*) MSlong=1;; a*) MSlong=1;; m*) MSmergerror=1;; o*) MSoldlog=1; MSkeeplogfile=1;; t*) MSterse=1;; s*) MSsilent=1;; h*|\?*) $echo 'Usage: mailstat [-aklmots] [logfile]' 1>&2 $echo ' -k keep logfile intact' 1>&2 $echo ' -l|-a long display format' 1>&2 $echo ' -m merge any errors into one line' 1>&2 $echo ' -o use the old logfile' 1>&2 $echo ' -t terse display format' 1>&2 $echo ' -s silent in case of no mail' 1>&2 exit $EX_USAGE;; *) $echo 'Usage: mailstat [-klmots] [logfile]' 1>&2; exit $EX_USAGE;; esac done done $test a"$1" = a-- && shift if [ "$1" ] ; then LOGFILE="$1" else if test .$MAILRC = . then MAILDIR = $HOME else MAILDIR=`dirname $MAILRC` fi LOGFILE=$MAILDIR/from fi case "$LOGFILE" in *$OLDSUFFIX) MSkeeplogfile=1; OLDLOGFILE="$LOGFILE";; *) OLDLOGFILE="$LOGFILE$OLDSUFFIX";; esac if test .$MSoldlog = .1 then LOGFILE="$OLDLOGFILE" fi if $test ."$LOGFILE" != .- -a ."$LOGFILE" != . then if $test ! -s "$LOGFILE" then if $test .$MSsilent = . then if $test -f "$LOGFILE" # split up the following nested backquote then # expression, some shells (NET2) choked on it info=`LANG= LC_TIME= $ls -l "$OLDLOGFILE"` $echo No mail arrived since \ `$expr "X$info" : \ '.*[0-9] \(... .[^ ] .....\) [^ ]'` else $echo "Can't find your LOGFILE=$LOGFILE" fi fi exit 1 fi else if $test ."$LOGFILE" != .- && $tty -s then $echo \ "Most people don't type their own logfiles; but, what do I care?" 1>&2 MSterse=1 fi MSkeeplogfile=1; LOGFILE= fi if $test .$MSkeeplogfile = . then $mv "$LOGFILE" "$OLDLOGFILE"; $cat $DEVNULL >>"$LOGFILE" else OLDLOGFILE="$LOGFILE" fi if $test .$MSterse = . then if $test .$MSlong = .1 then $echo "" $echo " Total Average Number Folder" $echo " ----- ------- ------ ------" else $echo "" $echo " Total Number Folder" $echo " ----- ------ ------" fi fi if $test .$MSlong = .1 then MSlong='"%7d %7d %7d %s\n",total,total/messages,messages,folder' else MSlong='"%7d %7d %s\n",total,messages,folder' fi TMPF=/tmp/maillog.$$ trap "rm -f $TMPF; exit 2" 1 2 3 15 trap "rm -f $TMPF; exit 0" 0 ######## # And now we descend into the wonderful mix of shell-quoting and # portable awk-programming :-) ######## rm -f $TMPF $cat >$TMPF < Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01487; Thu, 19 Oct 95 10:03:35 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10218; Thu, 19 Oct 95 09:52:24 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from Farstar.secapl.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10212; Thu, 19 Oct 95 09:52:23 -0700 Received: from Cookie.secapl.com (Cookie.secapl.com [192.108.247.19]) by Farstar.secapl.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA120658; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 11:48:36 -0500 Received: by Cookie.secapl.com id AA86058 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 11:52:40 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 11:52:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Carla Golden To: Andrew Sweger Cc: Mathias Koerber , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: rot13 in pine? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: What is a ROT13? On Tue, 17 Oct 1995, Andrew Sweger wrote: > No. But, > > | tr 'a-zA-Z' 'n-za-mN-ZA-M' > > or > > | rot13 > > if you've got it. This requires that the pipe option is enabled. > > -- > / Andrew B. Sweger absweger@u.washington.edu > // Computer Support Manager csg@fammed.washington.edu > \\ Department of Family Medicine > // University of Washington (206) 685-4337 > / Box 355304 (206) 685-0610 (Fax) > ---- Seattle, WA 98195-5304 -------------------------------------------------- > The great thing about multitasking is that several things can go wrong at once. > > > On 17 Oct 1995, Mathias Koerber wrote: > > > Is there builtin rot13 function in pine? > > > > -- > > Mathias Koerber mathias@singnet.com.sg > > SingNet NOC Mathias_Koerber@POBOX.ORG.SG > > Singapore Telecoms > > * Eifersucht ist eine Leidenschaft, die mit Eifer sucht was Leiden schafft * > > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 19 10:10:35 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01924; Thu, 19 Oct 95 10:10:35 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14830; Thu, 19 Oct 95 10:03:38 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from saul5.u.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14824; Thu, 19 Oct 95 10:03:36 -0700 Received: by saul5.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03431; Thu, 19 Oct 95 10:02:12 -0700 X-Sender: absweger@saul5.u.washington.edu Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 10:02:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrew Sweger To: Carla Golden Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: rot13 in pine? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Well, since I'm getting a few requests like this, I'll respond to the list as well. It's where you simply translate each character of the alphabet by thirteen positions (rotate by 13). Since there are 26 characters in this particular alphabet, rotating by thirteen characters is half of the alphabet. This gives the appearance of an encoded message (scrambled). It's commonly used as a matter of courtesy on some news groups on bits of text that the author feels may offend some readers. Those readers (recipients) who care to risk viewing something potentially offending may ``rot13'' the text. The letter 'a' becomes 'n', 'b' becomes 'o', and so on. A highly offensive statement to some: Gur terng guvat nobhg zhygvgnfxvat vf gung frireny guvatf pna tb jebat ng bapr. On Thu, 19 Oct 1995, Carla Golden wrote: > What is a ROT13? > > > On Tue, 17 Oct 1995, Andrew Sweger wrote: > > > No. But, > > > > | tr 'a-zA-Z' 'n-za-mN-ZA-M' > > > > or > > > > | rot13 > > > > if you've got it. This requires that the pipe option is enabled. -- / Andrew B. Sweger absweger@u.washington.edu // Computer Support Manager csg@fammed.washington.edu \\ Department of Family Medicine // University of Washington (206) 685-4337 / Box 355304 (206) 685-0610 (Fax) ---- Seattle, WA 98195-5304 -------------------------------------------------- The great thing about multitasking is that several things can go wrong at once. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 19 13:12:40 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11071; Thu, 19 Oct 95 13:12:40 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19711; Thu, 19 Oct 95 13:06:54 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19705; Thu, 19 Oct 95 13:06:53 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t61Dv-00038CC; Thu, 19 Oct 95 13:05 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Re: Getting Mail headers without mail prog??? Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 10:43:27 -0400 Message-Id: References: <45bj41$71u@nic-nac.CSU.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: On 17 Oct 1995, Danny van der Rijn wrote: | In article <45bj41$71u@nic-nac.CSU.net> dlegate@rsa.csuhayward.edu (Dan LeGate) writes: | | >So my question is: does anyone know of any | >SMALL utilities out there that will list just your mail headers (besides | >mail and mailx)? Thanks for any help or information you can provide. | | /usr/ucb/from This is fine provided all of your incoming mail is in your INBOX (i.e., still in the mail spool). However, I, like _many_ people, use a utility such as procmail (or filter) to pre-sort mail into various folders before I ever invoke my mail reader (Pine, in my case). I have been wanting a utility (Perl OK) that would list the headers of mail not only remaining in the INBOX but also in pre-sorted folders. Paul -------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett P. O. Box 857 Vienna, VA 22183-0857 U.S.A. Finger, keyserver, or email for PGP 2.6 public key -------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 19 13:52:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12724; Thu, 19 Oct 95 13:52:31 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16251; Thu, 19 Oct 95 13:47:00 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16243; Thu, 19 Oct 95 13:46:58 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t61oU-00038CC; Thu, 19 Oct 95 13:43 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: awnbreel@panix.com (Michael Weholt) Subject: Re: Really want to Post? Date: 19 Oct 1995 08:32:23 -0400 Message-Id: <465ggn$51n@panix2.panix.com> References: Status: O X-Status: ]---> In , ]---> Jibby (jibby@unm.edu) wrote: > Every time I post a message, Pine asks me: Message will be read by > 1000's of readers, do you realy want to post? YES, thats why I posted! > Is there anyway to get rid of this question? Just a small trivial thing > about Pine, but after awhile.....it bugs! Can you help? I use tin for posting, but it has the same feature. Actually, I choose to take the question seriously ("do you *really* want to post?") every time I see it. I don't think it hurts to give one last consideration. There have been times, in fact, when after considering for a moment, I actually said "no, you're right, I *don't* want to post this." In this life, and *certainly* on usenet, it's far too easy to make an ass of oneself. I'm grateful for this feature. I often wish others would take a moment to give the question serious consideration rather than just skipping past it. Who knows, there may come a day when it saves *your* neck, or at least your good name. If you know about dejanews, you know that whatever you post certainly does *not* forever go away after a few days. Dejanews is a sobering site to visit. I recommend it to all who find the "do you *really* want to post" question an irritation. :::: Calm Sea & a Prosperous Voyage ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Michael Weholt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> awnbreel@panix.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 19 14:09:01 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13570; Thu, 19 Oct 95 14:09:01 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16721; Thu, 19 Oct 95 14:04:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shivams.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16711; Thu, 19 Oct 95 14:04:15 -0700 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13283; Thu, 19 Oct 95 14:04:00 -0700 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 14:03:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Jeffrey Goldberg Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Marking subjects as read when reading news In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Organization: University of Washington; Office of Computing & Communications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: One thing you might try is SortIndex by Ordered Subject: $O Then at least the messages in the pseudo-thread will be grouped together, so you can just hold down the "D" key for awhile :) -teg On Fri, 22 Sep 1995, Jeffrey Goldberg wrote: > Pine would be my all time favorite news reader if... > > I could easily mark the current subject as read. Yes, I know that > I can > > i // index > ; // select > t // text > s // subject > ^X // current subject > a // apply > d // delete > > obviously that is too many keystrokes, but the real problem with that > is that when pine does a text/subject search on news, it appears to > grab each and every message off of the news server!. Any suggestions > or fixes in the future would be very welcome. > > Jeffrey Goldberg > Email: J.Goldberg@Cranfield.ac.uk > WWW: > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 19 16:16:44 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18378; Thu, 19 Oct 95 16:16:44 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24215; Thu, 19 Oct 95 16:11:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from pobox.oit.umass.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24209; Thu, 19 Oct 95 16:11:15 -0700 Received: from titan.oit.umass.edu (titan.oit.umass.edu) by pobox.oit.umass.edu (PMDF V5.0-4 #6523) id <01HWMVR7IPDC0030HO@pobox.oit.umass.edu>; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 19:11:12 -0400 Received: (from claude@localhost) by titan.oit.umass.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA18870; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 19:11:11 -0400 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 19:11:11 -0400 (EDT) From: CLAUDE M PENCHINA Subject: Bug (ID E11RK): (fwd) To: Info Pine Cc: Claude Penchina Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-1268446782-814144271=:12666" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O X-Status: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --0-1268446782-814144271=:12666 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII pine-faq suggested I forward my comments and questions to this address. Please let me know if you have any suggestions for working around my problems. Thanks. Original message follows. --0-1268446782-814144271=:12666 Content-Type: MESSAGE/RFC822 Content-ID: Content-Description: Bug (ID E11RK): (fwd) Received: from pobox.oit.umass.edu (pobox.oit.umass.edu [128.119.166.150]) by conrad.oit.umass.edu (8.6.12/8.6.10) with ESMTP id SAA13719 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 18:53:53 -0400 Received: from DIRECTORY-DAEMON by pobox.oit.umass.edu (PMDF V5.0-4 #6523) id <01HWMV5NFQWG002Q3A@pobox.oit.umass.edu> for claude@oitunix.oit.umass.edu; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 18:53:50 -0400 Received: from titan.oit.umass.edu (titan.oit.umass.edu) by pobox.oit.umass.edu (PMDF V5.0-4 #6523) id <01HWMV5LJFEO002MQK@pobox.oit.umass.edu>; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 18:53:47 -0400 Received: (from claude@localhost) by titan.oit.umass.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA17164; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 18:53:45 -0400 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 18:53:44 -0400 (EDT) From: CLAUDE M PENCHINA Subject: Bug (ID E11RK): To: Pine Developers Cc: Claude Penchina Message-id: Content-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-1984512092-814142667=:12666" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --0-1984512092-814142667=:12666 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: Recently switched from Elm to Pine because Elm saves a copy of a message before deleting it. This causes problem when disk allocation is nearly used up. I changed for that reason only, but generaly I like pine better. I find it somewhat easier to navigate etc. Following features of Pine are somewhat annoying. Would be nice if you could improve them in future versions of pine. I'm using pine 3.91 on a unix system at OIT at UMass. "function keys" listed at the bottom of page are not always consistent for different windows of pine. e.g. ^T does different things in different places. This is even more difficult because the editor also has still different uses of these keys. We can sort folder listing on-line, but address list can be displayed in a different sorting only in some control file commands before opening pine. Address list can not import data from another ascii file, e.g. the aliases from ELM. Address list can not be edited with a simple ascii text editor or word processor. Please let me know if there is a newer better version available. do I have to get the main-frame system administrator to get it for me or can I use my own local version? Thanks. Claude Penchina --0-1984512092-814142667=:12666 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; NAME="config.txt" Content-ID: Content-Description: Pine Configuration Data ========== struct pine * ========== ui: login = claude, full = CLAUDE M PENCHINA home = /usr/users/user4/claude home_dir= /usr/users/user4/claude hostname= titan.oit.umass.edu localdom= oit.umass.edu userdom= NULL maildom= titan.oit.umass.edu cur_cntxt= Mail/[] cur_fldr= address actual mbox= /usr/users/user4/claude/Mail/address msgmap: tot=3, cur=3, del=0, hid=0, exld=0, slct=0, sort=Arrival actual inbox= inbox inbox map: tot=0, cur=0, del=0, hid=0, exld=0, slct=0, sort=Arrival term type=vt100, ttyname=/dev/ttyp1, size=24x80, speed=normal ======= Current_val options set ======= personal-name : CLAUDE M PENCHINA user-id : claude inbox-path : inbox folder-collections : Mail/[] default-fcc : "" postponed-folder : postponed-msgs mail-directory : Mail read-message-folder : received signature-file : .signature address-book : .addressbook feature-list : auto-move-read-msgs : enable-full-header-cmd : enable-bounce-cmd : signature-at-bottom : enable-aggregate-command-set : enable-jump-shortcut : enable-tab-completion : enable-unix-pipe-cmd : use-current-dir : disable-keyboard-lock-cmd default-composer-hdr : To : Cc : Subject saved-msg-name-rule : default-folder fcc-name-rule : default-fcc sort-key : arrival addrbook-sort-rule : fullname-with-lists-last use-only-domain-name : no printer : attached-to-ansi standard-printer : lpr last-time-prune-ques : 95.10 last-version-used : 3.91 bugs-fullname : Pine Developers bugs-address : pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu elm-style-save : no header-in-reply : no feature-level : sapling old-style-reply : no save-by-sender : no ======= Command_line_val options set ======= ======= User_val options set (/usr/users/user4/claude/.pinerc) ======= last-time-prune-ques : 95.10 last-version-used : 3.91 ======= Global_val options set (/usr/local/lib/pine.conf) ======= inbox-path : inbox folder-collections : Mail/[] default-fcc : "" postponed-folder : postponed-msgs mail-directory : Mail read-message-folder : received signature-file : .signature address-book : .addressbook feature-list : auto-move-read-msgs : enable-full-header-cmd : enable-bounce-cmd : signature-at-bottom : enable-aggregate-command-set : enable-jump-shortcut : enable-tab-completion : enable-unix-pipe-cmd : use-current-dir default-composer-hdr : To : Cc : Subject saved-msg-name-rule : default-folder fcc-name-rule : default-fcc sort-key : arrival addrbook-sort-rule : fullname-with-lists-last use-only-domain-name : no printer : attached-to-ansi standard-printer : lpr bugs-fullname : Pine Developers bugs-address : pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu elm-style-save : no header-in-reply : no feature-level : sapling old-style-reply : no save-by-sender : no ======= Fixed_val options set (/usr/local/lib/pine.conf.fixed) ======= feature-list : disable-keyboard-lock-cmd ========== Feature settings ========== no-assume-slow-link auto-move-read-msgs no-auto-open-next-unread no-compose-rejects-unqualified-addrs no-compose-sets-newsgroup-without-confirm no-delete-skips-deleted no-disable-config-cmd disable-keyboard-lock-cmd no-disable-password-cmd no-disable-update-cmd enable-aggregate-command-set no-enable-alternate-editor-cmd no-enable-alternate-editor-implicitly enable-bounce-cmd no-enable-flag-cmd enable-full-header-cmd no-enable-incoming-folders enable-jump-shortcut no-enable-mail-check-cue no-enable-suspend enable-tab-completion enable-unix-pipe-cmd no-expanded-view-of-addressbooks no-expanded-view-of-folders no-expunge-without-confirm no-include-attachments-in-reply no-include-header-in-reply no-include-text-in-reply no-news-approximates-new-status no-news-post-without-validation no-news-read-in-newsrc-order no-preserve-start-stop-characters no-quell-user-lookup-in-passwd-file no-quit-without-confirm no-save-will-quote-leading-froms no-save-will-not-delete no-save-will-advance no-select-without-confirm no-show-selected-in-boldface signature-at-bottom use-current-dir no-use-function-keys --0-1984512092-814142667=:12666-- --0-1268446782-814144271=:12666-- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 19 17:21:36 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21436; Thu, 19 Oct 95 17:21:36 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25982; Thu, 19 Oct 95 17:17:26 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25976; Thu, 19 Oct 95 17:17:25 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t657k-00038CC; Thu, 19 Oct 95 17:15 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: nkjb@mainelink.net () Subject: Lists & "Reply to All?" Date: 19 Oct 1995 23:10:58 GMT Message-Id: <466lu3$3a4@news.mainelink.net> Status: O X-Status: Dear Pine Experts, Could you tell me whether I should "Reply to all Recipients" when I am simply replying to a message that has come to me via a mailing list? My hunch is that should not. Thanks for you help, Nannette Kenison -- A Pine novice From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 19 20:19:34 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26049; Thu, 19 Oct 95 20:19:34 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29062; Thu, 19 Oct 95 20:17:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29056; Thu, 19 Oct 95 20:17:48 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t67uN-00038EC; Thu, 19 Oct 95 20:14 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: phaedrus@snark.wizard.com (Phaedrus) Subject: Folder Help Date: 19 Oct 1995 15:36:12 GMT Message-Id: <465r9c$3lg@jubjub.wizard.com> Status: O X-Status: When I go into Pine and default into the Main Menu there is no item that is selected or high lighted. The same when I go into the folder area. This makes it rather difficult to manuver around. On my friends server same version of Pine 3.90 he is able to see an item high lighted and goes from there. I tried looking at Setup and Configure but with no luck. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 19 20:46:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26494; Thu, 19 Oct 95 20:46:31 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29401; Thu, 19 Oct 95 20:42:54 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29395; Thu, 19 Oct 95 20:42:52 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t68JU-00038EC; Thu, 19 Oct 95 20:40 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Jibby Subject: Really want to Post? Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 00:41:23 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Every time I post a message, Pine asks me: Message will be read by 1000's of readers, do you realy want to post? YES, thats why I posted! Is there anyway to get rid of this question? Just a small trivial thing about Pine, but after awhile.....it bugs! Can you help? _______________________________________________________jibby@mail.unm.edu_______ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 19 22:17:30 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28005; Thu, 19 Oct 95 22:17:30 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26341; Thu, 19 Oct 95 22:13:06 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26335; Thu, 19 Oct 95 22:13:04 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t69jD-00038KC; Thu, 19 Oct 95 22:10 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gaojeng@durras.anu.edu.au (Jie Gao) Subject: How to get to the bottom of the mesg list? Date: 20 Oct 95 04:20:07 GMT Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: I am just wondering whether there is a command in PINE that has the function of getting directly to the bottom of the mesg list like "*" does in ELM? Thanks. Jie PS, Please email. -- Gao, Jie From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 19 22:44:58 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28448; Thu, 19 Oct 95 22:44:58 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01279; Thu, 19 Oct 95 22:43:10 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01273; Thu, 19 Oct 95 22:43:08 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t6ADb-00038KC; Thu, 19 Oct 95 22:42 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sherwood@mailhost.space.ualberta.ca (System Administrator) Subject: Re: pcpine Date: 18 Oct 1995 19:12:10 GMT Message-Id: <463jia$nee@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> References: Status: O X-Status: Guy Schlosser (guy@glass.toledolink.com) wrote: : Hi, I'm trying to use PC-pine over a PPP connection. I'm using the DOS : based version and am running into a few problems. First of all, the : network I'm trying to run it on does not have an Imap server installed. : If I want to send one to the system administrator to be installed, which : one would I use for BSDI unix? I looked through the archive at : ftp.cac.washington.edu in directory /pine/unix-bin-compressed, and I : didn't see an Imap program for bsdi. Also, is there any way possible to : run pine over a pop3 server? If so, I'd appreciate knowing how. Lastly, : is Imap pretty easy to install? If anyone can answer these questions for : me, I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks a bunch. 1. Your sysadmin will need to get the source and recompile. Not a big deal for most machines. Source is freely available. 2. Pine doesn't do POP. Good explaination on the www server about the differences between IMAP and POP. I agree with the developers choice. 3. Installing it is not rocket science. -- Sherwood Botsford # sherwood@space.ualberta.ca Physics Dept # 403 492 5728 mornings (Math Dept) University of Alberta # 3713 afternoons 0714 Fax Edmonton, AB, T6G 2J1 # Contract Unix system admin & troubleshooting From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 19 23:04:32 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28786; Thu, 19 Oct 95 23:04:32 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26960; Thu, 19 Oct 95 23:00:43 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from cthia.sojourn.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26954; Thu, 19 Oct 95 23:00:41 -0700 From: sharono@ukefl.demon.co.uk Received: from calzone.oit.unc.edu by cthia.sojourn.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #7) id m0t6AVv-000CNOC; Fri, 20 Oct 95 02:01 EDT Date: Fri, 20 Oct 95 02:01 EDT Received: by calzone.oit.unc.edu (ESMTP) id ; Thu, 19 Oct 95 Message-Id: Received: by sunsite.unc.edu (ESMTP) id ; Thu, 19 Oct 95 Smtp-Posting-Host: admin.unc.edu To: Subject: subscribe Organization: Network Exchange Trading System Status: O X-Status: subscribe pine-info@cac.washington.edu sharono@ukefl.demon.co.uk From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 20 00:49:29 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00922; Fri, 20 Oct 95 00:49:29 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03344; Fri, 20 Oct 95 00:45:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03338; Fri, 20 Oct 95 00:45:44 -0700 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 20 Oct 1995 08:44:25 +0100 Received: by tower.york.ac.uk (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/940406.SGI) id IAA01664; Fri, 20 Oct 1995 08:45:17 +0100 Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 08:45:17 +0100 (BST) From: Mike Brudenell To: Jie Gao Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: How to get to the bottom of the mesg list? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Yes, and it is the same command as is used to get to the bottom of a message when you are composing it: ^W ^V And to get to the top is: ^W ^Y Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Tel: +44-1904-433811 FAX: +44-1904-433740 http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/ On 20 Oct 1995, Jie Gao wrote: > I am just wondering whether there is a command in PINE that has the function > of getting directly to the bottom of the mesg list like "*" does in ELM? > > Thanks. > > Jie > PS, Please email. > -- > Gao, Jie > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 20 02:32:36 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03060; Fri, 20 Oct 95 02:32:36 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00245; Fri, 20 Oct 95 02:26:15 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from edison.ugr.es by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00239; Fri, 20 Oct 95 02:26:12 -0700 Received: (from x4645078@localhost) by edison.ugr.es (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA07849; Fri, 20 Oct 1995 10:28:13 +0100 Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 10:28:12 +0100 (MET) From: Juan Francisco Borras Correa To: news Pine Subject: NNTP Servers Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hello all! Could anybody give me and NNTP server address? Thanks a lot, Curro From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 20 02:43:17 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03195; Fri, 20 Oct 95 02:43:17 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00390; Fri, 20 Oct 95 02:37:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from edison.ugr.es by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00384; Fri, 20 Oct 95 02:37:04 -0700 Received: (from x4645078@localhost) by edison.ugr.es (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA07900; Fri, 20 Oct 1995 10:39:05 +0100 Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 10:39:04 +0100 (MET) From: Juan Francisco Borras Correa To: news Pine Subject: Return to folder when a message is read Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hello all! I know this is a stupid question, but I'm a pine novice: How can I come back to folder index when I read a message?? Thanks a lot From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 20 03:49:11 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04713; Fri, 20 Oct 95 03:49:11 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01321; Fri, 20 Oct 95 03:43:23 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from visla.utia.cas.cz by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01315; Fri, 20 Oct 95 03:43:02 -0700 Received: by visla.utia.cas.cz (16.7/16.2) id AA19850; Fri, 20 Oct 95 11:39:53 +0100 Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 11:39:52 +0100 (MET) From: Vladimir Solnicky =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Vladim=EDr_Solnick=FD?= To: Juan Francisco Borras Correa Cc: news Pine Subject: Re: Return to folder when a message is read In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Postal-Address: UTIA AV CR; Pod vodarenskou vezi 4; 182 08 Praha 8-Liben; Czech Republic Acknowledge-To: vs@utia.cas.cz Organization: Institute of Information Theory and Automation (UTIA AV CR) Organizace: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=DAstav_teorie_informace_a_automatizace_(=DATIA)_AV_=C8R?= Transport-Options: /delivery /return Read-Receipt-To: vs@utia.cas.cz X-Chameleon-Receipt-To: vs@utia.cas.cz X-Chameleon-Return-To: vs@utia.cas.cz X-Chameleon-Read-To: vs@utia.cas.cz X-Confirm-Reading-To: vs@utia.cas.cz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 20 Oct 1995, Juan Francisco Borras Correa wrote: > =09How can I come back to folder index when I read a message?? Press the key `I' (stands for index). | | Bc. Vladimir Solnicky (Vladim=EDr Solnick=FD using ISO 8859-1 or 2) | | Institute of Information UTIA AV CR \/ Theory and Automation Pod vodarenskou vezi 4 Department of Computing Systems 182 08 Praha 8-Liben +42 2 6605/2212 fax: +42 2 66414677 Czech Republic +42 2 6605/2364 e-mail: vs@utia.cas.cz ftp.utia.cas.cz http://www.utia.cas.cz/user_data/vs/vs-home-{en|cz|ce}.html From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 20 06:04:26 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07786; Fri, 20 Oct 95 06:04:26 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03203; Fri, 20 Oct 95 05:53:29 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from cpcug.org by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03197; Fri, 20 Oct 95 05:53:27 -0700 Received: (from lgad@localhost) by cpcug.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA13167; Fri, 20 Oct 1995 08:53:22 -0400 Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 08:53:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Lavinia Gadsden To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Cc: lgad@cpcug.org Subject: Hewlett Packard Omni/book 4000 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="1426085832-1018269798-814192597=:11302" Content-Id: Status: RO X-Status: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --1426085832-1018269798-814192597=:11302 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: I am using a Hewlett Packard OmniBook 4000CT and am unable to use my arrow keys in the Pine Program. I am not a techie, but did get some help from one, who verified this problem for me - that it is in fact the computer keyboard that is not cooperating, not my ignorance, causing me to be completely unable to navigate. If I use the up arrow key the screen freezes, with the bottom white bar on this screen noting that the up arrow has been activated. I can press escape to get back to an active screen My Expert advisor was able to determine for me that the Function keys ie F7 is cursor up, F8 is down, BUT, these keys are not working for me in Pine. What should I do? I assume the solution needs to involve an exchange of information at a technical level, with Pine programers and HewLett Packard people doing the talking. Please Help! Lavinia Gadsden Phone: 301-871-3960 Hewlett Packard is 503715-2004 --1426085832-1018269798-814192597=:11302-- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 20 07:33:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09909; Fri, 20 Oct 95 07:33:20 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08921; Fri, 20 Oct 95 07:28:00 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from jaguar1.usouthal.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08915; Fri, 20 Oct 95 07:27:58 -0700 Received: by jaguar1.usouthal.edu (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA08173; Fri, 20 Oct 1995 09:31:47 -0500 Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 09:31:47 -0500 (CDT) From: "Gentry A. Lankewicz" Subject: question To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 580 Status: O X-Status: I have a question: When creating a multiple address list, is it possible to hide all the addresses? For example, when I send a message to everyone in my department, I have an address set up so that I just type "ref" in the "TO:" slot. However, it is cumbersome for others to read the mail because the first page is full of all the addresses that the mail is being sent to. Is there anyway to hide these addresses? Gentry Lankewicz Electronic Services/Reference Librarian University of South Alabama Mobile, Alabama 36688 (334) 460-7025 glankewi@jaguar1.usouthal.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 20 07:41:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10085; Fri, 20 Oct 95 07:41:20 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04640; Fri, 20 Oct 95 07:28:56 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04634; Fri, 20 Oct 95 07:28:54 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t6IN3-00038DC; Fri, 20 Oct 95 07:24 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: showie@uoguelph.ca (Steve Howie) Subject: Wierd Pine Error Message Date: 18 Oct 1995 20:35:42 GMT Message-Id: <463oeu$rl5@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> Status: O X-Status: anyone ever see this message from Unix Pine 3.91? A user was attempting to save a message in a folder and received the following: [Message to save shrank! (#42: 1410 --> 1405)] It's reproducible too.. TIA, Scotty ================================================================= Steve Howie Email: showie@uoguelph.ca NetNews and Gopher Admin. Phone: (519) 824-4120 x2556 Computing and Communications Svcs. Fax: (519) 763-6143 University of Guelph If it's not Scottish its CRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPP ================================================================= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 20 08:53:52 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12723; Fri, 20 Oct 95 08:53:52 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10430; Fri, 20 Oct 95 08:39:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10424; Fri, 20 Oct 95 08:39:05 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t6JWw-00038DC; Fri, 20 Oct 95 08:38 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tsawada@uoguelph.ca (Tatsuya Sawada) Subject: Japanese on Pine Date: 20 Oct 1995 12:30:04 GMT Message-Id: <4684oc$shr@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> Status: O X-Status: I would like to use Japanese on Pine, but Japanese character includes escape code in it. So Pine cannot handle Japanese characte. Please tell me how to use Japanese on Pine. Tatsuya Sawada From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 20 09:25:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14965; Fri, 20 Oct 95 09:25:06 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07258; Fri, 20 Oct 95 09:14:09 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07252; Fri, 20 Oct 95 09:14:08 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t6JzS-00038KC; Fri, 20 Oct 95 09:08 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: maulz@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr S H Bonner) Subject: Re: Getting Mail headers without mail prog??? Date: 20 Oct 1995 14:02:18 +0100 Message-Id: <4686kq$53r@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> References: <45bj41$71u@nic-nac.CSU.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: In article , Sven Guckes writes: >DAMIN ESTES writes: >>hey, can you view the gif files in vt100 mode on a PC. >>Also how do you download files with pine to a floppy? > >TROLL ALERT! aww, rubbish the answer is giftoppm $* | ppmscale -xsize 80 | pnminvert | ppmtopgm | pgmtopbm | pbmtoascii assuming you have the right tools. Works fine for me to view gifs on my vt100. To download files, you might try something along the lines of setting your default printer on your pc to be to output to a file, (no idea if this is possible on a pc) and then set your pine printer option on the unix box to be 1) attached-to-ansi then "print" the files you wish to save. Otherwise Export and then ftp. > >Sven > >Followup-To: alt.fan.trolling Stephen. (pah, kids today never get the real answers to queries.) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 20 09:57:28 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16300; Fri, 20 Oct 95 09:57:28 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07914; Fri, 20 Oct 95 09:45:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shivams.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07908; Fri, 20 Oct 95 09:45:46 -0700 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15845; Fri, 20 Oct 95 09:45:39 -0700 Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 09:45:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Steve Howie Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Wierd Pine Error Message In-Reply-To: <463oeu$rl5@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> Message-Id: Organization: University of Washington; Office of Computing & Communications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I think we believe this bug is nailed in the development code... It had something to do with counting the msg length incorrectly for certain kinds of messages (maybe ones with nulls? I don't remember now). -teg On 18 Oct 1995, Steve Howie wrote: > anyone ever see this message from Unix Pine 3.91? A user was attempting > to save a message in a folder and received the following: > > [Message to save shrank! > (#42: 1410 --> 1405)] > > It's reproducible too.. > > TIA, > > Scotty > ================================================================= > Steve Howie Email: showie@uoguelph.ca > NetNews and Gopher Admin. Phone: (519) 824-4120 x2556 > Computing and Communications Svcs. Fax: (519) 763-6143 > University of Guelph > > If it's not Scottish its CRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPP > ================================================================= > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 20 10:55:29 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20698; Fri, 20 Oct 95 10:55:29 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13794; Fri, 20 Oct 95 10:49:25 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13788; Fri, 20 Oct 95 10:49:23 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t6LVJ-00038CC; Fri, 20 Oct 95 10:45 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mallwitz@imn.th-leipzig.de (Christian Mallwitz) Subject: Re: Getting Mail headers without mail prog??? Date: 20 Oct 1995 13:08:09 GMT Message-Id: <4686vp$dq2@server2.rz.uni-leipzig.de> References: <45bj41$71u@nic-nac.CSU.net> <46409b$djg@celebrian.otago.ac.nz> Status: O X-Status: brendan@celebrian.otago.ac.nz (Brendan Murray) writes: >Paul O Bartlett (pobart@access.digex.net) wrote: >> On 17 Oct 1995, Danny van der Rijn wrote: >> | In article <45bj41$71u@nic-nac.CSU.net> dlegate@rsa.csuhayward.edu (Dan LeGate) writes: >> | /usr/ucb/from >> This is fine provided all of your incoming mail is in your INBOX >> (i.e., still in the mail spool). However, I, like _many_ people, use a >> utility such as procmail (or filter) to pre-sort mail into various >> folders before I ever invoke my mail reader (Pine, in my case). I have >> been wanting a utility (Perl OK) that would list the headers of mail not >> only remaining in the INBOX but also in pre-sorted folders. what please is procmail? email welcome cheers christian -- Christian Mallwitz Technische Hochschule Leipzig www: http://www.th-leipzig.de/~mallwitz/home.html pgp: 02 30 7E 1A 7A C1 5C 16 2B 4D 53 A9 1B 05 F7 DD From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 20 11:10:07 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21651; Fri, 20 Oct 95 11:10:07 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09944; Fri, 20 Oct 95 10:59:24 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09938; Fri, 20 Oct 95 10:59:22 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t6LeM-00038CC; Fri, 20 Oct 95 10:54 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: the mole Subject: Re: Getting Mail headers without mail prog??? In-Reply-To: Paul O Bartlett's message of Wed, 18 Oct 1995 10:43:27 -0400 Message-Id: <7x91mgpiwd.fsf@burrow.muc.de> References: <45bj41$71u@nic-nac.CSU.net> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 10:08:19 GMT Status: O X-Status: >>>>> "pb" == Paul O Bartlett writes: pb> However, I, like _many_ people, use a utility such as procmail pb> (or filter) to pre-sort mail into various folders before I pb> ever invoke my mail reader (Pine, in my case). I have been pb> wanting a utility (Perl OK) that would list the headers of pb> mail not only remaining in the INBOX but also in pre-sorted pb> folders. if you use procmail take a look at the program 'mailstat' that comes with it: it shows how you mail was sorted (and if you read the plain file created by mailstat it also shows the headers). hth, tm -- / . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . the mole __ __/ __ __ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . tm@burrow.muc.de / / / / . . . . . . . . . . . . http://www.muc.de/~mgloede/ __/ __/ __/ __/ . . . . . . . http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~markusg/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 20 11:10:09 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21665; Fri, 20 Oct 95 11:10:09 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13955; Fri, 20 Oct 95 10:55:39 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ki1.Chemie.FU-Berlin.DE by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13949; Fri, 20 Oct 95 10:55:34 -0700 Received: by ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.1.28.1) from leibniz.math.fu-berlin.de (160.45.40.10) with smtp id ; Fri, 20 Oct 95 18:54 MET Received: by leibniz.math.fu-berlin.de (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.18.1 #18.14) id ; Fri, 20 Oct 95 18:54 MET Received: by landau.math.fu-berlin.de (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.18.1 #18.14) id ; Fri, 20 Oct 95 18:54 MET Message-Id: From: guckes@math.fu-berlin.de (Sven Guckes) Subject: Re: Possible pine bug w/large screens To: borton@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (borton scott andrew) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 18:54:39 +0100 (MET) Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu (Pine Information) In-Reply-To: <45f5kn$1u9@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> from "borton scott andrew" at Oct 11, 95 01:11:51 am Organization: Free University of Berlin X-Url: http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/ X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1045 Status: O X-Status: Quoting borton scott andrew: > I'm running Pine 3.91 on SVR4, using NCSA Telnet on a Macintosh. > When I set my terminal to a large size (stty rows 50 columns 120) the Pine > composer starts acting funny. The screen will draw, then the screen will > shift up one whole line. Thus, when I compose, it looks like I'm typing on > the cc: line when I'm actually typing on the to: line. Needless to say, this > is quite frustrating. Any suggestions? I assume that you have been resizing the telnet screen to 50x120 but that the terminal you are running pine on does not know that the terminal you view it on has that size. Better leave the terminal at the size when you started pine and not do any resize. If you however always use a 50x120 terminal with NCSATelnet [*] then you should set the terminal size before you call pine: stty rows 50 colums 120 Not all "stty" programs know this. So you might need to set env vars "LINES" and "COLUMNS". It all depends on your system. :-) Sven [*] Which version? I think 2.7b4 was the last I used. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 20 11:17:51 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22020; Fri, 20 Oct 95 11:17:51 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10142; Fri, 20 Oct 95 11:07:06 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ki1.Chemie.FU-Berlin.DE by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10136; Fri, 20 Oct 95 11:07:03 -0700 Received: by ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.1.28.1) from leibniz.math.fu-berlin.de (160.45.40.10) with smtp id ; Fri, 20 Oct 95 19:06 MET Received: by leibniz.math.fu-berlin.de (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.18.1 #18.14) id ; Fri, 20 Oct 95 19:06 MET Received: by landau.math.fu-berlin.de (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.18.1 #18.14) id ; Fri, 20 Oct 95 19:06 MET Message-Id: From: guckes@math.fu-berlin.de (Sven Guckes) Subject: Re: Folder Help To: phaedrus@snark.wizard.com (Phaedrus) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 19:06:46 +0100 (MET) Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <465r9c$3lg@jubjub.wizard.com> from "Phaedrus" at Oct 19, 95 03:36:12 pm Organization: Free University of Berlin X-Url: http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/ X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 526 Status: O X-Status: Quoting Phaedrus: > When I go into Pine and default into the Main Menu there is no item that > is selected or highlighted. The same when I go into the folder area. > This makes it rather difficult to manuver around. On my friends server > same version of Pine 3.90 he is able to see an item high lighted and goes > from there. I tried looking at Setup and Configure but with no luck. Highlighting depends on the features of both program and terminal. For help on terminals configuration you should get help locally. Sven From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 20 11:38:01 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23255; Fri, 20 Oct 95 11:38:01 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14840; Fri, 20 Oct 95 11:30:26 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ki1.Chemie.FU-Berlin.DE by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14834; Fri, 20 Oct 95 11:30:21 -0700 Received: by ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.1.28.1) from leibniz.math.fu-berlin.de (160.45.40.10) with smtp id ; Fri, 20 Oct 95 19:30 MET Received: by leibniz.math.fu-berlin.de (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.18.1 #18.14) id ; Fri, 20 Oct 95 19:30 MET Received: by landau.math.fu-berlin.de (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.18.1 #18.14) id ; Fri, 20 Oct 95 19:30 MET Message-Id: From: guckes@math.fu-berlin.de (Sven Guckes) Subject: Re: ELM -> PINE To: penchina@phast.umass.edu (CLAUDE M PENCHINA) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 19:30:14 +0100 (MET) Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu (Pine Information) In-Reply-To: from "CLAUDE M PENCHINA" at Oct 19, 95 07:11:11 pm Organization: Free University of Berlin X-Url: http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/ X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 573 Status: O X-Status: Quoting CLAUDE M PENCHINA: > Recently switched from Elm to Pine because Elm saves a copy of a message > before deleting it. Not true! If you use "s" to save then, yes, it saves a copy. However, you can use "d" to mark the current message for deletion. > I changed for that reason only, but generaly I like pine better. WHAT? argh > Address list can not import data from another ascii file, > e.g. the aliases from ELM. Aw, come on! You cannot expect a format conversion of every format there is with every program you might use. Use a script for conversion! Sven From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 20 11:45:19 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23628; Fri, 20 Oct 95 11:45:19 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15041; Fri, 20 Oct 95 11:39:33 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15035; Fri, 20 Oct 95 11:39:32 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t6MIo-00038CC; Fri, 20 Oct 95 11:36 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Re: Getting Mail headers without mail prog??? Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 11:51:18 -0400 Message-Id: References: <45bj41$71u@nic-nac.CSU.net> <46409b$djg@celebrian.otago.ac.nz> <4686vp$dq2@server2.rz.uni-leipzig.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <4686vp$dq2@server2.rz.uni-leipzig.de> Status: O X-Status: On 20 Oct 1995, Christian Mallwitz wrote: | brendan@celebrian.otago.ac.nz (Brendan Murray) writes: | | >Paul O Bartlett (pobart@access.digex.net) wrote: | >> On 17 Oct 1995, Danny van der Rijn wrote: | | >> | [nested stuff omitted] | | what please is procmail? Procmail is a mail pre-processing package written and supported by Stephen van der Berg (sp?) that runs under Unix and Unix-like systems. It can do many things with mail after it is delivered and before it is processed by a mail-user agent (pine, elm, whatever). Many people use procmail to sort incoming mail into various separate folders (such as mailing list mail each into their own), although procmail will do much more than this. To do much more than simple mail filtering, it seems to be assumed that the user knows a lot about Unix. Paul -------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett P. O. Box 857 Vienna, VA 22183-0857 U.S.A. Finger, keyserver, or email for PGP 2.6 public key -------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 20 12:05:51 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24695; Fri, 20 Oct 95 12:05:51 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11518; Fri, 20 Oct 95 11:59:52 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ki1.Chemie.FU-Berlin.DE by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11512; Fri, 20 Oct 95 11:59:49 -0700 Received: by ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.1.28.1) from leibniz.math.fu-berlin.de (160.45.40.10) with smtp id ; Fri, 20 Oct 95 19:59 MET Received: by leibniz.math.fu-berlin.de (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.18.1 #18.14) id ; Fri, 20 Oct 95 19:59 MET Received: by landau.math.fu-berlin.de (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.18.1 #18.14) id ; Fri, 20 Oct 95 19:59 MET Message-Id: From: guckes@math.fu-berlin.de (Sven Guckes) Subject: Re: Bcc: (Re: question) To: glankewi@jaguar1.usouthal.edu (Gentry A. Lankewicz) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 19:59:36 +0100 (MET) Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: from "Gentry A. Lankewicz" at Oct 20, 95 09:31:47 am Organization: Free University of Berlin X-Url: http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/ X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 711 Status: O X-Status: Quoting Gentry A. Lankewicz: > I have a question: That's what a mailing is for! ;-) > When creating a multiple address list, is it possible to hide all the > addresses? For example, when I send a message to everyone in my department, > I have an address set up so that I just type "ref" in the "TO:" slot. > However, it is cumbersome for others to read the mail because the first > page is full of all the addresses that the mail is being sent to. > Is there anyway to hide these addresses? Sure, put the "multiple address list" onto the Bcc: line. Then everyone will get a copy, but not see other addresses. As a mail needs an adress in the "To:" list, too, put yourself there. Or just "root". ;-) Sven From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 20 14:04:46 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00805; Fri, 20 Oct 95 14:04:46 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14702; Fri, 20 Oct 95 13:59:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14696; Fri, 20 Oct 95 13:59:51 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t6OWt-00038CC; Fri, 20 Oct 95 13:59 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ambrose@ix.netcom.com Subject: Pico help screen messed up in AIX 3.2.5 Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 17:30:11 GMT Message-Id: <468m35INNo7u@faatcrl.faa.gov> Status: O X-Status: Has anyone had any problems when they go to the pico help screen and it scrolls all of the file on the first line. The commands to exit are in the right place on the bottom. The monitor is an 1bm3151 and that's what I have it set to. Is there some more of the system that I need to install or a better seeting for my terminal? If I can't get this fixed, I can use pico as our exclusive editor. Thanks. Tony gurcsika@admin.tc.faa.gov From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 20 14:24:03 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01713; Fri, 20 Oct 95 14:24:03 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19009; Fri, 20 Oct 95 14:14:54 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19003; Fri, 20 Oct 95 14:14:53 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t6Oil-00038CC; Fri, 20 Oct 95 14:11 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dmbarton@mci.net (Daniel Barton) Subject: How to lock inbox folder? Date: 20 Oct 1995 17:37:38 GMT Message-Id: <468mp2$gub@news.internetmci.com> Status: O X-Status: The normal behavior of pine on my SunOS system is that if multiple pine sessions open the same inbox, the last to open it gets the folder lock. How can I change this behavior so that the first session holds the folder lock and future sessions get read-only? I couldn't find anything in the FAQ. Thanks, Daniel --------------------------------------------------------------- | Daniel M. Barton Internet: dmbarton@mci.net | | MCI Internet Services World Wide Web: | | Cary, North Carolina, USA http://infopage.mci.net | --------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 20 14:25:51 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01860; Fri, 20 Oct 95 14:25:51 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15120; Fri, 20 Oct 95 14:15:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from opus.csd.uwm.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15114; Fri, 20 Oct 95 14:15:15 -0700 Received: (dave@localhost) by opus.csd.uwm.edu (8.7.1/8.6.4) id QAA22934; Fri, 20 Oct 1995 16:15:13 -0500 Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 16:15:12 -0500 (CDT) From: Dave Rasmussen To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: CTRL ^ on a mac? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: How do you get a mac with telnet to be able to set a mark, which currently maps to a CTRL caret. Our macs seem not to be able to send control codes from numeric keys this way. I'm initially remapped this to a CTRL Delete, but the problem with this is that the people used to the old way on other machines now won't be able to make it work, and I don't particularly want to rewrite the code to do it both ways. What are other sites with macs doing? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 20 14:35:55 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02325; Fri, 20 Oct 95 14:35:55 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15379; Fri, 20 Oct 95 14:24:56 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA15372; Fri, 20 Oct 95 14:24:54 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t6OsB-00038EC; Fri, 20 Oct 95 14:21 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Eric Tse Subject: Threads in Pine Message-Id: Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 16:39:55 GMT Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Mime-Version: 1.0 Status: O X-Status: Dear all, When I'm reading news in Pine, I often want to look at all the articles in a particular thread. Is there any quick way to list the whole thread? The method I'm currently using is "w" (search for) the subject line, ^X (select) them all, then "z" (zoom) them. Any other easier method? Please help. Thanks. Eric -= Eric Tse - jyetse@uwaterloo.ca - BL923@torfree.net =- -= http://www.undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca/~jyetse =- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 20 16:31:34 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07302; Fri, 20 Oct 95 16:31:34 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18490; Fri, 20 Oct 95 16:22:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shivams.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18484; Fri, 20 Oct 95 16:22:31 -0700 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06874; Fri, 20 Oct 95 16:22:28 -0700 Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 16:22:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Daniel Barton Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: How to lock inbox folder? In-Reply-To: <468mp2$gub@news.internetmci.com> Message-Id: Organization: University of Washington; Office of Computing & Communications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Years ago Pine and imapd did what you want, but we got lots of complaints from people who's PC had wedged and they powered off, leaving a hung pine or imapd for awhile holding the lock. So we changed to "last one wins". The preferred way to solve the problem is to switch to Tenex format, which allows all sessions to have R/W access (except expunging can only be done when there is a single client). If Tenex format is not an option because of legacy mailer access requirements, hacking the c-client source would be necessary. -teg On 20 Oct 1995, Daniel Barton wrote: > The normal behavior of pine on my SunOS system is that if multiple pine > sessions open the same inbox, the last to open it gets the folder lock. > > How can I change this behavior so that the first session holds the folder > lock and future sessions get read-only? I couldn't find anything in the FAQ. > > Thanks, Daniel > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > | Daniel M. Barton Internet: dmbarton@mci.net | > | MCI Internet Services World Wide Web: | > | Cary, North Carolina, USA http://infopage.mci.net | > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 20 16:32:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07343; Fri, 20 Oct 95 16:32:54 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22555; Fri, 20 Oct 95 16:23:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shivams.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22549; Fri, 20 Oct 95 16:23:52 -0700 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06890; Fri, 20 Oct 95 16:23:23 -0700 Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 16:23:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Eric Tse Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Threads in Pine In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Organization: University of Washington; Office of Computing & Communications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Sort by Ordered Subject: $O -teg On Fri, 20 Oct 1995, Eric Tse wrote: > Dear all, > When I'm reading news in Pine, I often want to look at all the articles > in a particular thread. Is there any quick way to list the whole thread? > The method I'm currently using is "w" (search for) the subject line, ^X > (select) them all, then "z" (zoom) them. > Any other easier method? Please help. Thanks. > > Eric > > -= Eric Tse - jyetse@uwaterloo.ca - BL923@torfree.net =- > -= http://www.undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca/~jyetse =- > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 20 19:54:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13299; Fri, 20 Oct 95 19:54:42 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22267; Fri, 20 Oct 95 19:50:41 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22261; Fri, 20 Oct 95 19:50:40 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t6TwX-00038DC; Fri, 20 Oct 95 19:45 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Jukka.Toukonen@ficrc.abb.fi (Jukka Toukonen) Subject: letters turn to commands in pine's pico Date: 17 Oct 1995 16:26:10 GMT Message-Id: <460lf2$f27@idefix.eunet.fi> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Status: O X-Status: I'm using the version 3.91 and have some difficulties. Hardware is HP 730 running HP-UX 9.05 When composing mail some letters give the message unknown command, but others print ok. When using standalone pico, no such things happen. I´m using plain vanilla (HP) vt100 terminal emulation. What can I change in configuration files or compiling options to stop this irritating behaviour? -- ************************************************************************ Jukka Toukonen ABB Corporate Research Electronic Systems Laboratory From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 20 21:00:39 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14958; Fri, 20 Oct 95 21:00:39 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23257; Fri, 20 Oct 95 20:55:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23251; Fri, 20 Oct 95 20:55:45 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t6Uxx-00038DC; Fri, 20 Oct 95 20:51 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: How to lock inbox folder? Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 16:57:24 -0700 Message-Id: References: <468mp2$gub@news.internetmci.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <468mp2$gub@news.internetmci.com> Status: O X-Status: On 20 Oct 1995, Daniel Barton wrote: > The normal behavior of pine on my SunOS system is that if multiple pine > sessions open the same inbox, the last to open it gets the folder lock. > > How can I change this behavior so that the first session holds the folder > lock and future sessions get read-only? I couldn't find anything in the FAQ. This is the old behavior, and it got changed because people complained about it (e.g. they left a Pine logged in at the office and found that they couldn't get read-write when they logged in from home). If you really want the old behavior, look for code which looks like this in pine3.91/imap/c-client/bezerk.c and pine3.91/imap/c-client/mmdf.c /* can get the lock? */ else if (flock (fd,LOCK_EX|LOCK_NB)) { if (retry-- == KODRETRY) {/* no, first time through? */ /* yes, get other process' PID */ if (!fstat (fd,&sbuf) && (i = min (sbuf.st_size,MAILTMPLEN)) && (read (fd,tmp,i) == i) && !(tmp[i] = 0) && (i = atol (tmp))) { kill ((int) i,SIGUSR2); sprintf (tmp,"Trying to get mailbox lock from process %ld",i); mm_log (tmp,WARN); } else retry = 0; /* give up */ } close (fd); /* get a new handle next time around */ if (!stream->silent) { /* nothing if silent stream */ if (retry) sleep (1); /* wait a second before trying again */ else mm_log ("Mailbox is open by another process, access is readonly", WARN); } } Change that code to read as: /* can get the lock? */ else if (flock (fd,LOCK_EX|LOCK_NB)) { mm_log ("Mailbox is open by another process, access is readonly",WARN); -- Mark -- DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 20 22:13:15 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16374; Fri, 20 Oct 95 22:13:15 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28205; Fri, 20 Oct 95 22:09:20 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from destrier.acsu.buffalo.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28199; Fri, 20 Oct 95 22:09:18 -0700 Received: (from br@localhost) by destrier.acsu.buffalo.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA00839; Sat, 21 Oct 1995 01:09:17 -0400 Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 01:09:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Pulp Fiction To: info pine Subject: http://www.washington.edu:1180/pine/pine-info/95.09/msg00095.html (fwd) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: any ideas to the request below ? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 20 Oct 95 00:12:23 -0700 From: Warden M. Minor To: pulp fiction Subject: http://www.washington.edu:1180/pine/pine-info/95.09/msg00095.html Greeting from Portland, Oregon. I have a pine question I have not been able to get an answer to. I have a pine folder with a couple of hundred messages that I want to send the same broadcast e-mail message to. The Address Book is too much work for this one shot broadcast message thing, and I don't want to use macros via my communications program. Too slow. Any ideas? Thanks. Warden Minor warden@teleport.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 20 23:18:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17348; Fri, 20 Oct 95 23:18:12 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29069; Fri, 20 Oct 95 23:14:54 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from server.bridgeway.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29063; Fri, 20 Oct 95 23:14:52 -0700 Received: (from andrew@localhost) by server.bridgeway.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id XAA26397; Fri, 20 Oct 1995 23:15:29 -0700 Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 23:15:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrew Le To: Dave Rasmussen Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: CTRL ^ on a mac? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: If you're using NCSA Telnet 2.6 in the menus, there's a option called "Setup Keys" that allows you to map Cntr-C,Z and X to Unix equivalent... On Fri, 20 Oct 1995, Dave Rasmussen wrote: > How do you get a mac with telnet to be able to set a mark, > which currently maps to a CTRL caret. Our macs seem not to be able to send > control codes from numeric keys this way. > > I'm initially remapped this to a CTRL Delete, but the problem with this is > that the people used to the old way on other machines now won't be able to > make it work, and I don't particularly want to rewrite the code to do it > both ways. > > What are other sites with macs doing? > > ================================================================== Andrew Le support@server.bridgeway.com Bridgeway Corporation 206-881-4270 Bridging the Gap in Network Mgt. 206-861-1774 fax ================================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 21 00:54:18 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19093; Sat, 21 Oct 95 00:54:18 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00553; Sat, 21 Oct 95 00:51:18 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00547; Sat, 21 Oct 95 00:51:16 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t6Ydf-00038DC; Sat, 21 Oct 95 00:46 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Damin Subject: error 441 Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 00:00:32 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I get an error message when trying to respond to a message. error #441. What is it? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 21 03:21:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21976; Sat, 21 Oct 95 03:21:31 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28390; Sat, 21 Oct 95 03:16:37 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28384; Sat, 21 Oct 95 03:16:35 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t6av6-00038DC; Sat, 21 Oct 95 03:12 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: fred@funk.arizona.edu (fred funkabilly) Subject: pine protocol on vms not found, need help Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:58:33 GMT Message-Id: <465r9f$qb2@news.ccit.arizona.edu> Status: O X-Status: I have installed pine ver 3.89 on a VMS system that uses Multinet. It worked once. I move the files to another directory and now whenever I try sending a message I recieve the message back... no forriegn mail transport protocol defined and the mail is aborted. It receives mail fine. I installed the netlib020 from multinet and recompiled all to no avail.. Does anyone have information on how to solve this problem? Thanks Roger Smith From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 21 05:35:44 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24551; Sat, 21 Oct 95 05:35:44 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04175; Sat, 21 Oct 95 05:21:52 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04169; Sat, 21 Oct 95 05:21:51 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t6cug-00038DC; Sat, 21 Oct 95 05:20 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: davyc@ecs.ie.cuhk.hk (Davy Cheung) Subject: Just-send-8? Date: 21 Oct 1995 06:11:12 GMT Message-Id: <46a2u0$k7i@hkein.ie.cuhk.hk> Status: O X-Status: Hello, By default, Pine uses MIME (Quote-Printable) (and I even got base64 a few times) to post 8-bit news. MIME is useful in mails as many SMTP servers doesn't do 8-bit. However, most NNTP can do 8-bit while many popular news readers like tin can't do MIME. This is important for Chinese posting. People who read news with tin can't read my Chinese postings from Pine. Is there any method to make Pine 3.91 to post with 8-bit directly? Thanks. Regards, Davy From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 21 05:39:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24632; Sat, 21 Oct 95 05:39:42 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00465; Sat, 21 Oct 95 05:36:54 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00459; Sat, 21 Oct 95 05:36:53 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t6d7L-00038DC; Sat, 21 Oct 95 05:33 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sherwood@mailhost.space.ualberta.ca (Sherwood Botsford) Subject: More suggestions Date: 21 Oct 1995 06:31:21 GMT Message-Id: <46a43p$159e@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> Status: O X-Status: I'm using pine 3.91 under NextSTep and HP-UX. I've got my default editor set to vi. A couple minor agravations. 1. If my file carbon copy is set to name, and I reject the fcc when I suddently realize that I'm about to make yet another folder, pine throws me back in the editor. I think that instead it should leave me on the fcc line, to change/delete it, or optionally abort the fcc. (Another config item?) 2. Both in PICO and in Pine, when the reply is quoted, the blank lines are quoted too. This means that delete paragraph in vi zaps the entire message. Please, can pine do some formating of the message and stuff a blank line between paragraphs when quoting. 3. At present for a list I can set a name for the fcc folder. While I don't really want a folder for each person I correspond with, I'd like to have some automation here. Could pine remember on a per name basis where to put fcc's, at least for the one's in the address book. (E.g. I throw all my vendor correspondence into a folder called Vendors. There are people on the strawbale mailing list that I want always fcc'd to strawbale, instead of to bec2354. ) 4. I'm using procmail to prefilter my mail and put the stuff from about 8 of the mailing lists I'm on into separate folders which I identify as incomming folders for Pine. That works great. One of the folders has about 300 messages in it. I'd like to jsut keep them there -- I don't really see a need to keep the incoming separate from the storage for these guys. HOWEVER, pine takes a long time to check that it doesn't have anything new in it. I suspect that it's reading the whole damn thing to find out if there's anything new. Surely this could be done with a file stat call to check the timestamp of the file. (This may require Pine to keep track of when it last read a given folder.) Ok, flame away. - From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 21 06:11:16 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24957; Sat, 21 Oct 95 06:11:16 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00818; Sat, 21 Oct 95 06:07:08 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00812; Sat, 21 Oct 95 06:07:07 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t6dYo-00038DC; Sat, 21 Oct 95 06:02 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sherwood@mailhost.space.ualberta.ca (Sherwood Botsford) Subject: Re: http://www.washington.edu:1180/pine/pine-info/95.09/msg00095.html (fwd) Date: 21 Oct 1995 06:47:44 GMT Message-Id: <46a52g$159e@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> References: Status: O X-Status: Pulp Fiction (br@acsu.buffalo.edu) wrote: : any ideas to the request below ? : ---------- Forwarded message ---------- : Date: Fri, 20 Oct 95 00:12:23 -0700 : From: Warden M. Minor : To: pulp fiction : Subject: http://www.washington.edu:1180/pine/pine-info/95.09/msg00095.html : Greeting from Portland, Oregon. : I have a pine question I have not been able to get an answer to. I : have a pine folder with a couple of hundred messages that I want to : send the same broadcast e-mail message to. The Address Book is too : much work for this one shot broadcast message thing, and I don't want : to use macros via my communications program. Too slow. : Any ideas? Thanks. : Warden Minor : warden@teleport.com How about egrep '^From:' mailfoldername | sed -e 's-^From:--' | sort | uniq > list That willgive you a list of all the people on the folder. That list can either be pasted into the address book by hand editing it outside of pine, or you can do a cleaver xargs command with it. -- Sherwood Botsford # sherwood@space.ualberta.ca Physics Dept # 403 492 5728 mornings (Math Dept) University of Alberta # 3713 afternoons 0714 Fax Edmonton, AB, T6G 2J1 # Contract Unix system admin & troubleshooting From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 21 06:25:34 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25244; Sat, 21 Oct 95 06:25:34 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04896; Sat, 21 Oct 95 06:21:59 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04890; Sat, 21 Oct 95 06:21:58 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t6doU-00038DC; Sat, 21 Oct 95 06:18 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sherwood@mailhost.space.ualberta.ca (Sherwood Botsford) Subject: Re: Lists & "Reply to All?" Date: 21 Oct 1995 06:55:06 GMT Message-Id: <46a5ga$159e@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> References: <466lu3$3a4@news.mainelink.net> Status: O X-Status: Eric Tse (jyetse@napier.uwaterloo.ca) wrote: : On 19 Oct 1995 nkjb@mainelink.net wrote: : > Could you tell me whether I should "Reply to all Recipients" when I am : > simply replying to a message that has come to me via a mailing list? My : > hunch is that should not. : No, you shouldn't reply to all recipients. Just reply to the address on : the "From:" line. :) Depends on how the list is set up, and the charter for it. E.g. next-managers has a deliberate policy when you post a problem that you reply to the poster only. He sumarizes to the whole list. This keeps the volume very small. On the strawbale list, we brainstorm a lot, and the convention is that we reply to the list. One thing I find aggravating however is people who reply all, then don't notice that they are replying to the list, and cc'ing to the list. If the list server is slightly stupid, this results in everyone getting two copies. So my answer would be, say yes, then look at the headers and check where it's going. -- Sherwood Botsford # sherwood@space.ualberta.ca Physics Dept # 403 492 5728 mornings (Math Dept) University of Alberta # 3713 afternoons 0714 Fax Edmonton, AB, T6G 2J1 # Contract Unix system admin & troubleshooting From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 21 06:29:24 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25322; Sat, 21 Oct 95 06:29:24 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01074; Sat, 21 Oct 95 06:27:00 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01068; Sat, 21 Oct 95 06:26:58 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t6dwe-00038DC; Sat, 21 Oct 95 06:26 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ktso@decmgt.csc.cuhk.hk (SO Kwok Tsun) Subject: Re: 400 lines. Pine3.91-8bit Patch, Sendmail8.7, 8bit turns into Quoted-Printable, Pine Q-P "bug". Date: 21 Oct 1995 07:18:48 GMT Message-Id: <46a6so$s9n@hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk> References: <45qt71$ba5@euas20.eua.ericsson.se> Status: O X-Status: per@erix.ericsson.se (Per Hedeland) writes: >I.e. it should never be used for a mailer that sends to the Internet in >general (and even *.se is "general" in this respect) - it is of course >possible to use it for specific destinations with whom you have >agreements to that effect, if you are prepared to accept the >administrative burden of keeping track of this. A simpler solution is of >course to suggest to those that are bothered by receiving Q-P that they >upgrade to an MTA that is capable of announcing 8BITMIME support - such >as sendmail 8.7.x. Why sendmail not designed to decode QP to 8BIT when receiving a mail? If this problem can be solved, mail can often stored as as-is and many existing MUA can read 8-bit messages. I think the transition can be smoother. Here in Hong Kong, we don't want to enable the QP flag of HP sendmail since our major receiver of 8-bit mail do have 8-bit capable sendmail mostly. -- SO Kwok Tsun [Ĭ°ê«T] Information Technology Service Unit, CUHK [­»´ä¤¤¤å¤j¾Ç¸ê°T¬ì§ÞªA°È³B] Email: ktso@cuhk.hk From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 21 07:21:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26043; Sat, 21 Oct 95 07:21:20 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05593; Sat, 21 Oct 95 07:17:06 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05586; Sat, 21 Oct 95 07:17:04 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t6efs-00038EC; Sat, 21 Oct 95 07:13 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: zach@world.std.com (Zachary H Leber) Subject: PINE hangs opening network INBOX Message-Id: Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 12:58:41 GMT Status: O X-Status: I use PINE for mail on my HP 735 running HP-UX 9.05. I have a network mail server which is a DECstation running Ultrix 4.2a. I mount the network mail directory to /net/mail on by HP, but when I try to open my INBOX, PINE hangs on opening. I think it is a problem with mail locking and NFS locking. All of this has worked fine until recently, although I have heard of problems like these. If you can offer any help, please email to zach@world.std.com. Thanks. -- ----------------------------------------------------- | Zach Leber | zach@world.std.com | | RSA | | | 22 Terry Avenue | Tel: 617-238-0600 x1312 | From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 21 08:04:14 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26689; Sat, 21 Oct 95 08:04:14 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06152; Sat, 21 Oct 95 08:01:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from snark.wizard.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06146; Sat, 21 Oct 95 08:01:52 -0700 Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 08:01:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Phaedrus To: Sven Guckes Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Folder Help In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 20 Oct 1995, Sven Guckes wrote: > Quoting Phaedrus: > > When I go into Pine and default into the Main Menu there is no item that > > is selected or highlighted. The same when I go into the folder area. > > This makes it rather difficult to manuver around. On my friends server > > same version of Pine 3.90 he is able to see an item high lighted and goes > > from there. I tried looking at Setup and Configure but with no luck. > > Highlighting depends on the features of both program and terminal. > For help on terminals configuration you should get help locally. > > Sven Thanks for responding. I have contacted my system administrator. That was the first thing I did when I couldn't figure out how to activate inverse text or high lighting certain items when I went into Set up or Configure. I even had my friend contact his sys admin as well since he uses another internet provider and his version of Pine (same as mine) shows high lighted items. The problem is most of these people deal with SLIP accounts and have very little knowledge about the dial up text based shell accounts. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 21 08:24:33 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA26977; Sat, 21 Oct 95 08:24:33 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02488; Sat, 21 Oct 95 08:22:13 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02482; Sat, 21 Oct 95 08:22:12 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t6fhQ-00038DC; Sat, 21 Oct 95 08:19 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: krzysiek Subject: Threaded news in pine ??? Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 14:08:21 GMT Status: O X-Status: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hello, Just to be sure - is it somehow possible to get the news threaded usin pine to read them ???? If yes - please respond ...... Krzysztof -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.i Comment: Processed by mkpgp1.6, a Pine/PGP interface. iQB1AgUBMIj+u13sFJJee2p1AQE6fQL9G/XEH6PGuCU8TvFrOOovhFH6nO2r1KQ4 umRfWxr/kte92RaHx34kL44cMQ0TN7pOfHwR77swV8+z7+OzJ7OMQz5Ag3wk9AjK qNPU5DBzV4qGXw9GZIoBZDRx0G5ar9gS =VYhs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 21 08:40:53 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27270; Sat, 21 Oct 95 08:40:53 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02685; Sat, 21 Oct 95 08:37:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shivams.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02679; Sat, 21 Oct 95 08:37:20 -0700 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27201; Sat, 21 Oct 95 08:37:08 -0700 Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 08:37:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Davy Cheung Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Just-send-8? In-Reply-To: <46a2u0$k7i@hkein.ie.cuhk.hk> Message-Id: Organization: University of Washington; Office of Computing & Communications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Davy, "Just-send-8" violates Internet standards and is not supported by Pine, notwithstanding the fact that a few folks have posted unsanctioned source patches to make Pine violate the standard. Pine 3.92 will support ESMTP negotiation of 8BITMIME, which is the correct way of solving the problem in the Internet. -teg On 21 Oct 1995, Davy Cheung wrote: > Hello, > > By default, Pine uses MIME (Quote-Printable) (and I even got base64 a few > times) to post 8-bit news. > > MIME is useful in mails as many SMTP servers doesn't do 8-bit. However, > most NNTP can do 8-bit while many popular news readers like tin can't do > MIME. This is important for Chinese posting. People who read news with tin > can't read my Chinese postings from Pine. > > Is there any method to make Pine 3.91 to post with 8-bit directly? > > Thanks. > > Regards, > Davy > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 21 08:43:35 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27342; Sat, 21 Oct 95 08:43:35 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06597; Sat, 21 Oct 95 08:39:00 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shivams.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06591; Sat, 21 Oct 95 08:38:58 -0700 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27235; Sat, 21 Oct 95 08:38:48 -0700 Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 08:38:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: SO Kwok Tsun Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: 400 lines. Pine3.91-8bit Patch, Sendmail8.7, 8bit turns into Quoted-Printable, Pine Q-P "bug". In-Reply-To: <46a6so$s9n@hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk> Message-Id: Organization: University of Washington; Office of Computing & Communications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Status: O X-Status: Having sendmail (or more likely, the delivery program, e.g. /bin/mail) do QP and Base64 decoding seems like a good idea to me, but I don't know of anyone who has done it. -teg On 21 Oct 1995, SO Kwok Tsun wrote: > per@erix.ericsson.se (Per Hedeland) writes: > > >I.e. it should never be used for a mailer that sends to the Internet in > >general (and even *.se is "general" in this respect) - it is of course > >possible to use it for specific destinations with whom you have > >agreements to that effect, if you are prepared to accept the > >administrative burden of keeping track of this. A simpler solution is of > >course to suggest to those that are bothered by receiving Q-P that they > >upgrade to an MTA that is capable of announcing 8BITMIME support - such > >as sendmail 8.7.x. > > Why sendmail not designed to decode QP to 8BIT when receiving a mail? If > this problem can be solved, mail can often stored as as-is and many > existing MUA can read 8-bit messages. I think the transition can be > smoother. Here in Hong Kong, we don't want to enable the QP flag of HP > sendmail since our major receiver of 8-bit mail do have 8-bit capable > sendmail mostly. > > -- > SO Kwok Tsun [=C4=AC=B0=EA=ABT] > Information Technology Service Unit, CUHK > [=AD=BB=B4=E4=A4=A4=A4=E5=A4j=BE=C7=B8=EA=B0T=AC=EC=A7=DE=AAA=B0=C8=B3B] > Email: ktso@cuhk.hk > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 21 08:49:55 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27494; Sat, 21 Oct 95 08:49:55 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06707; Sat, 21 Oct 95 08:47:18 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06701; Sat, 21 Oct 95 08:47:17 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t6g61-00038DC; Sat, 21 Oct 95 08:44 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: flavell@v2.ph.gla.ac.uk (Alan J. Flavell) Subject: Re: pine on VAX/VMS, quota exceeded...HELP!! Message-Id: References: <01HWA6FZUZFMB9XPUU@mecn.mass.edu> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 10:23:06 GMT Status: RO X-Status: In article <01HWA6FZUZFMB9XPUU@mecn.mass.edu>, WOR96ISB16@mecn.mass.edu writes: >I really need help from anyone who knows anything about pine >when it is operating on a VMS system. A friend is in dire straits because >his alloted quota on our system is exceeded. He has deleted many >messages, but the amount of space he is using is still too great. >I use regular vms mail, and can do something called compress on my >mail files which replaces the entire mail set up so that it is smaller, >reclaiming lots of disk space. Is there a similar command in pine? On VMS MAIL, recovery of file space occurs automatically, in my experience: on exit from VMS MAIL, it announces that it is recovering file space, there is a delay, and then it exits. When I use Yehavi's port of PINE to VMS, I feel sure that I have seen the same message occasionally. In any case, PINE uses exactly the same folders as VMS MAIL, so if you were to go into MAIL instead of PINE, you could do any tidying up that way. Alternatively the problem could be with keeping too many "versions" of old VAX/VMS files. This has nothing to do with PINE as such. If you do not require to keep old versions of VAX/VMS files, then just issue "PURGE [...]" at the VMS command prompt. Use DIR command with /SIZE etc. options to review file space occupancy. Again this is all boring old VMS stuff that really has nothing to do with PINE. Good luck --- Alan | http://ppewww.ph.gla.ac.uk/%7Eflavell/ "Dogs are too high-maintenance for my schedule" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 21 09:07:09 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27822; Sat, 21 Oct 95 09:07:09 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03035; Sat, 21 Oct 95 09:02:20 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03029; Sat, 21 Oct 95 09:02:19 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t6gLl-00038DC; Sat, 21 Oct 95 09:00 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: showie@uoguelph.ca (Steve Howie) Subject: Re: Wierd Pine Error Message Date: 21 Oct 1995 14:30:40 GMT Message-Id: <46b06g$4at@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> References: <463oeu$rl5@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> Status: O X-Status: Terry Gray (gray@cac.washington.edu) wrote: : I think we believe this bug is nailed in the development code... : It had something to do with counting the msg length incorrectly for : certain kinds of messages (maybe ones with nulls? I don't remember now). : : -teg : : On 18 Oct 1995, Steve Howie wrote: : : > anyone ever see this message from Unix Pine 3.91? A user was attempting : > to save a message in a folder and received the following: : > : > [Message to save shrank! : > (#42: 1410 --> 1405)] : > Okdokay .. thanks muchly, Terry. I had the user try to export the message rather than save it to see if works that way. Haven't heard back from them yet, but will let you know of the result. By "nailed in the development code" you mean the bug should be fixed in 3.92? :) Scotty ================================================================= Steve Howie Email: showie@uoguelph.ca NetNews and Gopher Admin. Phone: (519) 824-4120 x2556 Computing and Communications Svcs. Fax: (519) 763-6143 University of Guelph If it's not Scottish its CRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPP ================================================================= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 21 09:10:13 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27899; Sat, 21 Oct 95 09:10:13 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06983; Sat, 21 Oct 95 09:07:20 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA06977; Sat, 21 Oct 95 09:07:19 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t6gQE-00038DC; Sat, 21 Oct 95 09:05 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hurtta@dionysos.fmi.fi (Kari E. Hurtta) Subject: Re: 400 lines. Pine3.91-8bit Patch, Sendmail8.7, 8bit turns into Quoted-Printable, Pine Q-P "bug". Date: 21 Oct 1995 14:52:59 GMT Message-Id: <46b1gb$5lk@kronos.fmi.fi> References: <45qt71$ba5@euas20.eua.ericsson.se> <46a6so$s9n@hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: Article <46a6so$s9n@hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk> of SO Kwok Tsun Status: O X-Status: ktso@decmgt.csc.cuhk.hk (SO Kwok Tsun) writes: »per@erix.ericsson.se (Per Hedeland) writes: »>I.e. it should never be used for a mailer that sends to the Internet in »>general (and even *.se is "general" in this respect) - it is of course »>possible to use it for specific destinations with whom you have »>agreements to that effect, if you are prepared to accept the »>administrative burden of keeping track of this. A simpler solution is of »>course to suggest to those that are bothered by receiving Q-P that they »>upgrade to an MTA that is capable of announcing 8BITMIME support - such »>as sendmail 8.7.x. »Why sendmail not designed to decode QP to 8BIT when receiving a mail? If Perhaps lack of time? (In code of sendmail 8.7 there is flag for that with comment "not implemented"): 7TO8 (not implemtented): conf.h:119:# ifndef MIME7TO8 conf.h:120:# define MIME7TO8 1 /* 7->8 bit MIME conversions */ sendmail.h:368:#define MCIF_CVT7TO8 0x2000 /* convert from 7 to 8 bits */ 8TO7 (implemented): conf.c:219:#if MIME8TO7 conf.c:3597:#if MIME8TO7 conf.c:3598: "MIME8TO7", conf.h:115:# ifndef MIME8TO7 conf.h:116:# define MIME8TO7 1 /* 8->7 bit MIME conversions */ deliver.c:1531: mci->mci_flags |= MCIF_CVT8TO7; deliver.c:1533: mci->mci_flags &= ~MCIF_CVT8TO7; deliver.c:2396:#if MIME8TO7 deliver.c:2397: if (bitset(MCIF_CVT8TO7, mci->mci_flags)) headers.c:1140: bitset(MCIF_CVT8TO7|MCIF_INMIME, mci->mci_flags)) headers.c:1236:#if MIME8TO7 headers.c:1241: !bitset(MCIF_CVT8TO7, mci->mci_flags)) mime.c:59:#if MIME8TO7 mime.c:76:** MIME8TO7 -- output 8 bit body in 7 bit format readcf.c:1345:#if MIME8TO7 readcf.c:1592:#if MIME8TO7 sendmail.h:365:#define MCIF_CVT8TO7 0x0400 /* convert from 8 to 7 bits */ srvrsmtp.c:348:#if MIME8TO7 usersmtp.c:370:#if MIME8TO7 usersmtp.c:377: mci->mci_flags |= MCIF_CVT8TO7; »this problem can be solved, mail can often stored as as-is and many »existing MUA can read 8-bit messages. I think the transition can be »smoother. Here in Hong Kong, we don't want to enable the QP flag of HP »sendmail since our major receiver of 8-bit mail do have 8-bit capable »sendmail mostly. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 21 10:06:26 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29217; Sat, 21 Oct 95 10:06:26 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03903; Sat, 21 Oct 95 10:02:29 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03897; Sat, 21 Oct 95 10:02:28 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t6hHl-00038DC; Sat, 21 Oct 95 10:00 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ivler@crl.com (J.M. Ivler) Subject: Re: Rejecting incoming mail Date: 21 Oct 1995 16:29:50 GMT Message-Id: <46b75u$o5u@nntp.crl.com> References: <466edt$e3a@henson.cc.wwu.edu> Status: O X-Status: Evelyn Albrecht (evelyn@cc.wwu.edu) wrote: : I think I've seen messages here about how to reject or block incoming : mail from a specified correspondent, but don't remember the answer and can't : find it in the FAQ. So, how's it done? Procmail jmi ivler@i-xpress.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 21 10:41:09 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29858; Sat, 21 Oct 95 10:41:09 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08154; Sat, 21 Oct 95 10:37:34 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08148; Sat, 21 Oct 95 10:37:32 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t6hnZ-00038EC; Sat, 21 Oct 95 10:33 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rick@helix.nih.gov (Rick Troxel) Subject: Re: How to get to the bottom of the mesg list? In-Reply-To: gaojeng@durras.anu.edu.au's message of 20 Oct 95 04: 20:07 GMT Message-Id: References: Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 14:41:32 GMT Status: O X-Status: In article gaojeng@durras.anu.edu.au (Jie Gao) writes: I am just wondering whether there is a command in PINE that has the function of getting directly to the bottom of the mesg list like "*" does in ELM? ^W^V -- i.e. Ctrl-W Ctrl-V. -- Rick Troxel Rick_Troxel@nih.gov rick@helix.nih.gov 301/496-4823 /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// All effort and exertion put forth by man from the fullness of his heart is worship, if it is prompted by the highest motives and the will to do service to humanity. --Abdu'l-Baha From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 21 10:49:38 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00101; Sat, 21 Oct 95 10:49:38 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08290; Sat, 21 Oct 95 10:47:38 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA08284; Sat, 21 Oct 95 10:47:37 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t6i0y-00038EC; Sat, 21 Oct 95 10:47 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Frederic Udina Subject: Q: how to forward and edit Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 09:38:09 +0100 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hi, Sometimes I have a message and I want to resend it or forward it to someone BUT I need to edit it before that. In pine, If I 'f'orward the message, sometimes it put the old message as an attachment to the new, and so I can't edit it. Is there some solution to it? Frederic Udina _______________________________________________________________________ | voice: 34 - 3 - 542 17 56 Facultat de Ciencies Economiques | fax: 34 - 3 - 542 17 46 Universitat Pompeu Fabra | e-mail: udina@upf.es Balmes 132 | appleLink: spa0172 08008 Barcelona | Compuserve: 100555.603 SPAIN | W W Web: http://libiya.upf.es/ ___________________________________/_\_________________________________ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 21 10:51:10 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00143; Sat, 21 Oct 95 10:51:10 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04593; Sat, 21 Oct 95 10:47:35 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04587; Sat, 21 Oct 95 10:47:34 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t6hxN-00038DC; Sat, 21 Oct 95 10:43 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rick@helix.nih.gov (Rick Troxel) Subject: Re: Lists & "Reply to All?" In-Reply-To: nkjb@mainelink.net's message of 19 Oct 1995 23: 10:58 GMT Message-Id: References: <466lu3$3a4@news.mainelink.net> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 14:44:42 GMT Status: O X-Status: In article <466lu3$3a4@news.mainelink.net> nkjb@mainelink.net () writes: Could you tell me whether I should "Reply to all Recipients" when I am simply replying to a message that has come to me via a mailing list? My hunch is that should not. If in doubt, one can always reply Yes and inspect the addresses Pine supplies, deleting any that seem undesirable. My experience has been that usually this just duplicates the mailing list address in the Cc: header; but I don't think this need *always* be the case. Regards, -- Rick Troxel Rick_Troxel@nih.gov rick@helix.nih.gov 301/496-4823 /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// All effort and exertion put forth by man from the fullness of his heart is worship, if it is prompted by the highest motives and the will to do service to humanity. --Abdu'l-Baha From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 21 14:45:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05261; Sat, 21 Oct 95 14:45:20 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11597; Sat, 21 Oct 95 14:43:01 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11591; Sat, 21 Oct 95 14:42:59 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t6ldJ-00038DC; Sat, 21 Oct 95 14:39 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jgvd@guava.epix.net (Jonathan and DearOldDad) Subject: Re: Move cursor reverse by word. Date: 16 Oct 1995 17:14:02 GMT Message-Id: <45u3sq$69f@guava.epix.net> References: Status: O X-Status: Robert Rolf (robert.rolf@UAlberta.CA) wrote: : Can we also get a move cursor ... (stuff deleted) ... to jump to next : punctuation (like a . or ,)(^]) if you haven't already done so. : I don't remember these as being 'special' ASCII codes like ^S^Q. Try ^W (control + w) then . or , or ... or whatever ! Hope this helps. /\ /~\/\/\ /\ /\ /\ |>> John (aka DearOldDad) /\ \/\/ / / \/\/ \/\/\/ \/ \/\|Fore! Pocono Mtns PA USA EARTH/__\/_/__/_/___/email_jgvd@epix.net_|_____ Have a nice day, even if you've made other plans ;-) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 21 15:08:18 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05705; Sat, 21 Oct 95 15:08:18 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11946; Sat, 21 Oct 95 15:06:13 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ki1.Chemie.FU-Berlin.DE by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11940; Sat, 21 Oct 95 15:06:07 -0700 Received: by ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.1.28.1) from leibniz.math.fu-berlin.de (160.45.40.10) with smtp id ; Sat, 21 Oct 95 23:06 MET Received: by leibniz.math.fu-berlin.de (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.18.1 #18.14) id ; Sat, 21 Oct 95 23:06 MET Received: by landau.math.fu-berlin.de (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.18.1 #18.14) id ; Sat, 21 Oct 95 23:06 MET Message-Id: From: guckes@math.fu-berlin.de (Sven Guckes) Subject: Re: pine and vi - clear lines with quote only (Re: More suggestions) To: sherwood@mailhost.space.ualberta.ca (Sherwood Botsford) Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 23:06:01 +0100 (MET) Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <46a43p$159e@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> from "Sherwood Botsford" at Oct 21, 95 06:31:21 am Organization: Free University of Berlin X-Url: http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/ X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1088 Status: O X-Status: Quoting Sherwood Botsford: > pine 3.91, NextSTep and HP-UX. > 2. Both in PICO and in Pine, when the reply is quoted, the blank lines > are quoted too. This means that delete paragraph in vi zaps the entire > message. Please, can pine do some formating of the message and stuff a > blank line between paragraphs when quoting. Use this vi "macro" to clear all lines which only contain the "quote string": " 950101 ,D = "clear quoted empty lines" map ,D :g/^> *$/s/^.*$// NOTE: You can put this into vi's startup file ($HOME/.exrc). "^M" has to be typed in with "control-v control-m". The '"' at the start of the line marks the line as a comment. Comments are *not* made with a has mark (#). This assumes that "> " is the "quote string". Of course you could let vi perform the command ",D" with every starup but I do not recommend it. Use it when appropriate! Sven -- [950801] "VIM Pages" ("vi improved") - free vi! UNIX, DOS, OS/2, Mac, ... Home Page: http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/vim/ Sample vimrc: http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/setup/vimrc From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 21 17:01:24 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07483; Sat, 21 Oct 95 17:01:24 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09693; Sat, 21 Oct 95 16:58:20 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09687; Sat, 21 Oct 95 16:58:19 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t6nm9-00038DC; Sat, 21 Oct 95 16:56 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul O Bartlett Subject: Re: Threaded news in pine ??? Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 19:14:23 -0400 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: On Sat, 21 Oct 1995, krzysiek wrote: > Just to be sure - is it somehow possible to get the news threaded usin > pine to read them ???? > If yes - please respond ...... If you are using Pine 3.91, go into Setup/Config. Under sort-key, set the sort order to OrderedSubj. According to the help screen, this provides "pseudo threading." Paul -------------------------------------------------- Paul O. Bartlett P. O. Box 857 Vienna, VA 22183-0857 U.S.A. Finger, keyserver, or email for PGP 2.6 public key -------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 21 20:17:30 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10964; Sat, 21 Oct 95 20:17:30 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16174; Sat, 21 Oct 95 20:13:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16168; Sat, 21 Oct 95 20:13:45 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t6qr1-00038DC; Sat, 21 Oct 95 20:13 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mh@europe (Martin Hollender) Subject: Re: Compiling pine under Solaris 2.4 Date: 19 Oct 1995 08:27:16 GMT Message-Id: <465254$1pu@naurouze.cert.fr> References: <454i6l$2q1@bud.shadow.net> Status: O X-Status: Mike Arias (mikea@shadow.net) wrote: : I am compiling pine, and it does not let me go beyond addrbook.c. The messages : it gives me are conflicting types : memcpy, strcpy, memcmp, strcmp, and also : rename. After these messages it simply stops and gives me an error. Any help : would be greatly appreciated. : Mike hhmmm, I comment out some things in c-client/os_sv4.h (unistd.h,stdlib.h and the 5 prototypes at the end) --> no more conflicts, it compiled. Ciao Martin From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 21 21:01:27 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12101; Sat, 21 Oct 95 21:01:27 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16803; Sat, 21 Oct 95 20:58:56 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16797; Sat, 21 Oct 95 20:58:55 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t6rXN-00038DC; Sat, 21 Oct 95 20:57 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: 400 lines. Pine3.91-8bit Patch, Sendmail8.7, 8bit turns into , Quoted-Printable, Pine Q-P "bug". Date: 21 Oct 1995 22:46:06 GMT Message-Id: <46bt7e$fdc@hustle.rahul.net> References: <45qt71$ba5@euas20.eua.ericsson.se> <46a6so$s9n@hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk> Status: O X-Status: In Mark Crispin writes: >> [=AD=BB=B4=E4=A4=A4=A4=E5=A4j=BE=C7=B8=EA=B0T=AC=EC=A7=DE=AAA=B0=C8=B3B] >The above is an excellent example of why "just send 8-bits" is >wrong-headed....Pine hasn't the slightest idea >what character set it is. The "just send 8 bits" philosophy is for use "between consenting adults", so to speak. When sender and recipient have prior agreement about the character set being used, "just send 8 bits" is not only acceptable, but also the most efficient and simple protocol. The "just send 8 bits" strategy works just fine for email, since it's always sent to a specific recipient. It can work for Usenet News in regional newsgroups, but is of course undesirable in Newsgroups with global scope. Clearly, misapplications can occur. The "wrong-headed" label belongs to a specific application of "just send 8 bits", not to the basic strategy itself. On the other hand, traditionally people have put pretty much anything they wanted in their .signature. So, "just send 8 bits" in the .signature part of a Usenet posting should be happily tolerated - it's not very different from some obscure quote or a puzzling ascii graphic. -- Rahul Dhesi "please ignore Dhesi" -- Mark Crispin From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 21 22:01:26 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13319; Sat, 21 Oct 95 22:01:26 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13721; Sat, 21 Oct 95 21:59:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA13715; Sat, 21 Oct 95 21:59:06 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t6sTe-00038HC; Sat, 21 Oct 95 21:57 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hfreder@hardy.math.okstate.edu (HICKS FREDERICK W) Subject: Pine and MMDF Date: 22 Oct 1995 00:33:51 GMT Message-Id: <46c3hf$6ge@news.cis.okstate.edu> Status: O X-Status: I'd like to use MMDF's .maildelivery on my system and it works fine with pine but only half the time. Whenever it stores a message in one of my folders in ... whatever format it is that it's storing it in that pine doesn't grok, pine thinks it's part of the previous message. This makes things unmanagable and worse yet, uncool. Is there any hope in *hell* of MMDF being supported? -- _______________________________________________________________________________ Frederick W. Hicks IV | "The difference between Heaven and Hell is which hfreder@math.okstate.edu | end of the pitchfork you're on." http://www.io.com/user/iago/ | -- Rev. Sheldon deWehr, Church of the SubGenius From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 22 02:16:28 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18059; Sun, 22 Oct 95 02:16:28 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20959; Sun, 22 Oct 95 02:14:42 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20953; Sun, 22 Oct 95 02:14:41 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t6v2U-00038EC; Sun, 22 Oct 95 00:41 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: badwine@netcom.com (Ken Malvino) Subject: Unable to open Inbox Help Message-Id: Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 07:11:14 GMT Status: O X-Status: I was playing around at the prompt and mistakenly changed something. Now when I run pine I get a message that the folder inbox is unavailable. What did I do wrong and how can I correct the problem. I was playing around with mail. I pressed q and the message said that messages were saved to /.mailbox/mbox. Please help. Pine is effectively uselss. I'm sure there is a quick fix but I don't know it. ken Please email to badwine@netcom.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 22 02:17:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18109; Sun, 22 Oct 95 02:17:23 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17174; Sun, 22 Oct 95 02:14:44 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17168; Sun, 22 Oct 95 02:14:42 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t6w2C-00038IC; Sun, 22 Oct 95 01:45 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: an413814@anon.penet.fi Message-Id: <084313Z22101995@anon.penet.fi> Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 08:40:28 UTC Subject: Signature dashes? Status: O X-Status: I've just switched to using pine, and I can't figure out how to turn on signature dashes. Not good when using anonymous remailers, since they expect standard sig formatting :-( (If a .signature doesn't start with '-- 'the anonymizer won't spot it as a .sig, since that's been standard .sig formatting since at least Bnews.) Is there a way to turn on sig dashes, or do I have to make a separate .signature just for pine, with the dashes in the sig? I didn't see any mention of this in the signature & finger FAQ, even though it does show how to turn on the dashes in elm. TIA --****ATTENTION****--****ATTENTION****--****ATTENTION****--***ATTENTION*** Your e-mail reply to this message WILL be *automatically* ANONYMIZED. Please, report inappropriate use to abuse@anon.penet.fi For information (incl. non-anon reply) write to help@anon.penet.fi If you have any problems, address them to admin@anon.penet.fi From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 22 02:17:29 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18124; Sun, 22 Oct 95 02:17:29 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17166; Sun, 22 Oct 95 02:14:40 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA17160; Sun, 22 Oct 95 02:14:38 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t6v0q-00038DC; Sun, 22 Oct 95 00:40 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: evelyn@cc.wwu.edu (Evelyn Albrecht) Subject: Re: Rejecting incoming mail Date: 19 Oct 1995 14:02:53 -0700 Message-Id: <466edt$e3a@henson.cc.wwu.edu> Status: O X-Status: I think I've seen messages here about how to reject or block incoming mail from a specified correspondent, but don't remember the answer and can't find it in the FAQ. So, how's it done? Thanks, Evelyn -- |Evelyn Albrecht Ph: (360) 650-3239 | |Academic Computing Services Internet: evelyn@henson.cc.wwu.edu | |Western Washington Univ. | |Bellingham, WA 98225-9094 | From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 22 03:17:44 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA19422; Sun, 22 Oct 95 03:17:44 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21677; Sun, 22 Oct 95 03:14:48 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21671; Sun, 22 Oct 95 03:14:47 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t6xPj-00038DC; Sun, 22 Oct 95 03:13 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: wschow@Comp.HKBU.Edu.HK (Mr. Chow Wing Siu) Subject: Re: 400 lines. Pine3.91-8bit Patch, Sendmail8.7, 8bit turns into , Quoted-Printable, Pine Q-P "bug". Date: 22 Oct 1995 09:23:39 GMT Message-Id: <46d2ir$sfp@ctsc.hkbc.hk> References: <45qt71$ba5@euas20.eua.ericsson.se> <46a6so$s9n@hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk> Status: O X-Status: As a BIG5 user, I quite agree that pine seems to ignore 8 bit news sending problem. Even I turn to ISO-8859-1 and all relevant environmental variables to accept 8 bit. Although I think tin is better than pine as a news program, it is better to have any patch to fix this minor problem. TIA. -- Johnson Chow Mark Crispin (mrc@CAC.Washington.EDU) wrote: : On 21 Oct 1995, SO Kwok Tsun wrote: : > SO Kwok Tsun [=C4=AC=B0=EA=ABT] : > Information Technology Service Unit, CUHK : > [=AD=BB=B4=E4=A4=A4=A4=E5=A4j=BE=C7=B8=EA=B0T=AC=EC=A7=DE=AAA=B0=C8=B3B] : > Email: ktso@cuhk.hk : The above is an excellent example of why "just send 8-bits" is : wrong-headed. I normally read netnews either in a window that displays : ISO-8859-1 or ISO-2022-JP. The above text is in BIG5, the encoding used : in Taiwan and Hong Kong, and if I display it in a BIG5 xterm it will : display properly. In an ISO-8859-1 window the results are, um, : interesting. : However, since it was just sent as 8-bits, Pine hasn't the slightest idea : what character set it is. I suspect that Pine will innocently apply : quoted-printable to this message (which isn't bad by itself) but will : probably label it as ISO-8859-1. Oops. Not its fault, though. : If the posting had been labeled as being MIME CHARSET CN-BIG5, Pine would : at least have had some warning. : -- Mark -- : DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" : Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. -- Johnson Chow ------------------------------------------------------------------ E-mail: wschow@comp.hkbu.edu.hk PGP 1024-bit key, Key ID 5362C999 Key fingerprint = AB C1 D2 67 59 8D 7D 01 0F D3 C2 1D 85 F0 4B 70 Public key: URL http://www.comp.hkbu.edu.hk/~wschow/pgp.html ------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 22 07:18:59 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23685; Sun, 22 Oct 95 07:18:59 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21294; Sun, 22 Oct 95 07:15:20 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA21288; Sun, 22 Oct 95 07:15:19 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t7184-00038DC; Sun, 22 Oct 95 07:12 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Vince R." Subject: # of lines sent to printer per page Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 20:12:01 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hello all, This is my first post. I am new to PC-Pine v3.91. Is there any way to set the number of lines per page that Pine sends in the ANSI-PRINTER mode? I am using Windows 3.1 and an HP 550c printer. The text prints OK except that the HP does an auto LF just before Pine sends a LF. Therefore I end up with lots of white space every other page! Hope that someone has solved this and can pass along the info to me. Thanks, Vince From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 22 10:53:02 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27410; Sun, 22 Oct 95 10:53:02 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27695; Sun, 22 Oct 95 10:45:48 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27689; Sun, 22 Oct 95 10:45:47 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t74Op-00038DC; Sun, 22 Oct 95 10:41 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: butch@maestro.maestro.com (' ALLAN W. BART) Subject: Need help restarting Pine Message-Id: Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 13:28:58 GMT Status: O X-Status: Hello, I could use some assistance, I was working with a bitftp server and was getting the files sent to me fast and furious and then i did some thing that caused pine to lock processes and go into a read only mode, how do i restart? allan From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 22 15:58:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA02878; Sun, 22 Oct 95 15:58:42 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28276; Sun, 22 Oct 95 15:56:35 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA28270; Sun, 22 Oct 95 15:56:34 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t79FL-00038HC; Sun, 22 Oct 95 15:52 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: amos@unt.edu (Amos A. Gouaux) Subject: IMSP? (Was: Re: Question On Setting Up Pcpine For Multiple Users) Date: 19 Oct 1995 22:56:57 -0500 Message-Id: References: Status: O X-Status: Are there any plans to have (PC)Pine support IMSP? Amos >>>>> "MP" == Mika Pyyhkala writes: MP> Hello All, I am trying to set up Pcpine on a machine that will be MP> used by mutliple individuals at Boston College. MP> Is there a way to prevent Pcpine from asking, as one composes a MP> message, if he/she would like to preserve things in the pinerc file. MP> Naturally, on this shared workstation, I do not want to have one MP> user's info preserved, e.g. personal name, etc. However, Pcpine MP> seems to ask each time. I took a look at setup/config and did not MP> see an option to supress this prompting. MP> Also, we have two student mail servers, cleo.bc.edu and tony.bc.edu. MP> Hence, some students have cleo accounts, while others have tony MP> accounts. So, I greated two batch files: tony.bat executes the MP> command c:\pine\pine -p c:\pine\tonypine.cfg Cleo.bat executes the MP> command c:\pine\pine -p c:\pine\cleopine.cfg Hence, each group of MP> users now has the defaults filled in like domain, inbox, etc. Do you MP> think this is the best approach for handling this? MP> Thanks very much in advance for any info, and for the help I have MP> already received in setting up/using pine. MP> --Mika Pyyhkala From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 23 04:58:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18285; Mon, 23 Oct 95 04:58:42 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12634; Mon, 23 Oct 95 04:48:16 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12628; Mon, 23 Oct 95 04:48:15 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t7LIr-00038DC; Mon, 23 Oct 95 04:44 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Joel Elliott Subject: pine f/dos: readonly when offline Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 10:33:32 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: hello: i use pine for dos to read, sort, print, etc., my mail (*.mtx files stored locally) when i'm not connected to my network (& network drivers not loaded). i can read my local folders just fine, but pine always opens them *readonly* mode, which makes it difficult to manipulate email items the way i'd like. does anyone know of a simple way to force pine to open local folders in read/write mode, even when not connected to a host? i've made lots of changes to the pinerc file with no luck so far. sorry if this is a FAQ. i'd like to know where to get a copy if there's one. thanks, joel ================================== Joel Elliott Department of Religious Studies 101 Saunders Hall, CB #3225 University of North Carolina Chapel Hill, NC 27599 (919) 962-5666 (919) 962-1567 (Fax) (919) 967-8482 (H) EMAIL: elliott@email.unc.edu Web page: http://www.unc.edu/~elliott =================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 23 15:58:02 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16148; Mon, 23 Oct 95 15:58:02 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25169; Mon, 23 Oct 95 15:54:43 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA25163; Mon, 23 Oct 95 15:54:41 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t7VhO-00038DC; Mon, 23 Oct 95 15:50 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mcneil@newedge.ca (John McNeil) Subject: Config "inBox" Date: 22 Oct 1995 00:54:50 GMT Message-Id: <46c4oq$a8f@apollo.newedge.net> Status: O X-Status: I am having trouble getting pine to open my inbox. I have tried to change the config. several times in the setup section where it says remote inbox. When I try to open the inbox it says inbox not available. What should the statement be in this line of the configuration file. John McNeil mcneil@newedge.ca From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 24 03:59:37 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA05774; Tue, 24 Oct 95 03:59:37 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07498; Tue, 24 Oct 95 03:52:11 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA07492; Tue, 24 Oct 95 03:52:10 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t7gu6-00038EC; Tue, 24 Oct 95 03:48 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ninja@idirect.com (Joe Sommer) Subject: Re: MS-Exchange -- Is it worth using - YES? Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: References: Date: 20 Oct 95 05:59:51 GMT Status: O X-Status: In article , llurch@Networking.Stanford.EDU says... > > This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, > while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. > Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. > >--0-568162999-813613263=:28393 >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII >Content-ID: > >In article <45maso$7c9@Owl.nstn.ca>, Terry M >wrote: > >> i like the exchange program . If used with another user >> who has exchange , the attachements and such items are very >> impressive. I can send a sound file to a friend using microsoft >> exchange and the file shows up in his message on the receiving >> end exactly as i sent it. An object within the message is how is >> send the sound file. So when my friend receives the message >> ,he/she sees the icon inside the email message ,and all the have >> to do is double click on the message to play the >> sound. >> >> That is why i like the program . I can send any object embedded >> item with my email to other windows 95 users. > >Wow. That must be really cool. I wonder why nobody else ever thought of >that. Bill Gates must really be a genius. > >I also love it when Exchange assumes that the Sender: line overrides the >From: line, when it puts names in redundant single quotes, when it gets >creative with the quoted/printable format, and when it gives me that cool >WINMAIL.DAT RTF attachment. > Has anyone used the Microsoft Exchange for Faxing etc? I know its great for e-mail etc., but I find its slow to load and you can't put in a signature file without going to the paper clip to attach a return address >-rich > moderator of the win95netbugs list > http://www-dccs.stanford.edu/NetConsult/Win95Net/faq.html >--0-568162999-813613263=:28393 >Content-Type: IMAGE/GIF; NAME="new.gif" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 >Content-ID: >Content-Description: > >R0lGODlhHAALAKEAAAAAAP/WAP///wAAACH5BAEAAAIALAAAAAAcAAsAAAJA >lI+paxHnHorQqQAkjjzDTDWAt43m1jmeiGZgBMaqJLTl+Nj2l+Mv6+rRNkCO >ykWyNJQ1jOllrK0YRmYixMhqCwA7 >--0-568162999-813613263=:28393-- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 24 14:59:51 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01890; Tue, 24 Oct 95 14:59:51 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22394; Tue, 24 Oct 95 14:42:49 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22388; Tue, 24 Oct 95 14:42:47 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t7r3A-00038DC; Tue, 24 Oct 95 14:38 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Eric Tse Subject: Re: Lists & "Reply to All?" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <466lu3$3a4@news.mainelink.net> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 14:58:14 GMT Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII References: <466lu3$3a4@news.mainelink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Status: O X-Status: On 19 Oct 1995 nkjb@mainelink.net wrote: > Could you tell me whether I should "Reply to all Recipients" when I am > simply replying to a message that has come to me via a mailing list? My > hunch is that should not. No, you shouldn't reply to all recipients. Just reply to the address on the "From:" line. :) Eric -= Eric Tse - jyetse@uwaterloo.ca - BL923@torfree.net =- -= http://www.undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca/~jyetse =- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 25 02:13:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA22934; Wed, 25 Oct 95 02:13:25 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09435; Wed, 25 Oct 95 02:04:12 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09429; Wed, 25 Oct 95 02:04:11 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t81gT-00038DC; Wed, 25 Oct 95 01:59 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: vvermeir@octopus.rug.ac.be (Viviane Vermeire) Subject: New mailbox modification time but apparently no changes Date: 12 Oct 1995 12:44:46 GMT Message-Id: <45j2ju$fg6@infoserv.rug.ac.be> Status: O X-Status: one of ower users reports: > Every now and then I receive the following message in Pine: > > [New mailbox modification time but apparently no changes] > what does it mean and in which circumstances can the warning be received ? Please reply by e-mail too as we have delays in the newsfeed. -- viviane vermeire Academisch Rekencentrum Universiteit Gent E-mail: viviane.vermeire@rug.ac.be

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