From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 1 06:21:32 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02335; Tue, 1 Nov 94 06:21:32 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05753; Tue, 1 Nov 94 06:09:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from micronet.wcu.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05747; Tue, 1 Nov 94 06:09:25 -0800 Received: by micronet.wcu.edu (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA16582; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 09:08:32 +0500 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 09:08:31 -0500 (EST) From: Patti Johnson X-Sender: johnson@micronet To: "0000-Admin(0000)" Cc: Louie Valles , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: pine on solaris2.3 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 814 Here's the help I received from David Miller at Washington. It did the trick for me ... with a few minor changes like adding casts: >To build either 3.89 or 3.91 on Solaris 2.3, you need to add "-Dconst=" to >the CFLAGS line in pine/makefile.sol. Then it should compile with only the >minor warnings you mentioned. Bear in mind that I'm using Sun's SPARCcompiler C - that may cause your/my mileage to vary. pj On Mon, 31 Oct 1994, 0000-Admin(0000) wrote: > I second this. I tried to no avail. So if anybody can compile it please > list your magical solution > > On Mon, 31 Oct 1994, Louie Valles wrote: > > > Hello > > > > Hope this is the right listserve?? > > > > Has anyone attempted pine3.91 on solaris 2.3?????? > > > > Have tried unsuccessfully using build sol. any hints/ideas. > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 1 14:33:00 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23591; Tue, 1 Nov 94 14:33:00 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16296; Tue, 1 Nov 94 14:24:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from uu3.psi.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16290; Tue, 1 Nov 94 14:24:42 -0800 Received: from naz.edu by uu3.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA03054 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 94 16:57:28 -0500 Received: from hydra.naz.edu.naz.edu by naz.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1-DNI) id AA19609; Tue, 1 Nov 94 12:02:53 EST Received: by hydra.naz.edu.naz.edu (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA25537; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 12:10:41 -0500 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 12:10:41 -0500 (EST) From: "Michael A. Naud" To: Pine Discussion Group Subject: temp files Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To all: We use Pine 3.87 (until 3.91 is available) on a SparcServer running SunOS 4.1.1 I have noticed that there are a lot of temp files in /usr/tmp/ All of them look like this: -rw------- 1 mrbrady 0 Oct 7 16:08 pinesend002737 Most are of 0 bytes. Are those safe to delete? What about the other messages? Does sendmail process them? The above file was created on Oct 7, and just rebooted the system 4 days ago. I guess they are not automatically removed. Any help would be grand. Michael A. Naud Dept of Academic Computing ---- Michael A. Naud (716) 586-2525 VOICE Nazareth College of Rochester (716) 586-2452 FACSIMILE 4245 East Avenue manaud@naz.edu E-MAIL Rochester, NY 14618-3980 USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 1 16:10:21 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28358; Tue, 1 Nov 94 16:10:21 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18737; Tue, 1 Nov 94 16:03:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from alias-129-179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18723; Tue, 1 Nov 94 16:03:18 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Wed, 2 Nov 94 07:59:59 -0800 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 07:59:59 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: "Michael A. Naud" Cc: Pine Discussion Group Subject: Re: temp files In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 1 Nov 1994, Michael A. Naud wrote: > We use Pine 3.87 (until 3.91 is available) on a SparcServer running SunOS > 4.1.1 I have noticed that there are a lot of temp files in /usr/tmp/ All > of them look like this: > > -rw------- 1 mrbrady 0 Oct 7 16:08 pinesend002737 > > Most are of 0 bytes. Are those safe to delete? What about the other > messages? Does sendmail process them? The above file was created on Oct > 7, and just rebooted the system 4 days ago. I guess they are not > automatically removed. Any help would be grand. > First, pine 3.91 is available from ftp.cac.washington.edu, so you may now upgrade. Second, those tmp files may be removed. As you know pine 3.87 is rather old....there may have been a problem with the files not always being removed. I frankly don't remember. Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 1 17:28:39 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02309; Tue, 1 Nov 94 17:28:39 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20662; Tue, 1 Nov 94 17:19:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from pear.wustl.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20654; Tue, 1 Nov 94 17:19:30 -0800 Received: by pear.wustl.edu (NX5.67d/NeXT-3.0-SLT/GHC) id AA17947; Tue, 1 Nov 94 19:17:35 -0600 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 19:17:34 -0600 (CST) From: A&S NeXT Lab Consultant X-Sender: fruitaid@pear To: Pine Info List Cc: Richard Rochberg Subject: sorting in the sent-mail folder Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, all, Do any of you know if there's a way to sort the sent-mail folder by sender? If not, do any of you Pine Gods know if sorting by sender in the sent-mail folder will be a future implementation? Hussain Chinoy Head Consultant, Arts & Sciences NeXT Lab Cupples I, Room 213 Washington University in St. Louis (314) 935-4353 fruitaid@artsci.wustl.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 2 07:33:18 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24637; Wed, 2 Nov 94 07:33:18 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01197; Wed, 2 Nov 94 07:22:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from micronet.wcu.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01191; Wed, 2 Nov 94 07:22:49 -0800 Received: by micronet.wcu.edu (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA27784; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 10:22:13 +0500 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 10:22:13 +0500 From: johnson@micronet.wcu.edu (Patti Johnson) Message-Id: <9411021522.AA27784@micronet.wcu.edu> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: beginning of messages/parsing Content-Length: 1035 Hello all! I've recently begun using my Sun/Solaris 2.3 - this may be an issue I need to take up elsewhere but thought I'd start here. On my old OS (SCO Xenix), I could process a mail file with one of my own apps - I knew that messages begin with "From ". Knowing this, I could break a mail file down to its individual messages and work with them from there. Then, I moved to my Sun/Solaris 2.3 box and found that that is no longer true. I thought the problem was mine until I received a couple of messages that included several imbedded "From "'s - they were majordomo list logs. Well, mailx could tell that there was a total of 3 messages, where the messages included many other messaages. Pine, on the other hand could not - and parsed them out as several smaller messages. What's the deal on mailbox parsing? How can I tell where one message begins and one ends? Should I cross post this message to another list that discusses Sun or are others of you finding the same "problem"? patti johnson johnson@micronet.wcu.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 2 10:42:17 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04264; Wed, 2 Nov 94 10:42:17 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05786; Wed, 2 Nov 94 10:35:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ultrix.ramapo.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05780; Wed, 2 Nov 94 10:35:35 -0800 Received: by ultrix (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA08596; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 13:34:56 -0500 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 13:34:56 -0500 (EST) From: Spirituality Subject: Getting news through Pine To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII How does one go about recieving newsgroups through Pine? I'd like to access the jvnc.net server - I think. At least, my school USED to have a connection with jvnc, but do I need one to recieve news? I'm only interested in ONE newsgroup, anyway, and I'd like to get it through the mail on a daily basis, if at all possible. Thanks for any info. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Christina Kuhnen |\/| ---- _ "Hand over the chocolate ckuhnen@ultrix.ramapo.edu =(**)=_____ \ and nobody gets hurt." c___ (______/ World peace starts with inner peace. //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 2 18:18:55 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25992; Wed, 2 Nov 94 18:18:55 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17686; Wed, 2 Nov 94 18:12:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from alias-129-179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17674; Wed, 2 Nov 94 18:12:14 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:08:56 -0800 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 10:08:55 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Patti Johnson Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: beginning of messages/parsing In-Reply-To: <9411021522.AA27784@micronet.wcu.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 2 Nov 1994, Patti Johnson wrote: > Hello all! > I've recently begun using my Sun/Solaris 2.3 - this may be an issue I need to > take up elsewhere but thought I'd start here. > > On my old OS (SCO Xenix), I could process a mail file with one of my own > apps - I knew that messages begin with "From ". Knowing this, I could break > a mail file down to its individual messages and work with them from there. > > Then, I moved to my Sun/Solaris 2.3 box and found that that is no longer true. > I thought the problem was mine until I received a couple of messages that > included several imbedded "From "'s - they were majordomo list logs. Well, > mailx could tell that there was a total of 3 messages, where the messages > included many other messaages. Pine, on the other hand could not - and parsed > them out as several smaller messages. > > What's the deal on mailbox parsing? How can I tell where one message begins > and one ends? Should I cross post this message to another list that discusses > Sun or are others of you finding the same "problem"? The problem is Sun's twisted notion that the "Content-Length:" field is a valid field. You have several options: One is to adopt a recent suggestion from Mark Crispin: "Please get a copy of our sendit tool (available on our FTP server), or some similar mail delivery tool that does not depend upon the highly bogus Solaris ``Content-Length'' header to skip over message texts with embedded mbox headers. Use it in place of the mail delivery tool (usually /bin/mail) as called by sendmail." I'm not familiar with SUN's sendmail implementation or the /bin/mail program on their system....but you can also try adding the "E" flag to the local mailer definition in the sendmail.cf file. This flag is designed to Escape lines beginning with "From " in the message with an ">" sign. Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 2 19:34:39 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28019; Wed, 2 Nov 94 19:34:39 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18848; Wed, 2 Nov 94 19:29:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from alias-129-179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18842; Wed, 2 Nov 94 19:29:44 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Thu, 3 Nov 94 11:26:26 -0800 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 11:26:26 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Spirituality Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Getting news through Pine In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 2 Nov 1994, Spirituality wrote: > How does one go about recieving newsgroups through Pine? I'd like to > access the jvnc.net server - I think. At least, my school USED to have a > connection with jvnc, but do I need one to recieve news? > > I'm only interested in ONE newsgroup, anyway, and I'd like to get it > through the mail on a daily basis, if at all possible. Thanks for any info. I think you are slightly confused as the access of newsgroups through pine. With pine you have the ability to access newsgroups through a protocol known as NNTP (Network News Transport Protocol) or (maybe?) IMAP. Since I'm not sure if the IMAP method is supported...I'll only speak to the NNTP way. If jvnc.net supports NNTP...and if...it is configured to allow access to your host you should be able to configure the nntp-server= variable in the Configuration to point to jvnc.net and then go through the process of "subscribing" to the newsgroup that you are interested in reading. The various help menus of pine give a fairly easy to follow directions on how to configure the NNTP server and how to subscribe to a newsgroup. The thing is...you won't be getting the newsgroup as email. In these cases pine acts in a fashion similiar to tin or the other newsreaders. It trys to keep a consistant interface so you don't have to know one set of keystrokes for news and a different set for mail. Since I was not much of a newsreader until pine gave me access...it was a snap for me to figure out the subtle differences keystrokes used in email and the same keystrokes used in newsreading. Others will disagree....to them I simply say it proves the saying, "Can't teach an old dog new tricks.". There are some newsgroups, such as pine, that exist as both a mailing list and newsgroup. They are bi-directionally gatewayed. You may do yourself a favor by asking around to find out if the one that interests you is also a mailing list. Some people prefer getting their news as mailing lists..... Good Luck..... Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 02:35:04 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07607; Thu, 3 Nov 94 02:35:04 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24799; Thu, 3 Nov 94 02:30:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from alias-129-179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24790; Thu, 3 Nov 94 02:30:00 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Thu, 3 Nov 94 18:26:45 -0800 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 18:26:45 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Spirituality Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Getting news through Pine (fwd) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm resending this since we had some problems here that may have resulted in this mail being "lost". Ed ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 11:26:26 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko To: Spirituality Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Getting news through Pine On Wed, 2 Nov 1994, Spirituality wrote: > How does one go about recieving newsgroups through Pine? I'd like to > access the jvnc.net server - I think. At least, my school USED to have a > connection with jvnc, but do I need one to recieve news? > > I'm only interested in ONE newsgroup, anyway, and I'd like to get it > through the mail on a daily basis, if at all possible. Thanks for any info. I think you are slightly confused as the access of newsgroups through pine. With pine you have the ability to access newsgroups through a protocol known as NNTP (Network News Transport Protocol) or (maybe?) IMAP. Since I'm not sure if the IMAP method is supported...I'll only speak to the NNTP way. If jvnc.net supports NNTP...and if...it is configured to allow access to your host you should be able to configure the nntp-server= variable in the Configuration to point to jvnc.net and then go through the process of "subscribing" to the newsgroup that you are interested in reading. The various help menus of pine give a fairly easy to follow directions on how to configure the NNTP server and how to subscribe to a newsgroup. The thing is...you won't be getting the newsgroup as email. In these cases pine acts in a fashion similiar to tin or the other newsreaders. It trys to keep a consistant interface so you don't have to know one set of keystrokes for news and a different set for mail. Since I was not much of a newsreader until pine gave me access...it was a snap for me to figure out the subtle differences keystrokes used in email and the same keystrokes used in newsreading. Others will disagree....to them I simply say it proves the saying, "Can't teach an old dog new tricks.". There are some newsgroups, such as pine, that exist as both a mailing list and newsgroup. They are bi-directionally gatewayed. You may do yourself a favor by asking around to find out if the one that interests you is also a mailing list. Some people prefer getting their news as mailing lists..... Good Luck..... Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 09:47:33 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21102; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:47:33 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00494; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:38:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00488; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:38:57 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r25bh-00006AC; Mon, 31 Oct 94 14:53 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Help on displaying mail headers within pine Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 09:15:31 -0700 Message-Id: References: <1994Oct26.141234.16306@pb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <1994Oct26.141234.16306@pb.com> Select the enable-full-header-cmd in the Setup/Config screen, then use the 'H' command to toggle the HeaderMode. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 26 Oct 1994, John W. Hurme wrote: > Date: Wed, 26 OCT 1994 14:12:34 GMT > From: John W. Hurme > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Help on displaying mail headers within pine > > Hello, > > Is there a way of viewing all the header information of an email message > within pine? Occasionally trying to reply to email does not pick up the > proper from line. > > Thanks, > > John Hurme > > > -- > _____________________________________________________________________________ > John Hurme | Pitney Bowes Inc. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 09:47:39 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21120; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:47:39 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02205; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:38:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02199; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:38:30 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r24cU-00005iC; Mon, 31 Oct 94 13:50 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: h9265363@hkux5.hku.hk (Sun Ferdinand) Subject: * how to type Escape Characters in Pine?? * Message-Id: Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 04:52:08 GMT hi all I'd like to know how to type Escape Characters (e.g. , ...etc) in pine (pico). Thanks. ferd From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 09:48:47 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21172; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:48:47 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00466; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:38:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00460; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:38:32 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r24iR-00005jC; Mon, 31 Oct 94 13:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: markstep@engin.umich.edu (Mark A. Stephan) Subject: A way to group newsgroups in folders? Date: 31 Oct 1994 20:15:51 GMT Message-Id: <393j9n$h92@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Is there a way for one to move newsgroups into a folder (for example, have the comp folder which holds all of the computer help newsgrousp that you subscribe to, one called fun which holds all of the hobby groups, etc...) or are we stuck with the complete list right for now? THANKS! email please! markstep@chgdss10.chgd.med.umich.edu -mark -- Mark Stephan The University of Michigan markstep@engin.umich.edu computer engineering @chgdss10.chgd.med.umich.edu The U of M Solar Car Team From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 09:49:53 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21283; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:49:53 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02219; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:38:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02213; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:38:34 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r24pE-00005kC; Mon, 31 Oct 94 14:03 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu (J. Kelly Cunningham) Subject: Re: PGP & PINE solution Message-Id: <1994Oct31.074327.258@titan.sfasu.edu> Date: 31 Oct 94 07:43:26 CST References: <38s0u3$lbj@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu> In article <38s0u3$lbj@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu>, Michael Lawless wrote: >This was sent to me regarding PGP and Pine. I set it up as per the > directions, >and it work's like a charm. I take no credit for this, just reposting it. > Here's the readme for a csh script I work on from time to time. Send your public key to deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu if you want it... --8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8< (1) Extract and install mkpgp. At your Unix prompt, run the command: uudecode NameOfTheFileYouArePresentlyReading An executable script, mkpgp, will be extracted. Move the the script into a directory on your path. One such directory is usually "bin" in your home directory. Examine the leading names of your path variable (echo $path) if you are unsure. In the unlikely event that you don't have access to a directory for executables, see * below. Run the Unix command: rehash *or* logout and login. Either of these will make your system "aware" of the new command "mkpgp." (2) Configure Pine for mkpgp. Set the alternate editor to mkpgp: # Editor to use in place of Pine's internal composer, Pico editor=mkpgp * Or use an absolute path. E.g., editor=/yourHomeDir/mkpgp Force Pine to put your signature at the bottom: # Use old style forward/reply with new text and signature below included text # Old-style-reply is obsolete, use signature-at-bottom in feature-list old-style-reply=yes [...] # The feature-list that is in effect when you are running Pine [...] # of the features is no-, that is, off. feature-list=old-growth, signature-at-bottom (3) Set the environment variable "PGPPATH" in a login file. Put a line like: setenv PGPPATH ~/.pgp in .cshrc if you use c-shell. (4) Run and configure mkpgp. This part can be done from the command line or Pine. The first time you run mkpgp it will create $PGPPATH/mkpgprc, and $PGPPATH/tmp. You are immediately given a chance to edit $PGPPATH/mkpgprc. Set the variables to your liking. Clearly, the environment variable "PGPPATH" must be defined before you can run mkpgp. mkpgp comes to a screeching halt if it is not set. Default mkpgprc: # # Configuration file for mkpgp. # # Set the real alternate editor. Pine 3.9.x users, see IMPLICITALTEDIT. # set MKPGPEDITOR = none # # Does Pine use the alternate editor implicitly? Unless you change # MKPGPEDITOR to something other than "none" when IMPLICITALTEDIT = yes, # mkpgp will try to use "pico -z -t". I can only hope that you have it... # set IMPLICITALTEDIT = no # (no/yes) # # When IMPLICITALTEDIT = yes and Pine is configured to include-header-in-reply, # mkpgp can try to pick the right keyid (e-mail address) from the "From:" line. # Whatever it finds is presented as the default recipient id instead of "none". # Entering other keys will replace the default. Entering + will let you add to # the default. Entering - will delete the default so that the message is not # encrypted. See "Replacement lists" below. # set AUTORECRYPT = no # (no/yes) # # Ask to encrypt the message. yes = ask with a default of yes, no = ask # with a default of no, quiet = don't ask, just run. # set ASKTORUN = quiet # (quiet/no/yes) # # Show pubring before asking for encryption keys. # set SHOWPUBRING = yes # (yes/no) # # Secret keyring shown by mkpgp. # set MKPGPSECRING = $PGPPATH/secring.pgp # # Show secring before signing. # set SHOWSECRING = yes # (yes/no) # # Signature file shared by mkpgp & pine. # set SIGFILE = ~/.signature # # Number of seconds to pause. # set PAUSE = 5 # # Determine if sender can read encrypted messages. # set ENCRYPTTOSELF = on # (on/off) # # Circumvent version 2.6.[1] legal kluge. When set to yes, mkpgp uses the pgp2.6 # options: "+ce=0 +le" to create cyphertext readable by earlier versions. When # set to no, it is ignored by all versions of pgp. # set LEGALKLUGE = no # # Warn sender about MIME attachments and signed cleartext. Since mkpgp can # only encrypt the message text, MIME attachments aren't encrypted. mkpgp # can include attachments in the message text for encryption. # set WARNUSER = yes # (yes/no) # # Shell to start when looking at attachments. # set MKPGPSHELL = /bin/csh # # Your "make path" command. NeXT: mkdirs. HP, SCO, DG & Sun: "mkdir -p". # set MKDIRS = /bin/mkdirs # # Quote characters used by pine must be stripped before decryption, and # replaced afterward. There seems to be some variation, so this may need # some tuning. # set QUOTECHAR = "> " # # Replacement lists. If IMPLICITALTEDIT = yes and AUTORECRYPT = yes, you # can automatically replace a key (e-mail address) with other keys. # Below is an example that replaces deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu # with deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu and kelly@home. Be sure to place such lists # behind a "#" with the first word against the "#". Do not include the < >. # #deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu kelly@home # (If you use Pine v3.9.x, [X] enable-alternate-editor-implicitly [X] include-header-in-reply [X] include-text-in-reply with set IMPLICITALTEDIT = yes set ASKTORUN = no set AUTORECRYPT = yes in mkpgprc is pretty slick. mkpgp runs between Pine and your editor to decrypt the message. On exiting the editor, mkpgp asks to run again (with "no" as the default) to re-encrypt the message. It's almost seamless.) (4) Usage. My first axiom: I detest pecking on keyboards... ========== Encryption ========== If you use the defaults: Compose a message then invoke the alternate editor. mkpgp will ask: Include encrypted attachment(s)? [n] At every prompt, simply hit the key if you want what's in []. (This can be important; don't give mkpgp needless input. Remember my first axiom.) Enter y and hit if you want to include attachments in the message text (thereby encrypting them). A primitive browser will let you navigate the file system to attach files and dirs. You select attachments by number. Hit on a blank line to move up one directory. Selecting a single directory is ambiguous (since you are navigating the directories with the same browser), so you are further prompted to "Enter or Attach? [e]" it. Hit to enter, enter "a" and hit to attach it. If a directory is a member of a list, mkpgp attaches it is. After collecting all the attachments, enter f and hit . $PGPPATH/tmp/mkpgpAttach is listed and you are a given a chance change it. If you elect to do so, mkpgp will cd to $PGPPATH/tmp/mkpgpAttach and start a shell. Do what you will, and use "exit" or d to exit and return to mkpgp. mkpgp copies attachments into $PGPPATH/tmp/mkpgpAttach. When you exit the browser, $PGPPATH/tmp/mkpgpAttach is tar'ed, compress, uuencoded and appended to the message text as ascii. $PGPPATH/tmp/mkpgpAttach is then removed (*not* wiped and deleted). Next, pgp will show a public key ring and mkpgp will ask: Enter recipient key id(s) [none]. List the recipient key id(s) separated by blanks, or hit if you don't want to encrypt the message. Next, pgp will show $PGPPATH/secring.pgp secret key ring and mkpgp will ask: Sign the message with which secret key? [n] y selects the key defined by MyName in $PGPPATH/config.txt. You can select an alternate by giving a keyid (If you enter n, mkpgp will look for a key with n in it. Bad news... Remember my first axiom. Also, beware of the ENCRYPTTOSELF option if you select an alternate key.) If you elect to sign the message, pgp will request a pass phrase. pgp goes to work on the message. There is a 5 second delay when pgp is finished so you can see what happened. After that you should be looking at the message in the Pine window. Send it. If ENCRYPTTOSELF=on, you can decrypt the copy of the message in sent-mail. If ENCRYPTTOSELF=off and you didn't include yourself as a recipient, you might as well delete it. The actual pgp command options used by mkpgp are: pgp -setw $LEGALKLUGE +encrypttoself=$ENCRYPTTOSELF +armor=on +keepbinary=off\ +armorlines=0 +tmp=$PGPPATH/tmp $1 $keys $sign pgp -satw $LEGALKLUGE +clearsig=on +keepbinary=off +tmp=$PGPPATH/tmp $1 $sign pgp -etw $LEGALKLUGE +pubring=$MKPGPPUBRING +encrypttoself=$ENCRYPTTOSELF\ +armor=on +keepbinary=off +armorlines=0 +tmp=$PGPPATH/tmp $1 $keys $1 is /tmp/pico.xxxx, $keys is the list of keys, $sign is the key id used to sign the message. If LEGALKLUGE = yes in $PGPPATH/mkpgprc then LEGALKLUGE is reset to "+ce=0 +le" and mkpgp exploits a bug in pgp2.6[.1] that creates cyphertext readable by 2.3a. If LEGALKLUGE = no in $PGPPATH/mkpgprc, then LEGALKLUGE is reset to " " (thus ignored). There are several other calls to pgp to wipe and delete temporary files. ========== Decryption ========== The only way to decrypt using mkpgp is in a reply or forward since that is your only access to the alternate editor. If mkpgp finds a line beginning with one of the the strings: -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- > -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- > -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- it will strip the leading "> " and run the command: pgp +force +interactive=on +keepbinary=off attempting to mimic the forward/reply behavior of Pine. If, along the way, a line beginning with: begin 600 mkpgpAttach.tar.Z is found in the message text, mkpgp will list the attachments and ask to unpack them. You you choose to do so, the mkpgpAttach directory is moved into $PGPPATH (renaming if needed). The mkpgpAttach.tar.Z file is wiped & deleted. You are given a chance to examine/delete the attachments (exit as before). -- kc From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 09:51:21 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21366; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:51:21 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02235; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:39:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02229; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:39:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r25bX-000069C; Mon, 31 Oct 94 14:53 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Pine 3.91 how can I lock the Config file... Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 09:14:01 -0700 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: If you just want to prevent users from changing their configuration, use the /usr/local/lib/pine.conf.fixed file... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 26 Oct 1994, Nabil Zary dsg wrote: > Date: Wed, 26 OCT 1994 09:29:11 GMT > From: Nabil Zary dsg > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Pine 3.91 how can I lock the Config file... > > Thanks! > > MvH Nabil Zary > > -- > (o o) > +------------------------------oOO--(_)--OOo----------------------------+ > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 09:52:37 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21439; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:52:37 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00502; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:39:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00496; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:39:06 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r25DD-00005pC; Mon, 31 Oct 94 14:28 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cb92dge@brunel.ac.uk (Dominic G.E. Earl) Subject: Redirecting Message-Id: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 08:27:32 GMT Can anyone please help me. My girlfriend is a systems administrator for a financial firm, they currently have Windows and MSMail. They are thinking about installing some redirection software onto the network to deal with rerouting mail for holidays and such. Can anyone give me tales of real life use of different packages that they have used... or grapevine news about what you have heard... Please mail me back directly : cb92dge@brunel.ac.uk Thanks a lot in advance for you help. Dom P.S. They have seen WinRules and C2C - any info about these two would be greatly appreciated. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 09:55:35 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21526; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:55:35 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00687; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:45:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00681; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:45:42 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r28fQ-00006SC; Mon, 31 Oct 94 18:09 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: inbox remote mail server Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 13:28:04 -0800 Message-Id: References: <3925bd$3vk@werple.apana.org.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3925bd$3vk@werple.apana.org.au> inbox-path={werple.apana.org.au} |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 31 Oct 1994, Nick Allan wrote: > Date: 31 OCT 1994 18:11:41 +1100 > From: Nick Allan > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: inbox remote mail server > > Hello everyone > > I connect to the site that holds my email via a slip connection, this > connection is dialup. > I would like pine on my home system to use the inbox on the mail system. > I know you are supposed to use the in-box-path in your .pinerc file but > can someone tell me what the format of this is supposed to look like > eg the host is werple.apana.org.au and my mail file on this host is > /var/mail/guardian > > Thanks for any assistance. > > > -- > Regards Nick > > Guardian@werple.apana.org.au > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 09:56:35 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21585; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:56:35 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00703; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:45:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00697; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:45:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r2afw-00008AC; Wed, 2 Nov 94 00:04 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: boyerj@coopext.cahe.wsu.edu (Jim Boyer) Subject: Re: How to force pine-3.91 to see that new mail has arrived? Message-Id: References: Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 21:39:08 GMT I use Ctrl-L to refresh the index immediatedly. -- Jim In , steveo@world.std.com (Steven W Orr) writes: >I have a biff that shows that new mail has arrived, but while I'm in >pine, pine doesn't know it cause 2.5 minutes have not yet elapsed. >Result is that I end up having to get out and back into pine to force >the new mail to be seen. Any keystroke to make it happen on the fly? > >Many thanks in advance. Please email. I'll summarize. >-- >----------Time flies like the wind. Fruit flies like a banana.---------------- >--------Stranger things have happened but none stranger than this.------------- >Steven W. Orr steveo@world.std.com >---------------"Listen to me! We are all individuals."------------------------- Jim Boyer e-mail: boyerj@coopext.cahe.wsu.edu Washington State University From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 09:56:37 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21591; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:56:37 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00777; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:48:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00771; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:48:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r2c0F-00008SC; Wed, 2 Nov 94 01:29 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sadistic@yar.cs.wisc.edu (Izumi Sakai) Subject: How to post news through pine or elm? Date: 2 Nov 1994 05:46:12 GMT Message-Id: <397934$pjg@spool.cs.wisc.edu> Hello all netters, Just wanna know how to post news through elm and pine? I can only read news through pine, but not elm, and can't post news through both programs. 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Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 13:15:07 -0800 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Use it. You will need to mark it executable (chmod +x) and will probably want to rename it, but other than that it should be ready to run... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Sat, 29 Oct 1994, David Helder wrote: > Date: Sat, 29 OCT 1994 10:14:00 > From: David Helder > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: pine-bin files, what do I do with them? > > > I've downloaded pine 3.91 for linux. When I untar it, I get a 2 meg file > called pine-bin.[something]. What do I do with this file? There's probably a > simple, obvious solution, but I don't see it. > > -David > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > David Helder - University of Michigan > dhelder@umich.edu > Computers are the Evil Minions of Satan! viva la Solo! > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 09:57:19 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21689; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:57:19 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00675; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:45:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00667; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:45:36 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r27JM-00006OC; Mon, 31 Oct 94 16:42 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: eof and bof in pico Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 11:27:58 -0700 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: In Pine 3.91/Pico 2.5, use ^W^V and ^W^Y, respectively. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 26 Oct 1994, Steve Thornberry wrote: > Date: Wed, 26 OCT 1994 16:29:08 GMT > From: Steve Thornberry > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: eof and bof in pico > > Hi, > > How do I do end-of-file and beginning-of-file in pico without > having to type cntrl-v or cntrl-y a thousand times? I tried cntrl-< and > cntrl-> but to no avail.. > > Steve > > PS. please e-mail any respone to smthor01@msuacad.morehead-st.edu > as it's a real pain for me to read news. :( > > Thanks for any help > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 09:57:25 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21710; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:57:25 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00785; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:48:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00779; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:48:44 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r2cCz-00008UC; Wed, 2 Nov 94 01:42 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: richh@romulus.ncsc.mil (Richard L. Hamilton) Subject: Pine running wild when user's session disconnected Date: 2 Nov 1994 00:56:46 -0500 Message-Id: <3979mu$ha7@romulus.ncsc.mil> I've noticed pine processes associated with users whose sessions ended with either a non-zero return code or a hangup signal running wild, i.e. apparently looping to no particular end, and eating CPU time (some hours after the login session had been terminated). I've got a wild guess that where it is looping is line 392 of pine3.91/pine/ttyin.c, i.e.: if(errno == EINTR) return(NO_OP_COMMAND); Now, since errno is *not* cleared by successful calls, there is currently no way to know whether this test is being satisfied as a consequence of the read() call on line 381, that is: res = read(STDIN_FD, &c, 1); If my wild guess is right, adding: errno = 0; *before* the read() call in line 381 should take care of it. Now for the bottom line: 1. has anyone had similar problems? 2. any comments on the possible explanation/fix? FYI, this is happening on a system running DG/UX ("./build d-g"). And the printer problems are happening there too, not that I think that relates to the problem I'm bringing up. -- I compute, therefore I am. My opinions are strictly by own, and should not be construed to represent anyone else. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 09:57:44 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21739; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:57:44 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02427; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:45:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02419; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:45:53 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r2Aow-00006XC; Mon, 31 Oct 94 20:27 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: Saving Outgoing Mail Date: 31 Oct 1994 18:10:54 GMT Message-Id: <393bve$bto@news.halcyon.com> References: <38ram5$i6n@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> updmst@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Doug McIntyre) writes: >Does any one have a "slicker" way to save sent mail into differing folders? If you have Pine 3.90 or higher you can set default-compose-hdrs to contain Fcc. It will default to being filled in with saved-messages but then you can edit it when you want to ``folder carbon copy'' a different folder. Here's what I have in my .pinerc: # Only show these headers (by default) when composing messages default-composer-hdrs=To, Cc, Subject, Fcc Hope this helps, Nancy -- /\_/\ ( o.o ) Nancy McGough | http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ > ^ < Infinite Ink | ftp://ftp.ii.com/pub/ii From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 09:57:56 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21760; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:57:56 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00647; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:45:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00641; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:45:23 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r26hB-00006KC; Mon, 31 Oct 94 16:03 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Upgrading to 3.9x question. Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 13:06:51 -0800 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Your novice users should see very little difference and there should not be any problem with old mail. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 28 Oct 1994, 0000-Admin(0000) wrote: > Date: Fri, 28 OCT 1994 22:42:39 GMT > From: 0000-Admin(0000) > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Upgrading to 3.9x question. > > What will happen to my users if I upgrade from Pine 3.89 to 3.92? Will > they lose their old mail, will they need to do anything? > > Thanks for any info. > > Greg padden > King County Library System > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 09:58:13 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21794; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:58:13 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02389; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:45:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02383; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:45:36 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r27J5-00006NC; Mon, 31 Oct 94 16:42 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: addressbooks via IMAP Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 11:25:51 -0700 Message-Id: References: <38lmeq$cbv@news.utdallas.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <38lmeq$cbv@news.utdallas.edu> If you are using an older IMAPd, it will not recognize an addressbook file as a folder. The IMAPd from the Pine 3.91 distribution should open it as a read-only pseudo-folder. Pine cannot make use of a remote addressbook as an addressbook unless you mount it via NFS or some such. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 26 Oct 1994, Billy Barron wrote: > Date: 26 OCT 1994 13:43:54 GMT > From: Billy Barron > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: addressbooks via IMAP > > On PINE 3.9X, I put my global addressbooks in the directory > /var/spool/mail/pinestuff (/var/spool/mail obviously being the > location of the INBOX) for UNIX using NFS. Our Novell guy tried > to access them via IMAP and claims he got some type of permission > denied message. I know the files are readable to everyone as all > UNIX users can access it. > > Is there something in the IMAP server that blocks access to it? Or > does anybody have any other ideas? > > > -- > Billy Barron, Network Services Manager, Univ of Texas at Dallas > billy@utdallas.edu > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 09:59:06 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21854; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:59:06 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02367; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:45:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02361; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:45:21 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r26dL-00006FC; Mon, 31 Oct 94 15:59 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: odd characters in mail Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 13:03:44 -0800 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: It sounds like you have a keyboard mapping problem in your terminal emulator. The shift-space is getting mapped to an 8-bit value (SP with 8th bit set). this is triggering Quoted-Printable encoding, which is what your recipients with non-MIME aware mail readers are seeing. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 28 Oct 1994, Ken Hancock wrote: > Date: Fri, 28 OCT 1994 18:32:31 GMT > From: Ken Hancock > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: odd characters in mail > > > I recently switched to using pine (from elm) and have run into a couple > oddities, most likely with pico. [Pine release 3.90] > > 1) shift-space. I have a tendency to do shift-spaces following capital I's. > pico inserts =A0. Any way to get rid of this? > 2) ?? People receiving my mail (not using pine) see a =20 imbedded in the > text. I think this is somehow related to word wrapping. > > I'm using eXodus on a Mac and running on a HP-735 running HPUX 9.0. > > Any suggestions? > > Ken > -- > Ken Hancock | INTERNET: kenh@vgi.com > Isle Systems | Compuserve: >INTERNET: kenh@vgi.com > Macintosh Consulting | AOL: KHancock > | Disclaimer: My opinions are mine, > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 09:59:35 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21895; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:59:35 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00695; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:45:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00689; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:45:47 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r29aM-00006TC; Mon, 31 Oct 94 19:08 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: matt@exeter.sewanee.edu (Matt Laney) Subject: Re: .signature at top, not bottom Date: 31 Oct 1994 03:52:00 GMT Message-Id: <391pl0$1rs@cherub.sewanee.edu> References: <38r7ae$ifr@falcon.ccs.uwo.ca> Matthew Osborne (mo@pineapple.apmaths.uwo.ca) rambled: : can't chown it back etc.. Anyways, how can I get my .signature to be : placed automagically at the BOTTOM of the message instead of the top? There's an option for that in .pinerc (on my copy, at least). Add 'signature-at-bottom' to your 'feature-list'. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 09:59:53 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21932; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:59:53 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00659; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:45:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00653; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:45:32 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r27CN-00006MC; Mon, 31 Oct 94 16:35 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Folder directories Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 11:21:10 -0700 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Yes, paths are relative to the user's home directory. You can specify absolute paths though... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 25 Oct 1994, Bruce Sachetti wrote: > Date: Tue, 25 OCT 1994 08:15:20 GMT > From: Bruce Sachetti > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Folder directories > > When specifying folder-collections, among other things in my pine.conf, Pine > seems to assume the path is relative to a user's home directory. I am trying > to setup mail in a common area outside a user's home directory. > > This is on AIX 3.2.x and Pine 3.89. Any help would be appreciated. > > Bruce Sachetti > bsachett@alert.com > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 09:59:56 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21938; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:59:56 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02407; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:45:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02401; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:45:45 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r28Ln-00006QC; Mon, 31 Oct 94 17:49 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: skinnyt@u.washington.edu (Tos Fackenthall) Subject: combine e-mail messages before exporting??? Date: 31 Oct 1994 21:56:23 GMT Message-Id: <393p67$1ld@nntp1.u.washington.edu> i was wondering if there is a way to combine lots of small e-mail messages into one large one, so if i wanted to print them out, i would only have to make one text file and then i could print it with ms word. i'm pretty new to this whole pine/e-mail/nn/internet thing...can anyone help me out??? thanks. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 09:59:56 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21942; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:59:56 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00749; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:48:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00743; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:48:06 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r2BeD-00006aC; Mon, 31 Oct 94 21:20 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Global Address Books Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 13:09:53 -0800 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: The command pine -create_lu addressbook will generate an addressbook.lu file and may be invoked from a script... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Sat, 29 Oct 1994, Michael Nelson wrote: > Date: Sat, 29 OCT 1994 04:17:12 GMT > From: Michael Nelson > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Global Address Books > > What @*#$!! permissions should I set on the global address book and > associated lookup index file? I am using Pine 3.90 (will upgrade when I get > some free time). > > I have a program that updates the global addressbook every night based on > the user list... is there anyway I can update this externally (i.e. without > someone going into Pine)? Right now it complains about not being able to > update the index file... > > HELP! > > -- Mike > > -- > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > Michael Nelson | mikenel@netcom.com > Rockville, Maryland | mikenel@newport.org > PGP Public Key: Finger or ftp.netcom.com:/pub/mikenel/pubkey.asc > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 10:00:13 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22004; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:00:13 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02397; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:45:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02391; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:45:39 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r27Tp-00006PC; Mon, 31 Oct 94 16:53 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rdenham@tiger1.ocs.lsu.edu (Ronald Evans Denham) Subject: FAQ? Date: 26 Oct 1994 14:49:45 -0500 Message-Id: <38mbsp$10hj@tiger3.ocs.lsu.edu> I'm interested in setting up PC Pine clients with a VMS Mail Server. I don't have a grip on how all of the parts function together to provide mail and security. I'm planning on using MS Windows 3.1 clients with the Trumpet IP stack running also with DECNet. Where can I get a FAQ that would show me all the parts I'll need and how they operate together. Furthermore, who out there has sucessfully set up and operates PC Pine clients from a VMS mail server? Tips/Tricks/Problems? Thanks for your help. Ron Denham rdenham@tiger.lsu.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 10:00:42 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22055; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:00:42 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02415; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:45:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02409; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:45:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r29fz-00006UC; Mon, 31 Oct 94 19:14 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ben@chinook.uoregon.edu (Ben Marcotte) Subject: Error: Cross-Device Link? (3.89) Date: 31 Oct 1994 18:38:01 GMT Message-Id: <393di9$68f@pith.uoregon.edu> Does anyone know why Pine 3.89 complains about a cross device link? We're using Solaris 2.1 (we're obsolete in everything!). Will updating to 3.90 or 3.91 solve our problem. I can't see why a happily mounted file system would pose any problems for Pine. Thanks, Ben Marcotte ============================================================================== Ben Marcotte ben@chinook.uoregon.edu (503) 346-4592 ============================================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 10:00:51 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22084; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:00:51 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02533; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:50:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02527; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:50:54 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r2CSh-00006eC; Mon, 31 Oct 94 22:12 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: updmst@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Doug McIntyre) Subject: Saving Outgoing Mail Date: 28 Oct 1994 16:59:49 GMT Message-Id: <38ram5$i6n@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> As a Help Desk consultant, I've recieved the following message > My other message is in reference to the fact that after sending a message > to someone that I want to save my copy in a specific folder, right now, I > have to go into the sent mail folder, select the message and then save > it to the desired folder. This is, in my opinion an unnecessary hastle. Does any one have a "slicker" way to save sent mail into differing folders? Doug McIntyre Doug_McIntyre@unc.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 10:02:31 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22163; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:02:31 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00846; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:51:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00840; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:51:08 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r2D5n-00006fC; Mon, 31 Oct 94 22:53 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mowrer@alphaii.alphamed.com () Subject: SCO Message-Id: Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 21:19:11 GMT Can anyone point me to an ftp site that has pine for SCO.. Thanks -- _/_/_/_/_/ Jim Mowrer _/ _/ _/_/ _/_/ mowrer@alphamed.com _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ ...There's no place like $HOME _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 10:04:21 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22266; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:04:21 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02479; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:48:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02473; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:48:41 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r2c4d-00008TC; Wed, 2 Nov 94 01:33 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mdiehn@warren-wilson.edu (Michael J. Diehn (mike)) Subject: Re: Anyone build pine3.91 for UnixWare yet? Date: 2 Nov 1994 01:06:00 GMT Message-Id: <396olo$lma@inxs.ncren.net> References: <396l8r$kv8@inxs.ncren.net> Following up on my own post with more info... Michael J. Diehn (mike) (mdiehn@warren-wilson.edu) wrote: : I'm running UnixWare 1.1.2. Has anyone built pine3.91 from source : on a UnixWare box yet? I tried to build pine using the command "build sv4" The pico, imapd and mtest parts were built, but the make died during the pine build with the following error message. cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"SV4\" -c addrbook.c "/usr/include/stdlib.h", line 71: identifier redeclared: system "/usr/include/unistd.h", line 169: identifier redeclared: rename "addrbook.c", line 7465: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast *** Error code 1 (bu21) make: fatal error. Does anyone know how to modify the sv4 makefile for use with unixware? Again, : Thanks folks, : Michael Diehn : mdiehn@warren-wilson.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 10:05:56 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22318; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:05:56 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02564; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:51:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02558; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:51:13 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r2dgP-00008hC; Wed, 2 Nov 94 03:16 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: peterb@telerate.com (Peter L. Berghold) Subject: Re: Help: How to send mails to Multi-users ? Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 23:25:34 GMT Message-Id: References: <38uthm$8tp@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> In article <38uthm$8tp@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> xwast3+@pitt.edu (Xiyou Wang) writes: >From: xwast3+@pitt.edu (Xiyou Wang) >Subject: Help: How to send mails to Multi-users ? >Date: 30 Oct 1994 01:40:06 GMT >Hi, there: >I just found this group today. I have been figuring how to sent mails to my >whole class, I already have the users in my class stored in a file. Do I need >to inlude the full e-mail addresses also? >Thanks for any help and comments. In your address book create an alias with all the email addresses for your class. Once you have done that, you can compose messages from the address book to the appropriate alias. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 10:06:10 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22339; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:06:10 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00876; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:52:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00860; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:52:17 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r2EFV-00006iC; Tue, 1 Nov 94 00:07 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: setting up PC-PINE Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 09:52:03 -0700 Message-Id: References: <389a2d$con@pangea.ohionet.org> <38r3ng$99u@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <38r3ng$99u@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> Just telnet to port 143 on the server... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 28 Oct 1994, Rod B. Nussbaumer wrote: > Date: 28 OCT 1994 15:01:04 GMT > From: Rod B. Nussbaumer > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Re: setting up PC-PINE > > Don Prezioso (dprez@sol.ohionet.org) wrote: > >Joseph J. Greenberg (jjg@humansyn.com) wrote: > >: I am a neophyte pine user, at least on pc. I am trying to set up pc-pine to be > >: used under trumpet winsock over a slip dial up connection. Can anybody explain > > >server, you should make sure that the IMAP server is running, or you > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > I am trying to get it running. How can I tell if it is? Since > it is invoked on demand by inetd, it doesn't show up as a > process listed by 'ps -x'. Right?. > Please expand on this subject. > > Thanks. > --- Rod. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Rod Nussbaumer, Programmer/Technologist Internet: rodn@sundae.triumf.ca > TRIUMF --- University of British Columbia, Phone: (604)222-7449 > Vancouver, BC, Canada. FAX: (604)222-8325 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 10:06:30 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22368; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:06:30 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02606; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:52:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02600; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:52:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r2EmG-00006nC; Tue, 1 Nov 94 00:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lachlan@dmp.csiro.au (Lachlan Cranswick) Subject: Pine and UUENCODED files to Marry? Message-Id: <1994Oct31.101229.24970@dmp.csiro.au> Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 10:12:29 GMT Is there any chance or way UUENCODED files can be extracted transparently in PINE? Pine is great for transparently extracting MIME files for novice to casual UNIX users. Though - when a person emails a UUENCODED file (as that is all their email software supports) to a PINE user on our site - mayhem breaks out. Usually resulting in a tearful phone call to who ever is on the console. (I don't remember seeing this on the FAQ files?) Thanks in advance, Lachlan. -- Lachlan Cranswick - CSIRO _--_|\ lachlan@dmp.CSIRO.AU Division of Mineral Products / \ tel +61 3 647 0367 339 Williamstown Rd, \_.--._/ fax +61 3 646 3223 Port Melbourne, Australia, 3207 v From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 10:07:07 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22451; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:07:07 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01065; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:00:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01059; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:00:21 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r2hV6-000096C; Wed, 2 Nov 94 07:21 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lc@oasis.icl.co.uk (Liam Crilly) Subject: Re: How to post news through pine or elm? Message-Id: References: <397934$pjg@spool.cs.wisc.edu> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 09:21:38 GMT Izumi Sakai wrote: »Hello all netters, »Just wanna know how to post news through elm and pine? I can only read news »through pine, but not elm, and can't post news through both programs. »Thanx for any help. [hideously long sig removed] Pine became a full newsreader including posting ability with v3.90. Elm has never had any newsreading capabilities. Liam. -- 8"88"""8P"48"V"8 Liam Crilly 8"88"""8P"48"V"8 8 "88 88 " 8 8 lc@oasis.icl.co.uk 8 "88 88 " 8 8 8oo8ooo8o8o8oYo8 L.Crilly@herts.ac.uk 8oo8ooo8o8o8oYo8 ++ Performance Benchmarking Unit, Client-Server Systems, ICL, Bracknell. ++ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 10:07:24 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22478; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:07:24 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02833; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:00:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02827; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:00:43 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r2iAk-00009CC; Wed, 2 Nov 94 08:04 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Barry Landy Subject: Re: combine e-mail messages before exporting??? Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 11:05:40 +0000 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <393p67$1ld@nntp1.u.washington.edu> On 31 Oct 1994, Tos Fackenthall wrote: > i was wondering if there is a way to combine lots of small e-mail > messages into one large one, so if i wanted to print them out, i would > only have to make one text file and then i could print it with ms word. > i'm pretty new to this whole pine/e-mail/nn/internet thing...can anyone > help me out??? thanks. > Just select them all with the select operator (;) and then go A E ======================================================================= Barry Landy, Head of Systems and Development, University of Cambridge Computing Service Barry.Landy@ucs.cam.ac.uk 0-1223-334713 +44-1223-334713 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 10:08:16 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22507; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:08:16 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02742; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:58:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02736; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:58:17 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r2gED-000091C; Wed, 2 Nov 94 05:59 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mchang@teal.ece.jhu.edu (Mark L. Chang) Subject: IMAP and rsh Date: 1 Nov 1994 19:50:56 -0500 Message-Id: <396npg$2g0@teal.ece.jhu.edu> Currently, the machine that I want to access via the IMAPd daemon does not allow rsh access (rlogin type) because the sysadmin sees it as a security hole too big to justify. Any way around this? Also... I've got my own machine set up, but I didn't configure IMAPd for it when installing pine... is there an easy way to do this and does the archive contain sample imapd.conf files? Thanks. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark L. Chang | http://teal.ece.jhu.edu/~mchang | mchang@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 10:08:22 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22530; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:08:22 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00980; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:58:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00974; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:58:05 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r2fnw-00008zC; Wed, 2 Nov 94 05:32 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gedeon@server.melbpc.org.au (Gedeon Herschberg) Subject: deleting Date: 2 Nov 1994 08:32:03 GMT Message-Id: <397iq3$ls3@eplet.apana.org.au> Is there a way in pine to delete a number of messages in one line commands or something similar to the ^d command of elm? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 10:08:30 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22581; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:08:30 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02375; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:45:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02369; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:45:28 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r26N4-00006EC; Mon, 31 Oct 94 15:42 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mprokop@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (Manfred Prokop) Subject: International character sets on Pine Date: 31 Oct 1994 20:01:49 GMT Message-Id: <393ifd$qbt@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> I just got onto this list. I have a couple of questions: I notice that Pine 2.91 is being used; we are still on 2.89. Is there a significant advantage in upgrading? The real question: I would like to be able to type and send and receive the accented German letters (two dots over a "o", "u", "a" and their upper-case equivalents, plus the beta-like s-sound. In NuPOP I can include an ASCII file which contains these characters, but I can't type them in either NuPOP or Pine. Changing to the DEC Multinational set did not help either. Any suggestions? Also: Have the screen editing facilities of Pine been improved? ^D and ^L is a pain! Thanks, Manfred Prokop U of Alberta mprokop@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 10:08:36 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22596; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:08:36 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00992; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:58:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00984; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:58:09 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r2fYA-00008lC; Wed, 2 Nov 94 05:16 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: HELP bogus date with imap from VMS server Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 16:26:09 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: This sounds like a problem with your VMS IMAP server. Please contact the vendor of that server and report the problem. Most likely, the error is in the returned ``INTERNALDATE''. -- Mark -- On Tue, 1 Nov 1994, Nick Pikarsky wrote: > > Help, > Have multiple vms servers using pine 3.89 with imapd, tcp/ip > transport via multinet (tgv). Get reported error of bogus data when opening > remote folder with both pc-pine 3.91 and unix (ultrix v4.2) pine 3.91. > Date is in the form 0-???-1969, is there any work around or fix > for this... > > Thanks in advance.. > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Nick Pikarsky > pikarsky@maniac.med.miami.edu > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 10:13:09 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22849; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:13:09 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02958; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:04:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02952; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:04:18 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r2mXv-00009PC; Wed, 2 Nov 94 12:44 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ces@christa.unh.edu (Christan E Schoenfeld) Subject: How to send mail to Prodigy users??? Date: 2 Nov 1994 12:11:33 GMT Message-Id: <397vll$khe@mozz.unh.edu> How do Prodigy and Internet users address each other in E-Mail? Any help would eb appreciated. -Chris -- __________________________________________________________________________ |Chris E. Schoenfeld | University of New Hampshire | |Communications / PoliSci Major | Look to the Cookie! | |_________________________________|________________________________________| From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 10:13:23 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22870; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:13:23 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03004; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:05:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02998; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:05:07 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r2oG9-00009UC; Wed, 2 Nov 94 14:34 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: navarro@vents.uji.es (Enrique Navarro Sanchis) Subject: PINE and MIME Date: 2 Nov 1994 13:54:55 GMT Message-Id: <3985nf$ba8@oreig.uji.es> I have installed on our HP9000 s730 the pine3.90 package to read mail. It have the ability to Attach documents. Please, how can I view a document in Postcript from inside pine ? The .pinerc file has an option to display images and I can display them. I do not have seen any option to view (via ghostview for instance) Postcript (and other type of) files. Please, can you mail me the responses ? I do not use read this group. I'll summarize. Thanks in advance. -- Enric Navarro Sanchis e-mail:navarro@si.uji.es Analista de Sistemas Tfn: 964-345875 ext. 4119 Centre Processament de Dades | DO NOT BUY IVORY | Universitat Jaume I | Ivory belongs only | Castello, Spain | to Elephants. | From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 10:16:28 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23030; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:16:28 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01296; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:06:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01288; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:06:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r2TZe-00007hC; Tue, 1 Nov 94 16:29 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: robgonz@netcom.com (Rob Gonzalez) Subject: Pine-Wyse60 Help Message-Id: Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 16:03:10 GMT I have wyse 60 hooked to a stallion i/o serail conneciotion board on my sco unix system. I am having some problems with pine, one wyse it sends cntl e's and another wyse60 i go into pine and can do anything, oes anyone know how to configure my wyse 60 properly for pine ? thanks robgonz@netcom.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 10:16:51 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23063; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:16:51 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01258; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:06:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01252; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:06:05 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r2PRd-00007RC; Tue, 1 Nov 94 12:04 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ph10@cus.cam.ac.uk (Philip Hazel) Subject: Re: pine on solaris2.3 Date: 1 Nov 1994 09:09:50 GMT Message-Id: <3950ku$t8p@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> References: <31OCT94.12739328.0050.MUSIC@UTEP> In article <31OCT94.12739328.0050.MUSIC@UTEP>, BA70%UTEP.bitnet@utepvm.utep.edu (Louie Valles) writes: |> Has anyone attempted pine3.91 on solaris 2.3?????? Many people, I should think. |> Have tried unsuccessfully using build sol. any hints/ideas. >From the notes I kept when building it using Sun's cc compiler: This is what I did when building Pine 3.91: SOLARIS 2.3 ----------- . Edited pine/osdep/os-sv4.h and made 3 changes (original file in .orig): . Set the locations of the pine global configuration files; . De-commented the setting of ANSI; . Commented the null definition of "const". . Edited pine/makefile.sol and made one change (original file in .orig): . Commented out the compiler flag setting for -g -DDEBUG. . De-commented the compiler flag setting for -O. . Typed "build sol" at top level. It all built straight away, seemingly successfully. There were a number of compiler warnings, some about changes of comparisons for ANSI semantics, and some for apparent differences of argument types to some routines. These do not seem to matter. -- Philip Hazel University Computing Service, ph10@cus.cam.ac.uk New Museums Site, Cambridge CB2 3QG, P.Hazel@ucs.cam.ac.uk England. Phone: +44 1223 334714 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 10:16:57 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23075; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:16:57 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01334; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:07:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01324; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:07:13 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r2vkS-00009mC; Wed, 2 Nov 94 22:34 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Roman Czyborra Subject: Re: PINE and MIME Date: Wed, 02 Nov 1994 22:15:00 +0100 Message-Id: References: <3985nf$ba8@oreig.uji.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I have installed on our HP9000 s730 the pine3.90 package to read > mail. It have the ability to Attach documents. Please, how can I > view a document in Postcript from inside pine ? Press v to go to the attachment index, and pipe the attachment to "ghostview -". Pine3.91 groks .mailcap where you could write application/postscript; ghostview %s From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 10:17:01 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23096; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:17:01 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01344; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:07:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01338; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:07:22 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r2wBx-00009oC; Wed, 2 Nov 94 23:02 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Peter L. Berghold" Subject: Re: Sending Multiple Email Address Date: 2 Nov 1994 20:19:56 GMT Message-Id: <398s9c$kna@jetty.telerate.com> References: > I've just started using Pine and I would like to send messages to > my buddies overseas, all at once. Is their away that I can modify the file > ..addressbook in Pine to have them all receive my message, without each > of them receiving each others email address. > 1) start pine 2) hit the "M" key for the main menu 3) hit the "A" key for the address book 4) hit the "S" key to create a list 5) follow the prompts and enter the list parms 6) enjoy! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 10:17:10 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23132; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:17:10 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01230; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:05:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01224; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:05:04 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r2oBU-00009SC; Wed, 2 Nov 94 14:29 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu (J. Kelly Cunningham) Subject: Re: How to force pine-3.91 to see that new mail has arrived? Message-Id: <1994Nov2.151713.266@titan.sfasu.edu> Date: 2 Nov 94 15:17:12 CST References: In article , Roman Czyborra wrote: >> I have a biff that shows that new mail has arrived, but while I'm in >> pine, pine doesn't know it cause 2.5 minutes have not yet elapsed. >> Result is that I end up having to get out and back into pine to force >> the new mail to be seen. Any keystroke to make it happen on the fly? > >Control-L on the Index Screen. I'd junk xbiff. > Trying to move past the last message works for me. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 10:17:26 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23186; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:17:26 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03096; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:07:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03090; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:07:08 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r2Ux1-00007kC; Tue, 1 Nov 94 17:57 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: arice@dorsai.org Subject: Help with Pine Message-Id: Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 17:40:01 GMT I have this problem with pine, and it's been going since day one, quite a long time. When I try going into the SENT-MAIL folder I get this message Opening "Sent Mail" .... and a second later I get this message: Permision denied: mail/sent mail and it does not let me get into this folder. Anyone have a solution or even thought? I will try anything.. thanx From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 10:17:30 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23200; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:17:30 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03106; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:07:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03100; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:07:18 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r2Wa6-00007pC; Tue, 1 Nov 94 19:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Kevin Scott Walker Subject: Save to my home disc? how? Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 18:37:12 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi There, As you may have guessed, I'm new to this. I am having problems exporting mail to my home computer. I am accessing from my home computer through U of O's pine service via modem, and when I try to save to a disc in the B drive nothing happens! Huh? What? HELP! Kevin. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 10:17:41 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23235; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:17:41 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03080; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:07:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03072; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:06:56 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r2UAo-00007iC; Tue, 1 Nov 94 17:07 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jbollow@netcom.com (jbollow@netcom.com) Subject: How to I save the whole folder? Message-Id: Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 16:48:01 GMT Hi. Quick question. November just arrived and now I have another folder in Pine. It's the mail that I sent in October. Is there any way to export that whole folder (rather than saving each file individually)? I would like to put it all onto a disk (or two), rather than leaving it all at Netcom. Thanks! -- ---jeff--- jbollow@netcom.com E-mail read and answered daily. If you get no response within 48 hours, please resend your e-mail. One of these days, e-mail will become as reliable as it is efficient. ...Well, I can always HOPE, can't I? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 10:17:49 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23264; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:17:49 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01320; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:07:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01310; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:07:02 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r2uIY-00009iC; Wed, 2 Nov 94 21:01 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Michael J. Diehn (mike)" Subject: Re: Anyone build pine3.91 for UnixWare yet? Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 15:10:27 -0500 Message-Id: References: <2eb7beda0.1b9f@stimpy.summit.novell.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <2eb7beda0.1b9f@stimpy.summit.novell.com> Following my request for help with building pine3.91 under UnixWare 1.1.2, I received the following responses in email. Thanks to John and Jeff, pine is now running on my system and the users are happy. If anyone out there is still using pine3.89, I'd suggest upgrading to 3.91 as soon as you can. Thanks all, Mike. Michael J. Diehn System Administrator, Warren Wilson College Swannanoa, NC (USA) *************************************************************** Jeff Lind Unix Systems Group, Novell, Inc. jal@summit.novell.com -------------------------- cp imap/NON-ANSI/c-client/os_sv4.c imap/ANSI/c-client/os_sv4.c cp imap/NON-ANSI/c-client/os_sv4.h imap/ANSI/c-client/os_sv4.h different ./imap/ANSI/c-client/Makefile different ./imap/Makefile different ./pine/osdep/os-sv4.h diff of ./imap/ANSI/c-client/Makefile in pine3.90 and Npine3.90 205c205 < CFLAGS="-g -Dconst= $(EXTRACFLAGS)" RANLIB=true \ --- > CFLAGS="-g -DANSI $(EXTRACFLAGS)" RANLIB=true \ diff of ./imap/Makefile in pine3.90 and Npine3.90 48c48 < a32 aix bsi d-g lnx mnt neb nxt osf sco sgi: --- > a32 aix bsi d-g lnx mnt neb nxt osf sco sgi sv4: 51c51 < bsd cvx dyn hpp isc ptx pyr s40 sol ssn sun sv4 ult vul: --- > bsd cvx dyn hpp isc ptx pyr s40 sol ssn sun ult vul: diff of ./pine/osdep/os-sv4.h in pine3.90 and Npine3.90 188c188 < /* #define ANSI /* this is an ANSI compiler */ --- > #define ANSI /* this is an ANSI compiler */ 190c190 < #define const /* compiler doesn't support const */ --- > /*#define const /* compiler doesn't support const */ ***************************************************************** John L. Korpi Stratus Computer, Inc. john@va.stratus.com (703) 902-8856 I was just messing around with pine. I modified pine/osdep/os-sv4.h, uncommenting the line #define ANSI, and commented out the line #define const pine then compiled, but further modifications are needed to define the proper mail transfer agent. I believe pine expects /usr/lib/sendmail. UnixWare has sendmail in /usr/ucblib, and the standard version as shipped by Novell is broken. I guess there's also a ptf with the latest version of sendmail somewhere on ftp.novell.com. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 10:18:01 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23285; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:18:01 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03139; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:08:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03133; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:07:59 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r2Ynf-00007vC; Tue, 1 Nov 94 22:03 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Multiple sessions viewing a mailbox Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 20:00:09 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: This would work if you use tenex format with a delivery program such as tmail (available on our FTP server) to write to it. There is a general misunderstanding as to exactly what, and why, read-only is with the standard UNIX mbox format. Read-only in mbox format means that Pine has taken an in-memory snapshot of that folder. After it takes the snapshot of the folder, it no longer looks at the disk. Messages can be deleted and expunged, and Pine would not know. The fact that messages can be deleted and expunged, or that messages can be moved around (because of writing the Status:/X-Status:) header, means that a Pine process can not update its in-memory snapshot, unless it was the entity that did the manipulation of the folder. If some other process sloshes messages around, Pine no longer knows where anything is in the file. The only way to reconcile is to toss out everything it may have known about the file and read it all in again; that's just about what you do when you quit Pine and restart it. There is a lock that says ``I declare that I may slosh messages around in the folder.'' If a Pine process has this lock, it is called ``normal access''. If not, it is called ``read-only access'' and it punts on trying to keep track of what the disk copy is doing. Tenex format exploits certain technical aspects to permit many Pine processes to read the folder at the same time, yet each is able to reconcile the in-Pine state with the disk (Tenex format does not require a complete snapshot of the folder, just pointers to where all the messages are). So, using Tenex format, you can have lots of people reading the same file, and seeing changes as they happen, even if they only have read permission to the file. The downside to Tenex format is that it is incompatible from the ordinary UNIX mbox format, so other tools such as Elm can not read folders in this format. -- Mark -- On Tue, 1 Nov 1994, Mike Roch wrote: > > We are considering using a dummy username's inbox as our incoming fault > report conduit. The idea is that lots of people could have a window open > running pine -if /var/spool/mail/dummy_username > > These lots of people have group read permission on the spool file. > > It works up to a point, but new arrivals are not reflected in the > read-only sessions. If a session is read-only, why shouldn't pine > periodically check the mail spool for changes? The person with the r/o > session isn't changing anything ... > > Mike > > ============================================================================== > Mike Roch, Computer Services Centre, Tel: 0734 318430 > The University, Whiteknights, Reading, RG6 2AF Fax: 0734 753094 > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 10:19:22 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23371; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:19:22 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03034; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:06:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03028; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:06:25 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r2Ree-00007cC; Tue, 1 Nov 94 14:26 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sui@ornl.gov (Shui Chang) Subject: Incoming Messages appear on Forwarding Message Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 20:13:42 GMT Message-Id: A user encounters this problem from time to time in version 3.89, 3.90, and 3.91. The user was forwarding a message and at the end of that message were messages apparently just hit her INBOX. These incoming messages looked as if they were appended to the forwarded message. When this happened yesterday, the user went ahead sending the forwarded message. The forwarded message was fine, i.e. the incoming messages were not in it. But, these incoming messages were not in the INBOX or any folder. They disappeared! It happened again this morning. This time, these incoming messages went with the forwarded message but they were correctly placed in the INBOX. Has anyone reported this problem before? Is there a fix? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 10:19:43 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23425; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:19:43 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02731; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:58:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02724; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:58:07 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r2fUh-00008kC; Wed, 2 Nov 94 05:12 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mdiehn@warren-wilson.edu (Michael J. Diehn (mike)) Subject: Anyone build pine3.91 for UnixWare yet? Date: 2 Nov 1994 00:07:55 GMT Message-Id: <396l8r$kv8@inxs.ncren.net> I'm running UnixWare 1.1.2. Has anyone built pine3.91 from source on a UnixWare box yet? Thanks folks, Michael Diehn mdiehn@warren-wilson.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 10:19:48 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23443; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:19:48 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03068; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:06:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03062; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:06:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r2SWS-00007fC; Tue, 1 Nov 94 15:21 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sui@ornl.gov (Shui Chang) Subject: sh: rcvAppleSingle: not found Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 20:36:44 GMT Message-Id: A Mac user tried to view some attachments (e.g. Apple resource fork files), he gets the following messages. By the way, we are running Pine3.91. [VIEWER Result: sh: rcvAppleSingle: not found] and [VIEWER Result: sh: shownonascii: not found] Any idea what needs to be done to resolve the problem? Thanks. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 10:19:56 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23478; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:19:56 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01280; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:06:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01274; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:06:29 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r2RWu-00007bC; Tue, 1 Nov 94 14:18 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cowley@hubble.sheridanc.on.ca (Paul Cowley) Subject: Corrupted Attachments Message-Id: Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 16:21:50 GMT I am having a strange thing happen to me and just know that there is someone on the Net with an answer. I am able to attach a Word Perfect file to an e-mail message and send it to a secretary here on the same campus but when I try to do the same thing to another of our campuses the attachment appears as if it had uunencoded. It is totally useless. Any thoughts on what the devil's going on. Frustrated in Brampton. Up thumb, Paul ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Cowley, Instructor | paul.cowley@sheridanc.on.ca Interpreter Education Program | Sheridan College, Davis Campus | 905-875-4584 HOME Box 7500, McLaughlin Road | 905-874-4323 FAX Brampton, Ontario, L6V 1G6 | 905-459-7533 ext 5372 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 10:20:06 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23499; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:20:06 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01405; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:09:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01399; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:09:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r2ZCC-000082C; Tue, 1 Nov 94 22:29 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Roman Czyborra Subject: Re: pine -f foldername Date: Tue, 01 Nov 1994 22:20:21 +0100 Message-Id: References: <38o739$se5@rowan.coventry.ac.uk> <395532$2ka@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I also find the pine -f folder option irritating since I would like > pine to read archival mail and news which is stored on a scratch > disk. I do like the pine -f folder behavior. I use pine -f $PWD/folder for reading mailboxes in the current directory. pine -f ./folder would be nicer. The use-current-dir option doesn't enable it, either. > pine -f -folder could default to reading the file folder in > the current directory. This seems logical. Perhaps it could search both places. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 10:20:08 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23505; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:20:08 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01114; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:01:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01108; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:01:05 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r2iF0-00009DC; Wed, 2 Nov 94 08:08 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mea@utu.fi (Matti Aarnio) Subject: Re: Problem with Pine 3.91 & ISO-8859-1 Message-Id: References: Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 11:28:59 GMT mats@exodata.se (Mats Akerberg) writes: >Hi! > >I have pine 3.91, Solaris 2.3 (I use the precompiled one)! >And I have the following set > character-set = ISO-8859-1 > >When I get a MIME mail from a friend using some other mailer than >PINE. I can read all the nice 8 bit ISO characters. > >But when I do a REPLY to his mail, the characters in my quoting looks like >=E5 and so on. It is perfectly valid, your friend just needs MIME-compliant mail-client, PINE for example, to read it. >The header in his mail looks like: > >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >Is it a bug? Or did I miss something in my configuration? No, and you can't alter the behaviour without editing the source, and compiling.. PINE sends all 8-bit chars in Quoted-Printable format, that is "=HH". > Thanks > /Mats >-- > Mats Akerberg (mats@exodata.se) > Exo Data AB > Snail: Box 8312 S-163 08 Spanga Sweden > Phone: + 46 8 795 98 30 FAX: + 46 8 36 55 78 /Matti Aarnio From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 10:20:20 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23547; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:20:20 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01431; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:09:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01425; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:09:23 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r2zYZ-0000A2C; Thu, 3 Nov 94 02:38 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: penev@pisa.Rockefeller.edu (Penio Penev) Subject: Setting pine-3.91 for IMAP without pre-authentication Message-Id: <1994Nov2.134008.18722@rockyd> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 94 13:40:08 EST I have started using the IMAP access method with pine-3.91 both under Unix and Winsock. While from Unix I use the pre-authentication, I want to specify the password each time I use it from my PC. The problem is, that PC_Pine never asks me about an username and a password. And it tells me, that access is denied, when I try to expand the folder. BTW, the Unix version also denied me access without asking me anything, until I turned rsh access on. I have read both the tech notes and the README files, as well as all help of variables and config options, but I didn't see where is this documented. So, my question is "How to use IMAP non-pre-authentication access from PC_Pine?" -- Penio Penev 1-212-327-7423 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 10:20:22 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23553; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:20:22 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02788; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:59:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02782; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:59:46 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r2HhE-000079C; Tue, 1 Nov 94 03:48 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nick Pikarsky Subject: Help, pc-pine 3.91b(w) where to config time zone info? Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 14:39:06 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Help, I am using pc-pine windows version on a 486 computer using dec pathworks v5.0a (tcp/ip) transport with the dec version of winsock. The imap and smtp host are dec ultrix machine running v4.1 of ultrix and v3.91 of pine. I have two problems, they are as follows: 1. the header time indicates PDT as the time zone of the mail origination time. 2. when I compose a message and try to send the message on pc-pine the program will just sit there and seem to hang with the message sending mail at the bottom of screen, I will then open another network task (vt320 emulator) that use telnet and boom the mail will be sent.. Any help will be helpfull... Thanks, Nick Pikarsky pikarsky@maniac.med.miami.edu p.s. I have yet to see v3.91 workin for vax/vms system I tried to build it but alas it did not work from the supplied tar source on cac... I have built and am using v3.89 from Israel, but it will not allow for attachments on the version that I have, if anyone knows of a more update version please let me know. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 10:20:45 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23609; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:20:45 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02872; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:01:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from c700-1.sm.dsi.unimi.it by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02866; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:01:19 -0800 Received: by pippo.sm.dsi.unimi.it (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA05997; Thu, 3 Nov 94 19:00:54 +0100 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 19:00:52 +0100 (MET) From: "Michele \"BaNzO\" Zamboni" X-Sender: zamboni@c700-1.sm.dsi.unimi.it To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: empty folders Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello ! I am using PINE 3.91 (I love it!) and I have a problem. Is there a way to know if a mail or news folder is empty before entering it ? Thanx for your help ! BaNzO =========================================================================== = NickName : Michele "BaNzO" Zamboni = Home Address : = = E-Mail: zamboni@ghost.dsi.unimi.it = Via Moretto da Brescia 21 = = Computer Science Departement Univ. of Milan = 20133 Milano Italy = = URL : http://www.dsi.unimi.it/Users/Students/zamboni/home.html = =========================================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 10:20:49 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23617; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:20:49 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03177; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:08:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03169; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:08:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r2Z2l-00007zC; Tue, 1 Nov 94 22:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gunther@ssi.edc.org (Gunther Anderson) Subject: Re: Help with Pine Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 20:51:13 GMT Message-Id: References: arice@dorsai.org wrote: : I have this problem with pine, and it's been going since day one, quite a : long time. : When I try going into the SENT-MAIL folder I get this message : Opening "Sent Mail" .... : and a second later I get this message: : Permision denied: mail/sent mail : and it does not let me get into this folder. Well, is there a directory named mail already? What are its permissions? Or is there a file named mail already there? If the latter, then certainly Pine can't make a folder there. Sorry to ask the obvious questions first, but there might be gold in them thar directories. Gunther Anderson From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 10:21:34 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23726; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:21:34 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03218; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:09:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03207; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:09:30 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r30TI-0000A3C; Thu, 3 Nov 94 03:36 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Barry Landy Subject: Re: Saving Outgoing Mail Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 11:25:22 +0000 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <38ram5$i6n@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> On 28 Oct 1994, Doug McIntyre wrote: > As a Help Desk consultant, I've recieved the following message > > > My other message is in reference to the fact that after sending a message > > to someone that I want to save my copy in a specific folder, right now, I > > have to go into the sent mail folder, select the message and then save > > it to the desired folder. This is, in my opinion an unnecessary hastle. > > Does any one have a "slicker" way to save sent mail into differing folders? Three: a) Set up an alias. A little known feature of 3.90/3.91 is that there is a 4th field in each alias which is precisely the default Fcc: for that alias, so each persons mail will go to the right place. b) Using Setup Config set the default-composer-headers to include fcc, then the standard fcc is displayed when composing and can be overwritten to whatever is required (^K then new value) c) without either of those: when composing and in the headers type ^R (Rich Headers) upon which the fcc will be displayed; over write it with desired value. ======================================================================= Barry Landy, Head of Systems and Development, University of Cambridge Computing Service Barry.Landy@ucs.cam.ac.uk 0-1223-334713 +44-1223-334713 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 10:22:56 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23810; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:22:56 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03205; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:09:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03199; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:09:18 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r2ZZH-000088C; Tue, 1 Nov 94 22:53 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: colemand@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca (Debbie Coleman) Subject: Taking addresses and adding them to a list Date: 1 Nov 1994 12:37:42 -0500 Message-Id: <395ud6$gmu@mcmail.cis.McMaster.CA> I think there should be a way to take an address from a received mail message and add it to a list you have in your address book. This would be particularly handy if you had a whole bunch of people from different hosts as it is a pain to type all those names in. By the way, I am running pine 3.89. Is this fixed in later versions? Right now, you can add a single address to your addres book but not add an address to a list. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Deb Coleman E-Mail Address: McMaster University colemand@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 10:23:01 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23826; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:23:01 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03189; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:09:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03183; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:09:03 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r2ZCS-000083C; Tue, 1 Nov 94 22:29 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Roman Czyborra Subject: Re: How to force pine-3.91 to see that new mail has arrived? Date: Tue, 01 Nov 1994 22:23:28 +0100 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I have a biff that shows that new mail has arrived, but while I'm in > pine, pine doesn't know it cause 2.5 minutes have not yet elapsed. > Result is that I end up having to get out and back into pine to force > the new mail to be seen. Any keystroke to make it happen on the fly? Control-L on the Index Screen. I'd junk xbiff. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 10:24:38 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23948; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:24:38 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01397; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:08:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01389; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:08:46 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r2Yyz-00007yC; Tue, 1 Nov 94 22:15 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: IMAP and rsh Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 20:16:36 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <396npg$2g0@teal.ece.jhu.edu> On 1 Nov 1994, Mark L. Chang wrote: > Currently, the machine that I want to access via the IMAPd daemon does not > allow rsh access (rlogin type) because the sysadmin sees it as a security > hole too big to justify. > > Any way around this? If you use an explicit port specification, Pine will not try rsh access. IMAP is normally on port 143. If your server is called imap.foo.edu, try: {imap.foo.edu:143}inbox ^^^^ the :143 is the ``use port 143'' specifier > Also... I've got my own machine set up, but I didn't configure IMAPd for > it when installing pine... is there an easy way to do this and does the > archive contain sample imapd.conf files? The file imap/README documents how to set up an IMAP server, as does the Pine technical notes. Do not use the imapd.conf capability. This is evil, wicked, black magic, and sorcerer's apprentices who play with it will end up fighting a horde of water-bucket carrying brooms flooding the castle. ;-) In all seriousness, these files are used for special experimental purposes at UW to override the normal behavior of imapd. There are several highly undocumented and bizarre side effects that occur when you change these settings from their standard positions. The form, and function, of any of these is subject to change from version to version without notice. It is likely that if you depend upon anything done by this files you will be very unhappy when you install the next version. imapd automatically configures itself for proper operation without any configuration file. If you use imapd.conf without having an intimate understanding of what is going on in the source code, you're almost certainly going to break both imapd and Pine on that system. I've been bit a few times myself (testing a particular experiment and forgetting to delete it afterwards), and I wrote it! ;-) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 10:25:06 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23989; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:25:06 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03197; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:09:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03191; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:09:09 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r2Znq-000089C; Tue, 1 Nov 94 23:08 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: How to I save the whole folder? Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 14:09:50 -0800 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Pine stores folders as text files, so you can just download the whole file. Look in your mail (or Mail) directory... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 1 Nov 1994 jbollow@netcom.com wrote: > Date: Tue, 1 NOV 1994 16:48:01 GMT > From: jbollow@netcom.com > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: How to I save the whole folder? > > Hi. Quick question. > > November just arrived and now I have another folder in Pine. It's the > mail that I sent in October. Is there any way to export that whole > folder (rather than saving each file individually)? I would like to put > it all onto a disk (or two), rather than leaving it all at Netcom. > > Thanks! > -- > ---jeff--- > jbollow@netcom.com > E-mail read and answered daily. > If you get no response within 48 hours, please resend your e-mail. > One of these days, e-mail will become as reliable as it is efficient. > ...Well, I can always HOPE, can't I? > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 10:25:14 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24010; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:25:14 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01413; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:09:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01407; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:09:08 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r2ZJx-000086C; Tue, 1 Nov 94 22:37 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Roman Czyborra Subject: Re: Corrupted Attachments Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 22:35:29 +0100 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: > I am able to attach a Word Perfect file to an e-mail message and send it > to a secretary here on the same campus but when I try to do the same thing > to another of our campuses the attachment appears as if it had uunencoded. This is explained in Pine's m)ain ?)help text. The recipient at the other site uses an older mail reader that doesn't conform to the MIME standard. Tell them to use one of the products listed in the FAQ of comp.mail.mime. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 10:26:48 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24073; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:26:48 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01423; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:09:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01417; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:09:19 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r2ZZ1-000087C; Tue, 1 Nov 94 22:52 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Roman Czyborra Subject: Re: sh: rcvAppleSingle: not found Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 22:47:10 +0100 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: > A Mac user tried to view some attachments (e.g. Apple resource fork > files), he gets the following messages. > [VIEWER Result: sh: rcvAppleSingle: not found] and > [VIEWER Result: sh: shownonascii: not found] > Any idea what needs to be done to resolve the problem? The mailcap file needs to be tailored for your environment. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 10:28:16 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24118; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:28:16 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01514; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:11:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01508; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:11:26 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r35me-0000AbC; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:17 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: beginning of messages/parsing Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 21:01:08 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <9411021522.AA27784@micronet.wcu.edu> On Wed, 2 Nov 1994, Patti Johnson wrote: > On my old OS (SCO Xenix), I could process a mail file with one of my own > apps - I knew that messages begin with "From ". Knowing this, I could break > a mail file down to its individual messages and work with them from there. > > Then, I moved to my Sun/Solaris 2.3 box and found that that is no longer true. > I thought the problem was mine until I received a couple of messages that > included several imbedded "From "'s - they were majordomo list logs. Well, > mailx could tell that there was a total of 3 messages, where the messages > included many other messaages. Pine, on the other hand could not - and parsed > them out as several smaller messages. > > What's the deal on mailbox parsing? How can I tell where one message begins > and one ends? Should I cross post this message to another list that discusses > Sun or are others of you finding the same "problem"? This is likely to be a Frequently Asked Question. So, without further ado...: Content-Length Considered Harmful or Fear and Loathing in the Unix Mail File Header Mark Crispin, UW-NDC 2 November 1995 INTRODUCTION: The UNIX mbox format was delimited by lines of the form From
for example: From blurdybloop@foo.com Wed Nov 2 20:01:52 1994 Any line in the message text in that format has to be escaped in some way, usually by prefixing it with a ">" character: >From blurdybloop@foo.com Wed Nov 2 20:01:52 1994 Some software quotes all lines that began with "From ": >From the data above, you can see the blurdybloop of the garply... although this is not necessary since such lines are obviously not the start of a new message. There are variations. Not all systems include the seconds: From blurdybloop@foo.com Wed Nov 2 20:01 1994 Some systems have a symbolic timezone (e.g. "PST") before the year: From blurdybloop@foo.com Wed Nov 2 20:01 PST 1994 Other systems have a numeric timezone after the year: From blurdybloop@foo.com Wed Nov 2 20:01:52 1994 -0800 Some systems have an additional field that says "remote from ": From blurdybloop@foo.com Wed Nov 2 20:01:52 1994 -0800 remote from foo Pine supports 20 possible variations in all. And all was more or less joy and light. Or at least begrudged acceptance and enough to see your hand in front of your face. LET'S FIX WHAT AIN'T BROKE: Certain individuals at unnamed organizations [one used to be the US telephone monopoly, the other a large workstation vendor whose name used to mean Stanford University Network] decided to "improve" the format of UNIX mail files. These individuals felt that it was "inefficient" to look for lines that begin with "From ". They invented a Content-Length: header line, which contained a byte count of the number of text bytes after the header. This meant, in theory, after reaching the blank line that separates the message text from the message body, you could do an fseek() to move that many bytes forward. WHY IT'S BROKE: There were problems with this notion. 1) Stdio does not guarantee that the numbers used by fseek() are really bytes from the start of the file. So the "efficient" algorithm was by definition non-portable. 2) This header line was written by the originator of the message. If the message was modified in transit (e.g. through a gateway that converts spaces to tabs, deletes trailing spaces, etc.), the size count would be messed up. 3) Mischievious users could messages with bogus Content-Length values to confuse your mail reader. 4) There are differences between UNIX newline (a single byte \012) and Internet newline (a two byte \015\012), with resultant impact on message text lengths. 5) One of the benefits of the UNIX mailbox format was that you could run a text editor on the file without damaging its subsequent usability with your mail reader. Size-count based mailbox formats break this ability. 6) One of the benefits of a size-count mailbox format is to be able to find the next message quickly, even if you can not edit it with an editor. But because the Content-Length: header line could only be used as an estimate, you end up not only having to scan the header for this header line but then hunting around in the mailbox at about the appropriate point for the next message. This requires a lot of clever code and ends up not saving much at all. 7) It is possible to do fast block searches that are much faster than character-at-a-time searches. Pine does a very basic form of fast search (that is nonetheless faster than the character-at-a-time search). But you can't use such searches effectively if you have to stop and do header parsing, or have to backtrack. 8) It forces the mail reader to parse the message header just to find the next message. So, mail readers that try to save time by deferring message header parsing lose the startup time advantage. 9) Even when things work right, we weren't talking big savings here: less than 1/1000 of a second of CPU time per typical message, somewhat more for the Multi-Megabyte MIMEgram From Hell. But, you have to subtract the cost of doing a message header parse for every message (to find the Content-Length) which previously was unnecessary. Bottom line: Content-Length combines the disadvantages of the UNIX mailbox format (slow to find the next message) and a size-count format (can't edit reliably) while retaining the advantages of neither. It can have some performance benefits, but also entails performance costs. Software which tries to support it takes a performance hit on *all* systems, even those which don't use it. Finally, it has reliability and robustness costs. WHERE WE STAND IN THE RESULTING FETID BOG: There are individuals who are fans of Content-Length format, and loudly evangelize its cause. People with more experience shudder at the thought. We on the Pine team fall into the latter category; if we tried to support Content-Length, we'd slow down mail file reading for *all* users, and it would make Pine less reliable and more vulnerable to the antics of mischievious individuals. So, we decline to do so. Although the above-named Silicon Valley workstation vendor is chiefly responsible for distributing software that inflicts Content-Length upon the email world, many internal users at that vendor avoid it like the plague. They replace the offending software with traditional format software ("do what we say, not what we do"). Many of this vendor's customers do likewise ("we'll do what you do, not what you say"). We recommend this course of action as well. WHAT YOU CAN DO TO ESCAPE THE SWAMP: If sendmail is your mailer, the sendmail.cf file usually has an entry that identifies the program that actually writes mail files. Typically, it is /bin/mail. You can get a copy of our tools sendit or tmail (sendit is more traditional, tmail is mostly for wizards only) from our FTP server (ftp.cac.washington.edu), install it, and have sendmail point to that tool instead. Sendit is smart enough to recognize that it only needs to insert the nasty ">" prefix in front of lines that are 100% in start-of-message header format, and otherwise ignores lines that start with "From ". This cures 99% of user complaints, and helps preserve a fast and reliable Pine. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 10:31:52 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24281; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:31:52 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01669; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:17:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from peach.wustl.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01663; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:17:00 -0800 Received: by peach.wustl.edu (NX5.67d/NeXT-3.0-SLT/GHC) id AA01163; Thu, 3 Nov 94 12:14:26 -0600 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 12:14:25 -0600 (CST) From: A&S NeXT Lab Consultant X-Sender: fruitaid@peach To: REM-Rocks Cc: Pine Info List Subject: Re: sorting in the sent-mail folder In-Reply-To: <9411030104.AA24697@astro.ocis.temple.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Right! That would be the best way for the sent-mail folder: by Addressed-To: Hussain Chinoy Head Consultant, Arts & Sciences NeXT Lab Cupples I, Room 213 Washington University in St. Louis (314) 935-4353 fruitaid@artsci.wustl.edu On Wed, 2 Nov 1994, REM-Rocks wrote: > In this article A&S NeXT Lab Consultant wrote: > > + Do any of you know if there's a way to sort the sent-mail folder > + by sender? > > I always get confused with From: and Sender: > So you want to sort it by the "Addressed-To" ? > > -- > o o o o o o o . . . _~~~__~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ _~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ > o _____ | /__ | | Compt. Svcs. | > .][__n_n_|DD[ ====_____ | __/ riram NCV | | Temple Univ. | > >(________|__|_[_________]_|______________________|_|_______________|_ > _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o^o^o o^o^o` 'o^o o^o` > ======================================================================== > Talk about me doing the talking for others, esp. My Employers!! > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 10:31:58 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24293; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:31:58 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03622; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:24:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03612; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:24:20 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26198; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:24:19 -0800 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 10:24:17 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: David L Miller Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: inbox remote mail server In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 31 Oct 1994, David L Miller wrote: > inbox-path={werple.apana.org.au} > This will *usually* work, but there are some cases where omitting the special name "inbox" after the host specification will cause problems, so it is safer to say: inbox-path={werple.apana.org.au}inbox -teg > On 31 Oct 1994, Nick Allan wrote: > > > Date: 31 OCT 1994 18:11:41 +1100 > > From: Nick Allan > > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > > Subject: inbox remote mail server > > > > Hello everyone > > > > I connect to the site that holds my email via a slip connection, this > > connection is dialup. > > I would like pine on my home system to use the inbox on the mail system. > > I know you are supposed to use the in-box-path in your .pinerc file but > > can someone tell me what the format of this is supposed to look like > > eg the host is werple.apana.org.au and my mail file on this host is > > /var/mail/guardian > > > > Thanks for any assistance. > > > > > > -- > > Regards Nick > > > > Guardian@werple.apana.org.au > > > > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 10:32:09 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24323; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:32:09 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03231; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:09:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03221; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:09:40 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r32zK-00000EC; Thu, 3 Nov 94 06:18 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: krman@krman.peinet.pe.ca. (Kevin MacRae) Subject: Re: Anyone build pine3.91 for UnixWare yet? Date: 2 Nov 1994 22:03:29 GMT Message-Id: <3992bh$nlm@bud.peinet.pe.ca> References: <396l8r$kv8@inxs.ncren.net> <396olo$lma@inxs.ncren.net> In article <396olo$lma@inxs.ncren.net>, mdiehn@warren-wilson.edu (Michael J. Diehn (mike)) writes: |> |> Following up on my own post with more info... |> |> Michael J. Diehn (mike) (mdiehn@warren-wilson.edu) wrote: |> : I'm running UnixWare 1.1.2. Has anyone built pine3.91 from source |> : on a UnixWare box yet? |> |> I tried to build pine using the command "build sv4" |> The pico, imapd and mtest parts were built, but the make died during the |> pine build with the following error message. |> |> cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"SV4\" -c addrbook.c |> "/usr/include/stdlib.h", line 71: identifier redeclared: system |> "/usr/include/unistd.h", line 169: identifier redeclared: rename I had the same problem. It stems from including stdio.h fix edit /usr/include/stdlib.h BEFORE the line extern int system(con char *); type #if !defined(_STDIO_H) then after the extern int system.... line type #endif Repeat for unistd.h except find the line rename Novell, Is this a bug in the header? |> "addrbook.c", line 7465: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast |> *** Error code 1 (bu21) |> |> make: fatal error. |> |> Does anyone know how to modify the sv4 makefile for use with unixware? |> |> Again, |> : Thanks folks, |> : Michael Diehn |> : mdiehn@warren-wilson.edu -- ******************************************************************************* * Kevin MacRae Phone (902) 566-3198 * * Owner/Operator FAX (902) 566-3423 * * K & R Management Internet krman@peinet.pe.ca * ******************************************************************************* From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 12:13:03 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00267; Thu, 3 Nov 94 12:13:03 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01000; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:58:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00994; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:58:21 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r2Gf2-00006wC; Tue, 1 Nov 94 02:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rgm@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk (Richard McMahon) Subject: Re: pine -f foldername Date: 1 Nov 1994 10:25:38 GMT Message-Id: <395532$2ka@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> References: <38o739$se5@rowan.coventry.ac.uk> I also find the pine -f folder option irritating since I would like pine to read archival mail and news which is stored on a scratch disk. For this purpose I cd to the relevant directory and use elm -f folder. Standard mail and elm follows the rules -f [filename] Read messages from filename instead of system mailbox. If no filename is specified, the mbox is used. -f +folder Use the file folder in the folder directory (same as the folder command). The name of this directory is listed in the folder vari- able. Since pine may not want to revert to this, maybe pine -f -folder could default to reading the file folder in the current directory. This seems logical. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 13:27:01 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03444; Thu, 3 Nov 94 13:27:01 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01449; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:09:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01433; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:09:29 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r31du-0000A4C; Thu, 3 Nov 94 04:51 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Signature and Finger FAQ Date: 3 Nov 1994 12:29:58 GMT Message-Id: Archive-name: signature_finger_faq Posting-frequency: approximately monthly Last-modified: 31 October 1994 _____________________________________________________ _________| |_________ \ | SIGNATURE AND FINGER FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS | / \ | Telling the World Who You Are | / \ | | / \ | | / / | Copyright (c) 1994 Nancy McGough | \ / | | \ / |_____________________________________________________| \ /____________) (___________\ TABLE OF CONTENTS 0.0 About this Article ... 0.1 Copyright Notice ... 0.2 Acknowledgements ... 0.3 Terminology and Notation ... 0.4 Getting the Latest Version of This Article ... 0.5 Reading the Hypertext Version of This Article ... 0.6 Reading the Plain Text Version of This Article 1.0 Automatic Signature - Basic Unix Instructions ... 1.1 Pine 3.90 and Above ... 1.2 Pine 3.89 and Below ... 1.3 Elm ... 1.4 Mail ... 1.5 Emacs Mail Mode ... 1.6 MH and Emacs MH-E ... 1.7 NN ... 1.8 GNUS ... 1.9 Troubleshooting Signature Problems 2.0 Finger - Basic Unix Instructions ... 2.1 URLs for Fingering ... 2.2 Changing Your Default Finger Info: chfn ... 2.3 Adding More to Your Finger Info: .plan & .project ... 2.4 Finding Out Who Fingers You ... 2.5 Backfinger Script ... 2.6 Interesting Places to Finger 3.0 Putting Ascii Art in your Signature and Finger Files 4.0 Organization Header ... 4.1 Tin and the RN Family ... 4.2 Pine 3.90 and Above ... 4.3 Elm ... 4.4 NN 5.0 Contributing to this FAQ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:00:00 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 0.0 About this Article This article describes these three ways to tell people on the Internet more about yourself: * Signature file automatically included in your mail and news messages * Finger information displayed when people finger you * Organization line in your mail and news headers ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:00:10 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 0.1 Copyright Notice Copyright (c) 1994 by Nancy McGough. This collection of articles is first published in 1994 and is copyrighted by Nancy McGough (except subjects 1.4, 1.5, 1.6, 1.8, and 2.5 which are Copyright (c) 1994 by the authors named in the sections). No portion of this work may be sold or put to commercial use without express written consent of the authors. This restriction covers publication in any form, or distribution by any method, which permits this work to be visually perceived, either directly or with the aid of any machine or device. Permission is granted to republish or redistribute this article in its entirety for noncommercial use if this copyright notice is not removed or altered. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:00:20 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 0.2 Acknowledgements + means someone who is new since the last time I posted this FAQ (i.e., since 16 September 1994). Thanks to these people who contributed digest items: Jym Dyer Mike Northam + Janet Rosenbaum Thanks to these people who sent suggestions: + Jeff Blaine Stephen Cristol + Terry Gray + Sven Guckes + Mary McGough David L Miller + Skip Montanaro David W. Tamkin Sid Weinstein Thanks to these people who've written documents, programs, or asii art that are pointed to in this article. (This list is not complete right now....) + Bob Allison + Jorn Barger + Piero Serini + Doug Stevenson + Bill Wohler + Scott A. Yanoff Special thanks to: + Thomas A. Fine for setting up and maintaining the hypertext archive of FAQs. Congratulations to him for winning O'Reilly and Associates' "The Best of the Net" award! Please let me know if I've left you, or anyone else, out of this list. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:00:30 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 0.3 Terminology and Notation Term Meaning ==== ======= FTP File Transfer Protocol HTML HyperText Markup Language HTTP HyperText Transport Protocol RFC Internet Request For Comments Document URL Uniform Resource Locator ^x Hold down the Ctrl key and the x key at the same time ~ your home directory $HOME (see * below) * In this article I use ~ (tilde) to mean your home directory. Note that some shells, like the Bourne shell (sh) and Bourne-again shell (bash), do not understand the tilde notation so you will need to use $HOME instead. You can always get to your home directory by typing ``cd''. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:00:40 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 0.4 Getting the Latest Version of This Article If this article is over two months old then there is probably an updated version of it in all the usual archives. Please get the latest version from one of these places: World Wide Web (the nicest format for online reading!): http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/signature_finger_faq/faq.html Anonymous FTP: ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/signature_finger_faq Email: Send mail to mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu containing the following: send usenet/news.answers/signature_finger_faq UUCP: uunet!/archive/usenet/news.answers/signature_finger_faq ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:00:50 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 0.5 Reading the Hypertext Version of This Article The best way to read this FAQ (and most other FAQs too) is to view the hypertext version using a Web browser such as Lynx, Mosaic, Netscape, WinWeb, or Cello. This will allow you to easily jump: * between subjects in this article * to a Uniform Resource Locator (URL) * to an Internet Request For Comments document (RFC) * to a manual page This and all FAQs that are crossposted to news.answers can be accessed through: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/top.html This particular FAQ is at: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/signature_finger_faq/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:00:60 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 0.6 Reading the Plain Text Version of This Article If you are reading the plain text version (i.e., not the hypertext version) of this FAQ it is in RFC1153 digest format which means each subject is formatted as a mini mail message with its own Date, From, and Subject (and sometimes Followup-To) headers. Some newsreaders and mailers make it really easy to jump to a subject in an article that is in digest format. Here are instruction for some newsreaders: * NN's default is to split a digest and present each digest item on the menu. If you have changed the default by putting ``set split off'' in your ~/.nn/init file then you can split a digested article by typing G% while viewing it. This will present each digest item on a submenu. You can then read, followup-to, save, print, etc. individual digest items. * In trn (and its relatives like rn and strn) you can type ^g (Ctrl key and g key pressed simultaneously) to skip to the next line that begins with "Subject: " * In emacs GNUS, C-c C-n will skip to the next digest article (C-C C-p will go back to the previous digest article). If your newsreader or mailer does not have a built-in command that allows you to easily read a digest you can pipe the article to ``formail -ds'' which will split the article into separate mail messages, and then you can use your mailer or newsreader (if it can read mail folders) to read the folder. For example, here's what you would do in Tin while viewing the article: Type... In order to... ------- -------------- | Pipe a Specify the article is to be piped formail -ds >> ~/Folders/faq.split Split the digest into individual messages and put them in a file named ~/Folders/faq.split. (Replace ~/Folders with your folder directory.) pine -if ~/Folders/faq.split Use Pine to read the newly created folder. For more information see the formail(1) and procmail(1) man pages. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:01:00 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 1.0 Automatic Signature - Basic Unix Instructions Q: How can I have a signature automatically appended to my news articles and mail messages? A: The answer depends on your newsreader and mailer but the following procedure works for many Unix newsreaders and mailers. Type... In order to... ------- -------------- cd Change to your home directory (i.e., $HOME or ~) pico .signature Use the pico editor to create a .signature file. (Replace "pico" with another editor if you like.) Note that most systems require your sig to be <= 4 lines. And it's good netiquette to make it as short as possible. In Pico use ^x to exit and answer y when asked if you want to save your changes. chmod 644 .signature Make .signature readable by all. ls -l .signature Check the permission: it should say -rw-r--r-- chmod +x . Make home directory searchable by all. ls -ld . Check permission of home dir: it should say drwx?-x?-x The ?'s may be r's or hyphens or one of each (i.e., drwx--x--x, drwxr-xr-x, drwxr-x--x, drwx--xr-x). ls -la . Check permission of files in home dir. If any are world or group writable (?????w??w?) you'll probably want to change this by doing a "chmod go-w FileName". For more info on changing permissions see chmod man pages. For many newsreaders and mailers this is all you need to do to set up your signature. For example the default behaviour of tin(1) and the rn family of tools - rn(1), trn(1), strn(1), & Pnews(1) - is to automatically append ~/.signature, if it exists. If you use Pine, Elm, Mail, Emacs Mail Mode, MH, NN, or GNUS follow the additional instructions described below. After you've set everything up use your mailer to mail a test message to yourself, and your newsreader and/or news poster (such as nnpost or Pnews) to post an article to a test newsgroup (use a local newsgroup and Distribution set to ``local'' to save bandwidth). Note that with many newsreaders and mailers you will not see your signature while you are composing a message - it will be automaticlally appended when you send the message. Note also that many systems add a line that contains ``-- '' to the top of your sig. This is used by programs that automatically deal with mail or news to identify the start of the signature. If you have a problem with your sig see section 1.9 on Troubleshooting. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:01:10 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 1.1 Pine 3.90 and Above Followup-To: comp.mail.pine The default for Pine 3.90 and above is to automatically append .signature (if it exists) to your messages. Many people like to set the signature-at-bottom variable which will put your signature below both your message and the message you are replying to (if you've included it). Note that if you are forwarding a message your signature will be put below the message that you write but above the forwarded message. To change Pine's signature features: 1. From the Main Menu type s for Setup 2. Type c for Configuration 3. To change the value of the signature-at-bottom feature: a) Space bar and arrow down to the signature-at-bottom variable b) Type x to set/unset this variable. 4. To change the name of your signature file: a) Arrow down to the signature-file line b) Type c for Change Value c) Type the path and name of the file you want to use for your signature. Note that ~ can be used for your $HOME directory. SEE ALSO ======== Pine FAQ: http://www.cac.washington.edu/pine/faq/ ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/docs/faq Pine Manual: pine(1) Pine Newsgroup: comp.mail.pine ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:01:20 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 1.2 Pine 3.89 and Below Followup-To: comp.mail.pine In addition to the basic signature instructions in 1.0 above, users of Pine 3.89 often want to edit their ~/.pinerc file so that it contains the following: feature-list=signature-at-bottom If you want more than one feature in your feature-list then they need to be comma separated like this: feature-list=old-growth, signature-at-bottom Note that Pine's default is to use ~/.signature for your signature so you only need to edit the following line if you are using a different file. signature-file= SEE ALSO ======== Pine FAQ: http://www.cac.washington.edu/pine/faq/ ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/docs/faq Pine Manual: pine(1) Pine Newsgroup: comp.mail.pine ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:01:30 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 1.3 Elm Followup-To: comp.mail.elm In addition to the basic signature instructions in 1.0 above, users of Elm should edit their ~/.elm/elmrc file so that it contains the following: signature = ~/.signature sigdashes = ON Remember to delete any # characters before any variables you want to set. The defaults are indicated in comment lines starting with ###. Note that if you want to have a different signature for local mail (i.e., addresses that don't contain a ! or @) then you can use the localsignature and remotesignature variables instead of the signature variable (which specifies one sig for all mail). SEE ALSO ======== Elm FAQs: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/elm/top.html Elm Manual: elm(1) Newsgroup: comp.mail.elm ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:01:40 GMT From: Jym Dyer Subject: ... 1.4 Mail Followup-To: comp.mail.misc By Jym Dyer, 1 April 1994 =o= Regular Unix "Mail" and "mail" don't have an automatic signature mechanism. Many people who normally use a more deluxe mail utility occasionally find themselves resorting to using one of these, in which case all you need to know is this command: ~r $HOME/.signature This simply tells Mail to include the text of the your signature file. =o= If you use Mail on a regular basis you may want to use the semi-automatic signature feature. When you're done typing your message, you append a signature with this command: ~a =o= In order for this to work, though, you need to set the "sign" mail variable. There are two ways to implement this variable. The first is to set it in a $HOME/.mailrc file with a command like this: set sign="Jym Dyer " If your signature is more than one line long, you can use the C language string syntax, as in these examples: set sign="Jym Dyer\n" -or- set sign="Jym Dyer\ \n" =o= The disadvantage of doing this in your .mailrc file is that you now have to maintain the text of your signature in two places. Another approach that avoids this problem is to set "sign" as an environment variable in your shell startup script. For a Bourne-compatible shell, this is done with this command: sign="`cat $HOME/.signature`" export sign For a C-shell, do this: setenv sign "`cat $HOME/.signature`" SEE ALSO ======== Manual pages: mail(1) Newsgroup: comp.mail.misc ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:01:50 GMT From: Jym Dyer Subject: ... 1.5 Emacs Mail Mode By Jym Dyer, 1 April 1994 =o= Emacs Mail Mode is usually invoked with the "mail" or "mail-other-window" commands (bound, respectively, to the "C-x m" and "C-x 4 m" keys by default). It is also invoked from various Emacs mail and news packages. =o= Mail Mode provides a "mail-signature" command to append the contents of your signature file to the end of your mail message. This command is bound to "C-c C-w" by default, so to insert the signature before mailing, simply type "C-c "C-w". =o= If you'd prefer to have your signature automatically appended to the end of your mail message, the "mail-signature" command can be put into your "mail-setup-hook" variable in your $HOME/.emacs file, as in this example: (setq mail-setup-hook (function (lambda () (mail-signature) ))) This will put the signature in your mail message buffer. SEE ALSO ======== FAQ: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/GNU-Emacs-FAQ/part5/faq.html Newsgroups: gnus.emacs.help and comp.emacs ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:01:60 GMT From: Jym Dyer Subject: ... 1.6 MH and Emacs MH-E Followup-To: comp.mail.mh By Jym Dyer, 1 April 1994 =o= MH doesn't have an automatic signature mechanism, but it is so configurable that there are a number of different ways to implement one. Check the periodic "MH Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) with Answers" posting for details. =o= CAVEAT: If you use the environment variable SIGNATURE to point to your signature file, MH will use it not as a signature, but as your "fullname". Even worse, if your version of MH was built with the "UCI" option and you *don't* use the environment variable SIGNATURE to point to another file, MH will use the $HOME/.signature file for this purpose! To see if your version of MH has this behavior, enter this command: % send -help And look for the string "[UCI]" in the output. =o= There's an Emacs interface to MH, called MH-E. It has its own signature mechanism, which is invoked with the "mh-insert- signature" command (bound to the "C-c C-s" keys by default). =o= This will insert the file $HOME/.signature file by default. If your signature file has another name (e.g., to avoid its being used by an MH build with the "UCI" option), you can set the "mh-signature-file-name" variable to refer to a different file. SEE ALSO ======== MH FAQ: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/mh-faq/top.html MH Manual: mh(1) MH Newsgroup: comp.mail.mh ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:01:70 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 1.7 NN Followup-To: news.software.nn In addition to the basic signature instructions in 1.0 above, users of NN should edit their ~/.nn/init file so that it contains the following: set query-signature off set append-signature-mail on set append-signature-post offf Note that the reason that you need to ``set append-signature-post off'' is that the news posting software (usually inews) automatically appends ~/.signature if it exists. If you ``set append-signature-post on'' then both nn and inews append your sig and you'll send out two identical sigs every time. SEE ALSO ======== FAQ: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/nn-faq/top.html Manual: nn(1) Newsgroup: news.software.nn ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:01:80 GMT From: Mike Northam Subject: ... 1.8 GNUS Followup-To: gnu.emacs.gnus Copyright (c) 1994 Mike Northam In addition to the basic signature instructions in 1.0 above, users of GNUS should verify that the value of the variable gnus-signature-file points to the right place. If you're in emacs, you can do so by evaluating the following expression: gnus-signature-file ^ put your cursor here and type C-x C-e you should see "~/.signature" in the echo area. If not, edit your $HOME/.emacs file and add the following: (setq gnus-signature-file "~/.signature")) Then load your $HOME/.emacs file or merely restart emacs and the variable should be set correctly. SEE ALSO ======== FAQ: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/GNU-Emacs-FAQ/part5/faq.html Newsgroup: gnu.emacs.gnus ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:01:90 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 1.9 Troubleshooting Signature Problems A common problem people have with .signature (and .plan, .project, and .forward ) files is that the permissions are not set correctly. Check to make sure that you have set the permissions as instructed in 1.0 above. If you are still having problems read the man pages for your newsreader, news poster, or mailer and search for the string "signature". There may be a variable you need to set in order for the ~/.signature to be appended. Type... In order to... ------- -------------- man CommandName |less Open man pages for CommandName (elm, pine, nn, tin trn, Pnews, etc.) and pipe through less. If your system doesn't have less replace it with "more". /signature Search for first occurrence of "signature". n Search for next occurrence of "signature". Repeat the search until you find the appropriate section of the manual. u Page up half a screen. (This works in less but not in more.) [spacebar] Page down a screen. (This works in both less and more.) For more information on reading manual pages see the man(1), less(1), and/or more(1) man pages. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:02:00 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 2.0 Finger - Basic Unix Instructions People around the world can find out more about you by fingering you. This is done by typing the following at a Unix prompt: finger YourUserID@Your.Fully.Qualified.Domain.Name On some systems finger is linked to f so the following also works: f YourUserID@Your.Fully.Qualified.Domain.Name Finger displays different information on different systems. Often it will display your full name, your default shell, when your were last logged on, and your ~/.plan and ~/.project files. If you finger someone and the display takes more than one page you can pipe the output through less (or more if you don't have less). For example to find out about Halcyon, my Internet service provider, type: finger info@halcyon.com |less ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:02:10 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 2.1 URLs for Fingering In addition to using the finger or f command you can finger people through a Web browser. The following is a form that Doug Stevenson created: http://www.mps.ohio-state.edu/cgi-bin/finger.pl You can also use this URL: gopher://fully.qualified.domain.name:79/0userid ^ Note: 0 precedes the userid For example you can finger my Internet service provider with this URL: gopher://halcyon.com:79/0info ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:02:20 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 2.2 Changing Your Default Finger Info: chfn On many Unix systems you can change some of your default information, such as your full name, by typing the following at your Unix prompt: chfn If chfn is not available try "passwd -f". If neither of these are available then you will need to contact your system administrator and ask him/her to change your full name, etc. After you have changed your information check that they are in place by fingering yourself. Also to see a different display of your information type the following at your Unix prompt: finger This displays a one line description of everyone currently logged on your system. For more information see the chfn(1), passwd(1), and finger(1) man pages. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:02:30 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 2.3 Adding More to Your Finger Info: .plan & .project Your ~/.project and ~/.plan files, if they exist, are displayed when you are fingered. Setting these up is essentially the same as setting up a ~/.signature file (described in 1.0 above). Type... In order to... ------- -------------- cd Change to your home directory. pico .plan Use the pico editor to create a .plan file. (Replace "pico" with another editor if you like.) chmod 644 .plan Make .plan readable by all. ls -l .plan Check the permission: it should say -rw-r--r-- chmod +x . Make home directory searchable by all. ls -ld . Check permission of home dir: it should say drwx?-x?-x. The ?'s may be r's or hyphens or one of each. ls -la . Check permission of files in home dir. If any are world or group writable (?????w??w?) you'll probably want to change this by doing a "chmod go-w FileName". For more info on changing permissions see chmod man pages. If you want a .project file follow the same procedure. Note that only the first line of the .project is displayed (so you might as well only make it one line!). To test your changes finger yourself by type each of the following at your Unix prompt: finger YourUserID finger YourUserID@Your.Fully.Qualified.Domain.Name To ensure that people from other systems can finger you should ask someone who's not on your system to finger you too. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:02:40 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 2.4 Finding Out Who Fingers You This is complicated - and sometimes impossible - to setup. For details see the news.answers article ``Unix - Frequently Asked Questions (4/7) [Frequent posting]'', subject ``4.9) How do I keep track of people who are fingering me?'' This article is archived in a number of places including these two URLs: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/unix-faq/faq/part4/faq-doc-9.html ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/unix-faq/faq/part4 One easy thing that you can do to see if anyone has fingered you is type the following at your Unix prompt: ls -lu $HOME/.plan This tells you the last time someone accessed your .plan, but it doesn't tell you who it was. I have this in my .login because it's interesting to see when the last time someone was checking on me! [Note that under AFS (Andrew File System, a distributed filesystem), ls -lu $HOME/.plan will not work due to the fact that AFS has no notion of ``atime'', or ``last accessed time''.] ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:02:50 GMT From: Janet Rosenbaum Subject: ... 2.5 Backfinger Script Copyright (c) 1994 Janet Rosenbaum There is a script available called, among other things, backfinger, planner, and finger_logger (flogger or frogger, for short). This script makes your plan into a named pipe (just think of this as a sort of pipe used with plumbing that opens out onto the screen of the person who is fingering you (fred)) so that when it is accessed, it looks for a program from which to get something to stick on fred's screen. The script is called when you are fingered. At that moment, it looks to the finger port of your unix machine and sees which machine fred is on, logs that machine's IP number and hostname, and the date. The script can then execute a command to spit a plan out on fred's screen. (One might get creative and write a program that generates random poetry or use the fortune program or just do "cat plan_file".) To make fred think you are really cool, it also tells him what machine he is fingering you from. Some caveats: -- This program must be running at all times on your system even when you are logged out. Leaving a background process like this annoys most sys admins to no end, especially on systems with high load. Do **not** run the program unless you are sure that you are allowed to run background processes like this. -- Also, if you decide you want to stop running this program, remove your .plan file as soon as you kill the process. If you do not do this, all finger processes for you will hang. -- This script only tells you the machine fred is fingering you from, not his actual username. It is nearly impossible to get this information except at sites with bad security. Given the above, I will distribute the script to those who can use it, mostly for educational reasons. I admit that I no longer run the program, since my two main accounts are on rather high-load systems. Nevertheless, I learned quite a lot from modifying these scripts and otherwise playing with these ideas. Here is the web site: http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~jrosen/scripts/logger.src I will also try to post this answer and the program to comp.sources.misc at least monthly for those without web access. (For those who have not figured out the web, try the program lynx if you are on a vt100 or vt220 type terminal. If you are on an xterm or hpterm, look for xmosaic.) Note: I am not the author of this program. The version I distribute is virtually identical to that distributed by Steve Franklin. Here are the real authors: Author: Tony Rems Modifications by Geoff Loker More modifications by Karen Bruner Even more modifications by Norman Franke More revisions by Steve Franklin Llamas and minor revision by The Blue One Enjoy! Janet ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:02:60 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 2.6 Interesting Places to Finger Scott Yanoff's "Updated Internet Services List" contains a number of interesting places to finger. If you access it through the following URL all the finger commands are links. http://www.uwm.edu/Mirror/inet.services.html ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:03:00 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 3.0 Putting Ascii Art in your Signature and Finger Files , \ / , / \ )\__/( / \ / \ (_\ /_) / \ ____/_____\__\@ @/___/_____\____ | |\../| | | \VV/ | | HAPPY HALLOWEEN! | |_________________________________| | /\ / \\ \ /\ | | / V )) V \ | |/ ` // ' \| Art by Jorn Barger ` V ' It is considered good netiquette to keep your signature to four lines or less. And many news posters, like inews, will not post an article that has a signature with more than four lines in it. So, put large pictures, your life story, etc. in your finger files or in your Web pages and point people to them in your signature. A good source of art for your signature and finger files is the ascii art FAQ which contains (among others) these topics: 9 Where can I find ASCII art? 22 How do I put an animation in my plan? 23 How do I make a sig? 24 How do I have my sig automatically added to my posts and email? The Ascii Art FAQ can be found at either of the following. (I think these aren't the same so you might want to look at both of them.) http://gagme.wwa.com/~boba/faq.html http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/ascii-art-faq/faq.html One particularly good place to find ascii art is: http://gagme.wwa.com/~boba/scarecrow.html SEE ALSO ======== Newsgroups: rec.arts.ascii, alt.ascii-art, alt.binaries.pictures.ascii and alt.ascii-art.animation ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:04:00 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 4.0 Organization Header The Organization header in news and mail messages is another way you can tell people about yourself. It is an optional header described in section 2.2.8 of RFC1036, "Standard for Interchange of Usenet Messages." ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:04:10 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 4.1 Tin and the RN Family Followup-To: news.newusers.questions Tin and the rn family of tools (Pnews, rn, trn, strn) get information for the Organization header from the ORGANIZATION environment variable if it exists. In the csh or tcsh you can set this variable in your ~/.login with a line like this: setenv ORGANIZATION "Your Organization Name" After you edit your ~/.login you can establish the setting by either logging out and loggin back in or by typing the following at your Unix prompt: source ~/.login To check that the variable is set type: printenv After it is set, post a test message to a local test newsgroup with local distribution to check that the Organization header is correct. SEE ALSO ======== Manual Pages: tin(1), Pnews(1), rn(1), trn(1), strn(1) Newsgroup: news.newusers.questions ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:04:20 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 4.2 Pine 3.90 and Above Followup-To: comp.mail.pine In Pine 3.90 or above you set the Organization and other headers using the customized-hdrs variable. 1. From the Main Menu type s for Setup 2. Type c for Configuration 3. To change the value of the customized-hdrs variable: a) Space bar and arrow down to the customized-hdrs variable. b) Type a for Add Value c) At the prompt type: Organization: Your Organization Name Note that if you have set the ORGANIZATION environment variable (which is described in 4.1 above) you can type: Organization: $ORGANIZATION While reading a message that you've received you can view the Organization header and all the other headers by typing h. If h does not work you need to go to your configuration menu and set the enable-full-header-cmd variable. Note that the customized-hdrs variable is not available in Pine 3.89 and below. SEE ALSO ======== Pine FAQ: http://www.cac.washington.edu/pine/faq/ ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/docs/faq Pine Manual: pine(1) Pine Newsgroup: comp.mail.pine ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:04:30 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 4.3 Elm Followup-To: comp.mail.elm Use your editor to create a file named ~/.elm/elmheaders that contains any headers you'd like in your outgoing mail messages. For example, my ~/.elm/elmheaders file contains this one line: Organization: Infinite Ink, Seattle, WA, USA SEE ALSO ======== Elm FAQs: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/elm/top.html Elm Manual: elm(1) Newsgroup: comp.mail.elm ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:04:40 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 4.4 NN Followup-To: news.software.nn Use your editor to put the following lines in your ~/.nn/init file: set news-header Organization: Your Organization Name set mail-header Organization: Your Organization Name This will add the Organization header to both news and mail messages sent from NN. While reading messages with NN you can view the Organization line by adding O (the letter "oh") to your header-lines variable setting. I like the following setting: set header-lines AFOnWK*Y SEE ALSO ======== FAQ: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/nn-faq/top.html Manual: nn(1) Newsgroup: news.software.nn ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:05:00 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 5.0 Contributing to this FAQ If you have any corrections, suggestions, or new digest items to contribute to this FAQ please send them to me at nancym@ii.com. If you are reading this with a viewer that understands the following URL you can use it to send me mail: mailto:nancym@ii.com End of signature_finger_faq Digest ********************************** -- /\_/\ ( o.o ) Nancy McGough | http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ > ^ < Infinite Ink | ftp://ftp.ii.com/pub/ii From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 3 15:35:22 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08617; Thu, 3 Nov 94 15:35:22 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09031; Thu, 3 Nov 94 15:28:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from gwis2.circ.gwu.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09025; Thu, 3 Nov 94 15:28:50 -0800 Received: (from tm1@localhost) by gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id RAA29707; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 17:34:23 -0500 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 17:34:21 -0500 (EST) From: Tin-Mala Subject: Upgrading to 3.91 -newbie Q To: David L Miller Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This is so basic that I hesitate to ask it on a listserv, but how does one get the update installed and running on a pc? We have a Pine update menu for 3.91 with instructions, and a PKUNZIP.exe. What file does one select for a Solaris2.3, and what does one do with it and the PKUNZIP *after* they've been saved to a pine folder? Help! * * Tin-Mala * * * * * * Tel: 202-994-8637 * I virtually live in cyberspace * Fax: 301-365-3666 * * E-mail: tm1@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu * From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 4 01:20:21 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24124; Fri, 4 Nov 94 01:20:21 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19810; Fri, 4 Nov 94 01:12:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from leeman.york.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19804; Fri, 4 Nov 94 01:12:18 -0800 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by leeman.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <11381-0@leeman.york.ac.uk>; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 09:09:31 +0000 Received: by tower.york.ac.uk (940715.SGI.52/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) for @leeman.york.ac.uk:pine-info@cac.washington.edu id AA22870; Fri, 4 Nov 94 09:12:32 GMT Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 09:12:31 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Brudenell To: "Richard L. Hamilton" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine running wild when user's session disconnected In-Reply-To: <3979mu$ha7@romulus.ncsc.mil> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Yes, we've seen similar behaviour (a looping Pine) here on our SGI platforms. Interestingly, some sessions go into tight CPU burning loops, whilst others just sit clocking up about a seconf od CPU every eleapsed minute or so. I haven't managed to isolate what people did to get into that state. I have also had similar problems with imapd's, which may point the finger elsewhere as well/instead of the source you suggest. Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Phone: +44-1904-433811 FAX: +44-1904-432767 On 2 Nov 1994, Richard L. Hamilton wrote: > I've noticed pine processes associated with users whose sessions > ended with either a non-zero return code or a hangup signal running > wild, i.e. apparently looping to no particular end, and eating CPU time > (some hours after the login session had been terminated). > > I've got a wild guess that where it is looping is line 392 of > pine3.91/pine/ttyin.c, i.e.: > > if(errno == EINTR) > return(NO_OP_COMMAND); > > Now, since errno is *not* cleared by successful calls, there is currently > no way to know whether this test is being satisfied as a consequence of > the read() call on line 381, that is: > > res = read(STDIN_FD, &c, 1); > > If my wild guess is right, adding: > > errno = 0; > > *before* the read() call in line 381 should take care of it. > > Now for the bottom line: > > 1. has anyone had similar problems? > > 2. any comments on the possible explanation/fix? > > FYI, this is happening on a system running DG/UX ("./build d-g"). > And the printer problems are happening there too, not that I think > that relates to the problem I'm bringing up. > -- > I compute, therefore I am. > My opinions are strictly by own, and should not be construed to represent > anyone else. > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 4 07:55:58 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03657; Fri, 4 Nov 94 07:55:58 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23490; Fri, 4 Nov 94 07:46:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23480; Fri, 4 Nov 94 07:46:49 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r3IJE-000021C; Thu, 3 Nov 94 22:39 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: markstep@engin.umich.edu (Mark A. Stephan) Subject: pine 3.91 .addressbook problem Date: 3 Nov 1994 21:31:27 GMT Message-Id: <39bkrg$ms2@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> I have had some problems as of late with pine 3.91 and it recognising my .addressbook We upgraded recently from pine v3.07 and everything worked fine. except now for some reason, i can't get into my .addressbook I can get into it using pine 3.07 just by typing "a" from the main menu. when i type "a" from pine 3.91 i don't get my addressbook...it just says "empty" The configurations that i have are: address-book = ~/.addressbook [X] expanded-view-of-addressbooks and that's it. my .addressbook is indeed at /home/markstep/.addressbook and that does show up when the "empty" addressbook shows up:: [Now in addressbook /home/markstep/.addressbook] any suggestions? desparately yours, mark -- Mark Stephan The University of Michigan markstep@engin.umich.edu computer engineering @chgdss10.chgd.med.umich.edu The U of M Solar Car Team From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 4 07:57:46 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03694; Fri, 4 Nov 94 07:57:46 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23468; Fri, 4 Nov 94 07:46:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23458; Fri, 4 Nov 94 07:46:19 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r3FP8-00000EC; Thu, 3 Nov 94 19:33 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Problem with Pine 3.91 & ISO-8859-1 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 11:40:10 -0800 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Use the "Report Bug" command to forward one of the problem messages to pine-bugs. Well take a look to see what the problem might be... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 1 Nov 1994, Mats Akerberg wrote: > Date: Tue, 1 NOV 1994 15:56:04 GMT > From: Mats Akerberg > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Problem with Pine 3.91 & ISO-8859-1 > > Hi! > > I have pine 3.91, Solaris 2.3 (I use the precompiled one)! > > And I have the following set > > character-set = ISO-8859-1 > > When I get a MIME mail from a friend using some other mailer than > PINE. I can read all the nice 8 bit ISO characters. > > But when I do a REPLY to his mail, the characters in my quoting looks like > =E5 and so on. > > The header in his mail looks like: > > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----- =_aaaaaaaaaa0" > > ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Is it a bug? Or did I miss something in my configuration? > > Thanks > > /Mats > -- > Mats Akerberg (mats@exodata.se) > Exo Data AB > Snail: Box 8312 S-163 08 Spanga Sweden > Phone: + 46 8 795 98 30 FAX: + 46 8 36 55 78 > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 4 08:03:16 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03929; Fri, 4 Nov 94 08:03:16 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23476; Fri, 4 Nov 94 07:46:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23470; Fri, 4 Nov 94 07:46:36 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r3I3r-000018C; Thu, 3 Nov 94 22:23 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: .forward problem... Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 10:16:29 -0800 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: If the servers at A and B have IMAP services enabled, you can configure Pine to access the remote folder as a secondary INBOX (i.e. incoming-folder). Then you don't have to worry about the duplication of forwarding... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 1 Nov 1994, //arcus La// wrote: > Date: Tue, 1 NOV 1994 03:30:24 GMT > From: //arcus La// > Newgroups: comp.mail.elm, comp.mail.pine > Subject: .forward problem... > > Hello All, > > I have a simple problem. Currently I have 2 mail addresses, say A and B. > The problem is, how could I forward my incoming mails at A to B WITHOUT > deleting them at A? That is, I can still read at A? > Thanks! > -- > ----------------------- Repent, for the kingdom of the heavens has drawn nigh! > Marcus Lam Wing Chuen > Internet: wclam@cs.cuhk.hk or maranatha@cuhk.hk > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Matthew 4:17 > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 4 08:03:48 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03966; Fri, 4 Nov 94 08:03:48 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23524; Fri, 4 Nov 94 07:47:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23518; Fri, 4 Nov 94 07:47:28 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r3J0s-00002GC; Thu, 3 Nov 94 23:24 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jal@summit.novell.com (J. A. Lind) Subject: Re: Anyone build pine3.91 for UnixWare yet? Date: 3 Nov 1994 21:41:47 GMT Message-Id: <39bler$dro@bird.summit.novell.com> References: <396l8r$kv8@inxs.ncren.net> <396olo$lma@inxs.ncren.net> <3992bh$nlm@bud.peinet.pe.ca> Kevin MacRae (krman@krman.peinet.pe.ca) wrote: : In article <396olo$lma@inxs.ncren.net>, mdiehn@warren-wilson.edu (Michael J. Diehn (mike)) writes: : |> <<< SNIP >>> : |> : |> cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"SV4\" -c addrbook.c : |> "/usr/include/stdlib.h", line 71: identifier redeclared: system : |> "/usr/include/unistd.h", line 169: identifier redeclared: rename : I had the same problem. It stems from including stdio.h : fix : edit /usr/include/stdlib.h : BEFORE the line : extern int system(con char *); : type : #if !defined(_STDIO_H) : then after the extern int system.... line : type : #endif : Repeat for unistd.h except find the line rename : Novell, : Is this a bug in the header? No, its not a bug in the header and your fix is incorrect. The problem is not that stdio.h and stdlib.h both have a (compatible) declaration for system(), but that if ANSI is not defined, one of Pine's headers has an incompatible declaration of system(). See the other postings on this today, or a posting I made in response to someone else about pine a week or two ago. Jeff Lind Novell, Inc. UNIX Systems Group jal@summit.novell.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 4 08:06:20 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04045; Fri, 4 Nov 94 08:06:20 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23444; Fri, 4 Nov 94 07:45:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23438; Fri, 4 Nov 94 07:45:08 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r3H3n-00000NC; Thu, 3 Nov 94 21:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bruceb@efn.org (Bruce Berryhill) Subject: Re: How to I save the whole folder? Message-Id: References: Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 19:49:57 GMT If you set enable-aggragate-command-set, in Setup Config, you get some more commands. ;-select, A-apply and one more. You can then ;-select all the messages you want to save to a file and A-apply E-export all the selected messages to a file. You lose all the headers this way, which can be good for a mailing list you just want to read. If you need the headers, just download the folder file. -- -bruceb From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 4 08:06:49 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04088; Fri, 4 Nov 94 08:06:49 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23620; Fri, 4 Nov 94 07:49:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23614; Fri, 4 Nov 94 07:49:55 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r3Pzg-00003LC; Fri, 4 Nov 94 06:51 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Ian Russell Ollmann Subject: Not quite Assume-slow-link Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 17:04:40 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I remember (at least I think I do) back when pine seemed to "know" whether it was being used over a modem or not and adjusted its "slow-link" setting accordingly. Never versions don't seem to do so anymore. I (and other less computer literate people in my group) call in on a modem as often as we check our mail on the terminal. Is there a way to get the newer versions of pine to check to se if we are logged on via a modem? I'm sure it can be done via a series of environent variables, csh resource files, etc., but I'd rather set up just one command for both environments. Ian Ollmann From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 4 08:09:10 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04164; Fri, 4 Nov 94 08:09:10 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23602; Fri, 4 Nov 94 07:49:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23596; Fri, 4 Nov 94 07:49:35 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r3P7H-00003BC; Fri, 4 Nov 94 05:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Bob Little Subject: Re: problem printing Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 19:11:39 -0500 Message-Id: References: <39bnn3$nev@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <39bnn3$nev@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> I am having the same problem using Windows Terminal, dialing in. I have tried the "Preserve-stop-start" option to no avail. After closing the session, then Windows dumps pages of garbage to the printer. Only happens with 3.91. Hmmmm. When attached to a LAN, it's not an issue. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Robert Little, Director | __|__ |rlittle@eagle.lhup.edu Computing Center | --------(*)-------- |Piper Arrow II N32429 Lock Haven University | " " |"Time Flies, Go Fast!" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > When we print out a message to "1" "attached-to-ansi", it will cause our > local printer to start flashing (print coming) and then stop...no print-out > I was wondering if any of you gurus had any brilliant ideas about this, > or if anybody got this problem! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 4 08:09:19 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04185; Fri, 4 Nov 94 08:09:19 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23532; Fri, 4 Nov 94 07:47:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23526; Fri, 4 Nov 94 07:47:34 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r3K5c-00000rC; Fri, 4 Nov 94 00:33 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cisitm@albert.cad.cea.fr Subject: cmsg cancel <39b3ec$atq@anemone.saclay.cea.fr> Control: cancel <39b3ec$atq@anemone.saclay.cea.fr> Date: 03 Nov 1994 17:32:12 EDT Message-Id: This spam has been cancelled. Comments to: na48985@anon.penet.fi. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 4 08:09:22 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04199; Fri, 4 Nov 94 08:09:22 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23586; Fri, 4 Nov 94 07:49:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23580; Fri, 4 Nov 94 07:49:26 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r3NBd-00002oC; Fri, 4 Nov 94 03:52 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: steinarb@falch.no (Steinar Bang) Subject: [Q] Pine folder format Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 11:24:05 GMT Platform: Sparc, SunOs 4.1.3, Pine 3.90 I assumed that Pine used the Unix mail "From" format for its folders. However, it fails to open mail folders created with the Emacs MUA VM 5.72, so my assumption would seem to have been wrong. So, what format does it use? --
Support your local DoD chapter. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 4 08:09:53 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04257; Fri, 4 Nov 94 08:09:53 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23578; Fri, 4 Nov 94 07:49:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23572; Fri, 4 Nov 94 07:49:19 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r3LX9-00002nC; Fri, 4 Nov 94 02:06 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Macgician@monroe.ocis.temple.edu (Macgician!) Subject: Re: Help with "Select-without-confirm" Option Date: Thu, 03 Nov 1994 14:09:09 -0500 Message-Id: References: <1994Nov3.102811.9656@iglou.com> In article <1994Nov3.102811.9656@iglou.com>, werner@iglou.iglou.com (Craig Werner) wrote: + When I read a message and type "e" to export the message, I am asked for + a filename regardless of how I have set the "select-without-confirm" + If I understand the help screen for this option under the configuration + section, enabling "select-without-confirm" shouldn't allow for any + editing of a filename. What i fail to understand here, is how should Pine know what filename to give for the mail you are exporting. Let's say I do set a filename for two messages to be exported one after another. So assuming this feature works, the second time i export, it should do it automatically without prompting for a filename. If this happens then how does the export work meaning....whether the file gets overwritten or appended to? =========================================================================== FEATURE: select-without-confirm This feature controls an aspect of Pine's Save, Export, and Goto commands. These commands all take text input to specify the name of the folder or file to be used, but allow you to press ^T for a list of possible names. If set, the selected name will be used immediately, without further opportunity to confirm or edit the name. =========================================================================== -- @|\@@ Macgician@monroe.temple.edu http://monroe.temple.edu - @@@@ These views are Orders in Pride Land, where no Hyenas live. /7 @@@@ Mophusa: Everything that the light touches is mine. / @@@@@@ Simbha : Everything, hmmm..what about the Dark Side. \-' @@@@@@@@`-________________ -@@@@@@@@@ Lion King / \ _____/ /_ ______/ |_____- /,________/ `-.___/,__________-----_) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 4 08:09:55 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04263; Fri, 4 Nov 94 08:09:55 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23512; Fri, 4 Nov 94 07:47:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23506; Fri, 4 Nov 94 07:47:07 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r3IRF-00002EC; Thu, 3 Nov 94 22:47 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tconrad@owlnet.rice.edu (T.K. Conrad) Subject: Pine as offline reader? Date: 3 Nov 1994 17:39:53 GMT Message-Id: <39b799$q99@larry.rice.edu> I would like to be able to read/send mail offline, but I do not have a POP account. I was just wondering if there was a way to use Pine as part of an offline reading system with my PC using a SLIP connection. Thanks in advance, T.K. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 4 08:10:31 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04307; Fri, 4 Nov 94 08:10:31 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23612; Fri, 4 Nov 94 07:49:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23606; Fri, 4 Nov 94 07:49:40 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r3PHq-00003FC; Fri, 4 Nov 94 06:06 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: d93matkr@idun.lysator.liu.se. (MATS KRONBERG) Subject: Pine for VMS Date: 04 Nov 1994 13:06:34 GMT Message-Id: Where can I find Pine for VMS? System: VAX 8530 running O/VMS 6.0 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 4 08:10:57 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04328; Fri, 4 Nov 94 08:10:57 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23594; Fri, 4 Nov 94 07:49:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23588; Fri, 4 Nov 94 07:49:28 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r3NGn-000038C; Fri, 4 Nov 94 03:57 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Help with "Select-without-confirm" Option Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 11:43:18 -0800 Message-Id: References: <1994Nov3.102811.9656@iglou.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <1994Nov3.102811.9656@iglou.com> select-without-confirm refers to the confirmation prompt after selecting a file with ^T, not after typing the file name. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Thu, 3 Nov 1994, Craig Werner wrote: > Date: Thu, 3 NOV 1994 10:28:11 GMT > From: Craig Werner > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Help with "Select-without-confirm" Option > > > Hello, everyone. > > I'm having difficulty understanding the "select-without-confirm" option > in Pine 3.91. I'd appreciate some help, please. > > When I read a message and type "e" to export the message, I am asked for > a filename regardless of how I have set the "select-without-confirm" option. > If I understand the help screen for this option under the configuration > section, enabling "select-without-confirm" shouldn't allow for any editing > of a filename. I think I must be dense, but I'm stuck. I have checked > the release notes and can find no help. > > Thanks for any help you can give. > > Craig Werner > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 4 09:18:14 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07271; Fri, 4 Nov 94 09:18:14 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23560; Fri, 4 Nov 94 07:48:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23552; Fri, 4 Nov 94 07:48:47 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r3KlW-00002kC; Fri, 4 Nov 94 01:16 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: markstep@engin.umich.edu (Mark A. Stephan) Subject: problem printing Date: 3 Nov 1994 22:20:19 GMT Message-Id: <39bnn3$nev@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> SORRY if this has been solved and posted and re-posted about, but i havn't reading the net for a while, and don't know about it... anyways... When we print out a message to "1" "attached-to-ansi", it will cause our local printer to start flashing (print coming) and then stop...no print-out I was wondering if any of you gurus had any brilliant ideas about this, or if anybody got this problem! MTIA (major thanks in advance) email appreciated! -mark -- Mark Stephan The University of Michigan markstep@engin.umich.edu computer engineering @chgdss10.chgd.med.umich.edu The U of M Solar Car Team From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 4 09:31:41 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07871; Fri, 4 Nov 94 09:31:41 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27184; Fri, 4 Nov 94 09:19:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from gatekeeper.sial.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27168; Fri, 4 Nov 94 09:19:53 -0800 Received: from localhost (schuchas@localhost) by gatekeeper.sial.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) id LAA01022; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 11:10:18 -0600 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 11:10:18 -0600 (CST) From: Stanley Schuchat To: Bob Little Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: problem printing In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII When I print from a Telnet window in MS-Windows, using the "Y" command, The output consists of one line with no carrige returns, using most printers. Using the "text" printer in MS-Windows the print starts OK, but only prints 80 or so characters, with carriage returns handled correctly. I am using Chameleon 3.11N as my PPP connection and my Telnet app. Anyone solved this problem? _______________________________________________________________________ Stanley Schuchat | Sigma Chemical Company Analyst, Competition Department | 3050 Spruce, St Louis, MO 63103 schuchas@spruce.sial.com | (314)771-5765 x2624 On Thu, 3 Nov 1994, Bob Little wrote: > > I am having the same problem using Windows Terminal, dialing in. I have > tried the "Preserve-stop-start" option to no avail. After closing the > session, then Windows dumps pages of garbage to the printer. Only > happens with 3.91. Hmmmm. > > When attached to a LAN, it's not an issue. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Robert Little, Director | __|__ |rlittle@eagle.lhup.edu > Computing Center | --------(*)-------- |Piper Arrow II N32429 > Lock Haven University | " " |"Time Flies, Go Fast!" > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > When we print out a message to "1" "attached-to-ansi", it will cause our > > local printer to start flashing (print coming) and then stop...no print-out > > I was wondering if any of you gurus had any brilliant ideas about this, > > or if anybody got this problem! > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 4 10:47:28 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12111; Fri, 4 Nov 94 10:47:28 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29178; Fri, 4 Nov 94 10:35:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29172; Fri, 4 Nov 94 10:35:19 -0800 Via: uk.ac.durham; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 17:42:32 +0000 Received: from venus.dur.ac.uk by durham.ac.uk; Fri, 4 Nov 94 17:42:02 GMT Received: from hercules (hercules.dur.ac.uk) by venus.dur.ac.uk; Fri, 4 Nov 94 15:53:03 GMT Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 15:52:57 +0000 (GMT) From: Barry Cornelius To: Richard Hamilton , Mike Brudenell Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine running wild when user's session disconnected In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1829 On 2 Nov 1994, Richard L. Hamilton wrote: > I've noticed pine processes associated with users whose sessions > ended with either a non-zero return code or a hangup signal running > wild, i.e. apparently looping to no particular end, and eating CPU time > (some hours after the login session had been terminated). > Now for the bottom line: > 1. has anyone had similar problems? > 2. any comments on the possible explanation/fix? > FYI, this is happening on a system running DG/UX ("./build d-g"). On 4 Nov 1994, Mike Brudenell wrote: > Yes, we've seen similar behaviour (a looping Pine) here on our SGI platforms. > Interestingly, some sessions go into tight CPU burning loops, whilst > others just sit clocking up about a seconf od CPU every eleapsed minute > or so. I haven't managed to isolate what people did to get into that state. In 3.90, we had a lot of runaway processes on SunOS 5.3 but none on our HP-UX 9000/{710,730,750} boxes (that I recall). Since 3.91, most of our problems have been with left-over dormant processes that don't eat up time. All of these have appeared with HP-UX 9.01 (but not with SunOS 5.3). We currently have about 12 HP-UX workstations with such processes. If another user tries to run a Pine session, then on 10 of the 12 this is OK whereas on the other 2 it led to an error message like: Pid Killed Text I/O modification or some words like that. I have just killed processes on the two whereas I have done nothing with the 10 yet (as they are relatively harmless!). -- Barry Cornelius Telephone: (0191 or +44 191) 374 4717 IT Service, Science Site, IT Service Office: (0191 or +44 191) 374 2892 University of Durham, Fax: (0191 or +44 191) 374 3741 Durham, DH1 3LE, UK E-mail: Barry.Cornelius@durham.ac.uk From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 4 11:10:21 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13575; Fri, 4 Nov 94 11:10:21 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27995; Fri, 4 Nov 94 10:57:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27989; Fri, 4 Nov 94 10:57:35 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r3Sdz-000006C; Fri, 4 Nov 94 09:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: phl@cyways.com (Peter H. Lemieux) Subject: PC-Pine slow over Ethernet Date: 4 Nov 1994 17:21:53 GMT Message-Id: <39dqjh$be4@sundog.tiac.net> I have some users running PC-Pine with their mail stored on a Linux host running imapd. Access to their inboxes is incredibly slow, often up to a minute or more, despite being connected over ethernet. Occasionally also get repeated ICMP errors which are eventually followed by the prompt to log into the mailbox. Why is this so slow and what can I do about it? Unix users who telnet into the Linux host have no such problems (but then their mail is on the same box). Peter Please reply by email. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. Peter H. Lemieux, President cyways, inc Voice: +1 (617) 924-7991 203 Arlington Street Fax: +1 (617) 926-8440 Watertown, MA 02172-2036 Internet: phl@cyways.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 4 11:41:35 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15107; Fri, 4 Nov 94 11:41:35 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29699; Fri, 4 Nov 94 10:57:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29693; Fri, 4 Nov 94 10:57:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r3T2U-000008C; Fri, 4 Nov 94 10:07 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Sharon Kraft Subject: bug in Pine 3.91 for some pine.conf vars and a fix Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 16:25:33 -0500 Message-Id: References: <393p67$1ld@nntp1.u.washington.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <393p67$1ld@nntp1.u.washington.edu> I had already known about the new bug in Pine that broke the local sending of bugs mail and had fixed that by updating the os-xxx file, but of course that wasn't the real problem. (Figured U Wash. really would not like to get questions from our thousands of users.) Since I always use my own printer, I hadn't noticed that the standard-printer defined in our local /usr/local/lib/pine.conf wasn't working either. That was more critical to us since tons of users print to our central printer which we want by default defined as 2-up printing and it's own queue. The real fix was to a few of those pesky lines of code added to init.c between Pine 3.90 and Pine 3.91. It jumps out of the loop for "user controlled variables" even when it's processing pine.conf or pine.conf.fixed . The fix was simply to move the continue statement inside the if . Here's the diff (at line 2097, etc in the code): -------------- tk>diff init.c init.c.original 2097d2096 < continue; 2098a2098 > continue; tk> -------------- Hope this helps anyone with the same problem. - Sharon Kraft __________________________________________________________________________ | "How can organized large-scale structures function when the atoms that | | make them up are swimming in an ocean of chaos? How can stable | | patterns of behavior arise in a fundamentally chaotic world? " | | | | "does Chaos rule the Cosmos?" - Ian Stewart (1992, Univ. of Warwick) | | | | slk@christa.unh.edu s_kraft@unhn.unh.edu | | slk@kepler.unh.edu slk@snakes.unh.edu | |__________________________________________________________________________| From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 4 12:47:57 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17790; Fri, 4 Nov 94 12:47:57 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29942; Fri, 4 Nov 94 12:24:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29936; Fri, 4 Nov 94 12:24:32 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r3UeK-00000AC; Fri, 4 Nov 94 11:50 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jph@panix.com (James P. Huggins) Subject: Re: XON/XOFF Problems via modem Date: 4 Nov 1994 14:33:57 -0500 Message-Id: <39e2b5$o5s@panix.com> References: <39dpd3$9or@inxs.ncren.net> In <39dpd3$9or@inxs.ncren.net> mdiehn@warren-wilson.edu (Michael J. Diehn (mike)) writes: >When my users login on the dialin lines at 2400 baud and then run pine3.91, >they get scrambled screen displays and see messages telling them XON >received, see preserve-start-stop setting in Setup/Config. >Any idea what is causing this or how to fix it? I have the XON rec'd see preservr-etc message too, but it doesn't mess up the screen, but is bothersome. What does cause this. I looked at preserve-start-stop, but didn't see anything relevant. Jim -- Jim Huggins jph@panix.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 4 16:09:56 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28129; Fri, 4 Nov 94 16:09:56 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06924; Fri, 4 Nov 94 16:04:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06916; Fri, 4 Nov 94 16:04:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r3YJl-000006C; Fri, 4 Nov 94 15:45 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Jorge Paramo Subject: filter Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 10:53:22 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi there; I know this has been discussed before, but I cannot find it. Is there a way to filter msgs from certain people so they don't reach the inbox? - I am using Pine 3.90 (Adm will not update). Any ideas suggestions will be greatly eppreciated. Thank You, Jorge. _________________________________________________________________________ "We are all novices. | Internet: paramoj@river.it.gvsu.edu Only the dead have | paramoj@erie.csis.gvsu.edu nothing left to learn." | GRAND VALLEY STATE UNIVERSITY From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 4 16:50:21 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29766; Fri, 4 Nov 94 16:50:21 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06236; Fri, 4 Nov 94 16:44:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06230; Fri, 4 Nov 94 16:44:52 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r3Yti-000008C; Fri, 4 Nov 94 16:22 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cgra@loc.gov Subject: Pine Mail Listserv? Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 18:06:17 Message-Id: A colleague at the Library of Congress has been unable to post to comp.mail.pine, although he is able to receive all the messages. We will try to work out this problem, but -- in the meantime -- is comp.mail.pine ONLY a Usenet newsgroup, or does it have a corresponding listserv or e-mail discussion group access? Cheryl Graunke CRS - Library of Congress cgra@loc.gov From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 4 17:35:15 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02343; Fri, 4 Nov 94 17:35:15 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08816; Fri, 4 Nov 94 17:30:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08810; Fri, 4 Nov 94 17:29:58 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r3Zfm-000008C; Fri, 4 Nov 94 17:12 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: laurentb@blin.interax.net (Laurent Blin) Subject: Problem accessing remote SMTP server Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 15:35:24 GMT Message-Id: I currenlty PPP to my SMTP server and use popcli to access my mail. I would like to start using pine, but my account has a password. Is is possible to specify a password in .pinerc? I've tried to write a script to get my mail using popcli and place it in my inbox but pine gives me a corrupted folder message. The format of the mail header info is very similar to that of pine mail with slight diffs eg. lacking the following --> Content-Type: text Content-Length: 48 Status: RO X-Status: Could I add this info to my mail or is there an easier way to solve this? Laurent Blin (laurentb@blin.interax.net) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 4 18:05:58 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03379; Fri, 4 Nov 94 18:05:58 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07754; Fri, 4 Nov 94 17:55:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07748; Fri, 4 Nov 94 17:55:04 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r3a08-000006C; Fri, 4 Nov 94 17:33 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Pine Mail Listserv? Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 17:15:54 -0800 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: comp.mail.pine is bi-directionally gatewayed with pine-info@cac.washington.edu. Feel free to post via pine-info and read via comp.mail.pine. To subscribe to pine-info, send a message to majordomo@cac.washington.edu with "subscribe pine-info" in the body of the message... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 4 Nov 1994 cgra@loc.gov wrote: > Date: Fri, 4 NOV 1994 18:06:17 > From: cgra@loc.gov > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Pine Mail Listserv? > > A colleague at the Library of Congress has been unable to post to > comp.mail.pine, although he is able to receive all the messages. > > We will try to work out this problem, but -- in the meantime -- is > comp.mail.pine ONLY a Usenet newsgroup, or does it have a corresponding > listserv or e-mail discussion group access? > > Cheryl Graunke > CRS - Library of Congress > cgra@loc.gov > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 4 18:24:44 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03790; Fri, 4 Nov 94 18:24:44 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09681; Fri, 4 Nov 94 18:20:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09675; Fri, 4 Nov 94 18:20:11 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r3aO7-000006C; Fri, 4 Nov 94 17:57 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mdiehn@warren-wilson.edu (Michael J. Diehn (mike)) Subject: XON/XOFF Problems via modem Date: 4 Nov 1994 17:01:23 GMT Message-Id: <39dpd3$9or@inxs.ncren.net> When my users login on the dialin lines at 2400 baud and then run pine3.91, they get scrambled screen displays and see messages telling them XON received, see preserve-start-stop setting in Setup/Config. Any idea what is causing this or how to fix it? Thanks, Mike. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Michael J. Diehn --\\-- mdiehn@warren-wilson.edu Warren Wilson College --//-- Swannanoa, NC (USA) --\\-- Don't just do something! Sit there! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 4 18:30:16 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03916; Fri, 4 Nov 94 18:30:16 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09645; Fri, 4 Nov 94 18:18:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09639; Fri, 4 Nov 94 18:18:21 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15047; Fri, 4 Nov 94 18:18:15 -0800 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 18:18:12 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: "James P. Huggins" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: XON/XOFF Problems via modem In-Reply-To: <39e2b5$o5s@panix.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 4 Nov 1994, James P. Huggins wrote: > In <39dpd3$9or@inxs.ncren.net> mdiehn@warren-wilson.edu (Michael J. Diehn (mike)) writes: > > >When my users login on the dialin lines at 2400 baud and then run pine3.91, > >they get scrambled screen displays and see messages telling them XON > >received, see preserve-start-stop setting in Setup/Config. > > >Any idea what is causing this or how to fix it? > > > I have the XON rec'd see preservr-etc message too, but it doesn't mess up > the screen, but is bothersome. What does cause this. I looked at > preserve-start-stop, but didn't see anything relevant. Jim and Michael, The "irrelevant" feature you mention is *intended* to fix exactly the problem you describe... If it does not, please let us know. The cause of recurring XON/XOFF messages is that either your communication software or your modem or your site's modem or its terminal server is configured for "software flow control", by which Unix and Pine receive an XOFF when the PC/modem/whatever is about to have its communication buffer overrun, and an XON when it is safe to resume sending data. That's fine, but you need to tell Pine about it via the "preserve-start-stop-characters" feature, and be aware that when so configured, if you ever inadvertently type control-S (XOFF), Pine will then appear to freeze until you enter a control-Q (XON). This feature *currently* assumes that Unix has s/w flow control enabled before Pine starts... in 3.92 we'll remove that assumption, so that the feature will work regardless of the previous Unix tty settings. -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 4 18:58:27 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04441; Fri, 4 Nov 94 18:58:27 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08576; Fri, 4 Nov 94 18:55:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08570; Fri, 4 Nov 94 18:55:15 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r3awH-000006C; Fri, 4 Nov 94 18:33 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: arice@dorsai.org Subject: NNTP Server ?? Message-Id: Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 17:09:24 GMT Would anyone know that NNTP-Server for newgroups is on Dorsai? thanks From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 4 19:54:24 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05553; Fri, 4 Nov 94 19:54:24 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10781; Fri, 4 Nov 94 19:50:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10775; Fri, 4 Nov 94 19:50:33 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r3bsb-000006C; Fri, 4 Nov 94 19:33 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mats@exodata.se (Mats Akerberg) Subject: Re: pine on solaris2.3 In-Reply-To: jgarsena@cti.ulaval.ca's message of Tue, 1 Nov 1994 13: 56:35 GMT Message-Id: References: <31OCT94.12739328.0050.MUSIC@UTEP> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 15:49:26 GMT In article jgarsena@cti.ulaval.ca (Jean-Guy Arsenault) writes: #-> J'ai eu les mêmes problèmes. J'ai trouvé des indications pour corriger ces problèmes. Ou? Je m'en souvient plus mais voici quelques informations qui pourraient vous intéresser #-> #-> Sources: ftp://ftp.ulaval.ca/unix/general/pine/ #-> Exécutable pour Sol 2.3: ftp://ftp.ulaval.ca/unix/sun/solaris2.3/pine/ This guy wrote me a mail as well (In french), and I don't understand French! Is there anyone that can translate? It seems like he have som sort of src at his site but????? Thank's /Mats -- Mats Akerberg (mats@exodata.se) Exo Data AB Snail: Box 8312 S-163 08 Spanga Sweden Phone: + 46 8 795 98 30 FAX: + 46 8 36 55 78 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 4 20:38:43 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06273; Fri, 4 Nov 94 20:38:43 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09789; Fri, 4 Nov 94 20:35:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09783; Fri, 4 Nov 94 20:35:33 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r3cZi-000006C; Fri, 4 Nov 94 20:17 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Randall S. Winchester" Subject: How to or a request for a feature. Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 11:55:41 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have seen a lot of conversations on prefiltering pine mail, but not on postfiltering. I prefer to look at my mail most of the time, before I run my filters. This brings up two senarios, that I do not seem to be able to do currently. 1) stuff my "read-messages" to the read-messages-folder ("incoming" in my case), without quitting pine. Then I could call up a filter ("/usr/local/mh/lib/slocal -user rsw" in my case), and continue on reading my now nicely seperated mail. 2) be able to set read-message-folder=| /usr/local/mh/lib/slocal -user $USER so it could all happen automagicaly.. I tried "h;aa|/usr/local/mh/lib/slocal -user rsw" but the "from " line is not there and it all looks like one mail message to slocal. Currently, I have to get into pine, connect to the imap server, scan/read/delete/expunge my first pass though my mail (hundreds of messages), quit pine (saves my read messages) run my filter, get back in pine, and start reading though my 20 odd folders. I do not think this would be too hard to implement, but would be very convienient. I do really like pine. Thanks, for and tips, ideas, thoughts. Randall From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 4 21:14:59 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06820; Fri, 4 Nov 94 21:14:59 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11738; Fri, 4 Nov 94 21:10:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11732; Fri, 4 Nov 94 21:10:42 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r3d6C-000006C; Fri, 4 Nov 94 20:51 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mike Roch Subject: Multiple sessions viewing a mailbox Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 23:18:09 GMT We are considering using a dummy username's inbox as our incoming fault report conduit. The idea is that lots of people could have a window open running pine -if /var/spool/mail/dummy_username These lots of people have group read permission on the spool file. It works up to a point, but new arrivals are not reflected in the read-only sessions. If a session is read-only, why shouldn't pine periodically check the mail spool for changes? The person with the r/o session isn't changing anything ... Mike ============================================================================== Mike Roch, Computer Services Centre, Tel: 0734 318430 The University, Whiteknights, Reading, RG6 2AF Fax: 0734 753094 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 4 22:30:35 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08060; Fri, 4 Nov 94 22:30:35 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11095; Fri, 4 Nov 94 22:26:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11089; Fri, 4 Nov 94 22:26:56 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r3eEB-00000AC; Fri, 4 Nov 94 22:03 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: 4wmh@qlink.queensu.ca (Haddara Wael M) Subject: Sorting incoming msgs Date: 4 Nov 1994 22:46:11 GMT Message-Id: <39edjj$8um@knot.queensu.ca> Hello !! Can some kind soul help me with how to sort messages into separat folders as they come in. I am currently subscribed to a fairly high volume group, and I was wondering if I cannot direct mail from that source to a particular folder. The .pinerc file seems to allow something of the sort, but I don't understand how ??? Much appreciated, Wael From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 4 22:51:05 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08460; Fri, 4 Nov 94 22:51:05 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12905; Fri, 4 Nov 94 22:47:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12899; Fri, 4 Nov 94 22:47:44 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r3eNL-00000VC; Fri, 4 Nov 94 22:13 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Disabling MIME-encoding Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 11:41:43 -0800 Message-Id: References: <39cv2h$f93@ugle.unit.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <39cv2h$f93@ugle.unit.no> Pine 3.92 will support 8bit messages via ESMTP servers that support 8BITMIME. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 4 Nov 1994, Roar Foshaug wrote: > Path: news.u.washington.edu!zoology.washington.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!oracle.pnl.gov!osi-east2.es.net!lll-winken.llnl.gov!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!ugle.unit.no!ceres.bibsys.no!roarf > From: roarf@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_DOMAIN_FILE (Roar Foshaug) > Newsgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Disabling MIME-encoding > Date: 4 Nov 1994 09:32:01 GMT > Organization: University of Trondheim, Norway > Lines: 20 > Message-ID: <39cv2h$f93@ugle.unit.no> > NNTP-Posting-Host: ceres.bibsys.no > X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] > > Is there some way to disable the MIME-encoding og 8-bit messages? > In Norway the ISO-8859-1 character set is becoming a standard, but > Pine insists on using MIME encoding, placing =E5 and suchlike for the > above-128 character codes. > > Most people in Norway do not have mailclients that understand MIME, so > it looks awful. We would like to send 'clean' 8-bit ISO. The alternative > is to use 7bit (Norwegian ascii, replacing some brackets with our > "extra" alphabet characters), but we'd rather prefer 8-bit, to help > push people away from 7bit to 8bit. For communication with English- > speaking countries there will be no difference, as the English > alphabet never uses the eigth bit. > > Any hints? Please send me mail (see below), and I'll post a summary if > I get anything useful. Thanks. > > -- > email: Roar.Foshaug@bibsys.no "Just do it ... Linux!" o > tel : 7359 0858 _ /-_ > addr : BIBSYS, Elgesetergt 10, 7034 Trondheim, NORWAY (_)>(_) > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 4 23:04:54 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08659; Fri, 4 Nov 94 23:04:54 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11465; Fri, 4 Nov 94 22:58:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11459; Fri, 4 Nov 94 22:58:50 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r3ema-00000JC; Fri, 4 Nov 94 22:39 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch) Subject: Re: Anyone build pine3.91 for UnixWare yet? Message-Id: References: <2eb7beda0.1b9f@stimpy.summit.novell.com> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 19:03:42 GMT I posted a message just a week or so ago, about compiling pine 3.90. Thanks to the answers I received, I had it built -- just about the time that 3.91 was released! I have already been in contact with people from UofW; based on the various fixes I have received, I hope to be submitting to the pine development group, the info necessary for a clean a UnixWare-specific build option. I just hope there aren't any significant changes in the config files between 3.90 and 3.91. It's not at the top of my list of things-to-do, and it's probably a while 'till their next release. But it *will* come. -- Evan Leibovitch, Sound Software Ltd., located in beautiful Brampton, Ontario Novell Unix Master Reseller / evan@telly.on.ca / (905) 452-0504 PCMCIA: People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 4 23:13:05 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08917; Fri, 4 Nov 94 23:13:05 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13183; Fri, 4 Nov 94 23:09:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13171; Fri, 4 Nov 94 23:09:05 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r3enH-00000LC; Fri, 4 Nov 94 22:40 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: [Q] Pine folder format Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 11:47:23 -0800 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Pine currently supports variations of at least six different local folder formats, with a few others available as options. Send a sample folder that Pine fails to open to pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu as an attachment and we will take a look at it... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 4 Nov 1994, Steinar Bang wrote: > Date: Fri, 4 NOV 1994 11:24:05 GMT > From: Steinar Bang > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: [Q] Pine folder format > > Platform: Sparc, SunOs 4.1.3, Pine 3.90 > > I assumed that Pine used the Unix mail "From" format for its > folders. > > However, it fails to open mail folders created with the Emacs MUA VM > 5.72, so my assumption would seem to have been wrong. > > So, what format does it use? > -- > >
> Support your local DoD chapter. > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 5 05:32:02 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17261; Sat, 5 Nov 94 05:32:02 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16380; Sat, 5 Nov 94 05:24:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16374; Sat, 5 Nov 94 05:24:29 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r3kmM-000008C; Sat, 5 Nov 94 05:03 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jdavis@CS.Arizona.EDU (Jim Davis) Subject: Re: beginning of messages/parsing Date: 2 Nov 1994 11:43:42 -0700 Message-Id: <398mku$jm4@wolf.CS.Arizona.EDU> References: <9411021522.AA27784@micronet.wcu.edu> In article <9411021522.AA27784@micronet.wcu.edu>, Patti Johnson wrote: : :Then, I moved to my Sun/Solaris 2.3 box and found that that is no longer true. :I thought the problem was mine until I received a couple of messages that :included several imbedded "From "'s - they were majordomo list logs. Well, :mailx could tell that there was a total of 3 messages, where the messages :included many other messaages. Pine, on the other hand could not - and parsed :them out as several smaller messages. There's a sendmail flag that will turn 'From ' into '>From ' inside a message body during local delivery; otherwise that 'From ' will look like it's the start of a new message. Mailx uses another method to tell messages apart, which is why it didn't get confused. Ask your system administrator to check the flags used on sendmail's local delivery agent. I thought that /bin/mail, the default local delivery agent, doesn't need that flag, but perhaps your administrator is using some other program for local delivery. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 5 07:39:51 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19385; Sat, 5 Nov 94 07:39:51 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19415; Sat, 5 Nov 94 07:32:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19409; Sat, 5 Nov 94 07:32:21 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r3mkA-000008C; Sat, 5 Nov 94 07:09 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: iveysoto@vesta.unm.edu (Daniel A Ivey-Soto) Subject: Re: How to send mail to Prodigy users??? Date: 5 Nov 1994 07:21:07 GMT Message-Id: <39fbp3$7q7@lynx.unm.edu> References: <397vll$khe@mozz.unh.edu> Christan E Schoenfeld (ces@christa.unh.edu) wrote: : How do Prodigy and Internet users address each other in E-Mail? : Any help would eb appreciated. : -Chris : -- : __________________________________________________________________________ : |Chris E. Schoenfeld | University of New Hampshire | : |Communications / PoliSci Major | Look to the Cookie! | : |_________________________________|________________________________________| -- >From the Internet the addressing is "handle@prodigy.com" (quotes omitted). However, The folks at Prodigy require users to pay an extra fee for the software which enables them to read non-Prodigy e-mail. Make sure whomever you are sending it to has paid this extra ransom. From within Prodigy, I don't know, since I refuse to use a system which charges extra to allow you to read mail from the rest of the world, and also monitors the content of messages poted within its own system to ensure they meet with approval from "on high". Take care, Daniel. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 5 11:41:29 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24162; Sat, 5 Nov 94 11:41:29 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20990; Sat, 5 Nov 94 11:33:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20984; Sat, 5 Nov 94 11:33:02 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r3qXf-00000AC; Sat, 5 Nov 94 11:12 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shrim@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Rolling Stones) Subject: Re: How to I save the whole folder? Date: 5 Nov 1994 18:36:27 GMT Message-Id: <39gjbb$4j7@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> References: Comes here Mr/Mz. Jon Bell with this opinion in the "comp.mail.pine" group in this article on Sat, 5 Nov 1994 16:48:48 GMT: + In article , + jbollow@netcom.com wrote: + >November just arrived and now I have another folder in Pine. It's the + >mail that I sent in October. Is there any way to export that whole + Each mail folder in pine is simply an ordinary text file in your "Mail" + subdirectory, containing all the saved messages one after the other. So, + at your UNIX prompt, "cd Mail", then "ls" to see what you have there. You Umm...make that 'mail' (lowercase m), as Mail dir. is created by Elm. Atleast that's how it is here, so as DLM said it is either Mail or mail dir. depends on how the setup is at your site. -- o o o o o o o . . . _~~~__~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ _~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ o _____ | /__ | | Compt. Svcs. | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====_____ | __/ riram NCV | | Temple Univ. | >(________|__|_[_________]_|______________________|_|_______________|_ _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o^o^o o^o^o` 'o^o o^o` ======================================================================== Talk about me doing the talking for others, esp. My Employers!! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 5 11:41:36 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24190; Sat, 5 Nov 94 11:41:36 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22365; Sat, 5 Nov 94 11:33:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22359; Sat, 5 Nov 94 11:32:59 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r3qWu-000008C; Sat, 5 Nov 94 11:12 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shrim@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Rolling Stones) Subject: cmsg cancel <39gj0c$4j7@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Control: cancel <39gj0c$4j7@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Date: 5 Nov 1994 18:32:07 GMT Message-Id: <39gj37$4j7@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Article cancelled from within tin [v1.2 PL2] From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 5 11:44:14 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24241; Sat, 5 Nov 94 11:44:14 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20982; Sat, 5 Nov 94 11:32:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20976; Sat, 5 Nov 94 11:32:57 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r3qWo-000006C; Sat, 5 Nov 94 11:11 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shrim@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Rolling Stones) Subject: cmsg cancel <39gj0c$4j7@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Control: cancel <39gj0c$4j7@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Date: 5 Nov 1994 18:31:42 GMT Message-Id: <39gj2e$4j7@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Article cancelled from within tin [v1.2 PL2] From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 5 12:14:25 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25098; Sat, 5 Nov 94 12:14:25 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22769; Sat, 5 Nov 94 12:03:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22763; Sat, 5 Nov 94 12:02:58 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r3r4N-000006C; Sat, 5 Nov 94 11:46 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: werner@iglou.iglou.com (Craig Werner) Subject: Re: Help with "Select-without-confirm" Option Message-Id: <1994Nov5.101641.14962@iglou.com> References: <1994Nov3.102811.9656@iglou.com> Date: Sat, 5 Nov 1994 10:16:41 GMT David L Miller writes: >select-without-confirm refers to the confirmation prompt after selecting a >file with ^T, not after typing the file name. David, at first this explanation was perfectly clear. Later, though, I wondered how one could type ^G after the "E" command. Isn't "E" one of the commands that is supposed to work with ^T? The help screen seems to indicate this is so. Craig From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 5 13:17:15 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26499; Sat, 5 Nov 94 13:17:15 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22430; Sat, 5 Nov 94 13:13:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22424; Sat, 5 Nov 94 13:13:15 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r3s6v-00000FC; Sat, 5 Nov 94 12:53 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nabil Zary med6 Subject: PINE 3.91 asking about moving sent-mail... Message-Id: Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 17:20:51 GMT Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Mime-Version: 1.0 I do know that PINE asks at the end of every month if I want to move sent-mail to f.ex. sent-mail-october. Even thow I said yes, now everytime I start PINE it asks me if I want to delete sent-mail-oct? And this happens even for users that got a new account since Nov 1st. I have a pine.conf.fixed file, do I have to change something there? Salut! Nabil (o o) +------------------------------oOO--(_)--OOo----------------------------+ Nabil Zary Karolinska Institutet Tel :+46 8 820422 Sokrates Sysop S-171 77 Stockholm MiniCall:0746-451786 DSG /MIP Sweden / Suede Visit: Doktorsringen 6C,Solna From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 5 14:12:16 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27743; Sat, 5 Nov 94 14:12:16 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24438; Sat, 5 Nov 94 14:08:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24432; Sat, 5 Nov 94 14:08:28 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r3szW-00000AC; Sat, 5 Nov 94 13:49 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Alessandro Agostini Subject: Pine source Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 16:26:37 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have developed a mail reader program in C language. It work by NFS for read the users's mailbox; by the way in the next release i like include Pine protocol. It is possible? \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ --- ../|\.. --- //////////////////// | Agostini Alessandro agostini@iroe.iroe.fi.cnr.it | | Istituto Ricerca Onde Elettromagnetiche - N.Carrara | | Via Panciatichi,64 50127 Firenze - Italy | | Tel:055/4235203; Fax:055/410893 | From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 5 15:02:53 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28966; Sat, 5 Nov 94 15:02:53 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23884; Sat, 5 Nov 94 14:53:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23878; Sat, 5 Nov 94 14:53:29 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r3tfC-000008C; Sat, 5 Nov 94 14:32 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mike@software.com (Michael D'Errico) Subject: How to get pine to read my MH folders? Date: 4 Nov 1994 20:47:57 -0800 Message-Id: <39f2pt$ftl@rome.software.com> Hi, I have been using MH for about two years and have collected a lot of mail. I've heard that pine is able to access mail in MH folder format, but I can't find any documentation on setting it up for this purpose. So, does anybody know the trick? I'm using Pine 3.89 and MH 6.8.3 on Solaris 2.2. Thanks, Michael D'Errico Software.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 5 16:41:19 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01833; Sat, 5 Nov 94 16:41:19 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26520; Sat, 5 Nov 94 16:36:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26514; Sat, 5 Nov 94 16:36:19 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r3v9a-000008C; Sat, 5 Nov 94 16:08 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: xjzhu@math.uwaterloo.ca (Xiaojun Zhu) Subject: help on setup aliases Message-Id: Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 21:45:48 GMT Hi, there: Is anybody here know how to setup an alias for a 300 list of people? The aim is to avoid the address to be all listed on the header, ie, it is prefered to use a BCC type of aliases. Currently, it is causing us trouble because the BCC doesn't allow so many people. We will also appreciate ways to do this in elm or pine. Thanks, XJ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 5 17:37:36 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03191; Sat, 5 Nov 94 17:37:36 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26319; Sat, 5 Nov 94 17:29:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26313; Sat, 5 Nov 94 17:29:39 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r3w8n-000006C; Sat, 5 Nov 94 17:11 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: georgeb@netcom.com (George H. Bosworth) Subject: SEF/UniForum Open Systems SIG, Tuesday Nov. 8 -- REMINDER Message-Id: Date: Sat, 5 Nov 1994 21:33:33 GMT SEF/UniForum Open Systems SIG MIME Status Report -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions (MIME) is an important standard for conveying pictures, audio, formatted data, and ordinary text in email. It describes many data types; many Unix, Windows, and Mac mail programs implement MIME to varying degrees. Dave Crocker, a noted internetworking consultant, will give a status report on MIME and its implementations. He will address questions like: What's the real purpose of MIME and its data types? If I want to develop an application that uses email, can I rely on my customers having MIME? When will the email I receive be enriched via MIME? How can I send MIME-enriched mail to others? Place: Digital Equipment Corporation 130 Lytton Street, Palo Alto CA (Corner of Alma, 1 block N. of University) Date & Time: Tuesday, November 8, 1994, 7:00-9:00 p.m. Cost: Free for SEF and full UniForum members and DEC employees; $5 for trial UniForum members; $10 for others. No reservation required; limit of 90 attendees. Information: George Bosworth, 415/851-3304, georgeb@netcom.com Dave Crocker, principal with Brandenburg Consulting, has participated in the development of internetworking capabilities since 1972, first as part of the Arpanet research community, and more recently in the commercial sector. He wrote the current Internet standards for mail header formats and was principal architect for MCI Mail. He retains technical involvement in Internet standards activities for transport services, electronic mail, and electronic commerce. SEF, the Software Entrepreneurs' Forum, started in 1983, is a leading Silicon Valley-based non-profit organization dedicated to software professionals, with over 900 members. SEF informs and educates its members on all facets of the software industry. SEF sponsors 12 other SIGs, which meet once a month: Business Operations, Client Server, Intelligent Systems, International, Macintosh, Marketing, Multimedia, Networking, Pen/Mobile, Visual Basic, Windows, and Wireless. Call 415/854-7219 for more SEF information. UniForum, The International Association of Open Systems Professionals, is a vendor-independent, not-for-profit professional association that helps individuals and their organizations increase their Information Systems effectiveness through the use of open systems, based on shared industry standards. Central to UniForum's mission is the delivery of high quality educations programs, trade shows and conferences, publications, on-line services, and peer group interactions. Call 800/255-5620 for more UniForum information. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 5 20:19:27 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05788; Sat, 5 Nov 94 20:19:27 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29245; Sat, 5 Nov 94 20:15:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29239; Sat, 5 Nov 94 20:15:33 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r3yjx-000006C; Sat, 5 Nov 94 19:58 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Brad Subject: Re: Addressbook Nicknames Needed? Date: Sat, 5 Nov 1994 23:30:32 +0000 Message-Id: References: <39er7o$edr@news.cais.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <39er7o$edr@news.cais.com> On 5 Nov 1994 jlfitz@cais2.cais.com wrote: > Is it necessary to use the nickname fields when entering data in > the PINE address book? It gets real annoying trying to think of a > nickname for every litte entry... Uh, yes, you need a nickname for each entry. What would be the point in the address book, otherwise?! --Simon. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 5 20:57:51 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06537; Sat, 5 Nov 94 20:57:51 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28750; Sat, 5 Nov 94 20:54:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28738; Sat, 5 Nov 94 20:54:35 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r3zEM-00000AC; Sat, 5 Nov 94 20:29 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: BeardGroup Subject: Multiple Addressees in Pine Date: Sat, 5 Nov 1994 09:23:58 -0500 Message-Id: References: <39dpd3$9or@inxs.ncren.net> <39e2b5$o5s@panix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <39e2b5$o5s@panix.com> I would like to send messages to multiple addressees with only the individual recipient's name showing on the "To" line. Currently the whole list is shown. I would assume that this should be a relatively simple problem to solve but I can't seem to find the answer. I'd appreciate any help or direction in as non-technical terms as possible. Thanks in advance. Chris Beard From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 5 21:05:20 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06723; Sat, 5 Nov 94 21:05:20 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29770; Sat, 5 Nov 94 21:00:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29764; Sat, 5 Nov 94 21:00:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r3zQr-00000MC; Sat, 5 Nov 94 20:42 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: d93matkr@hera.isy.liu.se (MATS KRONBERG) Subject: Pine for VMS Date: 05 Nov 1994 14:54:48 GMT Message-Id: Where can I find Pine for VMS? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 5 22:44:24 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08317; Sat, 5 Nov 94 22:44:24 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29990; Sat, 5 Nov 94 22:39:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29984; Sat, 5 Nov 94 22:39:43 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r40uX-000008C; Sat, 5 Nov 94 22:17 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: kai@depeche.toppoint.de (Kai Voigt) Subject: Re: .forward problem... Date: 5 Nov 1994 12:10:57 GMT Message-Id: <39fsoh$c3u@mistral.toppoint.de> References: In wclam@cs.cuhk.hk (/\/\arcus La/\/\ ) writes: >Hello All, > I have a simple problem. Currently I have 2 mail addresses, say A and B. >The problem is, how could I forward my incoming mails at A to B WITHOUT >deleting them at A? That is, I can still read at A? Just put the following two lines into your .forward at your A account: \A B So a copy will be kept at your A account. The backslash is needed to prevent infinite loops. Kai -- Kai Voigt, Werftstrasse 2, 24148 Kiel, Germany, +49 431 7297514 "sendmail.cf looks like a context diff of two core files." -- sjm@ra12.curtin.edu.au (Simon Mackinlay) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 5 23:14:25 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08839; Sat, 5 Nov 94 23:14:25 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01354; Sat, 5 Nov 94 23:09:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01348; Sat, 5 Nov 94 23:09:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r41RN-000008C; Sat, 5 Nov 94 22:51 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jtbell@presby.edu (Jon Bell) Subject: Re: How to I save the whole folder? Message-Id: Date: Sat, 5 Nov 1994 16:48:48 GMT References: In article , jbollow@netcom.com wrote: >November just arrived and now I have another folder in Pine. It's the >mail that I sent in October. Is there any way to export that whole >folder (rather than saving each file individually)? I would like to put >it all onto a disk (or two), rather than leaving it all at Netcom. Each mail folder in pine is simply an ordinary text file in your "Mail" subdirectory, containing all the saved messages one after the other. So, at your UNIX prompt, "cd Mail", then "ls" to see what you have there. You should see a file named something like "sent-mail-oct-1994". Download it to your PC like any other text file, then delete it with "rm." -- Jon Bell Presbyterian College Dept. of Physics and Computer Science Clinton, South Carolina USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 5 23:31:35 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09089; Sat, 5 Nov 94 23:31:35 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00565; Sat, 5 Nov 94 23:24:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00559; Sat, 5 Nov 94 23:24:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r41bS-00000AC; Sat, 5 Nov 94 23:01 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: roarf@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_DOMAIN_FILE. (Roar Foshaug) Subject: Disabling MIME-encoding Date: 4 Nov 1994 09:32:01 GMT Message-Id: <39cv2h$f93@ugle.unit.no> Is there some way to disable the MIME-encoding og 8-bit messages? In Norway the ISO-8859-1 character set is becoming a standard, but Pine insists on using MIME encoding, placing =E5 and suchlike for the above-128 character codes. Most people in Norway do not have mailclients that understand MIME, so it looks awful. We would like to send 'clean' 8-bit ISO. The alternative is to use 7bit (Norwegian ascii, replacing some brackets with our "extra" alphabet characters), but we'd rather prefer 8-bit, to help push people away from 7bit to 8bit. For communication with English- speaking countries there will be no difference, as the English alphabet never uses the eigth bit. Any hints? Please send me mail (see below), and I'll post a summary if I get anything useful. Thanks. -- email: Roar.Foshaug@bibsys.no "Just do it ... Linux!" o tel : 7359 0858 _ /-_ addr : BIBSYS, Elgesetergt 10, 7034 Trondheim, NORWAY (_)>(_) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 6 00:01:05 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09584; Sun, 6 Nov 94 00:01:05 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01825; Sat, 5 Nov 94 23:54:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01819; Sat, 5 Nov 94 23:54:56 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r425j-000008C; Sat, 5 Nov 94 23:32 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jdavis@CS.Arizona.EDU (Jim Davis) Subject: Re: FORWARDED LETTER Date: 5 Nov 1994 23:32:08 -0700 Message-Id: <39ht98$omv@wolf.CS.Arizona.EDU> References: In article , Cher Wai Pang wrote: : :I recently sent a letter to a friend, and he has :programmed his mail handler (I don't know if it is PINE) to automatically :send out a message to people who e-mail him telling them he is not :available. Anyone can tell me if this can be done with PINE 3.90? On UNIX systems that's typically handled by the vacation(1) program. I think you can get a similar result with some mail filtering programs, like deliver or procmail. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 6 01:20:06 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11303; Sun, 6 Nov 94 01:20:06 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01795; Sun, 6 Nov 94 01:05:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01789; Sun, 6 Nov 94 01:05:18 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r43E2-00000BC; Sun, 6 Nov 94 00:45 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: davidy@vw.hwcae.az.Honeywell.COM (David Young) Subject: Problems with IMAPd ?? Date: 04 Nov 1994 00:29:24 GMT Message-Id: I just compiled pine (3.89) for my HP/UX 700. I also ported IMAPd to an Apollo DomainOS system (that's where the mail is). Pine seems to run fine (despite these messages) but I keep getting [IMAP error: Command unrecognized: FETCH] [Command unrecognized: FETCH] When I type 'D' to delete a message, or 'U' to undelete a message, I get: [IMAP error: Command unrecognized: -FLAGS] [Command unrecognized: -FLAGS] I can read my mail and it would appear that I can do everything else (reply ,forward, etc) without a problem, other than the fact you keep getting those annoying messages about every 5 to 15 seconds. Any idea as to what is wrong? Is there a FAQ for PINE? -- David J. Young Phone: 602.436.2968 Network/System Administrator davidy@hwcae.honeywell.com Honeywell Air Transport Systems Division Do you know Kimball? P.O. Box 21111 M/S AZ75-K26E2 Phoenix AZ 85036 EQ Kimball, the insurance man? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 6 10:06:38 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20830; Sun, 6 Nov 94 10:06:38 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09067; Sun, 6 Nov 94 10:01:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09061; Sun, 6 Nov 94 10:01:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r4BbI-00000JC; Sun, 6 Nov 94 09:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tigerwolf@jaguar.tigerden.com () Subject: Re: Pine running wild when user's session disconnected Date: 6 Nov 1994 00:29:08 GMT Message-Id: <39h80k$nrb@ns.oar.net> References: <3979mu$ha7@romulus.ncsc.mil> Richard L. Hamilton (richh@romulus.ncsc.mil) wrote: : I've noticed pine processes associated with users whose sessions : ended with either a non-zero return code or a hangup signal running : wild, i.e. apparently looping to no particular end, and eating CPU time : (some hours after the login session had been terminated). : I've got a wild guess that where it is looping is line 392 of We've had no problems with 3,89 or 3.90, but have noticed this with 3.91. We are running Linux 1.1.59 and are not running imapd. I'm not sure what caused the entry into the loop, but I have noticed a pine process belonging to a disconnected user eating processor time on 2 different occasions in the last week. George Nemeyer System Administrator Tigerden.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 6 11:16:09 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22426; Sun, 6 Nov 94 11:16:09 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08939; Sun, 6 Nov 94 11:11:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08933; Sun, 6 Nov 94 11:11:39 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r4Ck0-00000FC; Sun, 6 Nov 94 10:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu (J. Kelly Cunningham) Subject: mkpgp available by finger Message-Id: <1994Nov5.190654.275@titan.sfasu.edu> Date: 5 Nov 94 19:06:54 CST mkpgp is a c-shell script that provides PGP encryption to Pine. For the last modification time: finger slutsky@lipschitz.sfasu.edu | grep mkpgp For the readme and a uuencoded mkpgp: finger slutsky@lipschitz.sfasu.edu | pgp -f > mkpgp.txt For the executable script: finger slutsky@lipschitz.sfasu.edu | pgp -f | uudecode Enjoy. -- kc finger deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu | pgp -fka +force From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 6 11:46:44 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23159; Sun, 6 Nov 94 11:46:44 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09364; Sun, 6 Nov 94 11:41:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09358; Sun, 6 Nov 94 11:41:56 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r4D6S-00000FC; Sun, 6 Nov 94 11:18 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: francis@moe.ac.sg (Francis Ho) Subject: PCPINE for windows - Cant connect Date: 3 Nov 1994 10:57:08 GMT Message-Id: <39afm4$q77@piaget.moe.ac.sg> I've been using Pine3.91 on my Sun workstation running Solaris2.3. I was trying PCPINE for windows and got the following error: Cant connect to piaget.moe.ac.sg.143: Refused <10061> I tried to telnet to piaget.moe.ac.sg 143 but to no avail. Must I run something at port 143? and what is it? How do I run it in Solaris2.3? ---- Francis Ho Internet: francis@moe.ac.sg Education Data Centre, MOE Tel : (65) - 4713949 " Doing without thinking, is as good as thinking without doing " From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 6 13:03:18 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24639; Sun, 6 Nov 94 13:03:18 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11299; Sun, 6 Nov 94 12:52:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11293; Sun, 6 Nov 94 12:51:58 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r4EC5-00000IC; Sun, 6 Nov 94 12:28 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: philos@crl.com (Chris Byrd) Subject: Using alternate sendmail with Unix Pine 3.91 Date: 2 Nov 1994 09:57:07 -0800 Message-Id: <398jtj$k4u@crl6.crl.com> Is it possible for an unprivleged user to set up Unix Pine 3.91 to call an alternate to sendmail in my home directory? I am using a Perl script called premail to process mail (it takes the same arguments as sendmail and calls sendmail with its results.) Thanks, Chris From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 6 13:39:06 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25389; Sun, 6 Nov 94 13:39:06 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10718; Sun, 6 Nov 94 13:34:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10712; Sun, 6 Nov 94 13:34:33 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r4EpW-00000HC; Sun, 6 Nov 94 13:08 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Problems with IMAPd ?? Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 20:46:41 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: This sounds like a problem with your port of imapd to Applo DomainOS. FETCH is certainly a valid command in the IMAP protocol, although this error message can also happen if there are no arguments after the FETCH command due to an oddity in imapd's parser. Another possibility may be your HP/UX port. Did you modify Pine, and in particular, the c-client/imap2.c or c-client/tcp_unix.c files, in any way? These error mesages can happen if spurious newlines were being inserted in the IMAP protocol stream. I suggest that you review all modifications made to the sources. Also, the current version of Pine is Pine 3.91. The Pine FAQ is on pine/docs on the ftp.cac.washington.edu anonymous FTP server. -- Mark -- On 4 Nov 1994, David Young wrote: > > I just compiled pine (3.89) for my HP/UX 700. > I also ported IMAPd to an Apollo DomainOS system (that's where the mail is). > > Pine seems to run fine (despite these messages) but I keep getting > > [IMAP error: Command unrecognized: FETCH] > [Command unrecognized: FETCH] > > When I type 'D' to delete a message, or 'U' to undelete a message, I get: > > [IMAP error: Command unrecognized: -FLAGS] > [Command unrecognized: -FLAGS] > > I can read my mail and it would appear that I can do everything else > (reply ,forward, etc) without a problem, other than the fact you keep > getting those annoying messages about every 5 to 15 seconds. > > Any idea as to what is wrong? > > Is there a FAQ for PINE? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 6 16:33:52 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28135; Sun, 6 Nov 94 16:33:52 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14003; Sun, 6 Nov 94 16:29:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13997; Sun, 6 Nov 94 16:29:53 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r4HR9-00000IC; Sun, 6 Nov 94 15:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mkaufman@apollo.aoe.vt.edu (Matthew Kaufman) Subject: Help... Pine for an SGI running IRIX Date: Sun, 06 Nov 1994 18:40:06 -0400 Message-Id: I am looking for someone who has a copy of pine and/or pico operating succesfully on a Silicon Graphics machine running IRIX. I'd like to get the binaries for my local machine. I wrote to UofW and they reffered me to this group. Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.... -------------------------------------------------------- Matthew Kaufman | \\\ Virginia Tech | \\ \\\ Aerospace Engineering | kaufman@apollo.aoe.vt.edu |->==| >==> 215 Randolph Hall | // /// Blacksburg, VA 24061 | /// -------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 6 17:17:17 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29128; Sun, 6 Nov 94 17:17:17 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13544; Sun, 6 Nov 94 17:12:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13538; Sun, 6 Nov 94 17:12:27 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r4IM2-00000IC; Sun, 6 Nov 94 16:54 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: chip@clark.net (Chip Davis) Subject: .addressbook won't prYnt in 3.91 Date: 4 Nov 1994 20:44:09 GMT Message-Id: <39e6ep$939@clarknet.clark.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit When I try to prYnt my .addressbook in Pine 3.91, it gets about half-way down the page, then skips about a page-worth of entries before continuing. I checked .addressbook for something unusual at the point where it skips, but all's well. If I drop back to Pine 3.89 and prYnt the same .addressbook, it comes out perfect. I'm encountering no other printing anomalies associated with attached-to-ANSI printing. Is this a known bug? -- Chip Davis : chip@clark.net : Rexx Language Association : Team OS/2 PP-ASEL/IA : Cessna 172A N7650T : Wolf Airport (1W5) : "Oshkosh '95 Bound" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 6 17:32:11 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29420; Sun, 6 Nov 94 17:32:11 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13752; Sun, 6 Nov 94 17:28:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13746; Sun, 6 Nov 94 17:28:45 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Mon, 7 Nov 94 09:25:09 -0800 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 09:25:07 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Francis Ho Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: PCPINE for windows - Cant connect In-Reply-To: <39afm4$q77@piaget.moe.ac.sg> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 3 Nov 1994, Francis Ho wrote: > I've been using Pine3.91 on my Sun workstation running Solaris2.3. > I was trying PCPINE for windows and got the following error: > > Cant connect to piaget.moe.ac.sg.143: Refused <10061> > > > I tried to telnet to piaget.moe.ac.sg 143 but to no avail. > > Must I run something at port 143? and what is it? > How do I run it in Solaris2.3? Yes, you must run impad on port 143. When you built pine the imapd would also have been built in the impad directory. You should move this file to someplace like /usr/local/bin and then make an entry such as: imap stream tcp nowait root /usr/local/bin/imapd imapd in your inetd.conf file. After you do that you need to find the PID of inetd and send simply do a kill -1 on that PID. Then you should be able to telnet hostname 143 and get a greeting similar to: Connected to hobbes. Escape character is '^]'. * OK hobbes IMAP2bis Service 7.8(92) at Mon, 7 Nov 1994 09:24:50 -0800 (GMT) That's it.... Ed From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 6 18:03:07 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00239; Sun, 6 Nov 94 18:03:07 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14178; Sun, 6 Nov 94 17:58:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14172; Sun, 6 Nov 94 17:58:17 -0800 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06543; Sun, 6 Nov 94 17:58:13 -0800 Date: Sun, 6 Nov 1994 17:58:11 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: Chip Davis Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: .addressbook won't prYnt in 3.91 In-Reply-To: <39e6ep$939@clarknet.clark.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Chip, Do you have the feature "preserve-start-stop-characters" set? If not, what happens when you do? -teg On 4 Nov 1994, Chip Davis wrote: > When I try to prYnt my .addressbook in Pine 3.91, it gets about half-way > down the page, then skips about a page-worth of entries before > continuing. I checked .addressbook for something unusual at the point > where it skips, but all's well. If I drop back to Pine 3.89 and prYnt > the same .addressbook, it comes out perfect. I'm encountering no other > printing anomalies associated with attached-to-ANSI printing. > > Is this a known bug? > -- > Chip Davis : chip@clark.net : Rexx Language Association : Team OS/2 > PP-ASEL/IA : Cessna 172A N7650T : Wolf Airport (1W5) : "Oshkosh '95 Bound" > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 6 18:37:22 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00785; Sun, 6 Nov 94 18:37:22 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15672; Sun, 6 Nov 94 18:32:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15666; Sun, 6 Nov 94 18:32:34 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r4JYN-00000JC; Sun, 6 Nov 94 18:11 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr) Subject: Re: HELP: bugs in pine3.91 under solaris 5.3 Date: 6 Nov 1994 21:03:54 -0500 Message-Id: <39k1ua$80o@bosnia.pop.psu.edu> References: In article , >You've been bit by the wonderful Solaris ``I dunno which library to link, >so I'll guess the wrong one'' bug. This problem has been bedeviling us >for ages. The Collective Wisdom Of The Net has been applied, and nothing >has worked. Or rather, worked for everyone. > >We found ourselves with a situation in which the c-client/imapd programmer >(me) can correctly build imapd but not Pine, and the Pine programmer can >correctly build Pine but not c-client -- with no apparent differences in >our environments!! > >The basic problem is that Solaris has two environments, BSD and SVR4, each >with a slightly different directory entry structure that is offset from >each other by two bytes. Pine on Solaris is SVR4, but for some reason the >!@#$%^&* Solaris linker decides to link it to be BSD. The "collective wisdom of the net", eh? Did you try reading the Solaris FAQ? 6.10) Why doesn't readdir work? You're probably linking with libucb and didn't read the previous question. (The readdir in libucb.so wants you to include sys/dir.h, many SunOS 4.1.x programs included , consequently, you're mixing native struct dirent with libucb readdir(). The symptom of this mixup is that the first two characters of each filename are missing. Make sure you use the native compiler (default /opt/SUNWspro/bin/cc, which may not be in your PATH), and not /usr/ucb/cc. IMHO you should trust that use user has the correct path, and 'cc' is indeed the right C compiler. I bet that one of you if you were to say "which cc" returns "/usr/ucb/cc". If you try to build Pine with /usr/ucb/cc you WILL have trouble. I'd just put a warning message if you type 'build sol' that warns that you can't use /usr/ucb/cc. In fact you could even hack the build script to return an error if [ `which cc` = "/usr/ucb/cc" ].). --Dave From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 6 19:41:37 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01833; Sun, 6 Nov 94 19:41:37 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15408; Sun, 6 Nov 94 19:37:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15402; Sun, 6 Nov 94 19:37:50 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r4KcY-00000IC; Sun, 6 Nov 94 19:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lailert@ucssun1.sdsu.edu (Supak Lailert) Subject: Re: FORWARDED LETTER Date: 6 Nov 1994 18:23:53 GMT Message-Id: <39j6vp$8v6@gondor.sdsu.edu> References: In article , Cher Wai Pang says: > > >I recently sent a letter to a friend, and he has >programmed his mail handler (I don't know if it is PINE) to automatically >send out a message to people who e-mail him telling them he is not >available. Anyone can tell me if this can be done with PINE 3.90? If the machine is UNIX-based, chance is that he uses a program called 'vacation'. Try 'man vacation' on your system for the usage. Regards, Supak Lailert lailert@ucssun1.sdsu.edu lailert@aol.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 6 21:39:39 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03882; Sun, 6 Nov 94 21:39:39 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18066; Sun, 6 Nov 94 21:35:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18060; Sun, 6 Nov 94 21:35:33 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r4MNk-00000IC; Sun, 6 Nov 94 21:12 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: philos@crl.com (Chris Byrd) Subject: Re: filter Date: 3 Nov 1994 08:09:58 -0800 Message-Id: <39b20m$bgd@crl10.crl.com> References: Jorge Paramo (paramoj@river.it.gvsu.edu) wrote: : Hi there; : I know this has been discussed before, but I cannot find it. Is : there a way to filter msgs from certain people so they don't reach the : inbox? - I am using Pine 3.90 (Adm will not update). : Any ideas suggestions will be greatly eppreciated. You need to get a program called procmail.. the actual filename is 'procmail.tar.gz'. I don't have an address for it off hand, try doing an archie or webcraller search for it. Chris -- /~~/ "Who's that? Oh, my little friend Cupid, wearing a /~~~/ '/_ shirt that says I'm with stupid. Always nearby where- / /~////_/_)~ ever I go. He's looking out for me, don't you know." philos@crl.com -- MC900ftJesus From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 6 21:56:45 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04159; Sun, 6 Nov 94 21:56:45 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17359; Sun, 6 Nov 94 21:53:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17353; Sun, 6 Nov 94 21:53:19 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r4Mik-00000JC; Sun, 6 Nov 94 21:34 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jlfitz@cais2.cais.com (JLFITZ@cais) Subject: Addressbook Nicknames Needed? Date: 5 Nov 1994 02:38:48 GMT Message-Id: <39er7o$edr@news.cais.com> Is it necessary to use the nickname fields when entering data in the PINE address book? It gets real annoying trying to think of a nickname for every litte entry... Also, how do you set the tabs to space a little less? Thanks anyone with information... -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jeffrey L. Fitzgerald jlfitz@cais.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * Real Life On-Line Help 24 Hrs a Day... Jesus@Heaven.God * From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 6 22:21:16 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04696; Sun, 6 Nov 94 22:21:16 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18669; Sun, 6 Nov 94 22:16:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18663; Sun, 6 Nov 94 22:16:44 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r4N07-00000IC; Sun, 6 Nov 94 21:52 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: matt@exeter.sewanee.edu (Matt Laney) Subject: Re: How to force pine-3.91 to see that new mail has arrived? Date: 6 Nov 1994 22:00:45 GMT Message-Id: <39jjmd$n0h@cherub.sewanee.edu> References: Steven W Orr (steveo@world.std.com) rambled: : I have a biff that shows that new mail has arrived, but while I'm in : pine, pine doesn't know it cause 2.5 minutes have not yet elapsed. : Result is that I end up having to get out and back into pine to force : the new mail to be seen. Any keystroke to make it happen on the fly? Try ^l. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 6 22:42:44 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05035; Sun, 6 Nov 94 22:42:44 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18963; Sun, 6 Nov 94 22:39:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18957; Sun, 6 Nov 94 22:39:18 -0800 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10120; Sun, 6 Nov 94 22:39:15 -0800 Date: Sun, 6 Nov 1994 22:39:15 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Hubert To: jlfitz@cais2.cais.com Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Addressbook Nicknames Needed? In-Reply-To: <39er7o$edr@news.cais.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Yes, it is necessary. The nicknames are used as keys when looking up the entries in the address book. The spacing of the tabs isn't something you can control, either. Pine tries to set the spacing so that as much as possible of the fields will show, so shortening long fields will cause the spacing to be reduced. Steve Hubert Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle On 5 Nov 1994 jlfitz@cais2.cais.com wrote: > Is it necessary to use the nickname fields when entering data in > the PINE address book? It gets real annoying trying to think of a > nickname for every litte entry... > > Also, how do you set the tabs to space a little less? Thanks > anyone with information... > > > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Jeffrey L. Fitzgerald > jlfitz@cais.com > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > * Real Life On-Line Help 24 Hrs a Day... Jesus@Heaven.God * > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 6 22:52:29 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05185; Sun, 6 Nov 94 22:52:29 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19075; Sun, 6 Nov 94 22:49:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19069; Sun, 6 Nov 94 22:49:24 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r4Nct-00000JC; Sun, 6 Nov 94 22:32 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: kld@sat.ipp-garching.mpg.de (Klaus Desinger) Subject: Re: Pine running wild when user's session disconnected Date: 6 Nov 1994 02:36:52 +0100 Message-Id: <39hbvk$6v8@sat.ipp-garching.mpg.de> References: <3979mu$ha7@romulus.ncsc.mil> <39h80k$nrb@ns.oar.net> tigerwolf@jaguar.tigerden.com () writes: >Richard L. Hamilton (richh@romulus.ncsc.mil) wrote: >: I've noticed pine processes associated with users whose sessions >: ended with either a non-zero return code or a hangup signal running >: wild, i.e. apparently looping to no particular end, and eating CPU time >: (some hours after the login session had been terminated). >: I've got a wild guess that where it is looping is line 392 of >We've had no problems with 3,89 or 3.90, but have noticed this with 3.91. >We are running Linux 1.1.59 and are not running imapd. [...] We're still at 3.87 on Sun's Solaris. Same problem here. Any pointers are appreciated. Klaus -- Klaus Desinger email kld@ipp-garching.mpg.de Rechenzentrum Garching annoyance number +49 89-3299-2168 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 6 22:52:40 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05206; Sun, 6 Nov 94 22:52:40 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18092; Sun, 6 Nov 94 22:49:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18086; Sun, 6 Nov 94 22:49:22 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r4Nav-00000IC; Sun, 6 Nov 94 22:30 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: thang@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Thang M Nguyen) Subject: HELP: bugs in pine3.91 under solaris 5.3 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 21:02:41 GMT I installed pine3.91 using 'build sv4' for System V version-4. Everythings seem to be working fine except folder listing. Whenever I type 'L' to list the folders, the first two characters of the folder-names, except the INBOX, do not display on the screen. And whenever I tried to open the folders or delete those folders, the error message was folders doesn't exist. Can anyone help me on this problem? Thanks in advace. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 7 01:57:56 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08853; Mon, 7 Nov 94 01:57:56 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20437; Mon, 7 Nov 94 01:52:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20431; Mon, 7 Nov 94 01:52:32 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r4QKw-00000LC; Mon, 7 Nov 94 01:26 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: HELP: bugs in pine3.91 under solaris 5.3 Date: Sun, 6 Nov 1994 16:30:06 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Fri, 4 Nov 1994, Thang M Nguyen wrote: > I installed pine3.91 using 'build sv4' for System V version-4. > Everythings seem to be working fine except folder listing. Whenever I > type 'L' to list the folders, the first two characters of the > folder-names, except the INBOX, do not display on the screen. And > whenever I tried to open the folders or delete those folders, the error > message was folders doesn't exist. Can anyone help me on this problem? Hello. First, you should use ``build sol'' instead of ``build sv4''. You've been bit by the wonderful Solaris ``I dunno which library to link, so I'll guess the wrong one'' bug. This problem has been bedeviling us for ages. The Collective Wisdom Of The Net has been applied, and nothing has worked. Or rather, worked for everyone. We found ourselves with a situation in which the c-client/imapd programmer (me) can correctly build imapd but not Pine, and the Pine programmer can correctly build Pine but not c-client -- with no apparent differences in our environments!! The basic problem is that Solaris has two environments, BSD and SVR4, each with a slightly different directory entry structure that is offset from each other by two bytes. Pine on Solaris is SVR4, but for some reason the !@#$%^&* Solaris linker decides to link it to be BSD. We've pulled hair on this for months. What makes things worse is that the outside Solaris world seems to be split just like we are: some can build imapd correctly but not Pine; others can build Pine correctly but not imapd. Then there are other lucky people who can build both. The cc5 hack (courtesy of the Collected Wisdom Of The Net) used to build Pine works fine for the Pine programmer, but not for me. cc works fine for me when building imapd, but not when building a short C program that demonstrates the problem. As far as we know, SUN denies that there is anything at all wrong. It's probably some wierd environment variable that needs to be set, but we're stumped. It is an abomination that SUN dares to ship a system in which a program can be compiled SVR4, but lunk BSD, without generating any ``incompatible library'' error messages. I'm embarassed enough about this problem (it's my code that's getting confused), but SUN should be ashamed that their development tools permit it to happen. The binaries on our FTP server are built correctly. Unless you need to have locally-built binaries, you may want to use our pre-built Solaris binaries instead. We're aware of the problem, and careful to test our Solaris binaries to make sure they've been built correctly. Thank you for bearing with us. Sooner or later, we'll find out what's wrong and fix it once and for all. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 7 05:49:57 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14417; Mon, 7 Nov 94 05:49:57 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24505; Mon, 7 Nov 94 05:38:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from gatekeeper.sial.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24499; Mon, 7 Nov 94 05:38:02 -0800 Received: from localhost (schuchas@localhost) by gatekeeper.sial.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) id HAA03096; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 07:29:13 -0600 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 07:29:13 -0600 (CST) From: Stanley Schuchat To: Bob Little , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: problem printing In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ***Upgrading to Chameleon 4.01 solved the problem!! On Fri, 4 Nov 1994, Stanley Schuchat wrote: > When I print from a Telnet window in MS-Windows, using the "Y" command, > The output consists of one line with no carrige returns, using most > printers. Using the "text" printer in MS-Windows the print starts OK, but > only prints 80 or so characters, with carriage returns handled correctly. > I am using Chameleon 3.11N as my PPP connection and my Telnet app. Anyone > solved this problem? > > _______________________________________________________________________ > Stanley Schuchat | Sigma Chemical Company > Analyst, Competition Department | 3050 Spruce, St Louis, MO 63103 > schuchas@spruce.sial.com | (314)771-5765 x2624 > > > On Thu, 3 Nov 1994, Bob Little wrote: > > > > > I am having the same problem using Windows Terminal, dialing in. I have > > tried the "Preserve-stop-start" option to no avail. After closing the > > session, then Windows dumps pages of garbage to the printer. Only > > happens with 3.91. Hmmmm. > > > > When attached to a LAN, it's not an issue. > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Robert Little, Director | __|__ |rlittle@eagle.lhup.edu > > Computing Center | --------(*)-------- |Piper Arrow II N32429 > > Lock Haven University | " " |"Time Flies, Go Fast!" > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > > When we print out a message to "1" "attached-to-ansi", it will cause our > > > local printer to start flashing (print coming) and then stop...no print-out > > > I was wondering if any of you gurus had any brilliant ideas about this, > > > or if anybody got this problem! > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 7 07:34:59 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16646; Mon, 7 Nov 94 07:34:59 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25970; Mon, 7 Nov 94 07:20:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from c700-1.sm.dsi.unimi.it by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25964; Mon, 7 Nov 94 07:20:49 -0800 Received: by pippo.sm.dsi.unimi.it (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21358; Mon, 7 Nov 94 16:20:21 +0100 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 16:20:18 +0100 (MET) From: "Michele \"BaNzO\" Zamboni" X-Sender: zamboni@c700-1.sm.dsi.unimi.it To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: READING NEWS Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello, Is there a way to Unsubscribe/Subscribe a pattern of newsgroups ? Thanx for the help, BaNzO =========================================================================== = NickName : Michele "BaNzO" Zamboni = = URL : http://www.dsi.unimi.it/Users/Students/zamboni/home.html = =========================================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 7 07:43:06 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16855; Mon, 7 Nov 94 07:43:06 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24863; Mon, 7 Nov 94 07:24:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24857; Mon, 7 Nov 94 07:24:33 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r4VQO-00000hC; Mon, 7 Nov 94 06:52 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: wclam@cs.cuhk.hk/a/./a/./a/. (/\/\arcus La/\/\ ) Subject: .forward problem... Message-Id: Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 03:30:24 GMT Hello All, I have a simple problem. Currently I have 2 mail addresses, say A and B. The problem is, how could I forward my incoming mails at A to B WITHOUT deleting them at A? That is, I can still read at A? Thanks! -- ----------------------- Repent, for the kingdom of the heavens has drawn nigh! Marcus Lam Wing Chuen Internet: wclam@cs.cuhk.hk or maranatha@cuhk.hk ----------------------------------------------------------------- Matthew 4:17 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 7 08:55:18 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20176; Mon, 7 Nov 94 08:55:18 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26234; Mon, 7 Nov 94 08:32:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from medusa.unm.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26226; Mon, 7 Nov 94 08:32:51 -0800 Received: from MEDUSA.UNM.EDU by MEDUSA.UNM.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #5028) id <01HJ6YQIVJOG000WF8@MEDUSA.UNM.EDU>; Mon, 07 Nov 1994 09:32:46 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 07 Nov 1994 09:32:45 -0600 (MDT) From: "Stephen F. Day UNM HSCCS" Subject: Pine email (fwd) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Cc: HSCCS Help Desk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT The following was sent to me by one of our staff. I am hoping someone out there has an answer to this. We are just beginning to use VMS Pine (from Innosoft) at our site. Since we are subscribed to your listserv, please direct your response to helpdesk@medusa.unm.edu. I know the "<>" is another representation of "[]" for directory specifications; however, most of our users know only of the square brackets for this purpose. Can we change this from "<>" to "[]"? Finally, can a default path be used rather than the path that it originated from? Thanks! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Stephen F. Day (SFD7) VOICE: (505) 277-1698 Health Sciences Ctr Computer Svcs BITNET: SDAY@MEDUSA University of New Mexico INTERNET: sday@medusa.unm.edu Albuquerque, NM 87131-5052 sday@salud.unm.edu =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 04 Nov 1994 13:37:22 -0600 (MDT) From: HSCCS Help Desk Consultants To: sday Subject: Pine email I know this isn't high priority for you but... I think that Pine will be useful for sending files (particulary binary files) through email. I know at least one person per class asks for this capibility. And [name omitted] would be most impressed if he could have this. I've been working with it trying to send a binary file (which works just fine). However, when you tell Pine to save it, it fills in the path and username of the _sender_ of the file. For example, I sent a file from MCCSDESK to CDEAN. As CDEAN, I view the attachment, and tell PINE to save that section as a file. It fills in the following as the default filename: filename.ext I can edit the <> as well as the username to correct it, but there must be a better way. I have looked at the pine.pinerc in both my Unix and VMS account and cannot see where the <> is coming from, nor where to specify a default save directory. I did change the Folder-Collections and Mail-directory, to no avail. Any ideas? Cyndi ************************************************************************ HSCCS Help Desk Voice: (505) 277-1694 Helpdesk Consultants & Liaisons Bitnet/CREN: HELPDESK@MEDUSA Health Sciences Ctr Computer Services Internet: helpdesk@medusa.UNM.EDU University of New Mexico Fax: (505) 277-5683 ************************************************************************ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 7 11:13:16 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27632; Mon, 7 Nov 94 11:13:16 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01526; Mon, 7 Nov 94 11:04:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01520; Mon, 7 Nov 94 11:04:23 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r4Z1u-00000IC; Mon, 7 Nov 94 10:42 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ceb4@eng.cam.ac.uk (Caroline Blackmun) Subject: Wrong timezone in Pine Date field Date: 7 Nov 1994 18:35:20 GMT Message-Id: <39ls18$qtv@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> I'm running Pine 3.89 under HP-UX 9.01 on various 700 series HPs. The timezone (TZ) is set to GMT0BST. The UK reverted to GMT on 23rd October, and all other programs on our systems are correctly reporting the time in GMT (including sendmail and other MUAs). However, Pine is creating date stamps of the form: Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 17:08:54 +0100 (BST) where the actual time is in GMT (i.e. it was 17:08 local time when the mail was sent), and hence the time is an hour out. Is there some configuration I've missed to fix this? I couldn't find anything in the FAQ, or anything in the 3.91 release notes to suggest 3.91 fixes this. Caroline Blackmun ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Caroline Blackmun, Postmaster | Tel: +44 1223 330265 Cambridge University Engineering Dept | Trumpington St, Cambridge, CB2 1PZ, UK | Email: ceb4@eng.cam.ac.uk From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 7 11:35:02 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28839; Mon, 7 Nov 94 11:35:02 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02028; Mon, 7 Nov 94 11:24:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from bigcat.missouri.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02022; Mon, 7 Nov 94 11:24:46 -0800 Received: by bigcat.missouri.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22896; Mon, 7 Nov 94 13:24:41 CST Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 13:24:41 -0600 (CST) From: "Kevin D. Brand" Subject: pine To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Will pine mail work with on a system with Ultrix-32 v3.1b? What port will work best on Ultrix-32 v3.1b? thank you Kevin D. Brand Computer Technician & Lab Manager Central Methodist College Phone: (816) 248-3392 ext. 258/367 Fax: (816) 248-1634 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 7 11:58:30 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00166; Mon, 7 Nov 94 11:58:30 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02690; Mon, 7 Nov 94 11:50:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from THOR.INNOSOFT.COM by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02684; Mon, 7 Nov 94 11:50:18 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 1994 11:20:15 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: PORTIA@INNOSOFT.COM Resent-Message-Id: <9411071950.AA02684@mx1.cac.washington.edu> Received: from INNOSOFT.COM by INNOSOFT.COM (PMDF V4.3-13 #2001) id <01HJ72HSUX829VV51U@INNOSOFT.COM>; Mon, 07 Nov 1994 11:20:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 07 Nov 1994 11:20:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Portia Shao Subject: Re: Pine email (fwd) In-Reply-To: Resent-To: SDAY@MEDUSA.UNM.EDU To: "Stephen F. Day UNM HSCCS" Resent-Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, helpdesk@MEDUSA.UNM.EDU Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, HSCCS Help Desk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On Mon, 7 Nov 1994, Stephen F. Day UNM HSCCS wrote: > The following was sent to me by one of our staff. I am hoping someone > out there has an answer to this. We are just beginning to use VMS Pine > (from Innosoft) at our site. Since we are subscribed to your listserv, please, send this to us (service@innosoft.com) since you know you got Pine from Innosoft, not to the good pine people at UW who are not responsible for Pine on VMS. They may not mind, but I feel quilty everytime I see one of these which should be addressed to me. > please direct your response to helpdesk@medusa.unm.edu. > > I know the "<>" is another representation of "[]" for directory > specifications; however, most of our users know only of the square > brackets for this purpose. Can we change this from "<>" to "[]"? not easily, because Pine assigned special meaning for [] before it ever ran on VMS. This may be possible, but it is certainly low on my list of things to do to Pine. Functionality is more important than cosmetics. > > Finally, can a default path be used rather than the path that it > originated from? > > Thanks! > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Stephen F. Day (SFD7) VOICE: (505) 277-1698 > Health Sciences Ctr Computer Svcs BITNET: SDAY@MEDUSA > University of New Mexico INTERNET: sday@medusa.unm.edu > Albuquerque, NM 87131-5052 sday@salud.unm.edu > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Fri, 04 Nov 1994 13:37:22 -0600 (MDT) > From: HSCCS Help Desk Consultants > To: sday > Subject: Pine email > > I know this isn't high priority for you but... > I think that Pine will be useful for sending files (particulary binary > files) through email. I know at least one person per class asks for this > capibility. And [name omitted] would be most impressed if he could have > this. > > I've been working with it trying to send a binary file (which works just > fine). However, when you tell Pine to save it, it fills in the path and > username of the _sender_ of the file. For example, I sent a file from > MCCSDESK to CDEAN. As CDEAN, I view the attachment, and tell PINE to > save that section as a file. It fills in the following as the default > filename: > filename.ext this is the default because when the sender sends the message with Pine, the file name becomes part of the description of this attachment, and it is a perfectly reasonable name to use as a default (what else could be reasonable?) filename. I would probably agree that the directory and disk names are not always useful, but that all is part of the filename, and I can think of many cases where the directory would be a reasonable default when saving the part also. So the user is given the choice to change it to whatever he wants. > I can edit the <> as well as the username to correct it, but there must > be a better way. as for the difference between <> and [], Pine, being started on UNIX, uses [] for special meaning as a description when you attach a file, the fact that VMS uses [] as directory delimiter only makes it parse incorrectly. So I chose the alternate VMS directory spec <>. > I have looked at the pine.pinerc in both my Unix and VMS account and > cannot see where the <> is coming from, nor where to specify a default > save directory. > I did change the Folder-Collections and Mail-directory, to no > avail. > Any ideas? maybe an additional option would be nice. yup, and since this is not a VMS-specific request, it would be proper to address this to pine-info. > > Cyndi > > ************************************************************************ > HSCCS Help Desk Voice: (505) 277-1694 > Helpdesk Consultants & Liaisons Bitnet/CREN: HELPDESK@MEDUSA > Health Sciences Ctr Computer Services Internet: helpdesk@medusa.UNM.EDU > University of New Mexico Fax: (505) 277-5683 > ************************************************************************ > > > /portia portia@innosoft.com Innosoft International Inc. (818)919-3600 voice, (818)919-3614 fax 1050 East Garvey Ave South, West Covina, CA 91790 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 7 14:34:19 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06864; Mon, 7 Nov 94 14:34:19 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04378; Mon, 7 Nov 94 14:24:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04372; Mon, 7 Nov 94 14:24:24 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r4cDA-00000FC; Mon, 7 Nov 94 14:06 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Cher Wai Pang Subject: FORWARDED LETTER Date: Sun, 6 Nov 1994 16:22:02 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I recently sent a letter to a friend, and he has programmed his mail handler (I don't know if it is PINE) to automatically send out a message to people who e-mail him telling them he is not available. Anyone can tell me if this can be done with PINE 3.90? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 7 18:51:36 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17260; Mon, 7 Nov 94 18:51:36 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12137; Mon, 7 Nov 94 18:47:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12127; Mon, 7 Nov 94 18:47:05 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r4f6F-000017C; Mon, 7 Nov 94 17:11 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (Chris Saldanha) Subject: pine 3.91 NFS locking on IRIX5.2 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 17:48:53 GMT I had recently posted in comp.sys.sgi.apps about how pine 3.87 locks up when opening/saving to mailboxes over NFS, under IRIX 5.2 I received the suggestion from more than 1 person to upgrade pine to 3.9, and build using the "EXTRADRIVERS=mbox" option. I compiled pine3.91 yesterday, using the mbox option. The problem is exactly the same as before. Whenever mail is saved to another box, or I open any box except my INBOX (/usr/mail/csaldanh), pine locks up, apparently when trying to NFS lock that mailbox. It locks up, so that it can't be killed with ^C or suspended with ^Z. It must be killed -9. It screws up NFS so bad that I sometimes can't log back into the machine. It trys forever to mount my home directory. The machine must be rebooted. This does not happen under IRIX 4.0.5, on the same network/account. 4.0.5 works just fine (presumably because it is SVR3). I am having to read mail via IMAP mailboxes to get around this. It means that all the users must be validated each time they start pine, just to read their mail. I don't want to have to do that. Any ideas? I would prefer to get pine running via NFS again. --Chris Chris Saldanha | "Can I tell you what makes love Carleton University (Comp. Sci) | so frigtening? csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (NeXT/MIME) | Its that you don't own it. chris@computerActive.on.ca (NeXTMail) | It owns you." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 7 19:38:30 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18275; Mon, 7 Nov 94 19:38:30 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10190; Mon, 7 Nov 94 19:34:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10184; Mon, 7 Nov 94 19:34:41 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r4flf-00000uC; Mon, 7 Nov 94 17:54 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Pine 3.91 bug in .newsrc updating, and workaround Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 10:38:12 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII A bug has been discovered in .newsrc updating in Pine 3.91. If the user opens a newsgroup that is not currently in the .newsrc file (via the G command), deletes some messages, and then quits, Pine will write a line to the .newsrc that is not terminated with a newline. The workaround for this problem is to subscribe to new newsgroups before opening them. Subscribing writes a proper .newsrc line which is then updated properly. This bug is fixed in Pine 3.92. -- Mark -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 7 20:01:30 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18842; Mon, 7 Nov 94 20:01:30 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13137; Mon, 7 Nov 94 19:57:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13130; Mon, 7 Nov 94 19:57:12 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r4g0e-00000vC; Mon, 7 Nov 94 18:10 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: chip@clark.net (Chip Davis) Subject: Re: .addressbook won't prYnt in 3.91 Date: 7 Nov 1994 18:52:48 GMT Message-Id: <39lt20$bqk@clarknet.clark.net> References: <39e6ep$939@clarknet.clark.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks, Terry. That did the trick. I saw the help for that feature, but since I wasn't having the garbled output to the screen symptom, I didn't think that was my problem. It might not be a bad idea to add a mention of the 'attached-to-ANSI' problem to that help entry. Is there a downside to setting that feature on? I figure it's not the default for some reason. Thanks again for the quick response and solution. -Chip- On Mon, 7 Nov 1994 01:58:11 GMT, Terry Gray (gray@cac.washington.edu) wrote: : Do you have the feature "preserve-start-stop-characters" set? : If not, what happens when you do? : On 4 Nov 1994, Chip Davis wrote: : > When I try to prYnt my .addressbook in Pine 3.91, it gets about half-way : > down the page, then skips about a page-worth of entries before : > continuing. I checked .addressbook for something unusual at the point : > where it skips, but all's well. If I drop back to Pine 3.89 and prYnt : > the same .addressbook, it comes out perfect. I'm encountering no other : > printing anomalies associated with attached-to-ANSI printing. -- Chip Davis : chip@clark.net : Rexx Language Association : Team OS/2 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 7 20:24:07 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19526; Mon, 7 Nov 94 20:24:07 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10878; Mon, 7 Nov 94 20:20:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10872; Mon, 7 Nov 94 20:20:15 -0800 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07726; Mon, 7 Nov 94 20:20:11 -0800 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 20:20:10 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: Chip Davis Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: .addressbook won't prYnt in 3.91 In-Reply-To: <39lt20$bqk@clarknet.clark.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Chip, The downside to setting the "preserve-start-stop-characters" feature (and the reason it's not the default) is that if someone accidentally types a Ctl-S (XOFF), or line noise is interpreted as one, then Pine will mysteriously freeze with no warning, unless/until a Control-Q is received. If you have the option of configuring your equipment and comm software for h/w flow control, then you can have the best of both worlds... But if you have a device or software that requires software flow-control, there is no alternative but to accept this risk. -teg On 7 Nov 1994, Chip Davis wrote: > Thanks, Terry. That did the trick. I saw the help for that feature, but > since I wasn't having the garbled output to the screen symptom, I didn't > think that was my problem. It might not be a bad idea to add a mention > of the 'attached-to-ANSI' problem to that help entry. > > Is there a downside to setting that feature on? I figure it's not the > default for some reason. > > Thanks again for the quick response and solution. > > -Chip- > > On Mon, 7 Nov 1994 01:58:11 GMT, Terry Gray (gray@cac.washington.edu) wrote: > : Do you have the feature "preserve-start-stop-characters" set? > : If not, what happens when you do? > > : On 4 Nov 1994, Chip Davis wrote: > : > When I try to prYnt my .addressbook in Pine 3.91, it gets about half-way > : > down the page, then skips about a page-worth of entries before > : > continuing. I checked .addressbook for something unusual at the point > : > where it skips, but all's well. If I drop back to Pine 3.89 and prYnt > : > the same .addressbook, it comes out perfect. I'm encountering no other > : > printing anomalies associated with attached-to-ANSI printing. > > -- > Chip Davis : chip@clark.net : Rexx Language Association : Team OS/2 > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 7 20:25:59 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19569; Mon, 7 Nov 94 20:25:59 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10949; Mon, 7 Nov 94 20:22:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10943; Mon, 7 Nov 94 20:22:07 -0800 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07767; Mon, 7 Nov 94 20:22:00 -0800 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 20:21:59 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: Chris Saldanha Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: pine 3.91 NFS locking on IRIX5.2 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 7 Nov 1994, Chris Saldanha wrote: > I am having to read mail via IMAP mailboxes to get around this. It > means that all the users must be validated each time they start pine, > just to read their mail. I don't want to have to do that. Chris, Why not use rsh preauthentication with your IMAP server? Then you can avoid the locking hassles of NFS and also avoid a separate login. -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 7 21:33:42 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21104; Mon, 7 Nov 94 21:33:42 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11910; Mon, 7 Nov 94 21:30:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11904; Mon, 7 Nov 94 21:30:18 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r4hA2-00000iC; Mon, 7 Nov 94 19:23 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: nguyend@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (DizzyGypsy) Subject: [urgent help] compiled pine or sun_os Date: 7 Nov 1994 19:19:59 GMT Message-Id: <39lukv$1379@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> Hello everyone, I'm looking for a 'pine' program for my SunOS Release 4.0.3_Export Generic The system is very cruelly set up so there is no compiler nor gunzip utilities in place just yet. so if you know where I can get (we have not installed 'ftp' yet either) please let me know. The best way is to send me a compiled verion of pine to ale@frodo.mece.ualberta.ca Also, if you know where I can get Pico (the editor) then your help is greatly appreciated. Thank you very much in advance. Andy. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 7 22:02:49 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21648; Mon, 7 Nov 94 22:02:49 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14950; Mon, 7 Nov 94 21:58:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14944; Mon, 7 Nov 94 21:58:07 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r4hiR-00001JC; Mon, 7 Nov 94 19:59 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: fuzzy@fuzzy.dialup.access.net (Fuzzy) Subject: Re: mkpgp available by finger Date: 8 Nov 1994 03:55:46 GMT Message-Id: <39mss2$563@news.panix.com> References: <1994Nov5.190654.275@titan.sfasu.edu> J. Kelly Cunningham (deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu) wrote: finger: unknown host: lipschitz.sfasu.edu 11/07/94 22:48:31: [m0r4hWr-0003aSC] deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu ... deferred: (ERR_164) router match_mx_hosts: BIND server failure: Nameserver: Server failure: Unknown error can not finger or email you? thoughts?? Your Friend, _____ __ __ ____ ____ __ __ / ___// // //__ )/__ )\ \/ / / __/ / // / / /__ / /__\ / (_/ (____/ <____/<____//_/ Email: fuzzy@fuzzy.dialup.access.net (non-anon) an72289@anon.penet.fi (true anon) wi.687@wizvax.com (true anon) anon-2986@twwells.com (true anon) ================================================================= -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQCNAi4RAFMAAAEEANX2Ag3Tpif6YQMcB380Fb4azUfD6Me+eLYen62KT+IOPRby Sv8znFUT6UDNV7/YYVa8WpnGaDh2mry5UmoqvNkWZ1ngcl2x6wbOvJnunohDpEG8 gqxZ7mGP6G+ejRyT/kULNV96G9q/zlcJMCJD9La6KRlwo/U6s4TbvzdMEt9NAAUR tCVGdXp6eSA8ZnV6enlAZnV6enkuZGlhbHVwLmFjY2Vzcy5uZXQ+ =W71C -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 7 22:03:43 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21685; Mon, 7 Nov 94 22:03:43 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12283; Mon, 7 Nov 94 21:58:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12277; Mon, 7 Nov 94 21:58:10 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r4hiV-00001KC; Mon, 7 Nov 94 19:59 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Sami Mikhail Subject: Pine 3.91 - News Questions. Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 13:34:46 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have some NewBie questions. Answers, or pointers to answers would be greatly appreciated. [Questions based on the fact that I used to use tin for Newsreader, but Pine 3.91 is so much more user-friendly and usable!] 1. Is there a flag to get Pine to mark articles I have read as 'read' and not redisplay them when I go back into the group? (I know how to do it for mail and move it my 'read' folder, but have not found anything on News...) 2. Is there a way to sort incoming mail one way (say by arrival) and news folders another way (say ordered subject)? 3. Is there any way to get the number of unread articles in a newsgroup at the folder list? Thanks in advance for any and all assitance. Sami Mikhail (mikhail@unicomp.net) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 7 22:46:38 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22622; Mon, 7 Nov 94 22:46:38 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15567; Mon, 7 Nov 94 22:42:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15561; Mon, 7 Nov 94 22:42:47 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r4iSP-00001HC; Mon, 7 Nov 94 20:46 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark A Stephan Subject: HELP: removing name expanding in To: Pine V3.91 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 15:41:10 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I was wondering if there was a way to stop Pine V3.91 from expanding the To: field when you put a groupname in it. For example, if you type "workgroup" in the To: field, you may get 30 names...what if you don't want to print out all 30 names? Could you just put the "workgroup" in the Bcc field? I know that would be a little cumbersome, but i guess it would work...any suggestions? email appreciated -mark Mark Stephan The University of Michigan markstep@engin.umich.edu computer engineering @chgdss10.chgd.med.umich.edu The U of M Solar Car Team From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 7 22:48:18 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22665; Mon, 7 Nov 94 22:48:18 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12862; Mon, 7 Nov 94 22:44:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12856; Mon, 7 Nov 94 22:44:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r4im0-00001WC; Mon, 7 Nov 94 21:07 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mikhail@utic.unicomp.net (Sami Mikhail) Subject: Re: Pine 3.91 - News Questions. Date: 7 Nov 1994 20:35:49 GMT Message-Id: <39m335$la1@ns1.unicomp.net> References: Sorry remembered one more questions: Is there a way to implement a kill file, or the equivalent thereof? -- Sami Mikhail (mikhail@unicomp.net) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 7 23:10:04 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23017; Mon, 7 Nov 94 23:10:04 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15861; Mon, 7 Nov 94 23:05:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15855; Mon, 7 Nov 94 23:05:25 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Tue, 8 Nov 94 15:02:09 -0800 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 15:02:09 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Fuzzy Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: mkpgp available by finger In-Reply-To: <39mss2$563@news.panix.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 8 Nov 1994, Fuzzy wrote: > J. Kelly Cunningham (deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu) wrote: > > finger: unknown host: lipschitz.sfasu.edu > > 11/07/94 22:48:31: [m0r4hWr-0003aSC] deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu ... > deferred: (ERR_164) router match_mx_hosts: BIND server failure: > Nameserver: Server failure: Unknown error > > can not finger or email you? > > thoughts?? Sure....fix your DNS :-) Works from way over here in Taiwan.... Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 8 00:06:56 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24252; Tue, 8 Nov 94 00:06:56 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13796; Tue, 8 Nov 94 00:01:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13790; Tue, 8 Nov 94 00:01:15 -0800 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10867; Tue, 8 Nov 94 00:01:11 -0800 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 00:01:06 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: Sami Mikhail Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine 3.91 - News Questions. In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 7 Nov 1994, Sami Mikhail wrote: > I have some NewBie questions. Answers, or pointers to answers would be > greatly appreciated. > [Questions based on the fact that I used to use tin for Newsreader, but > Pine 3.91 is so much more user-friendly and usable!] > > 1. Is there a flag to get Pine to mark articles I have read as 'read' > and not redisplay them when I go back into the group? (I know how to do > it for mail and move it my 'read' folder, but have not found anything on > News...) At the moment the "read-message" folder feature only applies to INBOX, and not to newsgroups. Note that Pine, unlike some other newsreaders, doesn't cause messages to disappear simply because they have been viewed once. If you don't want to see them again, you mark them Deleted, just as in mail. Since the newsrc file is used to record which messages you've marked as deleted, it can't accurately record exactly which ones you've seen. However, you might find the "news-approximates-new-status" feature useful. > 2. Is there a way to sort incoming mail one way (say by arrival) and news > folders another way (say ordered subject)? Not at this time. > 3. Is there any way to get the number of unread articles in a newsgroup > at the folder list? Not at this time. > Thanks in advance for any and all assitance. You're welcome. -teg p.s. Re your subsequent msg: Kill files are not supported. Sorry. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 8 02:09:50 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27048; Tue, 8 Nov 94 02:09:50 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15278; Tue, 8 Nov 94 01:55:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15272; Tue, 8 Nov 94 01:55:40 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r4l8b-00001WC; Mon, 7 Nov 94 23:38 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rivaud@coyote.rain.org (L. E. de Rivaud) Subject: How to add HEADERS ? Date: 7 Nov 1994 23:02:24 -0800 Message-Id: <39n7q0$oj8@coyote.rain.org> I have tried to add a header that says, (w/o quotes), "Reply-To:username@address" and I don't seem to be able to do it. I tried by starting Pine and then choosing Config then Setup (or is it Setup then Config?) Anyway... I got a message to the effect, "Headers not found. Using default header information." or something like that. So then I tried editing the .pinerc file in my home dir and got the same message. HELP! Please tell me what I am doing wrong. Thanks. -- L. E. de Rivaud rivaud@rain.org From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 8 02:10:07 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27077; Tue, 8 Nov 94 02:10:07 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18089; Tue, 8 Nov 94 01:51:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18083; Tue, 8 Nov 94 01:51:39 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r4kjx-00001JC; Mon, 7 Nov 94 23:13 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lawless@sea.geog.ucsb.edu (Michael Lawless) Subject: HPUX and Pine. Cursor Problem. Date: 7 Nov 1994 22:26:55 GMT Message-Id: <39m9jf$fq@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu> For some reason, the cursor keys don't work for Pine on my HP workstation. Has anyone else had this problem? Is there a solution? -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Lawless |Remote Sensing Research Unit lawless@geog.ucsb.edu |Geography Department, UCSB "I dream in infra-red." |Santa Barbara, CA 93106 --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.1 mQBtAy6cMUoAAAEDAKbpkQa9zQOnykFKAcAO6J1ZO8N6yZcAiIS6Vg8/aTI44NmO 9Gt1p0a4M+6Wpy5PMlnZPjqlH6JSK8bqPApaVcLMEnmP5Vy7k+uLzExPP6MEptBH uWBcXF1qIZRU0zEjmQAFEbQqTWljaGFlbCBKLiBMYXdsZXNzIDxsYXdsZXNzQGdl b2cudWNzYi5lZHU+ =yV8M -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 8 03:14:44 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28497; Tue, 8 Nov 94 03:14:44 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19002; Tue, 8 Nov 94 03:06:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18996; Tue, 8 Nov 94 03:06:10 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r4mHF-00001gC; Tue, 8 Nov 94 00:51 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hlavaty@panix.com (Arthur Hlavaty) Subject: Re: Addressbook Nicknames Needed? Date: 7 Nov 1994 18:36:45 -0500 Message-Id: <39mdmd$t69@panix.com> References: <39er7o$edr@news.cais.com> Brad (syb3@aber.ac.uk) wrote: : On 5 Nov 1994 jlfitz@cais2.cais.com wrote: : > Is it necessary to use the nickname fields when entering data in : > the PINE address book? It gets real annoying trying to think of a : > nickname for every litte entry... : Uh, yes, you need a nickname for each entry. What would be the : point in the address book, otherwise?! To have a record of what address goes with what name. -- Arthur D. Hlavaty hlavaty@panix.com Church of the SuperGenius In Wile E. We Trust From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 8 04:25:16 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00763; Tue, 8 Nov 94 04:25:16 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17166; Tue, 8 Nov 94 04:12:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17160; Tue, 8 Nov 94 04:12:52 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r4oPP-00000JC; Tue, 8 Nov 94 03:08 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Wrong timezone in Pine Date field Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 16:25:43 -0800 Message-Id: References: <39ls18$qtv@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <39ls18$qtv@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> The timezone code has been completely rewritten since Pine 3.89. In particular I believe the HP port did have a bug like you describe... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 7 Nov 1994, Caroline Blackmun wrote: > Date: 7 NOV 1994 18:35:20 GMT > From: Caroline Blackmun > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Wrong timezone in Pine Date field > > I'm running Pine 3.89 under HP-UX 9.01 on various 700 series HPs. > > The timezone (TZ) is set to GMT0BST. The UK reverted to GMT on 23rd > October, and all other programs on our systems are correctly reporting > the time in GMT (including sendmail and other MUAs). However, Pine is > creating date stamps of the form: > > Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 17:08:54 +0100 (BST) > > where the actual time is in GMT (i.e. it was 17:08 local time when the > mail was sent), and hence the time is an hour out. > > Is there some configuration I've missed to fix this? I couldn't find > anything in the FAQ, or anything in the 3.91 release notes to suggest > 3.91 fixes this. > > Caroline Blackmun > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Caroline Blackmun, Postmaster | Tel: +44 1223 330265 > Cambridge University Engineering Dept | > Trumpington St, Cambridge, CB2 1PZ, UK | Email: ceb4@eng.cam.ac.uk > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 8 04:26:38 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00800; Tue, 8 Nov 94 04:26:38 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20095; Tue, 8 Nov 94 04:12:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20088; Tue, 8 Nov 94 04:12:55 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r4oQg-00000hC; Tue, 8 Nov 94 03:09 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: fuzzy@fuzzy.dialup.access.net (Fuzzy) Subject: cmsg cancel <39mss2$563@news.panix.com> Control: cancel <39mss2$563@news.panix.com> Date: 8 Nov 1994 11:09:19 GMT Message-Id: <39nm8v$q89@news.panix.com> Article cancelled from within tin [v1.2 PL2] From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 8 06:21:47 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03208; Tue, 8 Nov 94 06:21:47 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18628; Tue, 8 Nov 94 06:09:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18622; Tue, 8 Nov 94 06:09:21 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r4qRR-00000BC; Tue, 8 Nov 94 05:18 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mike Roch Subject: Relative impact of imap/pc clients vs telnet/pine sessions Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 12:01:20 GMT Take a multiuser machine, say a Sun 4/370. If it can support N pc users who telnet in and run a continuous pine session, it can presumably support M x N pc users were they all to adopt an IMAP based PC mua. Any guesses on the value of M? (We get N up to 40 or so on the model suggested). Mike ============================================================================== Mike Roch, Computer Services Centre, Tel: 0734 318430 The University, Whiteknights, Reading, RG6 2AF Fax: 0734 753094 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 8 07:43:05 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04818; Tue, 8 Nov 94 07:43:05 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19455; Tue, 8 Nov 94 07:08:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from cortex.isg-us.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19449; Tue, 8 Nov 94 07:08:14 -0800 Received: by cortex.isg-us.com (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA15331; Tue, 8 Nov 94 10:06:39 -0500 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 10:09:01 EST From: Armand Doucette Reply-To: Armand.Doucette@isg-us.com Subject: From or Reply-To address incorrect To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Priority: Normal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII My question/problem has to do with From and Reply-To addresses. I'm running PINE version 3.89 on a VMS host(the Bourvine port) talking to an IMAP server on a UNIX box. When I compose a message, the From address is created using the username on the VMS host. I'm told that PINE on UNIX works the same way. If I do not modify the "user-domain" variable in the pine.conf file, then the address is repliable. That is, the username and hostname for the From address are taken from the VMS client. What I would like is for either the From address or a Reply-to address(this does not get created now) to be the address(username and hostname) of the account on the IMAP server. One other thing to note is that the usernames on the VMS "client" are not the same as the associated account on the IMAP server box. For example, John Smith user may have an account on the VMS system with a username "smith" while on the IMAP server, his username is "john". If I could get the From address or the Reply-to address to use the username on the server, I could modify the "user-domain" flag on the client so that the hostname is not used in the >From address which would result an appropriate reply address to the server(username@domain) via an MX record. Any help you could offer would be much appreciated. I would even consider altering the code if that's what must be done and if you could point me in the right direction. Armand International Software Group, Inc. 100 Fifth Avenue Waltham, MA 02154 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 8 08:08:26 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05601; Tue, 8 Nov 94 08:08:26 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19942; Tue, 8 Nov 94 07:41:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ees1a0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19936; Tue, 8 Nov 94 07:41:18 -0800 Received: by ees1a0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1-940815-1) id AA01919; Tue, 8 Nov 94 10:37:53 EST Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 10:34:22 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Schlitt Subject: Message-ID in Pine Sun Binary To: Pine List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII A quick question which probably has a simple solution that I don't see. I just upgraded from 3.05 to 3.91 and now the Message-ID does not contain the complete FQDN but just the hostname. I have tried a few of the options which I thought should have an effect but nothing seems to work. Is there a way to get the fully qualified name without doing a compile? Thanks. /dan -- Dan Schlitt School of Engineering Computer Systems dan@ee-mail.engr.ccny.cuny.edu City College of New York (212)650-6760 New York, NY 10031 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 8 08:56:26 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07183; Tue, 8 Nov 94 08:56:26 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23618; Tue, 8 Nov 94 08:26:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23612; Tue, 8 Nov 94 08:26:57 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r4szH-00000BC; Tue, 8 Nov 94 08:01 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: fuzzy@fuzzy.dialup.access.net (Fuzzy) Subject: cmsg cancel <39mnbb$563@news.panix.com> Control: cancel <39mnbb$563@news.panix.com> Date: 8 Nov 1994 03:45:23 GMT Message-Id: <39ms8j$563@news.panix.com> Article cancelled from within tin [v1.2 PL2] From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 8 09:39:08 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09331; Tue, 8 Nov 94 09:39:08 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24750; Tue, 8 Nov 94 09:09:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from freenet.edmonton.ab.ca by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24744; Tue, 8 Nov 94 09:09:36 -0800 Received: by freenet.edmonton.ab.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/FEAC1.002) id AA22730; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 10:02:20 -0700 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 10:02:18 -0700 (MST) From: Dieter Simader To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Answer flag in folder index (PINE 3.91) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have noticed that the answer flag does not show up when I reply to message and then move the message to another folder. any remedies, other than moving the mail first and then replying? dieter From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 8 11:13:38 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13763; Tue, 8 Nov 94 11:13:38 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24423; Tue, 8 Nov 94 11:02:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24417; Tue, 8 Nov 94 11:02:03 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r4vSK-000006C; Tue, 8 Nov 94 10:39 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: adaniel@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Amirtham Daniel) Subject: tech writer Date: 7 Nov 1994 00:58:45 GMT Message-Id: <39ju45$8n@chaos.dac.neu.edu> Hi, Is anyone out there hiring tech writers in the NE? adaniel@lynx.dac.neu.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 8 11:20:02 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14084; Tue, 8 Nov 94 11:20:02 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27612; Tue, 8 Nov 94 11:10:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27606; Tue, 8 Nov 94 11:10:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r4vdq-00000BC; Tue, 8 Nov 94 10:51 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hamjavar@unm.edu (Farid Hamjavar) Subject: compond srting search via ; Date: 8 Nov 1994 11:14:12 -0700 Message-Id: <39of5k$mlt@pegasus.unm.edu> pine 3.91 Hello Is there any way I can do compound string search ? I have a folder of a 1000 messages. I search (;ta) for string: lang 1) I search (;ta) for string: lang 2) Then I 'zoom' 3) Then at this point I would like to do further string search for other strings.... is it possible? Is ';' recursive? How far can I go extracting strings from Thanks, Farid From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 8 11:24:10 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14272; Tue, 8 Nov 94 11:24:10 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27748; Tue, 8 Nov 94 11:15:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27742; Tue, 8 Nov 94 11:15:50 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r4vhg-00000FC; Tue, 8 Nov 94 10:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: How to add HEADERS ? Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 10:43:05 -0800 Message-Id: References: <39n7q0$oj8@coyote.rain.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <39n7q0$oj8@coyote.rain.org> Which entry did you add it to? Which version of Pine? Did you put a space between the "Reply-To:" and the "username@address"? |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 7 Nov 1994, L. E. de Rivaud wrote: > Date: 7 NOV 1994 23:02:24 -0800 > From: L. E. de Rivaud > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: How to add HEADERS ? > > I have tried to add a header that says, (w/o quotes), > "Reply-To:username@address" and I don't seem to be able to do it. I > tried by starting Pine and then choosing Config then Setup (or is it > Setup then Config?) Anyway... > > I got a message to the effect, "Headers not found. Using default header > information." or something like that. > > So then I tried editing the .pinerc file in my home dir and got the same > message. > > HELP! Please tell me what I am doing wrong. > > Thanks. > > > > -- > > L. E. de Rivaud > rivaud@rain.org > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 8 11:31:23 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14654; Tue, 8 Nov 94 11:31:23 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24747; Tue, 8 Nov 94 11:15:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24741; Tue, 8 Nov 94 11:15:46 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r4vgt-00000CC; Tue, 8 Nov 94 10:54 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Why does pine think mail reply will be posted to millions? Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 10:39:31 -0800 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: The bug has been fixed in Pine 3.91... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 8 Nov 1994, R. Stewart Ellis wrote: > Date: 8 NOV 94 12:51:07 GMT > From: R. Stewart Ellis > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Why does pine think mail reply will be posted to millions? > > I am using pine 3.90 (yeah I know) on SunOS 4.1.3. Occasionally when > responding to a mail message with no Newsgroups header when I type ^X to > send it, pine tells me "Message may go out to millions of users....". If I > tell it no, go bak into the editor and try again, it does not give me the > message. Examination of the headers in Rich Header Mode shows a blank > Nwsgrps or similar spelling header. > > What is the heuristic that is tripping it up? Has this bug been fixed in > 3.91? > > > -- > R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)313-762-9765 ___________________ > Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ > Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / > Gopher,chimera,nn,tin,jove,modems, free code is best!/________/ / / / / > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 8 11:45:04 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15238; Tue, 8 Nov 94 11:45:04 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25154; Tue, 8 Nov 94 11:37:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25148; Tue, 8 Nov 94 11:37:14 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r4w2p-000006C; Tue, 8 Nov 94 11:17 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Andrew J. Woodward <74171.2626@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Pine and Unixware Date: 8 Nov 1994 07:52:43 GMT Message-Id: <39naob$g3r$1@mhadf.production.compuserve.com> I have been trying to get Pine to work properly on Novell's Unixware without much success. Unixware runs something called mailsurr instead of sendmail. If anyone has been successful getting Pine to run on Unixware, I would be grateful if you would share the secret of how it is done. Thanks -- Andrew J. Woodward From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 8 12:07:21 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16367; Tue, 8 Nov 94 12:07:21 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25541; Tue, 8 Nov 94 11:55:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25535; Tue, 8 Nov 94 11:55:28 -0800 Received: from elvis.med.virginia.edu by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa26146; 8 Nov 94 14:55 EST Received: by elvis.med.Virginia.EDU (5.65c/1.34) id AA20573; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 14:55:24 -0500 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 14:55:23 -0500 (EST) From: "Steven D. Majewski" X-Sender: sdm7g@elvis.med.Virginia.EDU To: Farid Hamjavar Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: compond srting search via ; In-Reply-To: <39of5k$mlt@pegasus.unm.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 8 Nov 1994, Farid Hamjavar wrote: > Is there any way I can do compound string search ? > > I have a folder of a 1000 messages. I search (;ta) for string: lang > 1) I search (;ta) for string: lang > 2) Then I 'zoom' > 3) Then at this point I would like to do further string search > for other strings.... is it possible? > > Is ';' recursive? How far can I go extracting strings from > You will note that once you have selected some messages, the prompt on the next select ";" command will change and offer you the choice to Unselect, Broaden or Narrow your selection. Narrow is basically an AND (it will exclude some selected messages) and Broaded is an OR ( it will include more messages in the selected group. ) -- Steve Majewski (804-982-0831) -- -- UVA Department of Molecular Physiology and Biological Physics -- -- Box 449 Health Science Center Charlottesville,VA 22908 -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 8 12:38:29 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17707; Tue, 8 Nov 94 12:38:29 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29398; Tue, 8 Nov 94 12:31:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29390; Tue, 8 Nov 94 12:31:01 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r4wuP-000008C; Tue, 8 Nov 94 12:12 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: russell@lithium.verity.com. (Russell Van Tassell) Subject: Re: .forward problem... Date: 8 Nov 1994 00:34:08 -0800 Message-Id: <39nd60$c08@lithium.verity.com> References: <39fsoh$c3u@mistral.toppoint.de> Kai Voigt wrote: > > [.forward question deleted] > >Just put the following two lines into your .forward at your A account: > >\A >B > >So a copy will be kept at your A account. The backslash is needed to >prevent infinite loops. More specifically... the backslash tells sendmail that it's a system mailbox, whereas without it, it tries to forward it a few dozen times before it gives up (thirty, if I recall correctly). Amazing how the "circular loop" logic is worked out with alias files whereas the .forward can still confuse (one word, makealiaes? *smile*) Russell -- -- russell@verity.com Verity, Inc. 1550 Plymouth Street http://www.verity.com/ Mountain View, CA 94043 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 8 13:40:30 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20673; Tue, 8 Nov 94 13:40:30 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27686; Tue, 8 Nov 94 13:31:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27680; Tue, 8 Nov 94 13:31:06 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r4xpR-000006C; Tue, 8 Nov 94 13:11 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bycgjld@crl.com (Ronald L. Bolin) Subject: AUTO READ MAILBOX FEATURE?? Date: 8 Nov 1994 04:09:54 -0800 Message-Id: <39npqi$iev@crl.crl.com> Does Pine 3.89 and higher have an auto-read-mail-box feature so that you don't have to go in and out of pine to get you new mail messages? If so, how does one configure pine to do this? Elm does this, so I should think Pine can do it also ?? Please e-mail your response. Thank's in advance. Ron -- Ron Bolin Internet: bycgjld@crl.com * RLB Consulting UNIX/C/C++/System Admin * From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 8 14:22:37 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22439; Tue, 8 Nov 94 14:22:37 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01618; Tue, 8 Nov 94 14:01:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01612; Tue, 8 Nov 94 14:01:18 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r4yIm-000006C; Tue, 8 Nov 94 13:42 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Why does pine think mail reply will be posted to millions? Date: 8 Nov 94 12:51:07 GMT Message-Id: I am using pine 3.90 (yeah I know) on SunOS 4.1.3. Occasionally when responding to a mail message with no Newsgroups header when I type ^X to send it, pine tells me "Message may go out to millions of users....". If I tell it no, go bak into the editor and try again, it does not give me the message. Examination of the headers in Rich Header Mode shows a blank Nwsgrps or similar spelling header. What is the heuristic that is tripping it up? Has this bug been fixed in 3.91? -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)313-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Gopher,chimera,nn,tin,jove,modems, free code is best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 8 14:28:55 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22619; Tue, 8 Nov 94 14:28:55 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28565; Tue, 8 Nov 94 14:16:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28559; Tue, 8 Nov 94 14:16:16 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r4yYC-00000BC; Tue, 8 Nov 94 13:58 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lucio@ifctr.mi.cnr.it (Lucio Chiappetti) Subject: Re: Addressbook Nicknames Needed? Date: 8 Nov 1994 07:23:15 -0600 Message-Id: <9411081329.AA09773@poseidon.ifctr.mi.cnr.it> References: On 5 Nov 1994 jlfitz@cais2.cais.com wrote: |> |> > Is it necessary to use the nickname fields when entering data in |> > the PINE address book? It gets real annoying trying to think of a |> > nickname for every litte entry... Personally I hate instead typing full e-mail addresses and could not live without nicknames since the times of Bitnet/IBM Rice Mail. Pine is much better than any other mailing s/w I've seen on Unix. I like using nicknames, and I like the fact Pine produces headers with both the e-mail address and the person true name. I personally do not have any doubt in thinking a nickname for any "every little entry", I usually use the person name, surname or e-mail username (but I'd never again have to remember the node and domain !). I even use nicknames for local users, so that Pine may include the user full name. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- A member of G.ASS : Group for Astronomical Software Support ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lucio Chiappetti - IFCTR/CNR | Ma te' vugl' da' quost avis a ti' Orsign via Bassini 15 - I-20133 Milano | Buttet rabios intant te se' pisnign Internet: LUCIO@IFCTR.MI.CNR.IT | Decnet: IFCTR::LUCIO | (Rabisch, II 46, 119-120) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 8 14:59:10 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24115; Tue, 8 Nov 94 14:59:10 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02866; Tue, 8 Nov 94 14:52:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02860; Tue, 8 Nov 94 14:52:33 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r4z5w-000006C; Tue, 8 Nov 94 14:32 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Colette Monaghan Subject: Re: Pine 3.91 - News Questions. Date: 8 Nov 1994 13:54:49 GMT Message-Id: <39nvv9$pui@helios.herts.ac.uk> References: Pine 3.91 - News Questions. Is it possible to select a number of newsgroups and subscribe to them in one go? If you are a new user to News and don't already have a .newsrc file then it seems a rather tedious selection process, unless I'm missing a vital point. It seems that you select a newsgroup confirm that you want to subscribe, then have to choose subscribe again at which point you are back at the top of the list of all possible newsgroups. You then need to either page forward or search for a string until you get back to where you where. Then the whole procedure starts all over again. I know you can give a string to base your selection procedure on a particular group, but that's only useful if you know what you're looking for. Is it possible to use the relatively new aggregate command that is now available in Pine to select a number of newsgroups and subscribe in a oner? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 8 15:45:13 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26276; Tue, 8 Nov 94 15:45:13 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00437; Tue, 8 Nov 94 15:38:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00431; Tue, 8 Nov 94 15:38:26 -0800 Via: uk.ac.durham; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 20:49:17 +0000 Received: from venus.dur.ac.uk by durham.ac.uk; Tue, 8 Nov 94 20:49:24 GMT Received: from altair (altair.dur.ac.uk) by venus.dur.ac.uk; Tue, 8 Nov 94 20:49:02 GMT Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 20:49:00 +0000 (GMT) From: Barry Cornelius To: Dan Schlitt Cc: Pine List Subject: Re: Message-ID in Pine Sun Binary In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1384 On Tue, 8 Nov 1994, Dan Schlitt wrote: > A quick question which probably has a simple solution that I don't see. > I just upgraded from 3.05 to 3.91 and now the Message-ID does not contain > the complete FQDN but just the hostname. I have tried a few of the > options which I thought should have an effect but nothing seems to work. > Is there a way to get the fully qualified name without doing a compile? Your Subject says "Sun Binary". Is this a binary obtained from Washington or is it one that you have compiled yourself? Is it for Solaris 2.x or SunOS 4.1.x? If it's for Solaris 2.x, then I think this is caused by a what I think is a bug in Solaris 2.3. The file pine/reply.c has the generate_message_id function. It uses the value of ps->hostname. This value is set up by init_hostname in init.c. The function init_hostname calls getdomainnames to generate this value. The function getdomainnames is defined in pine/osdep/domnames. It uses gethostbyname. I believe that the Solaris 2.3 gethostbyname does not return a FQDN. Please tell me if I am wrong! -- Barry Cornelius Telephone: (0191 or +44 191) 374 4717 IT Service, Science Site, IT Service Office: (0191 or +44 191) 374 2892 University of Durham, Fax: (0191 or +44 191) 374 3741 Durham, DH1 3LE, UK E-mail: Barry.Cornelius@durham.ac.uk From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 8 16:39:22 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28206; Tue, 8 Nov 94 16:39:22 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05305; Tue, 8 Nov 94 16:31:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ees1a0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05293; Tue, 8 Nov 94 16:31:30 -0800 Received: by ees1a0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1-940815-1) id AA09291; Tue, 8 Nov 94 19:30:52 EST Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 19:27:54 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Schlitt Subject: Re: Message-ID in Pine Sun Binary To: Barry Cornelius Cc: Pine List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII It is the Sun OS binary from Washington. Ordinarily I would not be asking. I would just compile the source. However, somewhere on the path between here and Seattle there is a lot of packet loss so I have not been able to ftp the source. (It took 2 hours to get the binary :-( ) /dan -- Dan Schlitt School of Engineering Computer Systems dan@ee-mail.engr.ccny.cuny.edu City College of New York (212)650-6760 New York, NY 10031 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 8 17:12:11 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00319; Tue, 8 Nov 94 17:12:11 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05935; Tue, 8 Nov 94 17:02:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rgti.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05929; Tue, 8 Nov 94 17:02:26 -0800 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 20:01:54 -0500 (EST) From: Ami! To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <941108200155.20a00624@RGTI.COM> Subject: Newbie question 'bout ^_ , alternate editor Hello all, I'm using PINE 3.91 on AIX, but with a VT (420) terminal. It appears to me that this keyboard cannot send a control-underscore. Has anyone else out there figured out a way around this. I've enabled the alternate editor implicitly for now, but I still like to use PINE's regular editor most of the time, and emacs occasionally. Thanks, Ami Setton, RGTI Systems/Software ami@rgti.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 8 22:38:43 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07743; Tue, 8 Nov 94 22:38:43 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11018; Tue, 8 Nov 94 22:32:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11012; Tue, 8 Nov 94 22:32:12 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r56GG-000008C; Tue, 8 Nov 94 22:12 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: richard@strauss.udel.edu (Richard E. Gordon) Subject: cmsg cancel <39o7t4$l3v@strauss.udel.edu> Control: cancel <39o7t4$l3v@strauss.udel.edu> Date: 8 Nov 1994 11:13:06 -0500 Message-Id: <39o82i$ljd@strauss.udel.edu> <39o7t4$l3v@strauss.udel.edu> was cancelled from within trn. -- Richard Gordon richard@strauss.udel.edu User Services, Smith Hall acs02244@udelvm.bitnet University of Delaware (302) 831-1717 Newark, DE 19716 USA (302) 831-4205 (fax) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 8 23:04:01 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08297; Tue, 8 Nov 94 23:04:01 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07357; Tue, 8 Nov 94 22:58:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07351; Tue, 8 Nov 94 22:58:17 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r56g5-000008C; Tue, 8 Nov 94 22:38 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hamjavar@fornax.unm.edu (Farid Hamjavar) Subject: Re: compund string search Date: 8 Nov 1994 20:20:25 GMT Message-Id: <39omi9$s7i@lynx.unm.edu> My question was answered .... Thanks, Farid On Tue, 8 Nov 1994, Steven D. Majewski wrote: > Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 14:55:23 -0500 (EST) > From: Steven D. Majewski > To: Farid Hamjavar > Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu > Subject: Re: compond srting search via ; > > On 8 Nov 1994, Farid Hamjavar wrote: > > > Is there any way I can do compound string search ? > > > > I have a folder of a 1000 messages. I search (;ta) for string: lang > > 1) I search (;ta) for string: lang > > 2) Then I 'zoom' > > 3) Then at this point I would like to do further string search > > for other strings.... is it possible? > > > > Is ';' recursive? How far can I go extracting strings from > > > > You will note that once you have selected some messages, the prompt > on the next select ";" command will change and offer you the choice > to Unselect, Broaden or Narrow your selection. Narrow is basically > an AND (it will exclude some selected messages) and Broaded is an OR > ( it will include more messages in the selected group. ) > > -- Steve Majewski (804-982-0831) -- > -- UVA Department of Molecular Physiology and Biological Physics -- > -- Box 449 Health Science Center Charlottesville,VA 22908 -- > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 8 23:48:38 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09216; Tue, 8 Nov 94 23:48:38 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11970; Tue, 8 Nov 94 23:42:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11964; Tue, 8 Nov 94 23:42:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r57Q3-000006C; Tue, 8 Nov 94 23:26 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul Aucoin Subject: Copying addresses from text Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 15:39:24 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII How can I copy an address that is part of the text (but not in the return address header) of one message and then insert this address into the "to:" header of a new message I wish to compose and send? ^K/^U does not work. ///Paul aucoin@evansville.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 9 00:18:52 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10005; Wed, 9 Nov 94 00:18:52 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08334; Wed, 9 Nov 94 00:14:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08328; Wed, 9 Nov 94 00:14:40 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r57rU-00000LC; Tue, 8 Nov 94 23:54 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jeremy@MCS.COM (Jeremy Smith) Subject: 132 Column ? Date: 8 Nov 1994 16:16:51 -0600 Message-Id: <39otcj$d92@Mars.mcs.com> I access the net through a terminal progam (Qmodem) via a provider. Is there a way to tell PINE to display 132 columns (Qmodem supports 132 column display and VT emulation) so that I can see full newsgroup descriptions along with senders name? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- jeremy@mcs.com CIS 71341,2774 AOL N9jlv - Elgin, Il. 708-888-0008 voice/FAX ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 9 00:25:53 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10176; Wed, 9 Nov 94 00:25:53 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12515; Wed, 9 Nov 94 00:21:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12509; Wed, 9 Nov 94 00:21:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r5805-00000OC; Wed, 9 Nov 94 00:03 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: black@csulb.edu (Matthew Black) Subject: full-name substitution on To: header Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 14:21:46 Message-Id: Pine behaves differently on two of our systems. On an Ultrix system running pine 3.88, it automatically converts a naked address to a full alias and address. That is, if I type "black" on the To: line, it is automatically converted to "Matthew Black ". On an SGI IRIX 5.2 system running pine 3.90 and the same global pine configuration file .pinerc, it doesn't perform the automatic conversion of a naked address. Can anyone offer advice why these systems behave differently? --matt ============================================================================== matthew black, systems analyst | The opinions expressed herein are mine and california state university | don't necessarily reflect those my employer. cecs department | long beach, ca 90840 | email: black@csulb.edu ===============================(c) 1994 by Matthew Black, all rights reserved= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 9 00:59:05 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11022; Wed, 9 Nov 94 00:59:05 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08806; Wed, 9 Nov 94 00:53:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08800; Wed, 9 Nov 94 00:53:08 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Wed, 9 Nov 94 16:49:45 -0800 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 16:49:44 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Matthew Black Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: full-name substitution on To: header In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 8 Nov 1994, Matthew Black wrote: > Pine behaves differently on two of our systems. > > On an Ultrix system running pine 3.88, it automatically converts > a naked address to a full alias and address. That is, if I type > "black" on the To: line, it is automatically converted to > "Matthew Black ". > > On an SGI IRIX 5.2 system running pine 3.90 and the same > global pine configuration file .pinerc, it doesn't perform the > automatic conversion of a naked address. > > Can anyone offer advice why these systems behave differently? The behave differently because much has changed between 3.88 and 3.90. In fact, the way the .pinerc defines and handles the situation that you describe has changed from 3.90 to 3.91. Suggest you upgrade all of your systems to 3.91 and then check out the options "Use-Only-Domain-Name" and "quell-user-lookup-in-passwd-file". Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 9 03:37:56 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15028; Wed, 9 Nov 94 03:37:56 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10898; Wed, 9 Nov 94 03:32:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10892; Wed, 9 Nov 94 03:32:05 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r5Auw-000006C; Wed, 9 Nov 94 03:10 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Pine email (fwd) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 10:34:17 -0800 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Mon, 7 Nov 1994, Portia Shao wrote: > Date: Mon, 7 NOV 1994 18:20:15 GMT > From: Portia Shao > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Re: Pine email (fwd) > > On Mon, 7 Nov 1994, Stephen F. Day UNM HSCCS wrote: > > > The following was sent to me by one of our staff. I am hoping someone > > out there has an answer to this. We are just beginning to use VMS Pine > > (from Innosoft) at our site. Since we are subscribed to your listserv, > > please, send this to us (service@innosoft.com) since you know you got Pine > from Innosoft, not to the good pine people at UW who are not responsible > for Pine on VMS. They may not mind, but I feel quilty everytime I see one > of these which should be addressed to me. > This particular question was pretty specific to the VMS port, but in general I don't mind seeing general VMS Pine questions on pine-info/comp.mail.pine. Where VMS Pine questions and bug reports should not be sent is to pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu, though we will forward them along... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 9 05:23:17 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18235; Wed, 9 Nov 94 05:23:17 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16619; Wed, 9 Nov 94 05:17:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16613; Wed, 9 Nov 94 05:17:19 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r5Ce3-000006C; Wed, 9 Nov 94 05:00 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shrim@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Rolling Stones) Subject: Re: How to add HEADERS ? Date: 9 Nov 1994 00:32:10 GMT Message-Id: <39p5aa$aag@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> References: <39n7q0$oj8@coyote.rain.org> <39omds$2hc@coyote.rain.org> Comes here Mr/Mz. L. E. de Rivaud with this query in the "comp.mail.pine" group in this article on 8 Nov 1994 12:18:04 -0800: + USING PINE 3.90 and yes I put the added header just as I put it in my + last message, (below). If anyone has done this successfully I would like + to see your .pinerc file. + + : I have tried to add a header that says, (w/o quotes), + : "Reply-To:username@address" and I don't seem to be able to do it. I Here's the relevant extract of .pinerc Enjoy!! ============================================================================= # Updated by Pine(tm) 3.90, copyright 1989-1993 University of Washington. # # Pine configuration file -- customize as needed. # Your full name personal-name=The Shrim Dude! [stuff deleted] # Only show these headers (by default) when composing messages default-composer-hdrs=Subject, Bcc, Cc, To # Add these customized headers (and possible default values) when composing customized-hdrs=Suggest: As always send e-mail to help@astro for further help., Reply-To: shrim@astro.ocis.temple.edu, Return-Receipt-To:, Disclaimer: Talk about me talking for others esp. My Employers! ============================================================================= The above works like *yumm* for me, thanks to The Pine Team for 3.90 But one _glitch_ with this is, when you invoke Rich Headers and then postpone the composition, upon resumption it cuts off my Suggest/Disclaimer header values. This I have been told has been fixed in 3.91 (haven't had a chance to get that to compile on MIPS-211AC) If you do have any problem with getting this to work, send me an e-mail. -- o o o o o o o . . . _~~~__~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ _~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ o _____ | /__ | | Compt. Svcs. | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====_____ | __/ riram NCV | | Temple Univ. | >(________|__|_[_________]_|______________________|_|_______________|_ _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o^o^o o^o^o` 'o^o o^o` ======================================================================== Talk about me doing the talking for others, esp. My Employers!! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 9 07:32:20 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22057; Wed, 9 Nov 94 07:32:20 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14330; Wed, 9 Nov 94 07:17:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14324; Wed, 9 Nov 94 07:17:16 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r5ELq-00000IC; Wed, 9 Nov 94 06:50 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bruceb@efn.org (Bruce Berryhill) Subject: Re: Redirect incoming mail Message-Id: References: <39heth$84o@merlion.singnet.com.sg> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 01:17:11 GMT Can we have a FAQ? Pine has no clue about mail filtering. You have to find out what your local system offers. My system filters mail through elm and filter. Ask your sysadm. If you want to put your outgoing mail in a folder, set default-fcc. -bruceb In <39heth$84o@merlion.singnet.com.sg> sajari@merlion.singnet.com.sg (Sajari) writes: >I'm sorry if this question been ask before, how do we redirect an >incoming mail to a specific folder either from or to in pine. >-- >............................................................................. > ******************************** >sajari * eat to live, not live to eat * >with regard ******************************** >::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- -bruceb From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 9 08:55:58 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26116; Wed, 9 Nov 94 08:55:58 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15761; Wed, 9 Nov 94 08:26:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15733; Wed, 9 Nov 94 08:25:17 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Thu, 10 Nov 94 00:22:00 -0800 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 00:21:59 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Bruce Berryhill Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Redirect incoming mail In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 9 Nov 1994, Bruce Berryhill wrote: > Can we have a FAQ? Pine has no clue about mail filtering. You have to > find out what your local system offers. My system filters mail through > elm and filter. Ask your sysadm. Are you asking for a reprint??? :-) :-) PINE FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS The following questions have been compiled from questions asked on the pine-info and pine-bugs mailing lists. General * What is Pine? * What is MIME? * What is IMAP? * How can I get a copy of Pine? * Is there a manual? * What mailing lists and newsgroups are there dealing with Pine? * What are all these funny names in your examples? * How many sites use Pine? Errors and Problems * I have found a bug in Pine 3.05. Could you please fix it? * If I postpone a Reply, there is no 'A' in the index after I resume and send it. * "Folder Format Invalidated (consult an expert), aborted" * What is folder locking and how does it work? * What happens when two Pine sessions access the same mailbox simultaneously? * Why did I get the message "locked, override in XXX sec"? * Why is a charset=US-ASCII attachment sent using BASE64 encoding? Usage * How do I keep all of the names from showing up at the top of the message? * How do I use Ispell with Pine (and Pico)? * How can I have a signature automatically appended to my mail messages? * How do I read News with Pine? * Can I post news with Pine? * How do I "paste" an address from the addressbook into the text of a message? * How can I filter messages into different incoming folders? * Can I define a Reply-To: header? * Can I execute Pine from a shell script so I can use my addressbook? * xbiff lets me know about new mail, but pine doesn't know about it. * How can I read a ROT13 encoded message? Installation and Configuration * Can Kerberos or AFS authentication be used with Pine? * Can PC-Pine be used with a POP server? * What is a Tenex mailbox and why should I use it? * Where does Unix Pine look for configuration information? * Where does PC-Pine look for configuration information? * How do I make Pine work with my older terminal? * How do I configure Pine to not leave mail in /usr/spool/mail? Platform Specific * To what platforms has Pine been ported? * Pine 3.89 on an IBM RS/6000 running AIX 3.2.3 crashes every time I try to open a folder. * What PC comm software works with the "Print to ANSI" print option? * What Mac comm software works with the "Print to ANSI" print option? * What Amiga comm software works with the "Print to ANSI" print option? Conversions * How can someone without a MIME-aware mail program decipher an attachment? * How do I convert a Sun Mailtool attachment to MIME format? * How do I convert Berkeley Mail aliases to Pine Addressbook? * How do I convert Elm aliases to Pine Addressbook? Development Info * What are the current versions of Pine and related software? * What is new in this version of Pine? * When is the next release of Pine (tentatively) scheduled? * What new features will the next release of Pine include? --========== Content-Description: General Questions About Pine Content-Type: MULTIPART/DIGEST; BOUNDARY="----------" Subject: General Questions About Pine GENERAL QUESTIONS ABOUT PINE ------------ Content-Description: What is Pine? Subject: What is Pine? Pine(tm) --a Program for Internet News & Email-- is a tool for reading, sending, and managing electronic messages. It was designed specifically with novice computer users in mind, but can be tailored to accommodate the needs of "power users" as well. Pine uses Internet message protocols (e.g. RFC-822, SMTP, MIME, IMAP, NNTP) and runs on Unix and PCs. The guiding principles for Pine's user-interface were: careful limitation of features, one-character mnemonic commands, always-present command menus, immediate user feedback, and high tolerance for user mistakes. It is intended that Pine can be learned by exploration rather than reading manuals. It has the ability to perform full screen editing of messages, attachments (such as Word or Excel files), and other advanced message system features. Pine uses IMAP for accessing message folders on remote computers and MIME for sending multimedia or other binary files as attachments to normal messages. ------------ Content-Description: What is MIME? Subject: What is MIME? MIME (RFC 1521) stands for "Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions". It is an Internet standard which allows transfer of binary files (word-processing documents, spreadsheets, images, sounds, etc) between any compliant mailers. You can get technical information about MIME from the RFC. Ongoing discussion on MIME takes place in the newsgroup comp.mail.mime. There is also a Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) list that is posted regularly to comp.mail.mime and comp.answers. ------------ Content-Description: What is IMAP? Subject: What is IMAP? IMAP stands for "Internet Message Access Protocol". An IMAP client program on any platform at any location on the Internet can access email folders on an IMAP server. While the messages appear to be local, they reside on the server until the client explicitly moves or deletes them. The IMAP protocol is a functional (but incompatible) superset of POP. A principal advantage of IMAP over POP is that it permits using more than one computer to access your mail. Using multiple computers with POP typically results in your mail ending up scattered across all of those computers. Another key advantage is IMAP's ability to selectively access parts of messages, e.g. you don't have to wait for a 2MB audio attachment to be retrieved until you specifically ask for it. This is a big win over low-speed (e.g. dialup) connections. For a detailed comparison of IMAP and POP, see the paper "Comparing Two Approaches to Remote Mailbox Access: IMAP vs. POP." IMAP is what allows Pine (or any other IMAP client) to access email on a remote mail server, usually one that is shared (central or departmental). There is an IETF working group currently defining the IMAP4 revision to the IMAP2 specification (RFC-1176). A copy of the latest IMAP draft may be obtained from ftp.cac.washington.edu in the file imap/latest-imap-draft ------------ Content-Description: How can I get a copy of Pine? Subject: How can I get a copy of Pine? Pine is available via anonymous ftp from the pine directory of ftp.cac.washington.edu. See the Installation Instructions for Pine for more information. ------------ Content-Description: Is there a manual? Subject: Is there a manual? The Pine program itself includes extensive online help. Additional documentation may be found via anonymous FTP or via World-Wide-Web using the following URLs: ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine http://www.cac.washington.edu/pine The Pine program itself also includes extensive online help. Other forms of access are planned for the future. ------------ Content-Description: What mailing lists and newsgroups are there dealing with Pine? Subject: What mailing lists and newsgroups are there dealing with Pine? The "comp.mail.pine" newsgroup is devoted to Pine. It is bi-directionally gatewayed to the "pine-info" mailing list described below. The following mailing lists deal with Pine and related topics: Pine-Info@cac.washington.edu Pine-Info is a mailing list for the email program Pine. The mailing list includes discussion of Pine features, bugs, tricks, etc. Often technical and installation questions appear on the list. New releases, fixes and version of Pine are announced on the pine-info mailing list. For official announcements only, you may wish to see pine-announce instead of this list. To subscribe to pine-info, send a message to majordomo@cac.washington.edu with subscribe pine-info in the body of the message. Owners of this mailing list can be contacted at owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu. Pine-Announce@cac.washington.edu Pine-Announce is a announcement list for the email program Pine. When new Pine products are released and old ones updated, a message goes out to this group describing the development. It is a very low volume list and includes no discussion whatsoever. _All messages to this list are automatically forwarded to pine-info, so it is not necessary to subscribe to both lists._ To subscribe to pine-announce, send a message to majordomo@cac.washington.edu with subscribe pine-announce in the body of the message. Owners of this mailing list can be contacted at owner-pine-announce@cac.washington.edu. IMAP@CAC.Washington.EDU This is the official mailing list for the IETF IMAP working group and other interested parties. Discussion of the evolving IMAP standard and related issues is conducted on this list. To subscribe to IMAP, send a message to imap-request@cac.washington.edu. C-Client@CAC.Washington.EDU This list is for discussion of the C-Client library which is used by Pine and various other mail and IMAP clients and servers. ------------ Content-Description: What are all these funny names in your examples? Subject: What are all these funny names in your examples? In an attempt to avoid confusion with real places or services we decided to make up a ficticious user for our examples. This person is John Smith, who is currently an art major at the University of Nowhere (nowhere.edu). He previously attended Elsewhere Community College (elsewhere.edu). His username is jsmith and he uses the following machines: rembrandt.art.nowhere.edu A Unix timesharing machine. picasso.art.nowhere.edu An SMTP server. news.nowhere.edu A Usenet News server which supports both NNTP and IMAP access. davinci.art.nowhere.edu A PC-compatible workstation running MS-DOS. warhol.art.nowhere.edu An IMAP server. fozzie.elsewhere.edu An IMAP server at Elsewhere Community College. ------------ Content-Description: How many sites use Pine? Subject: How many sites use Pine? We don't have a good way to count the number of sites running Pine, but at last count over 4,000 sites in 40 countries had downloaded the Pine 3.89 distribution from ftp.cac.washington.edu. There are also several major archive sites that mirror the distribution, so the actual numbers are probably much higher. -------------- --========== Content-Description: Errors and Problems Content-Type: MULTIPART/DIGEST; BOUNDARY="----------" Subject: Errors and Problems ERRORS AND PROBLEMS ------------ Content-Description: I have found a bug in Pine 3.05. Could you please fix it? Subject: I have found a bug in Pine 3.05. Could you please fix it? When a bug is identified in an old release, there is a very strong possibility that the associated code has been re-written to the point that a fix will not apply to the current release. Hence, if we can't reproduce the problem in the current version, our standard response will be to ask you to upgrade. ------------ Content-Description: If I postpone a Reply, there is no 'A' in the index after I resume and send it. Subject: If I postpone a Reply, there is no 'A' in the index after I resume and send it. This is a known limitation of the current release of pine. When you postpone a composition, Pine does not have any way to keep track of which message was being replied to (or that it was a reply at all). This limitation will be removed in a future release of Pine. ------------ Content-Description: "Folder Format Invalidated (consult an expert), aborted" Subject: "Folder Format Invalidated (consult an expert), aborted" The message "Folder Format Invalidated (consult an expert), aborted" means that Pine was reading your mail folder, and at the point in which it expected a start-of-message header line, it found something else. The ``format invalidated'' condition can happen in one of three ways: 1. bad data exists at the beginning of the folder. 2. data was appended to the folder after Pine initially read it, and the new data did not begin with a start-of-message-header. 3. the folder was modified without Pine being aware of it. All three problems are generally caused by software external to Pine. Condition (1) can be determined by whether or not the problem repeats itself after restarting Pine. If restarting Pine does not make the problem go away, then you need to look at the actual file for the folder and see what is wrong with the very first line. In particular, make sure that there are no blank lines at the beginning of the file and that the first character of the folder file is a capital ``F'' , the second an ``r'', the third an ``o'', etc. In the case of an INBOX, you may want to rename the folder so that new mail can be delivered while repairs on the corrupt folder are being done. Condition (2) may be caused by a mail delivery process (e.g. /bin/mail) which writes some characters other than ``From '' at the beginning of the new data. Condition (3) is caused by another program manipulating the mail folder without following the normal folder locking protocols. This is a general problem on UNIX. Conditions (2) and (3) have also been known to occur when accessing folders via NFS, if the information returned by the stat() and read() system calls do not correspond with each other as a result of NFS attribute caching. Restarting Pine on that folder always clears conditions (2) and (3). If the problem is chronic, it may be worth an investigation to determine its cause. Usually, it is due to the misbehavior of some external software. The reason why Pine gives up with conditions (2) and (3) is that it does not want to risk damaging user data by guessing what is right. Pine never writes to the folder unless it is absolutely sure it knows what it is doing. There are some steps which can be taken to reduce the risk of these conditions coming up. Some of these steps may require the assistance of your system adminstrator (or whomever it was that built and installed Pine on your system): 1. Use IMAP instead of NFS to access remote folders. Problems with locking over NFS are perhaps the single most important cause of user difficulties. Using IMAP eliminates this class of problem. 2. Consider enabling the mbox driver in Pine. If the mbox driver is enabled, mail is transferred from the /usr/spool/mail mail into a file called mbox in your home directory, if mbox exists. The home directory mbox file is then your INBOX. This has the advantage that Pine and the mail delivery system are less often in contention for the INBOX, and never both trying to update it. Pine only empties the /usr/spool/mail file, it never tries updating it. 3. Be careful not to run other programs that modify your folders while you are running Pine. Such programs may change the folder out from under Pine, and lead Pine to conclude that there is a problem with its view of the file. ------------ Content-Description: What is folder locking and how does it work? Subject: What is folder locking and how does it work? Locks are used by Pine and other mail programs to prevent damage from occurring to the mail file when multiple programs try to write to the file at the same time. Because there are many different schemes of mail file locking used on UNIX, Pine implements all of them. The result is a lot of complexity. There are several reasons why locking needs to be done: 1. If you want to read the mail file, you want to make sure that no other process will modify the mail file while you are reading it. 2. If you want to write to the mail file, you want to make sure that no other process is accessing the mail file while you are writing it. 3. If you have the mail file open, you want to make sure that no other process can alter any of the internal contents of the mail file that you have read, but it is OK if another process appends new data to the mail file. 4. If you want to alter any of the internal contents of the mail file, you want to make sure that no other process has the mail file open. There are several mechanisms of locking: * The creation of a file which has the same name as the mail file, but with a suffix of ".lock" (for example, this lock for /usr/spool/mail/isma is named /usr/spool/mail/isma.lock). This file accomplishes locks (1) and (2) above. This is an exclusive lock. * The use of an flock() with LOCK_SH on the mail file. This accomplishes lock (1), and prevents lock (2). Multiple processes can do this. * The use of an flock() with LOCK_EX on the mail file. This accomplishes lock (2), and prevents lock (1). This is an exclusive lock. * The use of an flock() with LOCK_EX on a file on /tmp. The file name used depends upon the version of Pine. This accomplishes locks (3) and (4). This is an exclusive lock. On SVR4-based systems, the lockf() subroutine or fcntl() system call it used instead of flock(). It is rumored that this creates a kind of lock file as well, but this has not been directly verified. _NOTE: flock() on BSD systems does not work over NFS, so only the most basic .lock file locking -- locks (1) and (2) happen over NFS. On SVR4 systems, fcntl() locking attempts to work over NFS, but there are known problems in the rpc.lockd daemon which have caused hangs if an application beats on the mechanism too much (and Pine beats on it). All of the above mechanisms work reliably over IMAP connections._ _[MRC]_ ------------ Content-Description: What happens when two Pine sessions access the same mailbox at the same time? Subject: What happens when two Pine sessions access the same mailbox at the same time? This varies depending on what format your folders are stored in. With the default Berkeley format, the last session to open a folder will get full access to the folder and the previous session(s) will be changed to read-only access. When a folder is read-only, you will not see any further updates to that folder until it is reopened with full access. Currently the INBOX cannot be reopened without exiting and restarting Pine. With the Tenex format, any number of sessions can simultaneously have full access to a folder, with the exception that expunging is disabled. See "What is a Tenex mailbox and why should I use it?" for more information. ------------ Content-Description: Why did I get the message "locked, override in _XXX_ sec"? Subject: Why did I get the message "locked, override in _XXX_ sec"? The message "locked, will override in _xxx_ seconds" occurs when Pine has discovered that some other mail program claims to be accessing your mail folder (i.e. _folder_.lock exists). This is a very low-level lock used by programs such as the system mailer in delivering mail, and by certain programs such as mail, elm, babyl, mm, etc. Supposedly, this lock is only to be acquired and held for a very short period of time (less than a second). It starts with 285 seconds, retries every second, and issues that message every 15 seconds. The total period of time, 5 minutes, is the time that it will keep on trying before it concludes that the lock is false -- that is, that whatever program locked the folder forgot to unlock it (perhaps it crashed) -- and Pine will go ahead and claim the lock for itself. This is not due to a conflict between two copies of Pine, since Pine interlocks against itself in a higher-level fashion. _NOTE: On some systems with 14 character filename limits, attempting to open a folder with a 14 character name (e.g. saved-messages) will trigger this sequence. Folder names should be limited to 9 characters or less on those systems._ ------------ Content-Description: Why is a charset=US-ASCII attachment sent using BASE64 encoding? Subject: Why is a charset=US-ASCII attachment sent using BASE64 encoding? Pine BASE64-encodes all attachments, including text, in order to assure that they are not modified in transit. The goal is make sure file attachment in Pine is as dependable as FTP (and BASE64 is safer than Quoted-Printable). A good example of why this is handy is when we recently asked some folks to attach their addressbooks to help us track down problems in 3.90, we didn't have to worry about whether a gateway had modified a tab or trailing blanks, etc, etc. -------------- --========== Content-Description: Usage Content-Type: MULTIPART/DIGEST; BOUNDARY="----------" Subject: Usage USAGE ------------ Content-Description: How do I keep all of the names from showing up at the top of the message? Subject: How do I keep all of the names from showing up at the top of the message? Put addresses and/or list from your address book in the Bcc: (blind carbon copy) header field. You will see all the names and addresses as you compose the message, but they are erased before arriving in other people's INBOXes. The Bcc: header is not displayed automatically in the default Pine configuration, so you may need to use the rich headers command (Ctrl-R) while the cursor is in the header to expose it. ------------ Content-Description: How do I use Ispell with Pine (and Pico)? Subject: How do I use Ispell with Pine (and Pico)? Here are a couple ways to use Ispell within Pine: 1. Set your alternate-editor to ispell, then ^_ in the composer invokes ispell. To do this set "editor=/usr/local/bin/ispell" in your .pinerc file. This may be set within Pine via the _OPTIONS_ task of the _SETUP_ command from the main menu. Now, when you press ^_ (Control-Underscore) in Pine, you will execute the ispell program in its native mode. Press ? for help. Press I to insert unknown words into the personal dictionary. You can still press Ctrl-T to use the standard pine spell-checking program (which will -not- use your personal dictionary). See 'man ispell' for more information on the ispell program. 2. Pine already checks the SPELL environment variable so you can create the following script and name it spell. #!/bin/sh ispell -l | sort | uniq To make Ctrl-T in pine use 'ispell' and your '$HOME/.ispell_words' dictionary: + make the above script file 'spell' in your home directory + make it executable: 'chmod u+x spell' + set the environment variable SPELL: 'setenv SPELL $HOME/spell' (you may include this command in your .profile, .cshrc or .login file) Now, when you press Ctrl-T in Pine, you will execute the ispell program, and it will recognize words stored in the private dictionary. The screen display will look like pine is using the standard spell-checking program. Unfortunately, this method does not allow the user to Insert words into the private dictionary. However, this might be useful with a central script file (setenv SPELL ...) and a central private dictionary (ispell -p ...) to provide a common private dictionary for an entire workgroup. The manager could add items to the private dictionary; ordinary pine users would use the private dictionary (Ctrl-T), but they could not change it. To use ispell with pico, implement the 'ispell' program via ^T (CTRL-T) (using the script file) in addition to implementing it via ^_ (CTRL-_) (using the .pinerc file). * Use Ctrl-_ in Pine (it won't work in Pico) for full-featured ispell. * Use Ctrl-T in Pico to use the ispell program and your .ispell_words dictionary (but without the full ispell functionality). You can use Ctrl-T/ispell in Pine also, but why bother when Ctrl-_ works better. _[Mike Ramey ]_ ------------ Content-Description: How can I have a signature automatically appended to my mail messages? Subject: How can I have a signature automatically appended to my mail messages? Using your favorite text editor (e.g. Pico), create a file in your home directory called .signature containing the text you want appended to each message. For more detailed information see The Signature and Finger Frequently Asked Questions list which is posted periodically to the comp.mail.pine and comp.mail.misc newsgroups. PC-Pine users should put their signatures in the file \PINE\PINE.SIG. ------------ Content-Description: How do I read News with Pine? Subject: How do I read News with Pine? Three ways to access news via Pine: 1. Local News. If news is stored on the same machine you run Pine on, you can specify: news-collections=News *[*] 2. Via NNTP. Your .newsrc file must be on the machine where Pine is running. Assuming news is stored on the machine news.nowhere.edu, a typical .pinerc entry would be: news-collections=News *{news.nowhere.edu/nntp}[*] Alternatively, if the nntp-server variable is set, your news-collections will default to NNTP access from the same server. 3. Via IMAP. Your .newsrc file must be on the machine where news is stored. Assuming news is stored on the machine news.nowhere.edu, a typical .pinerc entry would be: news-collections=News *{news.nowhere.edu}[*] The advantage of option #3 is that the same .newsrc can be used for both Unix Pine and PC-Pine. The disadvantage is that you must have an account on the machine that stores the news and runs the NNTP server. ------------ Content-Description: Can I post news with Pine? Subject: Can I post news with Pine? Versions of Pine prior to Pine 3.90 do not support posting. In Pine 3.90 and later you can enter a list of newsgroups on the newsgrps: header to post a message. ------------ Content-Description: How do I "paste" an address from the addressbook into the text of a message? Subject: How do I "paste" an address from the addressbook into the text of a message? Pine does not currently support this directly, but here is a work-around: 1. Move the cursor to the Cc: line. 2. Enter the nickname or press Ctrl-T to search the addressbook and select the entry. 3. Use Ctrl-K to delete that address from the Cc: line. 4. Move the cursor where you want it in the body of the message. 5. Press Ctrl-U to insert the address. This is kind of a round-about way to get the job done, but it works... ------------ Content-Description: How can I filter messages into different incoming folders? Subject: How can I filter messages into different incoming folders? Pine does not do delivery filtering. That function is done by other programs, such as "procmail", or "filter" or "deliver". Once you have set-up your delivery filtering, e.g. via the "filter" program, then you will have new mail arriving in several different mailboxes/folders, in addition to your INBOX. So then the question becomes, how do you access those new "incoming message" folders that your favorite delivery filter program has created? Pine's answer is to let you specify them in your .pinerc, as in the example: incoming-folders=Art151 {warhol.art.nowhere.edu}filter/to-art151, Art-L {warhol.art.nowhere.edu}filter/to-Art-L, Old-Student-Acct {fozzie.elsewhere.edu}INBOX In this case, the pinerc entries presume that your delivery filtering program has been configured to put mail relating to the Art151 class into the folder "filter/to-art151" and mail relating to the Art-L mailing list into "filter/to-Art-L". From the Folders List screen, you can then easily access those folders. Eventually we will have a way to indicate which of these may have new mail waiting for you, so that you don't "forget" that you have more than one place to look for new mail... ------------ Content-Description: Can I define a Reply-To: header? Subject: Can I define a Reply-To: header? Yes. This is a new feature of Pine 3.90. It is handled as a "custom header" and can be added into that field via Pine's new configuration screen. ------------ Content-Description: Can I execute Pine from a shell script so I can use my addressbook? Subject: Can I execute Pine from a shell script so I can use my addressbook? Not currently. ------------ Content-Description: When I get new mail, xbiff lets me know about it, but pine doesn't know about it. Subject: When I get new mail, xbiff lets me know about it, but pine doesn't know about it. There are currently two ways to force a new mail check. * At the last message in a folder, press 'N' 4-5 times. * Press `Ctrl-L' (Refresh Display). ------------ Content-Description: How can I read a ROT13 encoded message? Subject: How can I read a ROT13 encoded message? When viewing the message, use the '|' (Pipe) command and give it the following: tr '[A-Za-z]' '[N-ZA-Mn-za-m]' -------------- --========== Content-Description: Installation and Configuration Content-Type: MULTIPART/DIGEST; BOUNDARY="----------" Subject: Installation and Configuration INSTALLATION AND CONFIGURATION ------------ Content-Description: Can Kerberos or AFS authentication be used with Pine? Subject: Can Kerberos or AFS authentication be used with Pine? Not yet, but Kerberos support is planned for a future release of Pine. If you have access to Kerberos or AFS compatible IMAP clients already, the following information may be useful. The current version of imapd does not support AFS or Kerberos authentication. However, the routine which validates authentication is designed as a drop-in module, to allow you to replace with alternative authentication schemes such as AFS, Kerberos, S/Key, etc. This routine is server_login(). Depending upon which version of c-client you have, it is either in the os__xxx_.c (where _xxx_ is the name of your port) or it is in a file named log__yyy_.c which is included by the os_xxx.c file. The log__yyy_.c is usually log_std.c (std for "standard UNIX"), but it may be log_sv4.c (SVR4) or a couple of other variants. This file only contains that one routine, so it should be a simple matter to modify that file and rebuild imapd. ------------ Content-Description: Can PC-Pine be used with a POP server? Subject: Can PC-Pine be used with a POP server? No. Neither Pine nor PC-Pine currently support POP's offline mail model (wherein pending mail is pulled from the mail server to the local machine and deleted from the server). However, it is likely that this model will be supported, with a choice of either IMAP or POP as the access protocol, in a future release. ------------ Content-Description: What is a Tenex mailbox and why should I use it? Subject: What is a Tenex mailbox and why should I use it? Using the Tenex format for INBOXes allows multiple sessions (or mulitple users, subject to the usual access controls) to have *almost* full Read-Write access to the INBOX. The only limitation on full RW access is that if there are multiple sessions at a given moment, no one can do an Expunge. However, message state changes (e.g. marking a msg as deleted) *can* be done, and this state is preserved across sessions. If an explicit Expunge cmd fails, it will say so and tell you that the mailbox is in use by another process. When there is only one session left using that mailbox, expunge will resume working again. In contrast: the normal Berkeley style folders can have only one RW client at a time, so _given the current software_ the latest session steals the RW lock away from any previous session, with the earlier session becoming RO. ------------ Content-Description: Where does Unix Pine look for configuration information? Subject: Where does Unix Pine look for configuration information? In Pine 3.90, the Release Notes (Press "R" on the Main Menu) contain a section on Configuration, including default file names and environment variables. In brief, Unix Pine uses three configuration files: a system-wide file /usr/local/lib/pine.conf, a system-wide non-overridable file /usr/local/lib/pine.fixed, and a personal configuration file ~/.pinerc. There are certain options which are only found in system wide configurations, others only found in personal configurations, and still others found in both. For settings found in both pine.conf and .pinerc, values in .pinerc take precedence over those in pine.conf, and settings in pine.conf.fixed take precedence over everything. If you need to generate a "blank" copy of the system wide configuration files, run "pine -conf > /usr/local/lib ". Pine automatically generates a .pinerc when a user starts Pine for the first time. Starting with Pine 3.90, almost all personal configuration can be accomplished through the _SETUP_ command from the main menu. ------------ Content-Description: Where does PC-Pine look for configuration information? Subject: Where does PC-Pine look for configuration information? In Pine 3.90, the Release Notes (Press "R" on the Main Menu) contain a section on Configuration, including default file names and environment variables. In brief, PC-Pine uses the following rules for finding config and support files: 1. The location of the PINERC is searched for in the following order of precedence: 1. File pointed to by PINERC environment variable 2. $HOME\PINE\PINERC 3. A file named PINERC in the same directory as PINE.EXE 2. The HOME environment variable, if not set, defaults to root of the current working drive. 3. The default for external files (PINE.SIG and ADDRBOOK) is the same directory as the PINERC file. 4. The support files (PINE.HLP and PINE.NDX) are searched for in the same directory as PINE.EXE. Starting with Pine 3.90, almost all personal configuration can be accomplished through the _SETUP_ command from the main menu. ------------ Content-Description: How do I make Pine work with my older terminal? Subject: How do I make Pine work with my older terminal? Pine does not support some older terminals (e.g. tvi925, WYSE-60) very well. Some problems can be overcome with a proper termcap entry, but others, such as handling cursor keys, do not have a good solution. ------------ Content-Description: How do I configure Pine to not leave mail in /usr/spool/mail? Subject: How do I configure Pine to not leave mail in /usr/spool/mail? You have several options: 1. Leave inbox in /usr/spool/mail, but turn on the Pine option to prompt users to move read messages to a folder in their home directory upon exiting Pine. 2. Modify your mail delivery program to deliver mail directly into the user's home directory, and specify that inbox-path in your global pine.conf (See the "tmail" program on ftp.cac.washington.edu for an example.) 3. "touch mail.txt" in each home directory, which will cause Pine (upon startup) to pull mail from /usr/spool/mail into ~/mail.txt -- however, mail.txt will be a Tenex-format, rather than Berkeley mail format folder (faster, but non-standard). 4. Link in the "mbox" driver when you build Pine. This driver will (upon Pine startup) pull mail from /usr/spool/mail into ~/mbox, which will be a Bky-format folder. -------------- --========== Content-Description: Conversions Content-Type: MULTIPART/DIGEST; BOUNDARY="----------" Subject: Conversions CONVERSIONS ------------ Content-Description: How can someone without a MIME-aware mail program decipher an attachment? Subject: How can someone without a MIME-aware mail program decipher an attachment? Regarding attachments: Pine uses the MIME Internet standard for this. MIME (Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions) uses "Base64" encoding rather than uuencode, because uuencode uses characters that are transformed by some email gateways, and there are also several incompatible versions of uuencode. However, you can certainly uuencode a file outside of pine, then use the Composer's Ctrl-R (file inclusion) command to insert the encoded file in the message. If you use Pine's attachment feature, your recipient does need to have MIME-capable software. Fortunately, this is not hard to find. Even the major proprietary mail vendors have committed to MIME support, but some of their upgraded products are still some months away. One product which can decipher a MIME attachment is munpack from Carnegie Mellon. It is available from ftp.andrew.cmu.edu in the /pub/mpack directory. ------------ Content-Description: How do I convert a Sun Mailtool attachment to MIME format? Subject: How do I convert a Sun Mailtool attachment to MIME format? A perl script (and conversion to C of same) that converts OpenWindows mail to MIME. Body parts currently supported are: text, gif, Sun rasterfile (converted to image/gif), postscript, and audio. Other types default to application/octet-stream. It's easy to extend the set of types supported and to add conversions, if necessary. The script requires uuencode, uudecode, zcat (aka uncompress), and the "convert" program from ImageMagick. If you don't have ImageMagick you can probably substitute the pbm stuff with little fuss. The program is available via ftp from cs.utk.edu in pub/MIME/sun-to-mime.perl or pub/MIME/sun-to-mime.c _[Keith Moore ]_ ------------ Content-Description: How do I convert Berkeley Mail aliases to Pine Addressbook? Subject: How do I convert Berkeley Mail aliases to Pine Addressbook? The Pine source distribution includes a shell script to do this in the contrib/utils directory. It is called brk2pine.sh. ------------ Content-Description: How do I convert Elm aliases to Pine Addressbook? Subject: How do I convert Elm aliases to Pine Addressbook? Here's a little script one of our UNIX folks worked up to handle conversion of elm aliases to pine alias form (pretty simple syntax substitution). If you execute it multiple times it will keep adding another set of your elm aliases to your pine addressbook. #!/bin/csh #!/bin/csh -vx # convert elm aliases.text to pine addressbook # Greg Gustafson # UMD Information Services # January 1993 # if -r $HOME/.elm/aliases.text then if -e $HOME/.addressbook then set n=1 while (-e $HOME/.addressbook$n) @ n++ end mv $HOME/.addressbook $HOME/.addressbook$n endif ex - $HOME/.elm/aliases.text _[Joel Ness ]_ -------------- --========== Content-Description: Development Info Content-Type: MULTIPART/DIGEST; BOUNDARY="----------" Subject: Development Info DEVELOPMENT INFO ------------ Content-Description: What are the current versions of Pine and related software? Subject: What are the current versions of Pine and related software? The current version of Pine is 3.90. The current version of Pico is 2.4. ------------ Content-Description: What is new in this version of Pine? Subject: What is new in this version of Pine? These are the changes and improvements since Pine 3.89: * Finished all the "Not implemented yet" commands: + Bounce (Remail) + Flag (Set message status) + Pipe (Pipe msg to external cmd; Unix only) + Select,Apply,Zoom (Aggregate operations) + Setup/Config (Pinerc configuration screen) * News posting * News subscription/unsubscription * Multiple address books * Postpone multiple messages * Customizable headers for Composer * Mailcap support * Improved support for multiple incoming message folders * enable-alternate-editor-implicitly feature (except for editing headers) * All .pinerc features now settable from command line * Way to control which options are user-configurable (Unix only) * Way to have Save *not* implicitly delete * Way to use current-working-directory for Export, Read File, etc. * A _preliminary_ version of PC-Pine for Windows/Winsock (but not OS/2) ------------ Content-Description: When is the next release of Pine (tentatively) scheduled? Subject: When is the next release of Pine (tentatively) scheduled? We don't know right now, we just released this version. Besides, our track-record on meeting projected release schedules is terrible, so you shouldn't believe any dates we are foolish enough to suggest anyway. ------------ Content-Description: What new features will the future releases of Pine include? Subject: What new features will the future releases of Pine include? * Additional MIME support, esp. controlling file TYPING * PEM and/or PGP support * External directory services access * Kerberos support * RFC 1522 header encoding for 8bit character sets * Location independence of support files * Offline support * Hierarchy support (awaits IMAP4) * Answered flag not set if Reply is postponed (awaits IMAP4) * Faster detection of folders with Recent messages (awaits IMAP4) * Faster fetching of headers (awaits IMAP4) * Determination of which flags are permanent (awaits IMAP4) -------------- --==========-- Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 9 12:00:55 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05520; Wed, 9 Nov 94 12:00:55 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25385; Wed, 9 Nov 94 11:49:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25379; Wed, 9 Nov 94 11:49:40 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r5Il8-00000WC; Wed, 9 Nov 94 11:32 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mick@oahu.cern.ch (Mickey Coggins) Subject: IMAP questions Message-Id: Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 08:24:59 GMT I believe I've read all there is in the distribution on imap, and I still have some questions. - Is there some more documentation? - Is it possible to set up a unix server such that PC clients can use POP to read the mail with the pop->imap programs? - Are there any advantages/disadvantages of doing this over a regular POP3? - Are there any other PC clients that support IMAP besides PINE (as he ducks)? I like the look of IMAP, but I need to support whatever the client has on the PC. Thanks, -- Mickey From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 9 12:24:49 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06960; Wed, 9 Nov 94 12:24:49 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21727; Wed, 9 Nov 94 12:17:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21721; Wed, 9 Nov 94 12:17:09 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r5J5y-000006C; Wed, 9 Nov 94 11:54 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mike Roch Subject: Relative impact of imap/pc clients vs telnet/pine sessions Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 10:28:45 +0000 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Take a multiuser machine, say a Sun 4/370. If it can support N pc users who telnet in and run a continuous pine session, it can presumably support M x N pc users were they all to adopt an IMAP based PC mua. Any guesses on the value of M? (We get N up to 40 or so on the model suggested). Mike ============================================================================== Mike Roch, Computer Services Centre, Tel: 0734 318430 The University, Whiteknights, Reading, RG6 2AF Fax: 0734 753094 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 9 16:25:06 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19577; Wed, 9 Nov 94 16:25:06 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27509; Wed, 9 Nov 94 16:17:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27491; Wed, 9 Nov 94 16:17:24 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Thu, 10 Nov 94 08:14:00 -0800 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 08:13:59 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Mickey Coggins Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: IMAP questions In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 9 Nov 1994, Mickey Coggins wrote: > I believe I've read all there is in the distribution > on imap, and I still have some questions. > > - Is there some more documentation? Yes, get the RFC. (I don't recall the number....but I guess that is why the rfc index is helpful). > - Is it possible to set up a unix server such that PC > clients can use POP to read the mail with the pop->imap programs? > - Are there any advantages/disadvantages of doing this over a regular POP3? > - Are there any other PC clients that support IMAP besides PINE (as he ducks)? I know ECSMail, a commercial product, relies on IMAP. > I like the look of IMAP, but I need to support whatever the client has on > the PC. What's the big deal? There is no law that say you can't support both IMAP an POP. My systems support POP2, POP3, and IMAP. Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 9 16:25:24 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19602; Wed, 9 Nov 94 16:25:24 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02133; Wed, 9 Nov 94 16:18:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02127; Wed, 9 Nov 94 16:18:44 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r5Mxj-000006C; Wed, 9 Nov 94 16:01 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: njh@physiol.ox.ac.uk (Neil Hoggarth) Subject: The memory requirements of PC-Pine Message-Id: <1994Nov9.155948.17457@inca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 94 15:59:48 GMT How much conventional DOS memory does PC-Pine need to run reliably? I've been having problems trying it out on a 386 with about 530K free and I'd really like to be able to give it to users who have even less. Is this a lost cause or am I doing something wrong? Has anyone got any tips on reducing the memory requirements? Regards, -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Neil Hoggarth Computer Officer, Laboratory of Physiology Oxford University, UK --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 9 17:37:44 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23880; Wed, 9 Nov 94 17:37:44 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29577; Wed, 9 Nov 94 17:32:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29571; Wed, 9 Nov 94 17:32:45 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r5O4r-000006C; Wed, 9 Nov 94 17:13 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Joshua Hosseinoff Subject: AIX 3.2 Pine 3.91 Problems partly solved Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 14:45:54 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Since Pine 3.85 I have had trouble running PINE with curses linked in on various terminal types we have here. Specifically Pine would somehow manage to change the baud rate of the tty or just lock up the terminal entirely as soon as the user went into Compose (but not the mail Index). Basically the way to fix it is to comment out "#define POSIX_SIGNALS" in os.h It doesn't seem to have any adverse reactions and curses now works, instead of having to use termcap. I have noticed another problem concerning interrupted messages which at least two users have encountered but I have not been able to duplicate. The users somehow have a file in their home directory called .pine-interrupted-mail containing 0 bytes, and a second file called .pine-interrupted-mail.lock also containing 0 bytes. When they try to continue these interrupted messages they get kicked out of Pine with the message Pine Bug detected or something similar to that. When I try it by creating those files in my home dir with 0 bytes, i don't get pine bug detected but it does tell me that it can't delete that folder. I don't know how they managed to get .pine-interrupted-mail with 0 bytes but it does happen I guess. Josh Hosseinoff hosseino@yu1.yu.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 9 17:54:06 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24547; Wed, 9 Nov 94 17:54:06 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04382; Wed, 9 Nov 94 17:48:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04370; Wed, 9 Nov 94 17:48:56 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r5OMg-00000CC; Wed, 9 Nov 94 17:31 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: markstep@engin.umich.edu (Mark A. Stephan) Subject: Re: problem printing Date: 7 Nov 1994 20:03:09 GMT Message-Id: <39m15t$332@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> References: Anyone know how to fix this on a Macintosh, though? (printer not printing for v3.91) -mark -- Mark Stephan The University of Michigan markstep@engin.umich.edu computer engineering @chgdss10.chgd.med.umich.edu The U of M Solar Car Team From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 9 18:28:18 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25301; Wed, 9 Nov 94 18:28:18 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00614; Wed, 9 Nov 94 18:24:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00608; Wed, 9 Nov 94 18:23:59 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r5Ov2-000006C; Wed, 9 Nov 94 18:07 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jeff@scrdp.stanford.edu (Jeff Petry) Subject: Can't Reply or Forward Message-Id: Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 18:19:38 GMT Hi There, I have a problem with Pine 3.91 in that I can't forward or reply to a message. When I try to do either I get an error message that says 'Can't Reply to message. Error accessing folder'. I normally use Mailstrom for mail (a Macintosh IMAP program), and have Pine configured for IMAP, and have no problem getting into my mail. I've double checked all of the permissions on every possible folder (/usr/spool/mail/jeff, ~jeff/mail, /tmp, etc.). I have even tried running the debugger at 9, but it never told me what folder it was having problems opening, it just says 'Error accessing folder...' Any assistance to this problem would be greatly appreciated. Jeff Petry From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 9 18:28:49 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25330; Wed, 9 Nov 94 18:28:49 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04934; Wed, 9 Nov 94 18:24:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04928; Wed, 9 Nov 94 18:24:02 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r5Ow2-00000CC; Wed, 9 Nov 94 18:08 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Ross.Keele@Usask.CA Subject: Re: PCPINE for windows - Cant send mails Date: Wed, 09 Nov 94 12:35:22 CST Message-Id: <39r4p4$aau@tribune.usask.ca> References: <39kr9e$pjs@piaget.moe.ac.sg> On 7 Nov 1994 09:16:30 GMT, Francis Ho says... > >I've got PCPINE for windows. I am able to receive mails. However, I am >unable to send mails. Could anyone please help? If you have the TZ environment variable set, try getting rid of it and see what happens. This was the problem with v3.90, but it was solved in v3.91. -- A. Ross Keele Ross.Keele@Usask.CA University of Saskatchewan http://www.usask.ca/~keele/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 9 18:44:35 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25764; Wed, 9 Nov 94 18:44:35 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00805; Wed, 9 Nov 94 18:39:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00799; Wed, 9 Nov 94 18:39:08 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r5PAp-00000HC; Wed, 9 Nov 94 18:23 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jansen@surfnet.nl (Xander Jansen) Subject: Re: Message-ID in Pine Sun Binary Message-Id: <1994Nov9.181622.4534@cc.ruu.nl> References: Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 18:16:22 GMT Barry Cornelius (Barry.Cornelius@durham.ac.uk) wrote: : On Tue, 8 Nov 1994, Dan Schlitt wrote: : > A quick question which probably has a simple solution that I don't see. : > I just upgraded from 3.05 to 3.91 and now the Message-ID does not contain : > the complete FQDN but just the hostname. I have tried a few of the : > options which I thought should have an effect but nothing seems to work. : > Is there a way to get the fully qualified name without doing a compile? : Your Subject says "Sun Binary". Is this a binary obtained from Washington : or is it one that you have compiled yourself? Is it for Solaris 2.x or : SunOS 4.1.x? If it's for Solaris 2.x, then I think this is caused by a : what I think is a bug in Solaris 2.3. : The file pine/reply.c has the generate_message_id function. It uses the : value of ps->hostname. This value is set up by init_hostname in init.c. : The function init_hostname calls getdomainnames to generate this value. : The function getdomainnames is defined in pine/osdep/domnames. It uses : gethostbyname. I believe that the Solaris 2.3 gethostbyname does not : return a FQDN. Please tell me if I am wrong! You're right (although I think it is 'does not always', depending on the /etc/hosts file ?). From the Solaris Porting FAQ (you'll find it in your nearest news.answers repository, directory Solaris2, file porting-FAQ): * gethostbyname() always returns null in h->aliases. * Now, gethostbyX can be replaced its __switch_gethostbyX * equivalents. However, these are missing from Solaris 2.3. And then a replacement routine (by Casper Dik) to "plug it in every program that requires gethostbyname to work" (only header shown here): /* * Proper gethostbyXX function for Solaris 2.0-2.3 * (and later ?) * * Fixed in 2.4? * * You'll need -ldl added to the link command line. * * Casper Dik (casper@fwi.uva.nl) * */ I've heard rumours that this indeed is fixed in 2.4 (but I'm not sure). Anyway, I once put the replacement routine somewhere in the Pine code and my message-ID's suddenly got FQDN's in it. Don't ask me where I put it, I'm not a C-programmer and probably picked the 'wrong' place ;-) Xander From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 9 18:53:30 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26004; Wed, 9 Nov 94 18:53:30 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05297; Wed, 9 Nov 94 18:49:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05291; Wed, 9 Nov 94 18:49:01 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r5PKO-000006C; Wed, 9 Nov 94 18:33 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Brad Subject: Re: compond srting search via ; Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 20:09:58 +0000 Message-Id: References: <39of5k$mlt@pegasus.unm.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <39of5k$mlt@pegasus.unm.edu> On 8 Nov 1994, Farid Hamjavar wrote: Use ; again, followed by "N"arrow Selection. ---------------- Is there any way I can do compound string search ? I have a folder of a 1000 messages. I search (;ta) for string: lang 1) I search (;ta) for string: lang 2) Then I 'zoom' 3) Then at this point I would like to do further string search for other strings.... is it possible? Is ';' recursive? How far can I go extracting strings from From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 9 20:23:15 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28450; Wed, 9 Nov 94 20:23:15 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02344; Wed, 9 Nov 94 20:19:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02338; Wed, 9 Nov 94 20:19:15 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r5QfZ-000006C; Wed, 9 Nov 94 19:59 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: galvin@srvr1.engin.umich.edu (michael vanderploeg) Subject: Does anybody actually use Procmail? Date: 9 Nov 1994 16:54:39 GMT Message-Id: <39qusf$1l4@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> Does anybody have success with procmail? I compiled it, but have no idea how to run my incoming mail thru it. It shows examples for mh and such, but it doesn't say anything about pine. Thanks! Mike p.s. A .forward file and .procmailrc file would be great! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 9 21:07:30 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29270; Wed, 9 Nov 94 21:07:30 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07292; Wed, 9 Nov 94 21:03:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07286; Wed, 9 Nov 94 21:03:24 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r5RJm-00000FC; Wed, 9 Nov 94 20:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Brad Subject: OrderedSubj / .pinerc Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 20:14:53 +0000 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Firstly, a question: What does sorting by OrderedSubj do? I can't work that one out. Secondly, a recommendation (well, just sommat I've noticed, really): How about if .pinerc actually reflected compile-time options you set. e.g., from my .pinerc: # Default: "default-fcc" (see also "default-fcc=" variable.) fcc-name-rule= Only it isn't. Default is "". Because I set it that way when I compiled Pine. So I just thought maybe .pinerc should say: Default: "" --Simon. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 9 21:11:02 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29365; Wed, 9 Nov 94 21:11:02 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03011; Wed, 9 Nov 94 21:06:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03005; Wed, 9 Nov 94 21:06:26 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Thu, 10 Nov 94 13:02:58 -0800 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 13:02:58 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: michael vanderploeg Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Does anybody actually use Procmail? In-Reply-To: <39qusf$1l4@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 9 Nov 1994, michael vanderploeg wrote: > Does anybody have success with procmail? I compiled it, but have no idea > how to run my incoming mail thru it. It shows examples for mh and such, > but it doesn't say anything about pine. It is used here every time mail arrives.... > p.s. A .forward file and .procmailrc file would be great! I'll send these to you under seperate cover....don't want to bore the list with my overly simplistic .procmailrc.... Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 9 22:03:12 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00639; Wed, 9 Nov 94 22:03:12 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03710; Wed, 9 Nov 94 21:59:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03704; Wed, 9 Nov 94 21:59:35 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Thu, 10 Nov 94 13:56:08 -0800 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 13:56:07 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Brad Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: OrderedSubj / .pinerc In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 9 Nov 1994, Brad wrote: > What does sorting by OrderedSubj do? I can't work that one out. >From that strange thing called the Help Menu Sorting by "ordered subject" does a grouping intended to simulate a "threaded" sort, and then presents each "thread" in order of the date of the first message in the group. Reverse simply reverses whatever the current sort order is. Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 9 23:31:25 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02221; Wed, 9 Nov 94 23:31:25 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09036; Wed, 9 Nov 94 23:18:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09030; Wed, 9 Nov 94 23:18:34 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r5TTT-00000CC; Wed, 9 Nov 94 22:59 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: francis@moe.ac.sg (Francis Ho) Subject: PCPINE for windows - Cant send mails Date: 7 Nov 1994 09:16:30 GMT Message-Id: <39kr9e$pjs@piaget.moe.ac.sg> I've got PCPINE for windows. I am able to receive mails. However, I am unable to send mails. Could anyone please help? Thanks in advance. -- Francis Ho Internet: francis@moe.ac.sg Education Data Centre, MOE Tel : (65) - 4713949 " Doing without thinking, is as good as thinking without doing " From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 9 23:44:26 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02502; Wed, 9 Nov 94 23:44:26 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05003; Wed, 9 Nov 94 23:39:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04997; Wed, 9 Nov 94 23:39:35 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r5TqA-00000CC; Wed, 9 Nov 94 23:22 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rv@cslab9a.cs.brown.edu (rodrigo vanegas) Subject: Mailing list Digests Message-Id: Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 06:46:13 GMT How can i burst mailing list digests with Pine? -- rodrigo vanegas rv@cs.brown.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 10 01:13:28 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04570; Thu, 10 Nov 94 01:13:28 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10330; Thu, 10 Nov 94 01:04:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ictpsp4.ictp.trieste.it by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10315; Thu, 10 Nov 94 01:04:09 -0800 Received: by ictpsp4.ictp.trieste.it id AA09967 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Thu, 10 Nov 1994 09:59:17 +0100 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 09:59:16 +0100 (MET) From: "M.Bordin, ICTP/IAEA, Unix Sys & Net Adm" To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: IMAP x NFS in Unix Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, First of all, I would like to thank people who are/were involved in the PINE development. It's great! We have about 30 Unix workstations, we are using BSD-Sendmail on our "mailhost" machine (the machine which were our incoming mail arrives) and mounting "/var/spool/mail" on the clients via NFS. We experimented several problem in the past, probably associated to NFS and Elm (inbox corrupted, an so on). I had no problem with NFS and PINE, but it was not a *real* life experiment (only a few users were using it). Now, we are re-installing our mail services, and I was wondering if we couldn't use IMAP access from UNIX "clients", other than from PCs. (sorry for the long description of the problem) My questions are: 1) To get IMAP access on Unix, I should configure in my ".pinerc" something like: inbox-path={mailhost}/var/spool/mail/my_user_name Is that all and right? (it seems to work) 2) With the above configuration, PINE asks for "username" and "password" to open the INBOX. That check couldn't be avoided for the Unix users? Actually they have already logged on... 3) What are the (dis)advantages of using IMAP instead of NFS? Do you recommend it? Many thanks in advance, Marcos ============================================ Marcos F. Bordin, Unix Systems & Network Adm ICTP/Scientific Computing Section marcos@ictp.trieste.it From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 10 04:40:13 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09471; Thu, 10 Nov 94 04:40:13 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13150; Thu, 10 Nov 94 04:35:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13144; Thu, 10 Nov 94 04:35:43 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r5YQm-000008C; Thu, 10 Nov 94 04:16 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hamjavar@fornax.unm.edu (Farid Hamjavar) Subject: pine and history mechanism Date: 9 Nov 1994 22:07:32 GMT Message-Id: <39rh74$lc9@lynx.unm.edu> Hello, Is it too early to give suggestion for next version of PINE? It sure would be nice if there was a history mechanism so I could re-visit folders I have already been in a more user-friendly fashion ... Thanks, Farid From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 10 06:01:21 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11489; Thu, 10 Nov 94 06:01:21 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09881; Thu, 10 Nov 94 05:55:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09875; Thu, 10 Nov 94 05:55:55 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r5Zjn-00000eC; Thu, 10 Nov 94 05:40 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rivaud@coyote.rain.org (L. E. de Rivaud) Subject: Re: How to add HEADERS ? Date: 9 Nov 1994 16:41:25 -0800 Message-Id: <39rq7l$mce@coyote.rain.org> References: <39n7q0$oj8@coyote.rain.org> David L Miller (dlm@cac.washington.edu) allegedly wrote: : Which entry did you add it to? Which version of Pine? Did you put a space : between the "Reply-To:" and the "username@address"? Yes, I did put a space after the colon. I have gotten about a dozen e-mails telling me to do this. I did it when I originally tried to add the header. Also, I tried it without the username@site part. No luck. Can someone send me a .pinerc that works for them with added headers? -- L. E. de Rivaud rivaud@rain.org From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 10 06:17:11 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11798; Thu, 10 Nov 94 06:17:11 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14542; Thu, 10 Nov 94 06:10:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14536; Thu, 10 Nov 94 06:10:47 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r5Zwg-000008C; Thu, 10 Nov 94 05:53 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mike O'Connor Message-Id: <941110013654.AA23745@dojo> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 01:36:54 GMT Subject: Re: HELP: bugs in pine3.91 under solaris 5.3 References: <39k1ua$80o@bosnia.pop.psu.edu> In article <39k1ua$80o@bosnia.pop.psu.edu>, David Barr wrote: :I'd just put a warning message if you type 'build sol' that warns :that you can't use /usr/ucb/cc. In fact you could even hack the :build script to return an error if [ `which cc` = "/usr/ucb/cc" ].). "which" of course is a csh-ism, which may or not make sense for your shell of choice. ...Mike -- Michael J. O'Connor Internet: mjo@dojo.mi.org (email address) InterNIC WHOIS: MJO http://www.msen.com/~mjo/ (WWW home page) "History is made at night!" -from _Buckaroo Banzai_ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 10 06:40:08 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12333; Thu, 10 Nov 94 06:40:08 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10387; Thu, 10 Nov 94 06:32:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10381; Thu, 10 Nov 94 06:32:13 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r5aHp-000008C; Thu, 10 Nov 94 06:15 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rivaud@coyote.rain.org (L. E. de Rivaud) Subject: Re: How to add HEADERS ? Date: 8 Nov 1994 12:18:04 -0800 Message-Id: <39omds$2hc@coyote.rain.org> References: <39n7q0$oj8@coyote.rain.org> USING PINE 3.90 and yes I put the added header just as I put it in my last message, (below). If anyone has done this successfully I would like to see your .pinerc file. Any help would be great, but a .pinerc with the proper syntax or whatever would be great too. L. E. de Rivaud (rivaud@coyote.rain.org) allegedly wrote: : I have tried to add a header that says, (w/o quotes), : "Reply-To:username@address" and I don't seem to be able to do it. I : tried by starting Pine and then choosing Config then Setup (or is it : Setup then Config?) Anyway... : I got a message to the effect, "Headers not found. Using default header : information." or something like that. : So then I tried editing the .pinerc file in my home dir and got the same : message. : HELP! Please tell me what I am doing wrong. : L. E. de Rivaud : rivaud@rain.org -- L. E. de Rivaud rivaud@rain.org From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 10 09:31:26 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19003; Thu, 10 Nov 94 09:31:26 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18164; Thu, 10 Nov 94 09:26:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18158; Thu, 10 Nov 94 09:26:10 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r5czl-000008C; Thu, 10 Nov 94 09:09 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Dan LeGate Subject: Pine: re-sending and newsgroup speed. Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 12:08:12 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII A couple of pine questions: Is there a way to "re-send" a message that is in your "sent-mail" folder WITHOUT using "forward"? Forwarding it adds a header, etc. to the message. If I just want to RE-SEND it in its original format (so the receiver) doesn't know it's the second time around, is that possible? I realize you can edit out those "forward" lines, but I would think there would be an easier way in pine. Is there? I also notice that when I post to newsgroups, it seems to take a LONG time when I'm entering newsgroup names in the "Newsgrps:" header. Is there a way to speed this up? I noticed a few newsgroups options in the Config, but wasn't sure which, if any, would speed this up. Is there something? Thanks for any help or information you can provide. Dan LeGate dlegate@s1.csuhayward.edu Prodigy ID: FCSJ69A From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 10 09:46:47 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19794; Thu, 10 Nov 94 09:46:47 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14441; Thu, 10 Nov 94 09:41:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from bigcat.missouri.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14435; Thu, 10 Nov 94 09:41:53 -0800 Received: by bigcat.missouri.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29812; Thu, 10 Nov 94 11:41:49 CST Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 11:41:49 -0600 (CST) From: "Kevin D. Brand" Subject: help with pine on ultrix-32 v3.1b To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Will pine mail work on a system with Ultrix-32 v3.1b? What port will work best for Ultrix-32 v3.1b? thank you Kevin D. Brand From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 10 10:08:23 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20743; Thu, 10 Nov 94 10:08:23 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15007; Thu, 10 Nov 94 10:02:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15001; Thu, 10 Nov 94 10:02:45 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r5dVG-000008C; Thu, 10 Nov 94 09:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: @kant.Physik.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Klaus Wacker) Subject: Conversion of elm aliases to pine addressbook Date: 9 Nov 1994 13:34:40 GMT Message-Id: <39qj5g$gfj@nx2.hrz.uni-dortmund.de> Does anybody have a filter which converts elm's aliases.text to pine addressbook format? I guess it is pretty straight forward to do, but it would save me some work if its been done already. Is it right that there can be only one nickname per addressbook entry? Elm allows several. Finally, is there a FAQ for comp.mail.pine? -- | / | | | | | wacker@Physik.Uni-Dortmund.DE | / | _ __ | | | _ _ | _ _ Klaus Wacker, Exp.Physik V |/\ | _\ | | (_ | | | _\ / |_) /_) | Uni Dortmund | \_|_(_|_|_|___) |_|_|_(_|_\__| \_/\___| D-44221 Dortmund +49 (231) 755 3587 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 10 11:49:46 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25552; Thu, 10 Nov 94 11:49:46 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21617; Thu, 10 Nov 94 11:41:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21611; Thu, 10 Nov 94 11:41:37 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r5f73-000008C; Thu, 10 Nov 94 11:24 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Barry Landy Subject: Re: Pine: re-sending and newsgroup speed. Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 09:42:35 +0000 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Wed, 9 Nov 1994, Dan LeGate wrote: > > A couple of pine questions: > > Is there a way to "re-send" a message that is in your "sent-mail" folder > WITHOUT using "forward"? Forwarding it adds a header, etc. to the > message. If I just want to RE-SEND it in its original format (so the > receiver) doesn't know it's the second time around, is that possible? I > realize you can edit out those "forward" lines, but I would think there > would be an easier way in pine. Is there? Yes. Just save to the postponed-msgs folder, and go Compose, and it appears as a continued postponed compose. ======================================================================= Barry Landy, Head of Systems and Development, University of Cambridge Computing Service Barry.Landy@ucs.cam.ac.uk 0-1223-334713 +44-1223-334713 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 10 11:57:50 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26015; Thu, 10 Nov 94 11:57:50 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17806; Thu, 10 Nov 94 11:47:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17800; Thu, 10 Nov 94 11:47:53 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r5fBZ-00000CC; Thu, 10 Nov 94 11:29 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Barry Landy Subject: Re: bcc: broken? Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 09:45:56 +0000 Message-Id: References: <39s1cm$arj@snark.wizard.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <39s1cm$arj@snark.wizard.com> On 9 Nov 1994, Daniel Jacobs 702.871.4461 wrote: > Is this a definition of bcc: I was previously unaware of or am I missing > something? I sent something to a dozen people, and to avoid cluttering up > their screens, I bcc:ed everyone except one of them. However, every > single one of them got the full distribution list with the bcc: header. I > am using MMDF as my mail server, if that helps. > We have had this too on some of our systems. The answer is that it all depends what MTA you use. Pine uses the sendmail -t option to tell (actually ask!) the MTA to strip the Bcc field. The MTA may or may not do this (as it is not strictly its business to do anything to the inside of a message). A discussion in comp.mail.headers suggests that the only proper specification is for the MUA (PINE in this instance) to strip out the Bcc field itself. ======================================================================= Barry Landy, Head of Systems and Development, University of Cambridge Computing Service Barry.Landy@ucs.cam.ac.uk 0-1223-334713 +44-1223-334713 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 10 12:08:29 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26532; Thu, 10 Nov 94 12:08:29 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18114; Thu, 10 Nov 94 12:00:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18108; Thu, 10 Nov 94 12:00:49 -0800 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22471; Thu, 10 Nov 94 12:00:48 -0800 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 07:55:39 -0500 (EST) From: Ying-Yuang Chen To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: [Message to save shrank! (#32: 2653 --> 2652)] Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 12:00:46 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: David L Miller Resent-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Resent-Message-Id: When I try to save messages, I got this [Message to save shrank! (#32: 2653 --> 2652)] How can I work around this ? Ying-Yuang Chen From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 10 12:42:00 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27744; Thu, 10 Nov 94 12:42:00 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22862; Thu, 10 Nov 94 12:31:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ilium.troy.msen.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22852; Thu, 10 Nov 94 12:31:17 -0800 Received: from boozsh by ilium.troy.msen.com with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0r5g90-0002nqC; Thu, 10 Nov 94 15:30 EST Received: from fugu by boozsh.frc.com with smtp (Smail3.1.27.1 #2) id m0r5faw-0006zfC; Thu, 10 Nov 94 14:55 EST Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 14:55:42 -0500 (EST) From: "Syed A. Nabi" X-Sender: nabisa@fugu To: "L. E. de Rivaud" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: How to add HEADERS ? In-Reply-To: <39rq7l$mce@coyote.rain.org> Message-Id: Organization: FANUC Robotics North America Inc. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 9 Nov 1994, L. E. de Rivaud wrote: > Date: 9 Nov 1994 16:41:25 -0800 > From: L. E. de Rivaud > To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu > Subject: Re: How to add HEADERS ? > > David L Miller (dlm@cac.washington.edu) allegedly wrote: > > : Which entry did you add it to? Which version of Pine? Did you put a space > : between the "Reply-To:" and the "username@address"? > > > Yes, I did put a space after the colon. I have gotten about a dozen > e-mails telling me to do this. I did it when I originally tried to add > the header. Also, I tried it without the username@site part. No luck. > > Can someone send me a .pinerc that works for them with added headers? > -- > > L. E. de Rivaud > rivaud@rain.org > Following is part of my .pinerc. Hope this will help you. --------------------------------------------------------- # sort-key= order in which messages will be presented... # Choose one: subject, from, arrival, date, size. # Normal default is "arrival" sort-key=Arrival # Version of Pine used last session (set automatically) last-version-used=3.91 # NNTP server for posting news. Also sets news-collections for news reading. nntp-server=boozsh # Over-rides default path for postponed messages folder, e.g. =pm (which uses # first folder collection dir) or ={host4}pm (using home dir on host4). # Default: postponed-mail (Unix) or POSTPONE.MTX (PC) in default fldr coltn. postponed-folder= # List of file or path names for global/shared addressbook(s). # Default: none # Syntax: optnl-label path-name global-address-book= # Only show these headers (by default) when composing messages default-composer-hdrs= # Add these customized headers (and possible default values) when composing customized-hdrs=Reply-To: nabisa@frc.com, Organization: FANUC Robotics North America Inc. # Determines default name for Fcc... # Choices: default-fcc, by-recipient, last-fcc-used. # Default: "default-fcc" (see also "default-fcc=" variable.) fcc-name-rule=default-fcc # Sets presentation order of address book entries. Choices: dont-sort, # fullname-with-lists-last, fullname, nickname-with-lists-last, nickname # Default: "fullname-with-lists-last". addrbook-sort-rule=fullname-with-lists-last ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Syed A. Nabi | Internet : nabisa@frc.com Product Development Engineer | sanabi@vela.acs.oakland.edu FANUC Robotics North America, Inc. | BITNET : SANABI@OAKLAND 2000 S. Adams Road | Voice : +1 (810) 377-7718 Auburn Hills, MI-48326 | +1 (810) 589-3402 | Fax : +1 (810) 377-7363 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 10 13:01:15 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28395; Thu, 10 Nov 94 13:01:15 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23272; Thu, 10 Nov 94 12:53:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from asl-labs.bc.ca by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23266; Thu, 10 Nov 94 12:53:28 -0800 Received: by asl3.asl-labs.bc.ca (5.4R3.00/200.2.1.5) id AA16712; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 12:51:00 -0800 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 12:50:59 -0800 (PST) From: "Brian P. Hampson" Subject: Re: PCPINE for windows - Cant send mails To: Francis Ho Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <39kr9e$pjs@piaget.moe.ac.sg> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 7 Nov 1994, Francis Ho wrote: > I've got PCPINE for windows. I am able to receive mails. However, I am > unable to send mails. Could anyone please help? > I recall a message about 3.90 not working if you had the TZ variable set...I think it was on the fix list for 3.91 B. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Brian P. Hampson Internet: brian@asl-labs.bc.ca | |System Administration, | |Analytical Service Labs Fidonet : Brian Hampson 1:153/733 | |Vancouver, BC | | | | Specialists in Environmental Chemistry | | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 10 15:03:04 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04282; Thu, 10 Nov 94 15:03:04 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26001; Thu, 10 Nov 94 14:52:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25995; Thu, 10 Nov 94 14:51:59 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r5i5X-000008C; Thu, 10 Nov 94 14:35 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr) Subject: Re: HELP: bugs in pine3.91 under solaris 5.3 Date: 10 Nov 1994 10:35:46 -0500 Message-Id: <39teki$877@bosnia.pop.psu.edu> References: <39k1ua$80o@bosnia.pop.psu.edu> <941110013654.AA23745@dojo> In article <941110013654.AA23745@dojo>, Mike O'Connor wrote: >In article <39k1ua$80o@bosnia.pop.psu.edu>, >David Barr wrote: >:I'd just put a warning message if you type 'build sol' that warns >:that you can't use /usr/ucb/cc. In fact you could even hack the >:build script to return an error if [ `which cc` = "/usr/ucb/cc" ].). > >"which" of course is a csh-ism, which may or not make sense for your >shell of choice. That's okay. #!/bin/sh IFS=: for i in $PATH; do if [ -x $i/$1 ] ; then echo $i/$1 exit 0 fi done echo "$1: Command not found." 1>&2 exit 1 A mod of this script to do as I described above is left as an exercise to the reader. :-) --Dave From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 10 15:04:21 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04343; Thu, 10 Nov 94 15:04:21 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22340; Thu, 10 Nov 94 14:57:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22334; Thu, 10 Nov 94 14:57:01 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r5i8N-00000LC; Thu, 10 Nov 94 14:38 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Fuzzy Subject: unexplained freezes in composer Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 10:32:58 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII we are experiencing unexplained freezes when entering the header info in the composer to create a message to be posted. my current header set (^r display) To, Cc, Bcc, Newsgrps, Fcc, Attchmnt, Subject, Return-Receipt-To, Organization any thoughts on how to correct this would be very welcome. also looking for help in how to setup a list of x-post newsgroups. tried using the addressbook list and newsgrps: header doesnt check the addressbook for the list. thanks... Your Friend, _____ __ __ ____ ____ __ __ / ___// // //__ )/__ )\ \/ / / __/ / // / / /__ / /__\ / (_/ (____/ <____/<____//_/ Email: fuzzy@fuzzy.dialup.access.net (non-anon) an72289@anon.penet.fi (true anon) wi.687@wizvax.com (true anon) anon-2986@twwells.com (true anon) ================================================================= -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQCNAi4RAFMAAAEEANX2Ag3Tpif6YQMcB380Fb4azUfD6Me+eLYen62KT+IOPRby Sv8znFUT6UDNV7/YYVa8WpnGaDh2mry5UmoqvNkWZ1ngcl2x6wbOvJnunohDpEG8 gqxZ7mGP6G+ejRyT/kULNV96G9q/zlcJMCJD9La6KRlwo/U6s4TbvzdMEt9NAAUR tCVGdXp6eSA8ZnV6enlAZnV6enkuZGlhbHVwLmFjY2Vzcy5uZXQ+ =W71C -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 10 15:44:15 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06820; Thu, 10 Nov 94 15:44:15 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27058; Thu, 10 Nov 94 15:35:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27052; Thu, 10 Nov 94 15:35:53 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r5ihc-00000BC; Thu, 10 Nov 94 15:14 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: laimbock@netland.nl (Patrick J. Laimbock) Subject: Pine and SVR3.2 ??? Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 04:56:33 GMT Message-Id: Hi there, Today I tried to install Pine 3.89 on my server running Motorola V / 88 (=AT&T SVR3.2 compatible) without any luck :( Is there a possibility to install Pine on SVR3.2 ? Thanks in advance. Patrick J. Laimbock laimbock@netland.nl From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 10 19:49:08 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15873; Thu, 10 Nov 94 19:49:08 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01819; Thu, 10 Nov 94 19:44:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from cpmt2.cyberport.net by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01813; Thu, 10 Nov 94 19:44:00 -0800 Received: from localhost (pthomas@localhost) by cpmt2.cyberport.net (8.6.5/8.6.5) id UAA08188; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 20:45:27 -0700 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 20:45:27 -0700 (MST) From: Phillip Thomas To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII unsubscribe pine-info pthomas@cyberport.net (Phillip Thomas) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 10 20:01:29 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16225; Thu, 10 Nov 94 20:01:29 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28371; Thu, 10 Nov 94 19:52:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28365; Thu, 10 Nov 94 19:52:37 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r5mkV-00000BC; Thu, 10 Nov 94 19:34 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: black@csulb.edu (Matthew Black) Subject: can't post to news groups Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 11:14:03 Message-Id: I've recently installed pine 3.90 on our SGI Challenge L server running the IRIX 5.2 operating system (System V family of Unix). It was built using the command: ./build sgi EXTRADRIVERS=mbox When I try to post to a UseNet news group, I get the following error message: "Error posting message: 441 Can't parse 'Date' header". Is this a known bug or just a problem with IRIX 5.2? --matt ============================================================================== matthew black, systems analyst | The opinions expressed herein are mine and california state university | don't necessarily reflect those my employer. cecs department | long beach, ca 90840 | email: black@csulb.edu ===============================(c) 1994 by Matthew Black, all rights reserved= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 10 20:56:00 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17430; Thu, 10 Nov 94 20:56:00 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02704; Thu, 10 Nov 94 20:45:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02698; Thu, 10 Nov 94 20:45:29 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r5nYB-00000BC; Thu, 10 Nov 94 20:25 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Douglas J. Bateman" Subject: Msgs: Pine Bug detected--aborted Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 13:48:51 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII We recently implemented Pine 3.91, having upgraded from 3.89 Our host systems use SunOS 4.1.2. After being in place for about a week, we have started getting reports from users of the subject error message. Currently, these are very sporadic reports and there is no common thread of actions or circumstance that we have been able to determine. We experienced a similar, albeit much more pervasive, problem while testing 3.90. A workaround to that problem, posted here, involved recompiling with a switch that allowed string "constants" to be modified--can't remember the exact switch wording. QUESTIONS: 1. Has anyone experienced a similar problem and/or know of causes/fixes? 2. Since the problem in 3.90 was apparently set off by an error in parsing the value of an entry in the .pinerrc file, I wonder if there could be a problem induced by allowing Pine 3.91 to update a user's .pinerc instead of renaming the (3.89) one and having Pine create a fresh one. Anyone care to comment? Respondents can post an answer here, but I'd sure like to have replies emailed to me--dbateman@sol.acs.unt.edu. If I get a bunch of suggestions, advice, fixes, workarounds, etc. I'd be glad to summarize them for the newsgroup. Thanks much. Doug Bateman, UNIX Operations Manager University of North Texas From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 10 22:35:03 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19646; Thu, 10 Nov 94 22:35:03 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00487; Thu, 10 Nov 94 22:30:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00475; Thu, 10 Nov 94 22:30:39 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r5pCm-00000CC; Thu, 10 Nov 94 22:11 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Alan Agnew Subject: Problem linking Pine on SunOs 4.1.3 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 14:03:40 +1000 If I use the released "build sun" every thing works fine except that pine won't lookup the name of the nntp-server in the DNS. As we are using "resolve+" on this machine I tried to re-link c-client and pine with "-lresolv" added to the link statements. This produced the following error: ld: Undefined symbol _inet_aton *** Error code 2 make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `pine' Has anyone had a similar problem? Can anyone offer any suggestions? Alan Agnew Network Services Computing Services Queensland University of Technology Phone: (07) 864 1703 E-Mail: A.Agnew@qut.edu.au From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 10 23:05:35 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20209; Thu, 10 Nov 94 23:05:35 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04388; Thu, 10 Nov 94 23:00:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AB04382; Thu, 10 Nov 94 23:00:42 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r5pdE-00000DC; Thu, 10 Nov 94 22:38 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Randy Holder Subject: Re: FORWARDED LETTER Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 12:55:48 -0600 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: If you are on a unix platform, try using the unix vacation command. It does exactly what you described. Randy Holder _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Randy V. Holder Phone: (501) 575-2905 Electronic Mail Support Specialist Fax: (501) 575-4753 Lotus 1-2-3 Support Email: Rholder@comp.uark.edu University of Arkansas Fayetteville, Arkansas _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ On Sun, 6 Nov 1994, Cher Wai Pang wrote: > > I recently sent a letter to a friend, and he has > programmed his mail handler (I don't know if it is PINE) to automatically > send out a message to people who e-mail him telling them he is not > available. Anyone can tell me if this can be done with PINE 3.90? > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 10 23:12:39 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20369; Thu, 10 Nov 94 23:12:39 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00948; Thu, 10 Nov 94 23:08:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00942; Thu, 10 Nov 94 23:08:30 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r5pn6-00000CC; Thu, 10 Nov 94 22:48 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Chris Hirsch Subject: Pine for Linux Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 11:35:20 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Does anybody know where I can either get a compiled version of Pine for Linux or where the source code is? Thanks, Chris From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 10 23:19:15 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20510; Thu, 10 Nov 94 23:19:15 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04620; Thu, 10 Nov 94 23:15:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04614; Thu, 10 Nov 94 23:15:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r5ptd-000008C; Thu, 10 Nov 94 22:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bruceb@efn.org (Bruce Berryhill) Subject: Re: Sorting incoming msgs Message-Id: References: <39edjj$8um@knot.queensu.ca> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 02:42:50 GMT Pine doesn't know about mail filtering. You have to find out how your system filters mail. My system uses a program called 'filter'. In <39edjj$8um@knot.queensu.ca> 4wmh@qlink.queensu.ca (Haddara Wael M) writes: > Hello !! > Can some kind soul help me with how to sort messages into separat >folders as they come in. I am currently subscribed to a fairly high >volume group, and I was wondering if I cannot direct mail from that >source to a particular folder. The .pinerc file seems to allow something >of the sort, but I don't understand how ??? >Much appreciated, >Wael -- -bruceb From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 11 00:07:03 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21611; Fri, 11 Nov 94 00:07:03 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01598; Fri, 11 Nov 94 00:01:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01592; Fri, 11 Nov 94 00:01:04 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r5qba-00000CC; Thu, 10 Nov 94 23:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mea@utu.fi (Matti Aarnio) Subject: Re: bcc: broken? Message-Id: References: <39s1cm$arj@snark.wizard.com> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 07:34:00 GMT danielj@snark.wizard.com (Daniel Jacobs 702.871.4461) writes: >Is this a definition of bcc: I was previously unaware of or am I missing >something? I sent something to a dozen people, and to avoid cluttering up >their screens, I bcc:ed everyone except one of them. However, every >single one of them got the full distribution list with the bcc: header. I >am using MMDF as my mail server, if that helps. The problem is on the mailer, though PINE could do the honours as well so that the MTA (MMDF in your case) would not need to see any "Bcc:" -headers. The address-list that is used to send the piece of email, and letter headers themselves need not match! >Thanks for any input, > >Dan Jacobs >-- >Any technology sufficiently advanced is indistinguishable from magic - PT Who "PT" ? That phrase is by Arthur C Clarke. >Daniel Jacobs | @wizard.com - Las Vegas Internet Access Provider >sysadmin | (702) 871-4461 or finger danielj for info >danielj@wizard.com | dial-up shell accounts /Matti Aarnio From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 11 00:25:23 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21896; Fri, 11 Nov 94 00:25:23 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05406; Fri, 11 Nov 94 00:18:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05400; Fri, 11 Nov 94 00:18:58 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r5qsa-00000LC; Thu, 10 Nov 94 23:58 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sajari@merlion.singnet.com.sg (Sajari) Subject: Redirect incoming mail Date: 6 Nov 1994 10:26:57 +0800 Message-Id: <39heth$84o@merlion.singnet.com.sg> I'm sorry if this question been ask before, how do we redirect an incoming mail to a specific folder either from or to in pine. -- ............................................................................. ******************************** sajari * eat to live, not live to eat * with regard ******************************** ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 11 01:10:53 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23291; Fri, 11 Nov 94 01:10:53 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05863; Fri, 11 Nov 94 00:56:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05857; Fri, 11 Nov 94 00:56:10 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Fri, 11 Nov 94 16:52:46 -0800 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 16:52:45 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Sajari Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Redirect incoming mail In-Reply-To: <39heth$84o@merlion.singnet.com.sg> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 6 Nov 1994, Sajari wrote: > I'm sorry if this question been ask before, how do we redirect an > incoming mail to a specific folder either from or to in pine. Let's see.....I think that makes 379 times this question has been asked this week. :-) :-) And the answer still is..... ------------ Content-Description: How can I filter messages into different incoming folders? Subject: How can I filter messages into different incoming folders? Pine does not do delivery filtering. That function is done by other programs, such as "procmail", or "filter" or "deliver". Once you have set-up your delivery filtering, e.g. via the "filter" program, then you will have new mail arriving in several different mailboxes/folders, in addition to your INBOX. So then the question becomes, how do you access those new "incoming message" folders that your favorite delivery filter program has created? Pine's answer is to let you specify them in your .pinerc, as in the example: incoming-folders=Art151 {warhol.art.nowhere.edu}filter/to-art151, Art-L {warhol.art.nowhere.edu}filter/to-Art-L, Old-Student-Acct {fozzie.elsewhere.edu}INBOX In this case, the pinerc entries presume that your delivery filtering program has been configured to put mail relating to the Art151 class into the folder "filter/to-art151" and mail relating to the Art-L mailing list into "filter/to-Art-L". From the Folders List screen, you can then easily access those folders. Eventually we will have a way to indicate which of these may have new mail waiting for you, so that you don't "forget" that you have more than one place to look for new mail... Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 11 02:58:35 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25715; Fri, 11 Nov 94 02:58:35 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03672; Fri, 11 Nov 94 02:35:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03666; Fri, 11 Nov 94 02:35:56 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r5t2W-000008C; Fri, 11 Nov 94 02:17 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Barry Landy Subject: Re: Copying addresses from text Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 19:57:38 +0000 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Tue, 8 Nov 1994, Paul Aucoin wrote: > How can I copy an address that is part of the text (but not in the return > address header) of one message and then insert this address into the > "to:" header of a new message I wish to compose and send? > > ^K/^U does not work. > I find that ^K/^U does indeed work, used the right way. What I would do is to a) reply including text b) edit the line in the text so that only the email address is in the line (alternatively use ^^ and arrows to just highlight the bit you want) c) ^K the cuts just the address, and ^U will instert just that d) tidy up the message (remove included text and subject if not wanted). ======================================================================= Barry Landy, Head of Systems and Development, University of Cambridge Computing Service Barry.Landy@ucs.cam.ac.uk 0-1223-334713 +44-1223-334713 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 11 03:36:56 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26734; Fri, 11 Nov 94 03:36:56 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07948; Fri, 11 Nov 94 03:32:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07942; Fri, 11 Nov 94 03:32:13 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r5tuJ-00000BC; Fri, 11 Nov 94 03:12 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: IMAP x NFS in Unix Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 13:08:48 -0800 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Thu, 10 Nov 1994, M.Bordin, ICTP/IAEA, Unix Sys & Net Adm wrote: > Date: Thu, 10 NOV 1994 08:59:16 GMT > From: M.Bordin, ICTP/IAEA, Unix Sys & Net Adm > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: IMAP x NFS in Unix > > I had no problem with NFS and PINE, but it was not a *real* life > experiment (only a few users were using it). > Accessing remote folders via NFS, particularly the INBOX is _discouraged_. There are unavoidable locking problems with NFS that are not present with IMAP. > Now, we are re-installing our mail services, and I was wondering > if we couldn't use IMAP access from UNIX "clients", other than > from PCs. > Definitely. > 1) To get IMAP access on Unix, I should configure in my ".pinerc" > something like: > > inbox-path={mailhost}/var/spool/mail/my_user_name > > Is that all and right? (it seems to work) > It would work, but inbox-path={mailhost}INBOX is the recommended form. > 2) With the above configuration, PINE asks for "username" and "password" > to open the INBOX. That check couldn't be avoided for the Unix users? > Actually they have already logged on... > If you enable RSH access without a password, Pine will use it for pre-authenticated access to the server. Otherwise it falls back to using port 143, wich requires a login procedure. > 3) What are the (dis)advantages of using IMAP instead of NFS? Do > you recommend it? > There may be some slight performance gains from NFS, but IMAP performs better under some circumstances too. As mentioned above, folder locking actually works over IMAP, so you don't have to worry about corrupted folders due to failed locks. If you have a dedicated server that does not allow interactive logins for general users, you can also take advantage of alternate folder formats (e.g. Tenex) with improved performance and better shared access. --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 11 03:57:56 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27163; Fri, 11 Nov 94 03:57:56 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04619; Fri, 11 Nov 94 03:52:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04613; Fri, 11 Nov 94 03:52:20 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r5uCg-00000FC; Fri, 11 Nov 94 03:31 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ptcaffin@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Peter Caffin) Subject: Re: How to a send an ASCII text file as a message? Date: 10 Nov 1994 23:28:11 GMT Message-Id: <39uaab$u74@styx.uwa.edu.au> References: <384mlu$bhh@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> Shannon Ray Adams stated to the world at large.. : In Pine, I want to pull in an ASCII text file and use it as a message. : For example, I have a file called test.txt and want the contents of that : file to go to joe@dec5000. Is this possible? How do I do that? At Pine's opening screen, press A for Addressbook. Locate the cursor onto your target's email address, then type: C^Rtest.txt^Xy : Also, I want to to put a file in the users mail directory and it appear as : a new message to him/her. Is this possible? If so, what format does the : file have to be in (ASCII?). Mail it to him/her as uuencoded 7-bit ascii. -- _--_|\ -- Peter Caffin : ------------------ / \ "I don't think a university should be bound by a set of X_.--._/ [educational] objectives set by a group of ideologues at ------- v -- an hotel," Vice Chancellor PJ Boyce, Murdoch Univ., 1990. -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 11 04:08:44 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28027; Fri, 11 Nov 94 04:08:44 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08314; Fri, 11 Nov 94 04:02:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08308; Fri, 11 Nov 94 04:02:19 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r5uMz-00000EC; Fri, 11 Nov 94 03:42 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ptcaffin@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Peter Caffin) Subject: Re: Pine Config. with Tin Date: 10 Nov 1994 23:31:50 GMT Message-Id: <39uah6$khs@styx.uwa.edu.au> References: <38istf$5sg@news.umbc.edu> Frank Sofsky stated to the world at large.. : I changed my config. file in Pine, yet when I post something it does : not reflect these changes. Can someone tell me what I am doing wrong. : Thanks .tinrc is not .pinerc? -- _--_|\ -- Peter Caffin : ------------- / \ No added colour or flavour. No preservative. No added X_.--._/ sugar. Disregard date coding when frozen. Store below ------- v -- 5oC. -------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 11 04:35:50 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28485; Fri, 11 Nov 94 04:35:50 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08889; Fri, 11 Nov 94 04:29:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from leeman.york.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08877; Fri, 11 Nov 94 04:29:25 -0800 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by leeman.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <21671-0@leeman.york.ac.uk>; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 12:24:41 +0000 Received: by tower.york.ac.uk (940715.SGI.52/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) for @leeman.york.ac.uk:pine-info@cac.washington.edu id AA05914; Fri, 11 Nov 94 12:28:33 GMT Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 12:28:33 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Brudenell X-Sender: pmb1@tower.york.ac.uk To: David L Miller Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: IMAP x NFS in Unix In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This comment (which I already knew about) has just raised an interesting flag in my mind... Here we are currently using the mbox driver. This means that newly arrived mail (which arrives in the file /var/mail/username in IRIX 5) is moved by Pine or imapd into a file called "mbox" in the user's home directory. Currently all users' home directories and the /var/mail store itself are accessed over NFS. We know of the inherent problems (and indeed have fallen foul of them once or twice). We are looking to set up a separate mail server which has the /var/mail store on a local disk and which runs the imapd's to access it. Then we would reconfigure Pine to use IMAP for mail access. However what about the mbox driver? This will still be making use of the "mbox" file in the users' home areas. These are held on our Auspex file server and would need to be NFS mounted on the mail server machine. Is there still a file locking problem here? We really do need to use the mbox driver in order to force people to be selective about the mail they keep (the /var/mail disk doesn't have disk quotas enabled to ease mail delivery problems, but users' areas do have them turned on). If there is a problem can someone suggest a way forward? Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Phone: +44-1904-433811 FAX: +44-1904-432767 On Thu, 10 Nov 1994, David L Miller wrote: > On Thu, 10 Nov 1994, M.Bordin, ICTP/IAEA, Unix Sys & Net Adm wrote: > > > Date: Thu, 10 NOV 1994 08:59:16 GMT > > From: M.Bordin, ICTP/IAEA, Unix Sys & Net Adm > > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > > Subject: IMAP x NFS in Unix > > > > I had no problem with NFS and PINE, but it was not a *real* life > > experiment (only a few users were using it). > > > > Accessing remote folders via NFS, particularly the INBOX is _discouraged_. > There are unavoidable locking problems with NFS that are not present with > IMAP. > > > Now, we are re-installing our mail services, and I was wondering > > if we couldn't use IMAP access from UNIX "clients", other than > > from PCs. > > > > Definitely. > > > 1) To get IMAP access on Unix, I should configure in my ".pinerc" > > something like: > > > > inbox-path={mailhost}/var/spool/mail/my_user_name > > > > Is that all and right? (it seems to work) > > > > It would work, but > > inbox-path={mailhost}INBOX > > is the recommended form. > > > 2) With the above configuration, PINE asks for "username" and "password" > > to open the INBOX. That check couldn't be avoided for the Unix users? > > Actually they have already logged on... > > > > If you enable RSH access without a password, Pine will use it for > pre-authenticated access to the server. Otherwise it falls back to using > port 143, wich requires a login procedure. > > > 3) What are the (dis)advantages of using IMAP instead of NFS? Do > > you recommend it? > > > > There may be some slight performance gains from NFS, but IMAP performs better > under some circumstances too. As mentioned above, folder locking actually > works over IMAP, so you don't have to worry about corrupted folders due to > failed locks. If you have a dedicated server that does not allow interactive > logins for general users, you can also take advantage of alternate folder > formats (e.g. Tenex) with improved performance and better shared access. > > --DLM > > |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 > |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) > University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 > 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 11 05:37:43 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29992; Fri, 11 Nov 94 05:37:43 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06063; Fri, 11 Nov 94 05:32:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06057; Fri, 11 Nov 94 05:32:44 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r5vjh-000008C; Fri, 11 Nov 94 05:09 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: artor@freeport.uwasa.fi (Arto Repola) Subject: Pine for PC Date: 11 Nov 1994 12:24:32 GMT Message-Id: <39vnq0$78k@zippo.uwasa.fi> I'm looking for PINE for pc.Could someone tell me some ftp-sites where i could find it?Thanks to that who replies this question -- -------------------------- | Artor@freeport.uwasa.fi| | Student | | | From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 11 06:29:05 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01054; Fri, 11 Nov 94 06:29:05 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06656; Fri, 11 Nov 94 06:21:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tortoise.oise.on.ca by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06650; Fri, 11 Nov 94 06:21:54 -0800 Received: by tortoise.oise.on.ca (5.0/SMI-SVR4 (rsm940906)) id AA15774; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 09:20:55 -0500 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 09:20:54 -0500 (EST) From: William McQueen Subject: RE: How to a send an ASCII text file as a message? To: Peter Caffin Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <39uaab$u74@styx.uwa.edu.au> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 560 I have a slight permutation on this thread. As a postmaster of several conferences, I want to send a standard file in my directory to one-time requests. How may I accomplish this? Thanks very much. Bye for now. Bill McQueen in Toronto _____________________________________________________________ | | | wmcqueen@oise.on.ca | | "Life is a seamless robe of learning!" | |_____________________________________________________________| From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 11 07:26:03 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02253; Fri, 11 Nov 94 07:26:03 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07322; Fri, 11 Nov 94 07:15:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from cap.gwu.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07310; Fri, 11 Nov 94 07:14:43 -0800 Received: (from bbouwsma@localhost) by cap.gwu.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id KAA10535; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 10:14:53 -0500 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 10:14:53 -0500 Message-Id: <199411111514.KAA10535@cap.gwu.edu> From: bbouwsma@cap.gwu.edu (Barry Bouwsma) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Disabling MIME-encoding Reply-To: Barry Bouwsma Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="hACKeD-MIME-mEssAge-BouNDaRy-666" This message is in MIME format. Some parts might be kinda readable text, while other parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. This message was a cheap hack, report problems to --hACKeD-MIME-mEssAge-BouNDaRy-666 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII David Miller announced: > Pine 3.92 will support 8bit messages via ESMTP servers that support 8BITMIME. > On 4 Nov 1994, Roar Foshaug wrote: >> Is there some way to disable the MIME-encoding og 8-bit messages? >> In Norway the ISO-8859-1 character set is becoming a standard, but >> Pine insists on using MIME encoding, placing =E5 and suchlike for the >> above-128 character codes. Will Pine3.92 also write folder copies of sent mail with full 8-bit data instead of the Q-P used now, or would the fcc reflect the data spoken to the 8BITMIME or non-8BITMIME server (if mail was passed off as Q-P it would also be written as such), or will it still be Q-P? Thanks... Barry Bouwsma preparing for one final idyllic weekend in the Appenzell in Switzerland --hACKeD-MIME-mEssAge-BouNDaRy-666 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT The following .signature contains 8-bit data sent to the pine-info mailing list with BSD sendmail v8 which does not speak 8BITMIME so the 8-bit data is probably lost for both mailing list and news readers... -- hacker Barry Bouwsma, MIME: ASCII: sitting in Zürich, Switzerland, not awaiting my return to Michigan next week --hACKeD-MIME-mEssAge-BouNDaRy-666-- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 11 07:40:16 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02505; Fri, 11 Nov 94 07:40:16 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11202; Fri, 11 Nov 94 07:32:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11196; Fri, 11 Nov 94 07:32:57 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r5xdU-000008C; Fri, 11 Nov 94 07:11 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: danielj@snark.wizard.com (Daniel Jacobs 702.871.4461) Subject: bcc: broken? Date: 9 Nov 1994 18:43:34 -0800 Message-Id: <39s1cm$arj@snark.wizard.com> Is this a definition of bcc: I was previously unaware of or am I missing something? I sent something to a dozen people, and to avoid cluttering up their screens, I bcc:ed everyone except one of them. However, every single one of them got the full distribution list with the bcc: header. I am using MMDF as my mail server, if that helps. Thanks for any input, Dan Jacobs -- Any technology sufficiently advanced is indistinguishable from magic - PT Daniel Jacobs | @wizard.com - Las Vegas Internet Access Provider sysadmin | (702) 871-4461 or finger danielj for info danielj@wizard.com | dial-up shell accounts From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 11 08:21:37 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03529; Fri, 11 Nov 94 08:21:37 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08051; Fri, 11 Nov 94 08:13:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08045; Fri, 11 Nov 94 08:13:13 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r5yG1-00000AC; Fri, 11 Nov 94 07:51 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Edward Shafran Subject: Re: pine on USL V version 4.2? Date: Thu, 10 Nov 94 21:25:53 -0500 Message-Id: References: <199410272150.QAA04103@opus.csd.uwm.edu> I have built pine on SVR4 (NCR) and it appears to run on SVR4.2 as well. However, I appear to be encountering some problems with memory leaks. If you are interested in the source, contact me as "eshafran@kts.com". From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 11 11:22:33 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08728; Fri, 11 Nov 94 11:22:33 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14541; Fri, 11 Nov 94 11:13:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14535; Fri, 11 Nov 94 11:13:06 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r6152-000006C; Fri, 11 Nov 94 10:52 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: b.mohajerin@qut.edu.au (Babak Mohajerin) Subject: Re: Please Help: elm disappears from screen Message-Id: <1994Nov11.063850.2018@news.qut.edu.au> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 94 06:38:50 GMT Hi, Could some one please help us with our elm problem: We are using elm version 2.4 Patch level 23 on a Sun sparc platform running Solaris 2.3. It seems that elm occasionally disappears without anyone terminating it or exiting from it. It just vanishes. There is a message, however, appears on the screen about alarm clock problem. I will appreciate any help. with best regards -- Babak Mohajerin __/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/ Babak Mohajerin, Technologist | voice: +61 7 8641401 _--_|\ __/ Signal Processing Research Centre | Fax: +61 7 8641516 / \ __/ Sch. E&ESE, QUT, Gardens Point. | \_.--._/ __/ GPO Box 2434, Brisbane QLD 4001, | V __/ Australia |E-Mail: b.mohajerin@qut.edu.au __/ __/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/ __/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 11 14:41:13 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13901; Fri, 11 Nov 94 14:41:13 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13674; Fri, 11 Nov 94 14:32:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from angel.agps.lanl.gov by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13668; Fri, 11 Nov 94 14:32:27 -0800 Received: by angel.agps.lanl.gov (4.1/SMI-4.1/DJR/15April94) id <9411112231.AA00374@angel.agps.lanl.gov>; Fri, 11 Nov 94 15:31:41 MST Date: Fri, 11 Nov 94 15:31:41 MST From: Lynn D. Maas Message-Id: <9411112231.AA00374@angel.agps.lanl.gov> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Cc: maas@agps.lanl.gov help info index end From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 11 16:17:41 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16312; Fri, 11 Nov 94 16:17:41 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15049; Fri, 11 Nov 94 16:11:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15024; Fri, 11 Nov 94 16:11:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r65m5-000006C; Fri, 11 Nov 94 15:52 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: aerochem@xmission.com (Aerochem) Subject: IBM-XT and Pine?? Date: 11 Nov 1994 14:14:56 -0700 Message-Id: <3a0msg$moj@xmission.xmission.com> Hi, I'm trying to help my brother log on to his new internet srver (eskimo.com) and he is having problems with pine. We've tried several different terminal emulations, vt100, ibmxxx, etc etc and some work ok with everything else at eskimo but when it comes time to use pine he gets a message saying that this terminal is not supported by pine or else he gets garbled blah blah blah. Anybody out there that can help us figure out what to do to get his IBM XT to work with pine? Many many thanks! Bret From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 11 16:56:58 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17405; Fri, 11 Nov 94 16:56:58 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15613; Fri, 11 Nov 94 16:50:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15607; Fri, 11 Nov 94 16:50:51 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06945; Fri, 11 Nov 94 16:50:39 -0800 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 16:50:37 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Hubert To: Brad Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: OrderedSubj / .pinerc In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 9 Nov 1994, Brad wrote: > Firstly, a question: > > What does sorting by OrderedSubj do? I can't work that one out. First it sorts by subject, then it sorts the groups of messages with the same subject by the date of the oldest message in the group. So it is the same as sort by subject except that the new "threads" are later in the index than the old "threads". > Secondly, a recommendation (well, just sommat I've noticed, really): > > How about if .pinerc actually reflected compile-time options you > set. e.g., from my .pinerc: This makes sense but probably isn't worth changing at this point. It used to be that people looked at their pinerc files and edited them but now most people change configs with the Setup/Config screen. > --Simon. Thanks for the input! Steve Hubert Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 11 19:29:47 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21130; Fri, 11 Nov 94 19:29:47 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21771; Fri, 11 Nov 94 19:22:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21765; Fri, 11 Nov 94 19:22:53 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r68ZD-000026C; Fri, 11 Nov 94 18:51 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Dierk Schwick Subject: Re: Pine for Linux Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 14:17:35 +0100 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Wed, 9 Nov 1994, Chris Hirsch wrote: > Does anybody know where I can either get a compiled version of Pine for > Linux or where the source code is? In Europe(Germany) you find the binaries on ftp://stoertebeker.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de/pub/linux/pine-3.91.tar.z -- Dierk From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 11 20:13:29 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22287; Fri, 11 Nov 94 20:13:29 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18487; Fri, 11 Nov 94 20:07:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18481; Fri, 11 Nov 94 20:07:50 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r69Mm-000008C; Fri, 11 Nov 94 19:43 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ez040327@elroy.ucdavis.edu (Bob Linehan) Subject: Is there a FAQ? Date: 11 Nov 1994 21:27:18 GMT Message-Id: <3a0njm$mck@mark.ucdavis.edu> This title is to save my butt for asking a question. I haven't seen a FAQ for a month of watching this group, so here goes... I am looking for a way to disable the "Save XX messages in /xxx/xxx/read-mail?" prompt. No, I don't want to, already! If I want to save messages in another folder, I'll do it myslef! @$%&*! (; [sheesh] So, is there an option I missed? Are the creators looking at this group? If so, please please please implement into PINE 3.92! Bob rmlinehan.ucdavis.edu Standard Proclaimer: Everybody in the world has their own individual ideas, and I'm no different. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 11 20:23:40 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22487; Fri, 11 Nov 94 20:23:40 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22506; Fri, 11 Nov 94 20:16:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22500; Fri, 11 Nov 94 20:16:41 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r69Xu-00000BC; Fri, 11 Nov 94 19:54 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Dale Huckeby Subject: Posting from pine 3.90 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 22:47:04 GMT Is there a config setting that will cause the distribution to show up in the header while I'm composing a message? Is there a way to set the distribution default to "world"? Finally, is it possible to do a followup posting WITHOUT emailing the person you're responding to? None of these is a problem with nn, but I'd like to be able to continue to use pine to read and post newsgroups. Thanks, Dale Huckeby (daleh@efn.org) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 11 22:39:15 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24707; Fri, 11 Nov 94 22:39:15 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20241; Fri, 11 Nov 94 22:31:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20235; Fri, 11 Nov 94 22:31:58 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r6BeQ-000006C; Fri, 11 Nov 94 22:09 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: urbisci@jeflin.tju.edu (Michael Urbisci) Subject: PINE 3.89 VMS (Problem setting up System-Wide Distribution Lists) Date: 11 Nov 1994 20:06:50 GMT Message-Id: For anyone who has setup Pine 3.89 for VAX/VMS, how can you use system-wide distribution lists for everyone to use? The addressbook is only for personal use, is there a way to have some alias for distribution lists everyone on a mail system can use. If you look at the Help in Pine for the To: propmt, it says you can use a system-wide alias, but that is for a Unix machine. If any System Administrator on a VAX/VMS has done this before, there help would be greatly appreciated From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 11 22:51:02 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24931; Fri, 11 Nov 94 22:51:02 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24271; Fri, 11 Nov 94 22:43:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24265; Fri, 11 Nov 94 22:43:57 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r6Bmn-00000AC; Fri, 11 Nov 94 22:18 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Sven Guckes Subject: Re: How to post news through pine or elm? Message-Id: References: <397934$pjg@spool.cs.wisc.edu> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 20:54:48 GMT sadistic@yar.cs.wisc.edu (Izumi Sakai) writes: >Just wanna know how to post news through elm and pine? FAQ! Please read the FAQ, question "2.19 Can I use elm for posting and replying to news?" >I can only read news through pine, but not elm, and can't post news >through both programs. Well, ELM is an mail transport agent - not a newsreader. Sven From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 11 22:59:42 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25068; Fri, 11 Nov 94 22:59:42 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20483; Fri, 11 Nov 94 22:53:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20477; Fri, 11 Nov 94 22:53:10 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r6Bx2-00000FC; Fri, 11 Nov 94 22:28 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: @kant.Physik.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Klaus Wacker) Subject: Re: Redirect incoming mail Date: 10 Nov 1994 16:12:46 GMT Message-Id: <39tgpu$798@nx2.hrz.uni-dortmund.de> References: Ed Greshko (egreshko@hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com) wrote: > PINE FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS [lots of stuff deleted] > Content-Description: How do I convert Elm aliases to Pine Addressbook? > Subject: How do I convert Elm aliases to Pine Addressbook? > > Here's a little script one of our UNIX folks worked up to handle > conversion of elm aliases to pine alias form (pretty simple syntax > substitution). If you execute it multiple times it will keep adding > another set of your elm aliases to your pine addressbook. > > #!/bin/csh > #!/bin/csh -vx > # convert elm aliases.text to pine addressbook > # Greg Gustafson > # UMD Information Services > # January 1993 > # > if -r $HOME/.elm/aliases.text then > if -e $HOME/.addressbook then > set n=1 > while (-e $HOME/.addressbook$n) > @ n++ > end > mv $HOME/.addressbook $HOME/.addressbook$n > endif > ex - $HOME/.elm/aliases.text What's going on here? The most important part is missing! > _[Joel Ness ]_ [rest deleted] -- | / | | | | | wacker@Physik.Uni-Dortmund.DE | / | _ __ | | | _ _ | _ _ Klaus Wacker, Exp.Physik V |/\ | _\ | | (_ | | | _\ / |_) /_) | Uni Dortmund | \_|_(_|_|_|___) |_|_|_(_|_\__| \_/\___| D-44221 Dortmund +49 (231) 755 3587 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 11 23:58:03 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26034; Fri, 11 Nov 94 23:58:03 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21137; Fri, 11 Nov 94 23:52:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21131; Fri, 11 Nov 94 23:52:05 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r6Cy6-000008C; Fri, 11 Nov 94 23:33 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rivaud@coyote.rain.org Subject: Re: How to add HEADERS ? Date: 11 Nov 1994 21:13:11 -0800 Message-Id: <3a1it7$5b5@coyote.rain.org> References: <39rq7l$mce@coyote.rain.org> THANKS TO EVERYONE!!! I go it! Yea! It really helped to see the guts of your .pinerc files. I was confusing default and custom. All is well now. I really appreciate all of your help. rivaud@rain.org From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 12 04:11:01 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02242; Sat, 12 Nov 94 04:11:01 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28302; Sat, 12 Nov 94 04:04:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28296; Sat, 12 Nov 94 04:04:47 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r6Gr8-000008C; Sat, 12 Nov 94 03:42 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: fuzzy@fuzzy.dialup.access.net (Fuzzy) Subject: cmsg cancel Control: cancel Date: 10 Nov 1994 15:28:03 GMT Message-Id: <39te63$9j4@news.panix.com> Article cancelled from within tin [v1.2 PL2] From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 12 05:12:05 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03428; Sat, 12 Nov 94 05:12:05 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25207; Sat, 12 Nov 94 05:07:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25201; Sat, 12 Nov 94 05:07:56 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r6HwR-000008C; Sat, 12 Nov 94 04:52 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dseitel@crl.com (David S. Eitelbach) Subject: How to defeat posting prompt? Date: 11 Nov 1994 16:03:55 -0800 Message-Id: <3a10pb$mq1@crl.crl.com> In cases where someone replied to you out of a newsgroup, when you reply in turn, you get a prompt about whether or not to include the message in the reply, followed by a _second_ prompt: "Post follow-up message to news group(s)?" The docs say you can suppress this prompt if you want Pine to assume you DO want to post as well as reply. What if you DON'T? How the heck can you turn it off entirely *without Pine assuming you want to post too?* People used to the older version just bang on "y" when they see a prompt while replying. I've already seen one case of private email accidentally posted to a group because of this dangerous flexibility in Pine. I expect to see more such choice morsels. But it was embarrassing to those concerned. It would be an even more flexible program if this feature could be disabled with a do NOT post default. Thanks for any and all help. David S. Eitelbach dseitel@crl.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 12 05:57:14 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04354; Sat, 12 Nov 94 05:57:14 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25773; Sat, 12 Nov 94 05:53:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from dutepp6.et.tudelft.nl by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25767; Sat, 12 Nov 94 05:53:25 -0800 Received: by dutepp6.et.tudelft.nl id AA18783 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 14:53:05 +0100 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 1994 14:53:04 +0100 (MET) From: Richard Kooijman X-Sender: richard@dutepp6.et.tudelft.nl To: "David S. Eitelbach" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? In-Reply-To: <3a10pb$mq1@crl.crl.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 11 Nov 1994, David S. Eitelbach wrote: > "Post follow-up message to news group(s)?" > > The docs say you can suppress this prompt if you want Pine to > assume you DO want to post as well as reply. What if you DON'T? How are you going to support a reply WITH post then? > People used to the older version just bang on "y" when they see > a prompt while replying. I've already seen one case of private > email accidentally posted to a group because of this dangerous > flexibility in Pine. I expect to see more such choice morsels. Dangerous flexibility? How about people-who-don't-bother-to-read are dangerous? You mean they also always reply with included message AND to all recipients? Probably the same people who publicly post those very informing 'Thank you for your reply' on mailing lists. > But it was embarrassing to those concerned. It would be an even > more flexible program if this feature could be disabled with a > do NOT post default. There are two ways to learn things: inform yourself beforehand, and by trial-and-error. I guess those concerned know better now. This sounds like a harsh reply (well, it is) but I just think that Pine should not be changed for every user that has some problem he/she created on his/her own. A UI still requires some thought of its user, we haven't any UI's connected directly to our brains yet. Richard. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 12 09:45:46 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08147; Sat, 12 Nov 94 09:45:46 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28373; Sat, 12 Nov 94 09:42:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tortoise.oise.on.ca by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28367; Sat, 12 Nov 94 09:42:07 -0800 Received: by tortoise.oise.on.ca (5.0/SMI-SVR4 (rsm940906)) id AA15019; Sat, 12 Nov 1994 12:41:25 -0500 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 1994 12:41:25 -0500 (EST) From: William McQueen Subject: PINE mentoring To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1004 I have just arrived at a new UNIX/PINE system. I know little or nothing about this configuration. I arrive with fairly extensive experience with the VAX/VMS system, and I especially miss the SELECT command. I FTP'd to the washington site and got a couple of files, and am muddling through. I have about 100 messages arriving daily, but have some very specific needs in order to make this a faster process. First I want to see in the index the name of the server, primarily the FROM address, but I also want to be able to sort by the TO or CC addresses as well. How may I do that? I wish to use the ";" select command in order to do aggregate commands. How may I do that? I want to save entire folders of email into plain ASCII/dos text files, all at one time. How may I do that? The version of PINE which is used here is version 3.89. Any and all assistance and mentoring greatly appreciated. Bill McQueen in Toronto | wmcqueen@oise.on.ca | "Life is a seamless robe of learning!" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 12 10:13:31 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08549; Sat, 12 Nov 94 10:13:31 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02613; Sat, 12 Nov 94 10:08:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02607; Sat, 12 Nov 94 10:08:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r6MYt-00000AC; Sat, 12 Nov 94 09:48 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Sven Guckes Subject: Re: Please Help: elm disappears from screen Message-Id: <5CCUB6PF@math.fu-berlin.de> References: <1994Nov11.063850.2018@news.qut.edu.au> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 1994 00:03:15 GMT b.mohajerin@qut.edu.au (Babak Mohajerin) writes: >We are using elm version 2.4 Patch level 23 on a Sun sparc platform >running Solaris 2.3. It seems that elm occasionally disappears without >anyone terminating it or exiting from it. It just vanishes. Elm "disappears"? What do you mean? 1) The window which showed Elm disappers. 2) Elm disappears from the window which showed it, but the window now displays a shell (or whatever). 3) Elm disappeared from the process list. 4) Elm disappeared from the hard disk. 5) I can't find the manuals. >There is a message, however, appears on the screen about alarm clock problem. Huh? Sven -- [940923] Where to look for the ELM FAQ: Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm,comp.answers,news.answers ftp://ftp.cs.ruu.nl/pub/NEWS.ANSWERS/elm/FAQ ftp://ftp.myxa.com/pub/elm/Elm-FAQ.Z http://www.myxa.com/elm/elm.faq.html From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 12 10:27:40 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08882; Sat, 12 Nov 94 10:27:40 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28833; Sat, 12 Nov 94 10:23:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28827; Sat, 12 Nov 94 10:23:43 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r6MoB-00000CC; Sat, 12 Nov 94 10:04 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jasonh@chineham.euro.csg.mot.com (Jason Haar) Subject: Re: IMAP x NFS in Unix Date: 11 Nov 1994 08:39:53 GMT Message-Id: References: In article bordin@ictp.trieste.it wrote: : 2) With the above configuration, PINE asks for "username" and "password" : to open the INBOX. That check couldn't be avoided for the Unix users? : Actually they have already logged on... On the server, put a link between where you have the imapd binary and /usr/etc/rimapd e.g ln -s /usr/local/etc/imapd /usr/etc/rimapd That will allow the pine client to use rsh instead of an imap connection (i.e. no password required). : 3) What are the (dis)advantages of using IMAP instead of NFS? Advantages of IMAP: - doesn't need NFS ;-) - No more worries about file locking - which is broken under quite a few commercial implementations of NFS - faster than NFS Disadvantages: - slower than NFS UDP-based NFS is inherently faster than TCP-based IMAP, but there's a gotcha. If you receive heaps of large MIME messages (Framemaker attachments/etc), then IMAP should be faster on indexing than NFS as the indexing is done locally with IMAP, but remotely (i.e. other end of NFS link) with NFS. I think that 99% of the time NFS should still be faster though... -- Cheers, Jason +------------------------------+------------------------------------------+ | Jason Haar, European SysAdmin Phone: + 44 (256) 790111 | | Motorola Cellular Subscriber Fax: + 44 (256) 790519 | | Basingstoke, Hampshire | | RG21 1PL, ENGLAND Internet: jasonh@chineham.euro.csg.mot.com | +------------------------------+------------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 12 11:11:13 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09606; Sat, 12 Nov 94 11:11:13 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03351; Sat, 12 Nov 94 11:07:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03341; Sat, 12 Nov 94 11:07:02 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r6NSB-00000AC; Sat, 12 Nov 94 10:45 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mrosen@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Michael Rosen) Subject: PC PINE Date: 12 Nov 1994 11:29:27 -0700 Message-Id: <3a31i7$fug@nyx10.cs.du.edu> What do I need to run PC PINE on my home machine and where can I find it? I know a friend who is trying to get it to work on his system and he's missing the TCP/IP driver PINE says it needs in order to run. Why wouldn't this have been in the PINE package? I'd like to run PINE as a stand-alone for now as I do not have SLIP or PPP access as of yet. I want to manage my mail off-line rather than store it online and waste space. Thanks, Mike -- -- Michael Rosen mrosen@nyx.cs.du.edu George Washington University (Fall '92) Tau Epsilon Phi, Tau Theta 381 "Paint your bald spot?" -- alt.fan.don-n-mike From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 12 11:37:51 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10021; Sat, 12 Nov 94 11:37:51 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29669; Sat, 12 Nov 94 11:33:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mgate.uni-hannover.de by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29655; Sat, 12 Nov 94 11:33:45 -0800 Received: from rrzn7fs0.rrzn-user.uni-hannover.de by mgate.uni-hannover.de with SMTP (PP); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 20:35:07 +0100 Received: from sun1.rrzn-user.uni-hannover.de (actually 130.75.7.71) by rrzn7fs0.rrzn-user.uni-hannover.de with SMTP (PP); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 20:33:32 +0100 Received: by sun1.rrzn-user.uni-hannover.de (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA23504; Sat, 12 Nov 1994 20:33:31 +0100 From: X.Rajewsky@mbox.soziologie.uni-hannover.de Message-Id: <9411121933.AA23504@sun1.rrzn-user.uni-hannover.de> Subject: HELP needed installing pine on SunOs 5.3 (Generic_Patch sun4d sparc) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Date: Sat, 12 Nov 1994 20:33:31 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 711 Hi, I tried to install pine on a sunOs 5.3 machine using "build sv4" (I tried "build sun" as well, but this was even worse). Everything (mtest, imapd and pico) is working fine, but not Pine. The following lines appear on the screen: Making Pine. cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"SV4\" -c addrbook.c "/usr/include/unistd.h", line 171: identifier redeclared: rename "addrbook.,", line 3954: cannot recover from previous errors cc: acomp failed for addrbook.c ***Error code 1 make Fatal error: Command failed for target "addrbook.o" Can anyone help me and tell me what to do? Thanks in advance, Xenia Xenia Rajewsky Institut f. Soziologie Universitaet Hannover Germany x.rajewsky@mbox.soziologie.uni-hannover.de From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 12 12:23:35 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10897; Sat, 12 Nov 94 12:23:35 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00330; Sat, 12 Nov 94 12:13:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00324; Sat, 12 Nov 94 12:13:58 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r6OXa-00000AC; Sat, 12 Nov 94 11:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: debra.walker@aquila.com (Debra Walker) Subject: FAQ needed. Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 20:47:50 UNDEFINED Message-Id: Hello, everyone. I am new to this newsgroup. I would like to obtain a FAQ. Can anyone tell me where or how to get it? Thanks in advance. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 12 12:41:03 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11243; Sat, 12 Nov 94 12:41:03 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00569; Sat, 12 Nov 94 12:36:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from calvino.alaska.net by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00562; Sat, 12 Nov 94 12:36:49 -0800 Received: from yukon.alaska.net. by alaska.net (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA29830; Sat, 12 Nov 1994 11:36:42 +0900 Received: by yukon.alaska.net. (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00460; Sat, 12 Nov 94 11:37:21 AKS Date: Sat, 12 Nov 94 11:37:21 AKS From: joshuam@yukon.alaska.net (Joshua McDonald) Message-Id: <9411122037.AA00460@yukon.alaska.net.> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Content-Length: 36 unsubsribe joshuam@yukon.alaska.net From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 12 12:42:36 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11281; Sat, 12 Nov 94 12:42:36 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04467; Sat, 12 Nov 94 12:39:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04461; Sat, 12 Nov 94 12:39:30 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r6OpZ-00000FC; Sat, 12 Nov 94 12:13 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Susan Cassady Subject: Need Other news group addresses Date: Sat, 12 Nov 1994 12:11:46 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Brand new user to this Internet thing. Could anyone give me news group addresses? Groups of interest: agriculture, teaching, poetry, horticulture. Write sccassady@ucdavis.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 12 12:55:53 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11483; Sat, 12 Nov 94 12:55:53 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00758; Sat, 12 Nov 94 12:52:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00752; Sat, 12 Nov 94 12:52:26 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r6P4j-00000HC; Sat, 12 Nov 94 12:29 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu (J. Kelly Cunningham) Subject: mkpgp updated Date: 12 Nov 1994 03:20:39 GMT Message-Id: <3a1ca7$5jg@huron.eel.ufl.edu> Squashed a couple of bugs: Key additions work a bit better in a reply, replacement lists improved. Sigfiles can be moved outside signed clear text or removed from encryptions. Added external spell checker support. -- kc finger deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu | pgp -fka +force finger slutsky@lipschitz.sfasu.edu | pgp -f > mkpgp.txt From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 12 16:14:10 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15347; Sat, 12 Nov 94 16:14:10 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07023; Sat, 12 Nov 94 16:09:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07017; Sat, 12 Nov 94 16:09:33 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r6SBQ-00000AC; Sat, 12 Nov 94 15:48 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tkn@wigeo2. (Thomas Netousek) Subject: PINE and PGP ? Date: 12 Nov 1994 13:01:13 GMT Message-Id: <3a2eap$dud@osiris.wu-wien.ac.at> What is the best way to send and receive pgp encrypted messages with pine-3.91 ? Thomas Netousek From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 12 19:08:26 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18378; Sat, 12 Nov 94 19:08:26 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09010; Sat, 12 Nov 94 19:04:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09004; Sat, 12 Nov 94 19:04:37 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Sun, 13 Nov 94 11:01:19 -0800 Date: Sun, 13 Nov 1994 11:01:19 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: William McQueen Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: PINE mentoring In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 12 Nov 1994, William McQueen wrote: > I have just arrived at a new UNIX/PINE system. I know little or nothing > about this configuration. I arrive with fairly extensive experience with > the VAX/VMS system, and I especially miss the SELECT command. I FTP'd to > the washington site and got a couple of files, and am muddling through. I > have about 100 messages arriving daily, but have some very specific needs > in order to make this a faster process. > > First I want to see in the index the name of the server, primarily the > FROM address, but I also want to be able to sort by the TO or CC > addresses as well. How may I do that? Not sure I know what your mean by "name of the server". At this point you can only sort on "From:". > I wish to use the ";" select command in order to do aggregate commands. > How may I do that? I want to save entire folders of email into plain > ASCII/dos text files, all at one time. How may I do that? The version of > PINE which is used here is version 3.89. > > Any and all assistance and > mentoring greatly appreciated. Well, part of your problem is you are running 3.89. There are much more features in 3.91. Suggest you upgrade to 3.91, read *all* of the extensive help menus, get the FAQ and read that, play around for a bit, then take stock of where you are at. Then, come back with any and all questions. (Is that known as "mentoring" ? :-) :-) ) Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 12 19:12:44 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18452; Sat, 12 Nov 94 19:12:44 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09080; Sat, 12 Nov 94 19:09:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09074; Sat, 12 Nov 94 19:09:17 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Sun, 13 Nov 94 11:05:45 -0800 Date: Sun, 13 Nov 1994 11:05:44 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: X.Rajewsky@mbox.soziologie.uni-hannover.de Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: HELP needed installing pine on SunOs 5.3 (Generic_Patch sun4d sparc) In-Reply-To: <9411121933.AA23504@sun1.rrzn-user.uni-hannover.de> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 12 Nov 1994 X.Rajewsky@mbox.soziologie.uni-hannover.de wrote: > Hi, > I tried to install pine on a sunOs 5.3 machine using "build sv4" (I tried > "build sun" as well, but this was even worse). Everything (mtest, imapd and > pico) is working fine, but not Pine. The following lines appear on the > screen: > Making Pine. > cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"SV4\" -c addrbook.c > "/usr/include/unistd.h", line 171: identifier redeclared: rename > "addrbook.,", line 3954: cannot recover from previous errors > cc: acomp failed for addrbook.c > ***Error code 1 > make Fatal error: Command failed for target "addrbook.o" > > Can anyone help me and tell me what to do? You should be using "build sol". You may also have to check to see that the CFLAGS= variable in the makefile.sol contains -Dconst= After that it should build fine. Also, take care that your environment does *not* define LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/ucb/lib. Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 12 19:13:21 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18481; Sat, 12 Nov 94 19:13:21 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05164; Sat, 12 Nov 94 19:10:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05158; Sat, 12 Nov 94 19:10:07 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r6V2i-00000AC; Sat, 12 Nov 94 18:51 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Edward Shafran Subject: Pine, SVR4 and Memory Leaks Date: Thu, 10 Nov 94 21:44:30 -0500 Message-Id: We recently built Pine on our NCR system running SVR4 and the MetaWare High C Compiler. The generated binary appears to work OK but we find that over a period of days our memory utilization (sar -g) goes to heck. If we reboot the system everything returns to normal. If we stop using Pine for a couple of days we get no system performance deterioration. When we resume, so does the degradation. QED it seems that Pine is the culprit and our conclusion is that there must be some kind of memory leak. Any ideas? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 13 00:17:40 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23029; Sun, 13 Nov 94 00:17:40 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08426; Sun, 13 Nov 94 00:10:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08420; Sun, 13 Nov 94 00:10:16 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r6ZgR-00000IC; Sat, 12 Nov 94 23:49 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Ryan B. Neily" Subject: Suggestions for Pine! Date: Sun, 13 Nov 1994 02:44:37 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have a few Suggestions for upcoming versions of pine.. 1) Show how many new messages are new for NewsGroups.. 2) Allow different sorting for Regular Mail folders, and News Folders 3) Allow crossposting for Newsgroups... 4) Allow a move prompt to move News Folders Around so that you can change your reading order. (Changing them in the .newsrc is too much of a pain) 5) Allow multiple Subscribe/Unsubscribe tags when adding a Newgroup, insteadof adding one at a time.. Ryan Bradford Neily Phone1: 912-871-3457 Georgia Southern University Phone2: 404-565-3087 ACM Vice President Data: 912-871-3885 Internet: rbn@gsu.cs.gasou.edu Fax: 404-565-3249 Fidonet: 1@1:18/3 VNet: 1@1912110 Team Os/2! BBS: 912-871-3885 GAT/GCS d++ p+(++) c++ l u++ e++ m* s+/- n-(--) h-- f++ !g w+ t--- r-- x+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 13 02:43:49 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26187; Sun, 13 Nov 94 02:43:49 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10236; Sun, 13 Nov 94 02:38:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10230; Sun, 13 Nov 94 02:38:10 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r6c37-00000CC; Sun, 13 Nov 94 02:20 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: Mailing list Digests Date: 13 Nov 1994 09:40:04 GMT Message-Id: <3a4mtk$7r7@news.halcyon.com> References: rv@cslab9a.cs.brown.edu (rodrigo vanegas) writes: >How can i burst mailing list digests with Pine? One way is to pipe the message through ``formail -ds'' and put the output into a folder. E.g., while viewing the message do the following: Type... In order to... ------- -------------- | Pipe formail -ds >> ~/mail/burst Split the digest into individual messages and put them in a folder named ~/mail/burst. (Replace ~/mail with your folder directory.) g Go to folder named... burst burst Note that in order for this to work you need to set enable-unix-pipe-cmd. Hope this helps, Nancy -- /\_/\ ( o.o ) Nancy McGough http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ > ^ < Infinite Ink ftp://ftp.halcyon.com/pub/ii From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 13 02:43:56 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26208; Sun, 13 Nov 94 02:43:56 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14107; Sun, 13 Nov 94 02:38:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14101; Sun, 13 Nov 94 02:38:07 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r6c2z-00000BC; Sun, 13 Nov 94 02:20 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: Copying addresses from text Date: 13 Nov 1994 09:16:40 GMT Message-Id: <3a4lho$7pl@news.halcyon.com> References: Barry Landy writes: >I find that ^K/^U does indeed work, used the right way. Or if you are in Windows, either using a Windows comm program or a Windows telnet, you can use Windows' cut and past functions to do this. Nancy -- /\_/\ ( o.o ) Nancy McGough http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ > ^ < Infinite Ink ftp://ftp.halcyon.com/pub/ii From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 13 02:48:41 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26279; Sun, 13 Nov 94 02:48:41 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14157; Sun, 13 Nov 94 02:41:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14139; Sun, 13 Nov 94 02:41:01 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r6c3I-00000DC; Sun, 13 Nov 94 02:20 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? Date: 13 Nov 1994 10:09:09 GMT Message-Id: <3a4ok5$7sb@news.halcyon.com> References: <3a10pb$mq1@crl.crl.com> R.Kooijman@et.tudelft.nl (Richard Kooijman) writes: >On Fri, 11 Nov 1994, David S. Eitelbach wrote: >> "Post follow-up message to news group(s)?" >> >> The docs say you can suppress this prompt if you want Pine to >> assume you DO want to post as well as reply. What if you DON'T? > >How are you going to support a reply WITH post then? I think David's request is a good one. It would be nice if there were three variables, maybe called: enable-news-post-in-mail-folder news-post-without-validation-in-mail-folder news-post-without-validation-in-newsgroup For what I think David wants he would have enable-news-post-in-mail-folder *not* X'd. I'd recommend having all three of them *not* X'd as the default. To answer Richard's question about replying simultaneously through mail and news, you would go to the newsgroup and reply to the message there (that way you know that the message was actually posted so it is proper netiquette to respond publicly). Just an idea, Nancy -- /\_/\ ( o.o ) Nancy McGough http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ > ^ < Infinite Ink ftp://ftp.halcyon.com/pub/ii From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 13 02:51:02 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26337; Sun, 13 Nov 94 02:51:02 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10335; Sun, 13 Nov 94 02:46:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10329; Sun, 13 Nov 94 02:46:03 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r6cC8-00000FC; Sun, 13 Nov 94 02:30 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Roman Czyborra Subject: Re: Pine: re-sending and newsgroup speed. Date: Sun, 13 Nov 1994 11:24:11 +0100 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > If I just want to RE-SEND it in its original format (so the > receiver) doesn't know it's the second time around, is that > possible? Setup your pine to enable-bounce-command and then try out B. It should look like the original to the recipient even though a few header lines were added. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 13 07:26:16 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01618; Sun, 13 Nov 94 07:26:16 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17422; Sun, 13 Nov 94 07:17:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17416; Sun, 13 Nov 94 07:17:58 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r6gQE-00000BC; Sun, 13 Nov 94 07:00 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? Date: 13 Nov 94 14:53:00 GMT Message-Id: References: <3a10pb$mq1@crl.crl.com> dseitel@crl.com (David S. Eitelbach) writes: >In cases where someone replied to you out of a newsgroup, when >you reply in turn, you get a prompt about whether or not to >include the message in the reply, followed by a _second_ prompt: >"Post follow-up message to news group(s)?" >The docs say you can suppress this prompt if you want Pine to >assume you DO want to post as well as reply. What if you DON'T? >How the heck can you turn it off entirely *without Pine assuming >you want to post too?* >People used to the older version just bang on "y" when they see >a prompt while replying. I've already seen one case of private >email accidentally posted to a group because of this dangerous >flexibility in Pine. I expect to see more such choice morsels. >But it was embarrassing to those concerned. It would be an even >more flexible program if this feature could be disabled with a >do NOT post default. >Thanks for any and all help. >David S. Eitelbach >dseitel@crl.com I have stated before that I cannot imagine a situation in which I wanted to answer yes. I cannot find a reliable way to tell whether it was the intention of the sender for the mail to be private or public. I HAVE to assume that if I received it in mail then it is private. If the discussion is to be carried on in public, then I would have encountered the message in a newsgroup. When I post a reply and cc it to the original poster (something that is very easy to do with nn), I always alert the reader of the mail message Posted and mailed. I think the current behavior of pine is dangerous and useless and do not want to take responsibility for the consequences and have therefore refrained from installing it at my site, where I do almost all the free software installation and maintenance. The rest of the site is running 3.89. The main reason I upgraded was for the new default alt editor support. I want to be able to disable this behavior sitewide either at compile time or with the site config file. -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)313-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Gopher,chimera,nn,tin,jove,modems, free code is best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 13 07:53:31 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02066; Sun, 13 Nov 94 07:53:31 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13958; Sun, 13 Nov 94 07:46:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13952; Sun, 13 Nov 94 07:46:42 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r6gq6-00000BC; Sun, 13 Nov 94 07:27 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: chouman@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (Muhieddine M. Chouman) Subject: Letter received Notification Date: 13 Nov 1994 15:19:45 GMT Message-Id: <3a5aqh$5dg@cronkite.seas.gwu.edu> I would like to know when my messages are read. Using pine is there a way to get notified when the receiver of my messages did actually read them. THANKS -- ------------------------------------------------------- The George Washington University EMgmt/ AI Tel:703-241-2026 Fax:703-241-9133 E-Mail: Chouman@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 13 09:06:35 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03193; Sun, 13 Nov 94 09:06:35 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18495; Sun, 13 Nov 94 08:57:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18489; Sun, 13 Nov 94 08:57:03 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r6hxM-00000BC; Sun, 13 Nov 94 08:39 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Barry Landy Subject: Re: Copying addresses from text Date: Sun, 13 Nov 1994 16:24:56 +0000 Message-Id: References: <3a4lho$7pl@news.halcyon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3a4lho$7pl@news.halcyon.com> On 13 Nov 1994, Nancy McGough wrote: > Barry Landy writes: > >I find that ^K/^U does indeed work, used the right way. > > Or if you are in Windows, either using a Windows comm program or a > Windows telnet, you can use Windows' cut and past functions to > do this. > Or even in OS/2! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Barry Landy Computer Laboratory:+44 1223 334600 Head of Systems and Development Direct line: +44 1223 334713 University of Cambridge Computing Service New Museums Site Email:Barry.Landy@ucs.cam.ac.uk Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QG From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 13 09:27:17 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03505; Sun, 13 Nov 94 09:27:17 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18778; Sun, 13 Nov 94 09:18:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18772; Sun, 13 Nov 94 09:18:11 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r6iGo-00000BC; Sun, 13 Nov 94 08:59 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: PINE mentoring Date: 13 Nov 94 17:02:16 GMT Message-Id: References: wmcqueen@oise.on.ca (William McQueen) writes: >I have just arrived at a new UNIX/PINE system. I know little or nothing >about this configuration. I arrive with fairly extensive experience with >the VAX/VMS system, and I especially miss the SELECT command. I FTP'd to >the washington site and got a couple of files, and am muddling through. I >have about 100 messages arriving daily, but have some very specific needs >in order to make this a faster process. >First I want to see in the index the name of the server, primarily the >FROM address, but I also want to be able to sort by the TO or CC >addresses as well. How may I do that? >I wish to use the ";" select command in order to do aggregate commands. >How may I do that? I want to save entire folders of email into plain >ASCII/dos text files, all at one time. How may I do that? The version of >PINE which is used here is version 3.89. Unimplemented in 3.89. Upgrade to 3.91. It has a number of new capabilities, along with a few gotchas. >Any and all assistance and >mentoring greatly appreciated. >Bill McQueen in Toronto >| wmcqueen@oise.on.ca >| "Life is a seamless robe of learning!" -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)313-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Gopher,chimera,nn,tin,jove,modems, free code is best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 13 09:28:49 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03548; Sun, 13 Nov 94 09:28:49 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18721; Sun, 13 Nov 94 09:11:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18715; Sun, 13 Nov 94 09:11:53 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r6iCH-00000FC; Sun, 13 Nov 94 08:54 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? Date: 13 Nov 94 16:49:59 GMT Message-Id: References: <3a10pb$mq1@crl.crl.com> R.Kooijman@et.tudelft.nl (Richard Kooijman) writes: >On Fri, 11 Nov 1994, David S. Eitelbach wrote: >> "Post follow-up message to news group(s)?" >> >> The docs say you can suppress this prompt if you want Pine to >> assume you DO want to post as well as reply. What if you DON'T? >How are you going to support a reply WITH post then? I have said this a number of times: I can hardly imagine a case where this is called for, appropriate OR needed. Despite the insistence of many people on this group to the contrary, many people prefer to think of mail as a private activity, while posting is a public activity. For those of us who want it, pine should be configurable to be more mode oriented on this issue. This is almost as bad as Bcc's that aren't. >> People used to the older version just bang on "y" when they see >> a prompt while replying. I've already seen one case of private >> email accidentally posted to a group because of this dangerous >> flexibility in Pine. I expect to see more such choice morsels. >Dangerous flexibility? How about people-who-don't-bother-to-read are >dangerous? You mean they also always reply with included message AND to >all recipients? Probably the same people who publicly post those very >informing 'Thank you for your reply' on mailing lists. Frequently used tools should be configurable so that a minimum of care is needed to insure reasonable default behavior, selectable by the sysadmin and/or user. One of the advantages of pine < 3.90 was that it had generally less dangerous behavior than elm, partly from lessened flexibility in some areas. >> But it was embarrassing to those concerned. It would be an even >> more flexible program if this feature could be disabled with a >> do NOT post default. >There are two ways to learn things: inform yourself beforehand, and by >trial-and-error. Cars should not be built with the control pedals interchanged, particularly when they are touted to novices for their ease of use. "We decided to put the accelerator under the left foot because it takes less strength than the clutch, which we put under the right foot." >I guess those concerned know better now. >This sounds like a harsh reply (well, it is) but I just think that Pine >should not be changed for every user that has some problem he/she created >on his/her own. A UI still requires some thought of its user, we haven't >any UI's connected directly to our brains yet. All some of us are asking for is to make this insane behavior configurable. And to fix Bcc. >Richard. -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)313-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Gopher,chimera,nn,tin,jove,modems, free code is best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 13 09:28:51 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03556; Sun, 13 Nov 94 09:28:51 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14891; Sun, 13 Nov 94 09:10:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14885; Sun, 13 Nov 94 09:10:13 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r6i8E-00000DC; Sun, 13 Nov 94 08:50 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: wacker@kant.Physik.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Klaus Wacker) Subject: Re: Conversion of elm aliases to pine addressbook Date: 13 Nov 1994 16:47:42 GMT Message-Id: <3a5fve$iui@nx2.hrz.uni-dortmund.de> References: <39qj5g$gfj@nx2.hrz.uni-dortmund.de> Following up on my own request... I (wacker@kant.Physik.Uni-Dortmund.DE) wrote: > Does anybody have a filter which converts elm's aliases.text to pine > addressbook format? I guess it is pretty straight forward to do, but > it would save me some work if its been done already. I received one script by email, which seems to work only in simple cases, and I found something in the FAQ, where however the most important part is missing. Meanwhile, I wrote my own perl script, which I claim digests everything elm accepts and converts it into something pine accepts. Please tell me if you find otherwise. I intend to use this script regularly to keep system-wide aliases and addressbooks in synch. It is appended below. > Is it right that there can be only one nickname per addressbook entry? > Elm allows several. Since I haven't heard anything to the contrary, the script below assumes this. > Finally, is there a FAQ for comp.mail.pine? I saw one in the meantime, but I still ask myself why it can't be found in the usual places. Finally, I want to apologize for the mangled From-headers of my previous postings. It was due to a combination of a tin "feature" and the way I used xterm, and I hope it is corrected with this posting. -- | / | | | | | wacker@Physik.Uni-Dortmund.DE | / | _ __ | | | _ _ | _ _ Klaus Wacker, Exp.Physik V |/\ | _\ | | (_ | | | _\ / |_) /_) | Uni Dortmund | \_|_(_|_|_|___) |_|_|_(_|_\__| \_/\___| D-44221 Dortmund +49 (231) 755 3587 ----------------------cut-here---------------------------------------- #!/usr/local/bin/perl # # elm-to-pine: Convert elm aliases file to pine address book # Author: Klaus Wacker (wacker@Physik.Uni-Dortmund.DE) # # Usage e.g. # elm-to-pine ~/.elm/aliases.text >~/.addressbook # # get a line, combining continuation lines # that start with whitespace # (taken from the perl man page and modified) sub get_line { return 0 if eof(); $thisline = $lookahead; line: while ($lookahead = <>) { if ($lookahead =~ /^[ \t]/) { $thisline .= $lookahead; } else { last line; } } $thisline; } $lookahead = <>; # get first line while ($_ = do get_line()) { next if /^\#/; # Skip comments chop; s/\t/ /g; # Lets not get confused by any tabs in the file ($nicks,$name,$address)=split(/ *= */,$_,3); @nick=split(/ *, */,$nicks); ($fullname,$remark)=split(/ *, */,$name,2); $fullname =~ s/;/,/; # Lastname[;,] Firstname if ($address =~ /,/ ) {$address="(".$address.")";} # Its a list foreach $nicki (@nick) { # Pine doesn't allow multiple nicknames printf "%s\t%s\t%s\t\t%s\n", $nicki, $fullname, $address, $remark; $address = $nick[0]; # Let additional nicks point to the first one } } ----------------------cut-here---------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 13 09:34:46 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03662; Sun, 13 Nov 94 09:34:46 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14974; Sun, 13 Nov 94 09:18:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14968; Sun, 13 Nov 94 09:18:09 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r6iEP-00000HC; Sun, 13 Nov 94 08:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? Date: 13 Nov 94 16:59:40 GMT Message-Id: References: <3a10pb$mq1@crl.crl.com> <3a4ok5$7sb@news.halcyon.com> Nancy McGough writes: >R.Kooijman@et.tudelft.nl (Richard Kooijman) writes: >>On Fri, 11 Nov 1994, David S. Eitelbach wrote: >>> "Post follow-up message to news group(s)?" >>> >>> The docs say you can suppress this prompt if you want Pine to >>> assume you DO want to post as well as reply. What if you DON'T? >> >>How are you going to support a reply WITH post then? >I think David's request is a good one. It would be nice if there were >three variables, maybe called: > enable-news-post-in-mail-folder > news-post-without-validation-in-mail-folder > news-post-without-validation-in-newsgroup >For what I think David wants he would have enable-news-post-in-mail-folder >*not* X'd. I'd recommend having all three of them *not* X'd as the default. >To answer Richard's question about replying simultaneously through mail >and news, you would go to the newsgroup and reply to the message there >(that way you know that the message was actually posted so it is proper >netiquette to respond publicly). Perfect suggestion! Every last word of it! Let people choose insane behavior, but make the default as conservative as possible. >Just an idea, Not! A GREAT idea. >Nancy >-- > /\_/\ >( o.o ) Nancy McGough http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ > > ^ < Infinite Ink ftp://ftp.halcyon.com/pub/ii -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)313-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Gopher,chimera,nn,tin,jove,modems, free code is best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 13 10:11:34 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04185; Sun, 13 Nov 94 10:11:34 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19177; Sun, 13 Nov 94 09:54:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from arizvm1.CCIT.Arizona.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19171; Sun, 13 Nov 94 09:54:51 -0800 Received: from orca.fhcrc.org by ARIZVM1.ccit.arizona.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Sun, 13 Nov 94 10:55:01 MST Received: by orca.fhcrc.org (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA103262; Sun, 13 Nov 1994 09:56:26 -0800 Date: Sun, 13 Nov 1994 09:56:26 -0800 (PST) From: Brent Blumenstein To: Barry Landy Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Copying addresses from text In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII And another thing about OS/2, you can do this under OS/2 whether you are using a PM (GUI) terminal emulator, or a character-based emulator. -- Brent A. Blumenstein | tel.: 206 667 4623 Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center | fax: 206 667 4408 1124 Columbia Street MP-557 | e-mail: brentb@orca.fhcrc.org Seattle, WA 98104 USA | On Sun, 13 Nov 1994, Barry Landy wrote: > On 13 Nov 1994, Nancy McGough wrote: > > > Barry Landy writes: > > >I find that ^K/^U does indeed work, used the right way. > > > > Or if you are in Windows, either using a Windows comm program or a > > Windows telnet, you can use Windows' cut and past functions to > > do this. > > > > Or even in OS/2! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Barry Landy Computer Laboratory:+44 1223 334600 > Head of Systems and Development Direct line: +44 1223 334713 > University of Cambridge Computing Service > New Museums Site Email:Barry.Landy@ucs.cam.ac.uk > Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QG > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 13 10:39:04 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04642; Sun, 13 Nov 94 10:39:04 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15580; Sun, 13 Nov 94 10:18:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15574; Sun, 13 Nov 94 10:18:22 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r6jEH-00000BC; Sun, 13 Nov 94 10:00 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Pine for Linux Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 15:08:28 -0800 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Both source and a compiled version are available from ftp.cac.washington.edu in the pine directory. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 9 Nov 1994, Chris Hirsch wrote: > Date: Wed, 9 NOV 1994 11:35:20 -0700 > From: Chris Hirsch > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Pine for Linux > > Does anybody know where I can either get a compiled version of Pine for > Linux or where the source code is? > > Thanks, > Chris > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 13 11:41:25 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05763; Sun, 13 Nov 94 11:41:25 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16461; Sun, 13 Nov 94 11:32:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from dutepp6.et.tudelft.nl by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16455; Sun, 13 Nov 94 11:32:54 -0800 Received: by dutepp6.et.tudelft.nl id AA23072 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 20:32:36 +0100 Date: Sun, 13 Nov 1994 20:32:35 +0100 (MET) From: Richard Kooijman X-Sender: richard@dutepp6.et.tudelft.nl To: "R. Stewart Ellis" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 13 Nov 1994, R. Stewart Ellis wrote: > I think the current behavior of pine is dangerous and useless and do not > want to take responsibility for the consequences and have therefore > refrained from installing it at my site, where I do almost all the free > software installation and maintenance. The rest of the site is running > 3.89. The main reason I upgraded was for the new default alt editor > support. Man..... The only thing you have to do is answer 'no' to one of the questions. Make sure as installer that there is a system-wide config file which enables the question, and post a message when the next reading courses start. > I want to be able to disable this behavior sitewide either at compile time > or with the site config file. Enabling the question is possible. As your signature says, free software is the best, but you forgot to mention that you don't want to make any efforts using it. Richard. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 13 12:27:11 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06445; Sun, 13 Nov 94 12:27:11 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16983; Sun, 13 Nov 94 12:19:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16977; Sun, 13 Nov 94 12:19:03 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r6l6p-00000VC; Sun, 13 Nov 94 12:01 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tgpt_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Tom Guptill) Subject: Group/List for Pine/VMS? Message-Id: <1994Nov13.193635.25310@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 94 19:36:35 GMT Is there a newsgroup/mailing list for VMS Pine (v3.89beta, not the pmdf version)? I can't seem to find an active newsgroup on my machine, but I figured there might be a list. I'm running pine under VMS v5.5 and using mail/pmdf as a gateway since we don't run Multinet on our cluster. Is this version still being developed, or has it been replaced by the commercial PMDF version? Tom -- | Tom Guptill | | CPU Box 277445 UoR | | Rochester, NY 14627 tgpt_ltd@UORDBV | | GMT-5h (716) 274-3210 I don't speak for UCC from this account. | From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 13 12:27:53 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06474; Sun, 13 Nov 94 12:27:53 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20780; Sun, 13 Nov 94 12:19:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20774; Sun, 13 Nov 94 12:19:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r6l6f-00000QC; Sun, 13 Nov 94 12:00 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bdan@wam.umd.edu (Bryan Dan) Subject: PINE 3.91 BUG for open INBOX .. Date: 13 Nov 1994 20:00:19 GMT Message-Id: <3a5r8j$2jk@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> Hi, I downloaded the file "pine-bin.ultrix" from ftp.cac.washington.edu today. The version was 3.91. When I tried to run it, I got an ERROR on opening INBOX. It seem PINE does NOT use the variable "$USER" in the inbox-path. And I tried "echo $USER" at unix prompt, it return "bdan" to me. The following is the system conf, .pinerc and .pine-debug1. Please help, Thanks!! # /usr/local/lib/pine.conf # user-domain=wam.umd.edu inbox-path=/usr/spool/mail/$USER/$USER # Yes, two $USER variables news-collections=*{news-srv.wam.umd.edu/nntp}[] ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- # ~/.pinerc # # Updated by Pine(tm) 3.91, copyright 1989-1993 University of Washington. # # Pine configuration file -- customize as needed. # # Path of (local or remote) INBOX, e.g. ={mail.somewhere.edu}inbox # Normal Unix default is the local INBOX (usually /usr/spool/mail/$USER). inbox-path= # [lines deleted here ...] # Set by Pine; controls display of "new version" message. last-version-used=3.91 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- # ~/.pine-debug1 # Debug output of the Pine program (at debug level 2). Version 3.91 Sun Nov 13 14:14:54 1994 reading_pinerc "/usr/local/lib/pine.conf" Read 112 characters: reading_pinerc "/afs/wam.umd.edu/usr1/bdan/home/.pinerc" Read 5461 characters: reading_pinerc "/usr/local/lib/pine.conf.fixed" Open failed: No such file or directory ======= Current_val options set ======= user-domain : wam.umd.edu inbox-path : /usr/spool/mail/ folder-collections : mail/[] news-collections : *{news-srv.wam.umd.edu/nntp}[] default-fcc : sent-mail postponed-folder : postponed-msgs mail-directory : mail signature-file : .signature address-book : .addressbook saved-msg-name-rule : default-folder fcc-name-rule : default-fcc sort-key : arrival addrbook-sort-rule : fullname-with-lists-last use-only-domain-name : no printer : attached-to-ansi standard-printer : lpr last-time-prune-ques : 94.11 last-version-used : 3.91 bugs-fullname : Pine Developers bugs-address : pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu elm-style-save : no header-in-reply : no feature-level : sapling old-style-reply : no save-by-sender : no ======= Command_line_val options set ======= ======= User_val options set (/afs/wam.umd.edu/usr1/bdan/home/.pinerc) ======= inbox-path : /usr/spool/mail/$USER/$USER last-time-prune-ques : 94.11 last-version-used : 3.91 ======= Global_val options set (/usr/local/lib/pine.conf) ======= user-domain : wam.umd.edu inbox-path : /usr/spool/mail/$USER/$USER news-collections : *{news-srv.wam.umd.edu/nntp}[] default-fcc : sent-mail postponed-folder : postponed-msgs mail-directory : mail signature-file : .signature address-book : .addressbook saved-msg-name-rule : default-folder fcc-name-rule : default-fcc sort-key : arrival addrbook-sort-rule : fullname-with-lists-last use-only-domain-name : no printer : attached-to-ansi standard-printer : lpr bugs-fullname : Pine Developers bugs-address : pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu elm-style-save : no header-in-reply : no feature-level : sapling old-style-reply : no save-by-sender : no ======= Fixed_val options set (NO pine.conf.fixed) ======= ========== Feature settings ========== no-assume-slow-link no-auto-move-read-msgs no-auto-open-next-unread no-compose-rejects-unqualified-addrs no-compose-sets-newsgroup-without-confirm no-delete-skips-deleted no-disable-config-cmd no-disable-keyboard-lock-cmd no-disable-password-cmd no-disable-update-cmd no-enable-aggregate-command-set no-enable-alternate-editor-cmd no-enable-alternate-editor-implicitly no-enable-bounce-cmd no-enable-flag-cmd no-enable-full-header-cmd no-enable-incoming-folders no-enable-jump-shortcut no-enable-mail-check-cue no-enable-suspend no-enable-tab-completion no-enable-unix-pipe-cmd no-expanded-view-of-addressbooks no-expanded-view-of-folders no-expunge-without-confirm no-include-attachments-in-reply no-include-header-in-reply no-include-text-in-reply no-news-approximates-new-status no-news-post-without-validation no-news-read-in-newsrc-order no-preserve-start-stop-characters no-quell-user-lookup-in-passwd-file no-quit-without-confirm no-save-will-quote-leading-froms no-save-will-not-delete no-save-will-advance no-select-without-confirm no-show-selected-in-boldface no-signature-at-bottom no-use-current-dir no-use-function-keys Userid: bdan Fullname: "Bryan Dan" User domain name being used "wam.umd.edu" Local Domain name being used "wam.umd.edu" Host name being used "rac7.wam.umd.edu" Mail Domain name being used (by c-client too)"wam.umd.edu" Context mail/[] type: LOCAL new win size -----<24 80>------ Terminal type: xterm Context mail/[] type: LOCAL Context *{news-srv.wam.umd.edu/nntp}[] type: REMOTE BBOARD OLDTECH About to open folder "INBOX" inbox: "INBOX" IMAP 14:14 11/13 mm_log ERROR: Can't open mailbox /usr/spool/mail/: no such mailbox IMAP 14:14 11/13 mm_log babble: Find of mailbox outside context: /afs/wam.umd.edu/usr1/bdan/home/.pine-interrupted-mail - mailcap_free - ---- MAIN_MENU_SCREEN ---- ---- QUIT SCREEN ---- Want_to read: y (121) about to end_tty_driver - completely_done_with_adrbks - - mailcap_free - _____________________________ _____ | Bryan Dan \ \ \__ _____ | bdan@wam.umd.edu \___________\ \/_______\___\_____________ | bdan@smartguy.umd.edu / ( /_/ ..................... `-. |_____________________________/ `-----------,----,--------------' _/____/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 13 12:50:50 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06815; Sun, 13 Nov 94 12:50:50 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20960; Sun, 13 Nov 94 12:33:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20954; Sun, 13 Nov 94 12:33:43 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r6lJx-00000BC; Sun, 13 Nov 94 12:14 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Randy Holder Subject: Re: Multiple Addressees in Pine Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 17:04:42 -0600 Message-Id: References: <39dpd3$9or@inxs.ncren.net> <39e2b5$o5s@panix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Chris, Place the Individual recipient's address on the to line as normal. Press the control button and r for rich headers. Place the other addresses or nicknames in the bcc field (blind carbon copy). Send the message as normal. This should accomplish what you're looking for. Randy Holder _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Randy V. Holder Phone: (501) 575-2905 Electronic Mail Support Specialist Fax: (501) 575-4753 Lotus 1-2-3 Support Email: Rholder@comp.uark.edu University of Arkansas Fayetteville, Arkansas _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ On Sat, 5 Nov 1994, BeardGroup wrote: > I would like to send messages to multiple addressees with only the > individual recipient's name showing on the "To" line. Currently the > whole list is shown. I would assume that this should be a relatively > simple problem to solve but I can't seem to find the answer. I'd > appreciate any help or direction in as non-technical terms as possible. > Thanks in advance. > Chris Beard > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 13 14:12:51 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08304; Sun, 13 Nov 94 14:12:51 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18132; Sun, 13 Nov 94 13:57:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18126; Sun, 13 Nov 94 13:57:46 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r6mdQ-00000BC; Sun, 13 Nov 94 13:38 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: automan Subject: Newbie question about .addressbook conversion Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 19:35:46 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Please forgive me if this is a FAQ, it seems rather important though so even if it is it probably deserves to be reiterated anyway :-> Does anyone have a method of converting .alias files to .addressbook format files? It would be *really* annoying to have to do it by hand for around 500 entries! Anyone got an old script laying about or something? Please respond via E-amil, even if you post, as I really need an answer! Thanks, Tobias Zimmerman automan@umich.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 13 16:01:11 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10202; Sun, 13 Nov 94 16:01:11 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19590; Sun, 13 Nov 94 15:51:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19584; Sun, 13 Nov 94 15:51:14 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Mon, 14 Nov 94 07:47:52 -0800 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 07:47:52 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: pine is like a VCR.... Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, Considering some of the posts as of late I couldn't resist. Yesterday my wife, who is not computer literate (still thinks a mouse belongs in a trap....humm...could be right there), spent some time looking over my shoulder. She had couple of analogies that I found amusing. I'll paraphrase: pine is like a VCR, it has lots of buttons and features....but you rarely use more than a few. And my favorite....(after I explained about newsgroups): pine is like a VCR, it comes with a thick manual that nobody reads and everyone complains because it doesn't work right. Regards, Ed and Hsiu-Inn Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 13 16:08:27 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10347; Sun, 13 Nov 94 16:08:27 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23525; Sun, 13 Nov 94 15:59:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23519; Sun, 13 Nov 94 15:59:12 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r6oSe-00000FC; Sun, 13 Nov 94 15:35 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: babak@scorpio.sprc.qut.edu.au (Babak Mohajerin) Subject: Re: Please Help: elm disappears from screen Message-Id: <1994Nov13.232102.16161@news.qut.edu.au> References: <1994Nov11.063850.2018@news.qut.edu.au> <5CCUB6PF@math.fu-berlin.de> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 94 23:21:02 GMT In article <5CCUB6PF@math.fu-berlin.de>, Sven Guckes writes: > b.mohajerin@qut.edu.au (Babak Mohajerin) writes: > >We are using elm version 2.4 Patch level 23 on a Sun sparc platform > >running Solaris 2.3. It seems that elm occasionally disappears without > >anyone terminating it or exiting from it. It just vanishes. > > Elm "disappears"? > What do you mean? > > 1) The window which showed Elm disappers. > 2) Elm disappears from the window which showed it, but the window now > displays a shell (or whatever). > 3) Elm disappeared from the process list. > 4) Elm disappeared from the hard disk. > 5) I can't find the manuals. > >From the above list 2 and 3 are the correct discription of the problem. It is as if it has been terminated by a kill signal or some one has ^C the elm menu. > >There is a message, however, appears on the screen about alarm clock problem. > > Huh? Would you care to elaborate please? with many thanks -- Babak Mohajerin __/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/ Babak Mohajerin, Technologist | voice: +61 7 8641401 _--_|\ __/ Signal Processing Research Centre | Fax: +61 7 8641516 / \ __/ Sch. E&ESE, QUT, Gardens Point. | \_.--._/ __/ GPO Box 2434, Brisbane QLD 4001, | V __/ Australia |E-Mail: b.mohajerin@qut.edu.au __/ __/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/ __/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 13 17:00:54 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11277; Sun, 13 Nov 94 17:00:54 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20326; Sun, 13 Nov 94 16:49:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20320; Sun, 13 Nov 94 16:49:41 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r6pKw-00000HC; Sun, 13 Nov 94 16:31 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: IMAP x NFS in Unix Date: Sun, 13 Nov 1994 16:25:41 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On 11 Nov 1994, Jason Haar wrote: > UDP-based NFS is inherently faster than TCP-based IMAP, but there's a > gotcha. If you receive heaps of large MIME messages (Framemaker > attachments/etc), then IMAP should be faster on indexing than NFS as the > indexing is done locally with IMAP, but remotely (i.e. other end of NFS > link) with NFS. I think that 99% of the time NFS should still be faster > though... I'd like to offer some corrections to this. Like most complex questions, there is no single ``best'' solution; to make an intelligent decision you have to have an understanding of the fundamental nature of the two mechanisms. Byte-per-byte, NFS will be faster than IMAP because of the underlying transport (UDP-based file access vs. transaction-based TCP). What can tip the balance in favor of IMAP is that IMAP avoids having to send substantial amounts of data. Specifically: 1) IMAP never needs to send message data *back* to the folder when doing an EXPUNGE or folder checkpoint. 2) IMAP never needs to retrieve message data from messages that the user does not look at. With NFS, you are effectively downloading the entire mailbox to the client. With IMAP, it is access on demand. 3) IMAP permits server-based execution of certain operations (RFC822 parse, MIME parse, and searching) that can be difficult on some limited-resource clients and/or require downloading of data that may turn out to be uninteresting. What are the implications of this? 1) IMAP is almost always better over low-speed links, such as SLIP, because of its fetch-on-demand nature. I'll go out on a limb here, and say that based on my experience NFS is not viable unless you have a high-speed interconnect. 2) NFS is probably better for users whose model of mail is to read all of it and delete it from the server; *provided* that the client has adequate memory to hold the data and avoid repeated NFS retrievals of the same data. 3) IMAP is better for users who have very large folders, read their new mail and keep their old mail in the folder for archival purposes. You would not want to use a 5,000 message folder with NFS. Of course, there are also the issues of synchronization of multiple simultaneous access and locking which NFS, due to its stateless nature, handles poorly. These require state, and NFS is stateless. This is why the tenex format isn't supported over NFS. SVR4 makes an attempt to implement state for locking, but usually ends up falling flat on its face. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 13 17:46:19 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12255; Sun, 13 Nov 94 17:46:19 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24721; Sun, 13 Nov 94 17:35:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24715; Sun, 13 Nov 94 17:35:39 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r6pup-00000HC; Sun, 13 Nov 94 17:09 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lawless@sfo.geog.ucsb.edu (Michael Lawless) Subject: Re: PINE and PGP ? Date: 14 Nov 1994 00:51:43 GMT Message-Id: <3a6cb0$ac4@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu> References: <3a2eap$dud@osiris.wu-wien.ac.at> This is what I got when I asked that question. It works for me. ------Begin Forward-------- There are some perl scripts around which you can use, but I find them a little bulky, so I wrote this shellscript which does the job pretty well. It uses the Solaris2 version of 'echo', so if you're on a BSD system, change any echo lines that end in \c to 'echo -n' and remove the \c. There might be a few \t's in the echo lines too. These need to be replaced with real tabs for BSD echo. To integrate it into pine, put this script somewhere in your path (with read & execute perms on it) and change the alternative editor to 'editpgp -i'. Write your mail as normal, then enter the alternate editor to handle signing and encryption. (Just run 'editpgp' with no args for info on command line args). 'editpgp -h' should be used with applications like TIN which leave headers in the text to be edited. The only bug(/feature?) with this script is that if you reply to encrypted mail and include the message in the reply, the script doesn't automatically decrypt the message for you. I only wrote it because I didn't like the perl scripts and I was bored, so I don't pretend it's perfect, but it works pretty well and it's fast *;O) Mark. - -- .--------------------------{ From: Mark Lewis }--------------------------. | PGP public key available by fingering ec179@finger.city.ac.uk | `------------------{ Email: nostra@city.ac.uk (MIME) }-------------------' - ----{ editpgp }---- #!/bin/sh # # PGP editor wrapper. # # Copyright (c) 1994, Mark Lewis. # # This software may be distributed freely as long as no profit is made # from it and this header remains intact. tmpdir=/tmp ### Functions f_test_args() { if [ $# -eq 0 ]; then echo "Usage: `basename $0` [-option] filename" echo "Options:" echo "\t-i\tinteractive (start at the menu)" echo "\t-h\theader mode (don't sign or encrypt headers)" exit 1 fi } f_split_file() { if [ "$headermode" ]; then awk '{ print }; /^$/ { exit }' $filename > ${tmpdir}/tmp$$.hdr awk 'body == 1 { print }; /^$/ { body=1 }' $filename > ${tmpdir}/tmp$$ else cp $filename ${tmpdir}/tmp$$ fi } f_restore_file() { if [ "$headermode" ]; then cat ${tmpdir}/tmp$$.hdr ${tmpdir}/tmp$$.asc > $filename rm -f ${tmpdir}/tmp$$.hdr ${tmpdir}/tmp$$.asc else mv -f ${tmpdir}/tmp$$.asc $filename fi } ### Start of script # Parse arguments while [ 1 ]; do if [ "$1" = "-" ]; then shift break elif [ "$1" = "-i" ]; then shift ans=interactive elif [ "$1" = "-h" ]; then shift headermode=1 else break fi done f_test_args $* clear defeditor=${EDITOR:-${VISUAL:-vi}} filename=`echo "$*" | cut -d' ' -f$#` if [ "$ans" != interactive ]; then echo "$defeditor $*" $defeditor $* fi # Interactive part while [ "$ans" != x ]; do echo "\n[E]dit/view, en[C]rypt, clear[S]ign or e[X]it? \c" read ans if [ "$ans" = e ]; then echo "Which Editor/Viewer? [${defeditor}] \c" read editor echo "${editor:-$defeditor} $*" ${editor:-$defeditor} $* elif [ "$ans" = c ]; then recipients="?" while [ "$recipients" = "?" ]; do echo "Enter recipients, separated by spaces: ('?' to list keys)" read recipients if [ "$recipients" = "?" ]; then pgp -kv elif [ "$recipients" = "" ]; then echo "Encryption aborted." else while [ "$opts" = "" ]; do echo "Sign encrypted message (y/n)? [n] \c" read tmp if [ "$tmp" = y ]; then opts=seat elif [ "$tmp" = "" -o "$tmp" = n ]; then opts=eat fi done f_split_file pgp -$opts ${tmpdir}/tmp$$ $recipients rm -f ${tmpdir}/tmp$$ if [ $? -eq 0 ]; then f_restore_file else echo "*Error in encryption. Aborted." fi fi done elif [ "$ans" = s ]; then f_split_file pgp -sat +clearsig=on ${tmpdir}/tmp$$ rm -f ${tmpdir}/tmp$$ if [ $? -eq 0 ]; then f_restore_file else echo "*Error in signing. Aborted." fi fi done clear exit 0 ------- End Forward --------- -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Lawless |Remote Sensing Research Unit lawless@geog.ucsb.edu |Geography Department, UCSB "I dream in infra-red." |Santa Barbara, CA 93106 --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.1 mQBtAy6cMUoAAAEDAKbpkQa9zQOnykFKAcAO6J1ZO8N6yZcAiIS6Vg8/aTI44NmO 9Gt1p0a4M+6Wpy5PMlnZPjqlH6JSK8bqPApaVcLMEnmP5Vy7k+uLzExPP6MEptBH uWBcXF1qIZRU0zEjmQAFEbQqTWljaGFlbCBKLiBMYXdsZXNzIDxsYXdsZXNzQGdl b2cudWNzYi5lZHU+ =yV8M -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 13 18:03:07 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12599; Sun, 13 Nov 94 18:03:07 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21263; Sun, 13 Nov 94 17:53:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21257; Sun, 13 Nov 94 17:53:33 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r6qKg-00000HC; Sun, 13 Nov 94 17:35 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: syd@myxa.com (Syd Weinstein) Subject: Re: Please Help: elm disappears from screen Date: 13 Nov 1994 20:33:21 -0500 Message-Id: <3a6ep1$ebq@dsinc.myxa.com> References: <1994Nov11.063850.2018@news.qut.edu.au> <5CCUB6PF@math.fu-berlin.de> <1994Nov13.232102.16161@news.qut.edu.au> >There is a message, however, appears on the screen about alarm clock problem. alarm clock is what appears when the alarm(x) system call is not caught. Elm posts an alarm, and its signal is what causes the screen to refresh. Alarm clock, followed by an exit means that the signal handler was not configured correctly by the installer of Elm for your system, and its not re-posting itself as the handler for the alarm signal. (IE: Its an installer's configure error.) Using PL24, this configuration option is not longer even used with the alarm signal, so I'd say, upgrade to pl24. -- Sydney S. Weinstein, CDP, CCP Elm Coordinator - Current 2.4PL24 Myxa Corporation Projected 3.0 Release: ??? ?,199? syd@Myxa.COM or dsinc!syd Voice: (215) 947-9900, FAX: (215) 938-0235 Welcome Page: http://www.myxa.com Elm WWW: http://www.myxa.com/elm.html From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 13 18:32:58 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13173; Sun, 13 Nov 94 18:32:58 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25386; Sun, 13 Nov 94 18:23:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25380; Sun, 13 Nov 94 18:23:28 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r6qmK-00000HC; Sun, 13 Nov 94 18:04 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: penev@milano.Rockefeller.edu (Penio Penev) Subject: Re: Help... Pine for an SGI running IRIX Message-Id: <1994Nov13.134456.25360@rockyd> References: Date: Sun, 13 Nov 94 13:44:56 EST On Sun, 06 Nov 1994 18:40:06 -0400 Matthew Kaufman (mkaufman@apollo.aoe.vt.edu) wrote: | I am looking for someone who has a copy of pine and/or pico operating | succesfully on a Silicon Graphics machine running IRIX. I'd like to get | the binaries for my local machine. I wrote to UofW and they reffered me | to this group. The mail to your bounced :-( Check your address. I don't normally log to the group often, but I saw your message. I believe you've gotten lots of mail by now, but it case you haven't -- drop me an email and I'll put them for anon ftp. -- Penio Penev 1-212-327-7423 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 13 20:26:32 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15462; Sun, 13 Nov 94 20:26:32 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23037; Sun, 13 Nov 94 20:18:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23027; Sun, 13 Nov 94 20:18:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r6sdF-00000VC; Sun, 13 Nov 94 20:03 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: fxars@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu Subject: Re: Pine for VMS Date: 14 Nov 1994 04:28:49 GMT Message-Id: References: In-Reply-To: d93matkr@hera.isy.liu.se's message of 05 Nov 1994 14:54:48 GMT >>>>> "M" == MATS KRONBERG writes: M> Where can I find Pine for VMS? We already run PMDF PINE which comes with PMDF. For further contact the Innosoft Corporation. They do have an anonymous ftp site at innosoft.com. I'd like to know if there are other versions of pine for OpenVMS out there, which don't require proprietary software? === Al From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 13 21:40:51 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16706; Sun, 13 Nov 94 21:40:51 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27848; Sun, 13 Nov 94 21:33:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27842; Sun, 13 Nov 94 21:33:53 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r6tmC-00000LC; Sun, 13 Nov 94 21:16 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: allard@goofy.zdv.uni-mainz.de Subject: Re: Does anybody actually use Procmail? Date: Sat, 12 Nov 1994 19:55:00 +0100 Message-Id: <2ec5f25a41f9a40@goofy.zdv.uni-mainz.de> References: Ed Greshko (egreshko@hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com) wrote: > I'll send these to you under seperate cover....don't want to >bore the list with my overly simplistic .procmailrc.... > could you please send this to me, too? Dirk -- GM of United 3 (Fussball-Manager-PBeM). WWW: http://www.uni-mainz.de/~allard/home.html e-mail: allard@goofy.zdv.uni-mainz.de Mausnet: Dirk Allard@WI2 (no Mail > 16kB) -- e-mail : allard@mogli.zdv.uni-mainz.de maus : Dirk_Allard@WI2.maus.de (keine Mails > 16kB) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 13 22:07:36 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17120; Sun, 13 Nov 94 22:07:36 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28170; Sun, 13 Nov 94 22:01:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28164; Sun, 13 Nov 94 22:01:23 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r6uBu-00000VC; Sun, 13 Nov 94 21:42 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: fxars@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu Subject: PMDF Signiture file Date: 14 Nov 1994 06:18:00 GMT Message-Id: We're running PMDF 4.3 on OpenVMS V5.5-2, and the PINE that comes with it. Since many of our users are migrating over to it I'm having to become familiar with it. Anyway, I've been trying to get it to include a signiture file and it's not working. I have placed the following entry in my PINE.PINERC file: signature-file=SYS$LOGIN:PINE.SIGNITURE but it's not being included in my mail (sent to myself). Are there any known problems with it? === Al From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 13 22:15:31 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17287; Sun, 13 Nov 94 22:15:31 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24186; Sun, 13 Nov 94 22:01:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24180; Sun, 13 Nov 94 22:01:07 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r6u4j-00000LC; Sun, 13 Nov 94 21:35 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: malcor@class.class.org (Dan Malcor-LA Times) Subject: Sort by "To:" Date: 14 Nov 1994 05:24:53 GMT Message-Id: <3a6sb5$8uk@news.cerf.net> I was just looking thru my "sent-mail" folder, and I wanted to sort by the name of the person the mail was sent to. Pine is kind enough to display the most useful information (To: name@host), but I'd really like to sort by that info as well. -- ====================================================================== Dan Malcor | Los Angeles Times - Editorial Systems Internet: malcor@class.org | Systems Analyst / Programmer From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 13 23:41:52 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18769; Sun, 13 Nov 94 23:41:52 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25276; Sun, 13 Nov 94 23:34:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25270; Sun, 13 Nov 94 23:34:41 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r6vaP-00000LC; Sun, 13 Nov 94 23:12 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Laurence Lundblade Subject: Re: Does anybody actually use Procmail? Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 01:08:03 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: References: <39qusf$1l4@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <39qusf$1l4@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> Most of the examples for elm will work just fine if you change the path for the mail folders from "Mail" to "mail" where Pine stores its mail. i Laurence Lundblade LGL@CSGrad.CS.VT.EDU (and a few other addresses) http://oneworld.wa.com/laurence/home.html Virginia Tech CS -- Blacksburg, Virginia, US -- 703-552-2537 On 9 Nov 1994, michael vanderploeg wrote: > Does anybody have success with procmail? I compiled it, but have no idea > how to run my incoming mail thru it. It shows examples for mh and such, > but it doesn't say anything about pine. > > Thanks! > > Mike > > p.s. A .forward file and .procmailrc file would be great! > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 14 01:47:18 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21845; Mon, 14 Nov 94 01:47:18 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01166; Mon, 14 Nov 94 01:41:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01154; Mon, 14 Nov 94 01:41:29 -0800 Received: by pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA29538; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 11:44:33 +0200 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 11:44:32 +0200 (WET) From: Aaron Sittner To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: FLASHING NUISANCE Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Can anyone reading these lines help me get rid of a rapidly flashing flip-flop nudnik? I use Pine 3.91 from home, through my modem. The trouble begins when I highlight a message in my INBOX which I wish to print, press "Y" and answer "Yes" to Pine's question ("Print to Ansi Printer?") The printing commences--but so does an annoying, rapidly flashing error message at the bottom of the screen, which I cannot stop! Sometimes, this nuisance continues unabated for so long, that I must disconnect my modem and go offline because my Pine screen actually freezes. The flashing error message reads: "EXON/EXOFF CHAR RECEIVED SEE PRESERVE START-STOP FEATURE IN SETUP/CONFIG". Well, I went to "Setup/Config" from the Main Menu and located this particular item. I tried both options: first an "X" for On and then an "X" for off, rebooting in between. But, nothing changed. The flashing message starts and just keeps going every time I press "Y" for print. As for my printer setup, I use the first of the three options: "Printer attached to IBM PC...known to work with Kermit...." This seems the most suitable for me, since my computer is an IBM compatible PC, and I use Kermit when attaching to Pine. Can anybody help me on this problem? Is my printer setup the culprit? Has anyone else experienced this problem? Thanks, Aaron From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 14 01:56:44 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22031; Mon, 14 Nov 94 01:56:44 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27146; Mon, 14 Nov 94 01:50:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27140; Mon, 14 Nov 94 01:50:52 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r6xmZ-000006C; Mon, 14 Nov 94 01:33 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: eks@vki68.aar-vki.dk (Eigil Krogh Sorensen) Subject: Re: How to force pine-3.91 to see that new mail has arrived? Date: 8 Nov 1994 16:20:58 GMT Message-Id: <39o8ha$56v@belfort.daimi.aau.dk> References: <39jjmd$n0h@cherub.sewanee.edu> Thus spake matt@exeter.sewanee.edu (Matt Laney): >Steven W Orr (steveo@world.std.com) rambled: >: I have a biff that shows that new mail has arrived, but while I'm in >: pine, pine doesn't know it cause 2.5 minutes have not yet elapsed. >: Result is that I end up having to get out and back into pine to force >: the new mail to be seen. Any keystroke to make it happen on the fly? >Try ^l. I use x (expunge). Besides removing the mails marked "D" it also lokks for new arrived mails. It always work, even if there are no mail at all to delete. -- Eigil From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 14 05:06:27 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26829; Mon, 14 Nov 94 05:06:27 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29616; Mon, 14 Nov 94 04:57:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rea.ifctr.mi.cnr.it by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29610; Mon, 14 Nov 94 04:57:39 -0800 Received: by rea.ifctr.mi.cnr.it (4.1/1.34) id AA18070; Mon, 14 Nov 94 14:04:46 +0100 Organization: Istituto di Fisica Cosmica e Tecnologie Relative Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 14:04:44 +0100 (MET) From: Dario Bottini Subject: Help with PC-pine TimeZone variable To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII We need some help with PC-Pine 3.89, which we have installed on our PCs (with FTP INC. PC-TCP). We are already using Pine 3.89 on Unix and have an impad server on one of the Suns, which we manage to access from the other workstations. Our problems is the setting of the varialbe TZ (Time Zone). In our first installation (some months ago) we set TZ=MET+DST but with this value Pine was not able to read mails because insted of write "MET" in mail headers it wrote "+DS". So we tried the new setting: TZ= MET+DST (with tree blanks) and we have had not more problems. Unfortunately, some days ago, some our users were not again able to read their mails because in their mail headers in place of the string "MET" there were tree blanks. So we had to change TZ value in the original ones: TZ=MET+DST (without blanks). At the moment we have some users that need to use TZ= MET+DST and others that need to use ZT=MET+DST. Do you now something about this? We noted that the users who needed to chance TZ (from " MET+DST" to "MET+DST") had folders very big, about 400-500 Kbyte. Thanks. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- A member of G.ASS : Group for Astronomical Software Support ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dario Bottini - IFCTR/CNR via Bassini 15 - I-20133 Milano Internet: BOTTINIO@IFCTR.MI.CNR.IT Decnet: IFCTR::BOTTINI ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 14 05:25:38 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27331; Mon, 14 Nov 94 05:25:38 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03859; Mon, 14 Nov 94 05:17:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from sunstel.asu.cas.cz by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03853; Mon, 14 Nov 94 05:17:14 -0800 Received: by sunstel.asu.cas.cz (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13664; Mon, 14 Nov 94 14:16:45 +0100 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 14:16:36 +0100 (MET) From: Petr Skoda X-Sender: skoda@sunstel To: pine-info Subject: Suggestions for new Pine versions Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have just several suggestions for pine improvement: 1. Option for invoking sendmail in verbose mode (like mail -v) I know the problems with various MTA, but this should be only for sendmail (in config option like verbose-mode-of-sendmail enable ?) In ^X (send message) would then be (after enabling of this option in config) an query "send in verbose mode" - default NO 2. I read the news through very slow link to remote news server and I noticed that after opening newsgroup the headers of news messages are displayed very slowly one after another. After display of one page is the process again slow. But when I give several SPC (new page) keystrokes in keyboard buffer, all headers are (after while) read into pine -- some header cache I suppose. Then I can free and fast move between all headers ( I have tried more than 800 headers will fit into the cache). So the suggestion is to read all news headers at once (by some special command - like "batch read of news ? /default NO) - the number of messages read could be limited by some config-option. BTW. why is the reading of news headers so slow in opposite of each article, which take seconds for several KB (the amount of transfered text is comparable) ? 3. Some threaded - like option for news would be highly appreciated (I hope not just by me) I understand the sort by ordered subject command, but I mean to hide the Re: to same subject and display only an number of Re: - something like trn I apologize for bothering the pine staff by such silly wishes, but maybe some could be usable for others too. ************************************************************************* * Petr Skoda Tel : (0204) 85201, l. 361 * * Stelarni oddeleni (0204) 857361, 857136 * * Astronomicky ustav AVCR Fax : (02) 881611 * * 251 65 Ondrejov e-mail: skoda@sunstel.asu.cas.cz * * Ceska republika aststel@csearn.bitnet * ************************************************************************* From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 14 05:37:10 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27651; Mon, 14 Nov 94 05:37:10 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04036; Mon, 14 Nov 94 05:28:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mail.crl.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04030; Mon, 14 Nov 94 05:28:42 -0800 Received: from crl5.crl.com by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA06700 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 14 Nov 1994 05:28:08 -0800 Received: by crl5.crl.com id AA12303 (5.65c/IDA-1.5); Mon, 14 Nov 1994 05:27:31 -0800 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 05:27:30 -0800 (PST) From: "David S. Eitelbach" To: Richard Kooijman Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Richard Kooijman wrote: > Dangerous flexibility? How about people-who-don't-bother-to-read are > dangerous? You mean they also always reply with included message AND to > all recipients? Probably the same people who publicly post those very > informing 'Thank you for your reply' on mailing lists. > There are two ways to learn things: inform yourself beforehand, and by > trial-and-error. > I guess those concerned know better now. > Man..... If you could get down off your hind legs for a minute, you might see that the person whose private email was posted was not the person who answered the prompt with a yes--but rather an entirely innocent person. Since you missed it the first time, I'll try again with an example: You are thinking of buying an Acme computer and you post to comp.comp.acme, asking what owners of Acme think. I own an Acme and don't like it at all. Rather than post a reply and get flamed for not liking Acmes, I email you with my impressions from my newsreader. You get the email and read it in Pine. You have some followup questions. In emailing me, you don't read the second prompt and the message is posted to the group as well as mailed. Not my fault, is it? > This sounds like a harsh reply (well, it is) but I just think that Pine > should not be changed for every user that has some problem he/she created > on his/her own. A UI still requires some thought of its user, we haven't > any UI's connected directly to our brains yet. I wish you had shown us all by example, in reading my first message, how "some thought" can prevent us from going off on the wrong tack. I don't think Pine should be regarded as something brought down from the Mount on stone tablets--at least not in its present form. It's just silly to blame poor software design on "lazy" users. David S. Eitelbach dseitel@crl.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 14 05:49:54 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27908; Mon, 14 Nov 94 05:49:54 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04264; Mon, 14 Nov 94 05:41:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from orzan.fi.udc.es by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04258; Mon, 14 Nov 94 05:41:49 -0800 Received: from orzan (mailhost) by fi.udc.es (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA00350; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 14:42:50 --100 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 14:42:49 +0100 (MET) From: Benito Mourelo X-Sender: benito@orzan To: Pine-Info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 20 subscribe pine-info From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 14 07:08:26 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29456; Mon, 14 Nov 94 07:08:26 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05246; Mon, 14 Nov 94 06:52:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05240; Mon, 14 Nov 94 06:52:11 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r72U8-000006C; Mon, 14 Nov 94 06:34 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dseitel@crl.com (David S. Eitelbach) Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? Date: 14 Nov 1994 05:24:36 -0800 Message-Id: <3a7oek$bv4@crl5.crl.com> References: <3a10pb$mq1@crl.crl.com> Richard Kooijman wrote: > Dangerous flexibility? How about people-who-don't-bother-to-read are > dangerous? You mean they also always reply with included message AND to > all recipients? Probably the same people who publicly post those very > informing 'Thank you for your reply' on mailing lists. > There are two ways to learn things: inform yourself beforehand, and by > trial-and-error. > I guess those concerned know better now. > Man..... If you could get down off your hind legs for a minute, you might see that the person whose private email was posted was not the person who answered the prompt with a yes--but rather an entirely innocent person. Since you missed it the first time, I'll try again with an example: You are thinking of buying an Acme computer and you post to comp.comp.acme, asking what owners of Acme think. I own an Acme and don't like it at all. Rather than post a reply and get flamed for not liking Acmes, I email you with my impressions from my newsreader. You get the email and read it in Pine. You have some followup questions. In emailing me, you don't read the second prompt and the message is posted to the group as well as mailed. Not my fault, is it? > This sounds like a harsh reply (well, it is) but I just think that Pine > should not be changed for every user that has some problem he/she created > on his/her own. A UI still requires some thought of its user, we haven't > any UI's connected directly to our brains yet. I wish you had shown us all by example, in reading my first message, how "some thought" can prevent us from going off on the wrong tack. I don't think Pine should be regarded as something brought down from the Mount on stone tablets--at least not in its present form. It's just silly to blame poor software design on "lazy" users. David S. Eitelbach dseitel@crl.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 14 08:12:51 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01348; Mon, 14 Nov 94 08:12:51 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02522; Mon, 14 Nov 94 08:05:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02516; Mon, 14 Nov 94 08:05:08 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r73RI-000006C; Mon, 14 Nov 94 07:35 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: huette@mec.fh-muenchen.de (Jens Huettemann) Subject: Index of Pine Folders ? Date: 14 Nov 1994 14:03:08 GMT Message-Id: <3a7qms$nd0@sunserver.lrz-muenchen.de> Hi, I'm looking for a Bourne or Awk Script which lists the entries of folders created with Pine in the following manner: Folder_name_1: 1) "Subject" "Date" 2) . . 3) . . Folder_name_2: 1) "Subject" "Date" 2) . . 3) . . Any ideas? Thanks a lot Bye -- Jens Huettemann E-Mail: huette@mec.fh-muenchen.de From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 14 09:45:14 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05784; Mon, 14 Nov 94 09:45:14 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08620; Mon, 14 Nov 94 09:35:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08612; Mon, 14 Nov 94 09:35:12 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r74y3-000006C; Mon, 14 Nov 94 09:13 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Subject: Re: IMAP x NFS in Unix Date: 14 Nov 1994 10:23:12 -0600 Message-Id: <3a82tg$ad4@Mercury.mcs.com> References: In article , Mark Crispin wrote: >1) IMAP is almost always better over low-speed links, such as SLIP, because > of its fetch-on-demand nature. I'll go out on a limb here, and say that > based on my experience NFS is not viable unless you have a high-speed > interconnect. > >2) NFS is probably better for users whose model of mail is to read all > of it and delete it from the server; *provided* that the client has > adequate memory to hold the data and avoid repeated NFS retrievals of > the same data. So, is there any hope of being able to take advantage of whichever situation you are in? Could an IMAP server that had a high-speed connection to your $HOME directory (perhaps on the same machine) manipulate the transfer directly between your inbox and other folders under your $HOME when you are connected remotely via a low speed link (i.e don't traverse the user's link for this)? Then you could access them directly when you are connected locally or via NFS over a high speed link. What about the same concept for manipulating a user's .newsrc in a single location for people who bounce between connections/machines reading sometimes via nntp and sometimes logged into the news host? Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 14 09:47:20 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05895; Mon, 14 Nov 94 09:47:20 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04987; Mon, 14 Nov 94 09:41:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04981; Mon, 14 Nov 94 09:41:41 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r757E-00000OC; Mon, 14 Nov 94 09:22 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: wacker@kant.Physik.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Klaus Wacker) Subject: signature Date: 14 Nov 1994 16:29:12 GMT Message-Id: <3a838o$58k@nx2.hrz.uni-dortmund.de> Both elm and tin add a line containing two dashes in front of the signature. Pine doesn't. Why not? Isn't this some kind of standard? -- | / | | | | | wacker@Physik.Uni-Dortmund.DE | / | _ __ | | | _ _ | _ _ Klaus Wacker, Exp.Physik V |/\ | _\ | | (_ | | | _\ / |_) /_) | Uni Dortmund | \_|_(_|_|_|___) |_|_|_(_|_\__| \_/\___| D-44221 Dortmund +49 (231) 755 3587 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 14 12:44:47 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13602; Mon, 14 Nov 94 12:44:47 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09396; Mon, 14 Nov 94 12:36:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rgti.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09386; Mon, 14 Nov 94 12:36:49 -0800 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 15:01:40 -0500 (EST) From: Ami! To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <941114150140.2020081c@RGTI.COM> Subject: Is it JUST me, or... Is it JUST me or does PINE 3.91 seem to run noticably slower since 3.89 (our last version)? I've compile it using pretty much all the defaults, if not all of them. I'm running it on an RS6000 w/ AIX. Anyone? -Ami (Ami@rgti.com) (no .signature yet) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 14 13:16:00 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15301; Mon, 14 Nov 94 13:16:00 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14201; Mon, 14 Nov 94 13:06:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14193; Mon, 14 Nov 94 13:06:03 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r78JL-000006C; Mon, 14 Nov 94 12:47 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ta2321s@dunix.drake.edu (Terry Asher) Subject: Not getting News from remote Date: 14 Nov 1994 11:08:31 -0600 Message-Id: <3a85if$bs1@dunix.drake.edu> I have pine 3.91 and INN 1.4. I have 2 machines - read 2 different IP numbers. I have on the 1st machine - my news server in my nnrp.access file permissions for the 2nd machine to read news via nntp. When I get into pine on the 2nd machine and run config and get to the point where I see this: [ Select Here to See Expanded List ] and I press return, I get no list of newsgroups but just the above message again. I have added the nntp-server value before I did the above. Anybody with any ideas about this? By the way, I am running Ultrix 4.2A on a Decstation 5000/133. Do I need the remote site on my news server declared in the /etc/hosts.equiv file? Thanks to all who respond. Terry Asher -- ******************************************************************************* * UNIX Administrator | Yours through INTERNET, * * Dial Center for Computer Sciences | Terry Asher * * Academic Computing Services | UNIX-INTERNET * * Drake University | * * 2407 Carpenter |For the listener who listens in the snow* * Des Moines, Iowa 50311 USA |and nothing himself, beholds the nothing* * (515) 271-3677 |that is not there and that is there. * ******************************************************************************* From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 14 13:54:08 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17226; Mon, 14 Nov 94 13:54:08 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10983; Mon, 14 Nov 94 13:38:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mokuahi.soest.hawaii.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10976; Mon, 14 Nov 94 13:38:35 -0800 Received: (from julie@localhost) by mokuahi.soest.hawaii.edu (8.6.7/8.6.6) id LAA19172 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 11:40:29 -1000 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 11:40:29 -1000 From: Julie Jirikowic Message-Id: <199411142140.LAA19172@mokuahi.soest.hawaii.edu> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Content-Length: 28 unsubscribe Julie Jirikowic From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 14 14:42:30 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19788; Mon, 14 Nov 94 14:42:30 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12276; Mon, 14 Nov 94 14:31:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12257; Mon, 14 Nov 94 14:31:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r79YJ-000006C; Mon, 14 Nov 94 14:07 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Finn Hybjerg Hansen Subject: Pine 3.92 ?? Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 09:02:30 +0100 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII When will pine version 3.92 be available ?? Regards from Finn in Denmark ----------------------------------- --------------------------------------- Name : Finn Hybjerg Hansen | Aalborg University Email : fhh@kom.auc.dk | Institute of Electronic Systems Phone : +45 98 15 85 22 | Department of Communication Technology Direct: +45 98 15 42 11 - 4807 | Fredrik Bajers Vej 7A (Room A1-203) Fax : +45 98 15 67 40 | 9000 Aalborg ,,, WWW : http://www-i8.auc.dk/~fhh/ | DENMARK (o o) ----------------------------------- ------------------------oOO-(_)-OOo---- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 14 14:56:29 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20548; Mon, 14 Nov 94 14:56:29 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12747; Mon, 14 Nov 94 14:47:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12741; Mon, 14 Nov 94 14:47:33 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r79vE-00000CC; Mon, 14 Nov 94 14:30 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu (J. Kelly Cunningham) Subject: Re: PINE and PGP ? Message-Id: <1994Nov14.135636.315@titan.sfasu.edu> Date: 14 Nov 94 13:56:35 CST References: <3a2eap$dud@osiris.wu-wien.ac.at> In article <3a2eap$dud@osiris.wu-wien.ac.at>, Thomas Netousek wrote: >What is the best way to send and receive pgp encrypted messages with >pine-3.91 ? > > >Thomas Netousek Why, mkpgp of course! @;o) -- kc finger deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu | pgp -fka +force finger slutsky@lipschitz.sfasu.edu | pgp -f > mkpgp.txt.uu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 14 16:40:41 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26407; Mon, 14 Nov 94 16:40:41 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15380; Mon, 14 Nov 94 16:21:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15374; Mon, 14 Nov 94 16:21:37 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r7BNe-00000CC; Mon, 14 Nov 94 16:04 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Brad Subject: Re: signature Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 19:54:14 +0000 Message-Id: References: <3a838o$58k@nx2.hrz.uni-dortmund.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3a838o$58k@nx2.hrz.uni-dortmund.de> It may be the standard, but who wants a couple of dashes before their signature? :) If you want them, then just add "-- " to the top of your .signature file! On 14 Nov 1994, Klaus Wacker wrote: > Both elm and tin add a line containing two dashes in front of the > signature. Pine doesn't. Why not? Isn't this some kind of standard? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 14 16:52:48 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26964; Mon, 14 Nov 94 16:52:48 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19394; Mon, 14 Nov 94 16:37:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19388; Mon, 14 Nov 94 16:37:23 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Tue, 15 Nov 94 08:34:03 -0800 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 08:34:02 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Klaus Wacker Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: signature In-Reply-To: <3a838o$58k@nx2.hrz.uni-dortmund.de> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 14 Nov 1994, Klaus Wacker wrote: > Both elm and tin add a line containing two dashes in front of the > signature. Pine doesn't. Why not? Isn't this some kind of standard? There is no such standard. If you'd like, add the dashes to your signature file. Ed From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 14 16:53:20 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27002; Mon, 14 Nov 94 16:53:20 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15782; Mon, 14 Nov 94 16:37:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from vnet.ibm.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15776; Mon, 14 Nov 94 16:37:47 -0800 Received: from RTP by VNET.IBM.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5803; Mon, 14 Nov 94 19:37:07 EST Received: by RTP (XAGENTA 3.0) id 0755; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 19:37:14 -0500 Received: by axis.raleigh.ibm.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA16484; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 19:38:13 -0500 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 19:38:12 -0500 (EST) From: "Sean Allen" To: Ami! Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Is it JUST me, or... In-Reply-To: <941114150140.2020081c@RGTI.COM> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Not just you... I think it may have something to do with the way Pine is displaying the messages now. There seems to be a longer delay. Dunno. On Mon, 14 Nov 1994, Ami! wrote: > > Is it JUST me or does PINE 3.91 seem to run noticably slower > since 3.89 (our last version)? > I've compile it using pretty much all the defaults, if not all of them. > > I'm running it on an RS6000 w/ AIX. > > Anyone? > > -Ami (Ami@rgti.com) > > (no .signature yet) > > Sean Allen AIX/Database Administration (919)543-6021 Fax 7996 IBM Personal Computer Company Internal Zip: D318/B205 Research Triangle Park, NC 27709 #include Internet: allensd@vnet.ibm.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 14 18:32:13 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01181; Mon, 14 Nov 94 18:32:13 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21522; Mon, 14 Nov 94 18:17:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21516; Mon, 14 Nov 94 18:17:22 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r7D5N-000006C; Mon, 14 Nov 94 17:53 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ldhority@ouray.Denver.Colorado.EDU (LOUIS DHORITY) Subject: Where is the Pine FAQ? Date: 14 Nov 1994 21:20:34 GMT Message-Id: <3a8kb2$in6@carbon.denver.colorado.edu> Where is the pine FAQ located (archived) at? If it's not archived somewhere could someone please post it? Louis Dhority University of Colorado From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 14 19:29:52 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02778; Mon, 14 Nov 94 19:29:52 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22469; Mon, 14 Nov 94 19:15:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22463; Mon, 14 Nov 94 19:15:07 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Tue, 15 Nov 94 11:11:40 -0800 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 11:11:39 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: LOUIS DHORITY Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Where is the Pine FAQ? In-Reply-To: <3a8kb2$in6@carbon.denver.colorado.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 14 Nov 1994, LOUIS DHORITY wrote: > Where is the pine FAQ located (archived) at? If it's not archived somewhere > could someone please post it? ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/docs/faq http://www.cac.washington.edu/pine Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 14 19:41:32 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03277; Mon, 14 Nov 94 19:41:32 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19192; Mon, 14 Nov 94 19:24:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19186; Mon, 14 Nov 94 19:24:53 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r7EEF-00000CC; Mon, 14 Nov 94 19:06 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mparson@mercury.utb.edu (Michael Parson) Subject: pine for VMS Date: 14 Nov 1994 23:07:59 GMT Message-Id: <3a8qkf$5es@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> I just ftp-ed and installed PINE for VMS from tango.cchs.su.edu.au [.vms.pine] The biggest reason I wanted to get PINE was for the MIME implementation. Well, it can receive and decode MIME fine, but will not allow for outgoing attatchments....ie: i cannot originate a MIME encoded mail. :/ Does anyone know if this particular version of PINE has been further developed? Or am I going to have to go with the commercial version? Thank you, -- Michael Parson University of Texas at Brownsville Internet Research Academic Computing Email: mparson@utb.edu Phone: 210-982-0280 IRC: Roloc Using Commodores since 1984 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 14 20:41:54 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04794; Mon, 14 Nov 94 20:41:54 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23753; Mon, 14 Nov 94 20:37:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23747; Mon, 14 Nov 94 20:37:31 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r7FOd-00000LC; Mon, 14 Nov 94 20:21 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hardie@rahul.net (Ted Hardie) Subject: Bug producing multiple pines? Date: 15 Nov 1994 00:24:02 GMT Message-Id: <3a8v32$pe9@news.arc.nasa.gov> We recently had a situation in which a user of pine got blown out of a composition buffer; he saw but did not capture a bug number/message and then did a ps, which showed 4 spare copies of pine running. Eventually the box he was on hung because there was not available memory to fork new processes (this is on a Sparc running 4.1.3). Has anyone seen anything like this before, or is there a known workaround for this problem. My thanks for any help you can give, Ted Hardie From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 14 21:26:51 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06117; Mon, 14 Nov 94 21:26:51 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21141; Mon, 14 Nov 94 21:22:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21135; Mon, 14 Nov 94 21:22:22 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r7Fzt-00000LC; Mon, 14 Nov 94 21:00 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Bruce Berryhill Subject: Re: Redirect incoming mail In-Reply-To: <9411140027.AA15034@efn.efn.org> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: References: <9411140027.AA15034@efn.efn.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 23:23:35 GMT You need a file named .forward in your home directory that looks something like this: |/usr/local/bin/filter -q And a file named .elm/filter-rules with rules like this: if (from fire-l@artopro.mlnet.com) then save ~/Mail/fire if (from rre-request@weber.ucsd.edu) then save ~/Mail/rre The man pages for filter have some info in them and refer you to the Elm docs. -bruceb From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 14 21:57:14 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06812; Mon, 14 Nov 94 21:57:14 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24862; Mon, 14 Nov 94 21:52:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24856; Mon, 14 Nov 94 21:52:35 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r7GZ1-000006C; Mon, 14 Nov 94 21:36 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Pine 3.92 ?? Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 17:10:36 -0800 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: We have no schedule for Pine 3.92 at this time and do not see any pressing bugs that would cause us to push for an early release. We plan to take our time and do some much needed performance tuning for 3.92... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Mon, 14 Nov 1994, Finn Hybjerg Hansen wrote: > Date: Mon, 14 NOV 1994 09:02:30 +0100 > From: Finn Hybjerg Hansen > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Pine 3.92 ?? > > > When will pine version 3.92 be available ?? > > Regards from Finn in Denmark > ----------------------------------- --------------------------------------- > Name : Finn Hybjerg Hansen | Aalborg University > Email : fhh@kom.auc.dk | Institute of Electronic Systems > Phone : +45 98 15 85 22 | Department of Communication Technology > Direct: +45 98 15 42 11 - 4807 | Fredrik Bajers Vej 7A (Room A1-203) > Fax : +45 98 15 67 40 | 9000 Aalborg ,,, > WWW : http://www-i8.auc.dk/~fhh/ | DENMARK (o o) > ----------------------------------- ------------------------oOO-(_)-OOo---- > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 14 23:09:17 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08499; Mon, 14 Nov 94 23:09:17 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22442; Mon, 14 Nov 94 22:57:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22436; Mon, 14 Nov 94 22:57:46 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r7HWg-00000OC; Mon, 14 Nov 94 22:37 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jeremyps@eskimo.com (Jeremy Schertzinger) Subject: Re: signature Message-Id: References: <3a838o$58k@nx2.hrz.uni-dortmund.de> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 00:17:33 GMT In article , Brad wrote: > It may be the standard, but who wants a couple of dashes before >their signature? :) If you want them, then just add "-- " to the top of >your .signature file! Why not just edit your .pinerc file and select a new one for the signature. Then copy your .signature file to the new file and add a "--" to the top? -- Jeremy Schertzinger jeremyps@eskimo.com -- jeremys@scn.org http://www.eskimo.com/~jeremyps From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 14 23:18:19 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08716; Mon, 14 Nov 94 23:18:19 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25986; Mon, 14 Nov 94 23:13:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25980; Mon, 14 Nov 94 23:13:32 -0800 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26986; Mon, 14 Nov 94 23:13:29 -0800 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 23:13:29 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Hubert To: jlfitz@cais2.cais.com Cc: Pine Mailing List Subject: Re: Addressbook Nicknames Needed? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 5 Nov 1994 jlfitz@cais2.cais.com wrote: > Is it necessary to use the nickname fields when entering data in > the PINE address book? It gets real annoying trying to think of a > nickname for every litte entry... > > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Jeffrey L. Fitzgerald > jlfitz@cais.com > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This makes sense. The next version of Pine will allow empty nickname fields and fullname fields to be entered and will allow them to be used for composing from the addrbook screen or with ^T in the composer. Thanks for the suggestion. Steve Hubert Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 14 23:48:03 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09310; Mon, 14 Nov 94 23:48:03 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26312; Mon, 14 Nov 94 23:39:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26306; Mon, 14 Nov 94 23:39:22 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r7I7m-00000LC; Mon, 14 Nov 94 23:16 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cm@tulpi.interconnect.com.au (Charles Meo) Subject: Abort trap (core dumped) Date: 15 Nov 1994 18:09:36 +1100 Message-Id: <3a9mrg$rkf@tulpi.interconnect.com.au> One of our users is getting the following message every time he exits pine (3.90, BSDI 1.1): Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal". Exiting pine. Abort trap (core dumped) The interesting part is, when I move his mail drop to a folder, e.g. 'mail-file', and invoke pine as pine -f mail-file, this error does not occur. Does anyone know what is going on here? The stack trace is: bash$ gdb /usr/local/bin/pine core.pine Core was generated by `pine'. #0 0xda55d in kill (0xefbfd1d8, 0x0007a31e, 0xefbfd1e4, 0x0008a591) (gdb) where #0 0xda55d in kill (0xefbfd1d8, 0x0007a31e, 0xefbfd1e4, 0x0008a591) #1 0xdf05f in abort (0xefbfd1d8, 0x0007a31e, 0xefbfd1e4, 0x0008a591) #2 0x922b0 in coredump () at os.c:681 #3 0x7a31e in panic (message=0x8a531 "Received abort signal") at pine.c:2365 #4 0x8a591 in auger_in_signal () at signals.c:185 #5 0xefbfdfde in ffp (0x0005d242, 0x000ad83f, 0x0000001b, 0x0011d000) #6 0xad91f in bezerk_search (stream=0x11d000, criteria=0x5d242 "SEEN UNDELETED") at bezerk.c:721 #7 0xab200 in mail_search (stream=0x11d000, criteria=0x5d242 "SEEN UNDELETED") at mail.c:906 #8 0x79f87 in count_flagged (stream=0x11d000, flags=0x5d242 "SEEN UNDELETED") at pine.c:2220 #9 0x5d498 in expunge_and_close (stream=0x11d000, folder=0x107090 "inbox") at mailcmd.c:3013 #10 0x79053 in quit_screen (pine_state=0x107000) at pine.c:1908 #11 0x762b1 in main (argc=1, argv=0xefbfddac) at pine.c:682 (gdb) -- Charles Meo | InterConnect Australia Pty. Ltd. Melbourne, Australia | Australia wide Internet Access. | Telnet FTP Talk Email News and more. cm@interconnect.com.au | Voice: 03 528 2239 Email:info@interconnect.com.au From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 15 00:32:09 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10096; Tue, 15 Nov 94 00:32:09 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23563; Tue, 15 Nov 94 00:25:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23557; Tue, 15 Nov 94 00:25:17 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r7IpZ-00000CC; Tue, 15 Nov 94 00:01 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: chermesh@techunix.technion.ac.il (Chermesh Ran) Subject: Keeping Multiple News Folders Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 07:29:58 GMT Message-Id: Hi, There's an option I would appreciate to be added to pine, multiple news servers. Quite frequently, specific news groups are located on servers, unavailable on standard campus news databases. If multiple folders, referring to multiple news locations were available, this could have solved the problem. Ran -- Ran Chermesh E - M A I L Behavioral Sciences Dept. =========== Ben-Gurion University Internet: CHERMESH@BGUVM.BGU.AC.IL Beer-Sheva 84105 CHERMESH@BGUMAIL.BGU.AC.IL Israel Bitnet : CHERMESH@BGUVM.BITNET Phone: 972-7-472-057 Fax: 972-7-232-766 URL: gopher://gopher.bgu.ac.il:70/00/Ben/res/hum/beh/CHERMESH%2c%20RAN From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 15 06:21:12 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18481; Tue, 15 Nov 94 06:21:12 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28175; Tue, 15 Nov 94 06:10:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28169; Tue, 15 Nov 94 06:09:59 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r7OHM-00000IC; Tue, 15 Nov 94 05:50 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jagati1@server.uwindsor.ca (Jason Jagatic) Subject: How to change the NAME in Pine? Message-Id: Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 13:38:14 GMT I am currently using Pine 3.89 on a SGI Irix machine. I am just an end user so I have no control over compiling anything, or setting up new programs of any sort (well for the most part anyway...) Now, my question is. In my .tcshrc i have changed my $NAME variable so that it prints out the short form of my name on outgoing mail and such. However, this only works on elm, and not on pine. Pine still uses the standard way that my account was registered under. I just want to now if it is possible to change this in pine and how? I do not have any configuration option available to me in pine directly, so I am confused. Maybe it is something in .pinerc? I dunno. Can some please help? Thanks. Also, one other question. Is it possible to set PICO to use more than 24 screen lines? My display is 48 and it looks really cheesy... Thanks. -- --Jason Jagatic -- "I know that your impressed" :) --jagati1@server.uwindsor.ca-- "I would rather have a bottle in front of me --LCP AIESEC Windsor -- then a frontal labotomy..." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 15 06:37:35 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18809; Tue, 15 Nov 94 06:37:35 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01903; Tue, 15 Nov 94 06:24:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01897; Tue, 15 Nov 94 06:24:34 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r7OSO-00000WC; Tue, 15 Nov 94 06:02 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bc70012@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu (Travis Edward Dawson) Subject: Header Date: 15 Nov 1994 09:50:01 GMT Message-Id: <3aa089$bh0@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu> I used to have a header in ELM the started off each reply with --------------While in a daze So and So typed ------------- Can anyone out there give me a way to reproduce this in pine 3.91 or maybe point me in the right direction, I miss my headers. ========================================================================== The Shadow Reigns ( \\|// ) bc70012@ Supreme ) (o o) ( bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu ------------------------------oOO-(_)-OOo--------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 15 06:46:54 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19016; Tue, 15 Nov 94 06:46:54 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28413; Tue, 15 Nov 94 06:31:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from micronet.wcu.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28407; Tue, 15 Nov 94 06:31:50 -0800 Received: by micronet.wcu.edu (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA19337; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 09:31:16 +0500 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 09:31:15 -0500 (EST) From: Patti Johnson X-Sender: johnson@micronet To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: format of "From " address Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 653 Hello all! Sorry to be so confused but: When I send mail using Pine, it sets my return address incorrectly - it sets it to my login followed by the domain name, rather than the full machine address. That is, what I get is: johnson@wcu.edu. What I WANT is: johnson@micronet.wcu.edu Now, when I use the mailx that came with my Solaris 2.3, mailx translates that beast into: johnson@micronet - I think if it's sending within the same domain (hopefully adding the domain to addresses OUTSIDE of this domain). How do I change how pine sets the from and/or return address? I've looked at the settings but nothing seems to make a difference. pj From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 15 07:13:29 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19716; Tue, 15 Nov 94 07:13:29 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28744; Tue, 15 Nov 94 07:00:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28736; Tue, 15 Nov 94 07:00:21 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r7P4b-00000IC; Tue, 15 Nov 94 06:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Help with PC-pine TimeZone variable Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 21:28:02 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: PC-Pine 3.89 had known problems with timezone handling. Please upgrade to PC-Pine 3.91 I don't understand what TZ=MET+DST is supposed to mean. Shouldn't it be TZ=MET-1DST instead? -- Mark -- On Mon, 14 Nov 1994, Dario Bottini wrote: > > > We need some help with PC-Pine 3.89, which we have installed on our PCs > (with FTP INC. PC-TCP). > We are already using Pine 3.89 on Unix and have an impad server on one of > the Suns, which we manage to access from the other workstations. > Our problems is the setting of the varialbe TZ (Time Zone). > In our first installation (some months ago) we set TZ=MET+DST but with > this value Pine was not able to read mails because insted of write "MET" > in mail headers it wrote "+DS". > So we tried the new setting: TZ= MET+DST (with tree blanks) and we > have had not more problems. Unfortunately, some days ago, some our > users were not again able to read their mails because in their mail headers > in place of the string "MET" there were tree blanks. So we had to change > TZ value in the original ones: TZ=MET+DST (without blanks). > At the moment we have some users that need to use TZ= MET+DST and others > that need to use ZT=MET+DST. > Do you now something about this? > We noted that the users who needed to chance TZ (from " MET+DST" to > "MET+DST") had folders very big, about 400-500 Kbyte. > Thanks. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > A member of G.ASS : Group for Astronomical Software Support > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Dario Bottini - IFCTR/CNR > via Bassini 15 - I-20133 Milano > Internet: BOTTINIO@IFCTR.MI.CNR.IT > Decnet: IFCTR::BOTTINI > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 15 07:35:28 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20193; Tue, 15 Nov 94 07:35:28 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29080; Tue, 15 Nov 94 07:22:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from micronet.wcu.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29074; Tue, 15 Nov 94 07:21:58 -0800 Received: by micronet.wcu.edu (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA21107; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 10:21:24 +0500 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 10:21:23 -0500 (EST) From: Patti Johnson X-Sender: johnson@micronet To: Pine mailing list Subject: trouble w/ news using nntp server Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 447 Just wondering - I've followed directions on how to read news of another machine. But, after setting the nntp server in my own config, quitting pine, then re-entering, I try to Add folders to my news area in the folder LIST - and get the following error message: 421 SMTP connection went away! I don't have an smtp server set in the config file. Do I need it? I understand that if I don't have it set, the std unix sendmail will be used. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 15 07:54:41 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20803; Tue, 15 Nov 94 07:54:41 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03157; Tue, 15 Nov 94 07:46:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from red1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03151; Tue, 15 Nov 94 07:46:30 -0800 Received: by red1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02985; Tue, 15 Nov 94 07:46:30 -0800 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 07:46:29 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Alexander To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: New Pine Version & Mime Attachments Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am getting the following error when attempting to view a mime attachment through Pine: [VIEWER Result: sh: hd: not found] I do not get this error on normal mail, but mime mail packed by CMU mpack utility gets this whether I manually send it or I let mpack send the mail. The attachment appears to be OK, and can be saved, but I was wondering if this is something wrong with the message format that is easy to fix (in which case I would like to fix it). From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 15 08:25:20 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21979; Tue, 15 Nov 94 08:25:20 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03786; Tue, 15 Nov 94 08:13:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03780; Tue, 15 Nov 94 08:13:49 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r7QDd-00000QC; Tue, 15 Nov 94 07:54 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cbittel@scoraz.resp-sci.arizona.edu (Clinton Bittel) Subject: Can't get PC-pine to find Sun host:( Date: 14 Nov 1994 23:04:01 GMT Message-Id: <3a8qd1$p5g@news.CCIT.Arizona.EDU> I've got the Sun's pc-nfs version of pine3.91 and am trying to get it to access imap on my Sun, but it won't recognize any host name I put into the INBOX-path. Basicly, when I start pc-pine up says that its opening my inbox folder..and then a couple of seconds later it states that host is not found. Does anybody know what I'm doing wrong? -- |-Clinton Bittel------------|-"My name is Inigo Montoya,--------------------| | University Medical Center | you killed my father, prepare to die." | | Tucson, AZ | -The Princess Bride | |---------------------------|-----------------------------------------------| From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 15 09:05:12 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24387; Tue, 15 Nov 94 09:05:12 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01253; Tue, 15 Nov 94 08:55:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01247; Tue, 15 Nov 94 08:55:10 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r7QrX-00000IC; Tue, 15 Nov 94 08:36 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: chermesh@techunix.technion.ac.il (Chermesh Ran) Subject: Multiple news sites on pcpine Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 12:46:59 GMT Message-Id: Hi, I'm not sure this option is available in pine (ver. 3.91), but if it does exist, please tell me how. I would like to be able to keep more than one news server. On the one hand, there's our local server, which holds most usersgroups. On the other hand, there're specialized groups, which are available on foreign servers. Is there a way to keep both worlds on my pine? Ran -- Ran Chermesh E - M A I L Behavioral Sciences Dept. =========== Ben-Gurion University Internet: CHERMESH@BGUVM.BGU.AC.IL Beer-Sheva 84105 CHERMESH@BGUMAIL.BGU.AC.IL Israel Bitnet : CHERMESH@BGUVM.BITNET Phone: 972-7-472-057 Fax: 972-7-232-766 URL: gopher://gopher.bgu.ac.il:70/00/Ben/res/hum/beh/CHERMESH%2c%20RAN From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 15 11:16:03 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02203; Tue, 15 Nov 94 11:16:03 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04718; Tue, 15 Nov 94 10:58:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04712; Tue, 15 Nov 94 10:58:23 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05188; Tue, 15 Nov 94 10:58:22 -0800 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 10:58:20 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Hubert To: Bruce Alexander Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: New Pine Version & Mime Attachments In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This probably means you have an /etc/mailcap file which defines an entry which uses the "hd" command, but your systems doesn't have hd installed. Steve Hubert Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle On Tue, 15 Nov 1994, Bruce Alexander wrote: > > I am getting the following error when attempting to view a mime > attachment through Pine: > > [VIEWER Result: sh: hd: not found] > > I do not get this error on normal mail, but mime mail packed by CMU mpack > utility gets this whether I manually send it or I let mpack send the mail. > > The attachment appears to be OK, and can be saved, but I was wondering if > this is something wrong with the message format that is easy to fix (in > which case I would like to fix it). > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 15 11:50:14 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03906; Tue, 15 Nov 94 11:50:14 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08751; Tue, 15 Nov 94 11:22:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from red1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08745; Tue, 15 Nov 94 11:22:28 -0800 Received: by red1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10522; Tue, 15 Nov 94 11:22:27 -0800 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 11:22:26 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Alexander To: Steve Hubert Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: New Pine Version & Mime Attachments In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is there a simple way to correct this? On Tue, 15 Nov 1994, Steve Hubert wrote: > This probably means you have an /etc/mailcap file which defines an entry > which uses the "hd" command, but your systems doesn't have hd installed. > > Steve Hubert > Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle > > On Tue, 15 Nov 1994, Bruce Alexander wrote: > > > > > I am getting the following error when attempting to view a mime > > attachment through Pine: > > > > [VIEWER Result: sh: hd: not found] > > > > I do not get this error on normal mail, but mime mail packed by CMU mpack > > utility gets this whether I manually send it or I let mpack send the mail. > > > > The attachment appears to be OK, and can be saved, but I was wondering if > > this is something wrong with the message format that is easy to fix (in > > which case I would like to fix it). > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 15 12:16:03 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05645; Tue, 15 Nov 94 12:16:03 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06503; Tue, 15 Nov 94 12:10:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06497; Tue, 15 Nov 94 12:10:02 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r7TvR-00000VC; Tue, 15 Nov 94 11:52 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hlimong@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu (Heidi Jill Limongi) Subject: Volunteers Wanted... Date: 15 Nov 1994 19:19:24 GMT Message-Id: <3ab1js$7d2@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> Do you have an hour a week to spare? If so, COMPEER ATLANTA can use you! COMPEER ATLANTA locates volunteers from the community to be a friend to a person in need of companionship. Volunteers meet regularly with their friends at mutually convenient times to share activities such as movies, sports, shopping, nature walks, a coffee break ... The possibilities are endless! COMPEER ATLANTA VOLUNTEERS are sensitive, caring individuals, from all walks of life, all races, all religious backgrounds, and from both urban and suburban neighborhoods. Volunteers are asked to commit one hour per week for one year. COMPEER ATLANTA provides training and ongoing support to volunteers. The friendship relationship provides the client with role modeling, companionship, and social opportunities that they may not be able to get otherwise. COMPEER ATLANTA currently has 200 adults waiting to be matched with a volunteer. People who have mental illness, are developmentally disabled, are elderly, or are at risk of becoming homeless need positive support to combat loneliness and isolation. Volunteers have a unique opportunity to change someone's life, and in the process, enrich their own lives. IF YOU CARE, YOU HAVE WHAT IT TAKES TO BE A VOLUNTEER FOR COMPEER ATLANTA. IF YOU HAVE AN HOUR A WEEK TO SPARE, CALL COMPEER ATLANTA: 894-8667. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 15 12:18:19 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05865; Tue, 15 Nov 94 12:18:19 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09615; Tue, 15 Nov 94 12:03:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09609; Tue, 15 Nov 94 12:03:11 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r7Tmf-00000IC; Tue, 15 Nov 94 11:43 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: kurgpold@mizar.usc.edu (Elmar Kurgpold) Subject: Re: Pine 3.92 ?? Date: 15 Nov 1994 09:43:12 -0800 Message-Id: <3aarvg$g12@mizar.usc.edu> References: In article David L Miller writes: > >We have no schedule for Pine 3.92 at this time and do not see any pressing >bugs that would cause us to push for an early release. We plan to take our >time and do some much needed performance tuning for 3.92... Will the next release of the Windows version coincide with this as yet unscheduled release of Pine 3.92? I'm very curious as to how the work is going on this program. ==Elmar ,-,,-, __ ------------------------------------- ______/ /_,' | | Elmar Kurgpold | \________________/ | University of Southern California | |\) (/ | | The Law Center | ( | oo | "My mind has wandered | kurgpold@usc.edu | ) `| |--' from the flock, you see | (213)740-2545 FAX: (213)740-5502 | (___^^^^| And the flock has ------------------------------------- (____' wandered away from me" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 15 12:51:18 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07486; Tue, 15 Nov 94 12:51:18 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10595; Tue, 15 Nov 94 12:42:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10589; Tue, 15 Nov 94 12:42:55 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r7UJn-00000QC; Tue, 15 Nov 94 12:17 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hlimong@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu (Heidi Jill Limongi) Subject: Volunteers Wanted... Date: 15 Nov 1994 19:40:45 GMT Message-Id: <3ab2rt$dak@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> Please disregard previous posting - it was posted in error. Thanks. Heidi Limongi From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 15 13:20:09 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09213; Tue, 15 Nov 94 13:20:09 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08050; Tue, 15 Nov 94 13:10:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08044; Tue, 15 Nov 94 13:10:56 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r7UsK-00000VC; Tue, 15 Nov 94 12:53 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: thang@donald.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Thang M Nguyen) Subject: [HELP] Compiling pine3.91 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 21:43:22 GMT I tried to compile pine3.91 on Solaris 5.1 by type 'build sol' and using "CC=/opt/SUNWspro/bin/cc". Pico, Imap, Mtest are working fine except for Pine, I had the following error message: Making Pine. rm -f os.h ln -s osdep/os-sv4.h os.h ./cmplhlp2.sh < pine.hlp > helptext.h /opt/SUNWspro/bin/cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"SOL\" -c addrbook.c "/usr/include/unistd.h", line 171: identifier redeclared: rename "addrbook.c", line 3954: cannot recover from previous errors cc: acomp failed for addrbook.c *** Error code 1 make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `addrbook.o' Links to executables are in bin directory: size: bin/pine: cannot open bin/mtest: 410424 + 26048 + 1896 = 438368 bin/imapd: 433012 + 28068 + 9076 = 470156 bin/pico: 121280 + 24528 + 7244 = 153052 Done Is it because of our system or something wrong with the codes in the pine program. Thank you in advace. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 15 14:24:37 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11788; Tue, 15 Nov 94 14:24:37 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12744; Tue, 15 Nov 94 14:14:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12738; Tue, 15 Nov 94 14:14:53 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r7Vqz-00000VC; Tue, 15 Nov 94 13:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ccurtis@ee.fit.edu (Christopher W. Curtis) Subject: Disable printing? Message-Id: Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 20:26:46 GMT Is there any way to disable the printing of folder lists? Someone at our site printed a list of all the newsgroups - twice. Now I'm sitting here with about, oh, 350 sheets of paper sitting in my lap and find this to be a bit of a waste of both paper and toner. Also, printing to attached-to-ansi doesn't work at our site. Everything is printed to the screen instead. Has anyone else had this problem? -- T | Christopher Curtis | There are two rules to follow | O E | Sun Lab System Administrator | to ensure success in life: | S A | Florida Institute of Technology | Rule 1: Don't tell people | / M | Melbourne, Florida N|N everything you know. | 2 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 15 15:05:44 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13968; Tue, 15 Nov 94 15:05:44 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10477; Tue, 15 Nov 94 14:59:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10471; Tue, 15 Nov 94 14:59:46 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r7Wbp-00000IC; Tue, 15 Nov 94 14:44 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: andrea@pX1.stfx.ca (John Andrea) Subject: Re: Is it JUST me, or... Date: 15 Nov 1994 16:02:49 -0400 Message-Id: References: <941114150140.2020081c@RGTI.COM> allensd@VNET.IBM.COM ("Sean Allen") writes: > Not just you... I think it may have something to do with the way > Pine is displaying the messages now. There seems to be a longer > delay. Dunno. I stripped my copy to make it about 1/5 the size and it seems to be running fine. strip pine.binary (or whatever) -- __________________________________________________________________ John Andrea St. Francis Xavier Univ. University Computer Services Antigonish, NS, CANADA B2G 2W5 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 15 16:06:31 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17016; Tue, 15 Nov 94 16:06:31 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11969; Tue, 15 Nov 94 15:59:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from vnet.ibm.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11963; Tue, 15 Nov 94 15:59:42 -0800 Received: from RTP by VNET.IBM.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8148; Tue, 15 Nov 94 18:59:02 EST Received: by RTP (XAGENTA 3.0) id 0922; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 18:59:07 -0500 Received: by axis.raleigh.ibm.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA20628; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 19:00:08 -0500 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 19:00:07 -0500 (EST) From: "Sean Allen" To: John Andrea Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Is it JUST me, or... In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Thanks for the tip John, but it does not help, at least in my case. As an example try opening the INBOX, going to the log list, selecting a log, delete a message in the log, and then go back to the INBOX. The messages that tell you that it is closing a log, how many its deleteing, how many its keeping, and opening INBOX, et al, take forever to display. I am just used to the way 3.89 just slapped the messages up there. I miss it... I realize that this may be going towards the user-friendly, dork proofness philosophy of pine, and it is not a bitch, just an observation. As another example, startup two pine sessions, let the second grab the read-write lock from the first instance, and quit the first one. Notice how quickly it exits since it does not have to tell the user that it is closing the INBOX. Yes, I realize that it also does not have to flush the INBOX changes, but this happens even after an eXpunge... As a suggestion to the Pine team, how about a: i-dont-care-about-the-messages switch, or a message-display-interval variable? If I really need to find out what message was just on my screen, I can goto the $HOME/.pine-debugX files. Dont you just love how nit-picky users (of free software...) can get? On 15 Nov 1994, John Andrea wrote: > allensd@VNET.IBM.COM ("Sean Allen") writes: > > Not just you... I think it may have something to do with the way > > Pine is displaying the messages now. There seems to be a longer > > delay. Dunno. > > I stripped my copy to make it about 1/5 the size and it seems to be > running fine. > > strip pine.binary (or whatever) > -- > __________________________________________________________________ > John Andrea St. Francis Xavier Univ. > University Computer Services Antigonish, NS, CANADA B2G 2W5 > > Sean Allen AIX/Database Administration (919)543-6021 Fax 7996 IBM Personal Computer Company Internal Zip: D318/B205 Research Triangle Park, NC 27709 #include Internet: allensd@vnet.ibm.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 15 17:30:30 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21415; Tue, 15 Nov 94 17:30:30 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17179; Tue, 15 Nov 94 17:24:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17173; Tue, 15 Nov 94 17:24:40 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r7Yah-00000eC; Tue, 15 Nov 94 16:51 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Stephen Sheldon Subject: Compile Problem on Sequent Date: 15 Nov 1994 22:04:39 GMT Message-Id: <3abb9n$e59@iserver.lib.co.alameda.ca.us> trying to compile 3.91 on sequent. Copy of the log is as follows FOR MAKEFILE: Makefile echo ptx > OSTYPE rm - rf systype ln -s non-ANSI systype cd non-ANSI/c-client; make ptx FOR MAKEFILE: Makefile make mtest OS=ptx EXTRADRIVERS="" \ STDPROTO=bezerkproto \ RSH=resh RSHPATH=/usr/bin/resh \ CFLAGS="=Wc,-03 -Wc, -seq " RANLIB=true \ LDFLAGS="-lseq -lsec -lsocket -linet -lnsl -lgen" For MAKEFILE: Makefile Make: Unknown flag argument W. Stop. *** Error code 1 Make: . Stop. *** Error code 1 Make: . Stop. *** Error code 1 Make: . Stop. Any help would be much appreciated. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 15 17:58:43 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22449; Tue, 15 Nov 94 17:58:43 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14633; Tue, 15 Nov 94 17:51:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14627; Tue, 15 Nov 94 17:51:32 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r7Yzy-00000lC; Tue, 15 Nov 94 17:17 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: fxars@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu Subject: Re: signature Date: 15 Nov 1994 23:41:09 GMT Message-Id: References: <3a838o$58k@nx2.hrz.uni-dortmund.de> In-Reply-To: egreshko@hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com's message of Tue, 15 Nov 1994 16:34:02 GMT >>>>> "E" == Ed Greshko writes: E> On 14 Nov 1994, Klaus Wacker wrote: >> Both elm and tin add a line containing two dashes in front of >> the signature. Pine doesn't. Why not? Isn't this some kind of >> standard? E> There is no such standard. E> If you'd like, add the dashes to your signature file. I was curious about that. I guess it's a standard specific to usenet. Nevertheless it's a common practice even among mailers. === Al From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 15 18:10:55 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22808; Tue, 15 Nov 94 18:10:55 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17918; Tue, 15 Nov 94 18:04:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17912; Tue, 15 Nov 94 18:04:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r7ZAw-00000cC; Tue, 15 Nov 94 17:28 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: golden@metronet.com (Dennis Golden) Subject: Re: Why is 3.91 so much slower than 3.90? Message-Id: Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 21:46:23 GMT References: <3862le$f5i@nyheter.chalmers.se> And I just installed Pine 3.91, and it is almost an order of magnitude slower initializing than 3.90. This is a real problem that is preventing me from allowing production use. The system is Dynix 3 on a Sequent Symetry and using time for both 3.90 and 3.91 with an inbox size of ~160 messages: 2x+ real ~10x user ~1.5x system Any hints GREATLY apprciated. Dennis Golden, Sabre Group, AMR Corp In article <3862le$f5i@nyheter.chalmers.se>, Niclas Mattsson wrote: >The difference is really noticable when starting and quitting pine. Why? >Can 3.90 be sped up? > >Please reply to niclas@entek.chalmers.se, not the address above. > >Niclas Mattsson > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 15 19:46:56 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25309; Tue, 15 Nov 94 19:46:56 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16117; Tue, 15 Nov 94 19:32:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16111; Tue, 15 Nov 94 19:32:49 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r7agb-00000vC; Tue, 15 Nov 94 19:05 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 17:03:11 -0800 Message-Id: References: <3a10pb$mq1@crl.crl.com> <3a7oek$bv4@crl5.crl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3a7oek$bv4@crl5.crl.com> On 14 Nov 1994, David S. Eitelbach wrote: > > Since you missed it the first time, I'll try again with an example: You > are thinking of buying an Acme computer and you post to comp.comp.acme, > asking what owners of Acme think. I own an Acme and don't like it at all. > Rather than post a reply and get flamed for not liking Acmes, I email you > with my impressions from my newsreader. You get the email and read it in > Pine. You have some followup questions. In emailing me, you don't read > the second prompt and the message is posted to the group as well as mailed. > Not my fault, is it? > Now we are getting to the root of the problem. What you are saying is that the email message you recieved had a header Newsgroups: comp.comp.acme in it. Pine's interpretation of that header is that the message was posted to the newsgroup. This interpretation conforms to all RFC specifications of the Newsgroups: header than I am aware of. In any case, the default for the prompt you are so strenuously objecting to is NO, so a user would have to press 'Y' to post the reply to the group. Anyone in the habit of blindly hitting 'Y' at every prompt is bound to get some unexpected results. For more discussion of the Newsgroups: header, see the flamewar that has been raging in comp.mail.headers for the last month or so. Please do not restart it here, thanks. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 15 21:37:14 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27922; Tue, 15 Nov 94 21:37:14 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20962; Tue, 15 Nov 94 21:28:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20956; Tue, 15 Nov 94 21:28:13 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r7cNm-00000vC; Tue, 15 Nov 94 20:54 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jdavis@CS.Arizona.EDU (Jim Davis) Subject: Re: Why is 3.91 so much slower than 3.90? Date: 15 Nov 1994 18:55:55 -0700 Message-Id: <3aborb$pkc@wolf.CS.Arizona.EDU> References: <3862le$f5i@nyheter.chalmers.se> In article , Dennis Golden wrote: :And I just installed Pine 3.91, and it is almost an order of magnitude slower :initializing than 3.90. This is a real problem that is preventing me from :allowing production use. The system is Dynix 3 on a Sequent Symetry and using :time for both 3.90 and 3.91 with an inbox size of ~160 messages: : 2x+ real : ~10x user : ~1.5x system I can't reproduce the problem on our S81 running Dynix 3.2.0. I tested times to open a big (1826 message) mailfile: 3.91: 20.2 real 12.8 user 4.0 sys 3.90: 25.1 real 13.4 user 4.0 sys /usr/ucb/Mail: 38.6 real 32.0 user 3.0 sys So here at least 3.91 starts up faster than 3.90, and both are much faster than the stock mailer. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 15 21:50:36 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28336; Tue, 15 Nov 94 21:50:36 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18107; Tue, 15 Nov 94 21:46:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18101; Tue, 15 Nov 94 21:46:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r7ceA-000013C; Tue, 15 Nov 94 21:11 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jlfitz@cais2.cais.com (Jeffrey Fitzgerald) Subject: TIN Newsgroup too?? Date: 16 Nov 1994 04:46:13 GMT Message-Id: <3ac2ql$4o5@news.cais.com> I know I am off base, but is there also a Tin newsgroup? I would like to know more about the software... -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jeffrey L. Fitzgerald jlfitz@cais.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * Real Life On-Line Help 24 Hrs a Day... Jesus@Heaven.God * From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 15 22:21:24 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29341; Tue, 15 Nov 94 22:21:24 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21625; Tue, 15 Nov 94 22:13:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21619; Tue, 15 Nov 94 22:13:27 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r7d04-00000vC; Tue, 15 Nov 94 21:33 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Abort trap (core dumped) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 18:44:51 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3a9mrg$rkf@tulpi.interconnect.com.au> This is a known bug in Pine 3.90. It is fixed in Pine 3.91. Please upgrade. -- Mark -- On 15 Nov 1994, Charles Meo wrote: > > One of our users is getting the following message every time he > exits pine (3.90, BSDI 1.1): > > Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal". > Exiting pine. > Abort trap (core dumped) > > The interesting part is, when I move his mail drop to a folder, e.g. > 'mail-file', and invoke pine as pine -f mail-file, this error does not > occur. > > Does anyone know what is going on here? > > The stack trace is: > > bash$ gdb /usr/local/bin/pine core.pine > Core was generated by `pine'. > #0 0xda55d in kill (0xefbfd1d8, 0x0007a31e, 0xefbfd1e4, 0x0008a591) > (gdb) where > #0 0xda55d in kill (0xefbfd1d8, 0x0007a31e, 0xefbfd1e4, 0x0008a591) > #1 0xdf05f in abort (0xefbfd1d8, 0x0007a31e, 0xefbfd1e4, 0x0008a591) > #2 0x922b0 in coredump () at os.c:681 > #3 0x7a31e in panic (message=0x8a531 "Received abort signal") at pine.c:2365 > #4 0x8a591 in auger_in_signal () at signals.c:185 > #5 0xefbfdfde in ffp (0x0005d242, 0x000ad83f, 0x0000001b, 0x0011d000) > #6 0xad91f in bezerk_search (stream=0x11d000, > criteria=0x5d242 "SEEN UNDELETED") at bezerk.c:721 > #7 0xab200 in mail_search (stream=0x11d000, criteria=0x5d242 "SEEN UNDELETED") at mail.c:906 > #8 0x79f87 in count_flagged (stream=0x11d000, flags=0x5d242 "SEEN UNDELETED") > at pine.c:2220 > #9 0x5d498 in expunge_and_close (stream=0x11d000, folder=0x107090 "inbox") > at mailcmd.c:3013 > #10 0x79053 in quit_screen (pine_state=0x107000) at pine.c:1908 > #11 0x762b1 in main (argc=1, argv=0xefbfddac) at pine.c:682 > (gdb) > > -- > Charles Meo | InterConnect Australia Pty. Ltd. > Melbourne, Australia | Australia wide Internet Access. > | Telnet FTP Talk Email News and more. > cm@interconnect.com.au | Voice: 03 528 2239 Email:info@interconnect.com.au > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 15 22:39:52 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29882; Tue, 15 Nov 94 22:39:52 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18854; Tue, 15 Nov 94 22:34:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18848; Tue, 15 Nov 94 22:34:49 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r7dKq-00000MC; Tue, 15 Nov 94 21:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: wallison@panix.com (Bill Allison) Subject: PINE for FreeBSD? Date: 15 Nov 1994 22:11:48 -0500 Message-Id: <3abt9k$2na@panix3.panix.com> I have not been able to compile Pine on my FreeBSD machine. Has anyone ported it to this OS, or does anyone know where such a port might be found? Hellllp... Thanks! Bill -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Bill Allison IAN FREED CONSULTING, INC. wallison@panix.com Seattle, WA office: 206-583-8919 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 15 23:17:38 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00759; Tue, 15 Nov 94 23:17:38 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22291; Tue, 15 Nov 94 23:05:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22285; Tue, 15 Nov 94 23:05:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r7dvH-000012C; Tue, 15 Nov 94 22:32 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cm@tulpi.interconnect.com.au (Charles Meo) Subject: Re: Abort trap (core dumped) Date: 16 Nov 1994 14:57:34 +1100 Message-Id: <3abvve$9ve@tulpi.interconnect.com.au> References: <3a9mrg$rkf@tulpi.interconnect.com.au> Charles Meo (cm@tulpi.interconnect.com.au) wrote: : One of our users is getting the following message every time he : exits pine (3.90, BSDI 1.1): : Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal". : Exiting pine. : Abort trap (core dumped) Thanks to the people who emailed me. This is apparently a known bug in pine 3.90. I have upgraded to 3.91 and all is now well. C. Meo -- Charles Meo | InterConnect Australia Pty. Ltd. Melbourne, Australia | Australia wide Internet Access. | Telnet FTP Talk Email News and more. cm@interconnect.com.au | Voice: 03 528 2239 Email:info@interconnect.com.au From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 16 00:23:46 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02237; Wed, 16 Nov 94 00:23:46 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19995; Wed, 16 Nov 94 00:07:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19989; Wed, 16 Nov 94 00:07:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r7emm-00000MC; Tue, 15 Nov 94 23:28 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jdavis@CS.Arizona.EDU (Jim Davis) Subject: Re: TIN Newsgroup too?? Date: 15 Nov 1994 22:14:01 -0700 Message-Id: <3ac4ep$2j6@wolf.CS.Arizona.EDU> References: <3ac2ql$4o5@news.cais.com> In article <3ac2ql$4o5@news.cais.com>, Jeffrey Fitzgerald wrote: :I know I am off base, but is there also a Tin newsgroup? Try news.software.readers. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 16 00:50:37 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02937; Wed, 16 Nov 94 00:50:37 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23544; Wed, 16 Nov 94 00:39:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23538; Wed, 16 Nov 94 00:39:36 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r7f9C-000019C; Tue, 15 Nov 94 23:51 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: johnl@iecc.com (John R Levine) Subject: Looking for mail and news experts for Internet Secrets book Message-Id: <1994Nov16.064207.16172@chico.iecc.com> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 06:42:07 GMT I'm putting together the upcoming "Internet Secrets" to be published by IDG Books. Secrets books are compilations of tips and tricks from expert users, and I'm looking for some people who are interesting in contributing to the book. All contributions are credited (unless for some reason you want to be anonymous) and you get a copy of the book when it comes out (it's a $49.95 book, don't laugh). For substantial chunks, like a full chapter, we can offer modest amounts of actual money. In particular, we're looking for people to give an inside look at the "top ten" (for some value of ten) network applications, particularly: * Unix mailers: elm, pine, mh, xmh * Windows mailers: Eudora, Pegasus * Bending sendmail and smail to your will (yes, I now it's possible to write entire books about sendmail) * Unix news: trn, tin, nn * Windows news: trumpet, winvn (If your favorite program doesn't appear on that list and you think that it should, drop me a note. Of course, I'll ask you to write about it.) For each program, we're looking for stuff that's not obvious from the man page, what you need to do to make them sing and dance, particular ways to set up or use them to do things that one might not have through possible. Material need not be 100% new; in many cases an adaptation of an existing FAQ would be great. Even though FAQs tend to change every month, for many readers a printed version of a FAQ is still very useful since A) you can get it before you have net access and B) you can read it in the bathroom. We'd want a pointer to the on-line FAQ, of course, so people can get the latest versions. If interested, drop me a line at contrib@dummies.com. -- John R. Levine, IECC, POB 349, Cambridge MA 02238, +1 617 492 3869 johnl@iecc.com "Space aliens are stealing American jobs." - Stanford econ prof From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 16 11:36:08 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28408; Wed, 16 Nov 94 11:36:08 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05422; Wed, 16 Nov 94 11:28:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05416; Wed, 16 Nov 94 11:28:13 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r7pIw-00001kC; Wed, 16 Nov 94 10:42 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: yukes@nevada.edu (Pirkko Yukes) Subject: procmail with pine Date: 16 Nov 1994 17:16:41 GMT Message-Id: <3adepp$idf@news.nevada.edu> Please tell me, (in easy to understand terms ;-)) what to do: I have tried, in vain, to make the procmail work with Pine. I currently have Pine 3.89, but will probably upgrade to 3.91 next week. When I thought I had done everything correctly and tried to open the newly created incoming folders, It said: 'opening folder x...' 'cannot open folder x...' 'no such file or directory...' I only need the procmail to separate my incoming mail to several folders. Should be a simple task... What changes do I need to make in my .pinerc? How to set up .procmailrc correctly? What else should I do to get it to work? By the way, I need to separate mail based on TO and/or CC lines, not the FROM line. I have spent hours on this. Please help so I can stop pulling my hair... -- Pirkko e-mail:yukes@nevada.edu -==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 16 12:17:54 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01210; Wed, 16 Nov 94 12:17:54 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03517; Wed, 16 Nov 94 12:11:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03511; Wed, 16 Nov 94 12:11:17 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r7qHj-00001AC; Wed, 16 Nov 94 11:44 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Pine 3.92 ?? Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 10:24:16 -0800 Message-Id: References: <3aarvg$g12@mizar.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3aarvg$g12@mizar.usc.edu> On 15 Nov 1994, Elmar Kurgpold wrote: > Will the next release of the Windows version coincide with this as > yet unscheduled release of Pine 3.92? I'm very curious as to how the > work is going on this program. > All Pine ports (that we maintain) are upgraded simultaneously with each release. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 16 13:02:30 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03028; Wed, 16 Nov 94 13:02:30 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07193; Wed, 16 Nov 94 12:52:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from plumtree.async.vt.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07181; Wed, 16 Nov 94 12:52:29 -0800 Received: by java (Smail3.1.28.1 #18) id m0r7mda-000B3gC; Wed, 16 Nov 94 10:51 EST Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 10:51:08 -0500 (EST) From: Laurence Lundblade X-Sender: lgl@java To: Pirkko Yukes Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: procmail with pine In-Reply-To: <3adepp$idf@news.nevada.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Here's a bit of .procmailrc that works for me: PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin MAILDIR=$HOME/mail #you'd better make sure it exists DEFAULT=$MAILDIR/mbox LOGFILE=$MAILDIR/from :0: * ^Cc:.*imap Saved-Imap-Messages :0: * ^To:.*imap Saved-Imap-Messages Any mail with "imap" in the To: or Cc: lines gets filed in the folder Saved-Imap-Messages and it shows up in the folder listing when I type "L". This should work with 3.89 and 3.91 just fine! Laurence Lundblade LGL@CSGrad.CS.VT.EDU (and a few other addresses) http://oneworld.wa.com/laurence/home.html Virginia Tech CS -- Blacksburg, Virginia, US -- 703-552-2537 On 16 Nov 1994, Pirkko Yukes wrote: > Please tell me, (in easy to understand terms ;-)) what to do: > > I have tried, in vain, to make the procmail work with Pine. I currently > have Pine 3.89, but will probably upgrade to 3.91 next week. > > When I thought I had done everything correctly and tried to open the > newly created incoming folders, It said: 'opening folder x...' 'cannot > open folder x...' 'no such file or directory...' > > [ rest deleted.....] From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 16 15:24:04 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08806; Wed, 16 Nov 94 15:24:04 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10229; Wed, 16 Nov 94 15:12:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10223; Wed, 16 Nov 94 15:12:02 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r7t91-00000NC; Wed, 16 Nov 94 14:48 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pjh@tecoma.mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) Subject: Getting Rid Of PICO??? Message-Id: Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 22:09:40 GMT I would like to use a different editor from PICO while using Pine. Setting editor= in the pine.conf and/or .pinerc does not do it. What does? Thanks. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 16 19:22:09 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19810; Wed, 16 Nov 94 19:22:09 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12617; Wed, 16 Nov 94 19:16:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12611; Wed, 16 Nov 94 19:16:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r7x1R-00001KC; Wed, 16 Nov 94 18:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: murrays@noc (Scott A. Murray) Subject: Command line sending with PINE? Date: 16 Nov 1994 22:47:02 GMT Message-Id: <3ae256$gun@relay.tor.hookup.net> Hi, First things first.... I'm using PINE v3.87 Is there a way to send a message from the command line, with no need for interaction from the user at all? Ie: In ELM, you can.... elm -s "subject" "address" < .messagetext Is there a way to do this in PINE? Do I need the newest version? Thanks. -- -----------------[ Nisus Development & Technology ]------------------ Scott A. Murray E-Mail: murrays@hookup.net Voice: (416) 261-7866 Fax: (416) 261-6399 ------[ 'Helping make Windows(tm) a really neat place to be!' ]------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 16 19:34:50 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20367; Wed, 16 Nov 94 19:34:50 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15768; Wed, 16 Nov 94 19:31:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15762; Wed, 16 Nov 94 19:31:20 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r7xDZ-00001jC; Wed, 16 Nov 94 19:09 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mike@meiko.com (Mike Stok) Subject: Re: Mail reader with Perl hooks? Date: 16 Nov 1994 16:30:05 -0500 Message-Id: <3adtkt$pr8@hibbert.meiko.com> References: <1994Nov10.164320.21689@chemabs.uucp> <1994Nov11.180553.15596@chemabs.uucp> In article <1994Nov11.180553.15596@chemabs.uucp>, wrote: > >Randle mentioned mailagent to me in private mail - we are using that. I >am looking for something that reads mail msgs from a mailbox. Like a Mail, >elm, mh, etc. only that allows user written perl internal commands, etc. > >Randle also pointed me to plum and I have looked at it. Just looking >to see what else is there - in particular something with some doc > and that takes advantage of Perl 5 hopefully. There is the c-client library that comes with the Pine distribution which does stuff to do with mail reading in various mail box formats and can also handle remote mail boxes through IMAP and possibly POP 3 (but I'm not sure about the POP bit). It should be easy to turn into a perl5 extension (he said glibly having not even glanced over the code 'cos Pine works out of the box :-)... then using Curses or Tk or whatever a perl mailreader would be do-able. The honourable thing to do here would be to volunteer to look at it, but various personal things & the looming festive season mean I'd be even slower to get to it than usual. Anyway I've cross-posted to comp.mail.pine in case one of the developers feels like illuminating the c-client library. Mike -- The "usual disclaimers" apply. | Meiko Mike Stok | 130C Baker Ave. Ext Mike.Stok@meiko.concord.ma.us | Concord, MA 01742 Meiko tel: (508) 371 0088 x124 | From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 16 19:55:07 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20865; Wed, 16 Nov 94 19:55:07 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13062; Wed, 16 Nov 94 19:50:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from freenet.edmonton.ab.ca by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13056; Wed, 16 Nov 94 19:50:03 -0800 Received: by freenet.edmonton.ab.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/FEAC1.002) id AA20511; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 10:05:45 -0700 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 10:05:45 -0700 (MST) From: Dieter Simader To: "Christopher W. Curtis" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Disable printing? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Printing attached-to-ansi depends on the terminal program. They all work differently. I used RIPTERM which also only prints to the screen. TELIX will print to a printer. That is of course if you use a dial-up-link and DOS programs. -- ds On Tue, 15 Nov 1994, Christopher W. Curtis wrote: > Also, printing to attached-to-ansi doesn't work at our site. > Everything is printed to the screen instead. Has anyone > else had this problem? > -- > T | Christopher Curtis | There are two rules to follow | O > E | Sun Lab System Administrator | to ensure success in life: | S > A | Florida Institute of Technology | Rule 1: Don't tell people | / > M | Melbourne, Florida N|N everything you know. | 2 > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 16 20:05:50 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21114; Wed, 16 Nov 94 20:05:50 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13243; Wed, 16 Nov 94 20:01:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13237; Wed, 16 Nov 94 20:01:56 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r7xjH-00001jC; Wed, 16 Nov 94 19:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: trouble w/ news using nntp server Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 18:38:01 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: That message is a catch-all that happens with both SMTP and NNTP connections (the same routine is used). It means that in sending a command (in either protocol) or reading the response, the TCP connection closed unexpectedly. Does your NNTP server require login/password? On Tue, 15 Nov 1994, Patti Johnson wrote: > Just wondering - I've followed directions on how to read news of another > machine. But, after setting the nntp server in my own config, quitting > pine, then re-entering, I try to Add folders to my news area in the > folder LIST - and get the following error message: > > 421 SMTP connection went away! > > I don't have an smtp server set in the config file. Do I need it? I > understand that if I don't have it set, the std unix sendmail will be used. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 16 20:13:50 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21366; Wed, 16 Nov 94 20:13:50 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16335; Wed, 16 Nov 94 20:10:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16329; Wed, 16 Nov 94 20:10:16 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r7xsT-00001kC; Wed, 16 Nov 94 19:51 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Why is 3.91 so much slower than 3.90? Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 18:47:51 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3aborb$pkc@wolf.CS.Arizona.EDU> I am looking at this problem now. Dennis' message to pine-bugs contained extra information which is very helpful. I have a hunch of the cause, which could also very well explain why some people see it and others do not. If this hunch is correct, it's a C library bug. But in order to give you a fix, I need to know the answers to these questions: What is the difference between a Sequent Symetry and an S81, and what is the difference between Dynix 3 and Dynix 3.2.0? Are these systems the BSD-like system formerly known as Dynix, or the SVR4-like system that is also known as PTX? Which Pine port are you using (DYN or PTX)? Dennis, if I gave you a patch, would you be able to build a new version and try it out? Finally, has anyone else seen a slowdown between Pine 3.90 and Pine 3.91 in opening standard UNIX folders, and if so, what is the machine type, operating system, and Pine port? I am *NOT* interested in performance reports between Pine 3.89 and Pine 3.91; there are other known problems which are under investigation. I am narrowing my focus to this particular problem. -- Mark -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 16 20:35:17 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21822; Wed, 16 Nov 94 20:35:17 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13687; Wed, 16 Nov 94 20:32:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13681; Wed, 16 Nov 94 20:32:04 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r7yAo-00001KC; Wed, 16 Nov 94 20:10 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: u3616199@abac.au.ac.th (Ye Tun) Subject: Re: help on setup aliases Date: 17 Nov 1994 03:00:10 GMT Message-Id: <3aegvq$c0d@senior.nectec.or.th> References: Xiaojun Zhu (xjzhu@math.uwaterloo.ca) wrote: : Hi, there: : Is anybody here know how to setup an alias for a 300 list of people? : The aim is to avoid the address to be all listed on the header, ie, : it is prefered to use a BCC type of aliases. Currently, it is causing : us trouble because the BCC doesn't allow so many people. : We will also appreciate ways to do this in elm or pine. : Thanks, : XJ If you are root, then put that list inside the aliases file. otherwise, make the .forward file in one account and put all those name, and mail to that account. Anyone with better idea? ** Ye ** Mr. Ye Tun E-mail: u3616199@au.ac.th 146/18 Ramkhamhaeng 24. Phone+Fax: (662) 300-4965 Hua-mark, Bangkok 10240 Thailand. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 16 20:59:34 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22328; Wed, 16 Nov 94 20:59:34 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16943; Wed, 16 Nov 94 20:55:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16937; Wed, 16 Nov 94 20:55:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r7yT3-00001wC; Wed, 16 Nov 94 20:29 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: Getting Rid Of PICO??? Date: 17 Nov 94 03:33:16 GMT Message-Id: References: pjh@tecoma.mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) writes: >I would like to use a different editor from PICO while using Pine. >Setting editor= in the pine.conf and/or .pinerc does not do it. >What does? >Thanks. I want jove, which is set as my $EDITOR, so I have the following lines in ~/.pinerc: # List of features; see Pine's Setup/options menu for the current set. # e.g. feature-list= select-without-confirm, signature-at-bottom # Default condition for all of the features is no-. feature-list=old-growth, signature-at-bottom, enable-alternate-editor-implicitly I then have: editor=$EDITOR in the ~/.pinerc, in case I change my mind to use JED or emacs or joe. Whenever I page down from the headers it autoloads the editor. NEAT! -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)313-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Gopher,chimera,nn,tin,jove,modems, free code is best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 16 21:02:50 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22421; Wed, 16 Nov 94 21:02:50 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14082; Wed, 16 Nov 94 20:59:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14076; Wed, 16 Nov 94 20:59:06 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r7yar-00001jC; Wed, 16 Nov 94 20:37 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: Command line sending with PINE? Date: 17 Nov 94 03:38:47 GMT Message-Id: References: <3ae256$gun@relay.tor.hookup.net> murrays@noc (Scott A. Murray) writes: >Hi, >First things first.... I'm using PINE v3.87 >Is there a way to send a message from the command line, with no need for >interaction from the user at all? Ie: In ELM, you can.... >elm -s "subject" "address" < .messagetext >Is there a way to do this in PINE? Do I need the newest version? IMHO, this is the biggest shortcoming of pine. Someone needs to write a shell script or perl program that will use the pine addressbook and apend the sent message to the sent-mail folder. >Thanks. >-- >-----------------[ Nisus Development & Technology ]------------------ > Scott A. Murray E-Mail: murrays@hookup.net > Voice: (416) 261-7866 Fax: (416) 261-6399 >------[ 'Helping make Windows(tm) a really neat place to be!' ]------ -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)313-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Gopher,chimera,nn,tin,jove,modems, free code is best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 16 23:02:58 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24880; Wed, 16 Nov 94 23:02:58 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18487; Wed, 16 Nov 94 22:59:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18481; Wed, 16 Nov 94 22:59:09 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r80NC-00001jC; Wed, 16 Nov 94 22:31 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: myhsu@db.csie.ncu.edu.tw (Ming-Yen Hsu) Subject: Re: procmail with pine Date: 17 Nov 1994 06:12:23 GMT Message-Id: <3aes87$ge@db.csie.ncu.edu.tw> References: <3adepp$idf@news.nevada.edu> Laurence Lundblade (lgl@csgrad.cs.vt.edu) wrote: : Here's a bit of .procmailrc that works for me: : PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin : MAILDIR=$HOME/mail #you'd better make sure it exists : DEFAULT=$MAILDIR/mbox : LOGFILE=$MAILDIR/from : :0: : * ^Cc:.*imap : Saved-Imap-Messages : :0: : * ^To:.*imap : Saved-Imap-Messages : Any mail with "imap" in the To: or Cc: lines gets filed in the folder : Saved-Imap-Messages and it shows up in the folder listing when I type : "L". This should work with 3.89 and 3.91 just fine! You need only one recipe to match the condition "To:" and "Cc:", it looks like this: :0: * ^TOimap Saved-Imad-Messages >From the "DRAFF 2 of Getting Started with Procmail" by Nancy McGough, Notation Meaning ======== ======= :0 Begin a recipe : Use a lock file * Begin a condition ^ Match beginning of a line followed by.... TO ``To: '' ``Cc: '' or other synonyms for To, followed by any characters followed by.... It is really useful if you have joined a lot of mailing list. -- _____ _____ _____ ____ _____ | \| _ \ Ming-Yen Hsu, Database Lab. NCU Taiwan ROC | \/ \| | | | | | _ < Computer Science & Information Engineering | | | <--<| | | |_____/|_____/ Electronic Mail : myhsu@db.csie.ncu.edu.tw |__|__/\____/\_____| From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 16 23:14:21 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25051; Wed, 16 Nov 94 23:14:21 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15761; Wed, 16 Nov 94 23:10:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15755; Wed, 16 Nov 94 23:09:59 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r80V3-00001xC; Wed, 16 Nov 94 22:39 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Frank Conlon Subject: Problem saving in Pine 3.91 AFTER news Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 16:42:52 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII My new Pine 3.91 is wonderful, mostly. But I am encountering what I think may be a bug. When I have selected the News option and read through several items in various news folders, and then returned to the INBOX, I then have a problem when I attempt to send a composed file. When prompted to save to sent-mail, I type Y (yes). PINE sends me a message of an error 411, unable to open folder or rather it doesn't exist. If I quit PINE and reopen it and stay in the mail side of the option, the problem disappears and I get on with the work, but moving from Mail to News and back to Mail seems to generate a problem. Frank Conlon University of Washington From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 16 23:44:19 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25592; Wed, 16 Nov 94 23:44:19 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19007; Wed, 16 Nov 94 23:40:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19001; Wed, 16 Nov 94 23:40:20 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r811h-00001HC; Wed, 16 Nov 94 23:13 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: 31reed@wmich.edu (Eric) Subject: HELP setting Reply-To: in Pine for VMS Message-Id: <1994Nov16.225637.24026@wmichgw> Date: 16 Nov 94 22:56:37 EDT I am trying to set up my Reply-To: address in Pine for VMS Is this possible? If so, how? thanks-- ============================================================================== Eric Reed University Computing Services HelpDesk Consultant Western Michigan University http://www.wmich.edu/Helpdesk ============================================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 17 01:07:09 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27556; Thu, 17 Nov 94 01:07:09 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17223; Thu, 17 Nov 94 01:03:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17217; Thu, 17 Nov 94 01:03:27 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r82EC-00001vC; Thu, 17 Nov 94 00:30 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: huette@mec.fh-muenchen.de (Jens Huettemann) Subject: cmsg cancel <3a7qms$nd0@sunserver.lrz-muenchen.de> Control: cancel <3a7qms$nd0@sunserver.lrz-muenchen.de> Date: 17 Nov 1994 08:24:41 GMT Message-Id: <3af409$7kq@sunserver.lrz-muenchen.de> Article cancelled from within tin [v1.2 PL2] From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 17 01:37:21 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28404; Thu, 17 Nov 94 01:37:21 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20580; Thu, 17 Nov 94 01:33:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20574; Thu, 17 Nov 94 01:33:31 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r82oL-00001KC; Thu, 17 Nov 94 01:07 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: setzerkl@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (a very mysterious person) Subject: Re: How to post news through pine or elm? Message-Id: <1994Nov17.062956.16793@news.vanderbilt.edu> References: <397934$pjg@spool.cs.wisc.edu> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 06:29:56 GMT Sven Guckes (guckes@inf.fu-berlin.de) wrote: :sadistic@yar.cs.wisc.edu (Izumi Sakai) writes: :>Just wanna know how to post news through elm and pine? :FAQ! :Please read the FAQ, :question "2.19 Can I use elm for posting and replying to news?" :>I can only read news through pine, but not elm, and can't post news :>through both programs. :Well, ELM is an mail transport agent - not a newsreader. :Sven I hope you're wearing asbestos attire. Elm and pine are "mail user agents". Sendmail, smail, et. al. are mta's Kelly -- spread the meme From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 17 02:14:59 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29080; Thu, 17 Nov 94 02:14:59 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18225; Thu, 17 Nov 94 02:09:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18219; Thu, 17 Nov 94 02:09:30 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r83HA-00001HC; Thu, 17 Nov 94 01:37 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jdavis@CS.Arizona.EDU (Jim Davis) Subject: Re: Command line sending with PINE? Date: 16 Nov 1994 17:27:54 -0700 Message-Id: <3ae82a$m7g@wolf.CS.Arizona.EDU> References: <3ae256$gun@relay.tor.hookup.net> In article <3ae256$gun@relay.tor.hookup.net>, Scott A. Murray wrote: : :Is there a way to send a message from the command line, with no need for :interaction from the user at all? Ie: In ELM, you can.... : :elm -s "subject" "address" < .messagetext : :Is there a way to do this in PINE? Do I need the newest version? Getting the latest version, 3.91, would be a good idea. But you still can't do "pine someone Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00675; Thu, 17 Nov 94 03:23:52 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21839; Thu, 17 Nov 94 03:18:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21833; Thu, 17 Nov 94 03:18:43 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r84H0-00001tC; Thu, 17 Nov 94 02:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: chermesh@techunix.technion.ac.il (Chermesh Ran) Subject: Can't save to remote folder - PCPINE Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 11:45:22 GMT Message-Id: Hi, For some reason, my pc-pine (ver. 3.91) doesn't allow me sending messages. Here's my configuration: user-id = chermesh user-domain = bgumail.bgu.ac.il smtp-server = bgumail.bgu.ac.il nntp-server = cc-news.technion.ac.il inbox-path = {bgumail.bgu.ac.il}inbox folder-collections = {bgumail.bgu.ac.il}mail/[] news-collections = signature-file = c:\trumpet\sig global-address-book = address-book = Whenever I try sending a message, the response I get is: Folder "{bgumail...sent_mail" doesn't exist. Create? If I say, yes, the response I get is: [Can't connect to 132.72.141.2,143: Refused (61)] Can't access server If I cancell my 'fcc:' specification, the response I get is: Error connecting to mail server. The strange thing is that I can READ messages, which means that I manage to establish connection with this server. What's wrong? Can the problem stem from incompatibilites between my pinepc *ver. 3.91) and my host's unix pine (ver. 3.90)? Ran -- Ran Chermesh E - M A I L Behavioral Sciences Dept. =========== Ben-Gurion University Internet: CHERMESH@BGUVM.BGU.AC.IL Beer-Sheva 84105 CHERMESH@BGUMAIL.BGU.AC.IL Israel Bitnet : CHERMESH@BGUVM.BITNET Phone: 972-7-472-057 Fax: 972-7-232-766 URL: gopher://gopher.bgu.ac.il:70/00/Ben/res/hum/beh/CHERMESH%2c%20RAN From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 17 07:48:47 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07043; Thu, 17 Nov 94 07:48:47 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22628; Thu, 17 Nov 94 07:32:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22622; Thu, 17 Nov 94 07:32:55 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r88Rm-00000dC; Thu, 17 Nov 94 07:08 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Patti Johnson Subject: Re: trouble w/ news using nntp server In-Reply-To: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 14:39:01 GMT oops - I'm sorry. That message was the result of my giving Pine the wrong address. Please forgive - I didn't post a follow-up. All's well now. Thanks, Mark! On Wed, 16 Nov 1994, Mark Crispin wrote: > That message is a catch-all that happens with both SMTP and NNTP > connections (the same routine is used). > > It means that in sending a command (in either protocol) or reading the > response, the TCP connection closed unexpectedly. > > Does your NNTP server require login/password? > > On Tue, 15 Nov 1994, Patti Johnson wrote: > > Just wondering - I've followed directions on how to read news of another > > machine. But, after setting the nntp server in my own config, quitting > > pine, then re-entering, I try to Add folders to my news area in the > > folder LIST - and get the following error message: > > > > 421 SMTP connection went away! > > > > I don't have an smtp server set in the config file. Do I need it? I > > understand that if I don't have it set, the std unix sendmail will be used. > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 17 07:53:04 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07260; Thu, 17 Nov 94 07:53:04 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22830; Thu, 17 Nov 94 07:42:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from millkern.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22824; Thu, 17 Nov 94 07:42:01 -0800 Received: by millkern.com id AA11123 (5.67a8/IDA-1.4.4 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 10:41:56 -0500 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 10:41:53 -0500 (EST) From: Byrg Bonnelycke To: Pete Holsberg Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Getting Rid Of PICO??? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi: I use PINE 3.91. To use the UNIX 'vi' editor instead of PINE's default 'pico' editor, I 1) change the editor line in PINE's configuration file to editor =vi The PINE configuration file is available under PINE's main menu, 2) hit the ^_ key (i.e. Control-Underline) which is only available from WITHIN the body of the message. Hope this helps. Byrg On Wed, 16 Nov 1994, Pete Holsberg wrote: > I would like to use a different editor from PICO while using Pine. > Setting editor= in the pine.conf and/or .pinerc does not do it. > > What does? > > Thanks. > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 17 10:22:42 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14011; Thu, 17 Nov 94 10:22:42 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26142; Thu, 17 Nov 94 10:12:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from yacht.ee.fit.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26136; Thu, 17 Nov 94 10:12:01 -0800 Received: from ketch (ketch.ee.fit.edu) by ee.fit.edu (4.1/SMI-4.0/900117wah) id AA05672; Thu, 17 Nov 94 13:07:36 EST Received: by ketch (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA00448; Thu, 17 Nov 94 13:12:32 EST Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 13:12:32 -0500 (EST) From: "Christopher \"AWOL\" Curtis" X-Sender: ccurtis@ketch To: Dieter Simader Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Disable printing? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 16 Nov 1994, Dieter Simader wrote: > Printing attached-to-ansi depends on the terminal program. Prompted from: > > Also, printing to attached-to-ansi doesn't work at our site. > > Everything is printed to the screen instead. Has anyone > > else had this problem? Well, I've run 3.89 remotely using Telemate and it printed, and used it in the lab via an xterm with it printing correctly. PINE 3.91, however, no longer prints the same through the xterm and I haven't tested it with telemate yet, but I've had a report of it not printing correctly over the modem. I asked once before but the only response I got was "We didn't change the printing code." So I'm at a complete loss... T | Christopher Curtis | Those who would sacrifice | O E | Sun Lab System Administrator | liberty for security | S A | Florida Institute of Technology | deserve neither. | / M | Melbourne, Florida N|N -Benjamin Franklin | 2 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 17 11:01:51 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15814; Thu, 17 Nov 94 11:01:51 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27120; Thu, 17 Nov 94 10:53:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27114; Thu, 17 Nov 94 10:53:37 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r8Bac-00001HC; Thu, 17 Nov 94 10:29 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hamjavar@unm.edu (Farid Hamjavar) Subject: urgent imap question Date: 17 Nov 1994 10:59:31 -0700 Message-Id: <3ag5m3$1s68@pegasus.unm.edu> Hello: imap on remote host (see below) is older (3.89) than imap on the client host (3.91). When using pine on client host we see the following error very often: Mail Folder Closed Due to Access Error No-op stream error >From ~/.pinerc: # Name/path of inbox. (Folder path name or "{host}inbox" for remote IMAP inbox) inbox-path={eros}INBOX Any idea/comment? Thanks hamjavar@unm.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 17 11:04:36 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15985; Thu, 17 Nov 94 11:04:36 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29496; Thu, 17 Nov 94 10:44:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29484; Thu, 17 Nov 94 10:44:45 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r8BSJ-00000dC; Thu, 17 Nov 94 10:21 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Cyrus Roton Subject: RE: How to a send an ASCII text file as a message? In-Reply-To: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: References: <39uaab$u74@styx.uwa.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 17:08:00 GMT To copy a text file into an e-mail message, using PINE, simply use control-R to "read file" into the message. It works for me. Has this already been answered before, and I missed the answer? Cyrus Roton croton@ridgecrest.ca.us From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 17 12:51:07 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21289; Thu, 17 Nov 94 12:51:07 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02122; Thu, 17 Nov 94 12:34:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from desiree.teleport.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02116; Thu, 17 Nov 94 12:34:50 -0800 Received: from elaine.teleport.com (bsherman@elaine.teleport.com [192.108.254.13]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA24415 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 12:34:48 -0800 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 12:34:17 -0800 (PST) From: "Brian E. Sherman" To: "Christopher \"AWOL\" Curtis" Cc: Dieter Simader , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Disable printing? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 17 Nov 1994, Christopher "AWOL" Curtis wrote: > Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 13:12:32 -0500 (EST) > From: Christopher "AWOL" Curtis > To: Dieter Simader > Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu > Subject: Re: Disable printing? > > On Wed, 16 Nov 1994, Dieter Simader wrote: > > > Printing attached-to-ansi depends on the terminal program. > > Prompted from: > > > > Also, printing to attached-to-ansi doesn't work at our site. > > > Everything is printed to the screen instead. Has anyone > > > else had this problem? > > > Well, I've run 3.89 remotely using Telemate and it printed, and used it in > the lab via an xterm with it printing correctly. PINE 3.91, however, no > longer prints the same through the xterm and I haven't tested it with > telemate yet, but I've had a report of it not printing correctly over the > modem. > > I asked once before but the only response I got was "We didn't change the > printing code." So I'm at a complete loss... > > T | Christopher Curtis | Those who would sacrifice | O > E | Sun Lab System Administrator | liberty for security | S > A | Florida Institute of Technology | deserve neither. | / > M | Melbourne, Florida N|N -Benjamin Franklin | 2 > > I am using TinyTERM by Century Software (Ver2.0.0) with excellent results on attached-to-ansi printing. This product works with just about every printer and has very good terminal emulations. I am using it with pine 3.90 from my Internet provider which is running on a Sun. I use it from work and home on my PCs to talk to my Internet provider and my AcerAltos SCO Unix system at work. _---_ (o o) []-----ooO--~--Ooo-------------------------[] | Brian E. Sherman - Portland, Oregon USA | | Newport / Layton Home Fashions, Inc. | | MIS/EDI Manager/Computer Services Dept. | | E-Mail: bsherman@teleport.com | | Voice: 503-222-3847 Ext. 234 | | Fax: 503-222-7465 | []-----------------------------------------[] From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 17 12:54:41 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21437; Thu, 17 Nov 94 12:54:41 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29631; Thu, 17 Nov 94 12:43:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from desiree.teleport.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29625; Thu, 17 Nov 94 12:43:49 -0800 Received: from elaine.teleport.com (bsherman@elaine.teleport.com [192.108.254.13]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA26088 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 12:43:48 -0800 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 12:43:15 -0800 (PST) From: "Brian E. Sherman" To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: AcerAltos port of Pine3.90 or Pine3.91 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Has anyone ported PINE to a AcerAltos 7000 box? We are running AcerAltos's Version of SCO Unix 3.2 v4.2aCO. I will be starting to port it sometime during the month of December 1994 and was looking for some advice. Any help/problems/ideas/tips would be greatly appreciated. I will be reporting back my progress. Thanks, _---_ (o o) []-----ooO--~--Ooo-------------------------[] | Brian E. Sherman - Portland, Oregon USA | | Newport / Layton Home Fashions, Inc. | | MIS/EDI Manager/Computer Services Dept. | | E-Mail: bsherman@teleport.com | | Voice: 503-222-3847 Ext. 234 | | Fax: 503-222-7465 | []-----------------------------------------[] From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 17 13:25:45 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23076; Thu, 17 Nov 94 13:25:45 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02449; Thu, 17 Nov 94 12:49:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02443; Thu, 17 Nov 94 12:49:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r8DOx-00000JC; Thu, 17 Nov 94 12:25 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dseitel@crl.com (David S. Eitelbach) Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? Date: 17 Nov 1994 10:43:39 -0800 Message-Id: <3ag88r$nrb@crl5.crl.com> References: <3a10pb$mq1@crl.crl.com> <3a7oek$bv4@crl5.crl.com> David L Miller wrote: > Now we are getting to the root of the problem. No we're not. The problem is that the way pine is now configured, the PRIVATE email of an innocent person can be inadvertently posted publicly by someone else. That's the problem--not whether or not Pine passed RFC muster. > Pine's interpretation of that header is that the message was > posted to the newsgroup. This interpretation conforms to all RFC > specifications of the Newsgroups: header than I am aware of. So, I eat in a restaurant. I get food poisoning. I complain to the manager and he tells me the food was all inspected. Great! > In any case, the default for the prompt you are so strenuously > objecting to is NO, so a user would have to press 'Y' to post > the reply to the group. The user just pressed a "Y" in the immediately preceeding step. You make it sound like he has to go out of his way to press "Y". This is misleading. Why not make the posting default changeable? Ms. Nancy McGough may have pointed the way on how to do this early in the thread. If there is some reason why it *can't* be done, fine. But to deny that there is a problem is wrongheaded. > Anyone in the habit of blindly hitting 'Y' at every prompt is > bound to get some unexpected results. You fellows seem to feel some sense of poetic justice is being served here. That is simply not the case and suggests that you do not yet understand what is happening: that the private email that gets posted is *not* that of the person hitting the wrong key. This is the key point and one that you--and especially Mr. Kooijman--seem to have missed. Anyone can replicate the problem by using a test group, BTW. No need to take my word for it. I will try to explain the scenario more clearly: You are thinking of buying an Acme computer and you post to comp.comp.acme, asking what owners of Acme think. I own an Acme and don't like it at all. Rather than post a reply and get flamed for not liking Acmes, I email you with my impressions from my newsreader. You get the email and read it in Pine. You have some followup questions. You hit "r" for reply. Then you hit "y" to include MY PRIVATE EMAIL message in your reply. So far, so good. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ But now the second prompt, about also posting, comes--and you goof. With your finger still on the "Y" key, you hit "Y" just like on the last, so familiar, prompt. This will cause your reply *and my incorporated private email* to be publicly posted! You write down your comments and questions and send it. Since you didn't handle the second prompt properly, MY PRIVATE EMAIL, AS PART OF YOUR ALSO POSTED REPLY, IS NOW POSTED TO A PUBLIC NEWSGROUP THROUGH NO FAULT OF MY OWN. It's dangerous. It stinks. And it's already happening. Ironically, Pine is touted as the choice for novice users. > For more discussion of the Newsgroups: header, see the flamewar > that has been raging in comp.mail.headers for the last month or > so. Please do not restart it here, thanks. This would have been more credibly directed toward Mr. Kooijman earlier in the thread, Mr. Miller. David S. Eitelbach dseitel@crl.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 17 14:25:21 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26217; Thu, 17 Nov 94 14:25:21 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02082; Thu, 17 Nov 94 14:17:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02076; Thu, 17 Nov 94 14:17:26 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r8En3-00000JC; Thu, 17 Nov 94 13:54 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: berg@pool.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Stephen R. van den Berg) Subject: Re: filter Date: 17 Nov 1994 16:27:50 GMT Message-Id: <3ag0a6$lb6@urmel.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> References: <39b20m$bgd@crl10.crl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Jorge Paramo (paramoj@river.it.gvsu.edu) wrote: >: I know this has been discussed before, but I cannot find it. Is >: there a way to filter msgs from certain people so they don't reach the >: inbox? - I am using Pine 3.90 (Adm will not update). >You need to get a program called procmail.. the actual filename is >'procmail.tar.gz'. I don't have an address for it off hand, try doing an >archie or webcraller search for it. That would be: ftp.informatik.rwth-aachen.de /pub/packages/procmail/procmail.tar.gz -- Sincerely, berg@pool.informatik.rwth-aachen.de Stephen R. van den Berg (AKA BuGless). "My name is Smith, the P is not pronounced." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 17 14:41:34 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27162; Thu, 17 Nov 94 14:41:34 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05094; Thu, 17 Nov 94 14:34:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from csn.org by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05088; Thu, 17 Nov 94 14:34:15 -0800 Received: from aep00.UUCP by csn.org with UUCP id AA20111 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for cac.washington.edu!pine-info); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 15:34:11 -0700 Received: by aep.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03564; Thu, 17 Nov 94 14:17:52 MST Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 14:17:50 -0700 (MST) From: Rich Jenke II Subject: Wyse 30 Terminals To: Pine Info Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is there any documentation on supporting Pine on Wyse 30 terminals? We are running SunOS 4.1.3. //\\ // \) Rich Jenke II (/ \\ //\\ ////\\_ \\ rich@aep.com 303.443.0020 // _//\\\\ )) ')) MIS Coordinator ((` (( American Educational Products, Inc. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 17 16:18:41 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01330; Thu, 17 Nov 94 16:18:41 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07155; Thu, 17 Nov 94 16:09:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07149; Thu, 17 Nov 94 16:09:19 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r8Gay-00000JC; Thu, 17 Nov 94 15:50 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: psasied@zeus.polsl.gliwice.pl (Piotr Sasiedzki z-ca dyrektora CK) Subject: Pine and cursor keys on HP-UX Date: 17 Nov 1994 16:59:54 GMT Message-Id: <3ag26a$m1g@hades.polsl.gliwice.pl> Hi ! I compiled pine on my HP-UX 9.05 system, it works OK under vt100, but has problems with hpterm: cursor keys does not work, and moving to next/ previous message leaves inverse on the "stepped over" lines. Anybody has solution ? TIA Piotr From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 17 16:32:59 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01943; Thu, 17 Nov 94 16:32:59 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07366; Thu, 17 Nov 94 16:20:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07360; Thu, 17 Nov 94 16:20:23 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r8Gi3-00000dC; Thu, 17 Nov 94 15:57 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Filtering Mail FAQ Date: 17 Nov 1994 21:07:09 GMT Message-Id: <3agglt$7mv@news.halcyon.com> Archive-name: mail/filtering-faq Posting-frequency: approximately monthly Last-modified: 17 November 1994 _____________________________________________________ _________| |_________ \ | | / \ | FILTERING MAIL FAQ | / \ | | / \ | | / / | Copyright (c) 1994 Nancy McGough | \ / | | \ / |_____________________________________________________| \ /____________) (___________\ TABLE OF CONTENTS 0.0 About this Article ... 0.1 Copyright Notice ... 0.2 Acknowledgements ... 0.3 Terminology and Notation ... 0.4 Getting the Latest Version of This Article ... 0.5 Reading the Hypertext Version of This Article ... 0.6 Reading the Plain Text Version of This Article 1.0 Naming Your Incoming Mail Folders 2.0 Procmail ... 2.1 Setting Up Procmail ... 2.2 Tracking Your Incoming Mail ... 2.3 Explanation of Test Recipe ... 2.4 Troubleshooting: Alternate .forward Files for Procmail ... 2.5 Procmail References 3.0 Filter ... 3.1 Setting up Filter ... 3.2 Tracking Your Incoming Mail ... 3.3 Filter References 4.0 Reading Incoming Mail Folders 5.0 Contributing to this FAQ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:00:00 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 0.0 About this Article Q: How can I have my incoming mail messages automatically put into an appropriate folder? This is one of the most frequently asked questions about email. This article is the first release of an FAQ that addresses this question. This version gives basic instructions for how to set up either procmail or Elm's filter to filter mailing lists. Future versions of this FAQ will include instructions for doing other things like automatically replying to certain messages. If your system has both procmail and filter installed then you should use procmail which is *much* more robust and powerful than filter. This recommendation is almost universal; even the Elm and filter developers recommend procmail over filter. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:00:10 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 0.1 Copyright Notice Copyright (c) 1994 by Nancy McGough. No portion of this work may be sold or put to commercial use without express written consent of the author. This restriction covers publication in any form, or distribution by any method, which permits this work to be visually perceived, either directly or with the aid of any machine or device. Permission is granted to republish or redistribute this article in its entirety for noncommercial use if this copyright notice is not removed or altered. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:00:20 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 0.2 Acknowledgements Thanks to these people who sent suggestions: David L. Miller Cookie Monster Jim Showalter David W. Tamkin Rick Troxel Stephen R. van den Berg Syd Weinstein Special thanks to: + Thomas A. Fine for setting up and maintaining the hypertext archive of FAQs. Congratulations to him for winning O'Reilly and Associates' "The Best of the Net" award! Please let me know if I've left you, or anyone else, out of this list. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:00:30 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 0.3 Terminology and Notation Term Meaning ==== ======= FTP File Transfer Protocol HTML HyperText Markup Language HTTP HyperText Transport Protocol mailer Mail user agent (MUA) such as Pine or Elm pico PIne COmposer - friendly editor that's part of the Pine package RFC Internet "Request For Comments" document URL Uniform Resource Locator (specified in RFC1630) ^x Press the Ctrl key and then, while holding down the Ctrl key, press the x key ~ Your home directory $HOME (see * below) * In this article I use ~ (tilde) to mean your home directory. Note that some shells, such as the Bourne shell (sh), do not understand the tilde notation so you will need to use $HOME instead. You can always get to your home directory by typing ``cd''. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:00:40 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 0.4 Getting the Latest Version of This Article If this article is over two months old then there is probably an updated version of it in all the usual archives. Please get the latest version from one of these places: World Wide Web (the nicest format for online reading!): http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/mail/filtering-faq/faq.html Anonymous FTP: ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/mail/filtering-faq Email: Send mail to mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu containing the following: send usenet/news.answers/mail/filtering-faq UUCP: uunet!/archive/usenet/news.answers/mail/filtering-faq ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:00:50 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 0.5 Reading the Hypertext Version of This Article The best way to read this FAQ (and most other FAQs too) is to view the hypertext version using a Web browser such as Lynx, Mosaic, Netscape, WinWeb, or Cello. This will allow you to easily jump: * between subjects in this article * to a Uniform Resource Locator (URL) * to an Internet Request For Comments document (RFC) * to some manual pages This, and all FAQs that are crossposted to news.answers, can be accessed through: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/top.html This particular FAQ is at: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/mail/filtering-faq/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:00:60 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 0.6 Reading the Plain Text Version of This Article If you are reading the plain text version (i.e., not the hypertext version) of this FAQ it is in RFC1153 digest format which means each subject is formatted as a mini mail message with its own Date, From, and Subject (and sometimes Followup-To) headers. Some newsreaders and mailers make it really easy to jump to a subject in an article that is in digest format. Here are instruction for some newsreaders: * NN's default is to split a digest and present each digest item on the menu. If you have changed the default by putting ``set split off'' in your ~/.nn/init file then you can split an article that is in digest format by typing G% while viewing it. This will present each digest item on a submenu. You can then read, followup-to, save, print, etc. individual digest items. * In trn (and its relatives like rn and strn) you can type ^g (Ctrl key and g key pressed together) to skip to the next line that begins with "Subject: " * In emacs GNUS, C-c C-n will skip to the next digest article (C-C C-p will go back to the previous digest article). If your newsreader or mailer does not have a built-in command that allows you to easily read a digest you can pipe the article to ``formail -ds'' which will split the article into separate mail messages, and then you can use your mailer or newsreader (if it can read mail folders) to read the folder. For example, here's what you would do in Tin while viewing the article: Type... In order to... ------- -------------- | Pipe a Specify the article is to be piped formail -ds >> ~/mail/faq.split Split the digest into individual messages and put them in a file named ~/mail/faq.split. (Replace ~/mail with your folder directory.) pine -if faq.split Use Pine to read the newly created folder. For more information see the formail(1) man pages. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:01:00 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 1.0 Naming Your Incoming Mail Folders For my incoming mail folders I use names that start with ``IN''. For example, I put mail sent to the procmail mailing list into a folder named IN.procmail. I do this so that when all my folders are listed alphabetically the incoming folders are together and near the top. They are near the top because Unix is case sensitive and upper case letters come before lower case letters in an ascii sort. Of course, you can use any names you like for your mail folders. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:02:00 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 2.0 Procmail Procmail is a powerful mail processor that can be used to process your mail messages either as they arrive or after they are in a mail folder. This version of the FAQ describes the basics of setting up procmail to filter incoming mailing list messages. To find out how to process existing mail folders see the NOTES section of the procmail(1) man page. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:02:10 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 2.1 Setting Up Procmail 1] Find out if procmail is on your system and what the full path to it is. If you are using csh type: which procmail Or if you are using sh or ksh type: type procmail If neither ``which'' nor ``type'' are on your system try ``whereis'' and ``where''. If your system doesn't have procmail ask your system administrator to install it. If your sys admin isn't able to do this, use a different mail processor like deliver, mailagent, or filter (described in part 2 of this FAQ). 2a] Create ~/.procmailrc. (Note that throughout this article I use pico for editing files. Replace ``pico'' with your editor.) cd pico .procmailrc 2b] Enter a modified version of the following in your ~/.procmailrc. Note that lines that begin with # are comments and are ignored by procmail. #Set on when debugging VERBOSE=off #Replace ``mail'' with your mail directory (Pine uses mail, Elm uses Mail) MAILDIR=$HOME/mail #Directory for storing procmail log and rc files PMDIR=$HOME/.procmail LOGFILE=$PMDIR/log INCLUDERC=$PMDIR/rc.test INCLUDERC=$PMDIR/rc.folders 3] Create the directory where you will store your procmail log and rc files (this is $PMDIR that you set above). cd mkdir .procmail 4a] Create an rc (run commands) file for testing: cd cd .procmail pico rc.test 4b] Enter the following in ~/.procmail/rc.test: :0: * ^Subject: .*test IN.testing Note that the first line contains a zero (0), not the letter "oh". For now, don't worry about the meaning of this recipe. It is explained in the subject "Explanation of Test Recipe" below. 5a] Create a ~/.forward file by typing the following. (Pico's -w flag tells pico not to auto wrap lines.) cd pico -w .forward 5b] Enter a modified version of the following in your ~/.forward: "|IFS=' ' && exec /usr/local/bin/procmail -f- || exit 75 #nancym" == IMPORTANT NOTES == * Make sure you include all the quotes, both double (") and single ('). * The vertical bar (|) is a pipe. * Replace /usr/local/bin with the correct path for procmail (see step 1). * Replace ``nancym'' with your userid. You need to put your userid in your .forward so that it will be different than any other .forward file on your system. * Do NOT use environment variables, like $HOME, in your .forward file. * Do NOT expect ~ to mean your home directory in the .forward file: If procmail resides below your home directory write out the *full* path. 5c] Note that on many systems you need to make your .forward world readable and your home directory world searchable in order for the mail transport agent to "see" it. To do this type: cd chmod 644 .forward chmod a+x . 6] Send yourself two test messages: one with ``test'' in the subject and one without ``test'' in the subject. 7a] Start your mailer (pine, elm, etc.) and check that the messages were delivered correctly. The one with ``test'' in the subject should be in the folder $MAILDIR/IN.testing and the one without ``test'' in the subject should be in your inbox. If these were delivered correctly go on to step 8. 7b] TROUBLESHOOTING * If the two messages were not delivered correctly look at your $LOGFILE (~/.procmail/log) to see if you can determine what the problem is. * Check these three files for typos: ~/.forward ~/.procmailrc ~/.procmail/rc.test * Check the file and directory permissions of your .forward (set in 5c above). Type... In order to... ------- -------------- cd Go to your home directory. ls -l .forward Check the permission: it should say -rw-r--r-- ls -ld . Check permission of home dir: it should say drwx?-x?-x The ?'s may be r's or hyphens or one of each (i.e., drwx--x--x, drwxr-xr-x, drwxr-x--x, drwx--xr-x). * If none of these turn up the problem edit your ~/.procmailrc so that it contains: VERBOSE=on And repeat steps 6 and 7. If you are still having problems see the subject "Troubleshooting: Alternate .forward Files for Procmail" below. 8a] Once you have successfully tested procmail in steps 6 and 7, create rc.folders for filtering incoming messages into mail folders. cd cd .procmail pico rc.folders 8b] Enter a modified version of the following in ~/.procmail/rc.folders :0: * ^TOwww-talk IN.www-talk :0: * ^TOprocmail IN.procmail The first recipe filters the www-talk mailing list and the second recipe filters the procmail mailing lists The meaning of the first recipe is as follows: Notation Meaning ======== ======= :0 Begin a recipe : Use a lock file * Begin a condition ^ Match the beginning of a line followed by.... TO ``To: '' ``Cc: '' or other synonyms for To, followed by any characters followed by.... www-talk ``www-talk'' IN.www-talk If successful match, put in folder $MAILDIR/IN.www-talk Create a recipe for each of your mailing lists. Make sure that you use ``^TO'' with no space between the carat (^) and the word ``TO'', and that both letters are capitalized -- if you don't it won't work. Note that ^TO is not a normal regular expression. It is a special procmail expression that is designed to catch any destination specification. See the MISCELLANEOUS section of the procmailrc(5) man page for details. For examples, see procmailex(5) man page. 9] Repeat steps 6 and 7 to make sure that things are still working. 10] Comment out the rc.test line in you .procmailrc file so that it looks like this: VERBOSE=off MAILDIR=$HOME/mail PMDIR=$HOME/.procmail LOGFILE=$PMDIR/log # INCLUDERC=$PMDIR/rc.test INCLUDERC=$PMDIR/rc.folders Note that it's useful to leave the rc.test line there for future testing. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:02:20 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 2.2 Tracking Your Incoming Mail There is a useful script, which is part of the procmail package, for checking your procmail log file called mailstat. Check to see if it is on your system by typing either ``which mailstat'' or ``type mailstat''. If it's on your system type: mailstat $HOME/.procmail/log This displays a concise version of your log file and moves your log file to log.old. You may want to put the above line in your .login so that each time you log in you will see a listing of how many messages you've received since the last time you ran mailstat, and what folders these messages were delivered to. You can get a mailstat listing of log.old by using the -o flag: mailstat -o $HOME/.procmail/log If mailstat is not on your system ask your system administrator to install it. It is located with all the other procmail tools at: ftp://ftp.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/pub/packages/procmail/procmail.tar.gz ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:02:30 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 2.3 Explanation of Test Recipe The recipe we used for testing is: :0: * ^Subject: .*test IN.testing The meaning of this recipe is: Notation Meaning ======== ======= :0 Begin a recipe : Use a lock file * Begin a condition ^ Match the beginning of a line followed by.... Subject: ``Subject:'' followed by.... . a space followed by any character (.) followed by.... * 0 or more of preceding character (any character in this case) followed by.... test ``test'' IN.testing If successful match, put in folder $MAILDIR/IN.testing ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:02:40 GMT From: "Stephen R. van den Berg" Subject: ... 2.4 Troubleshooting: Alternate .forward Files for Procmail If the .forward template in 5b above doesn't work the following alternatives might be helpful: In a perfect world: "|exec /usr/local/bin/procmail #nancym" In an almost perfect world: "|exec /usr/local/bin/procmail USER=nancym" In another world: "|IFS=' ';exec /usr/local/bin/procmail #nancym" In a different world: "|IFS=' ';exec /usr/local/bin/procmail USER=nancym" In a smrsh world: "|/usr/local/bin/procmail #nancym" These formats can be tried in different combinations, the leading "| can be tried as |" instead, or vice versa. Some systems do not need a .forward file (i.e., having a .procmailrc file suffices if procmail already is the local delivery agent). ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:02:50 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 2.5 Procmail References Manuals: procmail(1) - autonomous mail processor procmailrc(5) - procmail rc file procmailex(5) - procmail rc file examples procmailsc(5) - procmail weighted scoring techique egrep(1) - search file for regular expression (procmail uses egrep-style regular exprssions) formail(1) - mail reformatter sendmail(8) - send mail over the internet Newsgroup: comp.mail.misc Mailing List: procmail@informatik.rwth-aachen.de Subscribe to the procmail mailing list by sending mail: To: procmail-request@informatik.rwth-aachen.de Subject: subscribe Procmail Archives: Get a list of files available at the procmail mail server by sending mail: To: procmail-request@informatik.rwth-aachen.de Subject: archive ls Get Best of the Procmail mailing list by sending mail (you'll need gzip and a MIME-decoder to unpack it): To: procmail-request@informatik.rwth-aachen.de Subject: archive get best_of_procmail_list* ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:03:00 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 3.0 Filter Filter is part of the Elm package of tools. Note that you can use filter to filter your incoming mail even if you are not using Elm to read your mail. IMPORTANT NOTE ============== If your system has both procmail and filter installed then you should use procmail which is *much* more robust and powerful than filter. This recommendation is almost universal; even the developers of Elm and Filter recommend procmail over filter. IT IS POSSIBLE TO LOSE MAIL MESSAGES WHEN USING FILTER; this is rare but it has happened. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:03:10 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 3.1 Setting up Filter 1] Find out if filter is on your system and what the full path to it is. If you are using the C shell (csh) type: which filter Or, if you are using the Korn shell (ksh) or the Bourne shell (sh) type: type filter If neither ``which'' nor ``type'' are on your system try ``where'' and ``whereis''. If your system doesn't have filter ask your system administrator to install it; or even better ask her to install procmail. 2] Note the full path of your home directory by typing: cd pwd 3a] Create ~/.elm/filter-rules. (Note that throughout this article I use pico for editing files. Replace ``pico'' with your editor.) cd mkdir .elm cd .elm pico filter-rules 3b] Enter a modified version of the following in your ~/.elm/filter-rules if (subject contains "test") then save "/j/nancym/Mail/IN.testing" Replace /j/nancym with your home directory path (see step 2). Replace /Mail with the name of the directory where your mail folders are stored. Pine and Berkeley Mail use /mail (lower case m) and Elm uses /Mail (upper case M). 4] To see what the filter rule will do type the following at your Unix prompt: filter -r 5a] Create a ~/.forward file by typing the following. (Pico's -w flag tells pico not to auto wrap lines.) cd pico -w .forward 5b] Enter a modified version of the following in your ~/.forward: "|/usr/local/bin/filter -o /j/nancym/.elm/filter-errors" == IMPORTANT NOTES == * Make sure you include the quotes ("). * The vertical bar (|) is a pipe. * Replace /usr/local/bin with the correct path for filter (see step 1). * Replace /j/nancym with your home directory (see step 2). * Do NOT expect environment variables, like $HOME, to work in your .forward file. * Do NOT expect ~ to mean your home directory in the .forward file. 5c] Note that on many systems you need to make your .forward is world readable and your home directory world searchable in order for the mail transport agent to "see" it. To do this type: cd chmod 644 .forward chmod a+x . 6] Send yourself two test messages: one with ``test'' in the subject and one without ``test'' in the subject. 7a] Start your mailer (pine, elm, etc.) and check that the messages were delivered correctly. The one with ``test'' in the subject should be in the folder IN.testing and the one without ``test'' in the subject should be in your inbox. If these were delivered correctly go on to step 8. 7b] TROUBLESHOOTING * If the two messages were not delivered correctly look at your ~/.elm/filter-errors to see if you can determine what the problem is. * Check these two files for typos: ~/.forward ~/.elm/filter-rules * Check the file and directory permissions of your .forward (set in 5c above). Type... In order to... ------- -------------- cd Go to your home directory. ls -l .forward Check the permission: it should say -rw-r--r-- ls -ld . Check permission of home dir: it should say drwx?-x?-x The ?'s may be r's or hyphens or one of each (i.e., drwx--x--x, drwxr-xr-x, drwxr-x--x, drwx--xr-x). * If none of these turn up the problem edit your ~/.forward so that filter will be verbose with it's output (use the -vo flag). "|/usr/local/bin/filter -vo /j/nancym/.elm/filter-errors" And repeat steps 6 and 7. After you get filter to work you will probably want to change the ``-vo'' flag back to ``-o''. 8] After you have successfully tested filter in steps 6 and 7, edit ~/.elm/filter-rules so that it contains a modified version of the following: # if (subject contains "test") then save "/j/nancym/Mail/IN.testing" if (to contains "www-talk") then save "/j/nancym/Mail/IN.www-talk" if (to contains "hopos-l") then save "/j/nancym/Mail/IN.hopos" Replace /j/nancym with your home directory path and /Mail with the name of your mail directory. Replace the mailing list string (e.g., "www-talk") and the name of the mail folder (e.g., IN.www-talk) with text for your mailing lists. Rather than deleting the test line, it's useful to just turn it into a comment (by preceding it with #) so that you can easily use it for future testing. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:03:20 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 3.2 Tracking Your Incoming Mail You can get a short summary of filter's activity by typing: filter -s For a longer summary type: filter -S Or you can look at the log file itself, ~/.elm/filterlog. You should regularly look at ~/.elm/filter-errors to make sure things are working. You can automatically check filter-errors each time you log in by putting the following in your .login: tail ~/.elm/filter-errors Also you probably want to regularly delete filterlog and filter-errors so they don't fill up your disk space. To get a summary of the filter log and clear it type: filter -cs ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:03:30 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 3.3 Filter References Web Page: http://www.myxa.com/elm.html FAQs: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/elm/top.html Manual: filter(1) Newsgroup: comp.mail.elm ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:04:00 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 4.0 Reading Incoming Mail Folders To read an incoming mail folder use your mailer or newsreader (if it can read mail folders). For more information see documentation for your mailer or newsreader. Here are some pointers. PINE ==== FAQ: http://www.cac.washington.edu/pine/faq/ ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/docs/faq Manual: pine(1) Newsgroup: comp.mail.pine (linked to Pine mailing list) Mailing List: pine-info@cac.washington.edu (linked to Pine newsgroup) Subscribe to the pine-info mailing list by sending mail to: majordomo@cac.washington.edu With... subscribe pine-info in the body of the message. ELM === Web Page: http://www.myxa.com/elm.html FAQs: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/elm/top.html Manual: elm(1) Newsgroup: comp.mail.elm Emacs Mail Mode =============== Newsgroups: gnus.emacs.help and comp.emacs http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/GNU-Emacs-FAQ/part5/faq.html MH == FAQ: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/mh-faq/top.html Manual: mh(1) Newsgroup: comp.mail.mh MAIL ==== Manual: mail(1) Newsgroup: comp.mail.misc NN == FAQ: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/nn-faq/top.html Manual: nn(1) Newsgroup: news.software.nn (Does anyone know if nn uses lock files? Is there any problem using nn to read a mail folder that is receiving mail? Please let me know!) (Also, please let me know what other newsreaders can read mail folders?) ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:05:00 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 5.0 Contributing to this FAQ If you have any corrections, suggestions, or new digest items to contribute to this FAQ please send them to me at nancym@ii.com. If you are reading this with a viewer that understands the following URL you can use it to send me mail: mailto:nancym@ii.com Between official releases of this FAQ the plain text (ascii) version of the most up to date version of it is at: ftp://ftp.halcyon.com/pub/ii/Internet/filtering_mail_faq End of Filtering Mail Digest **************************** -- /\_/\ ( o.o ) Nancy McGough http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ > ^ < Infinite Ink ftp://ftp.halcyon.com/pub/ii From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 17 16:36:08 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02064; Thu, 17 Nov 94 16:36:08 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05060; Thu, 17 Nov 94 16:30:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05054; Thu, 17 Nov 94 16:30:25 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r8Gtl-00000JC; Thu, 17 Nov 94 16:09 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Tom Rogers Subject: Pine Dictionary & spell checking Date: 17 Nov 1994 17:49:56 GMT Message-Id: <3ag544$3i0@news-feed-1.PeachNet.EDU> Is there a way to add words to the dictionary? I'm using 3.89 on AIX. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 17 16:38:10 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02158; Thu, 17 Nov 94 16:38:10 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07469; Thu, 17 Nov 94 16:23:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07463; Thu, 17 Nov 94 16:23:33 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r8Glf-00001HC; Thu, 17 Nov 94 16:01 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pgallot@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Acme Prez.) Subject: Re: How to post news through pine or elm? Date: 17 Nov 1994 21:57:16 GMT Message-Id: <3agjjs$iqa@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <397934$pjg@spool.cs.wisc.edu> <3agb0t$on9@crl5.crl.com> in response to what slr@crl.com (S. Rennacker) wrote: &One response said that you could use PINE to do this, another indicated &neither PINE nor ELM could be thus used - which is correct? the *newest* version of pine allows you to read netnews... personally, I feel that the two are different enough that it's worth it to keep a distinction between mail and netnews. &Isn't there some standard internet addressing format that enables one to &send a post to a conference and, if so, what is it? Isn't there such a &convention to use to post to mailing lists to which one is not a regular &subscriber ("listserve@UKCC.uky.edu" for example)? Patrick -- _______________________________________________________________________________ | Patrick Gallot | University of Illinois student, | This blank space | | pgallot@uiuc.edu | CCSO Student Consultant, | brought to you by | | C'est moi. | but _NOT_ spokesperson. | ACME advertising!| From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 17 19:00:22 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07551; Thu, 17 Nov 94 19:00:22 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10074; Thu, 17 Nov 94 18:35:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10068; Thu, 17 Nov 94 18:35:14 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r8Ipu-00001kC; Thu, 17 Nov 94 18:14 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pcr@netcom.com (Kenneth W. Williams) Subject: HELP!!!!! Message-Id: Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 18:47:10 GMT Is there anyone who can tell me an easy way to get an e-mail message onto a subdirectory on my c-drive. Thanks, Kenny From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 17 20:05:57 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09223; Thu, 17 Nov 94 20:05:57 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08477; Thu, 17 Nov 94 19:48:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08471; Thu, 17 Nov 94 19:48:31 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r8K18-00000JC; Thu, 17 Nov 94 19:29 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: kirk Subject: PC-Pine & IMAP Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:46:26 GMT Message-Id: <3agq0i$qen@oak.oakland.edu> To someone with the know how I have set up pine to read my mail on a UNIX account on a PC from home. Here's the problem: Pine uses IMAP UNIX port 143 to read mail. My sUNIX server does not surport port 143. It uses ports 25 SMTP , 109 pop2 & 110 pop3. Question? Is there a way to set up pine on either of these ports 25, 109, 110 so that I can use PC-pine from home. I know some would say just setup aIMAP on the UNIX server but that is not an option I wanted to take. Any help will be most aperciated, and remember that PC-PINE I need to set the port for. Thankx N advance kirk@enterprise.eng.wayne.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 17 21:43:06 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11586; Thu, 17 Nov 94 21:43:06 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12516; Thu, 17 Nov 94 21:27:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12510; Thu, 17 Nov 94 21:27:04 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r8LVY-00001rC; Thu, 17 Nov 94 21:05 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sonam@intac.com (Sonam) Subject: Re: IBM-XT and Pine?? Date: 17 Nov 1994 20:19:37 GMT Message-Id: <3agdsp$91a@uucp.intac.com> References: <3a0msg$moj@xmission.xmission.com> In comp.mail.pine, aerochem@xmission.com (Aerochem) writes: >Hi, >I'm trying to help my brother log on to his new internet >srver (eskimo.com) and he is having problems with pine. >We've tried several different terminal emulations, vt100, >ibmxxx, etc etc and some work ok with everything else at >eskimo but when it comes time to use pine he gets a message >saying that this terminal is not supported by pine or else he >gets garbled blah blah blah. >Anybody out there that can help us figure out what >to do to get his IBM XT to work with pine? >Many many thanks! >Bret Hi! I've had some problems with screen junk, and found that it was the software; not all packages that say they are emulating vt-100 actually do. I switched to Procomm Plus v2.01 and now have no more problems. Hope this was of some help! (Since I was using a well-known communications software previously). -- Peace, Sonam (Internet: sonam@intac.com) "May all sentient beings be free from suffering and the causes of suffering" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 17 21:57:09 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12051; Thu, 17 Nov 94 21:57:09 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10237; Thu, 17 Nov 94 21:49:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from plumtree.async.vt.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10231; Thu, 17 Nov 94 21:49:21 -0800 Received: by java (Smail3.1.28.1 #18) id m0r8HU9-000B5kC; Thu, 17 Nov 94 19:47 EST Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 19:47:28 -0500 (EST) From: Laurence Lundblade X-Sender: lgl@java To: kirk Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: PC-Pine & IMAP In-Reply-To: <3agq0i$qen@oak.oakland.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Kirk, The short answer is "no". PCPine needs an IMAP server and can't use a POP or SMTP server for reading mail, though it does use SMTP for sending mail. Also, the important thing is the protocol, not the port number. It's possible to set up a POP server on port 143 but it cause all sorts of havoc because programs connecting to port 143 would expect the IMAP protocol, not the POP protocol. Laurence Lundblade LGL@CSGrad.CS.VT.EDU (and a few other addresses) http://oneworld.wa.com/laurence/home.html Virginia Tech CS -- Blacksburg, Virginia, US -- 703-552-2537 On 17 Nov 1994, kirk wrote: > To someone with the know how > > I have set up pine to read my mail on a UNIX account > on a PC from home. Here's the problem: > > Pine uses IMAP UNIX port 143 to read mail. My sUNIX server > does not surport port 143. It uses ports 25 SMTP , 109 pop2 > & 110 pop3. > > Question? Is there a way to set up pine on either of these > ports 25, 109, 110 so that I can use PC-pine from home. > I know some would say just setup aIMAP on the UNIX server > but that is not an option I wanted to take. > > > Any help will be most aperciated, and remember that PC-PINE > I need to set the port for. > > Thankx N advance > kirk@enterprise.eng.wayne.edu > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 17 22:49:17 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13177; Thu, 17 Nov 94 22:49:17 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10984; Thu, 17 Nov 94 22:41:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10978; Thu, 17 Nov 94 22:41:41 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r8MZU-00001rC; Thu, 17 Nov 94 22:13 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: liam@durie.wanganui.gen.nz (Liam Greenwood) Subject: Re: signature Message-Id: <1994Nov16.070350.5457@durie.wanganui.gen.nz> References: <3a838o$58k@nx2.hrz.uni-dortmund.de> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 07:03:50 GMT Ed Greshko (egreshko@hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com) wrote: > On 14 Nov 1994, Klaus Wacker wrote: > > Both elm and tin add a line containing two dashes in front of the > > signature. Pine doesn't. Why not? Isn't this some kind of standard? > There is no such standard. > If you'd like, add the dashes to your signature file. 1. It's two dashes AND a space at the beginning of the line : "-- " 2. It is a standard. A number of news and mail UAs recognise it as meaning 'The rest of the message is a .sig' and allow the user to ignore it by default if they wish. Cheers, Liam From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 17 23:01:16 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13438; Thu, 17 Nov 94 23:01:16 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11164; Thu, 17 Nov 94 22:53:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11158; Thu, 17 Nov 94 22:53:18 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r8Mky-00001uC; Thu, 17 Nov 94 22:25 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: PC-Pine & IMAP Date: 18 Nov 94 02:18:57 GMT Message-Id: References: <3agq0i$qen@oak.oakland.edu> kirk writes: >To someone with the know how > I have set up pine to read my mail on a UNIX account >on a PC from home. Here's the problem: >Pine uses IMAP UNIX port 143 to read mail. My sUNIX server >does not surport port 143. It uses ports 25 SMTP , 109 pop2 >& 110 pop3. >Question? Is there a way to set up pine on either of these >ports 25, 109, 110 so that I can use PC-pine from home. >I know some would say just setup aIMAP on the UNIX server >but that is not an option I wanted to take. What you have just told us is that IMAP is not supported on your UNIX server. Why are you trying to use it? It has to be installed and configured, it is not standard UNIX. >Any help will be most aperciated, and remember that PC-PINE >I need to set the port for. > Thankx N advance > kirk@enterprise.eng.wayne.edu -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)313-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Gopher,chimera,nn,tin,jove,modems, free code is best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 17 23:01:17 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13440; Thu, 17 Nov 94 23:01:17 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13718; Thu, 17 Nov 94 22:53:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13712; Thu, 17 Nov 94 22:53:15 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r8MiC-00001tC; Thu, 17 Nov 94 22:22 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? Date: 18 Nov 94 02:12:27 GMT Message-Id: References: <3a10pb$mq1@crl.crl.com> <3a7oek$bv4@crl5.crl.com> <3ag88r$nrb@crl5.crl.com> dseitel@crl.com (David S. Eitelbach) writes: >David L Miller wrote: >> Now we are getting to the root of the problem. >No we're not. The problem is that the way pine is now configured, >the PRIVATE email of an innocent person can be inadvertently posted >publicly by someone else. That's the problem--not whether or not >Pine passed RFC muster. [...] >It's dangerous. It stinks. And it's already happening. >Ironically, Pine is touted as the choice for novice users. At least it does not offer the novice the choice of editing her spool file with vi, as elm does, which results in a number of corrupted mail spool files each week at our site. >> For more discussion of the Newsgroups: header, see the flamewar >> that has been raging in comp.mail.headers for the last month or >> so. Please do not restart it here, thanks. There would be no need to carry on about this if the team would admit that there is more than one cognitive map of how news and mail work. They also want to insist that there is no modality between news and mail usage. >This would have been more credibly directed toward Mr. Kooijman >earlier in the thread, Mr. Miller. >David S. Eitelbach >dseitel@crl.com The failure to make this configurable befouls an otherwise excellent product (except the the Bcc problem). Standing firm, side by side by side. -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)313-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Gopher,chimera,nn,tin,jove,modems, free code is best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 17 23:45:19 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14261; Thu, 17 Nov 94 23:45:19 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14293; Thu, 17 Nov 94 23:37:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14287; Thu, 17 Nov 94 23:37:29 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r8NS7-00001HC; Thu, 17 Nov 94 23:09 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Sven Guckes Subject: Re: How to post news through pine or elm? Message-Id: References: <397934$pjg@spool.cs.wisc.edu> <3agb0t$on9@crl5.crl.com> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 03:14:19 GMT slr@crl.com (S. Rennacker) writes: [Posting via email] >One response said that you could use PINE to do this, another indicated >neither PINE nor ELM could be thus used - which is correct? Neither is correct. You can post via email by sending it via a mail->news gateway. This should not depend on the mailer you use. >Isn't there some standard internet addressing format that enables one to >send a post to a conference and, if so, what is it? It's a FAQ. :-) See the ELM FAQ: 2.19 Can I use elm for posting and replying to news? Sven -- [940923] Where to look for the ELM FAQ: Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm,comp.answers,news.answers ftp://ftp.cs.ruu.nl/pub/NEWS.ANSWERS/elm/FAQ ftp://ftp.myxa.com/pub/elm/Elm-FAQ.Z http://www.myxa.com/elm/elm.faq.html From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 17 23:52:39 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14412; Thu, 17 Nov 94 23:52:39 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11832; Thu, 17 Nov 94 23:45:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11826; Thu, 17 Nov 94 23:45:20 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r8Nb2-00001kC; Thu, 17 Nov 94 23:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Sven Guckes Subject: ELM is a Mail User Agent! Message-Id: References: <397934$pjg@spool.cs.wisc.edu> <1994Nov17.062956.16793@news.vanderbilt.edu> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 03:21:43 GMT I wrote in a followup to "How to post news through pine or elm?": >Well, ELM is an mail transport agent - not a newsreader. setzerkl@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (a very mysterious person) corrects me: >I hope you're wearing asbestos attire. Elm and pine are "mail user agents". >Sendmail, smail, et. al. are mta's Indeed! ELM is a "Mail _User_ Agent" - not a "Mail Transport Agent". Thanks for the correction! Sven [on fire] -- Read all about agents in "alt.conspiracy"! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 18 00:18:30 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14910; Fri, 18 Nov 94 00:18:30 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14653; Fri, 18 Nov 94 00:08:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14647; Fri, 18 Nov 94 00:08:53 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r8NxH-00001xC; Thu, 17 Nov 94 23:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 23:30:41 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3ag88r$nrb@crl5.crl.com> On 17 Nov 1994, David S. Eitelbach wrote: > MY PRIVATE EMAIL, AS PART OF YOUR ALSO POSTED REPLY, > IS NOW POSTED TO A PUBLIC NEWSGROUP THROUGH NO FAULT OF MY OWN. Let me get this straight. You use a news reader that sends mail, and in that mail it implies that the message was posted to a newsgroup. The recipient of your email message sees that it appears to have been posted to a newsgroup as well, and he decides to post his reply to that newsgroup too. Your contend that it is the recipient's fault (or the fault of the recipient's software) that he made that assumption, and not your fault (or your mail sending software) for implying that in the first place. We disagree. It would be better to fix the mail composer which makes such false implications. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 18 00:36:25 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15347; Fri, 18 Nov 94 00:36:25 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12247; Fri, 18 Nov 94 00:19:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12241; Fri, 18 Nov 94 00:19:06 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r8OB2-00001kC; Thu, 17 Nov 94 23:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Filtering Mail FAQ Date: 18 Nov 1994 07:50:30 GMT Message-Id: Archive-name: mail/filtering-faq Posting-frequency: approximately monthly Last-modified: 17 November 1994 _____________________________________________________ _________| |_________ \ | | / \ | FILTERING MAIL FAQ | / \ | | / \ | | / / | Copyright (c) 1994 Nancy McGough | \ / | | \ / |_____________________________________________________| \ /____________) (___________\ TABLE OF CONTENTS 0.0 About this Article ... 0.1 Copyright Notice ... 0.2 Acknowledgements ... 0.3 Terminology and Notation ... 0.4 Getting the Latest Version of This Article ... 0.5 Reading the Hypertext Version of This Article ... 0.6 Reading the Plain Text Version of This Article 1.0 Naming Your Incoming Mail Folders 2.0 Procmail ... 2.1 Setting Up Procmail ... 2.2 Tracking Your Incoming Mail ... 2.3 Explanation of Test Recipe ... 2.4 Troubleshooting: Alternate .forward Files for Procmail ... 2.5 Procmail References 3.0 Filter ... 3.1 Setting up Filter ... 3.2 Tracking Your Incoming Mail ... 3.3 Filter References 4.0 Reading Incoming Mail Folders 5.0 Contributing to this FAQ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:00:00 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 0.0 About this Article Q: How can I have my incoming mail messages automatically put into an appropriate folder? This is one of the most frequently asked questions about email. This article is the first release of an FAQ that addresses this question. This version gives basic instructions for how to set up either procmail or Elm's filter to filter incoming mailing list messages. Future versions of this FAQ will include instructions for doing other things like automatically replying to certain messages. If your system has both procmail and filter installed then you should use procmail which is *much* more robust and powerful than filter. This recommendation is almost universal; even the Elm and filter developers recommend procmail over filter. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:00:10 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 0.1 Copyright Notice Copyright (c) 1994 by Nancy McGough. No portion of this work may be sold or put to commercial use without express written consent of the author. This restriction covers publication in any form, or distribution by any method, which permits this work to be visually perceived, either directly or with the aid of any machine or device. Permission is granted to republish or redistribute this article in its entirety for noncommercial use if this copyright notice is not removed or altered. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:00:20 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 0.2 Acknowledgements Thanks to these people who sent suggestions: David L. Miller Cookie Monster Jim Showalter David W. Tamkin Rick Troxel Stephen R. van den Berg Syd Weinstein Special thanks to: Thomas A. Fine for setting up and maintaining the hypertext archive of FAQs. Congratulations to him for winning O'Reilly and Associates' "The Best of the Net" award! Please let me know if I've left you, or anyone else, out of this list. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:00:30 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 0.3 Terminology and Notation Term Meaning ==== ======= FTP File Transfer Protocol HTML HyperText Markup Language HTTP HyperText Transport Protocol mailer Mail user agent (MUA) such as Pine or Elm pico PIne COmposer - friendly editor that's part of the Pine package RFC Internet "Request For Comments" document URL Uniform Resource Locator (specified in RFC1630) ^x Press the Ctrl key and then, while holding down the Ctrl key, press the x key ~ Your home directory $HOME (see * below) * In this article I use ~ (tilde) to mean your home directory. Note that some shells, such as the Bourne shell (sh), do not understand the tilde notation so you will need to use $HOME instead. You can always get to your home directory by typing ``cd''. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:00:40 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 0.4 Getting the Latest Version of This Article If this article is over two months old then there is probably an updated version of it in all the usual archives. Please get the latest version from one of these places: World Wide Web (the nicest format for online reading!): http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/mail/filtering-faq/faq.html Anonymous FTP: ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/mail/filtering-faq Email: Send mail to mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu containing the following: send usenet/news.answers/mail/filtering-faq UUCP: uunet!/archive/usenet/news.answers/mail/filtering-faq ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:00:50 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 0.5 Reading the Hypertext Version of This Article The best way to read this FAQ (and most other FAQs too) is to view the hypertext version using a Web browser such as Lynx, Mosaic, Netscape, WinWeb, or Cello. This will allow you to easily jump: * between subjects in this article * to a Uniform Resource Locator (URL) * to an Internet Request For Comments document (RFC) * to some manual pages This, and all FAQs that are crossposted to news.answers, can be accessed through: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/top.html This particular FAQ is at: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/mail/filtering-faq/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:00:60 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 0.6 Reading the Plain Text Version of This Article If you are reading the plain text version (i.e., not the hypertext version) of this FAQ it is in RFC1153 digest format which means each subject is formatted as a mini mail message with its own Date, From, and Subject (and sometimes Followup-To) headers. Some newsreaders and mailers make it really easy to jump to a subject in an article that is in digest format. Here are instruction for some newsreaders: * NN's default is to split a digest and present each digest item on the menu. If you have changed the default by putting ``set split off'' in your ~/.nn/init file then you can split an article that is in digest format by typing G% while viewing it. This will present each digest item on a submenu. You can then read, followup-to, save, print, etc. individual digest items. * In trn (and its relatives like rn and strn) you can type ^g (Ctrl key and g key pressed together) to skip to the next line that begins with "Subject: " * In emacs GNUS, C-c C-n will skip to the next digest article (C-C C-p will go back to the previous digest article). If your newsreader or mailer does not have a built-in command that allows you to easily read a digest you can pipe the article to ``formail -ds'' which will split the article into separate mail messages, and then you can use your mailer or newsreader (if it can read mail folders) to read the folder. For example, here's what you would do in Tin while viewing the article: Type... In order to... ------- -------------- | Pipe a Specify the article is to be piped formail -ds >> ~/mail/faq.split Split the digest into individual messages and put them in a file named ~/mail/faq.split. (Replace ~/mail with your folder directory.) pine -if faq.split Use Pine to read the newly created folder. For more information see the formail(1) man pages. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:01:00 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 1.0 Naming Your Incoming Mail Folders For my incoming mail folders I use names that start with ``IN''. For example, I put mail sent to the procmail mailing list into a folder named IN.procmail. I do this so that when all my folders are listed alphabetically the incoming folders are together and near the top. They are near the top because Unix is case sensitive and upper case letters come before lower case letters in an ascii sort. Of course, you can use any names you like for your mail folders. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:02:00 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 2.0 Procmail Procmail is a powerful mail processor that can be used to process your mail messages either as they arrive or after they are in a mail folder. This version of the FAQ describes the basics of setting up procmail to filter incoming mailing list messages. To find out how to process existing mail folders see the NOTES section of the procmail(1) man page. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:02:10 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 2.1 Setting Up Procmail 1] Find out if procmail is on your system and what the full path to it is. If you are using csh type: which procmail Or if you are using sh or ksh type: type procmail If neither ``which'' nor ``type'' are on your system try ``whereis'' and ``where''. If your system doesn't have procmail ask your system administrator to install it. If your sys admin isn't able to do this, use a different mail processor like deliver, mailagent, or filter (described in part 2 of this FAQ). 2a] Create ~/.procmailrc. (Note that throughout this article I use pico for editing files. Replace ``pico'' with your editor.) cd pico .procmailrc 2b] Enter a modified version of the following in your ~/.procmailrc. Note that lines that begin with # are comments and are ignored by procmail. #Set on when debugging VERBOSE=off #Replace ``mail'' with your mail directory (Pine uses mail, Elm uses Mail) MAILDIR=$HOME/mail #Directory for storing procmail log and rc files PMDIR=$HOME/.procmail LOGFILE=$PMDIR/log INCLUDERC=$PMDIR/rc.test INCLUDERC=$PMDIR/rc.folders 3] Create the directory where you will store your procmail log and rc files (this is $PMDIR that you set above). cd mkdir .procmail 4a] Create an rc (run commands) file for testing: cd cd .procmail pico rc.test 4b] Enter the following in ~/.procmail/rc.test: :0: * ^Subject: .*test IN.testing Note that the first line contains a zero (0), not the letter "oh". For now, don't worry about the meaning of this recipe. It is explained in the subject "Explanation of Test Recipe" below. 5a] Create a ~/.forward file by typing the following. (Pico's -w flag tells pico not to auto wrap lines.) cd pico -w .forward 5b] Enter a modified version of the following in your ~/.forward: "|IFS=' ' && exec /usr/local/bin/procmail -f- || exit 75 #nancym" == IMPORTANT NOTES == * Make sure you include all the quotes, both double (") and single ('). * The vertical bar (|) is a pipe. * Replace /usr/local/bin with the correct path for procmail (see step 1). * Replace ``nancym'' with your userid. You need to put your userid in your .forward so that it will be different than any other .forward file on your system. * Do NOT use environment variables, like $HOME, in your .forward file. * Do NOT expect ~ to mean your home directory in the .forward file: If procmail resides below your home directory write out the *full* path. 5c] Note that on many systems you need to make your .forward world readable and your home directory world searchable in order for the mail transport agent to "see" it. To do this type: cd chmod 644 .forward chmod a+x . 6] Send yourself two test messages: one with ``test'' in the subject and one without ``test'' in the subject. 7a] Start your mailer (pine, elm, etc.) and check that the messages were delivered correctly. The one with ``test'' in the subject should be in the folder $MAILDIR/IN.testing and the one without ``test'' in the subject should be in your inbox. If these were delivered correctly go on to step 8. 7b] TROUBLESHOOTING * If the two messages were not delivered correctly look at your $LOGFILE (~/.procmail/log) to see if you can determine what the problem is. * Check these three files for typos: ~/.forward ~/.procmailrc ~/.procmail/rc.test * Check the file and directory permissions of your .forward (set in 5c above). Type... In order to... ------- -------------- cd Go to your home directory. ls -l .forward Check the permission: it should say -rw-r--r-- ls -ld . Check permission of home dir: it should say drwx?-x?-x The ?'s may be r's or hyphens or one of each (i.e., drwx--x--x, drwxr-xr-x, drwxr-x--x, drwx--xr-x). * If none of these turn up the problem edit your ~/.procmailrc so that it contains: VERBOSE=on And repeat steps 6 and 7. If you are still having problems see the subject "Troubleshooting: Alternate .forward Files for Procmail" below. 8a] Once you have successfully tested procmail in steps 6 and 7, create rc.folders for filtering incoming messages into mail folders. cd cd .procmail pico rc.folders 8b] Enter a modified version of the following in ~/.procmail/rc.folders :0: * ^TOwww-talk IN.www-talk :0: * ^TOprocmail IN.procmail The first recipe filters the www-talk mailing list and the second recipe filters the procmail mailing lists The meaning of the first recipe is as follows: Notation Meaning ======== ======= :0 Begin a recipe : Use a lock file * Begin a condition ^TO Match ``To:'' ``Cc:'' or other synonyms for To at the beginning of a line, followed by any or no characters, followed by.... www-talk ``www-talk'' IN.www-talk If successful match, put in folder $MAILDIR/IN.www-talk Create a recipe for each of your mailing lists. Make sure that you use ``^TO'' with no space between the caret (^) and the word ``TO'', and that both letters are capitalized -- if you don't it won't work. Note that ^TO is not a normal regular expression. It is a special procmail expression that is designed to catch any destination specification. See the MISCELLANEOUS section of the procmailrc(5) man page for details. For examples, see procmailex(5) man page. 9] Repeat steps 6 and 7 to make sure that things are still working. 10] Comment out the rc.test line in you .procmailrc file so that it looks like this: VERBOSE=off MAILDIR=$HOME/mail PMDIR=$HOME/.procmail LOGFILE=$PMDIR/log # INCLUDERC=$PMDIR/rc.test INCLUDERC=$PMDIR/rc.folders Note that it's useful to leave the rc.test line there for future testing. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:02:20 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 2.2 Tracking Your Incoming Mail There is a useful script, which is part of the procmail package, for checking your procmail log file called mailstat. Check to see if it is on your system by typing either ``which mailstat'' or ``type mailstat''. If it's on your system type: mailstat $HOME/.procmail/log This displays a concise version of your log file and moves your log file to log.old. You may want to put the above line in your .login so that each time you log in you will see a listing of how many messages you've received since the last time you ran mailstat, and what folders these messages were delivered to. You can get a mailstat listing of log.old by using the -o flag: mailstat -o $HOME/.procmail/log If mailstat is not on your system ask your system administrator to install it. It is located with all the other procmail tools at: ftp://ftp.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/pub/packages/procmail/procmail.tar.gz ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:02:30 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 2.3 Explanation of Test Recipe The recipe we used for testing is: :0: * ^Subject: .*test IN.testing The meaning of this recipe is: Notation Meaning ======== ======= :0 Begin a recipe : Use a lock file * Begin a condition ^ Match the beginning of a line followed by.... Subject: ``Subject:'' followed by.... . a space followed by any character (.) followed by.... * 0 or more of preceding character (any character in this case) followed by.... test ``test'' IN.testing If successful match, put in folder $MAILDIR/IN.testing ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:02:40 GMT From: "Stephen R. van den Berg" Subject: ... 2.4 Troubleshooting: Alternate .forward Files for Procmail If the .forward template in 5b above doesn't work the following alternatives might be helpful: In a perfect world: "|exec /usr/local/bin/procmail #nancym" In an almost perfect world: "|exec /usr/local/bin/procmail USER=nancym" In another world: "|IFS=' ';exec /usr/local/bin/procmail #nancym" In a different world: "|IFS=' ';exec /usr/local/bin/procmail USER=nancym" In a smrsh world: "|/usr/local/bin/procmail #nancym" These formats can be tried in different combinations, the leading "| can be tried as |" instead, or vice versa. Some systems do not need a .forward file (i.e., having a .procmailrc file suffices if procmail already is the local delivery agent). ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:02:50 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 2.5 Procmail References Manuals: procmail(1) - autonomous mail processor procmailrc(5) - procmail rc file procmailex(5) - procmail rc file examples procmailsc(5) - procmail weighted scoring techique egrep(1) - search file for regular expression (procmail uses egrep-style regular exprssions along with some of its own expressions like ^TO) formail(1) - mail reformatter sendmail(8) - send mail over the internet Newsgroup: comp.mail.misc Mailing List: procmail@informatik.rwth-aachen.de Subscribe to the procmail mailing list by sending mail: To: procmail-request@informatik.rwth-aachen.de Subject: subscribe Procmail Archives: Get a list of files available at the procmail mail server by sending mail: To: procmail-request@informatik.rwth-aachen.de Subject: archive ls Get Best of the Procmail mailing list by sending mail (you'll need gzip and a MIME-decoder to unpack it): To: procmail-request@informatik.rwth-aachen.de Subject: archive get best_of_procmail_list* ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:03:00 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 3.0 Filter Filter is part of the Elm package of tools. Note that you can use filter to filter your incoming mail even if you are not using Elm to read your mail. IMPORTANT NOTE ============== If your system has both procmail and filter installed then you should use procmail which is *much* more robust and powerful than filter. This recommendation is almost universal; even the developers of Elm and Filter recommend procmail over filter. IT IS POSSIBLE TO LOSE MAIL MESSAGES WHEN USING FILTER; this is rare but it has happened. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:03:10 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 3.1 Setting up Filter Followup-To: comp.mail.elm 1] Find out if filter is on your system and what the full path to it is. If you are using the C shell (csh) type: which filter Or, if you are using the Korn shell (ksh) or the Bourne shell (sh) type: type filter If neither ``which'' nor ``type'' are on your system try ``where'' and ``whereis''. If your system doesn't have filter ask your system administrator to install it; or even better ask her to install procmail. 2] Note the full path of your home directory by typing: cd pwd 3a] Create ~/.elm/filter-rules. (Note that throughout this article I use pico for editing files. Replace ``pico'' with your editor.) cd mkdir .elm cd .elm pico filter-rules 3b] Enter a modified version of the following in your ~/.elm/filter-rules if (subject contains "test") then save "/j/nancym/Mail/IN.testing" Replace /j/nancym with your home directory path (see step 2). Replace /Mail with the name of the directory where your mail folders are stored. Pine and Berkeley Mail use /mail (lower case m) and Elm uses /Mail (upper case M). 4] To see what the filter rule will do type the following at your Unix prompt: filter -r 5a] Create a ~/.forward file by typing the following. (Pico's -w flag tells pico not to auto wrap lines.) cd pico -w .forward 5b] Enter a modified version of the following in your ~/.forward: "|/usr/local/bin/filter -o /j/nancym/.elm/filter-errors" == IMPORTANT NOTES == * Make sure you include the quotes ("). * The vertical bar (|) is a pipe. * Replace /usr/local/bin with the correct path for filter (see step 1). * Replace /j/nancym with your home directory (see step 2). * Do NOT expect environment variables, like $HOME, to work in your .forward file. * Do NOT expect ~ to mean your home directory in the .forward file. 5c] Note that on many systems you need to make your .forward is world readable and your home directory world searchable in order for the mail transport agent to "see" it. To do this type: cd chmod 644 .forward chmod a+x . 6] Send yourself two test messages: one with ``test'' in the subject and one without ``test'' in the subject. 7a] Start your mailer (pine, elm, etc.) and check that the messages were delivered correctly. The one with ``test'' in the subject should be in the folder IN.testing and the one without ``test'' in the subject should be in your inbox. If these were delivered correctly go on to step 8. 7b] TROUBLESHOOTING * If the two messages were not delivered correctly look at your ~/.elm/filter-errors to see if you can determine what the problem is. * Check these two files for typos: ~/.forward ~/.elm/filter-rules * Check the file and directory permissions of your .forward (set in 5c above). Type... In order to... ------- -------------- cd Go to your home directory. ls -l .forward Check the permission: it should say -rw-r--r-- ls -ld . Check permission of home dir: it should say drwx?-x?-x The ?'s may be r's or hyphens or one of each (i.e., drwx--x--x, drwxr-xr-x, drwxr-x--x, drwx--xr-x). * If none of these turn up the problem edit your ~/.forward so that filter will be verbose with it's output (use the -vo flag). "|/usr/local/bin/filter -vo /j/nancym/.elm/filter-errors" And repeat steps 6 and 7. After you get filter to work you will probably want to change the ``-vo'' flag back to ``-o''. 8] After you have successfully tested filter in steps 6 and 7, edit ~/.elm/filter-rules so that it contains a modified version of the following: # if (subject contains "test") then save "/j/nancym/Mail/IN.testing" if (to contains "www-talk") then save "/j/nancym/Mail/IN.www-talk" if (to contains "hopos-l") then save "/j/nancym/Mail/IN.hopos" Replace /j/nancym with your home directory path and /Mail with the name of your mail directory. Replace the mailing list string (e.g., "www-talk") and the name of the mail folder (e.g., IN.www-talk) with text for your mailing lists. Note that ``to contains...'' means either the To or Cc header contains... Rather than deleting the test line, it's useful to just turn it into a comment (by preceding it with #) so that you can easily use it for future testing. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:03:20 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 3.2 Tracking Your Incoming Mail Followup-To: comp.mail.elm You can get a short summary of filter's activity by typing: filter -s For a longer summary type: filter -S Or you can look at the log file itself, ~/.elm/filterlog. You should regularly look at ~/.elm/filter-errors to make sure things are working. You can automatically check filter-errors each time you log in by putting the following in your .login: tail ~/.elm/filter-errors Also you probably want to regularly delete filterlog and filter-errors so they don't fill up your disk space. To get a summary of the filter log and clear it type: filter -cs ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:03:30 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 3.3 Filter References Followup-To: comp.mail.elm Web Page: http://www.myxa.com/elm.html FAQs: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/elm/top.html Manual: filter(1) Newsgroup: comp.mail.elm ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:04:00 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 4.0 Reading Incoming Mail Folders To read an incoming mail folder use your mailer or newsreader (if it can read mail folders). For more information see documentation for your mailer or newsreader. Here are some pointers. PINE ==== FAQ: http://www.cac.washington.edu/pine/faq/ ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/docs/faq Manual: pine(1) Newsgroup: comp.mail.pine (linked to Pine mailing list) Mailing List: pine-info@cac.washington.edu (linked to Pine newsgroup) Subscribe to the pine-info mailing list by sending mail to: majordomo@cac.washington.edu With... subscribe pine-info in the body of the message. ELM === Web Page: http://www.myxa.com/elm.html FAQs: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/elm/top.html Manual: elm(1) Newsgroup: comp.mail.elm Emacs Mail Mode =============== Newsgroups: gnus.emacs.help and comp.emacs http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/GNU-Emacs-FAQ/part5/faq.html MH == FAQ: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/mh-faq/top.html Manual: mh(1) Newsgroup: comp.mail.mh MAIL ==== Manual: mail(1) Newsgroup: comp.mail.misc NN == FAQ: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/nn-faq/top.html Manual: nn(1) Newsgroup: news.software.nn (Does anyone know if nn uses lock files? Is there any problem using nn to read a mail folder that is receiving mail? Please let me know!) (Also, please let me know what other newsreaders can read mail folders?) ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:05:00 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 5.0 Contributing to this FAQ If you have any corrections, suggestions, or new digest items to contribute to this FAQ please send them to me at nancym@ii.com. If you are reading this with a viewer that understands the following URL you can use it to send me mail: mailto:nancym@ii.com Between official releases of this FAQ the plain text (ascii) version of the most up to date version of it is at: ftp://ftp.halcyon.com/pub/ii/Internet/filtering_mail_faq End of Filtering Mail Digest **************************** -- /\_/\ ( o.o ) Nancy McGough http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ > ^ < Infinite Ink ftp://ftp.halcyon.com/pub/ii From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 18 01:47:05 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17244; Fri, 18 Nov 94 01:47:05 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15939; Fri, 18 Nov 94 01:38:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from stein3.u.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15933; Fri, 18 Nov 94 01:38:07 -0800 Received: by stein3.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16604; Fri, 18 Nov 94 01:38:07 -0800 X-Sender: micah@stein3.u.washington.edu Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 01:38:07 -0800 (PST) From: Micah Anderson To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Making pine invoke uux for uucp Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII How can I configure pine to appropriatly run uux with the right arguments so that the mail that is being sent is queued into the uucp directories for uucp sending? If anyone is out there that has done this, please contact me. Thanks in advance, Micah From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 18 03:46:25 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19830; Fri, 18 Nov 94 03:46:25 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17472; Fri, 18 Nov 94 03:41:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17466; Fri, 18 Nov 94 03:41:30 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r8RIR-00001KC; Fri, 18 Nov 94 03:16 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Jonas.Regmyr@telelogic.se (Jonas Regmyr) Subject: Postpone -> BUG Date: 18 Nov 1994 10:53:49 GMT Message-Id: <3ai13t$bha@remus.telelogic.se> Hmm, Is this just me or... Has anyone noticed that if you Postpone a msg, then do something else (in Pine), press Compose, answer Yes to finish Postponed msg, finish the mail and then Send it with ^X Pine will bug out and no msg will be sent? We are running SunOS 4.1.3 and Solaris 2.3 with v3.91 of Pine and the problem appears on both systems. Anyone???? /Jonas... __________________________________________________________________ Mail: Jonas Regmyr Email: Jonas.Regmyr@telelogic.se Carl Hillsgatan 9 dat91jre@ludat.lth.se S-217 56 Malmoe Sweden jr@df.lth.se Phone: +46 (0)40 91 42 41 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 18 04:20:20 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21155; Fri, 18 Nov 94 04:20:20 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18115; Fri, 18 Nov 94 04:15:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mail.med.cornell.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18109; Fri, 18 Nov 94 04:15:55 -0800 Received: (from hagberg@localhost) by mail.med.cornell.edu (8.6.9/ech1.75) id HAA02205; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 07:15:52 -0500 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 07:15:50 -0500 (EST) From: Eric C Hagberg To: "R. Stewart Ellis" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 18 Nov 1994, R. Stewart Ellis wrote: > > The failure to make this configurable befouls an otherwise excellent product > (except the the Bcc problem). Why don't you just read news with tin if you've got such a problem with the way pine handles this, and put lines in your system-wide pine.conf.fixed file disabling news-reading or posting from within pine? :-) -ech +-------------------------------------------------------+ Eric Hagberg Phone: 212-746-4622 User Services Manager Fax: 212-746-8322 Office of Academic Computing Cornell Medical College From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 18 05:52:51 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23222; Fri, 18 Nov 94 05:52:51 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16828; Fri, 18 Nov 94 05:46:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16822; Fri, 18 Nov 94 05:46:46 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r8TGp-00001KC; Fri, 18 Nov 94 05:22 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dseitel@crl.com (David S. Eitelbach) Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? Date: 18 Nov 1994 05:15:18 -0800 Message-Id: <3ai9d6$2i5@crl10.crl.com> References: Mark Crispin wrote: > Let me get this straight. > You use a news reader that sends mail, and in that mail > it implies that the message was posted to a newsgroup. I'm sorry, but it does not. In the scenario, I am replying to a public posting via private email only. The message I send is not posted to the newsgroup and there is no implication that it was. > The recipient of your email message sees that it appears to have > been posted to a newsgroup as well... No, this is not so. But Pine will go on to act as though it were. >...and he decides to post his reply to that newsgroup too. Whether he decides to or not, unless he exercises meticulous care, he will, publicly posting as well my private email to him (by virtue of it's being naturally included in his "reply"). This was never a problem in version 3.89. It's a new feature. David S. Eitelbach dseitel@crl.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 18 06:20:36 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23792; Fri, 18 Nov 94 06:20:36 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19486; Fri, 18 Nov 94 06:03:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19480; Fri, 18 Nov 94 06:03:27 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r8TS5-00001HC; Fri, 18 Nov 94 05:34 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? Date: 18 Nov 94 13:31:53 GMT Message-Id: References: Mark Crispin writes: >On 17 Nov 1994, David S. Eitelbach wrote: >> MY PRIVATE EMAIL, AS PART OF YOUR ALSO POSTED REPLY, >> IS NOW POSTED TO A PUBLIC NEWSGROUP THROUGH NO FAULT OF MY OWN. >Let me get this straight. >You use a news reader that sends mail, and in that mail it implies that >the message was posted to a newsgroup. >The recipient of your email message sees that it appears to have been >posted to a newsgroup as well, and he decides to post his reply to that >newsgroup too. >Your contend that it is the recipient's fault (or the fault of the >recipient's software) that he made that assumption, and not your fault (or >your mail sending software) for implying that in the first place. >We disagree. >It would be better to fix the mail composer which makes such false >implications. I use nn as my news reader. IF a MUA allows redirected input, then nn can be configured to use that MUA. I cannot do this with pine because pine does not accept redirected input. I will mail this to myself when I post it to see what the default behavior of nn is without doing that. The problem is that there are a lot of broken newsreaders out there. pine should assume worst possible case scenario. -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)313-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Gopher,chimera,nn,tin,jove,modems, free code is best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 18 06:25:47 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23896; Fri, 18 Nov 94 06:25:47 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17128; Fri, 18 Nov 94 06:08:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17122; Fri, 18 Nov 94 06:08:43 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r8TaH-00001iC; Fri, 18 Nov 94 05:42 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? Date: 18 Nov 94 13:37:25 GMT Message-Id: References: hagberg@mail.med.cornell.edu (Eric C Hagberg) writes: >On 18 Nov 1994, R. Stewart Ellis wrote: >> >> The failure to make this configurable befouls an otherwise excellent product >> (except the the Bcc problem). >Why don't you just read news with tin if you've got such a problem with >the way pine handles this, and put lines in your system-wide >pine.conf.fixed file disabling news-reading or posting from within pine? For some strange reason, I think my users will prefer using pine for news. I will not use pine for news because I have to explicitly delete each message I do not want to see again. That would add several hours to the 2 or 3 I spend every day just keeping up with several groups. Tin is too clunky for me, although lots of my users prefer it. I use nn, which is the best and fastest way to keep up with a large volume of news. I do not read threads, just selected authors who I trust. Whatever I page past on the subject menus disappears forever. Besides I am not sure how to do what you are talking about. I do not think I have news enabled on pine, and I still get the "offer" to post private email back to the group from which it came. :| >:-) >-ech >+-------------------------------------------------------+ >Eric Hagberg Phone: 212-746-4622 >User Services Manager Fax: 212-746-8322 >Office of Academic Computing Cornell Medical College -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)313-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Gopher,chimera,nn,tin,jove,modems, free code is best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 18 09:38:42 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00928; Fri, 18 Nov 94 09:38:42 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20897; Fri, 18 Nov 94 09:30:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from freenet.edmonton.ab.ca by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20891; Fri, 18 Nov 94 09:30:03 -0800 Received: by freenet.edmonton.ab.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/FEAC1.002) id AA20869; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 10:22:08 -0700 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 10:22:07 -0700 (MST) From: Dieter Simader To: "Kenneth W. Williams" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: HELP!!!!! In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII You could load a print capture program before loading your comm program. Then when you print the message it ends up in a file. However, everything which you send to the printer will go into the file. On Thu, 17 Nov 1994, Kenneth W. Williams wrote: > > Is there anyone who can tell me an easy way to get an e-mail message onto > a subdirectory on my c-drive. > > Thanks, > > Kenny > > > -- Dieter Simader dsimader@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 18 10:30:43 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03561; Fri, 18 Nov 94 10:30:43 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24601; Fri, 18 Nov 94 10:23:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24595; Fri, 18 Nov 94 10:23:28 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r8Xa6-00001kC; Fri, 18 Nov 94 09:58 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: black@csulb.edu (Matthew Black) Subject: ease of installation! Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 08:07:20 Message-Id: It still amazes me how easily Pine installs on my system. Unlike most of the GNU software, which has countless switches and installation troubles, Pine installs without further input after entering the correct build command. The GNU developers should tailor their products to install just as easily. --matt ...just my $0.02 ============================================================================== matthew black, systems analyst | The opinions expressed herein are mine and california state university | don't necessarily reflect those my employer. cecs department | long beach, ca 90840 | email: black@csulb.edu ===============================(c) 1994 by Matthew Black, all rights reserved= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 18 10:54:11 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05186; Fri, 18 Nov 94 10:54:11 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22698; Fri, 18 Nov 94 10:41:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from atlantic.kutztown.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22692; Fri, 18 Nov 94 10:41:46 -0800 Received: by atlantic (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA26938; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 13:37:56 +0500 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 13:37:55 -0500 (EST) From: "James D. Gillmore" Subject: Re: HELP!!!!! To: Dieter Simader Cc: "Kenneth W. Williams" , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 704 On Fri, 18 Nov 1994, Dieter Simader wrote: > > You could load a print capture program before loading your comm program. > Then when you print the message it ends up in a file. > However, everything which you send to the printer will go into the file. > How about using E to export the mail message to a file then using some form of file transfer FTP or kermit should both be avialable to you. Jim Gillmore > > On Thu, 17 Nov 1994, Kenneth W. Williams wrote: > > > > > Is there anyone who can tell me an easy way to get an e-mail message onto > > a subdirectory on my c-drive. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Kenny > > > > > > > > -- > Dieter Simader > dsimader@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 18 11:10:31 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05972; Fri, 18 Nov 94 11:10:31 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25668; Fri, 18 Nov 94 11:04:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from gatekeeper.sial.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25662; Fri, 18 Nov 94 11:04:38 -0800 Received: from localhost (schuchas@localhost) by gatekeeper.sial.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) id MAA03513; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 12:49:58 -0600 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 12:49:58 -0600 (CST) From: Stanley Schuchat To: Dieter Simader Cc: "Kenneth W. Williams" , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: HELP!!!!! In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > On Thu, 17 Nov 1994, Kenneth W. Williams wrote: > > > > > Is there anyone who can tell me an easy way to get an e-mail message onto > > a subdirectory on my c-drive. > > use PC-Pine. It will then allow you to save mail from your INBOX on the remote UNIX system to a local mailbox on your c: drive. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 18 11:47:23 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07567; Fri, 18 Nov 94 11:47:23 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24056; Fri, 18 Nov 94 11:40:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24046; Fri, 18 Nov 94 11:40:22 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r8YMK-000021C; Fri, 18 Nov 94 10:48 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: yukes@nevada.edu (Pirkko Yukes) Subject: cmsg cancel <3adepp$idf@news.nevada.edu> Control: cancel <3adepp$idf@news.nevada.edu> Date: 18 Nov 1994 16:25:01 GMT Message-Id: <3aikgt$b39@news.nevada.edu> References: <3adepp$idf@news.nevada.edu> <3adepp$idf@news.nevada.edu> was cancelled from within rn. -- Pirkko e-mail:yukes@nevada.edu -==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 18 12:43:45 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09947; Fri, 18 Nov 94 12:43:45 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25220; Fri, 18 Nov 94 12:36:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25214; Fri, 18 Nov 94 12:36:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r8Yyn-000024C; Fri, 18 Nov 94 11:28 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sonam@intac.com (Sonam) Subject: PINE as NewsReader Date: 18 Nov 1994 19:07:44 GMT Message-Id: <3aiu20$8u6@uucp.intac.com> Hi! Does anyone have any experience using PINE as their news reader? If so, would you please tell me about what you have found the advantages & disadvantages to be over another (I have TNEWS). Thanks. -- Peace, Sonam (Internet: sonam@intac.com) "May all sentient beings be free from suffering and the causes of suffering" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 18 14:37:31 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16024; Fri, 18 Nov 94 14:37:31 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00774; Fri, 18 Nov 94 14:30:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00768; Fri, 18 Nov 94 14:30:58 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r8aZR-000024C; Fri, 18 Nov 94 13:10 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "G. Harney" Subject: procmail question :0 versus :0: ? Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 15:27:06 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have got procmail to work fine, no problems. But I have noticed some people are using :0: in their rc files, versus :0. Whats the difference? Best, -Giles From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 18 15:56:29 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20132; Fri, 18 Nov 94 15:56:29 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02522; Fri, 18 Nov 94 15:51:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02516; Fri, 18 Nov 94 15:51:53 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r8cSt-00003qC; Fri, 18 Nov 94 15:11 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tlk@u.washington.edu (Jeremy C Norberg) Subject: IMAP and you. Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 14:58:17 -0800 Message-Id: I am doing some graduate research on IMAP and its growing acceptance. If your organization is using IMAP, please send me some mail with any comments of the benefits or problems in its use. Your help is greatly appreciated, and any one interested in seeing my results, please include in your mail and I will send them out. Jeremy C Norberg University of Washington School of Business Administration Information Systems From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 18 15:56:59 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20170; Fri, 18 Nov 94 15:56:59 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02530; Fri, 18 Nov 94 15:52:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02524; Fri, 18 Nov 94 15:52:03 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r8cYk-00003sC; Fri, 18 Nov 94 15:17 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: slr@crl.com (S. Rennacker) Subject: Re: How to post news through pine or elm? Date: 17 Nov 1994 11:30:37 -0800 Message-Id: <3agb0t$on9@crl5.crl.com> References: <397934$pjg@spool.cs.wisc.edu> One response said that you could use PINE to do this, another indicated neither PINE nor ELM could be thus used - which is correct? Isn't there some standard internet addressing format that enables one to send a post to a conference and, if so, what is it? Isn't there such a convention to use to post to mailing lists to which one is not a regular subscriber ("listserve@UKCC.uky.edu" for example)? "There is no such thing as a dumb question - only a dumb answer." -- Albert Einstein -- -- S. L. Rennacker slr@crl.com "Corrupt politicians make the other ten percent look bad." --- Henry Kissinger From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 18 15:57:02 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20181; Fri, 18 Nov 94 15:57:02 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29733; Fri, 18 Nov 94 15:51:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29713; Fri, 18 Nov 94 15:51:01 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r8b3M-00003hC; Fri, 18 Nov 94 13:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: nathan@jupiter.SJSU.EDU (Nathan Yin) Subject: How to delete empty folder?? Date: 18 Nov 1994 17:09:03 GMT Message-Id: <3ain3f$5f3@jupiter.SJSU.EDU> Hi Netters, just wondering, is there a switch in pine that will cause it to delete a folder once that folder is empty (much like one of elm's switch)?? thanks in advance for your help :) -- Nathan Yin nathan@sjsumcs.SJSU.EDU (408) 924-5106 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 18 15:58:44 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20359; Fri, 18 Nov 94 15:58:44 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29759; Fri, 18 Nov 94 15:52:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29752; Fri, 18 Nov 94 15:51:59 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r8cUB-00003rC; Fri, 18 Nov 94 15:12 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ahurley@halcyon.halcyon.com (Andree Hurley) Subject: Help! Broadcast change of address to address book? Date: 18 Nov 1994 23:08:01 GMT Message-Id: <3ajc4h$78i@news.halcyon.com> Newsgroups: comp.mail.pine Subject: Help! Braodcast address change and other probs First problem: Using Telnet and can't seem to get the delete key to work. 2) In Pine, ^C is not responding, other keys are 3) I would like to broadcast an address change to my address book. Is this possible? 4) Or, if I include my three seperate lists in bcc, can I tell Pine to delete duplicates? 5) Somehow Pine crashed after I had been working on problems 3 and 4 and all my work (an hours worth) of deleting duplicate addresses was lost. Sometimes Pine will save the message to be resumed later but not this time. Why? Thanks for the help in advance, I am very frustrated! Andree ahurley@halcon.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 18 15:59:03 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20403; Fri, 18 Nov 94 15:59:03 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29809; Fri, 18 Nov 94 15:55:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29803; Fri, 18 Nov 94 15:55:01 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r8cdD-00003uC; Fri, 18 Nov 94 15:22 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dmaurer@netcom.com (Dennis M. Maurer) Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? Message-Id: References: Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 22:30:19 GMT Mark Crispin (mrc@CAC.Washington.EDU) wrote: : On 17 Nov 1994, David S. Eitelbach wrote: : > MY PRIVATE EMAIL, AS PART OF YOUR ALSO POSTED REPLY, : > IS NOW POSTED TO A PUBLIC NEWSGROUP THROUGH NO FAULT OF MY OWN. : Let me get this straight. : You use a news reader that sends mail, and in that mail it implies that : the message was posted to a newsgroup. : The recipient of your email message sees that it appears to have been : posted to a newsgroup as well, and he decides to post his reply to that : newsgroup too. : Your contend that it is the recipient's fault (or the fault of the : recipient's software) that he made that assumption, and not your fault (or : your mail sending software) for implying that in the first place. : We disagree. : It would be better to fix the mail composer which makes such false : implications. May I add my thoughts... If I reply, by PRIVATE e-mail, from anywhere, to anyone, the person who receives this private e-mail should NOT have any "option" available to reply in a public forum. If the software he uses offers this (public) option it is wrong, and the software should be fixed. If the software can't tell the difference between public and private e-mail, it is wrong and should be fixed. Regards, Dennis M. Maurer -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 18 16:25:49 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22261; Fri, 18 Nov 94 16:25:49 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00631; Fri, 18 Nov 94 16:21:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00625; Fri, 18 Nov 94 16:21:10 -0800 Received: from elvis.med.virginia.edu by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa03012; 18 Nov 94 19:21 EST Received: by elvis.med.Virginia.EDU (5.65c/1.34) id AA23890; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 19:21:08 -0500 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 19:21:08 -0500 (EST) From: "Steven D. Majewski" X-Sender: sdm7g@elvis.med.Virginia.EDU To: "Dennis M. Maurer" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 18 Nov 1994, Dennis M. Maurer wrote: > > May I add my thoughts... > > If I reply, by PRIVATE e-mail, from anywhere, to anyone, the person who > receives this private e-mail should NOT have any "option" available to > reply in a public forum. If the software he uses offers this (public) > option it is wrong, and the software should be fixed. > > If the software can't tell the difference between public and private > e-mail, it is wrong and should be fixed. > Fine, except it's the program that's *sending* the mail that is improperly marking it to indicate that it has been publicly posted. Actually - there has been an argument about this because the semantics of "Newsgroups:" has not been sufficiently specified in the RFC's. But, if Newgroups: is NOT interpreted to mean that the message was, in fact, meant to be publicly posted to that newsgroup, then there is *IN FACT* no way for a program to on the recieving end to distinguish between a private message or a public post. It is the software that is putting "Newsgroups:" headers into messages that are not meant to be publicly posted, and marking them as public postings that is, IMHO broken, and should be fixed. -- Steve Majewski (804-982-0831) -- -- UVA Department of Molecular Physiology and Biological Physics -- -- Box 449 Health Science Center Charlottesville,VA 22908 -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 18 16:48:17 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23606; Fri, 18 Nov 94 16:48:17 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03836; Fri, 18 Nov 94 16:42:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03826; Fri, 18 Nov 94 16:42:50 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r8ctO-00003vC; Fri, 18 Nov 94 15:38 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Michael Warren Subject: process gets taken Message-Id: <9411181640.aa28232@pasteur.medsup.com> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 94 16:40:03 CST Hi all, I am using pine.3.90 for SCO Unix and found problem (not sure if its mine or not). Every now and then, someone will run pine and it will only let them have read access to their mailbox. It says that the mailbox is locked by another process. When they look at the process number, it belongs to another use, and they have to get the owner of that process to exit Pine. I'm not sure what to do about. All suggestions are appreciated. Michael -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | | "NI!" "Bring us a shrubbery" | | | | Alabama Michael Warren "NI!" | | | | Class of '93 mwarren@medsup.com | | From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 18 17:52:52 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26199; Fri, 18 Nov 94 17:52:52 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02592; Fri, 18 Nov 94 17:40:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02586; Fri, 18 Nov 94 17:40:54 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r8drO-000021C; Fri, 18 Nov 94 16:40 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: nancym@chinook.halcyon.com (Nancy McGough) Subject: cmsg cancel <3agglt$7mv@news.halcyon.com> Control: cancel <3agglt$7mv@news.halcyon.com> Date: 19 Nov 1994 00:01:10 GMT Message-Id: <3ajf86$8nd@news.halcyon.com> cancel <3agglt$7mv@news.halcyon.com> in newsgroup comp.mail.pine -- /\_/\ ( o.o ) Nancy McGough http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ > ^ < Infinite Ink ftp://ftp.halcyon.com/pub/ii From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 18 19:12:28 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28363; Fri, 18 Nov 94 19:12:28 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03877; Fri, 18 Nov 94 19:07:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03865; Fri, 18 Nov 94 19:07:50 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r8fY7-000023C; Fri, 18 Nov 94 18:29 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: golden@metronet.com (Dennis Golden) Subject: Re: Wyse 30 Terminals Message-Id: Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 22:05:08 GMT References: In article , Rich Jenke II wrote: >Is there any documentation on supporting Pine on Wyse 30 terminals? We >are running SunOS 4.1.3. > > > //\\ // \) Rich Jenke II (/ \\ //\\ > ////\\_ \\ rich@aep.com 303.443.0020 // _//\\\\ > )) ')) MIS Coordinator ((` (( > American Educational Products, Inc. > > > Well, if the Wyse 30 is a magic cookie terminal as is the Wyse 50, it will take a lot of modification to make pine/pico work correctly (if at all). Since the main application that we use (hotel reservation system) was written for the Wyse 50, I looked at making the changes necessary to support them; however, I have really not had any time to do so. If anyone has done this, I would certainly like to know. Regards, Dennis Golden, Sabre Group, AMR Corp. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 18 20:29:25 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29964; Fri, 18 Nov 94 20:29:25 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07393; Fri, 18 Nov 94 20:26:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07387; Fri, 18 Nov 94 20:26:41 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r8h5W-000023C; Fri, 18 Nov 94 20:07 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: kirk Subject: Where in the Net is IMAP (binaries) Date: 19 Nov 1994 02:21:43 GMT Message-Id: <3ajnfn$lm0@oak.oakland.edu> TWIMC I've two & a half questions for someone. 1 & 1/2 Does anyone Know where to IMAPD binaries for a SPARC 10 running SunOS4.1 to use pine 3.91. And will the binaries run on a machine that haven't been compiled on. & if not Where can I find sources for the machine setup above. The sources I found where missing files. Still hacking after all these beers. kirk@enterprise.eng.wayne.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 18 21:41:02 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01438; Fri, 18 Nov 94 21:41:02 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05870; Fri, 18 Nov 94 21:38:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05864; Fri, 18 Nov 94 21:37:59 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r8i87-00001iC; Fri, 18 Nov 94 21:14 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Carl D Ragan Subject: UseNet Posting is FAST!! Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 22:46:09 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have noticed when connecting and reading mail from either discussion groups or binary groups that reading with "tin" is extremely slow as compared with "pine", and they both function the same way (or maybe not). Anyone know why Pine v 3.91 is faster in pulling up USENET groups. =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*= Carl D Ragan answering service (912) 681-1235 MCM - Micro Computer Management home phone (706) 692-2085 Georgia Southern University @data/fax (912) 681-1235 Landrum Box 14654 Internet cdr@gsu.cs.GaSoU.EDU Statesboro GA 30460 gsi0401@gsaix2.cc.GaSoU.EDU =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*= @ not implemented as of yet From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 18 23:02:26 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02882; Fri, 18 Nov 94 23:02:26 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09228; Fri, 18 Nov 94 22:53:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09222; Fri, 18 Nov 94 22:53:11 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r8jKV-00002qC; Fri, 18 Nov 94 22:31 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: kirk Subject: Where is imapd(sorry bad editor) Date: 19 Nov 1994 05:37:00 GMT Message-Id: <3ak2ts$6om@oak.oakland.edu> References: <3ajnfn$lm0@oak.oakland.edu> CORRECTED > TWIMC > > I've two & a half questions for someone. > > 1 & 1/2 > > Does anyone Know where to get IMAPD binaries for > a SPARC 10 running SunOS4.1 to use pine 3.91. > And will the binaries run on a machine that it > has not been compiled on. > > & if not > > Where can I find sources for the machine setup > above. The sources I found where missing files. > > > Still hacking after > all these beers. > > kirk@enterprise.eng.wayne.edu > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 19 05:54:08 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11510; Sat, 19 Nov 94 05:54:08 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11898; Sat, 19 Nov 94 05:37:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11892; Sat, 19 Nov 94 05:37:36 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r8pcm-000024C; Sat, 19 Nov 94 05:14 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 01:53:10 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Dennis Maurer writes: > If the software can't tell the difference between public and private > e-mail, it is wrong and should be fixed. Thank you very much for agreeing with us. The software which sent a private message couldn't tell that it was private, and indicated in its headers that it was a public message by writing a Newsgroups: line. Therefore it is wrong and should be fixed. Certain people, however, are erroneously blaming Pine for believing a declaration that a message was public, and therefore offering to make a public reply. The only sensible interpretation that one can make from this is that there are people who work on Pine and answer bug reports, whereas nobody gives a damn about fixing broken mail software that write bogus Newsgroups: lines. Personally, I would rather that worked-on software does the right thing, and that broken old software be allowed, nay *encouraged*, to go extinct. Sometimes, broken old designs (especially when those broken designs are *NOT* sanctioned by *any* standard) need to give way to more flexible new designs. I don't hear much of a call for a return to 6-character uppercase-only file names, or for file representations which consist solely of 80-byte card image records. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 19 08:55:18 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14528; Sat, 19 Nov 94 08:55:18 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16576; Sat, 19 Nov 94 08:51:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16570; Sat, 19 Nov 94 08:51:14 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r8sfX-000024C; Sat, 19 Nov 94 08:29 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: veck@pshrink.chi.il.us (Steven King [Really!]) Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? Message-Id: <1994Nov19.152032.5350@pshrink.chi.il.us> Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 15:20:32 GMT References: sdm7g@virginia.edu ("Steven D. Majewski") publicly declared: >Actually - there has been an argument about this because the >semantics of "Newsgroups:" has not been sufficiently specified >in the RFC's. But, if Newgroups: is NOT interpreted to mean >that the message was, in fact, meant to be publicly posted to >that newsgroup, then there is *IN FACT* no way for a program to >on the recieving end to distinguish between a private message >or a public post. Sure there is. One very simple way: Did the message come from the NNTP server? Or did it come from the mail spool? If Pine pulled the message from the NNTP server, it's appropriate to ask "Do you want to post a reply to the newsgroup?" If Pine pulled the message from the mail server, on the other hand, it has *NO BUSINESS* posting a response to a public forum. I don't care what the Newsgroups: line says, if this message was in my mail spool then it's private. End of discussion. >It is the software that is putting "Newsgroups:" headers into >messages that are not meant to be publicly posted, and marking >them as public postings that is, IMHO broken, and should be fixed. I respectfully disagree. Software which can't remember the physical source of a message and instead relies on (possibly bogus) header information is, IMHO broken, and should be fixed. (Don't get me wrong. Other than this Pine is an incredible program. This one flaw isn't enough to keep me from using it or recommending it to others!) -- ------------------------------------------ "What now, Brain?" "We should flee in terror. Yes. That would be the wisest course." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 19 09:09:22 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14859; Sat, 19 Nov 94 09:09:22 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14512; Sat, 19 Nov 94 09:06:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14506; Sat, 19 Nov 94 09:06:16 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r8stP-000025C; Sat, 19 Nov 94 08:44 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dseitel@crl.com (David S. Eitelbach) Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? Date: 19 Nov 1994 08:34:57 -0800 Message-Id: <3al9fh$ecg@crl.crl.com> References: Mark Crispin wrote: > Certain people, however, are erroneously blaming Pine for believing a > declaration that a message was public, and therefore offering to make > a publice reply. The only sensible interpretation that one can make > from this is that there are people who work on Pine and answer bug > reports, whereas nobody gives a damn about fixing broken mail software > that write bogus Newsgroups: lines. Well...maybe we're starting to get somewhere now. First, there _was_ no problem--or, it served the sloppy user right. Now, we've moved on to blaming primitive and poorly tuned newsreaders. If you people circling the wagons would care to recall, all I have been asking is to make the "Post also?" prompt able to be toggled off. >From some who seem to represent Pine, I don't see any sensitivity toward users who, *through no fault of their own*, may have their private email posted publicly by another. All I see is blame-shifting. Pretty sad. The 3.89 version of Pine did not exhibit this dangerous behavior using the _same_ newsreaders. Seems like this part of 3.9x Pine was designed for use in a perfect world--not in our real world where novice users might choose Tin for the same reason they would choose Pine. Hard to see how Pine ever got to be as fine a package as it is (a few features notwithstanding) if everyone who criticizes it gets the same treatment I have gotten here: first, an uncaged Mr. Kooijman; then, a rush to the battlements; and now, blaming everything else. David S. Eitelbach dseitel@crl.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 19 09:25:47 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15112; Sat, 19 Nov 94 09:25:47 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16891; Sat, 19 Nov 94 09:13:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16885; Sat, 19 Nov 94 09:13:32 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r8sup-000027C; Sat, 19 Nov 94 08:45 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: steinarb@falch.no (Steinar Bang) Subject: Re: ease of installation! In-Reply-To: black@csulb.edu's message of Fri, 18 Nov 1994 08:07:20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 16:24:31 GMT >>>>> "MB" == Matthew Black writes: MB> It still amazes me how easily Pine installs on my system. Unlike MB> most of the GNU software, which has countless switches and MB> installation troubles, Pine installs without further input after MB> entering the correct build command. The GNU developers should MB> tailor their products to install just as easily. What? GNU software installs easiest of all freely available UNIXoid software these days. My build goes like this: - unpack - move to the build dir - ./configure - make - make install And that's about it. --
Support your local DoD chapter. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 19 09:58:13 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15839; Sat, 19 Nov 94 09:58:13 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15040; Sat, 19 Nov 94 09:52:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from weber.ucsd.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15034; Sat, 19 Nov 94 09:52:41 -0800 Received: from localhost (corrigan@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by weber.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA10302; Sat, 19 Nov 1994 09:52:36 -0800 Message-Id: <199411191752.JAA10302@weber.ucsd.edu> To: "G. Harney" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Reply-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: procmail question :0 versus :0: ? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 18 Nov 1994 15:27:06 -0500." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Id: <10298.785267555.1@weber.ucsd.edu> Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 09:52:36 -0800 From: "Michael J. Corrigan" > I have got procmail to work fine, no problems. But I have noticed > some people are using :0: in their rc files, versus :0. > > Whats the difference? A ':' at the end of the recipe flag line specifies that procmail should use a lockfile during that recipe's processing. Recipes with just :0 do not use a lockfile during recipe processing. A 3rd form of the flag line is :0:lockfile which tells procmail to use "lockfile" as the name of the lockfile. Use of lockfiles is recommended for all recipes that result in writing to a file such as the recipes like: :0: *^header: whatever folder From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 19 10:25:13 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16285; Sat, 19 Nov 94 10:25:13 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15382; Sat, 19 Nov 94 10:21:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15376; Sat, 19 Nov 94 10:21:45 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r8u0j-000024C; Sat, 19 Nov 94 09:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jlfitz@cais2.cais.com (Jeffrey Fitzgerald) Subject: HELP in setting custom PINE! Date: 19 Nov 1994 17:46:45 GMT Message-Id: <3aldm5$27n@news.cais.com> Thanks for your help! I want to set pine up (.pinerc) so that: the main mail box is called "EMail" the folders work to direct mail through the above I tried myself, and only got confused ;-/. I know it can't be all that hard, but I just don't know enough about all the specs to make sure that I am not losing my mail... -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jeffrey L. Fitzgerald jlfitz@cais.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * Real Life On-Line Help 24 Hrs a Day... Jesus@Heaven.God * From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 19 10:36:04 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16493; Sat, 19 Nov 94 10:36:04 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15504; Sat, 19 Nov 94 10:31:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15498; Sat, 19 Nov 94 10:31:54 -0800 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27936; Sat, 19 Nov 94 10:31:53 -0800 Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 10:31:52 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 19 Nov 1994, Mark Crispin wrote: > Certain people, however, are erroneously blaming Pine for believing a > declaration that a message was public, and therefore offering to make a public > reply. I would say this differently. Pine does not implicitly *believe* the Newsgroups declaration, and since it doesn't know what is intended in these cases, it gives the user the opportunity to "believe" the Newsgroups header or not. In fact, there are *three* different prompts --not just one-- where the user can control what happens. Two of those prompts specifically ask about posting, and their default is NO. Unless the user explicitly answers Yes to all 3 of those prompts, the message will not be posted. (We naively thought that three prompts would be sufficient to prevent mistakes... :) Some have suggested that news and mail are fundamentally different and should be kept completely separate in Pine. Whether or not this is desirable is debatable, but the debate is moot because in practice there is no way to make that distinction in a general-purpose message reader. At a technical level, there are not "mail folders" and "news folders", there are only "message folders", comprised of messages which may or may not contain a Newsgroups header. Since Pine doesn't control which messages have a Newsgroups header, it can't reliably infer what to do with them in all cases. It can only ask the user what their intent is. Others have suggested that all Pine needs to do is remember whether a message was delivered via nntp vs. smtp... but Pine usually does not know how messages were originally delivered, it just reads folders created by other processes or saved-message folders created by Pine --and *many* people like to save messages by topic, not by transport mechanism, so saved message folders on a particular topic will often contain a mixture of messages delivered via different transport mechanisms --with and without Newsgroups headers. Once again, Pine can only *ask* what is intended in a Reply when there is ambiguity. Note also that there is no effective difference between posting to a newsgroup and sending a message to an email list, so again any attempt to protect users by treating news as totally different from mail is doomed to fail. (This newsgroup is a good example, since it is bi-directionally gatewayed to an email list. "Newsgroups: comp.mail.pine" is identical to "CC: pine-info@cac.washington.edu" in terms of exposure.) Having said that, and while agreeing with Mark and others that it would be better if those newsreaders that include the Newsgroups header in a *mail* message stopped doing so (or used a different header), there is one thing we can do in Pine to reduce the odds that someone will inadvertently post a msg they didn't intend to: we can change the first of the three relevant prompts (Post follow-up?) so that those who type "Y" reflexively (instead of the safer "press RETURN" reflex) will not get into trouble. Barry Cornelius in the UK has sent us some good suggestions in this area. One approach to a new prompt under consideration would also allow offering the choice of both sending via mail *and* posting, which several folks have requested. This change in prompt behavior would introduce some additional modality in the user interface, which is generally considered a Bad Thing in UI design circles, but in this case is probably justified. -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 19 11:47:32 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17678; Sat, 19 Nov 94 11:47:32 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18672; Sat, 19 Nov 94 11:43:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18666; Sat, 19 Nov 94 11:43:26 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r8vLY-000008C; Sat, 19 Nov 94 11:21 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: steller@zuse (Ingo Steller) Subject: PC-PINE 3.91 and PC-NFS 4.0 Date: 19 Nov 1994 19:06:52 GMT Message-Id: <3alicc$15sd@aixrs0.hrz.uni-essen.de> Ijust download PC-PINE 3.91 for SUN's PC-NFS. I use PC-NFS 4.0. Now my problem is, when I start pine and it tries to open the inbox I get the message: Unable to craste TCP socket (66) What does this mean and how can I solve the problem? Ingo Steller From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 19 14:06:22 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20173; Sat, 19 Nov 94 14:06:22 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20379; Sat, 19 Nov 94 13:55:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from fobos.ulpgc.es by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20373; Sat, 19 Nov 94 13:55:26 -0800 Received: from cicei.ulpgc.es by fobos.ulpgc.es (5.65/Ultrix4.2-C) id AA10390; Sat, 19 Nov 1994 21:56:21 GMT Received: from CICEI/MAILQUEUE by cicei.ulpgc.es (Mercury 1.11); Sat, 19 Nov 94 22:21:31 GMT Received: from MAILQUEUE by CICEI (Mercury 1.11); Sat, 19 Nov 94 22:21:22 GMT From: "Miki Vazquez" Organization: Universidad de Las Palmas de G.C. To: Pine-Info@cac.washington.edu Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 22:21:13 GMT Subject: help Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1a) Message-Id: <12333833EF0@cicei.ulpgc.es> help list index Miki Vazquez mvazquez@cic.teleco.ulpgc.es f165052@cicei.ulgpc.es From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 19 14:35:58 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20682; Sat, 19 Nov 94 14:35:58 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18286; Sat, 19 Nov 94 14:33:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18274; Sat, 19 Nov 94 14:33:09 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r8y2d-000006C; Sat, 19 Nov 94 14:13 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lurie@haas.berkeley.edu (Nick Lurie) Subject: Will Pine Ever be Intelligent? Date: 19 Nov 1994 22:13:48 GMT Message-Id: Will Pine ever have the capability to read attached formatted files sent from programs like Eudora without the user having to be a Unixhead? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 19 16:04:53 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22337; Sat, 19 Nov 94 16:04:53 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21894; Sat, 19 Nov 94 15:57:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21888; Sat, 19 Nov 94 15:57:31 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r8zGz-000006C; Sat, 19 Nov 94 15:32 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jlfitz@cais2.cais.com (Jeffrey Fitzgerald) Subject: Anyone know about tabs in PINE? Date: 19 Nov 1994 23:27:59 GMT Message-Id: <3am1lv$dh3@news.cais.com> Hi! Everytime I try to use tabs in PINE, I get a loooonngg tab. Is there a preset way to adjust them to a normal 5 space length??? -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jeffrey L. Fitzgerald jlfitz@cais.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * Real Life On-Line Help 24 Hrs a Day... Jesus@Heaven.God * From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 19 17:31:06 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23989; Sat, 19 Nov 94 17:31:06 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20328; Sat, 19 Nov 94 17:27:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20322; Sat, 19 Nov 94 17:27:52 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r90oL-000006C; Sat, 19 Nov 94 17:11 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ralphs@halcyon.halcyon.com (Ralph Sims) Subject: Re: Will Pine Ever be Intelligent? Date: 20 Nov 1994 00:38:59 GMT Message-Id: <3am5r3$8p5@news.halcyon.com> References: lurie@haas.berkeley.edu (Nick Lurie) writes: >Will Pine ever have the capability to read attached formatted files sent >from programs like Eudora without the user having to be a Unixhead? Are you calling Eudora intelligent? -- Northwest NEXUS, Inc. takes Internet OUT of the box! info@nwnexus.wa.com, finger info@halcyon.com, or: http://www.halcyon.com; +1 206 455 3505 voice From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 19 18:54:10 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25745; Sat, 19 Nov 94 18:54:10 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23866; Sat, 19 Nov 94 18:35:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23860; Sat, 19 Nov 94 18:35:37 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r91oi-000006C; Sat, 19 Nov 94 18:15 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? Date: 20 Nov 94 02:18:24 GMT Message-Id: References: <1994Nov19.152032.5350@pshrink.chi.il.us> veck@pshrink.chi.il.us (Steven King [Really!]) writes: >sdm7g@virginia.edu ("Steven D. Majewski") publicly declared: >>Actually - there has been an argument about this because the >>semantics of "Newsgroups:" has not been sufficiently specified >>in the RFC's. But, if Newgroups: is NOT interpreted to mean >>that the message was, in fact, meant to be publicly posted to >>that newsgroup, then there is *IN FACT* no way for a program to >>on the recieving end to distinguish between a private message >>or a public post. >Sure there is. One very simple way: > Did the message come from the NNTP server? > Or did it come from the mail spool? >If Pine pulled the message from the NNTP server, it's appropriate to ask >"Do you want to post a reply to the newsgroup?" If Pine pulled the >message from the mail server, on the other hand, it has *NO BUSINESS* >posting a response to a public forum. I don't care what the Newsgroups: >line says, if this message was in my mail spool then it's private. End of >discussion. YES! >>It is the software that is putting "Newsgroups:" headers into >>messages that are not meant to be publicly posted, and marking >>them as public postings that is, IMHO broken, and should be fixed. >I respectfully disagree. Software which can't remember the physical >source of a message and instead relies on (possibly bogus) header >information is, IMHO broken, and should be fixed. AMEN! >(Don't get me wrong. Other than this Pine is an incredible program. This >one flaw isn't enough to keep me from using it or recommending it to >others!) HALLELUJAH! >-- >------------------------------------------ >"What now, Brain?" >"We should flee in terror. Yes. That would be the wisest course." -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)313-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Gopher,chimera,nn,tin,jove,modems, free code is best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 19 21:30:50 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28152; Sat, 19 Nov 94 21:30:50 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23234; Sat, 19 Nov 94 21:27:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23228; Sat, 19 Nov 94 21:27:06 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Sun, 20 Nov 94 13:23:35 -0800 Date: Sun, 20 Nov 1994 13:23:34 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Terry Gray Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 19 Nov 1994, Terry Gray wrote: > Having said that, and while agreeing with Mark and others that it would be > better if those newsreaders that include the Newsgroups header in a *mail* > message stopped doing so (or used a different header), there is one thing we > can do in Pine to reduce the odds that someone will inadvertently post a msg > they didn't intend to: we can change the first of the three relevant prompts > (Post follow-up?) so that those who type "Y" reflexively (instead of the > safer "press RETURN" reflex) will not get into trouble. Barry Cornelius in > the UK has sent us some good suggestions in this area. One approach to a > new prompt under consideration would also allow offering the choice of both > sending via mail *and* posting, which several folks have requested. > > This change in prompt behavior would introduce some additional modality in > the user interface, which is generally considered a Bad Thing in UI design > circles, but in this case is probably justified. Why do I get this sinking feeling that we are about to experience another episode of "The squeaky wheel gets greased"? I've lived outside of the US for some time...yet there seems to be several sayings that are "Universal". Some of them are: "You can please some of the people all of the time.......but you dan't please all of the people all of the time." "Never *assume*....because when you do...." "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." IMHO, the three prompts of pine are quite sufficient. The addition of new prompts only means that some people will have to "learn" more prompts to blindly supply responses. There is no way to make pine "fool proof" as long as you have the fallible human behind the keyboad. I've read some people suggest that the default behaviour of pine is likely to lead to embarrassment to the novice user. In my experience I've found that *not* to be the case. Although not scientific, I recently exposed a group of our cc:Mail users to pine. I let them play with it for a few days...and then I set up a senario similar to that being discussed. Not one of the novice users made the mistake of posting a reply. Part of the reason this was not a scientific study is that English is a second language for my users, so they tend to read all of the prompts. But, that should tell you something too. I, for one, would not appreciate yet another change in the keystrokes of pine simply to appease what I feel is a minority of users. IMHO, the USA has become litigation crazy with all sorts of product liability suits simply because many people have forgotten how to exercise care and common sense. It truly wouldn't suprise me if someone tried to sue the authors of pine (or some other software) because they felt it didn't provide them with "addequate protection" from making fools of themselves. Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 19 21:38:11 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28310; Sat, 19 Nov 94 21:38:11 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23358; Sat, 19 Nov 94 21:35:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23352; Sat, 19 Nov 94 21:35:49 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r94Zr-000008C; Sat, 19 Nov 94 21:12 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? Date: 20 Nov 1994 04:33:44 GMT Message-Id: <3amjj8$flc@news.halcyon.com> References: <3a10pb$mq1@crl.crl.com> dseitel@crl.com (David S. Eitelbach) writes: >In cases where someone replied to you out of a newsgroup, when >you reply in turn, you get a prompt about whether or not to >include the message in the reply, followed by a _second_ prompt: > >"Post follow-up message to news group(s)?" >How the heck can you turn it off entirely *without Pine assuming >you want to post too?* What I'm doing is using procmail and formail to process my incoming mail messages. If a message contains a Newsgroups header I change it to Old-Newsgroups and then Pine won't ask me whether I want to post my response. Here's the recipe I'm using: :0 fhw * ^Newsgroups: | formail -i Newsgroups: For more info about setting up procmail see my "Filtering Mail FAQ" that I posted this week. Another thing I've done is set up my newsreader (nn) to use this for mailing: | formail -i Newsgroups: | /usr/lib/sendmail -t This way all messages that I mail from nn have an Old-Newsgroups header rather than a Newsgroups header so that anyone who receives it in Pine will not be asked whether they want to post their response to me. I hope this is helpful, Nancy -- /\_/\ ( o.o ) Nancy McGough http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ > ^ < Infinite Ink ftp://ftp.halcyon.com/pub/ii From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 20 02:34:25 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03710; Sun, 20 Nov 94 02:34:25 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29487; Sun, 20 Nov 94 02:31:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29481; Sun, 20 Nov 94 02:31:30 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r99Cy-000006C; Sun, 20 Nov 94 02:09 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jim@draco.bison.mb.ca (Jim Jaworski) Subject: Re: Pine 3.92 ?? Date: 20 Nov 1994 00:01:16 -0600 Message-Id: <3amonc$66h@draco.bison.mb.ca> References: <3aarvg$g12@mizar.usc.edu> David L Miller (dlm@cac.washington.edu) wrote in comp.mail.pine: :>On 15 Nov 1994, Elmar Kurgpold wrote: :>> Will the next release of the Windows version coincide with this as :>> yet unscheduled release of Pine 3.92? I'm very curious as to how the :>> work is going on this program. :>> :>All Pine ports (that we maintain) are upgraded simultaneously with each :>release. Is there an OS/2 PM version of pine released or in the works? -- Winnipeg MB Canada jim@draco.bison.mb.ca TEAM OS/2 MIME OK VE4JAF Proud to be a non-hypenated Polish Canadian! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 20 08:40:46 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10260; Sun, 20 Nov 94 08:40:46 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01122; Sun, 20 Nov 94 08:37:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01116; Sun, 20 Nov 94 08:37:25 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r9EyA-000008C; Sun, 20 Nov 94 08:18 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gmartz@nwcl.net (Greg Martz) Subject: disabling newsreading for a single user Date: Sun, 20 Nov 1994 07:24:51 LOCAL Message-Id: I have one user who prefers to read newsgroups via tin, and get's upset at the 30-60 second delay when going into the folder list because PINE checks the newsgroup folders. Is there a way she can disable the newsgroup portion of PINE and only keep the e-mail folders? Greg Martz (gmartz@nwcl.net)|NorthWest CommLink - Your Gateway to the Internet Voice [+1 206 336 0103] |(shell, menu, SLIP, PPP) in Skagit County, WA info@nwcl.net for more info |Mt. Vernon's *first* Internet Provider From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 20 09:31:52 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11164; Sun, 20 Nov 94 09:31:52 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04503; Sun, 20 Nov 94 09:27:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04497; Sun, 20 Nov 94 09:27:42 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r9FiQ-000006C; Sun, 20 Nov 94 09:06 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mparson@mercury.utb.edu (Michael Parson) Subject: elm folders in pine? Date: 20 Nov 1994 17:01:15 GMT Message-Id: <3anvcr$4gu@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> I just recently switched from Elm as a mail reader to pine. Now, I have lots of mail folders already set up under Elm.... Is it at all possible to put all my elm folders and pine folders in the same place and allow pine to access my old elm folders? (did that make sense?) Basically, can Pine use my Elm folders. -- Michael Parson University of Texas at Brownsville Internet Research Academic Computing Email: mparson@utb.edu Phone: 210-982-0280 IRC: Roloc Using Commodores since 1984 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 20 09:57:47 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11534; Sun, 20 Nov 94 09:57:47 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02059; Sun, 20 Nov 94 09:52:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02053; Sun, 20 Nov 94 09:52:34 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r9G6z-000006C; Sun, 20 Nov 94 09:31 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dseitel@crl.com (David S. Eitelbach) Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? Date: 20 Nov 1994 09:26:41 -0800 Message-Id: <3ao0sh$8kd@crl5.crl.com> References: Ed Greshko wrote: > Why do I get this sinking feeling that we are about to experience > another episode of "The squeaky wheel gets greased"? > I've lived outside of the US for some time...yet there seems to > be several sayings that are "Universal". Some of them are: [...] Some others are: "It's a poor plan that admits of no modification." "Mediocre minds tend to dismiss anything that reaches beyond their own understanding." "None are so blind as those that will not see" "Old people like to give good advice as solace for no longer being able to provide bad examples." > IMHO, the three prompts of pine are quite sufficient. I agree. The fact that there are three of them and that they still don't get the job done suggests we're too far down the wrong road. > There is no way to make pine "fool proof" as long as you have the > fallible human behind the keyboad. This is a "strawman". No one is asking that it be made "fool proof". All that is being asked it that a toggle be put in to defeat the feature or that the feature's default be made more conservative. > I've read some people suggest that the default behaviour of pine > is likely to lead to embarrassment to the novice user. No, that's not it. The point was that it leads to the embarrassment of innocent people who may not even use Pine. Reread my earlier posts; I'm not going to annoy people by recapitulating the thing for yet a fourth time. David S. Eitelbach dseitel@crl.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 20 10:59:25 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12470; Sun, 20 Nov 94 10:59:25 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05485; Sun, 20 Nov 94 10:52:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05479; Sun, 20 Nov 94 10:52:35 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r9H31-000006C; Sun, 20 Nov 94 10:31 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: root@ncb.gov.sg (System Administrator) Subject: Problem: Error opening ... Disc quota full Message-Id: Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 09:14:10 GMT Hi, I have installed Pine mail on a Sun Sparc 20 and it was working fine for several months until lately, the following problem occurs: Whenever my user open a pine session, he/she gets a message "Error opening /var/spool/mail/xxx.lock. Disc quota full" I have tried to remove all files from /tmp directory and increase the swap space. But the error message keeps popping up. Anyone has any idea how to over come this problem? Please help. Thanks Yu Chung From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 20 12:53:59 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14332; Sun, 20 Nov 94 12:53:59 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03965; Sun, 20 Nov 94 12:41:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03959; Sun, 20 Nov 94 12:41:51 -0800 Received: from elvis.med.virginia.edu by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa19082; 20 Nov 94 15:41 EST Received: by elvis.med.Virginia.EDU (5.65c/1.34) id AA18354; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 15:41:46 -0500 Date: Sun, 20 Nov 1994 15:41:46 -0500 (EST) From: "Steven D. Majewski" X-Sender: sdm7g@elvis.med.Virginia.EDU To: veck@pshrink.chi.il.us, "R. Stewart Ellis" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 20 Nov 1994, R. Stewart Ellis wrote: > veck@pshrink.chi.il.us (Steven King [Really!]) writes: > > >Sure there is. One very simple way: > > > Did the message come from the NNTP server? > > Or did it come from the mail spool? > > >If Pine pulled the message from the NNTP server, it's appropriate to ask > >"Do you want to post a reply to the newsgroup?" If Pine pulled the > >message from the mail server, on the other hand, it has *NO BUSINESS* > >posting a response to a public forum. I don't care what the Newsgroups: > >line says, if this message was in my mail spool then it's private. End of > >discussion. > > YES! > > >>It is the software that is putting "Newsgroups:" headers into > >>messages that are not meant to be publicly posted, and marking > >>them as public postings that is, IMHO broken, and should be fixed. > > >I respectfully disagree. Software which can't remember the physical > >source of a message and instead relies on (possibly bogus) header > >information is, IMHO broken, and should be fixed. > > AMEN! > > >(Don't get me wrong. Other than this Pine is an incredible program. This > >one flaw isn't enough to keep me from using it or recommending it to > >others!) > > HALLELUJAH! The only problem with these suggestions is that they don't, in fact, work any more reliably than the current behaviour of asking the user whether he wants to post a reply to the newsgroup. If Pine did *everything* you asked, it would still be confronted with an ambiguous situation - and it would either have to make an assumption according to your rules - which is *guaranteed* to be wrong some of the time, or continue to ask for guidance from the user after making a "best guess". If your experience is too limited to imagine WHY this is the case, then just catch up with that recent discussion in comp.mail.headers/header-people. BTW: By *your* criteria, tin and [t]rn are "broken" because they do not label saved messages to indicate that they came from the news spool. ( That is, unless you accept the convention that that is what the existance of a "Newsgroups:" line means. ) > >I respectfully disagree. Software which can't remember the physical > >source of a message and instead relies on (possibly bogus) header > >information is, IMHO broken, and should be fixed. -- Steve Majewski (804-982-0831) -- -- UVA Department of Molecular Physiology and Biological Physics -- -- Box 449 Health Science Center Charlottesville,VA 22908 -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 20 12:54:56 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14373; Sun, 20 Nov 94 12:54:56 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03979; Sun, 20 Nov 94 12:43:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03973; Sun, 20 Nov 94 12:43:03 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r9Ijd-00000FC; Sun, 20 Nov 94 12:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? Date: 20 Nov 1994 19:29:48 GMT Message-Id: <3ao83c$qvb@news.halcyon.com> References: <3al8kr$nm1@news.halcyon.com> mrc@panda.COM (Mark Crispin) writes: >On 19 Nov 1994, Nancy McGough wrote: >> sdm7g@virginia.edu ("Steven D. Majewski") writes: >> >It is the software that is putting "Newsgroups:" headers into >> >messages that are not meant to be publicly posted, and marking >> >them as public postings that is, IMHO broken, and should be fixed. >> >> But unfortunately the most commonly used Unix newsreaders - tin, nn, >> and the rn family - all put a Newsgroups header in private mail >> messages. > >Then fix tin, nn, and the rn family! Even if all newsreader developers agreed to "fix" this, it would take years (and possibly forever) for old versions of the newsreaders to be replaced by the new "fixed" versions. Isn't it obvious that Pine needs a solution that is compatible with all these "broken" newsreaders? Nancy -- /\_/\ ( o.o ) Nancy McGough http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ > ^ < Infinite Ink ftp://ftp.halcyon.com/pub/ii From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 20 14:50:11 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16316; Sun, 20 Nov 94 14:50:11 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05368; Sun, 20 Nov 94 14:43:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05362; Sun, 20 Nov 94 14:43:47 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r9Keh-000006C; Sun, 20 Nov 94 14:22 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David Clark Subject: Re: elm folders in pine? Date: Sun, 20 Nov 1994 15:18:45 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: References: <3anvcr$4gu@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3anvcr$4gu@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Yes, Pine can read the folders set up my elm. Here is what you need to do: Pine, by default saves mail folders in a folder called mail (small m) and elm used Mail (large M) or maybe it's the other way around. The point being that UNIX sees these as two different folders. Choose which one you want to use and move all of your mail folders into that directory. Then check your .pinerc to make sure that pine will be looking in that directory for your saved mail. On 20 Nov 1994, Michael Parson wrote: > I just recently switched from Elm as a mail reader to pine. Now, I have > lots of mail folders already set up under Elm.... Is it at all possible > to put all my elm folders and pine folders in the same place and allow > pine to access my old elm folders? (did that make sense?) Basically, can > Pine use my Elm folders. > > > -- > Michael Parson University of Texas at Brownsville > Internet Research Academic Computing > Email: mparson@utb.edu Phone: 210-982-0280 > IRC: Roloc Using Commodores since 1984 > > ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((()))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) David Clark % While the young are standing round us Technology Instructor % Of the rising generation, Boulder Valley School District % Let them learn the words of magic, clarkd@bvsd.k12.co.us % And recall our songs and legends. % -Kalevala- (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((())))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 20 16:36:26 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18188; Sun, 20 Nov 94 16:36:26 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09460; Sun, 20 Nov 94 16:23:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09454; Sun, 20 Nov 94 16:23:33 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r9MEP-000006C; Sun, 20 Nov 94 16:03 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sti@cs.hut.fi (Sami-Jaakko Tikka) Subject: Re: How to post news through pine or elm? Date: 21 Nov 1994 01:40:14 +0200 Message-Id: <3aomouINNfjb@tahma.cs.hut.fi> References: <397934$pjg@spool.cs.wisc.edu> <3agb0t$on9@crl5.crl.com> <3agjjs$iqa@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> In article <3agjjs$iqa@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, pgallot@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Acme Prez.) wrote: > personally, I feel that the two are different enough that it's > worth it to keep a distinction between mail and netnews. Whereas I would like to be able to handle my email, news and www *and* saved messages (with intelligent searches like in mh's pick command) with one single unified and consistent interface (which does not mean one single process, unless it was a multithreaded process). I think the makers of Pine have the right idea and Pine is currently my mail software of choice. I know this probably will make me look like a computer-illiterate, but I'd like to think myself as a hacker who just wants to get his communication needs satisfied with the minimum of fuss. Sami "tried rn, gnus, nn, tin, tass, nuntius, newswatcher, macsoup, rmail, vm, elm, mh, eudora and pine, did I miss any" Tikka :) -- Sami Tikka "Peace and Long Life." "Live Long and Prosper." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 20 18:02:08 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19869; Sun, 20 Nov 94 18:02:08 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07786; Sun, 20 Nov 94 17:55:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from nova.gmi.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07780; Sun, 20 Nov 94 17:55:20 -0800 Received: by nova.gmi.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1-DNI) id AA06579; Sun, 20 Nov 94 20:59:41 EST Date: Sun, 20 Nov 1994 20:59:41 -0500 (EST) From: "R. Stewart Ellis" To: "Steven D. Majewski" Cc: veck@pshrink.chi.il.us, pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 20 Nov 1994, Steven D. Majewski wrote: > > On 20 Nov 1994, R. Stewart Ellis wrote: > > > veck@pshrink.chi.il.us (Steven King [Really!]) writes: > > > > >Sure there is. One very simple way: > > > > > Did the message come from the NNTP server? > > > Or did it come from the mail spool? > > > > >If Pine pulled the message from the NNTP server, it's appropriate to ask > > >"Do you want to post a reply to the newsgroup?" If Pine pulled the > > >message from the mail server, on the other hand, it has *NO BUSINESS* > > >posting a response to a public forum. I don't care what the Newsgroups: > > >line says, if this message was in my mail spool then it's private. End of > > >discussion. > > > > YES! > > [...] > > The only problem with these suggestions is that they don't, in fact, work > any more reliably than the current behaviour of asking the user whether > he wants to post a reply to the newsgroup. If Pine did *everything* you > asked, it would still be confronted with an ambiguous situation - and it > would either have to make an assumption according to your rules - which > is *guaranteed* to be wrong some of the time, or continue to ask for > guidance from the user after making a "best guess". It would be entirely reasonable to only offer to post in response to articles that come from the NNTP connection. IFF the user wants to post in response to something she has saved from news or mail, then let her ask to post it. > > If your experience is too limited to imagine WHY this is the case, then > just catch up with that recent discussion in comp.mail.headers/header-people. I got a couple of hundred messages into a 500 message thread. What are you saying? I have lots of experience, over 10 years of UNIX, but only about 6 or so playing with news user agents and mail user agents in source. So what is your point? > > > > BTW: By *your* criteria, tin and [t]rn are "broken" because they do not > label saved messages to indicate that they came from the news spool. > ( That is, unless you accept the convention that that is what the > existance of a "Newsgroups:" line means. ) It is not hard to tell a message either is or is not from the nntp server. All other cases should require the user to request to post. > > > >I respectfully disagree. Software which can't remember the physical > > >source of a message and instead relies on (possibly bogus) header > > >information is, IMHO broken, and should be fixed. Exactly what he is saying. > > > -- Steve Majewski (804-982-0831) -- > -- UVA Department of Molecular Physiology and Biological Physics -- > -- Box 449 Health Science Center Charlottesville,VA 22908 -- > > > R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)313-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Gopher,chimera,nn,tin,jove,modems, free code is best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 20 19:28:35 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21315; Sun, 20 Nov 94 19:28:35 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08704; Sun, 20 Nov 94 19:08:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08698; Sun, 20 Nov 94 19:08:45 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r9Ooo-00000HC; Sun, 20 Nov 94 18:49 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pjh@tecoma.mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) Subject: Re: Getting Rid Of PICO??? Message-Id: Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 02:41:22 GMT References: In article , Byrg Bonnelycke wrote: =Hi: =I use PINE 3.91. =To use the UNIX 'vi' editor instead of PINE's default 'pico' editor, =I = 1) change the editor line in PINE's configuration file to = editor =vi = The PINE configuration file is available under PINE's = main menu, = 2) hit the ^_ key (i.e. Control-Underline) which is only = available from WITHIN the body of the message. = =On Wed, 16 Nov 1994, Pete Holsberg wrote: = => I would like to use a different editor from PICO while using Pine. => Setting editor= in the pine.conf and/or .pinerc does not do it. => => What does? => => Thanks. Folks, The word I want to use is REPLACE! As in, you never see pico!! Is pico source built-in to pine??? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 20 19:44:04 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21543; Sun, 20 Nov 94 19:44:04 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11638; Sun, 20 Nov 94 19:13:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11632; Sun, 20 Nov 94 19:13:39 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r9OrP-00000MC; Sun, 20 Nov 94 18:52 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lurie@haas.berkeley.edu (Nick Lurie) Subject: Re: Will Pine Ever be Intelligent? Date: 21 Nov 1994 02:48:25 GMT Message-Id: References: <3am5r3$8p5@news.halcyon.com> Yes! If I want to attach a document I choose attach and then click on the file I want to send. Eudora translates the document. If the person I am sending the file to is running Eudora, NuPop or some other intelligent mail program, the file is automatically translated back to the right format and the person can choose where to store it. That's intelligent. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 20 20:32:39 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22376; Sun, 20 Nov 94 20:32:39 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09663; Sun, 20 Nov 94 20:27:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from plumtree.async.vt.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09657; Sun, 20 Nov 94 20:27:34 -0800 Received: by java (Smail3.1.28.1 #18) id m0r9Lco-000B4WC; Sun, 20 Nov 94 18:24 EST Date: Sun, 20 Nov 1994 18:24:49 -0500 (EST) From: Laurence Lundblade X-Sender: lgl@java To: Nick Lurie Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Will Pine Ever be Intelligent? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Nick, are you commenting on the user interface in Pine for attachment (assuming you've got some form of attachments to work) or on the fact that attachments don't work at all? Here's an answer if the latter is the question: There's actually two formats that are commonly used for attachments these days, MIME and uuencode (Surely that has been discussed here before??). Uuencode is kind of an old defacto convention that has many short comings (not reliable over all links, ill defined, can't tag the type of attachment.) MIME is soon to the be the Internet standard for attachments, and is fully implemented in Pine. Eudora is capable of doing both uuencode and MIME though maybe not all versions. I suspect if you got your Eudora using friends to reconfig it for MIME you'd find it operating quite intelligently! Also, I'm not sure what you mean by translation. Pine and Eudora should do just fine for text files and binaries if you just want to move the bits around. Laurence Lundblade LGL@CSGrad.CS.VT.EDU (and a few other addresses) http://oneworld.wa.com/laurence/home.html Virginia Tech CS -- Blacksburg, Virginia, US -- 703-552-2537 On 21 Nov 1994, Nick Lurie wrote: > Yes! If I want to attach a document I choose attach and then click on the > file I want to send. Eudora translates the document. If the person I am > sending the file to is running Eudora, NuPop or some other intelligent mail > program, the file is automatically translated back to the right format and > the person can choose where to store it. That's intelligent. > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 20 20:41:51 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22622; Sun, 20 Nov 94 20:41:51 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09763; Sun, 20 Nov 94 20:34:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09757; Sun, 20 Nov 94 20:34:15 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r9Q6R-000008C; Sun, 20 Nov 94 20:11 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: slr@crl.com (S. Rennacker) Subject: Re: How to post news through pine or elm? Date: 20 Nov 1994 20:11:40 -0800 Message-Id: <3ap6ls$pdc@crl10.crl.com> References: <397934$pjg@spool.cs.wisc.edu> <3agb0t$on9@crl5.crl.com> <3agjjs$iqa@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <3aomouINNfjb@tahma.cs.hut.fi> Sami-Jaakko Tikka (sti@cs.hut.fi) wrote: : In article <3agjjs$iqa@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, pgallot@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu : (Acme Prez.) wrote: : > personally, I feel that the two are different enough that it's : > worth it to keep a distinction between mail and netnews. (snip) Whereas the separation might usually be useful, special circumstances sometimes make it helpful or necessary to mail to a newsgroup. Just having the address should be all that it takes. I am told that the form: news-group-name@internet.address would do it, so I ask: 1. Is that correct? 2. How can one ascertain the "internet.address" portion of the above from a newsgroup heading? For example, to what address would one send a message via mail to news.newusers.questions (news-newusers-questions@what.address)? Steve -- S. L. Rennacker slr@crl.com "Corrupt politicians make the other ten percent look bad." --- Henry Kissinger From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 20 20:45:43 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22687; Sun, 20 Nov 94 20:45:43 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09265; Sun, 20 Nov 94 19:53:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from asl-labs.bc.ca by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09259; Sun, 20 Nov 94 19:53:45 -0800 Received: by asl3.asl-labs.bc.ca (5.4R3.00/200.2.1.5) id AA09218; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 19:50:18 -0800 Date: Sun, 20 Nov 1994 19:50:18 -0800 (PST) From: "Brian P. Hampson" Subject: Re: Wyse 30 Terminals Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 18 Nov 1994, Dennis Golden wrote: > Well, if the Wyse 30 is a magic cookie terminal as is the Wyse 50, it will take > a lot of modification to make pine/pico work correctly (if at all). Since the > main application that we use (hotel reservation system) was written for the Wyse > 50, I looked at making the changes necessary to support them; however, I have > really not had any time to do so. > > If anyone has done this, I would certainly like to know. If you do decide to take on the Mods, PLEASE make them a globally addable thing, not just for a specfic port. WYSE50's are USEABLE, but not terribly fun for our new users to try and remember the ^N ^P stuff...especially when [cursor down] translates to DELETE line :( B. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Brian P. Hampson Internet: brian@asl-labs.bc.ca | |System Administration, | |Analytical Service Labs Fidonet : Brian Hampson 1:153/733 | |Vancouver, BC | | | | Specialists in Environmental Chemistry | | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 20 21:50:09 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23894; Sun, 20 Nov 94 21:50:09 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10732; Sun, 20 Nov 94 21:43:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10722; Sun, 20 Nov 94 21:43:29 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Mon, 21 Nov 94 13:40:03 -0800 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 13:40:00 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: "David S. Eitelbach" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? In-Reply-To: <3ao0sh$8kd@crl5.crl.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 20 Nov 1994, David S. Eitelbach wrote: > Some others are: > > "It's a poor plan that admits of no modification." > > "Mediocre minds tend to dismiss anything that reaches > beyond their own understanding." > > "None are so blind as those that will not see" > > "Old people like to give good advice as solace for > no longer being able to provide bad examples." Yes, that goes a long way to proving that there is more than one side to every story. And, you can also prove anything you want with statistics.... > > I've read some people suggest that the default behaviour of pine > > is likely to lead to embarrassment to the novice user. Maybe I've not interpreted this correctly...but on Date: 17 Nov 1994 10:43:39 -0800 you stated: "It's dangerous. It stinks. And it's already happening. Ironically, Pine is touted as the choice for novice users." > No, that's not it. The point was that it leads to the embarrassment > of innocent people who may not even use Pine. Reread my earlier > posts; I'm not going to annoy people by recapitulating the thing for > yet a fourth time. Chances are you need to go back and re-read your posts: --------Begin reruns------- On 14 Nov 1994 05:24:36 you stated: (underline added) Since you missed it the first time, I'll try again with an example: You are thinking of buying an Acme computer and you post to comp.comp.acme, asking what owners of Acme think. I own an Acme and don't like it at all. Rather than post a reply and get flamed for not liking Acmes, I email you with my impressions from my newsreader. You get the email and read it in ------------------- Pine. You have some followup questions. In emailing me, you don't read the second prompt and the message is posted to the group as well as mailed. Not my fault, is it? Mark Crispin replied...and on 18 Nov 1994 05:15:18 -0800 you replied to Mark: > Let me get this straight. > You use a news reader that sends mail, and in that mail > it implies that the message was posted to a newsgroup. I'm sorry, but it does not. In the scenario, I am replying to a public posting via private email only. The message I send is not posted to the newsgroup and there is no implication that it was. ------End reruns----- Let's make a little graph from what you said on 14 Nov 1994. User A (pine user) User B (non-pine user) 1. Posts message to a newsgroup Replies, via email from within using Pine. newsreader. 2. Reads message. Eats cheese doodles. 3. Replies to message and is offered to Sips on favorite drink. post as well. 4. Missed second prompt and posted reply. Gets really embarrassed and down right angry. Unless User B's newsreader left the Newsgroups header on the reply.... how do you think pine got the impression that the discussion was on news? Not too long ago, I'd sent a priviate email to someone in our HQ. In his reply the individual Cc:'d several others. I wasn't very happy about that. But, if the UA that the other person was using would have been configured to prevent addition of Cc's to replies...or if it gave out the warning, "You've added Cc: in a reply to a message that was directed solely towards you. Please reconsider as you may embarrass the innocent person that originated the message" ... I may have been saved. Maybe UAs should also be configured to prevent people from editing the original message that they are forwarding? I'm sure you know what evil things can happen when people are quoted out of context. IMHO, people that are naive enough to think that what they say in a "private" exchange will not be repeated or seen by others are.... well...naive. IMHO, people that make statements that are a potential embarrassement should be prepared to accept the consequences should their remarks become public. People that make potentially embarrassing statements are not "innocent". They are careless. If they cannot accept responsibility for what they have said....they are weannies. Regards, Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 20 22:53:48 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25110; Sun, 20 Nov 94 22:53:48 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14161; Sun, 20 Nov 94 22:39:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14155; Sun, 20 Nov 94 22:38:59 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r9S32-000008C; Sun, 20 Nov 94 22:16 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ahurley@halcyon.halcyon.com (Andree Hurley) Subject: Help! Braodcast address change and other probs Message-Id: <1994Nov18.235754.11305@linkoping.trab.se> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 23:57:54 GMT First problem: Using Telnet and can't seem to get the delete key to work. 2) In Pine, ^C is not responding, other keys are 3) I would like to broadcast an address change to my address book. Is this possible? 4) Or, if I include my three seperate lists in bcc, can I tell Pine to delete duplicates? 5) Somehow Pine crashed after I had been working on problems 3 and 4 and all my work (an hours worth) of deleting duplicate addresses was lost. Sometimes Pine will save the message to be resumed later but not this time. Why? Thanks for the help in advance, I am very frustrated! Andree ahurley@halcon.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 21 00:37:31 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26949; Mon, 21 Nov 94 00:37:31 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12758; Mon, 21 Nov 94 00:29:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12752; Mon, 21 Nov 94 00:29:26 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r9Tpe-000008C; Mon, 21 Nov 94 00:10 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jollie@odie.weeg.uiowa.edu (Jeffrey C. Ollie) Subject: Re: Anyone know about tabs in PINE? Date: 21 Nov 1994 07:16:20 GMT Message-Id: References: <3am1lv$dh3@news.cais.com> In-Reply-To: jlfitz@cais2.cais.com's message of 19 Nov 1994 23:27:59 GMT >>"J" == Jeffrey Fitzgerald writes: J> J> Everytime I try to use tabs in PINE, I get a loooonngg tab. Is J> there a preset way to adjust them to a normal 5 space length??? The de-facto standard for the number of columns that you get when you tab is eight spaces. The five spaces that you want is not normal. -- Jeffrey C. Ollie E-Mail: jeffrey-ollie@uiowa.edu GCS d-- H s:+>s g+ !p au+ a- w+ v+ C++$ UA++ P++(+++) L+ 3 E+ N++ K- W--- M+ V- po- Y+ t++(+) 5+(+++) j R G? tv+ b+++(++) D+ B-- e++ u---(-) h f+ r++ n- y+ PGP Key: finger jollie@odie.weeg.uiowa.edu TIS/PEM Key: on request From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 21 03:00:52 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00273; Mon, 21 Nov 94 03:00:52 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17265; Mon, 21 Nov 94 02:55:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mail.crl.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17259; Mon, 21 Nov 94 02:55:31 -0800 Received: from crl.crl.com (crl.com) by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA28221 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 02:54:50 -0800 Received: by crl.crl.com id AA18851 (5.65c/IDA-1.5); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 02:54:49 -0800 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 02:54:48 -0800 (PST) From: "David S. Eitelbach" To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 21 Nov 1994, Ed Greshko wrote: [some sayings deleted] > Yes, that goes a long way to proving that there is more than one > side to every story. And, you can also prove anything you want with > statistics.... Or aphorisms--especially "Universals". > Let's make a little graph from what you said on 14 Nov 1994. In your graph, you indicate "User A" posted from Pine. I believe Tin was used, but don't think it matters. Both real users used Pine and Tin: Pine for email, Tin for newsreading, I believe. Interestingly, when "User A" tried to delete the offending message using Tin, it couldn't be done. My test confirmed this. Usually you can delete your own messages, but not in this case. When Pine makes an ass of a user, it does it up right. > Unless User B's newsreader left the Newsgroups header on the reply.... > how do you think pine got the impression that the discussion was on news? Who gives a damn? This is a red herring anyway. (You would have me believe that Pine is some kind of mindless mailer that has to rely on Tin to tell it stuff, when your camp says Tin is "broken"?) Look, make the feature able to be toggled off and/or make the default more conservative. And quit trying to shift blame. It's unseemly. > IMHO, people that are naive enough to think that what they say > in a "private" exchange will not be repeated or seen by others are.... > well...naive. The fact that some people fail to keep secrets means that private emails should be posted publicly? > IMHO, people that make statements that are a potential > embarrassement should be prepared to accept the consequences > should their remarks become public. People that make potentially > embarrassing statements are not "innocent". They are careless. > If they cannot accept responsibility for what they have said.... > they are weannies. "Weannies"? Jeez. I knew this would become a "manhood" issue sooner or later. "Accepting responsibility" has nothing to do with it. The fact is, as you know, that we all speak more frankly and openly in some situations than others and that we may shape our remarks according to who we are talking to. I'm not necessarily going to be as candid with my boss as with my wife, anymore than you're going to tell the cop who just pulled you over for speeding the first two words that popped into your head when you saw him in the mirror. You can't reshape the norms of human behavior to accommodate an errant feature of Pine. David S. Eitelbach dseitel@crl.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 21 03:00:55 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00284; Mon, 21 Nov 94 03:00:55 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17249; Mon, 21 Nov 94 02:54:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17243; Mon, 21 Nov 94 02:54:36 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r9Vyu-000006C; Mon, 21 Nov 94 02:28 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Jonas.Regmyr@telelogic.se (Jonas Regmyr) Subject: Re: Postpone -> BUG Date: 21 Nov 1994 10:16:49 GMT Message-Id: <3aps2i$1mq@remus.telelogic.se> References: <3ai13t$bha@remus.telelogic.se> Ok, ok, I`ve found the problem. It was me, not pine! Sorry for wasting your time with this. Pine IS working, the bug I found was in my brain and nowhere else. =0 Thanx... /Jonas... __________________________________________________________________ Mail: Jonas Regmyr Email: Jonas.Regmyr@telelogic.se Carl Hillsgatan 9 dat91jre@ludat.lth.se S-217 56 Malmoe Sweden jr@df.lth.se Phone: +46 (0)40 91 42 41 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 21 05:00:26 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03259; Mon, 21 Nov 94 05:00:26 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16110; Mon, 21 Nov 94 04:39:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16104; Mon, 21 Nov 94 04:39:54 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r9Xeo-000006C; Mon, 21 Nov 94 04:15 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jtbell@presby.edu (Jon Bell) Subject: Re: How to post news through pine or elm? Message-Id: Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 12:12:53 GMT References: <397934$pjg@spool.cs.wisc.edu> <3agjjs$iqa@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <3aomouINNfjb@tahma.cs.hut.fi> <3ap6ls$pdc@crl10.crl.com> S. Rennacker wrote: >Whereas the separation might usually be useful, special circumstances >sometimes make it helpful or necessary to mail to a newsgroup. Just >having the address should be all that it takes. I am told that the form: >news-group-name@internet.address would do it, so I ask: > >1. Is that correct? Yes. >2. How can one ascertain the "internet.address" portion of the above from >a newsgroup heading? For example, to what address would one send a >message via mail to news.newusers.questions >(news-newusers-questions@what.address)? There are several sites that provide this service for most (if not all) of the "worldwide" newsgroups. You can probably find a list in Scott Yanoff's "Internet Services Guide" in news.answers. -- Jon Bell Presbyterian College Dept. of Physics and Computer Science Clinton, South Carolina USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 21 05:03:18 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03475; Mon, 21 Nov 94 05:03:18 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16316; Mon, 21 Nov 94 04:58:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16310; Mon, 21 Nov 94 04:58:01 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Mon, 21 Nov 94 20:54:34 -0800 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 20:54:33 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: "David S. Eitelbach" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 21 Nov 1994, David S. Eitelbach wrote: > You can't reshape the norms of human behavior to accommodate an > errant feature of Pine. And you can't create software to accommodate all the "norms" of human behavior. If you don't believe that...then why not take the freely available source code make the "necessary" modifications and try to please as many people as you can. For my money, oops pine is free :-), I'd rather have the Pine Team working on features such as implementing such as RFC 1522 (subliminal message) than inventing a set of useless options. Regards, Ed BTW, I detest people who dare to assume what the first few words pop into my head when I'm caught speeding...and that I wouldn't want to repeat them to the police officer. Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 21 07:10:20 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06243; Mon, 21 Nov 94 07:10:20 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20486; Mon, 21 Nov 94 07:02:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from medisun.med.utoronto.ca by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20480; Mon, 21 Nov 94 07:02:55 -0800 Received: by medisun.med.utoronto.ca id <75781>; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 10:02:28 -0500 From: "Nancy E. Worth" To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Problem with foldernames on Solaris Cc: worth@medisun.med.utoronto.ca Content-Length: 608 Message-Id: <94Nov21.100228edt.75781@medisun.med.utoronto.ca> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 10:02:19 -0500 Hi, I've just installed Pine 3.91 on Solaris 2.3 with SUN's C 3.0 When I go into Folder List, other than INBOX, all my other mail files that were created with unix mail, are missing the first 2 characters in the file name. (They are in a directory called mail if that makes a difference.) Has anyone else seen this, or have a fix for it. I'm just starting to go through the code. Thanks, Nancy. -- Nancy E. Worth worth@medac.med.utoronto.ca & postmaster Computing Support Division, Faculty of Medicine, University of Toronto Standard Disclaimers... "I'm for Sail" "Fly a Hobie" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 21 09:13:24 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10648; Mon, 21 Nov 94 09:13:24 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20310; Mon, 21 Nov 94 09:03:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20304; Mon, 21 Nov 94 09:03:20 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r9bfm-000024C; Mon, 21 Nov 94 08:32 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dmaurer@netcom.com (Dennis M. Maurer) Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? Message-Id: References: <3ao0sh$8kd@crl5.crl.com> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 16:07:29 GMT Ed Greshko (egreshko@hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com) wrote: : IMHO, people that make statements that are a potential : embarrassement should be prepared to accept the consequences should their : remarks become public. People that make potentially embarrassing statements : are not "innocent". They are careless. If they cannot accept responsibility : for what they have said....they are weannies. Speaking of statements that are a potential embarrassment... Maybe, since you make such statements public, you have no concern for what you say in private, the rest of the world may feel different. Can I assume that you feel the same way about anything your say to your banker, clergymen, spouse, etc? Dennis M. Maurer -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 21 09:29:04 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11313; Mon, 21 Nov 94 09:29:04 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23170; Mon, 21 Nov 94 09:20:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23164; Mon, 21 Nov 94 09:20:43 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r9aXC-00001GC; Mon, 21 Nov 94 07:20 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Steven D. Majewski" Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? In-Reply-To: <3aorco$kqm@hustle.rahul.net> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 14:19:04 GMT On 21 Nov 1994, Rahul Dhesi wrote: > I have to respectfully disagree about this. When you send a private > response to a Usenet posting, the Newsgroups: header in the private > response tells the recipient that you are responding to a Usenet > posting, not to a previous email message. This is a useful function > for a Newsgroups: header in email. It has been this way for many years > and it has worked well. I don't think it is a good idea to > retroactively declare this broken. If authors of newer software wish > to have a mechanism for signifying that what looks like private email > is really intended to be a News posting, they should find something > that is compatible with the existing news readers. While I think you make some good points in your post, I think it is a severe distortion of the facts to declare this usage some sort of existing de facto standard. In fact, a number of different programs - news readers and mail<>news gateways and others have been using both "Newsgroups:" and "X-Newsgroups:" in inconsistant ways for some time. There is in fact no existing de facto agreement on the meaning of "Newsgroups:" ( and even the meaning defined in rfc1036 for news messages is too loose to be useful - thus Henry Spencer's attempt to tighten up and disambiguate some of those definitions in "Son of rfc1036" ) To imply that there has been some sort of universally accepted convention which "newer software" is violating is a distortion of the facts. The reason this has NOW come to be an issue is that people (and programs) would like to be able to determine whether something was a private reply or a public posting, thus some standard way of labeling that would be useful. Useful, but judging from the lact of consensus on what that standard ought to be, unlikely. Lacking any such standard, the best a current program ( like Pine ) can do is to indicate to the user that this message MIGHT have been a public posting, and ask the user what he wants to do about it. It is certainly not the program's fault if the message is ambiguous or if the user guesses wrong. -- Steve Majewski (804-982-0831) -- -- UVA Department of Molecular Physiology and Biological Physics -- -- Box 449 Health Science Center Charlottesville,VA 22908 -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 21 09:30:28 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11397; Mon, 21 Nov 94 09:30:28 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20865; Mon, 21 Nov 94 09:20:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20859; Mon, 21 Nov 94 09:20:39 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r9avg-00000HC; Mon, 21 Nov 94 07:45 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pbarber@eskimo.com (Putnam Barber) Subject: Directory inconsistencies might need attention Message-Id: Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 14:46:10 GMT If I change my working directory before entering pine (to say ~/sub) and then read-in or write-out (^R or ^E) files, everything works as expected and the files are stored and found in the specified directory. But, if I use the ^T option under the same conditions, the files displayed are /always/ the files in my home directory, and to get back to ~/sub requires G sub. To my taste, pine should either respect the selection of a working directory consistently or require a full explicit path consistently. Perhaps there's a flag that can be set to control this behavior. If so, I haven't found it (but can't claim to have worn out any electrons looking). Putnam Barber Seattle From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 21 09:41:49 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12017; Mon, 21 Nov 94 09:41:49 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21238; Mon, 21 Nov 94 09:34:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21232; Mon, 21 Nov 94 09:34:37 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r9cI0-00000OC; Mon, 21 Nov 94 09:12 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Brad Subject: Re: Getting Rid Of PICO??? Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 17:00:25 +0000 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: The pico source is not built into pine. It is, would you believe, a file called pico! :) If you enable-alternate-editor-implicitly, then you don't ever need to see pico--as soon as you enter the body of the message, the alternate editor will be envoked. On Mon, 21 Nov 1994, Pete Holsberg wrote: > The word I want to use is REPLACE! As in, you never see pico!! Is pico > source built-in to pine??? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 21 10:02:48 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13025; Mon, 21 Nov 94 10:02:48 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23920; Mon, 21 Nov 94 09:48:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23911; Mon, 21 Nov 94 09:48:07 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r9cTI-00000EC; Mon, 21 Nov 94 09:24 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dmaurer@netcom.com (Dennis M. Maurer) Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? Message-Id: Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 17:08:52 GMT All, This has happened to me, I responded to a public post via private e-mail and my private e-mail ended up back as a public post. Reading here and in conversion with the respondent of my private e-mail, I believe a combination of his hurry and Pine's option was the cause. BTW - My post was in good taste and I was not embarrassed by the incident. I have send other private e-mail, where I would have been upset to see it go public. I see lots of finger pointing and casting of blame, but I see it very simply... Pine should NOT offer an option to publicly post if it came from private e-mail. If Pine cannot reliability determine if mail is private, then it should treat ALL mail as private and offer no such option. If we are to err, let us do so on the side of privacy. Regards, Dennis M. Maurer -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 21 10:53:18 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15467; Mon, 21 Nov 94 10:53:18 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23014; Mon, 21 Nov 94 10:42:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23008; Mon, 21 Nov 94 10:42:03 -0800 Received: from elvis.med.virginia.edu by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa11096; 21 Nov 94 13:41 EST Received: by elvis.med.Virginia.EDU (5.65c/1.34) id AA25428; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 13:41:58 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.mail.headers Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 13:41:54 -0500 (EST) From: "Steven D. Majewski" X-Sender: sdm7g@elvis.med.Virginia.EDU To: "Dennis M. Maurer" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 21 Nov 1994, Dennis M. Maurer wrote: > > I see lots of finger pointing and casting of blame, but I see it > very simply... > > Pine should NOT offer an option to publicly post if it came from > private e-mail. If Pine cannot reliability determine if mail is > private, then it should treat ALL mail as private and offer no such > option. > > If we are to err, let us do so on the side of privacy. Pine does just exactly what, I believe (from, admittedly my own small sample of users), Pine users *want* it to do. If you were able to somehow convince the Pine developers that your suggestion was a good idea, then I'm sure many current Pine users would go looking for another program that does what they want. Making it *impossible* for users to do what they want/need has never been a good rule of user interface design. i.e. the customers/users WANT email/news integration, and what we need are firmer more explicit standards for messaged to assist this integration. In the mean time, Pine does the ONLY REASONABLE thing: it asks the user what HE wants to do with the message. [ I expect with even newer ways to reply to messages, like from a WWW server via a HTTP client ( perhaps via an imap <-> html gateway, like the one I've been working on ) you will see even more of this sort of integration confusion. ] Changing Pine is not a viable solution. ( i.e. changing Pine is possible, but it's not a solution to the problem. ) Amending the news and mail standards to disambiguate the situation would be a better approach. The question then is what those standards should be, and whether even that will do what you want - avoid a human decision ( that may be incorrect ) about the disposition of the message. I think the simplest solution is that the standards be tightened to require that "Newsgroups:" means what it appears to mean - that that message has been posted to the following newsgroups. I don't think that change will remove the need for a human decision at some point in the process, but I think it will be helpful and useful enough to be worth the effort. -- Steve Majewski (804-982-0831) -- -- UVA Department of Molecular Physiology and Biological Physics -- -- Box 449 Health Science Center Charlottesville,VA 22908 -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 21 12:28:15 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19956; Mon, 21 Nov 94 12:28:15 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25605; Mon, 21 Nov 94 12:20:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25599; Mon, 21 Nov 94 12:20:58 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r9esr-00000EC; Mon, 21 Nov 94 11:58 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr) Subject: Re: Problem with foldernames on Solaris Date: 21 Nov 1994 14:21:53 -0500 Message-Id: <3aqs0h$f4d@bosnia.pop.psu.edu> References: <94Nov21.100228edt.75781@medisun.med.utoronto.ca> In article <94Nov21.100228edt.75781@medisun.med.utoronto.ca>, Nancy E. Worth wrote: > I've just installed Pine 3.91 on Solaris 2.3 with SUN's C 3.0 >When I go into Folder List, other than INBOX, all my other mail files >that were created with unix mail, are missing the first 2 characters >in the file name. (They are in a directory called mail if that makes >a difference.) Don't compile Pine with /usr/ucb/cc. (see "which cc") You must use /opt/SUNWspro/bin/cc Make sure you compiled with "./build sol", not "./build sun" --Dave From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 21 12:57:38 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21094; Mon, 21 Nov 94 12:57:38 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28438; Mon, 21 Nov 94 12:45:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28431; Mon, 21 Nov 94 12:45:57 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r9fJS-00000EC; Mon, 21 Nov 94 12:26 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jdavis@CS.Arizona.EDU (Jim Davis) Subject: Re: Problem with foldernames on Solaris Date: 21 Nov 1994 11:00:35 -0700 Message-Id: <3aqn83$343@wolf.CS.Arizona.EDU> References: <94Nov21.100228edt.75781@medisun.med.utoronto.ca> In article <94Nov21.100228edt.75781@medisun.med.utoronto.ca>, Nancy E. Worth wrote: :Hi, : I've just installed Pine 3.91 on Solaris 2.3 with SUN's C 3.0 :When I go into Folder List, other than INBOX, all my other mail files :that were created with unix mail, are missing the first 2 characters :in the file name. (They are in a directory called mail if that makes :a difference.) : Has anyone else seen this, or have a fix for it. I'm just starting :to go through the code. You've linked in the worthless UCB emulation library somehow. That filename mangling is the classic symptom. The classic cure is to not link in anything lurking in /usr/ucblib. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 21 13:15:48 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22387; Mon, 21 Nov 94 13:15:48 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26872; Mon, 21 Nov 94 13:08:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26866; Mon, 21 Nov 94 13:08:23 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r9fcD-00001VC; Mon, 21 Nov 94 12:45 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cajrosen@utu.fi (Caj Kurt Rosenqvist) Subject: Pine problem.. Message-Id: Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 20:31:01 GMT I installad Pine with my Linux slackware package. Now I have had some very strange problems. Pine won't start. It just does nothing. I can't figure out what is wrong. Can anybody? This problem just came up. I did no changes to any configuration files. And another questionn, wherefrom can I find the latest version of pine? I know, this is a FAQ but I desperately need that information. You can e-mail the answer to me to cajrosen@polaris.utu. Thank you very much! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 21 15:06:53 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28529; Mon, 21 Nov 94 15:06:53 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29331; Mon, 21 Nov 94 14:56:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29325; Mon, 21 Nov 94 14:56:05 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r9h3d-000008C; Mon, 21 Nov 94 14:17 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dseitel@crl.com (David S. Eitelbach) Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? Date: 21 Nov 1994 13:50:23 -0800 Message-Id: <3ar4mv$5j5@crl2.crl.com> References: > On Mon, 21 Nov 1994, David S. Eitelbach wrote: > > You can't reshape the norms of human behavior to accommodate an > > errant feature of Pine. Ed Greshko wrote: > And you can't create software to accommodate all the "norms" > of human behavior. Not what we're asking, and you know it. We're asking that one stinking toggle be added or the default changed. > If you don't believe that...then why not take the freely available > source code make the "necessary" modifications and try to please > as many people as you can. What's the big deal in asking one more toggle be added to prevent what has already happened from happening to other innocents? Where does the concept of "customer" or "user" mentioned elsewhere by Mr. Majewski fit in to this attitude: if you don't like it, go make your own? > For my money, oops pine is free :-), I'd rather have the Pine Team > working on features such as implementing such as RFC 1522 (subliminal > message) than inventing a set of useless options. A value judgement. "Useless" to you. Desireable or essential to others. I appreciate that it's free, but that doesn't necessarily mean criticism should be rejected. David S. Eitelbach dseitel@crl.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 21 16:19:41 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02366; Mon, 21 Nov 94 16:19:41 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01531; Mon, 21 Nov 94 16:12:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01525; Mon, 21 Nov 94 16:12:17 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r9iTB-00000EC; Mon, 21 Nov 94 15:48 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: markstep@engin.umich.edu (Mark A. Stephan) Subject: not reading .addressbook Date: 21 Nov 1994 21:08:17 GMT Message-Id: <3ar281$843@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> When I switched versions of pine, I realized that the new pine was not accepting the old addressbook, and was trying to create a new one. Anyone get this problem? thanks! -mark -- Mark Stephan The University of Michigan markstep@engin.umich.edu computer engineering @chgdss10.chgd.med.umich.edu The U of M Solar Car Team From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 21 16:20:06 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02404; Mon, 21 Nov 94 16:20:06 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03734; Mon, 21 Nov 94 16:12:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03728; Mon, 21 Nov 94 16:12:07 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r9iSu-000008C; Mon, 21 Nov 94 15:48 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: markstep@engin.umich.edu (Mark A. Stephan) Subject: Printing problem on Mac Date: 21 Nov 1994 21:07:05 GMT Message-Id: <3ar25p$83d@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> When printing from pine V3.91, i select attached-to-ansi, and it will not print to the printer connected to the mac. It starts blinking as if it is going to print, but never does. Printing worked fine on our previous version of pine (v3.08 or something like that) and I was wondering if anyone has been able to fix this problem? thanks! -mark -- Mark Stephan The University of Michigan markstep@engin.umich.edu computer engineering @chgdss10.chgd.med.umich.edu The U of M Solar Car Team From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 21 16:44:48 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03667; Mon, 21 Nov 94 16:44:48 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04515; Mon, 21 Nov 94 16:37:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04509; Mon, 21 Nov 94 16:37:03 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r9isG-000008C; Mon, 21 Nov 94 16:14 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Steven D. Majewski" Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? In-Reply-To: <3ar3dk$56g@crl2.crl.com> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 22:39:57 GMT On 21 Nov 1994, David S. Eitelbach wrote: > True, but it _is_ the program's fault if the feature cannot be toggled > and/or the default be switched to the more conservative one. [ ... ] > But we don't want you to make it *impossible*. All we want is you to > change the default, or, better, let the user be able to toggle it off. [ ... ] > Right, but why not let the user be able to toggle it off and default > to the way it was in 3.89? So many toggles seemed to have been added > to the configuration setup screen in the new version, I can't believe > one more would hurt. OK - *I'm* not irrevocably opposed to toggles in the config file. As you said: I can't believe one more would hurt. If you're not getting a reasonable hearing from the Pine team ( or from other folks like myself who jump in to defend them ) it may be because all of the previous threads on this subject have made everyone a little defensive and combative. i.e. it's gotten into name calling about whose software is "broken" and not how to best deal with the problem. But I do strongly resist labeling it as a "Pine problem". As I noted in that discussion, I have some alpha WWW gateway code that will inevitably run into the same problem - it will typically be taking messages from a public-archive of messages, but there is no unambiguous way for the program to know whether it is a public archive or a store of private messages. If I add the capability to respond to messages ( which it doesn't currently have ) I will have to do basically the same thing - and it's unlikely ( because of the stateless nature of HTTP ) that this will be user configurable. In fact, because of the round trip overhead of asking for confirmation, it's unlikely to be as insistent as Pine about "are you sure..." I think increasing mail/news and other message integration is an inevitable trend. Todays issue of Network World has an article headed: "Universal in-boxes await more standards. Vendors working together to link voice, E-mail, fax, EDI into one interface." This article is not discussing IETF standards, but Electronic Messaging Association standards, however, whatever they come up with, the internet will probably have to deal with in some manner. The internet is bigger than usenet news, and it is going to have to deal with a wider range of integration problems than this one. -- Steve Majewski (804-982-0831) -- -- UVA Department of Molecular Physiology and Biological Physics -- -- Box 449 Health Science Center Charlottesville,VA 22908 -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 21 17:08:58 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05515; Mon, 21 Nov 94 17:08:58 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02858; Mon, 21 Nov 94 17:02:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02852; Mon, 21 Nov 94 17:02:22 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Tue, 22 Nov 94 08:58:59 -0800 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 08:58:56 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: "David S. Eitelbach" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? In-Reply-To: <3ar4mv$5j5@crl2.crl.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 21 Nov 1994, David S. Eitelbach wrote: > Not what we're asking, and you know it. We're asking that one stinking > toggle be added or the default changed. I have a *major* problem with changing the default operation. I work with users of pine in Tawian, Thailand, Mainland China, Korea, Malaysia, and Singapore. Everytime defaults are changed in programs such as pine there is major confusion....and frustration...and *not* on my part...but my "innocent" users. I don't believe my situation is unique. I have a problem with adding more and more toggles to software that *really* doesn't need it. While un-scientific, my little experiment with my cc:Mail users proved to me that pine was not as evil that some people make it out to be. Again, when my users in other countries have to deal with more toggles that don't enhance the software..... I recall one post suggesting that 3 additional toggles be added. The wording of the toggles and the possible combinations would give some native English speakers fits. It is magnitutes worse for people here in Asia. > I appreciate that it's free, but that doesn't necessarily mean criticism > should be rejected. I don't believe the criticism is being "rejected". Other people simply disagree with you. Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 21 17:57:45 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07388; Mon, 21 Nov 94 17:57:45 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04026; Mon, 21 Nov 94 17:48:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from medisun.med.utoronto.ca by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04020; Mon, 21 Nov 94 17:48:46 -0800 Received: by medisun.med.utoronto.ca id <75731>; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 20:48:24 -0500 From: "Nancy E. Worth" To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Problem with Solaris make Cc: worth@medisun.med.utoronto.ca Content-Length: 1135 Message-Id: <94Nov21.204824edt.75731@medisun.med.utoronto.ca> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 20:48:19 -0500 Several people got me straightened out with the missing characters on foldernames, by making sure I wasn't compiling with /usr/ucb/cc. Now pine won't compile at all with /opt/SUNWspro/bin/cc. Anyone have a fix for this? PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/openwin/bin:/opt/SUNWspro/bin:/usr/ccs/bin:/usr/sbin:/etc cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"SOL\" -c addrbook.c "/usr/include/unistd.h", line 171: identifier redeclared: rename current : function(pointer to char, pointer to char) returning int previous: function(pointer to const char, pointer to const char) returning int : "/usr/include/stdio.h", line 112 "addrbook.c", line 3954: cannot recover from previous errors cc: acomp failed for addrbook.c *** Error code 2 make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `addrbook.o' (I am in the process of moving from a VAX/VMS system to unix, so my unix is not that great yet.) Thanks again, Nancy. -- Nancy E. Worth worth@medac.med.utoronto.ca & postmaster (416)978-7557 Computing Support Division, Faculty of Medicine, University of Toronto Standard Disclaimers... "I'm for Sail" "Fly a Hobie!" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 21 18:19:40 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08006; Mon, 21 Nov 94 18:19:40 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04405; Mon, 21 Nov 94 18:11:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04398; Mon, 21 Nov 94 18:11:37 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r9kM9-000008C; Mon, 21 Nov 94 17:49 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? Date: 22 Nov 1994 00:09:09 GMT Message-Id: <3arcr5$dvd@hustle.rahul.net> References: In "Steven D. Majewski" writes: >While I think you make some good points in your post, I think it is a >severe distortion of the facts to declare this usage some sort of >existing de facto standard. Please! It is not a severe distortion of facts to say what I said. Like the man said, 'read my lips': When you send a private response to a Usenet posting, the Newsgroups: header in the private response tells the recipient that you are responding to a Usenet posting, not to a previous email message. All the more powerful news readers have worked this way for some years. If they include a Newsgroups: header in private mail sent in response to a usenet posting, this header is consistently used mean what I said it means. I do not know of any news reader (before pine) that includes a Newsgroups: header in a private response to a Usenet posting for any other purpose. If you know of counterexamples, please describe them. -- Rahul Dhesi From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 21 18:27:35 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08311; Mon, 21 Nov 94 18:27:35 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04455; Mon, 21 Nov 94 18:15:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04449; Mon, 21 Nov 94 18:15:12 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Tue, 22 Nov 94 10:11:40 -0800 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 10:11:39 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: "Dennis M. Maurer" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 21 Nov 1994, Dennis M. Maurer wrote: > Speaking of statements that are a potential embarrassment... Are you about to make one.... :-) Nothing of what you said had anything to do with the discussion. But, you are free to assume anything you wish. If you wish to continue this line of discussion I'd suggest you take it off-line solely because your remarks have nothing to do with pine and I doubt that others are interested. However, feel free to post to alt.flame or whatever. Regards, Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 21 18:45:05 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08762; Mon, 21 Nov 94 18:45:05 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06809; Mon, 21 Nov 94 18:33:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06803; Mon, 21 Nov 94 18:33:00 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08099; Mon, 21 Nov 94 18:32:57 -0800 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 18:32:56 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Hubert To: Andree Hurley Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Help! Braodcast address change and other probs In-Reply-To: <1994Nov18.235754.11305@linkoping.trab.se> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 18 Nov 1994, Andree Hurley wrote: > 2) In Pine, ^C is not responding, other keys are Some communications software intercepts ^C. A work-around in Pine is that you can type ESC ESC c to get the same thing as a ^C. If that works, that means your software is intercepting the ^C before it gets to Pine. > 3) I would like to broadcast an address change to my address book. Is > this possible? I think you mean that you have the same address in several different lists in your address book, and you'd like to change them all. There is no easy way to accomplish that from within Pine. You could use an editor outside of Pine and use the editor's global substitute command to do it. You have to be sure not to change tabs into spaces or add or subtract any tabs, though. (You should make a backup copy first.) Something you could do to help with this problem in the future is to use nicknames in your address book lists. That is, the list members can be nicknames that appear elsewhere in the address book (or some other address book of yours). That way, if that address changed you'd only have to change it in one place and it would propagate to the lists at run time. > 4) Or, if I include my three seperate lists in bcc, can I tell Pine to > delete duplicates? No, we haven't done that. Typically (in my experience, anyway) the mail transport agent will eliminate the duplicate copies for you when it sends the mail. > 5) Somehow Pine crashed after I had been working on problems 3 and 4 and > all my work (an hours worth) of deleting duplicate addresses was lost. > Sometimes Pine will save the message to be resumed later but not this > time. Why? I'm not exactly sure what you're saying you lost. Address book changes are written out to the address book file as you make them, so you can't lose more than the change you're working on (unless it manages to blast the file or something). If you do get crashes we would like to hear about it (pine@cac.washington.edu) along with as much information as you can give us. There is a Bug report bug in the main menu in 3.91 to send a bug report to us. If you are using version 3.90, there were some bugs that are fixed in 3.91, the current release. > Thanks for the help in advance, I am very frustrated! I hope that helps a little. > Andree > ahurley@halcon.com Steve Hubert Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 21 18:50:53 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08870; Mon, 21 Nov 94 18:50:53 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04907; Mon, 21 Nov 94 18:46:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04895; Mon, 21 Nov 94 18:45:57 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Tue, 22 Nov 94 10:42:27 -0800 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 10:42:26 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: "Nancy E. Worth" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, worth@medisun.med.utoronto.ca Subject: Re: Problem with Solaris make In-Reply-To: <94Nov21.204824edt.75731@medisun.med.utoronto.ca> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 21 Nov 1994, Nancy E. Worth wrote: > Several people got me straightened out with the missing characters on > foldernames, by making sure I wasn't compiling with /usr/ucb/cc. Now pine > won't compile at all with /opt/SUNWspro/bin/cc. Anyone have a fix for this? > > PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/openwin/bin:/opt/SUNWspro/bin:/usr/ccs/bin:/usr/sbin:/etc > > cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"SOL\" -c addrbook.c > "/usr/include/unistd.h", line 171: identifier redeclared: rename > current : function(pointer to char, pointer to char) returning int > previous: function(pointer to const char, pointer to const char) returning int : "/usr/include/stdio.h", line 112 > "addrbook.c", line 3954: cannot recover from previous errors > cc: acomp failed for addrbook.c > *** Error code 2 > make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `addrbook.o' In the pine directory, edit the CFLAGS line of makefile.sol to read: CFLAGS= -DSV4 $(OPTIMIZE) $(PROFILE) $(DEBUG) -DSYSTYPE=\"SOL\" -Dconst= Ed From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 21 19:05:06 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09270; Mon, 21 Nov 94 19:05:06 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05060; Mon, 21 Nov 94 18:57:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05053; Mon, 21 Nov 94 18:57:02 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r9l4c-00000HC; Mon, 21 Nov 94 18:35 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: yaojingt@iscs.nus.sg (Yao Jing Tao) Subject: Re: not reading .addressbook Date: 22 Nov 1994 01:35:01 GMT Message-Id: <3arhs5$rc2@nuscc.nus.sg> References: <3ar281$843@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Mark A. Stephan (markstep@engin.umich.edu) wrote: : When I switched versions of pine, I realized that the new pine was not : accepting the old addressbook, and was trying to create a new one. Anyone : get this problem? : thanks! : -mark : -- : Mark Stephan The University of Michigan : markstep@engin.umich.edu computer engineering : @chgdss10.chgd.med.umich.edu The U of M Solar Car Team Yes, some of versions use TAB as seperator some of use SPACE. any others? -- ========================================================================= Mr. YAO Jingtao Email: yaojingt@iscs.nus.sg Information System and Computer Science or: scip4006@leonis.nus.sg National University of Singapore Tel: (65) 772 6838 (O) Lower Kent Ridge Road (65) 772 2767 (Lab) Singapore 0511 Fax: (65) 779 4580 ========================================================================= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 21 19:21:07 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09638; Mon, 21 Nov 94 19:21:07 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07142; Mon, 21 Nov 94 18:57:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07136; Mon, 21 Nov 94 18:56:59 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r9l3i-00000EC; Mon, 21 Nov 94 18:34 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: think@netcom.com (Paul Nanson) Subject: converting elm aliases Message-Id: Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 01:34:11 GMT Are there any programs to convert an elm aliases.text file to a pine addressbook? -- Paul Nanson think@netcom.com pdn@vnet.ibm.com (BR) PGP public key avail "Bipartisanship is for chumps." -- Tony Snow, Arkansas Democrat-Gazette From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 21 19:21:25 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09662; Mon, 21 Nov 94 19:21:25 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05184; Mon, 21 Nov 94 19:02:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05178; Mon, 21 Nov 94 19:02:14 -0800 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29703; Mon, 21 Nov 94 19:02:08 -0800 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 19:02:06 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: Rahul Dhesi Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? In-Reply-To: <3arcr5$dvd@hustle.rahul.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 22 Nov 1994, Rahul Dhesi wrote: > All the more powerful news readers have worked this way for some > years. If they include a Newsgroups: header in private mail sent in > response to a usenet posting, this header is consistently used mean > what I said it means. I do not know of any news reader (before pine) > that includes a Newsgroups: header in a private response to a Usenet > posting for any other purpose. If you know of counterexamples, please > describe them. Pine does NOT "include a Newsgroups: header in a private response" --presuming that "private response" means an *email* reply. I think it is clear that Pine is correct in this behavior, as it avoids the ambiguity that everyone is concerned about. The issue at hand has to do with messages *not* created by Pine. In particular: under what circumstances users should have an opportunity to OPTIONALLY follow-up, via news, a message sent by some *other* program that happens to include a Newsgroups header. Note that the oft-repeated suggestion that Pine simply infer the correct action based on the transport protocol in use is, as has been mentioned previously, infeasible. NNTP is not the only way to access news in Pine, and even if it were, there are other situations where the original transport protocol cannot be reliably determined. See my previous posts for more details and possible alternatives. -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 21 20:26:15 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11408; Mon, 21 Nov 94 20:26:15 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06246; Mon, 21 Nov 94 20:17:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tango.rahul.net by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06240; Mon, 21 Nov 94 20:17:07 -0800 Received: from bolero.rahul.net by tango.rahul.net with SMTP id AA27862 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 20:17:06 -0800 Received: by bolero.rahul.net id AA26048 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 20:17:05 -0800 Message-Id: <199411220417.AA26048@bolero.rahul.net> To: Terry Gray Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? In-Reply-To: Message from Terry Gray of Mon, 21 Nov 94 19:02:06 -0800 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 94 20:17:04 -0800 From: Rahul Dhesi Thanks, I stand corrected, I was making an incorrect assumption about pine includes a Newsgroups: header in private email. > The issue at hand has to do with messages *not* created by Pine. In > particular: under what circumstances users should have an opportunity to > OPTIONALLY follow-up, via news, a message sent by some *other* program that > happens to include a Newsgroups header. By 'a message' were you referring to private email? If so: Posting to Usenet in response to private email is never an appropriate action -- at least not one that the mail user agent should include in its menu. If the sender of the original email had wanted a public discussion he or she would have posted to Usenet instead of sending private email. In effect you are asking a question roughly like this: The issue at hand has to do with what to do if somebody whispers privately in my ear. Should I optionally shout out my reply? Only if one has no manners at all, I think. I do not understand why this is even an issue. Rahul From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 21 20:29:57 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11485; Mon, 21 Nov 94 20:29:57 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08426; Mon, 21 Nov 94 20:21:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08420; Mon, 21 Nov 94 20:21:44 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r9mQX-000008C; Mon, 21 Nov 94 20:01 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: james@basil.sl.pitt.edu (Oh Captain) Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? Date: 22 Nov 1994 03:13:48 GMT Message-Id: <3arnlc$8ti@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> References: <3arcr5$dvd@hustle.rahul.net> In article <3arcr5$dvd@hustle.rahul.net>, Rahul Dhesi wrote: >Please! It is not a severe distortion of facts to say what I said. >Like the man said, 'read my lips': > > When you send a private response to a Usenet posting, the > Newsgroups: header in the private response tells the recipient that > you are responding to a Usenet posting, not to a previous email > message. > >All the more powerful news readers have worked this way for some >years. If they include a Newsgroups: header in private mail sent in >response to a usenet posting, this header is consistently used mean >what I said it means. I do not know of any news reader (before pine) >that includes a Newsgroups: header in a private response to a Usenet >posting for any other purpose. If you know of counterexamples, please >describe them. All right, I personally can't think of a counterexample off hand, but gnus might be one; I'm not so familiar with it. In any case, the numbers of newsreaders that work this way don't affect the fact that it is plainly and intuitively broken behavior and rampant violation of any logical standards process. What these newsreaders are doing is copying over headers from a replied- to message into a format for which they are undefined. If this copying was happening because that module of the program didn't understand the headers, this is ridiculous; would we want this behavior for headers like Content-Type? If it's for some other reason, it's equally absurd; it preempts an undefined but potentially useful header, changing the semantics radically from the only place such a header was and *still is currently* defined, and using it to include metainformation not about the message in which it occurs but about the message to which it is a reply and the specific means by which that message was read. This is completely different than anything in any RFC for either email or news; the only other thing that ever is indicated about a replied-to message is its Message-ID, which defines a standard of encapsulation that this *awful* behavior wrt the Newsgroups: header gratuitously breaks. -- James Deikun #include ObObThing: ObZumabait: wow, it's almost Turkey Day... From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 21 21:59:51 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13186; Mon, 21 Nov 94 21:59:51 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07493; Mon, 21 Nov 94 21:52:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07487; Mon, 21 Nov 94 21:52:25 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r9nnd-00000MC; Mon, 21 Nov 94 21:29 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: peneva@interport.net (Diana Peneva) Subject: Dropped packets Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 00:30:03 UNDEFINED Message-Id: I have a link from my PC to a distant (network-wise) machine, that drops packets very often. Using ping, I find that about 20% of the packets are dropped regularly -- sometimes 40%, sometimes 10%. But never 0. Who is responsible to retry the packet transmission on an open socket? Are there any parameters, that I should set either in Winsock, or the application? I have HUGE problems using telnet and Imap (from pine.) On the other hand http and ftp work normally. How come? What to do? P.S. I'm using Trumpet Winsock 2.0b on my pc and pine-3.91 for Winsock. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 21 22:09:37 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13386; Mon, 21 Nov 94 22:09:37 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09630; Mon, 21 Nov 94 22:02:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09624; Mon, 21 Nov 94 22:02:06 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r9nze-000008C; Mon, 21 Nov 94 21:42 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hal9001@panix.com (Robert A. Rosenberg) Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? Date: Tue, 22 Nov 94 04:37:13 GMT Message-Id: References: <3al8kr$nm1@news.halcyon.com> In Article <3al8kr$nm1@news.halcyon.com>, Nancy McGough wrote: >2] Develop standards for mail and news headers that are backward > compatible with existing use. Since Newsgroups is so widely > used in private mail messages, any header(s) that tells that a > message was both posted and mailed will need to be something > other than the Newsgroups header. There's been a lot of good > discussion about this in comp.mail.headers. The problem is that there are two conflicting meanings for the Newsgroup header in an Email Message. If I reply-via-Email to an Article, it is the Newsgroup Header of the message I am replying to. OTOH, if the Email is a Dual Posting/Reply (such as is created by the use of a Cc Header in Pine) then it lists the newsgroups that the message is being posted to as the Email copy is being sent. It would be much simpler if Pine (and other agents) that leave the Newsgroup in an Email Reply were to do so via the use of separate X-Header fields that show the meaning. For Example, X-In-Reply-To-Newsgroup for the Reply to Article case and X-Also-Posted-To for the dual Post/Reply [The actual Header names are just examples]). From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 21 22:24:25 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13836; Mon, 21 Nov 94 22:24:25 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07825; Mon, 21 Nov 94 22:17:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07819; Mon, 21 Nov 94 22:17:55 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r9oBU-00000MC; Mon, 21 Nov 94 21:54 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dseitel@crl.com (David S. Eitelbach) Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? Date: 21 Nov 1994 20:46:07 -0800 Message-Id: <3art2f$6g9@crl3.crl.com> References: <3ar4mv$5j5@crl2.crl.com> It is my misfortune to have posted a problem that is seen as related to an issue in a religious war. But that in no way excuses those who could do something about it from being intellectually honest enough to listen openly to what I say has happened, and looking fairly and honestly into what can be done--without subsuming it in their jihad. Mr. Majewski has suggested the need to understand the background and I appreciate the need to do that now, after slogging through comp.mail.headers. It is just as necessary for Pine people to look at what I say has happened without assuming it is just a smaller part of their religious war. It's not. I'm not in their religious war and don't want to be. I just don't want my private email posted in newsgroups while everyone is arguing back and forth about arcane header issues. > On 21 Nov 1994, David S. Eitelbach wrote: > > Not what we're asking, and you know it. We're asking that one stinking > > toggle be added or the default changed. Ed Greshko wrote: > I have a *major* problem with changing the default operation. > I work with users of pine in Tawian, Thailand, Mainland China, Korea, > Malaysia, and Singapore. Everytime defaults are changed in programs > such as pine there is major confusion....and frustration...and *not* > on my part...but my "innocent" users. What a crock. We're talking about adding 1--maybe 3 toggles(?)--tops. One should do it, I think. Or we could just change the default back to the way it was before. Fewer choices to confuse your users or--outrage you. Many more toggles were added moving from Pine 3.89 to the new version. (Users used to have to root around in .pinerc to find out how to set things--much more confusing than the new configuration setup screen.) Were your users thrown irretrievably into confusion with all those new toggles? Did you make a fuss commensurate with the number of new toggles? > I have a problem with adding more and more toggles to software > that *really* doesn't need it. But it *does* need it, as I and others have explained. Your statement suggests that you still don't understand the problem. > While un-scientific, my little experiment with my cc:Mail users > proved to me that pine was not as evil that some people make it > out to be. No one has said Pine is evil. Have you read my posts? > The wording of the toggles and the possible combinations would > give some native English speakers fits. So, you don't like Pine either? Is it "evil"? > It is magnitutes worse for people here in Asia. Maybe you sell your users short. > I don't believe the criticism is being "rejected". Other people > simply disagree with you. A fair hearing of the problem, let alone of proposed solutions, has not been granted by most (not all) posters in this thread. Thanks to those who did. (Not you, Ed) David S. Eitelbach dseitel@crl.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 21 22:44:35 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14304; Mon, 21 Nov 94 22:44:35 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10156; Mon, 21 Nov 94 22:38:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10150; Mon, 21 Nov 94 22:38:34 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r9oWb-00000EC; Mon, 21 Nov 94 22:16 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jollie@odie.weeg.uiowa.edu (Jeffrey C. Ollie) Subject: Status of PEM/PGP integration into Pine Date: 22 Nov 1994 05:54:09 GMT Message-Id: Howdy Netfolks: I was wondering what the status of the PEM/PGP integration into Pine was. I'm not asking for a date (I've been around long enough to know that), but I'd like to know if anyone is working on it right now, and what release it is scheduled to appear in. -- Jeffrey C. Ollie E-Mail: jeffrey-ollie@uiowa.edu GCS d-- H s:+>s g+ !p au+ a- w+ v+ C++$ UA++ P++(+++) L+ 3 E+ N++ K- W--- M+ V- po- Y+ t++(+) 5+(+++) j R G? tv+ b+++(++) D+ B-- e++ u---(-) h f+ r++ n- y+ TIS/PEM Key: on request (preferred) PGP Key: finger jollie@odie.weeg.uiowa.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 21 23:11:33 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14906; Mon, 21 Nov 94 23:11:33 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10498; Mon, 21 Nov 94 23:03:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10492; Mon, 21 Nov 94 23:03:53 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r9ovs-000008C; Mon, 21 Nov 94 22:42 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cthomas@world.std.com (Michael T Ford) Subject: Problems under IRIX 5.3b Message-Id: Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 06:26:51 GMT I've run into a few problems with Pine under IRIX that maybe there are known fixes for. We are currently running v. 3.89, but I have built 3.91, and the staff is testing it. a) Under both versions, if a customer starts up Pine and is over his disk quota, or goes over his quota while reading mail, Pine segfaults and dumps core. b) If I go to the list of newsgroups and Goto misc.test, browse that group, go back to the List, and then Goto wstd.test (a local group), Pine aborts. This is under 3.91. c) Under 3.91, I am able to read news, but not post. We keep out news in a spool, i.e., /usr/spool/news/comp/mail/pine. In my .pinerc file, I have the lines: nntp-server=news.std.com news-collections=News *[] It appears that pine is trying to connect to the nntp-server via nntp. Perhaps I should unset nntp-server? Any tips, comments, help, pointers, etc, would be appreciated. --Michael From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 21 23:54:46 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15814; Mon, 21 Nov 94 23:54:46 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11146; Mon, 21 Nov 94 23:49:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11140; Mon, 21 Nov 94 23:49:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r9pbP-00000HC; Mon, 21 Nov 94 23:25 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tony@newcastle.edu.au (Tony Dyson) Subject: 'Unknown host' on AIX system Date: 22 Nov 1994 00:25:16 GMT Message-Id: <3ardpc$o50@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au> This _must_ have a simple answer. I can send a mail message from our central VAX to an address at, say, aol.com or tolkin.enet.dec.com or something and it goes through no problems. If I try to send the same message from pine on my own workstation (AIX 3.2.5) it doesn't go anywhere and bounces back with an 'unknown host' error. Not knowing very much about mail, I don't even know where the problem lies. Can I reconfigure pine so that this doesn't happen, or do I need to go further down the layers? Hoping somebody can help me out! Tony -- ================================================================ Mr. Anthony J. Dyson tony@schroeder.newcastle.edu.au Dept. of Physics phone: +49 21 5425 University of Newcastle fax: +49 21 6907 Callaghan, Australia, 2308 ================================================================ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 22 00:03:01 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16062; Tue, 22 Nov 94 00:03:01 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09076; Mon, 21 Nov 94 23:57:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09070; Mon, 21 Nov 94 23:57:12 -0800 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03776; Mon, 21 Nov 94 23:57:09 -0800 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 23:57:06 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Hubert To: "Jeffrey C. Ollie" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Status of PEM/PGP integration into Pine In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Jeffrey, There has been no work done on PEM/PGP integration here at Washington. It is not scheduled for any particular release yet. Others have posted diffs for their versions, but we haven't looked at them at all due to time constraints. Sorry. Steve Hubert Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle On 22 Nov 1994, Jeffrey C. Ollie wrote: > Howdy Netfolks: > > I was wondering what the status of the PEM/PGP integration into Pine was. > I'm not asking for a date (I've been around long enough to know that), but > I'd like to know if anyone is working on it right now, and what release it > is scheduled to appear in. > -- > Jeffrey C. Ollie > E-Mail: jeffrey-ollie@uiowa.edu > GCS d-- H s:+>s g+ !p au+ a- w+ v+ C++$ UA++ P++(+++) L+ 3 E+ N++ K- W--- M+ > V- po- Y+ t++(+) 5+(+++) j R G? tv+ b+++(++) D+ B-- e++ u---(-) h f+ r++ n- y+ > TIS/PEM Key: on request (preferred) PGP Key: finger jollie@odie.weeg.uiowa.edu > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 22 00:17:38 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16340; Tue, 22 Nov 94 00:17:38 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11348; Tue, 22 Nov 94 00:05:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11342; Tue, 22 Nov 94 00:05:15 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Tue, 22 Nov 94 16:01:39 -0800 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 16:01:38 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: "David S. Eitelbach" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? In-Reply-To: <3art2f$6g9@crl3.crl.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 21 Nov 1994, David S. Eitelbach wrote: > before. Fewer choices to confuse your users or--outrage you. I keep wondering why you find it necessary to include personal attacks? > Many more toggles were added moving from Pine 3.89 to the new version. > (Users used to have to root around in .pinerc to find out how to set > things--much more confusing than the new configuration setup screen.) > > Were your users thrown irretrievably into confusion with all those > new toggles? There was, and frankly still is, some confusion. However, since the move from 3.89 to 3.90 brought about easier configuration and added enhancements there really wasn't much to complain about. Along with that, I am not on the pine development team. There was no previous discussion as to how things should/would look. I'll assure you there was confusion and problems when the changes were made between 3.90 and 3.91 that involved how the lookups in the password file were handled. There may have been a discussion about that on this list....but I don't recall. > Did you make a fuss commensurate with the number of new toggles? Only when I find them unnecessary. > But it *does* need it, as I and others have explained. Your > statement suggests that you still don't understand the problem. It quite apparent that not everyone agrees with you. > > The wording of the toggles and the possible combinations would > > give some native English speakers fits. > > So, you don't like Pine either? Is it "evil"? Intresting set of logic. I make a simple statement about "some native English speakers" and it equates to my not liking pine. How do you do that? > > It is magnitutes worse for people here in Asia. > > Maybe you sell your users short. Maybe you haven't worked outside of the USA for the past 7 years? As a matter of fact, most of them do better than some of the native English speakers I've encountered. They tend to read the FAQs carefully...and they tend to read the prompts presented to them. > > I don't believe the criticism is being "rejected". Other people > > simply disagree with you. > > A fair hearing of the problem, let alone of proposed solutions, has > not been granted by most (not all) posters in this thread. Thanks to > those who did. (Not you, Ed) I don't know....it seems as if the only way you would consider this to be a fair hearing is if everyone were to agree with you. Regards, Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 22 01:08:50 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17950; Tue, 22 Nov 94 01:08:50 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11956; Tue, 22 Nov 94 00:50:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11950; Tue, 22 Nov 94 00:50:41 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Tue, 22 Nov 94 16:47:18 -0800 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 16:47:17 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: 'Unknown host' on AIX system (fwd) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I attempted to send this directly to Tony.....but seems he is an unknown user. Ed ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 16:38:04 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko To: Tony Dyson Subject: Re: 'Unknown host' on AIX system On 22 Nov 1994, Tony Dyson wrote: > I can send a mail message from our central VAX to an address at, > say, aol.com or tolkin.enet.dec.com or something and it goes through > no problems. If I try to send the same message from pine on my own > workstation (AIX 3.2.5) it doesn't go anywhere and bounces back with > an 'unknown host' error. Not knowing very much about mail, I don't > even know where the problem lies. Can I reconfigure pine so that this > doesn't happen, or do I need to go further down the layers? Sounds as if you will need to go further down the layers. pine is the "easy" part of the equation. If you are setting up email for the first time on a workstation you will have to get your MTA (Mail Transport Agent), which is most likely sendmail. Depending on how you want to do things...you may also want to configure your system to utilize DNS. Regards, Ed From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 22 01:09:50 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17990; Tue, 22 Nov 94 01:09:50 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10000; Tue, 22 Nov 94 01:03:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09994; Tue, 22 Nov 94 01:03:36 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r9qnz-00000HC; Tue, 22 Nov 94 00:42 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: performance bugfix in Pine 3.91 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 00:28:13 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Some people have complained about poor performance in opening mbox-format mail files in Pine 3.91. The patch below to pine/imap/c-client/bezerk.c fixes the problem. I'm not sure why it should make a difference, but it does. This bugfix will be in Pine 3.92. *** bezerk.c.OLD Fri Oct 21 03:41:03 1994 --- bezerk.c Mon Nov 21 23:18:07 1994 *************** *** 1554,1567 **** i = (sod + i) - s; /* total number of tries */ do { /* fast search for newline */ if ((0x80808080 & (0x01010101 + (0x7f7f7f7f & ~(m ^ *(Word *) s)))) && ! (s1 = ((s[3] == '\n') ? (s + 4) : ! ((s[2] == '\n') ? (s + 3) : ! ((s[1] == '\n') ? (s + 2) : ! ((s[0] == '\n') ? (s + 1) : NIL)))))) { ! VALID (s1,t,ti,zn); /* interesting word, check it closer */ if (ti) return s1; } ! else s += 4; /* try next word */ i -= 4; /* count a word checked */ } while (i > 24); /* continue until end of plausible string */ } --- 1554,1567 ---- i = (sod + i) - s; /* total number of tries */ do { /* fast search for newline */ if ((0x80808080 & (0x01010101 + (0x7f7f7f7f & ~(m ^ *(Word *) s)))) && ! /* find rightmost newline in word */ ! ((*(s1 = s + 3) == '\n') || (*--s1 == '\n') || ! (*--s1 == '\n') || (*--s1 == '\n'))) { ! s1++; /* skip past newline */ ! VALID (s1,t,ti,zn); /* see if valid From line */ if (ti) return s1; } ! s += 4; /* try next word */ i -= 4; /* count a word checked */ } while (i > 24); /* continue until end of plausible string */ } From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 22 01:30:18 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18563; Tue, 22 Nov 94 01:30:18 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10369; Tue, 22 Nov 94 01:22:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10363; Tue, 22 Nov 94 01:22:55 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r9r5o-00000AC; Tue, 22 Nov 94 01:00 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: @kant.Physik.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Klaus Wacker) Subject: Re: converting elm aliases Date: 22 Nov 1994 08:51:56 GMT Message-Id: <3asbfc$s8k@nx2.hrz.uni-dortmund.de> References: Paul Nanson (think@netcom.com) wrote: > Are there any programs to convert an elm aliases.text file to > a pine addressbook? Try this: ----------cut-here--------------------------------------------------- #!/usr/local/bin/perl # # elm-to-pine: Convert elm aliases file to pine address book # Author: Klaus Wacker (wacker@Physik.Uni-Dortmund.DE) # # Usage e.g. # elm-to-pine ~/.elm/aliases.text >~/.addressbook # # get a line, combining continuation lines # that start with whitespace # (taken from the perl man page and modified) sub get_line { return 0 if eof(); $thisline = $lookahead; line: while ($lookahead = <>) { if ($lookahead =~ /^[ \t]/) { $thisline .= $lookahead; } else { last line; } } $thisline; } $lookahead = <>; # get first line while ($_ = do get_line()) { next if /^\#/; # Skip comments chop; s/\t/ /g; # Lets not get confused by tabs in the file ($nicks,$name,$address)=split(/ *= */,$_,3); @nick=split(/ *, */,$nicks); ($fullname,$remark)=split(/ *, */,$name,2); $fullname =~ s/;/,/; # Lastname[;,] Firstname if ($address =~ /,/ ) { # Its a list $address="(".$address.")"; } foreach $nicki (@nick) { # Pine doesn't allow multiple nicknames printf "%s\t%s\t%s\t\t%s\n", $nicki, $fullname, $address, $remark; $address = $nick[0]; # Let additional nicks point to the first one } } ----------cut-here--------------------------------------------------- -- | / | | | | | wacker@Physik.Uni-Dortmund.DE | / | _ __ | | | _ _ | _ _ Klaus Wacker, Exp.Physik V |/\ | _\ | | (_ | | | _\ / |_) /_) | Uni Dortmund | \_|_(_|_|_|___) |_|_|_(_|_\__| \_/\___| D-44221 Dortmund +49 (231) 755 3587 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 22 01:32:49 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18845; Tue, 22 Nov 94 01:32:49 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12559; Tue, 22 Nov 94 01:22:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12553; Tue, 22 Nov 94 01:22:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r9r5g-000008C; Tue, 22 Nov 94 01:00 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: @kant.Physik.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Klaus Wacker) Subject: Re: 'Unknown host' on AIX system Date: 22 Nov 1994 08:50:11 GMT Message-Id: <3asbc3$s8k@nx2.hrz.uni-dortmund.de> References: <3ardpc$o50@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au> Tony Dyson (tony@newcastle.edu.au) wrote: > This _must_ have a simple answer. > I can send a mail message from our central VAX to an address at, > say, aol.com or tolkin.enet.dec.com or something and it goes through > no problems. If I try to send the same message from pine on my own > workstation (AIX 3.2.5) it doesn't go anywhere and bounces back with > an 'unknown host' error. Not knowing very much about mail, I don't > even know where the problem lies. Can I reconfigure pine so that this > doesn't happen, or do I need to go further down the layers? My guess is that its not a pine problem, but a sendmail configuration problem on your RS6000. Check the file /etc/sendmail.cf. If you find a line which starts with OK, then my guess is wrong. But if you find no such line, or one that is commented out (starts with #OK), then either add a line OK MX or OK ALL I never understood the difference between the two, I use OK ALL and it works. I also never understood why its not configured this way by default. You have to do `refresh -s sendmail' afterwards. You need root privileges to do all this. -- | / | | | | | wacker@Physik.Uni-Dortmund.DE | / | _ __ | | | _ _ | _ _ Klaus Wacker, Exp.Physik V |/\ | _\ | | (_ | | | _\ / |_) /_) | Uni Dortmund | \_|_(_|_|_|___) |_|_|_(_|_\__| \_/\___| D-44221 Dortmund +49 (231) 755 3587 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 22 02:06:17 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19443; Tue, 22 Nov 94 02:06:17 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12906; Tue, 22 Nov 94 01:46:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from leeman.york.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12900; Tue, 22 Nov 94 01:46:43 -0800 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by leeman.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <23349-0@leeman.york.ac.uk>; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 09:41:42 +0000 Received: by tower.york.ac.uk (940715.SGI.52/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) for @leeman.york.ac.uk:pine-info@cac.washington.edu id AA25698; Tue, 22 Nov 94 09:46:04 GMT Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 09:46:03 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Brudenell To: Rahul Dhesi Cc: Pine Info Mailing List Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? In-Reply-To: <199411220417.AA26048@bolero.rahul.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 21 Nov 1994, Rahul Dhesi wrote: > Posting to Usenet in response to private email is never an appropriate > action -- at least not one that the mail user agent should include in > its menu. If the sender of the original email had wanted a public > discussion he or she would have posted to Usenet instead of sending > private email. > > In effect you are asking a question roughly like this: > > The issue at hand has to do with what to do if somebody > whispers privately in my ear. Should I optionally shout > out my reply? > > Only if one has no manners at all, I think. > > I do not understand why this is even an issue. You are correct in your "rough summary". The problem/issue is that Pine decides whether somebody whispered to or shouted at you by means of the absence or presence of the "Newsgroups:" header line in the message. If "Newsgroups:" is present it assumes you were shouted at and, when you start a reply, offers you the chance to shout back. If "Newsgroups:" was absent then it assumes you were whispered to, and doesn't offer you the chance to shout back (although you can if you *really* want to by manually typing in a newsgroup name into the "Newsgroups: header field as usual). The problem is that some *other* news readers allow you to "reply by mail" to a news article but, naughtily, include the "Newsgroups:" header line in that reply. This means that if the recipient is using Pine it assumes the message was also posted to a newsgroup, and hence offers the chance to shout a reply back. The current argument raging is whether Pine is "broken" because of interpreting the presence/absence of the "Newsgroups:" header can be interpreted as implying the message was posted to News. Or whether the other news readers that *do* include the "Newsgroups:" header line in e-mail messages are "broken" and Pine's behavious is correct. For my money I think Pine's behaviour is entirely reasonable, and that ideally the other "broken" news readers should be fixed. However the realist side of me realises this will be difficult/impossible. However in one sense it is little different from the uptake of MIME aware mail readers. I am sure there will *always* be non-MIME aware mailers around, leading to complaints from people about these "broken" MIME mailers sending them files as these mysterious and unusable "attachments". More power to Pine, is what I say. Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Phone: +44-1904-433811 FAX: +44-1904-432767 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 22 02:14:12 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19604; Tue, 22 Nov 94 02:14:12 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13011; Tue, 22 Nov 94 01:58:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13005; Tue, 22 Nov 94 01:58:15 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r9rgj-00000AC; Tue, 22 Nov 94 01:39 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Problem with foldernames on Solaris Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 01:23:40 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <94Nov21.100228edt.75781@medisun.med.utoronto.ca> Yes, this is a frequently encountered problem when building Pine and/or imapd. Blame SUN for its broken compilers and runtimes that let you compile in one environment (BSD vs SVR4) and link in another. We've received innumerable suggestions from the net of how to fix it. None of the suggestions work, or rather, none work all the time. The pre-built binaries on the ftp.cac.washington.edu FTP server are correct, so unless you need custom modifications you are better off using these. -- Mark -- On Mon, 21 Nov 1994, Nancy E. Worth wrote: > > Hi, > I've just installed Pine 3.91 on Solaris 2.3 with SUN's C 3.0 > When I go into Folder List, other than INBOX, all my other mail files > that were created with unix mail, are missing the first 2 characters > in the file name. (They are in a directory called mail if that makes > a difference.) > Has anyone else seen this, or have a fix for it. I'm just starting > to go through the code. > Thanks, > Nancy. > -- > Nancy E. Worth worth@medac.med.utoronto.ca & postmaster > Computing Support Division, Faculty of Medicine, University of Toronto > Standard Disclaimers... "I'm for Sail" "Fly a Hobie" > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 22 03:06:13 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20619; Tue, 22 Nov 94 03:06:13 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13503; Tue, 22 Nov 94 02:43:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13497; Tue, 22 Nov 94 02:43:15 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Tue, 22 Nov 94 18:39:51 -0800 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 18:39:50 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: ...defeat posting prompt...my final word. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From this discussion I've drawn two conclusions: 1. Some people feel pine needs to be changed. Others feel the change is unnecessary. 2. Neither camp will convince the other camp. As it is their ultimate decision, I'm content to leave the decision in the hands of the authors of pine. Regards, Ed From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 22 04:03:08 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21911; Tue, 22 Nov 94 04:03:08 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12211; Tue, 22 Nov 94 03:53:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tango.rahul.net by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12205; Tue, 22 Nov 94 03:53:20 -0800 Received: from bolero.rahul.net by tango.rahul.net with SMTP id AA09811 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 03:53:17 -0800 Received: by bolero.rahul.net id AA27363 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for Pine Info Mailing List ); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 03:53:17 -0800 Message-Id: <199411221153.AA27363@bolero.rahul.net> To: Pine Info Mailing List Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? In-Reply-To: Message from Mike Brudenell of Tue, 22 Nov 94 09:46:03 +0000 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 94 03:53:16 -0800 From: Rahul Dhesi > If "Newsgroups:" is present it assumes you were shouted at and, when you > start a reply, offers you the chance to shout back. This is wrong. As I mentioned before in comp.mail.headers, it is established behavior for news readers to include a Newsgroups: header when one sends private email in response to a Usenet posting. The Newsgroups: header tells the recipient where the original posting was to which a private reply is being sent. More importantly, it makes little sense to assume that somebody who sends you private email in response to a Usenet posting wants you to post a public response. If he had wanted a public discussion he would have posted a follow-up in the original newsgroup instead of sending private email. I am now beginning to understand the pine model of a public discussion, and I don't like it one bit. Usenet model, assuming some hypothetical sequence of postings: A posts to a Usenet newsgroup. B sees posting, posts a follow-up. C sees A's and B's postings, posts a follow-up to A's posting. A sees C's follow-up, posts a follow-up of his own. B sees A's follow-up, posts a follow-up of his own. Corresponding sequence in the pine model, which I now realize is much more broken than I thought at first: A posts to Usenet newsgroup. B sees posting, sends A email and also posts a copy to Usenet. C sees A's posting and posted copy of email that B sent to A. C sends email to A and also posts a copy to Usenet. A gets email from C, sends reply to C, and also posts a copy to Usenet. B see's copy of A's email to C which was posted on Usenet, and sends an email reply to A and posts a copy on Usenet. If you had a slight bit of trouble following the second sequence, you may be getting my point. I hope you observe the complexity of the pine model as I understand it, the unnecessary duplications, and the cause for confusion between what is private email and what is not. It's as if a lot of people are carrying on a public discussion by alternating whispering to one another and repeating loudly what they just whispered. With all due respect to the pine authors: You did a great job of writing some of the best email software around, but you are applying to it a badly broken model of how public discussion should take place. -- Rahul Dhesi From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 22 06:39:08 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25832; Tue, 22 Nov 94 06:39:08 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16503; Tue, 22 Nov 94 06:25:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from scorpio.gold.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16495; Tue, 22 Nov 94 06:25:38 -0800 Received: from pc438.gold.ac.uk by gold.ac.uk; Tue, 22 Nov 94 14:24:32 GMT Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 14:24:30 -0800 (PST) From: Guy Boanas To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Setting up Windows Pine X-Sender: guy@scorpio.gold.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've set up Windows Pine so that while the executables are stored on the local HD (C:\PINE) , the pinerc is on my N:\ drive (personal space on one of our servers). I've done this as a preliminary test to possibly putting a similar setup on our Open Access computing facilities so that students can use the the same mail program. These computers, at log in, load the person's N: drive and this is the area which by default all their work is stored. The N: drive would just hold the PINERC file (and addressbook, newsrc files) -- all mail would (unless they alter the pinrc file) be remote and continue to be stored on another of our servers running IMAP. I'd just like to check that I've set the various options correctly so if anyone has done a similar sort of thing I'd appreciate some help. What I've done is: 1. In the autoexec.bat file an environmental variable is set with the command SET PINERC=N:\PINERC 2. In Windows Program Manager the File Properties of Pine are Command line: C:\PINE\PINE.EXE Working Directory: N:\ Problems: 1. There is a significant delay before the Pine Main Menu opens (okay, it's a network drive) and a beep from the computer indicating that all is not well. 2. There is a build-up of "rc" files on the N:\ drive which appear to be temporary versions of of the pinerc file (same length). Is there anything in the setup which I can change to allow quicker access and no creation of those rc files? Guy Boanas guy@gold.ac.uk From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 22 06:40:24 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25870; Tue, 22 Nov 94 06:40:24 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14458; Tue, 22 Nov 94 06:28:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14452; Tue, 22 Nov 94 06:28:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r9vsv-000008C; Tue, 22 Nov 94 06:07 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? Date: 22 Nov 1994 13:45:18 GMT Message-Id: <3assle$ijc@hustle.rahul.net> References: <3al8kr$nm1@news.halcyon.com> In hal9001@panix.com (Robert A. Rosenberg) writes: >The problem is that there are two conflicting meanings for the Newsgroup >header in an Email Message. If I reply-via-Email to an Article, it is the >Newsgroup Header of the message I am replying to. OTOH, if the Email is a >Dual Posting/Reply (such as is created by the use of a Cc Header in Pine)... As we have already discussed, the 'dual postihng/reply' is presumptuous and confusing and should not be used. And in any case: There is only one established meaning, and it's not the one pine is using. When it's you vs everybody else, you will generally lose. Pine loses. -- Rahul Dhesi From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 22 06:57:50 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26192; Tue, 22 Nov 94 06:57:50 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16873; Tue, 22 Nov 94 06:49:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from arizvm1.CCIT.Arizona.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16867; Tue, 22 Nov 94 06:49:44 -0800 Received: from orca.fhcrc.org by ARIZVM1.ccit.arizona.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Tue, 22 Nov 94 07:49:46 MST Received: by orca.fhcrc.org (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA31335; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 06:51:15 -0800 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 06:51:14 -0800 (PST) From: Brent Blumenstein To: Paul Nanson Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: converting elm aliases In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have a UniRexx script for doing this. If you don't know what Rexx is then you don't need this script. -- Brent A. Blumenstein | tel.: 206 667 4623 Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center | fax: 206 667 4408 1124 Columbia Street MP-557 | e-mail: brentb@orca.fhcrc.org Seattle, WA 98104 USA | On Tue, 22 Nov 1994, Paul Nanson wrote: > Are there any programs to convert an elm aliases.text file to > a pine addressbook? > > -- > Paul Nanson think@netcom.com pdn@vnet.ibm.com (BR) PGP public key avail > > "Bipartisanship is for chumps." -- Tony Snow, Arkansas Democrat-Gazette > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 22 07:38:27 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27158; Tue, 22 Nov 94 07:38:27 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17454; Tue, 22 Nov 94 07:29:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17448; Tue, 22 Nov 94 07:29:11 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r9woH-000014C; Tue, 22 Nov 94 07:07 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lc@oasis.icl.co.uk (Liam Crilly) Subject: Re: performance bugfix in Pine 3.91 Message-Id: References: Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 12:36:17 GMT Mark Crispin wrote: » Some people have complained about poor performance in opening mbox-format » mail files in Pine 3.91. The patch below to pine/imap/c-client/bezerk.c » fixes the problem. I'm not sure why it should make a difference, but it » does. » This bugfix will be in Pine 3.92. [code diffs] Is there an easy way to integrate this patch into the original distribution source code? Thanks, Liam. -- 8"88"""8P"48"V"8 Liam Crilly 8 "88 88 " 8 8 lc@oasis.icl.co.uk 8 "88 88 " 8 8 8oo8ooo8o8o8oYo8 L.Crilly@herts.ac.uk 8oo8ooo8o8o8oYo8 ++ SPEC representative, Performance Benchmarking Unit, ICL, Bracknell, UK. ++ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 22 07:53:50 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27579; Tue, 22 Nov 94 07:53:50 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15605; Tue, 22 Nov 94 07:44:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15599; Tue, 22 Nov 94 07:44:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r9x1M-00001JC; Tue, 22 Nov 94 07:20 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ccsap@bath.ac.uk (Andy Powell) Subject: Re: bcc: broken? Message-Id: References: <39s1cm$arj@snark.wizard.com> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 13:09:43 GMT In the referenced article, danielj@snark.wizard.com (Daniel Jacobs 702.871.4461) writes: >Is this a definition of bcc: I was previously unaware of or am I missing >something? I sent something to a dozen people, and to avoid cluttering up >their screens, I bcc:ed everyone except one of them. However, every >single one of them got the full distribution list with the bcc: header. I >am using MMDF as my mail server, if that helps. The sendmail replacement that comes with MMDF update 43 (and presumably other versions as well) does not support bcc: fields correctly. It sounds like you've got Pine set up to talk to that sendmail. Two options: 1) Configure Pine to send mail via your MMDF SMTP listener. 2) I've got some code (for Pine 3.90 currently but I'll do it for 3.91 once I've managed to get hold of it) that interfaces Pine directly to the MMDF submit routines. Come back to me via email if you want a copy. Andy. -- -- BUCS, University of Bath, Bath, BA2 7AY, UK Voice: +44 1225 826485 A.Powell@bath.ac.uk Fax: +44 1225 826176 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 22 08:41:57 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29598; Tue, 22 Nov 94 08:41:57 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18444; Tue, 22 Nov 94 08:28:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18438; Tue, 22 Nov 94 08:28:54 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r9xkt-000008C; Tue, 22 Nov 94 08:07 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ph10@cus.cam.ac.uk (Philip Hazel) Subject: Re: bcc: broken? Date: 22 Nov 1994 15:24:11 GMT Message-Id: <3at2er$ov3@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> References: <39s1cm$arj@snark.wizard.com> In article , ccsap@bath.ac.uk (Andy Powell) writes: |> The sendmail replacement that comes with MMDF update 43 (and presumably other |> versions as well) does not support bcc: fields correctly. It sounds like |> you've got Pine set up to talk to that sendmail. For the record: sending mail from Pine directly into PP via its "sendmail replacement" also suffers from this. -- Philip Hazel University Computing Service, ph10@cus.cam.ac.uk New Museums Site, Cambridge CB2 3QG, P.Hazel@ucs.cam.ac.uk England. Phone: +44 1223 334714 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 22 11:29:11 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07631; Tue, 22 Nov 94 11:29:11 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20665; Tue, 22 Nov 94 11:21:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20659; Tue, 22 Nov 94 11:21:34 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rA0Oo-000008C; Tue, 22 Nov 94 10:57 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: slake@osf1.gmu.edu (Sherry H. Lake) Subject: Printing Problems in pine 3.91 Date: 22 Nov 1994 17:46:34 GMT Message-Id: <3atapq$h6v@portal.gmu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Printing: With ver. 3.89, printing "attached-to-ansi" works fine both with telnet (cutcp) and with Reflection. With 3.91, there is a quirk using Reflection (but not cutcp). After 30 to 60 lines, something occurs which (a) forces a line feed without a carriage return, (b) ejects the page when the (truncated) line reaches the margin, (c) ejects an additional (blank) page (usually), (d) turns off the "to printer" code in Reflection. Note that I am using a Laserjet III with HP printer codes in my Reflection VT102 configuration. Since Reflection is specifically mentioned as supporting this function in the Pine notes, I wonder if some bug has crept into the new Pine 3.91. Using Reflection with version 3.89, there is no problem. I have also had users using ProComm Plus have problems printing with 3.91 and not with 3.89. (We have a DEC Ultrix, that is to be retired next month, running 3.89 and DEC OSF1 machine running 3.91.) -- Sherry H. Lake slake@gmu.edu Electronic Mail Consultant George Mason University From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 22 13:23:48 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13401; Tue, 22 Nov 94 13:23:48 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25709; Tue, 22 Nov 94 13:16:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25703; Tue, 22 Nov 94 13:16:11 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rA2EG-000008C; Tue, 22 Nov 94 12:54 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dmaurer@netcom.com (Dennis M. Maurer) Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? Message-Id: References: Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 17:03:48 GMT * * * A short review * * * Ed wrote: : IMHO, people that make statements that are a potential : embarrassement should be prepared to accept the consequences should their : remarks become public. People that make potentially embarrassing statements : are not "innocent". They are careless. If they cannot accept responsibility : for what they have said....they are weannies. Dennis wrote: Speaking of statements that are a potential embarrassment... Maybe, since you make such statements public, you have no concern for what you say in private, the rest of the world may feel different. Can I assume that you feel the same way about anything your say to your banker, clergymen, spouse, etc? Dennis M. Maurer -- * * * And now, to today's post * * * Ed Greshko (egreshko@hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com) wrote: : On Mon, 21 Nov 1994, Dennis M. Maurer wrote: : > Speaking of statements that are a potential embarrassment... : Are you about to make one.... :-) No, you handled that...see above : Nothing of what you said had anything to do with the discussion. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ : But, you are free to assume anything you wish. If you wish to continue : this line of discussion I'd suggest you take it off-line solely because : your remarks have nothing to do with pine and I doubt that others are : interested. However, feel free to post to alt.flame or whatever. : Regards, : Ed Ed, You miss the point, the whole discussion is about the right to privacy. You also ask me to take it off-line, when the problem is that off-line messages are somehow getting put back on-line. I find this a dubious solution. But you are right, others may not be interested in my opinion of your opinions. I will take this off-line, and trust you will do the same. Dennis M. Maurer -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 22 13:30:58 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13588; Tue, 22 Nov 94 13:30:58 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23662; Tue, 22 Nov 94 13:24:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23656; Tue, 22 Nov 94 13:24:41 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rA2Om-00000HC; Tue, 22 Nov 94 13:05 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dseitel@crl.com (David S. Eitelbach) Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? Date: 22 Nov 1994 10:57:03 -0800 Message-Id: <3atetv$hg2@crl9.crl.com> References: <3art2f$6g9@crl3.crl.com> Ed Greshko wrote: > I keep wondering why you find it necessary to include personal > attacks? This is disingenuous: you inserted yourself and your posts are goading and supercilious in parts. > > Did you make a fuss commensurate with the number of new toggles? > Only when I find them unnecessary. Did you evaluate all 64 new settings with the same vigor with which you hack away at this one? Well, of course not. Something else is at stake here now, isn't it? Referring to the massive upgrade from 3.89 to 3.9x, we now have the following in the configuration setup screens (FIVE of 'em): 5 Rule Sets 21 Value Settings (or similar) 38 Toggles ------------------------------ 64 different settings, total. You would have us believe one more (or three, possibly--but unlikely) would be outrageously excessive. I say that's a non-starter. > I don't know....it seems as if the only way you would consider > this to be a fair hearing is if everyone were to agree with you. I don't want everyone to agree; I want a fair hearing of my complaint *on its own terms*, not dismissal of it as a side issue in a bloody holy war. Some have listened openly, but it appears those in a position to add a toggle aren't listening openly. I'm having a tough enough time of it as it is without having to keep swatting at flies. I'd appreciate it if you'd get out of the road. David S. Eitelbach dseitel@crl.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 22 14:10:02 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15621; Tue, 22 Nov 94 14:10:02 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26765; Tue, 22 Nov 94 14:04:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26757; Tue, 22 Nov 94 14:04:45 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rA2yE-000008C; Tue, 22 Nov 94 13:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: zimmerma@informatik.uni-muenchen.de (Alexander Zimmermann) Subject: Latest version of pine... Date: 22 Nov 1994 17:29:30 GMT Message-Id: <3at9pq$88o@arcadia.informatik.uni-muenchen.de> Hi, I just want to know which is the latest version of pine and where I can get it (I'm on a Hp unix system)... -- Alex ----------------------------------------------- Alexander Zimmermann Smail: Preziosastr. 25 81927 Muenchen Germany Email: zimmerma@cip.informatik.uni-muenchen.de Also Internet-Slave for IMAGINE e.V., Munich Finger me to get a plan of my various activities. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 22 15:41:49 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20490; Tue, 22 Nov 94 15:41:49 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26479; Tue, 22 Nov 94 15:36:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26473; Tue, 22 Nov 94 15:35:59 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rA4NW-000008C; Tue, 22 Nov 94 15:12 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: saldroub@mason1.gmu.edu (Samer S Al-Droubi) Subject: uupc with pc-pine Date: 22 Nov 1994 21:28:25 GMT Message-Id: <3atnpp$qvg@portal.gmu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I downloaded pc-pine when I run it I get an error msg saying that it can not find the tcp/ip driver. I don't have tcp/ip. I use uupc to get my mail from a host machine. Is it possible to tell pc-pine that mail on this local machine and that I am using uupc. If you know the answer please send me mail or responde here. Regards, Sam Al-Droubi saldroub@mason1.gmu.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 22 17:11:39 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25022; Tue, 22 Nov 94 17:11:39 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01498; Tue, 22 Nov 94 17:04:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01490; Tue, 22 Nov 94 17:04:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rA5oO-000025C; Tue, 22 Nov 94 16:43 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: carlos@interport.net (Carlos Dominguez) Subject: Re: Dropped packets Date: 22 Nov 1994 17:47:30 -0500 Message-Id: <3atse2$7e0@interport.net> References: Diana Peneva (peneva@interport.net) wrote: : I have HUGE problems using telnet and Imap (from pine.) On the other hand http : and ftp work normally. : How come? What to do? Turn on tracing within the trumpet stack and see what you get. Compare a ftp session with an IMAP session and see whats going on. There may be a problem with the trumpet stack or its implementation of PPP. -- __ __ __ | .__. __. :::: Carlos Dominguez - proprietor - sysadmin | __| | | | | |__ :::: carlos@basselope.com |__ |__| | | |__| .__| :::: Basselope *nix systems --------------------------- W3 Page = http://www.interport.net/~carlos From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 22 19:29:15 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28958; Tue, 22 Nov 94 19:29:15 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01123; Tue, 22 Nov 94 19:25:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01117; Tue, 22 Nov 94 19:25:16 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rA82D-000008C; Tue, 22 Nov 94 19:06 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Problems under IRIX 5.3b Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 16:48:33 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Tue, 22 Nov 1994, Michael T Ford wrote: > a) Under both versions, if a customer starts up Pine and is over his > disk quota, or goes over his quota while reading mail, Pine > segfaults and dumps core. > b) If I go to the list of newsgroups and Goto misc.test, browse that > group, go back to the List, and then Goto wstd.test (a local > group), Pine aborts. This is under 3.91. Have you reported these as bugs to pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu? Pine is never supposed to crash. If it crashes, it is a bug. If there's a bug, pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu wants to know about it. Since we don't have any IRIX systems, it would help very much if you can give additional information, e.g. if you can run a debugger on the core file and send us a stack trace, perhaps a display of some of the variables, etc. > c) Under 3.91, I am able to read news, but not post. We keep out news > in a spool, i.e., /usr/spool/news/comp/mail/pine. In my .pinerc > file, I have the lines: > nntp-server=news.std.com > news-collections=News *[] > It appears that pine is trying to connect to the nntp-server via > nntp. Perhaps I should unset nntp-server? Your surmise is correct. NNTP is, at present, the only way to post from Pine. So, you need a functioning NNTP server to talk to in order to post. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 22 19:33:21 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29078; Tue, 22 Nov 94 19:33:21 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01188; Tue, 22 Nov 94 19:30:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01182; Tue, 22 Nov 94 19:30:24 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rA86t-00000vC; Tue, 22 Nov 94 19:11 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? Date: 23 Nov 94 03:05:42 GMT Message-Id: References: <199411220417.AA26048@bolero.rahul.net> dhesi@rahul.net (Rahul Dhesi) writes: >Thanks, I stand corrected, I was making an incorrect assumption >about pine includes a Newsgroups: header in private email. >> The issue at hand has to do with messages *not* created by Pine. In >> particular: under what circumstances users should have an opportunity to >> OPTIONALLY follow-up, via news, a message sent by some *other* program that >> happens to include a Newsgroups header. >By 'a message' were you referring to private email? If so: >Posting to Usenet in response to private email is never an appropriate >action -- at least not one that the mail user agent should include in >its menu. If the sender of the original email had wanted a public >discussion he or she would have posted to Usenet instead of sending >private email. >In effect you are asking a question roughly like this: > The issue at hand has to do with what to do if somebody > whispers privately in my ear. Should I optionally shout > out my reply? >Only if one has no manners at all, I think. >I do not understand why this is even an issue. AMEN! >Rahul -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)313-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Gopher,chimera,nn,tin,jove,modems, free code is best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 22 19:33:41 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29108; Tue, 22 Nov 94 19:33:41 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03805; Tue, 22 Nov 94 19:30:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03799; Tue, 22 Nov 94 19:30:01 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rA86j-00000HC; Tue, 22 Nov 94 19:10 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? Date: 23 Nov 94 02:59:26 GMT Message-Id: References: ellis@nova.gmi.edu ("R. Stewart Ellis") writes: >On Sun, 20 Nov 1994, Steven D. Majewski wrote: >> >> On 20 Nov 1994, R. Stewart Ellis wrote: >> >> > veck@pshrink.chi.il.us (Steven King [Really!]) writes: >> > >> > >Sure there is. One very simple way: >> > >> > > Did the message come from the NNTP server? >> > > Or did it come from the mail spool? >> > >> > >If Pine pulled the message from the NNTP server, it's appropriate to ask >> > >"Do you want to post a reply to the newsgroup?" If Pine pulled the >> > >message from the mail server, on the other hand, it has *NO BUSINESS* >> > >posting a response to a public forum. I don't care what the Newsgroups: >> > >line says, if this message was in my mail spool then it's private. End of >> > >discussion. >> > >> > YES! >> > >[...] >> >> The only problem with these suggestions is that they don't, in fact, work >> any more reliably than the current behaviour of asking the user whether >> he wants to post a reply to the newsgroup. If Pine did *everything* you >> asked, it would still be confronted with an ambiguous situation - and it >> would either have to make an assumption according to your rules - which >> is *guaranteed* to be wrong some of the time, or continue to ask for >> guidance from the user after making a "best guess". >It would be entirely reasonable to only offer to post in response to >articles that come from the NNTP connection. IFF the user wants to post in >response to something she has saved from news or mail, then let her ask to >post it. >> >> If your experience is too limited to imagine WHY this is the case, then >> just catch up with that recent discussion in comp.mail.headers/header-people. >I got a couple of hundred messages into a 500 message thread. What are you >saying? I have lots of experience, over 10 years of UNIX, but only about 6 >or so playing with news user agents and mail user agents in source. So what >is your point? >> >> >> >> BTW: By *your* criteria, tin and [t]rn are "broken" because they do not >> label saved messages to indicate that they came from the news spool. >> ( That is, unless you accept the convention that that is what the >> existance of a "Newsgroups:" line means. ) >It is not hard to tell a message either is or is not from the nntp server. >All other cases should require the user to request to post. >> >> > >I respectfully disagree. Software which can't remember the physical >> > >source of a message and instead relies on (possibly bogus) header >> > >information is, IMHO broken, and should be fixed. >Exactly what he is saying. >> >> >> -- Steve Majewski (804-982-0831) -- >> -- UVA Department of Molecular Physiology and Biological Physics -- >> -- Box 449 Health Science Center Charlottesville,VA 22908 -- >> >> >> > R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)313-762-9765 ___________________ > Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ > Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / > Gopher,chimera,nn,tin,jove,modems, free code is best!/________/ / / / / Well, I thought it was private mail. I was tricked by receiving private mail with a CC to info-pine. I think you people are trying to confuse me. :| -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)313-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Gopher,chimera,nn,tin,jove,modems, free code is best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 22 20:28:19 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00323; Tue, 22 Nov 94 20:28:19 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04570; Tue, 22 Nov 94 20:25:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04564; Tue, 22 Nov 94 20:25:10 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rA8xS-000008C; Tue, 22 Nov 94 20:05 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: Problem with foldernames on Solaris Date: 23 Nov 94 03:27:23 GMT Message-Id: References: <94Nov21.100228edt.75781@medisun.med.utoronto.ca> worth@medisun.med.utoronto.ca ("Nancy E. Worth") writes: >Hi, > I've just installed Pine 3.91 on Solaris 2.3 with SUN's C 3.0 >When I go into Folder List, other than INBOX, all my other mail files >that were created with unix mail, are missing the first 2 characters >in the file name. (They are in a directory called mail if that makes >a difference.) > Has anyone else seen this, or have a fix for it. I'm just starting >to go through the code. > Thanks, > Nancy. >-- >Nancy E. Worth worth@medac.med.utoronto.ca & postmaster >Computing Support Division, Faculty of Medicine, University of Toronto >Standard Disclaimers... "I'm for Sail" "Fly a Hobie" Solaris Porting FAQ. You have mixed and matched svr4 with bsd. BSD src cruft absolutely must be avoided. You have to make sure your C compiler is not including ucbinclude or linking with ucblib. Get the porting FAQ from rtfm.mit.edu. Also follow the c.u.solaris newsgroup. -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)313-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Gopher,chimera,nn,tin,jove,modems, free code is best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 22 21:17:04 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01481; Tue, 22 Nov 94 21:17:04 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02671; Tue, 22 Nov 94 21:14:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02665; Tue, 22 Nov 94 21:14:05 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rA9hc-000008C; Tue, 22 Nov 94 20:53 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 20:39:57 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3atetv$hg2@crl9.crl.com> On 22 Nov 1994, David S. Eitelbach wrote: > I don't want everyone to agree; I want a fair hearing of my complaint > *on its own terms*, not dismissal of it as a side issue in a bloody > holy war. Some have listened openly, but it appears those in a > position to add a toggle aren't listening openly. Your complaint was heard quite some time ago. Now pay attention to the answer: The only possible ``toggle'' would be one which turns off the ability to follow-up to news postings. We think that a news reader which does not allow you to post follow-ups isn't very useful. If that's what you really want, just erase the nntp-server variable. Then you won't have any more news posting. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 22 21:42:17 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02081; Tue, 22 Nov 94 21:42:17 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05694; Tue, 22 Nov 94 21:37:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05688; Tue, 22 Nov 94 21:37:45 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rAA25-000008C; Tue, 22 Nov 94 21:14 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: Getting Rid Of PICO??? Date: 23 Nov 94 03:22:50 GMT Message-Id: References: pjh@tecoma.mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) writes: >In article , >Byrg Bonnelycke wrote: >=Hi: >=I use PINE 3.91. >=To use the UNIX 'vi' editor instead of PINE's default 'pico' editor, >=I >= 1) change the editor line in PINE's configuration file to >= editor =vi >= The PINE configuration file is available under PINE's >= main menu, >= 2) hit the ^_ key (i.e. Control-Underline) which is only >= available from WITHIN the body of the message. >= >=On Wed, 16 Nov 1994, Pete Holsberg wrote: >= >=> I would like to use a different editor from PICO while using Pine. >=> Setting editor= in the pine.conf and/or .pinerc does not do it. >=> >=> What does? >=> >=> Thanks. >Folks, >The word I want to use is REPLACE! As in, you never see pico!! Is pico >source built-in to pine??? PICO is built-in for editing headers. IFF you have the right stuff in your .pinerc, when you do a 'c' or 'r' AND move down into the message you are presented with your choice of alt ed. (I suppose it is alright to like vi, but it is not very polite to speak of it except in whispers :) ). I posted the following on the 17th. How did you miss it? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ellis: >Getting Rid Of PICO??? 17 Nov 94 03:33 pjh@tecoma.mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) writes: >I would like to use a different editor from PICO while using Pine. >Setting editor= in the pine.conf and/or .pinerc does not do it. >What does? >Thanks. I want jove, which is set as my $EDITOR, so I have the following lines in ~/.pinerc: # List of features; see Pine's Setup/options menu for the current set. # e.g. feature-list= select-without-confirm, signature-at-bottom # Default condition for all of the features is no-. feature-list=old-growth, signature-at-bottom, enable-alternate-editor-implicitly I then have: editor=$EDITOR in the ~/.pinerc, in case I change my mind to use JED or emacs or joe. Whenever I page down from the headers it autoloads the editor. NEAT! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)313-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Gopher,chimera,nn,tin,jove,modems, free code is best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 22 22:12:53 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02745; Tue, 22 Nov 94 22:12:53 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03506; Tue, 22 Nov 94 22:08:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03499; Tue, 22 Nov 94 22:08:02 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rAAVd-000008C; Tue, 22 Nov 94 21:44 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: fxrsg@camelot.cac.washington.edu (Richard S Guse) Subject: help! carriage return problems? Date: 23 Nov 1994 02:08:58 GMT Message-Id: <3au87q$blm@news.alaska.edu> I recently compiled pine3.91 on a next system running MachBSD. I used the command 'build nxt' and it built just fine. It tests out fine on the NeXTs. However, connecting to that computer from a macintosh (IIci) running system 7.0.1, everytime I hit 'return' to input a field in the compose section (ie: to, Cc, Subject,Attchmnt), it asks for an attachment. Control-C only works correctly if I set the interrupt-process control-character to something other than control-c. Why is this? oh, I'm connecting via telnet through NCSA Telnet 2.6. do the macintoshes have a different CR-LF set-up? I connected to a pine I know works, and it worked just fine, so it must be specific to my program. Anyone know anything that I need to change? I'd like to get it working correctly before installing it. Thanks lots, Scott. -- Physicist by Choice, #define SYSOP GOD Mathematician by Accident, #define REALITY NULL CS student by Mistake, #include "universe.h" Brilliant by act of God, e-mail: fxrsg@Camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu Poor by act of Congress... or fxrsg@Aurora.alaska.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 22 22:42:19 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03472; Tue, 22 Nov 94 22:42:19 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06619; Tue, 22 Nov 94 22:37:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06613; Tue, 22 Nov 94 22:37:57 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rAB2w-00002QC; Tue, 22 Nov 94 22:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? Date: 23 Nov 94 02:51:09 GMT Message-Id: References: See, this message is a perfect example of what is wrong with the pine philosophy of news=mail. I got this in private email, and unsure whether it was really supposed to be private or not, I assumed it was private and kept the response private. Mail should be mail. News should be mail. If it is both, the only reliable way to tell is if the author tells you. When I send it on both channels I say "Posted and mailed." Of course if it comes from nntp, then I know it is news. R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)313-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Gopher,chimera,nn,tin,jove,modems, free code is best!/________/ / / / / --------------------------------------------------------------------------- sdm7g@virginia.edu ("Steven D. Majewski") writes: >On 20 Nov 1994, R. Stewart Ellis wrote: >> veck@pshrink.chi.il.us (Steven King [Really!]) writes: >> >> >Sure there is. One very simple way: >> >> > Did the message come from the NNTP server? >> > Or did it come from the mail spool? >> >> >If Pine pulled the message from the NNTP server, it's appropriate to ask >> >"Do you want to post a reply to the newsgroup?" If Pine pulled the >> >message from the mail server, on the other hand, it has *NO BUSINESS* >> >posting a response to a public forum. I don't care what the Newsgroups: >> >line says, if this message was in my mail spool then it's private. End of >> >discussion. >> >> YES! >> >> >>It is the software that is putting "Newsgroups:" headers into >> >>messages that are not meant to be publicly posted, and marking >> >>them as public postings that is, IMHO broken, and should be fixed. >> >> >I respectfully disagree. Software which can't remember the physical >> >source of a message and instead relies on (possibly bogus) header >> >information is, IMHO broken, and should be fixed. >> >> AMEN! >> >> >(Don't get me wrong. Other than this Pine is an incredible program. This >> >one flaw isn't enough to keep me from using it or recommending it to >> >others!) >> >> HALLELUJAH! >The only problem with these suggestions is that they don't, in fact, work >any more reliably than the current behaviour of asking the user whether >he wants to post a reply to the newsgroup. If Pine did *everything* you >asked, it would still be confronted with an ambiguous situation - and it >would either have to make an assumption according to your rules - which >is *guaranteed* to be wrong some of the time, or continue to ask for >guidance from the user after making a "best guess". >If your experience is too limited to imagine WHY this is the case, then >just catch up with that recent discussion in comp.mail.headers/header-people. >BTW: By *your* criteria, tin and [t]rn are "broken" because they do not >label saved messages to indicate that they came from the news spool. >( That is, unless you accept the convention that that is what the > existance of a "Newsgroups:" line means. ) >> >I respectfully disagree. Software which can't remember the physical >> >source of a message and instead relies on (possibly bogus) header >> >information is, IMHO broken, and should be fixed. >-- Steve Majewski (804-982-0831) -- >-- UVA Department of Molecular Physiology and Biological Physics -- >-- Box 449 Health Science Center Charlottesville,VA 22908 -- -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)313-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Gopher,chimera,nn,tin,jove,modems, free code is best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 22 22:45:58 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03529; Tue, 22 Nov 94 22:45:58 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03995; Tue, 22 Nov 94 22:43:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03989; Tue, 22 Nov 94 22:43:21 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rAB4r-00002RC; Tue, 22 Nov 94 22:21 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pisati@pippo.sm.dsi.unimi.it (stefano pisati) Subject: Pine & PGP Date: 22 Nov 1994 15:42:58 +0100 Message-Id: <3at01i$9g9@pippo.sm.dsi.unimi.it> There is the possibility to interface PGP 2.6 with PINE 3.91 ??? Tnx in advance !!! 73 de -_ Stefano _- "Stat rosa pristina nomine nomina nuda tenemus" ---------------------------------------------------------------- Stefano Pisati IW2JXK Internet: pisati@dsi.unimi.it AX25: iw2jxk@ik2uub.ilom.ita.eu Ampr : iw2jxk@iw2jxk.ampr.org ---------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 22 23:41:59 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04640; Tue, 22 Nov 94 23:41:59 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07385; Tue, 22 Nov 94 23:38:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07379; Tue, 22 Nov 94 23:38:41 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rABxl-00001JC; Tue, 22 Nov 94 23:17 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: messina@engin.umich.edu (Matt Messina) Subject: Re: ...defeat posting prompt...my final word. Date: 23 Nov 1994 04:10:32 GMT Message-Id: <3aufbo$9bn@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> References: Ed Greshko wrote: > From this discussion I've drawn two conclusions: > >1. Some people feel pine needs to be changed. Others feel the change > is unnecessary. > >2. Neither camp will convince the other camp. > > As it is their ultimate decision, I'm content to leave the decision >in the hands of the authors of pine. Actually, this is a pretty good indication that this should be user configurable. I'm not going to take a side on which should be the default. -- Matt Messina messina@umich.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 23 00:11:39 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05313; Wed, 23 Nov 94 00:11:39 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04976; Tue, 22 Nov 94 23:58:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04970; Tue, 22 Nov 94 23:58:16 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rACDs-000008C; Tue, 22 Nov 94 23:34 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: messina@engin.umich.edu (Matt Messina) Subject: Re: disabling newsreading for a single user Date: 23 Nov 1994 04:25:38 GMT Message-Id: <3aug82$9km@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> References: Greg Martz wrote: > I have one user who prefers to read newsgroups via tin, and get's upset at >the 30-60 second delay when going into the folder list because PINE checks the >newsgroup folders. Is there a way she can disable the newsgroup portion of >PINE and only keep the e-mail folders? In .pinerc: nntp-server="" news-collections="" That worked for me on 3.90a -- I assume it works in 3.91. -- Matt Messina messina@umich.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 23 00:18:07 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05421; Wed, 23 Nov 94 00:18:07 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07840; Wed, 23 Nov 94 00:13:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07834; Wed, 23 Nov 94 00:13:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rACVE-00001CC; Tue, 22 Nov 94 23:52 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: messina@engin.umich.edu (Matt Messina) Subject: Re: UseNet Posting is FAST!! Date: 23 Nov 1994 04:37:50 GMT Message-Id: <3auguu$9o3@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> References: Carl D Ragan wrote: >I have noticed when connecting and reading mail from either discussion >groups or binary groups that reading with "tin" is extremely slow as >compared with "pine", and they both function the same way (or maybe >not). Anyone know why Pine v 3.91 is faster in pulling up USENET groups. Although the subject says "Posting," I'm guessing you mean reading -- specifically bringing up a group. My guess is that your tin does its own threading -- I'd *much* rather have a threaded reader than a faster, unthreaded reader. (My tin lets the server thread, and I don't notice any difference in starting a group.) -- Matt Messina messina@umich.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 23 00:24:30 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05522; Wed, 23 Nov 94 00:24:30 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05248; Wed, 23 Nov 94 00:18:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05242; Wed, 23 Nov 94 00:18:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rACYd-00001EC; Tue, 22 Nov 94 23:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: help! carriage return problems? Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 20:27:03 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3au87q$blm@news.alaska.edu> Your NeXT system has a broken telnet server. Most NeXTs do. Try replacing the /usr/etc/telnetd binary with the fixed version on ftp.cac.washington.edu:pub/next-fix/telnetd -- Mark -- On 23 Nov 1994, Richard S Guse wrote: > > I recently compiled pine3.91 on a next system running MachBSD. I used > the command 'build nxt' and it built just fine. It tests out fine on the > NeXTs. However, connecting to that computer from a macintosh (IIci) running > system 7.0.1, everytime I hit 'return' to input a field in the compose section > (ie: to, Cc, Subject,Attchmnt), it asks for an attachment. Control-C only > works correctly if I set the interrupt-process control-character to something > other than control-c. Why is this? oh, I'm connecting via telnet through > NCSA Telnet 2.6. > do the macintoshes have a different CR-LF set-up? I connected to a pine > I know works, and it worked just fine, so it must be specific to my program. > Anyone know anything that I need to change? I'd like to get it working > correctly before installing it. Thanks lots, Scott. > > -- > Physicist by Choice, #define SYSOP GOD > Mathematician by Accident, #define REALITY NULL > CS student by Mistake, #include "universe.h" > Brilliant by act of God, e-mail: fxrsg@Camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu > Poor by act of Congress... or fxrsg@Aurora.alaska.edu > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 23 00:48:50 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06164; Wed, 23 Nov 94 00:48:50 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08239; Wed, 23 Nov 94 00:43:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08233; Wed, 23 Nov 94 00:43:52 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rACwV-000008C; Wed, 23 Nov 94 00:20 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hurtta@dionysos.Fmi.FI (Kari E. Hurtta) Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? Date: 22 Nov 1994 14:07:26 GMT Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: Rahul Dhesi's message <3assle$ijc@hustle.rahul.net> >>>>> "Rahul" == Rahul Dhesi writes >>>>> in comp.mail.pine and comp.mail.headers: Rahul» As we have already discussed, the 'dual postihng/reply' is presumptuous Rahul» and confusing and should not be used. Rahul» And in any case: Rahul» There is only one established meaning, and it's not the one pine is Rahul» using. When it's you vs everybody else, you will generally lose. Pine Rahul» loses. Well. Dual post/reply is also possible in nn and GNUS. [ Followups-to: comp.mail.headers and news.software.readers] -- - Kari E. Hurtta / Elämä on monimutkaista Kari.Hurtta@Fmi.FI puh. (90) 1929 658 {hurtta,root,Postmaster}@dionysos.fmi.fi From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 23 01:45:50 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08030; Wed, 23 Nov 94 01:45:50 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06122; Wed, 23 Nov 94 01:17:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from leeman.york.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06116; Wed, 23 Nov 94 01:17:52 -0800 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by leeman.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <00104-0@leeman.york.ac.uk>; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 09:13:04 +0000 Received: by tower.york.ac.uk (940715.SGI.52/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) for @leeman.york.ac.uk:pine-info@cac.washington.edu id AA05431; Wed, 23 Nov 94 09:17:01 GMT Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 09:17:00 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Brudenell To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 23 Nov 1994, R. Stewart Ellis wrote: > Of course if it comes from > nntp, then I know it is news. But what if you are reading news using IMAP rather than NNTP? In general you cannot rely on the delviery/access protocol to infer the "mailness" or "newsness" of a message (ie e-mail message or news article). Instead some attribute of the message itself must be looked for. Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Phone: +44-1904-433811 FAX: +44-1904-432767 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 23 07:48:52 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17748; Wed, 23 Nov 94 07:48:52 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11461; Wed, 23 Nov 94 07:39:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11455; Wed, 23 Nov 94 07:39:31 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rAJMQ-00000LC; Wed, 23 Nov 94 07:11 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ijgjanssen@et.tudelft.nl (Ivo Janssen) Subject: Getting rid of .pine-debug Message-Id: <1994Nov23.143552.5075@tudedv.et.tudelft.nl> Date: 23 Nov 94 14:35:52 +0100 How can I get rid of the .pine-debug files in my directory? Please e-mail, as I don't read this newsgroup regularly! Thanx in advance! -----------------------------| |--+ +--| |------------------------- | | ivo@morra.et.tudelft.nl Ivo Janssen | | |--+ ijgjanssen@et.tudelft.nl Dpt. of Electrical Engineering +---| |-<------+ tel.: .31-15-564709 Delft University of Technology | |--+ | res.: Busken Huetpad 5 The Netherlands | | 2624 XC Delft, NL -------------------------------------------+-| |-+-----------------+------ _ ---+--- 2B + 2B, that's the question. (G. Boole / W. Shakespeare) -+- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 23 07:53:31 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17925; Wed, 23 Nov 94 07:53:31 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11437; Wed, 23 Nov 94 07:38:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from bearcat.sbuniv.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11431; Wed, 23 Nov 94 07:38:03 -0800 Received: by bearcat.sbuniv.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA09568; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 09:39:38 -0600 Received: by admin.sbuniv.edu (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA02033; Wed, 23 Nov 94 09:35:45 -0600 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 09:35:45 -0600 (CST) From: Rick Nebel To: "David S. Eitelbach" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? In-Reply-To: <3atetv$hg2@crl9.crl.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ============================================================================= Is anyone else tired of having to wade through this fight in their mailboxes? ============================================================================= On 22 Nov 1994, David S. Eitelbach wrote: > Ed Greshko wrote: > > > I keep wondering why you find it necessary to include personal > > attacks? > > This is disingenuous: you inserted yourself and your posts are > goading and supercilious in parts. > > > > Did you make a fuss commensurate with the number of new toggles? > > > Only when I find them unnecessary. > > Did you evaluate all 64 new settings with the same vigor with which > you hack away at this one? Well, of course not. Something else is > at stake here now, isn't it? > > Referring to the massive upgrade from 3.89 to 3.9x, we now have > the following in the configuration setup screens (FIVE of 'em): > > 5 Rule Sets > 21 Value Settings (or similar) > 38 Toggles > ------------------------------ > 64 different settings, total. > > You would have us believe one more (or three, possibly--but unlikely) > would be outrageously excessive. I say that's a non-starter. > > > > I don't know....it seems as if the only way you would consider > > this to be a fair hearing is if everyone were to agree with you. > > I don't want everyone to agree; I want a fair hearing of my complaint > *on its own terms*, not dismissal of it as a side issue in a bloody > holy war. Some have listened openly, but it appears those in a > position to add a toggle aren't listening openly. > > I'm having a tough enough time of it as it is without having to keep > swatting at flies. I'd appreciate it if you'd get out of the road. > > David S. Eitelbach > dseitel@crl.com > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 23 08:08:05 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18418; Wed, 23 Nov 94 08:08:05 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14717; Wed, 23 Nov 94 08:01:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14711; Wed, 23 Nov 94 08:01:21 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rAJoA-00000LC; Wed, 23 Nov 94 07:40 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: nerz@ipx2.rz.uni-mannheim.de (Joachim Nerz) Subject: Re: Latest version of pine... Date: 23 Nov 1994 14:14:10 GMT Message-Id: <3avini$ls2@darum.uni-mannheim.de> References: <3at9pq$88o@arcadia.informatik.uni-muenchen.de> Alexander Zimmermann (zimmerma@informatik.uni-muenchen.de) wrote: : Hi, : I just want to know which is the latest version of pine and where I can get it (I'm on a Hp unix system)... Before you get it in Washington, we got the Sources for Pine-3.91 here in Germany: ftp://ftp.uni-mannheim.de/packages/mail/unix/pine3.91.tar.gz It compiled on our HP-UX without any problems. bye Joachim -- Joachim Nerz Rechenzentrum UNI-Mannheim From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 23 08:24:29 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19124; Wed, 23 Nov 94 08:24:29 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14999; Wed, 23 Nov 94 08:17:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mail.crl.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14993; Wed, 23 Nov 94 08:17:22 -0800 Received: from crl8.crl.com by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA02813 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 08:16:38 -0800 Received: by crl8.crl.com id AA17514 (5.65c/IDA-1.5); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 08:16:21 -0800 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 08:16:21 -0800 (PST) From: "David S. Eitelbach" To: Rick Nebel Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 23 Nov 1994, Rick Nebel wrote: > ============================================================================= > Is anyone else tired of having to wade through this fight in their mailboxes? > ============================================================================= I imagine so. Even Ed and I are tired of it and have agreed via private email to knock it off. But as far as it being *in your mailbox* --you have to take that up with the Pine people. (Lotsa luck!) They have a vision of news and mail inexorably converging and have somehow tied comp.mail.pine to your mailbox. I didn't do that. I merely POSTed an article to a NEWSgroup requesting a default be set more conservatively. I take no responsibility for it being in Rick Nebel's or anyone else's MAILbox. David S. Eitelbach dseitel@crl.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 23 09:33:47 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22975; Wed, 23 Nov 94 09:33:47 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16860; Wed, 23 Nov 94 09:27:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16851; Wed, 23 Nov 94 09:27:03 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Thu, 24 Nov 94 01:23:31 -0800 Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 01:23:30 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Rick Nebel Cc: "David S. Eitelbach" , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 23 Nov 1994, Rick Nebel wrote: > ============================================================================= > Is anyone else tired of having to wade through this fight in their mailboxes? > ============================================================================= Hummmm....Yes. One of the reasons I wrote my "final" word. If you really wanted to have some fun you should have been tuned into the ietf-822 list. Good night, David. ;-) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 23 09:42:17 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23414; Wed, 23 Nov 94 09:42:17 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17098; Wed, 23 Nov 94 09:34:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17092; Wed, 23 Nov 94 09:34:30 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Thu, 24 Nov 94 01:30:51 -0800 Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 01:30:51 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Ivo Janssen Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Getting rid of .pine-debug In-Reply-To: <1994Nov23.143552.5075@tudedv.et.tudelft.nl> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 23 Nov 1994, Ivo Janssen wrote: > How can I get rid of the .pine-debug files in my directory? I believe you have 2 choices: 1. Start pine with a '-d 0' parameter. 2. Recompile after removing the -DDEBUG flag. Ed From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 23 10:24:22 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25469; Wed, 23 Nov 94 10:24:22 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18228; Wed, 23 Nov 94 10:19:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18222; Wed, 23 Nov 94 10:19:11 -0800 Received: by watsun.cc.columbia.edu id AA08772 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 13:18:30 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 94 13:18:27 EST From: Joe Brennan To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Getting rid of .pine-debug Message-Id: Ed Greshko wrote-- > 1. Start pine with a '-d 0' parameter. > > 2. Recompile after removing the -DDEBUG flag. But the latter makes it impossible to get .pine-debug files later if you want them, using the -d option. I found the solution was to change a line in osdep/os-sun.h from #define DEFAULT_DEBUG 2 to #define DEFAULT_DEBUG 0. ^^^for SunOS in our case. This way you get the debug code included. The former can be done with a shell wrapper if you don't want to touch the code. Joseph Brennan Academic Information Systems Columbia University in the City of New York brennan@columbia.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 23 12:57:28 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00820; Wed, 23 Nov 94 12:57:28 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18605; Wed, 23 Nov 94 12:50:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18599; Wed, 23 Nov 94 12:50:07 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rAOJm-000014C; Wed, 23 Nov 94 12:29 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: ...defeat posting prompt...my final word. Date: 23 Nov 1994 19:30:20 GMT Message-Id: <3b058c$h8l@hustle.rahul.net> References: In egreshko@hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com (Ed Greshko) writes: >1. Some people feel pine needs to be changed. Others feel the change > is unnecessary. Hm. I thought it was: 1. Some people feel pine needs to be changed. 2. Others feel nn, trn, tin, rn, and other news readers need to be changed. -- Rahul Dhesi From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 23 13:53:39 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02732; Wed, 23 Nov 94 13:53:39 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22562; Wed, 23 Nov 94 13:50:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22556; Wed, 23 Nov 94 13:49:59 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rAPA5-00000LC; Wed, 23 Nov 94 13:23 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: A Child of the Universe Subject: Re: How to change the NAME in Pine? Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 18:45:34 -0600 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Tue, 15 Nov 1994, Jason Jagatic wrote: > I am currently using Pine 3.89 on a SGI Irix machine. I am just an > end user so I have no control over compiling anything, or setting up > new programs of any sort (well for the most part anyway...) > > want to now if it is possible to change this in pine and how? I do > not have any configuration option available to me in pine directly, so > I am confused. Maybe it is something in .pinerc? I dunno. Can some > please help? this is in .pinerc. In my file, it is one of the list 'essential paramaters' listed ... personal-name=Whatever You Want ... This is for 3.91, but I had my name set in 3.89 also ... should be the same thing. > Also, one other question. Is it possible to set PICO to use more than > 24 screen lines? My display is 48 and it looks really cheesy... > Thanks. i dunno anything about this. Cindy From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 23 14:00:38 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02971; Wed, 23 Nov 94 14:00:38 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22741; Wed, 23 Nov 94 13:57:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22735; Wed, 23 Nov 94 13:57:50 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rAPJM-000014C; Wed, 23 Nov 94 13:33 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? Date: 23 Nov 1994 21:07:51 GMT Message-Id: <3b0av7$qir@hustle.rahul.net> References: In Mark Crispin writes: >The only possible ``toggle'' would be one which turns off the ability to >follow-up to news postings. >We think that a news reader which does not allow you to post follow-ups >isn't very useful. If that's what you really want, just erase the >nntp-server variable. Then you won't have any more news posting. I believe the confusion is arising because a *mail reader* is allowing follow-ups to News. Pine is acting as both mail reader and News reader, but presenting the folow-up prompt indiscriminately regardless of its current role. -- Rahul Dhesi From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 23 14:02:36 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03207; Wed, 23 Nov 94 14:02:36 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20018; Wed, 23 Nov 94 13:57:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20012; Wed, 23 Nov 94 13:57:46 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rAPHx-00000vC; Wed, 23 Nov 94 13:31 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? Date: 23 Nov 1994 21:05:20 GMT Message-Id: <3b0aqg$qen@hustle.rahul.net> References: In sdm7g@virginia.edu ("Steven D. Majewski") writes: >If Pine did *everything* you >asked, it would still be confronted with an ambiguous situation... Suppose you create a unified News/mail system, which comprises: 1. A human being. 2. The mail reader elm. 3. The news reader nn. Now you have to agree that this system, let's call it HEN (human-elm-nn) integrates News and email, i.e., this system handles both. HEN has unergone extensive field-testing, and has not been seen to get confused about what is private email and what is not. What is the fundamental difference between pine and HEN, that causes pine to consider situations ambiguous that do not confuse HEN? If this question can be answered, a solution can be easily found. -- Rahul Dhesi From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 23 14:12:22 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03708; Wed, 23 Nov 94 14:12:22 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20280; Wed, 23 Nov 94 14:05:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20274; Wed, 23 Nov 94 14:05:37 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rAPUa-00001BC; Wed, 23 Nov 94 13:44 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: loflin@sirius.cc.utexas.edu (Don Loflin) Subject: Eudora still binhexes (was: Re: Will Pine Ever be Intelligent?) Date: 23 Nov 1994 15:22:29 -0600 Message-Id: <3b0bql$mab@sirius.cc.utexas.edu> References: Laurence Lundblade wrote: >On 21 Nov 1994, Nick Lurie wrote: > >> Yes! If I want to attach a document I choose attach and then click on the >> file I want to send. Eudora translates the document. If the person I am >> sending the file to is running Eudora, NuPop or some other intelligent mail >> program, the file is automatically translated back to the right format and >> the person can choose where to store it. That's intelligent. >> >Nick, are you commenting on the user interface in Pine for attachment >(assuming you've got some form of attachments to work) or on the fact that >attachments don't work at all? Here's an answer if the latter is the >question: >There's actually two formats that are commonly used for attachments these >days, MIME and uuencode (Surely that has been discussed here before??). Well, three - binhex, the default used in Eudora. >MIME is soon to the be the Internet standard for attachments, and is >fully implemented in Pine. Eudora is capable of doing both uuencode and >MIME though maybe not all versions. I suspect if you got your Eudora >using friends to reconfig it for MIME you'd find it operating quite >intelligently! Eudora uses Binhex, not UUENCODE. It can decode MIME, but the default for sending attachments is BINHEX, not Base64 (the encoding used in MIME). This is wrong, IMHO. The default ought to be MIME for outgoing, and my opinion is that it shouldn't even allow Binhex for outgoing messages. If you're using Mac Eudora, there's a trick to using proper MIME encoding so that Pine can read the attachments. You have to be sure and check the box labeled "always as Mac documents" as well as selecting "AppleDouble" for the encoding, or Mac Eudora will binhex. The PC version of Eudora is much better, offering a simple choice of MIME vs Binhex. Hopefully, the Mac version will switch to that interface in a future release. Since this message was Cc'd to Qualcomm, I ask them: when will you remove outgoing Binhex from Eudora, to reduce this kind of confusion and stop hindering widespread MIME acceptance? --- Don Loflin Microcomputer Technologies, // DISCLAIMER: I do not represent Computation Center - UT Austin // the views of my employer, nor loflin@mail.utexas.edu // am I acting officially for them From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 23 14:38:59 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05079; Wed, 23 Nov 94 14:38:59 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23523; Wed, 23 Nov 94 14:35:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23517; Wed, 23 Nov 94 14:35:14 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rAPyr-00000LC; Wed, 23 Nov 94 14:16 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dseitel@crl.com (David S. Eitelbach) Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? Date: 23 Nov 1994 08:47:34 -0800 Message-Id: <3avrn6$1pa@crl.crl.com> References: Mark Crispin wrote: > The only possible ``toggle'' would be one which turns off the ability to > follow-up to news postings. > We think that a news reader which does not allow you to post follow-ups > isn't very useful. If that's what you really want, just erase the > nntp-server variable. Then you won't have any more news posting. First of all, thank you for speaking to the issue. I think what you have suggested may not do what I want. I don't want to make it so I can't post (although you may :), but rather, I want to prevent others from being able to publicly post my private email to them. How can this be accomplished? Is Mr. Peter da Silva, who just posted what's below in comp.mail.headers, not on the right track? It looks eminently reasonable to me. "This question should be made *optional*, with the default being *off*. Then any user that is presented with this message has explicitly stated (by turning the option *on*) that they understand it and can handle it. Users who don't know any better will never accidentally post to news." David S. Eitelbach dseitel@crl.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 23 15:09:05 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06347; Wed, 23 Nov 94 15:09:05 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21616; Wed, 23 Nov 94 15:05:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21610; Wed, 23 Nov 94 15:05:29 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rAQOz-00000LC; Wed, 23 Nov 94 14:43 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: penev@pisa.Rockefeller.edu (Penio Penev) Subject: Re: Dropped packets Message-Id: Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 13:50:13 GMT References: <3atse2$7e0@interport.net> On 22 Nov 1994 17:47:30 -0500 Carlos Dominguez (carlos@interport.net) wrote: | Diana Peneva (peneva@interport.net) wrote: | : I have HUGE problems using telnet and Imap (from pine.) On the other hand http | : and ftp work normally. | : How come? What to do? | Turn on tracing within the trumpet stack and see what you get. Compare a | ftp session with an IMAP session and see whats going on. There may be | a problem with the trumpet stack or its implementation of PPP. | The first thing I see is that IMAP is _very chatty_. There are lots of IP packets flying around in both directons, mainly short -- 40-80 bytes. The waiting happens, when there is an outgoing packet and the answer doesn't come for long. How can I see what is in the packets themselves, so that I know exatly at what point in the IMAP protocol is the witing? -- Penio Penev 1-212-327-7423 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 23 15:10:04 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06398; Wed, 23 Nov 94 15:10:04 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24117; Wed, 23 Nov 94 15:05:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24111; Wed, 23 Nov 94 15:05:32 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rAQP9-00000vC; Wed, 23 Nov 94 14:43 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sdorner@qualcomm.com (Steve Dorner) Subject: Re: Eudora still binhexes (was: Re: Will Pine Ever be Intelligent?) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 16:09:41 -0600 Message-Id: References: <3b0bql$mab@sirius.cc.utexas.edu> In article <3b0bql$mab@sirius.cc.utexas.edu>, loflin@sirius.cc.utexas.edu (Don Loflin) wrote: >Eudora uses Binhex, not UUENCODE. It can decode MIME, but the default for >sending attachments is BINHEX, not Base64 (the encoding used in MIME). This >is wrong, IMHO. The default ought to be MIME for outgoing Eudora never uses anything except MIME. Even when it does BinHex or uuencode, it uses MIME. >and my opinion >is that it shouldn't even allow Binhex for outgoing messages. You're welcome to your opinion. My opinion is that you are a loon. >If you're using Mac Eudora, there's a trick to using proper MIME >encoding so that Pine can read the attachments. You have to be sure and >check the box labeled "always as Mac documents" as well as selecting >"AppleDouble" for the encoding, or Mac Eudora will binhex. BZZZZT. WRONG. Thank you for playing. Selecting AppleDouble is sufficient. Always as documents does not affect the AppleDouble vs BinHex choice. In fact, documents can be sent as MIME even when BinHex is chosen, if the data type is marked in the mapping resources (equivalent to mailcap) as having a superfluous resource fork & Macintosh type. >version of Eudora is much better, offering a simple choice of MIME vs >Binhex. Hopefully, the Mac version will switch to that interface in a >future release. Sure, right after Apple drops MacOS in favor of MS-DOS, and there are no resource forks to worry about anymore. And right after the IANA picks up Apple's extensive type registry, so that the Macintosh type information is no longer often the only way to figure out what's in a file. >Since this message was Cc'd to Qualcomm, I ask them: when will you remove >outgoing Binhex from Eudora, to reduce this kind of confusion and stop >hindering widespread MIME acceptance? You are sadly misinformed. Eudora uses MIME even when BinHex'ing, and it accepts all sorts of MIME. I'm hardly hindering MIME acceptance. -- Steve Dorner, Qualcomm Inc. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 23 15:29:27 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07209; Wed, 23 Nov 94 15:29:27 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22021; Wed, 23 Nov 94 15:25:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22015; Wed, 23 Nov 94 15:25:33 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rAQiv-000014C; Wed, 23 Nov 94 15:03 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu (J. Kelly Cunningham) Subject: Re: Pine & PGP Date: 23 Nov 1994 17:18:47 GMT Message-Id: <3avthn$3r4@huron.eel.ufl.edu> References: <3at01i$9g9@pippo.sm.dsi.unimi.it> In article <3at01i$9g9@pippo.sm.dsi.unimi.it>, stefano pisati wrote: >There is the possibility to interface PGP 2.6 with PINE 3.91 ??? finger slutsky@lipschitz.sfasu.edu | pgp -f > mkpgp.txt.uu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 23 16:08:51 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08808; Wed, 23 Nov 94 16:08:51 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22765; Wed, 23 Nov 94 16:00:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22759; Wed, 23 Nov 94 16:00:54 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rARJi-00000LC; Wed, 23 Nov 94 15:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu (J. Kelly Cunningham) Subject: mkpgp was last updated on Nov 23 11:31. Date: 23 Nov 1994 17:41:40 GMT Message-Id: <3avusk$45r@huron.eel.ufl.edu> mkpgp was last updated on Nov 23 11:31. finger slutsky@lipschitz.sfasu.edu | pgp -f > mkpgp.txt.uu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 23 16:24:29 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09348; Wed, 23 Nov 94 16:24:29 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25674; Wed, 23 Nov 94 16:15:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25668; Wed, 23 Nov 94 16:15:41 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rARXT-00000vC; Wed, 23 Nov 94 15:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Where in the Net is IMAP (binaries) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 09:32:29 -0800 Message-Id: References: <3ajnfn$lm0@oak.oakland.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3ajnfn$lm0@oak.oakland.edu> Pre-compiled binaries and sources are available from ftp.cac.washington.edu. SunOS/SPARC binaries are available in the pine/unix-bin directory. Sources are included in the Pine source distribution, or the latest experimental version is available in mail/imap.tar.Z. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 19 Nov 1994, kirk wrote: > Date: 19 NOV 1994 02:21:43 GMT > From: kirk > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Where in the Net is IMAP (binaries) > > TWIMC > > I've two & a half questions for someone. > > 1 & 1/2 > > Does anyone Know where to IMAPD binaries for > a SPARC 10 running SunOS4.1 to use pine 3.91. > And will the binaries run on a machine that > haven't been compiled on. > > & if not > > Where can I find sources for the machine setup > above. The sources I found where missing files. > > > Still hacking after > all these beers. > > kirk@enterprise.eng.wayne.edu > > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 23 17:28:32 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11835; Wed, 23 Nov 94 17:28:32 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24355; Wed, 23 Nov 94 17:20:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24349; Wed, 23 Nov 94 17:20:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rASXl-00000vC; Wed, 23 Nov 94 17:00 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? Date: 23 Nov 1994 22:32:45 GMT Message-Id: <3b0fud$77j@news.halcyon.com> References: Mark Crispin writes: >The only possible ``toggle'' would be one which turns off the ability to >follow-up to news postings. Is it truly not possible to change the Pine code so that it does something like this? Suppose the variable is called "post-from-message-folder": if in newsgroup reply means ask user whether to post, mail, or do both else (i.e., if in inbox or message folder) if post-from-message-folder=true reply means ask user whether to post, mail, or do both else reply means mail fi fi -- /\_/\ ( o.o ) Nancy McGough > ^ < Infinite Ink From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 23 18:04:13 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12746; Wed, 23 Nov 94 18:04:13 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27565; Wed, 23 Nov 94 17:59:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27559; Wed, 23 Nov 94 17:59:40 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Thu, 24 Nov 94 09:56:11 -0800 Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 09:56:10 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Joe Brennan Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Getting rid of .pine-debug In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 23 Nov 1994, Joe Brennan wrote: > But the latter makes it impossible to get .pine-debug files later if > you want them, using the -d option. I found the solution was to > change a line in osdep/os-sun.h from #define DEFAULT_DEBUG 2 to > #define DEFAULT_DEBUG 0. ^^^for SunOS in our case. > This way you get the debug code included. Very Good.....have to remember that. Ed From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 23 18:40:13 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13919; Wed, 23 Nov 94 18:40:13 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25531; Wed, 23 Nov 94 18:36:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25523; Wed, 23 Nov 94 18:35:58 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rAThs-00001CC; Wed, 23 Nov 94 18:14 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: ...defeat posting prompt...my final word. Date: 24 Nov 94 00:45:03 GMT Message-Id: References: <3b058c$h8l@hustle.rahul.net> Rahul Dhesi writes: >In >egreshko@hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com (Ed Greshko) writes: >>1. Some people feel pine needs to be changed. Others feel the change >> is unnecessary. >Hm. I thought it was: >1. Some people feel pine needs to be changed. >2. Others feel nn, trn, tin, rn, and other news readers need to be changed. I mailed myself a news article from nn 6.5b3. It did not bear the offending Newsgroups: header. I do not have the patience to put up with the others long enough to test all of them. >-- >Rahul Dhesi -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)313-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Gopher,chimera,nn,tin,jove,modems, free code is best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 23 18:40:45 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13951; Wed, 23 Nov 94 18:40:45 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28167; Wed, 23 Nov 94 18:35:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28161; Wed, 23 Nov 94 18:35:56 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rATgS-00000vC; Wed, 23 Nov 94 18:13 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Jeno M. Bratts" Subject: PCPine: Windows WinSock version Date: 23 Nov 1994 20:48:43 GMT Message-Id: <3b09rb$12ra@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> Anybody out there know if one can set the correct TimeZone for Pine? The clients at my site are using -0800 PST by default; we need it to reset it to: -0500 EST. Thanks for any help... email: jeno@sophia.sph.unc.edu jbratts.sph2@mhs.unc.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 23 20:58:53 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16587; Wed, 23 Nov 94 20:58:53 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29987; Wed, 23 Nov 94 20:56:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29981; Wed, 23 Nov 94 20:56:21 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rAVse-00000vC; Wed, 23 Nov 94 20:34 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: wself@ccnet.com Subject: Re: How to post news through pine or elm? Date: 22 Nov 1994 21:11:38 -0800 Message-Id: <3auiua$41c@ccnet.ccnet.com> References: <397934$pjg@spool.cs.wisc.edu> <3agb0t$on9@crl5.crl.com> <3agjjs$iqa@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <3aomouINNfjb@tahma.cs.hut.fi> <3ap6ls$pdc@crl10.crl.com> S. Rennacker (slr@crl.com) wrote: : I am told that the form: : news-group-name@internet.address would do it, so I ask: : 1. Is that correct? Yes... : 2. How can one ascertain the "internet.address" portion of the above from : slr@crl.com Try mailing to : comp.mail.elm@crl.com ------ cyal8r ------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 23 23:44:57 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19240; Wed, 23 Nov 94 23:44:57 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02011; Wed, 23 Nov 94 23:41:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02005; Wed, 23 Nov 94 23:41:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rAYUs-00001CC; Wed, 23 Nov 94 23:21 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: ...defeat posting prompt...my final word. Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 23:13:05 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On 24 Nov 1994, R. Stewart Ellis wrote: > I mailed myself a news article from nn 6.5b3. It did not bear the offending > Newsgroups: header. In which case you will not experience the problem. So you are a happy user, right? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 23 23:46:30 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19305; Wed, 23 Nov 94 23:46:30 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29267; Wed, 23 Nov 94 23:41:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29261; Wed, 23 Nov 94 23:41:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rAYUh-00000vC; Wed, 23 Nov 94 23:21 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 23:10:55 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3b0fud$77j@news.halcyon.com> On 23 Nov 1994, Nancy McGough wrote: > if in newsgroup The problem is that this conditional is unimplementable. It is not deterministic that something is "mail" or "news", except in a very restricted environment. You then get into the business of deciding what to do about false positives or false negatives. What is particularly frightening is that new environments being deployed use storage technology that are of the non-deterministic form. We would then have to deal with bug reports of the form: "Pine refuses to let me send a reply because it says ``this message is news''" or "Pine refuses to let me follow up to a news posting because it says "this message is mail"''. This may satisfy a few noisy people who use broken news readers to send mail, and who refuse to re-configure them not to do the broken thing. But it would lead to a support nightmare for us. Worse, it makes us unable to do things we need to do for the people who pay our salaries to work on Pine. It's better to let the noisy people have their flame. If necessary, there's always the silent treatment. After a while when they find that nobody is paying attention to them, they'll go away. This isn't to say we aren't going to be refining the behavior of Reply. We will, as Terry Gray outlined earlier in this newsgroup. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 23 23:50:16 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19384; Wed, 23 Nov 94 23:50:16 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29314; Wed, 23 Nov 94 23:46:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29308; Wed, 23 Nov 94 23:46:50 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rAYYU-00001EC; Wed, 23 Nov 94 23:25 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 22:43:54 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3avrn6$1pa@crl.crl.com> On 23 Nov 1994, David S. Eitelbach wrote: > I don't want to make it so I can't post > (although you may :), but rather, I want to prevent others from being able > to publicly post my private email to them. How can this be accomplished? You are asking for the impossible. Anyone can post any data to which they have physical access. There is nothing that Pine can do to prevent it, since the user could post without using Pine! If you don't want a message posted, do the following: 1) Make sure your messages don't have a "Newsgroups:" header unless they are going to news. If you use Pine, this is done for you. So, consider using Pine instead of Tin to read news. 2) If you send a private reply to a news posting, and you are concerned about it becoming private, say something like: ``This is a private response, please don't post it.'' at the start of your message. I do both. There are frequently instances in which I need to make an ``off the record'' response to someone with information that is not public knowledge. Some individuals do neither, and they are the ones who have the problem. They use some other newsreader that puts Newsgroups: headers in mail, assuming that a mail reader won't interpret it as an indication of public posting. This is a big assumption to make. It is not justified by any RFC. Pine didn't create the problem; this assumption was rendered false by certain mail readers years ago. Pine just seems to be the first widely (massively?) disseminated mailer that defies this assumption. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 24 00:04:34 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19713; Thu, 24 Nov 94 00:04:34 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02218; Thu, 24 Nov 94 00:01:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02212; Thu, 24 Nov 94 00:01:34 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rAYog-00000vC; Wed, 23 Nov 94 23:42 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 23:27:59 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3b0aqg$qen@hustle.rahul.net> On 23 Nov 1994, Rahul Dhesi wrote: > Suppose you create a unified News/mail system, which comprises: > > 1. A human being. > 2. The mail reader elm. > 3. The news reader nn. > > Now you have to agree that this system, let's call it HEN > (human-elm-nn) integrates News and email, i.e., this system handles > both. HEN has unergone extensive field-testing, and has not been > seen to get confused about what is private email and what is not. > > What is the fundamental difference between pine and HEN, that causes > pine to consider situations ambiguous that do not confuse HEN? If this > question can be answered, a solution can be easily found. HEN does not support a number of environments which Pine supports; it only works in a very narrowly constrained environment. HEN can not without encountering the same problems, only worse due to its modality (see next paragraph). HEN requires you to go modal; that is, to say ``put me in news mode'', and ``put me in email mode''. Note that the user has to set the mode by direct action, and can not go from one mode to the other without completely exiting the current mode and losing all the state. HEN also has a different command set depending upon the mode, and very different behaviors. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 24 02:38:19 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23244; Thu, 24 Nov 94 02:38:19 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01544; Thu, 24 Nov 94 02:32:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01538; Thu, 24 Nov 94 02:32:03 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rAb7j-00000HC; Thu, 24 Nov 94 02:09 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: vsk@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_DOMAIN_FILE (Ville S.Kemppinen) Subject: Imapd instead of rsh Date: 24 Nov 1994 09:58:54 GMT Message-Id: <3b1o4v$lhi@idefix.eunet.fi> How can I set my Pine 3.91 to use imapd instead of rsh? This is a very important thing to me because I can't acces to my pop-mail because my pine uses rsh. I am using Linux 1.1.54. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 24 02:47:06 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23394; Thu, 24 Nov 94 02:47:06 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04312; Thu, 24 Nov 94 02:42:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04306; Thu, 24 Nov 94 02:42:08 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rAbKm-00001CC; Thu, 24 Nov 94 02:23 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: zimmerma@informatik.uni-muenchen.de (Alexander Zimmermann) Subject: Re: Latest version of pine... Date: 24 Nov 1994 10:08:45 GMT Message-Id: <3b1ond$dbt@arcadia.informatik.uni-muenchen.de> References: <3at9pq$88o@arcadia.informatik.uni-muenchen.de> <3avini$ls2@darum.uni-mannheim.de> Hi, Just wanted to say thanks for your input. Thanks also to the people who sent me email. -- Alex ----------------------------------------------- Alexander Zimmermann Smail: Preziosastr. 25 81927 Muenchen Germany Email: zimmerma@cip.informatik.uni-muenchen.de Also Internet-Slave for IMAGINE e.V., Munich Finger me to get a plan of my various activities. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 24 03:01:46 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23782; Thu, 24 Nov 94 03:01:46 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01777; Thu, 24 Nov 94 02:52:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01771; Thu, 24 Nov 94 02:52:13 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rAbSi-00001DC; Thu, 24 Nov 94 02:31 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? Date: 24 Nov 1994 10:14:05 GMT Message-Id: <3b1p1d$t34@hustle.rahul.net> References: <3arcr5$dvd@hustle.rahul.net> <3arnlc$8ti@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> In <3arnlc$8ti@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> james@basil.sl.pitt.edu (Oh Captain) writes: >All right, I personally can't think of a counterexample off hand, but gnus >might be one; I'm not so familiar with it. Your candor is appreciated. We are no longer disputing the facts (always frustrating for both sides) but opinions, and here there is some room to agree to disagree. >...it is plainly and intuitively broken behavior and rampant >violation of any logical standards process. >What these newsreaders are doing is copying over headers from a replied- >to message into a format for which they are undefined. Undefined by the RFCs, but defined by practice. May I respectfully remind you of the xmodem file transfer protocol, which is far more standard and ubiquituous than any RFC can ever hope to be, and yet is defined in none. Neither are Kermit or zmodem defined in any RFC -- if they can be considered defined at all -- yet that has not prevented them from being useful. Or of SLIP, which hundreds of thousands of people fire up on their Macs and PCs everyday, which preceded its RFC. I understand that TCP and IP too were invented before their respective RFCs. Standards are meant to codify or facilitate practice, not stifle it. Those who disagree with this will be happier on the X.400 and X.500 committees. I have a little essay about one-eyed camels and Pharisees which I will email to you (with or without the Newsgroups: header, as you wish) upon request. And don't forget that we do have an RFC which by implication requires email software to accept the Newsgroups: header. It's the one that says that it should be possible to feed any valid News posting to email software. By implication, any email software that can't handle this must be considered to violate this particular RFC. (I believe it's RFC 1036.) Furthermore, the spirit of all the mail-related RFCs is that any header with the right format should be accepted. The email software is not required to *understand* a header in order to transmit it. Some, like the Newsgroups: header in email (as well as Subject:) are for the use of the human reader and their semantics are of no value to the intermediate email software. >This is >completely different than anything in any RFC for either email or news; Please do ask me about the camel. -- Rahul Dhesi From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 24 03:53:12 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25091; Thu, 24 Nov 94 03:53:12 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05089; Thu, 24 Nov 94 03:47:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05083; Thu, 24 Nov 94 03:47:16 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rAcHg-00001DC; Thu, 24 Nov 94 03:24 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: d93matkr@adonis.isy.liu.se (MATS KRONBERG) Subject: Pine VMS port. Date: 24 Nov 1994 10:58:43 GMT Message-Id: I have put the Pine port to VMS on the following FTP site, for all of you who lack the patience to use the site in Israel.. :) ftp://ftp.ctrl-c.liu.se/vms/pine -Mats From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 24 04:20:08 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26083; Thu, 24 Nov 94 04:20:08 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03034; Thu, 24 Nov 94 04:12:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03028; Thu, 24 Nov 94 04:12:21 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rAciq-00000HC; Thu, 24 Nov 94 03:52 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Roy Magne Indreboe Subject: Reading NEWS with PINE - HELP? Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 12:39:26 +0100 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've tried reading news with pine, and it works great. But I miss some functions which I'm used to when I use tin newsreader. Will postings be there forever if you don't delete them, or do you have to delete them to avoid getting lots of postings. Is there a catchup feature? Thanks! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Name: Roy Magne Indreboe - e-mail: roy.m.indrebo@hiMolde.no IRC: PigOnWing - Mail: Bergveien 2, 6400 MOLDE, NORWAY - Phone:71254934 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 24 04:43:39 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26509; Thu, 24 Nov 94 04:43:39 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05807; Thu, 24 Nov 94 04:32:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05795; Thu, 24 Nov 94 04:32:25 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rAcyo-00001CC; Thu, 24 Nov 94 04:08 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? Date: 24 Nov 1994 11:54:02 GMT Message-Id: <3b1usr$73g@hustle.rahul.net> References: In Mark Crispin writes: >HEN requires you to go modal; that is, to say ``put me in news mode'', and >``put me in email mode''. Quite perceptive Mark, but not the whole story. Within HEN there is knowledge of what is being read -- News or email -- but HEN as a system is like pine, in that it could be accessing either, or both at the same time. The critical difference is: HEN never posts a Usenet sollowup from a saved file. It posts Usenet followups only when getting a Usenet posting from a News server, e.g., an nntp server or a file server with a News spool. Replies to saved files are sent only by email, and cc'd only to selected people, never duplicated to Usenet. There is no need to remember where a saved file came from. One possible definition of "saved file" is "a file in the user's private file area". -- Rahul Dhesi From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 24 05:24:41 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27505; Thu, 24 Nov 94 05:24:41 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03710; Thu, 24 Nov 94 05:07:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03704; Thu, 24 Nov 94 05:07:23 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rAdZJ-00001CC; Thu, 24 Nov 94 04:46 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: ...defeat posting prompt...my final word. Date: 24 Nov 94 12:29:07 GMT Message-Id: References: <3b058c$h8l@hustle.rahul.net> ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) writes: >Rahul Dhesi writes: > >In > >egreshko@hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com (Ed Greshko) writes: > >>1. Some people feel pine needs to be changed. Others feel the change > >> is unnecessary. > >Hm. I thought it was: > >1. Some people feel pine needs to be changed. > >2. Others feel nn, trn, tin, rn, and other news readers need to be changed. >I mailed myself a news article from nn 6.5b3. It did not bear the offending >Newsgroups: header. Oops! I mailed myself with the wrong mode, I did the equivalent of forwarding the news article to myself with mail ('m' in nn). I just replied to this message from nn ('r'), which sends just to the original poster, and when I got the reply in my mailbox, it does have the 'offending' header. Had I done a followup ('f'), then the reply would have been put on the newspool. Sometimes modality is a good thing. I have to choose a different course of action to forward, reply, and group reply. While I think the inclusion of the header sort of out of band is broken -- it really ought to be part of the attribution line only (which nn does in addition to the header) -- since all the major newsreaders (except pine?) do it, I have little chance of changing that. While it is all well and good to stand on principle on a matter of design elegance, it still will not fix the damaged product of your elegant design and their broken ones. All I want is a configurable choice, based on transport protocol or path, that refrains from presenting my users with the choice of embarrassing the person who sent them a private email. I am leaving pine 3.89 installed, running 3.90 out of my own directories, hoping for some sign of recognition that this might be a real problem for real people, while the pine team seem intransigent in their hope that the rest of the world can be dragged kicking and screaming to their cognitive map. I really believe that most people have a different cognitive map of mail, which comes to you, and news, which you go get. >I do not have the patience to put up with the others long enough to test all >of them. > >-- > >Rahul Dhesi >-- > R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)313-762-9765 ___________________ -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)313-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Gopher,chimera,nn,tin,jove,modems, free code is best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 24 05:25:01 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27533; Thu, 24 Nov 94 05:25:01 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06302; Thu, 24 Nov 94 05:12:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06296; Thu, 24 Nov 94 05:12:33 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rAdcl-00001DC; Thu, 24 Nov 94 04:50 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: ...defeat posting prompt...my final word. Date: 24 Nov 94 12:49:31 GMT Message-Id: References: Mark Crispin writes: >On 24 Nov 1994, R. Stewart Ellis wrote: >> I mailed myself a news article from nn 6.5b3. It did not bear the offending >> Newsgroups: header. >In which case you will not experience the problem. So you are a happy >user, right? There you go, confusing me again. If you are going to reply to me both in my private email and in news, please do me the courtesy of indicating that to me in the body of the message, something I always do when I both mail and post a reply to someone. As far as I know, I am only responding to news, but with the info-pine gateway, who knows. See, I don't like mailing lists either. If I could I would get all my mailing list stuff with news. In response, I was mistaken, nn acts like everything else. What is at issue anyway is not what happens when I get mail from myself, but from all those anonymous people out there on Usenet, whose tools I have no control over. Short answer: no. -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)313-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Gopher,chimera,nn,tin,jove,modems, free code is best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 24 05:28:30 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27601; Thu, 24 Nov 94 05:28:30 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03895; Thu, 24 Nov 94 05:22:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03889; Thu, 24 Nov 94 05:22:35 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rAdpw-00000HC; Thu, 24 Nov 94 05:03 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? Date: 24 Nov 94 12:59:21 GMT Message-Id: References: Mark Crispin writes: >On 23 Nov 1994, Nancy McGough wrote: >> if in newsgroup >The problem is that this conditional is unimplementable. >It is not deterministic that something is "mail" or "news", except in a >very restricted environment. You then get into the business of deciding >what to do about false positives or false negatives. What is particularly >frightening is that new environments being deployed use storage >technology that are of the non-deterministic form. >We would then have to deal with bug reports of the form: "Pine refuses to >let me send a reply because it says ``this message is news''" or "Pine >refuses to let me follow up to a news posting because it says "this >message is mail"''. >This may satisfy a few noisy people who use broken news readers to send >mail, and who refuse to re-configure them not to do the broken thing. But >it would lead to a support nightmare for us. Worse, it makes us unable to >do things we need to do for the people who pay our salaries to work on Pine. I can reconfigure mine, but I have no problem, I hardly ever send anything in email that I am not willing to have blabbed to the world. The problem is the majority of people are using news clients that do the broken thing. Your arguments are suggestive of someone who designed a new car that gets better mileage and performance, but must be driven on the left side of the road, and then insisting everyone else in the other cars is crazy because they refuse to change over to your way of doing things, and whenever you crash into one of them, screaming and ranting that they should not have been on the left side of your road. >It's better to let the noisy people have their flame. If necessary, >there's always the silent treatment. After a while when they find that >nobody is paying attention to them, they'll go away. Don't bet on it. >This isn't to say we aren't going to be refining the behavior of Reply. >We will, as Terry Gray outlined earlier in this newsgroup. Perhaps this is enough to satisfy us. Share some ideas with us. It wouldn't obligate you to follow our suggestions anymore than the current noisefest, but it might satisfy us. When you are selling a new idea to people who are comfortable with the modality of news and mail, persuasion and compromise would be preferable to coercion. -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)313-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Gopher,chimera,nn,tin,jove,modems, free code is best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 24 05:30:28 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27686; Thu, 24 Nov 94 05:30:28 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03921; Thu, 24 Nov 94 05:24:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from alpha.Teleglobe.CA by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03913; Thu, 24 Nov 94 05:24:08 -0800 Received: by alpha.Teleglobe.CA (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA11301; Thu, 24 Nov 1994 08:24:09 -0500 Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 08:24:09 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Thibaudeau To: "Jeno M. Bratts" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: PCPine: Windows WinSock version In-Reply-To: <3b09rb$12ra@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 23 Nov 1994, Jeno M. Bratts wrote: > Anybody out there know if one can set the correct TimeZone for > Pine? The clients at my site are using -0800 PST by default; > we need it to reset it to: -0500 EST. > > Thanks for any help... > > email: jeno@sophia.sph.unc.edu > jbratts.sph2@mhs.unc.edu > You simply set the environment variable TZ a la Unix: set TZ=EST5EDT or whatever is appropriate for your time zone. However, there is a known bug in pcpine_w 3.91 (read the enclosed forwarded message) that makes this feature erroneus during daylight saving time. -- Pierre Thibaudeau | e-mail: TELEGLOBE CANADA | 1000, rue de La Gauchetiere ouest | Tel: +1-514-868-7538 Montreal, Qc H3B 4X5 | Canada | fax: +1-514-868-7257 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >From dlm@cac.washington.eduThu Nov 24 08:17:37 1994 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 10:36:15 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: Pierre Thibaudeau Cc: Pine Developers Subject: Re: Bug (ID 534XD): Correct bias according to TZ Pierre, This bug will be fixed in Pine 3.92. Thanks for the report! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Thu, 20 Oct 1994, Pierre Thibaudeau wrote: > Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 10:57:55 -0600 (EDT) > From: Pierre Thibaudeau > To: Pine Developers > Subject: Bug (ID 534XD): Correct bias according to TZ > > The TZ variable no longer interferes with Pine's Send function. Thank > you for this correction. > > However, with TZ=EST5EDT the header of out-going messages says > -0600 (EDT) while the Unix version appropriately writes -0400 (EDT). > > Thank's for the good work. > -- > Pierre Thibaudeau | e-mail: > TELEGLOBE CANADA | > 1000, rue de La Gauchetiere ouest | Tel: +1-514-868-7538 > Montreal, Qc H3B 4X5 | > Canada | fax: +1-514-868-7257 > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 24 05:36:42 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27834; Thu, 24 Nov 94 05:36:42 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06458; Thu, 24 Nov 94 05:27:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06452; Thu, 24 Nov 94 05:27:30 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rAdsR-00001EC; Thu, 24 Nov 94 05:06 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? Date: 24 Nov 94 13:07:05 GMT Message-Id: References: Mark Crispin writes: >On 23 Nov 1994, Rahul Dhesi wrote: >> Suppose you create a unified News/mail system, which comprises: >> >> 1. A human being. >> 2. The mail reader elm. >> 3. The news reader nn. >> >> Now you have to agree that this system, let's call it HEN >> (human-elm-nn) integrates News and email, i.e., this system handles >> both. HEN has unergone extensive field-testing, and has not been >> seen to get confused about what is private email and what is not. >> >> What is the fundamental difference between pine and HEN, that causes >> pine to consider situations ambiguous that do not confuse HEN? If this >> question can be answered, a solution can be easily found. >HEN does not support a number of environments which Pine supports; it only >works in a very narrowly constrained environment. HEN can not without >encountering the same problems, only worse due to its modality (see next >paragraph). >HEN requires you to go modal; that is, to say ``put me in news mode'', and >``put me in email mode''. Note that the user has to set the mode by >direct action, and can not go from one mode to the other without >completely exiting the current mode and losing all the state. HEN also >has a different command set depending upon the mode, and very different >behaviors. But some of us are very comfortable with modality here. I am having a hard time with the equation you are pushing: one-to-many=one-to-one It just does not compute for me. -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)313-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Gopher,chimera,nn,tin,jove,modems, free code is best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 24 05:44:17 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28004; Thu, 24 Nov 94 05:44:17 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04032; Thu, 24 Nov 94 05:32:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04026; Thu, 24 Nov 94 05:32:35 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rAdvQ-00001CC; Thu, 24 Nov 94 05:09 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: Reading NEWS with PINE - HELP? Date: 24 Nov 94 13:10:01 GMT Message-Id: References: Roy Magne Indreboe writes: >I've tried reading news with pine, and it works great. >But I miss some functions which I'm used to when I use tin newsreader. >Will postings be there forever if you don't delete them, or do you have >to delete them to avoid getting lots of postings. >Is there a catchup feature? Yes, you have to explicitly delete them. The pine team are strongly of the opinion that mail and news are exactly the same thing. Of course, the news spool will ultimately expire them, but that is not what you mean. You can select a bunch of articles, zoom them, read them, saving any you want to, then select all the zoomed articles and apply delete to them, but that is too confusing for me. I am sticking with nn. >Thanks! >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Name: Roy Magne Indreboe - e-mail: roy.m.indrebo@hiMolde.no >IRC: PigOnWing - Mail: Bergveien 2, 6400 MOLDE, NORWAY - Phone:71254934 >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)313-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Gopher,chimera,nn,tin,jove,modems, free code is best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 24 05:44:31 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28036; Thu, 24 Nov 94 05:44:31 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06618; Thu, 24 Nov 94 05:38:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06612; Thu, 24 Nov 94 05:37:59 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rAe0b-00001DC; Thu, 24 Nov 94 05:14 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? Date: 24 Nov 94 13:14:03 GMT Message-Id: References: <3b1usr$73g@hustle.rahul.net> Rahul Dhesi writes: >In > >Mark Crispin writes: >>HEN requires you to go modal; that is, to say ``put me in news mode'', and >>``put me in email mode''. >Quite perceptive Mark, but not the whole story. Within HEN there >is knowledge of what is being read -- News or email -- but HEN as >a system is like pine, in that it could be accessing either, or >both at the same time. But Rahul, I think this is the thing they are proudest of. >The critical difference is: > HEN never posts a Usenet sollowup from a saved file. It posts > Usenet followups only when getting a Usenet posting from a News > server, e.g., an nntp server or a file server with a News spool. > Replies to saved files are sent only by email, and cc'd only > to selected people, never duplicated to Usenet. >There is no need to remember where a saved file came from. I would be happiest if I could deprive pine of all knowledge of news and newsgroups. The way I use tools is: edit with jove, news with nn, mail with pine. If I wanted one tool for everything I would choose emacs on VMS (the set/everything OS). I want modality on some matters so that I do not have to lose time thinking about things like is this private or public. >One possible definition of "saved file" is "a file in the user's >private file area". Good Answer! (but mail is still in the spool). >-- >Rahul Dhesi -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)313-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Gopher,chimera,nn,tin,jove,modems, free code is best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 24 06:19:17 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28637; Thu, 24 Nov 94 06:19:17 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04399; Thu, 24 Nov 94 06:04:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04390; Thu, 24 Nov 94 06:04:46 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rAeSn-00000HC; Thu, 24 Nov 94 05:43 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: ...defeat posting prompt...my final word. Date: 24 Nov 1994 13:34:10 GMT Message-Id: <3b24oi$dhr@hustle.rahul.net> References: <3b058c$h8l@hustle.rahul.net> In ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) writes: >I really believe that most people have a different cognitive map of >mail, which comes to you, and news, which you go get. This is a *very* elegant statement. After some thinking, I have come to realize that - Newsgroups: header in email - Offer to post a reply to Usenet - News == email or News != email are all side issues. The real issue is this: Usenet followups should be sent only when reading Usenet news "live", i.e., when a freshly-obtained posting (which you "get") is being viewed. After you have "gotten" it and saved it, it becomes akin to email and no more Usenet followups should be derived from it. I'm reminded of a number of sports in which the ball is "alive" (in play) from a certain moment to a certain moment, and one may score points during that time. After some amount of play, the ball is "dead" and no more points may be scored until it becomes alive again. Well, Usenet is like that. One does not followup to a "dead" Usenet posting, one that has been plucked from the Usenet context and put into one's personal folder. Usenet is a game played in context. One follows up only to a "live" posting, one that has not yet become "dead". Nothing arriving by email is a Usenet posting (though it might be a "dead", i.e., saved, copy.) Nothing in one's personal files is a Usenet posting (thought it might be a "dead", i.e., saved copy). Pine wants to score points after the ball is dead. -- Rahul Dhesi From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 24 07:58:33 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00136; Thu, 24 Nov 94 07:58:33 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07830; Thu, 24 Nov 94 07:29:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07824; Thu, 24 Nov 94 07:29:16 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rAfjN-00001DC; Thu, 24 Nov 94 07:05 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David.Constant@cmu.edu (David Constant) Subject: PC-Pine standalone and remote folders Date: 24 Nov 1994 15:33:22 GMT Message-Id: <3b2bo2$mm0@hermes.achilles.net> Hello, I'm converting over from Unix Pine to Pc-Pine. One of the reasons I'm doing this is so that I can look over old mail without having to dial in. However, if I start PC-Pine without Winsock, it takes *forever* to get access to my local folders, as PC-Pine goes looking for the INBOX first. Similarly, every time I use the L command to see my list of folders, I again have to wait for network timeouts as PC-Pine looks for my remote folders. Is there any way that I can use PC-Pine standalone, so that I'm the one who tells it when to go looking for the INBOX and remote folders? On a related point, I did dial-in and was successful in moving between local and remote folders (a wonderful feature: now I have to figure out how to get access to my folders at Carnegie Mellon -- some problem with authentication I think!). However, when I tried to save 12 messages selected in a remote folder to a local folder, it took forever. I kept getting the "sorting..." message. Why does this take so long and is there anything I can do about it? I don't believe that it's the speed of the link or my computer (I'm running 14.4 with additional compression, on a 486/50 and the message texts aren't very long). Many thanks for any ideas, David From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 24 08:13:05 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00411; Thu, 24 Nov 94 08:13:05 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05805; Thu, 24 Nov 94 08:08:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05799; Thu, 24 Nov 94 08:08:02 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rAgOR-00000HC; Thu, 24 Nov 94 07:47 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Konstantin Yudayev Subject: Where can I get pine for DOS & Windows? Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 19:53:37 +0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello world! Can anybody tell me where can I get compiled pine (lates version) for DOS and MS Windows? Thank you, - Konstantin Yudayev +-------------------+-----------------------+-------------------------------+ | ChelyabInvestBank | roger@cinvest.chel.su | FIDOnet: 2:5010/3@fidonet.org | +-------------------+-----------------------+-------------------------------+ Don't trouble troubles until troubles trouble you! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 24 08:44:02 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00986; Thu, 24 Nov 94 08:44:02 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08654; Thu, 24 Nov 94 08:38:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ees1a0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08647; Thu, 24 Nov 94 08:38:08 -0800 Received: by ees1a0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1-940815-1) id AA16873; Thu, 24 Nov 94 11:38:01 EST Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 11:37:59 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Schlitt To: "R. Stewart Ellis" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: ...defeat posting prompt...my final word. In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII As we used to say around the cyclotron, "you can make it fool proof but you can't make it grad student proof". I suppose there is a cor0llary to this folk theorem about faculty members. For purely private e-mail communication between individuals one can generally get away with blindly replying and not looking at the headers. In the presence of mailinglists, net news, mailinglists gatewayed to newsgroups, etc. there is no way to prevent the careless from sending mail to people and places that they don't intend. There is simply no mechanical way to protect people from their inattention to detail. In the past I have discovered that when the Pine team has a well thought out rationale for the design behaviour of Pine then one must have an extremely good argument to get them to alter the behaviour of Pine. I disagree with some of the things that they do, like encoding pure ASCII attachments, but there is no benefit in continual argument about it. The current issue is clearly another case. If you don't like the behaviour of Pine then don't use it. If you want different behaviour go write your own MUA/news-reader. Bad mouth Pine to all your friends. Just stop this endless chatter on this mailinglist. Thanks. /dan -- Dan Schlitt School of Engineering Computer Systems dan@ee-mail.engr.ccny.cuny.edu City College of New York (212)650-6760 New York, NY 10031 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 24 10:48:15 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03481; Thu, 24 Nov 94 10:48:15 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10347; Thu, 24 Nov 94 10:43:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10341; Thu, 24 Nov 94 10:43:11 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rAimx-00000HC; Thu, 24 Nov 94 10:20 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: harris@email.unc.edu (Trey Harris) Subject: Re: 'Unknown host' on AIX system Date: 24 Nov 1994 16:20:13 GMT Message-Id: <3b2eft$1btq@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> References: <3ardpc$o50@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au> <3asbc3$s8k@nx2.hrz.uni-dortmund.de> In article <3asbc3$s8k@nx2.hrz.uni-dortmund.de>, Klaus Wacker wrote: >[Regarding OK MX and OK ALL for sending mail to AOL] > >I never understood the difference between the two, I use OK ALL and it >works. I also never understood why its not configured this way by >default. On our AIX machine (14,000 users, many of whom are sending to AOL) we use OK MX, which also works fine. But we had to discover the hard way after thousands of users got "aol.com: host unknown" messages. -- Trey Harris http://sunsite.unc.edu/harris --Stranger in a Strange Thread! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 24 11:44:11 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04558; Thu, 24 Nov 94 11:44:11 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08622; Thu, 24 Nov 94 11:38:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08616; Thu, 24 Nov 94 11:38:20 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rAjdr-00000HC; Thu, 24 Nov 94 11:15 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: weave@hopi.dtcc.edu (Ken Weaverling) Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? Date: 24 Nov 1994 11:58:51 -0500 Message-Id: <3b2gob$hgi@hopi.dtcc.edu> References: In article , David S. Eitelbach wrote: > >But as far as it being *in your mailbox* --you have to take that up >with the Pine people. (Lotsa luck!) They have a vision of news and >mail inexorably converging and have somehow tied comp.mail.pine to >your mailbox. I didn't do that. I merely POSTed an article to a >NEWSgroup requesting a default be set more conservatively. This newsgroup is gatewayed to the mailing list. That mailing list was around eons before the newsgroup. Some people don't have access to news and STILL get it via the mailing list. About a year ago, on the mailing list, we discussed the merits of proposing a news group. It was agreed that the group wouldn't be very useful unless it was gatewayed to the mailing list AND the folks at Washington would participate in it. Be thankful that we can get so close to people that actually develop this stuff, whether or not we agree. Wait until Microsoft gets involved in Internet software. Doesn't work right? Tough shit, it might be wrong, but it will be the "standard." -- Ken Weaverling weave@dtcc.edu |*| Wilmington: +1 302 573-5460 Manager of Computer Services |*| Stanton: +1 302 454-3978 Stanton/Wilmington Campuses of |*| WHOIS: KJW Delaware Technical & Community College |*| http://www.dtcc.edu/~weave From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 24 12:05:20 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04911; Thu, 24 Nov 94 12:05:20 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11309; Thu, 24 Nov 94 12:01:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11303; Thu, 24 Nov 94 12:01:11 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rAk16-00001CC; Thu, 24 Nov 94 11:39 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: weave@hopi.dtcc.edu (Ken Weaverling) Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? Date: 24 Nov 1994 12:18:12 -0500 Message-Id: <3b2hsk$hrc@hopi.dtcc.edu> References: <3b1usr$73g@hustle.rahul.net> Pine has altered my behaviour in a lot of respects -- for the better. I get a lot of questions in email from students and staff here. I set up a local newsgroup to answer these things. I get email, I strip out info identifying the user, I add the newsgroup line to the header, Bcc: the original user, and answer the question. The answer gets posted so everyone else can benefit from it. Almost all of our new users now use Pine to use mail AND read news. This is a tremendous win for us, via support. Only have to teach them one thing. As they get smarter and need more, they can graduate to trn, or whatever. Those of us who use stuff like trn (like I am now) should know better. We all have the sources to our newsreaders that are "broken" so it isn't too difficult to stop them from adding a newsgroup line to private replies. Sorry, but I changed my opinion on this. At first, I was pissed as hell by the behaviour of pine. But as I read this thread, and more importantly, seen how much pine has saved my department in support costs, I am DAMN happy it works like it does. The only suggestion I have is to change the question/response from a Y/N situation to something like. Where do you want your reply sent? Public news, Mail, Both, Cancel (PMB^C) That would catch people blindly hitting Y because something changed, and they can say "Oy, what's all this then mate?" and stop and read and think about what it is that is going on. -- Ken Weaverling weave@dtcc.edu |*| Wilmington: +1 302 573-5460 Manager of Computer Services |*| Stanton: +1 302 454-3978 Stanton/Wilmington Campuses of |*| WHOIS: KJW Delaware Technical & Community College |*| http://www.dtcc.edu/~weave From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 24 12:35:53 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05462; Thu, 24 Nov 94 12:35:53 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09166; Thu, 24 Nov 94 12:23:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09160; Thu, 24 Nov 94 12:23:24 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rAkLu-00001GC; Thu, 24 Nov 94 12:01 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: andrea@pX1.stfx.ca (John Andrea) Subject: suggestion Date: 24 Nov 1994 12:57:54 -0400 Message-Id: One feature that i would really like to see added to pine is an option when creating the sending address it would be nice at this point to be able to search the passwd file inorder to get a person's username optionally it would be more useful to be able to make a request to a ccso server (such as pi/qh model) to lookup a person -- __________________________________________________________________ John Andrea St. Francis Xavier Univ. University Computer Services Antigonish, NS, CANADA B2G 2W5 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 24 13:02:18 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05845; Thu, 24 Nov 94 13:02:18 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11920; Thu, 24 Nov 94 12:58:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11914; Thu, 24 Nov 94 12:58:30 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rAkt9-00001CC; Thu, 24 Nov 94 12:35 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: wacker@hertz.Physik.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Klaus Wacker) Subject: Re: 'Unknown host' on AIX system Date: 24 Nov 1994 20:02:25 GMT Message-Id: <3b2rgh$l5s@nx2.hrz.uni-dortmund.de> References: <3b2eft$1btq@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> Trey Harris (harris@email.unc.edu) wrote: > In article <3asbc3$s8k@nx2.hrz.uni-dortmund.de>, > Klaus Wacker wrote: > >[Regarding OK MX and OK ALL for sending mail to AOL] > > > >I never understood the difference between the two, I use OK ALL and it > >works. I also never understood why its not configured this way by > >default. > On our AIX machine (14,000 users, many of whom are sending to AOL) we > use OK MX, which also works fine. But we had to discover the hard way > after thousands of users got "aol.com: host unknown" messages. To avoid misunderstandings: the OK MX or OK ALL isn't just for AOL. You need it for any site which has some kind of central mail server configured. My email address is an example. -- | / | | | | | wacker@Physik.Uni-Dortmund.DE | / | _ __ | | | _ _ | _ _ Klaus Wacker, Exp.Physik V |/\ | _\ | | (_ | | | _\ / |_) /_) | Uni Dortmund | \_|_(_|_|_|___) |_|_|_(_|_\__| \_/\___| D-44221 Dortmund +49 (231) 755 3587 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 24 14:26:14 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07633; Thu, 24 Nov 94 14:26:14 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10681; Thu, 24 Nov 94 14:23:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10675; Thu, 24 Nov 94 14:23:47 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rAmF8-00000HC; Thu, 24 Nov 94 14:02 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hal9001@panix.com (Robert A. Rosenberg) Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? Date: Thu, 24 Nov 94 22:02:06 GMT Message-Id: References: In Article , "Steven D. Majewski" wrote: >Lacking any such standard, the best a current program ( like Pine ) can >do is to indicate to the user that this message MIGHT have been a public >posting, and ask the user what he wants to do about it. It is certainly >not the program's fault if the message is ambiguous or if the user >guesses wrong. If I send an Email via the Reply-via-Email Option, the News Agent KNOWS this is an Email Reply and can state this in a header. If I use Cc in an Article Post, again it KNOWS this and can set a Header in the Emailed copy to document this. I fail to see how the News Agent can be confused about the also-posted or not-also-posted status of an Email Message it is being asked to send. Fixing this should then help Pine since it is not getting mixed signals as to the status of an incoming Email Message. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 24 14:26:40 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07665; Thu, 24 Nov 94 14:26:40 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13038; Thu, 24 Nov 94 14:23:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13032; Thu, 24 Nov 94 14:23:50 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rAmFD-00001CC; Thu, 24 Nov 94 14:02 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hal9001@panix.com (Robert A. Rosenberg) Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? Date: Thu, 24 Nov 94 22:02:09 GMT Message-Id: References: <3al8kr$nm1@news.halcyon.com> <3assle$ijc@hustle.rahul.net> <3b0fcl$6uq@news.halcyon.com> In Article <3b0fcl$6uq@news.halcyon.com>, Nancy McGough wrote: >hurtta@dionysos.Fmi.FI (Kari E. Hurtta) writes: >>Rahula As we have already discussed, the 'dual postihng/reply' is presumptuous >>Rahula and confusing and should not be used. > >>Well. Dual post/reply is also possible in nn and GNUS. > >NN does not really simultaneously post and mail a message. >After composing a followup you are asked for email addresses >to cc. The mail message has a different Message-ID than the >news article; and you can set up your aux script to put in >extra info (my aux script adds a line at the top of the body >that says the message is a copy of one I posted to >newsgroup). I think this sequence qualifies as a dual posting/reply since the same text creation is used to generate that Post and the Email'ed Reply. It is not the same as my creating/uploading the Text once to do the post and a second time to do the Email. I supply the text once and then I am run though the Email and the Posting paths to supply the information on where to send it. The aux script appending the indicia to the message is an alternative to this being documented in the Email and News Headers via currently nonexistent/non-RFCed Headers. The generation of separate Message-IDs for the News and Email versions is acceptable since due to the modification of the Email Text, they are not the same message (NN just gave you a fast path method of recycling the Post text to become the Email text and logically it acted as if you have sent the text as two separate operations). From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 24 14:36:17 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07809; Thu, 24 Nov 94 14:36:17 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10794; Thu, 24 Nov 94 14:33:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10788; Thu, 24 Nov 94 14:33:42 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rAmNT-00001DC; Thu, 24 Nov 94 14:10 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? Date: 24 Nov 1994 22:05:55 GMT Message-Id: <3b32o3$hrc@hustle.rahul.net> References: <3b2gob$hgi@hopi.dtcc.edu> In <3b2gob$hgi@hopi.dtcc.edu> weave@hopi.dtcc.edu (Ken Weaverling) writes: >Be thankful that we can get so close to people that actually develop this >stuff, whether or not we agree. Agreed. The pine folks sometimes seem to be not listening, but I believe they are listening very intently. Pine's elegance as a mail user agent could not have happened in a vacuum. The problem with gatewaying News to email usually arises because the email and News models are so dissimilar. Email software is generally designed -- with good reason -- to ensure that the user sees every message, and no message is deleted without careful consideration. News software is generally designed -- with good reason -- to ensure that the user sees no more than he explicitly wishes to, and that he finds it easy to skip entire discussion threads, all postings from selected people, etc. The gatewaying leads to a serious conflict between the models. Usually it's the people who read via email who find it hard to cope. They are seeing too much. Their email software is doing its job -- but it's the wrong job. -- Rahul Dhesi From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 24 15:07:01 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08294; Thu, 24 Nov 94 15:07:01 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13356; Thu, 24 Nov 94 14:53:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13350; Thu, 24 Nov 94 14:53:45 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rAmhX-00001CC; Thu, 24 Nov 94 14:31 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: ...defeat posting prompt...my final word. Date: 24 Nov 1994 22:21:45 GMT Message-Id: <3b33lp$iq2@hustle.rahul.net> References: In dan@ees1a0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (Dan Schlitt) writes: >If you don't like the behaviour of Pine then don't use it. If you want >different behaviour go write your own MUA/news-reader. Bad mouth Pine to >all your friends. Just stop this endless chatter on this mailinglist. Heh. It's rare that I find a short paragraph with four short sentences in which each sentence needs a rebuttal. >If you don't like the behaviour of Pine then don't use it. I think pine is a work of genius. At this site it is the preferred mail reader for most new users and many experienced users. The only reason I don't use it is because I need much more modelessness than pine can give me, and because I handle more email in a day than most people do in a month. (Really.) I use MH. >If you want >different behaviour go write your own MUA/news-reader. Won't work. I don't think I could do as good a job. It would be impossible to convince pine users to switch. They like pine too much. And for good reason. >Bad mouth Pine to all your friends. Why? I recommend pine to all new users. >Just stop this endless chatter on this mailinglist. This is a Usenet newsgroup as I see it. Please see a previous posting from me about the conflict between Usenet and email models that occurs when a newsgroup and mailing list are gatewayed. Usually it's the people who read the email who complain about seeing too much. -- Rahul Dhesi From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 24 16:02:47 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09031; Thu, 24 Nov 94 16:02:47 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11763; Thu, 24 Nov 94 15:58:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11757; Thu, 24 Nov 94 15:58:54 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rAnhq-00001DC; Thu, 24 Nov 94 15:36 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: davebeam@interaccess.com (David R. Beam) Subject: corrupted mail box Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 09:48:34 -0600 Message-Id: My wife has had trouble with her mail box being corrupted basically every time she opens it (using Pine). Necessary fix seems to be using an editor to get down to a line that begins with "From..." But, why does this happen so often? I don't think it is anything she is doing, but the sysop doesn't seem to know what is happening, either. Help appreciated. DRB From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 24 16:59:19 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09804; Thu, 24 Nov 94 16:59:19 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14613; Thu, 24 Nov 94 16:54:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from hp.fciencias.unam.mx by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14609; Thu, 24 Nov 94 16:54:32 -0800 Message-Id: <9411250054.AA14609@mx1.cac.washington.edu> Received: by hp.fciencias.unam.mx (16.6/16.2) id AA22972; Thu, 24 Nov 94 18:53:05 -0700 Date: Thu, 24 Nov 94 18:53:05 -0700 From: Adriana Carolina Flores Diaz Procedencia: Centro de Computo Edificio O, Planta Baja Facultad de Ciencias, UNAM To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Unsuscribe Please help me to unsubscribe me!!! Thanks for all. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 24 18:08:11 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11311; Thu, 24 Nov 94 18:08:11 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15521; Thu, 24 Nov 94 18:04:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15511; Thu, 24 Nov 94 18:04:05 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Fri, 25 Nov 94 10:00:35 -0800 Date: Fri, 25 Nov 1994 10:00:35 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Adriana Carolina Flores Diaz Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Unsuscribe In-Reply-To: <9411250054.AA14609@mx1.cac.washington.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 24 Nov 1994, Adriana Carolina Flores Diaz wrote: > Please help me to unsubscribe me!!! > Thanks for all. Have you sent a message to pine-info-request@cac.washington.edu ?? Also, remember (I forgot...) it is holiday time in the USA and it may take a few days for action to be taken on your request. Plus... I hear the pine team is busy waging war....trying to defeat some sort of prompt..... :-) :-) Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 24 21:17:59 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14323; Thu, 24 Nov 94 21:17:59 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17726; Thu, 24 Nov 94 21:14:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17720; Thu, 24 Nov 94 21:14:36 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rAsgC-00000HC; Thu, 24 Nov 94 20:54 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: donjprat@mailbox.syr.edu () Subject: Configure Fcc: in Pine? Date: 25 Nov 1994 04:59:54 GMT Message-Id: <3b3r0a$h8g@newstand.syr.edu> Hello, Does anyone know if there is a way to configure Pine so that when I send mail it brings up a customized header? In particular, I would like to include a blank Fcc: line in the mail header AND turn off Pine's default feature of copying all outgoing messages to the sentmail folder. Any help would be much appreciated. djp .--------------------------------------------------------------------. | Donald J. Pratt * Syracuse University * donjprat@syr.edu | | Graduate Student * Sociology Department * 315/472-5968 | `--------------------------------------------------------------------' From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 24 21:24:04 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14435; Thu, 24 Nov 94 21:24:04 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15526; Thu, 24 Nov 94 21:19:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15520; Thu, 24 Nov 94 21:19:26 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rAsi7-00001IC; Thu, 24 Nov 94 20:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: J.S.Peatfield@amtp.cam.ac.uk (Jon Peatfield) Subject: Re: Headers, domains and pine (and a solution) Date: 25 Nov 1994 04:56:28 GMT Message-Id: References: In-Reply-To: J.S.Peatfield@amtp.cam.ac.uk's message of 25 Nov 1994 04:46:05 GMT Much as I hate following up my own postings, I just did a couple of extra checks. In fact the last version I built was 3.88 not 3.89 as I stated. Certainly setting the userdomain to "@" didn't work back in 3.88 it results in mail being sent to userA@@ which is clearly silly. So the obvious question is when was this useful feature added (and why wasn't it given more publicity), and can I rely on it being maintained for the forseeable future? -- Jon -- Jon Peatfield, Computer Officer, the DAMTP, University of Cambridge Telephone: (+44 223) 3-37852 Mail: J.S.Peatfield@damtp.cam.ac.uk Monotype Fonts. Get 'em while they're 'ot -- onna stick. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Nov 24 21:26:18 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14477; Thu, 24 Nov 94 21:26:18 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15453; Thu, 24 Nov 94 21:11:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15447; Thu, 24 Nov 94 21:11:44 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rAsYF-00001GC; Thu, 24 Nov 94 20:46 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: J.S.Peatfield@amtp.cam.ac.uk (Jon Peatfield) Subject: Headers, domains and pine (and a solution) Date: 25 Nov 1994 04:46:05 GMT Message-Id: Last time I built pine (3.89) I read through all the docs and decided that I couldn't have the From: and To: headers set the way that I want for local users. What I wanted was for pine to leave the totally alone and let our MTA (sendmail/smail) rewrite them if they were leaving the site. That is I wanted pine to leave the headers just as I typed them in and to generate a From: header with just the login name on it. (After all this is what most other MUAs do.) I couldn't find a way to do this so I settled for setting the userdomain to our site domain name. This means that fro pien users even internal mail is to userA@site and from userB@site rather to userA and from userB. Well I started looking at 3.91 recently (just after it came out in fact), and it appeared that the same was true. Can someone please explain to me why pine should get involved in setting the domain part of addresses which can be correctly handled in the MTA? Looking through the code I find that the addresses are passed round as ADDRESS structures which get converted to strings by the c-client routine rfc822_write_address(), which in turn calls rfc822_address(). In here I find that setting the domain (via userdomain or whatever) to "@" has the desired effect, though it is marked as: > if (*adr->host != '@') { /* unless null host (HIGHLY discouraged!) */ > strcat (dest,"@"); /* host delimiter */ > strcat (dest,adr->host); /* write host name */ > } This is the only mention of "@" as a domain that I'd seen anywhere in the source or documentation, yet it is about the most useful default setting that I can imagine in situations where you are talking through an MTA which will perform the expansion if needed. Can I suggest that the use of "@" as a userdomain to achieve this effect be added to the documentation, or that someone point me at where it is documented if I totally missed where it is mentioned. Can I rely on this feature remaining in future versions of pine? -- Jon Peatfield (postmaster@amtp.cam.ac.uk) -- Jon Peatfield, Computer Officer, the DAMTP, University of Cambridge Telephone: (+44 223) 3-37852 Mail: J.S.Peatfield@damtp.cam.ac.uk Monotype Fonts. Get 'em while they're 'ot -- onna stick. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 25 01:15:04 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18875; Fri, 25 Nov 94 01:15:04 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20676; Fri, 25 Nov 94 01:09:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tucana.dur.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20666; Fri, 25 Nov 94 01:09:12 -0800 Received: from venus.dur.ac.uk by tucana with SMTP (PP); Fri, 25 Nov 1994 09:07:08 +0000 Received: from hercules (hercules.dur.ac.uk) by venus.dur.ac.uk; Fri, 25 Nov 94 09:06:54 GMT Date: Fri, 25 Nov 1994 09:06:46 +0000 (GMT) From: Barry Cornelius To: Ken Weaverling Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? In-Reply-To: <3b2hsk$hrc@hopi.dtcc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 3672 I have to endorse the comments given below by Ken Weaverling. Much of what he says for Delaware Technical & Community College is equally applicable here. One of the points he makes concerns the prompt: Post follow-up message to news group(s)? He says: > The only suggestion I have is to change the question/response from a > Y/N situation to something like [the following prompt]. > Where do you want your reply sent? Public news, Mail, Both, Cancel (PMB^C) At Durham, we have a hacked local version of Pine 3.91 in which the prompt has been changed to: Press Y to follow-up message to newsgroup(s) or N to reply to sender? I know this is awful, but it is the minimum change that gives more guidance to the user. It was Terry Ratcliffe (University of Newcastle, UK) who suggested to me that the text of the prompt needed changing. My view was to use letters other than Y and N. So, I sent the following comment to pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu on September 17th: > ... I would suggest responses other than Y or N, > e.g., given the prompt "Followup to newsgroups or Reply to author?", > F leads to "Newsgrps: aaaa" and R leads to "To: Joe.Sender". Later, Terry Gray replied saying: > We also weren't sure in this case whether to go > with a three-state prompt and allow "both". So I would now like the prompt to be: Reply to author, Follow-up to newsgroup(s), or Both? and the options in the two line menu at the bottom give the possible responses as ^C Cancel, R Reply, F Follow-up and B Both. On 24 Nov 1994, Ken Weaverling wrote: > Pine has altered my behaviour in a lot of respects -- for the better. I > get a lot of questions in email from students and staff here. I set up a > local newsgroup to answer these things. I get email, I strip out info > identifying the user, I add the newsgroup line to the header, Bcc: the > original user, and answer the question. The answer gets posted so > everyone else can benefit from it. > > Almost all of our new users now use Pine to use mail AND read news. This > is a tremendous win for us, via support. Only have to teach them one > thing. As they get smarter and need more, they can graduate to trn, or > whatever. Those of us who use stuff like trn (like I am now) should know > better. We all have the sources to our newsreaders that are "broken" so > it isn't too difficult to stop them from adding a newsgroup line to > private replies. > > Sorry, but I changed my opinion on this. At first, I was pissed as hell > by the behaviour of pine. But as I read this thread, and more importantly, > seen how much pine has saved my department in support costs, I am DAMN > happy it works like it does. > > The only suggestion I have is to change the question/response from a > Y/N situation to something like. > > Where do you want your reply sent? Public news, Mail, Both, Cancel (PMB^C) > > That would catch people blindly hitting Y because something changed, and > they can say "Oy, what's all this then mate?" and stop and read and think > about what it is that is going on. > > -- > Ken Weaverling weave@dtcc.edu |*| Wilmington: +1 302 573-5460 > Manager of Computer Services |*| Stanton: +1 302 454-3978 > Stanton/Wilmington Campuses of |*| WHOIS: KJW > Delaware Technical & Community College |*| http://www.dtcc.edu/~weave -- Barry Cornelius Telephone: (0191 or +44 191) 374 4717 Academic Support Group, IT Service, IT Service Office: 374 2892 Science Site, University of Durham, Fax: 374 3741 Durham, DH1 3LE, UK E-mail: Barry.Cornelius@durham.ac.uk From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 25 01:33:12 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19419; Fri, 25 Nov 94 01:33:12 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20994; Fri, 25 Nov 94 01:30:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20979; Fri, 25 Nov 94 01:30:12 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rAwdV-00000MC; Fri, 25 Nov 94 01:08 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: merat@uni2a.unige.ch (Roger Merat) Subject: pine GUI ? Message-Id: <1994Nov25.094929.1@ugun2a> Date: Fri, 25 Nov 1994 07:49:29 GMT When one looks at pine on a Unix workstation, the first impression is often negative because a User Agent should have a graphic user interface on systems that support graphic. Is there a good reason not to develop a GUI for pine (not to replace, but in addition to the current full screen interface) ? If not, is someone working on a pine GUI ? Roger Merat merat@uni2a.unige.ch University of Geneva c=ch/admd=arcom/prmd=switch/o=unige/ou=uni2a/s=merat Switzerland tel: +4122/7057691 fax: +4122/3202927 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 25 02:02:12 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19932; Fri, 25 Nov 94 02:02:12 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18596; Fri, 25 Nov 94 01:57:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18590; Fri, 25 Nov 94 01:57:25 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rAx12-00000HC; Fri, 25 Nov 94 01:32 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: fxars@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu Subject: Re: help on setup aliases Date: 25 Nov 1994 10:14:46 GMT Message-Id: References: <3aegvq$c0d@senior.nectec.or.th> In-Reply-To: u3616199@abac.au.ac.th's message of 17 Nov 1994 03:00:10 GMT >>>>> "Y" == Ye Tun writes: Y> : XJ If you are root, then put that list inside the aliases Y> file. otherwise, make the .forward file in one account and put Y> all those name, and mail to that account. Y> Anyone with better idea? I don't have a better idea, but if you are going to create another account, you'll probably need root anyway. === Al From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 25 02:34:06 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20381; Fri, 25 Nov 94 02:34:06 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21659; Fri, 25 Nov 94 02:30:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21653; Fri, 25 Nov 94 02:30:24 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rAxcs-00000HC; Fri, 25 Nov 94 02:11 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: vsk@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_DOMAIN_FILE (Ville S.Kemppinen) Subject: HELP! How to access POP? Date: 25 Nov 1994 10:06:03 GMT Message-Id: <3b4cub$gfa@idefix.eunet.fi> Situation: My users have POP mail acces to a server. We need to connect that server with pine. Now the problem is, that the server we are trying to connect does not support rsh connections but it wants to have imap(d) connection. The server is running Imapd (can't remember the version number, but it is a Bis-version). How to configure pine to make imap connections instead of rsh ? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 25 03:17:27 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21370; Fri, 25 Nov 94 03:17:27 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19491; Fri, 25 Nov 94 03:12:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19485; Fri, 25 Nov 94 03:12:28 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rAyEn-00000HC; Fri, 25 Nov 94 02:50 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Roy Magne Indreboe Subject: signature and pine Date: Fri, 25 Nov 1994 11:33:50 +0100 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII When I choose to reply to someone, using pine, my signature is placed on top. Is the some way to force the signature to be placed at the bottom. I would like to think that it's prefered to have the message you want to answer on top, then your comments, and at last, your signature. Thanks in advance! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Name: Roy Magne Indreboe - e-mail: roy.m.indrebo@hiMolde.no IRC: PigOnWing - Mail: Bergveien 2, 6400 MOLDE, NORWAY - Phone:71254934 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 25 03:24:55 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21580; Fri, 25 Nov 94 03:24:55 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22271; Fri, 25 Nov 94 03:20:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22265; Fri, 25 Nov 94 03:20:32 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rAyMQ-00002aC; Fri, 25 Nov 94 02:58 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: qq11@liverpool.ac.uk (Alan Thew) Subject: imapd too strict? Message-Id: Date: Fri, 25 Nov 1994 10:56:45 GMT We have found that the imapd which comes with pine 3.89 and 3.91 seems rather strict about the Unix mailbox format. Maybe elm 2.4.23 is too lax but it reads mailboxs without any trouble where imapd thinks that the mailbox is one single mail item. I've checked the tech notes without any success. Has anyone else seen this sort of problem and does anyone have any ideas? These Unix style folders were created from IBM VM/CMS notebooks after much testing to make sure they conformed. Thanks. -- Alan Thew alan.thew@liv.ac.uk ...!uknet!liv!alan.thew Tel: +44 51 794-3735 University of Liverpool, Computing Services Fax: +44 51 794-3759 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 25 06:35:52 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25571; Fri, 25 Nov 94 06:35:52 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24573; Fri, 25 Nov 94 06:29:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from alpha.Teleglobe.CA by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24567; Fri, 25 Nov 94 06:29:54 -0800 Received: from prt.Teleglobe.CA by alpha.Teleglobe.CA with SMTP (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA12397; Fri, 25 Nov 1994 09:28:44 -0500 Date: Fri, 25 Nov 1994 09:28:34 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Thibaudeau To: donjprat@mailbox.syr.edu Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Configure Fcc: in Pine? X-Sender: prt@alpha.teleglobe.ca In-Reply-To: <3b3r0a$h8g@newstand.syr.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 25 Nov 1994 donjprat@mailbox.syr.edu wrote: > Hello, > > Does anyone know if there is a way to configure Pine so that when I > send mail it brings up a customized header? In particular, I would > like to include a blank Fcc: line in the mail header AND turn off > Pine's default feature of copying all outgoing messages to the > sentmail folder. Any help would be much appreciated. > > djp > > .--------------------------------------------------------------------. > | Donald J. Pratt * Syracuse University * donjprat@syr.edu | > | Graduate Student * Sociology Department * 315/472-5968 | > `--------------------------------------------------------------------' > > If you are using Pine 3.90 or later, from the Main menu you simply Setup-Configure. There, you will find three options in relation with your question: default-fcc default-composers-hdrs fcc-name-rule For more information on any option, move the cursor on the option and hit "?" for Help. In addition, if default-composers-hdrs is left blank, the Fcc: header is still there, but hidden. While in the composer, in the header part of the message, hit R to see the full header. Earlier versions of Pine also have these features, but you have to edit the .pinerc file manually. Good luck. -- Pierre Thibaudeau | e-mail: TELEGLOBE CANADA | 1000, rue de La Gauchetiere ouest | Tel: +1-514-868-7538 Montreal, Qc H3B 4X5 | Canada | fax: +1-514-868-7257 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 25 06:40:24 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25651; Fri, 25 Nov 94 06:40:24 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24596; Fri, 25 Nov 94 06:30:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from alpha.Teleglobe.CA by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24590; Fri, 25 Nov 94 06:30:49 -0800 Received: from prt.Teleglobe.CA by alpha.Teleglobe.CA with SMTP (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA12404; Fri, 25 Nov 1994 09:30:50 -0500 Date: Fri, 25 Nov 1994 09:30:40 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Thibaudeau To: Roy Magne Indreboe Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: signature and pine X-Sender: prt@alpha.teleglobe.ca In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 25 Nov 1994, Roy Magne Indreboe wrote: > When I choose to reply to someone, using pine, my signature is placed on top. > Is the some way to force the signature to be placed at the bottom. > I would like to think that it's prefered to have the message you want to > answer on top, then your comments, and at last, your signature. > > Thanks in advance! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Name: Roy Magne Indreboe - e-mail: roy.m.indrebo@hiMolde.no > IRC: PigOnWing - Mail: Bergveien 2, 6400 MOLDE, NORWAY - Phone:71254934 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > This is what I do by setting the "signature-at-bottom" in Setup-Configure from the Main menu. -- Pierre Thibaudeau | e-mail: TELEGLOBE CANADA | 1000, rue de La Gauchetiere ouest | Tel: +1-514-868-7538 Montreal, Qc H3B 4X5 | Canada | fax: +1-514-868-7257 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 25 07:21:57 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26309; Fri, 25 Nov 94 07:21:57 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22428; Fri, 25 Nov 94 07:16:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22422; Fri, 25 Nov 94 07:16:10 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rB23D-00000HC; Fri, 25 Nov 94 06:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: wacker@kant.Physik.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Klaus Wacker) Subject: Pine too strict with Mime errors? Date: 25 Nov 1994 14:42:03 GMT Message-Id: <3b4t3r$hhv@nx2.hrz.uni-dortmund.de> I received an email message which contained the following 3 header lines (without the '- ' in front, of course): - Mime-Version: 1.0 - Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 - Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The body of the message contained the following line (a header line from a quoted message, but thats beside the point): > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII When I look at this message with pine 3.91, I get at this point: > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charsetFormatting error: Non-hexadecimal character in QP encoding [Error: ] "" And the rest of the message is not shown. Pine is of course right - there is an error. The header said quoted-printable encoding, but the text wasn't. The =US is the offending part. The error is obviously on the side of the originator of the message, and I told him so. I would suggest however that pine should be more lenient with this kind of errors and go on to display the rest of the message. -- | / | | | | | wacker@Physik.Uni-Dortmund.DE | / | _ __ | | | _ _ | _ _ Klaus Wacker, Exp.Physik V |/\ | _\ | | (_ | | | _\ / |_) /_) | Uni Dortmund | \_|_(_|_|_|___) |_|_|_(_|_\__| \_/\___| D-44221 Dortmund +49 (231) 755 3587 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 25 09:30:38 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28629; Fri, 25 Nov 94 09:30:38 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26708; Fri, 25 Nov 94 09:24:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26702; Fri, 25 Nov 94 09:24:58 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rB41G-00000HC; Fri, 25 Nov 94 09:01 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lucio@ifctr.mi.cnr.it (Lucio Chiappetti) Subject: Re: pine GUI ? Date: 25 Nov 1994 10:24:25 -0600 Message-Id: <9411251630.AA10560@poseidon.ifctr.mi.cnr.it> References: <1994Nov25.094929.1@ugun2a> In article <1994Nov25.094929.1@ugun2a>, merat@uni2a.unige.ch (Roger Merat) write: |> When one looks at pine on a Unix workstation, the first impression is often |> negative because a User Agent should have a graphic user interface on systems |> that support graphic. |> I do not agree. When I had to relinquish my earlier mail system (Rice Mail on an IBM VM mainframe) because the IBM was going to be discontinued (I was continuing to use it JUST for mail even if I had a work- station on my desk since two years), I looked into various possibilities, and I found those based on GUIs unbearable (I tried Ultrix dxmail and Sun's mailtool; also VMS GUI for mail is worse than line mode VMSMail, although slightly better than the Unix GUIs). I believe that one of the greatest advantages of Pine (particularly but not necessarily if used in conjunction with imapd) is that you can use the SAME interface from the workstation, from a PC, from a local or remote terminal (you do not need to use dreadful /usr/ucb/mail when you are logged in from elsewhere !) It is always possible (as we do here) to run Pine in a separate dxterm or xterm window. Long live Pine -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- A member of G.ASS : Group for Astronomical Software Support ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lucio Chiappetti - IFCTR/CNR | Ma te' vugl' da' quost avis a ti' Orsign via Bassini 15 - I-20133 Milano | Buttet rabios intant te se' pisnign Internet: LUCIO@IFCTR.MI.CNR.IT | Decnet: IFCTR::LUCIO | (Rabisch, II 46, 119-120) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 25 09:33:54 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28757; Fri, 25 Nov 94 09:33:54 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24124; Fri, 25 Nov 94 09:31:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24118; Fri, 25 Nov 94 09:31:15 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rB4BN-00000MC; Fri, 25 Nov 94 09:11 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Brad Subject: Mailing and Posting a Reply (NOT anything to do with the posting prompt thing!) Date: Fri, 25 Nov 1994 16:01:33 +0000 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is there any way to get a reply to a news post to be posted to the news group *and* mailed to the poster of the news article without adding one or other to the header yourself? Pine asks if you want to post to the news group. If you answer yes, it posts to the news group; if you answer no, it mails the poster. But it never does both... Does it? Thanks! --Simon. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 25 09:43:41 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29006; Fri, 25 Nov 94 09:43:41 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24265; Fri, 25 Nov 94 09:39:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from freenet.edmonton.ab.ca by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24259; Fri, 25 Nov 94 09:39:14 -0800 Received: by freenet.edmonton.ab.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/FEAC1.002) id AA31077; Fri, 25 Nov 1994 10:31:03 -0700 Date: Fri, 25 Nov 1994 10:31:03 -0700 (MST) From: Dieter Simader To: "Jeno M. Bratts" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: PCPine: Windows WinSock version In-Reply-To: <3b09rb$12ra@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII You can set the time zone with the TZ environment variable. set TZ=ZZZ[+H]H[:MM:SSTTT] everything in [] is optional ZZZ = time zone +H = offset from GMT TTT = daylight savings time the default is PST-8PDT i.e to set to EST set TZ=EST-5EDT cac.washington.edu has a file tech-notes which explains all this. On 23 Nov 1994, Jeno M. Bratts wrote: > Anybody out there know if one can set the correct TimeZone for > Pine? The clients at my site are using -0800 PST by default; > we need it to reset it to: -0500 EST. > > Thanks for any help... > > email: jeno@sophia.sph.unc.edu > jbratts.sph2@mhs.unc.edu > -- Dieter Simader dsimader@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 25 09:59:13 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29304; Fri, 25 Nov 94 09:59:13 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27121; Fri, 25 Nov 94 09:55:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27115; Fri, 25 Nov 94 09:55:15 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rB4Vk-00000HC; Fri, 25 Nov 94 09:32 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Brad Subject: Rogue Messages When Empty News Group Date: Fri, 25 Nov 1994 16:14:02 +0000 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I sometimes get the following messages when tab'ing through news groups and the final news group is empty and there are no messages to unexclude (i.e. the news group has been empty long enough for all posts in it to be expunged from the news server), after pressing enter at the "Return to inbox" prompt. As soon as an article does appear in the news group, even after it has been read, these messages disappear. Is this a bug? I don't think I should get these messages under these circumstances (the group is in my .newsrc file). No state for newsgroup found, reading as new Newsgroup is empty :::::::: ::::::::::: :::: :::: :::::::: :::: ::: ::: :+: :+: :+: :+:+: :+:+: :+: :+: :+:+: :+: :+: +:+ +:+ +:+ +:+:+ +:+ +:+ +:+ :+:+:+ +:+ +:+ +#++:++# +#+ +#+ +:+ +#+ +#+ +:+ +#+ +:+ +#+ +#+ +#+ +#+ +#+ +#+ +#+ +#+ +#+ +#+#+# +#+ #+# #+# #+# #+# #+# #+# #+# #+# #+#+# ######## ########### ### ### ######## ### #### ### From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 25 11:07:44 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00719; Fri, 25 Nov 94 11:07:44 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25357; Fri, 25 Nov 94 11:00:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from hp.fciencias.unam.mx by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25353; Fri, 25 Nov 94 11:00:19 -0800 Message-Id: <9411251900.AA25353@mx2.cac.washington.edu> Received: by hp.fciencias.unam.mx (16.6/16.2) id AA26866; Fri, 25 Nov 94 12:58:51 -0700 Date: Fri, 25 Nov 94 12:58:51 -0700 From: Adriana Carolina Flores Diaz Procedencia: Centro de Computo Edificio O, Planta Baja Facultad de Ciencias, UNAM To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu unsubscribe pine-info acfd@hp.fciencias.unam.mx From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 25 11:43:57 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01306; Fri, 25 Nov 94 11:43:57 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25788; Fri, 25 Nov 94 11:34:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25782; Fri, 25 Nov 94 11:34:17 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rB64X-00001IC; Fri, 25 Nov 94 11:12 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: J.M.L.Gorbold@bradford.ac.uk (Divine Intervention) Subject: pine and Date: 25 Nov 1994 18:19:53 GMT Message-Id: <3b59s9$f5t@columbia.acc.brad.ac.uk> does anyone know how i can write letters in pine using the pound sterling sign because whenever i do it asks me whether i want to emergency exit. cheers divine intervention From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 25 14:54:20 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04698; Fri, 25 Nov 94 14:54:20 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00430; Fri, 25 Nov 94 14:19:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00424; Fri, 25 Nov 94 14:19:25 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rB8ZK-00001DC; Fri, 25 Nov 94 13:52 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dseitel@crl.com (David S. Eitelbach) Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? Date: 25 Nov 1994 13:49:09 -0800 Message-Id: <3b5m4l$mll@crl9.crl.com> References: > On 23 Nov 1994, David S. Eitelbach wrote: > > I don't want to make it so I can't post (although you may :), > > but rather, I want to prevent others from being able to publicly > > post my private email to them. How can this be accomplished? Mark Crispin wrote: > You are asking for the impossible. It has seemed a Sisyphean task. > Anyone can post any data to which they have physical access. > There is nothing that Pine can do to prevent it, since the user > could post without using Pine! You skew my meaning, which since you are a smart man, I assume you did maliciously. Pine 3.89 did not have the problem. I still think the new version doesn't need to have it. I seem not to be alone in this. > If you don't want a message posted, do the following: > 1) Make sure your messages don't have a "Newsgroups:" header unless they > are going to news. If you use Pine, this is done for you. So, > consider using Pine instead of Tin to read news. I have tried this and IT WORKS! I sincerely thank you for pointing this out (50-100 posts into the topic). I will do this, since some at Pine are blinkered and will not accommodate. > 2) If you send a private reply to a news posting, and you are concerned > about it becoming private, say something like: ``This is a private > response, please don't post it.'' at the start of your message. > I do both. There are frequently instances in which I need to make an > ``off the record'' response to someone with information that is not public > knowledge. I'm glad this works for you. It probably won't for me as in my scenario we are talking about people who aren't reading the Pine prompts in the first place. They're probably not going to read my cautions either. But otherwise it is also a good suggestion. Again, I sincerely thank you for providing a workaround. David S. Eitelbach dseitel@crl.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 25 19:04:17 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08856; Fri, 25 Nov 94 19:04:17 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00690; Fri, 25 Nov 94 18:19:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00684; Fri, 25 Nov 94 18:19:47 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rBCNT-00000MC; Fri, 25 Nov 94 17:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jasonh@chineham.euro.csg.mot.com (Jason Haar) Subject: How to stop pine generating a From: header? Date: 22 Nov 1994 08:38:31 GMT Message-Id: Hi, I've spent a lot of time setting up sendmail to work correctly (including generating reverse-aliases), but pine creates it's own From: header. Sendmail then leaves it alone - which means I lose the reverse-alias remapping :-( How much of a task is it to stop pine generating it's own From line? -- Cheers, Jason +------------------------------+------------------------------------------+ | Jason Haar, European SysAdmin Phone: + 44 (256) 790111 | | Motorola Cellular Subscriber Fax: + 44 (256) 790519 | | Basingstoke, Hampshire | | RG21 1PL, ENGLAND Internet: jasonh@chineham.euro.csg.mot.com | +------------------------------+------------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 25 19:19:46 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09141; Fri, 25 Nov 94 19:19:46 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03907; Fri, 25 Nov 94 19:13:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03901; Fri, 25 Nov 94 19:13:14 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rBDAd-00001JC; Fri, 25 Nov 94 18:47 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pjh@tecoma.mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) Subject: Re: Getting Rid Of PICO??? Message-Id: Date: Sat, 26 Nov 1994 02:46:07 GMT References: In article , R. Stewart Ellis wrote: =pjh@tecoma.mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) writes: = = >I would like to use a different editor from PICO while using Pine. = >Setting editor= in the pine.conf and/or .pinerc does not do it. = = >What does? = = >Thanks. = =I want jove, which is set as my $EDITOR, so I have the following lines in =~/.pinerc: = =# List of features; see Pine's Setup/options menu for the current set. =# e.g. feature-list= select-without-confirm, signature-at-bottom =# Default condition for all of the features is no-. =feature-list=old-growth, = signature-at-bottom, = enable-alternate-editor-implicitly What is this, COBOL? ;-) =I then have: = =editor=$EDITOR = =in the ~/.pinerc, in case I change my mind to use JED or emacs or joe. = =Whenever I page down from the headers it autoloads the editor. NEAT! What version of pine, Stew? It didn't work in 3.89. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Nov 25 21:35:41 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11525; Fri, 25 Nov 94 21:35:41 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05357; Fri, 25 Nov 94 21:28:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05351; Fri, 25 Nov 94 21:28:33 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rBFFx-00001GC; Fri, 25 Nov 94 21:01 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ag786@yfn.ysu.edu (Barry Bouwsma) Subject: Re: pine and Date: 26 Nov 1994 04:58:34 GMT Message-Id: <3b6f9q$5le@news.ysu.edu> References: <3b59s9$f5t@columbia.acc.brad.ac.uk> In a previous article, J.M.L.Gorbold@bradford.ac.uk (Divine Intervention) says: >does anyone know how i can write letters in pine using the pound sterling >sign because whenever i do it asks me whether i want to emergency exit. First, you should set up Pine to indicate that the ISO-8859-1 character set is being used, else the messages will not be tagged properly for display. (There are other character set standards which include the Pound Sterling, but the ISO-8859-1 is most widely used.) In some environments, this is needed before Pine will accept any 8 bit characters for text input. The Emergency Exit prompt you are seeing is caused by Pine seeing the control-\ (^\) character. So, apparently, however you are creating your Pound Sterling character is either generating ^\ as a control character, or maybe ^\ with bit 8 turned on (not sure about whether this second possibility is also interpreted as emergency exit, however, if your 8-bit characters are being stripped to 7 bits, this would also be possible). The Pound Sterling character is an 8 bit character equivalent to the US-ASCII character ``#'' (pound sign, octothorpe, whatever), but with bit 8 turned on, when using the ISO-8859-1 (ISO Latin-1) character set. You may have to somehow configure the communications program you use to properly generate this character -- apparently you are getting the ^\ character instead. When your character set used in Pine is properly configured, and the communications program you use generates codes corresponding to the character set you select, you should have no difficulty generating the Pound Sterling within Pine and using it in mail to MIME-aware recipients. Your current difficulties sound like a problem with the configuration of the communications program you are using to type the Pound Sterling character. -- Barry Bouwsma, back from Euro-bike-tour in Ann Arbor, Michigan Please direct mail to (MIME-aware) Unemployable System Crasher, seeking work with the Internet that will put me somewhere near the Appenzell, Switzerland; have pivo and zmrzlina, will travel From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 26 02:07:36 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16273; Sat, 26 Nov 94 02:07:36 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05761; Sat, 26 Nov 94 01:59:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05755; Sat, 26 Nov 94 01:59:19 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rBJTX-00000MC; Sat, 26 Nov 94 01:31 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? Date: 26 Nov 1994 09:21:52 GMT Message-Id: <3b6ung$9i8@hustle.rahul.net> References: In pmb1@tower.york.ac.uk (Mike Brudenell) writes: >But what if you are reading news using IMAP rather than NNTP? >In general you cannot rely on the delviery/access protocol to infer the >"mailness" or "newsness" of a message (ie e-mail message or news >article). Is IMAP discarding information? Consider this scenario: - The SMTP server on port 25, and the nntp server on port 119, both accept incoming connections, accept the email message or News posting, and put it into a common spool directory. - Another daemon process now extracts files from this common directory and, by looking at each file's contents alone -- tried to figure out what to do with it. It would not get very far, right? The out-of-band information that was lost is critical and should not be discarded. -- Rahul Dhesi From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 26 06:36:26 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21297; Sat, 26 Nov 94 06:36:26 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11471; Sat, 26 Nov 94 06:29:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11465; Sat, 26 Nov 94 06:29:12 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rBNd2-00001CC; Sat, 26 Nov 94 05:57 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Peter Scott Subject: Re: Pine VMS port. Date: Sat, 26 Nov 1994 07:53:41 -0600 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: > I have put the Pine port to VMS on the following FTP site, for all of you who lack the patience to use the site in Israel.. :) What are the differences between this version and 3.89? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 26 09:00:14 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23308; Sat, 26 Nov 94 09:00:14 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10330; Sat, 26 Nov 94 08:47:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10324; Sat, 26 Nov 94 08:47:18 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rBPqA-00001CC; Sat, 26 Nov 94 08:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: Getting Rid Of PICO??? Date: 26 Nov 94 16:16:59 GMT Message-Id: References: pjh@tecoma.mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) writes: >In article , >R. Stewart Ellis wrote: >=pjh@tecoma.mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) writes: >= >= >I would like to use a different editor from PICO while using Pine. >= >Setting editor= in the pine.conf and/or .pinerc does not do it. >= >= >What does? >= >= >Thanks. >= >=I want jove, which is set as my $EDITOR, so I have the following lines in >=~/.pinerc: >= >=# List of features; see Pine's Setup/options menu for the current set. >=# e.g. feature-list= select-without-confirm, signature-at-bottom >=# Default condition for all of the features is no-. >=feature-list=old-growth, >= signature-at-bottom, >= enable-alternate-editor-implicitly >What is this, COBOL? ;-) >=I then have: >= >=editor=$EDITOR >= >=in the ~/.pinerc, in case I change my mind to use JED or emacs or joe. >= >=Whenever I page down from the headers it autoloads the editor. NEAT! >What version of pine, Stew? It didn't work in 3.89. Now we are getting somewhere! The single biggest enhancement in 3.9x for me is the enable-alternate-editor-implicitly command. In 3.89 you are stuck with the ^_ or whatever kludge. If you want to have seamless use of another editor you must upgrade. You will also get all the selection features that have been added (plus the potential confusion concerning news replies). -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)313-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Gopher,chimera,nn,tin,jove,modems, free code is best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 26 13:10:44 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27598; Sat, 26 Nov 94 13:10:44 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15921; Sat, 26 Nov 94 12:57:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15915; Sat, 26 Nov 94 12:57:39 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rBTiz-00001JC; Sat, 26 Nov 94 12:28 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lurie@haas.berkeley.edu (Nick Lurie) Subject: Re: Eudora still binhexes (was: Re: Will Pine Ever be Intelligent?) Date: 26 Nov 1994 20:27:45 GMT Message-Id: References: <3b0bql$mab@sirius.cc.utexas.edu> In article , sdorner@qualcomm.com (Steve Dorner) wrote: > > Selecting AppleDouble is sufficient. Always as documents does not affect > the AppleDouble vs BinHex choice. > > In fact, documents can be sent as MIME even when BinHex is chosen, if the > data type is marked in the mapping resources (equivalent to mailcap) as > having a superfluous resource fork & Macintosh type. > > Steve, Does this mean one should select AppleDouble all the time, only when sending attached documents to Pine users, or never? Thanks, Nick Lurie From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 26 16:07:02 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00274; Sat, 26 Nov 94 16:07:02 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15223; Sat, 26 Nov 94 15:53:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15217; Sat, 26 Nov 94 15:53:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rBWSr-00001CC; Sat, 26 Nov 94 15:23 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mnewell@gatecoms.gatecom.com (Matt Newell) Subject: print attached-to-ansi Date: 26 Nov 1994 23:12:33 GMT Message-Id: <3b8fd1$5o8@gatecoms.gatecom.com> Is there any program or way to make (Unix) pine print a file in attched-to-ansi? TIA, Matt ** Matt Newell mnewell@gatecoms.gatecom.com ** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ GCS/U d?(---) H+>++ s+:- g?- !p? !au>+ a-- w+++@ v@?* C++>++++$ UV++>++++ P->++ E--->+ N++>+++ K+>+++ W--- M++>$ !V -po+(---) Y+ t++@ 5 j R>++ !G tv- b+++(+) !D B--- e*>++++ u**-- h!*@>++ f+(*) r++ n-@ y++@ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 26 22:21:13 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05661; Sat, 26 Nov 94 22:21:13 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19400; Sat, 26 Nov 94 22:08:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19394; Sat, 26 Nov 94 22:08:21 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rBcMg-00001JC; Sat, 26 Nov 94 21:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pilgrim@xmission.com (Papa Pilgrim) Subject: More "signature and pine" ?? Date: 26 Nov 1994 22:34:24 -0700 Message-Id: <3b95p0$pgl@xmission.xmission.com> Is there a way to *not* have the signature appear on pine *and* still have it show up on tin newsgroup posts using the .signature file in the home directory? Respond via e-mail please. TIA -- papa pilgrim "Nite Roots" Voice: 801-355-1405 reggae ambassadors worldwide KRCL 90.9FM Fax: 801-355-1405 pilgrim@xmission Salt Lake City, UT "FORWARD THE REGGAE VIBE...EVERYTIME!*** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 26 23:29:05 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06602; Sat, 26 Nov 94 23:29:05 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22696; Sat, 26 Nov 94 23:16:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22690; Sat, 26 Nov 94 23:16:30 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rBdSK-00001CC; Sat, 26 Nov 94 22:51 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: harris@email.unc.edu (Trey Harris) Subject: Linking /usr/local/etc/imapd to /etc/rimapd Date: 27 Nov 1994 06:42:12 GMT Message-Id: <3b99o4$ba4@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> Per the instructions in the Pine reference manual, I've symlinked /usr/local/etc/imapd to /etc/rimapd in order to enable local authentication of IMAP use. However, when I run Pine on the machine on which the imapd is running, I'm still prompted to type in my name and password. How can I make it run right? I'm runnig AIX 3.2.5 on a cluster of IBM RS/6000 R20s. -- Trey Harris http://sunsite.unc.edu/harris System Administrator, Project Isis, Office of Information Technology The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Nov 26 23:54:50 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06956; Sat, 26 Nov 94 23:54:50 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20360; Sat, 26 Nov 94 23:41:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20354; Sat, 26 Nov 94 23:41:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rBdq3-00001JC; Sat, 26 Nov 94 23:15 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu (J. Kelly Cunningham) Subject: Re: mkpgp was last updated on Nov 23 11:31. Message-Id: <1994Nov27.010220.370@titan.sfasu.edu> Date: 27 Nov 94 01:02:19 CST References: <3avusk$45r@huron.eel.ufl.edu> In article <3avusk$45r@huron.eel.ufl.edu>, J. Kelly Cunningham wrote: >mkpgp was last updated on Nov 23 11:31. > >finger slutsky@lipschitz.sfasu.edu | pgp -f > mkpgp.txt.uu I forgot: replacement lists can be located somewhere other than mkpgprc FOR-YOUR-EYES-ONLY anywhere in the message encrypts to "eyes only" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 27 02:32:06 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10136; Sun, 27 Nov 94 02:32:06 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24870; Sun, 27 Nov 94 02:19:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ns.RezoNet.NET by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24864; Sun, 27 Nov 94 02:19:00 -0800 Received: from G659.InterLink.NET by RezoNet.NET (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA10265; Sun, 27 Nov 1994 05:12:09 -0500 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 1994 05:12:09 -0500 Message-Id: <9411271012.AA10265@RezoNet.NET> X-Sender: intrepid@MailHost.RezoNet.NET Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: intrepid@InterLink.NET Subject: Pine for SCO-UNIX X-Mailer: Hello. I would like to obtain a copy of Pine e-mail software for SCO-UNIX. Could u please advise me accordingly. Thank you. Harry Marks (intrepid) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 27 09:53:35 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18103; Sun, 27 Nov 94 09:53:35 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00263; Sun, 27 Nov 94 09:45:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00257; Sun, 27 Nov 94 09:45:17 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rBnD1-00001JC; Sun, 27 Nov 94 09:16 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu (J. Kelly Cunningham) Subject: Re: Status of PEM/PGP integration into Pine Message-Id: <1994Nov27.110235.371@titan.sfasu.edu> Date: 27 Nov 94 11:02:34 CST References: In article , Jeffrey C. Ollie wrote: >Howdy Netfolks: > > I was wondering what the status of the PEM/PGP integration into Pine was. > If you have root access, get Richard Gooch's PGPsendmail at ftp.atnf.csiro.au:/pub/people/rgooch. It's a drop in wrapper for sendmail that makes PGP encryption completely transparent. Some other tools come with it that make decryption as transparent as it's likely to get. You wouldn't need root access if pine would allow the user to point pine to something other than sendmail. If all else fails: finger slutsky@lipschitz.sfasu.edu | pgp -f > mkpgp.txt.uu for a c-shell script that runs between pine and pgp as an alternate editor. (I think the hundreds of finger requests slutsky gets are a clear indication that it's time to integrate pgp into pine.) -- kc finger deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu | pgp -fka +force finger slutsky@lipschitz.sfasu.edu | pgp -f > mkpgp.txt.uu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 27 12:11:33 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20414; Sun, 27 Nov 94 12:11:33 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28753; Sun, 27 Nov 94 12:03:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28747; Sun, 27 Nov 94 12:03:16 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rBpET-00002SC; Sun, 27 Nov 94 11:25 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: noel@wfu.edu (Noel Hunter) Subject: Re: print attached-to-ansi Date: 27 Nov 1994 19:04:00 GMT Message-Id: <3bal70$adf@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> References: <3b8fd1$5o8@gatecoms.gatecom.com> Matt Newell (mnewell@gatecoms.gatecom.com) wrote: : Is there any program or way to make (Unix) pine print a file in : attched-to-ansi? It's built-in to pine3.91- option 1 under MAIN SETUP PRINTER. There is also a unix program to do it, written by Gary Day and modified by me. If you are interested in ansi printing, please consider giving it a try. I would like to improve it further, and welcome comments and patches: ftp://ftp.wfu.edu/pub/usenet/lpansi-2.1.shar -- * Noel Hunter, Academic Systems Administrator, Wake Forest University * * email: noel@wfu.edu http://www.wfu.edu/~noel * From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 27 14:50:04 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22996; Sun, 27 Nov 94 14:50:04 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03804; Sun, 27 Nov 94 14:41:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03798; Sun, 27 Nov 94 14:41:07 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rBrn6-000021C; Sun, 27 Nov 94 14:09 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jd3571@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca () Subject: Pine and Attached Files Date: 27 Nov 1994 21:31:49 GMT Message-Id: <3bats5$5ck@news.sas.ab.ca> By James Corneil Edmonton Freenet Alberta Canada I was at a new computer store this week here in Edmonton, no names but it was one of those new warehouse like computer superstores. In this computer store they had a room set up for seminars and one of the topics was the new Edmonton FreeNet that I belong to. At the seminar someone asked if the program Pine scrambles a file attached to an Email message. No one really knew if it does this on not. It was one of those things that get you thinking. If you send an Email message with an attached file to someone who does not have the Pine program will it end up distorted? Now I am new to the Internet and I have not had a lot of time with the Pine program so I do not know if it really does this. If someone out there can tell me if this is true on not, I would be most grateful to you. I do not think a Pine user would like to start sending files to people and find out that it's not going to work. Please Email me or reply to this News Group. James (jd3571@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca.) Edmonton Freenet Canada From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 27 15:21:30 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23470; Sun, 27 Nov 94 15:21:30 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00888; Sun, 27 Nov 94 15:01:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00882; Sun, 27 Nov 94 15:01:06 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rBs4l-00001MC; Sun, 27 Nov 94 14:28 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: csgoh@iti.gov.sg (Goh Cheng-Seng) Subject: editing MIME attachements in reply - how? Message-Id: Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 11:13:38 GMT Greetings, I have been receiving SMTP mails from our VAX running TGV Multinet, which send attachments in MIME format. When I try to reply to those mails using Pine, the attachments disappear from the message body and I see lines in the header's attachment entry indicating their presence. I would like to include and edit those attachment in the message body. Can someone tell me how to do that? Thanks in advance! -- Goh Cheng-Seng | Computer Information Systems Department Email: csgoh@ncb.gov.sg | Singapore National Computer Board Phone: (65)-772-0451 | 71 Science Park Drive Fax : (65)-778-9641 | Singapore 0511 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 27 17:28:04 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25609; Sun, 27 Nov 94 17:28:04 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05679; Sun, 27 Nov 94 17:17:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05673; Sun, 27 Nov 94 17:17:19 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rBu9D-00001MC; Sun, 27 Nov 94 16:40 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Headers, domains and pine (and a solution) Date: Sun, 27 Nov 1994 16:27:18 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On 25 Nov 1994, Jon Peatfield wrote: > This means that fro pien users even > internal mail is to userA@site and from userB@site rather to userA and from > userB. Correct. And, if userA happens to have a filter that causes the message to be delivered outside of the local machine without going through your MTA's fix-up code, the right thing happens. If userA's mailbox happens to be on an IMAP server, the right thing happens. This is an old issue (17 years and counting). Just about everybody who is anybody in the field of email software design has concluded that unqualified addresses are A Very Bad Thing. > Can someone please explain to me why pine should get involved in setting the > domain part of addresses which can be correctly handled in the MTA? See above. Only very old software depends upon MTA fixup. Designers of modern MUAs do not write unqualified local addresses because they have been burnt entirely too many times. Claims to the contrary notwithstanding, the problems of unqualified local addresses have NEVER been solved so that there is a guarantee that messages with such will not escape their zoos. These problems have consumed a disproportionate amount of support time dealing with bug reports from (often very irate) users who've been screwed by this. > Can I suggest that the use of "@" as a userdomain to achieve this effect be > added to the documentation, or that someone point me at where it is > documented if I totally missed where it is mentioned. You have stumbled upon an internal communication mechanism between Pine and c-client, used for an unrelated internal purpose. It has magic implications specifically for that purpose. It is NOT(!!) designed or intended to provide support for unqualified addresses in outgoing messages. If it ``works'' with what you're doing, it is entirely by accident. I wouldn't be at all surprised if you have mysterious Pine crashes (and if so we will definitely fix the bug that lets you do poke at it). It *will* interfere with internal Pine operations, since that mechanism is there for a completely different purpose. > Can I rely on this feature remaining in future versions of pine? Absolutely not. If you exploit a bug in Pine that lets you abuse an internal mechanism, you are on your own. We only support that which we document. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 27 18:12:34 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26357; Sun, 27 Nov 94 18:12:34 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03074; Sun, 27 Nov 94 18:01:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03068; Sun, 27 Nov 94 18:01:44 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rBute-00001MC; Sun, 27 Nov 94 17:28 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: More "signature and pine" ?? Date: 28 Nov 94 01:29:13 GMT Message-Id: References: <3b95p0$pgl@xmission.xmission.com> pilgrim@xmission.com (Papa Pilgrim) writes: >Is there a way to *not* have the signature appear on pine *and* still have >it show up on tin newsgroup posts using the .signature file in the home >directory? I delete the sig from those messages I don't want it on. You should be able to set it to another file, even an empty one using the setup command in pine >Respond via e-mail please. TIA >-- >papa pilgrim "Nite Roots" Voice: 801-355-1405 >reggae ambassadors worldwide KRCL 90.9FM Fax: 801-355-1405 >pilgrim@xmission Salt Lake City, UT > "FORWARD THE REGGAE VIBE...EVERYTIME!*** Mailed and posted. -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)313-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Gopher,chimera,nn,tin,jove,modems, free code is best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Nov 27 22:08:25 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00887; Sun, 27 Nov 94 22:08:25 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09098; Sun, 27 Nov 94 22:00:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09092; Sun, 27 Nov 94 22:00:25 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rByZF-00002YC; Sun, 27 Nov 94 21:24 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jdavis@CS.Arizona.EDU (Jim Davis) Subject: Re: Pine and Attached Files Date: 27 Nov 1994 22:08:52 -0700 Message-Id: <3bbol4$r5n@wolf.CS.Arizona.EDU> References: <3bats5$5ck@news.sas.ab.ca> In article <3bats5$5ck@news.sas.ab.ca>, wrote: :At the seminar someone asked if the program Pine scrambles a file :attached to an Email message. No one really knew if it does this on not. :Now I am new to the Internet and I have not had a lot of time with the :Pine program so I do not know if it really does this. If you can find the time, you really should read the online help. It explains that Pine uses MIME encoding with attachments, and lists some reasons why that's a Good Thing. If you get ambitious with your reading program, you might get the comp.mail.mime FAQ and discover why MIME is a Good Thing, and learn about other MIME decoders besides Pine. But who reads documentation anymore? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 28 02:14:46 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05709; Mon, 28 Nov 94 02:14:46 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12101; Mon, 28 Nov 94 02:10:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12095; Mon, 28 Nov 94 02:10:46 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rC2PG-00002PC; Mon, 28 Nov 94 01:29 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mick@oahu.cern.ch (Mickey Coggins) Subject: Re: Status of PEM/PGP integration into Pine Message-Id: References: <1994Nov27.110235.371@titan.sfasu.edu> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 09:26:50 GMT J. Kelly Cunningham (deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu) wrote: : In article , : > I was wondering what the status of the PEM/PGP integration into Pine was. : If you have root access, get Richard Gooch's PGPsendmail at : ftp.atnf.csiro.au:/pub/people/rgooch. It's a drop in wrapper for sendmail : that makes PGP encryption completely transparent. Some other tools come : with it that make decryption as transparent as it's likely to get. You : wouldn't need root access if pine would allow the user to point pine to : something other than sendmail. : If all else fails: : finger slutsky@lipschitz.sfasu.edu | pgp -f > mkpgp.txt.uu : for a c-shell script that runs between pine and pgp as an alternate editor. : (I think the hundreds of finger requests slutsky gets are a clear : indication that it's time to integrate pgp into pine.) Isn't sendmail the more logical choice for integration of PGP, since it would then work with all mailers? -- Mickey Coggins ('93 RM125) "All who have meditated on the art of 48 Av. G. Motta mick@oahu.cern.ch governing mankind have been convinced CH-1211 Geneva 2 Tel:+41-89-210-3762 that the fate of empires depends on Switzerland Fax:+41-22-791-5200 the education of youth." -Aristotle From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 28 03:36:34 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07493; Mon, 28 Nov 94 03:36:34 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09959; Mon, 28 Nov 94 03:30:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09953; Mon, 28 Nov 94 03:30:36 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rC3fE-00003YC; Mon, 28 Nov 94 02:50 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ag786@yfn.ysu.edu (Barry Bouwsma) Subject: Re: Linking /usr/local/etc/imapd to /etc/rimapd Date: 28 Nov 1994 10:44:52 GMT Message-Id: <3bccb4$hke@news.ysu.edu> References: <3b99o4$ba4@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> In a previous article, harris@email.unc.edu (Trey Harris) queries: >Per the instructions in the Pine reference manual, I've symlinked >/usr/local/etc/imapd to /etc/rimapd in order to enable local >authentication of IMAP use. > >However, when I run Pine on the machine on which the imapd is running, >I'm still prompted to type in my name and password. Pine tries with rsh to exec /etc/rimapd. Are you able to rsh other commands from your login without getting "Permission denied", or to rlogin without being prompted for a password? If not, then you need to take steps to allow rsh to succeed -- check the man page, although the easiest way might be to create an .rhosts file with your host and username in your home directory on the IMAP server, or an /etc/hosts.equiv to permit access for many users in a distributed environment. -- Barry Bouwsma, back from Euro-bike-tour in Ann Arbor, Michigan Please direct mail to (MIME-aware) Unemployable System Crasher, seeking work with the Internet that will put me somewhere near the Appenzell, Switzerland; have pivo and zmrzlina, will travel From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 28 03:38:10 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07563; Mon, 28 Nov 94 03:38:10 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10008; Mon, 28 Nov 94 03:33:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from andromeda.cp.dias.ie by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10002; Mon, 28 Nov 94 03:33:37 -0800 Received: from cp.dias.ie by andromeda.cp.dias.ie with SMTP (PP) id <04181-0@andromeda.cp.dias.ie>; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 11:33:36 +0000 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 11:33:34 +0000 (GMT) From: Wai Ming Tai X-Sender: wai@andromeda To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: print with PCPINE Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, Could anybody know how to print on the PCPINE to the local printer? Regards, ====================================================================== | Mr. Wai-Ming Tai | E-mail: School of Cosmic Physics, | Internet: wai@cp.dias.ie The Dublin Institute for Advanced Studies, | SPAN: 29522::WAI 5 Merrion Square, Dublin 2. | IRELAND | Tel: +353-1-6621333 FAX: +353-1-6621477 | ====================================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 28 03:50:09 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07901; Mon, 28 Nov 94 03:50:09 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13207; Mon, 28 Nov 94 03:46:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13201; Mon, 28 Nov 94 03:46:07 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rC3qR-00003ZC; Mon, 28 Nov 94 03:02 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: denholm@conmat.phys.soton.ac.uk Subject: RE: Pine VMS port. Message-Id: References: ,noid Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 10:55:35 GMT In Article noid writes: >I have put the Pine port to VMS on the following FTP site, for all >of you who lack the patience to use the site in Israel.. :) > >ftp://ftp.ctrl-c.liu.se/vms/pine > Who is currently maintaining pine port to vms ? There appear to be a few things wrong with 3.90-vms.b1 but I could't find an address in the source/docs help says that vms bugs should be sent to authors directly. Do I post here..? My notes are scratch$disk:[local.pine]readme.div on sotona.phys.soton.ac.uk if anyone wants them - where can I get (stable ?) 3.89 for vms - I hear it is tied in some way to a commercial package..? thanks dd -- David Denholm 'official' : D.R.Denholm@southampton.ac.uk Physics dept. preferred : denholm@conmat.phys.soton.ac.uk Southampton University Tel : (0703) 592104 [work] (0489) 576733 [home] uk SO17 1BJ Fax : (0703) 593910 [NEW !] From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 28 08:29:34 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14666; Mon, 28 Nov 94 08:29:34 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13696; Mon, 28 Nov 94 08:02:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13690; Mon, 28 Nov 94 08:02:27 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rC8BK-00001CC; Mon, 28 Nov 94 07:39 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: kurz@newton.math.uni-frankfurt.de (Volker Kurz) Subject: pine and xmh folders Date: 28 Nov 1994 14:51:25 GMT Message-Id: <3bcqpd$13gg@jurpool0.rz.uni-frankfurt.de> In page 35 of my "Pine Technical Notes" (Version 3.91) they promise that "Unix Pine also understands message folders in other formats, such as ..., MH, ..." ^^ But how can you do this? I could not find any further hint. My folders are created by xmh, but that should be the same. If pine itself cannot read MH/xmh folders, is there any utility that can convert MH/xmh messages to pine files? Preferably, pine should be able to _use_ MH/xmh folders, so pine and xmh could be used together. But this is not in the cards, I presume? :-( -- Dr. Volker Kurz | J.W.Goethe-Universitaet kurz@math.uni-frankfurt.de | Fachbereich Mathematik phone +49 (69) 798 3694 | D-60054 Frankfurt am Main From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 28 09:22:54 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17592; Mon, 28 Nov 94 09:22:54 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18450; Mon, 28 Nov 94 09:09:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from comp.uark.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18444; Mon, 28 Nov 94 09:09:03 -0800 Received: (from rholder@localhost) by comp.uark.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id LAA07564; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 11:09:01 -0600 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 11:08:59 -0600 (CST) From: Randy Holder To: Pine Support Cc: Pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Corrupted Mailbox Notification Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In our final days of testing Pine 3.91 before making it public (here at U of Arkansas), we have found what seems to be a small problem. When an inbox is corrupted, Pine 3.89 notified the user that the inbox is corrupt. Pine 3.91 does not seem to notify the user. Instead, it opens the inbox and reports 0 messages. It doesn't seem to tell the end user that there is a problem. Any suggestions on how to prevent this? Specs: using Pine 3.91 Sun SparcCenter 2000 Solaris 2.3 (I think) Thanks in advance, Randy Holder _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Randy V. Holder Phone: (501) 575-2905 Electronic Mail Support Specialist Fax: (501) 575-4753 Lotus 1-2-3 Support Email: Rholder@comp.uark.edu University of Arkansas Fayetteville, Arkansas _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 28 09:27:51 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17755; Mon, 28 Nov 94 09:27:51 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18700; Mon, 28 Nov 94 09:19:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from julian.uwo.ca by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18692; Mon, 28 Nov 94 09:19:04 -0800 Received: by julian.uwo.ca id AA01460; Mon, 28 Nov 94 12:18:42 -0500 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 12:18:38 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Cote X-Sender: mcote@blizzard.ccs.uwo.ca To: Volker Kurz Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine 3.90 and MH folders. (fwd) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This message was posted to the pine-info mailing list some time ago... - Mike Cote ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 10:26:23 GMT From: Xander.Jansen@SURFnet.nl To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine 3.90 and MH folders. Sven et al, On 3 Oct 1994, Sven-Ove Westberg wrote: > Why can not pine read the MH folders? Pine can (I and others use the MH-folder format with Pine for some time now). > I have set the #mh infront of the folder in .pinerc. Some excerpts from my .pinerc: # Path of (local or remote) INBOX, e.g. ={mail.somewhere.edu}inbox # Normal Unix default is the local INBOX (usually /usr/spool/mail/$USER). inbox-path=#mh/inbox (Note that you can also use inbox-path=#MHINBOX) # List of directories where saved-message folders may be. First one is # the default for Saves. Example: Main {host1}mail/[], Desktop mail\[] # Syntax: optnl-label {optnl-imap-hostname}optnl-directory-path[] folder-collections="My Mail" #mh/[] > Pine say that the folder is empty but i have messages stored in MH > format in them (eg a separate file for each message). There is this small bug (which will be fixed in 3.91) in the MH-driver that might affect you. If you have your MH-folders somewhere else then in ~/Mail try moving the Path: setting in ~/.mh_profile to the first line in the file. Regards, Xander ----------- Mike Cote Information Technology Services (ITS) University of Western Ontario Phone: (519) 661-2151, X 6048 London, Ontario Canada From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 28 09:47:50 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18874; Mon, 28 Nov 94 09:47:50 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19232; Mon, 28 Nov 94 09:41:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19226; Mon, 28 Nov 94 09:41:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rC9lT-00000HC; Mon, 28 Nov 94 09:21 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: chris@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu () Subject: Pine ofr OS/2? Date: 28 Nov 1994 14:54:28 GMT Message-Id: <3bcqv4$mnk@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu> Is anyone working on Pine for OS/2? -chris From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 28 09:52:42 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19132; Mon, 28 Nov 94 09:52:42 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19379; Mon, 28 Nov 94 09:46:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from alpha.Teleglobe.CA by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19369; Mon, 28 Nov 94 09:46:31 -0800 Received: by alpha.Teleglobe.CA (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA14452; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 12:46:20 -0500 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 12:46:19 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Thibaudeau To: Volker Kurz Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: pine and xmh folders In-Reply-To: <3bcqpd$13gg@jurpool0.rz.uni-frankfurt.de> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 28 Nov 1994, Volker Kurz wrote: > In page 35 of my "Pine Technical Notes" (Version 3.91) they promise that > > "Unix Pine also understands message folders in other formats, such > as ..., MH, ..." > ^^ > But how can you do this? I could not find any further hint. > My folders are created by xmh, but that should be the same. > > If pine itself cannot read MH/xmh folders, is there any utility that can > convert MH/xmh messages to pine files? > > Preferably, pine should be able to _use_ MH/xmh folders, so pine and xmh > could be used together. But this is not in the cards, I presume? :-( > > -- > Dr. Volker Kurz | J.W.Goethe-Universitaet > kurz@math.uni-frankfurt.de | Fachbereich Mathematik > phone +49 (69) 798 3694 | D-60054 Frankfurt am Main > I had problems myself with this feature. Here is what I found. Pine appends the value of the statement in .mh_profile to your $HOME directory name. This will be the path where Pine will look for mh folders. For example, if your in .mh_profile is: Path: mh-folders and you #MH/project, Pine will look for the directory $HOME/mh-folders/project By the same token, #MH/[] will refer to the collection of folders found in $HOME/mh-folders. This might fit your case. -- Pierre Thibaudeau | e-mail: TELEGLOBE CANADA | 1000, rue de La Gauchetiere ouest | Tel: +1-514-868-7538 Montreal, Qc H3B 4X5 | Canada | fax: +1-514-868-7257 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 28 10:26:59 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20803; Mon, 28 Nov 94 10:26:59 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16985; Mon, 28 Nov 94 10:18:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16975; Mon, 28 Nov 94 10:18:22 -0800 Received: by pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA39277; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 20:20:30 +0200 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 20:20:30 +0200 (WET) From: Aaron Sittner To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII unsubscribe From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 28 12:40:19 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28163; Mon, 28 Nov 94 12:40:19 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20013; Mon, 28 Nov 94 12:31:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20007; Mon, 28 Nov 94 12:31:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rCCQI-00000HC; Mon, 28 Nov 94 12:11 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pjh@tecoma.mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) Subject: Re: Getting Rid Of PICO??? Message-Id: Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 16:12:53 GMT References: In article , Pete Holsberg wrote: =In article , =R. Stewart Ellis wrote: ==I then have: == ==editor=$EDITOR == ==in the ~/.pinerc, in case I change my mind to use JED or emacs or joe. == ==Whenever I page down from the headers it autoloads the editor. NEAT! = =What version of pine, Stew? It didn't work in 3.89. I'll answer my own question -- it works in 3.91! Thanks, guys! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 28 12:45:22 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28439; Mon, 28 Nov 94 12:45:22 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23742; Mon, 28 Nov 94 12:41:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23734; Mon, 28 Nov 94 12:41:33 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rCCXx-00000MC; Mon, 28 Nov 94 12:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Jeno M. Bratts" Subject: PINE for VMS, WHERE do I get it? Date: 28 Nov 1994 17:40:20 GMT Message-Id: <3bd4m4$uro@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> Would someone out there please tell me where I can retreive the the latest version of PINE for VMS? Thanks. -------------------- email: jeno@sophia.sph.unc.edu jbratts.sph2@mhs.unc.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 28 13:37:41 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01682; Mon, 28 Nov 94 13:37:41 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21763; Mon, 28 Nov 94 13:31:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21754; Mon, 28 Nov 94 13:31:40 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rCDL4-00000HC; Mon, 28 Nov 94 13:10 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pjh@tecoma.mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) Subject: SV4 ?? Message-Id: Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 16:16:10 GMT Pine developers: why do you put the "sv4" stuff in with the non-ANSI group? Is there some variant of SVR4 that is not ANSI-compatible? Eg., to get pine to build under UnixWare (SVR4.x), I have to move the sv4.* files from the non-ANSI directory to the ANSI directory, and edit a couple of makefiles to activate "-DANSI". Surely you could handle that easily enough in your distribution??? Thanks, Pete From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 28 14:33:01 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04613; Mon, 28 Nov 94 14:33:01 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26565; Mon, 28 Nov 94 14:26:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26559; Mon, 28 Nov 94 14:26:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rCEDi-00000MC; Mon, 28 Nov 94 14:06 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rneu@rneu.loc.gov Subject: Re: signature and pine Date: 28 Nov 1994 16:56:14 GMT Message-Id: <3bd23e$jsn@rs7.loc.gov> References: In , Roy Magne Indreboe writes: >>I would like to think that it's prefered to have the message you want to >answer on top, then your comments, and at last, your signature. > Please please please *no*! Try reading a list in digest form (not gatewayed, and you lack time or access): if the old stuff comes first, sometimes hundreds of lines of it (some people can't or won't restrain their reply function), you soon get to skipping the effort it takes to get to the new stuff before you can even see if it was worth it. > > R.R. Neuswanger, Ph.D., NRA life rneu@rneu.loc.gov or (better) rrne@loc.gov I speak for me. Only. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 28 15:03:07 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06353; Mon, 28 Nov 94 15:03:07 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23989; Mon, 28 Nov 94 14:57:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23983; Mon, 28 Nov 94 14:57:02 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rCEhi-00000MC; Mon, 28 Nov 94 14:37 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: perrot@grbb.polymtl.ca (Gildas PERROT) Subject: FAQs ? Date: 28 Nov 1994 20:19:12 GMT Message-Id: <3bde00$gjn@charles.cdec.polymtl.ca> Is there any FAQ on Pine ? Thanks in advance for your help. Gildas. -- # Gildas PERROT, Associe de recherche # Ecole Polytechnique # Institut de Genie Biomedical # C.P. 6079, Succ. Centre-Ville __o # e-mail: perrot@grbb.polymtl.ca # Montreal H3C3A7, Canada ------ \<, # Tel: (514) 340-4184 # Fax: (514) 340-4611 ------ (*)/ (*) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 28 15:33:00 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08043; Mon, 28 Nov 94 15:33:00 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28383; Mon, 28 Nov 94 15:29:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28377; Mon, 28 Nov 94 15:29:36 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rCF9u-00002tC; Mon, 28 Nov 94 15:06 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: fredf@aps.org (Fred Firestine) Subject: Unix Pine - Setup problems with Wyse 60 terminals Date: 28 Nov 1994 13:49:20 -0600 Message-Id: Hi, Using Pine 3.91 and loving it... We have a couple of folks here using Wyse 60 terminals, connected to an Annex terminal server which is in turn connected to our Sequent system running Dynix/ptx. When they go into Pine, they have screen display problems, i.e. "ghost" images of the prompts appear to the right of the From: and To" fields after information is entered. In addition, they cannot use their arrow keys; they are recognized as control character sequences. I realize this is probably a setup problem in terminfo or our terminal server; but I would appreciate it if someone with a similar environment can lend a hand. Since I have no direct Usenet access, I would appreciate if you could reply to me directly. Thanks, and keep up the good work! Fred Firestine Programmer/Analyst The American Physical Society Woodbury, NY From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 28 15:47:34 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08629; Mon, 28 Nov 94 15:47:34 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25196; Mon, 28 Nov 94 15:42:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25190; Mon, 28 Nov 94 15:42:30 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rCFIr-00002fC; Mon, 28 Nov 94 15:16 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: coronell@pogonip.scs.unr.edu (Chuck Coronella) Subject: pine for OS/2! Message-Id: Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 22:01:59 GMT With the new release of OS/2 Warp (3.0), there is (or will be) a significant demand for a product such as pine for OS/2. More and more people will be switching to OS/2 in the future, and the only mailers currently available for OS/2 are clearly inadequate. Please, please please! Chuck Coronella Chemical & Metallurgical Engineering Department University of Nevada, Reno coronell@pogonip.unr.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 28 15:52:57 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08868; Mon, 28 Nov 94 15:52:57 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28803; Mon, 28 Nov 94 15:48:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28797; Mon, 28 Nov 94 15:48:26 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rCFS2-00001DC; Mon, 28 Nov 94 15:25 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: loflin@sirius.cc.utexas.edu (Don Loflin) Subject: Re: Eudora still binhexes (was: Re: Will Pine Ever be Intelligent?) Date: 28 Nov 1994 11:29:56 -0600 Message-Id: <3bd42k$lie@sirius.cc.utexas.edu> References: <3b0bql$mab@sirius.cc.utexas.edu> Steve Dorner wrote: >(Don Loflin) wrote: > >>Eudora uses Binhex, not UUENCODE. It can decode MIME, but the default for >>sending attachments is BINHEX, not Base64 (the encoding used in MIME). This >>is wrong, IMHO. The default ought to be MIME for outgoing > >Eudora never uses anything except MIME. Even when it does BinHex or >uuencode, it uses MIME. I realize Eudora always uses MIME for identifying message parts -- Pine does always identify a binhexed attachment as such -- but it doesn't always use BASE64 for encoding binary data, which is what I tried to say. I made the mistake of using "MIME" instead of "Base64" in my last sentence. Let me rephrase: "the default ought to be Base64 for outgoing attachments, using AppleDouble to isolate Mac-specific data." >>and my opinion is that it shouldn't even allow Binhex for outgoing messages. > >You're welcome to your opinion. My opinion is that you are a loon. Granted, I'm a loon, I can find several to attest, I'm sure :-) But please explain why Eudora *should* allow Binhex for outgoing messages. Doesn't AppleDouble+Base64 work just as well? If not, then let's toss it and define something else that does, but uses Base64 encoding of binary parts. >>If you're using Mac Eudora, there's a trick to using proper MIME >>encoding so that Pine can read the attachments. You have to be sure and >>check the box labeled "always as Mac documents" as well as selecting >>"AppleDouble" for the encoding, or Mac Eudora will binhex. > >BZZZZT. WRONG. Thank you for playing. > >Selecting AppleDouble is sufficient. Always as documents does not affect >the AppleDouble vs BinHex choice. > >In fact, documents can be sent as MIME even when BinHex is chosen, if the >data type is marked in the mapping resources (equivalent to mailcap) as >having a superfluous resource fork & Macintosh type. Well, there must be a bug in 1.4.3 Eudora, because I did several experiments sending Excel and Word documents and always, if I left "send as Mac documents" unchecked (but AppleDouble was selected instead of binhex), the document was sent using binhex instead of appledouble+ base64. Of course, peering closer, I see that the AppleDouble vs Binhex selections are *indented* under the "always as mac docs" box, so I suppose if the box isn't checked, the setting below isn't used. At the least, that needs to be clearer to lightheaded users (myself included :-) [I finally checked out 1.5.1b3 - very impressive. The new settings dialog is very nice, and yes, it sent using the proper encoding, regardless of "include Mac info" setting.] I guess I'm trying to say that a) for most users, "MIME" means "base64 for binary parts" (whether they're aware of base64 or not -- they just know that another MIME mailer ought to be able to read the attachment), b) most users don't know what appledouble is either, so the attachment configuration dialog is confusing (and binhex is familiar, so they pick that), and c) most users won't ever bother with the mapping resources, but still expect their documents to be sent using AppleDouble when they select that. >>version of Eudora is much better, offering a simple choice of MIME vs >>Binhex. Hopefully, the Mac version will switch to that interface in a >>future release. > >Sure, right after Apple drops MacOS in favor of MS-DOS, and there are no >resource forks to worry about anymore. And right after the IANA picks up >Apple's extensive type registry, so that the Macintosh type information is >no longer often the only way to figure out what's in a file. Again, in the PC version, "MIME" seems to imply "base64" instead of binhex. I was just suggesting a simplification of the dialog, substituting "MIME" for "AppleDouble" so that users would be more likely to use that when sending to non-Eudora or unknown-MUA users, to enhance the probability that their document will be usable at the other end. As for type information, where there isn't already an "application/xxx" type, how about including the info in the Content-Description (i.e "Macintosh Excel Document")? Mac mailers could just dip into the other AppleDouble parts, of course, but I don't think non-Mac MUAs should be responsible for doing that. Most people are going to tell you what type of document they're sending in the body anyway, so just being able to save off the data portion easily will go a long way toward better interoperability. It may be that major Mac and/or quasi cross-platform types (i.e most Microsoft ones :-) should indeed be registered as Media Types. >>Since this message was Cc'd to Qualcomm, I ask them: when will you remove >>outgoing Binhex from Eudora, to reduce this kind of confusion and stop >>hindering widespread MIME acceptance? > >You are sadly misinformed. Eudora uses MIME even when BinHex'ing, and it >accepts all sorts of MIME. I'm hardly hindering MIME acceptance. Yes, I agree, Eudora is very MIME compliant. I'm just saying it should prefer using AppleDouble over Binhex. When users send a binhexed document to a user running a different MIME MUA, or using a MIME gateway, they typically can't use the document without hassle, at least on PCs. If the senders use AppleDouble, the data portion is much more readily accessible, thus the user sees MIME as a useful thing, and will push for its use. If not, they look at how easy their proprietary mail system (ccMail, MSMAIL, etc) handles attachments, and think "I don't need MIME, look how well this works". *That's* what hinders MIME acceptance. If every MIME program is required to support Application/Binhex in order to exchange documents, and parse out the pieces if they want to display the type, then the purposes and potential of MIME are circumvented, IMHO. --- Don Loflin Microcomputer Technologies, // DISCLAIMER: I do not represent Computation Center - UT Austin // the views of my employer, nor loflin@mail.utexas.edu // am I acting officially for them From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 28 16:23:47 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10314; Mon, 28 Nov 94 16:23:47 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29574; Mon, 28 Nov 94 16:18:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tomobiki-cho.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29568; Mon, 28 Nov 94 16:18:45 -0800 Received: from UW-Gateway.Panda.COM by Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (NX5.67e/UW-NDC Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA06254; Mon, 28 Nov 94 16:18:35 -0800 Received: from localhost by Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (NX5.67e/UW-NDC/Panda Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA20619; Mon, 28 Nov 94 16:18:25 -0800 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 16:12:54 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Crispin Subject: re: Corrupted Mailbox Notification To: Randy Holder Cc: Pine Support , Pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Hello. Thank you for reporting this problem. At first, I was confused by your report, but now I understand: if you open INBOX and the /usr/spool/mail/$USER file is corrupted, you will get this behavior. Opening the file explicitly will give you the error. I'll look into having this bug fixed in Pine 3.92. On Mon, 28 Nov 1994 11:08:59 -0600 (CST), Randy Holder wrote: > In our final days of testing Pine 3.91 before making it public (here at U > of Arkansas), we have found what seems to be a small problem. When an > inbox is corrupted, Pine 3.89 notified the user that the inbox is > corrupt. Pine 3.91 does not seem to notify the user. Instead, it opens > the inbox and reports 0 messages. It doesn't seem to tell the end user > that there is a problem. Any suggestions on how to prevent this? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 28 16:28:32 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10677; Mon, 28 Nov 94 16:28:32 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26088; Mon, 28 Nov 94 16:24:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26082; Mon, 28 Nov 94 16:24:06 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rCG1Q-00000HC; Mon, 28 Nov 94 16:02 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul H Kramer Subject: Access this IMAP resource (net-happenings mailing list) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 16:31:43 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII MIDnet now provides "IMAP" access to all contributions mailed to the net-happenings mailing list. This means if you have a mail client that is imap-compliant (i.e., pine), you may read the latest articles off MIDnet's IMAP server. By offering this kind of access, you don't have to subscribe to net-happenings yourself, just rely on MIDnet to provide you the articles. The format for accessing an IMAP server is: *{imap.mid.net/anonymous}pub/NET/yy-mm-dd where you replace yy with "94", mm with "11", "10", etc and dd with "01", "11", etc. For example, after you press "g" in pine (for the "go-to" command), you would enter the above string like this: *{imap.mid.net/anonymous}pub/NET/94-11-21 If you have comments or suggestions on how this service might be improved, send mail to nic@mid.net. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 28 17:50:40 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14655; Mon, 28 Nov 94 17:50:40 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01698; Mon, 28 Nov 94 17:47:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01691; Mon, 28 Nov 94 17:47:17 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rCHI6-00000MC; Mon, 28 Nov 94 17:23 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: kitch@interport.net (Kitch Barnicle) Subject: unreadable binary files? Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 13:37:22 UNDEFINED Message-Id: I have been practicing transferring binary files (Word and Word Perfect files) using Pine. After I send a file to myself and download it to my PC I cannot open or view the file. Does anybody know what I might be doing wrong. I upload the file, attach it, send it, receive it, use view attachment in Pine, save to file, download and then try to open it. I have tried to use Pine help but I can't seem to get things working. I assume it is something simple Thanks Kitch From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 28 18:16:22 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15345; Mon, 28 Nov 94 18:16:22 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28509; Mon, 28 Nov 94 18:12:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28503; Mon, 28 Nov 94 18:12:21 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rCHgS-00000MC; Mon, 28 Nov 94 17:48 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jdavis@CS.Arizona.EDU (Jim Davis) Subject: Re: Auto-forward, reply, status tracking Date: 28 Nov 1994 15:57:28 -0700 Message-Id: <3bdn8o$k8f@wolf.CS.Arizona.EDU> References: In article , Brent Esler wrote: :Also can you advise whether Pine 3.91 supports the following features: :1. Auto-forwarding (user set, such as when on holiday) Use a .forward(4) file. :2. Auto-reply (adivsing of a situation, such as above) Use the vacation(1) program, or look at the deliver or procmail programs. I believe both will run under AIX. :3. Delayed delivery, ie. send now, don’t deliver till x days Delivery on AIX is handled by sendmail(8), not Pine. :4. Ability to tell whether a message mailed to a local user on the same : unix box has been read or not, or alternatively a system : generated notification of unread messages after x days Try the finger(1) command. Some versions of sendmail support delivery notification (and some system adminstrators turn it off, in the name of privacy); I don't know if stock AIX sendmail does. Read notification is a another matter. :5. Encryption of messages You could encrypt your message outside of Pine and insert it in the composer. Someone on alt.security.pgp was talking about integrating PGP with Pine in the near future. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 28 18:58:33 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16192; Mon, 28 Nov 94 18:58:33 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02726; Mon, 28 Nov 94 18:54:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02720; Mon, 28 Nov 94 18:54:42 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rCIKA-00000HC; Mon, 28 Nov 94 18:29 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Pine 3.92 ?? Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 11:07:15 -0800 Message-Id: References: <3aarvg$g12@mizar.usc.edu> <3amonc$66h@draco.bison.mb.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3amonc$66h@draco.bison.mb.ca> On 20 Nov 1994, Jim Jaworski wrote: > Is there an OS/2 PM version of pine released or in the works? > Not here. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 28 19:51:34 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17227; Mon, 28 Nov 94 19:51:34 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29762; Mon, 28 Nov 94 19:47:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29756; Mon, 28 Nov 94 19:47:43 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rCJCz-00001JC; Mon, 28 Nov 94 19:26 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: baesler@dunedin.es.co.nz (Brent Esler) Subject: Auto-forward, reply, status tracking Message-Id: Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 16:33:12 GMT I have just installed Pine on an RS6000 running AIX 3.2.4. I have a query or two that I hoped someone may be able to answer: I downloaded a file called technotes.txt or something similar. I want to edit it on my PC but the problem is that it has hard returns at the end of every line and also there are square boxes between characters of words that appear to have been underlined. Did I get the wrong file, or do something wrong? Also can you advise whether Pine 3.91 supports the following features: I couldn’t find any reference to them but I thought I should check in case I overlooked something obvious: 1. Auto-forwarding (user set, such as when on holiday) 2. Auto-reply (adivsing of a situation, such as above) 3. Delayed delivery, ie. send now, don’t deliver till x days 4. Ability to tell whether a message mailed to a local user on the same unix box has been read or not, or alternatively a system generated notification of unread messages after x days 5. Encryption of messages Thanks Brent Esler Brent Esler From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 28 20:03:17 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17572; Mon, 28 Nov 94 20:03:17 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03480; Mon, 28 Nov 94 19:58:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from [198.161.206.2] by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03474; Mon, 28 Nov 94 19:58:57 -0800 Received: by freenet.edmonton.ab.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/FEAC1.002) id AA15294; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 20:50:46 -0700 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 20:50:45 -0700 (MST) From: Dieter Simader To: Chuck Coronella Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: pine for OS/2! In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 28 Nov 1994, Chuck Coronella wrote: > With the new release of OS/2 Warp (3.0), there is (or will be) a significant > demand for a product such as pine for OS/2. More and more people will be > switching to OS/2 in the future, and the only mailers currently available for > OS/2 are clearly inadequate. > > Please, please please! > > Chuck Coronella > Chemical & Metallurgical Engineering Department > University of Nevada, Reno > coronell@pogonip.unr.edu > > I doubt that there will be a flud of DOS, Windows or whatever users switching to OS/2. OS/2 has its limitations and there isn't enough support for it out there. Besides, I believe you can use PC-Pine in a DOS box too. Maybe ask IBM. Their address for OS/2 is OS2WARP@vnet.ibm.com -- Dieter Simader dsimader@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 28 20:16:34 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18066; Mon, 28 Nov 94 20:16:34 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00361; Mon, 28 Nov 94 20:13:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00355; Mon, 28 Nov 94 20:13:35 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Tue, 29 Nov 94 12:10:02 -0800 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 12:10:02 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Gildas PERROT Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: FAQs ? In-Reply-To: <3bde00$gjn@charles.cdec.polymtl.ca> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 28 Nov 1994, Gildas PERROT wrote: > Is there any FAQ on Pine ? ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu:/pine/docs/faq Ed From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 28 20:42:57 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18708; Mon, 28 Nov 94 20:42:57 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04108; Mon, 28 Nov 94 20:39:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04102; Mon, 28 Nov 94 20:39:41 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rCJxX-00000HC; Mon, 28 Nov 94 20:14 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: harris@email.unc.edu (Trey Harris) Subject: Re: Status of PEM/PGP integration into Pine Date: 28 Nov 1994 20:16:38 GMT Message-Id: <3bddr6$8dg@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> References: <1994Nov27.110235.371@titan.sfasu.edu> In article <1994Nov27.110235.371@titan.sfasu.edu>, J. Kelly Cunningham wrote: >(I think the hundreds of finger requests slutsky gets are a clear >indication that it's time to integrate pgp into pine.) Hear, hear! My users are clamoring for PGP and they simply do *not* want to learn some other alternate-editor interface. They want, as one user said to me, "Pine to work like Pine", when I tried to give her a PGP script. It was Zimmerman's idea that we learn to use public-key encryption for virtually *all* email. A Pine with PGP integrated would facilitate this. -- Trey Harris http://sunsite.unc.edu/harris System Administrator, Project Isis, Office of Information Technology The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 28 20:56:49 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19006; Mon, 28 Nov 94 20:56:49 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00850; Mon, 28 Nov 94 20:47:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00844; Mon, 28 Nov 94 20:47:34 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rCK7a-00000MC; Mon, 28 Nov 94 20:24 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dstaley@amanda.dorsai.org (Dennis Staley) Subject: PINE for DG-UX? Message-Id: Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 19:50:21 GMT Greetings; Can anyone tell me the version of pine that has been ported to Data General? Also, is there a special version of pico (etc) that we also have to use? If you can also tell us where to ftp the proper files from it would be much appreciated. Thank you in advance --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dennis J. 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Date: 28 Nov 1994 22:16:08 GMT Message-Id: <3bdkr8$38i@charles.cdec.polymtl.ca> Hi everybody, I would like to know where is the template file for ~/.pinerc created by default when a user first use pine. I am not happy by the default variables of this file but I don't want to user fixed configuration file. Gildas. -- # Gildas PERROT, Associe de recherche # Ecole Polytechnique # Institut de Genie Biomedical # C.P. 6079, Succ. Centre-Ville __o # e-mail: perrot@grbb.polymtl.ca # Montreal H3C3A7, Canada ------ \<, # Tel: (514) 340-4184 # Fax: (514) 340-4611 ------ (*)/ (*) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 28 21:53:59 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20275; Mon, 28 Nov 94 21:53:59 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01637; Mon, 28 Nov 94 21:48:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01631; Mon, 28 Nov 94 21:48:02 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rCL6n-00001CC; Mon, 28 Nov 94 21:28 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: unreadable binary files? Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 13:17:52 -0800 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: 1. What version of Pine are you using? 2. How are you up/downloading the files? |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Mon, 28 Nov 1994, Kitch Barnicle wrote: > Date: Mon, 28 NOV 1994 13:37:22 UNDEFINED > From: Kitch Barnicle > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: unreadable binary files? > > I have been practicing transferring binary files (Word and Word Perfect > files) using Pine. After I send a file to myself and download it > to my PC I cannot open or view the file. Does anybody know what I might be > doing wrong. > > I upload the file, attach it, send it, receive it, use view attachment in > Pine, save to file, download and then try to open it. > > > I have tried to use Pine help but I can't seem to get things working. I assume > it is something simple > > Thanks > Kitch > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Nov 28 21:58:29 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20370; Mon, 28 Nov 94 21:58:29 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05196; Mon, 28 Nov 94 21:55:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05188; Mon, 28 Nov 94 21:55:04 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rCL9z-00001DC; Mon, 28 Nov 94 21:31 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gunther@ssi.edc.org (Gunther Anderson) Subject: Re: Pine for SCO-UNIX Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 20:57:31 GMT Message-Id: References: <9411271012.AA10265@RezoNet.NET> intrepid@InterLink.NET wrote: : I would like to obtain a copy of Pine e-mail software for SCO-UNIX. : Could u please advise me accordingly. : Harry Marks (intrepid) Well, the place I used to have it evaporated, so I've just uploaded it to another archive for SCO software, odi.cwc.whecn.edu. Anonymous FTP there. Currently, the package (named pine3.91.sco.bins.tar.gz) rests in /pub/in-coming, but will get moved before long to something under /pub/sco-ports. If you have the development kit (including the developer's version of TCP/IP), you can compile it yourself without any troubles. I'm also going to upload it to ftp.celestial.com, as soon as I can figure out where. Gunther Anderson From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 29 00:32:23 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23430; Tue, 29 Nov 94 00:32:23 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07143; Tue, 29 Nov 94 00:29:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07137; Tue, 29 Nov 94 00:28:59 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rCNZF-00002NC; Tue, 29 Nov 94 00:05 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Pine 3.90 and MH folders. (fwd) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 23:52:32 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Mon, 28 Nov 1994, Mike Cote wrote: > inbox-path=#mh/inbox > > (Note that you can also use inbox-path=#MHINBOX) These are not quite the same! The difference between #mh/inbox and #MHINBOX is that the latter will move mail from /usr/spool/mail/$USER into your MH inbox. The former just opens the MH inbox without this behavior. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 29 00:37:03 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23586; Tue, 29 Nov 94 00:37:03 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03589; Tue, 29 Nov 94 00:22:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03583; Tue, 29 Nov 94 00:22:07 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rCNOP-00001LC; Mon, 28 Nov 94 23:54 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: SV4 ?? Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 23:39:51 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Mon, 28 Nov 1994, Pete Holsberg wrote: > Pine developers: why do you put the "sv4" stuff in with the > non-ANSI group? Is there some variant of SVR4 that is not > ANSI-compatible? The answer to this question is "yes"; there are SVR4 systems that do not have C compilers which support ANSI prototypes. A port is necessarily limited by the worst representative of that port. > Eg., to get pine to build under UnixWare > (SVR4.x), I have to move the sv4.* files from the non-ANSI > directory to the ANSI directory, and edit a couple of makefiles > to activate "-DANSI". There is absolutely no reason why it should matter whether or not the sv4 files are in .../imap/ANSI/c-client or .../imap/non-ANSI/c-client. The only difference between the .../imap/ANSI and ../imap/non-ANSI trees is in the C function prototyping and function headers. The object files generated are identical. The existance of the ANSI tree is only to help me in software development. I'm seriously considering releasing only the non-ANSI tree, which was done in earlier versions of Pine, to put an end to these debates. Any problems you may have in building Pine under UnixWare are completely independent of which tree the c-client sources are in. I'm willing to help out on figuring out what the problems you may be having, or even to build a new UnixWare port if it is necessary to make it plug&play for UnixWare. But please, let's all accept that: the SV4 port is non-ANSI for a reason, it is not to insult your C compiler, it doesn't make any difference in the resulting binaries, and the resulting binaries are all that counts!! ;-) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 29 02:10:13 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25869; Tue, 29 Nov 94 02:10:13 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04985; Tue, 29 Nov 94 02:06:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04979; Tue, 29 Nov 94 02:06:35 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rCP5D-00001CC; Tue, 29 Nov 94 01:42 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: forman@refuge.Colorado.EDU (Michael Forman) Subject: HESIOD & Pine Date: 29 Nov 1994 01:55:34 GMT Message-Id: <3be1mm$78t@lace.Colorado.EDU> A question for the experts. Pine has an annoying habit of being smart. It stamps each letter with the persons name and machine before mailing, instead of letting sendmail take care of it. We use First.Last aliases in addition to the standard passwd entry for addressing mail. Our problem is that pine stamps mail with the passwd login, instead of leaving sendmail to put the needed First.Last name in the From line. We need to compile pine so it _does_not_ expand the senders name and instead leaves it to sendmail. Send suggestions directly to me, you pine gurus you. PS- We have a sendmail hack that will force pine to comply, but we would prefer modifying pine instead. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 29 03:24:16 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27329; Tue, 29 Nov 94 03:24:16 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05814; Tue, 29 Nov 94 03:19:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tomobiki-cho.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05808; Tue, 29 Nov 94 03:19:10 -0800 Received: from localhost by Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (NX5.67e/UW-NDC Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA08597; Tue, 29 Nov 94 03:19:05 -0800 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 03:17:14 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Crispin Subject: re: Corrupted Mailbox Notification To: Randy Holder Cc: Pine Support , Pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII The bug of not getting notified about corrupted /usr/spool/mail/$USER files (seeing an empty INBOX instead) can be fixed by replacing the definition of dummy_open() in file c-client/dummy.c with the following code: { int fd; char err[MAILTMPLEN],tmp[MAILTMPLEN]; struct stat sbuf; /* OP_PROTOTYPE call */ if (!stream) return &dummyproto; err[0] = '\0'; /* no error message yet */ /* can we open the file? */ if ((fd = open (dummy_file (tmp,stream->mailbox),O_RDONLY,NIL)) < 0) { /* no, error unless INBOX */ if (strcmp (ucase (strcpy (tmp,stream->mailbox)),"INBOX")) sprintf (err,"%s: %s",strerror (errno),stream->mailbox); } else { /* file had better be empty then */ fstat (fd,&sbuf); /* sniff at its size */ close (fd); if (sbuf.st_size) /* bogus format if non-empty */ sprintf (err,"%s (file %s) is not in valid mailbox format", stream->mailbox,tmp); } if (!stream->silent) { /* only if silence not requested */ if (err[0]) mm_log (err,ERROR); else { mail_exists (stream,0); /* say there are 0 messages */ mail_recent (stream,0); /* and certainly no recent ones! */ } } return err[0] ? NIL : stream; /* return success if no error */ } From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 29 07:17:32 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03095; Tue, 29 Nov 94 07:17:32 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09087; Tue, 29 Nov 94 07:11:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09081; Tue, 29 Nov 94 07:11:34 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rCTrD-00000MC; Tue, 29 Nov 94 06:48 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gasi@Informatik.Uni-Marburg.de (Herbert Gasiorowski) Subject: PC-Pine creates wrong mail-folders!? Date: 29 Nov 1994 12:55:14 GMT Message-Id: <3bf8bi$8nr@surz03.HRZ.Uni-Marburg.DE> When saving mail to a new folder, a file is created in ~/Mail but afterwards pine complains about wrong file format (or something like that). Looking into the mail directory shows a new file *without*any* permissions! After changing the permission to rw for user, mail can be saved by PC-Pine without Problems. Does anyone knows the problem and a solution ? Is it a Pine or a imap fault or ... ? Thanks in advance Herbert Gasiorowski From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 29 08:54:28 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06387; Tue, 29 Nov 94 08:54:28 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14356; Tue, 29 Nov 94 08:47:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14350; Tue, 29 Nov 94 08:47:02 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rCVLs-00000MC; Tue, 29 Nov 94 08:24 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rob McKenzie Subject: Selecting Newsgroups in Pine.... Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 08:40:42 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is there a way to select (tag) multiple newsgroups at once in Pine? This one at a time deal is terrible. Should this be added to the Pine.#.## wish list? Cheers!!! Rob McKenzie COPAC Support Technician +1 613 765 3107 (ESN 395-3107) Carling, Lab 5, 3rd West, Pillar B5 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 29 09:48:01 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09476; Tue, 29 Nov 94 09:48:01 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12601; Tue, 29 Nov 94 09:39:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12595; Tue, 29 Nov 94 09:39:32 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rCW9I-00000HC; Tue, 29 Nov 94 09:15 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu (J. Kelly Cunningham) Subject: Re: Status of PEM/PGP integration into Pine Message-Id: <1994Nov29.072227.385@titan.sfasu.edu> Date: 29 Nov 94 07:22:26 CST References: <1994Nov27.110235.371@titan.sfasu.edu> In article , Mickey Coggins wrote: >J. Kelly Cunningham (deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu) wrote: >: In article , >: > I was wondering what the status of the PEM/PGP integration into Pine was. > >: If you have root access, get Richard Gooch's PGPsendmail at >: ftp.atnf.csiro.au:/pub/people/rgooch. It's a drop in wrapper for sendmail >: that makes PGP encryption completely transparent. Some other tools come >: with it that make decryption as transparent as it's likely to get. You >: wouldn't need root access if pine would allow the user to point pine to >: something other than sendmail. > >: If all else fails: >: finger slutsky@lipschitz.sfasu.edu | pgp -f > mkpgp.txt.uu >: for a c-shell script that runs between pine and pgp as an alternate editor. > >: (I think the hundreds of finger requests slutsky gets are a clear >: indication that it's time to integrate pgp into pine.) > >Isn't sendmail the more logical choice for integration of >PGP, since it would then work with all mailers? >-- >Mickey Coggins ('93 RM125) "All who have meditated on the art of PGPsendmail won't work with all mailers (yet). In particular, it won't work with NeXT's Mail.app or NeXT's /usr/ucb/mail. It seems to work fine with Pine on a NeXT however. (NeXT seems to use undocumented args to sendmail... Mail.app also presents other problems which are addressed by CryptorBundle.) In any case, I don't think users should be required to depend on the system administrator to install PGPsendmail (or support pgp for that matter... that's why I work on mkpgp, so users can take care of it themselves...). PGPsendmail can be installed by the user. If users could point Pine to it, the PGP issue would *go*away*. I don't know how much effort would be involved in such a modification, but intuition tells me it would be far less than that required to actually integrate pgp into Pine. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 29 09:59:34 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10028; Tue, 29 Nov 94 09:59:34 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12745; Tue, 29 Nov 94 09:46:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from LL.MIT.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12739; Tue, 29 Nov 94 09:46:34 -0800 Received: by ll.mit.edu (4.1/LL-1.3) id AA02850; Tue, 29 Nov 94 12:41:04 EST Date: Tue, 29 Nov 94 12:41:04 -0500 From: James Dryfoos To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Problem with bounce command Message-Id: <9411291241.AA22767@LL.MIT.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am experiencing a problem using the bounce command. This used to work for me. Further, it works fine for someone else here. After doing as much detective work as I could I found the problem to be that pine is composing the pinesend tmp file as follows: >From dryfoos Tue Nov 29 09:00:13 1994 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 29 Nov 94 08:59:58 EST From: lprior@ll.mit.edu (Loraine Prior) Message-Id: <9411291359.AA24682@g28-server.group28x> To: g28-members@g28-server Subject: USRobotics courier modem upgrade ReSent-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 12:14:26 -0500 (EST) ReSent-From: James Dryfoos ReSent-To: Kevin McElearney ReSent-Message-ID: Message The first line appears to be the problem. The problem shows itself as a "possible alias loop" error (see example below). So what is adding this? When another user does this same command on this same message this does not happen (that first line is not there). Could it be something in my config? If I just do a normal send this does not happen either. Thanks, - Jim Example error: >From Mailer-Daemon@g28-serverTue Nov 29 12:38:08 1994 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 94 12:15:04 EST From: Mail Delivery Subsystem To: dryfoos@g28-server Subject: Returned mail: Unable to deliver mail ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 554 dryfoos... Possible alias loop 554 No valid recipients ----- Unsent message follows ----- Return-Path: Received: by g28-server.group28x (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29449; Tue, 29 Nov 94 12:15:04 EST Date: Tue, 29 Nov 94 12:15:04 EST From: dryfoos (James D. Dryfoos) Message-Id: <9411291715.AA29449@g28-server.group28x> >From dryfoos Tue Nov 29 09:00:13 1994 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 29 Nov 94 08:59:58 EST From: lprior@ll.mit.edu (Loraine Prior) Message-Id: <9411291359.AA24682@g28-server.group28x> To: g28-members@g28-server Subject: USRobotics courier modem upgrade ReSent-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 12:14:26 -0500 (EST) ReSent-From: James Dryfoos ReSent-To: Kevin McElearney ReSent-Message-ID: Message ========================================================================== James D. Dryfoos | mailto:dryfoos@ll.mit.edu MIT Lincoln Laboratory, Group 28 | 244 Wood Street, MailStop: B-120 | (617) 981-2008 - office Lexington, MA 02173-9108, Earth | (617) 981-0782 - fax ========================================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 29 12:09:23 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16773; Tue, 29 Nov 94 12:09:23 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19090; Tue, 29 Nov 94 11:57:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19084; Tue, 29 Nov 94 11:57:13 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rCYGI-00002PC; Tue, 29 Nov 94 11:30 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mdorman@shadow.net (michael alan dorman) Subject: Re: pine for OS/2! Date: 29 Nov 1994 14:59:59 GMT Message-Id: <3bfflf$cst@anshar.shadow.net> References: In , dsimader@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca (Dieter Simader) writes: > >On Mon, 28 Nov 1994, Chuck Coronella wrote: >> Please, please please! First, I'd like to sort of echo Chuck's thoughts, though maybe to a lesser intensity. >I doubt that there will be a flud of DOS, Windows or whatever users >switching to OS/2. OK. How does your doubt in any way relate to Chuck's posting other than to merely cast aspersion? >OS/2 has its limitations and there isn't enough support for it out there. You could at least append an IMAO to this. Just what are those limitations and what do you mean by "isn't enough support"? >Besides, I believe you can use PC-Pine in a DOS box too. Why should he limit himself? Just to conform to your attitudes? >Maybe ask IBM. Their address for OS/2 is OS2WARP@vnet.ibm.com Your sole suggestion is "Ask IBM because I don't know anything about it?" Why did you respond to this post, Dieter, since you had nothing of value to add? One might think you were trolling, since you spend an awful lot of time making insubstantial allegations against OS/2? Were you trolling? If I were Chuck, I might ask the PINE authors if they've had any experience using one of the several versions of PINE with IBM's TCP/IP for DOS. None of them are explicitly listed as such. I also have not explored the DOS Box interface enough to know if it conforms to something standard like the pktdvr interface, but I suspect it might not. Mike. -- Michael Alan Dorman, Unemployed Computer Genius "You don't know how it feels to be me." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 29 13:56:23 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22022; Tue, 29 Nov 94 13:56:23 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18508; Tue, 29 Nov 94 13:45:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18502; Tue, 29 Nov 94 13:45:52 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rCa1x-000010C; Tue, 29 Nov 94 13:24 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ecmsf@cypress.mcsr.olemiss.edu (Mary S. Freeman) Subject: faq? Date: 29 Nov 1994 21:01:00 GMT Message-Id: <3bg4qc$m38@sunset.backbone.olemiss.edu> Where is the faq for this newsgroup? I'm in desperate need of help. Most every day I'm doing something wrong and losing mail. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 29 15:57:48 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27431; Tue, 29 Nov 94 15:57:48 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24327; Tue, 29 Nov 94 15:47:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24318; Tue, 29 Nov 94 15:47:54 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Wed, 30 Nov 94 07:44:18 -0800 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 07:44:17 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: "Mary S. Freeman" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: faq? In-Reply-To: <3bg4qc$m38@sunset.backbone.olemiss.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 29 Nov 1994, Mary S. Freeman wrote: > Where is the faq for this newsgroup? I'm in desperate need of help. > Most every day I'm doing something wrong and losing mail. You mean you've read all of the extensive on-line help and you still need an FAQ? :-) :-) (Hope you don't need a "smiley" FAQ.) The FAQ can be found at: ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu:/pine/docs There is also a Web URL for the document....but I don't have that handy. Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 29 16:24:41 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28809; Tue, 29 Nov 94 16:24:41 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25049; Tue, 29 Nov 94 16:16:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25043; Tue, 29 Nov 94 16:16:49 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rCcLj-00000AC; Tue, 29 Nov 94 15:52 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: loflin@sirius.cc.utexas.edu (Don Loflin) Subject: Re: pine for OS/2! Date: 29 Nov 1994 10:16:11 -0600 Message-Id: <3bfk4b$p99@sirius.cc.utexas.edu> References: <3bfflf$cst@anshar.shadow.net> >If I were Chuck, I might ask the PINE authors if they've had any experience >using one of the several versions of PINE with IBM's TCP/IP for DOS. None >of them are explicitly listed as such. I also have not explored the DOS >Box interface enough to know if it conforms to something standard like >the pktdvr interface, but I suspect it might not. Back just before the release of Pine 3.90, Farzad Farid and I were working on porting Pine to OS/2, console mode. Actually, he ported 3.89 to OS/2, and I got the newer C-client library working (including mtest). We never did get together & get 3.90 (or 3.91) working under OS/2, but I haven't heard from him in a while. Perhaps he's been busy...? --Don Loflin loflin@mail.utexas.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 29 16:36:27 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29358; Tue, 29 Nov 94 16:36:27 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22313; Tue, 29 Nov 94 16:31:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22307; Tue, 29 Nov 94 16:31:08 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rCcVA-00000DC; Tue, 29 Nov 94 16:02 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Access this IMAP resource (net-happenings mailing list) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 09:03:43 -0800 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: You can also specify a folder-collection of *{imap.mid.net/anonymous}pub/NET/[] to get the entire archive in a collection. That way you can browse much more easily. Note that this syntax is specific to c-client based packages like Pine and may be different on other IMAP clients. The syntax will also change in a future version of c-client/Pine... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Mon, 28 Nov 1994, Paul H Kramer wrote: > Date: Mon, 28 NOV 1994 16:31:43 -0600 > From: Paul H Kramer > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Access this IMAP resource (net-happenings mailing list) > > MIDnet now provides "IMAP" access to all contributions mailed to the > net-happenings mailing list. This means if you have a mail client that > is imap-compliant (i.e., pine), you may read the latest articles off > MIDnet's IMAP server. By offering this kind of access, you don't have to > subscribe to net-happenings yourself, just rely on MIDnet to provide you > the articles. The format for accessing an IMAP server is: > > *{imap.mid.net/anonymous}pub/NET/yy-mm-dd > > where you replace yy with "94", mm with "11", "10", etc and dd with "01", > "11", etc. > > For example, after you press "g" in pine (for the "go-to" command), you > would enter the above string like this: > > *{imap.mid.net/anonymous}pub/NET/94-11-21 > > If you have comments or suggestions on how this service might be improved, > send mail to nic@mid.net. > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 29 17:40:01 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02711; Tue, 29 Nov 94 17:40:01 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26843; Tue, 29 Nov 94 17:31:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26837; Tue, 29 Nov 94 17:31:40 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rCdYX-00000AC; Tue, 29 Nov 94 17:10 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Access this IMAP resource (net-happenings mailing list) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 16:59:50 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On 29 Nov 1994, Jeffrey C. Ollie wrote: > >>"D" == David L Miller writes: > D> You can also specify a folder-collection of > D> *{imap.mid.net/anonymous}pub/NET/[] > > I was unable to get Pine (3.91 + patch to bezerk.c on NeXT 3.0) to open this. > I believe that the forked rsh process is hanging. However, if I use: > > *{imap.mid.net:143/anonymous}pub/NET/[] > > it works just spiffily. Would it be possible to put in an option to disable > rsh imap login for those of us with a brain-dead rsh that hangs? Are you *sure* that you had /anonymous in the folder collection? rsh access is supposed to be disabled when /anonymous is used. If it still tried rsh in spite of /anonymous, this is a bug (and please report it to pine-bugs). The ":143" *is* the option to disable rsh! Yeah, I know, we need a somewhat more intuitive interface... ;-) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 29 18:52:26 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04722; Tue, 29 Nov 94 18:52:26 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24750; Tue, 29 Nov 94 18:31:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24744; Tue, 29 Nov 94 18:31:22 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rCeV6-00000BC; Tue, 29 Nov 94 18:10 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Brad Subject: Re: PC-Pine creates wrong mail-folders!? Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 17:38:05 +0000 Message-Id: References: <3bf8bi$8nr@surz03.HRZ.Uni-Marburg.DE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3bf8bi$8nr@surz03.HRZ.Uni-Marburg.DE> Maybe Pine looks at the value of umask...? You could try (from UNIX): umask 0077 Which will set the permissions of any new file created to rw for user. On 29 Nov 1994, Herbert Gasiorowski wrote: > When saving mail to a new folder, a file is created in ~/Mail but afterwards > pine complains about wrong file format (or something like that). > > Looking into the mail directory shows a new file *without*any* permissions! > After changing the permission to rw for user, mail can be saved by PC-Pine > without Problems. > > Does anyone knows the problem and a solution ? > Is it a Pine or a imap fault or ... ? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 29 19:18:47 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05413; Tue, 29 Nov 94 19:18:47 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28196; Tue, 29 Nov 94 19:01:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28188; Tue, 29 Nov 94 19:01:26 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rCevS-00000HC; Tue, 29 Nov 94 18:37 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: PC-Pine creates wrong mail-folders!? Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 13:58:40 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3bf8bi$8nr@surz03.HRZ.Uni-Marburg.DE> There is a known bug in c-client last spring that caused this, that may be in your imapd. Try updating from the version in Pine 3.91. -- Mark -- On 29 Nov 1994, Herbert Gasiorowski wrote: > > When saving mail to a new folder, a file is created in ~/Mail but afterwards > pine complains about wrong file format (or something like that). > > Looking into the mail directory shows a new file *without*any* permissions! > After changing the permission to rw for user, mail can be saved by PC-Pine > without Problems. > > Does anyone knows the problem and a solution ? > Is it a Pine or a imap fault or ... ? > > Thanks in advance > > Herbert Gasiorowski From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 29 19:39:29 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05877; Tue, 29 Nov 94 19:39:29 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25474; Tue, 29 Nov 94 19:21:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25468; Tue, 29 Nov 94 19:21:26 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rCfFU-000008C; Tue, 29 Nov 94 18:58 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: eliot@barclay.harvard.edu (Eliot Shepard) Subject: mh-style folders in pine? Message-Id: Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 19:29:57 GMT Hello. Does pine yet support mh-style folders for mail storage? ie. can a folder be a directory off ~/mail and each message be an individual file within, as opposed to all glommed together? thanks, Eliot -- Eliot Shepard Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory shepard@cfa.harvard.edu #include http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~eliot/eshepard.html sharing a cigarette with a leper, a cigar with a leperette -pitchfork From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 29 19:52:11 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06216; Tue, 29 Nov 94 19:52:11 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28639; Tue, 29 Nov 94 19:31:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28633; Tue, 29 Nov 94 19:31:22 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rCfNv-00000AC; Tue, 29 Nov 94 19:07 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hkuo@violet.berkeley.edu (Henry Kuo) Subject: Suggestion for Pine Date: 29 Nov 1994 18:01:59 GMT Message-Id: <3bfqan$74g@agate.berkeley.edu> Hi there: Is that possible to use arrow keys to control pine just like in gopher? It would be very convenient to use arrow keys to go into and leave index and menu. Thanks!! Henry From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 29 20:07:32 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06481; Tue, 29 Nov 94 20:07:32 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25793; Tue, 29 Nov 94 19:44:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25787; Tue, 29 Nov 94 19:44:49 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rCfXi-000006C; Tue, 29 Nov 94 19:17 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jht@hookomo.aloha.net (James H. Thompson) Subject: Alternate msg viewer Date: 30 Nov 1994 01:15:32 GMT Message-Id: <3bgjnk$nu9@nuhou.aloha.net> I'm attempting to use an alternate message viewer with PINE. I wrote a simple perl program that takes a msg on stdin and encodes any URL's it finds into HTML and fires up LYNX on the resulting file. I tried launching this using both the PINE | command and the PINE user defined printer. Both of them seem to take the output of lynx and show it with the built-in PINE viewer. Is there some way to set it up so lynx actually gets control of the screen? Here is the program I was used: #!/usr/bin/perl $out_file = "jview_tmp.html"; open (JV, ">$out_file"); print JV "\n"; while (<>) { chop if m/\n$/; s/(http:\S+)/\1<\/a>/; s/(ftp:\S+)/\1<\/a>/; print JV $_, "\n"; } print JV "\n"; close JV; system ("lynx $out_file"); -- Jim jht@aloha.net From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 29 20:34:16 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07233; Tue, 29 Nov 94 20:34:16 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29277; Tue, 29 Nov 94 20:13:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29271; Tue, 29 Nov 94 20:13:34 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rCg3D-000006C; Tue, 29 Nov 94 19:49 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: yehavi@vms.huji.ac.il (Yehavi Bourvine (58-4279)) Subject: RE: Pine VMS port. Message-Id: <1994Nov29.192648.530@vms.huji.ac.il> Date: 29 Nov 94 19:26:47 GMT References: ,noid > Who is currently maintaining pine port to vms ? > There appear to be a few things wrong with 3.90-vms.b1 but I could't > find an address in the source/docs > help says that vms bugs should be sent to authors directly. > Do I post here..? I am now working on porting the 3,91 version. The other ported version is 3.89; the 3.90 is "half baked" and will be removed as soon as I have the 3.91 working. Please direct the comments directly to me. There is also a commercial port of it by the Innosoft people. __Yehavi: From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 29 21:03:13 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07894; Tue, 29 Nov 94 21:03:13 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26504; Tue, 29 Nov 94 20:36:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26498; Tue, 29 Nov 94 20:36:32 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rCgRB-000006C; Tue, 29 Nov 94 20:14 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Windows Pine and SLIP/PPP Date: 29 Nov 1994 19:22:42 GMT Message-Id: <3bfv22$jjh@news.halcyon.com> Hi All, Is it possible to set Windows Pine up over a SLIP or PPP connection? If so, do you have any words of wisdom for setting this up? Thanks much, Nancy (finally entering the world of GUI Internet!) -- /\_/\ ( o.o ) Nancy McGough > ^ < Infinite Ink From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 29 21:56:22 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09035; Tue, 29 Nov 94 21:56:22 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00443; Tue, 29 Nov 94 21:36:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00437; Tue, 29 Nov 94 21:36:41 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rChNy-00000DC; Tue, 29 Nov 94 21:15 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jollie@odie.weeg.uiowa.edu (Jeffrey C. Ollie) Subject: Re: Access this IMAP resource (net-happenings mailing list) Date: 29 Nov 1994 18:30:53 GMT Message-Id: References: In-Reply-To: David L Miller's message of Tue, 29 Nov 1994 09:03:43 -0800 >>"D" == David L Miller writes: D> D> You can also specify a folder-collection of D> D> *{imap.mid.net/anonymous}pub/NET/[] D> D> to get the entire archive in a collection. That way you can browse much more D> easily. D> D> Note that this syntax is specific to c-client based packages like Pine and D> may be different on other IMAP clients. The syntax will also change in a D> future version of c-client/Pine... I was unable to get Pine (3.91 + patch to bezerk.c on NeXT 3.0) to open this. I believe that the forked rsh process is hanging. However, if I use: *{imap.mid.net:143/anonymous}pub/NET/[] it works just spiffily. Would it be possible to put in an option to disable rsh imap login for those of us with a brain-dead rsh that hangs? >>"P" == Paul H Kramer writes: P> Newgroups: comp.mail.pine P> Subject: Access this IMAP resource (net-happenings mailing list) P> P> MIDnet now provides "IMAP" access to all contributions mailed to the P> net-happenings mailing list. This means if you have a mail client that P> is imap-compliant (i.e., pine), you may read the latest articles off P> MIDnet's IMAP server. By offering this kind of access, you don't have to P> subscribe to net-happenings yourself, just rely on MIDnet to provide you P> the articles. The format for accessing an IMAP server is: P> P> *{imap.mid.net/anonymous}pub/NET/yy-mm-dd P> P> where you replace yy with "94", mm with "11", "10", etc and dd with "01", P> "11", etc. P> P> For example, after you press "g" in pine (for the "go-to" command), you P> would enter the above string like this: P> P> *{imap.mid.net/anonymous}pub/NET/94-11-21 P> P> If you have comments or suggestions on how this service might be improved, P> send mail to nic@mid.net. -- Jeffrey C. Ollie E-Mail: jeffrey-ollie@uiowa.edu GCS d-- H s:+>s g+ !p au+ a- w+ v+ C++$ UA++ P++(+++) L+ 3 E+ N++ K- W--- M+ V- po- Y+ t++(+) 5+(+++) j R G? tv+ b+++(++) D+ B-- e++ u---(-) h f+ r++ n- y+ TIS/PEM Key: on request (preferred) PGP Key: finger jollie@odie.weeg.uiowa.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 29 22:03:05 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09197; Tue, 29 Nov 94 22:03:05 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27410; Tue, 29 Nov 94 21:45:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27404; Tue, 29 Nov 94 21:45:20 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rChS6-00000LC; Tue, 29 Nov 94 21:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tgpt_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Thomas Guptill) Subject: Re: Access this IMAP resource (net-happenings mailing list) Message-Id: <1994Nov29.185205.12169@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> References: Date: Tue, 29 Nov 94 18:52:05 GMT Note that this will also not work at all for those people using VMS Pine gatewayed through VMS mail for outgoing mail (i.e. those people who don't have a supported network protocol and are running Pine/VMS). You remember us -- we're the people who can't read news. :) Tom -- | Tom Guptill | | CPU Box 277445 UoR | | Rochester, NY 14627 tgpt_ltd@UORDBV | | GMT-5h (716) 274-3210 I don't speak for UCC from this account. | From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 29 22:03:58 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09228; Tue, 29 Nov 94 22:03:58 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00591; Tue, 29 Nov 94 21:46:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00585; Tue, 29 Nov 94 21:46:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rChYo-00000MC; Tue, 29 Nov 94 21:26 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pjh@tecoma.mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) Subject: Saving Mail Messages and Other Complaints Message-Id: Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 19:21:38 GMT When I save a mail message to a file, pine (3.91) forces me to use an absolute pathname instead of $HOME/something or ~/something. Did I overlook a configurable parameteror is this pine's behavior? Also, it owuld be nice if pine cached the folder list, as it seems to take her as long time to reread and redisplay it. Thanks, Pete From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Nov 29 22:33:14 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10087; Tue, 29 Nov 94 22:33:14 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27834; Tue, 29 Nov 94 22:16:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27828; Tue, 29 Nov 94 22:16:50 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rCi19-000006C; Tue, 29 Nov 94 21:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sdorner@qualcomm.com (Steve Dorner) Subject: Re: Eudora still binhexes (was: Re: Will Pine Ever be Intelligent?) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 19:39:14 -0600 Message-Id: References: <3b0bql$mab@sirius.cc.utexas.edu> <3bd42k$lie@sirius.cc.utexas.edu> In article <3bd42k$lie@sirius.cc.utexas.edu>, loflin@sirius.cc.utexas.edu (Don Loflin) wrote: > please explain why Eudora *should* allow Binhex for outgoing messages. Because that's what a large percentage of the pre-MIME installed base is using. I can't ignore the need to send data to all those users. There is also the fact that BinHex's checksum is much more convenient to compute than content-md5, and we do have quite a few users running over non-guaranteed-clean channels. Sure wish there were a way to put the MD5 at the END of the body part rather than the beginning. > Well, there must be a bug in 1.4.3 Eudora, because I did several > experiments sending Excel and Word documents and always, if I left > "send as Mac documents" unchecked (but AppleDouble was selected instead > of binhex), the document was sent using binhex instead of appledouble+ Well, I dunno what to say. That's certainly not what MY copy of 1.4.3 does. I tested it then, and I retested it just now. You can get Base64 with BinHex selected (if you set the mapping tables up that way), but nothing will induce Eudora to use BinHex if you have AppleDouble selected. Except, evidently, space aliens in Texas. :-) > but still expect their documents to be sent using AppleDouble when they > select that. Like I said, it does. > As for type information, where there isn't already an "application/xxx" > type, how about including the info in the Content-Description (i.e > "Macintosh Excel Document")? The RFC reads to me like Content-Description is supposed to be about the content, rather than the type, of the body part. I think such usage would be unconventional at best. > I'm just saying it should > prefer using AppleDouble over Binhex. Someday it will. Perhaps even soon. Currently, we're too concerned about compatibility with non-MIME mailers to make the switch. -- Steve Dorner, Qualcomm Inc. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 30 01:20:35 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14422; Wed, 30 Nov 94 01:20:35 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03495; Wed, 30 Nov 94 01:17:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03489; Wed, 30 Nov 94 01:17:02 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rCkjJ-00000EC; Wed, 30 Nov 94 00:49 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: henrym@sacto.mp.usbr.gov Subject: Accessing new groups from Pine Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 08:13:43 GMT Message-Id: <0098836F.B3921424@sacto.mp.usbr.gov> I've had a question from one of our users concerning finding out what new netnews groups are available. From looking at the documentation, it appears that Pine can be made to access the /usr/lib/news/active file to get the information concerning newgroups. However, in our case, the client and server are on different machines. Is there a way to set this up? We are running Pine 3.91 and INN 1.4. Best regards, -HWM ---------- Henry W. Miller Assistant Systems and Network Manager U.S. Bureau of Reclamation, Mid Pacific Region 2800 Cottage Way MP1130 Sacramento, CA 95825 (916) 978-5108 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 30 03:40:21 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18071; Wed, 30 Nov 94 03:40:21 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02006; Wed, 30 Nov 94 03:32:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02000; Wed, 30 Nov 94 03:32:46 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rCmxp-000006C; Wed, 30 Nov 94 03:12 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: fred@dbx.ml.ee (Fred New) Subject: Re: Suggestion for Pine Date: 30 Nov 1994 09:53:07 GMT Message-Id: <3bhi23$1cl@horos.kbfi.ee> References: <3bfqan$74g@agate.berkeley.edu> While we're discussing this, how about being able to use the Page-Up and Page-Down keys? Or having the Delete key be different from the Backspace key in Pico? I like the paragraph formatting feature of Pico, but I don't like moving the cursor after a character so I can delete it. I'm using a pre-compiled version of Pine on SCO Unix 3.2v4.2, so I don't know if this is a pre- or post-compile configuration option. I've looked around for documentation on this but haven't found anything. -- ss------------------------------------------------------------------------ss Fred New, Systems Administrator (This space intentionally filled in.) IC Systems | Sakala 19 | Tallinn EE0001 | Estonia Internet--fred@ml.ee voice--(372) 6-308-900 fax--(372) 6-308-901 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 30 05:23:53 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21351; Wed, 30 Nov 94 05:23:53 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03633; Wed, 30 Nov 94 05:17:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from alpha.Teleglobe.CA by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03627; Wed, 30 Nov 94 05:17:40 -0800 Received: by alpha.Teleglobe.CA (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA17121; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 08:17:40 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 08:17:40 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Thibaudeau To: Nancy McGough Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Windows Pine and SLIP/PPP In-Reply-To: <3bfv22$jjh@news.halcyon.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 29 Nov 1994, Nancy McGough wrote: > Is it possible to set Windows Pine up over a SLIP or PPP connection? > If so, do you have any words of wisdom for setting this up? Note that Windows Pine is labeled PC-Pine for Windows3.1/Winsock. This means that it would work with any Winsock compliant TCP/IP stack. There are numerous Winsock implementations that supports both LAN and serial (SLIP/PPP) connections. Among all of these, the famous Trumpet WINSOCK. And PC-Pine-W works perfectly on it without any special setting for beeing over a serial connection. As usual, there is no magic. -- Pierre Thibaudeau | e-mail: TELEGLOBE CANADA | 1000, rue de La Gauchetiere ouest | Tel: +1-514-868-7538 Montreal, Qc H3B 4X5 | Canada | fax: +1-514-868-7257 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 30 05:28:06 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21498; Wed, 30 Nov 94 05:28:06 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07031; Wed, 30 Nov 94 05:24:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07025; Wed, 30 Nov 94 05:24:30 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rCof2-00000DC; Wed, 30 Nov 94 05:01 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sutton@owlnet.rice.edu (Robert Allan Sutton) Subject: Re: help! carriage return problems? Date: 30 Nov 1994 03:53:32 GMT Message-Id: <3bgsvs$r90@larry.rice.edu> References: In article , Mark Crispin wrote: >Your NeXT system has a broken telnet server. Most NeXTs do. > >Try replacing the /usr/etc/telnetd binary with the fixed version on >ftp.cac.washington.edu:pub/next-fix/telnetd > > >On 23 Nov 1994, Richard S Guse wrote: >> I recently compiled pine3.91 on a next system running MachBSD. I used >> the command 'build nxt' and it built just fine. It tests out fine on the >> NeXTs. However, connecting to that computer from a macintosh (IIci) running >> system 7.0.1, everytime I hit 'return' to input a field in the compose sectio n >> (ie: to, Cc, Subject,Attchmnt), it asks for an attachment. Control-C only >> works correctly if I set the interrupt-process control-character to something >> other than control-c. Why is this? oh, I'm connecting via telnet through >> NCSA Telnet 2.6. >> do the macintoshes have a different CR-LF set-up? I connected to a pine >> I know works, and it worked just fine, so it must be specific to my program. >> Anyone know anything that I need to change? I'd like to get it working >> correctly before installing it. Thanks lots, Scott. I'd be very interested in hearing if this actually fixes the problem. We have noticed the exact same symptoms here on one of our BSDI systems. The problem only occurs from certain Macintosh clients. However, those same clients can connect to other systems with no problems, and other machines can connect to our BSDI system and run pine (and pico) with no problems. Perhaps someone (Mark?) could explain just exactly what it is that is broken in the NeXT telnetd and whether the problem has also been seen elesewhere. I looked at file Mark mentions above, however it does not include any explanation or source code or I might try to compile it here. If anyone has any insights as to what is going on, I would be very appreciative. Thanks, Allan Sutton asutton@tenagra.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 30 06:02:42 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23071; Wed, 30 Nov 94 06:02:42 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04226; Wed, 30 Nov 94 05:48:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04217; Wed, 30 Nov 94 05:48:42 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rCoxS-000006C; Wed, 30 Nov 94 05:20 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: fred@dbx.ml.ee (Fred New) Subject: Re: Suggestion for Pine Date: 30 Nov 1994 11:20:14 GMT Message-Id: <3bhn5e$2ju@horos.kbfi.ee> References: <3bfqan$74g@agate.berkeley.edu> <3bhi23$1cl@horos.kbfi.ee> Ooooooooooops! I whined too soon. I found a few of my answers in ftp: ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/docs/tech-notes.txt. Sorry guys. I'm looking forward to be able to use my Delete key someday. -- ss------------------------------------------------------------------------ss Fred New, Systems Administrator (This space intentionally filled in.) IC Systems | Sakala 19 | Tallinn EE0001 | Estonia Internet--fred@ml.ee voice--(372) 6-308-900 fax--(372) 6-308-901 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 30 06:05:28 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23439; Wed, 30 Nov 94 06:05:28 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07718; Wed, 30 Nov 94 05:53:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from LL.MIT.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07712; Wed, 30 Nov 94 05:52:58 -0800 Received: by ll.mit.edu (4.1/LL-1.3) id AA15347; Wed, 30 Nov 94 08:46:55 EST Date: Wed, 30 Nov 94 08:46:55 -0500 From: James Dryfoos To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Problem with bounce command In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <9411300846.AA03536@LL.MIT.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 29 Nov 1994, James Dryfoos wrote: > I am experiencing a problem using the bounce command. This used to work > for me. Further, it works fine for someone else here. After doing as > much detective work as I could I found the problem to be that pine is > composing the pinesend tmp file as follows: > > >From dryfoos Tue Nov 29 09:00:13 1994 I have resolved this problem. Pine was not adding the line above. Procmail was adding it to all incoming mail and when I bounced using Pine it simply retained it. Sorry for the false alarm. Thanks, -- Jim ========================================================================== James D. Dryfoos | mailto:dryfoos@ll.mit.edu MIT Lincoln Laboratory, Group 28 | 244 Wood Street, MailStop: B-120 | (617) 981-2008 - office Lexington, MA 02173-9108, Earth | (617) 981-0782 - fax ========================================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 30 06:09:55 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23676; Wed, 30 Nov 94 06:09:55 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08165; Wed, 30 Nov 94 06:03:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from plumtree.async.vt.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08155; Wed, 30 Nov 94 06:03:47 -0800 Received: by java (Smail3.1.28.1 #18) id m0rCksD-000B58C; Wed, 30 Nov 94 03:58 EST Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 03:58:48 -0500 (EST) From: Laurence Lundblade X-Sender: lgl@java To: Nancy McGough Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Windows Pine and SLIP/PPP In-Reply-To: <3bfv22$jjh@news.halcyon.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sure, it works pretty well. I've run both Windows Pine and regular UNIX Pine with IMAP over a SLIP link, and even do proxy IMAP over two SLIP links at once. (Proxy is something like {java.island-resort.com}{csgrad.cs.vt.edu}inbox ) I've found Windows Pine to be slow to read mail in some cases because it doesn't build the full cache that Unix Pine does. Sorting large mailboxes is almost out of the question with Windows Pine, but it's fine with UNIX Pine. I know it's impossible to increase the cache for DOS, but it would be a big improvement for Windows. Heck my copy of Frame maker pages continuously even if it's the only thing running in 8Mb, so their precidence for using vast amounts of memory. Composing with windows Pine is quite different. It's extremely snappy! LL On 29 Nov 1994, Nancy McGough wrote: > Hi All, > > Is it possible to set Windows Pine up over a SLIP or PPP connection? > If so, do you have any words of wisdom for setting this up? > > Thanks much, > Nancy (finally entering the world of GUI Internet!) > > -- > /\_/\ > ( o.o ) Nancy McGough > > ^ < Infinite Ink > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 30 06:39:00 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24821; Wed, 30 Nov 94 06:39:00 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05449; Wed, 30 Nov 94 06:31:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05440; Wed, 30 Nov 94 06:31:03 -0800 Received: by watsun.cc.columbia.edu id AA04033 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Wed, 30 Nov 1994 09:30:45 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 94 9:30:31 EST From: Joe Brennan Subject: Re: help! carriage return problems? In-Reply-To: Your message of 30 Nov 1994 03:53:32 GMT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: >> However, connecting to that computer from a macintosh (IIci) running >> system 7.0.1, everytime I hit 'return' to input a field in the >> compose section (ie: to, Cc, Subject,Attchmnt), it asks for an attachment. Pine is getting control-j when you press return. We have the same thing on Mac NCSA Telnet connecting to SunOS hosts. It appears to be something in our terminal servers or SunOS; Mark Crispin tells me it's probably the SunOS telnetd. We modified pine so ^J is the same as ^M and other control letters do what ^J does in standard pine. Last time I mentioned this, the pine folks didn't want the mods and just told us to change telnetd. Control-j does mean newline in every other context I can think of. Joseph Brennan Academic Information Systems Columbia University in the City of New York brennan@columbia.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 30 06:39:22 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24853; Wed, 30 Nov 94 06:39:22 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08757; Wed, 30 Nov 94 06:31:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08751; Wed, 30 Nov 94 06:31:22 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rCpe6-00000DC; Wed, 30 Nov 94 06:04 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: faridf6@cti.ecp.fr (Farzad Farid) Subject: Re: pine for OS/2! Date: 30 Nov 1994 11:19:10 GMT Message-Id: <3bhn3e$juu@piston.ecp.fr> References: <3bfflf$cst@anshar.shadow.net> <3bfk4b$p99@sirius.cc.utexas.edu> Don Loflin (loflin@sirius.cc.utexas.edu) wrote: > Back just before the release of Pine 3.90, Farzad Farid and I were working on > porting Pine to OS/2, console mode. Actually, he ported 3.89 to OS/2, and > I got the newer C-client library working (including mtest). We never did > get together & get 3.90 (or 3.91) working under OS/2, but I haven't heard > from him in a while. Perhaps he's been busy...? Here I am, back from my trainship at IBM Research :) I've got a working port of Pine 3.89 under OS/2, I've used it without any loss of mail for a few months. But the port is not very clean though and imap has not been tested at all. Unfortunately I don't run OS/2 anymore for the moment and I have no time yet to work on another port. I've got an archive of my pine sources archived in a zip file I can't even read (HPFS needed). If anyone wants it, just email me and I'll make it available by FTP. -- /----------------------------------------------------------\ | Farzad FARID | | faridf6@cti.ecp.fr Ecole Centrale Paris | | | | There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: | | LSD and Unix. We don't believe this to be a coincidence | | Jeremy S. Anderson | \----------------------------------------------------------/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 30 06:45:43 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25034; Wed, 30 Nov 94 06:45:43 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08934; Wed, 30 Nov 94 06:40:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08928; Wed, 30 Nov 94 06:40:20 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rCprP-000006C; Wed, 30 Nov 94 06:18 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ccx009@rowan.coventry.ac.uk (Adam Bentley) Subject: A secure version of pine 3.91 ? Date: 30 Nov 1994 11:30:49 -0000 Message-Id: <3bhnp9$cbt@rowan.coventry.ac.uk> Hi, has anyone out there done any work on producing a 'secure' pine. I am currently doing so and have had some success. Amongst the things I want to prevent are. 1. Saving messages into folders outside of ~/mail (done) 2. Piping/Suspending not allowed (done). 3. Stop the file lister allowing you to leave your home directory by utilising ".." (not done). It's the last one that I'm having most problems with as I'm not sure exactly what I should be modifying. Can anyone out there advise on how I might acheive this kind of functionality with the viewer. I need to be able to stop them leaving their $HOME for either ^R -read file or when adding attachments. Any help appreciated..... If there is enough interest I can summarise replies to the group. cheers. -- _ /-\dam ------------------------------------------------------------------------- FLESH: Adam Bentley, Systems/Networking, Coventry University. UK INET : A.Bentley@coventry.ac.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------- #include ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 30 06:46:45 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25138; Wed, 30 Nov 94 06:46:45 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05607; Wed, 30 Nov 94 06:40:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05601; Wed, 30 Nov 94 06:40:17 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rCppj-00000EC; Wed, 30 Nov 94 06:16 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: febcomth@ksc.au.ac.th (David Huntley) Subject: Re: Unix Pine - Setup problems with Wyse 60 terminals Date: 30 Nov 1994 12:04:16 GMT Message-Id: <3bhpo0$cum@senior.nectec.or.th> References: Fred Firestine (fredf@aps.org) wrote: : Hi, : Using Pine 3.91 and loving it... We have a couple of folks here using : Wyse 60 terminals, connected to an Annex terminal server which is in turn : connected to our Sequent system running Dynix/ptx. When they go into : Pine, they have screen display problems, i.e. "ghost" images of the : prompts appear to the right of the From: and To" fields after information : is entered. In addition, they cannot use their arrow keys; they are : recognized as control character sequences. I realize this is probably a : setup problem in terminfo or our terminal server; but I would appreciate : it if someone with a similar environment can lend a hand. : Since I have no direct Usenet access, I would appreciate if you could : reply to me directly. : Thanks, and keep up the good work! : Fred Firestine : Programmer/Analyst : The American Physical Society : Woodbury, NY From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 30 06:53:22 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25549; Wed, 30 Nov 94 06:53:22 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05841; Wed, 30 Nov 94 06:47:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from eryx.syr.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05811; Wed, 30 Nov 94 06:47:20 -0800 Received: by ericir.syr.edu (4.1/1.0-6/5/90) id AA00967; Wed, 30 Nov 94 09:46:31 EST Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 09:46:24 -0500 (EST) From: Virtual Dave To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Alias loop HELP! In-Reply-To: <3bhn5e$2ju@horos.kbfi.ee> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII HELP! Everything was working fine, and then suddenly I start getting the following errors (as do my users): [Writing Fcc...]rdlankes... Possible alias loop Note, I wasn't sending mail to myself, nor is there an alias for rdlankes in /etc/aliases or in my addressbook. I then get a Mail Delivery Subsystem error saying I didn't have any valid recipients. This happens both in 3.91 and 3.90 If it's a sendmail problem I can't find it. ........................................................... : "Virtual" Dave Lankes rdlankes@ericir.syr.edu : : AskERIC Researcher "This is not your father's Internet" : : School of Information Studies Syracuse University : ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 30 07:31:24 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26759; Wed, 30 Nov 94 07:31:24 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06538; Wed, 30 Nov 94 07:22:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from eryx.syr.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06531; Wed, 30 Nov 94 07:22:40 -0800 Received: from ericir.syr.edu. by ericir.syr.edu (4.1/1.0-6/5/90) id AA01615; Wed, 30 Nov 94 10:21:55 EST Received: from ericir.syr.edu by ericir.syr.edu. (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA01153; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 10:22:23 +0500 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 10:22:23 -0500 (EST) From: Virtual Dave To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Alias loop HELP! In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 408 It appears that setting a value for SMTP in the Configurations menu fixes the problem...don't know why. ........................................................... : "Virtual" Dave Lankes rdlankes@ericir.syr.edu : : AskERIC Researcher "This is not your father's Internet" : : School of Information Studies Syracuse University : ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 30 07:31:52 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26797; Wed, 30 Nov 94 07:31:52 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09739; Wed, 30 Nov 94 07:18:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09733; Wed, 30 Nov 94 07:18:19 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rCqPz-000006C; Wed, 30 Nov 94 06:54 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jtbell@presby.edu (Jon Bell) Subject: Re: How to change the NAME in Pine? Message-Id: Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 12:38:49 GMT References: >On Tue, 15 Nov 1994, Jason Jagatic wrote: >> Also, one other question. Is it possible to set PICO to use more than >> 24 screen lines? My display is 48 and it looks really cheesy... >> Thanks. Try giving the following command at your UNIX prompt: stty rows 48 It works for me under DG/UX. -- Jon Bell Presbyterian College Dept. of Physics and Computer Science Clinton, South Carolina USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 30 07:38:43 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27059; Wed, 30 Nov 94 07:38:43 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06688; Wed, 30 Nov 94 07:31:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06682; Wed, 30 Nov 94 07:31:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rCqcQ-00000DC; Wed, 30 Nov 94 07:06 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mdorman@shadow.net (michael alan dorman) Subject: Re: pine for OS/2! Date: 30 Nov 1994 12:52:53 GMT Message-Id: <3bhsj5$5dm@anshar.shadow.net> References: <3bfflf$cst@anshar.shadow.net> <3bfk4b$p99@sirius.cc.utexas.edu> <3bhn3e$juu@piston.ecp.fr> >I've got a working port of Pine 3.89 under OS/2, I've used it without >any loss of mail for a few months. But the port is not very clean >though and imap has not been tested at all. Um, what compiler were you using? I use C/Set++, and wouldn't want to continue this if it meant working with emx/gcc -- not that I have anything against emx, it's just that I don't have enough diskspace to keep two compilers around. Other than that, I'd be interested in trying to fit the changes you made to 3.89 to 3.91 and generally bringing OS/2 support up to date (and maybe even into the realm of "supported platform"). However, I have a sinking feeling that it'd require emx... Mike. -- Michael Alan Dorman, Unemployed Computer Genius "You don't know how it feels to be me." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 30 12:30:39 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10725; Wed, 30 Nov 94 12:30:39 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16653; Wed, 30 Nov 94 12:23:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16647; Wed, 30 Nov 94 12:23:34 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rCvBp-00000BC; Wed, 30 Nov 94 11:59 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dbloom@badlands.NoDak.edu (Deborah R Bloom) Subject: comp.mail.pine Message-Id: Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 18:27:42 GMT From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 30 12:46:39 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11228; Wed, 30 Nov 94 12:46:39 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13827; Wed, 30 Nov 94 12:38:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13821; Wed, 30 Nov 94 12:38:43 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rCvQd-000006C; Wed, 30 Nov 94 12:15 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Laurence Lundblade Subject: E-mail filtering, routing, pre-sorting design Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 05:21:25 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Greetings, For work on my MS thesis I'm adding features for dealing with large amounts of e-mail to Pine. I'm trying some new and unconventional design methodologies (scenario-based design) and would like to solicit your help a bit if I may. I'm looking for input from general e-mail users, designers and experts. Hopefully a working result will be publically available when I'm all done. I'm going about this by collecting real life narratives or stories to better understand the situations people are in, and in order to getter a better understanding of the users goals, their constraints and their context. These stories will be the starting points of the design. I'll modify the stories or create new ones to reflect use of new features in the system I design, so I'm effectively designing the interaction scenario instead of just the program. Here's what I'm looking for in terms of contributions. In particular I'd like to hear about experiences with the ";" or "Select" command in Pine, but am interested in hearing about other mailers too. * Describe an actual situation that happened or is happening * Write in the first person * It's OK to ramble * If you want include social/workplace context, computer system constraints * Include suggestions if you have some * Example: "I always like to respond to my best client's e-mail as quickly as possible, but I didn't always notive their messages among my other e-mail. I finally figured out how to show messages from their addresses in red. This was hard to figure out in this mail program. (It's called "Planet-mail")." Send the story, suggestions, discussion, narrative, etc to me at: lgl@csgrad.cs.vt.edu You can also use the input form on my web home page: http://oneworld.wa.com/laurence/xscenario.html There's bit more info on scenario based design and the scenarios I've collected so far on the Web page too. Thanks very much! Laurence Lundblade LGL@CSGrad.CS.VT.EDU (and a few other addresses) http://oneworld.wa.com/laurence/home.html Virginia Tech CS -- Blacksburg, Virginia, US -- 703-552-2537 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 30 17:09:18 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24534; Wed, 30 Nov 94 17:09:18 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20359; Wed, 30 Nov 94 17:00:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from andromeda.cp.dias.ie by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20353; Wed, 30 Nov 94 17:00:11 -0800 Received: from cp.dias.ie by andromeda.cp.dias.ie with SMTP (PP) id <18484-0@andromeda.cp.dias.ie>; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 00:48:31 +0000 Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 00:48:29 +0000 (GMT) From: Wai Ming Tai X-Sender: wai@andromeda To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: customised printing in PCPINE Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, I wonder if it is possible to define a dos batch file for PCPINE to print rather than sending the output to the local printer. I would like to use the lpr print command through the dos batch instead! Regards, Wai-Ming Tai. ====================================================================== | Mr. Wai-Ming Tai | E-mail: School of Cosmic Physics, | Internet: wai@cp.dias.ie The Dublin Institute for Advanced Studies, | SPAN: 29522::WAI 5 Merrion Square, Dublin 2. | IRELAND | Tel: +353-1-6621333 FAX: +353-1-6621477 | ====================================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 30 18:36:25 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29893; Wed, 30 Nov 94 18:36:25 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25244; Wed, 30 Nov 94 18:30:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25238; Wed, 30 Nov 94 18:30:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rD0yI-00000BC; Wed, 30 Nov 94 18:10 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Gildas PERROT Subject: General setting of printer Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 10:41:07 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, As root, I would like to set the printer variable in the general configuration file (which is /usr/local/lib/pine.conf for me) to be 'lp' instead of 'lpr' (I am on SGI, System V). If I modify a variable in the pine.conf, the users see the changes if they haven't change themselves this variable in their .pinerc. However, the change of 'printer' in pine.conf is not seen by users. Any idea about this problem ? Thanks in advance. Gildas. # Gildas PERROT, Associe de recherche # Ecole Polytechnique # Institut de Genie Biomedical # C.P. 6079, Succ. Centre-Ville __o # e-mail: perrot@grbb.polymtl.ca # Montreal H3C3A7, Canada ------ \<, # Tel: (514) 340-4184 # Fax: (514) 340-4611 ------ (*)/ (*) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 30 20:33:22 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02939; Wed, 30 Nov 94 20:33:22 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24142; Wed, 30 Nov 94 20:29:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24136; Wed, 30 Nov 94 20:29:52 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rD2pl-00000CC; Wed, 30 Nov 94 20:09 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gunther@ssi.edc.org (Gunther Anderson) Subject: Re: Suggestion for Pine Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 18:22:27 GMT Message-Id: References: <3bfqan$74g@agate.berkeley.edu> <3bhi23$1cl@horos.kbfi.ee> Fred New (fred@dbx.ml.ee) wrote: : While we're discussing this, how about being able to use the Page-Up and : Page-Down keys? Or having the Delete key be different from the Backspace : key in Pico? I like the paragraph formatting feature of Pico, but I don't : like moving the cursor after a character so I can delete it. I'd call it a terminal emulation problem, after a fashion. In my experience, few VT-xxx emulators handle the cursor kepys (including home, pgup, pgdn) consistently or accurately. So it's hard for a program to try to cover all the bases. Most therefore don't try. However, if you can re-map your keyboard, ^D is "delete-next-character" in Pine; ^Y is PgUp and ^V is PgDn. With access to the source, you could certainly remap them yourself in the code. Gunther Anderson From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 30 20:37:06 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03031; Wed, 30 Nov 94 20:37:06 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26992; Wed, 30 Nov 94 20:32:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26986; Wed, 30 Nov 94 20:32:46 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rD2ts-00000DC; Wed, 30 Nov 94 20:13 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: thang@donald.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Thang M Nguyen) Subject: [HELP] printing a postscript file Message-Id: Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 21:39:48 GMT I would like to print a postscript file from pine to my postscript printer at home. Can you tell me how would I do it? Also I read the Secret of Pine3.91 and there is a command(?) called ansiprt, can you tell me what it is and how to use it? Thanks in advace. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 30 22:48:43 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05582; Wed, 30 Nov 94 22:48:43 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25803; Wed, 30 Nov 94 22:45:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25797; Wed, 30 Nov 94 22:45:47 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rD4tT-00000BC; Wed, 30 Nov 94 22:21 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dbloom@badlands.NoDak.edu (Deborah R Bloom) Subject: comp. mail.pine Message-Id: Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 02:51:11 GMT From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 30 22:48:56 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05606; Wed, 30 Nov 94 22:48:56 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28811; Wed, 30 Nov 94 22:45:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28805; Wed, 30 Nov 94 22:45:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rD4wF-00000DC; Wed, 30 Nov 94 22:24 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: messina@engin.umich.edu (Matt Messina) Subject: Re: mh-style folders in pine? Date: 1 Dec 1994 03:24:56 GMT Message-Id: <3bjfm8$t4l@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> References: Eliot Shepard wrote: >Does pine yet support mh-style folders for mail storage? ie. can a >folder be a directory off ~/mail and each message be an individual >file within, as opposed to all glommed together? Here is a script that creates an mbox from an mh folder. It works on my system -- I assume it works on any UN*X machine (I can't even type that with a straight face :-)). -- Matt Messina messina@umich.edu #! /bin/sh # packmbox - pack an MH folder back into a UUCP-style mbox # @(#)$Id: packmbox.sh,v 1.16 1992/02/14 17:05:31 jromine Exp $ # # Defaults: # `+folder' defaults to current folder # `msgs' defaults to all # # Context: # Current-Folder # # for simplicity (and speed) we don't parse command-line args (much) case $#/$1 in 1/-h*) echo "syntax: packmbox [+folder] [msgs] [-help]" 1>&2; exit 0;; esac format="%(msg) From \ %<{return-path}%(putstr)%|\ %<(nonnull(mbox{from}))%(putstr)%|nobody%>@\ %<(nonnull(host{from}))%(putstr)%|nowhere%>%> \ %(day{date}) %(month{date}) %2(mday{date}) \ %02(hour{date}):%02(min{date}):%02(sec{date}) \ %(void(year{date}))%<(gt 100)%4(putnum)%|19%02(putnum)%>" trap 'rm -f /tmp/packm$$; exit 1' 1 2 3 15 scan -noclear -noheader -noreverse -width 256 \ -format "${format}" $* >/tmp/packm$$ # tricky -- you must do this "cd" after scan has updated the context cd `mhpath` exec /' < $m echo "" done exit From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Nov 30 22:51:39 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05701; Wed, 30 Nov 94 22:51:39 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25829; Wed, 30 Nov 94 22:48:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25823; Wed, 30 Nov 94 22:48:02 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rD52Q-00000EC; Wed, 30 Nov 94 22:30 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dbloom@badlands.NoDak.edu (Deborah R Bloom) Subject: = Message-Id: Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 02:43:59 GMT