From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Aug 2 01:38:42 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA10870; Mon, 2 Aug 93 01:38:42 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA07675; Mon, 2 Aug 93 01:28:35 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from norman.nwnet.net by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA07669; Mon, 2 Aug 93 01:28:34 -0700 Received: by norman.nwnet.net (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.27 ) id AA16319; Mon, 2 Aug 93 01:28:31 -0700 Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1993 01:21:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Laurence Lundblade Subject: Re: Arrow Keys and Pine ... To: Alex Chan - Admin Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, alexc%merint@uunet.UU.NET In-Reply-To: <9307311235.AA30757@merint> Message-Id: References: <0909099009@09090909> <878787878@87878787> <3343434@2323232> <12121212@1212121> <9307311235.AA30757@merint> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hello Alex, The cursor keys work in vi because vi doesn't need ^J, ^K, ^L and ^H for anything else where Pine uses then for justify, kill line, redraw and destructive backspace. There's really not much you can do about this other than hack the code to rebind these functions to obscure control keys like ^_, ^^, ^\ and ^@ so you can use those control keys for the arrow keys. ... but watch out for future versions of Pine/Pico that use those keys too. There's a real shortage of control keys. I think there was someone that made these changes once. If they've got 'em in the form of patches I think they could be included as contributed additions in the Pine source. (send them to pine@cac.washington.edu, as MIME attachments of course). LL On 31 Jul 1993, Alex Chan - Admin wrote: > > We have just inherited 20 wyse50 technology terminals, and the > cursor keys do not work on those terminals. How could one > adjust pine to allow the usage of the cursor keys ? Or adjust > the terminfo or termcap file to get the right settings. But the odd > thing is that /usr/bin/vi works fine with those wyse50 terminals with > those arrow keys. I guess the termcap and terminfo entries on our > IBM RS6000 is correct. > > Thanks for your help. > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Aug 2 02:19:35 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA12302; Mon, 2 Aug 93 02:19:35 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA07911; Mon, 2 Aug 93 02:10:11 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from sussdirt.rdg.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA07905; Mon, 2 Aug 93 02:10:08 -0700 Received: from reading.ac.uk by susssys1.reading.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <21593-0@susssys1.reading.ac.uk>; Mon, 2 Aug 1993 10:09:58 +0100 Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1993 10:08:18 +0100 (BST) From: Mike Roch Reply-To: Mike Roch Subject: Re: Arrow Keys and Pine ... To: Laurence Lundblade Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, alexc <@uunet.UU.NET:alexc@merint> In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hi Laurence, I once hacked Pine 3.05 source so that we could use a Televideo terminal (of which we have dozens). These generate ^J,^K,^L,^H for down,up,right,left arrow, and can't be reprogrammed (as far as we know). My hack involved sacrificing attach(by keystroke)/justify, kill-line, redraw-screen and del-with-^h; annoying but still giving most of Pine's functionality to people cursed by these museum pieces. Speaking of curses, people tell me that "Curses" could somehow solve this sort of problem. I have the fixed source files if they are of any help to anyone. Mike ============================================================================== Mike Roch, Computer Services Centre, Tel: 0734 318430 The University, Whiteknights, Reading, RG6 2AH. Fax: 0734 753094 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Aug 3 21:39:00 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA20748; Tue, 3 Aug 93 21:39:00 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA05009; Tue, 3 Aug 93 21:24:04 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from gpu.utcc.utoronto.ca by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA04997; Tue, 3 Aug 93 21:24:02 -0700 Received: by gpu.utcc.utoronto.ca id <18734>; Wed, 4 Aug 1993 00:23:59 -0400 From: Alex Nishri To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Pine w PPP/SLIP, Annex servers, and modems? Message-Id: <93Aug4.002359edt.18734@gpu.utcc.utoronto.ca> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1993 00:23:53 -0400 Status: O X-Status: I am considering setting up PC Pine for a group of very important people at this University, who alas, do not have any network connection yet. I'm thinking of running PC Pine with Novell's WFD TCP/IP, either PPP or SLIP, & a dialin modem. At my end I am considering a terminal server which supports PPP or SLIP, such as an Annex Three. Is PC Pine up to the task? Would you put your governing council types onto it? What about with dialin PPP/SLIP? Any pitfalls to such a setup? Anyone running Novell's WFD TCP/IP and Annex boxes? If this is the scenario we go, I would have less than 3 man days to make it happen ... is this do-able in little time? Thanks, Alex Nishri Supervisor of Network Services University of Toronto Computing & Communications email: nishri@utcc.utoronto.ca phone: 416-978-7109 fax: 416-978-7159 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Aug 4 08:58:59 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA03442; Wed, 4 Aug 93 08:58:59 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA09672; Wed, 4 Aug 93 08:47:03 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from UCF1VM.CC.UCF.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA09664; Wed, 4 Aug 93 08:47:01 -0700 Message-Id: <9308041547.AA09664@mx1.cac.washington.edu> Received: from UCF1VM.CC.UCF.EDU by ucf1vm.cc.ucf.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3970; Wed, 04 Aug 93 11:46:24 EDT Received: from ucf1vm.cc.ucf.edu (NJE origin JIM@UCF1VM) by UCF1VM.CC.UCF.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9264; Wed, 4 Aug 1993 11:46:24 -0400 Date: Wed, 04 Aug 93 11:44:32 EDT From: Jim Ennis Organization: University of Central Florida - Computer Services Subject: overwrite mode in Pico To: Pine Info List Status: O X-Status: I don't know if this is the right list or not, but here goes. Does Pico have an overwrite mode so that you can write over text and not insert characters onto a line? We have users filling out a form in Pine for forwarding to an id for processing, we would like to have the people be able to type in the fields directly and not have the text shifting across the screen as they add characters. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim Ennis - Systems Programmer | UCF Postmaster University of Central Florida | JIM@UCF1VM.CC.UCF.EDU PO BOX 162500 | (407) 823-2713 Orlando, FL 32816-2500 | "The Future begins Tomorrow." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Aug 4 09:28:22 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA04396; Wed, 4 Aug 93 09:28:22 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA29855; Wed, 4 Aug 93 09:19:13 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from xanth.CS.ORST.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA29847; Wed, 4 Aug 93 09:19:04 -0700 Received: from mundania.CS.ORST.EDU by instruction.CS.ORST.EDU (1.37.109.4/1.35) id AA08936; Wed, 4 Aug 93 09:16:56 -0700 Received: by mundania.CS.ORST.EDU (1.37.109.4/CS-Client) id AA14311; Wed, 4 Aug 93 09:21:37 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1993 09:17:14 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jason R. Thorpe" Subject: Re: Pine w PPP/SLIP, Annex servers, and modems? To: Alex Nishri Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <93Aug4.002359edt.18734@gpu.utcc.utoronto.ca> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 4 Aug 1993, Alex Nishri wrote: > I am considering setting up PC Pine for a group of very important people at this > University, who alas, do not have any network connection yet. I'm thinking of > running PC Pine with Novell's WFD TCP/IP, either PPP or SLIP, & a dialin modem. > At my end I am considering a terminal server which supports PPP or SLIP, such as > an Annex Three. > > Is PC Pine up to the task? Would you put your governing council types onto > it? What about with dialin PPP/SLIP? Any pitfalls to such a setup? This is the same setup we are running here (more or less)...Our Annex server runs the Xylogics Annex Command Interpreter and has PPP/SLIP support. We would be VERY intersted as to whether or not people dialing in and telling their workstations to talk SLIP could process their mail via IMAP from their PC... Later... /***************************************************************************** Jason R. Thorpe - OSU Computer Science Support Staff Bellnet: (503) 623-8514 Internet: thorpej@prism.cs.orst.edu *****************************************************************************/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Aug 4 09:35:10 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA04657; Wed, 4 Aug 93 09:35:10 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA10416; Wed, 4 Aug 93 09:27:35 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA10410; Wed, 4 Aug 93 09:27:33 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA07589; Wed, 4 Aug 93 09:27:30 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1993 09:27:06 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: overwrite mode in Pico To: Jim Ennis Cc: Pine Info List In-Reply-To: <9308041547.AA09664@mx1.cac.washington.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: No, PICO does not have an overwrite mode, sorry. -- |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 4 Aug 1993, Jim Ennis wrote: > I don't know if this is the right list or not, but here goes. Does Pico > have an overwrite mode so that you can write over text and not insert > characters onto a line? We have users filling out a form in Pine for > forwarding to an id for processing, we would like to have the people > be able to type in the fields directly and not have the text shifting > across the screen as they add characters. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Jim Ennis - Systems Programmer | UCF Postmaster > University of Central Florida | JIM@UCF1VM.CC.UCF.EDU > PO BOX 162500 | (407) 823-2713 > Orlando, FL 32816-2500 | "The Future begins Tomorrow." > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Aug 4 09:58:28 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA05385; Wed, 4 Aug 93 09:58:28 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA10807; Wed, 4 Aug 93 09:49:19 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA10801; Wed, 4 Aug 93 09:49:17 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA08472; Wed, 4 Aug 93 09:49:10 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1993 09:43:30 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Pine w PPP/SLIP, Annex servers, and modems? To: Alex Nishri Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <93Aug4.002359edt.18734@gpu.utcc.utoronto.ca> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: No problem, as long as you have a fast modem (we use 14.4kbps). We have users here using a very similar configuration. I would set up a trial for yourself for a few days just to get comfortable with it before trashing the council's PCs though ;^) -- |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 4 Aug 1993, Alex Nishri wrote: > I am considering setting up PC Pine for a group of very important people at this > University, who alas, do not have any network connection yet. I'm thinking of > running PC Pine with Novell's WFD TCP/IP, either PPP or SLIP, & a dialin modem. > At my end I am considering a terminal server which supports PPP or SLIP, such as > an Annex Three. > > Is PC Pine up to the task? Would you put your governing council types onto > it? What about with dialin PPP/SLIP? Any pitfalls to such a setup? > > Anyone running Novell's WFD TCP/IP and Annex boxes? > > If this is the scenario we go, I would have less than 3 man days to make it > happen ... is this do-able in little time? > > Thanks, > > Alex Nishri > Supervisor of Network Services > University of Toronto Computing & Communications > email: nishri@utcc.utoronto.ca > phone: 416-978-7109 > fax: 416-978-7159 > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Aug 4 12:25:16 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA09231; Wed, 4 Aug 93 12:25:16 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA00998; Wed, 4 Aug 93 12:14:22 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from relay2.UU.NET by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA00992; Wed, 4 Aug 93 12:14:20 -0700 Received: from spool.uu.net (via LOCALHOST) by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA13127; Wed, 4 Aug 93 15:14:19 -0400 Received: from smc.UUCP by uucp5.uu.net with UUCP/RMAIL (queueing-rmail) id 151241.1939; Wed, 4 Aug 1993 15:12:41 EDT Received: from sol by smc.com (4.1/Standard-Microsystems-Corporation) id AA04187; Wed, 4 Aug 93 15:03:09 EDT Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1993 13:28:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Tom Adams Subject: Preventing Forging of Mail Addresses To: Pine Distribution List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Within minutes of installing our first copy of PC Pine on a public PC, a user asked to try it out. Sending a short test message to himself, we noticed that my mail address and personal name were used on the From line despite the fact the user entered his own name and password to the IMAP server. He commented on the need for this ``feature'' and happy walked away with a copy of the software. That got me worrying about deliberate, as well as unintentional, forging of electronic mail addresses. The reason for my mail address and personal name being used was because that's what appeared in the C:\pine\pinerc file of the publicly accessible machine. The password verification of user identity by IMAP is only for reading mail on the remote server and is totally independent of SMTP which sends the mail from the PC. While the -p option does allow different users to use a different pinerc file, how do you insure the correct user mail address appears on mail sent? The Receive by: line naming the sending PC address is not enough. Short of forcing PC users to Telnet to the Suns for mail (eliminating PC Pine totally), what can I do?? Otherwise, how can I block SMTP connections from PCs on my Suns? _______________________________________________________________ Tom Adams Telephone: 516-435-6083 Standard Microsystems Corporation 35 Marcus Boulevard Hauppauge, NY 11788 Internet: adams@smc.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Aug 4 13:22:30 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA10906; Wed, 4 Aug 93 13:22:30 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA13704; Wed, 4 Aug 93 13:11:55 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from cantva.canterbury.ac.nz by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA13694; Wed, 4 Aug 93 13:11:51 -0700 Received: from cantsc.canterbury.ac.nz by csc.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V4.2-13 #2553) id <01H1DNQQGEHCAYPLY3@csc.canterbury.ac.nz>; Thu, 5 Aug 1993 08:00:35 +1200 Received: by cantsc.canterbury.ac.nz (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11931; Thu, 5 Aug 93 08:00:31 NZS Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.cantsc.canterbury.ac.nz.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.cantsc.canterbury.ac.nz.sun4_41; Thu, 5 Aug 1993 08:00:30 +1200 (NZST) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1993 08:00:30 +1200 (NZST) From: Jason Haar Subject: Re: Preventing Forging of Mail Addresses In-Reply-To: To: Pine Distribution List Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ATK messages 8.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Contact: phone: +64 3 364-2336, fax: +64 3 364-2332 Organisation: CSC, University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand. References: Status: O X-Status: Excerpts from Mailing-Lists.Info-Pine: 4-Aug-93 Preventing Forging of > Mail .. Tom Adams@smc.com (1459*) > Short of forcing PC users to Telnet to the Suns for mail (eliminating PC > Pine totally), what can I do?? I agree that some POP/IMAP mailers do have this problem. I think the answer is to force the mailer to always use the usercode the person logged in as in the From line - but to supply a Reply-To header so the user can do some rewriting if they need to. As far as security goes - this really doesn't add much, if an IMAP/SMTP client does the right thing, there's still nothing to stop the user from directly sending "forged" mail via other means - except ignorance (which does work for 99% of them ;-). > Otherwise, how can I block SMTP connections from PCs on my Suns? Get log_tcp wrapper (use archie) - it allows you to control what nodes can connect to your SMTP servers. I use it extensively here - but you really need a firewall as well to tighten things up... Cheers Jason Haar From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Aug 4 13:36:10 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA11436; Wed, 4 Aug 93 13:36:10 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA01414; Wed, 4 Aug 93 13:26:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tomobiki-cho.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA01408; Wed, 4 Aug 93 13:26:45 -0700 Received: from Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM by Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (NX5.67d/UW-NDC Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA27240; Wed, 4 Aug 93 13:26:37 -0700 Received: from localhost by Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (NX5.67c/UW-NDC/Panda Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA19825; Wed, 4 Aug 93 13:26:30 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1993 13:23:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Pine w PPP/SLIP, Annex servers, and modems? To: "Jason R. Thorpe" Cc: Alex Nishri , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I have personally used PC Pine via SLIP on a variety of platforms, even a XT laptop clone and a Macintosh running SoftPC. It works. However, I'm not sure that I would recommend my particular setup to VIPs. This doesn't have anything to do with Pine, but rather on how clunky it is to set up SLIP on a PC. If someone knows of a non-rocket science means to set up a SLIP link on the PC for packet-driver applications, I'd like to hear of it! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Aug 5 01:11:52 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA23556; Thu, 5 Aug 93 01:11:52 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA20089; Thu, 5 Aug 93 01:00:09 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from sussdirt.rdg.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA20083; Thu, 5 Aug 93 01:00:07 -0700 Received: from reading.ac.uk by susssys1.reading.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <09747-0@susssys1.reading.ac.uk>; Thu, 5 Aug 1993 08:59:50 +0100 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1993 08:55:57 +0100 (BST) From: Mike Roch Subject: Re: Preventing Forging of Mail Addresses To: Tom Adams Cc: Pine Distribution List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Sorry to plug a competitor, but Eudora has faced this problem for some time. Outgoing mail's from field has the word (uncomfirmed) or (confirmed) appended according to whether the program has done a POP login successfully since the last change of the user details. Mike ============================================================================== Mike Roch, Computer Services Centre, Tel: 0734 318430 The University, Whiteknights, Reading, RG6 2AH. Fax: 0734 753094 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Aug 5 02:07:00 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA24714; Thu, 5 Aug 93 02:07:00 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA04325; Thu, 5 Aug 93 01:58:42 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tomobiki-cho.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA04319; Thu, 5 Aug 93 01:58:40 -0700 Received: from Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM by Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (NX5.67d/UW-NDC Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA28075; Thu, 5 Aug 93 01:58:32 -0700 Received: from localhost by Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (NX5.67c/UW-NDC/Panda Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA22167; Thu, 5 Aug 93 01:58:24 -0700 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1993 01:54:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Preventing Forging of Mail Addresses To: Mike Roch Cc: Tom Adams , Pine Distribution List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 5 Aug 1993 08:55:57 +0100 (BST), Mike Roch wrote: > Sorry to plug a competitor, but Eudora has faced this problem for some > time. Outgoing mail's from field has the word (uncomfirmed) or (confirmed) > appended according to whether the program has done a POP login > successfully since the last change of the user details. Uh, one small problem with this. Presumably, the ``confirmed data'' is the POP login id and the POP service host. That information may be sensitive, and certainly should not be disclosed unless the program is configured to do so. Also, if I were a bad guy there is nothing that keeps me from putting the string ``(confirmed)'' after the address in a bogus From that I generate. This isn't to say that Pine's present behavior, which practically encourages the wrong thing to be sent, is right. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Aug 5 08:16:56 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA00294; Thu, 5 Aug 93 08:16:56 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA22722; Thu, 5 Aug 93 08:08:56 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA22716; Thu, 5 Aug 93 08:08:54 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA25051; Thu, 5 Aug 93 08:08:43 -0700 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1993 08:02:35 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Preventing Forging of Mail Addresses To: Mike Roch Cc: Tom Adams , Pine Distribution List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Once someone knows how to forge SMTP mail, that additional field makes very little difference. It is true that it is slightly easier to forge email on PC-pine, but I feel that something like putting "(confirmed)" on a header will lead to more of a false sense of security than actual security. We will be working on changes to make it less likely to inadvertantly send email with the wrong return address from "multi-user" PCs. -- |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Thu, 5 Aug 1993, Mike Roch wrote: > Sorry to plug a competitor, but Eudora has faced this problem for some > time. Outgoing mail's from field has the word (uncomfirmed) or (confirmed) > appended according to whether the program has done a POP login > successfully since the last change of the user details. > > Mike > > ============================================================================== > Mike Roch, Computer Services Centre, Tel: 0734 318430 > The University, Whiteknights, Reading, RG6 2AH. Fax: 0734 753094 > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Aug 5 08:27:23 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA00558; Thu, 5 Aug 93 08:27:23 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA05739; Thu, 5 Aug 93 08:19:49 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from qualcom.qualcomm.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA05733; Thu, 5 Aug 93 08:19:47 -0700 Received: by qualcomm.com; id AA10583 sendmail 5.65/QC-main-2.1 Thu, 5 Aug 93 08:12:09 -0700 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1993 08:05:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Hough Subject: Re: Preventing Forging of Mail Addresses To: Mark Crispin Cc: Mike Roch , Tom Adams , Pine Distribution List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 5 Aug 1993, Mark Crispin wrote: > On Thu, 5 Aug 1993 08:55:57 +0100 (BST), Mike Roch wrote: > > Sorry to plug a competitor, but Eudora has faced this problem for some > > time. Outgoing mail's from field has the word (uncomfirmed) or (confirmed) > > appended according to whether the program has done a POP login > > successfully since the last change of the user details. > > Uh, one small problem with this. > > Presumably, the ``confirmed data'' is the POP login id and the POP service > host. That information may be sensitive, and certainly should not be > disclosed unless the program is configured to do so. > > Also, if I were a bad guy there is nothing that keeps me from putting the > string ``(confirmed)'' after the address in a bogus From that I generate. > > This isn't to say that Pine's present behavior, which practically encourages > the wrong thing to be sent, is right. Some of you may know that Qualcomm has taken over development of Eudora and we will actually be marketing it soon. I use Pine and Eudora both. Anyway, Eudora's situation is similar to PC Pine's in that someone could walk up to my machine, load up either program, and send mail all they want under my name. Eudora however sees that my Unix password was never entered and automatically puts the (uncomfirmed) addition in the header. You cannot fake this by typing (confirmed) in, because Eudora will still but the uncomfirmed section in after it. It's not something you can delete from the header, since Eudora never shows that part to the sender. At any rate, we have about 700 people here using Eudora and have had ALMOST NO problems with this at all, so I dont think it's a huge issue. The unconfirmed addtition is a nice security option though. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jason Hough / jhough@qualcomm.com / CS Hotline / Ext. 5707 / Page:621-8657 "This world sharpens teeth - eat your words..." - Marillion, _Standing in the Swing_ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Aug 5 10:16:25 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA03709; Thu, 5 Aug 93 10:16:25 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA24483; Thu, 5 Aug 93 10:07:20 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA24466; Thu, 5 Aug 93 10:06:39 -0700 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1993 09:51:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Seibel Reply-To: Michael Seibel Subject: Re: Preventing Forging of Mail Addresses To: Jason Hough Cc: Mark Crispin , Mike Roch , Tom Adams , Pine Distribution List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 5 Aug 1993, Jason Hough wrote: > At any rate, we have about 700 people here using Eudora and have had ALMOST NO > problems with this at all, so I dont think it's a huge issue. The unconfirmed > addtition is a nice security option though. We've been trying to decide exactly what path to take with PC-Pine, and this is very helpful input! It's not an easy problem to solve. To make sure I understand, does Eudora require the mailbox in the From address to match the login's userid before "(confirmed)" is inserted? A couple of valid situations where they reasonably wouldn't come to mind. In the particular case of a system administrator, list maintainer or help-desk consultant, an "(unconfirmed)" label might be less than ideal. If the match isn't required, well... At one point we considered putting the login userid/server pair into an "X-Sender" header line. It might have helped to trace bogus mail back to an account, but the downside is advertising the imap account with every sent message. This didn't seem ideal either. As it stands now, PC-Pine generates message ID's with the PC's name or IP address. Along with Received entries this is helpful, but of course in a lab environment is of questionable value. Whatever the solution, we'd like to keep it innocuous enough so the motivation for snipping it out after the source release is low. Further, to diminish the likelihood of accidental forging, the upcoming release will quite likely have the auto-save of requisite user data disabled. -mikes From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Aug 5 10:27:07 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA03960; Thu, 5 Aug 93 10:27:07 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA06384; Thu, 5 Aug 93 10:18:11 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from qualcom.qualcomm.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA06378; Thu, 5 Aug 93 10:18:09 -0700 Received: by qualcomm.com; id AA05851 sendmail 5.65/QC-main-2.1 Thu, 5 Aug 93 10:17:51 -0700 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1993 10:11:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Hough Subject: Re: Preventing Forging of Mail Addresses To: Michael Seibel Cc: Mark Crispin , Mike Roch , Tom Adams , Pine Distribution List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 5 Aug 1993, Michael Seibel wrote: > On Thu, 5 Aug 1993, Jason Hough wrote: > > > At any rate, we have about 700 people here using Eudora and have had ALMOST NO > > problems with this at all, so I dont think it's a huge issue. The unconfirmed > > addtition is a nice security option though. > > We've been trying to decide exactly what path to take with PC-Pine, and > this is very helpful input! It's not an easy problem to solve. > > To make sure I understand, does Eudora require the mailbox in the From > address to match the login's userid before "(confirmed)" is inserted? A > couple of valid situations where they reasonably wouldn't come to mind. > In the particular case of a system administrator, list maintainer or > help-desk consultant, an "(unconfirmed)" label might be less than ideal. > If the match isn't required, well... > Basically, when you first enter Eudora it asks for the password of the username listed in Eudora's configuration file (eudorarc if you will). If you choose to cancel when the password window appears, any messages sent will have the "unconfirmed" text in the header. If the password is entered, this goes away. Eudora also has the option, and I think this is what I'd like to see in PC Pine, it has the option to "forget password". So if you're sending mail and need to leave for lunch or whatever, you can select forget password and the unconfirmed message comes back. Eudora will also not recieve any mail unless the password is entered. Hope this helps! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jason Hough / jhough@qualcomm.com / CS Hotline / Ext. 5707 / Page:621-8657 "This world sharpens teeth..." - Marillion, _Standing in the Swing_ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Aug 6 01:16:11 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA21595; Fri, 6 Aug 93 01:16:11 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA03427; Fri, 6 Aug 93 00:57:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from sussdirt.rdg.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA03421; Fri, 6 Aug 93 00:57:43 -0700 Received: from reading.ac.uk by susssys1.reading.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <27531-0@susssys1.reading.ac.uk>; Fri, 6 Aug 1993 08:57:22 +0100 Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1993 08:53:04 +0100 (BST) From: Mike Roch Subject: Re: Preventing Forging of Mail Addresses To: Michael Seibel Cc: Jason Hough , Mark Crispin , Pine Distribution List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On checking Eudora (Mac) I see that my assertion that "either (confirmed) or (unconfirmed) are appended to the From: field" was wrong; the only comment that appears is (unconfirmed) when a POP login has not taken place with the userid being used in that From: field. Mike ============================================================================== Mike Roch, Computer Services Centre, Tel: 0734 318430 The University, Whiteknights, Reading, RG6 2AH. Fax: 0734 753094 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Aug 7 13:17:03 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA25036; Sat, 7 Aug 93 13:17:03 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA18217; Sat, 7 Aug 93 13:07:09 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from acs1.acs.ucalgary.ca by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA18211; Sat, 7 Aug 93 13:07:07 -0700 Received: by acs1.acs.ucalgary.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA35255; Sat, 7 Aug 1993 14:07:53 -0600 Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1993 14:07:53 -0600 From: wowoc@acs.ucalgary.ca (Witold Owoc) Message-Id: <9308072007.AA35255@acs1.acs.ucalgary.ca> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: one more filter please Status: O X-Status: With current discussions on poland-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu and soc.culture.polish it is evident that after more than 3 years of being connected to the world community Polish e-mail readers feel the need to use an 8-bit e-mail. Pine suits our needs :-) To remain compatible we would need a filter implemented in pine which translates ISO 8859-2 into ASCII. I am aware that version 3.85 is imminent. Whom should I contact ? I am willing to work on this filter (set up appropriate tables, or whatever is necessary :-). Witold Owoc <- Poland-L co-owner #disclaimer "my.private.views" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Aug 8 23:53:57 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA13745; Sun, 8 Aug 93 23:53:57 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA24190; Sun, 8 Aug 93 23:40:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from nico.aarnet.edu.au by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA24184; Sun, 8 Aug 93 23:40:04 -0700 Received: from cruskit.aarnet.edu.au by nico.aarnet.edu.au with SMTP id AA02661 (5.65cAARN/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 9 Aug 1993 16:40:02 +1000 Received: from localhost by cruskit.aarnet.edu.au id for aarnet.edu.au; Mon, 9 Aug 1993 16:39:59 +1000 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1993 16:39:02 +1000 (EST) From: Andy Linton Subject: Problem with folders in pine (fwd) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="1461841693-1277808196-744864532:#6123" Status: O X-Status: --1461841693-1277808196-744864532:#6123 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Hi, I've just started using Pine and I've got a problem when sorting mail into folders. I'm connecting using the imapd and I'm running 3.07 on an Sun running SunOS 4.1.3. Here's the problem: I'm reading mail in my inbox and I decide to save a message in a separate folder. I hit the 's' key and I get prompted for a folder name. I've got the 'elm-style-save' option on so I see a suggested name in []. I decide I want to put the mail in a different folder so I hit ^T to see the folder names and I select one. I'd expect to see the message refiled there but it ends up in a folder of the same name in my home directory. If I supply the folder name manually, I get the same behaviour. Changing to a different folder either by using ^T and selecting a folder or typing in the name works fine. I've included my .pinerc file and /usr/local/lib/pine.conf. Is this a known problem? Am I just doing something stupid? It would appear that a 'change directory to the Mail folder' is missing somewhere. I've just switched from a long commitment to mh and xmh and I like what I see with pine. Thanks for your help, andy -- Andy Linton, e-mail: A.Linton@aarnet.edu.au Network Engineer, phone: +61 6 249 2874 Australian Academic Research Network fax: +61 6 249 1369 --1461841693-1277808196-744864532:#6123 Content-Type: APPLICATION/OCTET-STREAM; NAME="pine.conf" Content-ID: Content-Description: System pine.conf # /usr/local/lib/pine.conf -- system wide pine configuration # # Values here affect all pine users unless they've overidden the values # in their .pinerc files. A blank copy of this file may be obtained # by running "pine -conf". It will be printed on the standard output. # # For a variable to be unset it's value must be blank. # To set a varible to the empty string it's value should be "". # Switch variables are either set to "yes" or "no". # # (These comments are automatically inserted.) # Your printer selection printer=lpr -Paarnlw # The system wide standard printer standard-printer=lpr -Paarnlw # Domain name you are in e.g. nwnet.net, cac.washington.edu, bwc.org user-domain=aarnet.edu.au # Eliminate host part from hostname, using only domain part for domain name use-only-domain-name=yes # Name/path of inbox. (Folder path name or "{host}inbox" for remote IMAP inbox) inbox-path={nico.aarnet.edu.au}inbox # If "yes" default folder name to sender when saving mail elm-style-save=yes # Include message header in inclusion of original mail when replying header-in-reply=no # The default folder where a copy of outgoing mail is saved default-fcc= # Nickname of bugs entry to be automatically placed in all address books bugs-nickname=bugs # Full name of bugs entry to be automatically placed in all address books bugs-fullname=Pine Bug Report # Address of bugs entry to be automatically placed in all address books bugs-address=postmaster@aarnet.edu.au # Name of SMTP server for sending mail. If blank, sendmail will be used smtp-server= # Editor to use in place of Pine's internal composer, Pico editor= # Program to view images if format such as GIF and TIFF image-viewer=/usr/bin/X11/xv # "seedling", "sapling" or "old-growth" for novice, intermediate and advanced feature-level= # Use old style forward/reply with new text and signature below included text old-style-reply=yes # Name of file to read signature out of for inclusion in outgoing mail signature-file=.signature # Sub directory in users home directory where mail folders/files are kept mail-directory=Mail # Allow composition of MIME message (attachments) when this is set to "yes" compose-mime=yes # Character set used by your terminal e.g. US-ASCII, ISO-8859-1, ISO-8859-4 character-set= # Will display all text without checking whether or not it is displayable show-all-characters= # If set to "no" messages about new versions of Pine will be supressed new-version=no --1461841693-1277808196-744864532:#6123 Content-Type: APPLICATION/OCTET-STREAM; NAME=".pinerc" Content-ID: Content-Description: My .pinerc # Your full name personal-name=Andy Linton # Your printer selection printer=lpr -Paarnlw # Special print command if it isn't one of the standard printers personal-print-command=lpr -Paarnlw # Date last time you were asked about deleting old sent-mail last-time-prune-questioned=93.8 # Domain name you are in e.g. nwnet.net, cac.washington.edu, bwc.org user-domain=aarnet.edu.au # Eliminate host part from hostname, using only domain part for domain name use-only-domain-name=yes # Name/path of inbox. (Folder path name or "{host}inbox" for remote IMAP inbox) inbox-path={nico.aarnet.edu.au}inbox # If "yes" default folder name to sender when saving mail elm-style-save=yes # Include message header in inclusion of original mail when replying header-in-reply=no # The default folder where a copy of outgoing mail is saved default-fcc=ThisMonth # Name of SMTP server for sending mail. If blank, sendmail will be used smtp-server= # Editor to use in place of Pine's internal composer, Pico editor=emacs # Program to view images if format such as GIF and TIFF image-viewer=/usr/bin/X11/xv # "seedling", "sapling" or "old-growth" for novice, intermediate and advanced feature-level=old-growth # Use old style forward/reply with new text and signature below included text old-style-reply=yes # Name of file to read signature out of for inclusion in outgoing mail signature-file=.signature # Sub directory in users home directory where mail folders/files are kept mail-directory=Mail # Character set used by your terminal e.g. US-ASCII, ISO-8859-1, ISO-8859-4 character-set= # Will display all text without checking whether or not it is displayable show-all-characters= # Name/path of inbox. (Folder path name or "{host}inbox" for remote IMAP inbox) inbox-path= --1461841693-1277808196-744864532:#6123-- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Aug 9 08:42:30 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA22872; Mon, 9 Aug 93 08:42:30 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA01443; Mon, 9 Aug 93 08:32:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from utdallas.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA01437; Mon, 9 Aug 93 08:32:49 -0700 Received: from dunno.utdallas.edu by utdallas.edu (ZMailer 2.1.3 #231) with BLIMP id <74651>; Mon, 9 Aug 1993 10:32:41 -0500 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1993 10:30:10 -0500 From: Billy Barron Subject: RE: Problem with folders in pine To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="1461841693-1277808196-744864532:#6123" Status: O X-Status: --1461841693-1277808196-744864532:#6123 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII >I'm connecting using the imapd and I'm running 3.07 on an Sun running >SunOS 4.1.3. > I'm not using imapd, but otherwise the same configuration. >Here's the problem: > >I'm reading mail in my inbox and I decide to save a message in a separate >folder. I hit the 's' key and I get prompted for a folder name. I've got >the 'elm-style-save' option on so I see a suggested name in []. I decide I >want to put the mail in a different folder so I hit ^T to see the folder >names and I select one. I'd expect to see the message refiled there but it >ends up in a folder of the same name in my home directory. If I supply the >folder name manually, I get the same behaviour. > >Changing to a different folder either by using ^T and selecting a folder >or typing in the name works fine. > I'm seeing the exact same problem. Hadn't reported yet because I hadn't checked it out in detail yet. Billy Barron billy@utdallas.edu --1461841693-1277808196-744864532:#6123-- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Aug 9 09:36:27 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA24717; Mon, 9 Aug 93 09:36:27 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA02388; Mon, 9 Aug 93 09:28:55 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA02382; Mon, 9 Aug 93 09:28:53 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA27686; Mon, 9 Aug 93 09:28:49 -0700 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1993 09:27:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray Reply-To: Terry Gray Subject: Re: Problem with folders in pine (fwd) To: Andy Linton Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Andy and Billy, Part of the problem is that Elm's behavior is somewhat surprising in that if you override the default (and don't put in an "=" token) it saves to the home (actually, the current) directory. Pine emulates this, when "elm-style-save" is enabled, although doesn't support the "=" shorthand. The anomoly about selecting a name from the folder menu and having that end up in the home directory sounds like a true bug... However, both these problems go away in version 3.85, due later this month, with the introduction of the concept of "folder collections." (PC-Pine 3.84 users have this facility now.) -teg On Mon, 9 Aug 1993, Andy Linton wrote: > Hi, > > I've just started using Pine and I've got a problem when sorting mail into > folders. > > I'm connecting using the imapd and I'm running 3.07 on an Sun running > SunOS 4.1.3. > > Here's the problem: > > I'm reading mail in my inbox and I decide to save a message in a separate > folder. I hit the 's' key and I get prompted for a folder name. I've got > the 'elm-style-save' option on so I see a suggested name in []. I decide I > want to put the mail in a different folder so I hit ^T to see the folder > names and I select one. I'd expect to see the message refiled there but it > ends up in a folder of the same name in my home directory. If I supply the > folder name manually, I get the same behaviour. > > Changing to a different folder either by using ^T and selecting a folder > or typing in the name works fine. > > I've included my .pinerc file and /usr/local/lib/pine.conf. Is this a > known problem? Am I just doing something stupid? It would appear that a > 'change directory to the Mail folder' is missing somewhere. > > I've just switched from a long commitment to mh and xmh and I like what I > see with pine. > > Thanks for your help, > andy > > -- > Andy Linton, e-mail: A.Linton@aarnet.edu.au > Network Engineer, phone: +61 6 249 2874 > Australian Academic Research Network fax: +61 6 249 1369 > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Aug 9 10:01:01 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA25320; Mon, 9 Aug 93 10:01:01 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA02793; Mon, 9 Aug 93 09:53:15 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA02787; Mon, 9 Aug 93 09:53:13 -0700 Via: uk.co.ggr; Mon, 9 Aug 1993 17:52:49 +0100 Received: from uk0x04.UUCP by uk0x08.ggr.co.uk; Mon, 9 Aug 93 17:53:45 BST Received: from uk0x04.ggr.co.uk by mailhub.ggr.co.uk (5.59/imd-070593) id AA03982; Mon, 9 Aug 93 17:41:54 BST Received: by uk0x04.ggr.co.uk (5.0/imd110593) id AA00937; Mon, 9 Aug 93 17:45:45 BST Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1993 17:44:54 +0100 (BST) From: Ian Dunkin Subject: Export To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 228 Status: O X-Status: No doubt it's staring me in the screen, but I can't _see_ any way with the Export command to overwrite an existing file rather than appending to it. Which I quite often would like to do. IS there a way?? I. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Aug 9 12:18:08 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA00698; Mon, 9 Aug 93 12:18:08 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA04814; Mon, 9 Aug 93 12:09:06 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from timbuk.cray.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA04808; Mon, 9 Aug 93 12:09:04 -0700 Received: from crmunich0 (crmunich0.cray.com) by cray.com (4.1/CRI-MX 2.19) id AA12166; Mon, 9 Aug 93 14:08:58 CDT Received: from crmunich46.cray.com by crmunich0 id AA06153; 4.1/CRI-5.6a; Mon, 9 Aug 93 21:08:55 +0200 Received: by crmunich46.cray.com; Mon, 9 Aug 93 21:07:19 +0200 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1993 21:06:53 +0200 (MET DST) From: Hans-Ulrich Schaefer Subject: To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: help From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Aug 9 12:21:45 1993 Received: by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA00822; Mon, 9 Aug 93 12:21:45 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ester.dsv.su.se by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA00816; Mon, 9 Aug 93 12:21:43 -0700 X400-Received: by /PRMD=SUNET/ADMD=_/C=SE/; Relayed; 09 Aug 93 21:21:18+0200 Date: 09 Aug 93 21:21:18+0200 From: Hans-Ulrich Schaefer Message-Id: <372113*@su-kom.dsv.su.se> To: "Pine mailer discussions group (pine-infoEcac.washington.edu)" , Pine Distribution List Status: O X-Status: From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Aug 9 14:27:59 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA06097; Mon, 9 Aug 93 14:27:59 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA06552; Mon, 9 Aug 93 14:16:13 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from starburst.umd.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA06546; Mon, 9 Aug 93 14:16:11 -0700 Received: by starburst.umd.edu (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/NeXT-2.0) id AA15297; Mon, 9 Aug 93 17:10:40 EDT Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1993 16:53:13 -0400 (EDT) From: "Michael F. Santangelo" Subject: PCPINE 3.84a [remote] Folder Collections: Does it work?!? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Is this supposed to work? I've tried every syntax I can come up with and searched through all the documentation I can find, but the most I can do (aside from access my inbox) is access a single folder at a time with "incoming-folders=" option in PINERC. What I need to do is use the folder collections ability but everytime I try to click on it within pine all I ever get is: [ *** Empty List *** Select Here to Try Re-Expanding ] The syntax I understand to use (from the docs) in PINERC is: remote-folders {remote-node-name}Mail[] where "Mail" is the subdirectory in my account where the normal UNIX pine folders exist. I've tried {rnn}/users/mike/Mail[], {rnn}Mail/[*], {rnn}Mail[*], etc etc. How do I get a list of remote folders??? I can't seam to read news at all either despite many attempts. Same message as above. -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Mike F. Santangelo + Internet: mike@cbl.umd.edu [work] Dept. Head-Computer & Network Systems + mike@kavishar.umd.edu [home] UMCEES / CBL (Solomons Island) + BITNET: MIKE@UMUC [fwd to mike@cbl] From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Aug 9 14:42:13 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA06415; Mon, 9 Aug 93 14:42:13 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA28291; Mon, 9 Aug 93 14:32:37 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tomobiki-cho.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA28285; Mon, 9 Aug 93 14:32:35 -0700 Received: from Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM by Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (NX5.67d/UW-NDC Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA02854; Mon, 9 Aug 93 14:32:21 -0700 Received: from localhost by Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (NX5.67c/UW-NDC/Panda Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA00917; Mon, 9 Aug 93 14:32:08 -0700 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1993 14:30:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Crispin Subject: re: PCPINE 3.84a [remote] Folder Collections: Does it work?!? To: "Michael F. Santangelo" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: What version of the IMAP server are you running? PC Pine requires the latest version. Earlier versions may not work properly. What syntax are you trying to use to access news? Are you trying to access news via NNTP or IMAP? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Aug 9 14:46:21 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA06620; Mon, 9 Aug 93 14:46:21 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA06820; Mon, 9 Aug 93 14:36:56 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from starburst.umd.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA06814; Mon, 9 Aug 93 14:36:54 -0700 Received: by starburst.umd.edu (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/NeXT-2.0) id AA15378; Mon, 9 Aug 93 17:31:24 EDT Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1993 17:30:28 -0400 (EDT) From: "Michael F. Santangelo" Subject: *** To Mark Crispin *** (was: re: PCPINE 3.84a [remote] folder...) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Mark -- your return-path address is not accessable! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1993 17:27:52 -0400 (EDT) From: "Michael F. Santangelo" To: Mark Crispin Subject: re: PCPINE 3.84a [remote] Folder Collections: Does it work?!? On Mon, 9 Aug 1993, Mark Crispin wrote: > What version of the IMAP server are you running? > > PC Pine requires the latest version. Earlier versions may not work properly. I am using whatever version was in the PINE v3.07 distribution for UNIX. > > What syntax are you trying to use to access news? Are you trying to access > news via NNTP or IMAP? both > HELP HELP HELP. Any ideas? -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Mike F. Santangelo + Internet: mike@cbl.umd.edu [work] Dept. Head-Computer & Network Systems + mike@kavishar.umd.edu [home] UMCEES / CBL (Solomons Island) + BITNET: MIKE@UMUC [fwd to mike@cbl] From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Aug 9 14:48:46 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA06773; Mon, 9 Aug 93 14:48:46 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA06877; Mon, 9 Aug 93 14:38:31 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA06871; Mon, 9 Aug 93 14:38:29 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA14800; Mon, 9 Aug 93 14:38:26 -0700 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1993 14:33:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray Subject: Re: PCPINE 3.84a [remote] Folder Collections: Does it work?!? To: "Michael F. Santangelo" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Mike, The incoming-folders variable is a list of *individual* folder names, in contrast to the folder-collections and news-collections variables which take a list of *collections*. The idea is that all of the incoming folders together (plus INBOX) constitute a single collection. So you can have incoming-folders= {host}Mail/foo, {host}Mail/bar or folder-collections= {host}Mail/[*] Send us the relevant .pinerc entry for news-collections and we'll try to help on the news problem. -teg On Mon, 9 Aug 1993, Michael F. Santangelo wrote: > Is this supposed to work? I've tried every syntax I can come up with and > searched through all the documentation I can find, but the most I can do > (aside from access my inbox) is access a single folder at a time with > "incoming-folders=" option in PINERC. What I need to do is use the folder > collections ability but everytime I try to click on it within pine all I > ever get is: > > [ *** Empty List *** Select Here to Try Re-Expanding ] > > The syntax I understand to use (from the docs) in PINERC is: > > remote-folders {remote-node-name}Mail[] > > where "Mail" is the subdirectory in my account where the normal UNIX > pine folders exist. I've tried {rnn}/users/mike/Mail[], {rnn}Mail/[*], > {rnn}Mail[*], etc etc. > > How do I get a list of remote folders??? > > I can't seam to read news at all either despite many attempts. Same > message as above. > -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > Mike F. Santangelo + Internet: mike@cbl.umd.edu [work] > Dept. Head-Computer & Network Systems + mike@kavishar.umd.edu [home] > UMCEES / CBL (Solomons Island) + BITNET: MIKE@UMUC [fwd to mike@cbl] > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Aug 9 14:53:10 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA06890; Mon, 9 Aug 93 14:53:10 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA06971; Mon, 9 Aug 93 14:44:57 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA06962; Mon, 9 Aug 93 14:44:55 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA15007; Mon, 9 Aug 93 14:44:52 -0700 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1993 14:44:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray Subject: Re: PCPINE 3.84a [remote] Folder Collections: Does it work?!? To: "Michael F. Santangelo" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Mike, I mis-read your msg about problems with folder collections; please disregard my reply. -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Aug 9 17:44:56 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA12795; Mon, 9 Aug 93 17:44:56 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA09513; Mon, 9 Aug 93 17:29:08 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from louie.udel.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA09507; Mon, 9 Aug 93 17:29:05 -0700 Received: from apache.dtcc.edu by louie.udel.edu id aa21308; 9 Aug 93 20:23 EDT Received: from weave by apache.dtcc.edu (5.4.2/5.40/1.0) id AA00469; Mon, 9 Aug 1993 20:23:42 -0400 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1993 20:18:52 PDT From: Ken Weaverling Subject: Re: PCPINE 3.84a [remote] Folder Collections: Does it work?!? To: Terry Gray Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: > Send us the relevant .pinerc entry for news-collections and we'll try to > help on the news problem. I got the remote folder collection working, but news will not work... I get the same message > [ *** Empty List *** Select Here to Try Re-Expanding ] I am the news admin, so I tweaked with permissions to read-only (no posting) and posting allowed, same thing (though with the former, I did see the 201 message from NNTP in the stat line saying no posting). My pinerc looks like... # One or more collections where saved messages are stored. #The first one is the default collection for saves. For example: # folder-collections=PC-folders C:\MAIL\[], # Carson-folders {carson.u.washington.edu}mail/[] folder-collections={pima.dtcc.edu}Mail/[*] # One or more collections of news folders (e.g. *{news.u.washington.edu/nntp}[]) news-collections=*{apache.dtcc.edu/nntp}[] From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Aug 9 18:43:14 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA13596; Mon, 9 Aug 93 18:43:14 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA09834; Mon, 9 Aug 93 18:33:20 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA09828; Mon, 9 Aug 93 18:33:13 -0700 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1993 18:06:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Seibel Reply-To: Michael Seibel Subject: Re: PCPINE 3.84a [remote] Folder Collections: Does it work?!? To: Ken Weaverling Cc: "Michael F. Santangelo" , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: The collection definitions look fine from here. What's your NEWSRC look like, and where's it located on the PC's disk? Effectively, the folder for an NNTP-accessed collection is built from the list of subscribed groups in the NEWSRC. Pine uses common "rn" notation, so ftp'ing a .newsrc from a UNIX account to the root of pine's working drive (or directory pointed to by the "HOME" environment variable) should be enough. For now, all subscription maintenance has to be done external to pine, but an upcoming version (not the one scheduled for later this month, though) will have this support fleshed out. Alternatively, just opening a newsgroup for reading can be done by typing a newsgroup name at the "goto" command prompt with the news collection selected. It won't get the newsgroup into the NEWSRC, but it will tell us if NNTP from the PC is working. Hope this helps! -mikes On Mon, 9 Aug 1993, Ken Weaverling wrote: > > Send us the relevant .pinerc entry for news-collections and we'll try to > > help on the news problem. > > I got the remote folder collection working, but news will not work... I > get the same message > > > [ *** Empty List *** Select Here to Try Re-Expanding ] > > I am the news admin, so I tweaked with permissions to read-only (no > posting) and posting allowed, same thing (though with the former, I did > see the 201 message from NNTP in the stat line saying no posting). > > My pinerc looks like... > > # One or more collections where saved messages are stored. > #The first one is the default collection for saves. For example: > # folder-collections=PC-folders C:\MAIL\[], > # Carson-folders {carson.u.washington.edu}mail/[] > folder-collections={pima.dtcc.edu}Mail/[*] > > # One or more collections of news folders (e.g. *{news.u.washington.edu/nntp}[]) > news-collections=*{apache.dtcc.edu/nntp}[] > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Aug 9 21:37:39 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA15592; Mon, 9 Aug 93 21:37:39 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA10738; Mon, 9 Aug 93 21:28:22 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from starburst.umd.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA10732; Mon, 9 Aug 93 21:28:19 -0700 Received: by starburst.umd.edu (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/NeXT-2.0) id AA15990; Tue, 10 Aug 93 00:22:49 EDT Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1993 23:54:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "Michael F. Santangelo" Subject: Re: PCPINE 3.84a [remote] Folder Collections: Does it work?!? To: Michael Seibel Cc: Ken Weaverling , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 9 Aug 1993, Michael Seibel wrote: > The collection definitions look fine from here. What's your NEWSRC look > like, and where's it located on the PC's disk? The problem here seemed to be that I was using an older version of imapd, I just compiled the new one and willtest extensively at work tomorrow (as the waterloo IP package you all used in PCPINE doesn't like going through my home router based on PCROUTE!) > > Effectively, the folder for an NNTP-accessed collection is built from the > list of subscribed groups in the NEWSRC. Pine uses common "rn" notation, > so ftp'ing a .newsrc from a UNIX account to the root of pine's working > drive (or directory pointed to by the "HOME" environment variable) should > be enough. So the IMAPD process won't read the .newsrc file in the home directory of my UNIX acct remotely? I have to FTP a .newsrc file to the c:\PINE directory on the PC? if so, what do I call it ("NEWSRC")? With the new imapd, I'll try it tomorrow. > > For now, all subscription maintenance has to be done external to pine, but > an upcoming version (not the one scheduled for later this month, though) > will have this support fleshed out. > > Alternatively, just opening a newsgroup for reading can be done by typing > a newsgroup name at the "goto" command prompt with the news collection > selected. It won't get the newsgroup into the NEWSRC, but it will tell us > if NNTP from the PC is working. You know, we have never gotten PINE at our site to do news! We run INN v1.2 on a DECstation with 'nn' and 'tin' news reader, with several UNIX clients. Yet, when I try "g" and type for instance: "/news/spool/comp/os/vms" (a valid newsgroup) I get "Unknown file format" everytime. I have symbolic links for /usr/lib/news (for ACTIVEFILE def in os_ult.h) and /usr/spool/news (for NEWSSPOOL def in os_ult.h). ...what am I doing wrong? > > Hope this helps! > > -mikes > > > On Mon, 9 Aug 1993, Ken Weaverling wrote: > > > > Send us the relevant .pinerc entry for news-collections and we'll try to > > > help on the news problem. > > > > I got the remote folder collection working, but news will not work... I > > get the same message > > > > > [ *** Empty List *** Select Here to Try Re-Expanding ] > > > > I am the news admin, so I tweaked with permissions to read-only (no > > posting) and posting allowed, same thing (though with the former, I did > > see the 201 message from NNTP in the stat line saying no posting). > > > > My pinerc looks like... > > > > # One or more collections where saved messages are stored. > > #The first one is the default collection for saves. For example: > > # folder-collections=PC-folders C:\MAIL\[], > > # Carson-folders {carson.u.washington.edu}mail/[] > > folder-collections={pima.dtcc.edu}Mail/[*] > > > > # One or more collections of news folders (e.g. *{news.u.washington.edu/nntp}[]) > > news-collections=*{apache.dtcc.edu/nntp}[] > > -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Mike F. Santangelo + Internet: mike@cbl.umd.edu [work] Dept. Head-Computer & Network Systems + mike@kavishar.umd.edu [home] UMCEES / CBL (Solomons Island) + BITNET: MIKE@UMUC [fwd to mike@cbl] From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Aug 9 23:05:28 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA16429; Mon, 9 Aug 93 23:05:28 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA11254; Mon, 9 Aug 93 22:57:58 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA11248; Mon, 9 Aug 93 22:57:55 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA06265; Mon, 9 Aug 93 22:57:48 -0700 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1993 22:55:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Hubert Reply-To: Steve Hubert Subject: Re: PCPINE 3.84a [remote] Folder Collections: Does it work?!? To: "Michael F. Santangelo" Cc: Michael Seibel , Ken Weaverling , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: > You know, we have never gotten PINE at our site to do news! We run > INN v1.2 on a DECstation with 'nn' and 'tin' news reader, with > several UNIX clients. Yet, when I try "g" and type for instance: > "/news/spool/comp/os/vms" (a valid newsgroup) I get "Unknown file format" > everytime. I have symbolic links for /usr/lib/news (for ACTIVEFILE > def in os_ult.h) and /usr/spool/news (for NEWSSPOOL def in os_ult.h). > > ...what am I doing wrong? Select the news collection in the folder lister, type "g" and type a newsgroup with the syntax "comp.os.vms". That should test the NNTP part of it. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Aug 10 00:50:10 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA17997; Tue, 10 Aug 93 00:50:10 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA00825; Tue, 10 Aug 93 00:40:56 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tomobiki-cho.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA00819; Tue, 10 Aug 93 00:40:54 -0700 Received: from localhost by Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (NX5.67d/UW-NDC Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA03934; Tue, 10 Aug 93 00:40:49 -0700 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1993 00:35:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: PCPINE 3.84a [remote] Folder Collections: Does it work?!? To: "Michael F. Santangelo" Cc: Michael Seibel , Ken Weaverling , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 9 Aug 1993 23:54:06 -0400 (EDT), Michael F. Santangelo wrote: > So the IMAPD process won't read the .newsrc file in the home directory > of my UNIX acct remotely? I have to FTP a .newsrc file to the c:\PINE > directory on the PC? if so, what do I call it ("NEWSRC")? This is incorrect. imapd *WILL* read the .newsrc file in the home directory of the UNIX account remotely, if you open a news connection using IMAP. However, if you open a news connection using NNTP, the newsrc data must reside on the client (that is, on the PC if you are using PC Pine). Note that there is a bug in the distributed version of PC Pine having to do with getting a list of newsgroups in an IMAP-based news collection. This bug has been fixed, but I don't think that version of PC Pine has been released yet. These features are not yet in the distributed version of UNIX Pine. > when I try "g" and type for instance: > "/news/spool/comp/os/vms" (a valid newsgroup) I get "Unknown file format" > everytime. Try G followed by *comp.os.vms Also, you'll be pleased to know that the IMAP toolkit (mail/imap.tar.Z on ftp.cac.washington.edu) now includes patch files and instructions for installing shadow password capability for Ultrix and SUN-OS. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Aug 10 01:56:56 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA19555; Tue, 10 Aug 93 01:56:56 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA12251; Tue, 10 Aug 93 01:47:44 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from louie.udel.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA12245; Tue, 10 Aug 93 01:47:41 -0700 Received: from apache.dtcc.edu by louie.udel.edu id aa29653; 10 Aug 93 4:45 EDT Received: from weave by apache.dtcc.edu (5.4.2/5.40/1.0) id AA04791; Tue, 10 Aug 1993 04:45:33 -0400 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1993 04:40:14 PDT From: Ken Weaverling Subject: Re: PCPINE 3.84a [remote] Folder Collections: Does it work?!? To: Mark Crispin Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: > > imapd *WILL* read the .newsrc file in the home directory of the UNIX account > remotely, if you open a news connection using IMAP. Got this to work, almost... Just tried following first... # One or more collections of news folders (e.g. *{news.u.washington.edu/nntp}[]) news-collections=*{apache.dtcc.edu/imap}[] It sat for a while, then bombed with a "Bug detected in Pine, can't resize memory" or similar error (I have a very large Unix .newsrc file, but it is still ungraceful!) I then altered it to news-collections=*{apache.dtcc.edu/imap}[dtcc*] ... to pick up our local newsgroups (around 7). It then came back with a list of groups which were correct, but when I tried to select one, it said... no such bboard: {apache.dtcc.edu/imap}dtcc.weather From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Aug 10 09:16:30 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA28202; Tue, 10 Aug 93 09:16:30 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA15867; Tue, 10 Aug 93 09:07:24 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from starburst.umd.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA15857; Tue, 10 Aug 93 09:07:21 -0700 Received: by starburst.umd.edu (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/NeXT-2.0) id AA00484; Tue, 10 Aug 93 12:00:41 EDT Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1993 11:58:29 -0400 (EDT) From: "Michael F. Santangelo" Subject: ?Header problem To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Any mail sent from PCPINE 3.84a arrives with a header than UNIX PINE (3.07) seems a little confused by. The from-field in the list of messages says "To: " and the address the mail message was sent to rather than the PC's nodename or at least the Personal Name. If I go into ugly old UNIX 'mail' and do an 'h' the from field is more or less what it should be in the list (says username@ which I have set to "mike@cbl.umd.edu" our email server). Any ideas? -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Mike F. Santangelo + Internet: mike@cbl.umd.edu [work] Dept. Head-Computer & Network Systems + mike@kavishar.umd.edu [home] UMCEES / CBL (Solomons Island) + BITNET: MIKE@UMUC [fwd to mike@cbl] From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Aug 10 09:55:34 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA29306; Tue, 10 Aug 93 09:55:34 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA16470; Tue, 10 Aug 93 09:46:41 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from starburst.umd.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA16462; Tue, 10 Aug 93 09:46:38 -0700 Received: by starburst.umd.edu (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/NeXT-2.0) id AA00851; Tue, 10 Aug 93 12:39:58 EDT Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1993 12:39:00 -0400 (EDT) From: "Michael F. Santangelo" Subject: ?Remote address books in PCPINE To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Does PCPINE/IMAP 3 support accessing remote address books? Many of our administrative users have set up address books on their UNIX PINE accounts. -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Mike F. Santangelo + Internet: mike@cbl.umd.edu [work] Dept. Head-Computer & Network Systems + mike@kavishar.umd.edu [home] UMCEES / CBL (Solomons Island) + BITNET: MIKE@UMUC [fwd to mike@cbl] From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Aug 10 11:52:46 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA06487; Tue, 10 Aug 93 11:52:46 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA18699; Tue, 10 Aug 93 11:43:52 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from muwayb.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA18693; Tue, 10 Aug 93 11:43:49 -0700 Received: from werple.apana.org.au by muwayb.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (PMDF V4.2-11 #4399) id <01H1LUMJNA28004ZXX@muwayb.ucs.unimelb.edu.au>; Wed, 11 Aug 1993 04:43:37 +1000 Received: by werple.apana.org.au id AA00609 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for apana-lists-mail-pine); Wed, 11 Aug 1993 04:43:39 +1000 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1993 04:43:39 +1000 From: Andrew Herbert Subject: testing To: apana-lists-mail-pine@werple.apana.org.au Message-Id: <199308101843.AA00609@werple.apana.org.au> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O X-Status: From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Aug 10 11:54:37 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA06552; Tue, 10 Aug 93 11:54:37 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA18765; Tue, 10 Aug 93 11:47:12 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from muwayb.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA18759; Tue, 10 Aug 93 11:47:10 -0700 Received: from werple.apana.org.au by muwayb.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (PMDF V4.2-11 #4399) id <01H1LUQR5Q0G00408S@muwayb.ucs.unimelb.edu.au>; Wed, 11 Aug 1993 04:47:02 +1000 Received: by werple.apana.org.au id AA00740 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for apana-lists-mail-pine); Wed, 11 Aug 1993 04:47:01 +1000 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1993 04:47:01 +1000 From: Andrew Herbert Subject: oops! To: apana-lists-mail-pine@werple.apana.org.au Message-Id: <199308101847.AA00740@werple.apana.org.au> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O X-Status: People, My apologies for the previous "test" mail from me - it's late and I mailed the list rather than my local mail-news gateway. Andrew From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Aug 10 14:00:16 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA10435; Tue, 10 Aug 93 14:00:16 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA20760; Tue, 10 Aug 93 13:50:28 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA20754; Tue, 10 Aug 93 13:50:27 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA27720; Tue, 10 Aug 93 13:50:20 -0700 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1993 13:47:16 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: ?Remote address books in PCPINE To: "Michael F. Santangelo" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: No. The remote addressbook issue is something that is going to be addressed in Pine 4.0, due out this fall, but it is not available yet. There will certainly be support for IMSP addressbooks and quite possibly for CCSO based addressbooks. The details of how to handle them have not been worked out yet. -- |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 10 Aug 1993, Michael F. Santangelo wrote: > Does PCPINE/IMAP 3 support accessing remote address books? Many of > our administrative users have set up address books on their UNIX PINE > accounts. > > -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > Mike F. Santangelo + Internet: mike@cbl.umd.edu [work] > Dept. Head-Computer & Network Systems + mike@kavishar.umd.edu [home] > UMCEES / CBL (Solomons Island) + BITNET: MIKE@UMUC [fwd to mike@cbl] > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Aug 10 14:05:50 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA10627; Tue, 10 Aug 93 14:05:50 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA20788; Tue, 10 Aug 93 13:51:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from starburst.umd.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA20782; Tue, 10 Aug 93 13:51:44 -0700 Received: by starburst.umd.edu (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/NeXT-2.0) id AA01303; Tue, 10 Aug 93 16:45:04 EDT Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1993 16:44:21 -0400 (EDT) From: "Michael F. Santangelo" Subject: Re: ?Remote address books in PCPINE To: David L Miller Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 10 Aug 1993, David L Miller wrote: > > No. The remote addressbook issue is something that is going to be > addressed in Pine 4.0, due out this fall, but it is not available yet. > There will certainly be support for IMSP addressbooks and quite possibly > for CCSO based addressbooks. The details of how to handle them have not > been worked out yet. > Ack! More acronyms! Yea, haven't heard of IMSP/CCSO, these proposed standards for handling such things? Thanks for the reply. > > On Tue, 10 Aug 1993, Michael F. Santangelo wrote: > > > Does PCPINE/IMAP 3 support accessing remote address books? Many of > > our administrative users have set up address books on their UNIX PINE > > accounts. > > > > -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > Mike F. Santangelo + Internet: mike@cbl.umd.edu [work] > > Dept. Head-Computer & Network Systems + mike@kavishar.umd.edu [home] > > UMCEES / CBL (Solomons Island) + BITNET: MIKE@UMUC [fwd to mike@cbl] > > > > > > > -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Mike F. Santangelo + Internet: mike@cbl.umd.edu [work] Dept. Head-Computer & Network Systems + mike@kavishar.umd.edu [home] UMCEES / CBL (Solomons Island) + BITNET: MIKE@UMUC [fwd to mike@cbl] From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Aug 10 14:47:49 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA11880; Tue, 10 Aug 93 14:47:49 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA21482; Tue, 10 Aug 93 14:39:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA21474; Tue, 10 Aug 93 14:39:16 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA29376; Tue, 10 Aug 93 14:39:13 -0700 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1993 14:35:19 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller Reply-To: David L Miller Subject: Re: ?Remote address books in PCPINE To: "Michael F. Santangelo" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Yup, more acronyms! ;^) IMSP is the Interactive Mail Support Protocol and is being developed by John G. Meyers at Carnegie Mellon University. It is indeed on the standards track. There is currently an alpha-release of a server available and the "standard" is still changing. CCSO is a nameserver developed by the Computer and Communications Services Office (hence the acronym) or the University of Illinois at Urbana. It is in fairly wide use and can also be interfaced to mail delivery agents for name resolution. -- |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 10 Aug 1993, Michael F. Santangelo wrote: > On Tue, 10 Aug 1993, David L Miller wrote: > > > > > No. The remote addressbook issue is something that is going to be > > addressed in Pine 4.0, due out this fall, but it is not available yet. > > There will certainly be support for IMSP addressbooks and quite possibly > > for CCSO based addressbooks. The details of how to handle them have not > > been worked out yet. > > > > Ack! More acronyms! Yea, haven't heard of IMSP/CCSO, these proposed > standards for handling such things? > > Thanks for the reply. > > > > > On Tue, 10 Aug 1993, Michael F. Santangelo wrote: > > > > > Does PCPINE/IMAP 3 support accessing remote address books? Many of > > > our administrative users have set up address books on their UNIX PINE > > > accounts. > > > > > > -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > Mike F. Santangelo + Internet: mike@cbl.umd.edu [work] > > > Dept. Head-Computer & Network Systems + mike@kavishar.umd.edu [home] > > > UMCEES / CBL (Solomons Island) + BITNET: MIKE@UMUC [fwd to mike@cbl] > > > > > > > > > > > > > -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > Mike F. Santangelo + Internet: mike@cbl.umd.edu [work] > Dept. Head-Computer & Network Systems + mike@kavishar.umd.edu [home] > UMCEES / CBL (Solomons Island) + BITNET: MIKE@UMUC [fwd to mike@cbl] > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Aug 10 15:08:22 1993 Received: by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA12637; Tue, 10 Aug 93 15:08:22 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tsippi.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA12631; Tue, 10 Aug 93 15:08:19 -0700 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1993 14:56:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Sheryl Erez Subject: re: ?Header problem To: "Michael F. Santangelo" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: This does not sound surprising. When you are in Pine (any Pine) and looking at the index of messages in a folder, Pine will tell you who the message is from. However, if Pine detects that the message sender (From: line) is the same person as the person currently running Pine, then Pine tells you who the message is to, not from. This is helpful when looking at the FOLDER INDEX of a sent-mail folder. It also helps point out messages which you wrote. It sounds like you have the user-id and domain set the same for both Pine and PC-Pine, so they detect that messages sent from either plat- form are really from you. To test the theory and verify that PC-Pine messages are in fact OK, use PC-Pine to compose a message to somebody other than yourself. Have that other person use UNIX Pine 3.07 to view the message and see what comes up. Sheryl Erez erez@cac.washington.edu UW Network Information Center On Tue, 10 Aug 1993 11:58:29 -0400 (EDT), Michael F. Santangelo wrote: > Subject: ?Header problem > To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu > > Any mail sent from PCPINE 3.84a arrives with a header than UNIX PINE (3.07) > seems a little confused by. The from-field in the list of messages > says "To: " and the address the mail message was sent to rather than > the PC's nodename or at least the Personal Name. If I go into ugly old > UNIX 'mail' and do an 'h' the from field is more or less what it should > be in the list (says username@ which I have set to > "mike@cbl.umd.edu" our email server). > > Any ideas? > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Aug 10 18:29:34 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA17434; Tue, 10 Aug 93 18:29:34 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA24455; Tue, 10 Aug 93 18:20:56 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from starburst.umd.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA24449; Tue, 10 Aug 93 18:20:53 -0700 Received: by starburst.umd.edu (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/NeXT-2.0) id AA01638; Tue, 10 Aug 93 21:14:14 EDT Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1993 21:13:52 -0400 (EDT) From: "Michael F. Santangelo" Subject: re: ?Header problem To: Sheryl Erez Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Thanks, I'll give it a try... -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Mike F. Santangelo + Internet: mike@cbl.umd.edu [work] Dept. Head-Computer & Network Systems + mike@kavishar.umd.edu [home] UMCEES / CBL (Solomons Island) + BITNET: MIKE@UMUC [fwd to mike@cbl] From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Aug 10 23:34:05 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA21271; Tue, 10 Aug 93 23:34:05 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA07056; Tue, 10 Aug 93 23:25:41 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tomobiki-cho.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA07050; Tue, 10 Aug 93 23:25:35 -0700 Received: from localhost by Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (NX5.67d/UW-NDC Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA05598; Tue, 10 Aug 93 23:25:30 -0700 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1993 23:18:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: PCPINE 3.84a [remote] Folder Collections: Does it work?!? To: Ken Weaverling Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 10 Aug 1993 04:40:14 PDT, Ken Weaverling wrote: > news-collections=*{apache.dtcc.edu/imap}[] > It sat for a while, then bombed with a "Bug detected in Pine, can't resize > memory" or similar error (I have a very large Unix .newsrc file, but it > is still ungraceful!) This is definitely a bug. I'll call it to my co-worker's attention. > I then altered it to > news-collections=*{apache.dtcc.edu/imap}[dtcc*] > ... to pick up our local newsgroups (around 7). It then came back with a > list of groups which were correct, but when I tried to select one, it > said... > no such bboard: {apache.dtcc.edu/imap}dtcc.weather This is a known bug in the current distribution version of PC Pine. It is fixed in the development sources, so it will be fixed when the source release is made. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Aug 11 13:44:22 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA13458; Wed, 11 Aug 93 13:44:22 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA11005; Wed, 11 Aug 93 13:33:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mercury.unt.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA10999; Wed, 11 Aug 93 13:33:15 -0700 Received: from oberon.nms.unt.edu by mercury.unt.edu with SMTP id AA22987 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 11 Aug 1993 15:33:12 -0500 Received: From CC1/WORKQUEUE by oberon.nms.unt.edu via Charon 3.4 with IPX id 100.930811153240.352; 11 Aug 93 15:33:11 +0600 Message-Id: To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Mark Thacker...CC1 LAN Manager" Organization: UNT Computing Center Date: 11 Aug 1993 15:32:12 CST6CDT Subject: Problems with Imap 3.0 under SunOS 4.1.3 (OS-MP 4.1b)? Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Mac v2.02 Status: RO X-Status: I am trying to make the latest imapd.tar.Z from cac.washington.edu on a Solbourne running OS-MP 4.1b (Sun OS 4.1.2 + some of 4.1.3). I have tried both gcc and normal non-ANSI cc with the following results: During the make, everything works fine until the following line. After which, the whole make blows up: cd ../c-client;make cc -g -Dconst= -target sun4 -c mbox.c "mbox.c", line 179: syntax error at or near type word "slock" "mbox.c", line 184: syntax error at or near type word "slock" "mbox.c", line 208: syntax error at or near type word "slock" *** Error code 1 make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `mbox.o' (none of the rest of the make works at all) Anyone have any ideas? I thought that Imap 3.0 was supposed to make under SunOS just fine? In fact, several people have told me that it does. Thanks! Mark ====================================================================== Mark Thacker Bitnet : MARK@UNTVAX Campus Wide Information System Coordinator THENET : NTVAXA::MARK Computing Center Internet : Thacker@unt.edu University of North Texas, Denton, Texas 76203 (817) 565-2568 ====================================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Aug 11 14:25:03 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA14617; Wed, 11 Aug 93 14:25:03 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA11192; Wed, 11 Aug 93 14:13:15 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tomobiki-cho.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA11186; Wed, 11 Aug 93 14:13:14 -0700 Received: from Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM by Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (NX5.67d/UW-NDC Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA06278; Wed, 11 Aug 93 14:13:05 -0700 Received: from localhost by Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (NX5.67c/UW-NDC/Panda Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA09301; Wed, 11 Aug 93 14:12:58 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1993 13:49:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Crispin Subject: re: Problems with Imap 3.0 under SunOS 4.1.3 (OS-MP 4.1b)? To: "Mark Thacker...CC1 LAN Manager" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I did not have this problem on our SUN-OS 4.1.3 system. My guess is that on your system the token ``slock'' is defined as something. In mbox.c, it is a temporary character array. My suggestion is to change all occurances of ``slock'' to some other word, and see if that fixes the problem. -- Mark -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Aug 11 15:07:40 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA15950; Wed, 11 Aug 93 15:07:40 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA06565; Wed, 11 Aug 93 14:59:52 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from dg-rtp.rtp.dg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA06559; Wed, 11 Aug 93 14:59:49 -0700 Received: from [128.222.82.103] by dg-rtp.dg.com (5.4.1/dg-rtp-proto) id AA26360; Wed, 11 Aug 1993 17:59:04 -0400 Received: by mirage.oz.dg.com (5.4R2.01/5.40/1.0) id AA16586; Thu, 12 Aug 1993 07:57:21 -0400 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1993 07:56:46 +0100 (EDT) From: Chris Kirkby Subject: Unsubscribe To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Could you please unsubscribe me from this group Thanks Chris ---------------------------+--------------------------------------------- Chris Kirkby | Internet: kirkby@happy.oz.dg.com Data General | ACSnet: kirkby@dgaust.dg.oz.au 407 Pacific Highway | CEO: Chris_Kirkby@DGA.ceo.dg.com Artarmon, Sydney, Australia | Phone: (61) 2 436-5600 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Aug 11 14:44:26 1993 Received: by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA15114; Wed, 11 Aug 93 14:44:26 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from pail.rain.com by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA15106; Wed, 11 Aug 93 14:44:15 -0700 Received: by pail.rain.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.21.1 #21.2) id ; Wed, 11 Aug 93 14:43 PDT Received: from bachelor.cascorp.com by mazama.cascorp.com with SMTP (1.37.109.4/4.0 Server UUCP) id AA28975; Wed, 11 Aug 93 10:58:58 -0700 From: David Bradford Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1993 10:57:15 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: "David L. Bradford" Subject: enhancement requests To: PINE Info In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII I'm using pine 3.07. It'd be nice to be able to: q quit from the folder screen i index (on highlighted folder) from the folder screen not have pine say [Unknown command: "f"] from folder screen (just ignore the "f" there) not have pine say [Unknown command: "m"] from the main menu (again, ignore it) Minor points, granted, but they would polish the operation of pine a bit. - Dave zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz David Bradford CAD/CAM Tech Support "The world's leading __ | Cascade Corporation, Portland, OR, USA producer of lift |__\_| Telephone...............(503) 669 6285 truck attachments" @--@|__ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- UUCP: uunet!pail!cascorp!dbradfor Internet: cascorp!dbradfor@pail.rain.com zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Aug 12 09:32:36 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA05972; Thu, 12 Aug 93 09:32:36 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA14775; Thu, 12 Aug 93 09:18:18 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA14769; Thu, 12 Aug 93 09:18:16 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA05042; Thu, 12 Aug 93 09:18:07 -0700 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1993 09:16:15 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Pine on RISK 6000 To: Mahbuba Ferdousi Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, lgl@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Right now, it is looking like the end of of August. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Thu, 12 Aug 1993, Mahbuba Ferdousi wrote: > > > On Mon, 26 Jul 1993, David L Miller wrote: > > > > > Pine 3.85 will be released in a couple weeks and will include a fully > > functional port for the RS/6000. > > > > Do you have any ideas when the above will be available especially for > RS/6000?? We are very interested. > > Thanks in advance, > Mahbuba Ferdousi > Consultant > Academic Computing > Emory University > > > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Aug 12 09:32:57 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA06006; Thu, 12 Aug 93 09:32:57 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA15843; Thu, 12 Aug 93 09:06:51 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from emoryu1.cc.emory.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA15839; Thu, 12 Aug 93 09:06:48 -0700 Received: by emoryu1.cc.emory.edu (5.65/Emory_cc.3.4.6) via MAILPROG id AA04266 ; Thu, 12 Aug 93 12:06:45 -0400 Return-Path: usmf@unix.cc.emory.edu Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1993 12:04:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Mahbuba Ferdousi Subject: Re: Pine on RISK 6000 To: David L Miller Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, lgl@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 26 Jul 1993, David L Miller wrote: > > Pine 3.85 will be released in a couple weeks and will include a fully > functional port for the RS/6000. > Do you have any ideas when the above will be available especially for RS/6000?? We are very interested. Thanks in advance, Mahbuba Ferdousi Consultant Academic Computing Emory University From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Aug 12 09:37:35 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA06386; Thu, 12 Aug 93 09:37:35 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA15944; Thu, 12 Aug 93 09:29:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from henson.cc.wwu.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA15938; Thu, 12 Aug 93 09:29:15 -0700 Received: by henson.cc.wwu.edu (5.65/WWU-H1.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.26 ) id AA27115; Thu, 12 Aug 1993 09:27:41 -0700 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1993 09:27:41 -0700 From: J. Scott Williams Message-Id: <9308121627.AA27115@henson.cc.wwu.edu> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: PC-Pine as DOS App. Within Windows? Do readers of this list have wisdom to share about starting PC-Pine 3.84 under MS-Windows as a DOS application and then running it in the background such that email notification parts of PC-Pine work? -jscott- ---------- |J. Scott Williams Ph: (206) 650-2868 FAX: (206) 650-6548 | |Academic Tech. User Services Internet: scott@henson.cc.wwu.edu | |Western Washington Univ. "Internet--Talking across the electronic| |Bellingham, WA 98225-9094 back fence of the world."-JSW| From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Aug 12 10:44:19 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA07982; Thu, 12 Aug 93 10:44:19 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA16312; Thu, 12 Aug 93 10:35:37 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from cville-srv.wam.umd.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA16306; Thu, 12 Aug 93 10:35:34 -0700 Received: from rac1.wam.umd.edu (rac3.wam.umd.edu) by cville-srv.wam.umd.edu with SMTP id AA01895 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4); Thu, 12 Aug 1993 13:35:31 -0400 Received: by rac1.wam.umd.edu id AA07709 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4); Thu, 12 Aug 1993 13:35:29 -0400 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1993 13:34:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Highway 'The Legend of Billie Jean' Man Subject: Re: Pine on RISK 6000 To: Mahbuba Ferdousi Cc: David L Miller , pine-info@cac.washington.edu, lgl@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Would love the information too... considering my job has a RS/6000 over here... :) --------------------- [ National Service Fraternity ] ---------------------- UU UU MM MM DDDDDD highway@wam.umd.edu EEEEEEE MM MM UU UU MMM MMM DD DD "the snuggly, cuddly care bear" EE MMM MMM UU UU MM M MM DD DD 124 Englefield Drive EEEEE MM M MM UU UU MM MM DD DD Gaithersburg, MD 20878 EE MM MM UUUUUUU MM MM DDDDDD (301) 948-5174 EEEEEEE MM MM University of Maryland Internet: highway@wam.umd.edu Epsilon Mu College Park Bitnet: tcwu@umdd.bitnet Alpha Phi Omega ----------------- [ In Leadership, Friendship & Service ] ------------------ {What is your name?} (Jean-Luc Picard.) {What is your quest?} (To seek out new life and civilization.) {What is the average warp speed of a bird of prey?} (Klingon or Romulan?) {What? I don't know that??!?! AIIIIEEEEEEEEE!!!!} From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Aug 12 11:55:06 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA10141; Thu, 12 Aug 93 11:55:06 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA17032; Thu, 12 Aug 93 11:45:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from terminus.cs.umb.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA17026; Thu, 12 Aug 93 11:45:44 -0700 Received: by terminus.cs.umb.edu id AA08756 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Thu, 12 Aug 1993 14:45:43 -0400 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1993 14:45:43 -0400 From: Robert Morris Message-Id: <199308121845.AA08756@terminus.cs.umb.edu> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: forwarding agents too compliant Reply-To: ram@cs.umb.edu Recognizing that I'm compounding the problem with my citation , I'd like to throw out an observation and ask whether any existing or contemplated mechanisms address it, either in the Pine community or elsewhere. The message below arrived here with (at least) 2268 characters, counting the 80 bytes of consequential content. No doubt it went to hundreds or thousands of recipients. About 2/3 of the uninteresting bytes are RFC-822 fields, about 1/3 is the user's signature file. So my question is this: are there mail forwarding agents and protocols which say something like: "I've thrown away N bytes of header and M bytes of content and am forwarding this message without authentication". A lot of mailing lists would benefit from this. (I am not talking about presenting less to the user. Like most competent mailers, Pine can do this. I'm talking about automatically _forwarding_ less than the received message). Bob Morris ----- Ahh, I haven't the stomach to forward the whole thing. It had five Received: entries, and also Errors-To: Sender: Date: From: Subject: To: Cc: In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: Content-Type: and 900 bytes of cutesy signature. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Aug 12 15:07:12 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA15407; Thu, 12 Aug 93 15:07:12 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA19297; Thu, 12 Aug 93 14:51:40 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA19291; Thu, 12 Aug 93 14:51:38 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA10590; Thu, 12 Aug 93 14:51:35 -0700 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1993 14:39:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Hubert Subject: Re: forwarding agents too compliant To: Robert Morris Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <199308121845.AA08756@terminus.cs.umb.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > So my question is this: are there mail > forwarding agents and protocols which say something like: "I've thrown > away N bytes of header and M bytes of content and am forwarding this > message without authentication". A lot of mailing lists would benefit > from this. (I am not talking about presenting less to the user. Like > most competent mailers, Pine can do this. I'm talking about automatically > _forwarding_ less than the received message). > > Bob Morris It is certainly possible to configure the list exploder to remove pieces of the message, and, for that matter, to configure mail transport agents to do the same. However, the Host Requirements RFC requires that each transport agent along the way adds a Received line, and 99% of the mail administrators on the Internet would be upset if they weren't there. All those header lines are about all you have to go on when there is a problem, and there *is* is problem. Received lines are our friends, Steve Hubert From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Aug 12 15:55:28 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA16505; Thu, 12 Aug 93 15:55:28 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA20087; Thu, 12 Aug 93 15:43:12 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from acs1.acs.ucalgary.ca by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA20077; Thu, 12 Aug 93 15:42:52 -0700 Received: by acs1.acs.ucalgary.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA62292; Thu, 12 Aug 1993 16:43:20 -0600 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1993 16:43:20 -0600 From: wowoc@acs.ucalgary.ca (Witold Owoc) Message-Id: <9308122243.AA62292@acs1.acs.ucalgary.ca> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: forwarding agents too compliant On original ListServer a user can get either: - SHORT headers (ListServer strips everything), so one gets only headers on route from ListServer - FULL headers (ListServer passes everything untouched). Witold Owoc From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Aug 13 12:05:57 1993 Received: by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA10220; Fri, 13 Aug 93 12:05:57 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tsippi.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA10207; Fri, 13 Aug 93 12:05:35 -0700 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1993 11:51:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Sheryl Erez Subject: re: enhancement requests To: dbradfor%cascorp@pail.rain.com Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII David, In May and June, we did some changes to try to make Pine's user interface as good as it can be. I don't think it is a coincidence that three of the four things you mention were fixed at that time. The only one we left (after *much* discussion) was: > i index (on highlighted folder) from the folder screen There is an inherent dilemma in the FOLDER LIST (new name for folder screen): Users need to be able to choose a new folder, but they also need to be able to change their minds and stick with the folder they were in before. In the newest version of Pine (3.84/3.85, due out real soon now), you press "v" or to get to the index of the currently highlighted folder. You press "i" to get to the index of the folder which was open when you started with the FOLDER LIST. Sheryl Erez erez@cac.washington.edu UW Network Information Center On Wed, 11 Aug 1993 10:57:15 -0700 (PDT), David Bradford wrote: > Subject: enhancement requests > To: PINE Info > > > I'm using pine 3.07. It'd be nice to be able to: > > q quit from the folder screen > i index (on highlighted folder) from the folder screen > not have pine say [Unknown command: "f"] from folder screen (just > ignore the "f" there) > not have pine say [Unknown command: "m"] from the main menu > (again, ignore it) > > Minor points, granted, but they would polish the operation of pine a bit. > > - Dave From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Aug 13 13:03:15 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA11486; Fri, 13 Aug 93 13:03:15 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA23028; Fri, 13 Aug 93 12:50:35 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from gursey.baruch.cuny.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA23022; Fri, 13 Aug 93 12:50:32 -0700 Received: by gursey.baruch.cuny.edu (NX5.67c/NX3.0M) id AA02607; Fri, 13 Aug 93 15:49:41 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1993 15:48:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Rand Subject: sign me off To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Could you please unsubscribe me from this group Thanks Michael rand@gursey.baruch.cuny.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Aug 15 11:19:17 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA13631; Sun, 15 Aug 93 11:19:17 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA01959; Sun, 15 Aug 93 11:09:13 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from emoryu1.cc.emory.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA01955; Sun, 15 Aug 93 11:09:08 -0700 Received: by emoryu1.cc.emory.edu (5.65/Emory_cc.3.4.6) via MAILPROG id AA25589 ; Sun, 15 Aug 93 14:08:59 -0400 Return-Path: labsha@unix.cc.emory.edu Date: Sun, 15 Aug 93 14:08:59 -0400 From: labsha@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu (Shyela Aberman) Message-Id: <9308151808.AA25589@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> To: helpdesk@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu, pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: pine error on "about to end_tty_driver" Hello, Using Pine 3.05 under SunOS 4.1.x (I think it is 4.1.3, but I'm not sure.), I keep on getting the following error: Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal". Exiting pine. Floating exception It occurs when I am switching views from one piece of mail to the next in the queue. All the .pine-debug# files report "about to end_tty_driver", but only some have "Pine Panic: Received abort signal" after that. I have included a pine-debug file for reference, but there doesn't seem to be any other info than what I have already written. So, the question is, is this a known bug? Is it a bug in pine or in SunOS? If pine, is it fixed in 3.07 or will it be fixed in the upcoming general release? If SunOS, is there a fix or a workaround available? Thankyou, shy aberman labsha@emory.edu included .pine-debug1 file: ---------- Debug output of the Pine program (at debug level 2). Version 3.05 Sun Aug 15 13:41:07 1993 reading_pinerc "/usr/local/lib/pine.conf" Open failed: No such file or directory reading_pinerc "/home/emoryu1/labs/labsha/.pinerc" Read 1684 characters pinerc : /home/emoryu : personal-name : "Shyela Aberman" pinerc : /home/emoryu : printer : "lpr -P aclw" pinerc : /home/emoryu : personal-print-comma : "lpr -P aclw" pinerc : /home/emoryu : last-time-prune-ques : "93.8" pinerc : /home/emoryu : user-domain : "emoryu1.cc.emory.edu" pinerc : /home/emoryu : inbox-path : "/usr/spool/mail/labsha" pinerc : /home/emoryu : default-fcc : "/home/emoryu1/labs/labsha/mail/record" pinerc : /home/emoryu : editor : "vi" pinerc : /home/emoryu : feature-level : "old-growth" pinerc : /home/emoryu : signature-file : ".sig" pinerc : /home/emoryu : mail-directory : "mail" pinerc : /home/emoryu : show-all-characters : "yes" user-id : personal-name : Shyela Aberman printer : lpr -P aclw attached-to-ansi lpr -P aclw personal-print-co : lpr -P aclw lpr -P aclw standard-printer : lpr lpr last-time-prune-q : 93.8 93.8 user-domain : emoryu1.cc.emory.e emoryu1.cc.emory.e use-only-domain-n : no no inbox-path : /usr/spool/mail/la inbox /usr/spool/mail/la elm-style-save : no no header-in-reply : no no default-fcc : /home/emoryu1/labs sent-mail /home/emoryu1/labs bugs-nickname : bugs-fullname : bugs-address : smtp-server : editor : vi vi image-viewer : feature-level : old-growth sapling old-growth old-style-reply : no no signature-file : .sig .signature .sig mail-directory : mail mail mail compose-mime : character-set : show-all-characte : yes yes new-version : Userid: labsha Fullname: "Shyela Aberman" Password: ##labsha User domain name being used "emoryu1.cc.emory.edu" Local Domain name being used "cc.emory.edu" Host name being used "emoryu1.cc.emory.edu" Mail Domain name being used "emoryu1.cc.emory.edu" new win size -----<24 80>------ Terminal type: dec-vt100 About to open folder "inbox" inbox: "inbox" Opened folder "/usr/spool/mail/labsha" with 299 messages Sorting by arrival ---- MAIN_MENU_SCREEN ---- ---- MAIL INDEX ---- ----- MAIL VIEW ----- about to end_tty_driver Pine Panic: Received abort signal From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Aug 16 06:57:05 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA26775; Mon, 16 Aug 93 06:57:05 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA20901; Mon, 16 Aug 93 06:39:34 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from uu5.psi.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA20895; Mon, 16 Aug 93 06:39:32 -0700 Received: from teraluna.UUCP by uu5.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA00247 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 93 22:39:52 -0400 Received: by TerraLuna.Org (1.65/waf) via UUCP; Sun, 15 Aug 93 22:20:12 EDT for pine-info@cac.washington.edu To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Waffle Pine? From: stevegt@terraluna.org (Steve Traugott) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 15 Aug 93 22:19:11 EDT Organization: ---TerraLuna------* ...Organizational Engineering Is anyone working on a port of Pine to the DOS/Waffle environment? Steve --- . . ` * Steve Traugott ` . * + stevegt@TerraLuna.Org ...Organizational Evolution + ` . . stevegt@well.sf.ca.us Unix/Internet Systems Engineer . UUs-L@UBVM.BITNET List Manager Currently contracting in Summit, NJ . stevegt@usl.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Aug 16 08:59:12 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA29588; Mon, 16 Aug 93 08:59:12 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA22482; Mon, 16 Aug 93 08:50:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA22476; Mon, 16 Aug 93 08:50:05 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA06826; Mon, 16 Aug 93 08:50:01 -0700 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1993 08:46:27 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller Reply-To: David L Miller Subject: Re: Waffle Pine? To: Steve Traugott Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII What format does Waffle store messages in? We are looking at writing a driver for QWK format message stores. If Waffle uses QWK then we will probably be supporting it in a future release. If not, do you have specifications for how it stores incoming/outgoing mail? |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Sun, 15 Aug 1993, Steve Traugott wrote: > Is anyone working on a port of Pine to the DOS/Waffle environment? > > Steve > --- . . ` * > Steve Traugott ` . * + stevegt@TerraLuna.Org > ...Organizational Evolution + ` . . stevegt@well.sf.ca.us > Unix/Internet Systems Engineer . UUs-L@UBVM.BITNET List Manager > Currently contracting in Summit, NJ . stevegt@usl.com > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Aug 17 08:46:42 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA00119; Tue, 17 Aug 93 08:46:42 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA06221; Tue, 17 Aug 93 08:30:40 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from swiss.ucs.ubc.ca by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA06215; Tue, 17 Aug 93 08:30:38 -0700 Received: by swiss.ucs.ubc.ca (4.1/1.14) id AA24225; Tue, 17 Aug 93 08:30:37 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1993 08:26:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Rob Bains Subject: Re: Pine for the DG port (fwd) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've been suggested to contact you in regards to porting Pine on to the DG platform. Has this been done yet? or are their any plans to provide this port in the future? Please let me know. Thanx!! -- Rob ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1993 16:12:23 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: Rob Bains , pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine for the DG port Actually, it has bee brought to my attention that you should also check with the pine-info list to see if someone has done a port that they haven't told us about. The list address is pine-info@cac.washington.edu. To subscribe to pine-info, send a note to majordomo@cac.washington.edu with "subscribe pine-info" in the body of the message. On Tue, 10 Aug 1993, David L Miller wrote: > > This is the place to ask. Unfortunately, we do not currently have a DG > port of Pine. We have been doing alot of work on making it more portable > though, so you might want to try it again when version 3.85 comes out > later this month. > > -- > |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 > |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) > University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing > 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA > > > On Tue, 10 Aug 1993, Rob Bains wrote: > > > > > Hi; > > > > This may not be the correct place to ask this question. My apologies for > > not being able to identify the key person to speak to. We have Pine > > installed on a number of machines from a number of different vendors > > including Sun, SGI, HP, and IBM RS/6000. It is working very nicely. Our > > users are now so addicted to pine that they find it impossible to live > > without it. This has resulted in a user request that we must have Pine > > installed on a DG machine. The DG port is not supported for this > > version of Pine. I tried installing Pine using a number of different > > platforms. I had no success with that at all. So is there anyone out > > there who might have achieved this? Or, has this port been reccently added > > to the list of supported platforms? I would greatly appreciate any > > suggestions and comments that will make it possible for me install Pine on > > DG. If needed, my telephone number is (604) 822-5297, and my e-mail > > address is: > > > > rbains@ucs.ubc.ca > > > > Thank you in advance for your assistance. > > > > Best Regards. > > > > > > -- Rob > > > > > > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Aug 17 11:39:47 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA07018; Tue, 17 Aug 93 11:39:47 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA09544; Tue, 17 Aug 93 11:30:06 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from netcomsv.netcom.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA09538; Tue, 17 Aug 93 11:30:04 -0700 Received: from wndrsvr.UUCP by netcomsv.netcom.com with UUCP (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08207; Tue, 17 Aug 93 11:30:56 PDT Received: by wndrsvr (5.65/1.35) id AA07933; Tue, 17 Aug 93 11:05:17 -0700 From: andyb@wndrsvr.la.ca.us (Andy) Message-Id: <9308171805.AA07933@wndrsvr> Subject: Re: your mail To: pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu, pine-info@cac.washington.edu Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1993 11:05:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: from "Jay Pfaffman" at Aug 13, 93 10:38:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1278 Bingo. I had thought I had introduced a new bug when I did the port to ISC. Now I'm not so sure. I notice that the subject: header states "Re: your mail", instead of whatever subject line it started with. I wonder if anyone else has noticed this? I'm also using pine 3.05 - Andy > If you're just interested in seeing how a client works, you might just > look at the mtest program that comes with the IMAP client. It should be > enough to see how to build a client w/o having to wade through lots of > other stuff. > > Jay Pfaffman pfaffman@relax.des.edu > Hoboken, NJ 07030 pfaffman@pilot.njin.net -- > 201-217-4241 (work) 201-569-9500 > > > On Fri, 13 Aug 1993, zul@cs.usm.my wrote: > > > > Hai... I'm interested on your pinepc..... using IMAP services... > > Can you post to me the source code for PCPINE.. I'm studying a mail tool > > and going to standardise our all mail in different platform that is unix > > ( SUN ) , Macintosh, and IBM PC compatible... May be I'll create my own > > mailtool for all platform or if you have pine on mac than I'll use pine > > as our standard mailtool... > > Hopefully I can get the source code for pcpine... So I'll get the idea > > how IMAP daemon can give the service... > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Aug 17 13:58:32 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA10495; Tue, 17 Aug 93 13:58:32 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA11426; Tue, 17 Aug 93 13:44:09 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from usc.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA11420; Tue, 17 Aug 93 13:44:08 -0700 Received: from Law.USC.EDU by usc.edu (4.1/SMI-3.0DEV3-USC+3.1) id AA02948; Tue, 17 Aug 93 13:44:05 PDT Received: from develop.Law.USC.EDU by Law.USC.EDU (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13484; Tue, 17 Aug 93 13:44:04 PDT Received: from hal.usc.edu by develop.Law.USC.EDU (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18797; Tue, 17 Aug 93 13:44:03 PDT Received: by hal.usc.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22087; Tue, 17 Aug 93 13:44:03 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1993 13:39:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Elmar Kurgpold Reply-To: Elmar Kurgpold Subject: Conflict with NIS aliases? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: (null) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Pardon me if this is a FAQ, but is there a conflict with Sun NIS aliases? When I send mail to an alias that is defined in NIS, say 'group', the address gets filled in as group@mymachine. I get an error from sendmail that says it doesn't recognize the user. However, if I use the regular /usr/ucb/mail or /bin/mail the mail goes through. If I log into my mail server to use pine, it never seems to have the problem. ------------------------- | Elmar Kurgpold | | Network Administrator | | USC Law Center | | ekurgpol@Law.USC.EDU | ------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Aug 17 22:51:09 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA20304; Tue, 17 Aug 93 22:51:09 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA15822; Tue, 17 Aug 93 22:43:39 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from uu5.psi.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA15816; Tue, 17 Aug 93 22:43:37 -0700 Received: from teraluna.UUCP by uu5.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA17173 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 93 01:30:07 -0400 Received: by TerraLuna.Org (1.65/waf) via UUCP; Wed, 18 Aug 93 01:27:18 EDT for pine-info@cac.washington.edu To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Waffle Pine? From: stevegt@terraluna.org (Steve Traugott) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 18 Aug 93 00:51:45 EDT Organization: ---TerraLuna------* ...Aerospace Operations Process Group David L Miller writes: > What format does Waffle store messages in? Indexed MMDF - four ^A's separate each message, and there's an additional index file to save time when sorting large mail folders. The inbox is named 'mailbox.f', and is in the user's home directory, accompanied by the index file, named 'mailbox.i'. Any other mail folders are also kept in the home directory, and named *.f and *.i. I haven't tried to figure out what the format of the index files is - I own a source license so it could be reverse-engineered. The location of the root of the user home directory tree (as well as a few other pertinent things) is stored in the Waffle configuration file, which is pointed to by the WAFFLE environment variable. These characteristics are true of both the DOS and UNIX versions of Waffle v1.65, which is the latest release. DOS Waffle has an external command facility which lets it call other mail and news readers seamlessly if they accept the user name on their command line or from an environment variable. Most ports of mail and news readers to the Waffle environment ignore various parts of the above - which makes them clumsier to use than their Waffle equivalents. > We are looking at writing a driver for QWK format message stores. Since I'm more of a UNIX person, I don't know the QWK format. Does it bear any resemblance at all to MMDF, and does it use indexes? My guess would be no on both counts, but it doesn't hurt to ask... ;-) Steve --- . . ` * Steve Traugott ` . * + stevegt@TerraLuna.Org ...Organizational Evolution + ` . . stevegt@well.sf.ca.us Unix/Internet Systems Engineer . UUs-L@UBVM.BITNET List Manager Currently contracting in Summit, NJ . stevegt@usl.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Aug 18 08:26:37 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA00799; Wed, 18 Aug 93 08:26:37 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA20182; Wed, 18 Aug 93 08:14:35 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA20176; Wed, 18 Aug 93 08:14:34 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA25503; Wed, 18 Aug 93 08:14:29 -0700 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1993 08:11:23 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Waffle Pine? To: Steve Traugott Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Pine does support MMDF style mailboxes. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 18 Aug 1993, Steve Traugott wrote: > David L Miller writes: > > > What format does Waffle store messages in? > > Indexed MMDF - four ^A's separate each message, and there's an > additional index file to save time when sorting large mail folders. > > The inbox is named 'mailbox.f', and is in the user's home directory, > accompanied by the index file, named 'mailbox.i'. Any other mail > folders are also kept in the home directory, and named *.f and *.i. > > I haven't tried to figure out what the format of the index files is - > I own a source license so it could be reverse-engineered. > > The location of the root of the user home directory tree (as well as a > few other pertinent things) is stored in the Waffle configuration > file, which is pointed to by the WAFFLE environment variable. > > These characteristics are true of both the DOS and UNIX versions of > Waffle v1.65, which is the latest release. > > DOS Waffle has an external command facility which lets it call other > mail and news readers seamlessly if they accept the user name on > their command line or from an environment variable. > > Most ports of mail and news readers to the Waffle environment ignore > various parts of the above - which makes them clumsier to use than > their Waffle equivalents. > > > We are looking at writing a driver for QWK format message stores. > > Since I'm more of a UNIX person, I don't know the QWK format. Does > it bear any resemblance at all to MMDF, and does it use indexes? My > guess would be no on both counts, but it doesn't hurt to ask... ;-) > > Steve > --- . . ` * > Steve Traugott ` . * + stevegt@TerraLuna.Org > ...Organizational Evolution + ` . . stevegt@well.sf.ca.us > Unix/Internet Systems Engineer . UUs-L@UBVM.BITNET List Manager > Currently contracting in Summit, NJ . stevegt@usl.com > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Aug 18 09:20:41 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA02626; Wed, 18 Aug 93 09:20:41 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA21076; Wed, 18 Aug 93 09:07:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA21070; Wed, 18 Aug 93 09:07:30 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA27640; Wed, 18 Aug 93 09:07:29 -0700 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1993 09:06:56 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller Reply-To: David L Miller Subject: Waffle Pine? (MMDF) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Cc: Steve Traugott Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Following up on my previous message, quoting Mark Crispin: Yes, the latest c-client has an MMDF driver, or rather a driver which claims to support MMDF mailboxes. Unfortunately, it is not presently possible to use both the MMDF and Berkeley drivers in the same program without designating one or the other as the INBOX driver. I expect to solve this problem in the future. What this means is that at present, the best way to have Pine support it is to manually edit all reference to the bezerk driver to be to the mmdf driver (that is, replacing one with the other). Dynaming switching is still in the future. Note that I only have the word of the submitter of the MMDF driver that it works at all; we don't use MMDF here so I have no way of testing it. I have received a report that an assumption made by the driver (that MMDF format is like Berkeley format except for the CTRL/A's) may not be correct. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Aug 18 21:49:10 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA23874; Wed, 18 Aug 93 21:49:10 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA21673; Wed, 18 Aug 93 21:28:12 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from xanth.CS.ORST.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA21667; Wed, 18 Aug 93 21:28:10 -0700 Received: by instruction.CS.ORST.EDU (1.37.109.4/1.35) id AA03180; Wed, 18 Aug 93 21:25:47 -0700 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1993 21:19:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jason R. Thorpe" Subject: Imap 3.0 on Sequent PTX 2.0.3... To: PINE Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sorry if this is a FAQ... I have just build and installed imapd and ipopd on 3 HPs and a Sequent... I love it...It's wonderful...HP performance is flawless... The problem is on the Sequent...An S81 Symmetry running PTX 2.0.3...I have problems logging in to the imap server on the sequent (from a Sun)... I tried connecting directly to the IMAP socket (telnet storm 143) and everything was fine... Trying... Connected to storm.cs.orst.edu. Escape character is '^]'. * OK storm.cs.orst.edu IMAP2bis Service 7.3(63) at Wed, 18 Aug 1993 21:25:59 -0700 (PDT) However, when I hit 'return'...I get... Connection closed by foreign host. When I do this on the HPs... Trying... Connected to xanth.cs.orst.edu. Escape character is '^]'. * OK xanth.CS.ORST.EDU IMAP2bis Service 7.3(63) at Wed, 18 Aug 1993 21:25:07 -0700 (PDT) * BAD Null command What's happening on storm (the Sequent?) Later... /***************************************************************************** Jason R. Thorpe - OSU Computer Science Support Staff Bellnet: (503) 623-8514 Internet: thorpej@prism.cs.orst.edu *****************************************************************************/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Aug 18 22:22:21 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA24395; Wed, 18 Aug 93 22:22:21 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA21823; Wed, 18 Aug 93 22:11:03 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tomobiki-cho.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA21817; Wed, 18 Aug 93 22:11:02 -0700 Received: from Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM by Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (NX5.67d/UW-NDC Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA15487; Wed, 18 Aug 93 22:10:55 -0700 Received: from localhost by Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (NX5.67c/UW-NDC/Panda Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA10671; Wed, 18 Aug 93 22:10:48 -0700 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1993 22:00:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Crispin Subject: re: Imap 3.0 on Sequent PTX 2.0.3... To: "Jason R. Thorpe" Cc: PINE In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Jason - Sorry for the problem. The text below should be part of an FAQ: For those of you who have the dubious fortune of using PTX, there is an additional little song and dance you have to do before building the servers in the IMAP toolkit, due to a charming ``feature'' in PTX. The inetd in PTX does not do a complete job in setting up the file descriptors for a program that runs under it. To work around this problem, somewhere in the beginning of imapd/imapd.c (and in ipopd/ipop2d.c and ipopd/ipop3d.c if you use the POP servers), insert these three lines: t_sync (0); ioctl (0,I_PUSH,"tirdwr"); dup2 (0,1); At some point in the future, this will occur automatically without users having to edit in this change. Probably at the same time Sequent will change PTX in a way that makes this workaround break things... -- Mark -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Aug 20 06:22:23 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA01751; Fri, 20 Aug 93 06:22:23 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA16478; Fri, 20 Aug 93 06:06:04 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA16472; Fri, 20 Aug 93 06:06:02 -0700 Received: from mimsy.UUCP by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.5/3.08) with UUCP id AA12030; Fri, 20 Aug 93 08:44:02 EDT Received: by mimsy.UMD.EDU (smail2.5) id AA29121; 20 Aug 93 08:43:48 EDT (Fri) Received: from ghost.uunet.ca (via uunet.ca) by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA07974; Fri, 20 Aug 93 08:33:40 -0400 Received: from moore by mail.uunet.ca with UUCP id <101682(1)>; Fri, 20 Aug 1993 08:33:36 -0400 Received: by moore.com (4.1/smail2.5/01-12-90) id AA16884; Fri, 20 Aug 93 08:23:03 EDT Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1993 08:21:07 -0400 From: Paul Maclauchlan Subject: Pine and WYSE 50 terminals To: Pine Info mailing list Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'd like to give PINE access to some of my users that only have access to WYSE 50 terminals. Unfortunately, the screen painting is not correct. Is there a fix for this? I'm using Pine 3.05 on SunOS 4.1.3. Thanks. -- .../Paul Maclauchlan Moore Corporation Limited, Toronto, Ontario (416) 364-2600 paul@moore.com -or- {...!uunet.ca,...!telly}!moore!paul "And the way she looked was way beyond compare."/PmcC'63 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Aug 20 08:29:33 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA04008; Fri, 20 Aug 93 08:29:33 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA17560; Fri, 20 Aug 93 08:18:06 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA17554; Fri, 20 Aug 93 08:18:04 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA12550; Fri, 20 Aug 93 08:18:00 -0700 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1993 08:16:01 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Pine and WYSE 50 terminals To: Paul Maclauchlan Cc: Pine Info mailing list In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Here is an excerpt from the last time this thread came up, posted by Edward K. Yagi : > Perhaps its your Termcap entry for that terminal. I am able to use Pine3.05a > at work on a true blue wyse50 fairly well. I just had to find the termcap > entry for that terminal. > > This is the termcap that has worked for me.. > > TERMCAP='wv|wyse-vp|wyse|Wyse 50 in ADDS Viewpoint emulation mode with > "enhance" on:\ > :am:do=^J:if=/usr/share/lib/tabset/wyse-adds:\ > :le=^H:bs:li#24:co#80:cm=\EY%+ %+ :cd=\Ek:ce=\EK:nd=^F:\ > :up=^Z:cl=^L:ho=^A:ll=^A^Z:kl=^U:kr=^F:kd=^J:ku=^Z:kh=^A:\ > :pt:so=^N:se=^O:us=^N:ue=^O:dl=\El:al=\EM:im=\Eq:ei=\Er:dc=\EW:\ > :is=\E`\072\E`9^O\Er:rs=\E`\072\E`9^O\Er:' > > I said 'fairly' well because I am unable to use the arrow keys on the > keypad. Control-P,Control-N etc for cursor movement all work, but Id > like to have the keypad cursor keys to work also. Looking at the termcap > info above, I tried changing the control sequences for ku,kd,kr,kl to > control-p, control-n, control-b, control-f but Pine still does not > recognise them. Any suggestions? > edman |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 20 Aug 1993, Paul Maclauchlan wrote: > > I'd like to give PINE access to some of my users that only have access to WYSE > 50 terminals. Unfortunately, the screen painting is not correct. > > Is there a fix for this? I'm using Pine 3.05 on SunOS 4.1.3. > > Thanks. > > -- > .../Paul Maclauchlan > Moore Corporation Limited, Toronto, Ontario (416) 364-2600 > paul@moore.com -or- {...!uunet.ca,...!telly}!moore!paul > "And the way she looked was way beyond compare."/PmcC'63 > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Aug 20 08:39:16 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA04286; Fri, 20 Aug 93 08:39:16 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA17667; Fri, 20 Aug 93 08:25:09 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from stein.u.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA17661; Fri, 20 Aug 93 08:25:07 -0700 Received: by stein.u.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA10386; Fri, 20 Aug 93 08:25:07 -0700 X-Sender: ketchell@stein.u.washington.edu Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1993 08:24:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Debra Ketchell Subject: Re: unsubscribe To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=us-ascii > unsubscribe me from this list. Because of the change with Milton here on campus, I can't get off except by listowner manually taking me off. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Debbie Ketchell Internet: ketchell@u.washington.edu Health Sciences Library Phone: 206.543.3409 University of Washington Fax: 206.543.8066 ------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Aug 20 08:19:32 1993 Received: by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA03708; Fri, 20 Aug 93 08:19:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from euler.math.ua.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA03702; Fri, 20 Aug 93 08:19:30 -0700 Received: by euler.math.ua.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03136; Fri, 20 Aug 93 10:19:29 CDT Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1993 10:18:46 -0500 (CDT) From: "Jeff A. Earickson" Subject: unsubscribe To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII unsubscribe me from this list. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Aug 20 10:55:56 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA08936; Fri, 20 Aug 93 10:55:56 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA19770; Fri, 20 Aug 93 10:43:59 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from stein2.u.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA19762; Fri, 20 Aug 93 10:43:57 -0700 Received: by stein2.u.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA26922; Fri, 20 Aug 93 10:43:56 -0700 X-Sender: mramey@stein2.u.washington.edu Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1993 10:39:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Ramey Reply-To: Mike Ramey Subject: pine; rename 'saved-messages' and 'sent-mail' ??? To: General Help Cc: Pine-Info Email List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Can I rename the 2 'special' folders: saved-messages -> saved sent-mail -> sent and still have then appear in the #2 and #3 positions on the folder list? As I recall, the .pinerc file has a line for specifying the name of the 'sent-mail' folder: default-fcc= but the .pinerc file does -not- allow specifying the name of the 'saved-messages' folder. Could this be added? WHY DO I WANT TO RENAME THESE FOLDERS ??? Because (1) I move between these folders frequently, and (2) the long names discourage me from using the "G" command. So I use "MF" instead. Short names for these folders would allow me to use the "G" command. I also want the new name ('saved') to be the default offered when I save messages ... UNLESS I have previously saved to another folder, then I want that last-used folder name offered instead. WHY DO I WANT THE FILES TO REMAIN IN THE #2 AND #3 POSITIONS ??? Because that's where they are most convenient (as you know). Can you display the other special folders ON THE FIRST LINE of the folder list also: postponed-message interrupted-message ... (are there others?) -Mike Ramey 685-0940 Wilcox-171 U-W Civil Eng FX-10 Seattle WA 98195. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Aug 20 11:17:29 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA09693; Fri, 20 Aug 93 11:17:29 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA20108; Fri, 20 Aug 93 11:06:31 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from red3.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA20096; Fri, 20 Aug 93 11:06:26 -0700 Received: by red3.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA00517; Fri, 20 Aug 93 11:06:23 -0700 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1993 11:03:03 -0700 (PDT) From: David Wall Subject: Re: pine; rename 'saved-messages' and 'sent-mail' ??? To: Mike Ramey Cc: General Help , Pine-Info Email List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Mike, I think you'd get almost everything you want by just creating a link in your folder directory: sent@ -> sent-mail As for the save to last folder used, you'll see that as a configuration option in the next release, I believe. # saved-msg-name-rule= determines default folder name for Saves... # Choose one: default-folder, by-sender, by-recipient last-folder-used # Normal default is "default-folder" saved-msg-name-rule= --David Wall Computing & Communications...Client Services 3-8491 Univ. of Washington HG-45 davidw@u.washington.edu On Fri, 20 Aug 1993, Mike Ramey wrote: > Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1993 10:39:38 -0700 (PDT) > From: Mike Ramey > To: General Help > Cc: Pine-Info Email List > Subject: pine; rename 'saved-messages' and 'sent-mail' ??? > > Can I rename the 2 'special' folders: > saved-messages -> saved > sent-mail -> sent > and still have then appear in the #2 and #3 positions on the folder list? > > As I recall, the .pinerc file has a line for specifying the name of the > 'sent-mail' folder: > default-fcc= > but the .pinerc file does -not- allow specifying the name of the > 'saved-messages' folder. Could this be added? > > WHY DO I WANT TO RENAME THESE FOLDERS ??? > Because (1) I move between these folders frequently, and (2) the long > names discourage me from using the "G" command. So I use > "MF" instead. Short names for these folders would allow me > to use the "G" command. I also want the new name ('saved') to be the > default offered when I save messages ... UNLESS I have previously saved to > another folder, then I want that last-used folder name offered instead. > > WHY DO I WANT THE FILES TO REMAIN IN THE #2 AND #3 POSITIONS ??? > Because that's where they are most convenient (as you know). > Can you display the other special folders ON THE FIRST LINE of the folder > list also: > postponed-message > interrupted-message > ... (are there others?) > > -Mike Ramey 685-0940 Wilcox-171 U-W Civil Eng FX-10 Seattle WA 98195. > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Aug 20 13:06:12 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA12915; Fri, 20 Aug 93 13:06:12 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA21581; Fri, 20 Aug 93 12:52:44 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from selway.umt.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA21573; Fri, 20 Aug 93 12:52:42 -0700 Received: by selway.umt.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA11600; Fri, 20 Aug 1993 13:52:40 -0600 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1993 13:52:40 -0600 From: cs000rdw@selway.umt.edu (Richard D Warner) Message-Id: <9308201952.AA11600@selway.umt.edu> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu unsubscribe me from this list From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Aug 20 14:09:35 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA14264; Fri, 20 Aug 93 14:09:35 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA22288; Fri, 20 Aug 93 13:48:35 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from csgrad.cs.vt.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA22282; Fri, 20 Aug 93 13:48:28 -0700 Received: by csgrad.cs.vt.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA04180; Fri, 20 Aug 1993 16:48:20 -0400 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1993 16:46:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Laurence Lundblade Subject: Re: pine error on "about to end_tty_driver" To: Shyela Aberman Cc: helpdesk@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu, pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <9308151808.AA25589@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> Message-Id: References: <9308151808.AA25589@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I believe this is fixed in 3.07. If not, there's another abort bug on SunOS that is fixed so it's worth getting. Another problem I've seen with SunOS occurs with the GNU compiler. I believe you have to compile args.c and ttyin.c with the standard Sun compiler or you get aborts like these. Laurence Lundblade lgl@csgrad.cs.vt.edu 703-552-2537 Virginia Tech -- Blacksburg, Virginia On 15 Aug 1993, Shyela Aberman wrote: > > Hello, > Using Pine 3.05 under SunOS 4.1.x (I think it is 4.1.3, but I'm > not sure.), I keep on getting the following error: > > Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal". > Exiting pine. > Floating exception > > It occurs when I am switching views from one piece of mail to the > next in the queue. All the .pine-debug# files report "about to > end_tty_driver", but only some have "Pine Panic: Received abort > signal" after that. > > I have included a pine-debug file for reference, but there doesn't > seem to be any other info than what I have already written. > > So, the question is, is this a known bug? Is it a bug in pine or in > SunOS? If pine, is it fixed in 3.07 or will it be fixed in the > upcoming general release? If SunOS, is there a fix or a workaround > available? > > Thankyou, > shy aberman > labsha@emory.edu > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Aug 20 15:57:07 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA18306; Fri, 20 Aug 93 15:57:07 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA02341; Fri, 20 Aug 93 15:37:25 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ns.uta.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA02335; Fri, 20 Aug 93 15:37:23 -0700 Received: from rainbow.uta.edu.uta.edu by ns.uta.edu with SMTP; Fri, 20 Aug 1993 17:35:46 CDT Received: by rainbow.uta.edu.uta.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07801; Fri, 20 Aug 93 17:37:39 CDT Date: Fri, 20 Aug 93 17:37:39 CDT From: helal@rainbow.uta.edu (Dr. Abdelsalam Helal) Message-Id: <9308202237.AA07801@rainbow.uta.edu.uta.edu> To: jeff@math.ua.edu, pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: unsubscribe Please unsubscripe me too. I have tried but I always received an error message. A. Helal--- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Aug 20 17:21:11 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA24386; Fri, 20 Aug 93 17:21:11 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA24779; Fri, 20 Aug 93 17:06:28 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from csgrad.cs.vt.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA24755; Fri, 20 Aug 93 17:05:53 -0700 Received: by csgrad.cs.vt.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA05784; Fri, 20 Aug 1993 20:04:57 -0400 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1993 20:03:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Laurence Lundblade Subject: Re: Export To: Ian Dunkin Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Didn't see a response to this. The answer is easy. Pine never overwrites and always appends. Maybe that should be documented some where. Laurence Lundblade lgl@csgrad.cs.vt.edu 703-552-2537 Virginia Tech -- Blacksburg, Virginia On 9 Aug 1993, Ian Dunkin wrote: > > No doubt it's staring me in the screen, but I can't _see_ any way with > the Export command to overwrite an existing file rather than > appending to it. Which I quite often would like to do. > > IS there a way?? > > I. > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Aug 20 18:56:21 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA25962; Fri, 20 Aug 93 18:56:21 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA04453; Fri, 20 Aug 93 18:33:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from xanth.CS.ORST.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA04447; Fri, 20 Aug 93 18:33:45 -0700 Received: from prism.CS.ORST.EDU by instruction.CS.ORST.EDU (1.37.109.4/1.35) id AA28206; Fri, 20 Aug 93 18:31:16 -0700 Received: by prism.CS.ORST.EDU (16.6/CS-Client) id AA18891; Fri, 20 Aug 93 18:33:38 -0700 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1993 18:29:50 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jason R. Thorpe" Subject: Re: Export To: Laurence Lundblade Cc: Ian Dunkin , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 20 Aug 1993, Laurence Lundblade wrote: > Didn't see a response to this. The answer is easy. Pine never overwrites > and always appends. Maybe that should be documented some where. I don't suppose this could be included as an option in .pinerc or perhaps have two export commands? One for append and one for overwrite? > > Laurence Lundblade > lgl@csgrad.cs.vt.edu 703-552-2537 > Virginia Tech -- Blacksburg, Virginia > > > On 9 Aug 1993, Ian Dunkin wrote: > > > > > No doubt it's staring me in the screen, but I can't _see_ any way with > > the Export command to overwrite an existing file rather than > > appending to it. Which I quite often would like to do. > > > > IS there a way?? > > > > I. > > > > > > > > > > /***************************************************************************** Jason R. Thorpe - OSU Computer Science Support Staff Bellnet: (503) 623-8514 Internet: thorpej@prism.cs.orst.edu *****************************************************************************/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Aug 23 03:11:51 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA00136; Mon, 23 Aug 93 03:11:51 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA09838; Mon, 23 Aug 93 02:58:54 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA09832; Mon, 23 Aug 93 02:58:52 -0700 Via: uk.co.ggr; Mon, 23 Aug 1993 10:58:17 +0100 Received: from uk0x04.UUCP by uk0x08.ggr.co.uk; Mon, 23 Aug 93 10:59:21 BST Received: from uk0x04.ggr.co.uk by mailhub.ggr.co.uk (5.59/imd-070593) id AA25433; Mon, 23 Aug 93 10:45:45 BST Received: by uk0x04.ggr.co.uk (5.0/imd110593) id AA04911; Mon, 23 Aug 93 10:49:47 BST Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1993 10:43:14 +0100 (BST) From: Ian Dunkin Subject: Re: Export To: Laurence Lundblade Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 787 On Fri, 20 Aug 1993, Laurence Lundblade wrote: > Didn't see a response to this. The answer is easy. Pine never overwrites > and always appends. Maybe that should be documented some where. Laurence, Thanks for the reply. Does anyone else feel (as I do) that it would sometimes be _useful_ to be able to overwrite an existing file with the Export command, rather than append? Do the Pine Developers like the idea?? (Example: say you get mailed a new version of a particular file from time to time: you want to export it overwriting the old version rather than appending to it.) Perhaps when the export file already exists, Pine, instead of asking `overwrite y/n?', could ask `overwite/append/leave?', or something ?? Thanks, I. Ian Dunkin From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Aug 23 03:49:39 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA00647; Mon, 23 Aug 93 03:49:39 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA14573; Mon, 23 Aug 93 03:40:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mhc.mtholyoke.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA14567; Mon, 23 Aug 93 03:40:05 -0700 Received: by mhc.mtholyoke.edu (5.57/Ultrix4.2a_930410.01) id AA03812; Mon, 23 Aug 93 06:40:04 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1993 06:34:20 -0400 (EDT) From: "Michael A. Crowley" Reply-To: "Michael A. Crowley" Subject: Re: Export To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Mon, 23 Aug 1993, Ian Dunkin wrote: > Laurence, > > Thanks for the reply. Does anyone else feel (as I do) that it would > sometimes be _useful_ to be able to overwrite an existing file with the > Export command, rather than append? Do the Pine Developers like the > idea?? > .... del .... > Perhaps when the export file already exists, Pine, instead of asking > `overwrite y/n?', could ask `overwite/append/leave?', or something ?? > > Ian Dunkin > I would like to pose the opposing view. An important feature of pine is that it does not give so many choices that novice users (or even experienced ones) have to make many choices. This keeps support to a minimum. Each additional feature may seem logical, but they can add up to something overloaded with bells and whistles. In this particular case, I agree that would be useful to be able to overwrite a file on occasion. Howver, I find it sufficiently easy to use the UNIX rm command or edit the extract file that I have a mild preference to have pine simply and unconditionally append. Now I _would_ prefer to have the option of specifying the path with ./filename so that I could extract anywhere. Since that would not alter the standard behavior of the program and since it uses normal UNIX notation, I would not see that in the same realm as adding another feature. More views and opinions? -mike mcrowley@mtholyoke.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Aug 23 05:06:51 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA02382; Mon, 23 Aug 93 05:06:51 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA10662; Mon, 23 Aug 93 04:55:36 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from bwc.bwc.org.il by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA10656; Mon, 23 Aug 93 04:55:29 -0700 Received: from saturn.bwc.org (saturn.bwc.org.il) by bwc.bwc.org with SMTP id AA11306 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 23 Aug 1993 14:56:57 +0300 Received: by saturn.bwc.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22309; Mon, 23 Aug 93 14:56:55 IDT Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1993 14:54:47 +0300 (IDT) From: Bob Gregory Reply-To: Bob Gregory Subject: Re: Export To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Just to voice strong agreement that cautious control of adding new features is definitely a pine virtue. I find Pine's current behaviour for export is usually what is wanted. A destructive overwrite would be unsafe for novices, and experienced folks workaround it easily when necessary. Supporting paths relative to where pine starts with an explicit syntax (like ./filename) would be handy. I would rather have a means to do environment variable substitution in pathnames (e.g. $FARAWAY/somefile) as an old-growth option. -- Bob Gregory On Mon, 23 Aug 1993, Michael A. Crowley wrote: > On Mon, 23 Aug 1993, Ian Dunkin wrote: > > > Laurence, > > > > Thanks for the reply. Does anyone else feel (as I do) that it would > > sometimes be _useful_ to be able to overwrite an existing file with the > > Export command, rather than append? Do the Pine Developers like the > > idea?? > > .... del .... > > Perhaps when the export file already exists, Pine, instead of asking > > `overwrite y/n?', could ask `overwite/append/leave?', or something ?? > > > > Ian Dunkin > > > I would like to pose the opposing view. An important feature of pine > is that it does not give so many choices that novice users (or even > experienced ones) have to make many choices. This keeps support to > a minimum. Each additional feature may seem logical, but they can > add up to something overloaded with bells and whistles. > > In this particular case, I agree that would be useful to be able to > overwrite a file on occasion. Howver, I find it sufficiently easy to > use the UNIX rm command or edit the extract file that I have a mild > preference to have pine simply and unconditionally append. > > Now I _would_ prefer to have the option of specifying the path with > ./filename so that I could extract anywhere. Since that would not > alter the standard behavior of the program and since it uses normal > UNIX notation, I would not see that in the same realm as adding > another feature. > > More views and opinions? > > -mike mcrowley@mtholyoke.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Aug 23 07:44:50 1993 Received: by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA04490; Mon, 23 Aug 93 07:44:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from uenics.evansville.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA04484; Mon, 23 Aug 93 07:44:48 -0700 Received: by uenics.evansville.edu (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0oUd7E-000RzAC; Mon, 23 Aug 93 09:43 CDT Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1993 09:39:55 -0500 (CDT) From: Patrick Heck Reply-To: Patrick Heck Subject: Re: Export To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Mon, 23 Aug 1993, Michael A. Crowley wrote: > I would like to pose the opposing view. An important feature of pine > is that it does not give so many choices that novice users (or even > experienced ones) have to make many choices. This keeps support to > a minimum. Each additional feature may seem logical, but they can > add up to something overloaded with bells and whistles. I agree with Michael on this one. > In this particular case, I agree that would be useful to be able to > overwrite a file on occasion. Howver, I find it sufficiently easy to > use the UNIX rm command or edit the extract file that I have a mild > preference to have pine simply and unconditionally append. It can also be done from within pine. Just move to the folders screen and delete the folder. Then go back to Index screen and save. > Now I _would_ prefer to have the option of specifying the path with ./filename > so that I could extract anywhere. Since that would not alter the > standard behavior of the program and since it uses normal UNIX notation, > I would not see that in the same realm as adding another feature. I think you can do this. However, in your example the "." would refer to the $HOME/mail directory (in our case anyway). Specifying "../filename" saves it in the $HOME directory for us (pine 3.07 for SunOS). Patrick Heck University of Evansville heck@evansville.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Aug 23 08:41:43 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA05730; Mon, 23 Aug 93 08:41:43 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA15744; Mon, 23 Aug 93 08:26:10 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from sulu.biostat.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA15738; Mon, 23 Aug 93 08:26:08 -0700 Received: by sulu.biostat.washington.edu (5.64/UW-NDC Revision: 2.21 ) id AA05692; Mon, 23 Aug 93 08:25:33 -0700 From: Nancy McGough Message-Id: <9308231525.AA05692@sulu.biostat.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Export To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Date: Mon, 23 Aug 93 8:25:33 PDT In-Reply-To: ; from "Michael A. Crowley" at Aug 23, 93 6:34 am Reply-To: Nancy McGough X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] I also agree with everyone who voiced a fear of creeping feature-itis. It would be great, though, if Pine had a few high level commands that power users could use to do all kinds of things. My requests: 1] Ability to pipe a message (when is this scheduled to be implemented?) In this export-and-overwrite example you could just do: | cat > filename 2] Ability to shell out while using Pine (any plans for this?) In this example you could first: !rm filename And then use the Pine Export. (I prefer method 1 but the ability to shell out would be useful for other things.) 3] Macros (any plans for this?) Given that 1 and 2 are implemented, macros would give power Pine users all kinds of power. Thanks, Nancy From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Aug 23 09:33:30 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA07718; Mon, 23 Aug 93 09:33:30 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA13339; Mon, 23 Aug 93 09:19:15 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA13333; Mon, 23 Aug 93 09:19:11 -0700 Via: uk.co.ggr; Mon, 23 Aug 1993 17:18:14 +0100 Received: from uk0x04.UUCP by uk0x08.ggr.co.uk; Mon, 23 Aug 93 17:19:19 BST Received: from uk0x04.ggr.co.uk by mailhub.ggr.co.uk (5.59/imd-070593) id AA26755; Mon, 23 Aug 93 17:08:14 BST Received: by uk0x04.ggr.co.uk (5.0/imd110593) id AA05635; Mon, 23 Aug 93 17:12:16 BST Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1993 17:11:03 +0100 (BST) From: Ian Dunkin Subject: Re: Export To: Patrick Heck Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 546 On Mon, 23 Aug 1993, Patrick Heck wrote: > > In this particular case, I agree that would be useful to be able to > > overwrite a file on occasion. Howver, I find it sufficiently easy to > > use the UNIX rm command or edit the extract file that I have a mild > > preference to have pine simply and unconditionally append. > > It can also be done from within pine. Just move to the folders screen and > delete the folder. Then go back to Index screen and save. We were talking about exporting to files, not saving to Pine folders. I. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Aug 23 10:41:43 1993 Received: by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA09839; Mon, 23 Aug 93 10:41:43 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from uenics.evansville.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA09833; Mon, 23 Aug 93 10:41:42 -0700 Received: by uenics.evansville.edu (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0oUf3r-000S1mC; Mon, 23 Aug 93 11:48 CDT Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1993 11:46:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Patrick Heck Subject: Re: Export To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > On Mon, 23 Aug 1993, Patrick Heck wrote: > > > > In this particular case, I agree that would be useful to be able to > > > overwrite a file on occasion. Howver, I find it sufficiently easy to > > > use the UNIX rm command or edit the extract file that I have a mild > > > preference to have pine simply and unconditionally append. > > > > It can also be done from within pine. Just move to the folders screen and > > delete the folder. Then go back to Index screen and save. > > We were talking about exporting to files, not saving to Pine > folders. > Whoops! And can you believe that my biggest complaint to my students is that they don't read the directions closely enough! :-/ Patrick Heck University of Evansville heck@evansville.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Aug 23 12:14:39 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA15478; Mon, 23 Aug 93 12:14:39 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA16216; Mon, 23 Aug 93 12:05:24 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ees1a0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA16208; Mon, 23 Aug 93 12:05:21 -0700 Received: by ees1a0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03407; Mon, 23 Aug 93 15:05:13 EDT Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1993 14:58:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Schlitt Subject: Re: Export To: Nancy McGough Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <9308231525.AA05692@sulu.biostat.washington.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I also have times when I yearn for a shell escape. But I quickly return to my senses. It is a real advantage to not have a shell escape from a security standpoint. Perhaps as a compile time option for those who really don't care, but not as a configurable option please. If I save something from mail I don't find it an intolerable burden to give the file a new name and do some rm and mv stuff after I exit to put the file where I want it instead of overwriting the file. The way I look at it, I'm much more able to do that and I want a simple mail user agent for most of the people who use pine. /dan Dan Schlitt School of Engineering Computer Systems dan@ee-mail.engr.ccny.cuny.edu City College of New York (212)650-6760 New York, NY 10031 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Aug 23 12:38:52 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA16049; Mon, 23 Aug 93 12:38:52 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA17052; Mon, 23 Aug 93 12:30:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from log.css.itd.umich.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA17046; Mon, 23 Aug 93 12:30:44 -0700 Received: from stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu by css.itd.umich.edu (5.67/2.2) id AA18209; Mon, 23 Aug 93 15:30:39 -0400 Received: by stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu (5.67/dumb-1.0) id AA05121; Mon, 23 Aug 93 15:30:51 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1993 15:28:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Tang Subject: Re: Export To: Dan Schlitt Cc: Nancy McGough , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 23 Aug 1993, Dan Schlitt wrote: > I also have times when I yearn for a shell escape. But I quickly return > to my senses. Yeah, I've longed for a shell escape, but a ctrl-z usually does it for me. I wish that pine could automatically enter another editor (like vi) instead of pico. But that would kind of destroy the whole ease of use thing. All these comments could possibly go in a feature list like old-growth, or the like...it could be called really-bitchin-old, or petrified..... :) Alex Tang -- ALTITUDE@UMICH.EDU...USERW00Y@UMICHUM.BITNET U of M, SNRE: Student and Computer Consultant II ITD/CSS Consultant and...General Fun Loving Guy :) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Aug 23 12:40:58 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA16107; Mon, 23 Aug 93 12:40:58 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA17035; Mon, 23 Aug 93 12:29:59 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from elwha.evergreen.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA17029; Mon, 23 Aug 93 12:29:58 -0700 Received: by elwha.evergreen.edu (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA00482; Mon, 23 Aug 93 12:29:51 -0700 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1993 12:25:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Joe Pollock Subject: New features... To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I fully agree with the concept of keeping Pine as simple as possible. Of course, we all have our own idea of "simple." :-) I have had several users ask me if Pine or Pico has a command to move you to either the top or bottom of a message. A useful command for people who manipulate long messages. Could this be already present, but undocumented? Joe From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Aug 23 13:03:17 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA16702; Mon, 23 Aug 93 13:03:17 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA17191; Mon, 23 Aug 93 12:50:42 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ULTRIX.UOR.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA17185; Mon, 23 Aug 93 12:50:40 -0700 Received: by ultrix.uor.edu (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA27491; Mon, 23 Aug 93 12:53:07 -0700 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1993 12:41:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Sharon Deng Subject: Re: Export To: Dan Schlitt Cc: Nancy McGough , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 23 Aug 1993, Dan Schlitt wrote: > I also have times when I yearn for a shell escape. But I quickly return > to my senses. It is a real advantage to not have a shell escape from a > security standpoint. Perhaps as a compile time option for those who > really don't care, but not as a configurable option please. > > If I save something from mail I don't find it an intolerable burden to > give the file a new name and do some rm and mv stuff after I exit to put > the file where I want it instead of overwriting the file. The way I look > at it, I'm much more able to do that and I want a simple mail user agent > for most of the people who use pine. > > /dan > > Dan Schlitt School of Engineering Computer Systems > dan@ee-mail.engr.ccny.cuny.edu City College of New York > (212)650-6760 New York, NY 10031 > > I couldn't agree more what Dan said. Most of the people just want a simple mail user agent, and they don't care or don't even want to know what unix commands are. My users keep telling me that the Pine is the best mail agent they ever had. And I hope it will be the best forever. Sharon Deng Assistant Director Internet: deng@ultrix.uor.edu Academic Computer Center deng@jccvms.uor.edu University of Redlands Phone: (909)793-2121 x.4963 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Aug 23 13:19:33 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA17265; Mon, 23 Aug 93 13:19:33 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA17381; Mon, 23 Aug 93 13:12:08 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from log.css.itd.umich.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA17375; Mon, 23 Aug 93 13:12:07 -0700 Received: from stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu by css.itd.umich.edu (5.67/2.2) id AA18744; Mon, 23 Aug 93 16:11:57 -0400 Received: by stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu (5.67/dumb-1.0) id AA06647; Mon, 23 Aug 93 16:12:08 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1993 16:09:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Tang Subject: Re: Export To: Jim Kenyon Cc: Dan Schlitt , Nancy McGough , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 23 Aug 1993, Jim Kenyon wrote: > On Mon, 23 Aug 1993, Alex Tang wrote: > > > Yeah, I've longed for a shell escape, but a ctrl-z usually does it for me. > > I wish that pine could automatically enter another editor (like vi) instead of > > pico. But that would kind of destroy the whole ease of use thing. > PINE can use another editor, use the following line in your .pinerc > > # Editor to use in place of Pine's internal composer, Pico > editor=vi > Thanx jim....but the optimal word is **automatically** enter another editor. I wish that it would just dump me into vi from the start, instead of having to do ^_ (which in some cases doesn't work....but that's another story....) Like i said, it's just wishful thinking for a more configurable pine.....nothing more. ...alex... Alex Tang -- ALTITUDE@UMICH.EDU...USERW00Y@UMICHUM.BITNET U of M, SNRE: Student and Computer Consultant II ITD/CSS Consultant and...General Fun Loving Guy :) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Aug 23 13:20:34 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA17358; Mon, 23 Aug 93 13:20:34 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA17351; Mon, 23 Aug 93 13:07:43 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from stonewall.sph.umich.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA17345; Mon, 23 Aug 93 13:07:41 -0700 Received: from milkyway.sph.umich.edu by sph.umich.edu (5.67/2.2) id AA12346; Mon, 23 Aug 93 16:08:42 -0400 Received: by milkyway.sph.umich.edu (4.1/dumb-1.0) id AA24200; Mon, 23 Aug 93 16:07:38 EDT Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1993 16:06:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Jim Kenyon Subject: Re: Export To: Alex Tang Cc: Dan Schlitt , Nancy McGough , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 23 Aug 1993, Alex Tang wrote: Stuff deleted... > > Yeah, I've longed for a shell escape, but a ctrl-z usually does it for me. > I wish that pine could automatically enter another editor (like vi) instead of > pico. But that would kind of destroy the whole ease of use thing. > > Alex Tang -- ALTITUDE@UMICH.EDU...USERW00Y@UMICHUM.BITNET > U of M, SNRE: Student and Computer Consultant II > ITD/CSS Consultant and...General Fun Loving Guy :) PINE can use another editor, use the following line in your .pinerc # Editor to use in place of Pine's internal composer, Pico editor=vi Jim Kenyon -- jkenyon@umich.edu Systems Research Programmer II, School of Public Health From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Aug 23 16:37:13 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA24971; Mon, 23 Aug 93 16:37:13 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA20341; Mon, 23 Aug 93 16:30:29 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from venus.resntl.bhp.com.au by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA20335; Mon, 23 Aug 93 16:30:26 -0700 Received: from squiggle.resntl.bhp.com.au by VENUS.RESNTL.BHP.COM.AU (PMDF V4.2-11 #2434) id <01H24ADUA1M8000T3C@VENUS.RESNTL.BHP.COM.AU>; Tue, 24 Aug 1993 09:28:58 GMT Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1993 09:24:06 +1000 (EST) From: Steve Woodyatt Subject: RE: Export In-Reply-To: To: Alex Tang Cc: Jim Kenyon , Dan Schlitt , Nancy McGough , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On Mon, 23 Aug 1993, Alex Tang wrote: > > Thanx jim....but the optimal word is **automatically** enter another > editor. I wish that it would just dump me into vi from the start, instead > of having to do ^_ (which in some cases doesn't work....but that's another > story....) Like i said, it's just wishful thinking for a more configurable > pine.....nothing more. > Agreed! If you specify an alternative editor (in the individual users .pinerc), surely it should dump you immediately into your choice. As for the current dicussion on feature 'explosion' within pine, I would have thought that the seedling/sapling/old-growth options would be the perfect wide to 'hide' complex features. If you are a seedling, all you see is a very simple interface (which pine is all about), up to old-growth where you should be able to make considerable short-cuts and configuration. Steve. -------------------------------------------------------------------/\/\--- Steve Woodyatt, Research Scientist, Geoscience & Spatial Systems. / / /\ BHP Research - Newcastle Laboratories, Australia./ / / \ Snail : P.O. Box 188, Wallsend 2287 / / / /\ \ Tel : +61 49 510695 Fax: +61 49 502126 \ \/ / / / Internet: steve@resntl.bhp.com.au \ / / / ------------------------------------------------------------------\/\/\/-- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Aug 23 18:58:10 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA27542; Mon, 23 Aug 93 18:58:10 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA21496; Mon, 23 Aug 93 18:50:10 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from csgrad.cs.vt.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA21490; Mon, 23 Aug 93 18:50:08 -0700 Received: by csgrad.cs.vt.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA02365; Mon, 23 Aug 1993 21:49:17 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1993 21:46:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Laurence Lundblade Subject: Re: New features... To: Joe Pollock Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I think the big problem in doing stuff like this is key bindings. There just aren't enough letters in the alphabet to keep it simple and uncluttered. A cute trick to get to the top of a message, especially for slow lines, is to go to the previous message and then the next (which is of course what you were just reading). That's only two full screen repaints instead of however many screenfuls to scroll back to the top. Laurence Lundblade lgl@csgrad.cs.vt.edu 703-552-2537 Virginia Tech -- Blacksburg, Virginia On 23 Aug 1993, Joe Pollock wrote: > > I fully agree with the concept of keeping Pine as simple as possible. Of > course, we all have our own idea of "simple." :-) > > I have had several users ask me if Pine or Pico has a command to move you > to either the top or bottom of a message. A useful command for people who > manipulate long messages. > > Could this be already present, but undocumented? > > Joe > > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Aug 23 23:05:35 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA00708; Mon, 23 Aug 93 23:05:35 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA19733; Mon, 23 Aug 93 22:57:36 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from bgumail.bgu.ac.il by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA19729; Mon, 23 Aug 93 22:57:29 -0700 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1993 08:53:41 +0300 (IDT) From: Eran Lachs Reply-To: Eran Lachs Subject: Re: New features... To: Laurence Lundblade Cc: Joe Pollock , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Mon, 23 Aug 1993, Laurence Lundblade wrote: > A cute trick to get to the top of a message, especially for slow lines, > is to go to the previous message and then the next (which is of course > what you were just reading). That's only two full screen repaints > instead of however many screenfuls to scroll back to the top. ... or go to the mail index screen and view again (hit 'i' and Return). -Eran From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Aug 24 01:51:37 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA03414; Tue, 24 Aug 93 01:51:37 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA23619; Tue, 24 Aug 93 01:31:52 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rye.city.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA23613; Tue, 24 Aug 93 01:31:50 -0700 Received: from carlisle.city.ac.uk by Rye.city.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <22795-0@Rye.city.ac.uk>; Tue, 24 Aug 1993 09:31:04 +0100 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1993 09:29:59 +0100 (BST) From: "D.K.Brownlee" Subject: Shell Escape (Was Re: Export) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 23 Aug 1993, Dan Schlitt wrote: > I also have times when I yearn for a shell escape. But I quickly return > to my senses. It is a real advantage to not have a shell escape from a > security standpoint. Perhaps as a compile time option for those who > really don't care, but not as a configurable option please. > Personally I find 'pine -z' to give me the ability to ^Z pine gives me all that I want as far as shell access goes - its quicker than firing up a new shell each time - & you get all you history etc :) PS: Suggestion for pine, can we have a .pinerc option that does the equivalent of -z? David |\/| D.K.Brownlee@city.ac.uk. Network Analyst. Postmaster. Hostmaster. | | Telephone: (+44) 71 477 8000 Ext:3757. Snailmail: E308, City University, Northampton Sq, Islington, London ECIV 0HB. (Note: Apologies if my current mail seems somewhat terse, but I have recently had surgery on my left hand. This has somewhat impaired my typing) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Aug 24 03:09:27 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA04692; Tue, 24 Aug 93 03:09:27 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA20506; Tue, 24 Aug 93 03:01:03 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mhc.mtholyoke.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA20500; Tue, 24 Aug 93 03:01:02 -0700 Received: by mhc.mtholyoke.edu (5.57/Ultrix4.2a_930410.01) id AA14164; Tue, 24 Aug 93 05:18:24 -0400 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1993 05:12:53 -0400 (EDT) From: "Michael A. Crowley" Subject: Re: Shell Escape (Was Re: Export) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Given you can ^Z, you are probably running a shell with aliasing capabilities (e.g., csh, tcsh...). Rather than changing pine, why not: alias p 'pine -iz' Or something like that. (I like the '-i' option at all times.) - mike On Tue, 24 Aug 1993, D.K.Brownlee wrote: ... > Personally I find 'pine -z' to give me the ability to ^Z pine gives > me all that I want as far as shell access goes - its quicker than > firing up a new shell each time - & you get all you history etc :) > > PS: Suggestion for pine, can we have a .pinerc option that does the > equivalent of -z? > > David > > |\/| D.K.Brownlee@city.ac.uk. Network Analyst. Postmaster. Hostmaster. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Aug 24 13:02:21 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA19544; Tue, 24 Aug 93 13:02:21 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA00756; Tue, 24 Aug 93 12:49:09 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from netcomsv.netcom.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA00750; Tue, 24 Aug 93 12:49:07 -0700 Received: from wndrsvr.UUCP by netcomsv.netcom.com with UUCP (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08925; Tue, 24 Aug 93 12:50:01 PDT Received: from local by wndrsvr (5.65/1.35) id AA09570; Tue, 24 Aug 93 11:48:30 -0700 Received: by localhost (5.65/1.35) id AA09566; Tue, 24 Aug 93 18:48:28 GMT Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1993 11:47:07 -0600 (PDT) From: Brandon Hechinger Subject: To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII un-subscribe jaguar@wndrsvr.la.ca.us (is that right?) unsubscribe me please.. B) ...Brandon From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Aug 24 13:41:27 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA20997; Tue, 24 Aug 93 13:41:27 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA01418; Tue, 24 Aug 93 13:26:00 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA01412; Tue, 24 Aug 93 13:25:59 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA20396; Tue, 24 Aug 93 13:25:56 -0700 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1993 13:24:37 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: your mail To: Brandon Hechinger Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Actually, it should have been unsubscribe pine-info jaguar@wndrsvr.la.ca.us and sent to majordomo@cac.washington.edu, not to the whole list. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 24 Aug 1993, Brandon Hechinger wrote: > un-subscribe jaguar@wndrsvr.la.ca.us > (is that right?) > unsubscribe me please.. B) > ...Brandon > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Aug 24 13:18:31 1993 Received: by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA20257; Tue, 24 Aug 93 13:18:31 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ester.dsv.su.se by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA20249; Tue, 24 Aug 93 13:18:27 -0700 X400-Received: by /PRMD=SUNET/ADMD=_/C=SE/; Relayed; 24 Aug 93 22:11:56+0200 Date: 24 Aug 93 22:11:56+0200 From: Brandon Hechinger Message-Id: <384047*@su-kom.dsv.su.se> In-Reply-To: To: "Pine mailer discussions group (pine-infoEcac.washington.edu)" , Nancy McGough , Dan Schlitt , Michael A. Crowley , D.K.Brownlee , Pine-Info Email List From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Aug 24 13:18:20 1993 Received: by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA20247; Tue, 24 Aug 93 13:18:20 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ester.dsv.su.se by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA20241; Tue, 24 Aug 93 13:18:18 -0700 X400-Received: by /PRMD=SUNET/ADMD=_/C=SE/; Relayed; 24 Aug 93 22:11:57+0200 Date: 24 Aug 93 22:11:57+0200 From: Brandon Hechinger Message-Id: <384047*@su-kom.dsv.su.se> In-Reply-To: To: "Pine mailer discussions group (pine-infoEcac.washington.edu)" , Nancy McGough , Dan Schlitt , Michael A. Crowley , D.K.Brownlee , Pine-Info Email List From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Aug 24 13:48:32 1993 Received: by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA21231; Tue, 24 Aug 93 13:48:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ester.dsv.su.se by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA21225; Tue, 24 Aug 93 13:48:30 -0700 X400-Received: by /PRMD=SUNET/ADMD=_/C=SE/; Relayed; 24 Aug 93 22:44:52+0200 Date: 24 Aug 93 22:44:52+0200 From: Brandon Hechinger Message-Id: <384047*@su-kom.dsv.su.se> In-Reply-To: To: "Pine mailer discussions group (pine-infoEcac.washington.edu)" , Nancy McGough , Dan Schlitt , Michael A. Crowley , D.K.Brownlee , Pine-Info Email List From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Aug 24 20:46:15 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA02639; Tue, 24 Aug 93 20:46:15 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA26039; Tue, 24 Aug 93 20:40:11 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from hpunix01.vetmed.wsu.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA26033; Tue, 24 Aug 93 20:40:09 -0700 Received: by Vetmed.WSU.edu (1.37.109.5/1.34) id AA24664; Tue, 24 Aug 93 20:40:25 -0700 From: slester@Vetmed.WSU.edu Message-Id: <9308250340.AA24664@Vetmed.WSU.edu> Subject: unsubscribe To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Date: Tue, 24 Aug 93 20:40:25 PDT In-Reply-To: X-Achnowledge-To: Sam Lester 1993_08_24.Tuesday Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] unsubscribe me from this list. slester@vetmed.wsu.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Aug 26 09:38:49 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA24315; Thu, 26 Aug 93 09:38:49 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA26621; Thu, 26 Aug 93 09:08:30 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA26615; Thu, 26 Aug 93 09:08:29 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA16640; Thu, 26 Aug 93 09:08:24 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1993 08:53:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray Subject: "Reply-to" To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Several folks have requested that Pine support a "Reply-to" header. This is definitely on the list and will probably make it into Pine 4.0. However, in some cases it seems to me that the problem people are trying to solve can be addressed already via the "user-domain" variable in the .pinerc... This variable, if set, specifies what will be on the right side of the "@" sign in the "From: " field of outgoing messages (among other things). For example, if you receive some of your mail at "joe@blah.cs.washington.edu" but you want people to send to a generic address such as "joe@u.washington.edu" this can be done by setting "user-domain=u.washington.edu". In PC-Pine you can also set the left side of the @ in the From: field via the userid variable. But on Unix Pine, the account names on the machine where mail is delivered and the machine where you run Pine must match. (That limitation is why a reply-to would be handy in some cases.) -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Aug 26 14:08:35 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA02902; Thu, 26 Aug 93 14:08:35 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA06983; Thu, 26 Aug 93 13:55:04 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from digi.syd.deg.CSIRO.AU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA06977; Thu, 26 Aug 93 13:55:00 -0700 Received: by digi.syd.deg.csiro.au id AA05225 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4); Fri, 27 Aug 1993 06:57:27 +1000 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1993 06:49:41 +1000 (EST) From: Jack Churchill Subject: Re: "Reply-to" To: Terry Gray Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 26 Aug 1993, Terry Gray wrote: > Several folks have requested that Pine support a "Reply-to" header. > This is definitely on the list and will probably make it into Pine 4.0. > However, in some cases it seems to me that the problem people are trying > to solve can be addressed already via the "user-domain" variable in the > .pinerc... > > This variable, if set, specifies what will be on the right side of the "@" > sign in the "From: " field of outgoing messages (among other things). For > example, if you receive some of your mail at "joe@blah.cs.washington.edu" but > you want people to send to a generic address such as "joe@u.washington.edu" > this can be done by setting "user-domain=u.washington.edu". > > In PC-Pine you can also set the left side of the @ in the From: field via > the userid variable. But on Unix Pine, the account names on the machine > where mail is delivered and the machine where you run Pine must match. > (That limitation is why a reply-to would be handy in some cases.) My instant recommendation on such matters is to fix the problem at the sendmail end and not at the user agent end, and use IDA sendmail. Although IDA is not intuative to install, once it is and you understand its "language" it is a very nice and easy system for doing the above. For example, a user named joe at a machine called blah.cs.washington.edu can have his header *AND* his envolope "From" address mapped to say Joe.Trumpet@u.washington.edu. Jack N. Churchill | Jack.Churchill@dem.csiro.au CSIRO Division of Exploration and Mining | churchill@decus.com.au PO Box 136 North Ryde NSW 2113 | Phone: +61 2 887 8884 Australia | Fax: +61 2 887 8921 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Aug 26 22:36:48 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA13715; Thu, 26 Aug 93 22:36:48 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA09172; Thu, 26 Aug 93 22:25:03 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from camco1.celestial.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA09166; Thu, 26 Aug 93 22:25:01 -0700 Received: by camco1.celestial.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0oVwKc-000425C; Thu, 26 Aug 93 22:26 PDT Message-Id: From: bill@camco1.celestial.com (Bill Campbell) Subject: Re: "Reply-to" To: Jack.Churchill@dem.csiro.au (Jack Churchill) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1993 22:26:37 -0700 (PDT) Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: from "Jack Churchill" at Aug 27, 93 06:49:41 am Reply-To: bill@Celestial.COM Organization: Celestial Software, Mercer Island, WA 98040 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1258 > > On Thu, 26 Aug 1993, Terry Gray wrote: >..... > My instant recommendation on such matters is to fix the problem at the > sendmail end and not at the user agent end, and use IDA sendmail. > Although IDA is not intuative to install, once it is and you understand > its "language" it is a very nice and easy system for doing the above. For > example, a user named joe at a machine called blah.cs.washington.edu can > have his header *AND* his envolope "From" address mapped to say > Joe.Trumpet@u.washington.edu. > This doesn't address the problem I have here. I use several different logins on my systems here and would like e-mail replies to come back to a single login. Reply-To: handles this very nicely. This is the job of the MUA (Mail User Agent), not the MTA (Mail Transport Agent). Typically it requires action by the system administrator to do things in the MTA while the users can do the MUA stuff themselves. I know Pine is not Elm, but the ~/.elm/elmheaders file is a very simple solution which would be trivial to implement in Pine. Bill -- INTERNET: bill@Celestial.COM Bill Campbell; Celestial Software UUCP: uunet!camco!bill 8545 SE 68th Street FAX: (206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040; (206) 947-5591 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Aug 26 23:49:55 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA14431; Thu, 26 Aug 93 23:49:55 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA09423; Thu, 26 Aug 93 23:38:54 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from digi.syd.deg.CSIRO.AU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA09417; Thu, 26 Aug 93 23:38:50 -0700 Received: by digi.syd.deg.csiro.au id AA07752 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Fri, 27 Aug 1993 16:41:10 +1000 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1993 16:31:17 +1000 (EST) From: Jack Churchill Subject: Re: "Reply-to" To: bill@celestial.com Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 26 Aug 1993, Bill Campbell wrote: > > > > On Thu, 26 Aug 1993, Terry Gray wrote: > >..... > > My instant recommendation on such matters is to fix the problem at the > > sendmail end and not at the user agent end, and use IDA sendmail. > > Although IDA is not intuative to install, once it is and you understand > > its "language" it is a very nice and easy system for doing the above. For > > example, a user named joe at a machine called blah.cs.washington.edu can > > have his header *AND* his envolope "From" address mapped to say > > Joe.Trumpet@u.washington.edu. > > > This doesn't address the problem I have here. I use several > different logins on my systems here and would like e-mail replies > to come back to a single login. Reply-To: handles this very > nicely. This is the job of the MUA (Mail User Agent), not the > MTA (Mail Transport Agent). Typically it requires action by the > system administrator to do things in the MTA while the users can > do the MUA stuff themselves. The environment you work in certainly can make a difference. IDA can do what you want and more. It can set the same return address for different users on not only the same machine but different ones on your local area network or domain. It all depends on how easy it is to get the system manager to keep changing the settings. That's all. By all means let pine do some of the work that IDA can do but just keep in mind that other solutions do already exist. Jack N. Churchill | Jack.Churchill@dem.csiro.au CSIRO Division of Exploration and Mining | churchill@decus.com.au PO Box 136 North Ryde NSW 2113 | Phone: +61 2 887 8884 Australia | Fax: +61 2 887 8921 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Aug 27 05:43:30 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA20426; Fri, 27 Aug 93 05:43:30 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA09628; Fri, 27 Aug 93 05:31:15 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from seq.cms.uncwil.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA09622; Fri, 27 Aug 93 05:31:11 -0700 Received: from rdp1.UUCP by seq.cms.uncwil.edu with UUCP id AA29743 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for cac.washington.edu!pine-info); Fri, 27 Aug 1993 08:31:05 -0400 Message-Id: <199308271231.AA29743@seq.cms.uncwil.edu> Subject: requesting pine info To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Date: Fri, 27 Aug 93 8:33:14 EDT From: Tony Klein X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 199 Please send me any information you have on Pine... we are looking to put together an e-mail system for fairly stupid users that are computer illiterate. Thanks, Tony rdp1!klein@seq.cms.uncwil.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Aug 27 06:11:40 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA20882; Fri, 27 Aug 93 06:11:40 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA10765; Fri, 27 Aug 93 05:59:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from sunyit.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA10759; Fri, 27 Aug 93 05:59:14 -0700 Received: by sunyit.edu (5.57/3.1.091691-SUNY -- Inst. of Tech.) id AA17475; Fri, 27 Aug 93 08:59:07 -0400 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1993 08:57:09 -0400 (EDT) From: James Douglas Subject: Re: requesting pine info To: Tony Klein Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <199308271231.AA29743@seq.cms.uncwil.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I also need a "User Guide" rather than the tech-notes for the many less knowledgeable computer users. Thanks, Jim D. On Fri, 27 Aug 1993, Tony Klein wrote: > Please send me any information you have on Pine... we are looking to put > together an e-mail system for fairly stupid users that are computer illiterate. > > Thanks, > Tony > > rdp1!klein@seq.cms.uncwil.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Aug 27 12:39:39 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA01959; Fri, 27 Aug 93 12:39:39 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA15351; Fri, 27 Aug 93 12:27:56 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from peacock.uwaterloo.ca by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA15345; Fri, 27 Aug 93 12:27:52 -0700 Received: by peacock.uwaterloo.ca id <50173>; Fri, 27 Aug 1993 15:27:42 -0400 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1993 15:24:11 -0400 From: "Sunjay T. Bedi" Subject: Pine running on Alpha To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Will the new version of pine run on a DEC (ALPHA) OSF/1 V1.2 Worksystem Software (Rev. 10)? If not, has anyone on the net ported pine 3.07 to the alpha machines? ========================================================= Sunjay T. Bedi, (519)888-4567, ext. 5297 /\ /\ stbedi@peacock.uwaterloo.ca / \ / \ University of Waterloo /____\/____\ ========================================================= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Aug 27 13:08:26 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA02946; Fri, 27 Aug 93 13:08:26 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA15783; Fri, 27 Aug 93 12:58:57 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA15777; Fri, 27 Aug 93 12:58:55 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA06799; Fri, 27 Aug 93 12:58:48 -0700 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1993 12:56:07 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Pine running on Alpha To: "Sunjay T. Bedi" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Yes, Pine 3.85 will include a port for DEC ALPHA OSF/1 V1.2. We don't use ALPHA's in a production environment here so it has not been tested all that thoroughly, but it will be in there. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 27 Aug 1993, Sunjay T. Bedi wrote: > > Will the new version of pine run on a DEC (ALPHA) OSF/1 V1.2 Worksystem > Software (Rev. 10)? > > If not, has anyone on the net ported pine 3.07 to the alpha machines? > > ========================================================= > Sunjay T. Bedi, (519)888-4567, ext. 5297 /\ /\ > stbedi@peacock.uwaterloo.ca / \ / \ > University of Waterloo /____\/____\ > ========================================================= > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Aug 27 13:41:38 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA03854; Fri, 27 Aug 93 13:41:38 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA12893; Fri, 27 Aug 93 13:30:26 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mhc.mtholyoke.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA12887; Fri, 27 Aug 93 13:30:24 -0700 Received: by mhc.mtholyoke.edu (5.57/Ultrix4.2a_930410.01) id AA08082; Fri, 27 Aug 93 16:30:22 -0400 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1993 16:28:44 -0400 (EDT) From: "Michael A. Crowley" Subject: Re: Pine running on Alpha To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 27 Aug 1993, David L Miller wrote: > > Yes, Pine 3.85 will include a port for DEC ALPHA OSF/1 V1.2. We don't > use ALPHA's in a production environment here so it has not been tested > all that thoroughly, but it will be in there. Has anyone tried taking an Ultrix compiled pine and using mx on it to make an alpha osf/1 version? -mike From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Aug 27 15:01:55 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA06102; Fri, 27 Aug 93 15:01:55 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA17513; Fri, 27 Aug 93 14:51:51 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA17507; Fri, 27 Aug 93 14:51:50 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA10124; Fri, 27 Aug 93 14:51:47 -0700 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1993 14:50:38 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Pine running on Alpha To: "Michael A. Crowley" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well, I suppose it might work, but why not just wait a couple weeks for the real thing? |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 27 Aug 1993, Michael A. Crowley wrote: > On Fri, 27 Aug 1993, David L Miller wrote: > > > > > Yes, Pine 3.85 will include a port for DEC ALPHA OSF/1 V1.2. We don't > > use ALPHA's in a production environment here so it has not been tested > > all that thoroughly, but it will be in there. > > Has anyone tried taking an Ultrix compiled pine and using mx on it > to make an alpha osf/1 version? > > -mike > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Aug 28 13:44:28 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA23407; Sat, 28 Aug 93 13:44:28 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA17829; Sat, 28 Aug 93 13:36:57 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from eng.tau.ac.il by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA17825; Sat, 28 Aug 93 13:36:50 -0700 Return-Path: Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1993 23:35:55 +0200 (GMT+0200) From: OFER Lapid 4X6OJ Subject: Re: unsubscribe Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I would like to be removed from this list too. Thanks -- Ofer Lapid 4X6OJ E-mail: ofer@eng.tau.ac.il From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Aug 30 21:40:57 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA12726; Mon, 30 Aug 93 21:40:57 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA29259; Mon, 30 Aug 93 21:30:22 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from first.etc.bc.ca by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA29253; Mon, 30 Aug 93 21:30:19 -0700 From: lspraggs@first.etc.bc.ca Received: by first.etc.bc.ca (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA16324; Mon, 30 Aug 93 21:25:16 -0700 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1993 21:38:03 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <77888.lspraggs@[142.23.2.21]> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Please unsubscribe Please unsubscribe lspraggs@first.etc.bc.ca L. D. Spraggs FAX: (604) 542-3695 TEL: (604) 542-0112 lspraggs@first.etc.bc.ca From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Aug 31 02:04:07 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA16589; Tue, 31 Aug 93 02:04:07 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA17698; Tue, 31 Aug 93 01:50:54 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA17692; Tue, 31 Aug 93 01:50:52 -0700 Message-Id: <9308310850.AA17692@mx1.cac.washington.edu> Received: from 134.225.35.2 by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <19981-0@oxmail.ox.ac.uk>; Tue, 31 Aug 1993 09:50:36 +0100 X-Sender: suqroch@suma1.rdg.ac.uk (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: Eudora 1.3 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1993 09:50:52 +0100 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: D.M.Roch@rdg.ac.uk (Mike Roch) Subject: Additional feature for novices I'm very much in sympathy with the "keep it simple" philosophy of Pine; adding lots of power options is probably going to benefit relatively few users who could usually get those features elsewhere anyway. Having said that, I'd like to suggest a feature that would benefit novice users and system administrators alike. You know the "Move sent-mail to sent-mail-aug93?" feature? Could I suggest that "Move inbox to inbox-aug93" would be much more beneficial? Several correspondents have sought tools for managing overlarge mailboxes in the mail spool. The problem is usually caused by novices who don't appreciate that subscribing to lots of lists (and forgetting how to use "unsubscribe"), mailing themselves binaries from gopher servers, or simlply keeping al their mail together rather than filing it in folders has an impact on other users (or the whole system). The trouble with the tools available is _by_definition_ the users who need them can't use them - and these same users are Pine's target group. At the moment our sysadmins find oversize mailboxes, move them to home directories and compress them. The mail is recoverable by users of course, but the prime offenders/victims tend to be pretty traumatised by this. I think that Pine should offer something here and adding (or even substituting) the feature above would help a great deal. The existing feature is nice but only renames a file in the user's mail folder - it has no general benefit. Mike ================================================================== Mike Roch, Computer Services Centre, Tel: 0734 318430 The University, Reading, RG6 2AF, UK Fax: 0734 753094 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Aug 31 08:42:42 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA22894; Tue, 31 Aug 93 08:42:42 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA01796; Tue, 31 Aug 93 08:32:08 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mach1.wlu.ca by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA01790; Tue, 31 Aug 93 08:32:06 -0700 Received: by mach1.wlu.ca (5.65/1.35) id AA20048; Tue, 31 Aug 93 11:31:10 -0400 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1993 11:28:02 -0300 (EDT) From: bob ellsworth s Subject: inbox folder To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Cc: ron craig F Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII hi : we have observed that "pine" will not move a message from a generic folder to the "inbox" folder. when we attempt this, pine says the "message is saved and marked for deletion" but the message never shows up in "inbox". can anyone on the list comment on this. (we are currently running pine 3.05) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Aug 31 10:33:05 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA26099; Tue, 31 Aug 93 10:33:05 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA02404; Tue, 31 Aug 93 10:20:30 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from [156.12.23.1] by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA02398; Tue, 31 Aug 93 10:20:28 -0700 Received: by acad.csv.kutztown.edu.csv.kutztown.edu (5.61/1.35) id AA02861; Tue, 31 Aug 93 13:21:06 -0400 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1993 13:20:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "James D. Gillmore" Reply-To: "James D. Gillmore" Subject: Just another suggestion To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII I would like to suggest that in some future release a mechanism be in place that allows mail bounced for bad address (user unknown, host unknown) to be resent with the corrected information. Many times it is a fat fingered typo and up to now I tell the users to save the message as a file edit off the mail stuff and then read the file into a new pine session. Or perhaps, someone has a better idea? I am open to suggestions to a better way ______________________________________________________________________________ Jim Gillmore E-mail gillmore@acad.csv.kutztown.edu Manager Network Services VOICE 215.683.4199 Kutztown University of PA FAX 215.683.4634 LMS Annex Room 105 HOME 717.865.5820 Holidays & Weekends 717.567.3931 It is not a mistake until you repeat it! ______________________________________________________________________________ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Aug 31 11:21:28 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA27606; Tue, 31 Aug 93 11:21:28 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA23222; Tue, 31 Aug 93 11:10:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from class.class.org by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA23216; Tue, 31 Aug 93 11:10:16 -0700 Received: by class.class.org (4.1/CLASS-1.0) id AA06767; Tue, 31 Aug 93 11:11:48 PDT Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1993 11:10:37 -0700 (PDT) From: ABC News Subject: please unsubscribe To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Please unsubscribe abcberna@class.org. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Aug 31 11:25:01 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA27699; Tue, 31 Aug 93 11:25:01 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA02709; Tue, 31 Aug 93 11:14:59 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from EMPIRE.CCE.CORNELL.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA02703; Tue, 31 Aug 93 11:14:57 -0700 Received: by cce.cornell.edu (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0oXaFC-0001NeC; Tue, 31 Aug 93 14:15 EDT Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1993 14:14:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Ron Pool Subject: Re: Just another suggestion To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 31 Aug 1993, James D. Gillmore wrote: > I would like to suggest that in some future release a mechanism be in > place that allows mail bounced for bad address (user unknown, host > unknown) to be resent with the corrected information. Many times it is a > fat fingered typo and up to now I tell the users to save the message as a > file edit off the mail stuff and then read the file into a new pine session. > Or perhaps, someone has a better idea? I am open to suggestions to a > better way What I do in these cases is forward the message to the new address and edit it on-screen to get rid of the bounce information I don't want. I don't see why saving it in an intermediate file would be easier or better. -- Ron Pool; Electronic Technology Group; B-15 Wing Hall; Ithaca, NY 14853 Internet: ron@cce.cornell.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Aug 31 11:43:11 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA28537; Tue, 31 Aug 93 11:43:11 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA23617; Tue, 31 Aug 93 11:33:30 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from stein.u.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA23607; Tue, 31 Aug 93 11:33:28 -0700 Received: by stein2.u.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA00552; Tue, 31 Aug 93 11:33:07 -0700 X-Sender: mramey@stein2.u.washington.edu Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1993 11:29:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Ramey Subject: Re: Just another suggestion To: "James D. Gillmore" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=us-ascii I use the F[orward] command; then use the pine composer to ^K [delete-line] and ^U [undelete-line] and ^D [delete-character]; thus moving the address up into the header, and removing all the error messages; then send the reconstituted message on its way. --Mike Ramey 685-0940 Wilcox-171 U-W Civil Eng FX-10 Seattle WA 98195. On Tue, 31 Aug 1993, James D. Gillmore wrote: > I would like to suggest that in some future release a mechanism be in > place that allows mail bounced for bad address (user unknown, host > unknown) to be resent with the corrected information. Many times it is a > fat fingered typo and up to now I tell the users to save the message as a > file edit off the mail stuff and then read the file into a new pine session. > Or perhaps, someone has a better idea? I am open to suggestions to a > better way From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Aug 31 13:38:26 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA01890; Tue, 31 Aug 93 13:38:26 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA03398; Tue, 31 Aug 93 13:28:40 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from xanth.CS.ORST.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA03392; Tue, 31 Aug 93 13:28:38 -0700 Received: from mundania.CS.ORST.EDU by instruction.CS.ORST.EDU (1.37.109.4/1.35) id AA10112; Tue, 31 Aug 93 13:25:41 -0700 Received: by mundania.CS.ORST.EDU (1.37.109.4/CS-Client) id AA18539; Tue, 31 Aug 93 13:30:39 -0700 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1993 13:28:43 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jason R. Thorpe" Subject: Re: Just another suggestion To: "James D. Gillmore" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 31 Aug 1993, James D. Gillmore wrote: > I would like to suggest that in some future release a mechanism be in > place that allows mail bounced for bad address (user unknown, host > unknown) to be resent with the corrected information. Many times it is a > fat fingered typo and up to now I tell the users to save the message as a > file edit off the mail stuff and then read the file into a new pine session. > Or perhaps, someone has a better idea? I am open to suggestions to a > better way I just forward it to the correct address and hack out all the unnecessaries, like the old mail stuff, right there (as well as the (fwd) in the header...) Later... /***************************************************************************** Jason R. Thorpe - OSU Computer Science Support Staff Bellnet: (503) 623-8514 Internet: thorpej@prism.cs.orst.edu *****************************************************************************/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Aug 31 15:47:32 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA05455; Tue, 31 Aug 93 15:47:32 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA27585; Tue, 31 Aug 93 15:36:48 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA27579; Tue, 31 Aug 93 15:36:45 -0700 Received: from monera.newcastle.ac.uk (monera.ncl.ac.uk) by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (5.65cVUW/NCL-CMA.1.35 for ) with SMTP; Tue, 31 Aug 1993 23:36:42 +0100 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1993 23:32:01 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Ward Subject: Re: Additional feature for novices To: Mike Roch Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <9308310850.AA17692@mx1.cac.washington.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I like the system in which the inbox only contains new and/or unread mail - mail which has been read moves to mbox in the users home/mail directory as previous mail. Alan Ward Alan.Ward@newcastle.ac.uk Department of Microbiology Medical School University of Newcastle upon Tyne NE2 4HH On Tue, 31 Aug 1993, Mike Roch wrote: > I'm very much in sympathy with the "keep it simple" philosophy of Pine; > adding lots of power options is probably going to benefit relatively few > users who could usually get those features elsewhere anyway. > > Having said that, I'd like to suggest a feature that would benefit novice > users and system administrators alike. You know the "Move sent-mail to > sent-mail-aug93?" feature? Could I suggest that "Move inbox to inbox-aug93" > would be much more beneficial? > > Several correspondents have sought tools for managing overlarge mailboxes > in the mail spool. The problem is usually caused by novices who don't > appreciate that subscribing to lots of lists (and forgetting how to use > "unsubscribe"), mailing themselves binaries from gopher servers, or simlply > keeping al their mail together rather than filing it in folders has an > impact on other users (or the whole system). > > The trouble with the tools available is _by_definition_ the users who need > them can't use them - and these same users are Pine's target group. At the > moment our sysadmins find oversize mailboxes, move them to home directories > and compress them. The mail is recoverable by users of course, but the > prime offenders/victims tend to be pretty traumatised by this. > > I think that Pine should offer something here and adding (or even > substituting) the feature above would help a great deal. The existing > feature is nice but only renames a file in the user's mail folder - it has > no general benefit. > > Mike > > > > ================================================================== > Mike Roch, Computer Services Centre, Tel: 0734 318430 > The University, Reading, RG6 2AF, UK Fax: 0734 753094 > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Aug 31 16:45:28 1993 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA07560; Tue, 31 Aug 93 16:45:28 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA04340; Tue, 31 Aug 93 16:32:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ericir.syr.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA04334; Tue, 31 Aug 93 16:32:19 -0700 Received: by ericir.syr.edu (NX5.67d/NX3.0M) id AA06017; Tue, 31 Aug 93 19:27:45 -0400 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1993 19:22:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Virtual Dave Lankes Subject: Re: Additional feature for novices To: Alan Ward Cc: Mike Roch , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII NO! Please no. While I admit for administrative purposes this makes sense, it does not fit into Pine. Users are used to the "pile of mail" approach...both expert and novice. They like working from a central store and pruning. Also, having been a victim of NeXTMail that already does this, it creates nightmares for working in a distributed environment. If you are used to IMAP clients, moving from one computer to another, or even shared mail between accouts this is the worst thing possible. You end up with the old POP dilema of messages and mail on twenty computers all over the place. One of the features of PINE I love is the use of the Post Office as inbox rather than displacing mail. On Tue, 31 Aug 1993, Alan Ward wrote: > I like the system in which the inbox only contains new and/or unread mail > - mail which has been read moves to mbox in the users home/mail directory > as previous mail. > > Alan Ward > > Alan.Ward@newcastle.ac.uk Department of Microbiology > Medical School > University of Newcastle upon Tyne NE2 4HH ..................................................... : "Virtual" Dave Lankes rdlankes@ericir.syr.edu : : AskERIC Consultant <--SPIN--> EGIS Coordinator : : School of Information Studies,Syracuse University : ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Aug 31 17:07:47 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA08377; Tue, 31 Aug 93 17:07:47 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA29064; Tue, 31 Aug 93 16:59:12 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from stein.u.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA29058; Tue, 31 Aug 93 16:59:11 -0700 Received: by stein1.u.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA24724; Tue, 31 Aug 93 16:59:10 -0700 X-Sender: mramey@stein1.u.washington.edu Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1993 16:57:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Ramey Subject: Show folder on printed messages ? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=us-ascii Is there any interest in showing the folder name on printed messages? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Aug 31 17:32:33 1993 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA08773; Tue, 31 Aug 93 17:32:33 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA29412; Tue, 31 Aug 93 17:23:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id AA29406; Tue, 31 Aug 93 17:23:48 -0700 Received: from monera.newcastle.ac.uk (monera.ncl.ac.uk) by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (5.65cVUW/NCL-CMA.1.35 for ) with SMTP; Wed, 1 Sep 1993 01:23:44 +0100 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1993 01:20:59 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Ward Reply-To: Alan Ward Subject: Re: Additional feature for novices To: Virtual Dave Lankes Cc: Alan Ward , Mike Roch , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Tue, 31 Aug 1993, Virtual Dave Lankes wrote: > On Tue, 31 Aug 1993, Alan Ward wrote: > > > I like the system in which the inbox only contains new and/or unread mail > > - mail which has been read moves to mbox in the users home/mail directory > > as previous mail. > NO! Please no. While I admit for administrative purposes this makes sense, > it does not fit into Pine. Users are used to the "pile of mail" > approach...both expert and novice. They like working from a central store > and pruning. Pruning - now that really does make your mail inaccessible! If you get mail you have to manage it. Pine does it with sent-mail .. (pity it is the 1st question new users get asked). I quite often get told by users that mail has been lost (mail they have read) - but they have deleted it, because that is what pine encourages. > Also, having been a victim of NeXTMail that already does this, it creates > nightmares for working in a distributed environment. If you are used to > IMAP clients, moving from one computer to another, or even shared mail > between accouts this is the worst thing possible. You end up with the old > POP dilema of messages and mail on twenty computers all over the place. One of > the features of PINE I love is the use of the Post Office as inbox rather > than displacing mail. I don't know the technical problems but I think IMAP should manage mail folders not just the inbox. I am just as likely to want access to the mail message I sent in reply as the previous mail message I received. Thanks Alan Ward Alan.Ward@newcastle.ac.uk Department of Microbiology Medical School University of Newcastle upon Tyne NE2 4HH